Speaker 1: What's up, people, it's your boy, Cam Jay back with
Speaker 1: another episode of Off the Edge with Cam Jordan. Now
Speaker 1: as we gear it for another exciting season, I wanted
Speaker 1: to reflect on some of the incredible guests I had
Speaker 1: the pleasure of sitting down with last season. But Hey,
Speaker 1: don't worry though, I got you. New episodes coming your
Speaker 1: way real soon. Relax, I got you. But in the meantime,
Speaker 1: in between time, let's rewind and play back some of
Speaker 1: my favorite interviews from season one. To kick things off,
Speaker 1: I'm bringing you to your quarterback's worst nightmare.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 1: I'm bringing you my guy, Raiders defensive end Max Crosby.
Speaker 1: That's right, Mad Max in the building.
Speaker 2: Hey, welcome Off the Edge with Cam Jordan.
Speaker 1: I'm sitting here as Off the Edge with Cam Joy
Speaker 1: because I'm a defensive end. Off the Edge saying, if
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about more than just me bringing my
Speaker 1: guy Max Crosby.
Speaker 2: Were talking about dog underrated still somehow bro Pressure King.
Speaker 1: I met him, this was rookie year Max Crosby after
Speaker 1: the season at an NFL Honors show, sitting next to him.
Speaker 1: Really got to talk to my guy and he became
Speaker 1: my dog. We sort of have similar agents. We have
Speaker 1: agents on the same team. It's like we're on the
Speaker 1: same side. We wrote the amount of defensive end talks.
Speaker 1: We have just the respect I have for a guy
Speaker 1: like you, Max. It speaks volumes. I mean, you're at
Speaker 1: forty sacks. Forty sacks change being in the league for
Speaker 1: a few years. But that being said, Bro, you've been here.
Speaker 1: Like they said, the NFL is not for a long time,
Speaker 1: but a good time. Bro, you have made the most
Speaker 1: out of these five years. Bro, have been going crazy,
Speaker 1: not only from stat wise, but all pro Pro Bowl
Speaker 1: player leader on the on the Raiders, they call you
Speaker 1: Mad Max, not just your rapper name. You're off the
Speaker 1: edge defensive line persona.
Speaker 3: Bro.
Speaker 2: I appreciate you for tapping in with me.
Speaker 4: Bro, No, I appreciate you, Bro. You know the goes
Speaker 4: both ways. You've been an og for me since day one. So,
Speaker 4: like you said, we got a ton of connections, all
Speaker 4: the same people in the same circle. We know all
Speaker 4: the same people from Vaughn you know, working at his
Speaker 4: camps and on and on and on and on. So
Speaker 4: I appreciate you, Bro, and in your career, and you
Speaker 4: know I don't say this about many people but like
Speaker 4: there's a lot of guys you know, from like you
Speaker 4: and Vn. Y'all set the you know, the platform and
Speaker 4: the blueprint for how to do it, and uh, you
Speaker 4: give me a ton of inspirations.
Speaker 3: So just being here is an honor, BRO. So I
Speaker 3: appreciate you perfect.
Speaker 1: Bro.
Speaker 2: I appreciate it.
Speaker 3: Bro.
Speaker 1: I just want to like, I'm gonna open it up
Speaker 1: because I talk about it a lot, this idea that
Speaker 1: there's defensive ends and there's edge rushers. And you just
Speaker 1: brought up me and Vaughn same draft class twenty eleven
Speaker 1: Von edge rusher, me defensive end. You know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 1: where are you sitting this convo? Because they they plugged
Speaker 1: all of us together now outside linebacker qute unquote, your jacks,
Speaker 1: your wills are sometimes now edge rushers, and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: you can't do what I do.
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I feel that, you know honestly, like you said,
Speaker 4: like they try to just like put everybody into that
Speaker 4: edge category.
Speaker 3: But I think you're right.
Speaker 4: You know, at the end of the day, the edge
Speaker 4: position is it comes in so many different ways, you know,
Speaker 4: shapes and sizes. So that's what I think is the
Speaker 4: most special position, because you could have a guy who's
Speaker 4: five ten, two sixty and can rush the hell out
Speaker 4: of the pass or in set and edge. But then
Speaker 4: you could have a six six dude that's you know,
Speaker 4: Tom lanky that can still get the job done, but
Speaker 4: in a different way. So you know, for me, I
Speaker 4: don't you know, I don't like to put anybody in
Speaker 4: the box, you know, for me, like I said, like,
Speaker 4: I want to be the best all around defensive end
Speaker 4: from pass rushers, stop in the run. I play, you
Speaker 4: know how, I'm like you, I play every freaking snap
Speaker 4: Like That's how I how I carry myself. So like
Speaker 4: I don't want to be just known as a pass
Speaker 4: rusher or just a run stopping guy, Like I want
Speaker 4: to be the best overall.
Speaker 3: So that's you know, that's how I look at it.
Speaker 2: It got to be the best overall.
Speaker 4: Bro.
Speaker 1: Like, but I'm here to like, don't get a twist,
Speaker 1: I'm here to play this run first.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, one hundred. Bro.
Speaker 1: Wait, what do you prefer a four eye, which is
Speaker 1: you know that inside shaded a tackle, or do you
Speaker 1: prefer that five which the outside say the tackle or
Speaker 1: even a nine?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, no, I'll leave the you know, I'll leave
Speaker 4: the four eye a year. But for me, you know
Speaker 4: I'm playing. I like playing in a five or six
Speaker 4: or seven nine technique. You know that's me. I like
Speaker 4: being on an edge at all times, no question. You
Speaker 4: know you got you're weighing like too eighty.
Speaker 3: I don't. I'm like two sixty, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: I don't need to be in that four, but I'll
Speaker 3: do it. You know I've done it right. I prefer
Speaker 3: to be on the edge.
Speaker 2: At a high level push on. We all have our preferences.
Speaker 3: Me.
Speaker 1: I mean, I really want to be a six syde,
Speaker 1: Like if I could line up inside of a tight end.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm really I'm really putting hands on a tight end.
Speaker 1: Like that's when I'm like, I'm trying to choke somebody out,
Speaker 1: like and I get that rage and me I'm like,
Speaker 1: yeah him, I gotta get him.
Speaker 2: Oh, bro, I played the four I too, Like it's
Speaker 2: it is what it is.
Speaker 1: This is a different mindset, bro. When you think about
Speaker 1: first second down, then I think about third down, Like
Speaker 1: that's where like that's how I attack the lines, right,
Speaker 1: I'm not thinking like hey, pass play pass play, unless
Speaker 1: unless like office line is given hints or you know,
Speaker 1: like a formation like four outs is is typically a
Speaker 1: pass play. Like I'm thinking, like, all right, back off set,
Speaker 1: he coming my way, and I like, I got that smile.
Speaker 2: On me, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm like, Yo, they coming my way. Let's
Speaker 1: do this stutter punch, whatever it is, let's ride. When
Speaker 1: you think about what it takes to be a defensive end,
Speaker 1: have you ever thought about, like the characteristics what it takes.
Speaker 1: Not just it's like, oh, you gotta be long, you
Speaker 1: gotta be tall, because you've seen Jerry Jerry Hughes do it.
Speaker 1: You've seen Nick Perry do it, You've seen Tevon Thibodeau.
Speaker 2: Whatever it is. What do you think is the characteristics
Speaker 2: of a good defensive end?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 4: I think you know the characteristics you gotta have, like
Speaker 4: you talked about, is having that dog mentality. I think
Speaker 4: that's what separates, you know, the good players and the
Speaker 4: great players. And like you said, you can go to
Speaker 4: an NFL combine, guys can run a four to four
Speaker 4: look like the biggest Leonidas on the planet.
Speaker 3: But once you put pads on, you're like, like, what
Speaker 3: the is this? You know? Sorry, yeah, you can't bro
Speaker 3: like yeah, but like you see it all the.
Speaker 1: Time, like Tarzan, but he played like Jane like that's
Speaker 1: a real that's a real silicon because you be like, bro,
Speaker 1: he looked, he looked like he major and get it
Speaker 1: there be mad.
Speaker 2: He'll be like that don't make no sense.
Speaker 4: It doesn't make sense. But that's what you know when
Speaker 4: you talk about mentality. They got to have that dog
Speaker 4: in them, Like that's something you can't determine by looking
Speaker 4: at somebody at a combine Like that really comes from
Speaker 4: watching the film on somebody. I feel like that's the
Speaker 4: most important thing. You got to watch film and see
Speaker 4: who's willing to put their nose in it, you know,
Speaker 4: and freaking go ahead, you know it's bull rush, have
Speaker 4: all the mixture of combinations, but be relentless at the
Speaker 4: same time chasing the ball, flying to the ball. I
Speaker 4: think the things that require no talent or the most
Speaker 4: important thing to play the edge position, the.
Speaker 3: Other shit on top of it.
Speaker 4: Obviously, we're all NFL players, so you got to have
Speaker 4: the ability to rush and bend and do all those things.
Speaker 4: But I think the most important thing is just having
Speaker 4: that relentless you know, I'm not gonna stop nobody's gonna outplay,
Speaker 4: you know, outwork me during the game. I think that's
Speaker 4: what you know, separates, you know, the great players from
Speaker 4: the good ones.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: Facts.
Speaker 1: Do you think sometimes like the way I talk crap
Speaker 1: on like y'all you know I talk crap the way
Speaker 1: you talk crap on the field, The passion, the love
Speaker 1: that we have for the game, Like it feels like
Speaker 1: when we win, like that's how you're supposed to play
Speaker 1: the game. But when we lose, like that's when you
Speaker 1: feel like media sort of like the attack you like,
Speaker 1: oh you have to be that Like what do you me?
Speaker 2: Like, this is who I am as a monster bro?
Speaker 1: Like, do you feel like sometimes your passion as a
Speaker 1: competitor gets misconstrued by other people?
Speaker 3: Yeah, let that affect you. No, I don't let it
Speaker 3: affect me. I'm always gonna be me. You know.
Speaker 4: I definitely take some you know, I feel like more
Speaker 4: recently in the past year, I've taken a lot of
Speaker 4: heat just from like you know, they released the quarterback
Speaker 4: thing where they see me like going after my homes
Speaker 4: and talking messing with them and like.
Speaker 3: Everyone's like, oh my god, he's an asshole.
Speaker 4: He's a jerk, and then they see me, like they
Speaker 4: released a micd up and I was like, I took
Speaker 4: our tight end like twenty yards off the ball and
Speaker 4: just body slammed them just to set the tone. And
Speaker 4: like they're like this dude's an asshole, But like I
Speaker 4: love that because that's who I am. Like it's not
Speaker 4: they're just getting to see it now, but like that's
Speaker 4: who I am as a player. My mentality is like
Speaker 4: I don't care who's in front of me. I'm gonna talk.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna try to get in their head and I'm
Speaker 4: gonna try to make them feel less than what they are.
Speaker 4: You know, they might be a good player, I want
Speaker 4: to make them feel average. So that's what I started
Speaker 4: to play to play basis. So if they don't like it,
Speaker 4: that's not my problem, right.
Speaker 1: Somebody brought that up to late Is Max like that.
Speaker 1: I was like Max, Dude, I was like, yeah, he
Speaker 1: supposed to be like that, Like what do you What
Speaker 1: do you want me to do? You want me to
Speaker 1: be like.
Speaker 2: The Andrew luck of a defensive end, Like.
Speaker 3: He's just like, hey, i'll see you next time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I can't do that, bro, I'm gonna be one
Speaker 4: hundred percent me if you don't like it, you don't
Speaker 4: like it. But the people that love me, they love
Speaker 4: me for that. So it's like that love me, you know,
Speaker 4: that's all that matters to me.
Speaker 2: I don't get it.
Speaker 1: You think we're all friends, Like I'm not supposed to
Speaker 1: Like the officer lineman I'm going against.
Speaker 2: I think he's that slow, and I think he can't
Speaker 2: mess with me.
Speaker 1: That's the reason why I'm on the edge. And he's
Speaker 1: he's in his position that he's in. He's like he's
Speaker 1: a kid that grew up eating Hella candy and snacks
Speaker 1: at middle of the night, played Fortnite duty, you know.
Speaker 3: You know, drinking a coke, sitting.
Speaker 1: There absolutely and he says and he says things like
Speaker 1: I'm athletic, are you? Because you're the only one telling
Speaker 1: yourself that you're athletic, you know, Like you're not supposed
Speaker 1: to be friends, bro, Like, I don't get it. Like,
Speaker 1: you know, when we talked to Vaughan this past year
Speaker 1: and Bonn was like, man, you know, I like to
Speaker 1: I like to get to know him, the officer the line,
Speaker 1: and I'll be going against a guy and I'll be like, hey, man,
Speaker 1: how's your date?
Speaker 2: Oh man? Man, I saw you had kids. How's your kids? Man,
Speaker 2: I ain't never asked none of that.
Speaker 4: See for me, No, that's funny you say that because
Speaker 4: like there's like majority of the time like I'm gonna
Speaker 4: be on that with whoever it is, like just to
Speaker 4: get myself going, like there's some guy like I feel
Speaker 4: like it's different, you know when it comes to the
Speaker 4: old lineman, Like there's some old lineman who like even
Speaker 4: a Garret Bowles for instance, Like my first couple of
Speaker 4: years in the league, like me and him a match
Speaker 4: up twice a year, and like we were going like
Speaker 4: we were damn near fighting every play and we're talking
Speaker 4: and going at it, going at it.
Speaker 3: And then like by the end of.
Speaker 4: My second year, we played each other for like the
Speaker 4: fourth time, and he started walking across the field like
Speaker 4: we were getting personal, like this was going there. I'm like,
Speaker 4: all right, I'm ready to fight. I already know what
Speaker 4: it is about to be. And he walked up to
Speaker 4: me and I'm like this after the game, we're fighting
Speaker 4: right now. And he's like, Bro, I love you.
Speaker 3: Bro.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna just say that, like I respect the guy
Speaker 4: to you. He was like at the end of the day,
Speaker 4: he was like, you're you bring it more than anybody.
Speaker 4: Like he just had a lot of good shit to say, bro,
Speaker 4: But like that's for me, that was the cool ast moment.
Speaker 4: So like every time I see him now like he
Speaker 4: did sees me, he's like, love you, bro, and then
Speaker 4: it's I mean it's like so like yeah, so every
Speaker 4: you know, every situation is different, and uh, you know
Speaker 4: it is what it is. But for me, like I'm
Speaker 4: always trying to find that edge, whether it's you know,
Speaker 4: talking or whatever I gotta do to get that man.
Speaker 1: I mean, but that competitive that's what makes you like great.
Speaker 1: Like I don't, like I said, I don't want to
Speaker 1: like you. I don't want to I can like you
Speaker 1: outside the lines. In between these lines, you are an obstacle,
Speaker 1: your speed bump, your literally your job is literally to
Speaker 1: stop me from getting to where I'm trying to go. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like if you if I'm trying to get out the
Speaker 1: gated community, guess I get to get out to get
Speaker 1: out of there, like the speed bump, and guess what
Speaker 1: that off my names, that's speed bump. So hey, man,
Speaker 1: break the thing now. Man, I'm trying to get in there, bro.
Speaker 1: But but that's what it sort of takes for me
Speaker 1: to get to the process. For you, you bro, you
Speaker 1: worked all the way through. So the leadership that you
Speaker 1: have now the locker rooms in a good place between
Speaker 1: you guys like Davante Adams.
Speaker 2: Tell me that leadership process, especially for a guy like.
Speaker 1: You know, Davonte who had to come in and be
Speaker 1: cultivated to the to the Raiders style of play or
Speaker 1: bring his culture on to you. That leadership between you
Speaker 1: and him, because I see it on the field. I
Speaker 1: see he chirps, you chirp your defense, your office response.
Speaker 1: When you guys like talking like that. Leadership qualities that
Speaker 1: you guys have to me, tell me a little bit
Speaker 1: about that in locker room.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no doubt. You know, uh, you know, you nail
Speaker 3: the raid on the head.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: DeVante he's you know, he's like, I think this is
Speaker 4: tenth year.
Speaker 3: You know, he's close to you.
Speaker 4: He's been in the league for a long time now,
Speaker 4: and he the dude is elite at what he does.
Speaker 4: And at the same time, he brings that energy no
Speaker 4: matter if his practice or game day, and he's always
Speaker 4: doing extra. So when you have a guy that's the first,
Speaker 4: you know, three years in a row First Seam all
Speaker 4: Pro and he's also one of your artist workers. Like
Speaker 4: there's nothing you could say, so, like, guys are going
Speaker 4: to naturally follow. And that's why I work the way
Speaker 4: I work, you know what I mean. I'm always I'm
Speaker 4: staying on guy's ass, especially the young guys. Like I
Speaker 4: make people uncomfortable sometimes and I try to push them
Speaker 4: out of their comfort zone. But like for me, you know,
Speaker 4: I've it's taking years to earn that right and like
Speaker 4: for not you know, now, that's what leaderships all about.
Speaker 4: It is, I want to bring the guys with me.
Speaker 4: I want them you know, they might not get up
Speaker 4: to my level right out the gate, but it's gonna
Speaker 4: take time. And if they can go from here to here,
Speaker 4: then I've done my job. And if I can bring
Speaker 4: all the guys with me, that's that's what.
Speaker 3: I can do.
Speaker 4: So like that's how I push it, bro, Like, yeah,
Speaker 4: I just want to make you know, everybody's different, you know.
Speaker 3: And I learned this from coach Marionelli too.
Speaker 4: He told me, He's like, you know, what makes a
Speaker 4: coach great is uh, you know, being able to adapt
Speaker 4: to all your different players because certain you know, every
Speaker 4: guy's different. Certain players tick a certain way. Some guys,
Speaker 4: you know, need to get mother sometimes and that's how
Speaker 4: they get going. And some guys you got to be
Speaker 4: nice to them and then that's so it's like I
Speaker 4: try to learn and really know who my guys are
Speaker 4: as people, and we do d line dinners every week,
Speaker 4: Like they'll come to the house, I'll have chefs come
Speaker 4: and we'll you know, just kick it and like do
Speaker 4: stuff like that so I can really learn who the
Speaker 4: person is. Because you can't go and mother somebody and
Speaker 4: you don't even know what their child's name is. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that's that's a problem. Like you, I don't want to
Speaker 4: you know, I'm not going to listen to that. But
Speaker 4: if I have a real relationship with them, then you know, then.
Speaker 2: There's a reason.
Speaker 1: Like he's receptive because it's like, Bro, he cares about
Speaker 1: me as person and he wants me to be the best.
Speaker 2: Version of me.
Speaker 3: And that's that's how I lead. And our locker rooms great. Bro.
Speaker 4: I love the guys and we have a lot of
Speaker 4: good people and a lot of hard workers.
Speaker 3: So yeah, we just got to you.
Speaker 4: Know, keep rolling and get this thing on board.
Speaker 1: When it comes down to it, clearly you've earned the love, respect,
Speaker 1: and accolades that you've gotten and earned it each and
Speaker 1: every step of the way. Bro, the way you play
Speaker 1: has been phenomenal, the way you get out the stacks,
Speaker 1: and like, I'll be like, yo that you have to
Speaker 1: get out the stacks. I'm like, Bro, you think you
Speaker 1: could be all prob without getting out the stacks. But Bro,
Speaker 1: you watch you watch Max. He's mad Max on Sundays,
Speaker 1: He's going crazy. You're chasing things down, You're running things down.
Speaker 1: And now we got your former quarterback, Derek Carr. He
Speaker 1: talks so highly of you. He's like, Bro, you might
Speaker 1: be the only person that runs just as much as
Speaker 1: as Max does after practices or whatever. It is like, Bro,
Speaker 1: I always see running, He's always running. I'm like absolutely.
Speaker 1: I was like, dude's a doll for a reason. He
Speaker 1: earns it. But that being said, Bro, it's also put
Speaker 1: you in a spot to what were you this year
Speaker 1: on ESPN seventeen?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Seven?
Speaker 1: Does that motivate you at all? Does that affect you
Speaker 1: at all? Like for me, I'll be like, bro, it's
Speaker 1: just another year. Like there's years when I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I know I'm top twenty and been number ninety nine,
Speaker 1: and there's years that I've all right, like I probably
Speaker 1: saw that might be bottom fifty this year and been
Speaker 1: as high as like thirty something.
Speaker 2: It just depends. But does it affect you or motivate you?
Speaker 3: Honestly, it motivates me.
Speaker 4: Like for me, I don't like having anybody have anything
Speaker 4: like over me if I you know what I mean,
Speaker 4: if I'm first impressors and first and TFLs and like
Speaker 4: there's always going to be something that I'm trying to
Speaker 4: find that somebody has over me, and like that's it
Speaker 4: will bother me until I get back out there and
Speaker 4: try to get closer to that. So like I use
Speaker 4: things like that as motivation, you know, more than anything.
Speaker 4: And like that's just like how my mind works. I'm
Speaker 4: ultracompetitive no matter what I'm doing, and like, yeah, I
Speaker 4: want to be the number one player, Like I was
Speaker 4: ranked seventeenth, you know, by my peers as a player
Speaker 4: in the NFL. Like just thinking about that, you know,
Speaker 4: five years ago, if you'd have told me I'm in
Speaker 4: the top twenty like in the league and that's in
Speaker 4: the world, Like that's crazy.
Speaker 3: But at the end of the.
Speaker 4: Day, like now where I'm at, like there's always more,
Speaker 4: And like I got that from coach Marinelli, Like he
Speaker 4: texted me damn near every single day to this day.
Speaker 4: And he's retired seventy five years old. I don't know
Speaker 4: what the hell he's doing in his lab, but he's
Speaker 4: he always text me it's more and improved. Like those
Speaker 4: are the two words he always is preaching to me.
Speaker 4: He's like, there's always more to do and there's always
Speaker 4: room for improvement, and like you have to find what
Speaker 4: that is every single day.
Speaker 3: So like for me, that's how my brain works.
Speaker 4: Like I could have a good game, i could have
Speaker 4: a bad game, but like I'm always going to find
Speaker 4: the things I got to get better at and apply
Speaker 4: that into my practice and preparacing the next week.
Speaker 3: So that's what I feel like.
Speaker 4: The consistency part is like so big for me, and
Speaker 4: what's taking my game to the next level is like
Speaker 4: never getting content or too high or too low. It's like,
Speaker 4: all right, I'm gonna stay right here, even keeled, and
Speaker 4: just build off of it every single week. And that's
Speaker 4: how you put together a great season, is not you know,
Speaker 4: riding the roller coaster. You just gotta you know, let
Speaker 4: the certain things you know how you know how you tick?
Speaker 4: You know I know how I tack, you know how
Speaker 4: you take it? Like for me, I'm gonna find that
Speaker 4: and use it for a positive.
Speaker 1: That mentality has changed, bro, even in the last what
Speaker 1: five years ago you were a rookie to now Bro, Yeah,
Speaker 1: there was that like two or three years ago when
Speaker 1: you were like, Bro, like I'm getting all these pressures,
Speaker 1: but I'm like, the sacks aren't where they supposed to be.
Speaker 3: And we talked about it.
Speaker 2: You're like, Bro, like like how do I was like, Bro,
Speaker 2: what do you like?
Speaker 1: It all comes around, Bro, If you're getting pressures, that
Speaker 1: means you' getting closer as long as you as long
Speaker 1: as I don't even remember the whole conversation, I was like, Bro,
Speaker 1: as long as you're hunting, Like eventually, if you keep
Speaker 1: stabbing at it, you're going to draw blood.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You took off after that, Bro, But like, does that
Speaker 1: that competitive edge you have, that chippy wheel? Does that
Speaker 1: also come from not saying smaller school, but like you
Speaker 1: going in the you know, middle of the draft, that
Speaker 1: that fourth round draft pick? Is that an extra added
Speaker 1: mentality from like I didn't come from nothing, but like
Speaker 1: they didn't they didn't respect me the way they were
Speaker 1: supposed to.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I always I've always felt like I've
Speaker 4: been slept on, and I feel like I've always had
Speaker 4: to go above and beyond to like prove my worth.
Speaker 4: I know, it's a part of my journey, you know,
Speaker 4: like being you know, I've been with the Raiders. You know,
Speaker 4: we've had you know, three out of four years they
Speaker 4: have made the playoffs, and it's been a struggle. Like
Speaker 4: I was a fourth round pick, I had one offer
Speaker 4: coming out of high school. Like I've always had to
Speaker 4: go above and beyond and do what I do. But
Speaker 4: it's like that's what makes me who I am, and
Speaker 4: like I love it. I wouldn't change it for anything.
Speaker 4: And like it is hard because I feel like, you know,
Speaker 4: I don't always have the greatest, you know.
Speaker 3: Deck of cards.
Speaker 4: But at the end of the day, that's what makes
Speaker 4: me who I am because I've always found a way,
Speaker 4: Like I've never I never quit, Like no matter if
Speaker 4: I start something, I'm gonna finish it. And that's how
Speaker 4: I approach every single day. So like I love when
Speaker 4: people doubt me. I love and they tell me, oh,
Speaker 4: he's not like even last year, like I thought I
Speaker 4: should have been an All Pro. Like that's I thought about
Speaker 4: that all year and like you know when he played
Speaker 4: lineman and like you have a good game and they'll
Speaker 4: come out and be like, oh he got locked up,
Speaker 4: he didn't get a sack, blah blah blah blah blah,
Speaker 4: and then they'll show too clips and you're getting blocked
Speaker 4: and like you kill them the rest of the time. Like, Bro,
Speaker 4: that's sit mind. Like I don't want anybody to have
Speaker 4: anything or anything. So like that's what it is for me. Bro,
Speaker 4: It's every single day, like I'm just I'm just competitive shit,
Speaker 4: Like it don't matter if I'm playing two k, if
Speaker 4: I'm hanging in the back talking with the guys, like
Speaker 4: it doesn't matter. I don't want anybody to have anything
Speaker 4: over me. And like that's that's what pushed me every
Speaker 4: single day.
Speaker 1: That's that's that one when you go gets office a
Speaker 1: lineman and you've beating him outside inside, through and you're
Speaker 1: coming right there at the quarterback. Bro, Like I'm like
Speaker 1: there was there was times this last two games I'm
Speaker 1: just like literally filling the lace on the ball and
Speaker 1: being launched and I'm like, oh, the techle played good
Speaker 1: against you. Yeah, you're like, you're like, bro, like it
Speaker 1: was me, Like I didn't get there, but you know
Speaker 1: that's on me, it's not him. He didn't stop me
Speaker 1: either way. It was a quick, quick release whatever it was. Like,
Speaker 1: But do you think some of that is like instinct
Speaker 1: verse technique? Like yo, like you when you're looking at
Speaker 1: your film for your spin move in that quarterback stepping
Speaker 1: up and you have a hand on the shoulder and
Speaker 1: he slips out of there. I know you've talked about
Speaker 1: stretch of flexibility, grip strength, Like what what do you
Speaker 1: think it is to finish in those plays?
Speaker 3: I think it's a combination.
Speaker 4: You know, you gotta have, Like I think that's you know,
Speaker 4: differs between a pressure, like you can get pressures. You
Speaker 4: know they count hurries and you know president they're all combined.
Speaker 4: So like, yeah, if the ball's gone in two seconds
Speaker 4: and you're beating them in one and a half, like
Speaker 4: you can't do anything about that, but you're winning the rush,
Speaker 4: Like that's what it really comes down to. If you're
Speaker 4: winning a high percentage of rushes and you have natural
Speaker 4: football instincts, you're reading your keys, you're playing with pad
Speaker 4: level you're working that you work in practice, like the
Speaker 4: guys that me and you like, Bro, we've been pro bowlers.
Speaker 4: Like we trust our moves and we think we know
Speaker 4: they're gonna work if we trust them and do them
Speaker 4: the right way, and our pad levels right and our
Speaker 4: eyes are right and our cell is right, like all
Speaker 4: that matters. So like for me going into the game,
Speaker 4: I'm trusting that process, like I'm gonna break down the film.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna see what I can do better from the
Speaker 4: week before, and like I'm gonna start looking at my opponent.
Speaker 3: How can I beat this guy? How can I dissect them?
Speaker 4: And like for me, it's not just like you know
Speaker 4: when you talk about like finishing, that's finishing. Just you know,
Speaker 4: every little detail matters. And like I talk about from
Speaker 4: practice to the weight room, like the grip strength thing,
Speaker 4: like I do grip after every workout now, like I've
Speaker 4: done it for years now, just because that extra grab
Speaker 4: and like.
Speaker 3: Wait, which which one?
Speaker 2: Which one do you do? Do you have?
Speaker 1: Do you have like the hand machines or do you
Speaker 1: like I do my grip strength where like I hold
Speaker 1: I hold the forty five pounds?
Speaker 3: What is it?
Speaker 1: Twenty two kilo weights and I do that for time
Speaker 1: or then, like I started a couple of years ago,
Speaker 1: our d line coach introduced like flipping these things. Now
Speaker 1: I'm like flipping and catching, like I'm like on a Thursday,
Speaker 1: I'm like flipping.
Speaker 2: Catching these forty five pound weights.
Speaker 1: Just like in those weeks that you don't have you
Speaker 1: be like, all right, all right, what's because I do
Speaker 1: have my finger? Not an excuse, but like gotta go,
Speaker 1: just back to hole.
Speaker 2: What would be your favorite grip strength exercise?
Speaker 3: Would you say?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would say my favorite, Like we do a
Speaker 4: ton ton of different ones, Like today we had like
Speaker 4: the fat grippers on, which are hard as hell, and
Speaker 4: you deal with kettlebells and like you can't fully grip
Speaker 4: and you're just shaking.
Speaker 2: I don't know about this. What do you wait? Wait, explain,
Speaker 2: I got you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is different.
Speaker 2: But I was kettle with like thirty five forty pounds.
Speaker 4: No, you get like it's sixty I'll say sixty pounds kettlebell.
Speaker 4: You do like you do like sessions, so you do
Speaker 4: like thirty seconds with it with it and then twenty
Speaker 4: seconds with a heavier weight, and then you do like
Speaker 4: towel holes, so you wrap it around the kettlebell and
Speaker 4: you hold with the towel and it's heavy, Like.
Speaker 3: Bro, I got it. I got some for You'll say.
Speaker 4: Bro, my god, I'm wanting to learn. I like, I'm
Speaker 4: telling you Rick Slate my guy in here in the train.
Speaker 4: He's one of my He's like the main guy works
Speaker 4: out with me. He's my puts me through every workout.
Speaker 3: That dude, don't you don't start working out, bro, he's
Speaker 3: an og. Bro, he's an og and he gets the right.
Speaker 2: You're going through prison workouts, yall workouts?
Speaker 3: What he has me screaming, like cussing him out. I'm
Speaker 3: so mad. It hurts so bad, but it pays off
Speaker 3: in the end.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie, bro, Like you surprised me. What
Speaker 2: was that this pass Pro Bowl?
Speaker 1: We were talking like, Bro, I'm working out here every
Speaker 1: day still, like like there is no shut down for
Speaker 1: me in the off season.
Speaker 2: Is there a shutdown period? When do you recoup the bod?
Speaker 1: Like for me, I have to like I gotta get
Speaker 1: away fam like I disappear for like.
Speaker 3: A like yeah, no work it out, no Rarnie, like.
Speaker 2: I gotta eat, love my family love me.
Speaker 1: We're not in football season. I'm not necessarily like the greatest.
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm the greatest dad, husband, brother, anything.
Speaker 1: I'm like, Yo, it's Thursday, so Thursday through Sunday, I'm
Speaker 1: locking the hell in, Like I don't even like to
Speaker 1: do media by Wednesday is Friday, Like, don't ask me.
Speaker 2: Saturday, I am so locked in. I'm like, I got
Speaker 2: things I have to do on Sunday. I'm not a
Speaker 2: good person. Sunday I'm coming with bad intentions.
Speaker 1: When do you get away and become you know, like daddy, Max,
Speaker 1: thank you, gotta love you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, honestly, bro, Like this was after my third
Speaker 4: year and fourth year. Like I know, it was after
Speaker 4: my second year and third year. I would start after
Speaker 4: the Super Bowl That's when I would start training. And
Speaker 4: this year, you know, we didn't make the playoffs, and
Speaker 4: you know, I talked to my strength coach, I talked
Speaker 4: to my nutrition's all this, and he was like, hey,
Speaker 4: we're gonna start January thirtieth this year, and this is
Speaker 4: why we're going to ease, you know, ease into the process.
Speaker 3: Boo boom, boom boom. He broke it down to me.
Speaker 4: You know, I have a team of people that all,
Speaker 4: you know, collaborate and communicate here with the Raiders.
Speaker 3: So it was great, and I started.
Speaker 2: To hear your own team of people.
Speaker 3: Hey I'm here. I'm here by myself. You know what
Speaker 3: I mean.
Speaker 4: When you when you hear about yourself, you get everybody,
Speaker 4: you get all the resources. So yeah, you know, we
Speaker 4: started January thirtieth, and so yeah, I took like two
Speaker 4: and a half weeks off and I was back rolling,
Speaker 4: but I was still meal prepping even after the season,
Speaker 4: and like, I always want to stay in shape. And
Speaker 4: no matter what I hate, there's nothing worse than going
Speaker 4: and put eating like sh for two weeks and you
Speaker 4: have to drop weight and then you're just wasting weeks
Speaker 4: of work. And you know time you can improved by
Speaker 4: trying to cut weight and then get back into shape.
Speaker 4: So like, for me, I want to be in shape
Speaker 4: all year round. So like that's how that's how it
Speaker 4: is for me. It's really it's really all year round.
Speaker 2: Man, I said, that's what it takes.
Speaker 4: Bro.
Speaker 1: Like if that's if that's what Joe vibe is, that's
Speaker 1: crazy work to me because I'm like, yo, I gotta
Speaker 1: get away, like I'm eating, I'm eating.
Speaker 2: Like that little facire, bro, like I got.
Speaker 3: To eat well, We'll say well and come back.
Speaker 4: I'm like every week I'm eating good in the off season,
Speaker 4: I will say that my Saturdays, I'm getting my cheat meal,
Speaker 4: I'm getting Chipotle for lunch. I'm gonna eat something for dinner.
Speaker 4: But like, besides that, you know that.
Speaker 1: One day a week cheating no, no off season like
Speaker 1: a month, maam, Like you know you know this off
Speaker 1: seat I went to. I went to Spain for two
Speaker 1: and a half months. Oh, I start working out tonight
Speaker 1: like last month and a half. That first month I
Speaker 1: was there.
Speaker 2: I needed all of it.
Speaker 1: You know, big, I bet a harmon, the big big steaks.
Speaker 1: What I need all of it. I was like, yo,
Speaker 1: run that twice. My kids are looking at me like
Speaker 1: Daddy's fluffy.
Speaker 3: Yeah he is, damn right, man.
Speaker 2: I worked hard to be fluffy. And then I'm gonna
Speaker 2: get back right.
Speaker 1: All right, three quick questions I get you out of here, bro,
Speaker 1: I said, twenty five minutes.
Speaker 2: He gone over twenty five minutes. Yeah, hey, bro, what's
Speaker 2: your favorite cheapt meal?
Speaker 3: Favorite cheat meal?
Speaker 2: Don't tell me you what Chipotle got?
Speaker 4: Come on, come on, I was gonna see that's just
Speaker 4: so easy for me to say it, but I would
Speaker 4: say this and like this is my prison, like if
Speaker 4: I was in prison, Like they're like you have one
Speaker 4: meal left. I'm getting chicken, Fried's, steagle, mashed potatoes, cream cord, gravy,
Speaker 4: all that.
Speaker 3: Like straight murders, murders.
Speaker 2: Favor favorite other edge rusher, edge rusher to watch.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say.
Speaker 2: That, there's a lot of them.
Speaker 3: That's what I say.
Speaker 2: Take take, take Jordans.
Speaker 1: And you you're going t j okay, okay, to a
Speaker 1: little what all right?
Speaker 2: And then now I'm not gonna do this to you.
Speaker 3: Favorite teammate, favorite teammate. I got a lot.
Speaker 4: I love them all, but I'm gonna have to say.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say Devanteta my guy. We're like that's my brother.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, last last question. Favorite tattoo. When you're done,
Speaker 2: favorite tattoo.
Speaker 3: You got this.
Speaker 2: When I first met you, you had a little bit. Now
Speaker 2: you've got this.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna say, my daughter. I got my daughter right here.
Speaker 4: So yeah, holding down for Ella, no question.
Speaker 1: Absolutely appreciate you, bro, You you you monster bro. You
Speaker 1: becoming a legend of the game, and like, keep on pushing,
Speaker 1: keep on pressing. I appreciate you tapping in with me, Broth.
Speaker 1: We'll text later, Bro, but I appreciate you for getting that.
Speaker 3: Appreciate you, Bro, your legend.
Speaker 2: So there you have it. It's a wrap.
Speaker 1: I just want to say a huge thank you to
Speaker 1: all my awesome listeners for rocking with me. I've got
Speaker 1: a whole locker room full of my favorite interviews from
Speaker 1: season one coming your way.
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