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Speaker 2: For example, I'm already upset. When I find my ball

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Speaker 2: my ball in a fried egg Friday Egg, the dreaded

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Speaker 2: Frida Egg, Friday Friday Bride Egg, Lie, I'm about ready

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Speaker 2: to run off of the course. Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome

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Speaker 2: back to another edition of the Friday Egg Podcast. Today,

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Speaker 2: I'm joined by PGA Tour Champions Star and former PGA

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Speaker 2: Tour winner Paul Paul. Thanks for coming on.

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Speaker 1: Good Thanks. Star kind of caught me off guard, but

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Speaker 1: Journeyman been more the title, but I'll pick Star for

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Speaker 2: Hey, you got some wins on the Champions Store.

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Speaker 1: I do have a I do have a couple.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, former assistant Ryder Cup Captain. They don't

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Speaker 2: they don't give that out to anyway.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, I can base the argument that the

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Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, Corey saw something that nobody else saw

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Speaker 2: So to kick things off, I think you're you're most

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Speaker 2: known for your fifty nine and I'm I want to

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Speaker 2: know about what went on, you know, the night before

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Speaker 2: the preceedings to the fifty nine. You know, was there

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Speaker 1: No, not really, And i'd really been actually been struggling

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Speaker 1: I mean it rained so hard. I remember I was

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's Golf's the funny game. And uh I remember

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Speaker 2: David Devall saying that he like never hit balls a

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Speaker 2: Was that the type of yeah, I don't.

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Speaker 1: I tend to I have, you know, if I'm really

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think everybody's been there with like the shot cut.

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Speaker 1: It happens, Yeah, it happens. You know, your linement gets

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Speaker 2: So as your perspective on just the game. And you know,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, again that goes back to experience. I'll never forget.

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Speaker 2: H I think I find that in my older age.

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Speaker 2: You know, I played amateur stuff, but I've as I've

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Speaker 1: But I think part of that, part of that scouse

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Speaker 1: Now, we never really went down that path as on

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Speaker 1: If I do those two things, I'm probably gonna be okay.

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Speaker 1: just as the competitions are saying. You're trying to do

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Speaker 1: the same things. You're trying to beat the guys and

432
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Speaker 1: trying to play the best you can. But the difference

433
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Speaker 1: to me is that I'm only facing If the PGA

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Speaker 1: Tour were for twenty to thirty year olds, it'd be

435
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Speaker 1: very similar if we had it. You know, the Champions

436
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Speaker 1: Tour is just one generation of players.

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Speaker 2: One of our I send a tweet out to get

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Speaker 2: some listener questions, and one of our listeners had a

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Speaker 2: question that related on that, with like the influx of

440
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Speaker 2: cash on the PGA Tour now and do you think that,

441
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Speaker 2: you know, fifteen twenty years for now, there's going to

442
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Speaker 2: be less players playing past forty.

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Speaker 1: You know, that question gets has been brought up. I

444
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Speaker 1: think as persons have increased, you know, probably since the

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Speaker 1: nineteen fifties. I mean, I'm sure the people in nineteen

446
00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:54,600
Speaker 1: fifties couldn't believe how much money the guys in the

447
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Speaker 1: seventies were playing for, and in the end of the day.

448
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Speaker 1: You hear a lot of players talk about it, but

449
00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:05,480
Speaker 1: we all like to compete, you know, we don't once

450
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Speaker 1: you get past the money. The guys who are really successful,

451
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Speaker 1: I don't care what sport it might be, and wanted

452
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Speaker 1: to want to compete. And you see that in other

453
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Speaker 1: sports too. Guys seem to hang on longer than they

454
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Speaker 1: should because they think they can still compete. They still

455
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Speaker 1: want to do that, that compete and golf, you're lucky

456
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Speaker 1: you can do it. I mean, nine ers winning tournaments

457
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Speaker 1: at sixty and he's going to win tournaments next year

458
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Speaker 1: at sixty one. And that drive to compete is always

459
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Speaker 1: going to be there, regardless of where their bank account

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Speaker 1: may be. And everyone talks about you know, while there's

461
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Speaker 1: the these thirty five year old kids, they say, I'm

462
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Speaker 1: not going to play the Champions to it, and they're

463
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Speaker 1: forty five. We'll see, and then they're fifty, they're playing

464
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Speaker 1: the Champions Tour because this is what we do and

465
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Speaker 1: we want to be We want to you know, maybe

466
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Speaker 1: it's ego driven, I don't know, but you wanted you

467
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Speaker 1: want to compete, and you want to show your skills

468
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Speaker 1: off and you want to see what you can do,

469
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Speaker 1: and you really can't do that with it, you can't.

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Speaker 1: They can't do that in other fields. They can go

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Speaker 1: into television and whatnot. But the reality is what they've

472
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Speaker 1: been doing their whole lives is competing against their fellow players,

473
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Speaker 1: and that drive doesn't go away just because your bank

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Speaker 1: accounts bigger.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think that same way. Like my

476
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Speaker 2: wife does not understand why I play in like mid

477
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Speaker 2: am events around the States, But it's just, you know,

478
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Speaker 2: the there's nothing like competition.

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Speaker 1: And you know, he challenges yourself. And Jack Nichols talked

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Speaker 1: about retiring when he was forty and he's still playing

481
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Speaker 1: the Masters. He've just one of the Masters when he's

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Speaker 1: fifty eight. All these guys talked about that. I've always

483
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Speaker 1: talked about, I'm not going to do this longer than next,

484
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Speaker 1: and they all them doing it until they're sixty. So

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Speaker 1: there's nothing that tells me that that Ricky Fowler is

486
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Speaker 1: not in the same way.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's like what else are they going to do?

488
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Speaker 2: Just play money games right now?

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Speaker 1: There's plenty of other things that I think, there are

490
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Speaker 1: plenty of things they can do. They're all smart guys,

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, these things are all really smart guys,

492
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Speaker 1: but what drives them to be Ricky Fowler is this

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Speaker 1: competitive nature. What drives Jordany on Justin Thomas to be

494
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Speaker 1: Justin Thomas as his competitive nature. And then that's not

495
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Speaker 1: going to go away because they're doing golf course architecture

496
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Speaker 1: or they're doing something else. They're still going to have

497
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Speaker 1: that desire to compete.

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Speaker 2: You know, having played on the Hogan Tour, which was

499
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Speaker 2: then the Web, then you played on the.

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Speaker 1: Another way around the web to it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, then then I got it all mixed up, the

502
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Speaker 2: PGA Tour and now the champions Right, How would you

503
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Speaker 2: kind of contrast the difference that what? What are like

504
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Speaker 2: the little things that you enjoyed about each Maybe not

505
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Speaker 2: the most obvious.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the Hogan Tour, I was being just compiled, no idea.

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Speaker 1: I'd never played any national level golf, however in college,

508
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Speaker 1: I never played in NC double as, I never played

509
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Speaker 1: at USAM, and I've never really done any I didn't

510
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Speaker 1: even know anybody out there. I did even heard of

511
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Speaker 1: these people except maybe which you read in Golf digest.

512
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Speaker 1: I never really paid that much attention to who was

513
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Speaker 1: a great player and college golf. I remember were playing

514
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Speaker 1: one a PJ Tour event when he was a college player.

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Speaker 1: He won the Western Open, I think, and he played

516
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Speaker 1: at Oklahoma State and we played against him, but you know,

517
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Speaker 1: I didn't know anything. Okan Tour was just kind of

518
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Speaker 1: like to me was the biggest thing was was going

519
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Speaker 1: out there and playing and and and that's when I

520
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Speaker 1: first realized that, hey, you know, maybe there is a

521
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Speaker 1: future playing I was at that point. I was just

522
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Speaker 1: got in my college degree and I was kind of

523
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Speaker 1: you know him and hung and you know, give it

524
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Speaker 1: a couple of years and see what happens. And I

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Speaker 1: had some success, you know, and it kind of allowed

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Speaker 1: me to kind of re evaluate in the sense I

527
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Speaker 1: what what my goals would be, my goals were. You're

528
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Speaker 1: obviously your ultimate goals will be the best player in

529
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Speaker 1: the world, but those are you have other goals too,

530
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Speaker 1: and kind of see where this goes. And it kind

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Speaker 1: of went in a good direction. So I kind of

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Speaker 1: kept going and it, you know, here I am today.

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Speaker 1: PG Tour. It's a pretty cool thing, you know. I got.

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Speaker 1: I got. I got to play for whatever it was,

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Speaker 1: fifteen years the Tiger Woods. And to know that when

536
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Speaker 1: you're playing a tournament you're playing against you. It's the

537
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Speaker 1: ultimate challenge. And the European Tour has gotten better. But

538
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Speaker 1: when I played the PGA Tour forstal yearly it was

539
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Speaker 1: that week when I won bay Hill, it was the

540
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Speaker 1: fifthest field in the world that year. This concept of

541
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Speaker 1: and then maybe that's just your ego, that you you've

542
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 1: got a chance, you're playing against the best possible players

543
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 1: and you're one of them is a pretty cool thing

544
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Speaker 1: once you step back and take a look at it.

545
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Speaker 1: Now you're not thinking that I'm the first team. But

546
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Speaker 1: like in the offseason and especially the last few years

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Speaker 1: now that I've you know, gotten older and kind of

548
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Speaker 1: seen what's going watching the kids today, got hey, I

549
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:39,199
Speaker 1: got a chance to do that for twenty years, that

550
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Speaker 1: was That's a pretty cool thing. You know. Maybe I'm

551
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:47,359
Speaker 1: too much of a fan of professional golf, but you know,

552
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Speaker 1: having a chance to play with Tiger, I shot twenty

553
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Speaker 1: eight playing the first time played the Tiger Woods, I

554
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Speaker 1: shot twenty eight on the front nine. Things like that,

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Speaker 1: you know, against the greatest players in the world. That's

556
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Speaker 1: just a cool thing to be able to do. I

557
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Speaker 1: see that in other sports, Baseball. I have a big

558
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Speaker 1: baseball fan it's gonna be pretty cool out and play

559
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 1: center field for the angel in your my trap. That's

560
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 1: that's pretty cool thing. And then the Champions Tour it

561
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 1: kind of gets back to what golf is really about.

562
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 1: And you and you and you, and you know, golf

563
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Speaker 1: is a great a great sport. It's it's a it's

564
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Speaker 1: it's you play. But when you're not playing golf, you

565
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 1: play golf for fifty I play a PGA Tour event,

566
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Speaker 1: if I say a Champions Tour event, I'm actually playing

567
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Speaker 1: golf for about fifteen minutes, you know, you know, I'm

568
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Speaker 1: hitting and playing, hitting my hopefully sixty five shots at

569
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 1: about fifteen minutes. So you know, you realize how you know,

570
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Speaker 1: how good the people are in golf, because you get

571
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Speaker 1: you have all this time to to talk and spend

572
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Speaker 1: time with them, you know. And and I look back

573
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Speaker 1: over the years and some city, how would you describe

574
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Speaker 1: the PGA Tour And it's a bunch of guys who

575
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Speaker 1: you'd love to have as your next door neighbor. And

576
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,360
Speaker 1: golf tends to breed that in our sport. And that's

577
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 1: one of the nice things about the Champions Tour. You

578
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 1: go to player dining and you have a choice of

579
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Speaker 1: fifteen different tables you can sit there, and you know

580
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Speaker 1: fifteen of them are going to be pretty good guys.

581
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Speaker 1: You're going to enjoy a conversation with all eat lunch.

582
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Speaker 1: And I think that best describes our game. The people

583
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:09,879
Speaker 1: that end up playing our game for long periods of

584
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 1: time tend to understand that part of our game. The

585
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 1: people who don't like the etiquette and don't like the

586
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 1: slowness and don't like that stuff tend to go play

587
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 1: other sports. They get bored when they're ten years older,

588
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 1: twelve years old, or fifteen years old to move on,

589
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 1: while the people stick it out tend to be you know,

590
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Speaker 1: I've always said about the first t is that you know,

591
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Speaker 1: what junior golf makes is not great golfers. It makes

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Speaker 1: great citizens. And golf's always been very good at that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you could say that we all have

594
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Speaker 2: We're all we're all sick os. You know, we are

595
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Speaker 2: all self deprecators that like to give themselves a hard

596
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Speaker 2: time for this pursuit.

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Speaker 1: Well, golf tends to produce losers. I mean I played

598
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Speaker 1: five hundred PGA Tour events and I went twice. I mean,

599
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Speaker 1: if you eventually I will admit that golf eventually gets

600
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Speaker 1: to everybody's driver a little bit crazy, but probably in

601
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 1: a good way, because you do it's the greatest players

602
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 1: in the world, you know, are losing the majority of

603
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Speaker 1: the time, and that's difficult to deal with at times.

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Speaker 2: So you spoke about playing with Tiger a little bit,

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Speaker 2: and I'm curious as to you know, I've heard a

606
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Speaker 2: lot of other players talk about like there was this

607
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Speaker 2: intimidation factor. What was it like being in the ropes

608
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Speaker 2: with him? I mean, obviously you shot twenty eight that

609
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Speaker 2: first sign.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he uh. You know, first of all, Tiger I

611
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,959
Speaker 1: probably did sing knew, but you know, we grew up

612
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 1: in the same place. He was, you know, a five

613
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Speaker 1: year old kid hit involved at Hartville Park and it's

614
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 1: a part three course. I had a lighted range and

615
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Speaker 1: I was, you know, sixteen or seventeen, so we kind

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Speaker 1: of you know, he grew up in the city next

617
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Speaker 1: door to me, and we actually the Navy course which

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Speaker 1: he talks about playing a lot, where he ran into

619
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Speaker 1: some trouble because of the color of the skin. My

620
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 1: dad was a military guy and I played golf there

621
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Speaker 1: a lot, too, So it wasn't Tiger didn't have that

622
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Speaker 1: same effect on me because I knew I saw him

623
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Speaker 1: when he was five, hitting balls of the range. I mean,

624
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 1: had a different, slightly different perspective of having said that

625
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Speaker 1: he's a you know he good players can know that.

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Speaker 1: They know that you're intimidated, not necessarily by the person,

627
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Speaker 1: but by his skill set. He didn't intimidate me as

628
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Speaker 1: a person. He intimidated because he was so freaking good.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I played with him at the practice round

630
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Speaker 1: on Wednesday before the US Open at Double Beach, was

631
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Speaker 1: John Cook and Marco Mayor and myself and Tiger Woods

632
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Speaker 1: on Wednesday morning, and I don't know, I don't know

633
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Speaker 1: if it's intimidating, but there's no way I was going

634
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Speaker 1: to beat him that week. And I missed a caud,

635
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Speaker 1: but there was no way anybody was going to beat

636
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Speaker 1: him that week. And I knew that on Wednesday. And

637
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Speaker 1: I don't know if that's intimidation or just respect, but

638
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 1: I do remember it was an instant. We're playing together

639
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 1: at the Buick Open in Michigan, and you know you're

640
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Speaker 1: playing with Tiger, You're gonna have the are gonna be

641
00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 1: five deep on every hole, which you know we weren't.

642
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 1: We were in the top twenty maybe and on the

643
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 1: in the fourth hole, I had about a three or

644
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 1: four foot for par and he he'd cut it out

645
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Speaker 1: and he was just waiting to go to the next

646
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Speaker 1: twa and I looked at I look up at the

647
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Speaker 1: whole of the last time before me to get my

648
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 1: tott and so he takes a picture, flash goes off

649
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 1: anyone taking a picture of me. Tiger was somewhere, but

650
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 1: I happened to catch it in his eye in my eyes,

651
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 1: and I started used to you know, I was smart

652
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 1: enough the back of way and you're blinking and was

653
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 1: kind of catch off guard a little bit. And I'm

654
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: sitting there trying to get my vision just to stop,

655
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 1: you know, to get cleared up before I can hit

656
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 1: this three footer. And I walked in there and I

657
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 1: finally hit this button, knock it in, and I'm kind

658
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 1: of walking up with Tiger, and I well, I was

659
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 1: he I'm thinking he's going to say, you know, sorry,

660
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 1: you know, you know whatever. He just said, welcome to

661
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 1: my world, because it happens to him every shot. You know,

662
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 1: he has to deal with that stuff. And you know,

663
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 1: he wasn't intimidating he was. He just said, this is

664
00:31:58,560 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 1: this is if you want to be you want to

665
00:31:59,920 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 1: be a great player, this is what you got to

666
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 1: deal with. And he dealt with that and still won.

667
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:06,719
Speaker 1: I mean the fact that again, how he won. How

668
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 1: these guys Nicholas and they put Nicholas and him in

669
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 1: a similar category, How they could you know, win at

670
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 1: that clip. What are those circumstances. It's pretty impressive. We've

671
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 1: already forgotten how good Tiger was. We've completely forgotten. Yeah,

672
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 1: I completely forgotten.

673
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 2: This week with it coming back. It's you know, you

674
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 2: I was reading this morning all these you know stats,

675
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 2: and you've seen it all the week with people putting

676
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 2: stats out there. I mean, it is unbelievable how good

677
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 2: he was.

678
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 1: They had they had an ever to Jason Day when

679
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 1: he won the PGA listening straight and then he quite

680
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 1: good the rest of that year and into the next year,

681
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:42,239
Speaker 1: maybe he won the match Player or something, and they

682
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 1: had mentioned that he had won seventeen seven out of

683
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: seventeen starts, which is ridiculous. I mean, that's just a

684
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 1: ridiculous thing to do on the PGA two. I guess

685
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 1: the best players in the world have seven wins in

686
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 1: seventeen starts. Tiger did that seven different times. I mean,

687
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 1: that's just that's ludicrous. Again, Jordan Speace had a great

688
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 1: start to his career and as channel, I don't know

689
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 1: if he still does it might have a chance to

690
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 1: the youngest person ever won the Grand Slam, you know,

691
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 1: the career Grand Slam. Anyways, we talk about you. Yeah,

692
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's it's not even I mean, Tiger,

693
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 1: Jordan Speace is a great player, maybe the best player

694
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Speaker 1: in the world. We've got Tiger would like a news

695
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 1: for everybody.

696
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 2: It's uh, I mean I was as a stat to

697
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 2: that is like Jordan Speed smissed thirteen cuts in his career,

698
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 2: Tiger Smith fifteen and Tigers started his career was two.

699
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 1: Right, It's it's ridiculous.

700
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's uh. That's my favorite set I read that

701
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 2: I had never heard before was the His forty European

702
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 2: Tour wins is third all time and he never played

703
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 2: one full season on the European too.

704
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I understand. I thought it one time. He wanted

705
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 1: he was the all time leading money winner on the

706
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: European Tour. He was definitely the top two or three

707
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 1: just based on you know the events, you know, you know,

708
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 1: he's just there's a dominance there that we've forgotten.

709
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 2: What what have you been watching? What do you expect

710
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 2: from you know, this week? And do you know his

711
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 2: you know, do you think there's anything uh, you know

712
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 2: left in the tank for return?

713
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:23,280
Speaker 1: Obviously back to the conversation, the guy who wants to compete,

714
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 1: he loves to compete, and there's you know, he's the

715
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 1: ultimate that I would say if all the players we've

716
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 1: talked talked about he I think he loves that competition

717
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:35,359
Speaker 1: as much as anybody. Whether his body can allow him

718
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 1: to do that, it's a different question. Again. If he's

719
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 1: healthy and can play, he's going to be he's gonna

720
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 1: he's he's going to have some another player for all

721
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 1: those guys to deal with. If you know he has

722
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 1: again he has that that intangible that you have to

723
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,360
Speaker 1: have to be that good. I mean, there there are

724
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Speaker 1: plenty of players over the years who have had incredible

725
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 1: and let's say take Tiger Wood's won seventy tournaments and

726
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 1: he won I think it's what fourteen majors. And you

727
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 1: take another player like say Davis Love, who won twenty

728
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 1: tournaments in one major, well, Tiger's not five times better

729
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 1: than Davis Love. There's an intangible there that Tiger has

730
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 1: that Davis didn't have. And Davis is one of the

731
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 1: twenty greatest players of all time, maybe twenty or thirty

732
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 1: greatest players of all time, and Tiger's that much has

733
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,879
Speaker 1: that much better. So Nicholas had obviously had it too,

734
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 1: and you think there's probably three or four guys, so

735
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 1: that intangible doesn't go away. So if Tiger's healthy and

736
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 1: can play and can get you know, said gets a

737
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 1: few some reps under him, there's nothing that tells me

738
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Speaker 1: that if his body lets him play, he won't be

739
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 1: a great player again.

740
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, outside of Tiger in that era, who did you

741
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 2: think was the next best player?

742
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, obviously Phil. I mean, you know, Phil did it

743
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 1: over a longer. Phillas VJ had good years, Erniels had

744
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: good years. Phil did it over a decade, you know,

745
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 1: and Phil kind of had that had that swash buckling attitude.

746
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 1: But still one. I think Phill's one close to forty events,

747
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 1: I'm not sure exactly what it is and five majors

748
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:17,479
Speaker 1: and he really didn't start winning. He once started winning

749
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 1: majors a little late in his career and he still

750
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 1: won five, he won three. You know, there's nothing that

751
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 1: says he might not win the US Open in the

752
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: next few years too. And when they career, Dan slam

753
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 1: and I think he was definitely the second best player

754
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 1: they had that Steven. If you saw the stat on

755
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 1: on Twitter about from you know, the tour from nineteen

756
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 1: ninety seven to sometimes two.

757
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 2: Thousand oh the top fifty things, well.

758
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:44,840
Speaker 1: The top the relation to PARR Major championships, that Tiger

759
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,800
Speaker 1: was one hundred and twenty eight under. Phil was third

760
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,280
Speaker 1: at like one hundred and twenty eight over.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Steve flesh.

762
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Speaker 1: Flash was actually Steve Fleshy was the flushy good friend

763
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 1: of my flesh. He was number two at two hundred

764
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,120
Speaker 1: and fifty shots, you know over at you know, it

765
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 1: was a fifteen year period or something. I mean that's

766
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 1: a but it shows you Phil, you know, flush he's

767
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 1: a fush, he's an underrated player, and he's tremendous talent.

768
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 1: It doesn't surprise me as his name of it, but

769
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 1: it shows you how good Pill was at that time.

770
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 1: I mean so in a sense amazing how big a

771
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:21,240
Speaker 1: person feels, a big personality it feels. I always consider

772
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 1: Phil a friend and he's I've always liked so to

773
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,839
Speaker 1: be that big a personality and can completely overshadowed by

774
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 1: Tiger Woods tells you how again how great Tiger Woods was.

775
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good point. My listeners are gonna get

776
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:36,439
Speaker 2: ask for me. I always contend Ernie was number two

777
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 2: in that era, so.

778
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:43,800
Speaker 1: Ernie had Ernie. Ernie definitely competed. It's hard sometimes he

779
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 1: was Ernie still slightly in the era where the European

780
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 1: Tour and the PGA Tour were apart. So it's hard

781
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 1: to measure Nick Faldough, I mean, Nick Faldo, how do

782
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:55,360
Speaker 1: we measure How do you measure Colin Montgomery have? Do

783
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,840
Speaker 1: you measure something these guys? Nowadays, it's a little easier

784
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 1: because there's a lot more competition among the top players

785
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 1: from both tours or from the world. I guess now

786
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 1: you'd call it. Back then, Ornie didn't still was bouncing

787
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 1: back and forth and it was it didn't have the

788
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:10,879
Speaker 1: same we didn't have the ability to so he could

789
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,720
Speaker 1: be a reasonable choice there. It's just harder to figure

790
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 1: out because there wasn't so much intertur competition.

791
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you look at their major championship stuff, I mean,

792
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 2: they're they're so close. It's it's you know, I think

793
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 2: they're like they're separated, like top all time top tens

794
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:31,399
Speaker 2: is like they have like one or two uh between them,

795
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,760
Speaker 2: and you know, one win more.

796
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 1: For Phil right and Phil again fills a bigger personality. Yeah,

797
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:40,439
Speaker 1: and so that tends to help him in those types

798
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 1: of rankings. Too.

799
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 2: American too, you know, there's this American buys sure.

800
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 1: Sure.

801
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 2: So with a kind of spanning this era, there's been

802
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 2: a lot of talk about bifurcation in the game. You know,

803
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 2: where where do you kind of stand on the golf

804
00:38:58,120 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 2: ball and technology?

805
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 1: Well, again, this is you know, we're running a business

806
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 1: and we can talk a lot about how I think

807
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:10,800
Speaker 1: some of these concepts. Well, first of all, this concept

808
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:12,720
Speaker 1: that we need to play eight thousand yard golf courses

809
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 1: is an interesting concept. I know Chamblie talked about it

810
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 1: a lot on Twitter. It's Chembley's fun to follow because

811
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:21,839
Speaker 1: he'll always say crazy stuff. And but again, no one

812
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 1: if you look at you look on the PGA tour,

813
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 1: I'd say the two courses at places the shortest on

814
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 1: tour a Hilton Head and Colonial. No one shoots thirty

815
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 1: end at part they're shooting actually higher a bitch of

816
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 1: the stroke coverage of those relations apart is higher than

817
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:36,319
Speaker 1: average up tour. So length is not the it's not

818
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 1: the end all to be. I remember we at the

819
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,399
Speaker 1: Houston Open. I don't know, I've got twenty fifteen years

820
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 1: ago they switched over to displays redstone thing. It's called

821
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 1: the thing. It's called the Houston Golf Club now. But

822
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 1: we played the members course the first couple of years

823
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 1: and the back nine was four a little over four

824
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 1: thousand yards long. And I remember playing the practice round

825
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 1: and getting done and God, this hit a bunch of

826
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 1: three woods every hole. What the hell they had it

827
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Speaker 1: that it was four thousand and thirty yards as a

828
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Speaker 1: back nine. Thank god, Holy that's long. When they shot

829
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Speaker 1: in tred couples, I think one day he shot twenty

830
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 1: two hundred. Park length is not going to deterred scoring.

831
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Speaker 1: So the ball, you know, forever, for all the greatness

832
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 1: that the golf ball has, which it goes farther and

833
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,839
Speaker 1: spins glass, well there's a way for architects to deal

834
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 1: with that. You know, just watch the tour players play

835
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 1: the ten Folt Riviera and how bad they mess it up.

836
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 1: You see a lot of you see twos and you

837
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:35,959
Speaker 1: see sixes. You know, length is Apple's a three wood,

838
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:37,800
Speaker 1: the three wood part four for all these guys, and

839
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 1: they struggle with So there's ways to deal with that.

840
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 1: That that the golf ball is harder to control distance wise.

841
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 1: So there's ways for architects to to fix that through

842
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 1: making distance control being more important than you know, being

843
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 1: able to hit your pitching wedge. You know Marion for

844
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 1: the US Open, till Micholson, you know he had a

845
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 1: pitching legend. I think it's fourteen to part of three

846
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 1: thirteen whatever the short part three is by the clubhouse

847
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:05,919
Speaker 1: and then and then the next role, he had two

848
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 1: wed shots that he hit the wrong distance and he

849
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 1: went bogey bogey and left he was open. Not because

850
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 1: he didn't hit it, didn't play a five hundred and

851
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 1: fifty yard part four well, but because he didn't hit

852
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 1: wedge at the right distance. And the architect you need

853
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 1: to figure out a way to make distance control more

854
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,359
Speaker 1: important than When you do that, then the players will

855
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 1: demand up all that they can control better. But right

856
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 1: now we're not doing that with architecture. We're just making

857
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,760
Speaker 1: it longer to where distance control is less important.

858
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 2: That's I had Bill Corr on the podcast a couple

859
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:36,399
Speaker 2: of weeks ago, and he said, when a reporter called

860
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 2: him about, you know, how he was going to combat

861
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 2: the distance problem with Trinity Forrest, he said, you know,

862
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 2: I want to make golf courses shorter and wider and

863
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 2: make it more about them hitting it the right distance

864
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 2: and the right line. You know where it's you know,

865
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 2: they have to pick a line and they have to

866
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:57,919
Speaker 2: hit it execute the distance on that line.

867
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 1: What's the hard what's the hardest hole in Major championship

868
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 1: golf under pressure? It's not. It's twelve in Augusta, which

869
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 1: forces you to either hit it at the right side

870
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:09,319
Speaker 1: of the green. It's forced you to hit the right club.

871
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 1: You hit it at the right you know, And it

872
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: was just throw a little bit of wind in there,

873
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:15,319
Speaker 1: and guys struggle because distance control is harder with the

874
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 1: new golf ball. If you hit your nine nine hundred

875
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 1: and sixty yards, one hundred and fifty yard shots a

876
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 1: lot harder. But if you hit your seminiro and one

877
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty yards, one hundred and fifty yard shot

878
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 1: is a lot easier. I think that mathematically makes sense.

879
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 1: Being skilled being the same. So when you start, when

880
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:33,800
Speaker 1: they start hitting the ball farther, it makes the gaps

881
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:37,800
Speaker 1: between the clubs bigger. So architects by by straight Chamblie

882
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,800
Speaker 1: with burying me on Twitter with this, but between lengthy

883
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 1: and the golf courses plays into the hands of the

884
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 1: long hitters into the golf ball while shortening and tightening.

885
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 1: And again what Bill colere saying, making guys hit at

886
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 1: the right distance, and you do have angling greens and whatnot.

887
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 1: You know, we're hitting it twenty feet pin high left

888
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:56,479
Speaker 1: is no good or twenty feet pin high rights no good.

889
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,399
Speaker 1: You know that makes them hit the ball not only

890
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 1: the right disc, but also you said the right line.

891
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with that, and it's yeah, I think

892
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 2: that's where like, that's where Die changed everything with Harbortown

893
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 2: was he reintroduced this idea of like, it's not just

894
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 2: about hitting it long end straight, it's about hitting it

895
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 2: straight and the right distance and right.

896
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 1: Now colonials like that and again Coloni.

897
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:22,919
Speaker 2: Farware, Yeah, it's port worth.

898
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 1: You just have to firware.

899
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:26,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it takes driver out of so many of

900
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,839
Speaker 2: those guys hands because of those dog likes and right you.

901
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 1: Got you get well, you gotta shape it, which is

902
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 1: harder to do with today's ball. Yeah, it's harder to

903
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 1: hit shots because spin enough.

904
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 2: That's I noticed with all the you know, like the

905
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:42,800
Speaker 2: famous shots from nineteen ninety nine versus the famous shots

906
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 2: from like twenty seventeen, you don't see any All the

907
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:50,240
Speaker 2: shots today are just these towering you know, three woods

908
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:50,840
Speaker 2: or irons.

909
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:52,720
Speaker 1: Right, it's dead straight like.

910
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 2: Versus the recovery shot.

911
00:43:56,200 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 1: But there's a pretty big caveat here. And I think

912
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 1: is that's not talked about, and the professional golfers of

913
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 1: today are taking advantage or figuring out, what do I

914
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 1: need to do to be successful. If tomorrow they decided

915
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 1: to completely to shorten the golf ball and make it

916
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:20,359
Speaker 1: spinnier and make driving accuracy and distance control the most

917
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 1: important thing in golf, and they could do those things,

918
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 1: you wouldn't be any good After a couple of years.

919
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 1: The same guys at the unpopped, Yeah they So I

920
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 1: do think, yeah, because the best players figure this out.

921
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 1: Best players are the best players for a reason. So

922
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 1: you know, back in the day when Tiger and Phil

923
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 1: it's driving when they weren't driving it great, if driving

924
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 1: accuracy were the most important thing in golf. Those guys

925
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 1: would have had a totally different style of play and

926
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 1: still be the best players. They've adapted themselves and figured

927
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,760
Speaker 1: out the best way to be competitive under these circumstances.

928
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 1: And the great players do that. So some of this stuff,

929
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 1: to me, some of this stuff to be is a

930
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 1: little cringe wordy. When I hear about the way the

931
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 1: game has played today, well that's that's a chicken an

932
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:06,240
Speaker 1: egg issue, and I don't I think it's very unfair

933
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:08,840
Speaker 1: to today's top players to say, well, the ball and

934
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:10,839
Speaker 1: this and that and the other thing. Well that they

935
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 1: they're playing the equipment that they've been given and figured

936
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 1: out the best way to be competitive with that equipment,

937
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:20,919
Speaker 1: and so to say that that equipment is why they're good,

938
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 1: I think is a completely wrong. I think it's the

939
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 1: other way around. These guys are great players, and the

940
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 1: figure they have to be the best with the equipment,

941
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 1: and today's says that Jack Nicholas were playing today, he'd

942
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 1: be playing like those guys.

943
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think TrackMan is underrated in it too, because

944
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:39,359
Speaker 2: it's taught everybody how to, you know, get to where

945
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 2: they're perfectly optimized.

946
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:43,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, can I'm sure it does. I mean I've never

947
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:46,400
Speaker 1: done that. I like what Dustin does with track memory.

948
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 1: He optimizes distance, yea, he figures out how far to

949
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 1: hit each shot. He's turned into the best short iron

950
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,359
Speaker 1: the ledge player in the world from the fair way.

951
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 1: You know, cor the stats and and that says, that's

952
00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 1: got to be pretty scary if you're Barry macroy and

953
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 1: h's where he is and he turns into a great

954
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 1: player from one hundred and fifty yards. But again, I

955
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 1: think it does a disservice to our top players. And

956
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 1: I think that there it's just that they're not there

957
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 1: because of the equipment. They're there because they're the best players.

958
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 1: And don't under don't go over and forget that.

959
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 2: So I want to get you out of here. We

960
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 2: had some some listener questions. I wanted to get to

961
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 2: real quick. Okay, Sean Martin, friend of the pod, and

962
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,360
Speaker 2: you know, a long time golf writer wants to know

963
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:33,400
Speaker 2: your best story from days as a substitute teacher.

964
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 1: Wow, I mean, you can't repeat those. Do you have secrets?

965
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 1: And we'll keep teaching stays in substitute teaching, I can remember,

966
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 1: I remember the luckiest thing I can remember as lucky.

967
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 1: I got lucky. One time, as I told the story,

968
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 1: I was working a seventh grade pe class and some

969
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:55,799
Speaker 1: kid behind was you just I'm trying to take roles.

970
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 1: I can roll out some basketball so they can do

971
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:00,080
Speaker 1: whatever they want to do for half an hour. And

972
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 1: so it's in p He's always chaotic and trying to

973
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 1: just to get that they have assistant. He's stand in

974
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:06,799
Speaker 1: a number of whatever numbers aren't standing on that to

975
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:10,799
Speaker 1: Mark Abson and uh, this kid was behind me while

976
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 1: I'm taking roll and he had his jim shorts, you know,

977
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 1: down around his thighs and his shirt tucked it and

978
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 1: he was dancing and whatnot. It's a long story. Hope

979
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 1: you have time, and I hope you and kids are

980
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:23,760
Speaker 1: kids are giggling and whatnot. And and I finally figure

981
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 1: out and I go, hey, you could stop like an

982
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 1: idy and get out your number. And he goes, hey,

983
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 1: you can't call me an idiot, he says to me.

984
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 1: I go, well, I can call you. And I said,

985
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:33,319
Speaker 1: you're actually like an idiot, but get on your number,

986
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 1: and he goes, well, he started giving me a lip

987
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 1: about it. I say, hey, look, you know I don't care.

988
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 1: Once you head on down to the office. I'll just

989
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 1: mark the absent and you can have your You can

990
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 1: deal with it tomorrow. It's not my problem. And so

991
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 1: I sent him off to the office and goes to

992
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 1: the office and I finished role and finished the class,

993
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 1: and you have to go back down to the school.

994
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:52,319
Speaker 1: Let me grab a little car. Did you sign out?

995
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:55,439
Speaker 1: And that's how they know you were there? And nobody

996
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 1: signed me out and the principal wasn't none on my card.

997
00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 1: Then go talk to the principal. You know on I

998
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 1: don't need to go to the principal's office too. I

999
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 1: did that when I was a kid. I don't need

1000
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:06,359
Speaker 1: to do it now. And so I walk in there

1001
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 1: and he goes, hey, did you send a kid down here,

1002
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 1: saying yeah, I did, and he goes he said, you

1003
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 1: called hi an idiot, and I go, well, no, I

1004
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:14,360
Speaker 1: did so, I said, I said, he's actually an idiot,

1005
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 1: and he goes, well, we don't want he starts going

1006
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 1: in and we don't like to use that kind of language

1007
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 1: with her, which might be reasonable. Well I know, and

1008
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 1: I go ahead, you know this is he's addiction. He

1009
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 1: has a dictionary on his desk and I go open

1010
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 1: a dictionary and look up the word idiot, and he

1011
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 1: started looking at me. He just do it, and he so,

1012
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 1: and I don't know what it's going to say. So

1013
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 1: I said, this is I explained to him what his

1014
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 1: student was doing. And he had Jimmy shorts down around

1015
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:46,239
Speaker 1: his knees and his shirt tucked in and he was

1016
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 1: dancing like whatever behind me. Yeah, again, he looks up it.

1017
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 1: I go, what's the first word under idiot? Now, I

1018
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:54,439
Speaker 1: don't know, I have no idea what it's going to say.

1019
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 1: And the thing it says is buffoon, which is just

1020
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 1: stupid luck. It's a dumb luck on my part. And

1021
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 1: so I go, look, I don't know what kind of

1022
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 1: school you're running here where you think it's okay to

1023
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:08,799
Speaker 1: act your students to act like that. But you know,

1024
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:10,360
Speaker 1: if you don't want me again, they have they have

1025
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:14,439
Speaker 1: a massive shortage of substitute teachers. They probably still do today.

1026
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 1: And if you don't want me coming back here and teaching

1027
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 1: your classes, I'll be more than happy to tell them

1028
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 1: enough to send me here anymore. You know, I'm moren't

1029
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 1: happy to tell all the other substitute teachers don't begun

1030
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 1: there either, And they kind of looked at me, looked

1031
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 1: at the dictionary, looked at me, signed the card and said, no,

1032
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:28,400
Speaker 1: I think we're okay. But I was try the luckiest thing.

1033
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:30,239
Speaker 1: It's maybe one of the five luckiest things that's ever

1034
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 1: happened to me because I could have said anything and

1035
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:36,239
Speaker 1: it said buffoon that particular dictionary. I said, buffoon isn't

1036
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 1: exactly what he's acting like. Maybe you guys can do

1037
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 1: a better job of getting your kids to act better,

1038
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:41,319
Speaker 1: you know.

1039
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 2: I feel like buffoon needs to be used more in.

1040
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 1: The Yeah, it's a great word.

1041
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:49,360
Speaker 2: It is. I mean, it's quite if you call somebody

1042
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:50,920
Speaker 2: a buffoon is pretty insulting.

1043
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:52,360
Speaker 1: Yes it is.

1044
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 2: I agree, that's fine. So I DK in Massachusetts wants

1045
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 2: to know, wants you to rank w reck Park, Skylinks

1046
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 2: and El Dorado and uh and and best or worst.

1047
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I'm by reck Park's one of the

1048
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 1: great municipal courses, you know, the original Virginia Country Club

1049
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 1: and it's been around since the reck Park's been around

1050
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:22,399
Speaker 1: one hundred years almost, And I would I would argue

1051
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 1: reck Parks won a great minisalant off courses in the

1052
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 1: country about the world. So that's that's an obvious number

1053
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:29,759
Speaker 1: one Skyling's Eldon Rodders probably two in Skyland's three. They

1054
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:32,800
Speaker 1: redid Skylink, but for no apparent reason. The old Skylings

1055
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 1: used to be fun. They used to have a game

1056
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:36,439
Speaker 1: out there on Fridays. You go out and play and guys,

1057
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:37,839
Speaker 1: you know, you get a guy out there with you know,

1058
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 1: a six a sixteen pack of beer and a broken

1059
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:42,760
Speaker 1: for wood and seven irons and a putter and shoots

1060
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:45,440
Speaker 1: sixty five all day long. And it was a it

1061
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:48,279
Speaker 1: was a fun game to play with. And eld Roda

1062
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 1: was a good Eldorado. They've done a good job. You

1063
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 1: know what they've done that for for municipal golf courses.

1064
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:54,320
Speaker 1: You know, like my what I would say is you

1065
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:56,399
Speaker 1: go play. I haven't play Skylis much lately, but Elder

1066
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:59,360
Speaker 1: Rod of reck parker terrific condition. And consider they are

1067
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:01,279
Speaker 1: getting I don't know, I mean, I don't know your

1068
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 1: rounds of golf they get. They got to get one

1069
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 1: hundred thousand rounds a year there. It's amazing.

1070
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 2: It's it's a Recklar Red Parks iconic.

1071
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 1: Reck Park's iconic. Didn't like it.

1072
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 2: Reck Park. It's like Branchip Park produced a lot of

1073
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:15,720
Speaker 2: PGA Tour players.

1074
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 1: If I ask you, guys at Joe John Merrick, you

1075
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:20,800
Speaker 1: know you go back to the Jamie Mulligan deal. I

1076
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 1: wouldn't surprise if Patrick Cantley played Summer Reck Park growing up,

1077
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,759
Speaker 1: you know. And then there's a story that hasn't you know,

1078
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 1: it's starting to get told. Well, what Patrick Cantlay did

1079
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:30,759
Speaker 1: last year? Get a tolling off on a tangent about

1080
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:33,719
Speaker 1: Long Beach. Here's the guy who took off, didn't play

1081
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 1: for four years and injuries and whatnot. You know, had

1082
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 1: his best friend and caddy died in his arms, and

1083
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:43,439
Speaker 1: you hit by a car. Show up last year, played

1084
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:46,799
Speaker 1: twelve events, make twelve cuts, make Tour Championship and then

1085
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 1: win the second start. So he lost fourteen events, He's

1086
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 1: made fourteen cuts as a win Tour Championship. I mean,

1087
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 1: how many guys in the history of the sport could

1088
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:59,400
Speaker 1: have taken four years off between twenty one and twenty

1089
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:03,239
Speaker 1: five and then the tour championship in twelve starts. I

1090
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 1: can think of about three Nicholas and Wood and maybe

1091
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:08,479
Speaker 1: Holding get hit by a boss in one three major.

1092
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 1: So I got to give him some Very few people

1093
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:13,799
Speaker 1: could have ever accomplished that, and I don't know that

1094
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 1: that story is being told. Then he won obviously won

1095
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 1: at Las Vegas here in the in the fall. I mean,

1096
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:23,479
Speaker 1: this guy, this kid is unbelievably good. I mean I've played,

1097
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 1: I played with him and a few times and it's

1098
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:28,840
Speaker 1: he's better. He's he he just went out and playing

1099
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:31,440
Speaker 1: with us at Virginia. He's better than I ever was,

1100
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:36,799
Speaker 1: and and talking about a limitless expectations. That guy's going

1101
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 1: to be a really good player for a really long time.

1102
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hope he stays healthy. I did this article

1103
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 2: last year.

1104
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:44,919
Speaker 1: It's a lot of work.

1105
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:48,359
Speaker 2: The uh. I did this article twenty five the top

1106
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 2: twenty five Americans under twenty five. And I was going

1107
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 2: through it and I, you know, I haven't, you know,

1108
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:57,400
Speaker 2: play an amateur golf. You remember Patrick Cantley, you know,

1109
00:52:57,560 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 2: like and I saw he was still twenty four. I

1110
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 2: was like, he's got to be in this top twenty five.

1111
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 2: And then he came back. I was so excited. But

1112
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 2: people forget, like, you know, like this was a guy

1113
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 2: that completely overshadowed speed at that at that same age,

1114
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 2: like you know, like it was Patrick Cantley. I mean

1115
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 2: what he did when he was nineteen, was out of

1116
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 2: this world. I I I'm really excited if you know,

1117
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 2: if we can get you know, ten great years of

1118
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 2: Patrick Cantley, I'd be really awesome. I love his doing

1119
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:29,759
Speaker 2: on the course too.

1120
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:31,439
Speaker 1: He's got a good plan. He's got a good plan

1121
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:34,319
Speaker 1: about hisself, and you know, him and Jamie really worked

1122
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:36,720
Speaker 1: hard and done a lot. You know, it's it's obviously

1123
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 1: you know, I'm a big Jamie Mulligan fan. Who's his teacher,

1124
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 1: And Jamie Mulligan has taken three kids basically high school kids,

1125
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:48,359
Speaker 1: made him tour players. There's everything. I understand that. Butch

1126
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 1: Harmon's a great teacher. But he made Tiger Woods better. Well,

1127
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:53,799
Speaker 1: I think I could make Tiger Woods better, can't.

1128
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 2: You know?

1129
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:57,439
Speaker 1: He took John Merrick, Patrick Cantley, John Mallinger. These guys

1130
00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 1: were just high school kids slash college kids, just kind

1131
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 1: of especially American, can't way it's just kids. Junior programs

1132
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:08,280
Speaker 1: at their club turned them into tour players and tour winners.

1133
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 1: Now that's unprecedented in my opinion.

1134
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's I feel like, yeah, that that is a

1135
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 2: story that probably should be.

1136
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 1: Told and then we won't say what what Jamie's done

1137
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:24,400
Speaker 1: for John Cook and Luke List and Peter Thomas Ulo myself.

1138
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a long list of people who have

1139
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 1: worked with Luke. Luke List worked with him for a

1140
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:30,359
Speaker 1: year and once my guy struggling to keep his card.

1141
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:31,879
Speaker 1: He had a great year last year, and I expect

1142
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 1: he's gonna have a great year this year.

1143
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 2: Yeah he I mean, he was a like a top

1144
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 2: twenty machine last year.

1145
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 1: And yeah, he's a he's a really good player.

1146
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 2: He he hits it so far as such a you know,

1147
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:45,800
Speaker 2: it's like that's a guy with a ton of potential.

1148
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:47,440
Speaker 2: Let's say, you know, you look at a guy that

1149
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 2: could win five times in two three years and definitely one.

1150
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:53,360
Speaker 1: Jamie's got another guy, Max Homo, he's worked with is

1151
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:54,280
Speaker 1: a really good player.

1152
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:57,920
Speaker 2: He's uh, he's a funny guy, just from following them

1153
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:02,879
Speaker 2: on Twitter. So we do this thing. We won't get

1154
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 2: you out of here, so you don't know, we don't

1155
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:07,799
Speaker 2: take up too much of your time. We do this

1156
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:11,799
Speaker 2: overrated underrated. So it's just a question. You gotta say

1157
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 2: overrated or underrated. There's no properly rated.

1158
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:21,920
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, mock Turtlenecks, way underrated.

1159
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 2: I'm you know what, they might be ripped down so

1160
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:31,719
Speaker 2: much that they could be underrated.

1161
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:35,319
Speaker 1: Another way underrated. They're very comfortable, they are, especially if

1162
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:37,440
Speaker 1: you guys don't have especially guys who don't have shoulders

1163
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:38,320
Speaker 1: and big necks.

1164
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:46,720
Speaker 2: All right now that Furik posted fifty eight is fifty

1165
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 2: nine watch overrated? And this is from Derek Goss.

1166
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:56,800
Speaker 1: Yes, the overrated. Yeah, over the fifty nine watches overrated.

1167
00:55:57,120 --> 00:55:58,719
Speaker 1: I would think that they sent enough of them there

1168
00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 1: and fifty eight change things little, but sure.

1169
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:03,799
Speaker 2: Somebody else if somebody asked us, and I forgot to

1170
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:08,080
Speaker 2: write down who was more pissed after your fifty nine

1171
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:11,799
Speaker 2: stricker that he wasn't leading after shooting sixty or you

1172
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:14,360
Speaker 2: that you were only leading by one after that?

1173
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:17,759
Speaker 1: To me, it had been me. I mean I woke

1174
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:20,319
Speaker 1: up next morning with the Starbucks, came back turning theater

1175
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 1: and I was three back. He was not leading the

1176
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:25,840
Speaker 1: turnam that was three back. He almost hold it on

1177
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:27,400
Speaker 1: the last hole too. I think he columns caught the

1178
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 1: edge of the hole almost hold it for fifty nine

1179
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 1: the last hole with like a long iron or something that.

1180
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:34,479
Speaker 2: Was during his run there where it was.

1181
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 1: Hey one over here, I mean beating stricker. John Deere

1182
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:39,239
Speaker 1: was like beating Tiger Firestone, you.

1183
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:42,920
Speaker 2: Know, between him and Zach Johnson. It was those guys.

1184
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:46,719
Speaker 2: That golf course just Taylor made for that. I mean

1185
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:47,840
Speaker 2: their local agree.

1186
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:49,480
Speaker 1: It's uh yeah, I agree.

1187
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:51,840
Speaker 2: But that's an example, not a long course.

1188
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:55,120
Speaker 1: No. And again that golf course if you played there

1189
00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 1: in the fall. We played there right in the middle

1190
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:57,919
Speaker 1: of summer where they can't get it firm. We played

1191
00:56:57,920 --> 00:56:59,160
Speaker 1: there in the fall when they got firms. Would to

1192
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 1: see the scoring like that. It's a better golf course

1193
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:03,120
Speaker 1: than that. It's just there so you can't play everywhere

1194
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 1: at the perfect time of year.

1195
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:08,319
Speaker 2: I grew up and we'd have like tournaments in October there.

1196
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:10,640
Speaker 2: It was tough, especially cold.

1197
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, it gets firm. It's not that easy.

1198
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, cold and wendy and firm. That place has teeth,

1199
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:22,480
Speaker 2: right all right. The last last one from al Pandera

1200
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 2: the button, the top button, butting the top button of

1201
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 2: your shirt.

1202
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 1: Mm hmm overrated, under it, way underrated. I mean again,

1203
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 1: that's that button is there for a reason, isn't it.

1204
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:38,400
Speaker 1: I mean I never again when you have a big

1205
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:40,960
Speaker 1: knack and I have like a nineteen inch nineteen in

1206
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 1: the quarter atch neck. I make dress shirts, so if

1207
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 1: I don't button the top button my shirt, I need

1208
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:48,600
Speaker 1: to have a gold chain to play. But sure it

1209
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:50,760
Speaker 1: would be the collar would be so play. That's why

1210
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 1: I do it. There's a caller. I mean, I don't

1211
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 1: have I don't if I had like a little neck

1212
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:57,000
Speaker 1: and the buttons just stay right there. But if I

1213
00:57:57,040 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 1: don't button that button, my whole shirt opens up like

1214
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 1: you know, a nineteen seventies disco dancer.

1215
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:07,440
Speaker 2: See, that's an interesting perspective. I am so anti the

1216
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 2: top button, but I have a skinny knack.

1217
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:13,480
Speaker 1: Right, So it wouldn't make sense for you when I

1218
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:13,840
Speaker 1: do it.

1219
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 2: I'm my god, this just doesn't This would never look right.

1220
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 1: But I'm not the only person does. Somebody else is

1221
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:21,680
Speaker 1: doing it now too. I don't know who. There. I

1222
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:23,160
Speaker 1: thought there's a somebody else that done it.

1223
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 2: Bubba does it, and there you go. I mean Daval

1224
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:30,200
Speaker 2: did it for a while, Tiger did it for a while. Yeah,

1225
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:32,600
Speaker 2: of course that's some good company.

1226
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:36,560
Speaker 1: Devall and Tiger exactly. Buba Bubba's one two Masters talk

1227
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:39,080
Speaker 1: about over the Masters is the most overrated golf tournament

1228
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:39,480
Speaker 1: in the world.

1229
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:43,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do you think that has to do with

1230
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:46,520
Speaker 2: them playing the same course every single year.

1231
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:47,920
Speaker 1: I think that has a lot to do with I

1232
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 1: think it has to do with I think Augustus only

1233
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:54,800
Speaker 1: is the smartest, for the four Majors are the smartest people.

1234
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:59,040
Speaker 1: They make the show, the golf course, you know, the

1235
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:02,760
Speaker 1: USGA makes the sh show par and you know, but

1236
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:05,840
Speaker 1: they do such a great job that they have no problem.

1237
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:08,840
Speaker 1: They love. As a matter of fact, when when again

1238
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:11,520
Speaker 1: Nicholas shoots sixty five and making eagles the last day

1239
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:15,320
Speaker 1: and making hitting good shots and being nobody rewards good

1240
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:18,720
Speaker 1: play more than Augusta National on Sunday, no tournament and

1241
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:21,680
Speaker 1: they do. So there's so there's nothing. It's the it's

1242
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:24,920
Speaker 1: the most underrated telecast. But from a tournament standpoint, to me,

1243
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:29,200
Speaker 1: it's it's overrated. But they do such a great job

1244
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:32,640
Speaker 1: of creating drama with their golf course. They aren't trying

1245
00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:34,880
Speaker 1: to make it play the hardest on Sunday. They're trying

1246
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:37,280
Speaker 1: to make it play the most exciting on Sunday, And

1247
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:40,600
Speaker 1: every other tournament misses that. Every tournament misses that. They're

1248
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:42,680
Speaker 1: always talking about Sunday pins, with the Sunday pins of

1249
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:44,360
Speaker 1: the gusts that are a lot of the easiest ones

1250
00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:49,080
Speaker 1: they're in like the Fun Team eighteen sixteen, eighteen's in

1251
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:52,280
Speaker 1: the bowl, but in seventeen's in a very difficult spot

1252
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:53,920
Speaker 1: where you make a mistake. It's a problem that they do.

1253
00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:57,560
Speaker 1: They're they're set up, they have they have perfected golf

1254
00:59:57,600 --> 00:59:59,680
Speaker 1: course set up, in my opinion from a whole location

1255
00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:04,000
Speaker 1: stand point, perfected it and nobody else does that.

1256
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:07,760
Speaker 2: Well, the players is starting. You know that the PGA

1257
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:09,600
Speaker 2: Tour has done such a smart thing with the players

1258
01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:13,040
Speaker 2: having it at Sawgrass year and year out, because now

1259
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:16,400
Speaker 2: when you come down the stretch of everybody knows what's

1260
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:20,800
Speaker 2: coming versus when you play, you know, a US Open

1261
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:24,320
Speaker 2: at you know Aaron Hills or Chambers Bay, nobody, nobody.

1262
01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:27,000
Speaker 1: Has a clue what's going at right, right and again.

1263
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:28,960
Speaker 1: But the USA is trying to make us j is

1264
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:31,960
Speaker 1: trying and also would never stick the pin. If the

1265
01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:35,440
Speaker 1: USJA ran the US Open at at Augusta National on

1266
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:39,480
Speaker 1: sixteen on Sunday, the pin wouldn't be there, so you

1267
01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:42,000
Speaker 1: wouldn't see all the drama. The tiger Woods chip, in

1268
01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:44,640
Speaker 1: which one of the greatst iconic shots in golf when

1269
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:48,280
Speaker 1: he beat the marc Up. You know, Nicholas almost hold

1270
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:51,480
Speaker 1: it there in eighty six when he won, they wouldn't

1271
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 1: put the pin. They put the pin back right, and

1272
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:55,920
Speaker 1: everybody making double and everybody kind of going, okay. You

1273
01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:58,360
Speaker 1: know the year I played, the year that Zach shot,

1274
01:00:58,560 --> 01:00:59,880
Speaker 1: I think it was Zac shot. One of the part

1275
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:02,000
Speaker 1: won the tournament taking a lay from Zach. But I'm

1276
01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:04,520
Speaker 1: sure the ratings weren't as good. Then you get bad

1277
01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:06,720
Speaker 1: weather and over par wins a gust, it's not as good.

1278
01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:09,880
Speaker 1: And you know when you get fifteen hunder par and

1279
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:11,520
Speaker 1: you get a guy, you know birding, you know, Birdie

1280
01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:14,200
Speaker 1: in the last holes to win that people love that stuff.

1281
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:15,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good finish.

1282
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:19,400
Speaker 1: It's like and it's not like everyone's doing it either,

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Speaker 1: gus that spread it out on Sunday, you get two

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01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:23,479
Speaker 1: or three guys in a chance to win. It's there's

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01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:25,680
Speaker 1: plenty of guys shooting seventy five on Sunday, whether guys

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01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:26,720
Speaker 1: are shooting sixty five.

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Speaker 2: So you know, last question, if one one course that

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Speaker 2: never hosts tournaments that you'd love to see, say, say

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Speaker 2: the PGA Championship could go anywhere and this is you know,

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Speaker 2: and they didn't have to worry about grand stands or anything,

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Speaker 2: and it would be the permanent host of the PGA Championship.

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Speaker 2: Where would you go with it?

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Speaker 1: To me, the best golf course I've played is pie Valley,

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01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:55,959
Speaker 1: and I think it bes again. I think Pine Valley

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01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:59,760
Speaker 1: would be very similar to Augusta National. I think you'd

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Speaker 1: see the low score, lower scores than you'd expect. You know,

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Speaker 1: ten or fifteen under might win the tournament. But I

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01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:09,040
Speaker 1: think even parking finished, you know, six or seven, so

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Speaker 1: it's spread things out. Guys would get rewarded for good

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01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:14,840
Speaker 1: shots and penalized for bad shots. So that's literally what

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Speaker 1: we're looking for. And the USh tends to tends to

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01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:20,600
Speaker 1: penalize bad shots and good shots at the times gust

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01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:24,200
Speaker 1: that very rarely does Augustine National penali is a bad shot,

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01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:28,080
Speaker 1: I mean a good shot, very rarely. And Pine Valley's

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01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:29,840
Speaker 1: like that. Pine Valley tends if you out and play good,

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01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:31,120
Speaker 1: you can shoot a good score there. I know that,

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01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:33,640
Speaker 1: you know. But if you don't play well, man, you

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01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:35,880
Speaker 1: can shoot a million there, and I mean a million,

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01:02:36,600 --> 01:02:39,000
Speaker 1: And I like that. I think another calf course is

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01:02:39,080 --> 01:02:41,200
Speaker 1: like that, though maybe again the equipment may have changed

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01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:44,560
Speaker 1: the cyper's point to the golf course that if you

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01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:46,040
Speaker 1: play good you can shoot seven or eight in a

1313
01:02:46,040 --> 01:02:47,720
Speaker 1: part you played that you shoot eighty in a hurry.

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01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:53,280
Speaker 1: And that's that's that's a great thing about golf. Too

1315
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:57,120
Speaker 1: many golf courses are today we've gotten into this golf

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01:02:57,120 --> 01:02:58,880
Speaker 1: course have gone hardware. Good round is seventy and a

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01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:00,480
Speaker 1: bad round in the ninety five of the teak out

1318
01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:02,000
Speaker 1: pursh where a good round with sixty five and the

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01:03:02,040 --> 01:03:03,080
Speaker 1: bad round seventy five.

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01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:07,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's I I agree, I agree, I like. I

1321
01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:09,400
Speaker 2: love golf courses that allow you.

1322
01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:13,760
Speaker 1: Augusta does that a great job of that for the pros.

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01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:18,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's uh, we're on the same page there, I

1324
01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:21,960
Speaker 2: I that's I'm excited to see Trinity for us. You know,

1325
01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:25,160
Speaker 2: modern designed by you know, a great architect. That's I

1326
01:03:25,160 --> 01:03:28,000
Speaker 2: think what's kind of lacking with the you know, it's

1327
01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:30,440
Speaker 2: the explosion in the driving distance is that you know,

1328
01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:32,840
Speaker 2: you know some of the golf course you know playing

1329
01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:36,040
Speaker 2: but you know these guys don't design golf courses for

1330
01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:38,120
Speaker 2: them for the PGA Tour pro you know.

1331
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:40,000
Speaker 1: So that's right. We need more of that too. We

1332
01:03:40,040 --> 01:03:42,560
Speaker 1: have too many golf plerses being designed for pros and

1333
01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:45,760
Speaker 1: not enough golf courses being designed for the everyday player. Yeah,

1334
01:03:46,120 --> 01:03:49,800
Speaker 1: this concept of seventeen sets of teas to me as

1335
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:51,680
Speaker 1: bad for our game, not good for our game. It

1336
01:03:51,720 --> 01:03:54,720
Speaker 1: takes away from the what's great about our sport is

1337
01:03:54,720 --> 01:03:56,360
Speaker 1: that everyone kind of played the same course. And the

1338
01:03:56,440 --> 01:03:59,560
Speaker 1: golf ball has effected that a little bit. But we don't,

1339
01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:02,600
Speaker 1: you know, we golfers should have three or four, three

1340
01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:05,240
Speaker 1: sets of teas, and they should have a front, metal

1341
01:04:05,240 --> 01:04:06,960
Speaker 1: and back and that's all you really should knee and

1342
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:08,360
Speaker 1: if you need more than that, then maybe get to

1343
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:11,160
Speaker 1: look at your design and not necessarily look at the

1344
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:14,920
Speaker 1: figure out how to make tolls longer.

1345
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:18,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I figure out how to make them wider.

1346
01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:22,840
Speaker 1: Again, I get again. I told this to Fell and

1347
01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:27,080
Speaker 1: you didn't that tight had this conversation that the biggest deturn,

1348
01:04:27,240 --> 01:04:29,840
Speaker 1: you know, rough to me is the worst hazards in golf,

1349
01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:34,000
Speaker 1: and it just penalizes, you know, if you get a

1350
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:35,800
Speaker 1: golf first like the US Open, and you can go

1351
01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:38,880
Speaker 1: twenty yard white fairways and knee deep rough that favors

1352
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:42,760
Speaker 1: long hitters but does not favorite short hitters because everybody

1353
01:04:42,840 --> 01:04:44,520
Speaker 1: drives in the rough. And I figure long and the rough.

1354
01:04:44,520 --> 01:04:45,960
Speaker 1: You mightley get it up by the green, but you're

1355
01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:48,280
Speaker 1: short in the rough of chipping out. So I always

1356
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:50,760
Speaker 1: thought that if you really wanted to make it fairy again,

1357
01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:53,200
Speaker 1: I think trees are great urns. I think dog legs

1358
01:04:53,200 --> 01:04:58,080
Speaker 1: are a real dog legs are great deterrence, and again

1359
01:04:58,160 --> 01:05:00,840
Speaker 1: wind and then firmness and then angles, you know, forcing

1360
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:02,520
Speaker 1: players to hit the ball on the pick a line

1361
01:05:02,520 --> 01:05:03,800
Speaker 1: and hit it on that line. If you don't, you

1362
01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:06,600
Speaker 1: gotta pentalized and hitting at the right distance. That's how

1363
01:05:06,600 --> 01:05:09,640
Speaker 1: you make the game harder as supposed to. Just let

1364
01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:12,080
Speaker 1: me tell you something, and from an architecturals, now, I

1365
01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:14,280
Speaker 1: don't mean that if you have a five hundred and

1366
01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:17,440
Speaker 1: twenty yard part four that's difficult. All you need is

1367
01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:19,360
Speaker 1: a tee a fair way in the green. You don't

1368
01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:22,360
Speaker 1: need anything else to make a three hundred and thirty

1369
01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:25,480
Speaker 1: yard part four difficult. You actually need some imaginations skill

1370
01:05:27,240 --> 01:05:29,600
Speaker 1: And take the fourteenth hole at Nearfield Village, one of

1371
01:05:29,600 --> 01:05:33,280
Speaker 1: the great short part fours in golf. Jack did a

1372
01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:35,200
Speaker 1: good job of thinking you hit the ball on the

1373
01:05:35,240 --> 01:05:38,320
Speaker 1: right line the right distance. Twelve all against the National

1374
01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:41,240
Speaker 1: is a perfect example of that. Anybody could make the

1375
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:43,520
Speaker 1: a two hundred and fifty yard part three hard. It's

1376
01:05:43,560 --> 01:05:45,959
Speaker 1: not that difficult. You just need tea in the green.

1377
01:05:46,080 --> 01:05:48,680
Speaker 1: That's it. You know, it could be anything. It's going

1378
01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:52,200
Speaker 1: to play difficult. It's making the short one that the

1379
01:05:52,200 --> 01:05:54,600
Speaker 1: one where everyone can play difficult. The challenge is good

1380
01:05:54,600 --> 01:05:57,320
Speaker 1: players and allows bad players to play. That's the skill

1381
01:05:57,320 --> 01:06:00,880
Speaker 1: in architecture that we seem to be losing a little bit.

1382
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:05,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I bang that. I talk about narrow

1383
01:06:05,560 --> 01:06:10,040
Speaker 2: fairways and and favoring the long hitters so much. You know,

1384
01:06:10,520 --> 01:06:13,560
Speaker 2: if you miss the fairways like the twenty yard wide faaraway,

1385
01:06:13,560 --> 01:06:15,560
Speaker 2: everybody's gonna miss a handful of times.

1386
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:20,320
Speaker 1: Well again, the straightest driver on tour it's about ten

1387
01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:23,480
Speaker 1: out of fourteen faraways, and the most crooked driver on

1388
01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:28,680
Speaker 1: tour hits about seven. Yeah, that's and the three fairways.

1389
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:30,800
Speaker 2: I think that's why you saw so much good, so

1390
01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:33,800
Speaker 2: much variety at Aaron Hills was because these faraways were

1391
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:36,520
Speaker 2: wide and guys could go out and hit twelve fairways.

1392
01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:38,720
Speaker 1: But I thought it was a good turn. And the

1393
01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:41,200
Speaker 1: USJ doesn't like those kinds of scoring. I think, did

1394
01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:43,880
Speaker 1: he shoot fifteen when he shot there? A pretty decent

1395
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:48,960
Speaker 1: under four but again I think we've That's where the

1396
01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:52,160
Speaker 1: us J is wrong, is that that score is the champion.

1397
01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:54,360
Speaker 1: It wasn't hard to figure out who the best player

1398
01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:58,360
Speaker 1: that week was, and to me, that means you've done

1399
01:06:58,440 --> 01:07:02,160
Speaker 1: your goal. And when Rory got sixteen hundred Congressional, it

1400
01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:03,920
Speaker 1: wasn't hard to figure out who. It's not like some

1401
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:07,600
Speaker 1: flukey guy who didn't. He deserved to win, and you can,

1402
01:07:07,640 --> 01:07:09,320
Speaker 1: you can. You guys are into this. You go back,

1403
01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:13,680
Speaker 1: and the lower the score is relation to par, almost invariably,

1404
01:07:13,720 --> 01:07:17,560
Speaker 1: the more worthy the champion was. You know, when two

1405
01:07:17,560 --> 01:07:19,640
Speaker 1: over par wins the Overville Moody ones, when eight under

1406
01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:22,840
Speaker 1: part wins, Jack Nicholas wins, that's a great point and

1407
01:07:24,320 --> 01:07:26,360
Speaker 1: we Augusta does it again. I hate to say this,

1408
01:07:26,440 --> 01:07:29,080
Speaker 1: A Guesta does a great job with that too. But

1409
01:07:29,320 --> 01:07:32,160
Speaker 1: when you see really low scores in major championships, a

1410
01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:34,280
Speaker 1: lot of times it's Tiger Woods and Jack Nicholas and

1411
01:07:34,320 --> 01:07:39,200
Speaker 1: guys okay, Rory McElroy, Jordan Speed. Mean, I think this

1412
01:07:39,840 --> 01:07:43,480
Speaker 1: Kupka guy and he pronounces name, this guy holy, he

1413
01:07:43,520 --> 01:07:46,280
Speaker 1: can really apply. Man, he's gonna win a lot of

1414
01:07:46,280 --> 01:07:47,200
Speaker 1: major championships.

1415
01:07:47,240 --> 01:07:51,880
Speaker 2: I would guess, Yeah, he he's got a lot of game.

1416
01:07:52,040 --> 01:07:52,720
Speaker 2: There's that much.

1417
01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:53,800
Speaker 1: He has a lot of games.

1418
01:07:53,920 --> 01:07:56,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, he hits the great, he puts well, and he

1419
01:07:56,840 --> 01:07:58,880
Speaker 2: chips well, it's not like there's any holes.

1420
01:07:59,240 --> 01:08:00,400
Speaker 1: So is known.

1421
01:08:01,640 --> 01:08:04,960
Speaker 2: Well, Hey paul I, I appreciate the time.

1422
01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:07,040
Speaker 1: And yeah, no problem, and.

1423
01:08:06,920 --> 01:08:10,600
Speaker 2: Uh I'll see you that. You guys got the senior

1424
01:08:10,640 --> 01:08:14,200
Speaker 2: players that of course. I uh I grew up playing

1425
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:19,720
Speaker 2: around and more. Yeah, old school Donald Ross course. So

1426
01:08:20,439 --> 01:08:22,639
Speaker 2: we'll see you out there next summer.

1427
01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:24,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, come find me

1428
01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:46,560
Speaker 2: All right, Thanks a lot, and thank you