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Speaker 1: It's a tough sports, not for everybody.

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Speaker 2: You gotta be a little sick to love this game,

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Speaker 2: and we've got some stickos.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we are standing tall on

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Speaker 3: our Brian Thomas Junior Draft evaluation from a couple of

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Speaker 3: years ago.

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Speaker 1: I'm Greg Rosenthal. I'm in my garage.

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Speaker 3: I'm talking to Ali Connelly, who does great work every

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Speaker 3: week on our show and also for his own Read

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Speaker 3: Optional podcast where he's already broken down the receivers. That's

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Speaker 3: what we're talking about on this show. And you spent

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Speaker 3: twelve hours talking just receivers, Alli, do you think we

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Speaker 3: can do it in less time today?

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Speaker 2: I think we can do it. That was light compared

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Speaker 2: to linebacker group, the safety group, but this is an

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Speaker 2: incredibly fun receiver a draft. You can just keep digging

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Speaker 2: and digging and digging, and John and I did, and

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Speaker 3: And I've held off listening because I wanted to kind

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Speaker 3: of hear things fresh and just throw things off of you.

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Speaker 3: But I am, now that I've gotten through the receivers,

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Speaker 3: really looking forward to hearing what you say on your

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Speaker 3: show at more depth than we'll do in today's show.

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Speaker 3: But why I thought, especially receivers made sense for their

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Speaker 3: own show. We could do different skill positions. Those are

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Speaker 3: always going to be fun, but they're the class that

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Speaker 3: kind of deserves all the time. This year, it's just

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Speaker 3: not that deep of a running back, tight end or

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Speaker 3: you appeel beneath the layers of this class, as you

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Speaker 3: keep going, there's just good player after good player, and

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Speaker 3: I feel like there's not as much of a difference.

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Speaker 1: And maybe I'm crazy.

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Speaker 3: We can start here between like some of the first

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Speaker 3: round talents and some of the third round talents as

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Speaker 3: I personally would want, because it's like I feel like

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Speaker 3: it's just you pick the flavor that you like, and

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Speaker 3: you could almost make an argument for a lot.

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Speaker 1: Of these guys.

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Speaker 2: No, I agree with you. I think in my top tier,

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Speaker 2: which in this class is the traditional third tier, so

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Speaker 2: that quality start to book it. I have seven guys

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Speaker 2: top three or four names that have become the consensus,

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Speaker 2: it really is a pick your flavor between guys who

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Speaker 2: and they could be whatever you want them to be.

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Speaker 2: And yet the depth just keeps going beyond that. So

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Speaker 2: you get this little cluster of guys who could be

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Speaker 2: into them, guys who could just plug and play and

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Speaker 2: start on a Sunday next season. And then as you

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Speaker 2: keep going and keep going, even down into the seventies

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Speaker 2: and eighties of this draft order, there are viable slot

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Speaker 3: And I'm really looking forward to that. I'm curious what

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Speaker 3: those that tier comprises, like what seven players they are.

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Speaker 3: But I'm actually gonna start at number two. First, I'm

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Speaker 3: gonna ask, like, do you have Cardinal Tait as your

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Speaker 3: put them in tiers and whatnot. I do want to

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Speaker 3: kind of just a very basic superlative, which is complete

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Speaker 1: My wide receiver too is.

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Speaker 2: Mckaye Lemon.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, Now convince me why MacKaye Levin mckaye Lemon

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really close.

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Speaker 2: I think after Connelt and even he I think is

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Speaker 2: as often as it should do. He's playing some of

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Speaker 2: the best dbs in the country, the guys who will

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Speaker 2: and he's just frying guys all over the place. Sure area, speed,

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Speaker 2: want to see. I think he can do. And I

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Speaker 2: just think he fits more of the modern brand of

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Speaker 1: Too, right, and that all makes sense.

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Speaker 3: And I struggled with like him and Jordan Tyson, who

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Speaker 3: I saw about Lemon? Who can do it all? Like

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Speaker 3: Like that really stands out that he is tough to

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Speaker 3: And maybe it's just because you know, you bring the

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Speaker 3: make me feel a little more. But it sounds like

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Speaker 3: he makes you feel plenty.

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Speaker 2: He does make me feel plenty. I think the balance

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Speaker 2: is important for one, and then two, it's a position

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Speaker 2: to stop start speed. That is just the name of

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Speaker 2: the game of the position. It's change of direction, it's deceleration,

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Speaker 2: the d crosses, a lot of the deep in breakers,

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Speaker 2: more of the DJ Moore style Ben Johnson football. I

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Speaker 2: think he's really comfortable in that vein too, And I

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Speaker 2: don't think you can underestimate the toughness the kind of

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Speaker 2: linebacker mentality brings the position in an era where you

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Speaker 2: to be willing to dig out linebackers and safeties at

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Speaker 1: So there's some like Pooka comparisons you feel in that

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Speaker 2: I like that, Yeah, that sounds so bad.

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Speaker 3: I like when you and Jeremiah are on the same page.

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Speaker 3: And in general, mackay. Lemon has lightly settled into like

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Speaker 3: much of a consensus. But initially DJ had him first,

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Speaker 3: even ahead of Carneltay. He ended up backing him off,

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Speaker 3: but he has him in his top ten overall players.

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Speaker 2: I think I understand that because with Tait you have

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Speaker 2: more of the just the true boundary traditional receiver. Could

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Speaker 2: he carry the heavy workload kind of outside the formation

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Speaker 2: where usually the superstar alpha dogs play. I think with Lemon,

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Speaker 2: to me, it's is he going to fall into a

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Speaker 2: Khalil Shakir bucket where it's a lot of manufactured production,

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Speaker 2: you kind of force feeding the touches, which was a

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Speaker 2: Lad mcconni stat style where it's a smaller type body

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Speaker 2: move around the formation. You can desive a big chunk

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Speaker 3: It's funny that Khalil Sekre is now turning into one

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Speaker 3: I've seen like seven different players in this draft get

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Speaker 3: because his instincts are ultimately what makes him so special

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Speaker 3: and that's the hardest thing to evaluate going from one level,

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Speaker 3: this class, mackay Lemon would be a great choice. I

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Speaker 3: wanted to start at two partly because you know, I'm

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Speaker 3: not ready to drop, Like, I don't know, I still

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Speaker 3: want to watch a little more, you know, I I

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Speaker 3: feel like you could always watch more, but you really

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Speaker 3: get rewarded going through you know, the All twenty two

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Speaker 3: I think ultimately where I settled on as my second

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Speaker 3: that's one where it really rewards you to watch him

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Speaker 3: not getting targeted because he's just always open. He's so

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Speaker 3: freaking open, and the burst is just crazy. His ability

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Speaker 3: he's had a lot of drops, but he's the guy

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Speaker 3: where I see it and I think, just okay, that's special.

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Speaker 3: I feel like that's going to translate, and it's in

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Speaker 3: a very different way than I mentioned at the top

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Speaker 3: of the show. I thought Brian Thomas Junior just moves different.

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Speaker 3: And George Pickens, for instance, I had as my wide

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Speaker 3: receiver to in that class because I just thought he

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Speaker 3: moves different, and Conceptcion is a much much smaller player

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Speaker 3: and a different type of player.

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Speaker 1: And you can be wrong here, but I'm though scout.

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Speaker 3: I don't have the time also to go through seven

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Speaker 3: eight git, but I can see that Casey Conceptsion moves different,

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Speaker 3: and I do think that will translate, and I do

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Speaker 3: think he'll get drafted a little higher, maybe than he's

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Speaker 3: getting projected out there as sort of a borderline first

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Speaker 2: Oh, he's definitely gonna I think twenty three around there

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Speaker 2: is the complete flow, and I would not watch sound

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Speaker 2: if he go significantly higher. I think as teams put

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Speaker 3: That's the tape that really put it over. So that

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Speaker 2: And then he's flying compared to everyone else. And you

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Speaker 2: That's the best dB room in the country, the most

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's extremely sudden, And I was trying to think

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Speaker 2: It's a Flowers usage because he hasn't faced a ton

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Speaker 2: I think that's a legitimate concern. But with Jay Flowers

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would rather bad the separation than the drops alone.

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Speaker 3: So you have him first, you have these seven guys

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: of artificially pushes the grade up to put him as

439
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Speaker 2: the top guy in the class. You look at from

440
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Speaker 2: the release package you mentioned the body control, he catches

441
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Speaker 2: absolutely everything. I do think there's way more Yack potential

442
00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:26,359
Speaker 2: in there. Not a huge part of the game at

443
00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:29,119
Speaker 2: Ohio State, and he's not the most explosive athlete with

444
00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:31,359
Speaker 2: the ball in his hands, but he's really quick transitioning

445
00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:33,480
Speaker 2: from catch to rum. I think he's tough. I think

446
00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:35,360
Speaker 2: he can do more in that element of the game

447
00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:37,439
Speaker 2: if it's designed and it's these kind of crosses and

448
00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:39,840
Speaker 2: drags and you get him a free runway out there,

449
00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:42,920
Speaker 2: and then he's just the best blocking receiver in the

450
00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:45,119
Speaker 2: class too. And the way the game is played at

451
00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:46,960
Speaker 2: the moment, I think it's really important to have guys

452
00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:49,520
Speaker 2: who can play tight and congested to the formation. They

453
00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:51,720
Speaker 2: will leave him one on one against an end, asking

454
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Speaker 2: to kick the end out and hold the point until

455
00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:55,479
Speaker 2: the back is through. He will do that no problem.

456
00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:57,040
Speaker 2: He will go and dig out linebackers, he will go

457
00:19:57,080 --> 00:19:59,080
Speaker 2: and dig out safeties. Just with the way the game

458
00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:02,560
Speaker 2: is played. And if you're looking full that ideal number two,

459
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Speaker 2: I think that's why he fits. And he's kind of

460
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Speaker 2: like the best possible number two you could add into

461
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Speaker 2: a team and has some elements of being I think

462
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Speaker 2: a three level threat. I think the double moose stuff,

463
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Speaker 2: the smoothness, how he sets guys up down the field.

464
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Speaker 2: I think he can create big separation down the field

465
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Speaker 2: and then cook in the middle of the field.

466
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I wrote that down a few times, just how

467
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Speaker 3: fluid he is to change directions and in control. And

468
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Speaker 3: his contested catch numbers are a joke, so it like

469
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Speaker 3: they're it's tough to just bet on contested catch is

470
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Speaker 3: your main thing, but if that's part of an overall

471
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Speaker 3: package that you're a very complete player and you're good

472
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Speaker 3: at that, he reminded me a little. And it's absolutely

473
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Speaker 3: uniform and number. Scouting and thinking about this draft and

474
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Speaker 3: I was like, well, maybe he could land with another

475
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Speaker 3: Ohio state number, seventeen, Terry McLaurin.

476
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Speaker 1: I don't know if they're really similar players.

477
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Speaker 3: But they're just both like smart, complete football players, and

478
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Speaker 3: that would be a that would be a fun cambo

479
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Speaker 3: if Washington wanted to go there.

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Speaker 2: I think his skill set, to me, is a little

481
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Speaker 2: Romeo Dobbs like, and I think it just depends on

482
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Speaker 2: how you value that. It's not his fault that he's

483
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Speaker 2: in this draft class where he becomes kind of the

484
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Speaker 2: number one guy by consensus. If Romo Dobbs in the

485
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Speaker 2: draft today, knowing his skills, would he be the number

486
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Speaker 2: one guy. I think that's how you have to kind

487
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Speaker 2: of view him. And the position is so important. He's

488
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Speaker 2: gonna go Hi. He's going to go in the top ten.

489
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Speaker 2: But if he was in a class with you know,

490
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Speaker 2: true elite athletes, would he be the number one guy?

491
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Speaker 2: Probably not. Would you want as the commanders or whoever?

492
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Speaker 2: Would you want to have Romo Dobbs and your team?

493
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Speaker 2: He just got paid a bucket of money to go

494
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Speaker 2: and be a valuable piece for a good offense.

495
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Speaker 3: You are more than Romeo Dobbs, I think from Carnel Tait.

496
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Speaker 3: If you're taking him that high.

497
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Speaker 2: No, and I would expect that from him. I think

498
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Speaker 2: he's more talented than Romeo Dobbs. But that's the kind

499
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Speaker 2: of general overall skill set where it's not this a

500
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Speaker 2: plus trait coming out of your ears. It's more about

501
00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:55,520
Speaker 2: the intelligence. It's more about the subtlety. It's about understanding

502
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Speaker 2: how to attack Dbs and create some late separation in

503
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Speaker 2: the row.

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Speaker 3: Do you have any concern about him versus press and

505
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Speaker 3: any concern that just the numbers were quiet the last

506
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Speaker 3: you know, suddenly the Ohio State team, which it's hard

507
00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:10,679
Speaker 3: to believe, you know, didn't win the title. They just

508
00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:13,280
Speaker 3: lose too straight at the end, and he was relatively quiet,

509
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Speaker 3: wasn't targeted.

510
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Speaker 1: A ton in those games.

511
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Speaker 3: So I don't know if anything stood out to you

512
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Speaker 3: in those two final tapes.

513
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Speaker 2: Take the press thing I think is a problem. He's

514
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Speaker 2: fortunate the league is seventy eighty percent zone coverage, so

515
00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:26,000
Speaker 2: there's not a whole bunch of third field life type

516
00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:30,080
Speaker 2: situations in pressman coverage. That's that's why he's not in

517
00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:33,080
Speaker 2: that kind of elite impact starter tier Brackett is that

518
00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:35,200
Speaker 2: he doesn't just destroy people off the snap. I think

519
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,640
Speaker 2: he can get swallowed up. He wants to play kind

520
00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:39,719
Speaker 2: of shrink the frame and one swipe and that's kind

521
00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:41,239
Speaker 2: of all that's in the bag. And so I think

522
00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:44,080
Speaker 2: he's gotta find more release patterns with the feet and

523
00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:46,520
Speaker 2: with the hands to clean a lot of that stuff up.

524
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Speaker 2: What I do love, though, is he takes that stuff

525
00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:51,960
Speaker 2: really personally, and so when someone just like kind of

526
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:53,840
Speaker 2: mothballs him. You see this in the Penn State game.

527
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Speaker 2: He will just get got and get put to the

528
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Speaker 2: floor in press coverage. When he's then given a chance

529
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Speaker 2: to go and give some back. In the blocking game,

530
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,240
Speaker 2: he kills people he wants to get after it. He

531
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Speaker 2: takes it really personally, and I think in the modern

532
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:07,120
Speaker 2: league where it's a lot of condensed sets and you're

533
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Speaker 2: not seeing an awful lot of Hey, everyone's split outside

534
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:11,840
Speaker 2: the numbers. It's press coverage all the time. I think

535
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Speaker 2: you can live with five or six SOSO reps against

536
00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:16,439
Speaker 2: press coverage while the play design is doing a lot

537
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Speaker 2: of the heavy lifting. If he can just feast against zone.

538
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Speaker 3: It also can't hurt that we heard Jackson Smith and

539
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:26,399
Speaker 3: Jigba was a relatively low ceiling prospect. When I go

540
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,080
Speaker 3: back and look and that even Abuca last year, that

541
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Speaker 3: was like the idea was like, well, yeah, he's gonna

542
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Speaker 3: be consistent, he's gonna be great, but he's not like

543
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Speaker 3: a real you know, in early last season, all he

544
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Speaker 3: was was hitting big plays and looking like a big playmaker.

545
00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:42,919
Speaker 3: So Carnal Tay, I don't want to focus on the

546
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Speaker 3: negatives just because he's wide receiver one.

547
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Speaker 1: He is our wide receiver one.

548
00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:49,639
Speaker 3: Look, we hit three players in like twenty five minutes,

549
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,160
Speaker 3: so that's a much faster pace than your twelve hour show.

550
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Speaker 3: Let's take a break and we'll come back on the

551
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Speaker 3: other side. Keep breaking down these receivers back on NFL Daily,

552
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Speaker 3: where we're timing up this show with Matt Harmon, Big

553
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Speaker 3: fan of over at Yahoo and perception, perception, and I

554
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Speaker 3: noticed that he was a big conceptci O and fan

555
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Speaker 3: the other you know. Yesterday too, I was like, I

556
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Speaker 3: wish we had already taped the show. I was already

557
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Speaker 3: on this corner. But I think it's going to be

558
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Speaker 3: a popular corner.

559
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Speaker 1: Unfortunately for me. Who wants to just have a special take.

560
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Speaker 3: Let's talk about the hardest evaluation and this. I'll let

561
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Speaker 3: you go first on this one. Just who is the

562
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,440
Speaker 3: player significant player that you maybe just struggled with. Doesn't

563
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:39,439
Speaker 3: mean it's like negative or positive, but you just you

564
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Speaker 3: think it was the hardest one to kind of come

565
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Speaker 3: to a final decision on.

566
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Speaker 2: Yeah, even booking, even setting it to one player is difficult.

567
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Speaker 2: I think I have Chris Bresil, Chris Bell, and Zachariah

568
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 2: Briant just got into three finalists.

569
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Speaker 1: That's good. We can talk about them all here. It

570
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Speaker 1: doesn't matter. Let's do it. Let's go why Why Why Brazil?

571
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 3: To start out, who is a long striding receiver from Tennessee.

572
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:10,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he plays in the goofy Tennessee offense, which

573
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 2: already makes things really difficult where it's these really detached

574
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,440
Speaker 2: receiver sets where he's playing on the sideline. There's about

575
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,720
Speaker 2: three routes in the route pree. They run these sleeper

576
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:21,680
Speaker 2: routes for half the game where you just don't run

577
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,199
Speaker 2: a route by design, so that you can sleep on

578
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 2: your side of the field, can serve some energy, and

579
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 2: then you can run really fast down the field the

580
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,639
Speaker 2: next snap going at tempo. So that makes it pretty

581
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 2: difficult to begin with. And then just his effort ebbs

582
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 2: and flows during the game anyway, and if you dig

583
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,159
Speaker 2: through even more of the detail of it, he's tipping

584
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 2: plays constantly, so he's either sleeping or not playing with

585
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 2: urgency or based on what he's doing with his gloves,

586
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 2: based on what he's doing with his stance. He lets

587
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 2: you know if it's run passing, whether he's getting the

588
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:51,880
Speaker 2: ball or not. So that is already difficult to throw

589
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:55,200
Speaker 2: into the evaluation. Then it's just jaw dropping stuff from there.

590
00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:59,919
Speaker 2: The movie skills are absolutely out of control. It is size, speed, fluidity,

591
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,439
Speaker 2: short area twitch. He is not, to me, just a

592
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:04,879
Speaker 2: straight line burner in the style they've sent to the

593
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 2: league recently, right, whether it's Jalen Hyatt, Dante Thornton, on

594
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,480
Speaker 2: and on the go, Cedric Tillman. I think he's got

595
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,119
Speaker 2: more nuanced to his game. I think he's a bit

596
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:14,920
Speaker 2: more subtle than the guys they've said in recent years.

597
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 2: So it makes it very tricky to fall in love

598
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 2: with a guy again because of just the pure movement

599
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 2: skills are different to pretty much anyone in the class

600
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Speaker 2: at the size he's playing at when you have to

601
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Speaker 2: factor in all the elements of the offense, then just

602
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:28,680
Speaker 2: how engaged he is in the game as well.

603
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Speaker 3: Yeah, he is six five, two hundred pounds and he

604
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Speaker 3: ran a sub four four forty I believe.

605
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Speaker 1: Like a four to three five or something like that.

606
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Speaker 3: The long speed's crazy, a two lane guy who actually

607
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,919
Speaker 3: put up some pretty good numbers with Michael Pratt. I

608
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,199
Speaker 3: went back and looked at some of that tape too,

609
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 3: because they they didn't use him as the same way

610
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Speaker 3: that Tennessee did. So, uh, he gets caught, you know

611
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,240
Speaker 3: when you watch him like sometimes and again there's not

612
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,160
Speaker 3: a ton of press covers, but it was almost fun

613
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Speaker 3: sometimes like he literally got stuck. It look it looked

614
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 3: like it was velcrow and just the play is over,

615
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,199
Speaker 3: and that's a concern. But if you just flipped on

616
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:08,680
Speaker 3: the Georgia game and we saw one of the long

617
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,400
Speaker 3: touchdowns there, and there are a handful of long touchdowns

618
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,399
Speaker 3: from this last season where to use your words is

619
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,399
Speaker 3: just a joke. Like you would have thought, oh, this

620
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:21,159
Speaker 3: guy's a top twelve pick. He is just making corner

621
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Speaker 3: like cornerbacks are bouncing off of him as he like

622
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 3: scores and dances seventy yards down the field.

623
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Speaker 1: And it was like, Okay, well that looks like an

624
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Speaker 1: NFL player. That looks pretty good.

625
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:31,920
Speaker 2: It looks pretty I mean, val Davis was alive, he'd

626
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 2: be the first pick in the draft. That's the kind

627
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:35,679
Speaker 2: of like athlete that we're talking about here. And he

628
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,440
Speaker 2: is the full gas off the ball. Well, I think

629
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Speaker 2: he's got compared to some of the other long, striding,

630
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Speaker 2: explosive guys down the field, is he can really sink

631
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Speaker 2: and get out the break. When it is a comeback,

632
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 2: a curl or return to the quarterback type situation, he

633
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,160
Speaker 2: can really sink and get out of there. Now, he's

634
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 2: not shown an awful lot of that just because of

635
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,880
Speaker 2: the route packages they ask him to play in. There's

636
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,159
Speaker 2: barely anything playing to the middle of the field. Sometimes

637
00:27:58,200 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 2: when it is the middlefield, he asks out the play.

638
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 2: He doesn't want to stick his nose in there. There's

639
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 2: not much in the blocking game. There's willingness, there's some tenacity,

640
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 2: the technique is pretty dire, and it's just not a

641
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 2: key part of their offense. They just ask him to

642
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 2: take plays off. So it's difficult to see how that

643
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 2: just fits day one into an NFL system. But the

644
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 2: talent and just the germal athleticism is undeniable.

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Speaker 1: I'm checking as you're talking. I believe he was the

646
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Speaker 1: guy that Chris Simms.

647
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Speaker 3: No, he didn't put him first, but he did put

648
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Speaker 3: him third overall, so it's fair. I mean, look, he

649
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Speaker 3: if it's a if it's a choose your flavor type

650
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 3: of draft, someone's flavor is gonna be Brazil, who on

651
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 3: the consensus board is fifty. But if you told me

652
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 3: like he ends up going thirty one or something like it,

653
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Speaker 3: that wouldn't be surprising at all.

654
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 2: No, I mean, you can't teach the height and speed,

655
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 2: and he is the ultimate gas off the ball guy

656
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 2: in an actual sizable package rather than just being one

657
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 2: of the pocket rocket guys.

658
00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 3: So you said, Zacharya Branch is in your look this

659
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 3: group of hardest evaluations, which is which is interesting spent

660
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 3: time at UC and then he was at Georgia last year.

661
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 3: I find that interesting that you find him hard to

662
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 3: value because he's certainly a type, but like what about

663
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 3: him gives you trouble?

664
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 2: So for the audience, he's the five eight one seventy

665
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 2: seven seventy eight something like that pounds. I think he's

666
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 2: built like a running back. He's got this kind of

667
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 2: short guy, he's completely stacked. He looks more like a

668
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 2: back eye field than a receiver. And just the way

669
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 2: he was used both the USC, where it's pure gadget

670
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 2: than at Georgia, where all they're trying to do is

671
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 2: create pump return right, pump return left. It's just pure screen,

672
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 2: screen screen, the odd crossing route. Not being able to

673
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 2: see him run a more diverse tree, I think just

674
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 2: makes it difficult to try and figure out where he

675
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 2: is in the NFL. Is he does Nicole Hartman, Jimmy Horn,

676
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 2: Trayvon Austin. Is there any more to the game than

677
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 2: just can he be more? In the one Dale Robinson

678
00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 2: bucket where he has real serious speed off the and

679
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 2: you can be a vertical threat from the slow and

680
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 2: that is a valuable commodity to have if you can

681
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 2: get out on the field, or is he just a

682
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 2: package player you're got to take in the second round

683
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 2: and in three years you're going to look up and say,

684
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 2: we should have just took a less exciting, less explosive player,

685
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 2: and i'd had a professional in the offense.

686
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 3: Snuck into Daniel Jeremiah's top fifty. He's a little lower

687
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 3: than that on the consensus board. Look, he's exciting. Steve

688
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 3: Smith had him as the number five receiver. I started

689
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 3: to look around the day of the r taping at

690
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 3: other evaluations which I felt like I was done with

691
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 3: these guys, because I mean, he has track speed and

692
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 3: the way he runs it is interesting, you say, like

693
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 3: as a running back, Like I know he's small and

694
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 3: he's not running over guys, but just his footwork is violent,

695
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 3: Like has change of direction is violent. He is someone

696
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 3: you could I mean, I guess he's much more athletic

697
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 3: than a Khalioshak here, but like he in a perfect world,

698
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 3: could he could do that. You can find a couple

699
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 3: of little slot fades on the tape, but I guess right,

700
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 3: it's not a ton of them.

701
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 1: It's not like a ton of volume.

702
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 2: It's not a ton of volume, and I do. I

703
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 2: think sometimes when we get into draft season you get

704
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 2: the really electric guys. You do get caught up in

705
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 2: the design touch world, and it's a really small part

706
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 2: of an NFL actual offensive game plan where you're just

707
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 2: washing out reps, washing out reps, and once you start

708
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 2: sending in the design package guy, the defensive coorit has

709
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 2: eyes as well, They have all hurts as well. They

710
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 2: know he's coming in. They can prepare for what they

711
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 2: believe the package is going to be. Everyone's on hire alert.

712
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 2: So I think he has to have a real vertical

713
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 2: presence to his game as well. He's got to be

714
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 2: able to blow the top off a defense or at

715
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 2: least rip the coverage apart into deep shells to create

716
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 2: big void of space underneath for everyone else to go cook.

717
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 2: And because he just wasn't used in that role at

718
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 2: either spot, it's hard to get a real feel for

719
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 2: what is necessary that in that.

720
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he had five I was adjusted him

721
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 3: last I remember. I think he had five like downfield

722
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 3: throws that he caught, Like I guess it doesn't sound

723
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 3: like a lot like twenty plus, but there was a

724
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 3: little bit of that. Ye, definitely some juice like if

725
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 3: it's a player like this who's fitting into it like

726
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 3: a very specific bucket, and you're comparing him to Wandale,

727
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 3: which which is an interesting one. It's like, man, he

728
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 3: better have that juice, he better have that extra stuff

729
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 3: that is a difference making quality. And I do think

730
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 3: he has that. So I think he's going to be

731
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 3: a fun player to watch. And then your your third

732
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 3: player in your hardest evaluation was.

733
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 2: Chris Bell out of Louisville.

734
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 3: Yes, I don't know if it's that hard, just give

735
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 3: me some Chris Bell. I mean, that's an NFL player.

736
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 3: It might not work at all, but that's a player

737
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 3: I can imagine on an NFL field.

738
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 1: I mean he is big, strong and fast.

739
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 3: He's coming off of torn acl which is part of

740
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,479
Speaker 3: the hardest evaluation I would imagine. But what is it

741
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 3: more about, like the way that he plays that that

742
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 3: you find tough, because man, he is intriguing.

743
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 2: Oh he's incredible. The upside is completely through the roof

744
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 2: of the upside is aj Brown, a Bully Bowl receiver

745
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 2: who was incredibly explosive after the catch, an explosive of

746
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 2: like the second and third step kind of Mianda's into

747
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 2: routes sometimes doesn't seem to be that interested completely hate

748
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 2: his own quote the back. I get it. I understand

749
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 2: what Chris Bell is thinking. But snap by snap, he

750
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 2: is losing his mind. Waitady, how do you know that

751
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 2: he hates his because he's leaping up and down in

752
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 2: the middle of plays that the ball was not thrown

753
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 2: in his direction. You see that normally every couple of plays,

754
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 2: kind of premium look maybe two three times over the

755
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 2: course of a season with receiver, the heads will go

756
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 2: to the sky, the heads will drop. He is leaping

757
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 2: up and down in the end mid route, frustrated that

758
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 2: the ball didn't arrive.

759
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 3: Then well, I happen to watch Branch right after Chris Bell,

760
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 3: and they had that frustration with their quarterback in common

761
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 3: because Miller Moss was the USC quarterback. It is very

762
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 3: confusing watching college tape now when you're not like that

763
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 3: big of a fan like me, and I'm like, oh wait,

764
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 3: that's the same guy who was kind of ruining the

765
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 3: zach Rya Branch tape a second ago is now starting

766
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 3: to ruin the Chris Bell tape. But yeah, the Louisville

767
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 3: prospect and he got the ACL injury right towards the

768
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 3: end of the regular college season, got surgery early December.

769
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 1: It's in.

770
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 3: It's you know, an ACL and there just aren't many

771
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 3: guys built like him that can catch the ball in stride.

772
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 1: There was a couple of the.

773
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:19,280
Speaker 3: Slants that he caught and went now and that's where

774
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 3: you think a J.

775
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 1: Brown or DK Metcalf for something.

776
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 3: You're just like, holy cow, if he had not torn

777
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,839
Speaker 3: the ACL, like, where where is he in this mix?

778
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 3: Because I just feel like the NFL would fall in

779
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 3: love with him.

780
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's multi do with a consistency. If you just

781
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 2: put in the Miami game, and I said, I think

782
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 2: that that's the best most athletic kind of pro development,

783
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 2: so to watch it and say what look like on Sunday.

784
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 2: So I think you've got to watch these guys against Miami.

785
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:44,239
Speaker 2: He put the team on the back of that game.

786
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 2: He was fully engaged for a full game. And you

787
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,399
Speaker 2: mentioned some of the bursts with the ball in his hands.

788
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 2: I mean he rips through two linebackers come to crush him,

789
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 2: rips through both of them. The safeties have no shot.

790
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 2: He's completely gone doing that that size, with the bully

791
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 2: ball physique, with the power that he has. It's just

792
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 2: not normal. I mean, so if he was, if he

793
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 2: was fully healthy, I do think over the course of

794
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 2: the draft processes he tested, he would have been right

795
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 2: up there. I do think there's an element of he's

796
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 2: the I can fix him boyfriend that there's an awful lot.

797
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 2: He's so ill disciplined. He's got so many penalties season

798
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 2: after season, every game, every drive, every of the play.

799
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 2: It's just a different prospect from snap to snap. Both

800
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 2: the effort, the technique, no route ever looks the same.

801
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 2: So the talent is just so off the table good

802
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 2: it's unbelievable. But the consistency and trying to understand how

803
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 2: engages he was was that the situation. Why did Louisville

804
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 2: have this unbelievable AJ Brown DK metcalf type athlete and

805
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 2: they never thought to design their offense around him. Jeff

806
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 2: Brum is an unbelievable football coach. He never thought that

807
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 2: I'm going to game plan around having this really special athlete.

808
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:56,319
Speaker 2: Would's going to have him on drags and sits and

809
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:58,399
Speaker 2: just kind of have him returned to the quarterback as

810
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 2: a big bodied, kind of power will forward type lay.

811
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 3: Well, that's why you have scouts to go figure that out.

812
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:07,319
Speaker 3: That's why we have analysts like Ali to help me out,

813
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 3: because I'm I'm grading the flashes here.

814
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 1: I would be the ones falling in love.

815
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 3: Because you know, there are a lot of back shoulder

816
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 3: catches like he he doesn't look like he has I

817
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 3: would say, good hands. It's a plot like he he

818
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 3: looks like a football player. And then and the yeah,

819
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 3: you think about it, cheap brown and thinky Metcalf. That's

820
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 3: it's a silly thing to compare. They didn't really plan

821
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 3: their offense around them in college either. I don't know

822
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 3: what was happening back back then. How did those guys

823
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 3: go so late? By the way, Ali, what was up

824
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 3: with that?

825
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 2: If you remember DK, people thought you couldn't turn. You

826
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 2: have no flexibility?

827
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 1: I mean there, yeah, I mean he's not the complete

828
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 1: player at the NFL level. I love that, all right.

829
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 3: My hardest evaluation, and you can take me off of it,

830
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 3: is Jordan Tyson. I did want a little more out

831
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 3: of uh, the prospect who you know is expected to

832
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 3: go pretty early Arizona State. His quarterback, I think complicated

833
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 3: his evaluation a little bit. Certainly in his last season,

834
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 3: I was getting frustrated, you know, in the backups in

835
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:13,280
Speaker 3: and he's on the consensus board at number fourteen. Daniel

836
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 3: Jeremiah I believe has him in his top what fifteen?

837
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 3: Where did you have him kind of in your pecking

838
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 3: order with the other receivers.

839
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had him lower than consensus. He's still in

840
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 2: the star to Tiffany, but he's behind CONCEPTSIO and he's

841
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 2: behind Omar Coopy, He's behind makay Lemon.

842
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 3: Okay, well then yeah that makes sense to me. DJ,

843
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 3: by the way, had him seventeenth, which is very strong.

844
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 3: He does have him behind Omar Cooper but solidly in

845
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 3: the mix. I like him, but I just wanted him

846
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 3: to be like a little a little more for the

847
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 3: profile in terms of the athleticism, and like I saw comparison.

848
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 3: This is probably unfair, but it was from Ben Fennel,

849
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 3: who does good, good stuff at NFL Films, and he

850
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 3: was like, he reminds me so much of Tyler Boyd

851
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 3: coming out of college. And I'm like, yeah, I kind.

852
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 1: Of see that.

853
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:12,399
Speaker 3: It's like I want a little more than that from

854
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:15,919
Speaker 3: a high level prospect that has these injury concerns where

855
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 3: the hamstring got him at the end of his last

856
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 3: year in college, he had a complete torn knee ligaments. Earlier,

857
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:24,839
Speaker 3: he broke his collar bone at one point. That does

858
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 3: add up like a little bit more So, what do

859
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 3: you think I'm missing? Because you still have him very

860
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 3: solidly ranked, and he is he is very good, But

861
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:33,879
Speaker 3: I just I felt like I wanted a little more.

862
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 2: I think he's he's really smooth for the size. I

863
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 2: think he tempos the route really well. I think when

864
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 2: he's fully looked in and engaged and he's another guy web,

865
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 2: when he's the primary tall get there is a different

866
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 2: level of urgency than when he's just kind of a

867
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 2: part of the offense, he can really explode out the

868
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 2: break and he can hang in the air like nobody.

869
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 2: I think he's a true acrobat. And they're in the

870
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 2: style that he runs and the way he texts the

871
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:00,359
Speaker 2: ball in the air. They are are kind of just

872
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 2: like flashes, just glimpses of Odell that's truly in there.

873
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 2: That kind of special player exists in Tyson. It's just

874
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 2: to me far too infrequent, which is where I have

875
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 2: a hard time having him as high up the board

876
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 2: as most people do. I think the flashes are really exciting,

877
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 2: but the flashes are offset by me by the durability concerns.

878
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 2: It's not like conceptsion, where he's open time after time

879
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 2: after time, you're just hoping that the ball will find

880
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 2: its weight him. I think he does get lockdown more

881
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 2: often than you would want. I think his technique comes

882
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 2: and goes. I think is he gets disengaged in the

883
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 2: game from drive to drive if things aren't going well,

884
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 2: and then when you stack on top of that. The

885
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 2: concerns about the durability are more the soft tissue stuff

886
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:40,720
Speaker 2: I think you mentioned with the hamstrings than the knee

887
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:43,879
Speaker 2: and the collar bone. I think there's real reasons to

888
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 2: be worried. If you're a GM going to try and

889
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 2: draft him, and you've got to sort through all both

890
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 2: the effort and the injury concerns, I think that'd be

891
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:51,799
Speaker 2: a tough call.

892
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wondered watching some of the tapes that I'm

893
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 3: really glad you pointed that. First of all, his tough

894
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:00,919
Speaker 3: grat like his great catches are in credible. He does

895
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:05,840
Speaker 3: have some really high level, outstanding contested catch grabs and

896
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 3: just acrobatic body all that stuff.

897
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:08,840
Speaker 1: It's awesome.

898
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:12,240
Speaker 3: There were some games You're right where it just didn't

899
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 3: look the same and you're like, is he playing through

900
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 3: an injury?

901
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:15,800
Speaker 1: Was what I thought?

902
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 3: And then there's reporting that he still hasn't worked out.

903
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's public knowledge. He still hasn't been

904
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 3: able to work out from a hamstring injury that was

905
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 3: back at the end of the season and he played

906
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 3: most of this season after that collar bone and the

907
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 3: ACL which was now I think what four years ago

908
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 3: almost three and a half years ago now, and that

909
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 3: it's still preventing him from working out from teams and

910
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 3: that is unfortunate timing, but it's definitely a red flag.

911
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:44,319
Speaker 1: Yeah.

912
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:47,879
Speaker 2: At the like I said, the kullabone one was free

913
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 2: kish the ACL one, well, he recovered from that. We

914
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:52,439
Speaker 2: got to see the athlete and he's like an extraordinarily

915
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 2: athlete when he's fully reved up. The hamstring stuff, I

916
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:58,959
Speaker 2: mean during games that you really do watch, like where

917
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 2: is Jordan tyson o that that's the number? Why is

918
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 2: he not moving at the speed to expect him and

919
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 2: elite prospect? His hamstring goes in game regularly. You can

920
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:07,800
Speaker 2: see him pull it, you can see him tweak it,

921
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:09,359
Speaker 2: and then he comes back into the game. So he's

922
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 2: trying to tough it out, but it will just go on

923
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 2: him on a random go route where they're trying to

924
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 2: clear out the coverage and he really tries to get

925
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 2: after it, it will just go. Then he comes back

926
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 2: into the game and keeps trying. It's really hard to

927
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 2: get a feel of a way he's at healthwise, just

928
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:23,439
Speaker 2: even in the season, let alone where he's at now.

929
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 1: Right.

930
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 3: So that's that's why I think for me it was

931
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 3: I struggled a little bit because I guess if I'm

932
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 3: gonna deal with all that, I just want the great

933
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 3: stuff to pop, to pop next level. And I don't know,

934
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:39,360
Speaker 3: I don't know if he did that for me personally.

935
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 3: All right, let's go to the Let's go to another

936
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 3: evaluation or a superlative here. Let's go to the player

937
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:48,240
Speaker 3: most likely to get his GM fired.

938
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 1: OLLI, it's rough.

939
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 2: Would that not just be Tyson?

940
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 3: I mean it could have been. It could have been

941
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 3: depending on the injury. I don't know, if you have

942
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 3: it to me, this is sort of like a boom

943
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:04,240
Speaker 3: er bust, a boom er bust type of pick.

944
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 2: But I think Tyson is boom and bust, and say

945
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 2: it's not just the injuries. I think his ten best plays.

946
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:11,360
Speaker 2: You just put the compilation together, the ten best plays,

947
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 2: you can squint your eyes hard enough to convince yourself

948
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 2: you're gonna get Odell Beckham Jr. I just think if

949
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 2: you put on the other two hundred and fifty plays,

950
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 2: you start saying, why is this guy so erratic? Why

951
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:23,280
Speaker 2: is he so loosey goosey?

952
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 1: In the routes?

953
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 2: The balance doesn't seem there all the time. It's just

954
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 2: hard to get a sense of him down by down

955
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 2: on who he's going to be as a prospect, but

956
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 2: where he's going to go in the draft is going

957
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 2: to be a valuable enough pick that you will be

958
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 2: in trouble if there's durability questions, and then even when

959
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 2: he's playing, you don't get the cop out of the durability.

960
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:41,479
Speaker 2: If he actually just plays and it was a bad

961
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 2: evil and you don't get the soft tissue injuries and

962
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 2: him being ruled out, that is when I think it

963
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:48,439
Speaker 2: starts to cush your job.

964
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: Why.

965
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 3: That's why, because this class is so deep, it just

966
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 3: wouldn't surprise me. Like if he went where everyone expects it,

967
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:58,359
Speaker 3: you know, thirteen fourteen, whatever it is, or if he's

968
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 3: just falls and ends up being the six to seventh receiver,

969
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:02,359
Speaker 3: and it's at the end of the first round, which

970
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:06,319
Speaker 3: is a totally fine outcome for him. I think if

971
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 3: I had a choice here, and this might be my

972
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 3: own bias, it would probably be Denzel Boston. And maybe

973
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 3: it's because it's a type that I at. You know,

974
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 3: he's a he is a contested catch guy, but maybe

975
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:22,240
Speaker 3: maybe it's unfair to just group him as that guy

976
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 3: like he you know, he hasn't run the forty, his

977
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 3: speed doesn't pot he is not necessarily open, uh that

978
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 3: that much. And I think he was a little sloppy

979
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 3: when I watched sometime. But you know, some also incredible

980
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 3: contested catches. Am I just getting? Am I overcorrecting to

981
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 3: the Nikhil Harry's of draft of Draft Times and thinking

982
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 3: that this guy could be kind of in that mold

983
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 3: where it might not totally work at the next level.

984
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 2: Now I agree with you, and I share the same bias.

985
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 2: That archetype of receiver just isn't for me that the

986
00:43:57,080 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 2: guys who are purely vertical elevation type receivers who are

987
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 2: a contested catch dollings. It just doesn't translate to the league.

988
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 2: We've been through Loquan Treadwell with being through jj O,

989
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 2: Sega Whiteside like this just a long history. Now, if

990
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 2: you can't separate in college, you're not gonna have hope

991
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:13,800
Speaker 2: of separating in the NFL. The contested catch rads almost

992
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:16,359
Speaker 2: inevitably drop in the NFL. If anything, the guys who

993
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,280
Speaker 2: want contested catch dollings who do separate at a high clip

994
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 2: wind up being good contested catch guys in the NFL.

995
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 3: So like T Higgins was a guy I loved coming

996
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:27,799
Speaker 3: out of Clunton. It's it's convenient that I remember all

997
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 3: my correct evaluations. But cause I even though he sort

998
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 3: of could have got you put in that in that bucket,

999
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 3: I just thought you saw more fluidity and that his

1000
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 3: and his like verticality was just special in a way

1001
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 3: that Yeah, there's like a lot of like one on

1002
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 3: one and one handed catches and it is it is

1003
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 3: cool to watch. He's gonna be a red zone guy

1004
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 3: for sure, But yeah, I just don't know if the

1005
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 3: ball winning stuff is gonna is gonna translate as well.

1006
00:44:57,520 --> 00:44:59,319
Speaker 1: What are the things you liked about Boston though?

1007
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 2: It the ball tracking? I mean, he dunks on people.

1008
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:03,799
Speaker 2: I think he is specially in the air. He really

1009
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 2: has an ability to hold himself in the air for

1010
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 2: like three seconds, look around, check out what's going on,

1011
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 2: and just the ball in flight, and then just slam

1012
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 2: it on the head of the corner like that is

1013
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 2: where he wins. And it reminds me a little bit

1014
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 2: of Kenny Golladay, where you maybe will get the one

1015
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 2: season spike, and that's a certain brand of receiver that

1016
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 2: I think works for some offenses. It's not really how

1017
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:25,320
Speaker 2: teams are playing anymore with all the condensed and congested stuff.

1018
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 2: I just think you gotta be way more nimble, and

1019
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 2: I just don't think he's truly an NFL athlete in

1020
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 2: short area. I think that he cannot sink his hips.

1021
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 2: He struggles to deceller and get out of breaks. And

1022
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 2: even if you are that vertical stretch guy and we're

1023
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 2: gonna try and play back shoulder fade game and then

1024
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 2: we're gonna try and play ghost shot game, you really

1025
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 2: have to be able to snap back to the quarterback

1026
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 2: out at the top of the step. You've got to

1027
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 2: be able to be in the curls and the comebacks

1028
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:50,319
Speaker 2: that you can get the breaks that you need on

1029
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 2: the fade routes. He just can't really sink and get

1030
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 2: out of it. And if you watch him against the

1031
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 2: better athletes against Michigan and Oregon, it really starts to

1032
00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 2: show up that he just cannot separate snapping back to

1033
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 2: the quarterback and breaking out the route.

1034
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 3: There was another game maybe versus Rutgers, I don't remember

1035
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:08,919
Speaker 3: who it was, but you're right at this short area

1036
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 3: of quickness, and that is maybe a type that I like.

1037
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 3: But that's why I think there will be a little

1038
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 3: more surprise in terms of where these guys go, because

1039
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 3: I just don't know if it's like that huge of

1040
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 3: a gap between the Tyson and Denzel Boston, who have

1041
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:27,879
Speaker 3: pretty high things, and the brazil and even Chris Bell,

1042
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:30,839
Speaker 3: who teams could just look at as these high ceiling guys.

1043
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know if it's like a

1044
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 3: huge gap. Different teams, I think, could see it very,

1045
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 3: very differently.

1046
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 2: I think it depends on what you need in the

1047
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:43,760
Speaker 2: room one and what the draft philosophy is. Some teams

1048
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:46,240
Speaker 2: just gather the receivers, we'll figure the room out afterwards.

1049
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 2: I think some teams a kind of more pinpoints on

1050
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 2: we're lacking this kind of skill set. Let's go get it.

1051
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 2: Boston is a guy who I think if you put

1052
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 2: him with a veteran if he was just catching passes

1053
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:58,879
Speaker 2: from Dak Prescott or Aaron Rodgers or Jordan Love, someone

1054
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 2: who's willing to just rip it. If someone is even

1055
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 2: they are open, I'll just put it on the inside number.

1056
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 2: That's open enough for me. Guys who are willing to

1057
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:07,799
Speaker 2: thread that kind of needle hits, the ability to kind

1058
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 2: of just play late off the snap, play late out

1059
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:12,799
Speaker 2: of press, and just twist ever so slight to create

1060
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 2: a throwing lade. I think that will work and VET

1061
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:17,879
Speaker 2: quarterbacks will love playing with him. I just wouldn't want

1062
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:20,959
Speaker 2: to use the draft capital in the air he's going

1063
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 2: out to be like a foundational piece of an offense.

1064
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:25,919
Speaker 2: I think he's more of a package based player for skill.

1065
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 2: So that's actually pretty limited in the league.

1066
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I should have mentioned the product of Washington and

1067
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 3: just thinking about like quarterback wide receiver combos, going back

1068
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 3: to Chris Bell, Let's bring back the Tyler shuck Chris

1069
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 3: Bell Combo. I would be in for that. This is

1070
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 3: like a second round pick. I think that would be

1071
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 3: fun let's get let's get positive. Let's make it time

1072
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,880
Speaker 3: for charging into the offseason. Presented by Apple Card for

1073
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 3: all your game day purchases. Let's get some flowers. A

1074
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:55,320
Speaker 3: guy you think is way better than his consensus board ranking.

1075
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:58,320
Speaker 3: We've hit most of the top guys so far, although

1076
00:47:58,360 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 3: not all of them.

1077
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I really like Elijah Surrat, Omar Cooper's running me Indiana,

1078
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:07,359
Speaker 2: Fernando Mendoza's go to target and must have it situations

1079
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 2: on most key third downs, and he I think will

1080
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:15,280
Speaker 2: fall into the bucket of Malachi Fields. Of Denzel Boston,

1081
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 2: we just talked about where people will view him as

1082
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:19,839
Speaker 2: more of his vertical presence, can tested catch jump ball

1083
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 2: type guy. I just think he's more of a professional

1084
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 2: well rund of receiver in terms of getting off press,

1085
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 2: in terms of winning early in the route. I think

1086
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:28,880
Speaker 2: he's got a little bit more short area of fluidity

1087
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:31,439
Speaker 2: than he's given credit for us. Just a pure vertical guy,

1088
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:33,839
Speaker 2: and I think he can just step in. If you're

1089
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 2: saying to me tomorrow we're playing a playoff game, who's

1090
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 2: going to be the third receiver in the lineup? And

1091
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 2: I'm the Rams. I'm a team who really has a

1092
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 2: must get it game. He's the guy whould have the

1093
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 2: most confidence in this kind of second bucket that we're

1094
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 2: talking about, where from the real top part of the

1095
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 2: class to this real meat section where there's like eight

1096
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:54,720
Speaker 2: nine guys and you're picking different flavors if you prefer.

1097
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 2: The guy who would trust the most is Elijah Surrat.

1098
00:48:57,520 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 3: I like that he's right now seventy seventh and the

1099
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 3: can Censis board, and yeah, there is a cluster of

1100
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:06,240
Speaker 3: guys late second and then into the third round, whether

1101
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 3: it's Jeremy Bernard, the kind of solid receiver from Alabama.

1102
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:13,719
Speaker 3: We mentioned brands, Malachi Fields, a receiver from Notre Dame,

1103
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 3: Antonio Williams who I know, Daniel Jeremiah likes from Clemson,

1104
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 3: Bryce Lance, Trey Lance's brother from North Dakota States in

1105
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 3: the mix there as like a third round pick, Danny

1106
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:27,400
Speaker 3: Kelly from the Ringer likes him a lot. And so okay,

1107
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 3: I like that. You're you're planting your your flag on

1108
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:34,919
Speaker 3: to rot right there. And look that was charging into

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1112
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Speaker 3: mounchies to merch subject to credit approval. I was going

1113
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:51,839
Speaker 3: to ask you for like a favorite comp complimentary. This

1114
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:54,279
Speaker 3: could this could be anyone. We haven't Omar Cooper yet

1115
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 3: if you've got one, but it could just be a

1116
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 3: favorite comp that you've got in the entire class and

1117
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:01,839
Speaker 3: we can save cou If he's not the perfect one.

1118
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:03,759
Speaker 2: I can give you the Cooper one. I would say

1119
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 2: conceptsi onto Z Flowers is probably I think the most

1120
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 2: crystal clear one in my mind. My surrut one is

1121
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 2: Keenan Allen, which I think that he's not gonna quite

1122
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:14,400
Speaker 2: be that car or a player, but it's in that

1123
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:18,800
Speaker 2: Mike Williams Keenan Allen type mold. I think Omar Cooper

1124
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 2: is slightly less of Brandan ayuk U get the peak

1125
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 2: of his spouse.

1126
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 3: Okay, it's funny because uh, I feel like, yeah, ayuk

1127
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:34,400
Speaker 3: is always like a popular comp in general. Cooper is

1128
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 3: a guy that I look at and I just think

1129
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 3: that's gonna work. I I I I could be wrong,

1130
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 3: but he just looks like an NFL player.

1131
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:44,879
Speaker 1: Now.

1132
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 3: Is like what that means production wise is going to

1133
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 3: depend on you know what, what system he's gonna land

1134
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 3: and he's not like a number one type of receiver.

1135
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:58,320
Speaker 3: H I like dk uh Danny Kelly's comp which was

1136
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 3: Josh Downs with the power Up Mushroom Boost, which which

1137
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 3: like sounds like my favorite player ever. I just feel

1138
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 3: like he he is gonna figure it out at the

1139
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:14,240
Speaker 3: next level, that he's versatile, and like there's that famous,

1140
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:17,359
Speaker 3: you know touchdown obviously that he had to to kind

1141
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 3: of save Indiana's undefeated season that gave us Gus Johnson's

1142
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:23,400
Speaker 3: greatest call.

1143
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:23,839
Speaker 1: Of all time.

1144
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 3: But what I remember about that too, it's like he

1145
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:31,280
Speaker 3: got that separation from the little wiggle that he had

1146
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 3: at the start of the route which just froze the defender.

1147
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 1: And you see that all over his tape.

1148
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 3: And so he's just a fun player to watch, Like

1149
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:41,839
Speaker 3: if my team took him in the late first round

1150
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:44,240
Speaker 3: or wherever it's gonna be, I'm I really like Omar

1151
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:44,839
Speaker 3: Cooper too.

1152
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with you.

1153
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:48,759
Speaker 2: I mean, he is failess, he is tough, He texts

1154
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:50,360
Speaker 2: the middle of the field like a few other people

1155
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 2: in the class. I think he's probably slippery rather than

1156
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 2: truly explosive and fast, and he is unbelievable after the catch,

1157
00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:01,920
Speaker 2: I mean the mistackle rate, the toughness, the creativity, the balance.

1158
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:04,400
Speaker 2: He's not a high fly. He's going to be a

1159
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 2: true vertical threat outside the numbers, even from the slot.

1160
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:09,440
Speaker 2: I think it's more of the deep overs and the

1161
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 2: crosses and can you do some damage for us in space.

1162
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:15,239
Speaker 2: But that is a type that works in the league,

1163
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:17,359
Speaker 2: that has when everybody's chasing over and over again. If

1164
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 2: you cannot find Justin Jefferson and it's a once in

1165
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 2: a franchise situation where you get Justin Jefferson, the next

1166
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 2: rung down is trying to find the maximum type of

1167
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:27,840
Speaker 2: this player, and I think Oman Kooper fits in that bucket.

1168
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:31,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, And you know, shout out to our guy Daniel Jeremiah,

1169
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:33,759
Speaker 3: who had him very high right off the bat when

1170
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 3: he was just not too high. In the overall consensus,

1171
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 3: he has him in the top twenty. He's twenty sixth

1172
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:43,759
Speaker 3: right now on the consensus board. And I see that.

1173
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:47,799
Speaker 3: It just seems it just no players are safe exactly

1174
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 3: come into the NFL. But to me, he is a

1175
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:53,920
Speaker 3: safe player and I like that comp Who do you

1176
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:55,799
Speaker 3: think is just like the best route runner if that's

1177
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 3: just like.

1178
00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:56,880
Speaker 1: A big bucket.

1179
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 2: I think that's Connell. If you talk about the all around,

1180
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:03,319
Speaker 2: do they win in all three parts? Can they win

1181
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:05,239
Speaker 2: quick off the snap? Can they Can they kind of

1182
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 2: shake someone out of their cleats with a little shimmy

1183
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:09,440
Speaker 2: shaik or by reving up and templing down that's him?

1184
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:10,799
Speaker 2: And then can they just kind of get the push

1185
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 2: off and the dirty work and the late hands to

1186
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 2: separate late in the route. I always go back to

1187
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:16,719
Speaker 2: Michael Lovin saying, you're winning the NFL by winning late.

1188
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 2: There's no recovery time. You do whatever you gotta do

1189
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 2: to win late in the rent, and I think Cornell

1190
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 2: tat in terms of efficiency doing it in all three phases.

1191
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 2: I think it's in.

1192
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:27,399
Speaker 3: We had a couple others that you suggested. I don't

1193
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:29,319
Speaker 3: know if this has already been ticked off you you

1194
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 3: had a superlative that you would be you would be

1195
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 3: quitting as the coach if the GM did not get

1196
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:37,920
Speaker 3: him on your team. I don't know if Sarat already

1197
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 3: filled that bucket or you got another Surat four.

1198
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:43,360
Speaker 2: If I was the Raiders, I would not break up

1199
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:46,720
Speaker 2: the Fernando Mendoza Serat chemistry. Maybe it's not as viable

1200
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 2: for the teams, but they have such unbelievable wink wink chemistry,

1201
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 2: and he's gonna go in the seventies. It's not gonna be.

1202
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 2: You could go maybe early in the second round if

1203
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:57,400
Speaker 2: a really good guy falls to you, but other than that,

1204
00:53:57,480 --> 00:53:59,239
Speaker 2: I would just wait out, and I would make sure

1205
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:01,360
Speaker 2: that you don't break a couple of Mendoza Serrat and

1206
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 2: you would talk yourselves into hey, he's not Jamal Chase.

1207
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:06,759
Speaker 2: No one's Jamal Chase, but that Jamal Chase Joe borrow thing,

1208
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 2: translating it from college to the NFL. Let's make life

1209
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 2: as comfortable as possible for the first overall pick.

1210
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 3: Okay, I think we did it. I who is there?

1211
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 3: Is there like a player that we have not mentioned?

1212
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:21,280
Speaker 3: I think we've we've hit the consensus first and second

1213
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:23,920
Speaker 3: round picks. You know, I mentioned Jeremy Bernard and Malokai

1214
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:26,360
Speaker 3: Fields you know certainly could be in that mix. I

1215
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:28,839
Speaker 3: don't know if there's any other like deep Deep Deep

1216
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:30,360
Speaker 3: Day three guy.

1217
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:30,799
Speaker 1: That you love.

1218
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:32,879
Speaker 3: There was some guy last year I had never heard

1219
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:36,040
Speaker 3: of that you wrote like a thirty minute love song too.

1220
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 1: I don't know whatever happened to him.

1221
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:40,720
Speaker 2: That just anyone's who was its?

1222
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:41,120
Speaker 1: Was it?

1223
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 3: That was his origin story? You made it happen. Maybe

1224
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 3: the Patriots were listening. Uh, you know some NFL teams

1225
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:53,360
Speaker 3: are listening to the read Optional. Check out Ali's podcast

1226
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:56,319
Speaker 3: with John Ledyard. They do great stuff. But yeah, give

1227
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 3: me your Day three guy.

1228
00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 2: If you got one Day three guy would be Eric

1229
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 2: Rivers from Georgia Tech, who is an absolute speeds to

1230
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:05,879
Speaker 2: He is tiny. I think we would both tower over him,

1231
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 2: and that may be a problem playing football on Sundays, but.

1232
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 1: I would not. I would not be towering over him.

1233
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 2: It's possible for Eric.

1234
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 1: I'm six.

1235
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 3: If you round up, it was like I always overcorrected.

1236
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 3: It was like five, five and three quarters, but I

1237
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 3: listed five to five because I was like, I'm standing

1238
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:23,799
Speaker 3: up for the short guys. I'm not trying to look

1239
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:25,880
Speaker 3: taller on my license.

1240
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:26,440
Speaker 2: You know.

1241
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:31,719
Speaker 1: Let's let's equality. You know, I don't know, That's all

1242
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:32,359
Speaker 1: I got to say.

1243
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 2: He can fly, he moves at a different speed to

1244
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:37,640
Speaker 2: pretty much anyone else. Whether he can actually get in

1245
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:39,640
Speaker 2: the field or he's just special teams or something like that,

1246
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 2: I think is a bit of an open question. The

1247
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 2: other guy that we haven't hit on I think is

1248
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:48,759
Speaker 2: ted Hurst out of Georgia State, who is gonna go

1249
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 2: probably early in the second round. I would guess based

1250
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:53,839
Speaker 2: on the physical profile. The thing that is wild about

1251
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 2: watching ted Hurst when you just kind of block out

1252
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 2: all the noise, it's Georgia State, they got the field whatever,

1253
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:03,200
Speaker 2: the style of running, just the pure style, and he's

1254
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 2: not the body type, and he's not the size, and

1255
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 2: he doesn't have the same level change of direction. And

1256
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:09,440
Speaker 2: I'm going to compiment it to one of the greatest

1257
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:13,280
Speaker 2: blasts ever played the position. But just the running, pure speed,

1258
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 2: maintaining the speed, running like a sprinter as opposed to

1259
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:19,840
Speaker 2: a wide receiver. He has a little bit of Julio

1260
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 2: Jones in just a pure style of running. And I

1261
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:25,759
Speaker 2: just cannot imagine the league will watch that, a guy

1262
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 2: of his size exploding down the field, ripping apart four

1263
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 2: deep coverage and not decide we'll go in for that early.

1264
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:34,800
Speaker 2: If Brezol goes and kind of the heighth weight speed

1265
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 2: guys go earlyer than maybe they're expected by the consensus board,

1266
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 2: I imagine ted Hurst will be pushed.

1267
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:41,719
Speaker 1: For the draft. I love that.

1268
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:44,799
Speaker 3: One of the yeah categories we skipped here just for

1269
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 3: time was the type of player the NFL can't quit

1270
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 3: and he would absolutely fit that. I got to put

1271
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 3: him on my watch list because I can just see

1272
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:56,719
Speaker 3: Julio running through the secondary just that. I don't know

1273
00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:59,399
Speaker 3: how to describe it, but it's It was a thing

1274
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:01,840
Speaker 3: of beauty, and so is this show. As I mentioned,

1275
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 3: check out the read optional with Ali. Thank you Alli.

1276
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 3: As I mentioned, we're going to be going through the

1277
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 3: entire draft with Ali helping us out on these shows.

1278
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:14,320
Speaker 3: And yes, he's going to be joining me and Daniel

1279
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:17,720
Speaker 3: Jeremiah for an upcoming show. I think that's going to

1280
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 3: drop next month, but I'm really looking forward to that

1281
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 3: as well. Also looking forward to get back in the

1282
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 3: studio me Jordan, Colleen Patrick Fullhouse bringing back our NFL

1283
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:33,240
Speaker 3: First Date show from a year ago. We'll see you

1284
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:39,160
Speaker 3: on Thursday.