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Speaker 4: And then it all he lost, like all of the

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Speaker 4: waters because of how much you.

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Speaker 5: Play games, you having to leave the field.

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Speaker 1: That game?

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Speaker 5: Yeah right, I mean that's you never had to take

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Speaker 1: I wonder if that translates because when you're in Miami,

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Speaker 1: I heard you could tease it down to eight and

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Speaker 1: you get six. What Peebo, Samuel, it's Trent Williams.

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Speaker 6: Is that one of these computers with information they started

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Speaker 1: And he's got his hands behind his head, laying there,

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Speaker 1: Connor McDermott.

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Speaker 1: All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday here

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Speaker 1: at Gillette Stadium.

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Speaker 6: What's so fun that Conor McDermott is really good?

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Speaker 5: It was that?

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Speaker 4: Is it going to be? Connor McDermott right? Tackle other girls?

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Speaker 1: Deep thoughts? Evan, what do you want for dinner?

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Speaker 3: What?

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Speaker 6: Sorry, he's just thinking about.

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Speaker 1: Are they gonna sign Kyle Duggar or let him go?

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Speaker 4: And he sounds hit.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, listen, we had a brief momentary, you know,

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Speaker 1: it didn't last very long.

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Speaker 3: I can't tell whether you're talking about the win over

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Speaker 1: Or because you were it's kind of both.

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Speaker 4: There's yeah, that's the play on words.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, our yeah, our good good times didn't

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Speaker 1: lasted last about a week and then we came back

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Speaker 1: to reality in Miami. I know a lot of people

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Speaker 1: stink in that game. But I also feel like, and

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Speaker 1: I said to this, Evan, and do this earlier, I

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Speaker 1: if everything had gone the Patriot's way, could they have

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Speaker 1: had a chance to win. Maybe, But like you know,

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Speaker 1: it was we were outplayed, outmanned. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think I think it's just the we've been

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Speaker 8: And I mean, I know Evan wrote along those lines

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Speaker 8: Everything has to go right and and and then they win.

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Speaker 1: You even won the turnover battle, yeah, in this one, right.

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Speaker 8: Well, even somebody you know, even a few things that

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Speaker 8: Like usually those things go wrong, but those things won't right.

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Speaker 8: But it's still because you can't make take advantage of

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Montez, sweatless, sweatless.

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Speaker 1: But I you know, for me, no sweat, no sweat

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Speaker 6: the Dolphins. But like offensively in particular, I saw things

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Speaker 4: And I just how is that those two things just

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Speaker 3: Needs a fresh start, like not here, but somewhere else.

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Speaker 8: Like philosophical question of when a quarterback gets to this point, like.

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Speaker 6: Talking about, you know, every every every Wednesday. He talks

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Speaker 6: we really got this Douglas thing going. Now let's so

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Speaker 6: And now it's second and fourteen, and immediately now the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we were saying right immediately afterwards, like it just

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the numbers he just never you know, just watching

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Speaker 3: He just can't can't mean to ahead like essentially no

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Speaker 4: Get I think the difference right now that's so stark

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Speaker 4: that's exactly what happened. And Mac had the same type

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Speaker 3: Right now, I feel like he can't trust anybody, like

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Speaker 1: He hasn't he hasn't had enough success doing what to

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Speaker 8: I feel for Billy oh I wonder what it's like,

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Speaker 6: There seems like this just such a fragility to everything

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Speaker 6: now it's a touchdown game. They probably feel like we're

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Speaker 1: If that's the Patriots. They had a lot of drop He.

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Speaker 8: Don't blink at mistakes like you just I mean, it's

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Speaker 8: like one holding call and they're like, well, there goes

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Speaker 6: It's like that holding call. Like remember that the the

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Speaker 6: might as well punt if that happens to the Patriots, right.

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Speaker 6: That's what it looked like to me.

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Speaker 4: it's not third and thirty, Like we're not We're not,

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Speaker 6: Hasn't thrown the ball twenty yards in the air. You mean, yeah, okay, he.

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Speaker 8: I mean, I can see why he's he's hesitating. I

436
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Speaker 8: just would I would, I would wonder, you know, he

437
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Speaker 8: is he just not seeing it?

438
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Speaker 5: Is he looking it off? Is he just not willing

439
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Speaker 5: to pull the trigger?

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Speaker 2: You know?

441
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Speaker 5: Like what why is.

442
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Speaker 4: Of like a bunch of those things. I think that

443
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Speaker 4: he has no trust in his arm talent none, And

444
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Speaker 4: so I think that the second that he feels like, oh,

445
00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,159
Speaker 4: you know, I gotta throw this to the from the

446
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Speaker 4: far hash into the sideline and like all the way

447
00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:07,280
Speaker 4: across the field, and like that's I can't do it.

448
00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:10,000
Speaker 4: That's not gonna get there. And then I think that

449
00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:13,520
Speaker 4: he he's just not seeing it quick enough or he's

450
00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:16,160
Speaker 4: sped up to the point where he's just canceling out

451
00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:19,239
Speaker 4: the downfield routes and immediately going to check downs. And

452
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Speaker 4: there was one thrower it was right from outside the

453
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Speaker 4: end zone after they recovered the fumble to start the

454
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Speaker 4: third quarter, DeVante Parker is just wide open on like

455
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Speaker 4: and he's he's beats Jalen Ramsey. He's wide open for

456
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Speaker 4: a touchdown and Mac, I don't even think look downfield.

457
00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:38,600
Speaker 4: He just immediately checked it down to Pop Douglas in

458
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Speaker 4: the flat. Didn't even bother hanging on.

459
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Speaker 1: The down What was happening around Mac?

460
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Speaker 4: I mean an NFL pocket, like you know.

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Speaker 1: I just I'm just wondering.

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Speaker 6: I think that. And I get your point, Fred, because

463
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Speaker 6: like you can look at the numbers and you can

464
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Speaker 6: sew well, you didn't have as much time. I don't

465
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Speaker 6: think there was really much difference between the offensive line

466
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Speaker 6: this week and last week. I think he sort of

467
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Speaker 6: holds the ball longer at times and created some of

468
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Speaker 6: the pressure. And I don't mean to have like they

469
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Speaker 6: have a lot of issues on offense, like they haven't

470
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Speaker 6: been able to run the ball all year either, you know,

471
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Speaker 6: and that's not his fault, but I do think that

472
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Speaker 6: he has sort of gone into one of those quarterbacks

473
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Speaker 6: that's really concerned about what's going on around him quickly.

474
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Speaker 6: And to Evan's point, and I've been saying this since

475
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Speaker 6: the like the heading into the Saints game, the way

476
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Speaker 6: that Dallas did it right away in that game, they

477
00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:35,679
Speaker 6: got pressure around him, they got the strip sack, and

478
00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:37,800
Speaker 6: he looked like he was spooked. The rest of the game.

479
00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:40,320
Speaker 6: Saints did the same thing. That would be my number

480
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Speaker 6: one goal every defense, every defense, I would send heat

481
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Speaker 6: after him early, get around him, make him get rid

482
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Speaker 6: of the ball. Even if you don't get there. He

483
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Speaker 6: might beat you once in a while, but even if

484
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Speaker 6: you don't get there, it seems to unsettle you.

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Speaker 1: It would help so much if he had even a

486
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Speaker 1: little bit of a threat of running. You know, when

487
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Speaker 1: things break down, he's gonna get five or six yards

488
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Speaker 1: with his legs.

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Speaker 5: At this point, he'd probably be just like, you don't

490
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Speaker 5: have to work.

491
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Speaker 1: You don't have But then but the other team doesn't

492
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Speaker 1: have to worry about that. Like even when he does run,

493
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:16,120
Speaker 1: he's so slow, so Paul.

494
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Speaker 4: You know you mentioned like getting pressure on him early.

495
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Speaker 4: So second drive of the game, third down and three,

496
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Speaker 4: I think it was they sent that blitz in your

497
00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:26,520
Speaker 4: first round. Guard whiffs on the freaking blitz again the

498
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:28,919
Speaker 4: second time that did fig Fangio has gotten him.

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Speaker 6: I was freaking blitz.

500
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Speaker 4: And so Mac actually gets the ball out to Ramandra Stevenson.

501
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:37,280
Speaker 4: But it's just no chance. But he has three times. Yeah, right,

502
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Speaker 4: he just has no chance. And and those are like

503
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Speaker 4: the things that I think Fangio did in this game

504
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Speaker 4: for sure, was like send some pressure early and he

505
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Speaker 4: knew that he could get cold strange. I just can't

506
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Speaker 4: roll my eyes more on the same freaking scheme, and

507
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,760
Speaker 4: they did, and that's exactly what happened. But I don't

508
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Speaker 4: mean to like pile on Mack either, because I feel

509
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Speaker 4: like I'm doing that. But I feel like that. You know,

510
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,000
Speaker 4: talk to like offensive coaches. They say, you know, offense

511
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:05,359
Speaker 4: personnel wise comes down to three things. You have to

512
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 4: have offensive line, skilled players, quarterback right. You need two

513
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Speaker 4: out of the three. You need two out of the

514
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Speaker 4: three to be above average to have a good offense,

515
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Speaker 4: and you can make up for some of the things

516
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Speaker 4: that are going on if the quarterback was better, right,

517
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Speaker 4: but the quarterback isn't better. So this collection of pieces

518
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 4: that the Patriots have is not good enough. Like it's

519
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:34,720
Speaker 4: just so whether you want to put that on Mac

520
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 4: or you want to say, well, beef up the line

521
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Speaker 4: and beef up the receivers and go that direction, like

522
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:44,919
Speaker 4: we've done that argument before too, but this combination of

523
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,119
Speaker 4: things is going to be the worst offense in the NFL.

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Speaker 3: I'm concerned that even if you gave him a beefed

525
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 3: up offensive line and good weapons around him, that what

526
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Speaker 3: if he still didn't see the field? What if he

527
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Speaker 3: still didn't get the ball.

528
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Speaker 1: Well, you would assume that because he has more time,

529
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Speaker 1: he he would look more, you know, but there's no

530
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:06,359
Speaker 1: guarantee in that. But you're just assuming that the reason

531
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Speaker 1: why he's not seeing the field is because he's only

532
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:09,960
Speaker 1: seeing the past.

533
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Speaker 3: Just like at this point, it's like it's the NFL.

534
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:15,119
Speaker 3: It's only getting faster faster and faster, and so like

535
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 3: people's defenses are just going to get better and better

536
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 3: and better, and it's like.

537
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Speaker 5: What are you going to do?

538
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Speaker 8: I know, I mean I've been along the lines of

539
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:23,880
Speaker 8: it's it's going to take a lot to for mac

540
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Speaker 8: not to at least be in the mix next year.

541
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Speaker 8: But right now, it's just each game you're starting to

542
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:30,719
Speaker 8: feel like he's he's really broken right now, and it's

543
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Speaker 8: I'm starting to wonder.

544
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Speaker 6: I don't think he's going to get traded by four.

545
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 4: Did he get traded.

546
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Speaker 8: I did see a report that him some Ezekiel Elliott

547
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:39,680
Speaker 8: interest out there.

548
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, one of one of our callers. And I don't

549
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,640
Speaker 1: know like who he is or where he gets his information.

550
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 1: J Schultz from He says his phone is blowing up

551
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,479
Speaker 1: with reports about getting traded.

552
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Speaker 4: All your group texts.

553
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 5: My phone blew up a little bit. But it's hard one.

554
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Speaker 5: They only have two running back on the roster.

555
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Speaker 6: I don't know how they and I mean I think

556
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Speaker 6: I think Zeke largely has come as advertised. He's been

557
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,160
Speaker 6: a good, complimentary.

558
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 4: Piece, great I could understand why a contender would want

559
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:13,360
Speaker 4: him as like a second running back. But another thing

560
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 4: that's been just bugging me the fact that they never

561
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,679
Speaker 4: got a third down back in this offense in the

562
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:25,200
Speaker 4: offseason is absolutely malpractice. Like the sact that everybody's saying

563
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 4: that DeVante Parker was open on which he wasn't like

564
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,919
Speaker 4: just stop, all right. He's standing there, he's staring at

565
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Speaker 4: Rimandre Stevenson, who has one on one with Bradley Chubb,

566
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Speaker 4: a pass rusher like that. That's a matchup that your

567
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 4: running back should be able to win in some space

568
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:42,719
Speaker 4: and get open for you the quarterback. And he's just

569
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Speaker 4: standing there holding the football, waiting for Remondre to break

570
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 4: and Remondre just kind of does like a little of

571
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Speaker 4: this and then just goes nowhere and Bradley Chubb just

572
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 4: swallows him up. And then Mac takes a sack.

573
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Speaker 6: And it's like when you're talking about first possession of

574
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Speaker 6: the third quarter when it took over and yeah, so

575
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Speaker 6: this is what will give you a peek inside the

576
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Speaker 6: postgame show. So that play happens, and Fred, I don't

577
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Speaker 6: know if you were watching the broadcast like you usually do,

578
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,359
Speaker 6: Adam Manta Letter immediately goes he's just got to let

579
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 6: the ball go. He's got DeVante Parker wide open here.

580
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,119
Speaker 6: That's why everybody is saying this. So they show the replay.

581
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 6: Now he comes across the field. There's zero there was

582
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 6: a zero excuse for him getting sacked. All he had

583
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Speaker 6: to do is throw it to Parker. I'm not even

584
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 6: positive he gets the first down. He was not quote

585
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 6: wide open. Now there's a guy window, you could put

586
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 6: it on him and then maybe Parker breaks a tackle,

587
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 6: you get the first down. But my point was just

588
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 6: that give it to him. Make it fourth and one.

589
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 6: If the kid comes up and makes a tackle, and

590
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 6: now you can go for it. You take a sack

591
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:49,639
Speaker 6: and you have to kick the field goal, just like

592
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 6: you cannot take the And I know, like the only

593
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 6: one that's talked about Stevenson on this play. I know

594
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Speaker 6: that like Tom Curran made a similar comment as you.

595
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Speaker 4: It's just like that to me on that particular play,

596
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:05,440
Speaker 4: like he made the right read like, yeah, his eyes

597
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 4: were in the right place on the play and by

598
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 4: the time he would make, you know, come off for

599
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 4: Andre to get to Parker, Parker's covered at that point.

600
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,639
Speaker 4: So it's like if he had started on Parker and

601
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 4: just like stared at it and didn't throw, then I

602
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 4: guess you could make that argument. But if you have,

603
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 4: you know, Bradley Chubb is in some space against James

604
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 4: White instead of Remondre Stevenson, that's probably a touchdown. Like

605
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 4: he probably shakes him at the top of the route

606
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 4: and runs away from him. But they don't have a

607
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,680
Speaker 4: player like that on this team, and they have two

608
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,639
Speaker 4: guys and Zeke and Ramandre who are just powerbacks trying

609
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 4: to catch the ball on third down. And it's just

610
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 4: like I there, they have no running back depth. So

611
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,719
Speaker 4: like these all these rumors about Zeke, okay, you can

612
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 4: play Kevin Harris like they have no depth at that position,

613
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 4: and they won't play and they won't play Time Montgomery

614
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 4: in the third down back role for some reason that

615
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Speaker 4: I can't explain. I'm done, thank you.

616
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Speaker 1: It's crazy. On the other side, you know, I know

617
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 1: it probably wouldn't have made a difference in the result,

618
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 1: but this was a game where I really did think

619
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 1: that they missed Gonzales and Jude On. I think they

620
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 1: would have made a difference on you know, quite a

621
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 1: few of these plays.

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Speaker 8: I mean, Gonzales just in that first game against him,

623
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 8: he just stood out because he can move like he

624
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 8: has movement skills that are I'm not going to say

625
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,239
Speaker 8: on Tyreek Hill's level, but like in that kind of

626
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 8: elite of athleticism. And you're right, they need they need

627
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 8: Gonzales back. They need more of that in the second area,

628
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 8: and they certainly.

629
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Speaker 6: Certainly didn't help missing those guys, and I think Judon,

630
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 6: I think they wanted to try to get some heat

631
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 6: on him. And you know, Tamara made the point about

632
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 6: the offensive line.

633
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 1: I mean, you.

634
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 6: Basically had an entire offensive line of backups, and then

635
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 6: two of those guys got hurt during the game and

636
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 6: you were down to third stringers, and you still didn't

637
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 6: really I mean, there were times where they made them

638
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 6: sort of pull the ball down and move a little

639
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 6: bit get off his initial read, but not not that often.

640
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 6: And they certainly missed having judeh en Uch, you know,

641
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 6: potentially being there. You know, I thought, to be honest

642
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 6: with you, I didn't think the defense played well. I'm

643
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 6: not trying to make this out to be anything different,

644
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 6: but I think that was about as good as you

645
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:20,239
Speaker 6: could expect. You know, they were missing some pieces and

646
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 6: the other team's just better than you offensively. I thought

647
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 6: it was very similar to the first game. The difference

648
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,479
Speaker 6: is they got a touchdown instead of missing the two

649
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 6: field goals, So I think it could have been thirty

650
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 6: in the first game thirty one in this game. I

651
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 6: thought that Ta for the most part, completed passes any

652
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 6: time he needed to the difference in this one is

653
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 6: they weren't able to run the ball. I thought the

654
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 6: front was pretty good, that key On White was pretty

655
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 6: good in this game. I thought to Bay was pretty

656
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 6: good in this game. And it was Dougler's best game

657
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 6: probably the season. I want to ask Evan something about

658
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 6: dugger Did you not pay attention?

659
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 4: Yeah?

660
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 6: Okay, So I want to ask was he not did

661
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 6: they have any change for him? Like was he near

662
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 6: or around closer to the line of scrimmage in this game?

663
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 6: And that's why we noticed him a little more. But

664
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 6: I also want to get to is that why, like

665
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 6: mate Mapu is back in.

666
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, they've been using.

667
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 6: Kill coverage.

668
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, and they've been using Jalen Mills a little bit

669
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 4: more at deep safety too, to allow Peppers and Duggard

670
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 4: to play closer to the line of scrimmage.

671
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 6: You can't see this on TV. You can't see like

672
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 6: the safety.

673
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I hear you. Kyle Duggart's game to me

674
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 4: was I didn't really think that he played all that

675
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 4: much better than he usually does. I just think the

676
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 4: ball found him in this game.

677
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 6: I like the tackles, I wasn't really tough like the Yeah,

678
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 6: it'd be like me saying infony Jennings had a great

679
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 6: gick y. He happened to be standing there way when

680
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 6: when two guys dropped the ball at his feet. But

681
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:47,719
Speaker 6: I thought Dugger made a couple of tackles that were

682
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 6: riminious enough the plays that he made last year, So.

683
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 4: He made some good you know, they had some good

684
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 4: communication on some pre snap motion, especially down by the

685
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 4: goal line on one of the tackles that he made,

686
00:31:57,840 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 4: where you know, if the guy came out one side

687
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 4: of the formation, Peppers was going to take him from

688
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 4: the other side, and if he came out to Dougger's side,

689
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 4: then Duggar was going to take him. And they pass

690
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 4: it off well, and Dugger made that tackle in the flat,

691
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 4: but he still gets lost in zone coverage, but you

692
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 4: know he's playing like short zone.

693
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 6: So yeah, I just was wondering if there was maybe

694
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 6: a little bit of a change to that deep center field,

695
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 6: which he was kind of invisible for the most part

696
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 6: in the first seven games. I noticed him a lot

697
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 6: more in this one. But then I started saying to myself, geez,

698
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 6: you know, me and Evan been talking about momp poo

699
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 6: a lot. Yeah, that didn't look so cool.

700
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 4: Well, maybe play him at his natural position. Maybe we

701
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 4: could start there, which they're clearly not doing because Brian

702
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 4: Belichick basically confirmed today that he's been in the safety

703
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 4: room this entire time. So sweet, good job on that one.

704
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 6: Well, because they're getting prepared to let Dougar walk free

705
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 6: agents that he give it him, like, you know, four years,

706
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 6: forty million or something.

707
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 4: I give the defense credit in this game. I thought

708
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 4: in the first game, we kind of talked about this

709
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 4: a lot, that they just kind of played soft zone.

710
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 6: And you know, they tried something different this game.

711
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 4: They tried to stay stand in the middle of the

712
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 4: ring with Miami. I thought they played some plays early

713
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 4: in the game.

714
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:04,959
Speaker 6: You know, I thought the results were similar, but they

715
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 6: got there in a different way.

716
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, they they force a punt on the

717
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 4: opening drive, eventually they get to pick. You know, they

718
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 4: had a little bit more production defensively in this game,

719
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 4: and they played a lot more man coverage. They blitzed

720
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 4: a lot more like they tried to play a real

721
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 4: like game plan. And I'll give the defense to that credit.

722
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 4: For the last two weeks, like they they're shorthanded, they

723
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 4: have injuries on that side of the ball, and they're

724
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 4: missing two of their best players. But if they're going

725
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 4: to go down, they're going down swinging like they came

726
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 4: after Josh Allen, and they've they were more aggressive against

727
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,719
Speaker 4: Miami in this game than they were the first time around.

728
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 4: So at least, like you can say that they're standing

729
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 4: in the middle of the ring with these teams and

730
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 4: if they're gonna lose, they're gonna lose swinging.

731
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 6: And I'd expect that to continue because Washington's allowed the

732
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 6: most sacks in the league.

733
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 1: Not to you know, blame the refs, but I do

734
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 1: want to talk about the performance of Paul's guys out there.

735
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 6: I hate the rest.

736
00:33:56,040 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 1: I still somebody please, I still don't understand and the

737
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 1: reason why for the ineligible man downfield rule, Like why

738
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 1: do we have that rule?

739
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 6: Like but that doesn't have anything to do with Reugh hatred. No, no,

740
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 6: But they don't understand why there's a rule.

741
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 1: No I know, but there was one where they they

742
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 1: you know, picked it up and one where they actually

743
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 1: called it. But why is there that rule anyone?

744
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 6: I don't know why you need ten yards? So for

745
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 6: a first time, I don't know why there's a lot

746
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 6: of rules.

747
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 4: So the ineligible downfield the way that I like. So

748
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 4: I actually asked O'Brien about the RPOs the Patriots have

749
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 4: been running, and he mentioned that a lot of them

750
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 4: are predetermined pre snap. He called them advantage throws because

751
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 4: you're not the RPO rules in the league is it's

752
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,399
Speaker 4: just one yard, so he's I think the biggest thing

753
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 4: is is that you know, if they allowed, like College

754
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 4: allows two yards and then like a grace, honestly, like

755
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,720
Speaker 4: it's kind of like turned two turns into five real quick.

756
00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 4: And these offenses just run these RPOs with the eligible

757
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 4: men downfield, and like these guys are run blocking like

758
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 4: five yards down the field, and then they got slants

759
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,760
Speaker 4: coming in from the outside and it's just impossible to defend.

760
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 4: So I think it's one rule that they're actually keeping

761
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 4: in the rule book to help defense, which is surprising,

762
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 4: but that would be my best case for the rule.

763
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 4: What I hate about the rule is that they because

764
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 4: quarterbacks drop back so far on screens, the refs never

765
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 4: get it right on the field and then New York

766
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,360
Speaker 4: buzzes down and says pick up them. And I know

767
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 4: that the Patriots benefited from this against Buffaloes.

768
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 9: I'm not.

769
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 4: I hated both ways, like either stick with the call

770
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 4: on the field like or don't. But this whole eye

771
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 4: in the sky thing, it's there's no transparency, it's not

772
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 4: legislated in any sort of way. The refs aren't held

773
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 4: accountable for missing the original call in any sort of way.

774
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 4: So now we just like they're acting like they knew

775
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 4: all along. After some discussion, I agree with that.

776
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 6: It's like, come on, just tell us that you know

777
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 6: you got buzzed from from upstairs. Because I liked the

778
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,359
Speaker 6: fact that they picked up the David Andrews one, and

779
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 6: I know it was a huge play in the game.

780
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 6: The pagers probably don't win the game if they don't

781
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:08,280
Speaker 6: do that, but I liked. I don't like good plays

782
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 6: being erased on technicalities. Now I would feel differently if

783
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 6: the guy is downfield making a key block in front

784
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 6: of the ball carrier that led to the big play.

785
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 6: That wasn't the case with David Andrews. That wasn't the

786
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 6: case on Sunday either, So I didn't really have any

787
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:26,359
Speaker 6: problem with either one of those flags being picked up.

788
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:28,800
Speaker 1: But then there was hit on Parkers.

789
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,799
Speaker 6: I can't believe Parker I mean, I can believe it,

790
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 6: but I thought it was a penalty.

791
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:36,479
Speaker 1: Terrible non call there. And I thought there were two

792
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 1: bad calls on the Patriots. I thought the PI on

793
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 1: Jackson in the end zone where he was behind, like

794
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:48,800
Speaker 1: he hit him with his chest, he grabbed his jersey,

795
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 1: it didn't effect. It was nothing. It was it was

796
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:55,359
Speaker 1: terrible call. And then the other bad was a non

797
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 1: call just not calling. Uh, these Miami guys, you know

798
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 1: they're in it's illegal motion. I mean you can't like turn,

799
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 1: you can't turn toward the line of scrimmage and keep going.

800
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 1: You have to come to a style.

801
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 6: No, no that I that they're going like the CFL thing,

802
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 6: they're going forward. I didn't know that.

803
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 4: I'm fine with because first well mostly just because it's

804
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:21,319
Speaker 4: fun and.

805
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:25,240
Speaker 6: But I didn't see that.

806
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 4: I thought where you were going with it was the

807
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 4: time that two guys motioned at the same time.

808
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: Well it was on that same play though, on that same.

809
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 6: Play, So tell me no offense. But I think I

810
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,839
Speaker 6: might get like more of an impartial look at this.

811
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:41,839
Speaker 6: Can you tell me what we're talking about?

812
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 4: So there is a play I believe it was in

813
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 4: the second half where the running back and a wide

814
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 4: receiver both go in motion at the same time at.

815
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 6: The snap, just before the snap.

816
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 4: Oh okay, but you can't motion at the same time, regardless.

817
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 6: It happens all the time.

818
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 4: You can't motion at the exactly like in unison, at

819
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 4: the exact same time. And then he motions and he

820
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:03,919
Speaker 4: guys can't move at the same time, and they can't.

821
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:04,839
Speaker 6: It happens all the time.

822
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 4: They can't.

823
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know.

824
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:07,280
Speaker 4: And they never call it, and they guys.

825
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 6: Are shifting and moving. You never saw it, but they were.

826
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 4: They were coming in motion. And then they didn't set

827
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 4: before the ball was when and.

828
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:18,360
Speaker 1: One guy actually turned toward the line. It was on

829
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 1: that same play.

830
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean Belichick was irate on the side

831
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 4: and I but I totally believe that he was right

832
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 4: about it. Like they so they motioned at the same time,

833
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 4: and then immediately, like everybody on the Patriots defense is

834
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 4: like like hands up, like what's going on here? And

835
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 4: then they motioned at the same time. Neither one of

836
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 4: them really gets set when the ball is snapped. And

837
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 4: then when they you know, they go in in Fred's right,

838
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 4: like you know, then one guy kind of you know,

839
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 4: does that cheap motion and sort of starts vertically at

840
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 4: the line of scrimmage, and and you know it was

841
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 4: that entire play was illegal, Like the whole pre snap

842
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 4: was illegal. All of it was illegal.

843
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: Where Bill was livid about the one the downfield. He

844
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 1: wasn't upset, so he's like, well, if he's not upset,

845
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:09,839
Speaker 1: then I guess it wasn't a penalty. So but he

846
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:10,879
Speaker 1: was livid on that play.

847
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, they showed the replay of the downfield on the screen,

848
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 6: and it was really close, like he was like a

849
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:19,800
Speaker 6: They say it's like a yard of the line of scrimmage.

850
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 6: He was probably within a yard of the line of scrimmage.

851
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 6: But to Evan's point, I don't think the referees got

852
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 6: together and said no, no, no, I saw him. He

853
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:30,320
Speaker 6: was only no. Someone's clearly making that call from upstairs,

854
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 6: which is I think exactly the same thing that happened

855
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 6: last week in the Buffalo game. I think the guys

856
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:36,879
Speaker 6: on the field were calling it and someone upstairs said,

857
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:41,360
Speaker 6: don't don't call that. He's not So it's the back

858
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:45,320
Speaker 6: foot of the blocker, correct, It's his back foot within.

859
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 4: The yard, within a yard of the line of scrimmage

860
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 4: when the ball leaves the quarterback's hands. So that's a

861
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 4: really tough judgment call.

862
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 6: It's like throwing up a forward pass past the line

863
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 6: of scrimmage. And like everybody gets this wrong. Like if

864
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:02,439
Speaker 6: the quarterback back foot is still parallel to the line

865
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:04,400
Speaker 6: of scrimmage, he can be all the way over the

866
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 6: line with the ball, but that back foot is still

867
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 6: touching the line of scrimmage.

868
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:10,319
Speaker 1: It's it's legal. So just explain to me. If they

869
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:14,240
Speaker 1: didn't have this rule, what's the advantage for the offense.

870
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 8: I mean, I guess you could just let your offensive

871
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 8: line boot run down the field.

872
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 6: They're not eligible, but they're blocking people, Okay, so there's

873
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 6: nobody there to make a tackle.

874
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:30,439
Speaker 1: So offensive line can block people.

875
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 6: Not downfield, No, not on a pass.

876
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 1: I mean, well, if they're not blocking.

877
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 6: You have like eight guys to block.

878
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:39,280
Speaker 1: But wait a minute, if they're if they're blocking downfield,

879
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:42,439
Speaker 1: they're not blocking the lineman but is already gone.

880
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 3: This is making me think about the blind side when

881
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:46,919
Speaker 3: he blocks the man all the way down the field.

882
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 5: How they're running everything makes you think, I.

883
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:53,320
Speaker 1: Know, but that was running so the ball is already

884
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:54,879
Speaker 1: gone right blocking him all the way down.

885
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 6: But if they're already downfield when like they're all set up,

886
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 6: they don't care about the lineman. They're letting the lineman

887
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,360
Speaker 6: in right, it's a screen, yep. So if you'll let

888
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 6: the guys downfield now they're in position to block before

889
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 6: the ball is thrown. Okay, yeah, okay, so evidently you're

890
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 6: fine with that.

891
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 1: I thought football was the game of blocking.

892
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:13,839
Speaker 6: I thought the defense should at least have a chance

893
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:15,720
Speaker 6: to try to make a stop at some point. Everything

894
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 6: else is totally for the offense.

895
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 4: Because when you're watching college football on Saturday, if you

896
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 4: have a chance just when they run like RPOs that

897
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:27,880
Speaker 4: they don't call that They just don't call it in college.

898
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 4: And these guys, these linemen are like five seven yards

899
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,839
Speaker 4: down the field and there's just no way to stop it.

900
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 4: Like if you know it's a post snapper red so

901
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 4: the quarterback and just hand it off based off the line,

902
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 4: and there's just no way to stop these plays. And

903
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 4: that's why, you know, O'Brien said this morning, the Patriots

904
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 4: don't run as many of those like college style RPOs

905
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 4: because of the NFL rule of a legal man downfield.

906
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 4: So it just sort of takes away that that advantage

907
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 4: like Paul is talking about on screens and then with

908
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 4: RPOs this all goes back to like the wing t

909
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 4: and stuff like that, and that's every spec your like.

910
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 1: But if you're a defense, don't have a rule, but

911
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 1: it is no I know. But if you're a defense

912
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden you see linemen breaking out down,

913
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 1: you know what the play.

914
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 6: Is, right, and that's what sometimes just run by him.

915
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 6: Sometimes the defensive lineman stopped rushing on screens like Vince

916
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 6: will fork and going out and sometimes they're able to

917
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 6: intercept them.

918
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 1: I don't like. Yeah, that's I mean, I understand, like

919
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 1: if you're down there and you're set up already engaged

920
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 1: in the block, it's a lot harder for the defense.

921
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 1: I get that, but I don't know this should be

922
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 1: a way to combat that. And it's a telltale sign

923
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 1: if all of a sudden the linemen break out. You know,

924
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:40,319
Speaker 1: I don't know.

925
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 5: No, I like that you're asking the question, fred, is

926
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 5: I think it's worth you know.

927
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:45,840
Speaker 6: I just I just don't look at it any differently?

928
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 6: Is why do you go to get a first out?

929
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:49,280
Speaker 6: Like I don't know why all the rules.

930
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 1: I know, but at some point there wasn't that rule,

931
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 1: you know, like in the forties or fifties or whatever,

932
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,839
Speaker 1: and then they made that rule to counteract something that

933
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 1: was happening that wing t, you know, was it the

934
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 1: wing tea?

935
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:04,760
Speaker 4: The way, so the wing T was like the first

936
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 4: option football before, like we call them RPOs now they

937
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 4: were doing. Navy was doing RPOs and the wing tea

938
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 4: like fifty years ago, right like that, and the they

939
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 4: had these different types of blocks that we see now

940
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 4: and guys are getting up field and then there's little,

941
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 4: you know, options off of it, and they weren't throwing

942
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 4: all these like downfield routes and stuff like that that

943
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 4: it's evolved to. But yeah, the wing tea was was

944
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 4: a game changer, and they made a lot of these

945
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 4: rules because of that.

946
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 6: Okay, Freddie just wants all offense all the time.

947
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 1: No, I just I'm just curious, you know, I get it.

948
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,280
Speaker 6: I say the same thing. I don't know why certain

949
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 6: things are the way they are, But it seems like

950
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 6: you think it like there's some kind of nefarious.

951
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 1: No, not just you know, like I want to know, like,

952
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 1: is it a rule that's seen its day and it

953
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 1: should be revised?

954
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 6: I think it probably should be enforced more like interference,

955
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:55,720
Speaker 6: like certain penalties are like, well, of course that's.

956
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 8: A penalty in football, But I like that. You're just like,

957
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:00,360
Speaker 8: why where did that originate from? Of you know, the

958
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 8: offensive line can't suddenly go downfield?

959
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 1: Like what's the what's the genesis of it? Just I

960
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 1: just want to understand it.

961
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 6: I I personally think it's about eligible receivers. And I

962
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 6: think if you start having like literally nine guys downfield

963
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 6: and now the defense on the fly has to identify

964
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:17,839
Speaker 6: which ones I have to cover and which ones don't.

965
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 1: Don't you do that before the snap?

966
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 6: Fred? I'm talking about like if you just wildly.

967
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 1: I know. But if David Andrews downfield, I know he's

968
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:28,240
Speaker 1: not eligible.

969
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:29,919
Speaker 6: It's easy to say.

970
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 4: I mean, it's got a beard.

971
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 6: I don't know, kind of kind of seemed to bother Baltimore.

972
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:35,319
Speaker 6: I don't know.

973
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 4: I just like how I've tried to give him actual

974
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:39,839
Speaker 4: logic and.

975
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 6: It doesn't matter because he just he just wants to

976
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:43,839
Speaker 6: know why. I mean, I don't know why, Like.

977
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 5: The center is eligible on the play, that would be weird.

978
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 1: Okay, but you have to say that, Fred, know that's

979
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 1: not possible, all right? Eight five five Pass five hundred

980
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 1: is the ACE ticket hotline, web radio at pages dot

981
00:44:56,960 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 1: com as the email address Patty's and Agua. What's up?

982
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:02,280
Speaker 11: Stop everyone?

983
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 9: Hey?

984
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 12: Hey, I got a couple of questions.

985
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:10,799
Speaker 13: First one is kind of crazy, but would this being

986
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 13: the tread deadline? Like if you look look at our

987
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 13: remaining schedule, I think the only team that has worse

988
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:20,279
Speaker 13: weapons than we do might be the Giants, right he

989
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 13: maybe trade for a guy? Forget about whose quarterbacks the

990
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:25,760
Speaker 13: team this year? But do you just trade for somebody

991
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,360
Speaker 13: to possibly like a Jerry Judy type or someone of

992
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 13: that ilk so you have a weapon like going into

993
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 13: next year. And my second question is, knowing what we

994
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 13: know now halfway through the season, is there anyone that

995
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 13: you guys thought that you wanted to resign before the

996
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 13: start of the season, that you would want to resign now?

997
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 13: And I'll take the answer off the here.

998
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 5: Okay, thanks, I'd like to resign Anthony Jennings. I think

999
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 5: that's a good you know, won't but won't break the bank.

1000
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:53,359
Speaker 5: He's a solid guy.

1001
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 8: It's not gonna move the needle a lot, but just

1002
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 8: a guy I think that they need for depth and

1003
00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 8: you know, just some a little bit of continuity, especially

1004
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:01,240
Speaker 8: with you know, Jude On and everything.

1005
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:04,360
Speaker 1: What about Big Mike just to have you know, because

1006
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:06,879
Speaker 1: this might be David Andrews last year too. By the way,

1007
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:08,839
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know who knows.

1008
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 4: I don't know why he keeps coming back to this to.

1009
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 1: You you know, so it's really dark just a little bit.

1010
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 4: I mean, Devin mccordy literally said that, like its off season,

1011
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:19,319
Speaker 4: why am I coming back? We're not winning a Super Bowl?

1012
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 4: Like that was his words out of his mouth.

1013
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 1: So like just somebody coming back on the old line,

1014
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 1: you know, that is good.

1015
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:27,800
Speaker 8: I mean there's so many conversations to have, and I

1016
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 8: mean everybody wants to just jump immediately to you know,

1017
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 8: we're picking third overall and who we're going to take,

1018
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 8: you know, like it's just it's it's it's hard, and like,

1019
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 8: you know, part of me is like, well, you really

1020
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 8: got to be reasonable with your assets, and you know,

1021
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 8: all this talk of guards and first round guards and

1022
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:43,320
Speaker 8: all this franchising tag guards.

1023
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 5: Like I think I'm getting to the point where I'm like, hey,

1024
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 5: City Soul looks pretty good at right guard. How about

1025
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 5: that next year? And like we'll just set it and

1026
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 5: forget it if he's a tackle, yeah.

1027
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, But you know in terms of like I rating

1028
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 1: for a Jerry Judy or a weapon. Now, I don't

1029
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 1: know this, but I have a feeling that Robert Crafts said,

1030
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,399
Speaker 1: we're not doing anything for twenty twenty four yet.

1031
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:04,919
Speaker 4: See I would trade for Jerry Judy, but I am

1032
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 4: a Judy guy. But I think to Patty's point, you

1033
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:12,880
Speaker 4: can't fill all of the holes in one off season, like,

1034
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 4: even with all the cap space that they're going to have.

1035
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 4: So whether it's Mac Jones, or it's Drake may or

1036
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:20,720
Speaker 4: it's Michael Pinnix or whoever throwing him in the football,

1037
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 4: at least like you'll have a couple of receivers that

1038
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 4: are NFL caliber receivers for the next guy to throw

1039
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 4: the ball to. Because if you're drafting a quarterback in

1040
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 4: the first round, you're not drafting a receiver in the

1041
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:34,280
Speaker 4: first round, right, So you have to find that receiver

1042
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 4: someplace else. So, whether it's trading for Judy and then

1043
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:40,840
Speaker 4: signing T Higgins and going all out for you know,

1044
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 4: skill challenges what I would obviously do, but we know

1045
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:46,799
Speaker 4: who wouldn't like that would be you know, we'd have to.

1046
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:49,880
Speaker 1: Get there probably at least a second for Judy, right, you'd.

1047
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 4: Think maybe like a third. I think maybe, you know, I.

1048
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:55,799
Speaker 6: Don't think you would be much Yeah, one.

1049
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 3: Year, right, can we just give them taipewe.

1050
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 4: And it's just the point is that you know, you're

1051
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 4: trying to, like, you have to be able to have

1052
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 4: something for the next quarterback to walk into, because if

1053
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:10,840
Speaker 4: you just do this all over again, then you're just

1054
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:12,879
Speaker 4: gonna ruin the next guy and then you're just gonna

1055
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 4: be in this cycle forever. I would also I would

1056
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:18,399
Speaker 4: sign Big mic I would definitely sign him. I think

1057
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:21,360
Speaker 4: if you had true sierum Bill Belichick, even though this

1058
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 4: wouldn't be on the top of my list of things,

1059
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 4: letting Joe Toney walk I think would be something that

1060
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:27,439
Speaker 4: they would call him.

1061
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:29,879
Speaker 1: The Preacher brother. I mean, I was, I was right

1062
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 1: there with you. They should have extended him at the time.

1063
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 4: He's going to be an all pro with the Chiefs,

1064
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 4: like not a pro bowler, an all pro with the

1065
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 4: Kansas City Chiefs. One of the best guards in the NFL.

1066
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 1: And I think even if he's not the best guard,

1067
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 1: he was a versatile guard and he was solid. You know,

1068
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 1: just pay him like that, and you know that's where

1069
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 1: they're all to me, that's where their O line issues started,

1070
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 1: right not.

1071
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 6: I think the same thing, only for entirely different reason.

1072
00:48:57,680 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 6: You start sinking money into guards and then you get

1073
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 6: to this situation. Yeah, they overextended for Shaq Mason and

1074
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 6: they over extended for Joe Toney. They're both I think

1075
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:10,319
Speaker 6: excellent players. I think they're both excellent players. I don't

1076
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:11,800
Speaker 6: think you win with guards.

1077
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 4: I just don't know how.

1078
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:14,800
Speaker 1: Like you certainly don't win with bad linemen, right.

1079
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 4: He definitely don't win with a bad offensive line.

1080
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 9: Right.

1081
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:19,240
Speaker 6: There's a lot of teams that are doing it somehow,

1082
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 6: I know.

1083
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:22,880
Speaker 1: I think you're overstating that, all right, Paul. He's saying

1084
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:26,359
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Speaker 16: Add alo again everyone, a very pleasant good afternoon, and

1103
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 16: welcome to Miami Gardens, Florida in the hard Rock Stadium

1104
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 16: for this encounter of the New England Patriots at two

1105
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 16: and five and a five two Miami Dolphins and staff.

1106
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:27,279
Speaker 9: The tongue by Loyd puts Downado. He's sack rapped up.

1107
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 9: Carmore is there again. When the Christian continues to reek

1108
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 9: Havoc heard, the man looks let him eat boy.

1109
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:36,959
Speaker 17: He's getting back to the force that he really showed

1110
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:37,719
Speaker 17: a flash as a.

1111
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 9: Brook dropped back fires.

1112
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 16: Down patter shifted by Dugger, he makes the primate on

1113
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:45,879
Speaker 16: the ground of rises to its past them thirty five love,

1114
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:47,800
Speaker 16: We're still out his height before he shoved on the

1115
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:49,320
Speaker 16: near side by handles.

1116
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:51,439
Speaker 1: So they killed him with the sun.

1117
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 9: They took too Katula and to see them what's not.

1118
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 18: There if Douggar's just sitting there underneath the trail rout recognition,

1119
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 18: They double tea tyreek hill and he threw a lame

1120
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 18: duck right to top Kyle Duggar right over the middle.

1121
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 16: And it makes you wonder too, how much the sack

1122
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 16: of farm more the patrons of Jilany to start to

1123
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 16: generate pressure, got to tungue by lower there your he

1124
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 16: ran his rolph behind dunder.

1125
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:14,759
Speaker 1: Sorry about that.

1126
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 5: You're looking for more of a chunk right now instead

1127
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 5: of the point hitter.

1128
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:19,919
Speaker 9: So that's six yard loss. Oh now we need another

1129
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 9: fifteen yards to get a think on.

1130
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 16: Matt takes it on third and four. He stands in

1131
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 16: and throws a gun. Cord catches time and throws lit

1132
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 16: it on back into the down touch down pump them

1133
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:32,280
Speaker 16: takeaway for the Matriots.

1134
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 9: Where the hell is this offense? Ben trips right.

1135
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:37,920
Speaker 18: They run a double post to the right side. They

1136
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 18: drag Bard. He's wide open that he sets close an

1137
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:45,440
Speaker 18: easy pop to him and it's smooth selling cork Chatrick

1138
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:47,360
Speaker 18: borne off the way into the end zone.

1139
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:51,840
Speaker 9: Patriots up early there he goes Willsie in motion for

1140
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:53,799
Speaker 9: the right play fake again Buck my low loads up,

1141
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 9: throws a deep cloth for Tyreek Hill.

1142
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:57,880
Speaker 16: It steps, but I have a stitch gon a touchdown

1143
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 16: Miami down the left side behind both Jackson and Mafoo.

1144
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:03,880
Speaker 9: And the Dolphins aren't.

1145
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:05,400
Speaker 10: Extra bought away from doing it up.

1146
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 1: No one I knew they're.

1147
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:08,760
Speaker 17: Gonna go for the shop played oil. But to get patient, pagent,

1148
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 17: don't you about the big play? He actually geared down.

1149
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 17: He had a beat by another two yards.

1150
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:15,880
Speaker 1: He actually had to slow.

1151
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 17: Down and catch his ball by two It hup too much.

1152
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 17: He as got beat on the long one. You had

1153
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:22,279
Speaker 17: a little alt play. My guy just ran light through

1154
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:25,759
Speaker 17: coverage forty two yoakches he coaching.

1155
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 16: Playfing and take away on being glitched his truck on

1156
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 16: the backside, Tucker and it's a blind side sack by

1157
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 16: Kyle Dugger. Second sack for New England, second big play

1158
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 16: for Dugger in this game.

1159
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 9: I wonder if it's a.

1160
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 1: Read by Dugger backside.

1161
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 17: If your guy doesn't release, you go so just unprotected

1162
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:44,399
Speaker 17: backside man.

1163
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 9: This is on too.

1164
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 1: He's gotta be able to see that.

1165
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 16: Miami loses six back to the twenty one and the

1166
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:55,360
Speaker 16: third and fourteen coming up with the Dolphins, Mike motions

1167
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 16: the staff to taugo by long quick throw slack to Wilson,

1168
00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:00,879
Speaker 16: count of me at zone touchdown Dolphins a main dat

1169
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:03,399
Speaker 16: throw in front of J C. Jackson hand as well

1170
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 16: passed the left hand of Anferdy Jennings.

1171
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 9: Dolphins have taken the lead. The difference area get helped

1172
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 9: off by the refs. Should have held him for three

1173
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:21,200
Speaker 9: now become seven. Terrible, this curse terrible long drive by

1174
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:22,840
Speaker 9: the Dolphins right now, that's the word point.

1175
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 17: You look at the weather, see how many guys taking

1176
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:27,320
Speaker 17: a while to get off that field.

1177
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:29,799
Speaker 1: Long defensive series extended by.

1178
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 9: Several calls that Bits lives in from the left. Joe

1179
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:36,320
Speaker 9: takes you behave drops into the very simon night of Vigar.

1180
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:37,240
Speaker 6: You can get.

1181
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 9: Passed down the right side by Jamling Ramsey thirty.

1182
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:44,279
Speaker 16: Thirty five, forty forty five fifty Ramsey hurdles. Douglas continues

1183
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:47,359
Speaker 16: down the sideline all the way to the end zone

1184
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 16: for Miami.

1185
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:51,280
Speaker 9: Though they're gonna say stepped out of outs. I'm up forty.

1186
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 9: I'm New England.

1187
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 17: What an absolutely dog of a throw by back shows

1188
00:53:57,560 --> 00:54:02,719
Speaker 17: Caroless late late see all hung this read.

1189
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:05,880
Speaker 9: I can't come up with any more adjic.

1190
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 1: To describe that.

1191
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 19: Just a bad, awful dog throw well underthrown Podgers pouring

1192
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 19: down the left side, Lucie Pinkins were Jalen Rams to

1193
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:17,360
Speaker 19: other pots.

1194
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 9: Game for the Miami Dolphins. I didn't even say it

1195
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 9: before the sap because you're in field.

1196
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 5: Old Ransom almost want to say, don't make the stupid mistake.

1197
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:25,439
Speaker 9: They'll take a.

1198
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:27,840
Speaker 1: Sack because I thought, you know what, maybe we're past that.

1199
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 1: Thank god, aren't you.

1200
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 16: They're good Vireos printing left hand off the moster loose

1201
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:34,880
Speaker 16: the Gonds.

1202
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 9: We got it, an opportunity, we got it.

1203
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 16: A need to recover a loose ball off the match

1204
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:44,920
Speaker 16: Gallard skies check them Jennings and Forredy Jennings there for

1205
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 16: the Patriots and Fredy Jennings recovering. The Dolphins never make

1206
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 16: the clean exchange. Tunguel blow up and most are and

1207
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 16: the Patriots get a gift to start the second hand

1208
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:57,839
Speaker 16: lazy by two of Kit they're just not so well.

1209
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 1: He gives the ball out one happen there. Let's stays golf.

1210
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:02,320
Speaker 5: It's not ready to go.

1211
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 1: You're ready to go.

1212
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:07,359
Speaker 16: Up doing something with this ball, takes the step, give

1213
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:09,880
Speaker 16: him most of runs and left and he see Waltson

1214
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:10,440
Speaker 16: touched down.

1215
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:10,959
Speaker 20: My dy.

1216
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 18: Kick field goals all day long, and we've been on

1217
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 18: the other end of that for twenty years.

1218
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 9: We laughed. The teams would get down after great opportunities.

1219
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:25,879
Speaker 9: Then you know what we'll take three years. I guess

1220
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:26,359
Speaker 9: it's the points.

1221
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 1: Let's just get some points.

1222
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:30,880
Speaker 9: Might start chasing double digits again.

1223
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:33,399
Speaker 4: Because you choose to kick focals ad.

1224
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:34,399
Speaker 1: I'm l you have the choice.

1225
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 9: I'll be afraid to put the ball vertical two up.

1226
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 9: Let's coming. Matt Roship to go left, falling kick in

1227
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 9: but we're not buckled it to anigable path and throw

1228
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 9: to Parker who had got.

1229
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:49,319
Speaker 16: Death and Sean Elliott came up closing in a hurry.

1230
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 16: Parker went down and rising to his feet, goes down.

1231
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:56,920
Speaker 16: Now the's down, Tako Ba dropping back, He's pressured and

1232
00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 16: he strange it right forard Hawk.

1233
00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:01,200
Speaker 9: Bet he's hit my device. It's the tackle runs right

1234
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:04,439
Speaker 9: side past the thirty outside of the thirty five before

1235
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 9: he's finally clipped down.

1236
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:08,320
Speaker 10: There is a flag on the play and I was

1237
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 10: a player downfield.

1238
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:14,880
Speaker 4: Cop back of the sixty penalty or now it's.

1239
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 9: The Dolphins again. Backtrack to the officials to mark the

1240
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:19,319
Speaker 9: penalty off.

1241
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:20,759
Speaker 1: And if you can't get off the floor.

1242
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 17: Oh you are special, man, your crew is special.

1243
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:34,880
Speaker 9: You marked it off, went back, and then you decide

1244
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 9: it's not it's not valid. Are you kidding me?

1245
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 1: They didn't even need about it like last week when

1246
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 1: they waived it.

1247
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:45,279
Speaker 9: You got to be kidding me.

1248
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 1: Oh man, we're in.

1249
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:52,560
Speaker 9: A different, different stratosphere with these refs. They can ruin

1250
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:52,919
Speaker 9: a game.

1251
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 4: Boy, this league can ruin a game.

1252
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:03,719
Speaker 16: Fourth and old to go from the three raggers, let's

1253
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 16: to their mind. Schmid, Schuster and Henry Kasiki ail.

1254
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:08,839
Speaker 9: In a bunch left and many.

1255
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:11,719
Speaker 10: In the gun bag left of Joe's before than going

1256
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:11,880
Speaker 10: to go.

1257
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 16: The play clock is down to two, it's down to one.

1258
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:17,000
Speaker 16: The stat Joe throws it right. Why don't you used

1259
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 16: to Shuster touchdown? Patriots?

1260
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 1: We had that one on Draft Kings.

1261
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:27,320
Speaker 17: Who odds of that one had to be a one

1262
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:30,400
Speaker 17: plus plus twenty five hundred Draft Kings is.

1263
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 16: David h catch at first touchdown as a Patriots.

1264
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 9: I like the concept.

1265
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:40,000
Speaker 17: It's Miami does right, run at bunch left, he does

1266
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 17: a little reset, motes in a little return.

1267
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:44,720
Speaker 1: Then it's just sweep across and there it is. That's something.

1268
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 9: Flip at the tyree kill see me stat go my

1269
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 9: little playmate, I don't have a little wine up to

1270
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 9: the water off and run to me arline.

1271
00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:55,080
Speaker 16: Let's do it here he so up start a bus

1272
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 16: and boys, he's gonna celebrate with his teammates.

1273
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:05,320
Speaker 9: Plus income head mass you on the penguin walk. Jones

1274
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:09,160
Speaker 9: leads forward, takes the snaw, dropping back pressure. He's wrapped up.

1275
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 9: He throws the ball high.

1276
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:13,720
Speaker 16: Downfield and now Brandon Jones of Miami leaping to knock

1277
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:16,920
Speaker 16: it down. And then there's gonna be a hit in

1278
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:19,600
Speaker 16: a flag with Smith, Schuster and Douglas.

1279
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:23,560
Speaker 9: What there for the Patriots?

1280
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:26,520
Speaker 16: We will trying to break up a potential interception. Jones

1281
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:28,720
Speaker 16: is going up at the fourth down play Brandon Jones

1282
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 16: a nearly headed an interception to start this series in

1283
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:37,040
Speaker 16: a boy life. And now you've got oh good players

1284
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 16: spelling out the golfant sideline.

1285
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:40,440
Speaker 9: And Dolphins are coming off their bets. Look at this

1286
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 9: They're gonna get thrown out of the gate. They got

1287
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:44,760
Speaker 9: personnel coming off their bets.

1288
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:49,000
Speaker 16: I'm gonna seen this the Dolphins spelling off their sideline

1289
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:50,120
Speaker 16: flat floor.

1290
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:53,600
Speaker 9: At Smith, Schuster and Douglas.

1291
00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:55,160
Speaker 5: Were walking back toward the near side.

1292
00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:59,320
Speaker 16: Meanwhile, Jones is being attempted to buy the medical team

1293
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:02,120
Speaker 16: for Miami near the forty YARDMOK.

1294
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:06,080
Speaker 9: Several times. We've got some more here going on today.

1295
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:09,680
Speaker 9: There have been very small skirmishes, but now things are

1296
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:11,880
Speaker 9: heating up. Jack Jerry roll Bill's out there now.

1297
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:13,280
Speaker 20: I'm trying to.

1298
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:18,880
Speaker 16: Restrain giberal Pembers and now the other way around for

1299
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:22,120
Speaker 16: the Dolphins takes any new endless football game. Miami wins

1300
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:23,360
Speaker 16: at thirty one to seventeen.

1301
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:25,720
Speaker 9: The Dolphins improved for sixty two.

1302
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:28,480
Speaker 16: They stay on being in a home twenty for the

1303
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Speaker 16: sixteenth time at eighteen games in South Florida and having

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Speaker 16: the Patriots their ninth loss in their last eleven visits here.

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Speaker 5: I need tires in front breaks and I've been putting

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Speaker 1: care of both me up. Yeah, yeah, all right back

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Speaker 1: here a Patriots unfiltered eight five five Pats five hundred

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Speaker 1: is the Ace ticket Hutline web radio at Patriots dot

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Speaker 1: com as an email address. Obviously, we're talking about the

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Speaker 1: Patriots loss in Miami. Was that six in a row

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Speaker 1: or something in Miami or they haven't one since twenty

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Speaker 1: nineteen nineteen Antonio Brown game. Yeah, okay, yeah, that's still

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Speaker 1: a house of horrors for the Patriots. That tua is

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Speaker 1: Josh tua is six and oh against Bill Belichi.

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Speaker 5: Yeah yeah wow not good. No, in the Division two.

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Speaker 5: But we beat Josh Allen last week.

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Speaker 6: So with an offensive line, offensive line, with the Tyree Hill,

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Speaker 6: with Mike McDaniel, Without Mike McDaniel, that's what's crazy about it.

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Speaker 6: But everybody still says he sucks because.

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Speaker 4: He beat He's beaten the Patriots even before all of

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Speaker 4: this came to Miami with weapons, without Brian Flores and

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Speaker 4: DeVante Parker and Mike Gasicki as his number one and

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Speaker 4: number one receiver.

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Speaker 5: Your own weapons, and I'm still beating the Patriots.

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Speaker 4: It's incredible.

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Speaker 9: Ye.

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Speaker 1: So uh yeah, eleven and six is still in play.

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Speaker 5: It's in play.

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Speaker 1: We got the Commanders, yeah, and we got the Colts.

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Speaker 6: I told everybody that I shared that with you during

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Speaker 6: the post game show the other day. I was texting

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Speaker 6: back and forth with Fred. I was surprised to get

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Speaker 6: the on the immediate response. I figured you'd be on

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Speaker 6: the plane.

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Speaker 1: On the pregame show. What was the thing that you

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Speaker 1: because I wasn't really listening. What was the thing that

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Speaker 1: you guys were like cracking up about on the pregame show.

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Speaker 1: Hardy couldn't even talk, he was laughing.

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Speaker 6: I don't remember, No, I don't remember.

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Speaker 3: I don't remember that.

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Speaker 6: Oh okay, yeah, there was a moment where it was

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Speaker 6: the quality when I was on the other show.

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Speaker 1: No, you were cracking up, like for a while, you

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Speaker 1: guys were speechless.

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Speaker 4: Shoot, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I do not know what part of the show that was.

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Speaker 6: Oh, that might have been it. So the Miami Dolphins

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Speaker 6: dot Com guy.

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Speaker 4: Wait a second, don't talk no crap about he's a friend.

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Speaker 6: No, no, no, he's been on the show twice.

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Speaker 1: We love him.

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Speaker 6: Okay, but his name is Travis Wingfield, so he has

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Speaker 6: some fun. But that's saying, you know, so where did

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Speaker 6: you prep? You know, and things like that. The yacht

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Speaker 6: team was a good sport about it. Absolutely totally knew

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Speaker 6: what we were doing.

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Speaker 1: It was this must have been a laughter.

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Speaker 4: We talked in the press box because you know, we

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Speaker 4: always say hi to each other with these games, and

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Speaker 4: he didn't say that, you guys, we were talking smacks.

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Speaker 6: So I wonder if he realized that it was the

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Speaker 6: same ship. He probably doesn't, but really he did the

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Speaker 6: same bit for week two to really good guy like yeah,

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Speaker 6: and brought a lot of good stuff too.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I like he's got nice succinct responses.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 4: It's it's that's that's how we're different. Yeah, but maybe

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Speaker 4: we'll talk about this off the hair. But him and

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Speaker 4: I have great conversations about working for people that have

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Speaker 4: worked for this or organization, and it's it's it's hilarious.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Okay, eight five five past five hundred. Let's get to

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Speaker 1: the phones. We'll go to Eldred, North Carolina. What's up, Eldred.

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Speaker 12: Aldred Ladies, Hey, gentlemen, how y'all doing all right? Hey,

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Speaker 12: I don't know what to begin, but ud yo, I'm

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Speaker 12: gonna ask you a question. Okay, scenario, just a scenario.

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Speaker 12: What's the left of the post game show?

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Speaker 10: When they left got came on? He said, Great Mac

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Speaker 10: to Minnesota? Right, so you said, who would you get

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Speaker 10: to day?

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Speaker 12: I gotta I got an answer for that.

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Speaker 10: Why not Great Mac Minnesota go to go to Atlanta?

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Speaker 10: Give a fourth or fifth round to carry Heinicky?

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Speaker 12: Has he already been in the system and didn't go

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Speaker 12: from there and didn't try to get another quarterback next

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Speaker 12: year because.

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Speaker 10: What he's playing, he's scared.

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Speaker 9: I'm sorry.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, he didn't been hit for Atlanta.

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Speaker 6: Atlanta kind of needs Taylor Heiniekey, when was Taylor Heinick

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Speaker 6: was in Houston? I know he was here for.

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Speaker 5: Back with Brady yea, he was here for Heinick.

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Speaker 6: Yeah he was Wow.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: I don't know if I would necessarily say that that

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Speaker 6: that you know, equates to him knowing the system already,

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Speaker 6: but he was here for a minute.

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Speaker 20: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Well man, Yeah, we got rid of like practice squad

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Speaker 6: a minute.

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Speaker 5: I agree with Eldred, Like I like, I'm just I'm

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Speaker 5: troubled by Mac right now.

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Speaker 8: And I think what I'm like just most like Matt

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Speaker 8: about right now is just like going out spending you know,

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Speaker 8: millions of dollars on a journeyman quarterback this offseason and

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Speaker 8: is that guy ever going to be part of the future?

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Speaker 5: And you know, so I'm just kind of stuck between

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Speaker 5: like like there's just a part of me that's like

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Speaker 5: that much. But no, I know, but but he was

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Speaker 5: here for like but it's something I.

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Speaker 6: Said to it. I said he was here for a minute.

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Speaker 6: I know, but that's that's like nothing and you are

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Speaker 6: you young guys.

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Speaker 9: That's all I know.

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Speaker 8: And I'm like, so if he's not going to win

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Speaker 8: a quart a super Bowl, Mac's not going to win

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Speaker 8: a super Bowl.

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Speaker 5: It's gonna be kind of so.

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Speaker 8: How much are you gonna like use for the rebuild

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Speaker 8: money to get like this stop gap veteran quarterback who's

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Speaker 8: never really going to be expected to do anything for you?

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Speaker 5: Like, look, I understand the point.

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Speaker 8: It's just that's what I'm I'm stuck where it's like

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Speaker 8: i'd rather just like there's and and I don't think

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Speaker 8: this is right to just say we should just stick

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Speaker 8: with MAC.

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Speaker 6: Like, I'm not trying to add my stop gap guy

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Speaker 6: has to accompany whoever I think is the future. So

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Speaker 6: if I want to stick with MAC, then I don't

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Speaker 6: need any stopgap guy. But if I move on from

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Speaker 6: MAC and I get a stop gap guy and I

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Speaker 6: draft somebody in the twenty four draft, that's like I

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Speaker 6: could I could live with that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, but is that like.

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Speaker 5: How much is that really? Like like let's just use

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Speaker 5: Taylor Heineke how much?

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Speaker 6: Not a stop gap?

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Speaker 5: He's backup?

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Speaker 8: So like who though, you know, like I just and

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Speaker 8: that's what like Kirk Cousins Like, and I'm like, no,

1449
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Speaker 8: is that like any different now?

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01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:09,720
Speaker 6: That's that's over now, Like not that it never was.

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Speaker 4: But you're signing Kirk Cousins to be your quarterback, Like

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Speaker 4: you're not, like, k Kirk Cousins not a stock.

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01:06:15,040 --> 01:06:17,560
Speaker 6: You're gonna have to pay him, right, But we're all

1454
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Speaker 6: are we all thinking that Kirk Cousins is going to

1455
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Speaker 6: come here with a rookie wide receiver and win a

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Speaker 6: Super Bowl? Like I'm like, you know, so it depends

1457
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Speaker 6: who the rookie wide receiver is like, if it's Marvin Harrison,

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Speaker 6: why not because I think Kirk Cousins is probably I

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Speaker 6: don't think clicks better than Mac Jones.

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Speaker 5: And I'm like, how much do I have to pay?

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Speaker 8: I thought I was disrespect I think like at the

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Speaker 8: end of the day, they're both gonna end their career

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Speaker 8: with zero super Bowls.

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Speaker 6: They're both gonna end their career with a couple of

1465
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Speaker 6: you know, so is Jus Russell? Is there like a

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Speaker 6: similarity between.

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Speaker 1: And you're that's and that's where and that's where the

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Speaker 1: line cousin Jared got Jared.

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Speaker 5: I think so that's I mean he's playing well.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think they're both.

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Speaker 4: I think that's a spider man. Mean, I think that

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Speaker 4: is I think that is U close. I think this

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Speaker 4: is a so can I give you a different quarter?

1474
01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:07,480
Speaker 4: You got to eat at launch?

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Speaker 21: I think I think Jared Goff now with the Lions,

1476
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Speaker 21: has a chance. He's good to win a Super Bowl.

1477
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Speaker 21: He's gotten a lot better, a lot better. Okay, go ahead, one.

1478
01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:24,280
Speaker 10: Okay, I have you keep you keep beating the drums

1479
01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:26,600
Speaker 10: from may Or or whatever the dude name is.

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Speaker 4: Anybody else.

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Speaker 12: Who beat me a couple of weeks ago, quarterback.

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Speaker 4: If you want a Day two guy. Sure, I don't

1483
01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:42,440
Speaker 4: think he says. So here, here's my my scenario. That's

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Speaker 4: because Taylor Heineke like, please Kobe Brissett.

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Speaker 6: No, see, I would say please to that.

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Speaker 4: So if you are going to draft a quarterback like

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Speaker 4: Drake may or Pannix for one of those guys, I apologize,

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Speaker 4: and you signed Jacoby Brissett as his back, and then

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Speaker 4: let's say maybe if they're not ready, immediately, Jacoby Brissett

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01:08:05,480 --> 01:08:08,280
Speaker 4: starts the first four games six games of the season,

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01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:11,240
Speaker 4: and that way there, you don't need to throw the

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Speaker 4: quarterback into the fire, right.

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Speaker 1: But I mean, there's a number of people that I

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Speaker 1: think could fill that role, and that's a fine.

1495
01:08:18,439 --> 01:08:21,280
Speaker 4: But but that's a guy that actually knows the system,

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01:08:21,439 --> 01:08:23,799
Speaker 4: not Taylor Heineke. He was here for a cup of coffee.

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Speaker 4: I thought you is a stock. But yeah, yeah, but

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Speaker 4: that's why I apologized.

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Speaker 1: And maybe it was just because he was young at

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Speaker 1: the time. But even though Jacoby knew the system at

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01:08:32,520 --> 01:08:35,040
Speaker 1: the time, he couldn't run the offense. They they had

1502
01:08:35,080 --> 01:08:37,280
Speaker 1: to totally change what they were doing when he was

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Speaker 1: in here.

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01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:39,800
Speaker 4: But they're I think they're gonna totally change what they're doing.

1505
01:08:39,840 --> 01:08:42,200
Speaker 4: If they draft one of these college guys, gonna have

1506
01:08:42,280 --> 01:08:44,720
Speaker 4: to I know you're not gonna well, but.

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Speaker 1: But what whoever they think is the future. I want

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Speaker 1: the offense built around that person, correct, not around Jacoby correct.

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01:08:52,640 --> 01:08:53,679
Speaker 4: But it's gonna be the same.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's fine, as long as it's the same.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's gonna be one of the would that.

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Speaker 5: Be now that's it. Just get back out of the

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01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:00,679
Speaker 5: building scenario.

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Speaker 3: Yea, yeah, I don't. I don't think you would want

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Speaker 3: to sit here as the backup, like, yeah, Mac is.

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Speaker 1: Not because a lot of people have said, you know,

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Speaker 1: keep Mac, pay him the fifth year whatever, and then

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Speaker 1: you know, going to camp if the kids not ready,

1519
01:09:13,200 --> 01:09:15,360
Speaker 1: have Mac play and then the kid takes you know.

1520
01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:16,719
Speaker 9: I agree.

1521
01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:17,880
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's gonna work.

1522
01:09:18,040 --> 01:09:21,599
Speaker 6: I can tell you with certainty that there isn't still

1523
01:09:21,640 --> 01:09:23,280
Speaker 6: an affection for Jacoby Brissett.

1524
01:09:23,560 --> 01:09:24,360
Speaker 9: Yeah in the building.

1525
01:09:24,439 --> 01:09:25,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's why I brought him up.

1526
01:09:25,600 --> 01:09:25,920
Speaker 6: I don't.

1527
01:09:25,920 --> 01:09:26,479
Speaker 5: I don't hate that.

1528
01:09:26,600 --> 01:09:27,160
Speaker 6: I don't hate that.

1529
01:09:27,680 --> 01:09:30,840
Speaker 4: Great great like not as a backup, like a great

1530
01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:34,040
Speaker 4: locker room guy and like a veteran presence in the room,

1531
01:09:34,240 --> 01:09:36,280
Speaker 4: like a lot of those boxes being checked with a

1532
01:09:36,320 --> 01:09:37,080
Speaker 4: guy like Brissette.

1533
01:09:37,200 --> 01:09:39,040
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean that that probably makes the most sense

1534
01:09:39,080 --> 01:09:41,560
Speaker 8: with a get Mac out of the building scenario. I just,

1535
01:09:42,160 --> 01:09:43,560
Speaker 8: you know, and I mean Paul brought up, you know,

1536
01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:46,320
Speaker 8: JaMarcus Russell, you know, jokingly, but like, but that's where

1537
01:09:46,360 --> 01:09:47,640
Speaker 8: the line is, you know what I mean, It's like,

1538
01:09:48,120 --> 01:09:50,200
Speaker 8: how much do you want to invest in a guy?

1539
01:09:50,280 --> 01:09:52,560
Speaker 8: And how much better is he really gonna make it?

1540
01:09:52,640 --> 01:09:54,160
Speaker 8: And and look, and I'm on the fence right now

1541
01:09:54,200 --> 01:09:55,600
Speaker 8: with Mac because I feel like he is in a

1542
01:09:55,720 --> 01:09:57,560
Speaker 8: dark place right now and he might be broken for

1543
01:09:57,680 --> 01:09:59,920
Speaker 8: good and that means all bets are off. But I'm

1544
01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:01,320
Speaker 8: much do you want to invest in a guy that

1545
01:10:01,439 --> 01:10:03,599
Speaker 8: probably never going to do anything here, probably never.

1546
01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:04,960
Speaker 5: Really going to actually get you the playoffs?

1547
01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:05,080
Speaker 20: Like?

1548
01:10:05,240 --> 01:10:07,720
Speaker 8: How can you get around having to waste money just

1549
01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:09,439
Speaker 8: spinning your wheels at the quarterback position?

1550
01:10:09,560 --> 01:10:11,640
Speaker 5: Is there any way to use that money that you

1551
01:10:11,720 --> 01:10:13,560
Speaker 5: know is so valuable right now for a team that

1552
01:10:13,640 --> 01:10:16,200
Speaker 5: needs multiple pieces and to be fixed in multiple places.

1553
01:10:16,479 --> 01:10:17,960
Speaker 1: You know, It's just it just seems a little bit

1554
01:10:18,040 --> 01:10:19,760
Speaker 1: like a fifth year that money.

1555
01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:22,559
Speaker 4: I mean, well, I'm I mean, we're like Jacoby Brisset

1556
01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:24,720
Speaker 4: is not going to cost you anything, No, I and

1557
01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:26,040
Speaker 4: I know that, like it's.

1558
01:10:25,880 --> 01:10:28,000
Speaker 8: A fine line between like how much is like nothing,

1559
01:10:28,160 --> 01:10:30,000
Speaker 8: but it's something you know, and you're still going to

1560
01:10:30,080 --> 01:10:32,280
Speaker 8: have to sell it as this is who we are

1561
01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:34,439
Speaker 8: signing to probably be the stop gap, right.

1562
01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:36,720
Speaker 6: I can guarantee you you're not going to win a

1563
01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:40,679
Speaker 6: Super Bowl spending two million dollars in your quarterback because

1564
01:10:40,720 --> 01:10:43,280
Speaker 6: he ain't good enough. So you got to you got

1565
01:10:43,439 --> 01:10:45,120
Speaker 6: to understand that you're going to have to spend more

1566
01:10:45,160 --> 01:10:47,960
Speaker 6: money on your quarterback, whether you want to go big

1567
01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:51,400
Speaker 6: and obviously this is different now because of the injury

1568
01:10:51,439 --> 01:10:53,720
Speaker 6: and get Kirk Cousins, who's going to cost you, you know,

1569
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:56,320
Speaker 6: upwards of thirty five to forty million, or if you

1570
01:10:56,400 --> 01:10:59,719
Speaker 6: want to go the medium route with with Jacoby Brissett,

1571
01:10:59,760 --> 01:11:03,040
Speaker 6: who's gonna cost you what ten You'll give them if

1572
01:11:03,080 --> 01:11:04,800
Speaker 6: you give them an opportunity to start, you got to

1573
01:11:04,840 --> 01:11:05,519
Speaker 6: give him some money.

1574
01:11:06,120 --> 01:11:07,560
Speaker 1: Well, you're going to have to spend you know, like

1575
01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:10,639
Speaker 1: even forty nine ers they're starting to show with brock Purdy,

1576
01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:13,519
Speaker 1: you know it's getting a little tough over there. I

1577
01:11:13,640 --> 01:11:16,960
Speaker 1: mean they they could have proven to be an exception

1578
01:11:17,120 --> 01:11:20,120
Speaker 1: there where you could actually win with him, but then

1579
01:11:20,320 --> 01:11:21,960
Speaker 1: you know they're having their trouble right now.

1580
01:11:21,920 --> 01:11:23,840
Speaker 4: Well that's it. I just think that's the point, Like,

1581
01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:26,600
Speaker 4: if you're gonna I agree that if they're going to

1582
01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:28,599
Speaker 4: go back into the draft for a quarterback, that they

1583
01:11:28,680 --> 01:11:32,000
Speaker 4: have to have some veteran here. And it's not Mac

1584
01:11:32,080 --> 01:11:34,000
Speaker 4: and it's not Bailey Zappy, like, it has to be

1585
01:11:34,120 --> 01:11:38,840
Speaker 4: some some sort of veteran quarterback that could carry and

1586
01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:42,760
Speaker 4: not be completely dysfunctional for like four to six weeks.

1587
01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:45,160
Speaker 1: Think about the rest of the team too. They have

1588
01:11:45,320 --> 01:11:48,560
Speaker 1: to develop together, you can't. You know, the receivers have

1589
01:11:48,720 --> 01:11:50,519
Speaker 1: to get into a groove that you know, you have

1590
01:11:50,680 --> 01:11:52,360
Speaker 1: to have somebody competent back there.

1591
01:11:52,400 --> 01:11:53,800
Speaker 8: I mean, I would I would compare it a little

1592
01:11:53,800 --> 01:11:56,240
Speaker 8: bit to to the Cam Newton Jared Stidham thing, which

1593
01:11:56,280 --> 01:11:58,560
Speaker 8: I think, you know, in hindsight, you're like instead of

1594
01:11:58,640 --> 01:12:00,400
Speaker 8: and I know they didn't pay kill or right there

1595
01:12:00,520 --> 01:12:03,439
Speaker 8: right now, right you know, It's like I think at

1596
01:12:03,479 --> 01:12:05,680
Speaker 8: this point now, given what we experienced over the last

1597
01:12:05,680 --> 01:12:07,920
Speaker 8: few years, that we all would have said, let's just

1598
01:12:08,040 --> 01:12:10,040
Speaker 8: ride it out. Let's not worry about giving this team

1599
01:12:10,080 --> 01:12:12,160
Speaker 8: to Cam Newton and having the whole Cam Newton experience

1600
01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:14,000
Speaker 8: let's write it out with Stidham, and hey, maybe we

1601
01:12:14,120 --> 01:12:15,680
Speaker 8: end up with a better pick than what we ended

1602
01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:17,280
Speaker 8: up with to get Do you guys all.

1603
01:12:17,200 --> 01:12:20,920
Speaker 6: Know that I don't think a huge amount of ZAPPI okay,

1604
01:12:21,880 --> 01:12:23,880
Speaker 6: I think it's pretty clear what the coaches think of him.

1605
01:12:24,160 --> 01:12:28,320
Speaker 6: They cut them, so they obviously were happy. You know,

1606
01:12:28,400 --> 01:12:32,599
Speaker 6: fine if he ended up getting signed elsewhere. Does anybody

1607
01:12:34,240 --> 01:12:37,360
Speaker 6: wonder if we're wrong? Does anybody in the back of

1608
01:12:37,439 --> 01:12:40,040
Speaker 6: their mind say, I don't think he's any good either,

1609
01:12:41,280 --> 01:12:43,559
Speaker 6: But the two games he played last year against Cleveland

1610
01:12:43,600 --> 01:12:46,160
Speaker 6: and Detroit, it looked different than this. And now we're

1611
01:12:46,200 --> 01:12:52,240
Speaker 6: going on a year plus to steal Sparrow Did's description

1612
01:12:52,800 --> 01:12:56,360
Speaker 6: you know in the last two plus games, those guys,

1613
01:12:56,400 --> 01:12:58,160
Speaker 6: I'll tell you that that's what you really miss. Freddy

1614
01:12:58,520 --> 01:13:02,960
Speaker 6: the announcers, I'm happy every week I missed. But I

1615
01:13:03,040 --> 01:13:05,320
Speaker 6: mean it's bad when you don't have a good team

1616
01:13:05,360 --> 01:13:09,080
Speaker 6: and you get the D list. It's like listening to

1617
01:13:09,200 --> 01:13:12,880
Speaker 6: me on holiday fell into shows. My intrigue is, does

1618
01:13:12,920 --> 01:13:14,960
Speaker 6: any does anybody in the back of the mind say, like,

1619
01:13:15,120 --> 01:13:15,840
Speaker 6: maybe I'm wrong?

1620
01:13:16,040 --> 01:13:19,040
Speaker 8: Well, I just want to see maybe somebody who's note

1621
01:13:19,080 --> 01:13:21,960
Speaker 8: wasn't really asking you it's just the amount of baggage

1622
01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:24,120
Speaker 8: that Mac has right now with everything that's going on

1623
01:13:24,240 --> 01:13:25,800
Speaker 8: in that brain of his, Like you know what I mean,

1624
01:13:25,840 --> 01:13:30,160
Speaker 8: there's just something could possibly be if somebody else by quarterback.

1625
01:13:30,439 --> 01:13:31,640
Speaker 5: Yep, let's find out.

1626
01:13:31,680 --> 01:13:32,240
Speaker 3: I'm open to it.

1627
01:13:33,800 --> 01:13:37,240
Speaker 4: Worse like, like, let's be like, let's be fair, let's

1628
01:13:37,280 --> 01:13:37,679
Speaker 4: be fair.

1629
01:13:37,880 --> 01:13:37,920
Speaker 3: Like.

1630
01:13:38,160 --> 01:13:40,200
Speaker 4: I get they lost on Sunday, and I'm as negative

1631
01:13:40,200 --> 01:13:42,840
Speaker 4: about it as anybody, But one hundred and sixty yards

1632
01:13:43,640 --> 01:13:46,960
Speaker 4: the two scores. You think Bailey Zappi has any chance

1633
01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:48,200
Speaker 4: of beating Bubba in the week?

1634
01:13:48,880 --> 01:13:49,120
Speaker 9: Do I?

1635
01:13:49,479 --> 01:13:50,040
Speaker 1: At least no?

1636
01:13:50,280 --> 01:13:52,760
Speaker 6: But I'd like to find that out definitively, much like

1637
01:13:52,800 --> 01:13:54,559
Speaker 6: I never got a chance to find it out with Still.

1638
01:13:54,840 --> 01:13:57,240
Speaker 3: I think the difference is that Zappi isn't broken and

1639
01:13:57,360 --> 01:13:58,680
Speaker 3: he's not like, what do you mean?

1640
01:13:59,000 --> 01:14:01,360
Speaker 4: Zappi is definitely but he's just throwing the ball. He

1641
01:14:01,400 --> 01:14:02,959
Speaker 4: can't hit the broad side of a barn.

1642
01:14:02,840 --> 01:14:05,000
Speaker 3: But he's not out there panicking and leaving.

1643
01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:09,080
Speaker 4: I mean, I think he kind of is like he

1644
01:14:09,400 --> 01:14:11,599
Speaker 4: he literally every time I've seen him throw the ball

1645
01:14:11,680 --> 01:14:14,160
Speaker 4: since the summer, he's throwing the ball ten yards over

1646
01:14:14,200 --> 01:14:14,760
Speaker 4: the guy's head.

1647
01:14:15,240 --> 01:14:17,240
Speaker 3: It'd be nice It'd be nice for once to just

1648
01:14:17,360 --> 01:14:20,720
Speaker 3: like say, Zappi's starter today, give him all week to

1649
01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:23,280
Speaker 3: prepare and then put him out there, versus like having

1650
01:14:23,320 --> 01:14:26,120
Speaker 3: it be some random sneak thing and he just goes

1651
01:14:26,160 --> 01:14:27,960
Speaker 3: in second half of the game. I'd rather him have

1652
01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:28,880
Speaker 3: a full week to prepare.

1653
01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:33,680
Speaker 4: I understand, like where you're coming from. I just, I mean,

1654
01:14:35,200 --> 01:14:37,040
Speaker 4: there's nothing that could do that to make you think

1655
01:14:37,160 --> 01:14:38,559
Speaker 4: like this. We just got to get him out of there,

1656
01:14:38,680 --> 01:14:40,680
Speaker 4: going back to playing how he did against Dallas and

1657
01:14:40,720 --> 01:14:43,200
Speaker 4: New Orleans. If he if he starts turning the ball

1658
01:14:43,240 --> 01:14:44,320
Speaker 4: over like crazy like that.

1659
01:14:44,720 --> 01:14:47,439
Speaker 6: Yeah, the second half of that game the other day

1660
01:14:47,600 --> 01:14:51,160
Speaker 6: was awfully the Dallas adjacent There were a lot of

1661
01:14:51,240 --> 01:14:54,360
Speaker 6: balls thrown into heavy coverage in that game that didn't

1662
01:14:54,400 --> 01:14:54,920
Speaker 6: get picked off.

1663
01:14:55,040 --> 01:14:57,320
Speaker 4: If he's turning the ball over like crazy like that

1664
01:14:57,560 --> 01:15:01,200
Speaker 4: pick sixes things, then yeah, that and maybe I could

1665
01:15:01,240 --> 01:15:04,160
Speaker 4: be persuaded. I just I think the biggest thing for

1666
01:15:04,280 --> 01:15:06,559
Speaker 4: me is I just have no time for Bailey Zappy,

1667
01:15:06,760 --> 01:15:09,040
Speaker 4: Like I just it's just I don't want to spend

1668
01:15:09,080 --> 01:15:13,439
Speaker 4: any any breath on him and Will Greer, like, I

1669
01:15:13,600 --> 01:15:15,960
Speaker 4: just it just is not worth it to me. It's

1670
01:15:16,080 --> 01:15:18,880
Speaker 4: just not like to what end? To what end are

1671
01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:21,240
Speaker 4: we putting those guys in the game, Like, what are

1672
01:15:21,280 --> 01:15:24,280
Speaker 4: you hoping that he all like you're gonna catch lightning

1673
01:15:24,360 --> 01:15:26,320
Speaker 4: in a bottle and he's gonna actually win you some games?

1674
01:15:26,360 --> 01:15:28,559
Speaker 4: Like why would you even want that at this stage?

1675
01:15:28,840 --> 01:15:32,200
Speaker 4: So I just no, Like they're starting all over at

1676
01:15:32,280 --> 01:15:34,679
Speaker 4: quarterback in the off season regardless, So I just don't

1677
01:15:34,720 --> 01:15:36,559
Speaker 4: know what what the point is of even trying.

1678
01:15:36,640 --> 01:15:41,600
Speaker 1: What about this Levis kid? Yeah, four touchdowns in his

1679
01:15:41,680 --> 01:15:44,719
Speaker 1: first game? Now, where was he drafted?

1680
01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:46,519
Speaker 4: Second round? Top of the second round?

1681
01:15:46,640 --> 01:15:47,200
Speaker 1: Second round?

1682
01:15:47,560 --> 01:15:49,479
Speaker 5: Big fault? I mean everyone was kind of waiting for him.

1683
01:15:49,520 --> 01:15:51,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, he probably a lot of people thought he was

1684
01:15:51,720 --> 01:15:53,519
Speaker 6: going to go in the first round, but right he

1685
01:15:53,640 --> 01:15:56,160
Speaker 6: went in the second. I don't know if you watched

1686
01:15:56,160 --> 01:15:58,599
Speaker 6: any of it, just the highlights. One of the touchdowns

1687
01:15:58,720 --> 01:16:01,880
Speaker 6: was a punt, Yeah, I mean it was literally just

1688
01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:05,559
Speaker 6: threw one ups Hopkins just out muscled the Terrell, who's

1689
01:16:05,560 --> 01:16:10,040
Speaker 6: an excellent corner. Probably was offensive interference, but you made

1690
01:16:10,080 --> 01:16:13,439
Speaker 6: some other plays. Four touchdowns in his first games just

1691
01:16:13,479 --> 01:16:14,519
Speaker 6: a big He's a big dude.

1692
01:16:14,520 --> 01:16:16,799
Speaker 5: He's got the look you know, he's got the looks.

1693
01:16:16,600 --> 01:16:18,559
Speaker 4: Almost like DeAndre Hopkins would have helped.

1694
01:16:18,920 --> 01:16:20,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would be interested.

1695
01:16:21,520 --> 01:16:23,639
Speaker 8: We seriously, I mean, like, what what difference would would

1696
01:16:23,680 --> 01:16:25,439
Speaker 8: it make right now? Like I'm just I'm just putting

1697
01:16:25,640 --> 01:16:27,400
Speaker 8: like a difference, but you're talking about wins.

1698
01:16:27,680 --> 01:16:30,280
Speaker 3: This would Adams angry on the sideline.

1699
01:16:30,360 --> 01:16:33,120
Speaker 6: Probably probably nothing in terms of wins and losses, but

1700
01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:35,519
Speaker 6: to Evan's point, at least you'd have a chance to

1701
01:16:35,560 --> 01:16:38,120
Speaker 6: make some plays and maybe get a better idea.

1702
01:16:38,240 --> 01:16:38,280
Speaker 14: Like.

1703
01:16:38,920 --> 01:16:40,639
Speaker 6: One of the things that bugs me about the mac

1704
01:16:40,720 --> 01:16:46,960
Speaker 6: Jones people the apologists is the whole you know, weapons thing, yea,

1705
01:16:47,280 --> 01:16:51,200
Speaker 6: And they're not wrong, like they don't have a ton

1706
01:16:51,240 --> 01:16:53,920
Speaker 6: of weapons. I just feel like you should be able

1707
01:16:53,960 --> 01:16:56,280
Speaker 6: to do more with what they have than he's done something.

1708
01:16:57,520 --> 01:16:59,360
Speaker 6: If Hopkins was here, maybe they'd be less of that.

1709
01:16:59,600 --> 01:17:01,920
Speaker 6: You know, if they had this so that now, do

1710
01:17:02,040 --> 01:17:03,559
Speaker 6: I think they'd be six and two instead of two

1711
01:17:03,600 --> 01:17:04,120
Speaker 6: and six, No.

1712
01:17:04,720 --> 01:17:07,840
Speaker 4: Neither do I, but I they would have been maybe

1713
01:17:07,920 --> 01:17:09,960
Speaker 4: maybe three and five significantly better.

1714
01:17:11,680 --> 01:17:14,519
Speaker 1: I just can't get around that offensive line though, I mean,

1715
01:17:14,920 --> 01:17:15,840
Speaker 1: that's gonna be the same.

1716
01:17:15,880 --> 01:17:18,639
Speaker 6: You should watch some other games like and see guys

1717
01:17:18,760 --> 01:17:19,400
Speaker 6: like yeah.

1718
01:17:19,400 --> 01:17:23,080
Speaker 3: Under Underseas Borrow make it far with a bad offensive.

1719
01:17:22,680 --> 01:17:25,519
Speaker 6: Line, like Sam Howell's put over thirty points on the

1720
01:17:25,520 --> 01:17:26,360
Speaker 6: board three times.

1721
01:17:26,800 --> 01:17:30,160
Speaker 1: But even now, I mean, did you see Burrow last week?

1722
01:17:30,400 --> 01:17:33,439
Speaker 1: He was he was like a man like on fire

1723
01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:36,800
Speaker 1: getting killed and he was still making like I mean,

1724
01:17:36,920 --> 01:17:39,679
Speaker 1: he's stiffed armed Joey Boza to the ground. He did

1725
01:17:40,439 --> 01:17:44,040
Speaker 1: Nick Bosa the good one. Yeah, I mean like he

1726
01:17:44,280 --> 01:17:45,680
Speaker 1: was he was unbelievable.

1727
01:17:45,720 --> 01:17:47,040
Speaker 3: But that's a good quarterback.

1728
01:17:47,160 --> 01:17:49,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's a guy like he's a pocket passer,

1729
01:17:49,840 --> 01:17:52,600
Speaker 1: but when he has to run, he can run. You know,

1730
01:17:52,920 --> 01:17:54,639
Speaker 1: I think you need that in today's NFL.

1731
01:17:55,000 --> 01:17:57,960
Speaker 6: And that's to me, the difference between like clocked in

1732
01:17:58,000 --> 01:17:59,920
Speaker 6: the forty. I'll bet you he's not any who care.

1733
01:18:00,160 --> 01:18:02,800
Speaker 6: I bet you he's not significantly better than Mac. If

1734
01:18:02,840 --> 01:18:05,040
Speaker 6: he's even better, I don't even know if he has.

1735
01:18:05,520 --> 01:18:07,360
Speaker 6: But he's a much better athlete than Mac.

1736
01:18:07,439 --> 01:18:07,559
Speaker 1: Oh.

1737
01:18:07,640 --> 01:18:10,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, he moves much better than Mac.

1738
01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:10,240
Speaker 22: Does.

1739
01:18:10,400 --> 01:18:13,680
Speaker 4: I just to the Hopkins thing real quick, and like

1740
01:18:13,760 --> 01:18:17,120
Speaker 4: I just take a quick victory lap on this because like,

1741
01:18:17,280 --> 01:18:20,360
Speaker 4: obviously the guy can still play. But the thing is is,

1742
01:18:20,479 --> 01:18:22,640
Speaker 4: like you do I think they would be six and

1743
01:18:22,720 --> 01:18:25,080
Speaker 4: two instead of two and six and no, but it

1744
01:18:25,240 --> 01:18:27,880
Speaker 4: starts in camp, right, Like, and if you have a

1745
01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:30,200
Speaker 4: guy like Hopkins. This is my whole thing with Hopkins,

1746
01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:32,560
Speaker 4: Like you bring a guy in hot like Hopkins in

1747
01:18:33,080 --> 01:18:36,679
Speaker 4: and he's you get some confidence, you get some swagger

1748
01:18:36,920 --> 01:18:39,679
Speaker 4: in your locker room on the offensive side of the football,

1749
01:18:40,160 --> 01:18:44,200
Speaker 4: and all of that starts in August and and we

1750
01:18:44,320 --> 01:18:47,000
Speaker 4: don't know that if they started at the beginning of

1751
01:18:47,080 --> 01:18:50,240
Speaker 4: training camp in July with DeAndre Hopkins as their number

1752
01:18:50,280 --> 01:18:55,280
Speaker 4: one wide receiver, how they would be playing offensively even

1753
01:18:55,960 --> 01:18:58,519
Speaker 4: you know, a month into the season, like against Dallas

1754
01:18:58,600 --> 01:18:59,880
Speaker 4: and New Orleans. Do I think they would have won

1755
01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:00,639
Speaker 4: those games?

1756
01:19:00,760 --> 01:19:00,800
Speaker 3: No?

1757
01:19:01,320 --> 01:19:03,479
Speaker 4: But like, could they have been more representable on that

1758
01:19:03,640 --> 01:19:06,000
Speaker 4: side of the ball? Would they not have been thirty

1759
01:19:06,120 --> 01:19:07,519
Speaker 4: second in the league in scoring?

1760
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:10,160
Speaker 6: Like I just a we really last in the league

1761
01:19:10,160 --> 01:19:10,519
Speaker 6: in scoring?

1762
01:19:10,760 --> 01:19:13,400
Speaker 4: I think they're thirty first now Giants.

1763
01:19:13,240 --> 01:19:18,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, giants are I think averaging under fifteen points a

1764
01:19:18,479 --> 01:19:19,240
Speaker 1: game or something like that.

1765
01:19:19,479 --> 01:19:22,760
Speaker 4: It just all these like when it comes to it's

1766
01:19:22,840 --> 01:19:25,000
Speaker 4: just like we were talking about earlier with Tua. Tua

1767
01:19:25,080 --> 01:19:27,040
Speaker 4: can throw the ball early to Tyreek Kill because he

1768
01:19:27,120 --> 01:19:28,680
Speaker 4: knows Tyreek Hill is going to make a play on

1769
01:19:28,760 --> 01:19:31,920
Speaker 4: the ball, and those types of things like that, That

1770
01:19:32,160 --> 01:19:35,920
Speaker 4: confidence can kind of exude everybody else on the team,

1771
01:19:36,000 --> 01:19:38,879
Speaker 4: so you're not you know, the quarterback isn't elevating anybody,

1772
01:19:38,960 --> 01:19:41,560
Speaker 4: so maybe a guy like Hopkins would have elevated. And

1773
01:19:41,640 --> 01:19:44,280
Speaker 4: then you have Hopkins and then you know, I know

1774
01:19:44,360 --> 01:19:46,599
Speaker 4: he's hurt now, but like Kendrick Bourne is your number two,

1775
01:19:46,680 --> 01:19:50,639
Speaker 4: Pop Douglas three, and it just all kind of put

1776
01:19:50,720 --> 01:19:54,720
Speaker 4: fits together better, like I just yeah, it's you can't

1777
01:19:54,800 --> 01:19:57,280
Speaker 4: just look at it as like you know, would they

1778
01:19:57,320 --> 01:19:59,400
Speaker 4: have you know, what does it mean right now? If

1779
01:19:59,439 --> 01:20:01,759
Speaker 4: they have hot like it starts at the beginning?

1780
01:20:02,240 --> 01:20:02,760
Speaker 6: Get your point?

1781
01:20:03,160 --> 01:20:04,960
Speaker 1: Nickson Australia, what's up?

1782
01:20:06,720 --> 01:20:11,360
Speaker 11: Good? That's good. I agree with you. I'm sorry is

1783
01:20:11,400 --> 01:20:14,679
Speaker 11: that being give him a guy? Well, we've got nothing

1784
01:20:14,720 --> 01:20:16,120
Speaker 11: to lose, so I agree with.

1785
01:20:16,160 --> 01:20:16,439
Speaker 16: You on that.

1786
01:20:17,360 --> 01:20:18,599
Speaker 4: The top five pick in the draft.

1787
01:20:19,280 --> 01:20:20,760
Speaker 6: Oh so you're afraid he actually right?

1788
01:20:21,200 --> 01:20:23,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that's what you're all telling me, is that.

1789
01:20:25,360 --> 01:20:27,560
Speaker 6: I want to say that I want to close the

1790
01:20:27,600 --> 01:20:31,240
Speaker 6: book on Zappy out because that one was closed the day.

1791
01:20:32,000 --> 01:20:34,000
Speaker 1: Why is he here now now all of a sudden, Evan,

1792
01:20:34,000 --> 01:20:35,200
Speaker 1: you're afraid he's gonna win game?

1793
01:20:35,400 --> 01:20:35,559
Speaker 20: Right?

1794
01:20:35,680 --> 01:20:36,639
Speaker 4: But that's what I've been told.

1795
01:20:38,640 --> 01:20:39,240
Speaker 1: Have you been told?

1796
01:20:39,360 --> 01:20:40,719
Speaker 6: You haven't been told that by anybody.

1797
01:20:41,560 --> 01:20:42,559
Speaker 4: That's kind of what I'm hearing.

1798
01:20:43,400 --> 01:20:45,599
Speaker 3: We're saying, put him in there because we're so there's

1799
01:20:45,640 --> 01:20:46,360
Speaker 3: no point anyway.

1800
01:20:46,400 --> 01:20:47,160
Speaker 4: I already done.

1801
01:20:48,080 --> 01:20:52,439
Speaker 11: I've got a question for you after watching the film,

1802
01:20:52,479 --> 01:20:54,639
Speaker 11: what defensively could we done better?

1803
01:20:56,200 --> 01:20:56,479
Speaker 9: Downs?

1804
01:20:56,479 --> 01:20:59,679
Speaker 11: I probably sort of off coverage is soft and Miami

1805
01:20:59,760 --> 01:21:01,679
Speaker 11: to get some easy fourth down and keep the drawing

1806
01:21:01,760 --> 01:21:04,320
Speaker 11: going on. Just appreciate your break down on the film.

1807
01:21:04,439 --> 01:21:07,120
Speaker 11: So as long as what you thought defensively we could

1808
01:21:07,120 --> 01:21:07,599
Speaker 11: have done better?

1809
01:21:07,840 --> 01:21:11,679
Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks, I appreciate that. I think the biggest thing, honestly,

1810
01:21:11,760 --> 01:21:13,920
Speaker 4: they kind of beat themselves in a lot of situations

1811
01:21:14,360 --> 01:21:18,479
Speaker 4: in this game. Defensively, I thought that they started letting

1812
01:21:18,600 --> 01:21:22,200
Speaker 4: like Miami's scheme, like the motions and the conflict and

1813
01:21:22,520 --> 01:21:24,560
Speaker 4: all those things that they put in the defense, like

1814
01:21:24,800 --> 01:21:27,040
Speaker 4: just pull them out of zones and move them. And

1815
01:21:27,080 --> 01:21:31,200
Speaker 4: then obviously like on the coverage bus to on the touchdown,

1816
01:21:31,280 --> 01:21:34,360
Speaker 4: on the backbreaker to Wattle, like it's just a communication breakdown,

1817
01:21:34,479 --> 01:21:38,559
Speaker 4: Like that's not the offense didn't do anything like exotic

1818
01:21:38,720 --> 01:21:41,439
Speaker 4: or crazy. They just used the motion that they've used

1819
01:21:41,479 --> 01:21:44,599
Speaker 4: fifty times a game, and Jack Jones and Jonathan Jones

1820
01:21:44,760 --> 01:21:48,680
Speaker 4: just were on different pages. It just you can't have

1821
01:21:48,800 --> 01:21:51,040
Speaker 4: that happen, you know, if the defense gets to stop there.

1822
01:21:51,120 --> 01:21:53,080
Speaker 4: And I'm not saying that they win the game, but

1823
01:21:53,600 --> 01:21:55,519
Speaker 4: it's a one score game and you give the ball

1824
01:21:55,600 --> 01:21:57,879
Speaker 4: back to the offense after they just scored a touchdown

1825
01:21:57,960 --> 01:22:01,160
Speaker 4: and you just never know. And the defense not only

1826
01:22:01,200 --> 01:22:03,599
Speaker 4: did they give up a touchdown, but they they gave

1827
01:22:03,680 --> 01:22:06,479
Speaker 4: them They handed them a touchdown by the coverage bus.

1828
01:22:06,600 --> 01:22:09,360
Speaker 4: So I thought a lot of it was like communication

1829
01:22:09,640 --> 01:22:11,760
Speaker 4: and just kind of bad eyes. Like did J. C.

1830
01:22:11,960 --> 01:22:14,960
Speaker 4: Jackson and Mapu getting their eyes caught in the backfield

1831
01:22:15,040 --> 01:22:17,720
Speaker 4: on the play action and He'll just goes right by him.

1832
01:22:17,800 --> 01:22:19,639
Speaker 1: Like would that have happened with mccordy out there?

1833
01:22:20,640 --> 01:22:20,840
Speaker 2: Never?

1834
01:22:21,120 --> 01:22:23,360
Speaker 4: I don't think so. But like, I mean, he might

1835
01:22:23,400 --> 01:22:25,439
Speaker 4: have still made the catch over Devin mccorty. I'm not

1836
01:22:25,439 --> 01:22:27,120
Speaker 4: gonna say. I don't think mccordy would have been in

1837
01:22:27,200 --> 01:22:30,800
Speaker 4: that bad a position. But like that, it's just bad eyes,

1838
01:22:30,840 --> 01:22:32,920
Speaker 4: Like it's just bad technique. Like it's not like Miami

1839
01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:34,559
Speaker 4: did anything super exotic.

1840
01:22:35,280 --> 01:22:37,559
Speaker 1: Todd's in North Carolina. What's up, Todd?

1841
01:22:38,520 --> 01:22:41,519
Speaker 15: Yeah, I'm fine to talk about the quarterback of the future.

1842
01:22:41,640 --> 01:22:44,320
Speaker 15: Very interesting when we haven't really addressed. The bigger issue

1843
01:22:44,439 --> 01:22:48,080
Speaker 15: is do we think our current staff can take a

1844
01:22:48,160 --> 01:22:51,200
Speaker 15: quarterback and develop them after what happened with Mac Do

1845
01:22:51,320 --> 01:22:52,120
Speaker 15: we really feel it.

1846
01:22:52,439 --> 01:22:52,599
Speaker 3: Well.

1847
01:22:52,640 --> 01:22:55,679
Speaker 1: I've always said that if if they are in line

1848
01:22:55,760 --> 01:22:58,920
Speaker 1: to take one of the top quarterbacks, it's got to

1849
01:22:58,960 --> 01:23:03,240
Speaker 1: be a new because you want whoever that regime is

1850
01:23:03,439 --> 01:23:06,320
Speaker 1: in the quarterback to be the future together. You don't

1851
01:23:06,320 --> 01:23:09,000
Speaker 1: want Bill Belichick. As much as I think he's great,

1852
01:23:09,760 --> 01:23:14,320
Speaker 1: he's you know, considering his age and his contract, He's

1853
01:23:14,360 --> 01:23:15,400
Speaker 1: not gonna be around forever.

1854
01:23:15,720 --> 01:23:16,320
Speaker 6: That's his point.

1855
01:23:16,400 --> 01:23:17,000
Speaker 9: I mean, this guy.

1856
01:23:17,160 --> 01:23:19,799
Speaker 6: I thought Bill O'Brien did a good job with Deshaun Watson.

1857
01:23:19,880 --> 01:23:22,120
Speaker 6: I thought Watson played the best football of his career

1858
01:23:22,200 --> 01:23:24,320
Speaker 6: when Bill O'Brien was developing him.

1859
01:23:24,439 --> 01:23:28,200
Speaker 4: Okay, so I'm less concerned about them coaching him on

1860
01:23:28,360 --> 01:23:31,040
Speaker 4: the field than I am the personnel side of it

1861
01:23:31,160 --> 01:23:33,680
Speaker 4: of surrounding him with the talent that he's gonna need.

1862
01:23:33,880 --> 01:23:36,400
Speaker 4: Like I know, everybody thinks, you know, not everybody. I

1863
01:23:36,479 --> 01:23:39,000
Speaker 4: know some people think that if they drop Drake May

1864
01:23:39,080 --> 01:23:40,960
Speaker 4: into this offense and all of a sudden, the offense

1865
01:23:41,040 --> 01:23:42,640
Speaker 4: is gonna start lighting it up because they have a

1866
01:23:42,680 --> 01:23:45,800
Speaker 4: better quarterback. But the reality is is that there's gonna,

1867
01:23:46,040 --> 01:23:49,479
Speaker 4: especially a young quarterback, it's gonna it's gonna be an

1868
01:23:49,560 --> 01:23:52,320
Speaker 4: uphill battle for that guy to come into this offense

1869
01:23:52,360 --> 01:23:55,000
Speaker 4: with this group of you know, receivers and stuff like

1870
01:23:55,080 --> 01:23:57,439
Speaker 4: that and make it so like.

1871
01:23:57,680 --> 01:24:00,240
Speaker 1: So let's just say, you know, Paul, you know Bill

1872
01:24:00,240 --> 01:24:02,920
Speaker 1: O'Brien did a great job with Deshaun Watson, right he

1873
01:24:03,080 --> 01:24:03,679
Speaker 1: was the head coach.

1874
01:24:03,840 --> 01:24:05,639
Speaker 6: I mean, I think that he played his best football

1875
01:24:05,720 --> 01:24:07,479
Speaker 6: when he had Brian as head coach.

1876
01:24:07,760 --> 01:24:10,680
Speaker 1: And you know, so I guess you're intimating that, well,

1877
01:24:10,720 --> 01:24:12,680
Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien will be here and he's the person that

1878
01:24:12,720 --> 01:24:13,240
Speaker 1: could develop.

1879
01:24:13,360 --> 01:24:15,479
Speaker 6: No, but I think Todd was asking if we had

1880
01:24:15,520 --> 01:24:18,719
Speaker 6: any confidence in this coaching staff's ability to develop a quarterback.

1881
01:24:18,720 --> 01:24:19,200
Speaker 6: Who I think.

1882
01:24:20,680 --> 01:24:22,040
Speaker 1: Is Bill O'Brien going to be here?

1883
01:24:22,760 --> 01:24:24,880
Speaker 6: I don't know how long any but he's But Todd

1884
01:24:24,920 --> 01:24:26,639
Speaker 6: asked a question about this coaching staff.

1885
01:24:26,720 --> 01:24:26,920
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1886
01:24:27,160 --> 01:24:30,280
Speaker 6: So I was trying to like Bill O'Brien like, and

1887
01:24:30,360 --> 01:24:33,160
Speaker 6: he wasn't perfect with Watson. I actually think when he

1888
01:24:33,280 --> 01:24:36,679
Speaker 6: got fired, O'Brien got fired and the Texans fell apart.

1889
01:24:37,280 --> 01:24:40,280
Speaker 6: Statistically might have been Watson's best year when that the

1890
01:24:40,320 --> 01:24:43,240
Speaker 6: four and twelve year I think, you know, sort of

1891
01:24:43,600 --> 01:24:46,320
Speaker 6: so it's not like perfect, but I think he did

1892
01:24:46,400 --> 01:24:49,439
Speaker 6: pretty well. I think O'Brien did pretty well. I tend

1893
01:24:49,520 --> 01:24:51,160
Speaker 6: to agree with you, Fred, if they're in, if they

1894
01:24:51,240 --> 01:24:55,920
Speaker 6: pick Evans guy, and I think you got to start

1895
01:24:55,960 --> 01:24:57,400
Speaker 6: the whole thing over with a new regime.

1896
01:24:57,760 --> 01:24:57,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1897
01:24:58,160 --> 01:25:02,160
Speaker 4: I just think that until the people making the personnel

1898
01:25:02,240 --> 01:25:06,840
Speaker 4: decisions arrive in twenty twenty three and actually run the

1899
01:25:06,920 --> 01:25:11,519
Speaker 4: team like a modern NFL operation, no matter who you

1900
01:25:11,560 --> 01:25:14,360
Speaker 4: put at quarterback, if he's throwing to Devonte Parker and

1901
01:25:14,439 --> 01:25:18,280
Speaker 4: Hunter Henry and Pop Douglas, you know, six months after

1902
01:25:18,400 --> 01:25:21,200
Speaker 4: he got drafted. Like, it's just it's not gonna be

1903
01:25:21,280 --> 01:25:22,880
Speaker 4: all that much better, Like it could it? Would it

1904
01:25:22,920 --> 01:25:25,759
Speaker 4: be better? Yeah, it could be, But is it gonna

1905
01:25:25,840 --> 01:25:28,280
Speaker 4: Are they gonna go from being what they are now

1906
01:25:28,400 --> 01:25:33,800
Speaker 4: to like a championship caliber offense. No, that's a philosophical

1907
01:25:33,880 --> 01:25:36,519
Speaker 4: thing that they have to get their head around. Otherwise

1908
01:25:36,560 --> 01:25:38,040
Speaker 4: this is just gonna be the same thing over and

1909
01:25:38,120 --> 01:25:38,439
Speaker 4: over again.

1910
01:25:38,439 --> 01:25:40,040
Speaker 8: I feel like twenty twenty one should be, you know,

1911
01:25:40,240 --> 01:25:42,559
Speaker 8: the cautionary tale of like that's probably as good as

1912
01:25:42,640 --> 01:25:44,640
Speaker 8: this offense could have been with mac Att quarterback and

1913
01:25:44,680 --> 01:25:45,880
Speaker 8: those pieces that you mentioned.

1914
01:25:46,160 --> 01:25:47,840
Speaker 5: You know, I know, I know, you know Parker wasn't

1915
01:25:47,880 --> 01:25:49,600
Speaker 5: here yet, but you know that was as good as

1916
01:25:49,640 --> 01:25:52,680
Speaker 5: it was, and it was still really difficult to like

1917
01:25:52,840 --> 01:25:54,760
Speaker 5: make every It couldn't work half.

1918
01:25:54,800 --> 01:25:56,720
Speaker 1: You just have to be smart because, like Kevin said

1919
01:25:56,760 --> 01:25:58,639
Speaker 1: at the top of the show, you're not gonna fix

1920
01:25:58,720 --> 01:26:00,640
Speaker 1: it all in one season though. You know there's so

1921
01:26:00,760 --> 01:26:03,120
Speaker 1: many pieces, you're not going to get it all in

1922
01:26:03,240 --> 01:26:05,920
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. So then you you have to be

1923
01:26:06,200 --> 01:26:10,160
Speaker 1: very strategic about Okay, if we do get fortunate enough

1924
01:26:10,240 --> 01:26:13,200
Speaker 1: to get the guy at quarterback, we can't put him

1925
01:26:13,200 --> 01:26:15,519
Speaker 1: in a position to get his brains beat out every week,

1926
01:26:15,720 --> 01:26:18,320
Speaker 1: you know, So maybe he sits for a while until

1927
01:26:18,400 --> 01:26:21,120
Speaker 1: we get those other pieces. If not, you just gonna

1928
01:26:21,120 --> 01:26:24,680
Speaker 1: be careful about how you use him and what his experiences.

1929
01:26:25,240 --> 01:26:28,160
Speaker 1: You know, in his first year, it's tough.

1930
01:26:28,400 --> 01:26:31,599
Speaker 3: I feel like the expiration day is here for rebuild

1931
01:26:31,760 --> 01:26:34,280
Speaker 3: because this team has been rebuilding since before I got here,

1932
01:26:34,520 --> 01:26:36,840
Speaker 3: and I'm over and I've been here for three years,

1933
01:26:37,240 --> 01:26:39,800
Speaker 3: so I feel like they can't waste any more time

1934
01:26:39,880 --> 01:26:42,160
Speaker 3: next year with this current staff that they've allowed four

1935
01:26:42,240 --> 01:26:44,920
Speaker 3: years to rebuild and nothing's been rebuilt. I feel like

1936
01:26:45,000 --> 01:26:47,360
Speaker 3: it's still dirt. Like nothing's been built. A home has

1937
01:26:47,400 --> 01:26:49,240
Speaker 3: not been built. A structure is not nothing.

1938
01:26:49,400 --> 01:26:51,559
Speaker 1: Well it's you know, I got into a whole thing

1939
01:26:51,600 --> 01:26:54,439
Speaker 1: with somebody after the game. You know, Well, they haven't

1940
01:26:54,520 --> 01:26:56,680
Speaker 1: drafted that poorly. They have a lot of talent on

1941
01:26:56,800 --> 01:27:00,200
Speaker 1: the team. I'm like, I'm like, you're competing, You're it's

1942
01:27:00,400 --> 01:27:03,040
Speaker 1: you're it's relative to the team. Like there are guys

1943
01:27:03,080 --> 01:27:05,360
Speaker 1: of this team that are the better players, but you

1944
01:27:05,479 --> 01:27:07,599
Speaker 1: take them out of this team, are they that good?

1945
01:27:08,080 --> 01:27:11,280
Speaker 1: And who are the foundational players? Who are the players

1946
01:27:11,320 --> 01:27:15,120
Speaker 1: in this team that you're gonna build around. Gonzales has

1947
01:27:15,160 --> 01:27:19,720
Speaker 1: probably one Judan if you keep them is too well,

1948
01:27:19,760 --> 01:27:20,800
Speaker 1: yeah he's older, right.

1949
01:27:21,120 --> 01:27:23,120
Speaker 6: So Judon has been great, but he's gonna be on

1950
01:27:23,160 --> 01:27:24,800
Speaker 6: the team next year maybe, right, So.

1951
01:27:25,560 --> 01:27:26,960
Speaker 1: It might be just Gonzales.

1952
01:27:27,320 --> 01:27:29,640
Speaker 4: But I I you know, I'll tell you this, If

1953
01:27:29,720 --> 01:27:33,680
Speaker 4: they spend any major resources on defense, I'm out, Like,

1954
01:27:33,760 --> 01:27:36,799
Speaker 4: whoever is in charge, I'm out. Like, so they're totally

1955
01:27:37,360 --> 01:27:39,600
Speaker 4: on the defensive side of the football, Like, they have

1956
01:27:39,760 --> 01:27:42,599
Speaker 4: plenty of talent on defense to the point where they

1957
01:27:42,680 --> 01:27:45,760
Speaker 4: can actually like hang with Miami defensively. For a little while,

1958
01:27:46,240 --> 01:27:48,760
Speaker 4: despite the fact that they have tons of injuries on

1959
01:27:48,880 --> 01:27:51,080
Speaker 4: that side of the ball. So I think that they

1960
01:27:51,120 --> 01:27:52,200
Speaker 4: are more than said.

1961
01:27:52,040 --> 01:27:54,280
Speaker 1: On and I think they're set on defense because they're

1962
01:27:54,280 --> 01:27:56,960
Speaker 1: well coached. It's not like they have great players.

1963
01:27:57,080 --> 01:27:59,639
Speaker 4: I disagree. I think I think they have good players

1964
01:27:59,680 --> 01:28:00,000
Speaker 4: on def.

1965
01:28:00,200 --> 01:28:03,040
Speaker 1: I didn't say good, I said great players. And when

1966
01:28:03,040 --> 01:28:05,000
Speaker 1: I say great players, I mean guys that you're going

1967
01:28:05,080 --> 01:28:07,479
Speaker 1: to pay top money for their position.

1968
01:28:07,640 --> 01:28:09,839
Speaker 4: I think that they have good enough players on defense

1969
01:28:09,840 --> 01:28:10,720
Speaker 4: in today's NFL to.

1970
01:28:10,760 --> 01:28:12,439
Speaker 1: Win because they're well coached.

1971
01:28:12,479 --> 01:28:14,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think you have good enough players on defense

1972
01:28:15,000 --> 01:28:16,800
Speaker 6: to win if you score thirty plus every game. I

1973
01:28:16,840 --> 01:28:18,599
Speaker 6: don't think they have a good enough defense to win

1974
01:28:18,840 --> 01:28:21,120
Speaker 6: on defense, but I don't think anybody doesn't know.

1975
01:28:21,200 --> 01:28:22,720
Speaker 4: I mean that's that's that's the goal.

1976
01:28:22,800 --> 01:28:25,640
Speaker 1: But I think in today's NFL they have a good

1977
01:28:25,760 --> 01:28:27,360
Speaker 1: enough defense that.

1978
01:28:27,439 --> 01:28:30,040
Speaker 6: I think you could probably say twenty five teams have

1979
01:28:30,080 --> 01:28:31,519
Speaker 6: a good enough defense as long as you just scoring

1980
01:28:31,560 --> 01:28:32,559
Speaker 6: thirty plus points every year.

1981
01:28:32,560 --> 01:28:33,920
Speaker 4: I don't think they need to do everything.

1982
01:28:34,120 --> 01:28:35,840
Speaker 6: I think they need to score thirty plus today, have

1983
01:28:36,000 --> 01:28:39,240
Speaker 6: everybody healthy. I don't think that they're fine. They're not

1984
01:28:39,400 --> 01:28:42,800
Speaker 6: that good on defense against good offenses. They're just not okay.

1985
01:28:43,720 --> 01:28:45,639
Speaker 1: I don't know if if they had scored twenty seven

1986
01:28:45,720 --> 01:28:47,760
Speaker 1: points a game, they would have won a lot of

1987
01:28:47,800 --> 01:28:51,320
Speaker 1: games this year. They don't have to score thirty points

1988
01:28:51,360 --> 01:28:51,599
Speaker 1: a game.

1989
01:28:51,680 --> 01:28:52,960
Speaker 6: You can't do it that way.

1990
01:28:53,560 --> 01:28:54,760
Speaker 1: You can't. I know you can't do it.

1991
01:28:55,040 --> 01:28:57,479
Speaker 6: You can't just pretend the other team stopped scoring and

1992
01:28:57,560 --> 01:28:58,800
Speaker 6: that was all they were going to score.

1993
01:28:59,040 --> 01:28:59,880
Speaker 9: Well, I like that.

1994
01:29:00,000 --> 01:29:03,240
Speaker 6: That's not how it works. I'm telling you. There's a

1995
01:29:03,320 --> 01:29:05,640
Speaker 6: lot of situations the last three or four years when

1996
01:29:05,680 --> 01:29:08,760
Speaker 6: the Patriots have had, quote a really good defense that

1997
01:29:08,920 --> 01:29:11,680
Speaker 6: the other team needs the offense just needs that one

1998
01:29:11,760 --> 01:29:14,600
Speaker 6: more stop, and then what happens on Sunday happens, And that.

1999
01:29:14,680 --> 01:29:18,080
Speaker 1: Happens in every game in the NFL. To most defenses,

2000
01:29:18,200 --> 01:29:18,679
Speaker 1: it's very.

2001
01:29:18,720 --> 01:29:20,960
Speaker 6: That's exactly what I just said, right, But there's twenty

2002
01:29:21,000 --> 01:29:22,599
Speaker 6: five teams that could say, but you don't.

2003
01:29:22,439 --> 01:29:24,360
Speaker 1: Have to have a lights out defense in the NFL.

2004
01:29:24,400 --> 01:29:25,240
Speaker 6: I totally agree.

2005
01:29:25,320 --> 01:29:28,360
Speaker 1: And I think the Patriots have a good enough defense.

2006
01:29:28,200 --> 01:29:31,439
Speaker 6: If you have a great offense, I don't That's all

2007
01:29:31,479 --> 01:29:33,920
Speaker 6: I would say. I think you are good enough on defense.

2008
01:29:34,160 --> 01:29:36,280
Speaker 6: I don't think you can get all that much better.

2009
01:29:36,720 --> 01:29:40,040
Speaker 6: I thought San Francisco had one of those defenses. Everybody's

2010
01:29:40,080 --> 01:29:42,320
Speaker 6: all over Brock party, and no one's talking about the

2011
01:29:42,360 --> 01:29:44,840
Speaker 6: fact that the other team scores thirty plus in back

2012
01:29:44,880 --> 01:29:47,479
Speaker 6: to back games against them. Yeah, that's why they've lost.

2013
01:29:48,479 --> 01:29:50,400
Speaker 6: Like Brock Purdy is what he is. He's the set,

2014
01:29:50,880 --> 01:29:52,920
Speaker 6: you know, a seventh round pick. And they're only scoring

2015
01:29:53,000 --> 01:29:56,240
Speaker 6: seventeen points suddenly, but they can't stop anybody. That's the

2016
01:29:56,320 --> 01:29:57,080
Speaker 6: biggest difference.

2017
01:29:57,120 --> 01:29:59,360
Speaker 4: I think we're saying the same thing, but we're saying

2018
01:29:59,400 --> 01:30:04,960
Speaker 4: it differently. Like the Patriots defense for today's NFL is fine.

2019
01:30:05,200 --> 01:30:07,439
Speaker 4: Is they could win a Super Bowl if their defense

2020
01:30:07,600 --> 01:30:09,040
Speaker 4: was this good, they could?

2021
01:30:09,240 --> 01:30:13,280
Speaker 6: I agree, there are then, but who like who couldn't

2022
01:30:13,479 --> 01:30:16,200
Speaker 6: then if their defense was Like well.

2023
01:30:15,880 --> 01:30:17,680
Speaker 4: Paul, their defense is better than you're giving it.

2024
01:30:17,800 --> 01:30:19,760
Speaker 6: Like I think their defense is fine. I don't think

2025
01:30:19,760 --> 01:30:21,920
Speaker 6: it's anything special, Okay, but you guys think it's better

2026
01:30:21,960 --> 01:30:22,360
Speaker 6: than I think.

2027
01:30:22,360 --> 01:30:24,439
Speaker 4: You No, But it's not just that like they what

2028
01:30:24,680 --> 01:30:26,560
Speaker 4: you just mentioned, like the forty nine ers, and you

2029
01:30:26,640 --> 01:30:29,679
Speaker 4: thought that their defense was special. There's no special defense

2030
01:30:29,760 --> 01:30:32,439
Speaker 4: than this one. But there's no special defenses anymore.

2031
01:30:32,439 --> 01:30:35,080
Speaker 6: I agree, so, but but you can't tell me that

2032
01:30:35,160 --> 01:30:37,920
Speaker 6: that Like to Fred's point, they do have great players

2033
01:30:38,000 --> 01:30:40,719
Speaker 6: on defense, this one doesn't.

2034
01:30:41,600 --> 01:30:44,040
Speaker 4: I think the Patriots have a lot of really good

2035
01:30:44,080 --> 01:30:47,679
Speaker 4: players on defense that maybe it's elevated by the coaching,

2036
01:30:47,880 --> 01:30:49,479
Speaker 4: like Shore, I can give you that, But I think

2037
01:30:49,520 --> 01:30:51,880
Speaker 4: that this defense could win a lot of game.

2038
01:30:52,040 --> 01:30:55,440
Speaker 1: But I think I think that the conversation diverted originally

2039
01:30:55,560 --> 01:30:59,240
Speaker 1: started by who are the foundational players you can build around?

2040
01:30:59,400 --> 01:31:00,720
Speaker 1: And I don't think right now they have.

2041
01:31:00,960 --> 01:31:02,200
Speaker 6: I'll get back to it. I want to see if

2042
01:31:02,200 --> 01:31:06,000
Speaker 6: I can make Evan's head explode. So you made a

2043
01:31:06,080 --> 01:31:09,160
Speaker 6: comment about if they add on defense, this is totally

2044
01:31:09,200 --> 01:31:11,120
Speaker 6: different than the other argument. Don't worry, Okay, don't put

2045
01:31:11,120 --> 01:31:15,000
Speaker 6: that bad look on your face. Mike Lombardi yesterday had

2046
01:31:15,120 --> 01:31:18,280
Speaker 6: some things about Chase Young. Oh, they get up, they

2047
01:31:18,320 --> 01:31:22,200
Speaker 6: get off the snap, this and that, blah. What if

2048
01:31:22,240 --> 01:31:24,280
Speaker 6: the Patriots acquire Chase Young today is not going to

2049
01:31:24,360 --> 01:31:24,840
Speaker 6: make you die?

2050
01:31:25,560 --> 01:31:26,320
Speaker 9: Like he's really good?

2051
01:31:26,800 --> 01:31:27,559
Speaker 4: On what they give up?

2052
01:31:27,920 --> 01:31:30,280
Speaker 6: I wouldn't imagine they'd have to give up the farmer.

2053
01:31:30,920 --> 01:31:32,040
Speaker 6: You have the second round pickers.

2054
01:31:32,280 --> 01:31:35,040
Speaker 1: And I disagree with Evan on this point, Like if

2055
01:31:35,080 --> 01:31:37,280
Speaker 1: you bring in a stud on defense, I'm all for it.

2056
01:31:37,400 --> 01:31:39,840
Speaker 6: Like to me, when Mike Lombardi says something, I know,

2057
01:31:40,400 --> 01:31:43,360
Speaker 6: you know, I automatically think it's coming from the Patriots,

2058
01:31:43,439 --> 01:31:46,439
Speaker 6: and he's carrying the water, so I think he's That's

2059
01:31:46,479 --> 01:31:48,600
Speaker 6: why when Mike Lombardi I saw him tweet something. I

2060
01:31:48,680 --> 01:31:50,760
Speaker 6: think it was yesterday Mike said it on one of

2061
01:31:50,800 --> 01:31:53,599
Speaker 6: his betting shows. Maybe it wasn't a tweet, I don't remember,

2062
01:31:53,640 --> 01:31:56,120
Speaker 6: but he mentioned Chase Young. He didn't say anything about

2063
01:31:56,120 --> 01:31:59,000
Speaker 6: the Patriots, just Chase Young. And Chase Young we know

2064
01:31:59,200 --> 01:32:02,040
Speaker 6: has been to be on the block today. They just

2065
01:32:02,120 --> 01:32:06,479
Speaker 6: traded Montes sweat the Commanders. This is the other end

2066
01:32:06,560 --> 01:32:07,400
Speaker 6: on the other side.

2067
01:32:07,439 --> 01:32:08,639
Speaker 1: Always works out for the Patriots.

2068
01:32:08,680 --> 01:32:09,920
Speaker 6: By the way, Oh, I'm not sure that would be

2069
01:32:10,000 --> 01:32:12,160
Speaker 6: working out if I get him. I'm not sure how

2070
01:32:12,240 --> 01:32:15,080
Speaker 6: much I think he's a terrific player. He's gonna be

2071
01:32:15,320 --> 01:32:18,000
Speaker 6: in line for one hundred and something million dollar contract

2072
01:32:18,040 --> 01:32:19,760
Speaker 6: give him there that you ain't gonna get from here.

2073
01:32:20,000 --> 01:32:23,240
Speaker 4: Well, that's a separate issue, though, Like the thing is

2074
01:32:23,400 --> 01:32:27,599
Speaker 4: is that I to your question, would I be mad

2075
01:32:27,640 --> 01:32:29,240
Speaker 4: if they got Chased Young. I would have to see

2076
01:32:29,240 --> 01:32:31,240
Speaker 4: the return, Like if they're giving up a first or

2077
01:32:31,280 --> 01:32:32,920
Speaker 4: a second round pick for Chase Young, then yes, I

2078
01:32:32,960 --> 01:32:33,599
Speaker 4: would be fair.

2079
01:32:33,560 --> 01:32:35,519
Speaker 1: If you're doing it at the expense of the offense.

2080
01:32:35,760 --> 01:32:38,040
Speaker 4: Now, I agree if they're giving up any sort of

2081
01:32:38,080 --> 01:32:40,040
Speaker 4: real draft capital. But if they're giving up a Day

2082
01:32:40,080 --> 01:32:42,960
Speaker 4: three pick for Chase Young and then they plan on

2083
01:32:43,200 --> 01:32:46,720
Speaker 4: keeping Chase Young, But that's a separate conversation because now

2084
01:32:46,760 --> 01:32:48,519
Speaker 4: you're really signing him for twenty twenty.

2085
01:32:48,320 --> 01:32:52,120
Speaker 6: Four, that is fine, but that is affecting your offense

2086
01:32:53,960 --> 01:32:58,120
Speaker 6: because you know, like I'm sorry, it's not unlimited. Yeah,

2087
01:32:58,120 --> 01:32:59,920
Speaker 6: if you've given him one hundred and twenty five million

2088
01:33:00,120 --> 01:33:01,960
Speaker 6: or something, that's cutting into your offense.

2089
01:33:02,920 --> 01:33:05,639
Speaker 4: So who's who's who's making the decisions?

2090
01:33:07,160 --> 01:33:09,200
Speaker 6: Well, I mean it starts at the top. That's a

2091
01:33:09,280 --> 01:33:12,040
Speaker 6: Robert Craft decision. I just if you're going to give

2092
01:33:12,080 --> 01:33:14,880
Speaker 6: that kind of money, there's no way Bill's signing a

2093
01:33:15,000 --> 01:33:16,839
Speaker 6: contract like that without ownership's approval.

2094
01:33:17,360 --> 01:33:20,920
Speaker 4: I get your point. I just I think that my

2095
01:33:21,040 --> 01:33:24,080
Speaker 4: whole thing is is that, and I this is you

2096
01:33:24,120 --> 01:33:27,000
Speaker 4: didn't know I was going here totally different direction because

2097
01:33:27,000 --> 01:33:29,920
Speaker 4: I was watching Monday night football last night. For godly knows,

2098
01:33:30,200 --> 01:33:32,240
Speaker 4: don't ask me why, I just I'm just obsessed.

2099
01:33:33,560 --> 01:33:34,240
Speaker 6: I watched a lot of it.

2100
01:33:34,520 --> 01:33:36,679
Speaker 4: I was watching Monday Night Football last night, and Troy

2101
01:33:36,720 --> 01:33:40,080
Speaker 4: Aikman said that Bill Parcells used to say, we're in

2102
01:33:40,200 --> 01:33:46,200
Speaker 4: a talent acquisition business. Talent acquisition business. Chase Chase you

2103
01:33:46,640 --> 01:33:51,000
Speaker 4: is a talent is a talent acquisition business. And everybody

2104
01:33:51,160 --> 01:33:53,080
Speaker 4: is gonna if they make a trade for Chase Young.

2105
01:33:53,200 --> 01:33:55,559
Speaker 4: I already seeing it on Twitter, like, why would they

2106
01:33:55,600 --> 01:33:58,599
Speaker 4: trade for Chase Young? That would be so stupid. They

2107
01:33:58,680 --> 01:33:59,800
Speaker 4: need good football players.

2108
01:34:00,720 --> 01:34:04,080
Speaker 6: Stupid in my mind, if they just said there's the

2109
01:34:04,120 --> 01:34:05,280
Speaker 6: big there's the big thing.

2110
01:34:06,520 --> 01:34:07,120
Speaker 1: Now we're done.

2111
01:34:07,200 --> 01:34:09,120
Speaker 6: You have to be all in. You have to do

2112
01:34:09,280 --> 01:34:11,240
Speaker 6: things like that. And as Evan says, you have to

2113
01:34:11,320 --> 01:34:13,160
Speaker 6: retain them because it doesn't do you any good to

2114
01:34:13,200 --> 01:34:15,080
Speaker 6: have them play out the string for nine games and

2115
01:34:15,160 --> 01:34:17,040
Speaker 6: then let them go so you can get a third

2116
01:34:17,120 --> 01:34:20,040
Speaker 6: round pick, which is really a fourth round pick as

2117
01:34:20,080 --> 01:34:22,600
Speaker 6: a comp pick. Right, that nonsense that they like to do,

2118
01:34:22,800 --> 01:34:24,800
Speaker 6: Like I would be you can trade them now, I'd

2119
01:34:24,840 --> 01:34:25,640
Speaker 6: be furious, like.

2120
01:34:25,680 --> 01:34:27,840
Speaker 4: If you're telling me, and this is sort of I

2121
01:34:27,960 --> 01:34:30,599
Speaker 4: think where if you want to say that they're still

2122
01:34:30,640 --> 01:34:33,920
Speaker 4: playing chess and everybody else is playing checkers, because we

2123
01:34:34,000 --> 01:34:37,639
Speaker 4: still believe that somehow if they trade anybody else, if

2124
01:34:37,640 --> 01:34:40,519
Speaker 4: they trade Chase Young or they trade four Chase Young.

2125
01:34:40,760 --> 01:34:43,080
Speaker 4: Let's say they give up a third round pick for

2126
01:34:43,200 --> 01:34:46,360
Speaker 4: Chase Young and then they trade Joshu Cha for a

2127
01:34:46,439 --> 01:34:52,200
Speaker 4: fourth round pick. They basically moved down what like around

2128
01:34:52,320 --> 01:34:54,960
Speaker 4: for upgrade from Joshu Jay to Chase Young.

2129
01:34:55,040 --> 01:34:55,240
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2130
01:34:55,240 --> 01:34:58,200
Speaker 6: I'm not worried about the draft pick compensation. I'll take

2131
01:34:58,240 --> 01:34:59,880
Speaker 6: the player. I like Chase Young.

2132
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:00,679
Speaker 1: He's really good.

2133
01:35:00,920 --> 01:35:01,840
Speaker 4: I like the player too.

2134
01:35:01,960 --> 01:35:04,479
Speaker 6: I'd be even willing probably to give I would be

2135
01:35:04,520 --> 01:35:06,400
Speaker 6: willing probably even to give up more than you probably

2136
01:35:06,400 --> 01:35:08,679
Speaker 6: a second round pick. I wouldn't be I'd be worried

2137
01:35:08,680 --> 01:35:11,800
Speaker 6: about retaining him. And if they do retain him, does

2138
01:35:11,840 --> 01:35:14,479
Speaker 6: that affect what else you can do? Because adding a

2139
01:35:14,560 --> 01:35:17,800
Speaker 6: great defensive end isn't the difference between two and six

2140
01:35:17,880 --> 01:35:20,759
Speaker 6: and the playoff team. Yeah, I agree with this offense.

2141
01:35:21,040 --> 01:35:24,559
Speaker 4: I also just think that, you know, with a guy

2142
01:35:24,680 --> 01:35:30,160
Speaker 4: like Chase Young, you the Patriot way would be to

2143
01:35:30,280 --> 01:35:33,240
Speaker 4: get him in free agency next offseason because he doesn't

2144
01:35:33,280 --> 01:35:35,439
Speaker 4: have a great year this year and he ends up

2145
01:35:35,479 --> 01:35:38,439
Speaker 4: being cheaper and it's like Chris It's like a Chris

2146
01:35:38,560 --> 01:35:41,280
Speaker 4: Long thing, right, Whereas this former number one overall pick

2147
01:35:41,360 --> 01:35:43,639
Speaker 4: that we're going to get at a discount, but you're

2148
01:35:43,800 --> 01:35:46,000
Speaker 4: this move. It's like trading for him today would be

2149
01:35:46,040 --> 01:35:48,640
Speaker 4: trading for him when the market is hot and then

2150
01:35:48,720 --> 01:35:51,200
Speaker 4: paying him at market rate at.

2151
01:35:51,200 --> 01:35:53,320
Speaker 6: Market un And I'm okay with that as long as

2152
01:35:53,400 --> 01:35:56,840
Speaker 6: that's not like we're done now, right, Okay, go get

2153
01:35:56,880 --> 01:36:00,880
Speaker 6: him Bill. No, they need they need to tackle they receivers.

2154
01:36:01,439 --> 01:36:03,120
Speaker 3: I do feel like they should be aggressive in some

2155
01:36:03,320 --> 01:36:05,920
Speaker 3: areas today where like if they could get something they

2156
01:36:06,000 --> 01:36:09,559
Speaker 3: really need today, I'd rather get him today versus waiting

2157
01:36:09,680 --> 01:36:13,000
Speaker 3: until the off season when everyone might be trying to

2158
01:36:13,040 --> 01:36:15,400
Speaker 3: go after them. So I feel like, be aggressive and

2159
01:36:15,479 --> 01:36:16,840
Speaker 3: go out and get what you want and don't like

2160
01:36:16,880 --> 01:36:18,320
Speaker 3: sit back and think it's gonna fall in your lap

2161
01:36:18,360 --> 01:36:18,800
Speaker 3: because it's not.

2162
01:36:18,920 --> 01:36:20,320
Speaker 5: No, it's not a bad I mean it's not really

2163
01:36:20,360 --> 01:36:21,880
Speaker 5: not a bad approach to team building.

2164
01:36:21,920 --> 01:36:24,000
Speaker 8: But I just I worry that if you trade for

2165
01:36:24,080 --> 01:36:26,880
Speaker 8: these guys, like what what is Montes sweat gonna get

2166
01:36:26,920 --> 01:36:29,040
Speaker 8: out of Chicago? Like, I mean, he's got them over

2167
01:36:29,080 --> 01:36:31,679
Speaker 8: the barrel now, right, Like whatever he wants, they pretty

2168
01:36:31,760 --> 01:36:32,639
Speaker 8: much have to give him.

2169
01:36:32,880 --> 01:36:34,320
Speaker 5: Otherwise he'll just be like, well, I'll just go to

2170
01:36:34,360 --> 01:36:34,840
Speaker 5: free agency.

2171
01:36:34,880 --> 01:36:37,000
Speaker 4: Then you have to think that all these things are

2172
01:36:37,080 --> 01:36:38,760
Speaker 4: done before the trade has agreed.

2173
01:36:38,439 --> 01:36:40,720
Speaker 6: To well, which is kind of why this Chase Young

2174
01:36:40,800 --> 01:36:42,960
Speaker 6: thing got your ahead, Like, why is Micha Lombardi.

2175
01:36:42,840 --> 01:36:48,879
Speaker 1: Well, According to our emailer, he says, Jeff Howe reported

2176
01:36:48,920 --> 01:36:50,679
Speaker 1: the Patriots have checked on the price.

2177
01:36:51,680 --> 01:36:55,920
Speaker 6: Brought No, I'm actually because Mike Lombardi talked about it,

2178
01:36:56,120 --> 01:36:58,840
Speaker 6: which is why I'm assuming. Wow, Jeff Howe brought it

2179
01:36:58,920 --> 01:37:00,400
Speaker 6: up because he probably held the same thing.

2180
01:37:00,439 --> 01:37:03,080
Speaker 3: I think Vikings traded for Josh Dobbs, so I guess

2181
01:37:03,120 --> 01:37:04,519
Speaker 3: they found their quarterbell.

2182
01:37:04,880 --> 01:37:08,160
Speaker 4: The Patriots were not trading, so that was interesting.

2183
01:37:08,280 --> 01:37:11,160
Speaker 6: With all of a sudden, Jonathan Gannon coming out definitively

2184
01:37:11,200 --> 01:37:12,960
Speaker 6: and saying, Josh Dobbs is gonna be the third guy.

2185
01:37:13,120 --> 01:37:15,800
Speaker 6: You know, Kyler's ready and if he's not going to

2186
01:37:15,840 --> 01:37:19,519
Speaker 6: play this week, it's Clayton tune, which I thought was like,

2187
01:37:19,560 --> 01:37:22,600
Speaker 6: because Dobbs has been I mean, he is what he is.

2188
01:37:23,040 --> 01:37:25,519
Speaker 6: I'm not gonna win any games with him. I thought

2189
01:37:25,560 --> 01:37:26,880
Speaker 6: that was interesting. Timing wise.

2190
01:37:27,080 --> 01:37:29,040
Speaker 5: Something haven't struck me though. Do you really think they

2191
01:37:29,120 --> 01:37:30,200
Speaker 5: got Montesa's sweat deal?

2192
01:37:30,240 --> 01:37:31,960
Speaker 6: Has all worked out with Chicago.

2193
01:37:31,640 --> 01:37:32,920
Speaker 4: For this better right now?

2194
01:37:33,840 --> 01:37:34,200
Speaker 6: The better?

2195
01:37:34,400 --> 01:37:36,519
Speaker 4: I mean, I agree they better but like, I mean,

2196
01:37:36,560 --> 01:37:37,519
Speaker 4: that's an easy.

2197
01:37:37,360 --> 01:37:39,400
Speaker 5: Thing to get done during a trade deadline.

2198
01:37:39,600 --> 01:37:41,400
Speaker 4: I mean, like that's usually how these things go.

2199
01:37:41,600 --> 01:37:43,280
Speaker 6: Though, Like I don't you know what, I don't know

2200
01:37:43,439 --> 01:37:45,920
Speaker 6: enough about Montese Sweat. Where is he from? Is you

2201
01:37:45,960 --> 01:37:48,160
Speaker 6: know is this one of those things like you know

2202
01:37:48,360 --> 01:37:50,000
Speaker 6: you have a chance to have an in with the

2203
01:37:50,040 --> 01:37:52,360
Speaker 6: player see from that era? I have no idea.

2204
01:37:53,280 --> 01:37:57,280
Speaker 1: Uh back to the phones we go, uhhads in Baltimore.

2205
01:38:00,040 --> 01:38:03,600
Speaker 22: Yeah, first, I gotta say first before I get to

2206
01:38:03,680 --> 01:38:06,640
Speaker 22: the foundation thing, I think I think the book is

2207
01:38:06,640 --> 01:38:09,760
Speaker 22: already quoted on Zamy, Like I mean, at least to me,

2208
01:38:10,000 --> 01:38:13,559
Speaker 22: like I seen, I've seen enough, Like if we're gonna

2209
01:38:13,600 --> 01:38:14,960
Speaker 22: go to him, then I mean, we might as well

2210
01:38:15,080 --> 01:38:18,120
Speaker 22: just call Cam back, like we don't need like Zaffy,

2211
01:38:18,439 --> 01:38:18,680
Speaker 22: he is.

2212
01:38:18,760 --> 01:38:21,160
Speaker 1: What he is, And I'm definitely what evan on that, Like,

2213
01:38:23,600 --> 01:38:25,360
Speaker 1: but what about finding out like if it can be

2214
01:38:25,479 --> 01:38:26,599
Speaker 1: the backup of the future.

2215
01:38:26,720 --> 01:38:28,120
Speaker 6: Ye, I just don't know why he's on the roster.

2216
01:38:28,640 --> 01:38:30,519
Speaker 4: I don't know why he's on the roster either, all

2217
01:38:30,600 --> 01:38:33,760
Speaker 4: right anyway, And I.

2218
01:38:33,760 --> 01:38:36,439
Speaker 22: Gotta say for the foundation thing, that's something that I've

2219
01:38:36,520 --> 01:38:38,800
Speaker 22: always been on because I'm like, we don't have no star,

2220
01:38:39,680 --> 01:38:43,040
Speaker 22: but you know, Gonezo. I feel like gonezels up and coming.

2221
01:38:43,160 --> 01:38:46,479
Speaker 22: But I mean that's it. Like you you try to

2222
01:38:46,520 --> 01:38:49,920
Speaker 22: think of like the second person, I mean Remandre or Duggar,

2223
01:38:50,040 --> 01:38:55,120
Speaker 22: but like I can't. I can't think of nobody that like, yeah, okay,

2224
01:38:55,200 --> 01:38:57,240
Speaker 22: let's sign him and we can build around.

2225
01:38:57,439 --> 01:38:59,920
Speaker 6: Like I'd like to see some of those guys.

2226
01:39:00,040 --> 01:39:01,640
Speaker 4: I agree with you, it takes money to make it

2227
01:39:01,840 --> 01:39:02,280
Speaker 4: feel like we.

2228
01:39:02,360 --> 01:39:06,280
Speaker 22: Had literally that one foundation and everybody else is just

2229
01:39:06,439 --> 01:39:07,240
Speaker 22: their failure.

2230
01:39:08,360 --> 01:39:10,720
Speaker 4: So this is like I was making fun of the

2231
01:39:11,640 --> 01:39:15,200
Speaker 4: the Dolphins intros. Thanks for shut on Sunday and uh,

2232
01:39:16,160 --> 01:39:19,000
Speaker 4: you are a very own Neil Perry was like, what

2233
01:39:19,240 --> 01:39:21,600
Speaker 4: this is actually cool? I heard him say that, and

2234
01:39:21,680 --> 01:39:24,120
Speaker 4: I was I was like, it's only great for like

2235
01:39:24,360 --> 01:39:28,720
Speaker 4: you because you posted on social Neil. Anyways, but the

2236
01:39:29,400 --> 01:39:32,439
Speaker 4: after I got you know, roused with Neil a little bit,

2237
01:39:32,600 --> 01:39:35,320
Speaker 4: I I was like, wait a second. So they just

2238
01:39:35,720 --> 01:39:40,559
Speaker 4: they introduced, you know to then Tyree Kill, then Jalen Waddle,

2239
01:39:40,800 --> 01:39:44,240
Speaker 4: then Christian Wilkins, then Bradley Chubb that like all in Like,

2240
01:39:44,360 --> 01:39:46,840
Speaker 4: I don't think all those, you know, Jalen Ramsey, who

2241
01:39:46,880 --> 01:39:48,840
Speaker 4: probably got the biggest applause because you know, his first

2242
01:39:48,880 --> 01:39:51,080
Speaker 4: came back. And I don't think all those players are

2243
01:39:51,160 --> 01:39:55,320
Speaker 4: necessarily like that that great, but we all know all

2244
01:39:55,400 --> 01:39:57,720
Speaker 4: those players, like if the Patriots were to do the

2245
01:39:57,800 --> 01:40:07,720
Speaker 4: same thing here and they were like Brandon's schooler, who

2246
01:40:07,760 --> 01:40:13,800
Speaker 4: are we running to buy? But they're all stars, Like

2247
01:40:13,920 --> 01:40:17,280
Speaker 4: they're all recognizable stars. And I remember last year we

2248
01:40:17,360 --> 01:40:21,640
Speaker 4: were in Minnesota, fred and when they announced justin Jefferson

2249
01:40:22,200 --> 01:40:25,439
Speaker 4: in that stadium, I don't know if I've ever heard

2250
01:40:25,800 --> 01:40:27,920
Speaker 4: a place as loud as that. That was just for

2251
01:40:28,040 --> 01:40:31,559
Speaker 4: his introduction into the game, Like it wasn't he didn't

2252
01:40:31,560 --> 01:40:33,960
Speaker 4: even do anything yet, and it was coming off that

2253
01:40:34,000 --> 01:40:38,120
Speaker 4: Buffalo game and the and it was like the roof

2254
01:40:38,200 --> 01:40:39,360
Speaker 4: almost blew off the place.

2255
01:40:39,840 --> 01:40:43,080
Speaker 1: And you know, you're making the case for individual introductions

2256
01:40:43,200 --> 01:40:44,040
Speaker 1: if you have stars.

2257
01:40:44,080 --> 01:40:47,240
Speaker 4: I'm making the I'm making the case for like those

2258
01:40:47,320 --> 01:40:51,320
Speaker 4: individual introductions work because they have star players that people

2259
01:40:51,400 --> 01:40:52,240
Speaker 4: get excited about.

2260
01:40:52,360 --> 01:40:53,240
Speaker 5: How we announced as a.

2261
01:40:53,280 --> 01:40:57,120
Speaker 1: Team, right, Patriots and chosen a team.

2262
01:40:57,360 --> 01:40:58,760
Speaker 4: That's what I said, Neil.

2263
01:40:58,960 --> 01:40:59,280
Speaker 20: I was like.

2264
01:41:02,800 --> 01:41:03,559
Speaker 6: Santa Claus, I.

2265
01:41:04,120 --> 01:41:04,920
Speaker 1: Still believe in that.

2266
01:41:05,080 --> 01:41:05,320
Speaker 3: You do.

2267
01:41:06,840 --> 01:41:10,719
Speaker 1: No individual I get it. Jeff's the new Bedford.

2268
01:41:12,400 --> 01:41:15,160
Speaker 6: Okay, Hey, how you doing, guys, Jeff Interest.

2269
01:41:16,080 --> 01:41:18,479
Speaker 12: Hello, Yes, Jeff, Hey, Yeah, how you doing.

2270
01:41:18,560 --> 01:41:22,760
Speaker 20: Guys? You know, I'm sorry, you know, I don't care

2271
01:41:22,880 --> 01:41:25,080
Speaker 20: if I'm the last guy on mac Island and you

2272
01:41:25,120 --> 01:41:26,840
Speaker 20: can make fun of me when I hang up the phone,

2273
01:41:26,960 --> 01:41:29,280
Speaker 20: I don't care because I'm gonna be on mac Island.

2274
01:41:29,320 --> 01:41:31,320
Speaker 20: And even if he does get traded, I kind of

2275
01:41:31,360 --> 01:41:33,559
Speaker 20: hope he gets traded because a lot of people are

2276
01:41:33,560 --> 01:41:35,080
Speaker 20: on here are gonna have a big piece of humble

2277
01:41:35,120 --> 01:41:37,680
Speaker 20: pie coming their way. And I'll give you some examples.

2278
01:41:38,200 --> 01:41:40,680
Speaker 20: Do you know who he drafted since mac Jones has

2279
01:41:40,800 --> 01:41:44,240
Speaker 20: been a been and patriot on the ufensive side, Trey Nixon,

2280
01:41:44,680 --> 01:41:49,320
Speaker 20: the Maario Douglas, Kayshawn Booty and Taekwan Thornton. Okay, that's

2281
01:41:49,360 --> 01:41:55,200
Speaker 20: the weapons is put for mac Jones. And and in

2282
01:41:55,240 --> 01:41:57,360
Speaker 20: the fact that you know he was talking about to Tula,

2283
01:41:57,560 --> 01:41:59,920
Speaker 20: I'm sorry you had a couple of you know, big throws.

2284
01:42:00,200 --> 01:42:02,000
Speaker 20: But he's gonna all start team out there. It's like

2285
01:42:02,040 --> 01:42:04,080
Speaker 20: the Harlem group. John is in a Washington General.

2286
01:42:04,280 --> 01:42:05,560
Speaker 6: He beat you with Parker.

2287
01:42:05,360 --> 01:42:08,120
Speaker 20: Anticipating throws all that because he knows Tyreek Hill is

2288
01:42:08,120 --> 01:42:10,080
Speaker 20: gonna be there. He knows he's gonna make the play.

2289
01:42:10,120 --> 01:42:12,639
Speaker 20: He's got play makers. He had a he had a pick,

2290
01:42:12,920 --> 01:42:14,880
Speaker 20: he had another ball that should have been picked. He

2291
01:42:15,000 --> 01:42:16,639
Speaker 20: fumbled nothing max playing.

2292
01:42:16,760 --> 01:42:19,400
Speaker 9: He didn't filled around your quarterback.

2293
01:42:19,400 --> 01:42:20,479
Speaker 20: He's a pocket passer.

2294
01:42:22,800 --> 01:42:22,920
Speaker 9: Yea.

2295
01:42:24,160 --> 01:42:25,599
Speaker 6: All the stuff about Mac.

2296
01:42:25,840 --> 01:42:29,280
Speaker 20: Is just proves my point, pol weapons run he can produce.

2297
01:42:29,560 --> 01:42:30,599
Speaker 20: Look at his rookie year.

2298
01:42:31,120 --> 01:42:33,559
Speaker 6: He didn't produce. Look at it. Go back and look

2299
01:42:33,640 --> 01:42:35,160
Speaker 6: at it and tell me that. Show me the production.

2300
01:42:36,040 --> 01:42:38,799
Speaker 4: I don't disagree with Paul. I don't. I don't disagree

2301
01:42:38,800 --> 01:42:39,519
Speaker 4: with this point.

2302
01:42:40,000 --> 01:42:41,960
Speaker 20: Your weak arguments about production.

2303
01:42:42,240 --> 01:42:44,080
Speaker 6: No, no one can even talk except for you.

2304
01:42:44,360 --> 01:42:47,960
Speaker 20: With our injuries. See, okay, tell me a quarterback that's

2305
01:42:48,040 --> 01:42:51,360
Speaker 20: kind of Bill Belichick takes away to Kobe Maya's replaces

2306
01:42:51,400 --> 01:42:54,559
Speaker 20: him with a broken down player. Where where is Mac Jones'

2307
01:42:54,640 --> 01:42:57,080
Speaker 20: throw down back that Tom Brady had? Where is he?

2308
01:42:57,600 --> 01:42:59,320
Speaker 6: Who's Patrick Mahons' throat down back?

2309
01:42:59,400 --> 01:43:00,680
Speaker 4: Jerick mckinn and he's pretty good?

2310
01:43:01,200 --> 01:43:01,639
Speaker 1: Oh really?

2311
01:43:01,960 --> 01:43:03,800
Speaker 6: What's he got twelve catches.

2312
01:43:03,560 --> 01:43:05,200
Speaker 4: And traded in the playoffs?

2313
01:43:05,240 --> 01:43:10,000
Speaker 6: Who's Who's Joe Burrow's third down back? Who's John Who's

2314
01:43:10,080 --> 01:43:11,360
Speaker 6: Josh Allen's third down back?

2315
01:43:12,040 --> 01:43:14,479
Speaker 20: Every time you like the ball is going to be

2316
01:43:16,040 --> 01:43:17,080
Speaker 20: he's going to the ball.

2317
01:43:17,240 --> 01:43:23,000
Speaker 6: And that's the problem. That's the problem Cincinnati. Cincinnati knows

2318
01:43:23,040 --> 01:43:24,560
Speaker 6: that those things are all going to happen, but it

2319
01:43:24,560 --> 01:43:25,679
Speaker 6: doesn't bother Joe Burrow.

2320
01:43:25,760 --> 01:43:31,880
Speaker 1: That's the difference. Well, Jeff, yeah, Jeff, No, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff,

2321
01:43:31,960 --> 01:43:35,759
Speaker 1: Jeff's hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, Jeff, Jeff.

2322
01:43:35,600 --> 01:43:40,280
Speaker 6: Jeff, Jeff. Listen. You talk, you talk, then Fred talks.

2323
01:43:40,560 --> 01:43:42,720
Speaker 6: You talk and Fred talks. You can't just talk all

2324
01:43:42,800 --> 01:43:45,280
Speaker 6: the time. No one can hear anything. Yes, just you,

2325
01:43:47,640 --> 01:43:50,160
Speaker 6: I want to call, I want to call. I think

2326
01:43:50,200 --> 01:43:51,240
Speaker 6: that was Mike Francessa.

2327
01:43:51,320 --> 01:43:52,320
Speaker 4: I know it's amazing.

2328
01:43:52,560 --> 01:43:54,679
Speaker 6: I don't think he's wrong. I think there's an argument

2329
01:43:54,720 --> 01:43:57,240
Speaker 6: to that that that mac Jones doesn't have enough. I

2330
01:43:57,320 --> 01:43:59,080
Speaker 6: agree with you, but he won't even let you get

2331
01:43:59,080 --> 01:43:59,880
Speaker 6: a word in edge why.

2332
01:44:00,040 --> 01:44:03,400
Speaker 1: I wanted to agree with his point about the weapons,

2333
01:44:03,400 --> 01:44:06,320
Speaker 1: there's no doubt, But I also wanted to ask him,

2334
01:44:06,600 --> 01:44:09,960
Speaker 1: where is the indicator, you know, the example of him

2335
01:44:10,040 --> 01:44:11,800
Speaker 1: overcoming that, you know, doing things.

2336
01:44:11,880 --> 01:44:14,800
Speaker 6: Where's the indicator he's overcome anything. Okay, but but if

2337
01:44:14,840 --> 01:44:16,599
Speaker 6: it rains, it seems to put him in a bad.

2338
01:44:16,479 --> 01:44:19,280
Speaker 4: Tea Just to okay, just I wish he had just

2339
01:44:19,280 --> 01:44:21,960
Speaker 4: stayed on the offense a little bit here, and this

2340
01:44:22,160 --> 01:44:24,920
Speaker 4: is this is I actually agree with like ninety percent

2341
01:44:25,000 --> 01:44:25,559
Speaker 4: of what he said.

2342
01:44:26,400 --> 01:44:28,439
Speaker 6: I do ninety strong, but I agree with a lot

2343
01:44:28,479 --> 01:44:30,120
Speaker 6: of what I said. They don't have great weapons.

2344
01:44:30,680 --> 01:44:31,519
Speaker 1: You can't argue with that.

2345
01:44:32,680 --> 01:44:32,800
Speaker 3: Right.

2346
01:44:33,479 --> 01:44:37,639
Speaker 4: In terms of building around the quarterback, they have hit

2347
01:44:38,080 --> 01:44:42,000
Speaker 4: the lottery of how to f up a young quarterback.

2348
01:44:42,280 --> 01:44:45,559
Speaker 4: They've surrounded him with next to nothing. They've changed coaches

2349
01:44:45,600 --> 01:44:48,200
Speaker 4: on him three times. They made his defense a defensive

2350
01:44:48,200 --> 01:44:51,320
Speaker 4: coordinator an offensive coordinator. If this was I'm sorry, like

2351
01:44:51,400 --> 01:44:53,439
Speaker 4: I agree with him in this point. If this was

2352
01:44:53,560 --> 01:44:56,280
Speaker 4: like the Jaguars of the Jets, we'd be laughing in

2353
01:44:56,360 --> 01:44:59,400
Speaker 4: their faces. I agree, we would be like, will you morons?

2354
01:45:00,160 --> 01:45:01,800
Speaker 5: You drafted this guy in the first round.

2355
01:45:01,920 --> 01:45:03,200
Speaker 6: Unfortunately, he wouldn't let anybody.

2356
01:45:03,560 --> 01:45:06,240
Speaker 4: And so all of that is true and valid. My

2357
01:45:06,439 --> 01:45:10,920
Speaker 4: whole thing now with Mac is I believe and I'm

2358
01:45:11,720 --> 01:45:14,080
Speaker 4: subject to change in the last nine games of the season.

2359
01:45:14,560 --> 01:45:18,639
Speaker 4: I believe it's too far gone. I think that he's

2360
01:45:18,760 --> 01:45:21,240
Speaker 4: broken in terms of his play on the field, and

2361
01:45:21,400 --> 01:45:25,080
Speaker 4: I actually think, maybe more importantly, the relationship between him

2362
01:45:25,200 --> 01:45:30,320
Speaker 4: and the organization is teetering. Is teetering because I think that,

2363
01:45:30,520 --> 01:45:33,920
Speaker 4: like Jeff and new Bedford, that's what Mac Jones thinks.

2364
01:45:35,040 --> 01:45:37,920
Speaker 4: I think Mac Jones looks at this, and he looks

2365
01:45:38,080 --> 01:45:40,720
Speaker 4: he goes, you know, at after the game when they

2366
01:45:41,320 --> 01:45:43,160
Speaker 4: go on the field and everybody shakes hands, and he

2367
01:45:43,200 --> 01:45:45,479
Speaker 4: goes up to two and says, hey, you know how

2368
01:45:45,560 --> 01:45:48,320
Speaker 4: you doing? Played a great game. He's saying, I was

2369
01:45:48,439 --> 01:45:51,080
Speaker 4: in the same quarterback room as that guy at Alabama.

2370
01:45:51,880 --> 01:45:54,920
Speaker 4: I was in the same quarterback room as Jalen Hurts

2371
01:45:55,040 --> 01:45:59,000
Speaker 4: after week one, and I am throwing to these guys

2372
01:45:59,280 --> 01:46:01,719
Speaker 4: and he's throwing into the best receiver in the world.

2373
01:46:02,800 --> 01:46:05,439
Speaker 4: And I have to think that that's the mentality that

2374
01:46:05,800 --> 01:46:07,439
Speaker 4: Mac is also taking to.

2375
01:46:07,479 --> 01:46:07,800
Speaker 6: All of this.

2376
01:46:07,960 --> 01:46:09,760
Speaker 1: Sure, and I think Jeff's point is he hopes he

2377
01:46:09,840 --> 01:46:13,679
Speaker 1: gets traded and listen, I hope Mac has a great career,

2378
01:46:14,360 --> 01:46:16,719
Speaker 1: you know, but I don't like to have it's point.

2379
01:46:16,880 --> 01:46:19,799
Speaker 1: I don't think it can be here because of what's happened.

2380
01:46:19,880 --> 01:46:21,439
Speaker 3: I said that at the beginning of the show. I

2381
01:46:21,560 --> 01:46:23,600
Speaker 3: do think that he needs to go somewhere else. I

2382
01:46:23,680 --> 01:46:25,680
Speaker 3: feel like he'll he needs a fresh start, just like

2383
01:46:25,800 --> 01:46:29,320
Speaker 3: Trey Lance for different reasons, obviously, but per the note

2384
01:46:29,400 --> 01:46:32,439
Speaker 3: that his camp allegedly put out or whoever put out you.

2385
01:46:32,680 --> 01:46:35,479
Speaker 3: A chef can't make a garbage. A chef can't make

2386
01:46:35,520 --> 01:46:37,880
Speaker 3: garbage taste good, right, And I think that that's true.

2387
01:46:38,280 --> 01:46:41,519
Speaker 3: But I also don't know if this chef will ever

2388
01:46:41,600 --> 01:46:45,679
Speaker 3: have the opportunity to make his food taste good because

2389
01:46:45,800 --> 01:46:48,920
Speaker 3: of the lack of trust from the utdown. I think

2390
01:46:49,000 --> 01:46:51,400
Speaker 3: even if he is given all the ingredients to make

2391
01:46:51,439 --> 01:46:53,800
Speaker 3: some superb five star meal, I don't know if he's

2392
01:46:53,800 --> 01:46:55,479
Speaker 3: ever going to be able to do it. There's a

2393
01:46:55,600 --> 01:46:56,120
Speaker 3: lack of trust.

2394
01:46:56,479 --> 01:46:58,640
Speaker 6: I mean, I don't think it has anything to do

2395
01:46:58,720 --> 01:47:01,000
Speaker 6: with any of that stuff. I agree with all the

2396
01:47:01,040 --> 01:47:04,160
Speaker 6: stuff that Jeff said about the weapons. I don't think

2397
01:47:04,200 --> 01:47:09,120
Speaker 6: they have great weapons. I think he does not have

2398
01:47:09,240 --> 01:47:13,519
Speaker 6: the mentality to lead. I think he has. It's not trust,

2399
01:47:13,840 --> 01:47:17,519
Speaker 6: it's not I don't think that people follow him. I

2400
01:47:17,640 --> 01:47:20,560
Speaker 6: think he's kind of a baby, and I think he

2401
01:47:21,040 --> 01:47:23,760
Speaker 6: like loses it. And I think that he does not

2402
01:47:23,840 --> 01:47:29,000
Speaker 6: elicit confidence from his teammates. I think a lot of

2403
01:47:29,040 --> 01:47:33,320
Speaker 6: this stuff he'd be finding different ways to fail if

2404
01:47:33,400 --> 01:47:35,639
Speaker 6: he had the weapons. In the other things, I think

2405
01:47:37,240 --> 01:47:39,000
Speaker 6: there's a lot of there's a lot of quarterbacks in

2406
01:47:39,040 --> 01:47:40,880
Speaker 6: the league that don't have a lot around them. Now,

2407
01:47:40,960 --> 01:47:43,040
Speaker 6: you can make an argument that Evan just did and

2408
01:47:43,160 --> 01:47:45,800
Speaker 6: say this is really the f up of how to

2409
01:47:46,040 --> 01:47:48,679
Speaker 6: not handle a young quarterback. And I would, I would,

2410
01:47:48,680 --> 01:47:50,640
Speaker 6: I would probably agree with that they've made a lot

2411
01:47:50,720 --> 01:47:54,639
Speaker 6: of mistakes. I just don't see it that if everything

2412
01:47:54,680 --> 01:47:56,840
Speaker 6: else was great, he'd be able to be great. I

2413
01:47:56,960 --> 01:47:59,320
Speaker 6: just I don't see greatness in this guy. I don't.

2414
01:47:59,800 --> 01:48:01,599
Speaker 6: That's the only thing I disagree with Jeff. Want all

2415
01:48:01,640 --> 01:48:04,040
Speaker 6: the stuff that Jeff said in defense of mac Jones,

2416
01:48:04,320 --> 01:48:06,840
Speaker 6: you could absolutely make an argument for he just never

2417
01:48:06,920 --> 01:48:08,920
Speaker 6: let anybody make the argument with him. He just wanted

2418
01:48:08,920 --> 01:48:09,960
Speaker 6: to yell at me. I just did.

2419
01:48:10,040 --> 01:48:12,320
Speaker 4: But I agree with you wholeheartedly that I don't necessarily

2420
01:48:12,479 --> 01:48:14,560
Speaker 4: know that that would have made it any better or

2421
01:48:14,640 --> 01:48:17,559
Speaker 4: fixed him or whatever that may be. But my point

2422
01:48:17,680 --> 01:48:19,960
Speaker 4: is more about the process and the results, and the

2423
01:48:20,040 --> 01:48:23,800
Speaker 4: process stunk, and now you've ruined the kid, and whether

2424
01:48:23,880 --> 01:48:27,439
Speaker 4: it's the next guy or whatever, like, you need to

2425
01:48:27,520 --> 01:48:29,000
Speaker 4: learn from your mistakes.

2426
01:48:28,600 --> 01:48:30,479
Speaker 6: And not do this to the next If Mac Jones

2427
01:48:30,600 --> 01:48:33,519
Speaker 6: was Miami's quarterback on Sunday and the game started the

2428
01:48:33,600 --> 01:48:35,719
Speaker 6: exact same way and he threw the ball to Kyle Duggar.

2429
01:48:36,120 --> 01:48:38,120
Speaker 6: I do not think he response by throwing for three

2430
01:48:38,160 --> 01:48:40,760
Speaker 6: hundred yards and three touchdowns. No, I do not think

2431
01:48:40,840 --> 01:48:43,120
Speaker 6: that happens with all the same weapons.

2432
01:48:43,320 --> 01:48:43,680
Speaker 4: Maybe not.

2433
01:48:43,800 --> 01:48:48,240
Speaker 6: I think there's just like this mentality and a leadership

2434
01:48:48,360 --> 01:48:50,240
Speaker 6: quality and a belief that Tua has that I don't

2435
01:48:50,240 --> 01:48:52,920
Speaker 6: think Mac has. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe if he had

2436
01:48:52,920 --> 01:48:55,519
Speaker 6: all that stuff around him, it would be Alabama Mac.

2437
01:48:56,360 --> 01:48:56,640
Speaker 6: I don't know.

2438
01:48:56,880 --> 01:48:58,920
Speaker 3: I've literally said that too. It's like he doesn't have

2439
01:48:59,080 --> 01:49:02,280
Speaker 3: like how they called Joeber Joe Burr, that swagger, that confidence,

2440
01:49:02,360 --> 01:49:04,920
Speaker 3: that fire, that ice in his veins. He does not

2441
01:49:05,000 --> 01:49:06,880
Speaker 3: have any of that. I have never seen any of that.

2442
01:49:07,000 --> 01:49:08,280
Speaker 3: The only time I did see it was when he

2443
01:49:08,320 --> 01:49:10,320
Speaker 3: played at Alabama and he had all those stars and

2444
01:49:10,439 --> 01:49:12,360
Speaker 3: everything was perfect, nothing went wrong.

2445
01:49:12,439 --> 01:49:12,639
Speaker 1: Ever.

2446
01:49:12,960 --> 01:49:14,400
Speaker 3: But now you're in the NFL, you're in the big

2447
01:49:14,439 --> 01:49:17,080
Speaker 3: boy league. There's gonna be adversity every single day. Even

2448
01:49:17,080 --> 01:49:19,320
Speaker 3: if you have all the talent, things are gonna happen.

2449
01:49:19,360 --> 01:49:22,400
Speaker 4: But you have to be This is I think. Obviously,

2450
01:49:22,520 --> 01:49:24,680
Speaker 4: I know we're not getting into the draft yet, all right,

2451
01:49:24,760 --> 01:49:28,080
Speaker 4: I'm not doing it. But with the next quarterback, whoever

2452
01:49:28,200 --> 01:49:31,280
Speaker 4: it is, that they draft. This is gonna be an

2453
01:49:31,320 --> 01:49:34,000
Speaker 4: intangible thing that like, we probably won't be able to

2454
01:49:34,080 --> 01:49:37,120
Speaker 4: speak to about these guys. And I think a lot

2455
01:49:37,200 --> 01:49:39,599
Speaker 4: of these guys come out and don't hit a lot

2456
01:49:39,640 --> 01:49:43,719
Speaker 4: of adversity in college because they're on stack teams. And really,

2457
01:49:43,840 --> 01:49:46,400
Speaker 4: what you have to listen to is how are these

2458
01:49:46,479 --> 01:49:50,600
Speaker 4: guys behind the scenes in practice and stuff like that,

2459
01:49:50,760 --> 01:49:53,360
Speaker 4: because I bet you for a guy like Mac, the

2460
01:49:53,479 --> 01:49:56,439
Speaker 4: Alabama defense was probably the best defense he ever faced.

2461
01:49:56,640 --> 01:49:58,439
Speaker 6: And what did Nick Sabin used to say about mac

2462
01:49:58,439 --> 01:49:58,960
Speaker 6: att practice?

2463
01:49:59,040 --> 01:49:59,160
Speaker 9: Right?

2464
01:49:59,200 --> 01:50:02,160
Speaker 4: They called him mac and row and they talked about

2465
01:50:02,200 --> 01:50:04,320
Speaker 4: the tirades that he would throw when you had would

2466
01:50:04,360 --> 01:50:07,400
Speaker 4: screw up in practice, that type of stuff probably should

2467
01:50:07,400 --> 01:50:08,519
Speaker 4: have been a bigger red flag.

2468
01:50:08,720 --> 01:50:11,840
Speaker 1: Well, and yeah, from the get go, like you know,

2469
01:50:11,920 --> 01:50:13,400
Speaker 1: one of the things Jeff said is look at the

2470
01:50:13,439 --> 01:50:16,120
Speaker 1: production in year one. I'm sorry, but.

2471
01:50:16,520 --> 01:50:17,360
Speaker 6: That's not good enough.

2472
01:50:17,439 --> 01:50:20,479
Speaker 1: They also managed the hell out of them. How long

2473
01:50:20,640 --> 01:50:20,720
Speaker 1: was it?

2474
01:50:20,800 --> 01:50:23,240
Speaker 6: Okay? Well, but that production is not good enough.

2475
01:50:23,439 --> 01:50:25,120
Speaker 4: But if that was the that was the floor.

2476
01:50:25,240 --> 01:50:27,120
Speaker 1: But but what I'm saying, what I'm saying is they

2477
01:50:27,160 --> 01:50:29,160
Speaker 1: would not allow him to make a mistake in that

2478
01:50:29,280 --> 01:50:31,519
Speaker 1: first year. And I think that was that was a mistake.

2479
01:50:31,880 --> 01:50:36,080
Speaker 1: You need to let that quarterback make mistakes to understand

2480
01:50:36,160 --> 01:50:38,519
Speaker 1: what his limits are and what then the speed of

2481
01:50:38,560 --> 01:50:40,680
Speaker 1: the game. How long was it until he even threw

2482
01:50:40,760 --> 01:50:42,080
Speaker 1: into the end zone that season?

2483
01:50:42,640 --> 01:50:44,880
Speaker 6: But I get your point. I mean it was ridiculous,

2484
01:50:45,160 --> 01:50:47,639
Speaker 6: But I don't think it's a bad idea to sort

2485
01:50:47,680 --> 01:50:49,920
Speaker 6: of try to limit mistakes for a rookie quarterback coming

2486
01:50:49,960 --> 01:50:52,559
Speaker 6: out of the choot. But my point is people look

2487
01:50:52,600 --> 01:50:54,280
Speaker 6: at the fact that they won ten games, and they

2488
01:50:54,320 --> 01:50:58,439
Speaker 6: think that he won ten games. Yeah, like every just

2489
01:50:58,479 --> 01:51:01,320
Speaker 6: put it perfectly. What he did as a rookie was

2490
01:51:01,400 --> 01:51:04,080
Speaker 6: the floor. We all thought that was the floor. Right now,

2491
01:51:04,120 --> 01:51:05,720
Speaker 6: everybody's saying, look, look what he did when he was

2492
01:51:05,760 --> 01:51:08,719
Speaker 6: a rookie. Look at Yeah, that's that was his ceiling,

2493
01:51:09,479 --> 01:51:11,879
Speaker 6: not his floor. Yeah, and it's not good enough.

2494
01:51:11,840 --> 01:51:14,000
Speaker 4: Right, But if that so that But this is the

2495
01:51:14,080 --> 01:51:17,080
Speaker 4: nature versus nurture argument with him, right, is like, if

2496
01:51:17,160 --> 01:51:20,360
Speaker 4: that was his floor back then, but now it's become

2497
01:51:20,400 --> 01:51:23,439
Speaker 4: his ceiling. But if in year two it wasn't Matt

2498
01:51:23,479 --> 01:51:25,960
Speaker 4: Patricia calling the plays and it was you know, they

2499
01:51:26,280 --> 01:51:28,600
Speaker 4: actually added some talent on the offensive side of the

2500
01:51:28,680 --> 01:51:31,879
Speaker 4: ball and instead of Taekwon Thorton it was George Pickens,

2501
01:51:32,000 --> 01:51:36,000
Speaker 4: or instead of DeVante Parker it was Tyreek Hill, right, Like, then,

2502
01:51:36,439 --> 01:51:39,040
Speaker 4: how would it have continued to develop from there?

2503
01:51:39,400 --> 01:51:42,120
Speaker 1: It is the question it may have been better, right, yeah,

2504
01:51:42,720 --> 01:51:46,720
Speaker 1: but we'll never know that. And now it's like, you know,

2505
01:51:46,880 --> 01:51:48,240
Speaker 1: can it ever be better here?

2506
01:51:48,479 --> 01:51:48,719
Speaker 6: Yeah?

2507
01:51:48,920 --> 01:51:51,320
Speaker 8: Like you know you said, I think we thought Bill

2508
01:51:51,360 --> 01:51:53,880
Speaker 8: O'Brien coming in will restore trust on both ways, and

2509
01:51:53,960 --> 01:51:56,240
Speaker 8: I think, as Evan laid out, I think trust is

2510
01:51:56,280 --> 01:51:58,000
Speaker 8: broken on both sides. I don't think that the team

2511
01:51:58,080 --> 01:51:59,880
Speaker 8: of the coaching staff trust that Mac is the guy,

2512
01:52:00,000 --> 01:52:02,240
Speaker 8: and I don't think Mac trust the coaching staff and

2513
01:52:02,280 --> 01:52:04,240
Speaker 8: the you know, not necessarily a team, but the coaching

2514
01:52:04,280 --> 01:52:05,160
Speaker 8: staff at least.

2515
01:52:05,360 --> 01:52:07,360
Speaker 5: To put him in position to be successful. And I

2516
01:52:07,439 --> 01:52:09,720
Speaker 5: think that might be you know what brings this all

2517
01:52:09,720 --> 01:52:11,479
Speaker 5: to an end sooner than and I did.

2518
01:52:11,560 --> 01:52:13,599
Speaker 6: Do you know I have him just scribbled down. I'm

2519
01:52:13,600 --> 01:52:15,040
Speaker 6: not going to go through all the numbers. The last

2520
01:52:15,080 --> 01:52:19,040
Speaker 6: eight games of twenty twenty one, on average, are very

2521
01:52:19,160 --> 01:52:22,360
Speaker 6: comparable to and when I did this, it was a

2522
01:52:22,439 --> 01:52:24,960
Speaker 6: few games ago to the nineteen games that he had

2523
01:52:25,000 --> 01:52:28,160
Speaker 6: played in twenty two and then to that point in

2524
01:52:28,200 --> 01:52:31,720
Speaker 6: twenty three basically, the average game for the last eight

2525
01:52:31,760 --> 01:52:34,040
Speaker 6: of twenty one was nineteen for thirty for two thirteen,

2526
01:52:34,479 --> 01:52:37,559
Speaker 6: one and a half touchdowns, one pick, and the average

2527
01:52:37,600 --> 01:52:39,760
Speaker 6: since then was twenty two for thirty four for two

2528
01:52:39,760 --> 01:52:43,799
Speaker 6: to twenty one, one touchdown, one pick. Like the numbers

2529
01:52:43,840 --> 01:52:47,840
Speaker 6: are scarily similar. Like once they figured out what he

2530
01:52:48,000 --> 01:52:51,000
Speaker 6: was doing, he has not yet adjusted.

2531
01:52:50,760 --> 01:52:54,000
Speaker 4: Right, but he also hasn't had to me it's not

2532
01:52:54,360 --> 01:52:57,280
Speaker 4: but that was with Josh McDaniels, right, and everything before

2533
01:52:57,320 --> 01:52:59,080
Speaker 4: they wrecked it. Right, But it's not even just about

2534
01:52:59,120 --> 01:53:01,400
Speaker 4: it's also about the the people he's throwing to. And

2535
01:53:01,560 --> 01:53:05,000
Speaker 4: like I again, this is not even about like Mac.

2536
01:53:05,240 --> 01:53:07,720
Speaker 4: It's just if they're gonna start all over at the

2537
01:53:07,800 --> 01:53:10,639
Speaker 4: quarterback position, they have to do better the next time.

2538
01:53:10,720 --> 01:53:13,479
Speaker 4: Otherwise we're just gonna be in this never ending cycle

2539
01:53:13,800 --> 01:53:16,120
Speaker 4: where every four years we're gonna get to a point

2540
01:53:16,120 --> 01:53:18,479
Speaker 4: where the quarterback's ruined and we're gonna be drafting another one.

2541
01:53:18,560 --> 01:53:20,840
Speaker 6: Un unless the quarterback is really good.

2542
01:53:21,640 --> 01:53:24,080
Speaker 1: But even then, even good quarterbacks need help.

2543
01:53:24,280 --> 01:53:26,679
Speaker 6: I know they need help, but good quarterbacks make others

2544
01:53:26,800 --> 01:53:30,519
Speaker 6: the help. Sure, But like a good quarterback makes Chris

2545
01:53:30,640 --> 01:53:33,000
Speaker 6: Hogan a household name.

2546
01:53:33,000 --> 01:53:36,040
Speaker 4: But he also had Rob Gronkowski, and no, I understand that,

2547
01:53:36,200 --> 01:53:38,599
Speaker 4: but like, I just don't think it would look the same.

2548
01:53:38,760 --> 01:53:41,439
Speaker 1: It wouldn't know better. But you know Burrow, I think

2549
01:53:41,520 --> 01:53:45,760
Speaker 1: Burrow doesn't mind having Jamar Chase. And you know, even

2550
01:53:45,840 --> 01:53:47,760
Speaker 1: good quarterbacks need need help.

2551
01:53:47,920 --> 01:53:50,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean Burrow's rookie year. I know he tore

2552
01:53:50,400 --> 01:53:53,839
Speaker 4: his ACL, but like his rookie year to start with, honestly,

2553
01:53:53,960 --> 01:53:56,040
Speaker 4: like tearing his ACL might have been the best thing

2554
01:53:56,120 --> 01:53:58,680
Speaker 4: that ever happened because it put them in position to

2555
01:53:58,800 --> 01:54:02,360
Speaker 4: draft to mar Chase. Like if if he plays, they

2556
01:54:02,400 --> 01:54:04,479
Speaker 4: probably win too many games, and they probably don't, you know,

2557
01:54:04,560 --> 01:54:06,560
Speaker 4: get Jamar Chase. And then all of a sudden he

2558
01:54:06,560 --> 01:54:08,280
Speaker 4: gets Jamar Chase and now in the super Bowl.

2559
01:54:08,960 --> 01:54:11,360
Speaker 6: And I've heard people, you know, people that I respect

2560
01:54:11,479 --> 01:54:15,280
Speaker 6: to say that, like I wouldn't take Marvin Harrison if

2561
01:54:15,320 --> 01:54:16,960
Speaker 6: the Patriots are in the top five and they have

2562
01:54:17,000 --> 01:54:20,840
Speaker 6: an opportunity to get Marvin Harrison, because what good is that,

2563
01:54:21,080 --> 01:54:23,559
Speaker 6: you know, you get a number one with this offensive line.

2564
01:54:25,280 --> 01:54:28,160
Speaker 6: The Bengals did it and now evidently Joe Burrow And

2565
01:54:28,240 --> 01:54:29,920
Speaker 6: I'm not saying that you're saying this, but a lot

2566
01:54:29,960 --> 01:54:32,240
Speaker 6: of people do you have to admit Joe Burrow is

2567
01:54:32,320 --> 01:54:35,080
Speaker 6: just a product of Jamar Chase. No, you know, like

2568
01:54:35,440 --> 01:54:38,840
Speaker 6: he has no offensive line to speak of, and he

2569
01:54:39,040 --> 01:54:42,000
Speaker 6: was really good with Tyler Boyd and then he got

2570
01:54:42,200 --> 01:54:45,280
Speaker 6: Jamar Chase and t Higgins and they went to another level. Right,

2571
01:54:45,920 --> 01:54:48,520
Speaker 6: But like, but they have to Why would you not?

2572
01:54:48,640 --> 01:54:50,520
Speaker 6: Why would you not do that? But if you had

2573
01:54:50,560 --> 01:54:53,320
Speaker 6: a chance to get Marvin Harrison to lift your guy up,

2574
01:54:53,360 --> 01:54:54,760
Speaker 6: why would you like not want to.

2575
01:54:54,720 --> 01:54:56,840
Speaker 4: Because then you'd have to build up the offensive line too.

2576
01:54:57,160 --> 01:54:57,920
Speaker 9: No, so do it.

2577
01:54:58,120 --> 01:55:01,240
Speaker 6: But my argument would be, you wouldn't have to have

2578
01:55:01,440 --> 01:55:03,160
Speaker 6: as good an offensive line if you have a guy

2579
01:55:03,360 --> 01:55:06,040
Speaker 6: that gets open that quickly and has the ability to

2580
01:55:06,080 --> 01:55:09,200
Speaker 6: make big plays. If the quarterback is good, well, again,

2581
01:55:09,400 --> 01:55:11,560
Speaker 6: you got to have something, right, But as I don't

2582
01:55:11,600 --> 01:55:13,400
Speaker 6: need an offensive line and a receiver if I don't have.

2583
01:55:13,400 --> 01:55:15,160
Speaker 1: A quarter as Evan says, you've got to have the

2584
01:55:15,360 --> 01:55:16,000
Speaker 1: two of the three.

2585
01:55:16,200 --> 01:55:19,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, as long as one of them is a quarterback. Well,

2586
01:55:19,680 --> 01:55:21,920
Speaker 6: I mean, there aren't a lot of good teams that

2587
01:55:21,920 --> 01:55:23,720
Speaker 6: would a good offensive line and a good wide receiver

2588
01:55:23,800 --> 01:55:27,320
Speaker 6: and no quarterback. Now we could, we could argue the

2589
01:55:27,360 --> 01:55:31,600
Speaker 6: forty nine ers, I wouldn't I think he's better than

2590
01:55:31,640 --> 01:55:35,160
Speaker 6: giving credit for Yes, Dan, it didn't Again, it didn't

2591
01:55:35,200 --> 01:55:37,040
Speaker 6: look like that when the other guys were playing Dana

2592
01:55:37,120 --> 01:55:40,520
Speaker 6: Virginia much in Miami last year, when Teddy Bridgewater played.

2593
01:55:40,640 --> 01:55:42,560
Speaker 1: Wow, that call was something else. I've got to hand

2594
01:55:42,600 --> 01:55:45,240
Speaker 1: it to Andy Hardy's getting better with the fake voices.

2595
01:55:45,440 --> 01:55:51,280
Speaker 1: That's Roger Yeah still says sorry, but you, Paul, you

2596
01:55:51,360 --> 01:55:54,520
Speaker 1: got verbally assaulted by that one kid. But seriously, what

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01:55:54,640 --> 01:55:57,960
Speaker 1: has Mac Jones done to deserve this unwavering loyalty from

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01:55:58,000 --> 01:56:00,320
Speaker 1: this group of people that support him? In this way,

2599
01:56:00,560 --> 01:56:03,040
Speaker 1: this guy gets unlimited excuses from a segment of the

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01:56:03,120 --> 01:56:05,880
Speaker 1: fan base, and his dad are Lawski it's weird to see.

2601
01:56:06,440 --> 01:56:10,160
Speaker 6: Oh, which, by the way, really came into focus texting Yeah,

2602
01:56:10,160 --> 01:56:12,040
Speaker 6: he probably should have their friends.

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01:56:12,200 --> 01:56:15,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, quick, quick, let's get these people off

2604
01:56:15,280 --> 01:56:17,400
Speaker 1: the line. Jackson's in Florida. What's up, Jackson?

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01:56:18,560 --> 01:56:18,720
Speaker 4: Hey?

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01:56:18,760 --> 01:56:19,080
Speaker 9: What's up?

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01:56:19,120 --> 01:56:19,320
Speaker 8: Guys?

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01:56:19,360 --> 01:56:20,080
Speaker 9: How are you doing good?

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01:56:21,440 --> 01:56:21,600
Speaker 20: Hey?

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01:56:21,720 --> 01:56:23,480
Speaker 23: So I kind of had a couple of points. My

2611
01:56:23,600 --> 01:56:27,640
Speaker 23: first one was about the defense being the foundation of

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01:56:27,920 --> 01:56:31,800
Speaker 23: everything they do. I think the defense can win you games.

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01:56:32,000 --> 01:56:35,200
Speaker 23: The point made was if the offense scores twenty seven

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01:56:35,240 --> 01:56:37,240
Speaker 23: points a game, you win a lot more games, and

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01:56:37,360 --> 01:56:39,800
Speaker 23: I think that carries a lot of weight. I think

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01:56:40,440 --> 01:56:44,040
Speaker 23: with the way that New England designs things, that's pretty

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01:56:44,120 --> 01:56:47,520
Speaker 23: much the case. And the other point I was going

2618
01:56:47,600 --> 01:56:50,600
Speaker 23: to make was with the offense, everybody kind of ripped

2619
01:56:50,600 --> 01:56:51,880
Speaker 23: into how to draft.

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01:56:51,680 --> 01:56:54,920
Speaker 24: The handle all that. But I think the bigger part

2621
01:56:54,960 --> 01:56:58,120
Speaker 24: of it is the way the chips just haven't fell

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01:56:58,240 --> 01:57:01,440
Speaker 24: the way they used to. You know, you've got Randy

2623
01:57:01,520 --> 01:57:03,800
Speaker 24: Moss for well, I think it was a third round

2624
01:57:03,800 --> 01:57:06,920
Speaker 24: pick Timeline. I was a young lad then. But to

2625
01:57:07,000 --> 01:57:09,400
Speaker 24: get Wes Welker, who's nothing. Where they got there and

2626
01:57:09,480 --> 01:57:11,240
Speaker 24: they developed in them, it's just something great.

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01:57:12,280 --> 01:57:13,680
Speaker 23: They haven't really been able.

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01:57:13,520 --> 01:57:14,480
Speaker 24: To hate like that.

2629
01:57:14,760 --> 01:57:17,200
Speaker 6: But that's and that's almost like those were, you know,

2630
01:57:17,440 --> 01:57:19,160
Speaker 6: kind of generational players.

2631
01:57:19,280 --> 01:57:22,080
Speaker 4: But it's also that's my point is like if you

2632
01:57:22,200 --> 01:57:25,400
Speaker 4: don't they have to get out of the thinking that

2633
01:57:25,480 --> 01:57:28,200
Speaker 4: they're just gonna steal Randy Moss from the Raiders and

2634
01:57:28,320 --> 01:57:31,000
Speaker 4: turn them back into Randy Moss from the Vikings and

2635
01:57:31,280 --> 01:57:33,640
Speaker 4: and win a Super Bowl like they have to. That's

2636
01:57:33,960 --> 01:57:36,240
Speaker 4: this is that's not how this business works anymore.

2637
01:57:36,560 --> 01:57:38,760
Speaker 6: Like and they did it with Corey Dillon, right, and

2638
01:57:38,840 --> 01:57:41,160
Speaker 6: there's others. There's there's like four or five Do you

2639
01:57:41,240 --> 01:57:43,640
Speaker 6: know how many dozens of other guys they've tried to

2640
01:57:43,680 --> 01:57:44,800
Speaker 6: do that with and failed?

2641
01:57:45,840 --> 01:57:47,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, like.

2642
01:57:47,360 --> 01:57:53,000
Speaker 6: Jonathan Sullivan, Joey Halloway, Joey Galloway, Albert Hainsworth like this.

2643
01:57:53,440 --> 01:57:56,840
Speaker 6: I literally could give you, Tori, dozens of guys that

2644
01:57:56,920 --> 01:57:59,200
Speaker 6: they tried to do the same kind of things with.

2645
01:57:59,600 --> 01:58:02,080
Speaker 6: It were four or five times.

2646
01:58:03,000 --> 01:58:04,760
Speaker 1: Troy's in Virginia. What's up, Troy?

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01:58:06,320 --> 01:58:06,520
Speaker 9: Hey?

2648
01:58:06,520 --> 01:58:07,320
Speaker 10: It was going on y'all.

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01:58:07,440 --> 01:58:11,600
Speaker 25: Hey, First and foremost, I want to appreciate you all

2650
01:58:11,760 --> 01:58:15,680
Speaker 25: for pretty much putting your hard turn time into this,

2651
01:58:16,200 --> 01:58:19,400
Speaker 25: giving us fans up the date, and making us feel

2652
01:58:19,440 --> 01:58:21,520
Speaker 25: comfortable and balanced about what's going.

2653
01:58:21,360 --> 01:58:23,280
Speaker 6: On our job.

2654
01:58:23,400 --> 01:58:28,320
Speaker 1: Believe me, I would say, well, I.

2655
01:58:28,400 --> 01:58:31,760
Speaker 26: Definitely appreciate you all for putting your effort into doing this.

2656
01:58:33,600 --> 01:58:38,720
Speaker 25: Two Ever since post Brady, we just have been on

2657
01:58:38,840 --> 01:58:39,320
Speaker 25: a cycle.

2658
01:58:39,880 --> 01:58:41,040
Speaker 22: Evan hit it on the nose.

2659
01:58:41,280 --> 01:58:45,880
Speaker 26: We have been on a cycle of pretty much trying

2660
01:58:45,920 --> 01:58:49,040
Speaker 26: to find a foundation, trying to find yours going It's

2661
01:58:49,160 --> 01:58:52,160
Speaker 26: mac Jones were to leave, We're gonna be in another

2662
01:58:52,280 --> 01:58:55,480
Speaker 26: cycle again, and it just seems like we're just gonna

2663
01:58:55,480 --> 01:58:59,560
Speaker 26: be sitting on this, sitting on this uh sitting on

2664
01:58:59,680 --> 01:59:03,920
Speaker 26: this like plane or sitting on this this thing that

2665
01:59:04,240 --> 01:59:07,560
Speaker 26: we're just recycling and trying to figure out what's going

2666
01:59:07,600 --> 01:59:11,400
Speaker 26: on for the next couple of years. It seems like

2667
01:59:11,440 --> 01:59:13,360
Speaker 26: it's going to get worse before it gets better.

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01:59:14,520 --> 01:59:15,360
Speaker 16: I just I don't know.

2669
01:59:15,480 --> 01:59:19,000
Speaker 26: I just found out that uh KD is going to

2670
01:59:19,080 --> 01:59:21,320
Speaker 26: be out, so it's going to be kind of hard

2671
01:59:21,480 --> 01:59:24,720
Speaker 26: to find some type of friction going on with this

2672
01:59:24,880 --> 01:59:28,760
Speaker 26: offense and defense is kind of looking kind of shaky

2673
01:59:28,920 --> 01:59:29,720
Speaker 26: a little bit to me.

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01:59:31,160 --> 01:59:33,560
Speaker 1: That's it, Thank you all, Okay, thanks Troy.

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01:59:34,680 --> 01:59:37,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's that's the mic to show cycle.

2676
01:59:37,520 --> 01:59:38,200
Speaker 1: That's the cycle.

2677
01:59:38,680 --> 01:59:39,400
Speaker 4: We're in the cycle.

2678
01:59:40,640 --> 01:59:42,880
Speaker 6: But that would be my my my pushback for that

2679
01:59:43,080 --> 01:59:45,960
Speaker 6: is like he prefaced his call by saying, we're in

2680
01:59:46,040 --> 01:59:48,480
Speaker 6: a cycle, and and if we just get rid of

2681
01:59:48,520 --> 01:59:50,720
Speaker 6: the quarter, well, if we're in the cycle already, what's

2682
01:59:50,760 --> 01:59:51,160
Speaker 6: the difference.

2683
01:59:52,440 --> 01:59:58,240
Speaker 4: We're in it until organizationally they decide for philosophically that

2684
01:59:58,360 --> 02:00:01,800
Speaker 4: they're going to get into the business outscoring other teams.

2685
02:00:03,360 --> 02:00:06,760
Speaker 6: And that's our defense argument for like a half hour ago,

2686
02:00:06,920 --> 02:00:10,320
Speaker 6: that's a better way, like to me, I think like

2687
02:00:10,480 --> 02:00:12,400
Speaker 6: Kansas City to me, and I know their defense is

2688
02:00:12,480 --> 02:00:15,040
Speaker 6: considered to be better this year. They don't win because

2689
02:00:15,040 --> 02:00:17,400
Speaker 6: they play good defense. They win because the other teams scored.

2690
02:00:17,560 --> 02:00:19,000
Speaker 6: They scored more than the other And I think, I

2691
02:00:19,080 --> 02:00:20,920
Speaker 6: think I found a way they have a defense that

2692
02:00:21,040 --> 02:00:21,840
Speaker 6: can win the super Bow.

2693
02:00:21,880 --> 02:00:24,120
Speaker 1: I think I found a way to pitch, you know,

2694
02:00:24,240 --> 02:00:28,240
Speaker 1: to phrase this. The Patriots do have a good enough defense.

2695
02:00:28,400 --> 02:00:28,920
Speaker 5: I agree.

2696
02:00:29,000 --> 02:00:31,840
Speaker 1: In today's NFL, you have to have an offense that's

2697
02:00:32,000 --> 02:00:33,839
Speaker 1: better than the good enough defense.

2698
02:00:34,320 --> 02:00:36,280
Speaker 6: I agree that the Patriots defense.

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02:00:37,720 --> 02:00:41,560
Speaker 1: Right now, the Patriot the Patriots defense would kill the

2700
02:00:41,640 --> 02:00:45,360
Speaker 1: Patriots offense. We need to get it out. We need

2701
02:00:45,440 --> 02:00:47,480
Speaker 1: to get it. We need to get an offense. So

2702
02:00:47,560 --> 02:00:49,720
Speaker 1: that's everybody else's no, but we need to get an

2703
02:00:49,760 --> 02:00:52,640
Speaker 1: offense that's better than the average defense.

2704
02:00:53,200 --> 02:00:57,120
Speaker 4: Until you start trying to outscore teams. That was a

2705
02:00:57,120 --> 02:01:00,120
Speaker 4: perfect The entire organization needs. That needs to be The

2706
02:01:00,200 --> 02:01:03,680
Speaker 4: message is we need to light up the scoreboard literally,

2707
02:01:03,880 --> 02:01:07,000
Speaker 4: and until they get into that mindset where everything that

2708
02:01:07,080 --> 02:01:12,320
Speaker 4: they're putting into it is about scoring points, they're gonna

2709
02:01:12,440 --> 02:01:15,320
Speaker 4: this is where they're gonna be. It's to me, it's there.

2710
02:01:15,680 --> 02:01:17,160
Speaker 4: It's a philosophical thing, I know.

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02:01:17,240 --> 02:01:18,879
Speaker 5: And you think they just put a brand new scoreboard

2712
02:01:18,920 --> 02:01:19,600
Speaker 5: and that they would want to.

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02:01:22,920 --> 02:01:23,240
Speaker 14: That like.

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02:01:23,600 --> 02:01:25,200
Speaker 3: It was getting to a point where I'm like, are

2715
02:01:25,240 --> 02:01:27,120
Speaker 3: we ever going to see the like Patriots win graphic

2716
02:01:27,200 --> 02:01:28,960
Speaker 3: on that scoreboard? And we finally saw. I don't know

2717
02:01:28,960 --> 02:01:29,640
Speaker 3: if we'll see.

2718
02:01:29,440 --> 02:01:31,400
Speaker 5: It again, but I can't see the board from where

2719
02:01:31,440 --> 02:01:31,960
Speaker 5: I sit, So.

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02:01:33,520 --> 02:01:35,800
Speaker 1: All right, that's gonna be it for this show. We'll

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Speaker 1: be back tomorrow.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, good job, Jeff, Jeff and New Bedford. Good job.

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