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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk, suspects sick jokes after the shooting, they claimed

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Speaker 2: the life of Kirk, and tonight.

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Speaker 1: Are others in on the murder plot?

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Speaker 2: Did he have help? Now he's being called a furry freak?

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Speaker 1: What if anything, did that have to do with motive?

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Speaker 2: I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. I want to

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Speaker 2: thank you for being with us Breaking news tonight. The

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Speaker 2: lone shooter, the assassin that gunned down thirty one year

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Speaker 2: old Charlie Kirk.

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Speaker 3: We already have a suspect in custody, Tyler Robinson.

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Speaker 1: A twenty two year old Utah resident.

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Speaker 4: Good morning, ladies and gentlemen.

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Speaker 5: We got him.

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Speaker 1: Did he have help? Did he act alone? Again?

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Speaker 2: Tonight breaking news as we go to air. But for

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Speaker 2: those of you just joining us, this is what happened.

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Speaker 3: So do you know how many transgender Americans have fin

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Speaker 3: mass shooters.

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Speaker 1: Over the last ten years?

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Speaker 6: Too many?

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Speaker 2: Fine?

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Speaker 1: Okay, now bye's long right. I'm gonna give you Gonave

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Speaker 1: his credit. Do you know how many mass.

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Speaker 3: Shooters there have been in America over the last ten years?

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Speaker 6: Accounting or not coming gang violence?

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Speaker 3: Great chaos on the Utah Valley University campus says thousands

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Speaker 3: of students and locals run from Kirk's booth screaming. Kirk's

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Speaker 3: security team rushes into action, putting pressure on Kirk's wound

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Speaker 3: and escorting him to awaiting SUV to take him to

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Speaker 3: the hospital.

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Speaker 2: At this hour, law enforcement remaining mum whether or not

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Speaker 2: the shooting suspect had help. Were others in on the plot?

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Speaker 2: Did they help him retrieve the gun, retrieve his vehicle?

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Speaker 1: What do we know? As we go to air, we

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Speaker 1: are learning that the.

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Speaker 2: Kirk shooting suspects is tied to the murder scene through

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Speaker 2: d N A straight out of City Center. Joining US

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Speaker 2: Crime Stories investigative reporter.

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Speaker 7: What DNA well on both a screwdriver found on the

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Speaker 7: roof of the Low Sea Center where he took that shot,

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Speaker 7: and on the towel where she wrapped the rifle and

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Speaker 7: left it in the woods, hoping to go back for it.

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Speaker 2: Later, guys, very very typical that DNA is found, but

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Speaker 2: not necessarily on the murder weapon.

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Speaker 1: We are also learning at this hour that this suspect is.

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Speaker 2: No longer cooperating, not speaking to police. Why now we

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Speaker 2: learn he is being placed on a quote special watch

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Speaker 2: we know he told his family he would rather die

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Speaker 2: than go into custody.

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Speaker 1: Joining us in.

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Speaker 2: All Star panel, But first I want to go to

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Speaker 2: a very special guest joining us, Tianna Lao, a witness

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Speaker 2: to the Kirk shooting.

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Speaker 1: Tiana, what happened? What did you witness?

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Speaker 8: So it was into the second question, and that was

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Speaker 8: when I heard the gunshot go off.

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Speaker 9: I was with my friend. We thought it was a crank,

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Speaker 9: so we immediately.

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Speaker 8: Looked up to this guy, thinking that maybe there's a wrapper.

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Speaker 8: I didn't realize the severity of the situation until everyone

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Speaker 1: Where were you exactly in relation to Kirk?

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Speaker 9: I was a few feet away.

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Speaker 8: So he has a ground floor and there's three steps

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Speaker 1: What exactly, Tianna, did you hear? I really heard.

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Speaker 8: So I heard the gunshot go off, and that was

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Speaker 8: when I started hearing a bunch of people start crying

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Speaker 9: I was terrified.

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Speaker 1: When did you realize you had heard a gunshot?

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Speaker 9: It was into the second question.

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Speaker 8: It took me a really long time in process because

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Speaker 1: What did you see?

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Speaker 2: You hear the gunshot? At first, you don't realize exactly

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Speaker 2: what it is. That's very common, because I don't think Tianna,

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Speaker 1: Not expecting to hear a gunshot.

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Speaker 2: You might think, oh, that was a car backfiring, or

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Speaker 2: used to hearing gunshots ringing out. At the moment you

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Speaker 2: did you see he was?

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Speaker 8: He got shot on his left side and I was

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Speaker 8: really shocked when I heard he got shot because I

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Speaker 9: Even see him fall down once.

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Speaker 8: I like, after looking up at this guy and then

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Speaker 8: So when I started running back in and I looked back.

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Speaker 8: I didn't see anything else.

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Speaker 1: When you did look back, what was there to say?

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Speaker 8: It was too much? There was too many crowds. Also,

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately, when you think back on how close you were,

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Speaker 2: if he had missed Kirk, he could have shot someone

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Speaker 1: Have you considered that I.

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Speaker 8: Was actually talking about this to my friend, because the

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Speaker 8: thing is that if I was sitting a bit closer

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Speaker 8: to him, I would have been shot along, sorry, along

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Speaker 8: with my friend who I really care about.

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Speaker 9: I was worried about that.

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Speaker 2: What is your take on the hatred that must have

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Speaker 2: led the shooter to pull the trigger? Just put so

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Speaker 2: many people, including yourself, in mortal danger? Ever, what because

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Speaker 2: you don't like what somebody says.

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Speaker 8: It's just it's unbelievable to me because I have many

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Speaker 8: friends from a lot of different political backgrounds, and I

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Speaker 9: Just because of what they believe in.

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Speaker 8: It's really it's sad to think that there are people

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Speaker 8: out there that want to harm others that don't have

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Speaker 8: their same opinion.

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Speaker 1: Are you a student there, Yes, I am.

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Speaker 9: I'm currently a junior, right now, what are you studying.

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Speaker 9: I'm studying marketing.

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Speaker 1: Gianna.

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Speaker 2: When you went to the rally, did you feel completely

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Speaker 1: I did.

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Speaker 9: I mean, I love my school.

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Speaker 8: I personally felt really safe being there. Nothing in the

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Speaker 9: So I was really shocked.

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Speaker 2: Chiana laut joining us, who was there at the time

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Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk was gunned down, you stated that everyone began

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Speaker 2: running once they realized it had been a gunshot that

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Speaker 2: rang out. What did everyone think had happened? You stated,

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Speaker 2: I turned back to see if anything happened to Charlie,

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Speaker 2: and you couldn't tell because he was mobbed. Why did

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Speaker 9: So I, yeah, of course.

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Speaker 8: No one in my robe immediately knew what happened because

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Speaker 8: I didn't think that it was anything severe because I

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Speaker 2: You said that there was a lot of confusion, no

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Speaker 1: Describe that.

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Speaker 8: Yes, I also completely forgot what the person asking the

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Speaker 8: I was just thinking all in my head really was

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Speaker 8: I felt responsible for my friends since I invited her

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Speaker 8: but I was also concerned for the safety of others

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Speaker 1: You took cover in a classroom.

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Speaker 8: What happened, Yes, it was during that time that we

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Speaker 8: and that was when a professor started coming in and

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Speaker 2: What went through your mind when you realized the shooter

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I was.

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Speaker 8: I was in disbelief. I felt very unsafe. I thought,

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Speaker 8: could this person be I mean it is Paul, that

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Speaker 8: he could be a student that I have crossed paths with.

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Speaker 8: You never know who it is, be my neighbor, I was.

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Speaker 8: I did feel very unsafe throughout the remaining days.

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Speaker 1: What kind of security was set up when Kurt was speaking.

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Speaker 8: Yes, so I knew previously because of my friend's job,

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Speaker 8: be enough. But once I started going in, I also

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Speaker 8: previously signed up to go to this event, and that

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Speaker 9: Do you know about this event? And I said, yeah,

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Speaker 8: I actually signed up, and I was shocked about how

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Speaker 8: there was no other security measures that I could see.

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Speaker 8: It was reopen before.

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Speaker 1: The gunshot rang out. What was the atmosphere? What was

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Speaker 1: the mood in the Crown?

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Speaker 8: I thought that for the most part it was still

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Speaker 8: pretty peaceful. There were a few audio issues, so there

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Speaker 8: to make the volume higher since we put in here

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Speaker 8: the person asking the question. But other than that, it

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Speaker 8: wasn't so bad. I mean, for me, it seemed like

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Speaker 8: a peaceful debate. Everyone was still for the most part. Cherrie,

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Speaker 8: there was nothing that I could see.

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Speaker 2: You said earlier that the atmosphere was very happy and peaceful.

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Speaker 8: Yes, I in my opinion, I know that at these

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Speaker 8: types of events there's always going to be someone.

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Speaker 9: Rioting or something like that.

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Speaker 8: I did see some some students for the LGBTQ community

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Speaker 9: No one else was insulting each other. To me, everything

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Speaker 2: What do you make of the aftermath when people are

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Speaker 2: making jokes about Kurt getting murdered.

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Speaker 10: I happened to be watching Charlie. I can't say I

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Speaker 3: There is they. Afternoon, Matt Robinson looked at the FBI

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Speaker 2: to Joseph Scott, Morgan and joining US Professor forensics jacksonvill

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Speaker 2: I like, you would automatically recognize my son even if

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you know you're with You're with your child day

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Speaker 2: We are hearing tonight Joe Scott that DNA deoxyuribo nucleic

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Speaker 1: When I heard about a towel being wrapped.

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Speaker 1: Everyone this as we were learning there was a.

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Speaker 2: Seemingly has disappeared, but the note apparently said I've got

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Speaker 1: To do it.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to take the opportunity, but right now DNA

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Speaker 1: Explained, Yeah, dig this.

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Speaker 6: So if this guy brought the towel with him and

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Speaker 6: Yes, yes, guess what happens when we're in direct sunlight sweating?

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Speaker 6: This is not you know, there's a high possibility, high

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: To Chris Mundunn and joining US director Coldcuse Foundation, former

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Speaker 2: homicide detective, worked over three hundred homicides and now as

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Speaker 2: the star of the interview Room on YouTube. Chris, think

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Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, Nancy, And it does go towards his specific

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Speaker 1: Killing Charlie Kirk. This could have been planned and plotted.

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Speaker 13: For a very long time, as we do know, Nancy,

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Speaker 9: So I don't have doubt that.

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Speaker 2: Guys, we are learning so much as we go to

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Speaker 2: death come four on ballistics, But you have performed so

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, we've got a suspect in custody. The

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Speaker 3: He shoots and then he's off the building. Then we

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Speaker 3: see him limping as he's walking through and saying, hey,

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Speaker 3: I got a video of a guy running into the backyards.

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Speaker 1: What more have we learned? As we go to air tonight, listen, he.

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Speaker 4: Is observed on video in a plane, maroon T shirt,

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Speaker 4: like colored shorts, a black hat with a white logo,

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Speaker 4: and like colored shoes. When encountered in person by investigators

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Speaker 4: in Washington County on September twelfth, in the early morning hours,

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Speaker 4: Robinson was observed in consistent clothing with those surveillance images.

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Speaker 2: That's for our friends at Fox Sidney Sumner. So he

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Speaker 2: had a wardrobe change.

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Speaker 7: Yes, that's what we are hearing. He arrived on campus

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Speaker 7: in different clothing, change into what we see in those

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Speaker 7: surveillance images, then changed back into the other outfit, and

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Speaker 7: that's what he was wearing when he was arrested.

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Speaker 2: That's one thing we had discussed immediately after Kirk's shooting

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Speaker 2: to venteran trial lawyer Eric Fattus joining US partner Varner

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Speaker 2: Fattest Elite legal former felony prosecutor Eric. That just adds

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Speaker 2: onto the state's case for premeditation. He actually had a

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Speaker 2: wardrobe change. He thought that much because we didn't understand

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Speaker 2: how he blended in on campus.

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Speaker 1: If he's dressed like.

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Speaker 2: A ninja all in black with a face covering a hat, sunglasses,

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Speaker 2: all in black, from a head net to risk to

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Speaker 2: tow but he didn't blend in that way because he

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Speaker 2: brought a change of clothes.

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Speaker 1: Now this may not.

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Speaker 2: Mean anything to a non lawyer, but it means a

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Speaker 2: lot to Me's extremely probative.

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Speaker 1: He thought it out. He planned it.

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Speaker 2: Out that much that he knew he had to change

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Speaker 2: clothes to blend in.

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Speaker 1: What about it?

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Speaker 14: Yeah, Nancy, that's exactly right. So the change of clothes

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Speaker 14: goes to premeditation. It shows that this was done after deliberation.

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Speaker 14: These are all elements of first degree murder. And on

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Speaker 14: top of that, it undercuts any potential mental health defense

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Speaker 14: because in insanity defense, he would have to show that

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Speaker 14: he did I didn't know what he was doing was wrong,

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Speaker 14: but he brought a change of clothes so that he

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Speaker 14: could conceal his identity and get away with it. That

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Speaker 14: shows he didn't know what he was doing, He had

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Speaker 14: a conscious objective, he had the knowledge in terms of

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Speaker 14: his actions, and that's going to be a real prone.

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Speaker 1: For well another thing.

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Speaker 2: Look at it, Chris mcdono, you've combed the same, by

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Speaker 2: the way, those shots.

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Speaker 1: Right there for our friends over at TMZ check it out.

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Speaker 2: Eight oh seven am. He looks like a college student.

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Speaker 2: I'm forty nine.

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Speaker 1: He's even put.

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Speaker 2: On James, so when he kneels down on that gravelly roof,

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Speaker 2: it won't hurt his knees. I mean, he really thought

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Speaker 2: this out.

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Speaker 1: Chris McDonough, tell us what you learned at the.

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Speaker 5: Same Yes, Nancy, at the scene, you can clearly see

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Speaker 5: where how he got up to the roof number one,

506
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Speaker 5: and then his sniper's nest was a straight shot right

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Speaker 5: at Charlie Kirk. And then when you see these photographs

508
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Speaker 5: of the surveillance foot is from the neighborhood. He has

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Speaker 5: changed those clothes, so it's an indication that he came early.

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Speaker 5: He apparently scoped out the area he was going to go.

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Speaker 5: What I could see while standing there, I was up

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Speaker 5: on a perch looking at where he was firing from

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Speaker 5: it was it was an easy shot, to be honest

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Speaker 5: with you. And then when he came off, he ran

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Speaker 5: across the road there and dropped his rifle into the

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Speaker 5: woods and then fled up into that neighborhood.

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Speaker 1: Those shots right there.

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Speaker 2: For our friends over at TMZ when you were on campus,

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Speaker 2: what did you observe, well, a couple of things.

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Speaker 5: It was it was an easy shot from the location

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Speaker 5: where he had chosen to shoot from. The center courtyard

522
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Speaker 5: of that campus is a very close area and so

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Speaker 5: you can't get there unless you go up on top

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Speaker 5: of a roof, and the authorities had shut that down,

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Speaker 5: and so he had to have gone and you know,

526
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Speaker 5: scoped out exactly the area where he was going to go.

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Speaker 2: You keep saying it was an easy shot and easy

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Speaker 2: sho many people do not believe two hundred yards is

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Speaker 2: an easy shot McDonough.

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Speaker 5: Well, it's about one hundred and fifty yards approximately from

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Speaker 5: my observation, and it was a straight on shot. You

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Speaker 5: could tell that he if he hit Charlie in the center,

533
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Speaker 5: mass Ie right here in the center mash relklike fragmented

534
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Speaker 5: which you know Doc Morgan was talking about, and it

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00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 5: hit him in the in the corotid artery and that

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Speaker 5: caused a bleedout almost immediately.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: It seems like he planned and plotted so.

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Speaker 2: Much, but then drove right up in his car, in

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Speaker 2: his vehicle easily traceable Listen.

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Speaker 4: Investigators reviewed additional video footage from UVU surveillance and identified

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Speaker 4: Robinson arriving on UVU campus in a Great Dodge Challenger

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Speaker 4: at approximately eight twenty nine am on September ten.

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Speaker 1: Just got more.

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Speaker 2: Let me throw a technical legal term at you, idiot,

546
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 2: I mean the towel. After all his planning and plotting

547
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 2: and scheming and gnashing his teeth and twitching his tail

548
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 2: and joking about Kirk online, idiot drives up and his

549
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 2: great Dodge Challenger a muscle car. Surprise, surprise, Did he

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Speaker 2: not hear anything about Brian Coburger and his white Elantra

551
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 2: that was spotted by everybody and their sister and their

552
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 2: long lost cousin. A white Elantra was seen over and

553
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 2: over at the crime scene, speeding away from the crime scene,

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00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 2: speeding past the seven to eleven the mcdona and I

555
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 2: staked out, caught on video. Did he not hear anything

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00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 2: about Brian Coburger.

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Speaker 1: And then there's the other piece of crap. X Hureman

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Speaker 1: and his vehicle.

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00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 2: Giarman parked his vehicle outside of his home forever everybody.

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Speaker 1: Knew it was his.

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00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 2: It was connected to the scene. His vehicle tied him

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Speaker 2: to serial murders. So this guy, the current suspect, he

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Speaker 2: ain't all that.

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Speaker 1: In a bag of chips? What about it?

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Speaker 6: Morgan and listen to this, Just like Huerman, just like Coburger,

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Speaker 6: this vehicle that this person drove this challenger is going

567
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Speaker 6: to play in. It's going to have evidentiary value. Nancy.

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00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 6: Think about what you just said a few moments ago.

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Speaker 6: With the planning and everything. He used this vehicle in

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Speaker 6: order to not only transport himself, but probably transport this weapon.

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Speaker 6: Any kind of ammo, he had, any kind of tools

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Speaker 6: that he may have used, any kind of prop to

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Speaker 6: support the weapon, changes a clothes, everything, and yet he's

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Speaker 6: leaving these breadcrumbs all the way along. These people are

575
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Speaker 6: not the smartest in the world. They can kind of

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Speaker 6: figure out the front end and kind of bounce off

577
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Speaker 6: and get things done, but in the end, it's going

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Speaker 6: to be their actions following the event that we'll always

579
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Speaker 6: get them caught.

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Speaker 2: Tonight, we learn that the Kirk murder suspect was obsessed

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Speaker 2: with furries people that for sexual reasons like to pretend

582
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Speaker 2: they're animals. That's a whole other can of worms. But

583
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Speaker 2: can we deal with hard evidence, Listen.

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Speaker 4: The messages also referred to engraving bullets and a mention

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Speaker 4: of a scope and the rifle being unique. Messages from

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Speaker 4: the contact Tyler also mentioned that he had changed outfits.

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Speaker 4: Investigators noted inscriptions that had been engraved on casings found

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Speaker 4: with the rifle. Inscriptions on a fired keseeing read notices

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Speaker 4: bulge's capital wo, what's this question?

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Speaker 7: Mark.

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Speaker 4: Inscriptions on the three unfired casings read hey fascist exclamation point,

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Speaker 4: catch exclamation point, up arrow symbol, right arrow and symbol,

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Speaker 4: and three down arrow symbols. A second unfired casing read

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Speaker 4: oh bellichow bellachow bella chow chow chow. And a third

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Speaker 4: unfired casing read If you read this you are gay LMAO.

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Speaker 2: Of that from our friends at Fox, and you are

597
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,400
Speaker 2: hearing the Utah Governor Spencer Cox speaking.

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Speaker 1: You know what.

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Speaker 2: I hardly know where to start. But Sidney Sumner Crime Stories,

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Speaker 2: investigative reporter boy from the suburbs, silver spin in his mouth, what.

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Speaker 1: Mommy and Daddy Steel paying his car note is.

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Speaker 2: Talking about how he hates fascism. What what does he know

603
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 2: about fascism?

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Speaker 1: And who the hey gave him a gun to start with?

605
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Speaker 2: But let's just start with the page he took out

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Speaker 2: of Luigimanngioni's notebook. He took the time to engrave the

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Speaker 2: bullets take down Mangioni. He makes me sick. Sidney, tell

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Speaker 2: me about the engravings on the bullets.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, so each bullet was engraved very similar to Brian

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Speaker 7: Thompson shooting the first one that Governor Cox had a

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Speaker 7: hard time reading out loud. It's a meme. It's like

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Speaker 7: role playing that's commonly used among like furries and wiyaboos.

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Speaker 7: Those are it's a term for white people who are

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Speaker 7: very interested in Japanese culture in kind of an odd way.

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Speaker 7: And we see this on something.

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Speaker 2: Like wibo is but a furry crosses all socioeconomic boundaries.

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Speaker 2: But web, yes, that's an obsession with Japanese culture. But okay,

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Speaker 2: you're talking about the engravings, Go ahead, right, Yeah, So.

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Speaker 7: We see that kind of language on sites like four chan,

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Speaker 7: Reddit and discord. So capital owo is actually an emoticon face.

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Speaker 7: And this is what I don't really understand. I never

622
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Speaker 7: really get what that face.

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Speaker 2: Is trying to tell you.

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Speaker 1: It's when you notice an erection there. Do you understand that?

625
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:37,720
Speaker 7: Yes, I understand what is being said, but that face

626
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 7: in particular just doesn't really do anything for me. But

627
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Speaker 7: apparently it's supposed to communicate interest of a sexual nature,

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00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 7: obviously paired with noticing someone's direction. So that's the first

629
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Speaker 7: bullet it has to do with furries, it's role playing language,

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Speaker 7: it's kind of an online meme. So this one's clearly

631
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 7: satirical to Robinson when he engraves it.

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Speaker 1: Sydney, Sydney, Sumner Crime Stories, Sydney. This guy had way

633
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Speaker 1: too much time on his hands.

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Speaker 2: It's like Mangione, Please quit showing me Mangioni's face. I

635
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 2: don't want to see his twenty thousand dollars worth of

636
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 2: orthodontia Sydney. This guy, the current shooter, obviously had way

637
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:24,320
Speaker 2: too much time on his hands. He is obsessed with furries.

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00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 2: I'm not judging. I don't care what he does, but

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Speaker 2: if he's got time to engrave bullets with sex, talk

640
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:40,280
Speaker 2: and more, he's got way too much time on his hands.

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Speaker 7: Did he work apparently so so in addition to engraving bullets,

642
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 7: he was a student at a technical college working on

643
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 7: an electrical apprenticeship and that also included field work, so

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Speaker 7: we know that he was working on a large project

645
00:37:56,680 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 7: with a team where he was wiring a new apartment

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Speaker 7: in complex. So he did work, but somehow, get this, Nancy.

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Speaker 7: He also had over two thousand hours of video game

648
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Speaker 7: streaming logged online and that's only streaming, and that's over

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Speaker 7: ten years. But I did the mask is that is

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Speaker 7: an hour a day playing video games at least and.

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Speaker 2: That's only what he put and it's just streaming, right, Okay,

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Speaker 2: explain that because a lot of people don't know the

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Speaker 2: difference between playing and then what you put online. Explain

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Speaker 2: there he is crawling down the side of a building

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Speaker 2: after murdering Charlie Kirk, a husband, a father, explaining Sadie,

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Speaker 2: what we're talking about putting it online.

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Speaker 7: So there are sites like Twitch is probably the most

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Speaker 7: popular one, and this is where it's basically like having

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Speaker 7: a social media account like an Instagram or a YouTube,

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Speaker 7: and when you go on Twitch, you're live streaming, so

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Speaker 7: people are watching you play your game, whether it's an

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Speaker 7: online game or something like Starting Valley, which is much

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Speaker 7: more comforting, but people can watch you as you play

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Speaker 7: your game live and comment on what you're doing.

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Speaker 2: It said, said, I'm going to circle back to you.

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Speaker 2: This is something I don't understand. Crime stories with Nancy Grace,

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Speaker 2: Joe Scott Morgan. Who has time to watch somebody else

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Speaker 2: playing a video game? First of all, who has time

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Speaker 2: to play two thousand hours worth of video games. That said,

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Speaker 2: but who has time to watch his screen that he's

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Speaker 2: posting off himself playing a video game two thousand hours?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, a session online with furries. Yeah.

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Speaker 6: I have no point of reference for that sort of thing,

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Speaker 6: but I can tell you this discuss is very visual.

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Speaker 6: And let me tell you why anybody that would engrave

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Speaker 6: on these live rounds, Nancy, let me throw this out

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Speaker 6: to you. I got to tell you. You might not like

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Speaker 6: me for saying this. I have no idea, but I

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Speaker 6: got to tell you I think this guy wanted to

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Speaker 6: be caught. Why is he going to leave a message

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Speaker 6: behind and not just once, but on all of these rounds?

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Speaker 6: Drop the weapon?

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Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan, who's talking right now?

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Speaker 2: That's such bs. Let me just clarify one thing. This

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Speaker 2: is a yes.

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Speaker 1: No are you a shrink? Because I think you're a

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Speaker 1: death investigator? But are you?

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Speaker 2: Did you secretly go to night school and get your

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Speaker 2: psychiatry degree med school plus?

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Speaker 1: Did you?

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 6: But I've come around a few that I thought may

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Speaker 6: have That was.

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Speaker 1: A single response. You're on cross right now.

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Speaker 2: Let's go to the actual shrink, doctor cu Kornbluth.

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Speaker 1: It's not necessarily that he quote wanted to be caught.

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Speaker 1: How about just.

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Speaker 2: Straight out at your rear end arrogance that you're smarter

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Speaker 2: than every in the room, that you're not gonna get caught.

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Speaker 1: All your friends free or otherwise are not going to

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Speaker 1: rat you out. They're gonna consider you a hero.

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Speaker 2: That's why he put a message on a bullet to

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Speaker 2: murder a father of two. I don't care who agrees

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Speaker 2: with Kirk or disagrees with Kirk, like him, love him, hate.

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Speaker 1: Him, don't care.

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Speaker 2: This guy had the arrogance, the hatred in his heart

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Speaker 2: to put a message on the bullet decrying fascism and

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Speaker 2: about his wanna be erection.

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Speaker 1: Really, you know what, go to hell. Go to hell.

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Speaker 1: That's not wanting to get caught.

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Speaker 2: You are an a whole grade, a number one, red

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Speaker 2: and rashy.

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Speaker 1: What about that diagnosis, corn Blooth? I think you're spot on, Nancy.

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Speaker 15: And by the way, most of these people that burder

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Speaker 15: people like this want that hero mentality out there after.

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Speaker 16: That's why they carve their initials on it so that

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Speaker 16: the world can know that he did this for all

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Speaker 16: the people that hate Charlie Kirk.

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Speaker 1: He did this for all of them.

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Speaker 16: It's a sick mentality and.

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Speaker 1: It's an obsessive mentality.

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Speaker 16: And for me, Nancy, he has lived in a world

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Speaker 16: of fantasy. Hence the Furries come in because the group

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Speaker 16: of people that belong to Furries, a lot of them

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Speaker 16: live in.

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Speaker 1: A fantasy world.

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Speaker 15: Also, the video games that he was playing was in

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Speaker 15: a fantasy world.

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Speaker 1: So all of this goes.

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Speaker 16: Together in a very nice psychological package that this kid

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Speaker 16: will not kid adult was suffering from something, but it

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Speaker 16: was premeditated. He wanted to be the hero and probably

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Speaker 16: has some kind of psychological disorder that is going on,

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Speaker 16: but we shall see.

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Speaker 2: Don't even tunea doctor about an insanity defense or some

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Speaker 2: kind of psychological defect. He knew what he was doing,

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Speaker 2: and under our jurisprudence, the test is the old McNaughton

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Speaker 2: test brought to the US from Great Britain as part

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Speaker 2: of our common law.

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Speaker 1: Did he know right from wrong at the time of

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Speaker 1: the incidents?

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Speaker 2: And the answer to that is hgwlyes. He changed clothes

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Speaker 2: to us so as to avoid detection. He covered his tracks,

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Speaker 2: he parked far away, he hid his weapon, he had

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Speaker 2: to go back and retrieve his weapon. He tried to

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Speaker 2: cover his face. Everything indicates he knew what he was

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Speaker 2: doing was wrong, and he tried to hide it afterwards.

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Speaker 2: That is consciousness of guilt. Case closed. And to back

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Speaker 2: me up, he's no idiot that fell off the turnip

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Speaker 2: truck in the sense that he had a lot up here.

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Speaker 2: He had a high IQ and really good grades. That

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Speaker 2: doesn't negate the fact that he has won arrogant soob

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Speaker 2: watch this to.

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Speaker 5: Receive the Resident Presidential Scholarship from Utah State University.

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Speaker 2: The value of this scholarship is approximately thirty two thousand dollars.

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Speaker 1: This scholarship is available for forty years or a semesters.

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Speaker 17: Tyler Robinson graduates from Pine Hill High School, securing a

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Speaker 17: scholarship to his mother's alma mater, Utah State University. With

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Speaker 17: his top one percent ECT scores, Robinson packs up for

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Speaker 17: freshman year in Logan, Utah, but returns home just a

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Speaker 17: semester leader. Robinson continues living with his family, pursuing an

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Speaker 17: electricians apprenticeship at Dixie Technical College. Robinson and his brothers

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Speaker 17: seem to have a special interest in guns, pictured at

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Speaker 17: several gun shows.

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Speaker 2: If you know or think you know anything about Charlie

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Speaker 2: Kirk's shooting, the state is still putting together a case.

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Speaker 1: The case is going forward.

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Speaker 2: You may think your information is insignificant, that it may

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Speaker 2: not matter.

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Speaker 1: It matters.

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Speaker 2: Please dial eight zero one five seven nine fourteen hundred

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Speaker 2: or go online to Tips dot FBI dot gov. Repeat

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Speaker 2: eight zero one, five seven nine fourteen hundred. We remember

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Speaker 2: an American hero, Sergeant Thomas Craig, Phoenix, PD, killed in

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Speaker 2: the line of duty, leaving behind his widow, Lynn and

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Speaker 2: six children. American Hero Sergeant Thomas Craig, Nancy Gray signing

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Speaker 2: off goodbye friend,