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Speaker 1: Hi there, Welcome to another episode of Thinking Sideways. Yes,

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Speaker 1: that's right, where the guys that tackle lotles unsolved mysteries

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Speaker 1: and sell them for you. This week, well, well we

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Speaker 1: introduced my co host first. I'm Joe, starring along with

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Speaker 1: Devin and Steve. All right, so let's getting Yeah, we're starring.

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Speaker 1: Movie credits. I feel fancy. Yeah, where's my where's my groupies?

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Speaker 1: That's what I really want to know. I wish I

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Speaker 1: wore my good shoes for this. Now you bought that

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Speaker 1: like effortless, like celebrity slob vibe. Oh I really kind

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Speaker 1: of do. Yeah, you're lucky. I shaved today. I know

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Speaker 1: it's been a week. Been about a week for me too. Actually, okay,

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Speaker 1: let's just let's get into this thing. So this week,

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Speaker 1: in honor again of the month of October and Halloween,

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Speaker 1: we're talking we're talking about serious, creepy, grizzly, gory stuff. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, so we're gonna give you another one of

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Speaker 1: those two this week. It's we're gonna talk about the

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Speaker 1: ax Men of New Orleans, or if you actually live

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Speaker 1: in New Orleans, you want to probably call us the

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Speaker 1: Acment of Nolin's. But this is about By the way,

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Speaker 1: this was a listener suggestion, and I unfortunately can't off

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Speaker 1: the top of my head. Remember I apologize, but if

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Speaker 1: I remember your name, I will. I will. Maybe next week,

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Speaker 1: everybody have to speed on that we're gonna added to

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Speaker 1: your listeners segments. Do thank you for the for the suggestion.

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Speaker 1: Now this is a fun, grizzly, disgusting kind of thing.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, what is fun? Not going that whole string

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Speaker 1: of words. Yeah, well, I guess it's worth the mention, right,

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Speaker 1: just like last week, this week, maybe if you have

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Speaker 1: like kids that you like to listen to this podcast with,

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Speaker 1: or your squeamish or like you're at work, it's probably

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Speaker 1: not Let's say, yeah, but it's not that bad. And

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Speaker 1: at least I know you're only hearing our words, you're

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Speaker 1: not actually seeing people getting chopped up with an axe.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, that that that is what the

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Speaker 1: X Men was all about. He was an axe murderer,

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Speaker 1: all right. So the X Man was a serial killer

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Speaker 1: in New Orleans. And also he actually murdered a few

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Speaker 1: people outside as a suburb of New Orleans called Gretin

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Speaker 1: that which is right across the river. And then he

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Speaker 1: operated between May nineteen eighteen and October nineteen nineteen, so

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Speaker 1: just like a year, year and a half, basically year

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Speaker 1: connect them to some murders that took place earlier on

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Speaker 1: about nineteen eleven nineteen twelve. It's generally believed that they

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Speaker 1: were not connected. Yeah, the the m O wasn't exactly

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Speaker 1: to see, Yeah, not exactly. And actually, of all the

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Speaker 1: all the killings and attacks that that were attributed to

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Speaker 1: the axe man, I'm not sure all of these that

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Speaker 1: people count towards the axe men, I'm not sure all

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Speaker 1: of these were actually the same guy. I don't think

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Speaker 1: that anyway. They were usually attacked with an axe, sometimes

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Speaker 1: a straight razor. One account of the last murder, which

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Speaker 1: is Mike Peppertoni he was killed in October nineteen nineteen,

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Speaker 1: UH says that he was not beating to death with

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Speaker 1: often to let the weapon was laying around. They would

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Speaker 1: have obviously a lot of people heated their homes with

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Speaker 1: Many of them were also Italian shopkeepers, which led some

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Speaker 1: Actually let other people to suspect that maybe the X

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Speaker 1: Men just didn't like Italians. As an Italian person, I

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Speaker 1: They're crazy, but not everybody. Yeah. Uh. He generally entered

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Speaker 1: when you've got multiple panels, And he would take a chisel,

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Speaker 1: the beveled edges that actually hold the yet molding. And

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Speaker 1: so what you're saying is that he was chiseling that

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Speaker 1: some people, well actually theorizes that the accident was a

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Speaker 1: a dozen chisels to his MasterCard? Or you know, I

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Speaker 1: like bought a dozen a dozen or so chisels. Maybe

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Speaker 1: before I start talking about the murders of the X

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Speaker 1: man sent a very famous letter which I am not

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Speaker 1: of it, but he said it's a very famous letter

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Speaker 1: If it was written by the Axe Man, and I've

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Speaker 1: read that letter, the Axe Man is a loon, seriously

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Speaker 1: off their rocker. Things that are said in that letter,

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Speaker 1: something alluding to I am, you know, basically the spirit

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Speaker 1: of death and I'm ephemeral and YadA YadA, YadA. Is like, whoa, yeah,

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Speaker 1: because that's unusual for somebody who goes around hacking people.

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Speaker 1: Uh huh wow, well yeah, i'd have off your rocket.

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Speaker 1: Want I'll go to slaughter people with an X anyway? Yeah, anyway,

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Speaker 1: So the if you want to do a Google on that,

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Speaker 1: I like it. Actually, it's well written. Yeah, it's kind

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Speaker 1: Do you want to read part of it? Let me

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Speaker 1: when the letter came in, Because it comes in a

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Speaker 1: letter a little later. So let's talk about the departed.

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Speaker 1: So the first victims were Joseph and Catherine Mojo. I

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Speaker 1: but essentially he's he got there. He cut their throats

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Speaker 1: again the straight razor belonged to the brother who ran

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Speaker 1: Uh So anyway, he naturally he became he became a

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Speaker 1: of the brother. The brother found them. He lived right

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Speaker 1: the same thing because of similarities in the attacks. Um

426
00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:12,639
Speaker 1: and then he wanted he would speculate even further. I

427
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:14,680
Speaker 1: think this is just kind of silliness here. But he

428
00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:19,560
Speaker 1: described he basically tried to profile the killer as an

429
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:23,160
Speaker 1: individual with dual personalities who killed without motive and basically

430
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:26,879
Speaker 1: just had two personalities when he slipped into his killer mode,

431
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,720
Speaker 1: you know, his other personality maybe even wasn't aware of it.

432
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:33,159
Speaker 1: And there's no reason, there's no sport any of that.

433
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:39,200
Speaker 1: That sounds like sensationalization right there. To me. Yeah, but

434
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:41,320
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to detract from this, and I know

435
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,240
Speaker 1: that sometimes we fall into that, but this just sounds

436
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,640
Speaker 1: like I'm making a statement to the news to generate

437
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:52,520
Speaker 1: awareness and I'm not buying that. Yeah, So I almost

438
00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:55,280
Speaker 1: wonder if it was like a ploy to like convince

439
00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:59,160
Speaker 1: the murderer to come forward, because if you heard that, yeah,

440
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:01,800
Speaker 1: like if you had heard but like, oh, yeah, we

441
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:03,880
Speaker 1: think it's this person, and like we don't really blame

442
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 1: him because like we think it's just like dual personnelity

443
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:08,359
Speaker 1: can't control it. He doesn't even know he's doing it.

444
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 1: And you're like, oh, well, I have been killing people,

445
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:16,200
Speaker 1: should them? I can't control sir. It could be that,

446
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:19,040
Speaker 1: you know, that might actually be a worthwhile tactic in

447
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 1: a situation like this, too, make statements that you know

448
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:25,600
Speaker 1: aren't true, and on the because you know the killer

449
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:27,320
Speaker 1: is almost certainly reading the papers, and he might be

450
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:29,359
Speaker 1: attempted to try to contact you. It's at the record

451
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:32,040
Speaker 1: straight and uh, you know he's not gonna necessarily turn

452
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,879
Speaker 1: himself in, but even writing a letter might provide a

453
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:37,120
Speaker 1: clue or too. Anyway, let's move on here. I don't

454
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:38,680
Speaker 1: want to spend too much more time with the victims.

455
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 1: The next ones were and I apologize if you're Italian

456
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 1: and this is your last name, and I mispronounced Charles

457
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:47,639
Speaker 1: Court to Miglia, Miglia Court to Biglia, and Rosie and

458
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,439
Speaker 1: Mary Court to Meiglia. So a guy, his wife, Rosie,

459
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 1: and their daughter Mary. He lived in Gretna, which is

460
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,920
Speaker 1: just across the river from New Orleans, so it's really

461
00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:00,879
Speaker 1: really pretty much part of New Orleans. March tenth nine.

462
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,159
Speaker 1: Noticed a big gap there too, between August tenth and

463
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 1: March tenth. There's quite a few months. Yeah, I'm not sure.

464
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,640
Speaker 1: I know, he might have been off murdering people elsewhere,

465
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:12,720
Speaker 1: or he could have been maybe in jail. Maybe the

466
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 1: little stint in jail hard to say. So. Screams were

467
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 1: heard coming from their house. A guy named Orlando Giorgiano, yeah,

468
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,440
Speaker 1: one across the street just to to investigate the screams.

469
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 1: When he got in there, he knows that Charles and

470
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:28,840
Speaker 1: his wife Rosie and there a daughter Mary had all

471
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:32,159
Speaker 1: been attacked. Rosie was alive with the hair with the

472
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 1: head wound, but her daughter was dead and Charles was

473
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 1: laying on the floor bleeding. They were rushed to the

474
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:42,119
Speaker 1: hospital and they both had skull fractures, and as in

475
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:45,359
Speaker 1: previous incidents, nothing was stolen from the house. A panel

476
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:46,920
Speaker 1: on the back door had been chiseled away and a

477
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 1: bloody access found in the back porch at the home.

478
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 1: Charles was released in a couple of days and he survived,

479
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 1: and then Rosie stayed in men under medical care because

480
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,480
Speaker 1: she was more seriously injured. When she walked up, she

481
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 1: claimed that the guy that rush to the scene, Orlando Jordando,

482
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 1: He and his son were supposedly responsible for the attacks.

483
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 1: Orlando was sixty nine years old and it was thought

484
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:13,440
Speaker 1: that he was too probably too old and frail to

485
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:15,959
Speaker 1: have actually done this, but his son was a lot

486
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 1: younger and was six ft tall and wagh two hundred pounds,

487
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,879
Speaker 1: so you know he possibly could have done it, but

488
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 1: Charles Courtmiglia said that his wife's claims were wrong and

489
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 1: so and she had been bashed in the head. Well yeah,

490
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,200
Speaker 1: and again the same thing. You've been wailed in the head.

491
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:35,679
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I mean, yeah, head traumas can really can

492
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,679
Speaker 1: really do a number one. It really screws up your

493
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 1: term memory. Oh yeah. Yeah. Also, you know, given that

494
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:46,159
Speaker 1: she saw him right after the attack, right, you know,

495
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 1: I think that she misunderstood the situation. Yeah, that you

496
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 1: could think, yeah, so you associate the attack and a person,

497
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 1: and your brain is just like that person was there,

498
00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:00,879
Speaker 1: so I think it. Yeah. So I don't know what,

499
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:04,400
Speaker 1: if any other evidence was available, but they were arrested,

500
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 1: they were tried, and they were found guilty. Frank the

501
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 1: younger the younger one was sentenced to hang and his

502
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 1: father was sentenced to life in prison. And about a

503
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 1: year later, Rosie retracted her statement her husband divorce her

504
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,360
Speaker 1: because he was like, no, that's not true, and then yeah,

505
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 1: and then she kept saying yeah, that's true, and he

506
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 1: was like, you're such a liar. I haven't Yeah. I

507
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 1: I don't know if that was the actual reason for it.

508
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:29,680
Speaker 1: That might have been part of the reason I don't.

509
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 1: I know, he did divorce her. But I also think,

510
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:36,920
Speaker 1: and this is very symptomatic situations like this, is that

511
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 1: their their child who was an infant, has been killed,

512
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 1: and that does not do good things for a relationship,

513
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:50,200
Speaker 1: and it's usually the catalyst for things not continuing to work.

514
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 1: And so it could have been very well. Then it

515
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 1: wasn't his issue with her claims of the guilt of

516
00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 1: this man, but just they could wouldn't reconcile what had happened,

517
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:06,920
Speaker 1: and that's also a reason for why they would have split. Yeah,

518
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 1: So anyway, whatever there is, I don't know, and I

519
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:11,440
Speaker 1: don't know what happened to her. He would think that

520
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 1: if she had made false accusations like that, she could

521
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 1: be arrested and jailed herself. But also I mean I

522
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 1: think that, Yeah, there's there's the sympathetic aspect there for

523
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:28,440
Speaker 1: you know, concost mother who lost child. I mean, I

524
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 1: can see why they wouldn't go after her, but I

525
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 1: don't see why they went after these other two gentlemen either. Yeah,

526
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 1: well they had to arrest somebody, No they didn't. So

527
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 1: about about three days after this incident, the accpent sat

528
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 1: down and penned that famous letter, the one from Hell

529
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 1: March stated March thirteenth, A steam mortal. They have never

530
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 1: caught me, and they never will. They have never seen

531
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 1: me before. I am invisible, even as each of the

532
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 1: surrounds your earth. I am not a human being, but

533
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 1: a spirit and a demon from the Hoddest. Tell I

534
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 1: am what you are, Lenians, and your foolis police called

535
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 1: the axe Man. When I see fit, I shall come

536
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 1: and claim O they're victims. I alone know whom they

537
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 1: shall be. I shall lead no clue except my bloody

538
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 1: acts be smeared with blood and brains of he whom

539
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 1: I have sent below to keep me company. Guys, let

540
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 1: me know when you're done to listening to this thing.

541
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 1: We don't have to read that on the entire thing.

542
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 1: How much more we got. That's only the second paragraph. Yeah,

543
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 1: let me skip a little bit here. Um. Undoubtedly your

544
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 1: Lenians think of me as a most horrible murderer, which

545
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 1: I am. But I could be much worse if I

546
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 1: wanted to. If I wish, I could pay a visit

547
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 1: to your city every night at will, I could slay

548
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 1: thousands of your best citizens. For I am in a

549
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 1: close relationship with the angel of death. Alright, we can stop. Yeah,

550
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 1: that's just yeah, not a nutter. Yeah, okay, real quickly though,

551
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 1: I knew he wouldn't see. Yeah, so I'll skip me

552
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 1: a little bit. In my infinite mercery. I'm gonna make

553
00:29:57,840 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 1: a little proposition to you people here. It is I'm

554
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 1: very fond of jazz music, and I swear by all

555
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 1: the devils in the n ether, by all the devils

556
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 1: in the nether regions, that every person shall be spared

557
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 1: in whose home a jazz band is in full swing

558
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 1: at the time I have just mentioned. If everyone has

559
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 1: a jazz band going well, then so much the better

560
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 1: for you people. One thing is certain, and that is

561
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 1: that some of your people who did not jazz on

562
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 1: Tuesday night, if there be any, we'll get the ax. Okay,

563
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 1: So that's there's more about. Just go out and read it. Yeah,

564
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 1: that's a great letter, very well done. Yeah, there's got

565
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 1: one weird, outstanding like paragraph. Basically the rest of it

566
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 1: is like kind of good. It's kind of like perfect

567
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 1: ax murdering. It's this kind of sinister in it urban

568
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 1: and in a little crazy, but like that's what you

569
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 1: want from your ax murder. You don't want your ox

570
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 1: murder to be like a totally normal Joe, Joe, what

571
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 1: do we what do we got next? Yeah? Okay, so

572
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 1: a little bit of time goes by August. This is

573
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 1: actually heat the that one occurred exactly a year before this. Interesting.

574
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 1: I don't know if I never noticed that, but there's

575
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 1: a little symmetry there. Yeah, there is. So a guy

576
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 1: named Steve Boca, another grocer, another Italian, of course, they

577
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 1: had an apartment above or next to his store, and

578
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 1: he was attacked as he slept by somebody with an ax.

579
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: He awoke, found a dark figure looming over his bed,

580
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 1: got whacked but didn't get killed. His head had been

581
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 1: sort of cracked open. He went to his neighbor's home,

582
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 1: where he collapsed, but he survived. And they found once

583
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 1: again that a pamela on the back door had been

584
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 1: chiseled out, and that in this particular case, he didn't

585
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: say anything about whether he had left the axe behind

586
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 1: or not, so he couldn't remember anything of any of

587
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 1: the details of the attack. Really. Our next victim Sarah Laman.

588
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 1: She was attacked on September three, nine. They she lived alone,

589
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 1: She was nineteen years old, and the neighbors seems odd

590
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 1: for the time, but it is. Yeah, but and without family. Yeah,

591
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 1: but apparently her neighbors there, Her neighbors kept an eye

592
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 1: on her, and they kept they would come back and

593
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 1: check on her, and that she wasn't answering the door.

594
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 1: So they wound up breaking in and they found her

595
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 1: unconscious out our bed, severe head injury and has some

596
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 1: teeth broken out. The intruder apparently it entered through an

597
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 1: open window and hit her with a blond object. Bloody

598
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 1: axe was discovered on the front lawn, and so it

599
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 1: was attributed to the axe man. She again, like the

600
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 1: previous guy, recovered but couldn't recall any details about the attack. Okay, next,

601
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 1: and this is our last victim. Mike Peppertoni was attacked

602
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 1: October n his wife and I'm not really sure if

603
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 1: they were sleeping in the same bed or what it was.

604
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 1: It's not rare, you know, for times like these for

605
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 1: people to not be sleeping in the same bed or

606
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 1: the same room, or for proper reasons of moral standing,

607
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 1: or maybe because somebody snores, or maybe you know, well,

608
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 1: no that that is a kind of a common thing.

609
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 1: And actually it's been proven that it's actually good for

610
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 1: some people to sleep in separate beds. But I'm just

611
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 1: trying to determine is this a it's the nineties fifties

612
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 1: husband whife sleep in different beds kind of theory, or

613
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 1: she was just sleeping somewhere else. That's what I understand.

614
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 1: It sounds that she was sleeping in a different room. Yeah,

615
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: there's there's the social stigma of sleeping in separate rooms

616
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 1: didn't really come about until like the sixties. Well, you know,

617
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 1: I watched Leave It to Beaver as a kid, so

618
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 1: I understand that that's the way it was supposed to

619
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 1: have always been. You're really destroying a lot of my

620
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 1: preconceptions of how life is supposed to be. Yeah, I

621
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 1: I didn't have to buy that extra bed from my

622
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 1: house anyway, Joe. But you know, as you mentioned, like

623
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,959
Speaker 1: a bigger beds of luxury. So like, if you if

624
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 1: there's any kind of sleep, you know, when you're sleeping

625
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 1: in a queen bed with somebody, right, you're like, okay,

626
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 1: well that's mildly annoying. But if you're like trying to

627
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 1: sleep on a twin mattress with somebody else, you're like, nope, nope,

628
00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:00,040
Speaker 1: not tonight. No. Yeah, So anyway, you know. It's so

629
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 1: I'm assuming that from what I've heard about this, that

630
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 1: they were in separate rooms. She hears him, she hears noise,

631
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 1: and she gets to his bedroom and a large axe

632
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 1: wielding man is comes out fleeing the scene and he'd

633
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,800
Speaker 1: been struck in the head that was covered with blood.

634
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 1: There was spatter all over the room, all over the walls.

635
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 1: Mrs Peppertoni was not able to really describe the characteristics

636
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 1: of the killer, and her description was just downright vague. Uh,

637
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 1: And there's a reason to suspect that maybe she didn't

638
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:31,839
Speaker 1: tell the police everything. Yeah. And and also, by the way,

639
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,240
Speaker 1: this is the one, this is the one where another

640
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 1: version of this, he was not beating to death or

641
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 1: chopped with an axe. He was beating to death with

642
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:39,800
Speaker 1: a with an eighteen inch long pipe that had a

643
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:43,359
Speaker 1: big nut on the on one end of it. Yeah. Yeah,

644
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,320
Speaker 1: entirely possible. Again, this weird m O issue that I

645
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,240
Speaker 1: talked about earlier that bothers me about this story. Yeah,

646
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 1: maybe he didn't have an ax laying around. Maybe he

647
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 1: just had a big old piece of pipe laying around. Yeah.

648
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 1: So anyway, I also want to like point out that

649
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:02,839
Speaker 1: for somebody who's like a quote unquote serial killer didn't

650
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 1: really kill how many people he was the majority of

651
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 1: his victims survived. Yeah, he was a kind of incompetent,

652
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:14,720
Speaker 1: he didn't he actually didn't kill everybody. So if killing

653
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 1: was the intention, right, incompetent would be the word. If

654
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 1: killing was not the intention, then fairly successful except for

655
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 1: a couple of screw ups, I guess, I mean to

656
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:33,280
Speaker 1: be fair though, like that first one doesn't is actually

657
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 1: like the least like the m O right, he like

658
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 1: slipped their throats, killing them and then bashed their head

659
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 1: in with a and the rest of them they were

660
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 1: just like attacked their bash over the head a bunch

661
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 1: of times and either they died from it or they didn't.

662
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 1: But so that's odd to me. But yeah, you know,

663
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,360
Speaker 1: it might be that a lot of these people didn't

664
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 1: die because he didn't really intend to kill him and

665
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:02,800
Speaker 1: said that there's maybe as another serial murder cases, Perhaps

666
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:04,919
Speaker 1: there was just one person that he wanted to murder

667
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,320
Speaker 1: for sure. So and then you had to go around

668
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 1: and make it look like a random, unconnected string of

669
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 1: syria like that just before. I just think that is

670
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: obscene because there's just so much work involved that. Yeah,

671
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna duck it and try and avoid the

672
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 1: heat and the coppers and see if I can get

673
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:29,879
Speaker 1: away with it. Yeah, there's that too, I mean because

674
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 1: a million people have done it and gone away with

675
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 1: it that way. Oh yeah, so that's just that's just

676
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 1: a long game, which I don't I don't think is

677
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 1: really the way this would go. True. There is a

678
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 1: pretty short list of suspects. Actually there's only really two.

679
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 1: So yeah, this is again because Steve's going to hate this,

680
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 1: I think, right last week when we were like, well

681
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 1: there's two suspects, Well did you you've included in the

682
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 1: list when I sent you, right, Jake Bird, Yeah, okay,

683
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,320
Speaker 1: I actually had to send him a suspect because this

684
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 1: frustrated me so much. I found a suspect. He has

685
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 1: made one up totally. Yeah, no, I had. I had

686
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 1: to keep digging business difficult to find suspects in this

687
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 1: story because I mean, again, we're talking the late nineteen

688
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 1: The record keeping is not an efficient process. No one

689
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 1: was like backing up their hard drives or anything. Literal

690
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:35,240
Speaker 1: card catalog yeah and handwritten notes in a vault. And oops,

691
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:39,800
Speaker 1: the police station burned down, so that it's very frustrating.

692
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 1: That's that's what I sent him. A suspect. But we're

693
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:44,799
Speaker 1: not gonna We're not gonna go there. We're gonna start

694
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 1: with your first one. Like the first one better well

695
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 1: the first one, yeah, I think actually is a is

696
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 1: a better suspect. So this guy's name was Joseph mom Free.

697
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,319
Speaker 1: I've seen his name spelled so many different ways. Yeah,

698
00:37:56,400 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 1: and mom Free free man for Mumford and son. Somebody

699
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 1: call yeah, somebody called the Leon j Manfree um. So

700
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 1: this guy was shot to death in Los Angeles again

701
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 1: at Counts Varry. This is again, like so many of

702
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 1: our stories, it's gotten so garbled over the years. It

703
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 1: was shot to death in either December nineteen nineteen or

704
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 1: December ninety or December, but definitely December, Yeah, definitely December,

705
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 1: definitely in Los Angeles. A guy named Richard Warner did

706
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:29,800
Speaker 1: a lot of research on the mob in Los Angeles

707
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 1: and New Orleans, and he's kind of recast his story

708
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 1: as mafia warfare rather than some sort of demonic serial killer,

709
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 1: and which might explain all the Italians of all to

710
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 1: the story. Joseph Monfrey was also known in New Orleans

711
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 1: as frank quote Doc unquote Mumfree and so that was

712
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 1: probably his real name. He was involved apparently with the mob.

713
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 1: He uh, he got involved in murders, extortions, bombings, kidnappings,

714
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 1: He did all kinds of good stuff. He were okay,

715
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,240
Speaker 1: he looked relocated to l A in late nineteen nineteen.

716
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:04,879
Speaker 1: So if he was the killer, that was explaining why

717
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 1: you're stopped because he was later joined Yeah, yeah, and

718
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,839
Speaker 1: I'm not. And this is a lot of a lot

719
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,880
Speaker 1: of this in this interesting information I'm about to unload

720
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 1: on you all. Is I want to give a little

721
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 1: credit here this crime writer named Michael Newton who did

722
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:25,720
Speaker 1: a lot of research and wrote a bunch of stuff

723
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 1: on this. And also again that other guy, Richard what's

724
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 1: his face, Richard Warner. Richard Warner pieced together most of this. Ye,

725
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:38,280
Speaker 1: Richard Warrener pieced together most of this. So apparently Mumprey

726
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 1: moved to l A opened a drug store. And because

727
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:43,880
Speaker 1: I didn't mention he was called Doc. That was his

728
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 1: nickname because he was actually a pharmacist by trade, and

729
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 1: so that's explains the nickname. So he opens a drug

730
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 1: store and I don't know if that was a prod

731
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 1: or maybe he was just wanted to get out of

732
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 1: get out of his life of crime. I'm not sure.

733
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,839
Speaker 1: He was joined in Los Angeles by an associate from

734
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:03,800
Speaker 1: New Orleans and below Albano Albano opened an Italian grocery.

735
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 1: So I guess what he got He wind up dying apparently, Yeah,

736
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,919
Speaker 1: he des Italian groceries. Just remind me never to open,

737
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 1: especially when Doc Mum frees around. Yeah, Albano Albano, after

738
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 1: a year or two, disappeared. His wife accused mum Free

739
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:23,799
Speaker 1: of murdering him. Oh yeah, yeah, this this is where

740
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,320
Speaker 1: he gets harry. This is where it gets a little strange.

741
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 1: So a few months after the disappearance, he reported this

742
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 1: to the police. The police basically did nothing, or maybe

743
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 1: they'd investigated but really couldn't come up with anything. Mumfree

744
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 1: went to the widow's house, she threatened, He threatened her

745
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 1: and demanded money, and she shot him and standing woman

746
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 1: of the community. Her name was Esther Albano. She was

747
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 1: also the widow of Mike Pepperoni. Yeah he's he's the

748
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 1: first victim. He's the last one, okay, Yeah, apparently the one,

749
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 1: the one who had like a bunch of kids and couldn't,

750
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 1: and he just was like, I don't know who murdered

751
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 1: my husband, right, yeah, well apparently, yeah, apparently she was.

752
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 1: She was out in l a and she met Angelo

753
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,879
Speaker 1: Angelo Albano, and they got they woked up getting married,

754
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,720
Speaker 1: and then of course he gets apparently disappeared and murdered.

755
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 1: And so she told the police that mon Prey actually

756
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 1: killed two of her husbands. Because of this, now she's

757
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:24,360
Speaker 1: accusing him, even though she said at the time that

758
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 1: Mike PEPPTONI was killed, that she didn't she didn't know,

759
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 1: I gave very vague descriptions. Now she seemed sure that

760
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 1: mont pretty actually was a killer. So it could be well,

761
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 1: it could be I mean, well, anyway she and her

762
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:42,320
Speaker 1: husband had been involved with the mafia, then obviously you

763
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 1: don't you don't tell the cops anything, so that unless

764
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 1: you want to die. Yeah, But of course if that

765
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 1: was the case, and I'm not sure why she's talking

766
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:52,839
Speaker 1: to the police at this point in time either, well,

767
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess there's also the argument to be made,

768
00:41:54,920 --> 00:42:00,839
Speaker 1: right that, like maybe she was going for Albano anyways, right,

769
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 1: like she wanted to be with him, and this is

770
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:06,760
Speaker 1: like the lady version of this right, Like she wanted

771
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 1: to be with Albano, and so Albano was like, hey, Murphy,

772
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 1: you're pretty good at this killing thing. Why don't you

773
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 1: killed my lady's husband on the side like that, Like

774
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 1: that is a good theory. I like that. I mean,

775
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 1: you know, hey, you've been killing all these people who

776
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 1: are attacking all these people. Why don't you like do

777
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 1: me a favor? You know, it would explain why she

778
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 1: ended up with a guy who was associated with somebody

779
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 1: who might have killed her husband. Okay, but but I

780
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 1: just have to say that that would be the weirdest

781
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 1: pillow talk ever for sure. So I've totally been hacking

782
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 1: people up with hatchets or axes and lead pipes and

783
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 1: straight razors and you're the best and I want to

784
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 1: be with you ever oh so great? No, no, no,

785
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,359
Speaker 1: it goes different than that. The pillow talk is like, man,

786
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 1: I really love you when I want to be with you,

787
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 1: but my husband's in the way. You know, somebody maybe

788
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 1: chop him up. Yeah, because you know you're part of

789
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 1: the mafia. So like, do you think you know somebody?

790
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 1: And yeah, I know a guy. Yeah, I'll see if

791
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 1: I can get him to do it. Yeah, that it

792
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 1: wouldn't have been Alipino, that it would have sure, well,

793
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, if movies have taught me anything, it's

794
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 1: that that very often happened. Yeah, guys like Jack Nicholson

795
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:32,760
Speaker 1: and Jessica what's your name? Or yeah. So uh So, anyway,

796
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:35,880
Speaker 1: he shot or she shot Momprey to death. She claimed

797
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 1: self defense, but she was arrested, tried, and convicted for it. Anyhow,

798
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 1: she was sentced to ten years and didn't do all

799
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 1: that time. I think she only did two or three years.

800
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,319
Speaker 1: A man named a crime writer I just mentioned him

801
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 1: actually a few minutes ago, Michael Newton. She searched or

802
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 1: he searched the police and court records in Los Angeles

803
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 1: and he couldn't find anybody named mom Pree being killed

804
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 1: and that at that time. So he was kind of

805
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 1: trying to debunk this whole thing. But Richard Warner, the

806
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:03,399
Speaker 1: other guy, did actually do a search and he found

807
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:07,399
Speaker 1: a death certificate for Leon J. Manfree issued by Los

808
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 1: Angeles County in one or wherever I can't remember now,

809
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 1: but well the dates were mixed up. We don't have

810
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 1: a solid date. So he did find that. So and

811
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 1: that's this guy let's let's let's not forget his name

812
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 1: was Frank quote unquote Doc mom Free or Joseph mom

813
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:28,440
Speaker 1: Free or god knows what. He might have had a

814
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 1: lot of aliases. Maybe maybe Leon Mumfree was his actual

815
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 1: real name. I don't know, but maybe that's the fake

816
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 1: idea that they found on him when they found his corpse.

817
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. Or the one person who came to

818
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 1: I d M it was like, oh, yeah, that's Leon. Yeah.

819
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 1: So so anyway, that's that's our suspect. He may or

820
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 1: may not be the guy nobody else. He seems to

821
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:53,720
Speaker 1: be everybody else's favorite too, okay. Suspect number two Jake Bird.

822
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 1: So Jake Bird was a transient and he moved all

823
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:01,359
Speaker 1: around the country. He took jobs working at a labor

824
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:04,319
Speaker 1: working on railroads. Has a quote unquote candy dancwer, which

825
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,800
Speaker 1: I which is a strange sounding thing, but apparently gandy

826
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 1: dancers are the guys that lay the tracks and maintained

827
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 1: the tracks. So he did a little work on railroads

828
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:16,479
Speaker 1: doing that kind of stuff. That's a weird phrase. Yeah,

829
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 1: I don't know why. I don't understand it, but I'll

830
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 1: just let it go. It's pretty random. Right, know that

831
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 1: he was born and raised and guess where Louisiana. Yeah,

832
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 1: born December fourteenth, nineteen o one, which would have made

833
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 1: him seventeen at the time of the first murder, assuming

834
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 1: at the nineteen eleven nineteen twelve stuff. And I is

835
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 1: not connected And I can't believe he's murdering people at

836
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:42,839
Speaker 1: ten years old. Yeah, Yeah, that's a disturbed individual if

837
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 1: that's the case. Yeah, I don't I don't buy that. Yeah,

838
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 1: Jake Bird was in and out of jailist whole life. Reportedly,

839
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:51,919
Speaker 1: he served over his lifetime a total thirty one years.

840
00:45:52,560 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 1: And how old was he when he died? He was Yeah,

841
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:02,279
Speaker 1: I know, he spent a lot of time in jail.

842
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:05,799
Speaker 1: Holy crap. And that's actually a good thing because I mean,

843
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,319
Speaker 1: if he was as prolific a killer as we are

844
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 1: led to believe, then imagine how many more corpses he

845
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 1: would have left. Yeah. So he was arrested October thirtieth seven,

846
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:19,359
Speaker 1: and good old Tacoma, Washington, one of my favorite towns

847
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 1: to drive through. Yeah, he asked murdered two women. It

848
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:25,760
Speaker 1: was a lady. It was back murder ladies and gentlemen

849
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 1: picked up he as murdered him with an ax that

850
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 1: he found on their property. He was it was a

851
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:34,879
Speaker 1: woman and her seventeen year old daughter, and uh, yeah,

852
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 1: he went inside and grabbed an axe from the woodshed outside.

853
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:41,360
Speaker 1: Apparently went inside and it was apparently port into some

854
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 1: accounts that I read, trying to rape the mother and

855
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 1: then she resisted. He started chopping with the acts of

856
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:49,800
Speaker 1: daughter comes in and tries to interrupts, and so she

857
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 1: gets hacked, and then he flees and police see him

858
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:55,880
Speaker 1: fleeing the scene because the neighbors had called the police

859
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:58,839
Speaker 1: because they heard all these screams. And the police chase

860
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 1: him and they catch him, and uh, he claimed He

861
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:04,400
Speaker 1: claimed first that he hadn't he didn't know what they

862
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 1: were talking about, but he had. He had like blood

863
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 1: and gray matter all over his clothes. Don't know, I

864
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 1: don't know what you're talking about, officer is. Yeah, Yeah,

865
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 1: I was just totally bleeding myself. Yeah. And the judicial

866
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 1: system was a little less sclerotic back in those days.

867
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 1: It moved pretty quick. He was arrested in October and

868
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 1: he was tried in November, and the trial lasted, I

869
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:32,360
Speaker 1: believe two and a half days, and the jury deliberate.

870
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 1: I believe thirty five minutes. Yeah, so this is an

871
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:41,400
Speaker 1: episode of law and Order right now. So after he

872
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 1: was convicted and he was sent to death row, he

873
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 1: was in Walla Walla State Penitentiary. He asked for clemency.

874
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 1: Basically he wanted them to put off his date of death.

875
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 1: And his bargaining ship was he promised to convest to

876
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 1: forty four other murders. He said he had knowledge he

877
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 1: had committed forty four other murder years part or taken

878
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 1: part into. Yeah, this guy was a fairly successful serial killer.

879
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 1: I mean for having spent thirty one years of his

880
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 1: life in jail. So where all is he is? He

881
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,840
Speaker 1: saying that he he did all this killing because obviously

882
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:19,319
Speaker 1: it wasn't just Washington. Yeah, it was all all over

883
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:22,400
Speaker 1: the country. Uh, they were actually able to solve I

884
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 1: think eleven or twelve crimes based on his confessions not

885
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 1: and some of the other ones. They didn't believe him,

886
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 1: but they found they were murders in Illinois, Colorado, Kentucky, Neraska, Kansas,

887
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 1: South Dakota, Ohio, Florida, Texas, Wisconsin, and of course Washington

888
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:40,400
Speaker 1: were Kakomba is situated. Uh, he didn't confess to anything

889
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:43,800
Speaker 1: in New Orleans. He was put to death July, so

890
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 1: that would have made him what forty seven years old,

891
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 1: forty eight years old. Yeah. So the reason to think

892
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 1: he might have been the killing Well, he liked, he

893
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 1: liked the whole acts thing. Apparently he killed. He claimed

894
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:01,759
Speaker 1: have killed a lot of people using acts. Uh. And

895
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 1: like the axe Man, he used an axe or an hatchet,

896
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:08,279
Speaker 1: a hatchet found at the victims homes. And he's sneaky looking.

897
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 1: I've seen pictures of him. That's incredible reason I think shifty. Yeah, Okay,

898
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 1: the reasons I don't think he's a killer nothing. In

899
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:25,360
Speaker 1: the case of the axe Man, he didn't take anything

900
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 1: from the victims homes. He wasn't there to rob them.

901
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 1: And in the case of Jake Bird, it seemed to

902
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 1: me like the guy probably could have used money. He

903
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 1: was a transient taking odd jobs and stuff. Yeah. If

904
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 1: you see a bunch of stuff laying around this valuable.

905
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 1: If you see some cash, you're gonna take it, right. Yeah,

906
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 1: that's one reason I don't think he was the ax Man.

907
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 1: Another reason is he did confess and gave details about

908
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:47,800
Speaker 1: a lot of murders, but he never confessed to anything

909
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 1: in New Orleans seems like, yeah, even though there are

910
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:54,279
Speaker 1: people who think that he was indeed the infamous ax

911
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:57,239
Speaker 1: man of New Orleans, now he didn't really volunteer to

912
00:49:57,239 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 1: take credit for those Why wouldn't he, Oh, listen, you know, Okay, again,

913
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 1: this is trying to step into the mind of somebody

914
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 1: that I've never met a hundred years ago. But maybe

915
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 1: he has somebody in that area that he's protecting. In

916
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 1: other words, you know, he might have had family that

917
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 1: were involved in some of these things that he did,

918
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 1: or that helped cover it up, and he doesn't want

919
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:25,319
Speaker 1: to spill the beans on him. I mean, I mean,

920
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:30,359
Speaker 1: this is complete and total, just made up. But I'm

921
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:32,360
Speaker 1: just I'm just trying to think, because if he is

922
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 1: that prolific and he's from that area, why wouldn't he

923
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 1: start there, you know what I'm saying, in a place

924
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:43,880
Speaker 1: to practice your craft. Yeah, people don't come upon just

925
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 1: killing people at thirty. They you know, when they have

926
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:52,239
Speaker 1: this kind of serial compulsion, These things, these behaviors, these

927
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 1: things start out early. So it seems like he would

928
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 1: have been doing it where he lived. Now. I don't know, Joe,

929
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:02,759
Speaker 1: I never all when I read the information on Jake Bird,

930
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:05,800
Speaker 1: but do you know how old was he when he

931
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:08,840
Speaker 1: left New Orleans? Do you know? Well he was he

932
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 1: was actually born and raised in rural Louisiana, so I

933
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:14,239
Speaker 1: don't I'm not well in Louisia, Louisiana. He left when

934
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 1: he was nineteen, okay, so he would have been in

935
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 1: the area, which I mean, this is again I'm just

936
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 1: making is the last official attack and then he leaves

937
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:35,359
Speaker 1: the area. Course, this is all everything about this guy

938
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:38,239
Speaker 1: that was was you know, like his birth, his date

939
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:41,280
Speaker 1: of birth, where he was born, when he left rural

940
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 1: Louisiana to travel the country. It was all basically what

941
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 1: he told the cops, so he could have been lying

942
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 1: about all too um. And then I also and my

943
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 1: biggest problem is like why would you admit to some

944
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:55,400
Speaker 1: but not all of the murders that especially if they

945
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 1: were you know, kind of this prolific sort of like

946
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:02,759
Speaker 1: beginning period where like there's a lot of I guess

947
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 1: kind of bargaining material there particularly to be able to

948
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 1: say like, hey, if you stand my life, I'll admit

949
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 1: to being the New Orleans as murderer. I mean, yeah,

950
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 1: you know, well, And the thing about it is is

951
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 1: the act that the New Orleans acts murders were the

952
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:22,360
Speaker 1: most notorious ones, ones that got the most publicity. You

953
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 1: think that he would be in a sense, it's it's

954
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 1: kind of twisted, but you think he would be proudest

955
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 1: of that accomplishment and want to tell I want to

956
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:30,319
Speaker 1: tell the world about it. I was the ax man.

957
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 1: I put that city in fear. Yeah, everybody lived in

958
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 1: terror of me. Of course until they listened to jazz music. Yeah,

959
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 1: listen to jazz music, you'll be fine. Yeah. So anyway,

960
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 1: another mystery solved. I I really do buy. I think

961
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:45,399
Speaker 1: the idea that this wasn't actually just a serial killer,

962
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 1: but was really just mob warfare, and that a lot

963
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:51,239
Speaker 1: of these people were involved. It is it is convenient

964
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 1: because a lot of them were a talent a native Italians.

965
00:52:56,320 --> 00:53:00,080
Speaker 1: This is one of those if not necessarily involved in

966
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:03,759
Speaker 1: this is an attack because you didn't pay your protection

967
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 1: money kind of situation which is to have been practiced. Yeah,

968
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 1: I mean I would explain why they lived right then.

969
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 1: It was really punishment, not like actual attack on their lives.

970
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 1: You know, if they were all shopkeepers that lived in

971
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:19,840
Speaker 1: their shops, it could be that they were like supposed

972
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 1: to be smuggling something or supposed to be a front,

973
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:27,879
Speaker 1: or you know, just simply that not paying their dues.

974
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 1: I mean, there's definitely a lot of good kinds of

975
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:33,840
Speaker 1: mobs thing. Yeah, it could have been that kind of thing.

976
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:36,359
Speaker 1: It could have been warfare. Somebody was trying to say

977
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:38,279
Speaker 1: that rival gang is moving in and he's trying to

978
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 1: take over, you know, so he starts killing soldiers and

979
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 1: stuff like that. Or you didn't you didn't take my

980
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:46,239
Speaker 1: offer to be brought in, and I'm gonna I'm gonna

981
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:48,719
Speaker 1: attack you and kill you. So the next I go

982
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 1: to I say, hey, so that that other shopkeeper he

983
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:55,600
Speaker 1: didn't take my offer, and you saw what happened to him.

984
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 1: And then on top of that, I still do believe

985
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:01,319
Speaker 1: that probably a few of the as are as you say, piggybacking,

986
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:06,880
Speaker 1: you know, just opportunism to ideat time to sell that score. Yeah, okay,

987
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 1: so another mystery solved. You know what, more than like ever,

988
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 1: I've kind of actually, you know, what I gotta say

989
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 1: is that from everything that we read online and anybody

990
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:21,880
Speaker 1: who has ever done any investigation in this, Joe has

991
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 1: actually brought up some cellular points that people don't always

992
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 1: bring up. So I think that we've actually at least

993
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:31,239
Speaker 1: not shed some light where maybe it's not been done

994
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 1: where most people focus on the letter and everything's up.

995
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:38,520
Speaker 1: The letter was cool, but I'm not even sure that

996
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:40,880
Speaker 1: we did awesome was written by that We did fantastic.

997
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 1: We totally solved it, now, we did. We did obviously,

998
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 1: So you probably wanted to know folks are good listeners.

999
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 1: You probably want to know where to send the money.

1000
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:54,800
Speaker 1: Well yeah, no, actually, uh, you probably want to know

1001
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:56,719
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1003
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1037
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1044
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1046
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1047
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Speaker 1: And I wanted to say, I think you touched on

1048
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 1: this a little bit, Joe, as we this week alone,

1049
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:19,440
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Speaker 1: Nicole and Nicole says, Hi, guys and girly. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: recently discovered your podcast while searching for ones about carnex

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Speaker 1: stones and have had a healthy addiction ever since. Healthy

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Speaker 1: is a bad choice of work. It's the best kind

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Speaker 1: of ads is a healthier addiction, that's say smack. Can

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Speaker 1: we go ahead? All right? Thank you? You guys do

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Speaker 1: your homework often intelligently, feasible theories, and infuse it with

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Speaker 1: a lot of humor. Today alone, I've busted out laughing

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Speaker 1: twice while catching up some of your older episodes. I

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Speaker 1: commute about seventy miles to work, and yeah, it's a

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Speaker 1: huge commute. I wind about my commute. I commute about

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Speaker 1: seventy miles to work, and listening to you guys really

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Speaker 1: helps me past the time. I also implicitly surprised to

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Speaker 1: know that you're from Portland, Oregon, which is obviously where

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Speaker 1: we are, as I was born and raised in the

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Speaker 1: Limb Valley, which prebody who doesn't know the Portland area

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Speaker 1: where in Oregon, which Portland is at the north tip

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Speaker 1: in the will Lambtte Valley is south of US, so

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Speaker 1: Eugene or Eugene or Salem, Mish is a big city

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Speaker 1: for those Simpsons fans Springfield. They finally even by the way,

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Speaker 1: they finally revealed that s indeed Springfield, Oregon is setting.

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Speaker 1: Of course it is because Mac grantings from Portland. It

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Speaker 1: doesn't matter, and they were quite about that for years. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but you know. Nicole then goes on to suggest a

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Speaker 1: story first look into, which called freaking hilarious. And I

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Speaker 1: have an idea on how to work that in somewhere

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Speaker 1: the one as always not going to reveal that to anybody,

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Speaker 1: including you two. You so but no, thank you Nicole

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Speaker 1: for the email. And uh, that is a terrible commute,

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Speaker 1: and I'm happy that we're at least making it a

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Speaker 1: little more better better for you. And I hope you

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Speaker 1: find either a job that's closer to home or a

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Speaker 1: home that's closer to job. Go world, I don't. I

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Speaker 1: hope she can stop listening to us. Yeah that's a

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Speaker 1: good point. Oh no, please stay at that job, Nicole,

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Speaker 1: I love it. Don't ever leave better exactly better? Kay,

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Speaker 1: Thanks very much for the email, Nicole, and uh for

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Speaker 1: thinking sideways. I would like to say goodbye goodnight, everybody, goodnight,

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Speaker 1: and want to say goodbye. I don't mean forever. I

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Speaker 1: just mean for this week.