WEBVTT - Paul Goydos 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:00.760 I miss the green. 0:00:00.840 --> 0:00:03.480 For example, I'm already upset. When I find my ball 0:00:03.520 --> 0:00:05.720 in the bunker, I'm really upset. And when I find 0:00:05.760 --> 0:00:08.360 my ball in a fried egg Friday Egg, the dreaded 0:00:08.440 --> 0:00:12.600 Frida Egg, Friday Friday Bride Egg, Lie, I'm about ready 0:00:12.680 --> 0:00:41.159 to run off of the course. Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome 0:00:41.200 --> 0:00:44.400 back to another edition of the Friday Egg Podcast. Today, 0:00:44.560 --> 0:00:49.680 I'm joined by PGA Tour Champions Star and former PGA 0:00:49.800 --> 0:00:53.680 Tour winner Paul Paul. Thanks for coming on. 0:00:55.120 --> 0:00:58.480 Good Thanks. Star kind of caught me off guard, but 0:00:59.480 --> 0:01:02.360 Journeyman been more the title, but I'll pick Star for 0:01:02.440 --> 0:01:02.800 this time. 0:01:03.160 --> 0:01:05.240 Hey, you got some wins on the Champions Store. 0:01:06.319 --> 0:01:07.760 I do have a I do have a couple. 0:01:07.880 --> 0:01:10.920 Yeah, you know, former assistant Ryder Cup Captain. They don't 0:01:10.959 --> 0:01:12.320 they don't give that out to anyway. 0:01:14.120 --> 0:01:16.120 Well, you know, I can base the argument that the 0:01:16.160 --> 0:01:19.720 fact that I was an assistant Ryder company belies that argument. 0:01:19.800 --> 0:01:23.240 But yeah, yeah, Corey saw something that nobody else saw 0:01:24.840 --> 0:01:26.119 that was quite the experience. 0:01:28.440 --> 0:01:31.200 So to kick things off, I think you're you're most 0:01:31.280 --> 0:01:34.399 known for your fifty nine and I'm I want to 0:01:34.440 --> 0:01:38.039 know about what went on, you know, the night before 0:01:38.280 --> 0:01:40.959 the preceedings to the fifty nine. You know, was there 0:01:40.959 --> 0:01:44.520 anything that was different than a usual you know night 0:01:44.560 --> 0:01:45.360 before a tournament. 0:01:46.520 --> 0:01:49.200 No, not really, And i'd really been actually been struggling 0:01:49.200 --> 0:01:53.240 a little bit. I think I'd missed three cuts in 0:01:53.240 --> 0:01:57.880 a row prior to and you know, it was going 0:01:57.880 --> 0:02:00.720 through my usual prep that week and then Wednesday in 0:02:00.800 --> 0:02:04.360 the program on on Wednesday morning, and as soon as 0:02:04.360 --> 0:02:07.560 we got done, you know, the skies opened up, and 0:02:08.360 --> 0:02:10.000 I mean it rained so hard. I remember I was 0:02:10.000 --> 0:02:11.959 trying to go to the I think I was trying 0:02:12.000 --> 0:02:13.120 to go to a store and you could get out 0:02:13.120 --> 0:02:16.760 of your car because it was flooding everything. And so, 0:02:16.919 --> 0:02:19.359 you know, normally you'd be practicing Wednesday afternoon. That was 0:02:19.400 --> 0:02:20.720 a Wednesday. I knew he just kind of watched it 0:02:20.720 --> 0:02:24.000 at the hotel and watched it rain, which obviously led 0:02:24.040 --> 0:02:28.800 to little easier scoring conditions the next day. But no, nothing, nothing. 0:02:28.880 --> 0:02:30.360 I had no expectations. Zero. 0:02:30.840 --> 0:02:37.040 Yeah, it's Golf's the funny game. And uh I remember 0:02:37.120 --> 0:02:39.519 David Devall saying that he like never hit balls a 0:02:39.560 --> 0:02:42.160 lot because when he was struggling, he didn't want to 0:02:42.240 --> 0:02:45.360 hit balls, and when he was hitting it good, he 0:02:45.400 --> 0:02:49.680 didn't want to hit balls to, you know, lose rhythm. 0:02:49.960 --> 0:02:52.600 Was that the type of yeah, I don't. 0:02:52.639 --> 0:02:54.959 I tend to I have, you know, if I'm really 0:02:55.000 --> 0:02:57.400 struggling sometimes look at my Caddy will talk about going 0:02:57.400 --> 0:02:59.639 to the range and having to purge and just trying 0:02:59.639 --> 0:03:04.040 to get all bet swings out. But I do think 0:03:04.080 --> 0:03:07.040 there's you know it. I tend to try to do 0:03:07.080 --> 0:03:09.400 a lot of reflection, so I think, you know, some 0:03:09.480 --> 0:03:11.360 of the best practice that get done is kind of 0:03:11.560 --> 0:03:14.760 sitting down, like I said, like that Wednesday or it rained, 0:03:14.800 --> 0:03:16.400 and you can kind of think, hey, I've been struggling, 0:03:16.400 --> 0:03:20.720 why I've been struggling, And sometimes you know that self 0:03:20.720 --> 0:03:23.639 analysis is an important part of it, and I tend 0:03:23.680 --> 0:03:26.040 to do that a lot too. Having said that, there 0:03:26.080 --> 0:03:27.960 are times when you just feel lost, and there are 0:03:28.120 --> 0:03:29.480 plenty of times in the range where I've hit it 0:03:29.480 --> 0:03:31.360 that and just said, you know what, I don't need 0:03:31.360 --> 0:03:33.440 to hit it. I don't. I'm gonna go practice something else. 0:03:33.520 --> 0:03:36.280 This is awful or even putty it kept on. You 0:03:36.720 --> 0:03:38.280 throw down a ball at four feet and try to 0:03:38.280 --> 0:03:39.840 make ten in a row, and you can't make one 0:03:39.840 --> 0:03:42.320 in a row, and you you know, sometimes the best 0:03:42.320 --> 0:03:45.480 thing you can do is just you know, hey, today's 0:03:45.520 --> 0:03:46.880 not your day, Tomorrow's another day. 0:03:47.840 --> 0:03:50.600 Yeah, I think everybody's been there with like the shot cut. 0:03:50.800 --> 0:03:53.200 It happens, Yeah, it happens. You know, your linement gets 0:03:53.200 --> 0:03:56.000 a little squirrely and something something's just not registering for 0:03:56.080 --> 0:03:58.840 whatever reason. Maybe you you know, you sat, you slept 0:03:58.840 --> 0:04:00.960 funny that night, and you're hips get a little owl. 0:04:01.040 --> 0:04:04.080 Who knows. So there are there are things that happen 0:04:04.160 --> 0:04:08.360 in our sport, and sometimes we tend to especially younger guys. 0:04:08.360 --> 0:04:10.920 I knows, I've gotten older hopefully experience sometimes you can 0:04:11.240 --> 0:04:13.480 you can't kind of practice yourself into a funk, and 0:04:13.520 --> 0:04:15.440 sometimes you just need to say, step step back, take 0:04:15.480 --> 0:04:17.400 a look, take a breath, and say to level their day, 0:04:17.400 --> 0:04:18.160 we'll go back to work. 0:04:19.400 --> 0:04:23.240 So as your perspective on just the game. And you know, 0:04:23.320 --> 0:04:26.320 getting ready for tournaments changed a lot over your career. 0:04:28.560 --> 0:04:32.280 Yeah, again that goes back to experience. I'll never forget. 0:04:33.400 --> 0:04:35.560 I was, I don't know, middle of my career playing 0:04:35.600 --> 0:04:40.080 Hartford and i'd had a really good tuesday. I played 0:04:40.080 --> 0:04:43.200 a practice round and really really had a good couple 0:04:43.279 --> 0:04:44.760 you know, went to the range and really hit the ball, 0:04:44.800 --> 0:04:47.479 really really happened with everything. You know, went to the 0:04:47.560 --> 0:04:49.719 chipping you work on a short day and chipping everything in. 0:04:49.800 --> 0:04:51.560 I went to the putting rain and making thirty footers. 0:04:51.600 --> 0:04:54.719 I remember talking to John Wood, who's a caddie out there. 0:04:54.720 --> 0:04:59.120 I think he's working for Matt Kotcher now and going 0:04:59.200 --> 0:05:01.320 then you know, hey, this has been kind of you know, 0:05:01.440 --> 0:05:02.880 I can't I don't know what to practice now, I'm 0:05:02.880 --> 0:05:04.960 making everything, I'm chipping in and I'm picnic good, and 0:05:04.960 --> 0:05:08.359 he goes, let's just go home. Yeah, you've done, You're good. 0:05:08.680 --> 0:05:11.600 And then again the same thing happened. I was at 0:05:11.600 --> 0:05:14.200 the prime got ready down, so I actually took thirty 0:05:14.240 --> 0:05:15.960 six hours, didn't touch a club, went out a shot, 0:05:16.000 --> 0:05:17.880 out't know ten or eleven under for the first two days. 0:05:17.880 --> 0:05:21.520 And it's kind of funny how this concept of of 0:05:21.600 --> 0:05:25.080 over practicing. I have five hours of daylight. I need 0:05:25.120 --> 0:05:27.719 to use that. And sometimes, as a younger player get 0:05:27.720 --> 0:05:30.320 caught into this. I need to I need to work, 0:05:30.360 --> 0:05:32.279 and sometimes the best thing you can do is say, hey, 0:05:32.279 --> 0:05:34.359 things are good, let's go relax and get ready. 0:05:34.960 --> 0:05:37.960 H I think I find that in my older age. 0:05:38.279 --> 0:05:42.520 You know, I played amateur stuff, but I've as I've 0:05:42.520 --> 0:05:45.400 gotten older, I practiced way, way, way less, and it 0:05:46.160 --> 0:05:49.039 seems like I almost better than I was when I 0:05:49.120 --> 0:05:50.800 practice all the time outside of it. 0:05:50.839 --> 0:05:52.280 But I think part of that, part of that scouse 0:05:52.320 --> 0:05:54.520 were better. Part of that Scouds were better at practicing. 0:05:55.880 --> 0:05:57.720 We get more focused on our practice. We kind of 0:05:57.720 --> 0:05:59.359 said that you get you get you get good at 0:05:59.400 --> 0:06:02.359 setting goals your practice, you get good at you know, 0:06:02.520 --> 0:06:04.840 just getting better at practicing. You can get more done 0:06:04.880 --> 0:06:07.440 in an hour when you're at my age now that 0:06:07.480 --> 0:06:09.360 I could get done that, you know, two or three 0:06:09.400 --> 0:06:11.360 hours when I was twenty five. They really know I 0:06:11.360 --> 0:06:13.839 was doing. And so I've gotten a better idea of 0:06:13.839 --> 0:06:15.920 what it takes and how to play well. What I 0:06:15.960 --> 0:06:17.719 need to do. What are what are my strengths? That 0:06:17.800 --> 0:06:20.360 self evaluation issue that you need to have if you're 0:06:20.360 --> 0:06:22.839 going to get better, I mean on a self evaluation 0:06:23.040 --> 0:06:25.480 is something that every I don't care what your whether, 0:06:25.600 --> 0:06:27.919 you don't care what you do for a living, you 0:06:28.000 --> 0:06:31.200 need to have that. And sometimes it's you think and 0:06:31.279 --> 0:06:33.719 need to go to work, but sometimes hey, things are good, 0:06:34.240 --> 0:06:36.160 you need to go rest and be ready to go apply. 0:06:37.279 --> 0:06:41.760 What in terms of like self evaluation, it had how 0:06:41.839 --> 0:06:45.159 much has stats changed the way you can do that. 0:06:47.800 --> 0:06:49.800 You know the problem with golf stats is they tend 0:06:49.800 --> 0:06:55.520 to be intermixed to some extent. Now they have these 0:06:55.560 --> 0:06:57.680 new ones. It's these the engineers that come up with 0:06:57.720 --> 0:07:00.920 about strokes, game cutting and driving and whatnot, and I'm 0:07:00.920 --> 0:07:02.760 not sure how they work. I'll be honest with you. 0:07:03.720 --> 0:07:05.600 There was something someone had told me. I don't know 0:07:05.600 --> 0:07:07.080 if it's true or not that that when I shot 0:07:07.120 --> 0:07:09.520 fifty nine, I had like the greatest stroke screen putting 0:07:09.560 --> 0:07:12.800 around and they had ever measured. I don't know if 0:07:12.840 --> 0:07:14.400 that was durious of that time. I don't know if 0:07:14.440 --> 0:07:16.160 that was true or not. And I don't know if 0:07:16.200 --> 0:07:19.720 you even find that out. But the problem you have 0:07:19.840 --> 0:07:21.640 with some of the staffs that's take you know, you know, 0:07:21.800 --> 0:07:28.000 say putts per green and regulation. You know, if I 0:07:28.040 --> 0:07:29.640 had a good drive in the ferway and hold my 0:07:29.680 --> 0:07:31.920 whole five iron, I have zero puts for green and 0:07:32.000 --> 0:07:33.760 reulation in the course of this tour. I'm the best 0:07:34.080 --> 0:07:38.160 potter on tour. That seems odd. I haven't putted, you know. 0:07:38.760 --> 0:07:41.000 You know bunkers, you know sand saves. You know, if 0:07:41.000 --> 0:07:42.760 I hit a three feet and miss it, my sand 0:07:42.880 --> 0:07:44.920 game and I'm forty two percent. That doesn't mean I 0:07:44.920 --> 0:07:46.360 need to work on my standing any work on my 0:07:46.400 --> 0:07:49.640 three footers. There's a lot of so there's a lot 0:07:49.640 --> 0:07:52.840 of intermingling, and after that the evaluation actually kind of 0:07:53.040 --> 0:07:54.800 I would actually say the opposite. You need to be 0:07:55.240 --> 0:07:59.040 enough self aware about yourself and again to you know, 0:07:59.120 --> 0:08:01.320 know thyself is probably the best piece of advice you 0:08:01.320 --> 0:08:03.280 could give a young players. Know who you are and 0:08:03.560 --> 0:08:06.040 you know what you can do, and against evaluate. But 0:08:06.600 --> 0:08:07.960 if I go out and look at the stats and 0:08:08.040 --> 0:08:13.200 seven forty Sam says, there's there's a deeper deal there 0:08:14.680 --> 0:08:19.160 that you need to dive into. And but again, if 0:08:19.160 --> 0:08:21.640 a player can place for six months and can't realize 0:08:21.640 --> 0:08:24.480 what he's struggling with, then that's that's another set of problems. 0:08:25.160 --> 0:08:28.840 Yeah. I think you see a lot of times when 0:08:28.920 --> 0:08:31.400 when players try and like you know, they have a 0:08:31.400 --> 0:08:33.640 lot of success and then they try and you know, 0:08:34.280 --> 0:08:36.960 you know Martin Kaimer famously, I think he was trying 0:08:36.960 --> 0:08:39.560 to add a fade or a draw. I think it 0:08:39.600 --> 0:08:42.640 was a draw for Augusta a draw, yeah, right, And uh, 0:08:43.000 --> 0:08:44.959 you know Luke Donald, you know, went on a quest 0:08:44.960 --> 0:08:47.920 for more distance when he was world number one, did 0:08:47.960 --> 0:08:50.760 you ever have anything like in your career where you 0:08:51.480 --> 0:08:54.440 tried to implement something and it it just was the 0:08:54.440 --> 0:08:55.080 wrong move. 0:08:56.760 --> 0:08:58.640 Now, we never really went down that path as on 0:08:58.679 --> 0:09:01.840 how I evaluated myself. I take the loose. I can't. 0:09:01.880 --> 0:09:04.280 I can't you know, for me to be you know, 0:09:04.360 --> 0:09:06.400 Martin Kimer, when you played bad, was a better player 0:09:06.440 --> 0:09:09.440 than I was. Let alone, when he played good, he 0:09:09.480 --> 0:09:17.120 didn't choose Yeah, not yet anyway. The lou Donald issues 0:09:17.200 --> 0:09:19.520 is though again got the number one in the world. 0:09:19.559 --> 0:09:22.839 That's that's a stratosphere that I never even looked at, 0:09:22.840 --> 0:09:24.959 but he looked at it and try to get more length. 0:09:24.960 --> 0:09:27.240 And that's a part of That's an age. He's thirties, 0:09:27.280 --> 0:09:28.839 in his thirties, and he's looking at how the game 0:09:28.920 --> 0:09:31.160 is changing. You know, I've always been a short hitter. 0:09:31.440 --> 0:09:33.200 Kind of my last ten years on tour, I was 0:09:33.200 --> 0:09:36.360 in the bottom ten percent in distance, and I never 0:09:36.440 --> 0:09:38.280 really tried to hit it farther. I said, well, I'm 0:09:38.280 --> 0:09:40.840 never going to hit it farther or he's not significant. 0:09:40.840 --> 0:09:43.000 I always tried to figure out way to hit straighter. 0:09:43.160 --> 0:09:45.120 I said, if I'm going to hit it, if you're 0:09:45.120 --> 0:09:46.920 going to drive it short, you have to drive it straight. 0:09:46.960 --> 0:09:48.520 I mean, if you're in short and cruk that you 0:09:49.080 --> 0:09:51.720 know that's again that's a whole other set of problems 0:09:51.720 --> 0:09:54.880 that I that I so I never tried to to 0:09:55.480 --> 0:09:58.880 make to fix the things that I think maybe deficiencies. 0:09:58.880 --> 0:10:01.800 I tried to make my strength stronger. I was always 0:10:01.880 --> 0:10:05.839 kind of way I looked at it improving my game. 0:10:07.720 --> 0:10:09.439 For me to be successful, I need to drive the 0:10:09.480 --> 0:10:11.240 ball in the fairway and you need to make potts. 0:10:11.280 --> 0:10:13.160 If I do those two things, I'm probably gonna be okay. 0:10:14.080 --> 0:10:16.000 And I always felt that that's kind of goes back 0:10:16.000 --> 0:10:20.839 to that evaluation. I remember Ry McElroy saying something kind 0:10:20.840 --> 0:10:23.880 of similar, saying that you know, he had a weakness, 0:10:23.920 --> 0:10:25.319 and I don't know what. Be honestly, I don't know 0:10:25.360 --> 0:10:27.959 what Rory mcroy's weaknesses are, as I haven't really seen them. 0:10:28.040 --> 0:10:32.520 Saying healthy seems to be his biggest problem playing soccer, 0:10:32.559 --> 0:10:34.520 probably maybe not high in the list of things he 0:10:34.520 --> 0:10:39.079 should do. But he mentioned that he didn't want his 0:10:39.120 --> 0:10:41.679 weakness was X. He said, I don't want to spend 0:10:41.720 --> 0:10:43.840 so much time trying to make X better that I 0:10:43.880 --> 0:10:47.160 lose my strength. And I thought that was a very 0:10:47.160 --> 0:10:49.520 profound thing to say. His strength is driving a golf 0:10:49.559 --> 0:10:52.560 ball and long and reasonably straight, and that's how he 0:10:52.640 --> 0:10:54.880 when he does that, he's very difficult to beat. And 0:10:55.800 --> 0:10:58.240 I'm the same I need to drive the ball straight 0:10:58.240 --> 0:10:59.800 and I need to make putts. And so that's where 0:11:00.080 --> 0:11:02.920 the bast majority of my of my thought process goes, 0:11:03.080 --> 0:11:06.600 not trying to fix what, you know, deficiencies I might have. 0:11:06.679 --> 0:11:09.040 And obviously, if I'm fat hooking five irons, I'm gonna 0:11:09.080 --> 0:11:11.600 go figure out why. But I mean, if I if 0:11:11.679 --> 0:11:15.319 I'm more comfortable hitting a draw, I see no reason 0:11:15.360 --> 0:11:17.679 to work on the faith. If that that, to me, 0:11:17.840 --> 0:11:19.640 that would be I would need to have everything else 0:11:19.679 --> 0:11:22.320 in such good shape that to where I would do 0:11:22.360 --> 0:11:25.960 that make that kind of that kind of change would 0:11:26.000 --> 0:11:28.560 have to be you know, I'd have to be in 0:11:28.559 --> 0:11:30.160 a much better in a great place. 0:11:31.760 --> 0:11:34.400 Zach Blair who once said to me and and Zach is, 0:11:35.160 --> 0:11:37.800 despite what he says he's one of the shorter hitters. 0:11:37.800 --> 0:11:40.600 He always says, you know, I'm one of the longest hits. 0:11:40.720 --> 0:11:42.880 Zach Blair, younger guy. 0:11:42.920 --> 0:11:46.360 Yeah, yeah, okay, okay, yeah. 0:11:45.760 --> 0:11:48.680 He uh he's a shorter hitter, but he you know, 0:11:48.679 --> 0:11:50.760 he hits it really straight. He found himself, he hits 0:11:50.960 --> 0:11:53.959 He hits driver almost everywhere on tour. Did you find 0:11:54.000 --> 0:11:57.760 that much like hitting a straight you know, on tighter holes? 0:11:57.840 --> 0:11:59.200 Hitting driver gave you. 0:11:59.320 --> 0:12:03.599 A yeah to some extent? To some extent, yeah, I 0:12:03.679 --> 0:12:09.560 mean to me, if guys who drive it reasonably straight 0:12:09.600 --> 0:12:13.439 and who are in the top safe twenty and driving 0:12:13.440 --> 0:12:16.800 accuracy tend to hit driver more because they're more comfortable 0:12:16.880 --> 0:12:18.360 hitting dr I think I hit my driver straight and 0:12:18.440 --> 0:12:20.840 I hit my three with off the tea. I definitely 0:12:20.840 --> 0:12:22.680 think i'd hit my driver straight and I hit you know, 0:12:22.800 --> 0:12:24.400 for what or a long or a hybrid off the 0:12:24.440 --> 0:12:27.839 tea is. It's just it just to me, unless there's 0:12:27.880 --> 0:12:31.800 some reasons, there's a really compelling reason. You get holes 0:12:31.800 --> 0:12:33.240 where you know, you out there two hundred and fifty 0:12:33.280 --> 0:12:35.240 yards and it becomes twenty yards alive with the hazards 0:12:35.280 --> 0:12:37.839 and you're gonna lay up obviously, But generally I hit 0:12:37.880 --> 0:12:41.400 my driver just just straight as anything else. And again 0:12:41.400 --> 0:12:44.000 it goes back to what I said before. If I'm 0:12:44.040 --> 0:12:45.960 not driving it good, it really doesn't matter. So if 0:12:46.000 --> 0:12:48.439 we've got a fairway that's thirty yards wide with trouble, 0:12:49.800 --> 0:12:51.640 I'm not hitting driver into that fairway to the vast 0:12:51.840 --> 0:12:53.319 joring at the time, I'm probably not having a good 0:12:53.320 --> 0:12:56.079 week anyways, good. 0:12:55.920 --> 0:12:56.800 Way to look at it. 0:12:58.080 --> 0:13:00.160 But yeah, I mean again, you live by this and 0:13:00.200 --> 0:13:02.000 die by the sort of a little bit, and and 0:13:02.040 --> 0:13:04.040 you said these are things that I generally need to do. 0:13:04.080 --> 0:13:06.920 Now you can obviously get that's a that's a big 0:13:07.000 --> 0:13:10.160 long term concept. There are rounds where you kind of 0:13:10.240 --> 0:13:12.200 to drivers not feeling good and you're just getting it 0:13:12.240 --> 0:13:15.240 to getting it in the house to survive that round 0:13:15.280 --> 0:13:17.120 and get to the range and figure out why you're 0:13:16.760 --> 0:13:18.880 not doing whatever you need to do. There are times 0:13:18.880 --> 0:13:21.600 and again you get a little bit out of whack 0:13:21.640 --> 0:13:23.440 and you have to kind of way to fix that 0:13:23.520 --> 0:13:26.120 a little bit. And so you will, I will manipulate 0:13:26.200 --> 0:13:28.800 the round or am I hit three woods or whatever 0:13:28.840 --> 0:13:30.400 just to get the ball in play and get it 0:13:30.440 --> 0:13:32.200 on the green and get that get through that round 0:13:32.280 --> 0:13:34.560 as little damage as possible. That happens. But on a 0:13:34.600 --> 0:13:38.760 big from a big picture standpoint, you know, my strength 0:13:38.800 --> 0:13:39.720 is driving it straight. 0:13:42.080 --> 0:13:45.920 So with your career, like one of the you know, uh, 0:13:46.240 --> 0:13:50.680 I guess a stereotype for Californians and Florida Philoridians is 0:13:50.720 --> 0:13:55.440 that Californians don't play well in Florida, and Floridians don't 0:13:55.440 --> 0:13:57.920 play well in California. But you know two of your 0:13:57.920 --> 0:14:02.040 best tournaments happened in Florida. You know it was it? 0:14:03.000 --> 0:14:04.720 Did you just buck the trend? Or is that just 0:14:04.800 --> 0:14:07.640 a you know, a a not a real thing. 0:14:09.120 --> 0:14:11.280 I think it's again as experienced. The first time I 0:14:11.280 --> 0:14:13.000 took a look at Bermuda grass, to me, it was like, 0:14:13.080 --> 0:14:15.200 you know, I couldn't figure out how your tail of 0:14:15.240 --> 0:14:18.480 what was going on there, But you know I got 0:14:18.520 --> 0:14:23.280 to I got through that. I would argue that the 0:14:23.360 --> 0:14:26.600 bigger problem is going from Florida to Californian putting in Polana, 0:14:26.640 --> 0:14:29.840 then going from California to Florida and learning how to 0:14:29.840 --> 0:14:31.640 put on Maria to Brina grass. Now, to me, is 0:14:31.720 --> 0:14:34.480 much more consistent. You can kind of if you spend 0:14:34.480 --> 0:14:38.040 some time and get some experience. It's it's to me, 0:14:38.080 --> 0:14:40.560 it's Bermuda tends to be a much better, more consistent 0:14:40.600 --> 0:14:45.680 putting surface than Californian struggle on Polana too at times. 0:14:45.960 --> 0:14:49.920 And but uh, going from a place where you know, 0:14:50.280 --> 0:14:51.880 you watch the at and T and that's the way 0:14:52.240 --> 0:14:55.840 you've got reasonably you got you got tough saying tough 0:14:55.880 --> 0:14:58.080 soil conditions to grow grass, and you got pumping grains 0:14:58.080 --> 0:15:00.160 and they got quick, and you know, you just have 0:15:00.160 --> 0:15:02.880 to accept that. Some of those courses Tory Pines as 0:15:02.880 --> 0:15:04.600 an example too, where you're going to miss a couple 0:15:04.640 --> 0:15:06.320 of three footers during the week even when you hit 0:15:06.360 --> 0:15:08.080 good potts. That's not the case in Florida. You can 0:15:08.080 --> 0:15:10.320 get going in Bermuda grass. I don't care who you are. 0:15:10.360 --> 0:15:12.680 The good puts they generally go in. And it's not 0:15:12.760 --> 0:15:16.280 a function of it's a function of dealing with that situation. 0:15:16.400 --> 0:15:19.080 California is just deal with missing three footers every once 0:15:19.080 --> 0:15:20.680 in a while when they hit good pots. In Florida, 0:15:20.720 --> 0:15:22.640 if you get the Marina grass is in good shape 0:15:22.640 --> 0:15:24.160 and you hit a good putt, they generally go in. 0:15:25.160 --> 0:15:27.200 That isn't the case on Polanna sometimes. 0:15:27.400 --> 0:15:30.800 Yeah, I lived in la and spent a lot of 0:15:31.200 --> 0:15:35.680 late afternoons playing Rancho Park, which, yeah, those things got 0:15:35.880 --> 0:15:36.560 pretty bumpy. 0:15:36.600 --> 0:15:39.280 And from yeah, I grew up in a recreation park 0:15:39.280 --> 0:15:42.120 and you play in the afternoon bumpy Polana. It's yeah, 0:15:42.240 --> 0:15:44.840 it's a test of your patient. So you know, you 0:15:44.920 --> 0:15:46.800 go from you know, and when you go to Florida 0:15:46.800 --> 0:15:50.600 and we play wherever. We'll play at Boca Ratona and 0:15:50.600 --> 0:15:54.560 we'll play in Naples. The greens are perfect. They're permuta, 0:15:54.640 --> 0:15:57.040 but they're perfect if I hit a four footer on 0:15:57.080 --> 0:16:00.720 the line that's read correctly and it goes in. I've 0:16:00.760 --> 0:16:04.080 had plenty of four footers a pebble Beach or Riviera 0:16:04.320 --> 0:16:06.240 or Tory Pines, and I thought I hit a pretty 0:16:06.240 --> 0:16:07.360 good pet on the rune. I was trying to hit 0:16:07.360 --> 0:16:10.280 it and it just kind of didn't go in. That happens. 0:16:11.080 --> 0:16:15.480 It's well, you know, people talk about like agronomy being 0:16:15.480 --> 0:16:18.920 a huge thing that's like gone through a big, you know, 0:16:19.200 --> 0:16:22.560 advancement in the game over the last twenty years. Having 0:16:23.200 --> 0:16:26.720 had a career that spanned like you know, you know 0:16:26.760 --> 0:16:30.400 a long time, have you is that you know, would 0:16:30.440 --> 0:16:33.040 you say that's really, you know, changed the game. 0:16:34.400 --> 0:16:37.480 I think it's changed the professional game. I can't I 0:16:37.520 --> 0:16:40.680 can't speak for cause we're going in a golf course. They're 0:16:40.680 --> 0:16:42.640 spending a lot of time to get the golf course 0:16:43.000 --> 0:16:47.280 hit ready. I mean, a normal golf club doesn't have 0:16:47.360 --> 0:16:50.880 that kind of money to spend that they that say 0:16:50.880 --> 0:16:53.360 a tournament site is going to spend to keep the 0:16:53.400 --> 0:16:55.360 course in tour shape. But having said that, yeah, I 0:16:55.400 --> 0:17:00.920 mean the golf course conditioning has lowered scores. The fairies 0:17:00.960 --> 0:17:04.480 are better. The grasses that need less water and can 0:17:04.520 --> 0:17:07.200 stay so you know, the greens are smoother and stay 0:17:07.240 --> 0:17:09.560 smooth longer. Soft spikes of the know, if you have 0:17:09.640 --> 0:17:11.400 firm greens, you know you don't get a lot of rain. 0:17:11.960 --> 0:17:14.000 Soft spikes are make I think make a big difference 0:17:15.080 --> 0:17:18.399 over over metal spikes, which is this is what on 0:17:18.440 --> 0:17:20.320 the PJA Tour, capty more than twenty five percent of 0:17:20.320 --> 0:17:23.200 the guys that wearing metal spikes anymore. And with firm 0:17:23.240 --> 0:17:25.240 greens that makes a big difference, especially for the guys 0:17:25.240 --> 0:17:28.640 playing and say later in the afternoon. But agronomy has 0:17:28.640 --> 0:17:31.680 made a big I think agronomy is is a big 0:17:31.720 --> 0:17:34.440 part of why the golf scoring is so much better people. 0:17:34.560 --> 0:17:39.119 You know, if you watch major champions We played the 0:17:39.119 --> 0:17:44.160 the Open Championship at Turnberry the year that Watson lost 0:17:44.160 --> 0:17:47.400 in the playoff, and I'm playing pressure with Kevin Sutherland. 0:17:47.400 --> 0:17:49.199 We played really we were playing like in the We're 0:17:49.240 --> 0:17:51.439 both playing at four o'clock on Thursday, so we played 0:17:51.440 --> 0:17:53.280 like at three o'clock in the afternoon, two o'clock in 0:17:53.280 --> 0:17:57.520 the afternoon on Wednesday as a practice round, and we 0:17:57.560 --> 0:17:59.880 got done and the superintendent was on the eighteenth green 0:18:00.400 --> 0:18:02.240 and we were just stunned by how good the greens were. 0:18:02.359 --> 0:18:05.000 And and you know, and this is seven o'clock in 0:18:05.040 --> 0:18:07.000 the afternoon. This is the little last guys. You one 0:18:07.040 --> 0:18:09.160 hundred and fifty guys that played, and they hadn't even 0:18:09.160 --> 0:18:11.159 moted yet. And it was perfect. I mean, it was 0:18:11.200 --> 0:18:13.760 absolutely perfect. And you know, if you if you read 0:18:13.800 --> 0:18:15.320 the green right from twenty feet and hit the butt, 0:18:15.440 --> 0:18:18.240 you're making it. There nothing to keep the ball. I 0:18:18.240 --> 0:18:20.120 don't know if that was the case twenty five years ago. 0:18:20.640 --> 0:18:25.480 Yeah, with the Champions story, you know, as the pen 0:18:25.720 --> 0:18:28.760 the setups are as I understand it a little bit 0:18:28.800 --> 0:18:31.080 more benign with pins more in the middle. Does it 0:18:31.119 --> 0:18:32.680 make it more of a putting contest? 0:18:34.160 --> 0:18:36.160 I wouldn't necessarily. I think that, you know, our pins 0:18:36.160 --> 0:18:37.640 are all going to be four or five from the edge, 0:18:37.640 --> 0:18:42.200 Like the difference is probably more length. You know, we're 0:18:42.200 --> 0:18:45.120 playing golf courses that are between sixty nine and seventy 0:18:45.119 --> 0:18:47.679 two or three. Well, the PJ Tour is playing between 0:18:47.720 --> 0:18:50.439 seventy two or three and I'm assuming almost eight thousand 0:18:50.520 --> 0:18:55.080 now I think that's a bigger difference, and we're probably 0:18:55.119 --> 0:18:59.200 playing we're playing golf courses that are that are take 0:18:59.200 --> 0:19:03.560 away are majors. But you know, let's take the We 0:19:03.680 --> 0:19:06.320 just played the Schwab Cup Championship at a Phoenix country, 0:19:06.320 --> 0:19:09.520 but we basically played it. The member wanted to put 0:19:09.520 --> 0:19:11.639 their golf course in the best possible shape they had 0:19:11.760 --> 0:19:14.120 for their member, guests or whatever. That's basically what we're playing. 0:19:14.119 --> 0:19:17.760 We're playing you know, rough penal but not unplayable. Greens 0:19:17.760 --> 0:19:20.600 are perfect. They're trying to get you know, trying to 0:19:20.600 --> 0:19:23.919 get anything firm, but that's a weather issue. So we're playing, 0:19:24.320 --> 0:19:26.960 we're playing golf courses that they aren't trying as hard 0:19:27.080 --> 0:19:30.679 to make it as difficult either from a offen Our 0:19:30.720 --> 0:19:33.200 fairways instead of being twenty yards twenty five yards wide, 0:19:33.240 --> 0:19:35.280 are going to be thirty to thirty five yards wid 0:19:35.320 --> 0:19:37.879