WEBVTT - Thinking Sideways: The Mad Axeman of New Orleans 0:00:18.440 --> 0:00:22.599 Hi there, Welcome to another episode of Thinking Sideways. Yes, 0:00:22.680 --> 0:00:25.680 that's right, where the guys that tackle lotles unsolved mysteries 0:00:25.680 --> 0:00:28.280 and sell them for you. This week, well, well we 0:00:28.320 --> 0:00:31.720 introduced my co host first. I'm Joe, starring along with 0:00:32.280 --> 0:00:38.800 Devin and Steve. All right, so let's getting Yeah, we're starring. 0:00:39.000 --> 0:00:44.839 Movie credits. I feel fancy. Yeah, where's my where's my groupies? 0:00:44.920 --> 0:00:46.320 That's what I really want to know. I wish I 0:00:46.360 --> 0:00:49.800 wore my good shoes for this. Now you bought that 0:00:49.880 --> 0:00:54.960 like effortless, like celebrity slob vibe. Oh I really kind 0:00:54.960 --> 0:00:57.600 of do. Yeah, you're lucky. I shaved today. I know 0:00:58.240 --> 0:01:02.640 it's been a week. Been about a week for me too. Actually, okay, 0:01:02.720 --> 0:01:04.960 let's just let's get into this thing. So this week, 0:01:05.520 --> 0:01:08.200 in honor again of the month of October and Halloween, 0:01:08.200 --> 0:01:15.880 we're talking we're talking about serious, creepy, grizzly, gory stuff. Yeah. 0:01:15.920 --> 0:01:18.240 So yeah, so we're gonna give you another one of 0:01:18.280 --> 0:01:20.520 those two this week. It's we're gonna talk about the 0:01:20.520 --> 0:01:23.200 ax Men of New Orleans, or if you actually live 0:01:23.200 --> 0:01:24.840 in New Orleans, you want to probably call us the 0:01:24.880 --> 0:01:28.759 Acment of Nolin's. But this is about By the way, 0:01:28.800 --> 0:01:32.080 this was a listener suggestion, and I unfortunately can't off 0:01:32.120 --> 0:01:34.880 the top of my head. Remember I apologize, but if 0:01:34.880 --> 0:01:37.479 I remember your name, I will. I will. Maybe next week, 0:01:38.200 --> 0:01:40.680 everybody have to speed on that we're gonna added to 0:01:40.680 --> 0:01:44.440 your listeners segments. Do thank you for the for the suggestion. 0:01:44.480 --> 0:01:47.120 Now this is a fun, grizzly, disgusting kind of thing. 0:01:47.319 --> 0:01:50.240 Oh yeah, what is fun? Not going that whole string 0:01:50.280 --> 0:01:53.840 of words. Yeah, well, I guess it's worth the mention, right, 0:01:53.880 --> 0:01:56.680 just like last week, this week, maybe if you have 0:01:56.800 --> 0:01:59.160 like kids that you like to listen to this podcast with, 0:01:59.320 --> 0:02:02.559 or your squeamish or like you're at work, it's probably 0:02:02.560 --> 0:02:05.760 not Let's say, yeah, but it's not that bad. And 0:02:05.760 --> 0:02:07.800 at least I know you're only hearing our words, you're 0:02:07.840 --> 0:02:10.520 not actually seeing people getting chopped up with an axe. 0:02:11.160 --> 0:02:12.880 And by the way, that that that is what the 0:02:13.040 --> 0:02:14.840 X Men was all about. He was an axe murderer, 0:02:15.400 --> 0:02:18.000 all right. So the X Man was a serial killer 0:02:18.080 --> 0:02:20.680 in New Orleans. And also he actually murdered a few 0:02:20.680 --> 0:02:23.840 people outside as a suburb of New Orleans called Gretin 0:02:23.840 --> 0:02:25.840 that which is right across the river. And then he 0:02:26.760 --> 0:02:31.120 operated between May nineteen eighteen and October nineteen nineteen, so 0:02:31.280 --> 0:02:34.120 just like a year, year and a half, basically year 0:02:34.120 --> 0:02:38.680 and a half before. And Uh apparently a police detective 0:02:39.160 --> 0:02:41.040 at the time these were going on and tried to 0:02:41.040 --> 0:02:43.720 connect them to some murders that took place earlier on 0:02:43.760 --> 0:02:48.120 about nineteen eleven nineteen twelve. It's generally believed that they 0:02:48.120 --> 0:02:51.480 were not connected. Yeah, the the m O wasn't exactly 0:02:51.520 --> 0:02:54.360 to see, Yeah, not exactly. And actually, of all the 0:02:54.400 --> 0:02:57.640 all the killings and attacks that that were attributed to 0:02:57.680 --> 0:03:00.160 the axe man, I'm not sure all of these that 0:03:00.200 --> 0:03:02.160 people count towards the axe men, I'm not sure all 0:03:02.200 --> 0:03:04.799 of these were actually the same guy. I don't think 0:03:04.800 --> 0:03:07.840 that anyway. They were usually attacked with an axe, sometimes 0:03:07.880 --> 0:03:11.480 a straight razor. One account of the last murder, which 0:03:11.480 --> 0:03:14.720 is Mike Peppertoni he was killed in October nineteen nineteen, 0:03:15.720 --> 0:03:17.920 UH says that he was not beating to death with 0:03:17.919 --> 0:03:19.840 an axe, but he was beating to death with a pipe, 0:03:20.000 --> 0:03:23.200 often to let the weapon was laying around. They would 0:03:23.240 --> 0:03:25.120 have obviously a lot of people heated their homes with 0:03:25.120 --> 0:03:27.040 with wood in those days, and so people would have 0:03:27.040 --> 0:03:30.359 a hatchets and axes, and laying around, so he would 0:03:30.680 --> 0:03:32.799 break into the house, grab an axe, and go to town. 0:03:33.880 --> 0:03:37.080 Many of them were also Italian shopkeepers, which led some 0:03:37.120 --> 0:03:39.760 people to suspect the mafia connection, and that is plausible. 0:03:39.800 --> 0:03:42.160 Actually let other people to suspect that maybe the X 0:03:42.240 --> 0:03:47.120 Men just didn't like Italians. As an Italian person, I 0:03:47.120 --> 0:03:52.600 feel like, especially in those days, not everybody likes Pepperoni pizzas. 0:03:52.880 --> 0:03:59.000 They're crazy, but not everybody. Yeah. Uh. He generally entered 0:03:59.040 --> 0:04:01.360 the homes by something out of panel, like you know, 0:04:01.440 --> 0:04:03.080 you know what a frame and panel door looks like 0:04:03.120 --> 0:04:06.600 when you've got multiple panels, And he would take a chisel, 0:04:07.160 --> 0:04:10.000 chisel out of panel. And I'm not sure how he 0:04:10.040 --> 0:04:11.839 managed to do this stealthily. You would think that would 0:04:11.840 --> 0:04:14.360 wake people up inside. Let me let me just clarify, 0:04:14.440 --> 0:04:17.720 because this was something that it wasn't exactly positive that 0:04:17.839 --> 0:04:19.520 I got, but I thought I did. So. When you 0:04:19.560 --> 0:04:22.520 say a panel, so let's say I buy a new 0:04:22.600 --> 0:04:25.640 door at home depot and they call it a six 0:04:25.720 --> 0:04:28.360 panel door, which means there's the big thick wood frame 0:04:29.080 --> 0:04:35.120 and then there's six thin panels in set into the door. 0:04:35.279 --> 0:04:37.120 So let's say the doors like an inch and a 0:04:37.160 --> 0:04:39.880 half and they dropped to a half inch depth. And 0:04:39.920 --> 0:04:46.000 there's those panels that make kind of that pattern that's 0:04:46.040 --> 0:04:48.279 the panel, right. Yeah, I have some pictures here are 0:04:48.400 --> 0:04:51.120 some of the doors that were actually chiseled open, so 0:04:51.200 --> 0:04:52.560 you can get an idea. I'll hold it up from 0:04:52.560 --> 0:04:55.520 the microphone at a moment. Okay, yeah, no, that that's 0:04:55.560 --> 0:04:57.520 exactly what I was talking about. It is one of 0:04:57.560 --> 0:05:02.560 those because old doors. Doors now aren't made of actual wood. 0:05:02.640 --> 0:05:07.520 They're formed out of sawdust presswood basically. But old doors, 0:05:08.720 --> 0:05:10.560 even today you can get a wood door. Yeah, but 0:05:10.640 --> 0:05:13.960 old doors, it was a solid frame on the exterior 0:05:14.080 --> 0:05:17.279 and then it was pieces inset and then inside of 0:05:17.320 --> 0:05:21.839 that were smaller, thinner wooden panels. And those smaller thinner 0:05:21.880 --> 0:05:26.360 wooden panels would have had the framing around him kind 0:05:26.360 --> 0:05:29.119 of like you see an older windows. So you'll see 0:05:29.240 --> 0:05:34.360 the beveled edges that actually hold the yet molding. And 0:05:34.440 --> 0:05:37.080 so what you're saying is that he was chiseling that 0:05:37.240 --> 0:05:40.720 molding away to them be able to pull that piece 0:05:40.760 --> 0:05:44.600 of wood out to reach into the doors. That correct. Yeah, 0:05:44.640 --> 0:05:47.000 and uh, that's what I would suspect is that he 0:05:47.080 --> 0:05:49.080 got the once you had an opening, can reach inside 0:05:49.080 --> 0:05:53.000 and unlocked the door from the inside. Okay, some people 0:05:53.480 --> 0:05:57.159 some people, well actually theorizes that the accident was a 0:05:57.200 --> 0:06:00.720 midget or a dwarf, because I thought, how could it, 0:06:00.800 --> 0:06:03.400 How could a full size, a full sized person fit 0:06:03.480 --> 0:06:05.160 to that that small hole? And you guys saw how 0:06:05.160 --> 0:06:07.799 small those holes were, don't know, like six or twelve 0:06:07.839 --> 0:06:10.120 inches at the best. Yeah, I don't think a person. 0:06:12.000 --> 0:06:15.520 I don't think a dwarf is gonna fit you. He 0:06:15.560 --> 0:06:17.400 reads through, you know, but so that that's kind of 0:06:17.400 --> 0:06:20.200 a silly idea of it. He often he would he 0:06:20.200 --> 0:06:22.240 would pull the panel out, leave it there, leave it there, 0:06:22.240 --> 0:06:24.719 sitting there with the chisel, Which makes me wonder why 0:06:24.720 --> 0:06:26.640 didn't the cops check out the records, See you charge 0:06:26.680 --> 0:06:30.080 a dozen chisels to his MasterCard? Or you know, I 0:06:30.120 --> 0:06:32.040 got all the home depots and ask if somebody had 0:06:32.080 --> 0:06:35.359 like bought a dozen a dozen or so chisels. Maybe 0:06:35.400 --> 0:06:39.039 he was working at home depot. No wait wait, or 0:06:39.080 --> 0:06:46.320 maybe home depot wasn't there they are yet maybe so anyway, 0:06:46.320 --> 0:06:50.200 before I start talking about the murders of the X 0:06:50.240 --> 0:06:52.720 man sent a very famous letter which I am not 0:06:52.760 --> 0:06:54.839 going to read. I might read. I'm ready to snippet 0:06:54.839 --> 0:06:56.279 of it, but he said it's a very famous letter 0:06:56.320 --> 0:06:58.200 to a local paper saying that he was going to 0:06:58.279 --> 0:07:00.880 swing by the city at twelve DNA and that's just 0:07:01.000 --> 0:07:04.920 after midnight on March nineteenth, and said that he was 0:07:04.920 --> 0:07:07.080 going to kill somebody, that he would spare the lives 0:07:07.120 --> 0:07:09.640 of anybody who was playing jett and playing jazz music 0:07:09.640 --> 0:07:12.480 in their homes. Uh. And apparently there was a lot 0:07:12.480 --> 0:07:14.680 of jazz played that night. But that leads me to 0:07:14.680 --> 0:07:16.680 suspect that maybe the letter wasn't written by the x Man, 0:07:16.680 --> 0:07:19.000 but it was written by maybe a frustrated jazz musician 0:07:19.080 --> 0:07:21.400 and who wanted to gen up a little business for himself. 0:07:21.640 --> 0:07:24.200 If it was written by the Axe Man, and I've 0:07:24.240 --> 0:07:31.120 read that letter, the Axe Man is a loon, seriously 0:07:31.520 --> 0:07:35.680 off their rocker. Things that are said in that letter, 0:07:36.640 --> 0:07:39.400 something alluding to I am, you know, basically the spirit 0:07:39.400 --> 0:07:44.560 of death and I'm ephemeral and YadA YadA, YadA. Is like, whoa, yeah, 0:07:44.600 --> 0:07:47.400 because that's unusual for somebody who goes around hacking people. 0:07:47.560 --> 0:07:50.200 I was about to say, you were very high on 0:07:50.400 --> 0:07:53.400 what you're doing and what you're getting out of and 0:07:53.440 --> 0:07:56.720 it's it's that just tells me right there that the 0:07:56.840 --> 0:07:59.800 person that was doing this, if it is one person. 0:08:00.280 --> 0:08:03.920 Uh huh wow, well yeah, i'd have off your rocket. 0:08:04.000 --> 0:08:06.840 Want I'll go to slaughter people with an X anyway? Yeah, anyway, 0:08:06.920 --> 0:08:09.200 So the if you want to do a Google on that, 0:08:09.200 --> 0:08:12.360 there's a Wikipedia page and also practically everywhere the page 0:08:12.400 --> 0:08:16.040 that talks about this, just about every letter I will 0:08:16.160 --> 0:08:18.600 I will congratulate the X man on good writing. I 0:08:18.640 --> 0:08:21.920 thought it was a very well written letter. It is. 0:08:21.960 --> 0:08:24.440 I like it. Actually, it's well written. Yeah, it's kind 0:08:24.440 --> 0:08:26.920 of kind of you should read it. It does it. 0:08:28.520 --> 0:08:30.480 I'm just gonna go ahead and throughout there. It starts 0:08:30.480 --> 0:08:38.240 out it steems mortal. Comes Tom says hell Comma March thirteenth, 0:08:38.280 --> 0:08:41.440 Comma nineteen seemed mortal. They've never caught me and they 0:08:41.520 --> 0:08:44.160 never will. I'm not going any further. No, I just 0:08:44.200 --> 0:08:46.000 like want to give people a little snippet of like, 0:08:46.200 --> 0:08:47.640 I mean, you know, do we need to read this, 0:08:47.760 --> 0:08:49.800 Do you want to read part of it? Let me 0:08:49.800 --> 0:08:51.240 read one well, or you want to do it hour 0:08:51.320 --> 0:08:53.199 you want to do it in context of the time 0:08:53.240 --> 0:08:56.520 when the letter came in, Because it comes in a 0:08:56.559 --> 0:09:00.679 majority A good number of the slayings have happened, actually does. Yeah, 0:09:00.720 --> 0:09:02.839 that's a good point. Uh. So we'll talk about the 0:09:02.880 --> 0:09:05.400 letter a little later. So let's talk about the departed. 0:09:05.920 --> 0:09:08.960 So the first victims were Joseph and Catherine Mojo. I 0:09:08.960 --> 0:09:12.000 think it's Mojo, sounds about right. Yeah. He was an 0:09:12.040 --> 0:09:15.800 Italian grocer and like like many people back in those days, 0:09:15.800 --> 0:09:18.480 they had an apartment in the back or above their 0:09:18.520 --> 0:09:21.520 store or their bar or whatever they had. Uh so 0:09:21.640 --> 0:09:26.280 may en um, he broke into their home and then 0:09:26.280 --> 0:09:29.720 he cut their throats with a straight razor. Straight razor 0:09:29.800 --> 0:09:33.079 apparently belonged to Joseph Mago's brother, Like it was in 0:09:33.200 --> 0:09:35.839 the house and he just used it or um. It's 0:09:35.880 --> 0:09:38.240 hard to sing exactly how he got his hands on it, 0:09:38.240 --> 0:09:40.640 but essentially he's he got there. He cut their throats 0:09:40.760 --> 0:09:42.880 and then took an ax to him and bashed them too, 0:09:43.720 --> 0:09:46.920 And he cut Catherine's neck so deeply that he nearly 0:09:46.960 --> 0:09:52.720 decapitated her. Yeah, so Joseph actually very stable. Yeah, Joseph 0:09:52.760 --> 0:09:55.320 Mojo actually survived for a few hours. He was bleeding, 0:09:55.480 --> 0:09:59.160 uh severely, almost worse. Yeah, and his brother, I know, seriously, 0:09:59.200 --> 0:10:02.559 I want to quick So his his brother lived in 0:10:02.600 --> 0:10:05.800 the apartment next door, and apparently at some point during 0:10:05.800 --> 0:10:07.840 the night he woke up and heard these strange moans 0:10:07.920 --> 0:10:10.360 coming from the other side of the wall. He started 0:10:10.440 --> 0:10:12.319 knocking on the wall and got no response, so he 0:10:12.720 --> 0:10:14.760 went around and got and came into their home and 0:10:14.800 --> 0:10:19.240 found them. And of course, obviously it couldn't have been fun. No, no, 0:10:19.360 --> 0:10:22.240 and I don't think so. In the apartment they found 0:10:22.720 --> 0:10:25.600 a bloody set of clothes because so apparently the murderer 0:10:25.600 --> 0:10:27.760 had brought a clean set of clothes to change into 0:10:27.840 --> 0:10:32.160 when he was done. And the straight razor was found 0:10:32.160 --> 0:10:34.319 on the lot of a property very nearby. I don't 0:10:34.360 --> 0:10:35.800 know if it was right next door or a few 0:10:35.800 --> 0:10:37.959 and if we were lots away, but that was found 0:10:37.960 --> 0:10:40.760 to Dare see you later. And it turns out as 0:10:40.679 --> 0:10:44.000 again the straight razor belonged to the brother who ran 0:10:44.160 --> 0:10:47.400 a barbershop, and apparently he had at the barbershop and 0:10:47.440 --> 0:10:50.280 he had told a co worker that he was taking 0:10:50.320 --> 0:10:52.280 it home or taking it out to get fixed, because 0:10:52.280 --> 0:10:54.600 it had a notch in the blade and notching the edge. 0:10:55.640 --> 0:10:59.360 Uh So anyway, he naturally he became he became a 0:10:59.400 --> 0:11:03.920 big sus Yeah. Uh. He he was released because they 0:11:03.960 --> 0:11:06.880 really couldn't they really couldn't get any have any evidence 0:11:06.920 --> 0:11:09.160 on him, and he didn't have any real obvious motive. 0:11:10.360 --> 0:11:15.280 Ye first murder, just like they used the straight blade 0:11:15.520 --> 0:11:21.960 of the brother. The brother found them. He lived right 0:11:22.000 --> 0:11:24.720 next door. That is a little suspicious. He didn't hear 0:11:24.840 --> 0:11:27.960 like screaming or anything, but he did hear knocking a 0:11:28.000 --> 0:11:33.120 little bit later. Yeah, just and the most disturbing part 0:11:33.160 --> 0:11:38.839 of hearing knocking later is somebody flailing. I mean, this 0:11:38.320 --> 0:11:41.520 is this again. I know I made this joke last week, 0:11:41.520 --> 0:11:43.400 but it's like it makes me think of Sweeney Todd 0:11:43.440 --> 0:11:47.440 again with Yeah, but I can just think of that 0:11:47.440 --> 0:11:50.640 that weird you know, I'm desperate for help and this 0:11:50.720 --> 0:11:53.640 is just one of those weird places my brain. But 0:11:54.160 --> 0:11:57.400 you're there, You're helpless. You know that you're not in 0:11:57.400 --> 0:11:59.880 a good place, and you're trying to get somebody's attention. 0:12:00.000 --> 0:12:02.000 The only thing you can do is bang on the 0:12:02.040 --> 0:12:05.640 wall because you can't make noise because you've had your 0:12:05.679 --> 0:12:11.520 throat slit. What a powerless feeling. Yeah, I guess that. 0:12:11.840 --> 0:12:13.880 You know again, it's like, okay, well, even if it 0:12:13.920 --> 0:12:17.199 was like moaning or just like knocking, like that woke 0:12:17.200 --> 0:12:20.520 his brother up, But like surely someone screamed, like not 0:12:20.559 --> 0:12:22.880 necessarily mean. Think about it is is if the guy 0:12:23.000 --> 0:12:25.040 was quick enough and stealthy enough, you could slit there, 0:12:25.080 --> 0:12:29.120 throw us before they could wake up and start screaming slits. 0:12:29.280 --> 0:12:31.600 You really can't scream. That's definitely true. All right, Well, 0:12:31.640 --> 0:12:33.480 I was gonna ye, I was gonna say, is let's 0:12:33.480 --> 0:12:35.360 think about this, and I don't want to go into 0:12:35.400 --> 0:12:37.280 too much detail, but I'm just trying to think of 0:12:37.520 --> 0:12:40.360 how could you kill one person without the other knowing 0:12:40.480 --> 0:12:43.920 when they're sleeping side by side. Ll the wife first, Well, 0:12:44.240 --> 0:12:45.960 but there's two ways that you can think about it. 0:12:46.000 --> 0:12:47.960 Is he was on her side of the bed and 0:12:48.000 --> 0:12:50.800 he cut her throat and then moved across and went 0:12:50.840 --> 0:12:55.080 to the husband's side. Or what's even more disturbing is 0:12:55.800 --> 0:13:01.480 remember that most people, I presume most couples these days 0:13:01.520 --> 0:13:04.040 sleep in something that equates to at least to queen 0:13:04.080 --> 0:13:07.600 size bed. In that day and age, a queen's size 0:13:07.640 --> 0:13:11.240 bed was a luxury. So you're more in something that's 0:13:11.240 --> 0:13:13.880 along the lines of the single So if you're both 0:13:14.040 --> 0:13:17.760 on your backs or on your sides, person can lean 0:13:17.920 --> 0:13:21.800 over and get one and then the other, and that 0:13:21.920 --> 0:13:24.760 that would explain why one was like pretty well done 0:13:24.760 --> 0:13:27.280 and the other was less swell, Right, the farther one, 0:13:27.320 --> 0:13:29.040 he's got to put a little more effort to get to. 0:13:29.320 --> 0:13:36.480 I mean. So the brother was deemed not a suspect. Yeah, 0:13:36.480 --> 0:13:38.760 well he was still deemed a suspect, but they had 0:13:38.800 --> 0:13:42.120 no they really had nothing on. So the next murder 0:13:42.160 --> 0:13:48.559 was a guy named Louis or Louis Sumer okay, Louis 0:13:48.559 --> 0:13:53.400 Bessumer and his mistress Harriet Low. Harriet actually survived this one, 0:13:53.679 --> 0:13:56.320 so he was he was struck with a hatchet in 0:13:56.400 --> 0:14:00.000 the head. And this has been a June of yeah 0:14:00.000 --> 0:14:01.680 at June, I so a little more than a month 0:14:01.800 --> 0:14:05.080 since the previous one. Again, you know the ax murder. 0:14:05.120 --> 0:14:07.680 He used an ax, but he didn't necessarily chop people 0:14:07.720 --> 0:14:09.400 to pieces with the axt. He just beat him to 0:14:09.480 --> 0:14:12.400 death because an access and access are just a kick 0:14:12.440 --> 0:14:17.040 ass hammer, let's face it, very very big hammer. Oh yeah, 0:14:17.080 --> 0:14:18.920 so yeah, he got a he got he got a 0:14:18.960 --> 0:14:22.120 skull fracture from that, and his mistress, Harriet Low, was 0:14:22.160 --> 0:14:27.040 also hacked and she was unconscious, and uh, they were 0:14:27.040 --> 0:14:31.480 discovered by the driver of a bakery wagon named John Zenca. 0:14:31.920 --> 0:14:33.760 He found them in a puddle of blood and they're 0:14:33.760 --> 0:14:36.800 both bleeding. And the axe, which again belonged to the sumer, 0:14:37.600 --> 0:14:40.440 was found in the found in the bathroom of the apartment. Well. 0:14:40.480 --> 0:14:42.720 And and if I remember right, the only reason the 0:14:42.800 --> 0:14:47.440 delivery guy found him is it was a grocery correct. Yeah, 0:14:47.440 --> 0:14:49.600 so he was, Yes, he was a delivery guy. And 0:14:49.680 --> 0:14:53.280 he showed up at whatever his normal time is. Yeah, 0:14:54.240 --> 0:14:57.240 you know, Lewis or Lewis is supposed to be there 0:14:57.320 --> 0:15:00.600 and he's always there, and he's not. This is weird. 0:15:00.800 --> 0:15:03.160 So he went over to the residents or up to 0:15:03.200 --> 0:15:06.080 the residents or around the residents, whichever the case may be. 0:15:06.760 --> 0:15:10.120 And that's how he walked in on this thing. Yeah. Yeah, 0:15:10.160 --> 0:15:12.080 they didn't arrest him for it though, So but they 0:15:12.280 --> 0:15:14.760 found they found a guy named Louis ubi Kan who 0:15:14.800 --> 0:15:16.960 was forty one year old, black guy. So that's probably 0:15:16.960 --> 0:15:23.840 why they arrested him. Black guy. Especially unfortunately, the practice 0:15:24.320 --> 0:15:26.560 that apparently this guy had had worked in the store, 0:15:26.600 --> 0:15:28.960 and so I'm not really clear if he had worked 0:15:28.960 --> 0:15:30.240 in the store, have been fired or if he'd just 0:15:30.280 --> 0:15:32.160 been hired, But apparently that was that was enough for 0:15:32.200 --> 0:15:35.040 the police. But they had no evidence, so they finally 0:15:35.080 --> 0:15:37.400 had to let him out. He did offer some conflicting 0:15:37.400 --> 0:15:40.040 accounts of his whereabouts on the on the day of 0:15:40.040 --> 0:15:43.960 the attack, but despite that, they really didn't have anything 0:15:44.000 --> 0:15:45.720 on him, so they had to let him go. And 0:15:45.760 --> 0:15:52.440 then the sumer himself was it was actually given a 0:15:52.480 --> 0:15:56.240 fair amount of scrutiny, and the police decided that they 0:15:56.280 --> 0:15:58.200 they've seen a bunch of letters. They found a bunch 0:15:58.200 --> 0:16:00.640 of letters in German, Russian and kidd Ash in his 0:16:00.720 --> 0:16:03.360 house and they decided that he was potentially possibly a 0:16:03.400 --> 0:16:06.920 German spy, so they undertook a full investigation of that, 0:16:07.640 --> 0:16:10.560 and Harriet Low finally told police that she thought he 0:16:10.600 --> 0:16:14.800 was a German spy. Eventually he was released and because 0:16:14.800 --> 0:16:19.200 he survived to theyd well no no, no, no, no, no, yeah, 0:16:19.680 --> 0:16:24.880 Lewis died, the sumer died right, but Low survived Louie 0:16:25.760 --> 0:16:33.440 Louie died, but his his mistress Harriet survived correct well. 0:16:33.480 --> 0:16:36.400 They said. Eventually, what happened with Harriet Low is that 0:16:36.920 --> 0:16:39.120 from that the blow that blows to her head from 0:16:39.120 --> 0:16:42.560 the hatchet damaged the nerves and she wanted up basically 0:16:42.560 --> 0:16:45.120 paralyzed on one side of her face, and so she 0:16:45.240 --> 0:16:47.960 underwent surgery to try to fix that, and she died 0:16:48.000 --> 0:16:50.880 in surgery. But she was she was kind of an 0:16:51.000 --> 0:16:53.800 unreliable witnessed the whole thing because she kept putting out 0:16:54.040 --> 0:16:59.520 really weird statements and and I'm quoting her saying something 0:16:59.560 --> 0:17:02.200 along the lines of, oh no, it was a mulatto man. 0:17:02.680 --> 0:17:05.479 It was a big tall man, and like, things just 0:17:05.560 --> 0:17:08.000 gone all muddled. But I'm sorry, if you've been struck 0:17:08.040 --> 0:17:11.159 in the head with an AX, you might not have 0:17:11.240 --> 0:17:14.520 the best recall. Yeah. So, yeah, so I don't know 0:17:14.600 --> 0:17:17.760 it's say. But again, they kept arresting people and they 0:17:17.800 --> 0:17:20.320 could never they could never pin it on anybody. But anyway, 0:17:20.359 --> 0:17:23.880 after she died again that a lot of attention had 0:17:24.320 --> 0:17:27.520 turned to the Sumer and so the police arrested him 0:17:27.520 --> 0:17:30.000 and charged him with murder since she died for reasons 0:17:30.040 --> 0:17:33.040 relating to the attack. And he actually went to prison it. 0:17:33.119 --> 0:17:36.440 But but eventually when the trial came around, uh, he 0:17:36.520 --> 0:17:41.640 was acquitted after a ten minute jury deliberation. Solid evidence, 0:17:42.760 --> 0:17:45.040 solid evidence. Yeah, Jerry didn't want to waste any more 0:17:45.040 --> 0:17:47.440 time on this. Oh yeah, And and she did say 0:17:47.480 --> 0:17:50.040 Harriet Low did say that she believed that it was 0:17:50.119 --> 0:17:52.479 Louis Assumer who had attacked her, but I don't know, 0:17:52.720 --> 0:17:56.159 she doesn't sound the most like the most reliable person. Okay, 0:17:56.200 --> 0:17:58.280 so next s up. The next attack did not result 0:17:58.320 --> 0:18:01.320 in death. Somebody named missus Schneider and I don't know 0:18:01.359 --> 0:18:04.600 why nobody seems to know what her first name is. Yeah, 0:18:04.600 --> 0:18:07.960 August five, so it's a couple of months have gone by, 0:18:08.000 --> 0:18:10.879 and she was pregnant, twenty eight years old, found a 0:18:10.960 --> 0:18:13.879 dark figure standing over her and was bashed in the 0:18:13.920 --> 0:18:20.040 face repeatedly, and the several cuts, lacerations, etcetera. And uh, 0:18:20.400 --> 0:18:22.120 she was found by her husband when he came home 0:18:22.160 --> 0:18:25.720 about midnight. She said she didn't really remember much about 0:18:25.720 --> 0:18:28.800 the attack. Apparently she remembered, you know, dark figure looming 0:18:28.840 --> 0:18:32.520 over her. The husband said that nothing was stolen and 0:18:32.800 --> 0:18:34.640 the windows and doors did not appeared to have been 0:18:34.680 --> 0:18:38.439 forced open, so they fled. They figured that the police 0:18:38.440 --> 0:18:41.160 figured that the weapon was a lamp that was nearby, 0:18:41.280 --> 0:18:43.440 so the guy just gave in, picked up a bashed 0:18:43.440 --> 0:18:46.600 her in the head without a bunch, but she didn't die. 0:18:46.840 --> 0:18:49.000 And this one, I kind of wonder if this one 0:18:49.080 --> 0:18:51.600 is not even related to the X Man, because you know, 0:18:51.800 --> 0:18:55.719 it's not really not really his am and you know 0:18:55.760 --> 0:18:58.720 what this is. This is my m O in every 0:18:58.720 --> 0:19:02.840 one of these stories like this, is that when you 0:19:02.920 --> 0:19:05.080 get into the middle of the one of these stories, 0:19:05.359 --> 0:19:11.320 is that this guy's m O changes. Now the reason 0:19:11.400 --> 0:19:13.119 I have to stick to the same EMMO every but 0:19:13.160 --> 0:19:17.159 when we're when we're looking at these kind of stories 0:19:17.240 --> 0:19:21.600 where it's a presumed serial killer, things are usually consistent. 0:19:21.640 --> 0:19:25.480 The shot with a forty four, they're attacked with a machete, 0:19:25.560 --> 0:19:28.919 something like that. But in each one of these cases, 0:19:29.160 --> 0:19:32.960 the only thing that seems to be consistent is that 0:19:33.320 --> 0:19:37.320 it's a weapon that's found in their home, which is 0:19:37.400 --> 0:19:40.359 just a weird. It's a weapon found in their home 0:19:40.520 --> 0:19:43.760 used to attack their head, Yeah, which is just strange. 0:19:43.840 --> 0:19:48.760 It doesn't fit what we see normal normal's the wrong word, 0:19:48.800 --> 0:19:52.399 but typical behavior in needs. So it's just it's odd. 0:19:52.520 --> 0:19:54.760 And we have also talked a little bit about the 0:19:54.760 --> 0:19:59.120 phenomena of like piggybacking and there's a serial killer when 0:19:59.160 --> 0:20:01.479 there's like a couple and then somebody's like, oh, you know, 0:20:01.600 --> 0:20:04.560 I have been meaning to attack that person, to murder somebody, 0:20:04.560 --> 0:20:06.680 and that would be a great time a time I'll 0:20:06.720 --> 0:20:09.400 just like copy the m O of the serial killer. 0:20:09.480 --> 0:20:12.080 It'll get attributed to the serial killer, and no one 0:20:12.119 --> 0:20:14.920 will be the wiser. That's why I'm really getting kind 0:20:14.920 --> 0:20:17.080 of impatient for a serial killer right here, because I've 0:20:17.080 --> 0:20:18.880 got a couple of people I need to offer. We're 0:20:18.920 --> 0:20:22.960 not doing the show anymore. Wow, that got Can we 0:20:22.960 --> 0:20:24.919 go to the next one? Now? You've made this super awkward? 0:20:25.240 --> 0:20:28.639 Or did we actually have we left details behind about 0:20:29.240 --> 0:20:32.200 Mrs Schneider. Well, let's see, but she had the baby 0:20:32.440 --> 0:20:35.639 and everything was fine there we know that. Did we 0:20:35.680 --> 0:20:38.920 say she was pregnant? Yeah, yeah, we had to say 0:20:38.960 --> 0:20:42.440 she was pregnant. But yeah, okay, so another another details 0:20:42.520 --> 0:20:44.280 that naturally the police went out and found an ex 0:20:44.320 --> 0:20:47.879 convict named James Gleeson. Uh, and they arrested him, and 0:20:47.920 --> 0:20:50.200 of course they released him because there was no evidence, 0:20:50.320 --> 0:20:53.080 and that seems to be a recurring theme in this case. 0:20:54.000 --> 0:20:58.159 And uh, the investigators began to speculate that the attack 0:20:58.280 --> 0:21:00.960 was related to the previous attacks, but I don't think. 0:21:01.119 --> 0:21:04.640 I don't think that this necessarily was. It might have been, Yeah, 0:21:04.680 --> 0:21:07.800 this one seems like a weak link, yeah, a little bit. So. 0:21:07.880 --> 0:21:11.200 Our next victim was a man named Joseph Romano. He 0:21:11.280 --> 0:21:15.040 was living with his two nieces August tenth, So this 0:21:15.040 --> 0:21:18.080 one came pretty quick on the heels of last one. Yeah, 0:21:18.080 --> 0:21:21.399 they found a sound of commotion. They probably marry his nieces. 0:21:21.440 --> 0:21:24.840 Awoke to the sound of a commotion, uh, and came 0:21:24.840 --> 0:21:26.800 into the room. They discovered that he had taken a 0:21:26.840 --> 0:21:29.639 serious bloat of the head and had two big open cuts, 0:21:29.680 --> 0:21:32.640 and the assailant was fleeting the scene, but they were 0:21:32.680 --> 0:21:34.240 able to see that he was a dark skinned, heavy 0:21:34.280 --> 0:21:36.560 set man who wore a dark suit and a slouched hat. 0:21:37.440 --> 0:21:44.320 So it sounds like maybe orson Wells. Yeah, uh, he was. 0:21:44.560 --> 0:21:46.360 He was actually injured, but he was able to watch 0:21:46.440 --> 0:21:49.200 the ambulance, so he wasn't dead yet, but he died 0:21:49.240 --> 0:21:51.360 two days later because of the head traumas well. Maybe 0:21:51.359 --> 0:21:54.360 they shouldn't have let him walk to the ambulance. Yeah, oh, 0:21:54.600 --> 0:21:57.280