1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:02,640 Speaker 1: We're here at Tommy's Tavern and tap. We got a 2 00:00:02,640 --> 00:00:08,240 Speaker 1: little legends roundtable talking eighty six ninety and who better 3 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:11,559 Speaker 1: to have to talk about it than Super Bowl MVP 4 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 1: Phil Simms, Super Bowl MVP Otis Sanderson, two times Super 5 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 1: Bowl champion Mark Collins, and two times Super. 6 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:21,639 Speaker 2: Bowl champion Carl Banks. 7 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:23,759 Speaker 1: All right, we got a lot of rings here, and 8 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:26,079 Speaker 1: we got a lot of stories between these guys. 9 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:27,480 Speaker 2: All start with you. 10 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 1: You guys went ten to zero in nineteen ninety in 11 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 1: route to win in Super Bowl twenty five. You were 12 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: dominant fourteen and two in nineteen eighty six, best team 13 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 1: in the National Football League. What was the similarity between 14 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:42,919 Speaker 1: the two teams and the differences in those two teams? 15 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 3: The similarities that toughness was one thing big teams. I 16 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 3: think the Giants all the years we were there, we 17 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 3: were one of the bigger teams in the NFL because 18 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 3: we had this coach really to believed in that stuff. 19 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 4: So those similarities are there. 20 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 3: But I think the eighty sixteen was more wide open 21 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 3: than the ninety team was. Ninety it became I held 22 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 3: out that year hoping to get a new contract. Didn't work, 23 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:09,559 Speaker 3: But ninety team, I remember Bill par Sales calling me, Sims, 24 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 3: you gotta get the camp this run game and our 25 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 3: offensive line, we're gonna mush people. To me, that was 26 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:17,559 Speaker 3: the big difference the ninety team. It was about we're 27 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 3: just gonna work you over and beat you down, and 28 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 3: it was two different ways to win. The offense in 29 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:27,319 Speaker 3: nineteen ninety was well, they say ground and pound, but 30 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 3: I would say grind it out. 31 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 4: That's what it was about. 32 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 3: I can't tell you how many times I'd walk on 33 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 3: the field to get ready to certain games playing the Dolphins, 34 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 3: Great Dan Marino all that, and I'd be walking out 35 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 3: the field in Parsilico Simms, and I knew what he 36 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:42,760 Speaker 3: was gonna say, and I'd turn around and go what 37 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:43,480 Speaker 3: he'd go? 38 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 5: Kill the clock. 39 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 3: So my most important job was to stay in the 40 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 3: huddle long enough so we snapped the ball with one 41 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 3: or two seconds ago, and you guys, it played to you. Yeah, 42 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 3: played in the defense big time. I may we had 43 00:01:56,920 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 3: low scoring games, but dominant games. Dan Marino, I think 44 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 3: that day we did a great job. 45 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 6: Bob. 46 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 3: He found a way to get three points for the Dolphins, 47 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 3: and it was the fastest game maybe an NFL. 48 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 7: History in eighty six we knew we were better than everyone, 49 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 7: and if you look the way Joe performed, marsh that 50 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 7: is it was just a great season. So it was 51 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 7: easier to say that we will probably get to the 52 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 7: Super Bowl. Plus, George Martin said to me when I 53 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 7: walked into the locker room, he said, you're the mist 54 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 7: apiece that we need me behind Joe. Pushing Joe to 55 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 7: be the best he could be made us a better 56 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 7: running team. And then the versatility was me playing fullback 57 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 7: as well as halfback, so you can have Joe and 58 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 7: I both on the field at the same time. 59 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 6: So that was the strategy. I think we were good 60 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 6: because we made each other better. Yeah, and I thought 61 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 6: that was kind of the hallmark of our eighty sixteen 62 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 6: That's why we believed in each other and how we 63 00:02:57,240 --> 00:02:59,239 Speaker 6: became so dominant. Mark. 64 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 1: What was it like coming into this mix of you're 65 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 1: not going to a bad team, You're going to a 66 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 1: team that's feeling championship. 67 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:05,959 Speaker 6: Yeah. 68 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 5: I just wanted to come in and fit in, and 69 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:11,080 Speaker 5: I played a pretty big role on the eighty sixteen. 70 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 5: One thing about being a rookie, I'm a second round pick, 71 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 5: so expectations are on me. 72 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 6: Are pretty hit high, so. 73 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:20,360 Speaker 5: I gotta range that my game up to match that. 74 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 5: You gotta know what the hell you're doing, because you're 75 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:26,080 Speaker 5: trying to impress the coaches. But more so what I 76 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 5: was doing was trying to compress these guys, because the 77 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 5: coach is going to ask these guys, Hey, what's this Collins? 78 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 6: How's he looking? How's he looking? 79 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 5: Philis throwing the ball? Me, I'm knocking the ball down, 80 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 5: all that kind of stuff. Hey, that guy can play. 81 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 5: Once you win your ranking file over, the rest is easy. 82 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 6: You just gotta go out there and play. 83 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 8: Collins takes it at the two, the fifteen. 84 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 2: He's got rooms. 85 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 9: Collins to the. 86 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 8: Thirty, Collins to the forty Collins, Big go all the 87 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 8: way they chasing get pretty high to thirty Collins. Doll 88 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 8: twenty puts. 89 00:03:54,480 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 4: Down the rookie from Pullerden State mart Yards. 90 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 5: Our eighty sixteen we cared about each other. But one 91 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 5: thing that made us good our strength and aditioning coach Johnny. 92 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 4: Parker was awesome. 93 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:17,600 Speaker 5: We were physically stronger than a lot of teams. Our 94 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 5: eighty sixteen was we were expected to win. Our nineteen 95 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 5: ninety team. We were not expected to be that good. 96 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 5: But damn we were good. Yeah, we were. We were 97 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:33,360 Speaker 5: really really good. We started ten and o that year. Yeah, 98 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:34,920 Speaker 5: and no one mentioned we did even mention it. 99 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 6: It was a ten and oh and every week it 100 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 6: was day one, but day one. But make sure we 101 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:43,720 Speaker 6: knew that. Yeah. Yeah. He kept saying, stop reading the clippings. 102 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 9: You ain't good as you think you are. 103 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 6: Yeah, said to us, Yeah, doesn't sound like Bill. 104 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 7: What I remember Banks that we drafted Rodney, you remember, yeah, 105 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 7: eighty nine. I'm like you, Sam, I just go over 106 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:56,719 Speaker 7: a thousand yards, right, I'm feeling myself. I'm thinking, you know, 107 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 7: I'm about to get paid now, you know, you know, 108 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:01,719 Speaker 7: and I'm trying to whole out. 109 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 9: Like you do. 110 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:05,720 Speaker 7: A training camp helped out two days right. Bill Parcells 111 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 7: called Maurice. He said, you have O Jay's number, Marcia. Yeah, 112 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 7: co He said, you tell him he ain't here, my son. 113 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:14,279 Speaker 7: That don't even come. 114 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:18,040 Speaker 6: Right. So Maurice caught me up. 115 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 9: He said, I know how you want to take this, 116 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 9: but just talked to Bill. 117 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 6: I said, yeah, man, they gonna pay me. 118 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 9: He said no. Bill told me if you were here 119 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 9: bout it don't come. 120 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:32,720 Speaker 7: Well, you know, Bob, I was there for a way here. Yeah, 121 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 7: and never got But you know that whole season in 122 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 7: eighty nine was a blessing because I think Joe got 123 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 7: hurt and Bill didn't believe in playing rookie. So we 124 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 7: had Maggot and he had Louis Tillman and he went 125 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 7: with me because of my seniority. And uh eighty nine, 126 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:50,159 Speaker 7: the super Bowl was in the state of Florida. I'd said, 127 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 7: come out of Miami if it wasn't the state of Florida. 128 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:55,040 Speaker 7: I was the feature running back. I win MVP. We 129 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:58,480 Speaker 7: were playing Flipper Anderson, which is the RAM, you know, 130 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 7: and then we lose on the Philip Adison play it. 131 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 6: I go in the locker room. I'm sitting like the. 132 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:05,840 Speaker 7: See like god, man, I can't believe my prediction never 133 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:08,480 Speaker 7: gonna come true. And Maurice said to me, well, you know, 134 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 7: the super Bowl is in Tampa. I said, Tampa, Florida. 135 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 7: He said yes, I said we are going. I said 136 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:16,160 Speaker 7: we are going And he said why do you figure that? 137 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:17,280 Speaker 7: Said it's my destiny. 138 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 1: You know, you think about all these teams and all 139 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:23,039 Speaker 1: these facilities that they have, and there's ping pong tables 140 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:26,040 Speaker 1: and pool tables, and there's video game stations and all 141 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:28,359 Speaker 1: that other stuff. Obviously, you guys didn't have any of 142 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:31,720 Speaker 1: that stuff, obviously, But do you think that they're missing 143 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 1: out a little bit on kind of what you guys 144 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 1: in your your hat as far as team camaraderie. 145 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:40,599 Speaker 6: Here's what they miss on a different level. They miss 146 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:42,839 Speaker 6: a single chair in the middle of a damn locker room. 147 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:44,840 Speaker 6: And the first guy you see when you walk through 148 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 6: the door is the head coach. No matter how early 149 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 6: he got there, no matter how. 150 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 4: Early he he was always there. 151 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 6: Sitting in that little orange chair, just waiting for a 152 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 6: guy to come in. And he says, come sit. 153 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 9: Down, somebody he could talk to it, which was Maurice caughthor. 154 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 3: I yeah, says about the chair. I got this story, 155 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 3: so I come in. I was always early because I 156 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:07,039 Speaker 3: wanted to get ahead of everybody. So I get in 157 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 3: there early. There's Bill sitting in that thing at the time. 158 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 3: He had a couple of coffee smoked cigarettes, I think, 159 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 3: and he sees me. He said, Sims, come here, and 160 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 3: I can already hear it in his voice, Oh here 161 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 3: we go, And I go, Yeah, what's going on, coach? 162 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 3: And I'm trying to like walk away already he goes, 163 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 3: how many passes you complete in practice yesterday? 164 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 4: I go, I don't know. He goes, I'll tell you 165 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 4: how many? Not many? And then so I'm not saying anything. 166 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 4: He goes. 167 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 3: I tossed him turned all night. My wife said, Bill, 168 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 3: what's the matter. He goes, My f and quarterback can't 169 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 3: complete a pass. That's my problem. So this is how 170 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 3: my days start. That's life with Bill Park. I don't 171 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 3: know what he did to all you guys. That's what 172 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 3: he did to so many players. He put you on 173 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 3: edge well as much as he could. 174 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 7: He would tell the story about Old Red or Old 175 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 7: Yellow the doll. 176 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 4: Oh yeah. 177 00:07:56,760 --> 00:08:00,080 Speaker 9: And he was saying that, you know, I guess I 178 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 9: don't know. 179 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 4: Wait, he's saying you were old yeller. 180 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 6: Yeah yeah. He said, I'm gonna tell you a little story. 181 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 6: I said, come try that. 182 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 7: He said, Well, this farmer had this dog called Old Yellow. Now, 183 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 7: when he was young, the farmer would get up and 184 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 7: Old Yellow, I run to the door. 185 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 6: You want to get outside? He want to get outside, okay. 186 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 6: And then the farmer. 187 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 7: Got a pump after Old Yellow got old because he 188 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 7: would come to the door and Old Yellow wouldn't get up. 189 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 7: He would just lay there and just look at him, 190 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 7: and he said, no, worry about I got the pup. 191 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 7: So when the pup get up and run out the door, oh, 192 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 7: Yellow will get up and look. So he said to me, 193 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:40,080 Speaker 7: he said, I just want you to know that you're 194 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 7: old Yellow and Ridney. 195 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 6: It's the new pup. 196 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 7: So either you get up and follow him out there, 197 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 7: or you stay on the porch and. 198 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:47,960 Speaker 6: We'll see you next year. 199 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 3: I had to watch film with him one day and 200 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 3: Mark Bavarl's running down and running to the corner and 201 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 3: he goes, why don't you throw the mavar here? Sims, 202 00:08:57,160 --> 00:09:01,320 Speaker 3: you know, like I go because he's covered, like real, 203 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 3: like I'm just but he goes, Sims, that's what's wrong 204 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:07,959 Speaker 3: with you. You just don't understand. When he's covered, he's open. 205 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 3: That was this big thing. And I just went, Okay, 206 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 3: you're right, I got you because it was true. That's 207 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 3: where it all started. Just throw it tomorrow, catch it. 208 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 3: Bill Parcells to me, is the greatest game mannerder I've 209 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 3: ever witnessed or been around. 210 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:24,680 Speaker 1: In the eighty six championship game in the wind the 211 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 1: Giants City. 212 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 3: How about just that game, he says, Nope, we want 213 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 3: to take the wind behind us, because I want to 214 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 3: get on you said it to me. I want to 215 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:35,439 Speaker 3: get on top of him. And because then they got 216 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:38,199 Speaker 3: to chase this. He was so big, and we make 217 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 3: them chase this. We got them and man, thank god 218 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 3: Washington could not handle the wind. 219 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 4: I mean, come on, the duke. He was one of 220 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:47,679 Speaker 4: a kind. 221 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 3: But all I can say is, I've never seen anybody 222 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 3: kick a damn ball like him. 223 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 6: In my life to this day. 224 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 3: And you know, I think he's a Hall of Fame guy. 225 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 3: It's like a bomb going off when. 226 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:57,079 Speaker 6: He kicked it. 227 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 3: Florence Taylor says, can you believe it? We might have 228 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 3: won the game because of our brank punter. 229 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 8: When you win the championship, you know you're going to 230 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:14,200 Speaker 8: the super Bowl. It's the greatest feeling in sports. 231 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:17,199 Speaker 7: What did you tell the story in Indy with the 232 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 7: halftime the tip ball? 233 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 6: Wait? 234 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 3: I think we were up I told you nineteen or 235 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 3: twenty to nothing because Indy was the great team that 236 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:28,680 Speaker 3: was upsetting people on Monday nights in the Dome. Yep, 237 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:33,439 Speaker 3: so that's all we heard all week. Cloned do you remember? Yeah, 238 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 3: this team and whatever. So we're killing them and I 239 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 3: throw a passing the right flat Maurice Carthon is wide open, 240 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 3: and Maurice, as I've said, you know, instead of being. 241 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 4: Right here, I threw it right there because the ball 242 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 4: was tipped and Maurice picked it up in the air. Yeah. 243 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 4: And then I walked down and says, come on, Sims, 244 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 4: you got to hit that, and I go, yeah, the 245 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 4: ball was tipped. 246 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 3: He goes, don't be making excuses. I'm not making no 247 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 3: dimn excuses of fact. Whatever we blow up, we cursed 248 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 3: each other, we say a lot of things all that. 249 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 3: But after the game, getting on the plane, mostly linemen, 250 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 3: they would come up and go, how. 251 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:12,440 Speaker 6: Did it feel? 252 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:14,680 Speaker 4: It feels great. I wish I could do that. 253 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 9: Yeah, everybody. 254 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, And all of a sudden, which I was very 255 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 3: embarrassed about the whole thing, I became a folk hero 256 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 3: for a little bit. 257 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 7: I was surprised that that's the first time I saw 258 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:29,200 Speaker 7: anybody say anything back to Parcels. I mean, Parcels would 259 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 7: say things and you were mamlo on your voice, bludd 260 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 7: you would anything. 261 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:35,560 Speaker 3: We did it one time and he kind of pulled back, goes, ooh, 262 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 3: Simps is mad at me, and he says, do you 263 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:40,440 Speaker 3: want to hit me, and I go, man, something is 264 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 3: wrong with you. 265 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:42,560 Speaker 6: Fakes. 266 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 7: You remember when uh LT and and him got into 267 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 7: it at LT they stopped talking for a couple of days. 268 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, so because they were so tight. 269 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 9: Yeah, father and son, father and son. 270 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 6: And it was so dramatic the fact that they weren't buddy. 271 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 6: But you know, you come out to practice and it's 272 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 6: you know, somebody's joking on somebody. But Lawrence made a 273 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 6: concerted effort to stay away from Bill, didn't want to 274 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 6: talk to him. And you could just see Bill, you know, 275 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 6: because he's wearing these little tight sweat pants walk around 276 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:22,199 Speaker 6: and his feet go like this, right, like yeah, the 277 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 6: fan and he walking and he stops and he just 278 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 6: folds his arms and he just looks at Lawrence, and 279 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 6: Lawrence's you know, mumbles something under his breath. And it 280 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:34,679 Speaker 6: was the best breakup ever. It was soap opera level 281 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 6: breakup for what was a couple of days? Anydays? 282 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:37,680 Speaker 4: Oh yeah. 283 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 8: Some of these guys got to get their head out 284 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:40,320 Speaker 8: of their ass around here. 285 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:44,439 Speaker 2: So Philip obviously super Bowl MVP. 286 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:47,439 Speaker 4: Well not obviously. You know this guy over there. 287 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 3: As I watched the Super Bowl one day, I went 288 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 3: it was about five years ago, one of my grandchildren said, well, 289 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 3: i'll watch it with you. We watch and he goes, 290 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 3: you know, Karl Banks is really good. 291 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 4: And I goes that you took out of that. 292 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 3: And then when I saw the game, I went, damn, 293 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:08,560 Speaker 3: Carl had an unbelievable game, one of the greatest games 294 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 3: the defensive players ever had in the Super Bowl. 295 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 8: I think over the long run, Carl Banks is going 296 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:16,439 Speaker 8: to be the best player in this giant defense. Like 297 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 8: he's going to be there for a long time. I mean, 298 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:20,839 Speaker 8: he could do it all. I mean he can cover, 299 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 8: he can run, he can tackle, he can do everything. 300 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:26,960 Speaker 3: You know, the Super Bowl, the MVP. Everybody makes a 301 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 3: big deal of it. 302 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 4: It's just not right. 303 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:32,680 Speaker 3: Because I know the quarterback has an extreme advantage of 304 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:35,319 Speaker 3: everybody else. But they got to start giving an MVP 305 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:38,200 Speaker 3: to the defensive player. I think that's fair and I 306 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:39,079 Speaker 3: think it would be great for. 307 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:41,560 Speaker 6: The game, adding a defensive MVP of the game. 308 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 4: That's what I mean. Yeah, I wont an MVP of 309 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 4: the game. Yeah, besides the offense, make one on each side, right, But. 310 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 2: Other than the Super Bowl where you won the MVP. 311 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 1: Is there one game that when you think back is 312 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:56,199 Speaker 1: just like a Phil Simms favorite game. 313 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's Minnesota. They turned my life around. It's 314 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:02,200 Speaker 3: that game and for many reasons why I like it. 315 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 3: We won, it started to run where we just ran 316 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 3: the rest out the whole year. Only we played some 317 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:10,559 Speaker 3: close games and I never felt like they were close 318 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 3: even then. But I think it just gave me confidence 319 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:15,320 Speaker 3: and the fact that we found a way to win there. 320 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 3: What it did it was that opened up our offense 321 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 3: and we played much better for the rest of the 322 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:20,239 Speaker 3: year in the playoffs. 323 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 7: One thing I always wanted to know from Ufield was 324 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 7: you notice the MVPs they always awarded a car. 325 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 6: What kind of car? Did they give you? 326 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 3: A Super ru The bad thing is when I want 327 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 3: I was fortunate enough to win the MVP of the 328 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 3: Pro Bowl and the games are said, what kind of 329 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 3: car do I get? And they go there's no car. 330 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 3: And then the following year they give away Cadilloc. 331 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:49,359 Speaker 4: So I'm not saying. 332 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 3: Bad things, but it took me a minute to get 333 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 3: in it. 334 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 4: They're not really big cars. So for you, what about 335 00:14:57,920 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 4: other than winning? 336 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 2: Choose bulls? Like one game and you're like, man, I 337 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 2: was just like sewing the zone. 338 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 5: That was a bunch of games, but I'm gonna bring 339 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 5: this one up because I thought it was. It was 340 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 5: a classic of how we worked on defense. So we're 341 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 5: playing Dallas and Carl is known to jam the tight 342 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 5: end before he gets a fill this particular play because 343 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 5: Lawrence always rushing, he's on all right, they took the 344 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 5: tight end from our left side defensive left over to 345 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 5: the right. And I'm going, oh, because I know what 346 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 5: he's gonna do. He's gonna go. But Dallas didn't know that. 347 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 5: Oh Danny White, Yeah, so I'm going, holy, is bother happened? 348 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 6: And you can see Carl lower his shoulder. 349 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 7: White back coming in a ball throw a giant haddock, 350 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 7: white or hammer. 351 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 6: All I knew is Tony Dorsett was back there. He's 352 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 6: either gonna step into the line and he gonna get me. Well, 353 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 6: I'm gonna go one hundred out. 354 00:15:57,520 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 4: It was beautiful. 355 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 6: He broke his wrists and it was a fumble. 356 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 8: Well, Carl Banks is coming seat right in his face. 357 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:10,080 Speaker 8: He hit them square, the ball pops out, Jim Burt 358 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 8: jumps on it. I don't know who you're playing my 359 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 8: neck because no one blocked Carl Banks. You give a 360 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 8: shot like that where that guy comes straight at you, 361 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 8: no one blocks him. You have to add the doctor 362 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 8: check after a play like that. 363 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 1: All right, So I'm gonna I'm gonna just hit you 364 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 1: with some like associations right now when you think about 365 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 1: that framework of those teams. 366 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 2: Best dressed teammate. 367 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 4: Wow, oh no, No, Maurice Carthon. 368 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 3: Maurice Carthon would wear all these new things, and he 369 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 3: talking about going to the club the night before or something. 370 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 3: I said, well, did y'all dance and have a good time? 371 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 3: He goes, Man, I will go sweat this thing up. 372 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 3: Maurice loved his clothes. 373 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 7: I came from Saint Louis dressing pretty good. And I 374 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 7: even hip sims up to the police on Norrie's. 375 00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah, this was had to toe. And the guy 376 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 6: who had the best ties ever was Phil and he 377 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:11,879 Speaker 6: used to keep it a secret until I'm in the 378 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 6: mall and I see him walking out. Phil was always 379 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 6: dressed in press and then and then it was the 380 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:22,360 Speaker 6: rest of us. 381 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 3: Funniest teammate, well, the one I probably the funniest teammate 382 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 3: probably Mark was always up there one. But Lawrence was 383 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:35,920 Speaker 3: funny in his own way, you know, because I mean, 384 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:37,440 Speaker 3: one day I went to get a pair of shoes 385 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:39,160 Speaker 3: out of his locker that were mine, and I went 386 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 3: and I found a gold encrusted diamond watch at the 387 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:46,920 Speaker 3: bottom of it. So I let a couple of days 388 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:49,119 Speaker 3: pass and then finally said, Lawrence, you know, I remember 389 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:50,119 Speaker 3: you used to wear that watch. 390 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:50,639 Speaker 4: I loved it. 391 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 6: What happened? 392 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 4: He goes, he don't know where that watch was. 393 00:17:55,880 --> 00:18:00,400 Speaker 1: So how about a most underrated teammate? I mean, played 394 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 1: with a lot of great players, but maybe someone that 395 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 1: isn't remembered as much, you know, but were part of 396 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 1: the great teams but played an important role for you guys. 397 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 7: I would say big Dog William Robert Roberts, Big Dog, 398 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 7: big Doll was another jokes to right, yeah, oh yeah, 399 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 7: but William would always come in with something all every day, 400 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:23,919 Speaker 7: either something from Miami music wise. 401 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:27,359 Speaker 6: For me, it would be Maurice Carfine. Oh yeah, okay. 402 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 6: I thought most valuable teammate across the board was Maurice 403 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:36,879 Speaker 6: because he would get you ready for a game. But 404 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 6: he'll get your special teams guys ready for a game, 405 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:41,960 Speaker 6: and if the special teams guy's not doing it, he'll 406 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:44,560 Speaker 6: go in and do it right. And I just think 407 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 6: for what he meant to our team as a teammate 408 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 6: was incredible because you take the best guy and it 409 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:55,120 Speaker 6: didn't take much. Because that's probably why him and Bill 410 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:59,879 Speaker 6: were so tight. Always had a guy that needed to 411 00:18:59,880 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 6: be he's taken care of in past protection or in 412 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 6: run in your run, skied, don't worry about it. MO 413 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 6: would figure out how to get the guy on the 414 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:11,159 Speaker 6: ground and it would be violent. 415 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 9: I was. 416 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 5: I would say my guy would probably be Perry Williams. 417 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:16,359 Speaker 4: He rock Perry. 418 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 5: Me and Perry were left right corners for seven years, 419 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:23,440 Speaker 5: probably the longest tenure of any. 420 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:24,960 Speaker 6: Giant corner duo. 421 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 5: Yeah, so I mean, and Perry never never gets the 422 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:33,120 Speaker 5: credit because I played left corner. That's like playing third 423 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 5: base for the Yankees or goalieue for the Rangers. That's 424 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:40,639 Speaker 5: that's the hot corner and that's well you get. And 425 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:43,440 Speaker 5: Perry played the opposite. So h he's a guy who 426 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 5: doesn't get enough credit. And that's a guy that always 427 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:46,119 Speaker 5: rely on. 428 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:49,159 Speaker 6: Man, he was the guy that you took somebody else's 429 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 6: fastest guy and said Perry, Yeah, you know Perry. You 430 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:57,160 Speaker 6: know he was a world class printer where I was too. 431 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 3: He's a good dude from It was all my linemen. 432 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:04,360 Speaker 3: Bartos was great, Brad Benson. 433 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:06,440 Speaker 4: You know what were they called? You remember what part? 434 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 6: Yes? 435 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 2: Perfect? 436 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 4: You know what it was? 437 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:17,640 Speaker 3: Oh wait, come on, Chris, my right guards. Miss Godfrey. Well, 438 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 3: he his name was tunnel because if here's where you're 439 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:27,720 Speaker 3: supposed to line up or whatever, he would it had 440 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 3: to be perfect. If he oh, here's the guy in 441 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:31,439 Speaker 3: front of me, I got to block him. But if 442 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 3: he was moved one inch, he's not quite in front 443 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:34,720 Speaker 3: of me. Coach, what do I do? 444 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 4: That's how I got the name tunnel tunnel vision, tunnel vision. 445 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 1: Alright, so we're gonna do a little thing here called 446 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:42,719 Speaker 1: blind rankings. 447 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 2: One is the best, five is the fifth best. 448 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 1: There's no bad when we're going one to five from 449 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:54,880 Speaker 1: nineteen eighty six. All right, Bert hit on Montana Giants Stadium. 450 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:56,440 Speaker 1: Where do you put that? 451 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 4: Well, I'm let's play it. I would say I'll go three. 452 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,359 Speaker 3: Okay, call Montana weigh one hundred and seventy five pounds 453 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 3: that game. 454 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:09,119 Speaker 8: Well, quietly in ascended, he goes down down the money 455 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 8: and foots down. 456 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 2: See see how it goes? Were good with three? 457 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:18,119 Speaker 1: Give me a little leeway, both sides three. All right, 458 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 1: flea flicker versus Denver times. 459 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:25,159 Speaker 3: The cockey comes in motion to the right hand side 460 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 3: pitch mars, but turns around back to SAMs on the 461 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:28,359 Speaker 3: fleet flicker. 462 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:29,440 Speaker 4: Sims is looking way down. 463 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 9: Fails. 464 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 8: You gotta receive it. 465 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 1: Cut fleet out of the ten, fine, cut down. 466 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 8: I believe I know the pocket at the one. 467 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:40,399 Speaker 4: Tell them the pocket of the one yard line. Complete ten, 468 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 4: it's over. Yeah, we're kicking the ass anyway, okay. 469 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:46,720 Speaker 1: Fine, Uh George Martin interception against the Ronco. 470 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:49,640 Speaker 7: Whoa wow, that's kind of up there that there's gotta 471 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 7: be two. 472 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:50,920 Speaker 4: I'm gonna say too. 473 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:53,120 Speaker 5: Let's go to the motion toward the middle by fans 474 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 5: Johnson Elway is looking for a talk. 475 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:55,640 Speaker 6: It goes after the right side. 476 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 1: It is nothing, joy clicking Tody forty five at the 477 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:01,439 Speaker 1: forty five A wait, taker and break the tackle. 478 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:05,680 Speaker 8: Forty thirty five thirty. 479 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:09,399 Speaker 7: Martin parting to the tunny frighten to the ten. He 480 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 7: did run, So. 481 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:15,920 Speaker 1: We have that is number two. Number three is birds 482 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 1: hit on Montana. Number five is the flee flicker against 483 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:22,879 Speaker 1: Denver right start of the third quarter or down seventeen 484 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:26,160 Speaker 1: to nothing. San Francisco, Monday night, football Bavara. 485 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:30,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, god damn you know what, that's almost a historic 486 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 3: play that I still see it today all the time 487 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 3: during NFL coverage or whatever. 488 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 4: I'm gonna say. 489 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:39,880 Speaker 6: One, that's work one. Yeah, that's a motivational Yeah. That great. 490 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:40,960 Speaker 6: Oh that was only a roadway. 491 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:43,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, come pat the Bavar down to the thirty five 492 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 1: showing us peak to the thirty, down to the twenty five, 493 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,359 Speaker 1: down to the twenty. He's got four minutes in his 494 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 1: back hack us down at the seventeen. 495 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:52,119 Speaker 6: Yeah, because oh he was dragged. 496 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 5: Yeah right, oh yeah, we saw it on it on 497 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 5: the defensive Sidelde. 498 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 6: We saw it. Yeah, Dragon running a lot like it was. 499 00:22:58,520 --> 00:22:59,360 Speaker 6: That was really impressive. 500 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:04,159 Speaker 4: Great, this is classic and vintage Bavarro. This is what 501 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 4: he does the best. He is just one tough cookie. 502 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 3: He just carries forty nine ers all the way inside 503 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 3: the twenty, carry them for ten yards to get. 504 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,399 Speaker 4: The first down and set up a possible drift score. 505 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:19,200 Speaker 1: So that means number four is fourth and seventeen. Botam 506 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:21,679 Speaker 1: seventeen there his favorite left them drop back to the 507 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 1: horny jam. 508 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:25,200 Speaker 6: B completely in. 509 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 1: Yes, that's a thirty yard line put down. 510 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:30,120 Speaker 8: What I catch by Johnson? 511 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,200 Speaker 6: I mean, listen, it was a routine throw for Seal. 512 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 4: It wasn't like. 513 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:37,679 Speaker 6: Again bakes it. 514 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 2: So let's go to nineteen ninety. 515 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 1: Since all four of you are two times Super Bowl champions, 516 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:46,480 Speaker 1: we're gonna play the same game. Blind rankings, SIMS and 517 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:48,640 Speaker 1: lot square off. 518 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:52,399 Speaker 2: Monday night football, San Francisco. That's good. That long's good. 519 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 4: That's fine. 520 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:55,679 Speaker 6: What did you say? I don't know? It was no. 521 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:57,680 Speaker 4: He looked at me on the silent ca't believe. He said, 522 00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:58,879 Speaker 4: what the hell you looking at me for? And so 523 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 4: we started. I was like, it's shade your way. I'll 524 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 4: tell you why. Yeah, it was Jim Burt. 525 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 6: Yeah, was over. 526 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 2: Bert was on the other side. 527 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 6: You got them. 528 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 4: Of course I never said. 529 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:13,959 Speaker 6: Whatever I mean. 530 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:15,399 Speaker 2: I mean, Bert stirred the. 531 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:22,120 Speaker 1: Did Yeah, all right, Gary, reason again, fake punt put 532 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 1: in San Francisco, in the NFC Champ, fake. 533 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 2: Punt, and it's gonna work. 534 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:33,440 Speaker 8: It's Reasons Raisons striking down to it inside the twenty. 535 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 2: Five first down, and much much more. 536 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 8: That's the call they needed, that's the play they needed. 537 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 8: They needed something to get. 538 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:40,960 Speaker 6: Him out of this. 539 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 1: Three three three, the fake punts going down his number 540 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 1: threee number three. 541 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:49,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, all. 542 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 1: Right, keeping that game, Eric Howard forcing the fumble of 543 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 1: Roger crack hither. 544 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:57,919 Speaker 7: Behind the line of screamings and the Giants had the 545 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:01,480 Speaker 7: ball al tailor out of the pack with the. 546 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 8: Ball, and you knew that the Giants were going for it. 547 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:06,480 Speaker 8: And that's what Bill Parcells is saying. 548 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,200 Speaker 6: Yep, we need it. I was saying too. 549 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 9: Yeah, that gave us. 550 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:14,239 Speaker 4: That was a game winner on the clock out at 551 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:14,439 Speaker 4: the time. 552 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 6: Could it couldn't watch? 553 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, okay? Uh. 554 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,639 Speaker 2: Leonard Marshall sack on Montana. 555 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 7: Oh my game, tainly hit from behind the balls loose 556 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 7: and he really took a shot in that back. 557 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 8: Leonard Marshall coming from the backside. 558 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 6: Boy, that is a real shot. I thought your brook 559 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 6: is back. 560 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 4: I mean, come on, I'm gonna tell you that. And 561 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,840 Speaker 4: a part that really career. 562 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:48,159 Speaker 1: Going to Kansas City because what's the next year young became. 563 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:53,479 Speaker 6: Right, But the effort that Leonard gave on that play 564 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:57,400 Speaker 6: kind of symbolized the type of team we were because 565 00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 6: he literally had to get off the ground. Twe that 566 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 6: was under the spirit of what our defense was like though. 567 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 1: All right, So that puts at number four, mark ingram 568 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 1: third and thirteen oh all, Yeah, the most incredible efforts. 569 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,920 Speaker 8: He might be a first pride to play. 570 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:15,639 Speaker 5: Yes, he's got it. 571 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 6: What effort? 572 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:17,960 Speaker 4: What effort? 573 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 2: This is a lot of fun talking about that era. 574 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,159 Speaker 1: So I have one last question for all of you 575 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,960 Speaker 1: that parcells little speech he gave to you after the game, 576 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:28,440 Speaker 1: after Super Bowl twenty one. 577 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 5: The rest of your life, man, nobody can ever tell 578 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:33,440 Speaker 5: you that you couldn't do it. 579 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 6: Because you. 580 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:41,480 Speaker 1: As time has gone on, what does that messaging now 581 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:42,120 Speaker 1: mean to you? 582 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 3: Well, it was right, and I think winning the Super 583 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:47,960 Speaker 3: but it's something that can, like you say, you can 584 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 3: never take it away, and I just thank god that did. 585 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 4: I was part of two super Bowl winning teams. 586 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:55,879 Speaker 6: We can have conversations about it with a dynasty we 587 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:57,919 Speaker 6: could have been, but I don't know what it's like 588 00:26:57,960 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 6: to lose. Good point. 589 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:03,280 Speaker 5: Absolutely listen. I I played from four teams. I went 590 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 5: to three Super Bowls. I lost one in Green Bay 591 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:09,119 Speaker 5: with the Packers. But hey, listen with these guys, this 592 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,879 Speaker 5: is family to me, and winning two super Bowls on 593 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 5: my on my my license plates, it's two time champ? 594 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 4: Does it really? 595 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:20,480 Speaker 5: Yeah? It's the two time champ. I'm damn proud of 596 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,199 Speaker 5: what I've done, and these guys here are that I 597 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 5: want a championship with. I love these. 598 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:28,120 Speaker 2: Guys about for you. It's time, you know. 599 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:31,399 Speaker 7: It's uh, it's kind of what everybody's saying. It's to 600 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,160 Speaker 7: be in in two Super Bowls and win both Super 601 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 7: Bowls and having a chance to score and both bowl 602 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:37,880 Speaker 7: you know. 603 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:39,720 Speaker 4: Well, you know, o Jay, I can still year. 604 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 3: Your play gets you running out there and giving I 605 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 3: mean that thing is the first play that almost comes 606 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:47,720 Speaker 3: up besides the game. 607 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:51,240 Speaker 6: Yeah, well by far, you know, just having it. 608 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:53,920 Speaker 2: Well, we want to thank Tommy's tavern and tap. 609 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:55,680 Speaker 4: Yeah. 610 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,480 Speaker 1: What you know we're gonna do next year? Boys, what 611 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,440 Speaker 1: we're gonna celebrate the fortieth. 612 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 4: There we go. Love it, I love it. 613 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 6: I love it. 614 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 4: Forty ye more, getting more stories to come here 615 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 6: And we got them.