WEBVTT - 'FRIENDS' STAR MATTHEW PERRY'S SISTERS BLAST 'FRIEND' WHO 'INJECTED' HIM & LEFT 0:00:00.880 --> 0:00:02.840 Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 0:00:07.280 --> 0:00:12.960 Friends Star, TV and movie Icon, Matthew Perry's sisters blast 0:00:13.880 --> 0:00:20.640 Perry's assistant, who, they say, quote repeatedly injected him with ketamine, 0:00:21.360 --> 0:00:26.640 leaving him in a hot tub to die. I'm Nancy Grace, 0:00:26.760 --> 0:00:28.840 this is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for 0:00:28.960 --> 0:00:33.760 being with us. That's right. Matthew Perry's sisters call out 0:00:34.479 --> 0:00:40.760 Perry's assistant Kenny Iwamasa for quote, repeatedly injecting him with 0:00:40.920 --> 0:00:44.440 ketamine that turned deadly on the day the Friends star 0:00:45.040 --> 0:00:49.479 died in his own hot tub. According to Madeline Morrison, 0:00:49.640 --> 0:00:53.479 Perry's sister, quote he injected my brother with a lethal 0:00:53.560 --> 0:00:55.920 dose of ketamine and left him in a hot tub 0:00:56.000 --> 0:00:59.800 to die. She goes on, it's difficult to put into 0:00:59.800 --> 0:01:03.400 words a sense of betrayal I felt when I found 0:01:03.440 --> 0:01:09.120 out what Kenney had done. These are, according to court filings, 0:01:09.920 --> 0:01:11.959 what happened to Matthew Perry. 0:01:12.360 --> 0:01:15.479 Let me start with the nine to one one call. 0:01:15.600 --> 0:01:17.959 Listen twenty three twenty three. 0:01:20.959 --> 0:01:24.759 A twenty three and radio in part of the drowning 0:01:26.040 --> 0:01:29.680 across the few drives. That's a twenty twenty three ms N. 0:01:32.120 --> 0:01:36.000 You can't tell a lot, but I learned something significant. 0:01:36.080 --> 0:01:37.080 Let's hear that one more time. 0:01:37.120 --> 0:01:45.160 Said twenty three ms N twenty three and radio in 0:01:45.280 --> 0:01:49.160 one of the drowning across the few drives. That's a 0:01:49.160 --> 0:01:50.800 twenty three twenty three MS. 0:01:53.200 --> 0:01:56.240 Now, some of those numbers are universal. Sometimes you hear 0:01:56.360 --> 0:02:00.960 numbers across a police ban or on an ema that 0:02:01.040 --> 0:02:06.640 are specific to that region. But what I'm hearing that 0:02:06.680 --> 0:02:09.680 really jumps out at me is response to the drowning. 0:02:11.000 --> 0:02:14.840 So at the beginning, it was believed that the friends 0:02:14.960 --> 0:02:20.280 start died of drowning because that's what was reported to them. 0:02:20.919 --> 0:02:24.200 But what do we really know? Take a listen to 0:02:24.200 --> 0:02:25.480 our friends at crime online. 0:02:25.520 --> 0:02:28.919 The Los Angeles Medical Examiner determined that fifty four year 0:02:28.919 --> 0:02:32.720 old Matthew Perry died from the acute effects of ketamine. 0:02:33.200 --> 0:02:38.000 Other contributing factors listed were drowning, coronary artery disease, and 0:02:38.040 --> 0:02:42.360 the effects of buprenorphine. Buprenorphine is used to treat opioid 0:02:42.440 --> 0:02:45.799 use disorder. The manner of death has been ruled an accident. 0:02:46.080 --> 0:02:50.320 Okay, see, I'm a trial lawyer, and that is why 0:02:50.600 --> 0:02:53.680 the medical examiners and everybody at the crime lab would 0:02:53.680 --> 0:02:56.519 go hide under their desk when they saw my beat 0:02:56.600 --> 0:03:00.239 up Honda pulling up because they knew as going to 0:03:00.320 --> 0:03:04.840 go through it line by line literally to make sense 0:03:05.360 --> 0:03:08.839 of what they wrote down in their scientific findings. What 0:03:09.320 --> 0:03:14.320 acute effects of ketamine. Other contributing factors were drowning, coronary 0:03:14.480 --> 0:03:20.240 artery disease, be prefer blue blo used to treat opioid disorder, 0:03:20.960 --> 0:03:25.200 manner of death, accident. There's so much there. I could 0:03:25.240 --> 0:03:28.000 do a whole flow chart on that to try to 0:03:28.040 --> 0:03:31.720 explain all that to a jury. Luckily we have experts 0:03:31.760 --> 0:03:33.320 with us. But first I'm going to go to a 0:03:33.320 --> 0:03:37.200 special guest joining us, Miguel Melndez joining us, senior writer 0:03:37.360 --> 0:03:41.840 for E t Entertainment tonight. Miguel, what a pleasure to 0:03:41.880 --> 0:03:45.360 have you on. Man. This sent shock waves through not 0:03:45.400 --> 0:03:48.320 only Hollywood, but across our country. Because I'm gonna follow 0:03:48.360 --> 0:03:51.480 this up with our shrink, Karen Stark. We think we 0:03:51.600 --> 0:03:54.720 know Matthew Perry. Why because we've seen him on the 0:03:54.760 --> 0:03:57.440 big screen, we've seen him on the little screen. We 0:03:57.600 --> 0:04:00.240 follow him in the tabloids. We think we know him 0:04:00.320 --> 0:04:04.360 and about his life. We've been following his struggle with addiction, 0:04:05.000 --> 0:04:08.119 and a lot of people can identify with that. If 0:04:08.120 --> 0:04:11.440 you haven't had that struggle in somebody, you know, somebody 0:04:11.440 --> 0:04:16.800 close to you has had that struggle. So Matthew Perry 0:04:16.960 --> 0:04:19.960 was kind of like every man that was struggling with 0:04:20.160 --> 0:04:24.080 a lot. But to you, Miguel Melendez, I want to 0:04:24.120 --> 0:04:26.640 go before I get into Matthew Perry himself and how 0:04:26.760 --> 0:04:29.320 it ended up this way, I want to talk to 0:04:29.360 --> 0:04:35.080 you about what happened, what surrounded the discovery of Matthew 0:04:35.120 --> 0:04:38.960 Perry dead in a hot tub leading up to that. 0:04:39.279 --> 0:04:42.839 Tell me about the discovery and what came out at 0:04:42.839 --> 0:04:45.680 the time that he was first discovered dead in the 0:04:45.680 --> 0:04:46.200 hot tub. 0:04:46.440 --> 0:04:48.080 Right, So what we know the timeline is that at 0:04:48.120 --> 0:04:51.599 eleven AM, Matthew have played pickleball. At one thirty seven 0:04:51.640 --> 0:04:54.080 PM is when Matthew was last known to be alive 0:04:54.200 --> 0:04:56.880 by his personal living assistant to live with him in 0:04:56.960 --> 0:05:00.240 the Pacific Policy home. He was ought to run aaron. 0:05:00.320 --> 0:05:03.920 At one thirty seven pm, the living assistant returned home 0:05:03.960 --> 0:05:07.320 and found Matthew floating face down in the jacuzzi. The 0:05:07.400 --> 0:05:10.520 assistant jumped into the pool, moved Matthew into the sitting 0:05:10.520 --> 0:05:13.120 position on the steps of the pool, and found him 0:05:13.160 --> 0:05:15.200 by the way on the heated side of the pool, 0:05:15.520 --> 0:05:18.800 called nine one one. Paramedics arrived and they moved and 0:05:18.800 --> 0:05:20.279 they pulled Matthew out of the pos. 0:05:20.279 --> 0:05:23.480 Okay, hold on, Miguel, You're giving me so much information 0:05:23.760 --> 0:05:26.520 so quickly. I'm drinking from the fire hydrate because Miguel, 0:05:26.560 --> 0:05:29.680 you know, I like to dissect every single sentence, and 0:05:29.720 --> 0:05:33.960 I loved everything you just said as far as factually 0:05:34.279 --> 0:05:38.279 what I'm learning. Could you say it again and very slowly? Okay? 0:05:38.320 --> 0:05:40.640 Did you say the living assistant found him? 0:05:40.839 --> 0:05:41.080 Yes? 0:05:41.200 --> 0:05:44.880 Okay. Why did Matthew Perry have a live and assistant? 0:05:45.400 --> 0:05:47.440 That I can answer you, Nancy. I don't know the 0:05:47.480 --> 0:05:51.480 exact circumstances of what led to that. I do know 0:05:51.560 --> 0:05:54.160 that the living assistant, based on this report, is that 0:05:54.200 --> 0:05:59.640 he administered the the the detox drugs on Matthew twice 0:05:59.680 --> 0:06:00.200 a day. 0:06:00.360 --> 0:06:03.679 That's important. Miguel Melendez, Hold on, Miguel, hold the thought. 0:06:03.880 --> 0:06:07.040 Guys with me. He's a senior writer for entertainment tonight. 0:06:07.720 --> 0:06:10.800 You all know him. Miguel Melndez giving us everything we 0:06:10.880 --> 0:06:16.680 need to know to analyze this drug ketamine that claimed 0:06:16.680 --> 0:06:20.479 the life of Matthew Perry. Karen el start joining me. 0:06:21.000 --> 0:06:25.520 Renowned TV radio trauma expert at Karenstark dot com. Karen 0:06:25.560 --> 0:06:28.400 with the c if you're trying to find her, Karen, So, 0:06:29.120 --> 0:06:33.159 is it like a minder you have with AA that. 0:06:33.880 --> 0:06:35.720 I don't think they call it a minder. They call 0:06:35.760 --> 0:06:38.920 it something else, someone that checks in on you. It's 0:06:38.960 --> 0:06:42.160 like your partner, your buddy, that kind of that's who 0:06:42.200 --> 0:06:44.520 you call when you have a problem or you're going 0:06:44.560 --> 0:06:48.080 to relapse. Is that what you think is happening here? 0:06:48.120 --> 0:06:49.640 He had somebody to help him. 0:06:49.760 --> 0:06:56.000 It's called a sponsor. And his assistant she was his sponsor. 0:06:56.160 --> 0:06:59.760 She was his minder, as you said, Nancy, So she 0:07:00.120 --> 0:07:03.359 was there. She could not stop him from taking something, 0:07:03.440 --> 0:07:07.760 but certainly was trying. That was her role to make 0:07:07.800 --> 0:07:10.400 sure that he was on the straight and narrow and 0:07:10.760 --> 0:07:15.320 sticking to his determination to stop. And he was very 0:07:15.360 --> 0:07:18.600 open about it. But he really did want to stop 0:07:18.720 --> 0:07:21.080 taking drugs recreationally. 0:07:21.200 --> 0:07:25.040 He really did, and he made no secret about it. 0:07:25.640 --> 0:07:30.360 What led up to that moment Miguel Melndez is describing. 0:07:31.560 --> 0:07:35.680 But first again, Miguel, could you tell me the assistant 0:07:35.720 --> 0:07:38.880 comes in? You said he was near the heater end 0:07:38.920 --> 0:07:39.680 of the hot tub. 0:07:39.800 --> 0:07:42.600 Correct, So at four PM. The living assistant walks in 0:07:43.240 --> 0:07:47.080 from a running errands finds Matthew Perry floating space down 0:07:47.800 --> 0:07:50.080 into jacuzzi in the heated end. 0:07:49.920 --> 0:07:50.760 Of the pool. 0:07:51.040 --> 0:07:54.560 The assistant jumped into the pool, moved Matthew into the 0:07:54.640 --> 0:07:57.720 sitting position on the steps of the pool, and called 0:07:57.800 --> 0:08:01.640 nine to one one. Paramedics Soon ve pulled Matthew out 0:08:01.640 --> 0:08:04.640 of the pool onto the grass, where he was pronounced 0:08:04.680 --> 0:08:06.080 that at the scene, you know, I think. 0:08:05.920 --> 0:08:08.920 I had at bass akwors migam Melendez. I was saying 0:08:09.120 --> 0:08:14.800 hot tub because I've read jacuzzie. But was the jacuzi 0:08:14.920 --> 0:08:17.560 or the hot tub part of the pool? Was he 0:08:17.640 --> 0:08:20.080 in a pool or was he in a hot tub 0:08:20.160 --> 0:08:20.720 or jacuzi? 0:08:21.000 --> 0:08:22.920 It looked like it was a long pool that has 0:08:23.040 --> 0:08:25.840 a jacuzi in it. If they're not two separate. 0:08:26.280 --> 0:08:30.640 Okay, that makes perfect sense. Okay, guys, what led up 0:08:30.960 --> 0:08:35.400 to this moment? Take a listen to our friend Nicole Parton. 0:08:35.800 --> 0:08:38.240 Matthew Perry went to his country club to play a 0:08:38.240 --> 0:08:42.280 game of pickleball with friends around eleven am. Perry returned 0:08:42.320 --> 0:08:44.719 to his home after the game and was seen by 0:08:44.720 --> 0:08:47.319 his assistant, who was leaving the house to run Errand's 0:08:47.440 --> 0:08:50.880 at one thirty seven PM. At four o'clock PM, the 0:08:50.920 --> 0:08:54.920 assistant returned to the home. Investigator Jennifer Hertzog says the 0:08:54.960 --> 0:08:58.360 assistant found Perry floating face down in the heated end 0:08:58.400 --> 0:09:01.040 of the pool. The assistant jumped into the pool and 0:09:01.120 --> 0:09:03.920 moved him into a sitting position on the steps and 0:09:04.000 --> 0:09:08.240 called nine to one one. Paramedics responded, pulled Perry out 0:09:08.280 --> 0:09:10.920 of the pool and onto the grass, and pronounced him 0:09:10.960 --> 0:09:15.120 dead on the scene at four seventeen PM. His stepfather, 0:09:15.320 --> 0:09:18.960 Keith Morrison is listed as the informant, which means the 0:09:19.040 --> 0:09:22.440 dateline host is who identified Perry to authorities. 0:09:22.640 --> 0:09:25.680 Oh my goodness, that must have been so horrible on 0:09:25.760 --> 0:09:28.679 the stepfather to have to do that after the struggle 0:09:29.040 --> 0:09:33.959 he Matthew Perry went through so publicly against substance abuse. 0:09:34.120 --> 0:09:37.840 Mike McCormick joining me out of LA owner lead investigator 0:09:38.080 --> 0:09:42.600 MCM Investigations, Mike McCormick, thank you for being with us. 0:09:42.880 --> 0:09:47.480 I'm very curious Matthew Perry had been so open and 0:09:47.600 --> 0:09:53.640 public about his battle with addiction. Who I mean, even 0:09:53.800 --> 0:09:57.560 I know about that two thousand miles away, who would 0:09:57.559 --> 0:10:02.079 be supplying him dru ketamine and all the other things 0:10:02.080 --> 0:10:02.840 in his system. 0:10:03.520 --> 0:10:07.880 It was either prescribed to him that Kennedy was prescribed, 0:10:08.040 --> 0:10:10.480 or he's getting it off the street. There's only several 0:10:10.520 --> 0:10:16.560 ways of doing it. My understanding is that the frum 0:10:16.640 --> 0:10:23.000 he's a assistant or past girlfriend miss edwards that she's 0:10:23.000 --> 0:10:25.760 been involved with him off and on from about two 0:10:25.800 --> 0:10:29.360 thousand and six, and she used to purchase his drugs 0:10:29.400 --> 0:10:35.680 off the street for him. So the ketnamine and other 0:10:38.080 --> 0:10:41.200 drugs he may have been taking could come from e 0:10:41.280 --> 0:10:42.160 their source. 0:10:48.320 --> 0:10:55.440 Crime stores with Nancy Gray, Friends of superstar Matthew Perry 0:10:55.679 --> 0:11:00.440 is dead and seemingly everyone involved in his death is 0:11:00.480 --> 0:11:05.520 getting slaps on the wrist. The so called assistant, Ewa 0:11:05.600 --> 0:11:11.079 Masa allegedly lied to Perry's alums. The so called personal assistant, 0:11:11.120 --> 0:11:15.640 Ewa Massa allegedly lied to Matthew Perry's relatives about what 0:11:15.720 --> 0:11:19.560 happened the day Perry died in his Pacific Palisades home. 0:11:20.200 --> 0:11:23.600 Perry's sister Madeline says, quote, everything I believed about the 0:11:23.679 --> 0:11:28.160 day Matthew died, everything Ewa Masa told us was a lie. 0:11:28.960 --> 0:11:31.920 She went on the idea some one my brother considered 0:11:32.160 --> 0:11:36.440 family could betray him in such an unimaginable way. Is 0:11:36.480 --> 0:11:40.760 something I could never have conceived. Why is she so 0:11:40.960 --> 0:11:43.880 angry with facts like these? What sister wouldn't be? 0:11:44.240 --> 0:11:46.560 This is Wendy Patrick. It looks like the assistant that 0:11:46.559 --> 0:11:48.920 it was living with Matthew Perry at the time his 0:11:49.040 --> 0:11:54.920 death is a man named Kenny Alamsa right, not the prior. 0:11:55.040 --> 0:11:57.640 Not a prior girlfriend or a female assistant. 0:11:57.679 --> 0:12:00.720 You're right, Wendy Patrick. Guys, you're hearing californ a prosecutor 0:12:00.720 --> 0:12:04.400 and author of Why Bad Looks Good Wendy Patrick at 0:12:04.400 --> 0:12:08.760 wendypatrickphd dot com, The Star of Today with Dr Wendy 0:12:08.800 --> 0:12:11.640 on KCBQ. I was just coming to you, Wendy, on 0:12:11.720 --> 0:12:15.880 another point, a legal point, and that is I saw 0:12:15.960 --> 0:12:19.000 the trial go down. I don't know if you remember 0:12:19.200 --> 0:12:22.120 Archie Bunker of all in the Family YEA, when his 0:12:22.320 --> 0:12:27.320 son died of an overdose, he went after the supplier 0:12:28.400 --> 0:12:32.000 in the Fulton County courthouse. And I was just wondering, 0:12:32.040 --> 0:12:38.400 Wendy about people knowing about his public struggle against addiction. 0:12:39.240 --> 0:12:41.880 I mean, he wrote about it, he talked about it, 0:12:42.240 --> 0:12:47.880 very open about it. Who would supply someone battling addiction 0:12:48.480 --> 0:12:49.280 with drugs. 0:12:49.640 --> 0:12:51.800 It's a great question when you have when you're talking 0:12:51.840 --> 0:12:55.120 about somebody that's supposed to be a confidant, a sponsor, 0:12:55.160 --> 0:12:59.280 a helper, a minder. We have all these terminology, these 0:12:59.360 --> 0:13:02.040 terms that we It's very different than a Michael Jackson 0:13:02.120 --> 0:13:05.960 situation where you actually have somebody medically administering a drug. 0:13:06.320 --> 0:13:07.079 Who would do it? 0:13:07.120 --> 0:13:08.840 I would have to say, Nancy, as you and I 0:13:08.920 --> 0:13:11.640 and our listeners know the same people that are selling 0:13:11.880 --> 0:13:15.040 drugs to begin with, maybe somebody that doesn't know him 0:13:15.080 --> 0:13:18.920 well enough, or because it was prescribed lawfully for a 0:13:18.960 --> 0:13:23.920 medicinal purpose, somebody that honestly, although mistakenly thought that he 0:13:24.080 --> 0:13:27.720 needed it or could handle it in different doses. You know, Ketamine, 0:13:27.720 --> 0:13:31.199 if it's being as supervised, is used certainly, not very 0:13:31.320 --> 0:13:33.680 not as often as many other drugs. But you have 0:13:33.800 --> 0:13:36.200 to believe whether or not somebody thought they might be 0:13:36.240 --> 0:13:38.360 doing him a favor, if he was depressed, if he 0:13:38.480 --> 0:13:39.520 was dled. 0:13:39.520 --> 0:13:43.719 They could not have been more wrong. And if it 0:13:43.840 --> 0:13:47.480 comes out that we can find a supplier or someone 0:13:47.480 --> 0:13:48.920 who ate it or a bet at him, I want 0:13:48.920 --> 0:13:51.760 you to just think about this, Wendy Patrick, about criminal 0:13:52.200 --> 0:13:57.800 charges joining me right now? Is the expert in this 0:13:57.880 --> 0:14:01.400 field as far as I'm concerned, and the pre eminent 0:14:01.480 --> 0:14:09.160 expert doctor William Maroney, medical examiner, toxicologist, pathologist, opioid treatment expert, 0:14:09.520 --> 0:14:16.040 author of American Narcan, which is on Amazon. Doctor Moroney, 0:14:16.440 --> 0:14:19.280 take a listen to what we've learned about the autopsy. 0:14:19.520 --> 0:14:23.320 Matthew Perry's autopsy report doesn't say how or when Perry 0:14:23.400 --> 0:14:26.680 used ketamine prior to his death, but the coroner ruled 0:14:26.720 --> 0:14:28.840 out the ketamine treatments he had a week and a 0:14:28.920 --> 0:14:32.320 half before his death because ketamine has a half life 0:14:32.400 --> 0:14:35.880 of three to four hours or less. The report notes 0:14:35.960 --> 0:14:38.560 at the high levels of ketamine found in his post 0:14:38.640 --> 0:14:42.800 mortem blood specimens, the main lethal effects would be from 0:14:42.800 --> 0:14:49.240 both cardiovascular overstimulation and respiratory depression. Drowning contributes due to 0:14:49.320 --> 0:14:52.760 the likelihood of submersion into the pool as he lapsed 0:14:52.800 --> 0:14:54.360 into unconsciousness. 0:14:54.400 --> 0:14:58.480 And that's not all, doctor Moroney. Wait for it. I 0:14:58.520 --> 0:15:02.880 would never have in ma imagine this goes into the cocktail. 0:15:03.200 --> 0:15:07.120 The autopsy report noted Matthew Perry's history of chronic obstructive 0:15:07.160 --> 0:15:12.280 pulmonary disease inmphysema and diabetes. The report mentions Perry's past 0:15:12.400 --> 0:15:15.560 drug use, but notes Perry had reportedly been cleaned for 0:15:15.680 --> 0:15:18.760 nineteen months. The New York Post reports that in the 0:15:18.800 --> 0:15:22.840 autopsy report, a comment is made about Perry undergoing ketamine 0:15:22.880 --> 0:15:26.440 infusion therapy, most recently one and a half weeks before 0:15:26.480 --> 0:15:30.320 his death. The report states ketamine treatments are for anxiety 0:15:30.360 --> 0:15:34.040 and depression, but ketamine in the system couldn't be from 0:15:34.120 --> 0:15:37.760 the infusion therapy. Doctor Bankole Johnson, one of the leading 0:15:37.800 --> 0:15:40.880 neuroscientists and physicians in the field, tells The New York 0:15:40.960 --> 0:15:44.120 Post that ketamine in Perry's system is more likely from 0:15:44.160 --> 0:15:45.520 recreational use. 0:15:45.720 --> 0:15:54.680 Male hormone testosterone injections. And there's one more ingredient. Why 0:15:55.080 --> 0:16:01.520 was Matthew Perry getting injections of the male hormone testosterone listen. 0:16:01.800 --> 0:16:05.120 According to Matthew Perry, he had been cleaned for nineteen months, 0:16:05.280 --> 0:16:08.040 but The Daily Mail reports the actor died from an 0:16:08.160 --> 0:16:12.680 overdose of the party drug ketamine. According to the autopsy report, 0:16:12.840 --> 0:16:16.280 a detective who attended the scene of Perry's death said, quote, 0:16:16.480 --> 0:16:20.479 during my investigation, no alcohol, elicit drugs or drug paraphernalia 0:16:20.560 --> 0:16:23.680 were found unquote. The Daily Mail also claims the fifty 0:16:23.680 --> 0:16:27.000 four year old was getting injections of the male hormone testosterone, 0:16:27.040 --> 0:16:30.320 and an unnamed female associate claimed the injections were causing 0:16:30.400 --> 0:16:32.960 him to be angry and mean for the last couple 0:16:33.000 --> 0:16:33.440 of weeks. 0:16:34.320 --> 0:16:37.360 From my point of view, doctor Moroney, as a lay 0:16:37.400 --> 0:16:41.200 person and not a doctor an MD like you, if 0:16:41.360 --> 0:16:45.320 something calls causes you to be angry and mean, it 0:16:45.360 --> 0:16:47.480 makes me wonder if it also didn't jack up his 0:16:47.680 --> 0:16:52.480 heart rate, this male testosterone injection. I mean, I don't 0:16:52.480 --> 0:16:54.680 know what to make of it, doctor Moroney, Because you've 0:16:54.680 --> 0:17:00.120 got ketamine, you've got testosterone, you've got the op or 0:17:00.160 --> 0:17:03.000 a treatment drug. There's so much going on there. 0:17:03.160 --> 0:17:08.399 What you have is a cocktail of disaster because you 0:17:08.760 --> 0:17:14.560 probably are dealing with multiple doctors that are not communicating, 0:17:15.200 --> 0:17:17.080 nobody's coordinating his care. 0:17:17.800 --> 0:17:24.400 And if he's getting ketamine, as it's said in the autopsy, 0:17:24.800 --> 0:17:30.120 there's ketamine contents in the stomach that would be ketamine pills. 0:17:30.520 --> 0:17:36.480 That's a rogue doctor, somebody outside of good practice guidelines 0:17:36.560 --> 0:17:40.000 giving pills they have no business giving. In addition to 0:17:40.119 --> 0:17:41.840 ketamine treatments. 0:17:41.400 --> 0:17:45.520 I mean, is a ketamine used by vets so animals 0:17:45.520 --> 0:17:47.240 don't have pain during operations. 0:17:47.359 --> 0:17:50.880 Yeah, it helps with anesthesia for your cats and dogs. 0:17:51.200 --> 0:17:55.880 But at low doses, it's been shown to be beneficial 0:17:56.400 --> 0:18:02.840 in a massively unstable major depressive disorder. But guess what 0:18:03.680 --> 0:18:09.199 that acceptable therapy is nasal? It's a nasal spray with 0:18:09.280 --> 0:18:10.360 your psychiatrist. 0:18:10.480 --> 0:18:15.719 Right. What you're saying ketamine, which many people believe is 0:18:15.800 --> 0:18:20.919 just used by veterinarians. Now people are using it, and 0:18:21.080 --> 0:18:24.960 you're saying that the only approved way for it to 0:18:25.000 --> 0:18:28.160 be used by people is by a nasal spray. 0:18:28.320 --> 0:18:34.840 The acceptable SDA approved supervised ketamine treatment is to go 0:18:35.119 --> 0:18:39.400 see your psychiatrist, have an appointment, get a nasal spray, 0:18:39.920 --> 0:18:43.960 and stay until you're stable, and have a counseling session. 0:18:44.400 --> 0:18:47.040 What you have here is somebody keeps saying, well, he's 0:18:47.040 --> 0:18:51.280 in treatment, he's in recovery, he's not getting enough psychosocial 0:18:51.359 --> 0:18:57.840 therapy because he's impaired, he's impulsive, he's processing poor decisions 0:18:57.880 --> 0:19:02.240 because he doesn't have that park link to all this medicine. 0:19:02.480 --> 0:19:04.440 What is ketamine? 0:19:04.840 --> 0:19:11.800 Ketamine is a class of medicine that works on transmitters 0:19:11.840 --> 0:19:13.000 called glutamate. 0:19:13.359 --> 0:19:19.360 Oh, dear Lord in Heaven, speak English man, What speak English? 0:19:19.680 --> 0:19:21.480 I mean? Is this something I've got to worry about 0:19:21.520 --> 0:19:23.280 they're going to have in the halls of my twins 0:19:23.320 --> 0:19:27.359 high school. I mean, I hear about ecstasy, coke, marijuana, 0:19:27.400 --> 0:19:29.160 blah blah blah blah. But ketamine. 0:19:29.320 --> 0:19:32.879 Ketamine's been abused for twenty years in drug culture and 0:19:32.960 --> 0:19:33.440 drug use. 0:19:33.560 --> 0:19:35.920 But is it traded freely on the street. 0:19:36.240 --> 0:19:38.560 It is on the street. You can buy it if 0:19:38.600 --> 0:19:41.199 you can ask for from your dealer, they'll get you some. 0:19:41.840 --> 0:19:44.680 But it's FDA approved as a nasal spray, and he's 0:19:44.720 --> 0:19:46.639 not getting the FDA approved version. 0:19:46.760 --> 0:19:49.160 Okay, I heard somebody jumping in. Is it wind your 0:19:49.240 --> 0:19:49.879 Karen Stark? 0:19:50.160 --> 0:19:55.080 Karen. It's used as a club drug. It started years ago, Nancy, 0:19:55.119 --> 0:19:59.760 but it's continuing. People do use it recreationally, but it's off. 0:20:00.240 --> 0:20:04.160 There are a lot of trials going on where they 0:20:04.200 --> 0:20:08.840 are psychedelics to stop addiction, just the opposite of what 0:20:08.920 --> 0:20:13.119 we have here and for depression, and that has to 0:20:13.160 --> 0:20:16.120 be a trial because it's not FDA approved. 0:20:16.480 --> 0:20:21.840 These are rogue doctors in rogue clinics. The only doctor 0:20:21.880 --> 0:20:25.120 that's probably legitimate here is the one giving them bupin orphine. 0:20:25.600 --> 0:20:28.280 That's the hardest word to say. But in order to 0:20:28.320 --> 0:20:30.680 do that, you have to have training. The rest of 0:20:30.760 --> 0:20:33.200 these people doing ketamine rogue. 0:20:33.400 --> 0:20:37.680 They're outside the law, they're outside good practice. We saw 0:20:37.760 --> 0:20:42.840 this with Anna, Nicole Smith, Michael Jackson, Prince, all these 0:20:42.920 --> 0:20:46.000 rogue doctors treating all these celebrities and you don't know 0:20:46.040 --> 0:20:47.159 who's around them. 0:20:47.320 --> 0:20:52.040 The so called personal assistant Iwell Massa allegedly lie to 0:20:52.080 --> 0:20:55.240 Matthew Perry's family about what happened to day the Friends 0:20:55.240 --> 0:21:00.359 star died. Sister Madelin says, quote, the personal respect hosible 0:21:00.400 --> 0:21:03.359 for my brother's death stood up and addressed the people 0:21:03.400 --> 0:21:07.200 who loved him most. That is like a cruel joke. 0:21:07.440 --> 0:21:11.240 I still struggle with. He didn't just take my brother's life. 0:21:11.600 --> 0:21:16.600 He tainted our final memories of saying goodbye. Perry's sister 0:21:16.760 --> 0:21:21.680 Caitlin states she would quote never know if the lethal 0:21:21.840 --> 0:21:28.800 dose of ketamine was only lethal by accident. What happened 0:21:28.800 --> 0:21:34.160 the night beloved star Matthew Perry died in his own 0:21:34.200 --> 0:21:34.760 hot tub. 0:21:35.040 --> 0:21:38.400 Ketamine has been around and being abused for a long time. 0:21:39.320 --> 0:21:41.119 We just don't know that much about it, and we 0:21:41.200 --> 0:21:44.640 don't see it as much. We don't it's not soaked 0:21:44.720 --> 0:21:49.840 into our national understanding as well. But as far as 0:21:49.880 --> 0:21:52.760 I can remember that it's been called baby food, bump, 0:21:52.840 --> 0:21:59.440 cat killer, cat valium, fort, dodge, green, green, kay, kayland, kale. 0:21:59.480 --> 0:22:04.199 There's a a million slulling words for ketamine. And the 0:22:04.240 --> 0:22:08.199 first time I ever saw that was when I was 0:22:08.240 --> 0:22:12.760 prosecuting and somebody had it as an aside drug. They 0:22:12.760 --> 0:22:17.480 were dealing heroin, and they also had vitamin K. And 0:22:17.520 --> 0:22:19.760 you're gonna laugh at this, Mike McCormick, I said, so, 0:22:19.800 --> 0:22:23.119 what's wrong with vitamin K? Because I didn't know what 0:22:23.400 --> 0:22:27.200 that vitamin K was? Ketamine? And that was oh gosh. 0:22:27.200 --> 0:22:30.359 I was prosecuting a dope lord and he had a 0:22:30.359 --> 0:22:33.600 stash of vitamin K. That's the first time I heard 0:22:33.720 --> 0:22:34.520 about kendamine. 0:22:34.760 --> 0:22:37.720 And Matthew Parry was not the first celebrity to be 0:22:37.960 --> 0:22:41.720 open about the Kedemy therapy session. I mean, the week 0:22:41.800 --> 0:22:46.760 before he died on December one, Christy Keagan was very 0:22:46.800 --> 0:22:49.879 open about the fact that she underwent Academy therapy session 0:22:50.320 --> 0:22:53.000 to celebrate her birthday, and she said on Instagram how 0:22:53.080 --> 0:22:57.440 she saw space and time and her late so late 0:22:57.480 --> 0:23:01.399 son Jack is someone she saw during the this therapy session. 0:23:01.480 --> 0:23:05.440 So Kedemy has kind of like sort of has come 0:23:05.520 --> 0:23:08.920 into the conscious as of late and now more because 0:23:08.920 --> 0:23:12.000 of Matthew Perry's death, that you're seeing the horrible side 0:23:12.000 --> 0:23:12.800 effect that it can have. 0:23:13.040 --> 0:23:17.000 So, Miguel Lundez from AT Joining Us, you're saying that 0:23:18.520 --> 0:23:22.560 it's common use among celebrities to what fight depression, to. 0:23:22.520 --> 0:23:25.520 Fight depression, to figure themselves, to use them to use 0:23:25.600 --> 0:23:28.640 it as a form of therapy. Christy Keegan is far 0:23:28.680 --> 0:23:33.360 from the only celebrity who has been open about taking 0:23:34.400 --> 0:23:37.879 or undergoing academy therapy sessions. You have the lights of 0:23:37.920 --> 0:23:41.520 Sharon Osborne and Pete Davidson who have been open about this. 0:23:42.160 --> 0:23:45.920 But again, academy therapy session is not dangerous if it's 0:23:45.960 --> 0:23:49.760 done under supervision, as our doctor seen doctors chaff said, 0:23:50.880 --> 0:23:53.840 when you go rogue, and in this case, it seems 0:23:53.880 --> 0:23:57.080 to indicate that that's what Matthew Perry did. You're going 0:23:57.119 --> 0:24:00.840 to see the fatal consequences, consequences, and that's just that's 0:24:00.880 --> 0:24:01.800 exactly what happened. 0:24:01.840 --> 0:24:02.040 Here. 0:24:02.119 --> 0:24:05.720 You're hearing Miguel Melendez, senior writer AT and I've got 0:24:05.720 --> 0:24:09.240 to get everything he said, which is all correct, by 0:24:09.280 --> 0:24:13.640 the way, explain to me medically, Doctor William Maroney renowned 0:24:13.680 --> 0:24:18.200 expert in this field. So when you have ketamine treatment 0:24:18.560 --> 0:24:24.760 with a doctor, you're saying ketamine is ingested nasally like 0:24:24.800 --> 0:24:29.800 through dristand the spray into your nose, and if it's 0:24:30.160 --> 0:24:33.240 used any other way than it's rogue. Do I have 0:24:33.320 --> 0:24:34.160 that right, Maroni? 0:24:34.280 --> 0:24:38.400 The reason why it's rogue is the FDA approved spray 0:24:38.920 --> 0:24:45.359 comes with specific conditions, that you're observed, that they follow instructions, 0:24:45.600 --> 0:24:48.240 and that your safety comes first, and you really can't 0:24:48.320 --> 0:24:51.320 even drive to and from your session. You're supposed to 0:24:51.400 --> 0:24:53.600 have somebody take care of you. As soon as you 0:24:53.680 --> 0:24:58.560 let somebody take ketamine pills, well, it's unobserved, it's uncontrolled, 0:24:59.160 --> 0:25:01.920 and it's clear there was ketamine in his stomach and 0:25:02.000 --> 0:25:08.280 his level in his blood was exactly halfway between low 0:25:08.359 --> 0:25:12.960 anesthesia and high anesthesia. You don't have those levels when 0:25:13.000 --> 0:25:19.040 you're supervised. And the whole idea that ketamine therapy is 0:25:19.200 --> 0:25:25.040