WEBVTT - Cowboys Break: Expectations Changed?

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<v Speaker 1>The following. He's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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<v Speaker 1>and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Are you ready for

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<v Speaker 1>a break? Yes? Are you ready for a break? Absolutely?

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<v Speaker 1>Ready for a break? Yeah? And so much for that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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<v Speaker 1>with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton.

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<v Speaker 1>It is Monday, November twenty third, twenty twenty, season sixteen,

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<v Speaker 1>episode number sixty nine. Welcome to the latest edition of

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<v Speaker 1>The Break Live and the s WBC Morgan Studios at

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<v Speaker 1>the Stars Thanksgiving week. But before we get to Thanksgiving,

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<v Speaker 1>we got to talk about the Cowboys big win yesterday.

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<v Speaker 1>They get into the win column finally after a very

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<v Speaker 1>very multiple season so far. They win thirty one twenty

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<v Speaker 1>eight to the Minnesota Vikings. And as we start usually

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<v Speaker 1>on Mondays, I'm going to go around the table and

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<v Speaker 1>get the big storyline of the game. Nick, let's start

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<v Speaker 1>with you. What was the biggest storyline coming out of

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<v Speaker 1>this game for you? They hit their ass. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>they hit them from the start. I mean they from

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<v Speaker 1>the start. They were hitting them in the mouth. They

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<v Speaker 1>some of them was was, you know, causing turnovers but

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<v Speaker 1>I mean even some of them didn't was on their touchdowns.

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<v Speaker 1>But either way, the Cowboys defense was physical from the

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<v Speaker 1>very beginning, and I thought that was that was just

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<v Speaker 1>evident the whole game, and I think I think it

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<v Speaker 1>just kind of carried on throughout the both sides of

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<v Speaker 1>the ball. But I think just the physicality of it

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<v Speaker 1>was something we hadn't seen. You know, it's interesting before

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<v Speaker 1>we get to Amber and Dave, I was thinking about

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<v Speaker 1>that a little early, how physical that game was. How

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<v Speaker 1>much do you think that affects them going into a

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<v Speaker 1>game where you have a short week and you got

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<v Speaker 1>to turn your body around to play on Thursday. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it helps when you win. I mean I think it

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<v Speaker 1>feels better if you if you get a win like that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but we'll find out. But I mean it's still a

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<v Speaker 1>young team for the most part, so I think I

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<v Speaker 1>think we'll see how it goes on Thursday. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>they're not playing a great team over there, so I

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<v Speaker 1>mean they might have a chance to still win, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it could affect them. Amber, what was the big storyline

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<v Speaker 1>for you? Well, I hope they're not hyping me up

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<v Speaker 1>for nothing. I hope they maintained this hype because otherwise,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my god. But I think that after this game,

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<v Speaker 1>seeing what they were able to do, it's like one

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<v Speaker 1>of those things that, well, maybe they can go ahead

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<v Speaker 1>and win the rest of this thing and win the

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<v Speaker 1>NFC is if they keep playing the way that they

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<v Speaker 1>did in the game last night. So it was just

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<v Speaker 1>good to finally see an offense that wasn't perfect, but

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<v Speaker 1>that was able to move the chains and get into

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<v Speaker 1>the end zone. And as well as the defense, the

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<v Speaker 1>defense that was bringing the fire again, not super consistent

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<v Speaker 1>throughout the full whole game, but consistent in the moments

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<v Speaker 1>that they needed it the most. So I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>one of those things that here we are and maybe

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<v Speaker 1>the Cowboys do win this whole thing, looking especially at

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of the schedule. Dave oh Amber, I just

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<v Speaker 1>love your I love your Monday user, I'm such a loser.

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<v Speaker 1>I just I love your Monday. No, I love your swings.

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<v Speaker 1>I love you know you're right back in it and

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<v Speaker 1>you should be. And that's so with the within the

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<v Speaker 1>game itself, I think my biggest takeaway is just that

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's probably the best we've seen the offensive line

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<v Speaker 1>play all season. Um, you know, one hundred and eighty

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<v Speaker 1>rushing yards, easily their best total of the day. Zeke

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<v Speaker 1>looked much more like the zeke that we want to see.

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<v Speaker 1>Tony Pollard obviously had some success, Dalton only got hit

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<v Speaker 1>one time. You give yourself a chance to win if

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<v Speaker 1>your offensive line plays that way, and then you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I said all last week that I thought that was

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<v Speaker 1>a litmus test, And if they are capable of playing

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<v Speaker 1>that way for the final six games, they've got a

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<v Speaker 1>chance to win probably all of them. I'm not saying

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<v Speaker 1>they will win all of them, but they should be

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<v Speaker 1>in all six of those games if they play the

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<v Speaker 1>way they played yesterday, which obviously gives them chance to

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<v Speaker 1>win the division, as crazy as that sounds. So here's

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<v Speaker 1>a big question, and I think all fans out there

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<v Speaker 1>listening are probably wrestling with a little bit this morning.

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<v Speaker 1>How much, if at all, does this game and what

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<v Speaker 1>they were able to do yesterday change your expectations of

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<v Speaker 1>this team for the season. And I'm going to start

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<v Speaker 1>with you the expectations. I don't think it really changes

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<v Speaker 1>the expectations for me, because, again, based on everything that

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<v Speaker 1>we've seen this year, it's like one of those things

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<v Speaker 1>that you gotta see it to believe it at this point,

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<v Speaker 1>and yes, it was great to see what they were

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<v Speaker 1>able to do and now we can see what they

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<v Speaker 1>can possibly do. But as far as the expectations go,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't I don't think my expectations have really changed much,

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<v Speaker 1>although I just got done saying that I think that

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<v Speaker 1>they can win the rest of this thing. But at

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<v Speaker 1>the same time, it's just like you've seen both sides

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<v Speaker 1>now and it's just can they maintain that kind of

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<v Speaker 1>con insistency. Can they actually find consistency in the second

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<v Speaker 1>half of the season, And do I expect that? Not really,

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<v Speaker 1>but I now have hope again that they can do that. So, um,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what to tell you as far as expectations.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just kind of just kind of there, like I

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<v Speaker 1>need to see it as we go. Dave, I think

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<v Speaker 1>I think the expectation is just I think you can,

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<v Speaker 1>based on this game, you can expect them to be

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<v Speaker 1>a competent football team for the last six weeks, which,

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<v Speaker 1>like I feel like maybe that sounds ridiculous, but what

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<v Speaker 1>I mean by that is the expectation changes from you know, Derek,

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<v Speaker 1>if you had said to me on Friday, oh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe they win this game, maybe they get on a roll.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe you know, maybe they go eight and eight. I

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<v Speaker 1>would say, I would say, Derek, stop it, stop being stupid.

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<v Speaker 1>That's ridiculous based on what we've seen. I can't I

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<v Speaker 1>can't say that anymore, not with a straight face. And

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<v Speaker 1>a big part of that is what's left on the schedule. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>you know they don't they're not playing any more good teams.

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<v Speaker 1>Baltimore is the best team left on the schedule, and

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<v Speaker 1>Baltimore's lost three of four. So if they play that

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<v Speaker 1>way against the quality of the opposition that's in front

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<v Speaker 1>of them, which is not good, then they've got a

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<v Speaker 1>chance to win a lot of games. So my expectation

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<v Speaker 1>for what they're capable of achieving has not changed. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>this team's not gonna win the super Bowl. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I think you probably you probably have to put the

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<v Speaker 1>tanking conversation on the back burner if they're going to

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<v Speaker 1>play that way against the teams that are left on

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<v Speaker 1>the schedule. I guess that's that's the difference. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>the expectation is that they'll play well or be in

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<v Speaker 1>these games. You know that, Like Dave said, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they the schedule favors them at this point. I think

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<v Speaker 1>the schedule favors the Cowboys more than any other team

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<v Speaker 1>in the division. But I mean, they've won three games

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<v Speaker 1>this year. They have not been winning at the two

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<v Speaker 1>minute warning at any of those three games. They've had

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<v Speaker 1>to have, you know, come from behind wins just to

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<v Speaker 1>get three. Uh. You know, Dalton's pass should could have

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<v Speaker 1>been intercepted on the on the you know, on the

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<v Speaker 1>goal line there. They needed a fourth down to save it.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's not like they, you know, we could have

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<v Speaker 1>we could be sitting here talking about two and eighteen.

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<v Speaker 1>We're not because you know, the Cowboys did enough and

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<v Speaker 1>they took that game. They won it. They definitely earned it.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm just saying, you know, the way that they're playing,

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<v Speaker 1>there's gonna be some some games that they lose, probably

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<v Speaker 1>that they shouldn't. So my expectations is that this roller

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<v Speaker 1>coaster ride is gonna have more flips and it more turns.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I just hope everyone, you know, no one

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<v Speaker 1>falls off. But I mean I think for the most part,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's gonna be a wild ride to the end.

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<v Speaker 1>But you did nothing about yesterday changed what you expect

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<v Speaker 1>or what you think this team is capable of. No,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean obviously I didn't. You know, No, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think they're They're not a great football team, but you

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<v Speaker 1>don't have to be great to make to win, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the division this year. So I think that they you

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<v Speaker 1>could just tell that the excitement level and the relief

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<v Speaker 1>of finally getting a win. I mean, it was it

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<v Speaker 1>was a very excited locker room, excited plane ride and

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<v Speaker 1>stuff like that. They were they were excited because I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>they've been taking a lot of beatings here for a while. No,

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<v Speaker 1>And and I heard you say this morning on the radio,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not just beatings they've been taking on the field.

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<v Speaker 1>They've been taking a beating in Dallas. They've been taking

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<v Speaker 1>a beating with the media. They've been taking a beating

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<v Speaker 1>with fans like every and by the way, it's probably

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<v Speaker 1>due because of how they've played so far right and

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, and the media and fans are setting them

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<v Speaker 1>up for a trap. You know how that well, because

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<v Speaker 1>you they the people that say they should tank and

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<v Speaker 1>all that are the first ones that'll jump with their

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<v Speaker 1>ass if they actually did, you know, if they actually quit,

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<v Speaker 1>that's what people will talk about even though they want to.

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<v Speaker 1>They think they want to hire draft back. But if

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<v Speaker 1>they actually did quit on the team and quit on

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<v Speaker 1>themselves and didn't really win, didn't play hard, they you know,

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<v Speaker 1>those coaches and those players would be the first ones

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<v Speaker 1>criticized by the same people that probably want to hide

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<v Speaker 1>draft big. So you don't fall into it, you don't

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<v Speaker 1>worry about it. You just go out and you play,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know they're gonna win some games, they're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>lose some and we'll see if it's good enough. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>just to be clear, just to be fair, I think

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of those people are wanting what they call

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<v Speaker 1>organic tanking. They want them to play well, they want

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<v Speaker 1>them to play hard, but just the they want the

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<v Speaker 1>everything to fall at the end of the game to

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<v Speaker 1>where they don't win, but to be as you were

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<v Speaker 1>saying last week though, when it came down and Dave

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<v Speaker 1>and I were sitting across from each other watching this game,

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<v Speaker 1>and both of us said the same thing. When it

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<v Speaker 1>came down that last drive, it was like, Okay, so

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<v Speaker 1>at this one, who are you rooting for? What are

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<v Speaker 1>you rooting for? If you're a fan at this point

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<v Speaker 1>in the game, like you at the point when they

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<v Speaker 1>needed to get a score in order to take the

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<v Speaker 1>lead and win, and then at the point when they

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<v Speaker 1>needed to get a stop, like, what are you rooting

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<v Speaker 1>for at that point? And I'm hard pressed to think

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<v Speaker 1>there were fans out there that were really rooting for

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<v Speaker 1>them to lose at that point. That's one that you

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<v Speaker 1>just kind of deal with the next day and you're like, man,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how much that win helped us, but

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<v Speaker 1>it felt good last week. Yeah, all right, we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>take an early first break. When we come back. We're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna get into some of our moments that mattered. Each

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<v Speaker 1>of these guys are gonna tell you a moment from

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<v Speaker 1>the game that really made a difference in the game. Later,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll get into some performance reviews. There are a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of players that we need to point out they had

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<v Speaker 1>really really good days yesterday. We'll start well that when

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<v Speaker 1>talking about the cowboys big win yesterday they beat the

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<v Speaker 1>Minnesota Vikings thirty one, twenty eight. Now they start turning

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<v Speaker 1>their attention towards the Washington football team, who will be

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<v Speaker 1>here at AT and T Stadium this Thursday, Thanksgiving Day game.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll get into that tomorrow and Wednesday. We'll actually have

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<v Speaker 1>Bucky Brooks on with us on those two days to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about the Washington football team's offense and their defense

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<v Speaker 1>and start getting you guys ready for that game on Thursday.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's focus back on this game yesterday, though, and let's

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<v Speaker 1>jump into some of the moments that mattered. Let's start

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<v Speaker 1>first with you, Dave, what was the biggest moment that

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<v Speaker 1>mattered for you in that game? You know, there's a

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<v Speaker 1>lots and shoots from but how about how about Donovan

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<v Speaker 1>Wilson's second forced fumble, you know, the one that snuffed

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<v Speaker 1>out the Vikings drive there at the end of the

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<v Speaker 1>first half. It led to it. It It led to a

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<v Speaker 1>Cowboys field goal, did it not. Yeah, it leads to

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<v Speaker 1>them taking a two possession lead going into halftime. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>you know the Vikings fought back and negated that, but

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<v Speaker 1>it still helps you set the tone for the second half,

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<v Speaker 1>the sense that you know, you have this two possession

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<v Speaker 1>lead that you can protect. And I think everybody in

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<v Speaker 1>the world probably thought the Vikings were gonna go I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously get at least three, but maybe even get six

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<v Speaker 1>the way that their offense was starting to get rolling.

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<v Speaker 1>And maybe I'm biased too because it was just so

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<v Speaker 1>much fun to see a safety make a play like that,

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<v Speaker 1>But that kind of it was the opposite of what

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<v Speaker 1>you expect to happen watching this team, like the Cowboys

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<v Speaker 1>don't make plays like that, and not, like I said, now,

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<v Speaker 1>only did it kill a Vikings scoring opportunity, but it

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<v Speaker 1>led to some pretty I mean, it led to three

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<v Speaker 1>points in a game that you won by three. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's probably where I go. Yeah, that was a

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<v Speaker 1>huge play. And I actually want to talk about We're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna talk about Donovan Wilson a little later in the show,

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<v Speaker 1>just what he's meant to this defense really over these

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<v Speaker 1>last two weeks. Has been two games now that he's

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<v Speaker 1>had a really, really a big impact on the game,

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<v Speaker 1>much bigger of an impact than we've seen from safeties

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<v Speaker 1>with this team in a long time. Nick, what was

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<v Speaker 1>your moment that matter? I'll go a little bit before that.

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<v Speaker 1>In the second quarter, you know, the Vikings had a

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<v Speaker 1>fake punt and they converted and they got down to

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<v Speaker 1>the Cowboys thirty three yard line, and the course of

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<v Speaker 1>penalty brought him back. And then the next thing, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the same guy who made that catch, Chris Boyd, he

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<v Speaker 1>ends up getting a penalty after the next punt. So,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, at ten o six to go in the

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<v Speaker 1>second quarter, the Vikings look like they've got the ball

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<v Speaker 1>in the Cowboys thirty three. At nine fifty six to go,

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<v Speaker 1>the Cowboys have the ball at their own forty eight.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it was a huge change. They go down

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<v Speaker 1>and score, so I thought, you know, it's a seven

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<v Speaker 1>to six game. The Vikings look like they keep it rolling.

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<v Speaker 1>Next thing, you know, the Cowboys have the ball and

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<v Speaker 1>they go score. I thought that was a huge flipping

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<v Speaker 1>of the field. Go back with me to that the

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<v Speaker 1>play before the fake punt. What were they What was

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<v Speaker 1>Dallas Dallas doing there because it didn't seem like I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know why the guy shifted down as though he

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<v Speaker 1>were gonna gonna go and try to get the punt.

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<v Speaker 1>It just seemed like a bad decision to leave that

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<v Speaker 1>guy to sitting out there because all he did was

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<v Speaker 1>basically raised his hand. Now, he moved around more than

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<v Speaker 1>he should have, but if he wouldn't have moved and

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<v Speaker 1>just kind of sayd hey, do you see this? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>like that's an easy conversion. Something seemed off with that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it did seem often. I asked a little bit of

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<v Speaker 1>people about it, and I got different answers because one

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<v Speaker 1>of the somebody said that, yeah, the coaches knew that

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<v Speaker 1>it was an illegal formation, so they said go ahead

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<v Speaker 1>and send it because because he knew, because they knew

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<v Speaker 1>that they're not lined upright and they're gonna call it.

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<v Speaker 1>Plus their yelling in the guy's ear that that was

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<v Speaker 1>the call. So I don't know if that's the case

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<v Speaker 1>or I've seen that before. They just kind of clamp

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<v Speaker 1>in and hope to block the punt. But I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Dabball I think is supposed to get over. I have

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<v Speaker 1>a hard time. This is a team that has messed up.

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<v Speaker 1>How many dudes they have on the field on special

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<v Speaker 1>teams a couple of times this year, Like that is impressive.

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<v Speaker 1>If they knew that the Vikings were lined up illegally

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<v Speaker 1>in the moment, like just in the moment they were like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he's lined up wrong, so go try to go get

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<v Speaker 1>the punt. Like, I'm not saying it's impossible, but I'm dubious.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm very dubious. I think it's it's stemmed from the

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<v Speaker 1>play before the punt before they weren't lined up right.

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<v Speaker 1>They're telling the officials that they see it again, they

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<v Speaker 1>just go after and try to block it because nothing's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna nothing bad's gonna happen. Yeah, you know, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not necessarily buying it because both of the gunners went.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's not like just that guy from that sideline

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<v Speaker 1>hearing the coaches ain't go go go. That both went,

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<v Speaker 1>so that was a called play. Yeah, it just seems

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<v Speaker 1>like it's a bad design because that seems like that's

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<v Speaker 1>something easy. And I would assume most special teams, most

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<v Speaker 1>punt units know, hey, if you got a guy out

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<v Speaker 1>there sitting out there, you're gonna basically the pun isna

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<v Speaker 1>just throw it to him. Yeah, exactly, because there's no

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<v Speaker 1>harm in doing that midfield right. It just didn't That

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<v Speaker 1>didn't seem like a well thought out decision. That was

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<v Speaker 1>a decided play that they wanted to run there. That

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<v Speaker 1>was a moment that mattered it definitely was a moment

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<v Speaker 1>that mattered. Amber what was the moment that matter for you? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>that was what I was gonna choose as well. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>even though it was still very early in the game,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that that decision that benefited the Cowboys. The

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<v Speaker 1>flag up benefited the Cowboys was huge because we know

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<v Speaker 1>how plays like that can easily shift and change the

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<v Speaker 1>momentum of a game. But if I had to pick

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<v Speaker 1>something else from the game, I mean, there were many

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<v Speaker 1>things and many players that definitely stood out during this

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<v Speaker 1>game that made really big things for the Cowboys. But

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<v Speaker 1>I gotta give a shout out to see Lamb and

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<v Speaker 1>that amazing catch that he had in the end zone.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I don't think any one thought that he

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<v Speaker 1>was gonna get that. As I watched it, I definitely thought, oh, man,

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<v Speaker 1>here's Andy Dalton. He overthrew that and then next thing,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, freaking ceedee. Lamb turns with this whole body

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<v Speaker 1>and falls on the ground with the ball in his hands.

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<v Speaker 1>So that was an absolutely big moment for the Cowboys there. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that play, I don't know. That catch was just amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>His ability to be able to contort his body find

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<v Speaker 1>the ball track the ball and then make the catch.

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<v Speaker 1>Not a lot of NFL wide receivers can do that,

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<v Speaker 1>and his ability to do that, it just shows you

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<v Speaker 1>why the Cowboys, even though they didn't need a receiver,

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<v Speaker 1>and you can argue there were a lot of positions

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<v Speaker 1>they could have taken that would have been better suited

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<v Speaker 1>for them at the time, they had to jump on

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<v Speaker 1>the pick to get Ceedee Lamb because he is a

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<v Speaker 1>he is he is looking more and more like the

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<v Speaker 1>kind of player that is that is going to have

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<v Speaker 1>a very long and a very very successful career. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought he was amazing, and not just on that.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought he had I love the way they used

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<v Speaker 1>him yesterday. They were running the ball with him and

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<v Speaker 1>baking you know, runs with him, and he was very

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<v Speaker 1>physical too. He had some plays in there. He was

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<v Speaker 1>running over people in that one run, that one catch

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<v Speaker 1>where he fought for extra yards. I thought that was

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<v Speaker 1>a really pivotal play. So I just really liked what

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<v Speaker 1>they It was almost like they took the bye week

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<v Speaker 1>to say, wait a second, he's our first round pick.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's utilize this guy in more ways. And we saw it.

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<v Speaker 1>You have some of you are about to say, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I was just gonna say they might not have needed

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<v Speaker 1>a receiver, but they needed Lamb, Like, yeah, you can't

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<v Speaker 1>order to pass on that. And thank god they didn't

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<v Speaker 1>because sixteen other teams are sixteen because you know, teams

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<v Speaker 1>took some quarterbacks that look really good. But there's a

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<v Speaker 1>few teams right now that feels stupid for letting that.

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<v Speaker 1>There's no doubt in my mind's I actually he made

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<v Speaker 1>that catch in training camp, like maybe the fourth day,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe the fourth day of camp, he did something very similar,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, Mike McCarthy wouldn't let us know anything

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<v Speaker 1>or show anything, and I remember being really frustrated that

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<v Speaker 1>not more people were going to get to see what

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<v Speaker 1>he did. Oh, it's nice that he'd managed to do

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<v Speaker 1>that in a game and just let everybody know like

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<v Speaker 1>he's the real deal. That was. Yeah, he's awesome. Every

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<v Speaker 1>GAP fan should be really excited that he's here for

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<v Speaker 1>the long term. Yeah, he just decided to do it

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<v Speaker 1>for national audience rather than just you guys out at

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<v Speaker 1>training camp practice. You know, I'll throughout this other play too.

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<v Speaker 1>It was fourth and one. It was another CD Lamb play,

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<v Speaker 1>that fourth and one jet sweep where he picks up

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<v Speaker 1>the first down that was in the second quarter, about

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<v Speaker 1>seven minutes left, But that was a huge play for them.

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<v Speaker 1>And really yesterday they were pretty aggressive when it came

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<v Speaker 1>to fourth downs. They went forward three different times and

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<v Speaker 1>converted two of them. What were your thoughts on just

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<v Speaker 1>their ability to be aggressive yesterday And not only that,

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<v Speaker 1>but they did some things just from a play calling standpoint,

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<v Speaker 1>like you said, Nick, that were a little different to

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<v Speaker 1>pick up some of those first downs. Yeah, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>the touchdown. Both touchdowns were plays that we hadn't really

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<v Speaker 1>seen a lot of. The one, I mean not both touchdowns. First,

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<v Speaker 1>the first one to Ze throwing it out there, and

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<v Speaker 1>then the one to Schultz. Schultz actually said to me,

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<v Speaker 1>and you guys would laugh if you knew where I

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<v Speaker 1>interviewed Chiltz. But he, uh, bust bathroom, bust bathroom. No, no,

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<v Speaker 1>the plane play bathroom, bathroom close to the bathroom, not

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<v Speaker 1>not in the bathroom. Y. Yeah, everyone's looking up there

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<v Speaker 1>like what's going You know, it all helps when you win,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you win, no one really cares. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he said, they've been working on that for about four

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<v Speaker 1>weeks now, and I'm thinking, well, you've lost four games

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<v Speaker 1>at row why not whipping it out? I mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm talking about talking about the play obviously, not anything

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<v Speaker 1>else by the bathroom. But I think it was a

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<v Speaker 1>good um. I think it was obviously a just just

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<v Speaker 1>a dynamic type of play call. And Kellen Moore should

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<v Speaker 1>get a lot of credit for that game he did.

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<v Speaker 1>He did a really nice job ball game he did.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you have something we're about to say, Dave? I

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<v Speaker 1>heard somebody saying, I just I was, well, I was

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<v Speaker 1>really I was muttering under my breath about Nick's um

0:21:57.400 --> 0:22:01.280
<v Speaker 1>plane to plane humor bathroom humor. But sorry, no, I

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<v Speaker 1>completely agreed. I just remember I was so frustrated and

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<v Speaker 1>stupefied that they would try to line up and run

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<v Speaker 1>right up the gut on third and one with such

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<v Speaker 1>a compromised offensive line. I mean, there was no chance

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<v Speaker 1>that was going to work. And then on fourth down

0:22:20.720 --> 0:22:23.280
<v Speaker 1>they ran the jet sweep to CD, which I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like I've been begging for more of that for not

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<v Speaker 1>just this season, literally for like three years. So it

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<v Speaker 1>was really exciting that they dusted that off right there.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't I don't think you need to wait until

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<v Speaker 1>fourth and one to do that. You should probably do

0:22:36.640 --> 0:22:40.000
<v Speaker 1>it five or six times a game in all sorts

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<v Speaker 1>of different situations, but it's a step in the right direction.

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<v Speaker 1>That was really exciting. Yeah, it was good to see

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<v Speaker 1>the combination of play calling and execution because I think

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<v Speaker 1>that throughout the season we've seen moments where Kellen Moore

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<v Speaker 1>has had some interesting play calling that had the Cowboys

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<v Speaker 1>been able to execute on the field, it would have

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<v Speaker 1>been great. But that's been the problem. They haven't been

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<v Speaker 1>necessarily able to combine the two and make it work.

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<v Speaker 1>So finally we get to see a game where the

0:23:09.800 --> 0:23:12.040
<v Speaker 1>play Collie was good and then you get the combination

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<v Speaker 1>of execution and actually seeing it work on the field.

0:23:15.760 --> 0:23:20.000
<v Speaker 1>So that was that was a good thing, and that

0:23:20.080 --> 0:23:23.160
<v Speaker 1>and that's why I might be getting a little excited

0:23:23.200 --> 0:23:25.000
<v Speaker 1>for the rest of the season. I don't want to.

0:23:25.119 --> 0:23:28.680
<v Speaker 1>I want to stop myself here, but but it was good.

0:23:28.920 --> 0:23:32.199
<v Speaker 1>It feels good. Water tasted better yesterday when I was

0:23:32.200 --> 0:23:35.560
<v Speaker 1>watching the game. So yeah, it feels good when the

0:23:35.600 --> 0:23:37.919
<v Speaker 1>Cowboys win. Hey, by the end of the show, hopeless

0:23:38.080 --> 0:23:41.720
<v Speaker 1>but conce herself that this is a super Bowl team.

0:23:41.760 --> 0:23:45.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm telling you, she is moving quickly in that direction.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, That water tasted better? Well, the water tasted

0:23:50.680 --> 0:23:54.560
<v Speaker 1>better that happens did your team's winning, everything seems a

0:23:54.600 --> 0:23:57.080
<v Speaker 1>little bit better, right, Like, like I can talk on

0:23:57.200 --> 0:24:00.440
<v Speaker 1>who said that after five minutes ago. All Right, here's

0:24:00.440 --> 0:24:02.359
<v Speaker 1>what we're gonna do. We're gonna take our final break.

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<v Speaker 1>When we come back, I want to talk about Zach

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<v Speaker 1>Martin and how great he is and how much he

0:24:06.800 --> 0:24:09.560
<v Speaker 1>meant to this team and the biggest question, why the

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<v Speaker 1>heck did it take until this week for the Cowboys

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<v Speaker 1>to realize how great he is and how much he

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<v Speaker 1>could mean to this team. We'll do that when we

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<v Speaker 1>reviews now. We got some players we got to talk about,

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<v Speaker 1>and I want to start with Zach Mardin. We found

0:26:59.359 --> 0:27:03.000
<v Speaker 1>out a Sunday morning that Zach Martin was going to

0:27:03.119 --> 0:27:06.879
<v Speaker 1>start at right Tackle something that we have been talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>I know I've brought it up on this show as

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<v Speaker 1>a question for you guys at least at least seven

0:27:12.520 --> 0:27:15.439
<v Speaker 1>to eight times over the last month and a half,

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<v Speaker 1>just seeing you know what the thoughts are, Why isn't

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<v Speaker 1>he not being the guy that they want to put

0:27:20.160 --> 0:27:22.560
<v Speaker 1>out there. They were committed to Terrence still being the

0:27:22.640 --> 0:27:25.639
<v Speaker 1>right tackle him. Mike McCarthy went as far as Steven

0:27:25.720 --> 0:27:28.600
<v Speaker 1>say he even called it fantasy football nonsense. And when

0:27:28.640 --> 0:27:32.320
<v Speaker 1>being asked about the possibilities of moving I know right

0:27:32.600 --> 0:27:36.119
<v Speaker 1>the possibility of moving Zach Martin to right tackle, but

0:27:36.280 --> 0:27:38.680
<v Speaker 1>they make the decision to do it. They put Steel

0:27:38.760 --> 0:27:40.639
<v Speaker 1>on the bench. They put mc governor at right guard,

0:27:40.640 --> 0:27:43.119
<v Speaker 1>which again is what we've all been asking for, and

0:27:43.240 --> 0:27:45.680
<v Speaker 1>as a result, the offensive line gives up one sack.

0:27:46.119 --> 0:27:48.400
<v Speaker 1>They have one of their best rushing days that they've

0:27:48.400 --> 0:27:50.520
<v Speaker 1>had the season. Zeke goes twenty one rushes for one

0:27:50.600 --> 0:27:53.080
<v Speaker 1>hundred and three yards a four point nine average. Paula

0:27:53.160 --> 0:27:56.959
<v Speaker 1>goes five for sixty twelve yard average, and he at

0:27:57.040 --> 0:28:02.080
<v Speaker 1>big forty two yard touchdown run. So the question is

0:28:02.080 --> 0:28:04.920
<v Speaker 1>his first question is is this proof that McCarthy should

0:28:04.920 --> 0:28:11.119
<v Speaker 1>have made this move weeks ago? Let's start first, you Dave, Yeah, absolutely,

0:28:11.200 --> 0:28:14.960
<v Speaker 1>it's proof everybody knew that he already did this. That's

0:28:14.960 --> 0:28:18.560
<v Speaker 1>what made this whole thing frustrating. Zach Martin already did

0:28:18.600 --> 0:28:21.840
<v Speaker 1>this in Week three. Necessity dictated that they throw him

0:28:21.880 --> 0:28:24.760
<v Speaker 1>out there. He handled it just fine, he played great.

0:28:25.160 --> 0:28:29.560
<v Speaker 1>And then you know, Mike McCarthy had the audacity to

0:28:29.600 --> 0:28:32.080
<v Speaker 1>call it fantasy football nonsense, that a Hall of Football

0:28:32.280 --> 0:28:35.880
<v Speaker 1>Hall of Fame caliber player couldn't make that switch. It

0:28:35.920 --> 0:28:39.040
<v Speaker 1>was insulting then, and it's kind of vindicating to see

0:28:39.440 --> 0:28:43.320
<v Speaker 1>Zach Martin ball out like we all knew he would. Yeah,

0:28:43.360 --> 0:28:45.920
<v Speaker 1>I mean, everybody knew this should have happened a long

0:28:45.920 --> 0:28:47.760
<v Speaker 1>time ago. You want to put your five best players

0:28:47.760 --> 0:28:51.440
<v Speaker 1>on the field. This gave him an opportunity to do so.

0:28:51.520 --> 0:28:54.840
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I don't know why they waited so long.

0:28:54.880 --> 0:28:56.880
<v Speaker 1>I guess I would probably chalk it up to arrogance

0:28:57.080 --> 0:29:01.600
<v Speaker 1>or insistence on trying to develop a swing tackle. And

0:29:01.760 --> 0:29:03.640
<v Speaker 1>Terrence Steele. You know, maybe if you're looking at the

0:29:03.680 --> 0:29:06.480
<v Speaker 1>big picture, the more reps he can get, the more

0:29:06.680 --> 0:29:08.560
<v Speaker 1>chance he has to be a viable player for you

0:29:08.640 --> 0:29:11.320
<v Speaker 1>in the future. But if you're trying to win games

0:29:11.320 --> 0:29:13.400
<v Speaker 1>and stay in the division hunt, like the Cowboys have

0:29:13.440 --> 0:29:15.520
<v Speaker 1>said a million times that they are, this is something

0:29:15.520 --> 0:29:18.320
<v Speaker 1>you should have done a month ago. Nick, Well, I

0:29:18.680 --> 0:29:21.880
<v Speaker 1>think that this has nothing to do with Zach Martin

0:29:22.000 --> 0:29:24.160
<v Speaker 1>as much as it does with the guards, you know,

0:29:24.200 --> 0:29:27.360
<v Speaker 1>like getting the five best guys and them to realize

0:29:27.400 --> 0:29:31.080
<v Speaker 1>that that is McGovern better for them? Is he is

0:29:31.120 --> 0:29:35.600
<v Speaker 1>he better than playing steel outside and Zach Martin at

0:29:35.640 --> 0:29:38.160
<v Speaker 1>is natural position. Now that's what we think is a

0:29:38.240 --> 0:29:40.200
<v Speaker 1>natural position is because he's played it for six years.

0:29:40.720 --> 0:29:43.000
<v Speaker 1>I kind of think he could do anything, really might

0:29:43.040 --> 0:29:46.480
<v Speaker 1>be able to play fullback. But I just think that

0:29:46.720 --> 0:29:49.320
<v Speaker 1>it was more about McGovern and I and I said

0:29:49.320 --> 0:29:52.200
<v Speaker 1>it about a couple weeks ago when we did we

0:29:52.280 --> 0:29:54.800
<v Speaker 1>did an article about which young player do you want

0:29:54.800 --> 0:29:57.080
<v Speaker 1>to see more down the stretch, and my choice was

0:29:57.160 --> 0:29:59.200
<v Speaker 1>mcgoverned because you got to figure this out. As a

0:29:59.240 --> 0:30:02.240
<v Speaker 1>third round pick, he's gotta play, and so this is

0:30:02.240 --> 0:30:04.560
<v Speaker 1>the best way to get him on the field to play.

0:30:04.640 --> 0:30:07.160
<v Speaker 1>So I think it was all about McGovern and getting

0:30:07.240 --> 0:30:09.640
<v Speaker 1>him in and I'm curious to see how he grades out.

0:30:09.720 --> 0:30:11.520
<v Speaker 1>I thought he played pretty well. I know some of

0:30:11.560 --> 0:30:13.880
<v Speaker 1>those big runs were on the right side with him

0:30:13.880 --> 0:30:16.560
<v Speaker 1>and Zach Martin both, so he didn't seem like he

0:30:16.600 --> 0:30:18.920
<v Speaker 1>was a problem to me. So I thought it's great

0:30:18.920 --> 0:30:20.840
<v Speaker 1>that Zach Martin can do that, but I think it

0:30:20.880 --> 0:30:24.520
<v Speaker 1>was about McGovern and today's point. I mean, he played

0:30:24.560 --> 0:30:26.920
<v Speaker 1>the Washington game, so maybe he could have kept playing.

0:30:27.000 --> 0:30:29.320
<v Speaker 1>They could have done this before, but you know, Zack

0:30:29.360 --> 0:30:31.440
<v Speaker 1>Martin was coming back and all that. I think this

0:30:31.520 --> 0:30:33.800
<v Speaker 1>is probably this the best time to do that. Amber.

0:30:37.600 --> 0:30:41.440
<v Speaker 1>I think, I mean, we've everything that they just said,

0:30:41.480 --> 0:30:43.920
<v Speaker 1>and we've been saying it that we wanted to see

0:30:44.000 --> 0:30:47.360
<v Speaker 1>this change for a long time. But I think it

0:30:47.560 --> 0:30:51.680
<v Speaker 1>maybe simplified it this time around, because now you knew

0:30:51.720 --> 0:30:53.720
<v Speaker 1>that you had Joe Looney in the center because you

0:30:53.720 --> 0:30:56.920
<v Speaker 1>had to move Biadish to the injury reserve. So that's

0:30:57.080 --> 0:31:00.480
<v Speaker 1>one move there. Then you've seen you've had a few

0:31:00.520 --> 0:31:04.160
<v Speaker 1>games where you've gone to see Connor McGovern at guard,

0:31:04.240 --> 0:31:07.520
<v Speaker 1>so you know he's very capable of handling that position.

0:31:07.600 --> 0:31:10.680
<v Speaker 1>So at this point I think that maybe maybe and

0:31:10.720 --> 0:31:13.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm just trying to find some kind of reasoning as

0:31:13.040 --> 0:31:15.800
<v Speaker 1>to why they waited this long, but maybe this was

0:31:15.840 --> 0:31:18.160
<v Speaker 1>one of those things that looking at your line at

0:31:18.200 --> 0:31:21.240
<v Speaker 1>this point, you actually only need to make one move,

0:31:21.320 --> 0:31:25.000
<v Speaker 1>and that's moving your all pro guard to tackle. Other

0:31:25.080 --> 0:31:27.360
<v Speaker 1>than that, you're not really messing with the rest of

0:31:27.400 --> 0:31:31.320
<v Speaker 1>the line, and we've known that sach Martin. If any

0:31:31.320 --> 0:31:34.120
<v Speaker 1>guy can be moved at any point without needing a

0:31:34.200 --> 0:31:37.640
<v Speaker 1>whole bye week to adjust and do all that is

0:31:37.680 --> 0:31:42.200
<v Speaker 1>Sich Martin. So I'm just glad that at least they

0:31:42.240 --> 0:31:44.960
<v Speaker 1>made it happen finally. It took a really long time,

0:31:45.000 --> 0:31:48.000
<v Speaker 1>and maybe it did cost them a few games, maybe,

0:31:48.160 --> 0:31:50.880
<v Speaker 1>But at the same time, based on the results that

0:31:50.960 --> 0:31:54.960
<v Speaker 1>we were able to see this yesterday, it's clear how

0:31:55.000 --> 0:31:56.960
<v Speaker 1>bad they needed to make this kind of move, and

0:31:57.000 --> 0:32:00.560
<v Speaker 1>it's clear how much of a help or how big

0:32:00.720 --> 0:32:02.800
<v Speaker 1>or how much of a need you need your like

0:32:03.160 --> 0:32:05.920
<v Speaker 1>offensive line to be able to perform better, and how

0:32:05.920 --> 0:32:08.680
<v Speaker 1>it affects the rest of your offense as a whole.

0:32:09.160 --> 0:32:11.160
<v Speaker 1>One of the things that we've heard from McCarthy about

0:32:11.200 --> 0:32:14.000
<v Speaker 1>this on this subject was, and he's been consistent about this,

0:32:14.160 --> 0:32:17.360
<v Speaker 1>is he wants continuity on the offensive line. He thinks

0:32:17.400 --> 0:32:20.240
<v Speaker 1>the offensive line is bigger than just any one player

0:32:21.080 --> 0:32:23.800
<v Speaker 1>playing well or getting reps. He was saying he wanted

0:32:23.800 --> 0:32:26.440
<v Speaker 1>to continuity and it's about having all five as much

0:32:26.480 --> 0:32:29.560
<v Speaker 1>as you can have those guys playing together. Do you

0:32:29.600 --> 0:32:31.760
<v Speaker 1>think that maybe one of the reasons why they waited

0:32:31.800 --> 0:32:34.200
<v Speaker 1>so long to make the decision was because they were

0:32:34.240 --> 0:32:36.520
<v Speaker 1>waiting for the bye week. And maybe again we're not

0:32:36.600 --> 0:32:39.280
<v Speaker 1>able to see all of practice. Maybe at practice they

0:32:39.320 --> 0:32:41.240
<v Speaker 1>were doing some of these things a little bit to

0:32:41.240 --> 0:32:43.440
<v Speaker 1>start moving them in that direction. But the bye week

0:32:43.440 --> 0:32:45.760
<v Speaker 1>gave them the ability to really get a little bit

0:32:45.800 --> 0:32:48.880
<v Speaker 1>more continuity before they rolled it out. Nick, Yeah, I

0:32:48.880 --> 0:32:51.560
<v Speaker 1>think that that's what you do in the bye week,

0:32:51.720 --> 0:32:54.680
<v Speaker 1>is that you figure out different wrinkles you can have it. No,

0:32:54.680 --> 0:32:56.640
<v Speaker 1>of course, this is more than a wrinkle. This is

0:32:56.680 --> 0:32:58.680
<v Speaker 1>a big change on the line. But this is the

0:32:58.720 --> 0:33:01.040
<v Speaker 1>time that you make those changes. And and I don't

0:33:01.040 --> 0:33:03.680
<v Speaker 1>think it's a coincidence that that, you know, like like

0:33:03.760 --> 0:33:06.080
<v Speaker 1>Amber said, I mean, they kind of knew exactly what

0:33:06.120 --> 0:33:08.040
<v Speaker 1>they were going to have to do at center, and

0:33:08.600 --> 0:33:11.240
<v Speaker 1>so from there they just figured out this was this

0:33:11.320 --> 0:33:13.520
<v Speaker 1>was the best time. But I really think more than anything,

0:33:13.600 --> 0:33:16.640
<v Speaker 1>it was the development of McGovern and and the trust

0:33:16.680 --> 0:33:19.280
<v Speaker 1>in him, because now you know, it's a little different

0:33:19.280 --> 0:33:21.360
<v Speaker 1>for him when he when he started against Washington, he

0:33:21.360 --> 0:33:24.960
<v Speaker 1>had beadish and he had steel on the right side.

0:33:25.160 --> 0:33:29.040
<v Speaker 1>Then he plays this game. He's got Looney in Zack Martin. So, um,

0:33:29.080 --> 0:33:30.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, I think it allowed him to be more

0:33:31.000 --> 0:33:34.480
<v Speaker 1>comfortable too. But but you know, I'll say this, Let's

0:33:34.520 --> 0:33:37.880
<v Speaker 1>don't forget that that they haven't faced like a dominating

0:33:37.920 --> 0:33:40.600
<v Speaker 1>defensive line yet. I don't think Zach Martin's really faced

0:33:40.680 --> 0:33:45.880
<v Speaker 1>like this premier pass rusher and entered the Washington football team. Yeah,

0:33:45.880 --> 0:33:52.840
<v Speaker 1>he's about to amber. What do you think was the

0:33:52.960 --> 0:33:56.800
<v Speaker 1>question question was is it reasonable to assume that the

0:33:56.840 --> 0:33:59.440
<v Speaker 1>bye week gave them the ability to be able to

0:33:59.440 --> 0:34:03.120
<v Speaker 1>make this continuity and get the continuity that he's been

0:34:03.160 --> 0:34:07.840
<v Speaker 1>searching for. Well, I feel like, I mean, that's what

0:34:07.920 --> 0:34:12.000
<v Speaker 1>I kind of alluded to in my other response is, yeah,

0:34:12.040 --> 0:34:14.799
<v Speaker 1>the bye week, obviously it's always gonna help because it's

0:34:14.800 --> 0:34:16.680
<v Speaker 1>the time for you to take a step back and

0:34:16.719 --> 0:34:20.040
<v Speaker 1>rearrange and reevaluate things. But at the same time, like

0:34:20.080 --> 0:34:23.560
<v Speaker 1>I said, the only thing that I see is them

0:34:24.000 --> 0:34:26.799
<v Speaker 1>knowing that Tyler is out and now you kind of

0:34:26.800 --> 0:34:28.799
<v Speaker 1>have a better idea of the guys that you have

0:34:29.000 --> 0:34:32.319
<v Speaker 1>in your line and you're not really having to reshuffle

0:34:32.760 --> 0:34:36.759
<v Speaker 1>everyone around and it's more just one guy moving to

0:34:36.840 --> 0:34:41.160
<v Speaker 1>the outside. So obviously it's gonna help. And the fact

0:34:41.200 --> 0:34:45.440
<v Speaker 1>that everything that Nick just said about Connor McGovern and

0:34:45.480 --> 0:34:49.040
<v Speaker 1>then maybe having enough trust in him to this point

0:34:50.200 --> 0:34:52.799
<v Speaker 1>allow them to finally go ahead and make that move,

0:34:52.840 --> 0:34:54.960
<v Speaker 1>because when you when you look at the option, I mean,

0:34:55.000 --> 0:34:58.400
<v Speaker 1>who would you rather have a guard? A rookie like

0:34:58.520 --> 0:35:01.479
<v Speaker 1>McGovern or Zack Martin. Obviously it's going to be Sack Martin.

0:35:01.600 --> 0:35:03.440
<v Speaker 1>So at this point it's just good for them to

0:35:03.560 --> 0:35:08.120
<v Speaker 1>finally look at, Okay, who are our faith, sorry, our

0:35:08.640 --> 0:35:13.080
<v Speaker 1>five best guys, And that's exactly what they're doing. They

0:35:13.239 --> 0:35:16.720
<v Speaker 1>took out Terren Steele, which he has not been any

0:35:16.800 --> 0:35:19.600
<v Speaker 1>part of their best fives at all at any point

0:35:19.600 --> 0:35:22.160
<v Speaker 1>of this season. So I'm just glad that it's finally

0:35:22.480 --> 0:35:25.400
<v Speaker 1>happened to where they're like, okay, let's now at this

0:35:25.480 --> 0:35:28.920
<v Speaker 1>point actually try to have our best five out there

0:35:28.960 --> 0:35:34.560
<v Speaker 1>on the field. Dave, I think Nick's theory about McGovern

0:35:34.680 --> 0:35:37.560
<v Speaker 1>is pretty good and I like it. I still don't

0:35:37.560 --> 0:35:41.400
<v Speaker 1>think I buy it because you've got like nine You've

0:35:41.400 --> 0:35:43.799
<v Speaker 1>got nine games of tape on Terren Steele that tells

0:35:43.800 --> 0:35:46.920
<v Speaker 1>you it ain't working. Whereas even in the glimpses that

0:35:46.960 --> 0:35:49.440
<v Speaker 1>we saw of Connor McGovern, you kind of get the

0:35:49.440 --> 0:35:51.880
<v Speaker 1>sense that, Okay, maybe he can hold his own, especially

0:35:51.920 --> 0:35:56.240
<v Speaker 1>if he's got Zach Martin next to him, so maybe

0:35:56.239 --> 0:35:58.520
<v Speaker 1>that's part of it. No, the bye week thing doesn't

0:35:58.560 --> 0:36:02.120
<v Speaker 1>hold any water whatsoever in my opinion. They didn't practice

0:36:02.200 --> 0:36:04.319
<v Speaker 1>during the bye week because of the COVID issue with

0:36:04.360 --> 0:36:07.319
<v Speaker 1>the Steelers, so didn't practice, didn't get to do any

0:36:07.320 --> 0:36:10.680
<v Speaker 1>of this stuff. Zach said last night that they didn't

0:36:10.680 --> 0:36:12.719
<v Speaker 1>tell him he was moving to tackle until Monday when

0:36:12.719 --> 0:36:15.960
<v Speaker 1>they came back from the bye and he tweaked his calf,

0:36:16.120 --> 0:36:18.759
<v Speaker 1>so he was limited in practice going into this game.

0:36:19.120 --> 0:36:20.759
<v Speaker 1>He didn't get to do as much as he would

0:36:20.800 --> 0:36:23.920
<v Speaker 1>probably prefer in terms of on field reps. He's just

0:36:24.040 --> 0:36:26.520
<v Speaker 1>that much of a badass that he can step out

0:36:26.520 --> 0:36:29.640
<v Speaker 1>there on the right side with limited experience and hold

0:36:29.640 --> 0:36:33.080
<v Speaker 1>his own. So no, I don't think that's why. I think,

0:36:34.200 --> 0:36:36.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, for whatever reason, I don't know why, but

0:36:36.520 --> 0:36:38.400
<v Speaker 1>they were like, enough is enough and we've got to

0:36:38.400 --> 0:36:43.640
<v Speaker 1>do something. I mean, better late than never. But I

0:36:43.760 --> 0:36:47.560
<v Speaker 1>don't buy any sort of like grand epiphany that they

0:36:47.560 --> 0:36:49.919
<v Speaker 1>were like, this is why this makes sense right now.

0:36:50.320 --> 0:36:52.480
<v Speaker 1>I think it would have made just as much sense

0:36:52.920 --> 0:36:55.560
<v Speaker 1>three weeks ago, but at least they did it. My

0:36:55.680 --> 0:36:58.000
<v Speaker 1>personal opinion is I think this had everything to do

0:36:58.040 --> 0:37:01.160
<v Speaker 1>with this upcoming game. Think they wanted to do it

0:37:01.200 --> 0:37:03.680
<v Speaker 1>before they got to the Washington game because they knew

0:37:03.680 --> 0:37:05.880
<v Speaker 1>they were going to be facing the kind of players

0:37:05.920 --> 0:37:08.359
<v Speaker 1>where it would be more important for you to make

0:37:08.400 --> 0:37:12.160
<v Speaker 1>sure that you could show up the outside and uh.

0:37:12.239 --> 0:37:14.480
<v Speaker 1>And then I think they wanted to give Zach this

0:37:14.560 --> 0:37:17.400
<v Speaker 1>game where he didn't have that kind of matchup to

0:37:17.440 --> 0:37:19.560
<v Speaker 1>be able to kind of get used to it before

0:37:19.640 --> 0:37:22.319
<v Speaker 1>heading into the game against Washington. I personally believe that

0:37:22.440 --> 0:37:24.359
<v Speaker 1>has a lot to do with the timing on why

0:37:24.400 --> 0:37:28.160
<v Speaker 1>they decided to do it. Now, that's actually that's a

0:37:28.200 --> 0:37:30.920
<v Speaker 1>really good point. And you know, za Zack Martin is

0:37:30.960 --> 0:37:34.640
<v Speaker 1>a consummate professional with the media, like he's never he's

0:37:34.680 --> 0:37:37.920
<v Speaker 1>never gonna give you anything. I don't think it's a

0:37:37.920 --> 0:37:40.520
<v Speaker 1>complete coincidence. I know he heard his calf, but he

0:37:40.560 --> 0:37:43.600
<v Speaker 1>didn't talk to the media this week, and I just

0:37:43.760 --> 0:37:45.920
<v Speaker 1>I don't think that's a complete coincidence that they were

0:37:45.960 --> 0:37:48.520
<v Speaker 1>maybe like, ah, let's let's keep people in the dark

0:37:48.560 --> 0:37:51.359
<v Speaker 1>for as long as we can. But he said last

0:37:51.440 --> 0:37:54.400
<v Speaker 1>night after the game, he was like, well, you know,

0:37:54.480 --> 0:37:57.120
<v Speaker 1>for this, for this first game, I thought it went

0:37:57.840 --> 0:38:00.239
<v Speaker 1>really well. And I asked him I was like, you

0:38:00.320 --> 0:38:03.560
<v Speaker 1>keep saying for this first game, does that mean you

0:38:03.640 --> 0:38:07.759
<v Speaker 1>anticipate staying out there for the foreseeable future? And he

0:38:07.840 --> 0:38:10.319
<v Speaker 1>was like, well, I'll be out there on Thursday and

0:38:10.360 --> 0:38:13.080
<v Speaker 1>then we'll see what happens after that. So I think

0:38:13.120 --> 0:38:16.160
<v Speaker 1>that makes a lot of sense that they were like, Zach,

0:38:16.280 --> 0:38:19.600
<v Speaker 1>please help us deal with these Washington edge rushers. This

0:38:19.680 --> 0:38:21.920
<v Speaker 1>is gonna be a problem otherwise. All right, let's talk

0:38:21.960 --> 0:38:23.960
<v Speaker 1>about Andy Dalton. He was twenty two to thirty two,

0:38:24.040 --> 0:38:26.440
<v Speaker 1>sixty nine percent completion rate, two hundred and three yards,

0:38:26.640 --> 0:38:29.880
<v Speaker 1>three touchdowns, one interception, and one hundred and four quarterback rating.

0:38:30.840 --> 0:38:32.840
<v Speaker 1>Was it better, worse or the same as what you

0:38:32.960 --> 0:38:35.680
<v Speaker 1>expected coming into this game from him? Nick, Let's start

0:38:35.680 --> 0:38:38.600
<v Speaker 1>with you. I thought it was a little bit better

0:38:39.360 --> 0:38:43.200
<v Speaker 1>than what I thought. I mean, mainly more his presence

0:38:43.239 --> 0:38:45.960
<v Speaker 1>in the pocket, you know, because he ran for a

0:38:45.960 --> 0:38:48.640
<v Speaker 1>first down at one time, and I thought he didn't,

0:38:48.719 --> 0:38:50.879
<v Speaker 1>you know, for a guy that took a big hit,

0:38:50.960 --> 0:38:52.719
<v Speaker 1>and then you know he's he's been out for a

0:38:52.760 --> 0:38:56.520
<v Speaker 1>couple of weeks. He didn't look timid to me too bad.

0:38:56.600 --> 0:38:58.760
<v Speaker 1>I don't think he was rushing his throws or scared

0:38:58.800 --> 0:39:00.279
<v Speaker 1>to be in the pocket. I thought he hung in

0:39:00.320 --> 0:39:03.239
<v Speaker 1>there pretty good. And and you know, I thought what

0:39:03.440 --> 0:39:05.920
<v Speaker 1>Bucky Brooks said on Our Shore last week about how

0:39:05.920 --> 0:39:07.880
<v Speaker 1>he doesn't have to be a superhero here, just go

0:39:07.960 --> 0:39:10.600
<v Speaker 1>out and play within himself, and I thought that's what

0:39:10.680 --> 0:39:13.040
<v Speaker 1>he did. So yeah, it was it was a little

0:39:13.040 --> 0:39:14.920
<v Speaker 1>bit better than than what I thought, but you know,

0:39:15.000 --> 0:39:16.839
<v Speaker 1>I think it was. It was. It was a good

0:39:16.920 --> 0:39:23.040
<v Speaker 1>solid performance by him. Amber I think, uh yeah, a

0:39:23.080 --> 0:39:26.439
<v Speaker 1>little bit better than than I expected, at least at

0:39:26.440 --> 0:39:28.879
<v Speaker 1>this point of the season, based on everything that we've seen.

0:39:29.239 --> 0:39:31.520
<v Speaker 1>Obviously we just got done talking about the old line

0:39:31.600 --> 0:39:34.080
<v Speaker 1>that was a huge help for him. I thought he

0:39:34.120 --> 0:39:36.920
<v Speaker 1>did a nice job and that Kelly Moore did a

0:39:37.040 --> 0:39:40.800
<v Speaker 1>nice job just kind of creating place for that would

0:39:41.000 --> 0:39:45.120
<v Speaker 1>accommodate to him and his skills. I think that the

0:39:45.480 --> 0:39:48.240
<v Speaker 1>fact that they were able to get so many guys

0:39:48.280 --> 0:39:51.719
<v Speaker 1>involved so many options for him, so many different targets,

0:39:51.960 --> 0:39:55.000
<v Speaker 1>and yeah, he wasn't perfect or anything, but at the

0:39:55.040 --> 0:39:58.640
<v Speaker 1>same time, just uh we and we've known he's a

0:39:58.760 --> 0:40:01.279
<v Speaker 1>very capable guy. It is just the fact of being

0:40:01.320 --> 0:40:04.240
<v Speaker 1>able to plug him in in this type of offense

0:40:04.280 --> 0:40:06.960
<v Speaker 1>and making it work. So I thought that the what

0:40:07.120 --> 0:40:10.680
<v Speaker 1>Kellen Moore did as far as adjusting everything to hopefully

0:40:10.960 --> 0:40:13.600
<v Speaker 1>to what I think favor him and give him as

0:40:13.640 --> 0:40:17.279
<v Speaker 1>many options as possible definitely helped. And I thought he

0:40:17.320 --> 0:40:20.799
<v Speaker 1>did a very nice job overall, because I didn't have

0:40:20.840 --> 0:40:24.120
<v Speaker 1>any faith at that Before Sunday, I had no faith,

0:40:24.560 --> 0:40:27.560
<v Speaker 1>no faith at all. So now now, yes, I'm on

0:40:27.640 --> 0:40:32.600
<v Speaker 1>the Andy Dalton boat again. Man, I suck. I sucked

0:40:32.640 --> 0:40:35.560
<v Speaker 1>because I switched my feelings so much with this team

0:40:36.160 --> 0:40:40.239
<v Speaker 1>that it just sucks. But yes, good job by Andy Dalton, Dave.

0:40:42.880 --> 0:40:46.280
<v Speaker 1>Nobody believed in my guy, Andy Nobody. No, everybody wanted

0:40:46.320 --> 0:40:49.880
<v Speaker 1>Derek Gilbert, which actually so I thought he played great.

0:40:50.000 --> 0:40:52.359
<v Speaker 1>But at the same time, I'm not trying to hate

0:40:52.360 --> 0:40:55.000
<v Speaker 1>on him. I thought it was worse than what I

0:40:55.040 --> 0:40:57.000
<v Speaker 1>was expecting, to be honest with you, just just by

0:40:57.000 --> 0:41:00.239
<v Speaker 1>a little bit. And when I say that, I mean, yeah,

0:41:00.320 --> 0:41:02.239
<v Speaker 1>he distributed the ball well. I thought he looked he

0:41:02.280 --> 0:41:04.799
<v Speaker 1>looked so poised and like he looked like a ten

0:41:04.880 --> 0:41:06.719
<v Speaker 1>year vet who's been to three Pro Bowls, Like he

0:41:06.760 --> 0:41:10.160
<v Speaker 1>didn't look phased by any of it. But six yards

0:41:10.200 --> 0:41:14.719
<v Speaker 1>per attempt is really it's not wonderful by NFL standards,

0:41:14.760 --> 0:41:17.759
<v Speaker 1>like the vertical element of the offense was not really there.

0:41:17.880 --> 0:41:20.120
<v Speaker 1>I thought. I thought he'd be capable of a few

0:41:20.120 --> 0:41:24.239
<v Speaker 1>more explosive plays. Some of that isn't his fault, you know,

0:41:24.280 --> 0:41:30.560
<v Speaker 1>Michael Gallup dropped along completion and you know, so it's

0:41:30.600 --> 0:41:32.960
<v Speaker 1>but like I said, you know, the explosive elements of

0:41:33.000 --> 0:41:35.480
<v Speaker 1>the offense wasn't there, but it can still come. So

0:41:35.640 --> 0:41:38.759
<v Speaker 1>you know, I don't think that's awful. And again, he

0:41:38.840 --> 0:41:41.480
<v Speaker 1>played great. You know, he was clutch, he had three touchdowns,

0:41:41.480 --> 0:41:44.280
<v Speaker 1>he threw the game winning touchdown pass. You can obviously

0:41:44.360 --> 0:41:47.000
<v Speaker 1>win games with him playing the way that he played,

0:41:48.480 --> 0:41:52.280
<v Speaker 1>but against obviously everybody left on the schedule kind of sucks.

0:41:52.280 --> 0:41:55.040
<v Speaker 1>But against a better defense than Minnesota's. You know, they've

0:41:55.080 --> 0:41:58.000
<v Speaker 1>got like four rookies in the secondary. Against the better

0:41:58.000 --> 0:42:01.879
<v Speaker 1>defense than Minnesota's, yeah, I mean against I mean, Washington's

0:42:01.920 --> 0:42:04.480
<v Speaker 1>got this great front that's gonna make life difficult on him.

0:42:04.520 --> 0:42:08.279
<v Speaker 1>So against a better defense, I think you're gonna need

0:42:08.360 --> 0:42:10.040
<v Speaker 1>him to. Like I said, there's gonna be a need

0:42:10.080 --> 0:42:13.080
<v Speaker 1>to need to be more explosive in the passing game,

0:42:13.160 --> 0:42:16.200
<v Speaker 1>probably if I had to guess, But it's a hell

0:42:16.239 --> 0:42:18.080
<v Speaker 1>of a first step in the right direction. I thought

0:42:18.120 --> 0:42:19.759
<v Speaker 1>he played really well. All We're gonna flip to the

0:42:19.760 --> 0:42:21.479
<v Speaker 1>defensive side of the ball. We got to talk about

0:42:21.520 --> 0:42:24.640
<v Speaker 1>Donovan Wilson yesterday. He has two takeaways. He is among

0:42:24.680 --> 0:42:27.880
<v Speaker 1>the league leaders with nine tackles in the last two weeks.

0:42:27.920 --> 0:42:31.160
<v Speaker 1>He has three forced fumbles, two fumble recoveries, two and

0:42:31.160 --> 0:42:37.200
<v Speaker 1>a half sacks. Has Dallas finally found a playmaking safety again?

0:42:37.239 --> 0:42:39.720
<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying these perfect or great. I am saying

0:42:39.719 --> 0:42:41.759
<v Speaker 1>he might be the best prospect that they've had at

0:42:41.760 --> 0:42:44.160
<v Speaker 1>the safety position in quite a long time. What are

0:42:44.160 --> 0:42:48.520
<v Speaker 1>your thoughts, Amber, Let's start with you him. Well, I

0:42:48.600 --> 0:42:50.919
<v Speaker 1>want to ask this question to you guys who have

0:42:51.200 --> 0:42:56.120
<v Speaker 1>a more experienced eye and perspective of the game. What

0:42:57.719 --> 0:42:59.840
<v Speaker 1>was the big difference here? How come like all this

0:43:00.040 --> 0:43:03.680
<v Speaker 1>funny we we keep seeing Donival Wilson in this game

0:43:04.040 --> 0:43:06.640
<v Speaker 1>making plays and he's like, Okay, where has this been

0:43:07.080 --> 0:43:11.719
<v Speaker 1>all year? So? What was the how? How? How did

0:43:11.719 --> 0:43:13.840
<v Speaker 1>that make this happen? And how did he all of

0:43:13.840 --> 0:43:16.520
<v Speaker 1>a sudden start making plays like this like we saw

0:43:16.640 --> 0:43:20.160
<v Speaker 1>last night? So I need one of you guys to

0:43:20.200 --> 0:43:22.759
<v Speaker 1>answer this for me, please. Well, I wrote a whole

0:43:22.760 --> 0:43:25.160
<v Speaker 1>college I'll take a stab at it. Letting Nick, unless

0:43:25.160 --> 0:43:27.560
<v Speaker 1>you've got well, I just laughed because my whole time

0:43:28.080 --> 0:43:30.520
<v Speaker 1>was based off that question. Like, I really hope people

0:43:30.560 --> 0:43:32.960
<v Speaker 1>don't say where has this been all year? And of course,

0:43:33.520 --> 0:43:37.680
<v Speaker 1>um that was the question. But of course I'm gonna

0:43:37.719 --> 0:43:41.200
<v Speaker 1>ask it, you know, ask for Donovan Wilson. It's it's

0:43:41.239 --> 0:43:43.839
<v Speaker 1>actually fair because I don't have a great answer for

0:43:43.840 --> 0:43:46.640
<v Speaker 1>that one. I had answered for other ones, but because

0:43:46.680 --> 0:43:49.080
<v Speaker 1>all he's ever done is made a play. Yeah, since

0:43:49.120 --> 0:43:53.080
<v Speaker 1>he got here, Yeah, I mean yeah, I just I

0:43:53.120 --> 0:43:56.319
<v Speaker 1>don't did he run poortally at the combine? I mean

0:43:56.440 --> 0:43:58.400
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, because apparently he did it at A

0:43:58.480 --> 0:44:00.440
<v Speaker 1>and M I mean, Rob was going nuts on Twitter,

0:44:00.520 --> 0:44:03.040
<v Speaker 1>you know because with his achie making plays like that.

0:44:04.120 --> 0:44:06.160
<v Speaker 1>I just I don't know. I don't know what the

0:44:06.480 --> 0:44:08.600
<v Speaker 1>thought process is. I think I think the game was

0:44:08.640 --> 0:44:11.359
<v Speaker 1>kind of big for him, Um, you know, just just

0:44:11.480 --> 0:44:13.759
<v Speaker 1>learning and learning, you know, just picking up and being

0:44:13.800 --> 0:44:16.040
<v Speaker 1>aware and stuff like that. But when he was out there,

0:44:16.480 --> 0:44:18.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, he always seemed the ball just seems to

0:44:18.600 --> 0:44:20.759
<v Speaker 1>find him. And that's a huge that's a huge strait

0:44:20.800 --> 0:44:23.239
<v Speaker 1>for safety. It was interesting this morning I saw on

0:44:23.280 --> 0:44:26.319
<v Speaker 1>Twitter someone put up Dane blue Brugle, who also does

0:44:26.400 --> 0:44:31.080
<v Speaker 1>some draft coverage for US his draft right up on

0:44:31.360 --> 0:44:33.319
<v Speaker 1>Donovan Wilson, and one of the things he said was

0:44:33.560 --> 0:44:35.320
<v Speaker 1>he's a guy that can make plays, but he's a

0:44:35.360 --> 0:44:37.680
<v Speaker 1>guy that can also be overly aggressive, and that can

0:44:37.719 --> 0:44:40.760
<v Speaker 1>be frustrating at times because it causes him to overrun plays,

0:44:40.760 --> 0:44:43.640
<v Speaker 1>it causes him sometimes to get targeting calls because he's

0:44:43.680 --> 0:44:46.640
<v Speaker 1>just a little too aggressive. Um, And so I think

0:44:47.000 --> 0:44:49.000
<v Speaker 1>that may be part of it. Is all we've seen

0:44:49.000 --> 0:44:50.880
<v Speaker 1>since he's got there, Like you said, even in practice.

0:44:50.920 --> 0:44:52.759
<v Speaker 1>We've been talking about him making plays in practice for

0:44:52.760 --> 0:44:55.239
<v Speaker 1>a while now. Yeah, the issue is that they just

0:44:55.280 --> 0:44:56.920
<v Speaker 1>haven't gotten him on the field. And now he's on

0:44:56.960 --> 0:44:59.040
<v Speaker 1>the field, he's making plays. My question is, and what

0:44:59.120 --> 0:45:01.680
<v Speaker 1>I want to go back and watches. Were there plays

0:45:01.760 --> 0:45:04.920
<v Speaker 1>in the game yesterday and last week where he should

0:45:04.960 --> 0:45:06.640
<v Speaker 1>have been in a place that he wasn't or he

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<v Speaker 1>didn't quite get to make a tackle because he made

0:45:10.000 --> 0:45:11.840
<v Speaker 1>he was a little too overaggressive. That's the kind of

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<v Speaker 1>stuff that doesn't always show up, especially for guys making plays.

0:45:15.440 --> 0:45:17.360
<v Speaker 1>You kind of gloss over that kind of stuff. I

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<v Speaker 1>wonder if that's what's happening when you talk about a

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<v Speaker 1>guy like this that's kind of a you know, he

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<v Speaker 1>can do some big things, but he can also make

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<v Speaker 1>some mistakes. For you, Dave, do you have an opinion

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<v Speaker 1>on that? I don't want to, Well, I don't want to.

0:45:29.920 --> 0:45:31.960
<v Speaker 1>You're right, like I need to go back and watch it.

0:45:32.960 --> 0:45:34.480
<v Speaker 1>I need to go back and watch it before I

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<v Speaker 1>form an opinion. But I'm pretty sure he had a

0:45:36.600 --> 0:45:39.520
<v Speaker 1>hand in jeff justin Jefferson's long touchdown, Like I think

0:45:39.719 --> 0:45:42.359
<v Speaker 1>he was back in single high on that touchdown. So

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure he did not play a perfect game, but

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<v Speaker 1>it sure is refreshing to just see a guy who

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<v Speaker 1>can make plays on the ball. Like, you know, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not trying to say Donovan Wilson's definitely gonna be the

0:45:54.680 --> 0:45:57.120
<v Speaker 1>next great Cowboys safety, but we just, like I said

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<v Speaker 1>when I you know, when I said, that was the

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<v Speaker 1>big moment of the game, Like, we just haven't seen

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<v Speaker 1>that from the position. Lord knows Xavier Woods, He's had

0:46:04.640 --> 0:46:07.560
<v Speaker 1>plenty of opportunities in his career. He doesn't usually cash

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<v Speaker 1>in on them, So it was just nice to see

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<v Speaker 1>a safety who was capable of doing that. I'm positive

0:46:13.120 --> 0:46:15.759
<v Speaker 1>he didn't play a perfect game, but I'll take what

0:46:15.840 --> 0:46:17.759
<v Speaker 1>i can get. Yeah, At this point, it's kind of

0:46:17.760 --> 0:46:19.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, those kind of the same things we've talked

0:46:19.000 --> 0:46:21.440
<v Speaker 1>about with trey Von Diggs. You know, he's not perfect,

0:46:21.640 --> 0:46:23.360
<v Speaker 1>but at least you like the fact he's making a

0:46:23.400 --> 0:46:25.759
<v Speaker 1>play every now and then, right, he's doing something to

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<v Speaker 1>make a play. And if you could turn the ball

0:46:27.480 --> 0:46:29.719
<v Speaker 1>over on this team, then that's a guy I want

0:46:29.719 --> 0:46:31.480
<v Speaker 1>to keep on this team because they don't have enough

0:46:31.520 --> 0:46:33.320
<v Speaker 1>of those guys that are making those kinds of plays.

0:46:33.320 --> 0:46:36.959
<v Speaker 1>And he turned like literally both those turnovers yesterday's those

0:46:36.960 --> 0:46:39.560
<v Speaker 1>are plays that he made. This was not a quarterback

0:46:39.560 --> 0:46:41.319
<v Speaker 1>that kind of overthrew a guy and you just happen

0:46:41.360 --> 0:46:43.759
<v Speaker 1>to be in the right spot and you make the interception.

0:46:44.120 --> 0:46:47.479
<v Speaker 1>These were situations where he literally the quarterback's going down

0:46:47.560 --> 0:46:49.840
<v Speaker 1>and he strips the ball from the quarterback. Yeah, or

0:46:49.960 --> 0:46:52.000
<v Speaker 1>the guy's coming across the middle of the field, he

0:46:52.160 --> 0:46:54.200
<v Speaker 1>makes the catch and then you light him up in

0:46:54.320 --> 0:46:56.719
<v Speaker 1>order to get the ball out and then to turn over. Like,

0:46:56.760 --> 0:46:59.439
<v Speaker 1>those are opportunities that wouldn't be there but for his play.

0:46:59.480 --> 0:47:01.480
<v Speaker 1>Can't give you some bad news. Sure, I don't know

0:47:01.520 --> 0:47:03.359
<v Speaker 1>if it's next I don't know if it's Thursday or

0:47:03.520 --> 0:47:06.040
<v Speaker 1>in Baltimore or whatever. He's gonna get a fifteen yard

0:47:06.040 --> 0:47:09.080
<v Speaker 1>penalty here pretty like, yes, a cup probably. I mean

0:47:09.080 --> 0:47:11.960
<v Speaker 1>he could have actually got one on his hit to Cousins,

0:47:12.400 --> 0:47:16.000
<v Speaker 1>you know. I mean if it was because he's very aggressive. Yeah,

0:47:16.360 --> 0:47:17.759
<v Speaker 1>but I'll tell you this, serry, if you would have

0:47:17.760 --> 0:47:19.680
<v Speaker 1>played for Arkansas, I have been targeting. I will tell

0:47:19.719 --> 0:47:23.200
<v Speaker 1>you this. I will tell you this. I will take

0:47:23.239 --> 0:47:25.759
<v Speaker 1>a little bit and kicked out of that game. Here

0:47:25.800 --> 0:47:26.960
<v Speaker 1>we go, Here we go. I don't want to get

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<v Speaker 1>into that. I will tell you this, though. I do

0:47:29.680 --> 0:47:31.400
<v Speaker 1>think that he's going to be the kind of player

0:47:31.600 --> 0:47:33.840
<v Speaker 1>that I will take that from some of the time.

0:47:34.239 --> 0:47:35.640
<v Speaker 1>If he can give me some of the plays like

0:47:35.719 --> 0:47:37.399
<v Speaker 1>we like he gave him yesterday. I'll take a little

0:47:37.400 --> 0:47:40.200
<v Speaker 1>bit of over aggressive at times for this particular defense,

0:47:40.360 --> 0:47:41.759
<v Speaker 1>because I think they need a little bit of that.

0:47:42.040 --> 0:47:43.680
<v Speaker 1>All right, I appreciate you join us. Go ahead, Dave.

0:47:43.920 --> 0:47:48.239
<v Speaker 1>Can I just I just one. I hate to be mean,

0:47:49.120 --> 0:47:51.840
<v Speaker 1>be I get it has nothing to do with Donovan Wilson,

0:47:51.920 --> 0:47:53.839
<v Speaker 1>but it's just something that I'm thinking about. Because we're

0:47:53.840 --> 0:47:57.279
<v Speaker 1>talking about safeties, we're talking about being aggressive. Blah blah blah.

0:47:57.760 --> 0:48:01.759
<v Speaker 1>Can we can we stop giving Darren Woodson's number to

0:48:01.840 --> 0:48:06.680
<v Speaker 1>the waldough of the defense, like it bums me out,

0:48:07.400 --> 0:48:10.319
<v Speaker 1>like twenty eight deserve I'm not saying, I'm not saying

0:48:10.320 --> 0:48:13.520
<v Speaker 1>it needs to be retired, but it was Darryl Worley

0:48:13.560 --> 0:48:15.560
<v Speaker 1>at the start of the season. And I'm not trying

0:48:15.600 --> 0:48:19.200
<v Speaker 1>to hate on Richard Robinson. Lord knows why. I mean,

0:48:19.280 --> 0:48:21.120
<v Speaker 1>I put that on the coaches more than anything that

0:48:21.200 --> 0:48:23.520
<v Speaker 1>a practice squad guy had to play that many snaps.

0:48:23.600 --> 0:48:26.000
<v Speaker 1>But it just hurts my heart a little bit to

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<v Speaker 1>see number twenty eight just get picked on by the

0:48:28.600 --> 0:48:32.239
<v Speaker 1>opposing offense like all season long, like all all year.

0:48:32.719 --> 0:48:36.960
<v Speaker 1>So just I don't know, maybe maybe do something about that, like,

0:48:37.440 --> 0:48:39.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, have a heart for Darren Woodson Mayan. I

0:48:39.360 --> 0:48:42.360
<v Speaker 1>don't know. The equipment managers have told has told me

0:48:42.400 --> 0:48:45.000
<v Speaker 1>before that they try to protect certain players, like, yeah,

0:48:45.040 --> 0:48:47.919
<v Speaker 1>you won't see a thirty three at a running back.

0:48:48.160 --> 0:48:50.840
<v Speaker 1>You might see him defensive back or whatever, or forty

0:48:50.840 --> 0:48:52.600
<v Speaker 1>eight it's not going to be a fullback or whatever.

0:48:52.680 --> 0:48:55.200
<v Speaker 1>They're gonna protect those guys. So that surprises me that

0:48:55.239 --> 0:48:56.959
<v Speaker 1>a dB. I mean, they gave it to Felix Jones

0:48:57.000 --> 0:48:59.279
<v Speaker 1>as a running back, but at twenty eight, no, I

0:48:59.320 --> 0:49:02.040
<v Speaker 1>think I think, right, Dave, that's a bit more discerning, right,

0:49:02.120 --> 0:49:04.920
<v Speaker 1>offensive player. Yea. At this point, if you're gonna do it,

0:49:04.960 --> 0:49:06.560
<v Speaker 1>then do it for a guy that you feel like

0:49:06.680 --> 0:49:09.680
<v Speaker 1>is a little better player. Pick or right, do it

0:49:09.719 --> 0:49:11.879
<v Speaker 1>the other way, like you're ninety four, or of course

0:49:11.880 --> 0:49:14.359
<v Speaker 1>you're eighty eight, and say, all right, this guy, are

0:49:14.400 --> 0:49:17.520
<v Speaker 1>you worthy of it? Yeah? Exactly, I certainly haven't seen

0:49:17.560 --> 0:49:21.239
<v Speaker 1>that twenty eight. That's that caliber and of safety we have. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, we appreciate you, Jonas. We'll be back tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna start getting into Cowboys versus the Washington football team.

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<v Speaker 1>Till then. For Nick Eatman, Dave Hellman, and Regarcia, I

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