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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Rewind with Karen and Georgia.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's right. Every Wednesday we recap our old episodes

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Speaker 2: with all new commentary, updates and insights.

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Speaker 1: Today we're recapping episode episode episode.

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Speaker 3: Eighty seven, which we named Hither and Yon.

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Speaker 2: This episode came out on September twenty first, twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's listen to the intro of episode eighty seven,

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Speaker 1: Episode eighty seven.

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Speaker 2: Episode Welcome to My Favorite Murder, a true crime podcast

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Speaker 2: for people who are into facts and percentages.

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Speaker 4: That in itself is not a fact.

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Speaker 1: That's right. That's Karen Canna Garret, that's Georgia hard Stark.

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Speaker 1: I'm welcome, and we're finally back in my apartment.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is quite an adjustment, I know.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, I've been really looking forward to this to

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Speaker 1: just be like in our element. I was gonna clean

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Speaker 1: up the podcast loft.

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Speaker 2: What happened?

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Speaker 1: I mean, all you have to do is look at

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Speaker 1: it to know what happened. It's like a fucking bomb

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Speaker 1: went off in there, an Australian gift bomb. An Australian

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Speaker 1: gift bomb. We watch wrestling, fucking merch bomb. Oh shit,

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Speaker 1: there's empty fucking sparklet's bottles up there.

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Speaker 2: I always forget that there's two podcasts being being beamed

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Speaker 2: out of this apartment. Yeah, so there's a lot. There's

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Speaker 2: a lot going on, not just us.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and both Vince and I like are the keepers

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Speaker 1: of the things. So it's just an you know, there's

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Speaker 1: also cat barf And I'm gonna be honest right now.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, good, I welcome that honesty. Yeah. I don't

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Speaker 2: have a cat barf a quol in my house at

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Speaker 2: the moment. Although I did open the door to a

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Speaker 2: new my dog walker on vacation and she told me

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Speaker 2: she had a replacement, but she didn't say the replacement

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Speaker 2: was automatically coming. She just gave me the number of

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Speaker 2: the person I could call. Oh and so at like

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Speaker 2: eleven in the morning, Well, I was wearing When I

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Speaker 2: wear my black pajamas, they become black with white hair pajamas.

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Speaker 2: And I was sitting there working on something and the

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Speaker 2: door bell ring, and I was like, what could possibly

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Speaker 2: be happening right now?

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Speaker 4: The worst feeling when the doorbell ring, it's the worst.

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Speaker 1: I sneak to the door quietly and look out the

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Speaker 1: thing people, and then I'm like huh uh.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but like I'm like front door on the sidewalk.

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Speaker 2: So it's whoever, And a lot of times it's people

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Speaker 2: who are shilling for a church or real estate agency.

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Speaker 2: Hey are you thinking about selling a house? Hey, I

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Speaker 2: think you should sell this piece of shit house and

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Speaker 2: get out from get out from underwater. It's usually that.

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Speaker 2: One time it was the bug man. Did I tell

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Speaker 2: you about that? When I opened the door and the

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Speaker 2: guy goes, hey, I just wanted to introduce myself. I'm

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Speaker 2: and then he stood back a little bit and goes

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Speaker 2: the bug man, Yeah, And I just shut the door

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Speaker 2: because he was like he started to say my neighbors

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Speaker 2: used him to like firks an exterminator or something. But

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Speaker 2: he he was really young and good looking, and he

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Speaker 4: You don't try to charm me.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna bug charm me, Like no, never never. So

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Speaker 2: this time was weird because it was too beautiful Northern

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Speaker 2: of it is I met the dog walker that I

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Speaker 2: had no intention of calling because I didn't want to

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Speaker 4: It is her PA can't leave me alone.

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Speaker 2: Now she's already they've already been in they've seen the

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Speaker 2: worst of the worst.

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Speaker 1: It's something where you like know that someone's counting on

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Speaker 1: the money that you're paying them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been in that position where you're going to

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Speaker 1: Where I thought that I was getting this much money

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Speaker 1: And I burst into tears because I was like, you

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Speaker 4: Take this week off.

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Speaker 1: Yeah we're going on this tour and now it started

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Speaker 1: in Australia. End who knows where and when and who

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Speaker 1: knows when and what and how and why and why

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Speaker 1: and it could be I mean, stay tuned.

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Speaker 2: What we can guarantee you is an eventful, you never

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Speaker 2: know night.

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Speaker 1: You know what's cool about that is like I have

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Speaker 1: an issue with going to any I maybe more soon

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Speaker 1: as younger, Like any event alone, Like just showing up

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Speaker 4: Movie was it was There will be Blood, which.

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Speaker 1: Is like a move you don't want to watch alone,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot. There's a lot.

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Speaker 4: That was the only time ever going to a.

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Speaker 4: And lots of things. So yeah, So people are always people.

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Speaker 1: Who we meet with the shows tell us that they

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Speaker 1: and I met awesome people.

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Speaker 1: That to me is like the people who are scared

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Speaker 1: And I worked a therapy just to be like, here's

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Speaker 1: how fucking sweet he is. He was like, uh, oh, well, yeah,

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Speaker 4: Vince said this, oh you g've.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god. WHOA was like sold, yes, right, that's

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Speaker 1: He definitely didn't listen to the podcast, like is ever

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Speaker 2: Lots of people have good sensites of humor. Yeah, and

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Speaker 2: You know what it is. It's if you've been locked

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Speaker 2: the most full of shit people.

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Speaker 4: Who don't miss a beat right there, don't react.

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Speaker 2: How thrilling, yes exactly, they go along with it. It's

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Speaker 2: It's exhausting, it's it's thrilling. I cannot get a sense

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Speaker 1: It's just that it wasn't a vacation, and we were

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Speaker 2: No, No, The traveling that went on within the traveling

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Speaker 2: because there were so many that we had to do

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Speaker 2: and me too because they were so intense. There's some

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Speaker 2: fucked up, fucked up stories.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Almost.

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Speaker 1: It's almost good though, because now it feels like, well,

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Speaker 1: you only have three in Detroit and Toronto.

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Speaker 2: How great is that that's a fucking walk in the park.

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Speaker 4: It's no big deal. That's a cake walk in the park.

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Speaker 2: There's something about Australian true crime that is very dark.

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Speaker 2: It's like, oh my god, it is for some reason,

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Speaker 2: maybe it's this judgment feels darker than regular.

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Speaker 4: It feels like the only murders there are huge murders.

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Speaker 1: Yes, there's no like, they don't have guns, so it's

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Speaker 2: No, it's like a guy that it's got like, picked

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Speaker 2: up a handful of red clay and painted his face

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's good. How about the dirty dirty Bill Pullman.

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Speaker 2: He's dirty. Oh my, he's a dirty slat. It's a

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Speaker 2: No, she's like a self possessed, self actualized sex worker

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Speaker 2: money's it's great. It's really it's really well acted. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I love peep Show. Okay, that's I'm at Barry who

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Speaker 2: he's not from peep Show, but he just it reminds

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Speaker 2: like we're doing it here. Why won't you allow people

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Speaker 2: From Dark Places, Yes, Garth Marangs, Yes, okay, I love it.

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Speaker 2: It's like a new series and it is.

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Speaker 2: It's just excellent. Also, there was a clip we have

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Speaker 2: he's going to help this girl. She's carrying a big fish.

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00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:17,800
Speaker 2: Have you seen it? And they're walking and he's like,

438
00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:19,800
Speaker 2: let me take that for you. He's being super fake

439
00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:21,760
Speaker 2: sweet to her, and then she goes. He's like, oh,

440
00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:23,760
Speaker 2: are you going off this? And she finally goes like, oh,

441
00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:27,159
Speaker 2: my boyfriend's apartments are you and throws it And it's

442
00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:28,960
Speaker 2: just as somebody did a super cut of all the

443
00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:31,159
Speaker 2: times he does that. Oh my god. And he's just

444
00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:34,040
Speaker 2: thrown kick drop kicks a dog.

445
00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:36,199
Speaker 1: The minute a girl said, a woman says, I have

446
00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:38,600
Speaker 1: a boyfriend, my boy my boyfriend, my boyfriend.

447
00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:40,719
Speaker 4: You it's so funny.

448
00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:42,679
Speaker 1: And the fish the fish tank had fish in it,

449
00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:44,520
Speaker 1: and he broke it and they were on the ground.

450
00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:46,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, he smashed it as hard as he could them.

451
00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:46,679
Speaker 4: Listen.

452
00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:48,520
Speaker 2: So good, it's so good.

453
00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:52,600
Speaker 4: Well, go to YouTube.

454
00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:55,879
Speaker 2: But toast of London is on Netflix and Peep Show's

455
00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:57,919
Speaker 2: on still on Netflix, right, and do you know the

456
00:20:57,920 --> 00:20:59,800
Speaker 2: Peep Show. They're coming out with a new season. Oh

457
00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:03,240
Speaker 2: my yeah, they're like doing a think it's called something,

458
00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:05,359
Speaker 2: it's it's sorry, it's not peep Show. But they're coming

459
00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:09,720
Speaker 2: out with a news show. Good good, Hey, should we

460
00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:12,600
Speaker 2: sit down? Yeah? Should we talk about murder? Let's do it?

461
00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:15,919
Speaker 1: Who the fuck is first? And what are we basing

462
00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:19,920
Speaker 1: it off of? I mean Sydney, Sidney, the last show

463
00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:22,640
Speaker 1: in Sydney, I'm sorry, the show at the Opera House,

464
00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:24,720
Speaker 1: That Opera House show, that show we did at.

465
00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:28,080
Speaker 2: The Opera House. Who went first that time? I believe

466
00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:30,760
Speaker 2: you did because you went you went last. You did

467
00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:34,119
Speaker 2: the Shark Arm. Shark Arm wasn't sne so then I

468
00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:35,560
Speaker 2: was first at second night.

469
00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:36,560
Speaker 4: So it's you, that's me.

470
00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:41,720
Speaker 2: Okay, and we're back.

471
00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:45,400
Speaker 1: We're back in the podloft. Podloft days are still happening.

472
00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:49,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's cat bar, you know. Yeah, all the stuff

473
00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:52,359
Speaker 2: that we used to talk about. What a compelling podcast.

474
00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:54,600
Speaker 1: You know what I love is that going alone to

475
00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:57,000
Speaker 1: our shows became a thing.

476
00:21:57,960 --> 00:21:59,240
Speaker 3: I love that so much.

477
00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:02,639
Speaker 1: Like I feel like we talked about a fear and

478
00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:06,639
Speaker 1: then everyone knew everyone knows it, and then we like

479
00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:07,400
Speaker 1: conquered it.

480
00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:10,160
Speaker 2: I mean, it's the kind of fear that I think

481
00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:12,600
Speaker 2: is so relatable. Everyone has it. You don't want to

482
00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:15,400
Speaker 2: go somewhere by yourself, and it's so easy to tell

483
00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:18,320
Speaker 2: yourself all the things that could happen or the judgments,

484
00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:22,400
Speaker 2: and so then it's like almost creating that space where

485
00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:25,400
Speaker 2: it's like trust that this would be a good space, right,

486
00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:27,720
Speaker 2: and people keep going like it is, you are right.

487
00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:31,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very satisfying, and I'll say, like I've gotten

488
00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:34,399
Speaker 1: over that so hard that I love going places alone.

489
00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:37,399
Speaker 1: I feel like mysterious, like I'm Carmen san Diego or

490
00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:38,080
Speaker 1: something like that.

491
00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:40,760
Speaker 2: I know, I love it. Can I give a tip

492
00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:43,840
Speaker 2: on going places alone? Definitely if it's a party and

493
00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:47,199
Speaker 2: maybe this is just for me, but one of my

494
00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:52,600
Speaker 2: most successful going to a party alone was kind of

495
00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:55,199
Speaker 2: a little bit of a Hollywood one where I was like,

496
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Speaker 2: I really want to go to this and it'll be

497
00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:01,240
Speaker 2: fun and it's kind of so I know I'll see

498
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:03,520
Speaker 2: people that I know there and it'll be fine, But

499
00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:05,400
Speaker 2: it was just that like how do I get through

500
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:08,159
Speaker 2: that front door? And so what I did was I

501
00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:11,520
Speaker 2: left my purse in the car, put lipstick and like

502
00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:14,280
Speaker 2: the things I wanted in the pockets of this coat

503
00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:16,879
Speaker 2: that I loved. That's like it was like basically like

504
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:19,479
Speaker 2: a little swing coat. And then I just wore my

505
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:22,240
Speaker 2: coat all night. So it's like I had this weird

506
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:25,720
Speaker 2: little protection on where I was like, I don't have

507
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,800
Speaker 2: a purse where I'm like I just came in from outside.

508
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:33,159
Speaker 2: I had weird little like exchange student energy, whereas like

509
00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:35,960
Speaker 2: maybe I'm leaving right now, maybe I'm not from here.

510
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:37,040
Speaker 2: Maybe you don't know.

511
00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:39,240
Speaker 3: You don't know, you just can't know.

512
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:41,480
Speaker 1: You reminded me the last time I went to a party,

513
00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:43,520
Speaker 1: the other thing that you do, you can wait till

514
00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:45,919
Speaker 1: someone else is going in by themselves. I didn't do

515
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,080
Speaker 1: it on purpose, but I walked up to my friend's door,

516
00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:51,119
Speaker 1: and this is a total fucking the Hollywood brag. The

517
00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:53,520
Speaker 1: same time, there was a single another single woman walking

518
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:56,200
Speaker 1: in and we met and became friends and walked in together.

519
00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:58,400
Speaker 3: Yes, I walked into a party.

520
00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:00,720
Speaker 1: With Judy Greer, Oh my god, And it looked like

521
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:04,480
Speaker 1: I came with her and she was the fucking nicest,

522
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:08,120
Speaker 1: Oh good. She brought a candle as a gift. She's

523
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:09,600
Speaker 1: like housewarming gift.

524
00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:10,639
Speaker 2: I love hearing that.

525
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:14,440
Speaker 3: She was the nicest yes, and I brought donuts. She

526
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 3: was lovely.

527
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 2: She's so good.

528
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,000
Speaker 1: I know, she's such a good actress. And you could

529
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:20,920
Speaker 1: tell she was a little nervous chew walking in alone.

530
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 1: It's fucking Judy Greer.

531
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:23,960
Speaker 2: Well, it's like when you and I went to that

532
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:27,080
Speaker 2: Megan Malalley party that was like her witches brew party

533
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,879
Speaker 2: and all women. And I had the same experience with

534
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 2: Lisa Kudro when you were like one person away from

535
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:34,280
Speaker 2: me because you were talking to somebody.

536
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:34,520
Speaker 1: Yeah.

537
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:36,800
Speaker 2: I was just kind of standing up waiting, and then

538
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,440
Speaker 2: she overheard. She goes, did you just say blah blah blah.

539
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:41,680
Speaker 2: I think she was like, are you talking about a network?

540
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 2: And I'm like yeah. She basically was like tell me

541
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:49,320
Speaker 2: about it. And I'm like, okay, Lisa Kudrokudro, Judy Greer,

542
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:54,480
Speaker 2: go ahead, it sounds good. Everybody act as a I love.

543
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:56,679
Speaker 3: It all right, tips and tricks.

544
00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:58,200
Speaker 2: We've done the rewind.

545
00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:59,439
Speaker 3: And we're getting it all out today.

546
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you don't have stuff in your hands, and

547
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:03,959
Speaker 2: you can make it so that you can keep your

548
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:05,720
Speaker 2: hands in your pockets the whole time. If you want

549
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 2: to and make it that you could slide out and

550
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:09,640
Speaker 2: Irish good buye.

551
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:10,160
Speaker 3: The entire thing.

552
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:12,879
Speaker 2: At any point, no one would know you're a purely

553
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,919
Speaker 2: safe I like it all right. Oh my god, you

554
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 2: wore a t shirt to therapy that said the husband

555
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:19,160
Speaker 2: did it.

556
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 3: That was my favorite shirt for the longest time.

557
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 1: I have one that's got a kitten on it and

558
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 1: it says filled with rage.

559
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:26,680
Speaker 3: That's my favorite.

560
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 2: I do wear my favorite TikTok sweatshirt, which is this amazing,

561
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:34,400
Speaker 2: hilarious drawing of a frog sitting down trying to touch

562
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:36,159
Speaker 2: his own toes with a cup of tea and an

563
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 2: underneath it says self care See you're just like us.

564
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:43,960
Speaker 2: But that's literally like kind of a one off. There's

565
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:47,400
Speaker 2: not many. I just get to nineties self conscious.

566
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,639
Speaker 3: Or I'm just like a band tea kind of a thing.

567
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:51,680
Speaker 2: Don't need anybody reading my body.

568
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:53,680
Speaker 3: Right, It's like it's like a look at me thing.

569
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 1: You have a band tea, a fucking no sing here,

570
00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:57,959
Speaker 1: look at these tits.

571
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 2: You're the fucker Get over here. I love a strawbay.

572
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 3: I have a strawberry shirt on right now. Everyone.

573
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's right.

574
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:05,399
Speaker 3: I have many strawberry shirts.

575
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 2: Well it's a very eighties, is it.

576
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 1: Oh?

577
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:09,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a thing in the eighties. Have you

578
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 2: ever seen the eighties or did your sister or anybody

579
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 2: else have the dittos, the jeans that had like little

580
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 2: designs on the back.

581
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 3: Podcasts?

582
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 2: And then it was like I got ones with cherries

583
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:22,880
Speaker 2: on the back. I got ones with blah blah blah

584
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:24,200
Speaker 2: on the back. Strawberries were big.

585
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 1: I think it reminds me of the hungry, hungry caterpillar

586
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 1: as wow, oh he's been really happy.

587
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:29,399
Speaker 2: A wonderful book.

588
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 3: Okay, should we get into it?

589
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:33,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess we should. No, I think you should

590
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 2: describe what we're wearing from our child. Okay, it is

591
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,200
Speaker 2: time now to get into Georgia's story about Jack Gilbert

592
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 2: Graham and Flight six twenty nine.

593
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 1: All right, this is the Sorry I just forgot what

594
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:57,920
Speaker 1: I was doing. This is the story of Jack Gilbert

595
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 1: Graham and Flight six twenty nine. All right, So Jack

596
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 1: Gilbert Graham, let's tom Jack was born on.

597
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 2: Flight six twenty nine.

598
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 1: Now, it was like, do I ignore that airplane flying

599
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 1: into this place? Do we have something like a black

600
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,400
Speaker 1: box that if we get blown up by an airplane

601
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 1: right now that they can find it, can you save that?

602
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,200
Speaker 2: I don't think this would survive airplant Upload it right now,

603
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 2: just in case. The apartment has a black box. That's

604
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 2: all the apartments came with black rights.

605
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 4: That's the thing. That's why you came here. That vintage

606
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:32,679
Speaker 4: ship painting.

607
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:35,919
Speaker 2: That's a black box. Oh ok, yeah, well so so.

608
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: Jack is born on January twenty third, nineteen thirty two,

609
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 1: in Denver, Colorado. I was gonna do this for Denver,

610
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 1: but then I'm like, I'm saving the shit out of this.

611
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 1: He's a second child of Daisy Graham and her second husband.

612
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 1: Jack is born during the Great Depression in nineteen thirty seven.

613
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,440
Speaker 1: His dad dies of pneumonia, which is a thing back

614
00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:00,159
Speaker 1: in the Great Depression. It caused Daisy. Daisy then and

615
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,440
Speaker 1: his mother sent him to an orphanage because of their poverty.

616
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,239
Speaker 1: Super bummer. It was a thing back then. Yeah, And

617
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 1: sometimes they just did it like it was a pawn shop,

618
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 1: where it was like stay here for a little while.

619
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 2: That's right, I'll come back and get you. Baby farmers, right,

620
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 2: weren't they called baby farmers in England? And I didn't

621
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,119
Speaker 2: know that that makes sense, where you just kind of

622
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 2: drop them off and they grow your baby and then

623
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 2: you come pick them back up. They grow your baby poorly,

624
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 2: they grow your baby. But a lot of times what

625
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 2: they would do is kill them and take the money. Yeah,

626
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 2: they would take the money, be like sure, sure, or

627
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:32,679
Speaker 2: we'll totally take care of it and get money from

628
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 2: the state or whatever. Oh no.

629
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 1: So but then Daisy goes and married and I had

630
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 1: to quote this because it was so good well healed,

631
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 1: meaning rich as fuck. Yeah, Daisy marries a richest fuck

632
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 1: rancher named Earl King in nineteen forty one. She's now

633
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 1: like fucking living the high life. Still doesn't get Jack

634
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 1: from the orphanage. Oh yeah, well that's her old life.

635
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 2: She wants to get all that behind her.

636
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 1: She doesn't want to like stress out rancher guy in

637
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 1: his manch He ran away several times to be with

638
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 1: her from the orphanage, but she always brought him back,

639
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 1: which is like, oh no, you're going to raise it.

640
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 2: Oh that's so he would actually get to his mother's

641
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 2: house and she would bring him back the mansion. That's

642
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 2: like something an orphan would make up. She's like, my

643
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 2: mother lives nearby in a mansion, right.

644
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 1: And she must not just be able to come get me,

645
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 1: So I'm going to make it easier for her and

646
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 1: go there.

647
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 2: And then she's all, no, thanks, Nope.

648
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 1: Then, when Jack was eight years old, Daisy, she brought

649
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 1: him home to the ranch to celebrate Christmas from the orphanage, like,

650
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 1: come on home from Christmas, buys him a pony, and

651
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 1: he's like, well, if you're buying me a pony, I'm

652
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 1: clearly here to stay.

653
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 2: Nope.

654
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 4: Once Christmas was over, she takes him back to the

655
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 4: fucking orphanage.

656
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 1: Can you imagine living a lavish whatever week life week

657
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 1: long life in the mansion that your mother gets to

658
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 1: stay in, Your mom get a pony, And there was

659
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 1: an older half sister, so I doesn't say, I wonder

660
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 1: if she was actually living there?

661
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 3: You know.

662
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 2: Also, why don't they just send him to boarding school?

663
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 2: Did they have to be in an orphanage? Sure?

664
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, So the husband, the richestok husband dies and she

665
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 1: takes the money for inheritance, becomes a successful business woman

666
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 1: and still doesn't fucking get him from the orphanage.

667
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 2: I know you're just telling me a super sad story

668
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 2: this week. That's it. Okay, it's just all about orphans.

669
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 2: Just take that up.

670
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, don't worry. It gets worse, Okay.

671
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 1: When he's sixteen, he forges papers and he joins the

672
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 1: Coast Guard, but his real age is found out and

673
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 1: he's discharged, which is so sad, where it's like he

674
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 1: might have had a good life if they had just

675
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 1: like he wanted to join the Coast Guard and be

676
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 1: part of the military and they were like sixteen, which

677
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 1: back then was like twenty seven in terms of like

678
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 1: being on your own, you could probably drink already.

679
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 2: I mean, but if it was still during its list

680
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 2: is a little after the depression, because maybe it's like

681
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 2: no free lunches.

682
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, come back when you're eighteen. Yeah, you're on free

683
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 1: lunch until Yeah, go get your free lunch with the orphanage.

684
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 2: Because maybe they would get in trouble for you know,

685
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 2: that's true dangerous. I don't know.

686
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 4: At nineteen.

687
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: So finally, at nineteen, he forged for over four grand

688
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 1: in checks to finance a road trip that got him

689
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,239
Speaker 1: and it ended up the forged checks got on two

690
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 1: months into Texas jail for bootlegging and running a police

691
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 1: road block at one hundred miles per hour, which sounds

692
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 1: like fucking fun.

693
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 4: Yes, bootlegging.

694
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 2: Yeah. At this point he's like, who gives a fuck. Yeah,

695
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 2: I'm going to go. Everyone in charge is crazy. I'm

696
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 2: going to live my life. Yeah.

697
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 1: Uh. He's extradited back to Denver's mom pays his debt

698
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 1: and probation is granted. So he then goes to the

699
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 1: University of Denver, which is hilater like he must be

700
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 1: have some must be kind of smart.

701
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, in a way, I couldn't get into a un

702
00:31:57,920 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 2: the university system here in California.

703
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 3: What did our.

704
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 2: Uber drivers tell us when we were in Boulder.

705
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 1: It was the night before school started for the University

706
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 1: of Boulder.

707
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 2: Yes, I think so whatever whatever the law Bolder.

708
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 4: Couldn't get into she said to us.

709
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 1: No, he said to us, Yeah, well Boulders not Boulder

710
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 1: College is known as a pretty easy to get into

711
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 1: school in Everyone there was stupid, which I was just like, Okay,

712
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 1: I don't feel so bad about going to community college

713
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 1: and dropping out.

714
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 2: Now. I went to sex State where they were like,

715
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 2: please come here, Please come and be one of the

716
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 2: two hundred thousand people that go to this. We need

717
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 2: you more than you need us. Yeah, Oh my god,

718
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 2: I love it, but we should add this that. Then

719
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 2: after our show and we all went downtown to like

720
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 2: try to find a party, where people told us over

721
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 2: and over again, don't go downtown. Yeah, they were like,

722
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 2: you don't want to go down there because it was

723
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 2: all college kids partying, college kids just running amuck in

724
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 2: the street, all of them lovely polite.

725
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 4: Oh yeah.

726
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 2: My sister asked for directions at one point and the

727
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 2: boy was like practically walked them to the door of

728
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 2: the place I'm trying to find. Yeah.

729
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we're not listened Boulder College. I mean, I

730
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 1: just I figure I put that out there too, of Colorado.

731
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 1: That's very fair of you. I wasn't gonna.

732
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 2: I mean, we can't call everybody stupid and just walk away.

733
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 4: You're right, Uh dude?

734
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 2: Okay.

735
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 1: So attends Denry University, meets his wife, Gloria Daisy. The

736
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 1: mom and Jack were estrange until nineteen fifty four, when

737
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 1: Jack was twenty two years old, and Daisy at this

738
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 1: point is running a successful restaurant, and in May of

739
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 1: nineteen fifty five, she builds a Crown Aid.

740
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 4: She builds Crown a.

741
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 1: Drive in, which is what it was called for. Him

742
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 1: to manage. She just like builds a place so he'll

743
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 1: have a fucking job.

744
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 2: That's the big, that's the big, get back, that's the big.

745
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 2: Sorry about the orphanage your whole life?

746
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 4: Remember when I abandoned the shit out of you forever?

747
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 1: Hey, Well then how about some middle management? Yeah, have

748
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 1: a clean up French fry Greece every night. Good luck

749
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 1: with that, and manage like roller scanning waitresses. You hate

750
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: your guts, love mommy, love your mommy. Fucking but Daisy

751
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,320
Speaker 1: and Jack they still had a shitty relationship. They're often

752
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 1: seen arguing, and in nineteen fifty five, Daisy's restaurant her

753
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 1: other restaurant has a gas explosion. It causes severe damage

754
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:23,919
Speaker 1: closes her restaurant for good.

755
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 2: Huhm hm hmm. The most interesting kind of explosion, right,

756
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 2: gas line?

757
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: Would I bring it up if it wasn't relevant? Probably not?

758
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 2: Probably, probably, yeah, maybe.

759
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:34,799
Speaker 4: Not, maybe not.

760
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:38,919
Speaker 2: We we won't know, you'll never know. There's a third

761
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:40,359
Speaker 2: choice and we don't know it yet.

762
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 1: Um then okay, So Daisy, this points a fifty three

763
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: year old widow fifty three at that.

764
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 4: Point as fucking old as shit.

765
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 1: She's liked for the Hills lady, you've done for you

766
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:51,800
Speaker 1: retire already.

767
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 4: Well yeah, so, so she tells Jack.

768
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 1: Jack's twenty three at this point, he's got a wife,

769
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 1: they have a baby.

770
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 2: He's like made good.

771
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 1: And made a family and works for his mother. Like

772
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 1: he's clearly trying to fucking label make her want him still,

773
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,840
Speaker 1: you know. And she's like, oh, by the way, the

774
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 1: holiday's coming up. Even though you have a new baby,

775
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go instead go to Alaska and visit your

776
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 1: older sister.

777
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:24,840
Speaker 2: God I hate her. It's so the people close to

778
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 2: you are the ones that can hurt you the most,

779
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,760
Speaker 2: and they do, and why do we let them? Because

780
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 2: you just that's life. That's like, it's a series of

781
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 2: insults and injuries.

782
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:38,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, And you're trying to fix yourself so that you

783
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 1: fit into what they want from you, even though they

784
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:43,800
Speaker 1: have no fucking clue what they want from you because

785
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 1: they're broken too.

786
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 2: And then you realize you fix yourself for yourself, and

787
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:51,319
Speaker 2: you drive through a fucking police roadblock like this is.

788
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 1: My remember, this is my movie, and you're like, you

789
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:57,839
Speaker 1: have fun, that's right, you're drinking fucking shitty bathtub gin.

790
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 2: Yes, you're playing the best. You're just going for it. Yeah.

791
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 1: And then in Texas of all places, which had to

792
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,439
Speaker 1: be fun. Yes, go watch everyone, go watch Paper Moon.

793
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 1: I bet that's what his life was like. That movie

794
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 1: is so amazing.

795
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 2: Or Friday Night Lights.

796
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, they weren't bootlegging.

797
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:15,799
Speaker 3: In that movie where they could have been.

798
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 2: There was that one season where the brothers stole copper wiring.

799
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 1: There was that one season where they had, uh, what's

800
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 1: it called prohibition?

801
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,320
Speaker 2: But what did you say? I just said pot? Oh,

802
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 2: they took some pot. They took pot.

803
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 1: That the okay, and that I wrote, And that, as

804
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,840
Speaker 1: they say, was the final final fucking straw for him. Yeah,

805
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 1: And I was like, or maybe it was the pony

806
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 1: years and years ago. That was the final straw, and

807
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 1: he just like hadn't planned it yet.

808
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 2: This straw went in and then it was it just waited.

809
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 2: It was benine until it became ali.

810
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, it just got heavier over the years.

811
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 3: Okay.

812
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 1: November one, nineteen fifty five, Jack's like, Okay, you want

813
00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 1: to go to Alaska.

814
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:01,359
Speaker 2: Great, let me take you to the airport. Oh, I'll

815
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 2: take you to the airport to go to Alaska. So loaded,

816
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 2: because I just was like, it's literally loaded it. Oh,

817
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 2: all right, I'm gonna let you go. Well, just just

818
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 2: going to the airport by itself. Like the morning we

819
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 2: were leaving for our trip, you were like, come to

820
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 2: my house if you want to ride with us, come

821
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 2: to my house. We're leaving at seven thirty. Da da da.

822
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,280
Speaker 2: And then I was just like, I am so stressed,

823
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 2: and now I'm adding another thing to be stress there

824
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 2: waiting for me. Yeah, and I'm gonna screw this hour. No,

825
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 2: I'm going to be on time.

826
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 1: I think it's better that you not that you would

827
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 1: have done anything wrong. You were there with the exact

828
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 1: same time.

829
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 2: It's that thing of we were which I think we

830
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 2: did very well with the anxiety of travel.

831
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 4: Oh my god, we had such a good friendship trip.

832
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:47,319
Speaker 4: It was so fun. It was so good.

833
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 1: We had the best Stephen, thank you for being a

834
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 1: kitten in the in the group of like.

835
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 2: Just Stevens, Stevens saying I get but it's like, yeah,

836
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 2: we're I think we're both aware. But also it's that

837
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 2: thing of like just level anxiety not knowing things walking up.

838
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 2: You never know what the fuck you're doing or where

839
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 2: you're supposed to be.

840
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 1: Which is great that we have Vince, who could not

841
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 1: let who could not be in charge, not be in

842
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 1: charge if he tried, Yes, and so it's the best. Yeah,

843
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:17,959
Speaker 1: he would never if it was up to one of us,

844
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: he would lose his fucking one. Yeah, he would lose

845
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:24,879
Speaker 1: his mind. Me too, Yeah, me too.

846
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:28,839
Speaker 2: Between Vince and then our Australian, our manager Nick, who

847
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:30,360
Speaker 2: was a genius.

848
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 4: We love you. You're never gonna listen to this podcast.

849
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:34,880
Speaker 2: He's so punk rock. Yeah he doesn't.

850
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 4: He was so punk rock.

851
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's the best. He's the best. I want him

852
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 2: to always travel with us. Okay, so sorry, I'm just

853
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,840
Speaker 2: I'm setting the table of I now have travel anxiety.

854
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 1: Just hearing travel anxiety, secks, Can you okay picture this?

855
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 1: You're everyone's a little scared of flying. You're anxious at

856
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:55,839
Speaker 1: the airport. Traveling is new, it's nineteen fifty five, like, oh,

857
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 1: passenger traveling is pretty new. And sitting at the in

858
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 1: the airport before you get on your plane is a

859
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 1: fucking like cigarette machine that instead of cigarette sells life insurance.

860
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 1: What before you get on the plane, swear it's a

861
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 1: fucking god.

862
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 4: This was a thing until the eighties.

863
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 1: So you go in there and in this case, Jack

864
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 1: puts in a dollar fifty and gets out a life

865
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 1: insurance policy for his mother is about to fly to

866
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 1: Alaska for thirty seven thousand, five hundred dollars, which at

867
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 1: that time is this time it would be almost three

868
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 1: hundred fifty thousand dollars, and it's just like good luck

869
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 1: on your like everyone just bought them and it was like,

870
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 1: hope you don't die.

871
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 2: It's so perfect, Like it's so perfect. If he has

872
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:44,839
Speaker 2: any bad intentions, he didn't fucking put the machine there,

873
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 2: like he's just using it like everybody at.

874
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 1: That day, everyone's like it's a thing of like, oh

875
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 1: I better do it for good luck though you know

876
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:52,799
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like of course when I don't do it,

877
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:54,839
Speaker 1: it's gonna it's like having your numbers on Roulett where

878
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 1: it's like you always do thirteen, yeah, but like this

879
00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 1: one time, it's like, well what if thirteen comes up?

880
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 4: So I just always put it on thirteen.

881
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 2: Same with renting a car, Yeah, it's gone to me

882
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 2: the time you don't get rental insurance exactly I did.

883
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 1: I did that where it's like why did you bring

884
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 1: up rental insurance, dude?

885
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 4: Because now I have to.

886
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: Get it yep, all right, okay, right, So I think

887
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:17,800
Speaker 1: they did away with that on purpose because it's terrifying

888
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:18,280
Speaker 1: to everyone.

889
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:20,959
Speaker 2: That's terrifying. It also it opens the door to people

890
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 2: who should not be able to just buy life insurance policies.

891
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:29,360
Speaker 2: Hither and Yon, but also don't yon, that was I

892
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 2: got a stuff on that.

893
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 4: I've never heard that, but I know what you meant.

894
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 2: It didn't really apply to what I was saying.

895
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 4: But well, hither and thither it's like here and there.

896
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 2: But no, I know, but I want to now see

897
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:42,399
Speaker 2: all those machines that they made in the fifties when

898
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 2: they were like making like life is going to be

899
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:46,240
Speaker 2: easier because we have these machines.

900
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 1: I had like a photo, like a drawing of like

901
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:50,800
Speaker 1: a happy family on the way to that walk into that,

902
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 1: you know, because you'd walk on the tarmac walk. Yeah,

903
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 1: oh god, I bet we could find it. I could,

904
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 1: but we could find one in like American pickers that show,

905
00:40:58,320 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 1: and then.

906
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 2: They they must have kept them.

907
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 1: Can I bet there's some that have like it's some

908
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 1: mechanic they're playing mechanic who they were closing down that

909
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 1: and he took it home because because he's a hoarder

910
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 1: and it still has the papers you would get.

911
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:15,760
Speaker 2: Could you imagine?

912
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 4: Yes, I need that for the podcast off.

913
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 2: It's such a good idea. Yeah, you need to put

914
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 2: that up there.

915
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 4: Can someone please bring us that?

916
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:27,280
Speaker 2: Actually yeah, okay. It's just around the same time as automats,

917
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 2: which are the most hilarious there. When cafeterias they pretended

918
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 2: to be automated, but it was just people putting dishes

919
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 2: into those.

920
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 4: Like press it's like pressing d seven.

921
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 1: It's like a hand coming out and handing you the

922
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 1: like the cream corn.

923
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:42,359
Speaker 2: Or whatever there. Yeah, so you just have a bunch

924
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 2: of plates.

925
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 1: Like one of my one of my time travel like

926
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 1: plans is I would go to an automat because I

927
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 1: love cafeterias more than anything.

928
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 2: Yes, a thousand percent, Yeah, I would do.

929
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 1: When we time travel and then we're going to go

930
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 1: shopping at fucking May Company.

931
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 2: Oh okay, okay, when they run the things like you know,

932
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,839
Speaker 2: but they used to run the money along wires abe

933
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 2: they would drop it down, so we like anyway, Okay,

934
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:08,879
Speaker 2: but I want dresses, Yes, you can go do that. Well,

935
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 2: I go look at the dresses and girdles.

936
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 1: Go ahead, okay, great, Okay, well, here's where it gets crazy. Okay, before, Okay,

937
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 1: here's what happened. Wait, let's go back to before.

938
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:23,840
Speaker 2: Wait.

939
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 3: No.

940
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:27,760
Speaker 1: Jack says to Daisy that he left a surprise Christmas

941
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 1: gift in her suitcase. Spoiler alert, it wasn't a puppy

942
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 1: and I wrote that so it was kind of corny instead.

943
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 1: In Daisy's large tan Samsonight suitcase, alongside the photo album

944
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 1: of Jack and Gloria's wedding that Daisy was going to

945
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 1: show to her daughter in Alaska, he had placed the

946
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:53,360
Speaker 1: neat bundle of explosives. Less than an hour after the

947
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 1: flight took off. The United Airlines flight became the first

948
00:42:56,480 --> 00:43:01,320
Speaker 1: confirmed sabotage of a commercial aircraft in the United States

949
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 1: when it exploded mid air.

950
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 2: Oh fuck, have.

951
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 4: You not seen this crown to remember? Oh my god.

952
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 1: It crashed into farmland and sugar beet fields near Longmont, Colorado,

953
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 1: and Daisy and the forty three other passengers and crew

954
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 1: all died.

955
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 2: Oh god.

956
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 1: The youngest passenger was thirteen month old James Fitzpatrick, the

957
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 1: second the eldest was eighty one year old Leyla McLain.

958
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 1: Five children lost both their parents and the crash pregnant

959
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 1: twenty two year old Carol Binam and her husband both died.

960
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,400
Speaker 1: It was the worst mass murder in US history at

961
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 1: the time and remains the worst in Colorado, and was

962
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 1: one of the largest investigations in.

963
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 2: The FBI history.

964
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I know the FBI obtained so can

965
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 1: I really quickly? I just want to say, also, and

966
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,840
Speaker 1: I know it's fucking sidebar nation over here, but I

967
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 1: just finished What's weird about this? That I was planning

968
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:03,360
Speaker 1: on doing this, and then I didn't realize until today

969
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 1: when I finished this audiobook I've been listening to that

970
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 1: is so fucking good.

971
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:09,280
Speaker 2: But it's about a.

972
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 1: Plane crash, that sabotage that goes the whole story. You

973
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 1: don't find out what happened until the very end, And

974
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 1: in my car at like two o'clock today I found

975
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 1: out and I almost had a pullover because I was crying.

976
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 2: Wow, so good. Was it a true story?

977
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 4: No?

978
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 2: No, yeah, it's a novel.

979
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 4: It's called Before the Fall by Noah Holly.

980
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 2: H A w l e y Oh spoiler alert. What

981
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 2: did I say? You said what the ending was? What

982
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 2: did I say you said that it was the explosion? Oh?

983
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 1: No, it's not an explosion though, it's just it's just

984
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 1: a plane crash.

985
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,439
Speaker 4: Oh okay, that's not no, no, no, So the explosion isn't

986
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 4: part of it.

987
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 1: It's a plane crash that that they have to then,

988
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 1: so I got to talk about how they figured out

989
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 1: what had happened on the in the plane crash by

990
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 1: putting it in the hangar.

991
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 4: So this same kind of thing happened.

992
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 1: Well, they had a piece together to figure out what

993
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 1: happened in the plane crash, and they do it by

994
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,280
Speaker 1: interviews and going back to the day of the crash

995
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 1: and who did what and what happened, and all the

996
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 1: characters are really good. It's not an explosion. Okay, okay,

997
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 1: that's a spoiler alert. I thought that's what you were.

998
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:10,760
Speaker 3: I don't know.

999
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 2: I just had the name of the book.

1000
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:17,359
Speaker 4: It's called Before the Fall, and the audiobook is great.

1001
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:19,320
Speaker 2: The reader is really good. You know, it's hard to

1002
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 2: find that name sounds familiar. Noah, Holly, I bet he

1003
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 2: did something really cool. I feel like it's the guy

1004
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 2: that I could be wrong, but that might be the

1005
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:29,280
Speaker 2: guy that does that does.

1006
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 1: A fargo now, yes, really, yes, okay, coming back, Karen,

1007
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 1: just fucking oh my god, your memory is bananas?

1008
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 2: Is it?

1009
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 1: Though your memory is certain ways it is Noah, Holly,

1010
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 1: Is it Holly?

1011
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:50,360
Speaker 2: It's h Holly. J A. W. L. E. Y. But

1012
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 2: he's not. He does a lot of things, but he

1013
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 2: is the reason of fucking Fargo series is so magical

1014
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:59,839
Speaker 2: because it's being written. It's a novelist writing a TV show.

1015
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 2: So it's like I had pictures.

1016
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, well now I'm even more proud of myself for

1017
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 1: finding this fucking book.

1018
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:08,280
Speaker 2: The nice He's got other ones here, so.

1019
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:09,399
Speaker 4: I'm going to download all of them.

1020
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1021
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 1: Great audiobook, which sometimes I'll be like, don't get the audiobook,

1022
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 1: read the book.

1023
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 2: It's better. This was a great audiobook.

1024
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 1: And it's just weird that I'm doing this story at

1025
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:20,839
Speaker 1: the same time as this, because I literally I don't

1026
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 1: cry at books and movies. And I almost had a

1027
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 1: pullover because I was just like so taken aback.

1028
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 2: By some I love a good author, like someone much

1029
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 2: really does it right.

1030
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 1: I'm so happy that we that we put that you

1031
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:38,319
Speaker 1: put that together. Okay, So the FBI obtained use of

1032
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 1: a nearby barn. They reassembled the fragments of the airplane

1033
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 1: collected from the site, and they were able to determine

1034
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 1: that the explosives were used, which is so incredible to

1035
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 1: me that a flight a plane can blow up and

1036
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 1: crash and they can still put it together and figure

1037
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 1: out what happened.

1038
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 2: They put it together like a huge puzzle. It's incredible.

1039
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 2: It's crazy. Those people must be so smart.

1040
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 1: They went, yeah, I'm not gonna say it.

1041
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:07,240
Speaker 4: I'm done with that. I'm done with folder.

1042
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:13,799
Speaker 1: And then they and they determined that which piece of

1043
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 1: luggage it had come from. Oh fuck yeah, like it

1044
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:19,320
Speaker 1: went off in that piece of luggage. And they figured

1045
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,839
Speaker 1: out what piece of luggage it came from, and they

1046
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:24,319
Speaker 1: figured it out with Daisy's Tan Sampson I.

1047
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 3: All right.

1048
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 1: They so they started looking into her family and looked

1049
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 1: into Jack when they found out about his criminal past

1050
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 1: with the bootlegging shit. They also determined that Daisy's restaurant

1051
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 1: had been damaged by quote a suspicious explosion as well,

1052
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 1: and that Jack had received the insurance settlements, which is like, dude,

1053
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 1: change your momo a little bit.

1054
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:47,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean.

1055
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 4: Don't keep exploding things.

1056
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1057
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 1: Locals also suspected Jack of deliberate causing his new pickup

1058
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:56,359
Speaker 1: truck to be stuck by to be stuck struck by

1059
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 1: a train that year for insurance money. So this guy

1060
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 1: was like after insurance money and into explosions. They also

1061
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 1: found that when she died, a large part of Daisy's

1062
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 1: estate would go to Jack, so insurance money again.

1063
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:10,800
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1064
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:14,279
Speaker 1: After a few days of questioning, Jack said, okay, where

1065
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:17,240
Speaker 1: do you want me to start? And then, in great detail,

1066
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:19,839
Speaker 1: he described building and planting the bomb that killed his

1067
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:22,839
Speaker 1: mother and forty three others on flight six twenty nine.

1068
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 1: It was constructed of twenty five sticks of dynamite, a

1069
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:29,359
Speaker 1: six foot battery, two electric primer caps in case one

1070
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 1: of them failed, and a timer set to detonate in

1071
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 1: about ninety minutes.

1072
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 4: After he planted it or turned it on.

1073
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:39,880
Speaker 1: Working in an electronic shop for just two weeks, he

1074
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 1: had given Jack all the expertise he needed to build

1075
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 1: the bomb, So this guy must have been fucking smart.

1076
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1077
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 1: I then he said, I then took this, and I

1078
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 1: then took the sack of dynamite with the battery and

1079
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 1: tim are attached, and placed it in my mother's large suitcase.

1080
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 1: Based on all that evidence found at Jack's house, he

1081
00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 1: was arrested charge of sabotage, and later that was changed murder.

1082
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 1: After they erects arrest, some newspaper people, radio station people

1083
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 1: were able to sneak for cameras and recording into the jail,

1084
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 1: and Jack told them, I loved my mother very much.

1085
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 1: She meant a lot to me. It's very hard for

1086
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 1: me to tell exactly how I feel. She left so

1087
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:24,720
Speaker 1: much of herself behind, which I'm like, no, she fucking didn't.

1088
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 1: I mean, is that insensitive?

1089
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:32,280
Speaker 2: It's insane of him to say, Yeah, it's super bizarre.

1090
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:35,880
Speaker 1: I think he must have not had our emotions or

1091
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 1: feelings that we have. I don't want to call him

1092
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 1: the sociopath because people are like, that's not really.

1093
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 2: Well it may or may not apply, but he's definitely

1094
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:48,320
Speaker 2: was insanely like damaged and abused as a child, and

1095
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 2: that the.

1096
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:52,800
Speaker 1: Emotional attachments you have were broken. Yeah, at some point.

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00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 2: His mother repeatedly rejected him. That's like there's some serial

1098
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 2: killers that that it only happens once and they.

1099
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 4: He still doesn't mean he didn't love her.

1100
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 1: It could mean that he loved her more really in

1101
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:07,800
Speaker 1: a way that we don't feel love, but that feels

1102
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:08,800
Speaker 1: like love to someone else.

1103
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 2: Well, it's all he knew. Yeah, it's I mean he.

1104
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:14,839
Speaker 1: Lived in an orphan He had that thing of like you,

1105
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 1: if you don't have emotional attachments to not just your parents,

1106
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 1: but to like a caregiver as a young child, you

1107
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:28,759
Speaker 1: can't have those to anyone or it's really hard to

1108
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 1: change that.

1109
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:31,400
Speaker 2: That's right. It's sad.

1110
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, But he's also a murderer and murdered a bunch

1111
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:35,840
Speaker 1: of innocent people.

1112
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:40,359
Speaker 2: I mean, the plan of that, the coldness of the

1113
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:43,799
Speaker 2: plan of revenge on his mom, but then just like

1114
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:48,400
Speaker 2: total devastation on all these other people, many families. So

1115
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 2: it's so evil.

1116
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1117
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 1: When asked why he had signed the confession and confessed,

1118
00:50:57,040 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 1: he said that the FBI threatened to point out inconsistencies

1119
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:03,879
Speaker 1: and statements made by his wife, Gloria, but he wanted

1120
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:05,879
Speaker 1: to keep her out of it. He just didn't want

1121
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 1: her to have anything to do with it, so he

1122
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 1: was like, I'm going to confess, so she doesn't. You know,

1123
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 1: maybe she was lying for him, maybe she was covering

1124
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:14,799
Speaker 1: for him.

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00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 4: He also told prison doctors that he realized.

1126
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 1: He said he realized that there were about fifty or

1127
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:23,840
Speaker 1: sixty people carried on the plane, but the number of

1128
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 1: people to be killed made no difference to me, it

1129
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 1: could have been a thousand.

1130
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:30,360
Speaker 2: When their times come. When their time comes, there's nothing

1131
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 2: they can do about it.

1132
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 1: It's almost like he's God, yeah and their time, when

1133
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:37,760
Speaker 1: really he had just decided.

1134
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he's pretending that that was he was some

1135
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 2: kind of like the arbiter of fate or something, or

1136
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 2: just like, no, dude, you've just yeah.

1137
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 1: The trial resulted in Colorado becoming the first state who

1138
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 1: officially sanction the use of television cameras to broadcast criminal trials.

1139
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 1: No federal statute at the time on the books that

1140
00:51:57,280 --> 00:51:59,360
Speaker 1: made a crime to blow up an airplane because it

1141
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 1: was so fucking knew, and that led directly to federal

1142
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 1: laws criminalizing airline sabotage in the formation of the Federal

1143
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:11,360
Speaker 1: Aviation Administration at the time. Though on the day of

1144
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 1: Jack's confession, they wanted to quickly prosecute Jack. The simplest

1145
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 1: possible way was premeditated murder of a single victim, his mother,

1146
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 1: so none of the other victims they couldn't. They didn't

1147
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 1: try him for those. Despite the number of victims, he's

1148
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 1: charged with only one kund of first degree murder. He

1149
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 1: were canted as confession, but because of all the evidence,

1150
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:38,839
Speaker 1: he was found guilty attempted suicide and on May fifth,

1151
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:43,719
Speaker 1: nineteen fifty six, he was convicted of the death of

1152
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 1: the murder, sentenced to death, executed in the gas chamber

1153
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 1: in January of nineteen fifty seven, and before his execution,

1154
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 1: he said about the bombing, as far as feeling remorse

1155
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 1: for these people, I don't. I can't help it. Everybody

1156
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 1: pays their way and takes such answers. That's just the

1157
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:04,320
Speaker 1: way it goes. And about his mother's murder, he said,

1158
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 1: I wanted her to go. I watched her go off

1159
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 1: for the last time. When she was getting on the plane,

1160
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:12,240
Speaker 1: I felt happier than I'd ever felt before in my life.

1161
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:14,000
Speaker 2: Dude.

1162
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:18,279
Speaker 1: And that's fucking our friend Jack Gilbert Graham in Flight

1163
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 1: six twenty nine.

1164
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 2: I like in those kind of quotes where you can

1165
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:26,720
Speaker 2: really it really almost surmises the insanity of the person,

1166
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:30,760
Speaker 2: where it's like you are totally cut off from empathy.

1167
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:34,280
Speaker 2: You don't give a fuck about anybody, but you're revenge.

1168
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 1: Not even in a way of like you're about to die,

1169
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. Apologize to the family is even if

1170
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 1: you don't fucking mean it, Like you can't even give

1171
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 1: them some kind.

1172
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 2: Of because he doesn't care. He doesn't have a connection

1173
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:49,880
Speaker 2: to care about those families.

1174
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 4: It's always it's impossible for us to understand.

1175
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 2: Well, and also it's but the thing I think it's

1176
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 2: interesting is like family is the source of his insanity

1177
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:02,280
Speaker 2: or his damna. So he doesn't care about those families.

1178
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 2: He never had a family. He's like, fuck your He's

1179
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:06,920
Speaker 2: probably more mad that they had family.

1180
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 1: He's probably thinking that they feel the same way about

1181
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 1: their families as he does about his, because he doesn't

1182
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 1: know what it's like to feel any feelings about your.

1183
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:17,720
Speaker 2: Family, only just negative or shitty or like yeah, shitm crazy.

1184
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 1: Oh and go look him up, go look at his photos. Look,

1185
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:23,240
Speaker 1: he looks like if our friend Matt wrong, Matt Bronger

1186
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 1: was playing a yokel with a widow's peak. Oh like

1187
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 1: Grease Backair. Yeah, our friend comedian Matt Bronger playing a

1188
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 1: role as a yokel.

1189
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:39,799
Speaker 2: Nice. Yeah, well that was good, thank you, thank you.

1190
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 2: It's fun to base them on TV shows. Yeah, a

1191
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 2: lot of very hard work gets done for you. Yeah,

1192
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 2: and it's just a retail dude that they only set

1193
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 2: it up.

1194
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:50,880
Speaker 1: So I knew the opposite stupid thing where I'm like,

1195
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do this hard one, and then it's like

1196
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:54,879
Speaker 1: it's so hard that nobody's ever made a documentary about

1197
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 1: it except for some fucking person who has like they's

1198
00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:00,359
Speaker 1: so you looked on YouTube for your murder and there's

1199
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:03,840
Speaker 1: just these people. And I don't want to insult other people,

1200
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:07,759
Speaker 1: but I am, uh, they make these like story they

1201
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 1: tell the story on video with pictures and things like that,

1202
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:14,240
Speaker 1: but it's a computer voice.

1203
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:17,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, And then the murder when it's.

1204
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:20,719
Speaker 2: So weird, Well, I feel like it might be a

1205
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:23,480
Speaker 2: lot of there's like students. It feels to me like

1206
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:26,240
Speaker 2: students that have to do a presentation for a class

1207
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 2: or something, because there's oftentimes the wording is very odd,

1208
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 2: but it's almost like people are trying to sound news person. Yeah,

1209
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:39,800
Speaker 2: but it's the it's at that point, it's the the

1210
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:44,319
Speaker 2: automated race, which I'm like, just any human.

1211
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 1: Can read the Wikipedia page. It doesn't matter. Someone's gonna

1212
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:48,240
Speaker 1: like your voice.

1213
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:50,640
Speaker 2: Just read it. Maybe they have a weird high voice

1214
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 2: maybe or a strangely low voice.

1215
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 1: Well maybe, I mean I have a fucking lisp and

1216
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:59,839
Speaker 1: a what's it called auto tune? No, what's it called

1217
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:03,040
Speaker 1: when you have like the thing or you.

1218
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:07,160
Speaker 2: Don't an Oh you're from California. Yeah, I have a

1219
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 2: list in an auto tune. Never had a problem with

1220
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 2: the lot of my voice this.

1221
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:12,920
Speaker 4: Entire time was auto tune.

1222
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:16,239
Speaker 2: It would be tough. That would be tough to keep

1223
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 2: it natural. And okay, we're back. Are there updates for

1224
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:23,640
Speaker 2: this story?

1225
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:26,400
Speaker 1: No updates, although we were just talking about how the

1226
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:30,400
Speaker 1: awesome TV show A Crime to Remember did this story,

1227
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:31,319
Speaker 1: So go look that up.

1228
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 3: It was really well done.

1229
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:36,239
Speaker 1: Just so you guys know, the thirty seven thousand, five

1230
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:38,799
Speaker 1: hundred dollars life insurance policy that Jack took out on

1231
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:43,360
Speaker 1: his mother would be worth today four hundred and fifty

1232
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 1: three thousand dollars plus, which is a lot of money.

1233
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 1: And also our episode title came from the story. Karen

1234
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:55,360
Speaker 1: says that selling insurance at the airport opens the door

1235
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 1: to people who shouldn't be buying life insurance policies hither

1236
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 1: and yawn, Yeah, I'd never heard before.

1237
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:04,479
Speaker 2: I don't care. I'm going to go ahead and throw

1238
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 2: some old people talking at any chance I get.

1239
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:09,839
Speaker 3: I love it. Let's go see a picture after this.

1240
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 1: It's a picture, all right, Let's get to Karen's fucking

1241
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:23,120
Speaker 1: story about son of Sam. Okay, yay, now I gotta

1242
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:24,720
Speaker 1: be told a story. I love going first because then

1243
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:26,400
Speaker 1: I get to sit back. I know, not gonna be

1244
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:30,120
Speaker 1: told a story, and you just get to relax. I went,

1245
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:33,280
Speaker 1: I don't know what I was doing. Here's what I

1246
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 1: actually did. Okay, let me hear your process. Would you

1247
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:39,480
Speaker 1: want to go behind the scenes. I do, and just

1248
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:41,960
Speaker 1: go behind the music for a second to do welcome

1249
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:43,720
Speaker 1: pop up video time.

1250
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 2: I wanted to do a supernatural murder, but that's like

1251
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 2: a made up thing it is, essentially, but that's what

1252
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 2: I wanted. I just wanted to be a little bit

1253
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 2: the planet, a little bit, and so I eventually found

1254
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:58,200
Speaker 2: the story of a man named Carl Pruitt who found

1255
00:57:58,240 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 2: and this was like in the thirties. He found his

1256
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:02,480
Speaker 2: wife in bed with another man. He strangles over a

1257
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:06,680
Speaker 2: rusty chain. Then he commits suicide. The family has him

1258
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:09,960
Speaker 2: buried far away. I wrote this whole fucking thing up

1259
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:15,800
Speaker 2: until I found buried far away. Uh and then a

1260
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:19,760
Speaker 2: kid people start noticing that there are rings appearing on

1261
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 2: his gravestone. Rings, rings and concentric rings that are linked

1262
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:29,000
Speaker 2: like a chastic lay like a chain. So a bunch

1263
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:31,560
Speaker 2: of kids are playing in the cemetery and they a

1264
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:35,400
Speaker 2: boy throws a rock at the headstone. Great place to play,

1265
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 2: by the way, Yeah, that's where the good times are.

1266
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:40,520
Speaker 2: He throws a rock at the headstone, chips it. They

1267
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:42,800
Speaker 2: all go to ride their bikes home. He falls off

1268
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:45,280
Speaker 2: his bike and the bike chain wraps around his back

1269
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:47,480
Speaker 2: and strangles him to time. Right, So when the mother

1270
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 2: this is the season two of Stranger Things, the mother

1271
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:55,200
Speaker 2: finds out and here's all the town gossip of it

1272
00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 2: was because he was he desecrated the headstone of the killer,

1273
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 2: of the chain killer. And so she goes down with

1274
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 2: an axe to take the headstone apart. The next day

1275
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:09,800
Speaker 2: she's found hanging in her own clothesline. Oh my goodness.

1276
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:12,640
Speaker 2: So then it basically goes on and on. I'm like,

1277
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:15,480
Speaker 2: this is the best. This is going to be amazing.

1278
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:18,000
Speaker 2: I get to the end of the article and the

1279
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 2: person who wrote the article begins to deconstruct ghost stories

1280
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:25,320
Speaker 2: in America. I know, oh, this is fake, Like Carl

1281
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:28,520
Speaker 2: Prutt never existed, this person never existed. Can't find any

1282
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:31,480
Speaker 2: of these people in any public record. And then I

1283
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:34,480
Speaker 2: had to start over. I was really mad because it

1284
00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:38,040
Speaker 2: was so perfect and yet it was such a creepypasta

1285
00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:41,800
Speaker 2: like oh, and then then these people, every single thing

1286
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 2: was someone strangled with the chain if they tried to

1287
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:46,240
Speaker 2: touch the headstone. Jesus, I don't know how.

1288
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:48,280
Speaker 1: I don't know how you can find a murder that

1289
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:50,440
Speaker 1: gets you out of the murder world.

1290
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:53,240
Speaker 2: Well, no you can't. I'm just I don't even know

1291
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 2: what I'm doing. So then I went all the way

1292
00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 2: in and I'm doing Son of Sam. Oh that was

1293
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:02,200
Speaker 2: not I thought was going to happen. I just fucking

1294
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:03,520
Speaker 2: turn that car around.

1295
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:06,360
Speaker 1: But you know why, you know, I understand it's because

1296
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:09,120
Speaker 1: he doesn't mutilate anyone. That's right where it's almost like

1297
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:13,840
Speaker 1: he listen, murder is murder and it's fucking horrible and awful.

1298
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:16,400
Speaker 1: Instead of Sam as a monster. But when you don't

1299
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 1: have to talk about someone's for us, I don't mean

1300
01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:21,480
Speaker 1: like they're certain murders, but when we don't have to

1301
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:24,600
Speaker 1: talk about women getting their boobs cut off, yes, and

1302
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:29,000
Speaker 1: being raped and savage, which I'm doing right now, it's

1303
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:30,440
Speaker 1: almost like a relief.

1304
01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:33,600
Speaker 2: It is because it still qualifies, and he's very famous

1305
01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:36,200
Speaker 2: and everybody knows who he is, but he did. He

1306
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:39,480
Speaker 2: was on a murder spree in the seventies that was

1307
01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:44,920
Speaker 2: so strangely distant and odd disconnected, just totally disconnected and

1308
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:47,600
Speaker 2: yet very specific. He was like, I don't know if

1309
01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:49,640
Speaker 2: a lot of people know this. I certainly didn't before

1310
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:54,000
Speaker 2: I started reading about it. He only shot women with long,

1311
01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 2: dark hair.

1312
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:55,560
Speaker 4: No, I didn't know that.

1313
01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:58,120
Speaker 2: I didn't either. He's a total fucking ted Bundy in

1314
01:00:58,120 --> 01:01:02,560
Speaker 2: that style. So it's just interesting, like it's it's a

1315
01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:04,400
Speaker 2: it's definitely a thing where you can dip in, but

1316
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:05,720
Speaker 2: you don't have to go into it.

1317
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:09,320
Speaker 1: There's not even a stab which which is there? Let

1318
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:11,480
Speaker 1: me stop you Okay, you know what, Why don't you

1319
01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:15,720
Speaker 1: do your murder? And I'll stop because that's what's interesting.

1320
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:20,160
Speaker 1: So he also was a product of an elicit affair

1321
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:25,280
Speaker 1: and his mother gave him away. Uh right after he

1322
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:26,120
Speaker 1: was born to.

1323
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:30,600
Speaker 2: A couple named Pearl and Nathan Berkowitz who lived in

1324
01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:34,400
Speaker 2: the Bronx, and he was a troubled youth. Neighbors say

1325
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:38,600
Speaker 2: he was a bully. He was he was an asshole,

1326
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:43,280
Speaker 2: he was really spoiled. He was really difficult and uh,

1327
01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:46,840
Speaker 2: he from an early age began engaging in petty larceny

1328
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:55,480
Speaker 2: and arsons arson our. Right, So there's I couldn't find anything.

1329
01:01:55,560 --> 01:01:57,840
Speaker 2: I actually looked it up specifically of like, did something

1330
01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:02,360
Speaker 2: happen to him that he never talked about? But his

1331
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:05,120
Speaker 2: mother died of breast cancer when he was fourteen. That's it, man,

1332
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:09,680
Speaker 2: that's got to be a huge well shock. Then his

1333
01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:13,760
Speaker 2: father remarries. He doesn't like his new stepmother, so in

1334
01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:16,360
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy one, when he's eighteen, he joins the army

1335
01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:19,760
Speaker 2: and he serves for four years. He's given an honorary

1336
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:22,640
Speaker 2: discharge in nineteen seventy four, and while he's serving in

1337
01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:26,160
Speaker 2: the army, he has his first and only sexual encounter

1338
01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:27,520
Speaker 2: with a sex worker.

1339
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:28,040
Speaker 3: Huh.

1340
01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:34,040
Speaker 2: The result of that encounter gave him a venereal disease. Shit,

1341
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:41,200
Speaker 2: and the psychiatrist or whoever say that after that, whoever

1342
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:47,640
Speaker 2: word on the street was that because of that experienced

1343
01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:51,560
Speaker 2: specific experience, he became enraged with women.

1344
01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:55,080
Speaker 1: Which we know can't be true. Like you had that

1345
01:02:55,120 --> 01:03:00,680
Speaker 1: boiling down somewhere ready to burst. It's not like with women.

1346
01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:02,920
Speaker 1: And then you're like, oh shit, crabs.

1347
01:03:02,680 --> 01:03:05,400
Speaker 2: No exactly right, Well, yeah, and that's probably not crabs.

1348
01:03:05,560 --> 01:03:11,480
Speaker 2: I don't know, shit, crabs, women, it's already a problem.

1349
01:03:11,720 --> 01:03:13,600
Speaker 2: He's one of those people that, yeah, if you're a

1350
01:03:13,640 --> 01:03:16,720
Speaker 2: bully that doesn't get along in as an asshole everybody,

1351
01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:20,000
Speaker 2: you're not also a lady killer. That's probably not happening, right.

1352
01:03:21,240 --> 01:03:23,320
Speaker 1: I just love that they can blame it on this

1353
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:26,280
Speaker 1: one like they're blaming it on the woman, right, you.

1354
01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:29,480
Speaker 2: Know what I mean, which is just like of course. Also,

1355
01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:32,000
Speaker 2: when he gets out of the army, he looks up

1356
01:03:32,040 --> 01:03:35,120
Speaker 2: his birth mother, and his birth mother explains how she

1357
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:39,080
Speaker 2: gave him away because he was illegitimate. A forensic anthropologist,

1358
01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:42,560
Speaker 2: Elliot Layton described this as the primary crisis of his life.

1359
01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:45,200
Speaker 2: Finding out that he was an illegitimate child that his

1360
01:03:45,240 --> 01:03:49,920
Speaker 2: father didn't want him shattered his sense of identity. On

1361
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:54,080
Speaker 2: top of that, the old VD no crabs that he

1362
01:03:54,240 --> 01:03:58,800
Speaker 2: started a spate of arson fires in the early seventies.

1363
01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:03,120
Speaker 2: He actually, well, well we can talk about this later,

1364
01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:05,880
Speaker 2: but that was his first crime was arson and he

1365
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:08,240
Speaker 2: would go and light these fires all over the Bronx

1366
01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:13,320
Speaker 2: and and the surrounding area. If only I knew what

1367
01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:17,160
Speaker 2: that what city is that in Manhattan? Uh's no, he

1368
01:04:17,240 --> 01:04:19,920
Speaker 2: kept it over in like in his in the Bronx.

1369
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:22,360
Speaker 1: Eat and burrows other boroughs, other boroughs, and then other

1370
01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:24,240
Speaker 1: he burrows Brooklyn.

1371
01:04:24,520 --> 01:04:26,640
Speaker 4: Let's say, Brooklyn, there's Queens.

1372
01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:28,600
Speaker 2: There's Queens, and Queens comes up quite a bit in

1373
01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:30,560
Speaker 2: this city. Go to Long Island. I don't know. I

1374
01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:33,479
Speaker 2: doubt he would make that drive. Okay, he did become

1375
01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:38,280
Speaker 2: a mailman. So Christmas of nineteen seventy five, he stebs

1376
01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:40,560
Speaker 2: two women with a hunting knight on the streets of

1377
01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:43,560
Speaker 2: New York City. Jesus, but they fight back. This is

1378
01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:47,040
Speaker 2: Christmas Eve night. They fight back and he flee. He

1379
01:04:47,160 --> 01:04:50,400
Speaker 2: flees the scene. They're not killed. Wow, that's his first attempt.

1380
01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:53,439
Speaker 2: And that's when he switches over to a forty four

1381
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:58,120
Speaker 2: caliber bulldog snubnosed shotgun.

1382
01:04:58,040 --> 01:05:00,120
Speaker 4: Noverrekne of a handgun a gun.

1383
01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:02,880
Speaker 2: It's a forty four caliber gun that he uses for

1384
01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:06,120
Speaker 2: the rest of his time. So July twenty ninth, nineteen

1385
01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:09,000
Speaker 2: seventy six, this is in Pelham Bay. The Bronx one

1386
01:05:09,120 --> 01:05:13,040
Speaker 2: ten Am and Donna Lauria who's eighteen and Jody Valenteo's nineteen,

1387
01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:17,800
Speaker 2: are sitting in Jody Valenti's car outside Donna Laurier's apartment

1388
01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:20,280
Speaker 2: and they're talking about the night they just spent at

1389
01:05:20,320 --> 01:05:24,440
Speaker 2: Peach Trees, which was the local disco. Oh, peach Trees. Oh,

1390
01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:26,320
Speaker 2: this is if you see the movie Sounder Sam, the

1391
01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:30,800
Speaker 2: Spike Lee movie starring John Leguizamo. It's actually really hilarious

1392
01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:36,040
Speaker 2: and great because disco exploded like in this period of time,

1393
01:05:36,520 --> 01:05:40,280
Speaker 2: and so you know around New York City people were

1394
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:42,760
Speaker 2: just at discos every night, and that lifestyle was like

1395
01:05:42,760 --> 01:05:44,000
Speaker 2: a big just like it's.

1396
01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:47,320
Speaker 1: Just clubbing, yes, with disco music, it's clubbing with polyester.

1397
01:05:47,720 --> 01:05:50,080
Speaker 1: Oh man, I'm so glad. I hope when we go

1398
01:05:50,120 --> 01:05:51,360
Speaker 1: back in time we don't end up there.

1399
01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:53,880
Speaker 2: I mean I can feather my hair.

1400
01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:57,440
Speaker 1: So I feel, okay, it probably be a good disco queen.

1401
01:05:57,640 --> 01:06:01,040
Speaker 2: I might be good, but I don't want I don't

1402
01:06:01,040 --> 01:06:04,280
Speaker 2: want to show my arms, and that's going to be

1403
01:06:04,280 --> 01:06:05,360
Speaker 2: a big problem at the disco.

1404
01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:08,360
Speaker 1: I hate disco music and cocaine. So I feel like

1405
01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:10,400
Speaker 1: i'd just be like in like sitting in the corner

1406
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:11,320
Speaker 1: and being like, can we go?

1407
01:06:11,600 --> 01:06:16,480
Speaker 2: We're such opposites, I know, coming out to a dive bar. Please. Okay.

1408
01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:19,560
Speaker 2: So they were at Peachtrees. They're sitting in the car

1409
01:06:19,600 --> 01:06:22,360
Speaker 2: talking about it. Jody opens the car door to get

1410
01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:24,840
Speaker 2: out to walk up to her house and sees a

1411
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:28,720
Speaker 2: man walking really fast toward the car. That's so scary.

1412
01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:30,120
Speaker 4: Image, it's so scary.

1413
01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:33,200
Speaker 1: A man walking fast towards you is like just punch

1414
01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:35,200
Speaker 1: at one in the morning, one in the morning, right

1415
01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:35,919
Speaker 1: outside your house.

1416
01:06:36,040 --> 01:06:39,760
Speaker 2: Hunch. He pulls a forty four caliber handgun out of

1417
01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:43,200
Speaker 2: the paper bag, kneels down and fires five times into

1418
01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:45,600
Speaker 2: the car. Donald Loria was hit in the neck and

1419
01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:48,880
Speaker 2: killed instantly. Jody V. Lunt, he was hitting the thigh

1420
01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:51,920
Speaker 2: and then she leaned on the horn and the attacker

1421
01:06:52,040 --> 01:06:54,960
Speaker 2: turned and walked quickly away, which is also creepy.

1422
01:06:55,040 --> 01:06:57,360
Speaker 1: Yeah that you don't run because you know not to

1423
01:06:57,480 --> 01:06:58,760
Speaker 1: run because that's suspicious.

1424
01:06:58,840 --> 01:07:01,760
Speaker 2: Yep, you just walk quick away like your business is

1425
01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:04,120
Speaker 2: done here, Okay. So Jodie describes him as a white

1426
01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:06,360
Speaker 2: male in his thirties with a fair complexion, about five

1427
01:07:06,520 --> 01:07:09,480
Speaker 2: nine weigh one hundred and sixty pounds, short, dark curly

1428
01:07:09,520 --> 01:07:11,280
Speaker 2: hair in the quote maud style.

1429
01:07:11,480 --> 01:07:13,400
Speaker 1: Good for her for knowing all that, like remembering all

1430
01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:14,560
Speaker 1: these details.

1431
01:07:14,760 --> 01:07:20,000
Speaker 2: So also, Laura's father also saw him and told the police.

1432
01:07:20,040 --> 01:07:22,840
Speaker 2: A similar looking man was sitting in a yellow compact car.

1433
01:07:23,360 --> 01:07:28,160
Speaker 2: How all night. He had been cruising the area hours

1434
01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:31,480
Speaker 2: before the shooting, and several neighbors actually saw a man

1435
01:07:31,560 --> 01:07:34,760
Speaker 2: in a yellow car cruise in the area. So about

1436
01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:37,920
Speaker 2: three months later, Carl de Naro, who is twenty, and

1437
01:07:38,040 --> 01:07:44,400
Speaker 2: Rosemary Keenan the old Italian Irish Combination fire eighteen, they

1438
01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:48,160
Speaker 2: were talking outside Keenan's house when, according to Keenan, it

1439
01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:53,080
Speaker 2: felt like the car exploded. So what had happened was

1440
01:07:53,120 --> 01:07:58,360
Speaker 2: that car was fired on five times. Naro, Carl de Naro,

1441
01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:01,240
Speaker 2: who was in the driver's seat, put into driving speeds

1442
01:08:01,240 --> 01:08:05,720
Speaker 2: away and only later do they realize he's been shot

1443
01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:06,120
Speaker 2: in the head.

1444
01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:07,080
Speaker 3: Oh my god.

1445
01:08:07,360 --> 01:08:10,240
Speaker 2: He ended up getting he survived. He ended up having

1446
01:08:10,280 --> 01:08:12,720
Speaker 2: to get a plate in his head just to replace

1447
01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:15,960
Speaker 2: the skull, the part of his skull. That was wow.

1448
01:08:18,479 --> 01:08:21,400
Speaker 2: The police did not attack DIY did not link this

1449
01:08:21,520 --> 01:08:24,640
Speaker 2: attack to the Lauria Valenti attack because they were in

1450
01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:27,800
Speaker 2: two different precincts, so they were just separate shootings.

1451
01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:31,479
Speaker 4: Weird, right, crazy, Yeah, but.

1452
01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:33,360
Speaker 2: I mean this was New York in the late seventies,

1453
01:08:33,400 --> 01:08:35,720
Speaker 2: so there was tons of crimes. Yeah, that's true. But

1454
01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:40,320
Speaker 2: Rosemary Keenan's father was a New York city. I can't

1455
01:08:40,320 --> 01:08:43,880
Speaker 2: remember if his detective or a police officer, but basically,

1456
01:08:44,120 --> 01:08:48,120
Speaker 2: once the daughter of one of their own, they turned

1457
01:08:48,200 --> 01:08:53,439
Speaker 2: up the intensity on this specific investigation and she didn't die.

1458
01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:56,639
Speaker 2: She didn't die. Neither of them died, but they could

1459
01:08:56,800 --> 01:08:59,800
Speaker 2: They didn't have that much evidence. There wasn't a lot

1460
01:08:59,840 --> 01:09:03,080
Speaker 2: to go on. So a month later, Donna Demassi and

1461
01:09:03,160 --> 01:09:06,040
Speaker 2: Joanne Lomino had just walked home from a movie theater

1462
01:09:06,120 --> 01:09:08,760
Speaker 2: and they were talking on Joanne's front porch and they

1463
01:09:08,840 --> 01:09:11,840
Speaker 2: see a man in army fatigues approaching them.

1464
01:09:12,240 --> 01:09:14,679
Speaker 4: Well, I guess it's like Vietnam. So it's not that weird.

1465
01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:18,080
Speaker 2: I mean, not really, But here's what's weird. Sort I

1466
01:09:18,120 --> 01:09:22,759
Speaker 2: hate he's asking for directions in a high pitched voice

1467
01:09:24,439 --> 01:09:26,840
Speaker 2: before he finished it, so he starts asking the question.

1468
01:09:26,920 --> 01:09:29,240
Speaker 2: Before he finishes a sentence, he pulls out the gun

1469
01:09:29,240 --> 01:09:32,120
Speaker 2: and shoots both of them. Donna was shot in the

1470
01:09:32,160 --> 01:09:35,920
Speaker 2: neck but recovered. Joanne's hitting a spine and shoes paralyzed.

1471
01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:39,880
Speaker 2: A neighbor claims to have seen a blonde man running

1472
01:09:39,880 --> 01:09:43,920
Speaker 2: away from the scene clutching a gun. Okay, So January thirtieth,

1473
01:09:43,960 --> 01:09:46,920
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy seven, this is at the Forest Hills Long

1474
01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:50,599
Speaker 2: Island Railroad station in Queens at two forty in the morning.

1475
01:09:51,120 --> 01:09:54,479
Speaker 2: Christina Frond and her fiance John Deel had just seen

1476
01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:57,320
Speaker 2: Rocky and they were about to go to a disco.

1477
01:09:57,479 --> 01:09:59,599
Speaker 2: It's at a dance hall in Wikipedia, but I would

1478
01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:04,320
Speaker 2: assume that means a disco. And as they're sitting in

1479
01:10:04,320 --> 01:10:07,479
Speaker 2: the car, three gun shots. Someone shoots into the car

1480
01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:11,160
Speaker 2: three times in a panic. Deal drives away. He suffered

1481
01:10:11,439 --> 01:10:16,439
Speaker 2: minor superficial injuries, but Christina Frond was shot. A friend

1482
01:10:16,840 --> 01:10:20,320
Speaker 2: was shot twice and died several hours later in the hospital.

1483
01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:24,919
Speaker 2: Neither of them saw their attacker. So now the police

1484
01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:28,919
Speaker 2: make their first public acknowledgment that the Front Deal shooting

1485
01:10:29,640 --> 01:10:31,960
Speaker 2: was similar to the other incidents and all of the

1486
01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:35,920
Speaker 2: crimes could be associated because all of the victims had

1487
01:10:35,920 --> 01:10:38,479
Speaker 2: been struck with forty four caliber bullets. The shootings seemed

1488
01:10:38,479 --> 01:10:41,880
Speaker 2: to target young women with long black hair, and the

1489
01:10:42,280 --> 01:10:46,200
Speaker 2: police announced that they were looking for multiple suspects.

1490
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:49,519
Speaker 1: Can you imagine, like, let's say that happen right now

1491
01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:52,519
Speaker 1: in La If that was going on, I wouldn't want

1492
01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:53,280
Speaker 1: to leave the house.

1493
01:10:53,960 --> 01:10:56,280
Speaker 2: Do you know that? Actually it wasn't here, but it

1494
01:10:56,320 --> 01:10:58,920
Speaker 2: was a little while later, after a couple more of

1495
01:10:58,960 --> 01:11:03,840
Speaker 2: these murders, when they when that fact of that it

1496
01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:08,880
Speaker 2: was women with long, dark hair. There was a rush

1497
01:11:08,920 --> 01:11:12,000
Speaker 2: on women getting their hair cut really short, like Dorothy

1498
01:11:12,040 --> 01:11:16,160
Speaker 2: Hamill and died lighter. And that's why that trend. I mean,

1499
01:11:16,240 --> 01:11:19,120
Speaker 2: like that's in New York City. All women got their

1500
01:11:19,120 --> 01:11:21,640
Speaker 2: hair cut and died. And they said that there was

1501
01:11:21,680 --> 01:11:25,400
Speaker 2: a shortage of wigs at beauty supply stores because everyone

1502
01:11:25,560 --> 01:11:28,400
Speaker 2: was just going bat shit, like in one day. Once

1503
01:11:28,439 --> 01:11:30,599
Speaker 2: they made that announcement, everyone got their hair cut. Yeah,

1504
01:11:30,640 --> 01:11:34,559
Speaker 2: I love that idea. Okay. So March eighth, Columbia College

1505
01:11:34,600 --> 01:11:37,000
Speaker 2: is still nineteen seventy seven. At seven thirty in the evening,

1506
01:11:37,960 --> 01:11:45,000
Speaker 2: Virginia vokes shirt vokes cher Richian walks home from her

1507
01:11:45,040 --> 01:11:48,240
Speaker 2: classes at Columbia. A man walks toward her, and when

1508
01:11:48,280 --> 01:11:50,559
Speaker 2: he gets close, he pulls out a gun and fires

1509
01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:54,479
Speaker 2: into her face. She put up her books to protect herself,

1510
01:11:54,479 --> 01:11:58,679
Speaker 2: but she was killed in stilly and moments later a neighbor,

1511
01:11:59,160 --> 01:12:02,200
Speaker 2: one of her neighbors, rounds the corner. He hears the gunshots,

1512
01:12:02,680 --> 01:12:05,640
Speaker 2: and then he nearly collides with the person who he

1513
01:12:05,800 --> 01:12:10,120
Speaker 2: described as a short husky boy. Aged sixteen to eighteen,

1514
01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:13,760
Speaker 2: clean shaven, wearing a sweater and a watchcap, sprinting away

1515
01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:21,799
Speaker 2: from the scene, and other neighbors matching that same description

1516
01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:26,760
Speaker 2: reported a teenager loitering in the area for about an

1517
01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:30,439
Speaker 2: hour before the shooting. In the following days, the media

1518
01:12:30,479 --> 01:12:34,760
Speaker 2: report police claims that this quote chubby teenager was the suspect.

1519
01:12:35,000 --> 01:12:38,479
Speaker 2: There are no direct witnesses to her murder, and she

1520
01:12:38,600 --> 01:12:41,400
Speaker 2: lived about a block away from where Christine Freud and

1521
01:12:41,439 --> 01:12:46,040
Speaker 2: her fiancee John Deal were shot. March tenth, nineteen seventy seven,

1522
01:12:46,160 --> 01:12:49,320
Speaker 2: NYPD holds a press conference stating that the weapon used

1523
01:12:49,439 --> 01:12:57,400
Speaker 2: in Virginia Volkesshirt Cherrians Voscar Richians I think is Voscar

1524
01:12:57,479 --> 01:13:01,400
Speaker 2: Richians murder is also a forty four Bulldog, the same

1525
01:13:01,439 --> 01:13:05,280
Speaker 2: weapon used in all the other shootings. And of course

1526
01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:09,000
Speaker 2: this whole story, the New York Daily News and the

1527
01:13:09,040 --> 01:13:12,600
Speaker 2: Post go crazy on the on the daily it's just constant,

1528
01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:16,960
Speaker 2: constant R page. Fine, what's it called fear mongering? Well

1529
01:13:17,080 --> 01:13:18,760
Speaker 2: you should be frayed. But yeah, yeah, well, I mean

1530
01:13:18,800 --> 01:13:21,800
Speaker 2: they were finally like justified. It also went international. They

1531
01:13:21,800 --> 01:13:25,040
Speaker 2: were naming there's the name in the Wikipedia article. Like

1532
01:13:25,080 --> 01:13:27,760
Speaker 2: all the you know, the Vatican had an article about

1533
01:13:27,800 --> 01:13:32,400
Speaker 2: it in the Vatican newspaper or whatever. So April seventeenth,

1534
01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:36,880
Speaker 2: this is a month later. Basically in the Bronx, it's

1535
01:13:36,920 --> 01:13:41,840
Speaker 2: three am and Valentina Suriani, who's eighteen, and Alexander Esau

1536
01:13:42,160 --> 01:13:46,439
Speaker 2: who's twenty, are sitting in Valentina's car, kissing and each

1537
01:13:46,479 --> 01:13:49,880
Speaker 2: one is shot twice. Soriani died instantly, Esau died a

1538
01:13:49,920 --> 01:13:52,800
Speaker 2: few a few hours later in the hospital. And it's

1539
01:13:52,760 --> 01:13:55,519
Speaker 2: says again it's a forty four and they were only

1540
01:13:55,560 --> 01:13:58,639
Speaker 2: parked a few blocks away from the Lauria Valenti shooting.

1541
01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:03,320
Speaker 2: So then at the crime scene they find a handwritten

1542
01:14:03,400 --> 01:14:08,040
Speaker 2: letter and it's from the killer and it's addressed to

1543
01:14:08,040 --> 01:14:14,040
Speaker 2: police Captain Joseph Barelli. And this is where the name

1544
01:14:14,160 --> 01:14:17,760
Speaker 2: son of Sam comes from. Is this letter? Okay? So

1545
01:14:19,280 --> 01:14:21,679
Speaker 2: basically it reads I'll do I'm just going to do pieces.

1546
01:14:21,720 --> 01:14:24,200
Speaker 2: Because it's really long. It starts out, I am deeply

1547
01:14:24,320 --> 01:14:26,680
Speaker 2: hurt by you're calling me a woman hater. I am not,

1548
01:14:27,320 --> 01:14:29,920
Speaker 2: but I am a monster. I am the son of Sam.

1549
01:14:30,280 --> 01:14:33,639
Speaker 2: I am a little brat when father, When father Sam

1550
01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:38,000
Speaker 2: gets drunk, he gets mean, he beats his family. Sometimes

1551
01:14:38,040 --> 01:14:39,799
Speaker 2: he ties me up to the back of the house.

1552
01:14:40,200 --> 01:14:42,800
Speaker 2: Other times he locks me in the garage. Sam loves

1553
01:14:42,840 --> 01:14:46,920
Speaker 2: to drink blood, go out and kill commands father Sam

1554
01:14:46,960 --> 01:14:50,559
Speaker 2: behind our house some rest. I don't know this at all.

1555
01:14:51,120 --> 01:14:56,160
Speaker 2: It's just fucking crazy nonsers. Yeah, but it ends like this.

1556
01:14:57,400 --> 01:15:00,400
Speaker 2: I want to make love to the world. I love people.

1557
01:15:00,720 --> 01:15:06,400
Speaker 2: I don't belong on earth. Return me to yahoos to

1558
01:15:06,479 --> 01:15:09,240
Speaker 2: the people of Queen's. I love you, and I want

1559
01:15:09,280 --> 01:15:11,960
Speaker 2: to wish all of you a happy Easter the ship.

1560
01:15:12,240 --> 01:15:14,719
Speaker 2: May God bless you in this life and then the next.

1561
01:15:14,880 --> 01:15:17,719
Speaker 2: And for now I say goodbye and good night. Police.

1562
01:15:17,880 --> 01:15:20,200
Speaker 2: Let me haunt you with these words. I'll be back.

1563
01:15:20,360 --> 01:15:23,679
Speaker 2: I'll be back to be interrupt to be interpreted as

1564
01:15:24,240 --> 01:15:29,160
Speaker 2: bang bang bang bank bang uh yours and murder mister monster.

1565
01:15:30,680 --> 01:15:35,479
Speaker 2: So I am that is I can't even Yeah, it's nuts.

1566
01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:40,439
Speaker 1: That was like even scarier to them that were like, oh,

1567
01:15:40,479 --> 01:15:43,920
Speaker 1: we're not This isn't a calculated person. This is a

1568
01:15:43,960 --> 01:15:46,320
Speaker 1: fucking lunatic. How are we going to track down a

1569
01:15:46,360 --> 01:15:48,040
Speaker 1: lunatic because you can't use logic?

1570
01:15:48,240 --> 01:15:52,880
Speaker 2: That's right. Also, yeah, that that wasn't nailed. It was

1571
01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:55,160
Speaker 2: left at the murder scene. So it's somebody that kills

1572
01:15:55,200 --> 01:15:57,040
Speaker 2: people and then drops something intentionally.

1573
01:15:57,120 --> 01:16:02,120
Speaker 1: Totally all of it is he's them, Yeah, Jesus.

1574
01:16:02,400 --> 01:16:07,640
Speaker 2: So several psychiatrists are consulted and there's a psychological profile

1575
01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:11,000
Speaker 2: drawn up based on this letter, and he's described as neurotic,

1576
01:16:11,320 --> 01:16:15,080
Speaker 2: probably suffering from paranoid schizophrenia, who believes himself to be

1577
01:16:15,439 --> 01:16:19,880
Speaker 2: the victim of demonic possession. So May thirtieth, nineteen seventy seven.

1578
01:16:21,120 --> 01:16:24,839
Speaker 2: So at that time, the Daily News had a columnist,

1579
01:16:25,200 --> 01:16:28,240
Speaker 2: very famous man named Jimmy Breslin, who was like super

1580
01:16:28,240 --> 01:16:30,120
Speaker 2: famous in New York. A lot of people out not

1581
01:16:30,160 --> 01:16:32,880
Speaker 2: that many people outside know him, but he was like

1582
01:16:33,120 --> 01:16:35,640
Speaker 2: he was like one of those like tough, you know

1583
01:16:35,760 --> 01:16:38,360
Speaker 2: reporters of New York that I was, you know, hard

1584
01:16:38,360 --> 01:16:41,240
Speaker 2: boiled he was. I would call him hard boiled. Yeah,

1585
01:16:41,280 --> 01:16:43,120
Speaker 2: oh way, someone to call me hard boiled one day.

1586
01:16:43,560 --> 01:16:48,000
Speaker 2: They will, they will. So the Son of Sam sends

1587
01:16:48,120 --> 01:16:52,120
Speaker 2: Jimmy Breslin a letter, oh shit, And on the back

1588
01:16:52,840 --> 01:16:56,080
Speaker 2: of the envelope he wrote the phrases blood and family,

1589
01:16:56,600 --> 01:17:02,000
Speaker 2: darkness and death, absolute depravity, and just forty four with

1590
01:17:02,080 --> 01:17:03,639
Speaker 2: a dot in front of him, So like forty four

1591
01:17:03,640 --> 01:17:06,400
Speaker 2: caliber and then I'll just read you how it starts,

1592
01:17:06,400 --> 01:17:09,080
Speaker 2: because it's just more blather. But it starts. Hello from

1593
01:17:09,120 --> 01:17:12,519
Speaker 2: the gutters of NYC, which are filled with dog manure, vomit,

1594
01:17:12,840 --> 01:17:15,760
Speaker 2: stale wine, urine, and blood. I'm gonna say wrong. I

1595
01:17:15,920 --> 01:17:19,240
Speaker 2: know he's fucking dead on It's summertime, so he's probably

1596
01:17:19,360 --> 01:17:23,320
Speaker 2: very frustrated. Hello from the sewers of NYC, which swallow

1597
01:17:23,439 --> 01:17:26,920
Speaker 2: up these delicacies when they are washed away Jesus by

1598
01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:29,639
Speaker 2: the sweeper trucks. Hello from the cracks and the sidewalks

1599
01:17:29,680 --> 01:17:32,360
Speaker 2: of NYC, And from all the ants that dwell in

1600
01:17:32,400 --> 01:17:34,600
Speaker 2: these cracks and feed in the dried blood of the

1601
01:17:34,680 --> 01:17:37,200
Speaker 2: dead that is settled settled into these cracks.

1602
01:17:37,200 --> 01:17:39,240
Speaker 4: This is poetry, is it?

1603
01:17:39,800 --> 01:17:42,200
Speaker 2: JB. I'm just dropping you a line to let you

1604
01:17:42,240 --> 01:17:44,320
Speaker 2: know that I appreciate your interest in those recent and

1605
01:17:44,360 --> 01:17:47,519
Speaker 2: horrendous forty four caliber killings. I also want to tell

1606
01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:49,639
Speaker 2: you that I read your column daily and I find

1607
01:17:49,680 --> 01:17:52,559
Speaker 2: it quite informative. Tell me, Jim, what will you have

1608
01:17:52,720 --> 01:17:57,880
Speaker 2: for July twenty nine? Mm hmm? See this one? He

1609
01:17:57,960 --> 01:18:01,960
Speaker 2: seems smart right, almost as if he might be putting

1610
01:18:02,000 --> 01:18:07,760
Speaker 2: on an ask sure of some kind. Okay, so the

1611
01:18:07,840 --> 01:18:11,200
Speaker 2: daily News publishes this letter a week after they get

1612
01:18:11,240 --> 01:18:15,800
Speaker 2: it with the column from Jimmy Breslin urging the killer

1613
01:18:15,840 --> 01:18:20,320
Speaker 2: to surrender himself. And this article made that day's paper

1614
01:18:20,479 --> 01:18:23,680
Speaker 2: the highest selling edition of the Daily News ever. They

1615
01:18:23,720 --> 01:18:29,120
Speaker 2: sold more than one point one million. Wow. Uh oh.

1616
01:18:29,160 --> 01:18:33,200
Speaker 2: And it's after that that with Jimmy Breslam's column, this

1617
01:18:33,240 --> 01:18:35,360
Speaker 2: is when all the women get their haircut, which I just.

1618
01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:38,519
Speaker 1: That's in the movie too. Yeah, and it's hilarious. I

1619
01:18:38,560 --> 01:18:40,120
Speaker 1: saw it when it came out. I don't remember it.

1620
01:18:40,479 --> 01:18:42,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good movie. I liked it.

1621
01:18:42,320 --> 01:18:44,120
Speaker 1: I just remember that from Ted Bundy too, Like, didn't

1622
01:18:44,120 --> 01:18:46,559
Speaker 1: a bunch of girls? Yes, who had the same haircut?

1623
01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:50,360
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, change that fucking shit. Hey highlights everybody? Yeah,

1624
01:18:50,400 --> 01:18:51,880
Speaker 1: how about a high highlight, Bob?

1625
01:18:52,040 --> 01:18:55,559
Speaker 2: Yeah right. I also love Son of Summer of Sam

1626
01:18:55,640 --> 01:19:00,439
Speaker 2: the movie because it's it's almost entirely focused on disco. Yeah.

1627
01:19:00,479 --> 01:19:03,280
Speaker 2: The murders almost seem like an after The murders.

1628
01:19:03,000 --> 01:19:06,920
Speaker 1: Almost seem like they're powering disco, you know what I mean?

1629
01:19:07,479 --> 01:19:11,160
Speaker 1: Like disco is a response to the murders.

1630
01:19:10,680 --> 01:19:16,679
Speaker 2: That's right, or disco is because the murders are creating disco.

1631
01:19:16,840 --> 01:19:20,439
Speaker 4: Listen, John like Wizamo, is that just the dream?

1632
01:19:20,760 --> 01:19:26,040
Speaker 2: Listen, did you want to finish that? Look? Okay, look,

1633
01:19:26,320 --> 01:19:32,639
Speaker 2: oh no, that's it. I interrupted you to then say nothing. Okay.

1634
01:19:32,640 --> 01:19:35,559
Speaker 2: So now we're in July June twenty sixth, nineteen seventy seven.

1635
01:19:35,640 --> 01:19:40,960
Speaker 2: This is Bayside, Queens. So yeah, it's like for people

1636
01:19:41,080 --> 01:19:44,360
Speaker 2: I am from California. So when we talk about all

1637
01:19:44,439 --> 01:19:47,679
Speaker 2: these different parts of all these different boroughs in New York,

1638
01:19:48,320 --> 01:19:51,240
Speaker 2: Queens is a borough. Basize is a part of Queen's okay,

1639
01:19:51,320 --> 01:19:54,640
Speaker 2: right right? I mean the Bronx is a borough. And

1640
01:19:54,640 --> 01:19:55,920
Speaker 2: then the part of the Bronx that I.

1641
01:19:55,880 --> 01:19:58,560
Speaker 1: Was talking before, the Forest Hills, Long Island, like the

1642
01:19:58,640 --> 01:20:00,600
Speaker 1: Upper east Side is part of my Manhattan.

1643
01:20:00,840 --> 01:20:04,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's own neighborhood. Right yeah, Manhattan's a burrow. And

1644
01:20:04,479 --> 01:20:06,439
Speaker 2: then the Upper Eastside part of that Brook.

1645
01:20:06,280 --> 01:20:09,200
Speaker 1: Williamsburg is like, let's go on for an hour and

1646
01:20:09,200 --> 01:20:10,280
Speaker 1: they neighborhood.

1647
01:20:10,320 --> 01:20:13,040
Speaker 2: I'm going to say the wrong thing for sure here

1648
01:20:13,360 --> 01:20:15,040
Speaker 2: and all it can picture the people I know who

1649
01:20:15,080 --> 01:20:17,760
Speaker 2: live in New York being very mad at me. Well,

1650
01:20:17,920 --> 01:20:20,519
Speaker 2: do I think they're better than us? Also, maybe I'm

1651
01:20:20,520 --> 01:20:22,120
Speaker 2: doing it for attention. Maybe I want you to be

1652
01:20:22,200 --> 01:20:26,120
Speaker 2: mad at me maybe I like it all right. The

1653
01:20:26,120 --> 01:20:29,080
Speaker 2: morning of June twenty sixth, nineteen seventy seven, it's three am,

1654
01:20:29,600 --> 01:20:33,880
Speaker 2: Judy Placido and sal Lupo, which that I think Salopo

1655
01:20:33,960 --> 01:20:36,679
Speaker 2: might have been the main character in Summer of Sam. Oh,

1656
01:20:37,040 --> 01:20:39,640
Speaker 2: it just sounds familiar to Okay, but I could be

1657
01:20:39,680 --> 01:20:40,160
Speaker 2: making it up.

1658
01:20:40,160 --> 01:20:43,280
Speaker 1: No, I trust you on name recognition. This is where

1659
01:20:43,280 --> 01:20:45,160
Speaker 1: that all falls brock. Yeah, okay.

1660
01:20:45,360 --> 01:20:49,000
Speaker 2: They have just left the Elephis Disco and they're sitting

1661
01:20:49,040 --> 01:20:53,519
Speaker 2: in the car and the cars hit by three three

1662
01:20:53,600 --> 01:20:59,679
Speaker 2: gun gunshop blasts. So Salalupo is wounded in the right forearm,

1663
01:21:00,439 --> 01:21:03,080
Speaker 2: Judy Placido is shot in the right temple, in the

1664
01:21:03,120 --> 01:21:05,960
Speaker 2: shoulder and in the back of the neck. They both survive,

1665
01:21:07,280 --> 01:21:10,280
Speaker 2: which is incredible, these people who are surviving these.

1666
01:21:10,640 --> 01:21:15,920
Speaker 1: Mortal up close gun blasts. Yeah, it's just bananas. It's crazy.

1667
01:21:16,120 --> 01:21:20,360
Speaker 2: So sal Lupo tells the police they had just been

1668
01:21:20,439 --> 01:21:24,679
Speaker 2: discussing the case of Son of Sam right before the

1669
01:21:24,720 --> 01:21:30,280
Speaker 2: gunshots hit. Okay, So about a month later, it's July

1670
01:21:30,360 --> 01:21:33,960
Speaker 2: thirty first, nineteen seventy seven. Stacey Moskowitz, who doesn't know

1671
01:21:34,000 --> 01:21:36,840
Speaker 2: skit Stacey Moskowitz, And I mean like the second I

1672
01:21:36,880 --> 01:21:38,400
Speaker 2: read that name, I was like, I went to Junior

1673
01:21:38,439 --> 01:21:43,200
Speaker 2: highwaver So Stacey and her boyfriend Bobby Violante are taking

1674
01:21:43,240 --> 01:21:46,120
Speaker 2: a walk in the park late at night, very brave,

1675
01:21:46,560 --> 01:21:48,880
Speaker 2: but they go back to their car when they see

1676
01:21:48,920 --> 01:21:51,519
Speaker 2: a man watching them. Oh no. But then when they

1677
01:21:51,520 --> 01:21:54,000
Speaker 2: get back into the car, they were so into each

1678
01:21:54,040 --> 01:21:55,960
Speaker 2: other that they start making out, so they don't leave

1679
01:21:56,040 --> 01:21:59,519
Speaker 2: right away. They're kissing in the car when they're hit

1680
01:21:59,560 --> 01:22:03,040
Speaker 2: by bullet. Stacey Moskowitz was shot once in the head.

1681
01:22:03,400 --> 01:22:07,280
Speaker 2: Bobby Violante had been shot twice in the face. Stacy

1682
01:22:07,400 --> 01:22:11,160
Speaker 2: was killed, while Bobby Violante would survive, but he lost

1683
01:22:11,240 --> 01:22:13,880
Speaker 2: most of his vision, but he survived from being shot

1684
01:22:13,880 --> 01:22:14,519
Speaker 2: in the head.

1685
01:22:15,040 --> 01:22:19,640
Speaker 4: So these people in the fucking burrows have some survivability.

1686
01:22:19,680 --> 01:22:23,080
Speaker 2: It's for real. I mean, it's the New York City, baby, yeah,

1687
01:22:23,560 --> 01:22:26,360
Speaker 2: uh okay. So this is the shooting that brings out

1688
01:22:26,400 --> 01:22:29,240
Speaker 2: the most witnesses of any of the other Son of

1689
01:22:29,280 --> 01:22:33,840
Speaker 2: Sam murders. There was actually a direct eyewitness. So during

1690
01:22:33,880 --> 01:22:37,160
Speaker 2: the shooting, nineteen year old Tommy Zeno was parked three

1691
01:22:37,200 --> 01:22:41,679
Speaker 2: cars down or three cars in front of Bobby Violante's vehicle,

1692
01:22:42,240 --> 01:22:45,920
Speaker 2: and moments before the shooting Zano caught peripheral glimpse of

1693
01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:48,760
Speaker 2: the shooter's approach and then happened to glance in his

1694
01:22:48,840 --> 01:22:51,759
Speaker 2: rear view mirror just in time to see the actual shooting.

1695
01:22:51,760 --> 01:22:54,799
Speaker 2: Oh my god. He clearly saw the perpetrator for several

1696
01:22:54,840 --> 01:22:57,080
Speaker 2: seconds due to a bright street light in the full moon,

1697
01:22:57,520 --> 01:23:00,240
Speaker 2: and later described him as being twenty five to thirty

1698
01:23:00,320 --> 01:23:03,160
Speaker 2: years old, five foot seven to five foot nine inches,

1699
01:23:03,200 --> 01:23:07,200
Speaker 2: with shaggy hair that was dark blonde or light brown.

1700
01:23:07,520 --> 01:23:10,000
Speaker 2: But he said that the shooter's hair looked like a wig.

1701
01:23:11,120 --> 01:23:12,920
Speaker 2: So about a minute after the shooting, a woman in

1702
01:23:12,960 --> 01:23:15,200
Speaker 2: her boyfriend's car on the other side of the park

1703
01:23:15,560 --> 01:23:19,280
Speaker 2: saw a white male wearing a light colored sheep nylon

1704
01:23:19,360 --> 01:23:22,000
Speaker 2: wig sprinting out of the park and get into a

1705
01:23:22,120 --> 01:23:25,280
Speaker 2: small and he got into a small, light colored car

1706
01:23:25,320 --> 01:23:28,640
Speaker 2: that drove away, and she said he looked just like

1707
01:23:28,680 --> 01:23:32,080
Speaker 2: he just robbed a bank. And she also got part

1708
01:23:32,120 --> 01:23:37,200
Speaker 2: of his license wow four gur or four GVR. There

1709
01:23:37,200 --> 01:23:39,720
Speaker 2: were other witnesses, one including a woman who saw light

1710
01:23:39,760 --> 01:23:42,920
Speaker 2: cars speed away from the park twenty seconds after the gunshots,

1711
01:23:43,439 --> 01:23:46,280
Speaker 2: and at least two witnesses who described a yellow Volkswagen

1712
01:23:46,360 --> 01:23:51,639
Speaker 2: driving quickly from the neighborhood with its lights off. One

1713
01:23:51,680 --> 01:23:55,960
Speaker 2: of a neighborhood residents. Here's the gunshots. Here's Bobby Violante's

1714
01:23:56,000 --> 01:23:58,679
Speaker 2: calls for help. Glances out her apartment window to see

1715
01:23:58,720 --> 01:24:02,000
Speaker 2: a man walking casually away from the crime scene while

1716
01:24:02,080 --> 01:24:05,160
Speaker 2: everyone else was running toward the sounds of the screaming.

1717
01:24:05,760 --> 01:24:07,880
Speaker 2: And I'm I'm so excited right now. This is like

1718
01:24:08,600 --> 01:24:14,120
Speaker 2: so tense. Yes, and multiple other residents. So this he

1719
01:24:14,240 --> 01:24:17,040
Speaker 2: was seen by tons of people. That night, they witnessed

1720
01:24:17,040 --> 01:24:20,120
Speaker 2: a scruffy looking man with dark stringing hair and stubble

1721
01:24:20,240 --> 01:24:24,160
Speaker 2: driving a small yellow car recklessly away from the scene.

1722
01:24:24,240 --> 01:24:27,000
Speaker 2: He almost crashed into a car he ran a red light,

1723
01:24:27,439 --> 01:24:30,000
Speaker 2: almost crashed into the guy. The guy started following him

1724
01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:32,559
Speaker 2: because he was so pissed that the guy almost killed him,

1725
01:24:32,960 --> 01:24:36,439
Speaker 2: but he he could only he only followed him so far,

1726
01:24:36,479 --> 01:24:39,479
Speaker 2: and then he lost him. And then later he found

1727
01:24:39,520 --> 01:24:44,760
Speaker 2: that it was son of Sam Okay. So on the

1728
01:24:44,800 --> 01:24:48,720
Speaker 2: same night, local resident Cecilia Davis is walking her dog.

1729
01:24:48,840 --> 01:24:51,160
Speaker 2: This is this is like the woman that brings it

1730
01:24:51,200 --> 01:24:54,000
Speaker 2: all together, which I love. Cecilia, She's walking her dog

1731
01:24:55,280 --> 01:24:59,400
Speaker 2: at the scene of the Mosquwitz Violante shooting. So she

1732
01:24:59,520 --> 01:25:04,559
Speaker 2: sees patrol officer Michael Katano ticket a car, a yellow

1733
01:25:04,560 --> 01:25:07,880
Speaker 2: car by a fire hydrant, and then moments after that

1734
01:25:08,280 --> 01:25:12,120
Speaker 2: cop left, a young man walks past her and studies

1735
01:25:12,160 --> 01:25:15,679
Speaker 2: her with some interest, and she feels concerned because he's

1736
01:25:15,720 --> 01:25:20,120
Speaker 2: got a dark object in his hand, so she said

1737
01:25:20,120 --> 01:25:22,160
Speaker 2: he was wielding a dark object. She doesn't know what

1738
01:25:22,200 --> 01:25:24,880
Speaker 2: it is. She just runs home, only to hear shots

1739
01:25:24,920 --> 01:25:30,280
Speaker 2: fired moments later, so she calls the police. She doesn't

1740
01:25:30,320 --> 01:25:32,640
Speaker 2: say anything for four days, and then she calls the

1741
01:25:32,680 --> 01:25:37,160
Speaker 2: police and they start checking every car that got ticketed

1742
01:25:37,200 --> 01:25:40,400
Speaker 2: that night in that area. Fucking chances man.

1743
01:25:40,520 --> 01:25:42,679
Speaker 1: And not only did they ticket it, but someone saw

1744
01:25:42,720 --> 01:25:45,200
Speaker 1: it happen, yep, and then knew about the murders.

1745
01:25:45,240 --> 01:25:49,280
Speaker 2: And someone saw what she saw happen was a guy

1746
01:25:49,360 --> 01:25:52,439
Speaker 2: that gave her weird vibe totally, and then she put

1747
01:25:52,640 --> 01:25:54,680
Speaker 2: all of it together where it's like, yeah, you got

1748
01:25:54,720 --> 01:25:57,880
Speaker 2: away from the man that was endangering you, then you

1749
01:25:58,120 --> 01:26:01,040
Speaker 2: stayed with it. We missed something and then reported it

1750
01:26:01,120 --> 01:26:05,280
Speaker 2: to love it. Way to go to Cecilia and her

1751
01:26:05,320 --> 01:26:11,880
Speaker 2: dog Marty. Most of the dog Marty.

1752
01:26:12,439 --> 01:26:14,200
Speaker 4: I'm so excited that that was actually the dogs.

1753
01:26:16,280 --> 01:26:19,439
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, sorry to death. Okay, so the next

1754
01:26:19,520 --> 01:26:24,400
Speaker 2: day police investigate. They go and they checker Berkowitz's carcase

1755
01:26:24,720 --> 01:26:27,120
Speaker 2: it's one of the sea that got ticketed that night,

1756
01:26:27,800 --> 01:26:31,000
Speaker 2: and they see it's parked outside his apartment building building

1757
01:26:31,240 --> 01:26:34,439
Speaker 2: at thirty five Pine Street in Yonkers, and they see

1758
01:26:34,439 --> 01:26:39,080
Speaker 2: there's a rifle in the backseat. What huh, how'd your rifle? Yeah? Right,

1759
01:26:39,160 --> 01:26:42,439
Speaker 2: So they search the car. They're like, that's probable cause.

1760
01:26:42,479 --> 01:26:44,160
Speaker 2: They search the car and they find a Duffel bag

1761
01:26:44,200 --> 01:26:47,280
Speaker 2: filled with ammunition, maps of the crime scenes, a threatening

1762
01:26:47,360 --> 01:26:51,439
Speaker 2: letter addressed to Inspector Timothy Dowd of the Omega Task Force,

1763
01:26:52,560 --> 01:26:55,840
Speaker 2: so they know they probably have their man together. They

1764
01:26:56,680 --> 01:26:58,960
Speaker 2: put in a request for a search warrant, but they

1765
01:26:59,040 --> 01:27:03,240
Speaker 2: know they they're very concerned with going into his apartment

1766
01:27:03,640 --> 01:27:06,400
Speaker 2: without having it because they don't want to lose the case.

1767
01:27:06,920 --> 01:27:10,160
Speaker 2: So they stand out. They wait outside David Berkowitz's apartment

1768
01:27:10,240 --> 01:27:15,040
Speaker 2: until ten o'clock at night, and when he comes out

1769
01:27:15,080 --> 01:27:18,080
Speaker 2: and gets into his car, and he had a paper

1770
01:27:18,120 --> 01:27:21,080
Speaker 2: bag with him and that forty four was inside the bar.

1771
01:27:21,240 --> 01:27:23,800
Speaker 2: Oh my god. He gets in the car, sits down,

1772
01:27:24,040 --> 01:27:29,920
Speaker 2: and then Detective John Follo Tico approaches the driver's side

1773
01:27:29,960 --> 01:27:33,400
Speaker 2: and puts the gun right against right next to Berkowitz's temple,

1774
01:27:33,720 --> 01:27:37,439
Speaker 2: and the detective sergeant William Gardella covers from the passenger

1775
01:27:37,560 --> 01:27:40,719
Speaker 2: side with his gun inside the car, and David Burkowitz

1776
01:27:40,760 --> 01:27:43,360
Speaker 2: has taken into castody for the son of Sam murders.

1777
01:27:44,400 --> 01:27:47,559
Speaker 2: They say, it's reported that he was very calm and

1778
01:27:47,800 --> 01:27:52,240
Speaker 2: very serene, almost seemed happy. Wow. So when they search

1779
01:27:52,280 --> 01:27:55,880
Speaker 2: his apartment the next day, Apartment seventy, they find the

1780
01:27:55,920 --> 01:27:59,720
Speaker 2: walls are covered in satanic graffiti. The whole apartment is

1781
01:27:59,720 --> 01:28:02,960
Speaker 2: a complet mass. There's liquor bottles everywhere, And they also

1782
01:28:03,000 --> 01:28:10,000
Speaker 2: find three stenographers notebooks where Berkowitz had meticulously recorded hundreds

1783
01:28:10,040 --> 01:28:13,479
Speaker 2: of arson fires that he had set hundreds. Yes, he

1784
01:28:13,520 --> 01:28:16,040
Speaker 2: had been recording it since he was twenty one. Some

1785
01:28:16,120 --> 01:28:20,080
Speaker 2: sources allege that the number of arson fires he recorded

1786
01:28:20,160 --> 01:28:26,200
Speaker 2: was over fourteen hundred. Yeah. Does he recorded or set well?

1787
01:28:26,240 --> 01:28:29,759
Speaker 2: He wrote them into these notebooks. Yeah, And they believe

1788
01:28:30,120 --> 01:28:33,599
Speaker 2: that they correspond to real fires that happened around Oh

1789
01:28:33,680 --> 01:28:39,240
Speaker 2: my god, the Bronx and Queens and Manhattan, Manhattan, Brooklyn.

1790
01:28:39,479 --> 01:28:42,519
Speaker 2: Don't for certainly, don't forget Long Island is Long Island

1791
01:28:42,520 --> 01:28:47,120
Speaker 2: A Burrow. I think so what about Coney Islands. I

1792
01:28:47,120 --> 01:28:51,080
Speaker 2: think that's a neighborhood. And what about the islands where

1793
01:28:51,120 --> 01:28:52,519
Speaker 2: the statue of Liberty lives?

1794
01:28:52,720 --> 01:28:55,720
Speaker 4: Oh you mean Liberty Island.

1795
01:28:55,840 --> 01:29:00,720
Speaker 2: Freedom Island? All right now, people are legit mad, like

1796
01:29:00,840 --> 01:29:06,120
Speaker 2: even they even they know. He is questioned for half

1797
01:29:06,160 --> 01:29:09,839
Speaker 2: an hour and then immediately cops to everything and explains

1798
01:29:09,840 --> 01:29:14,200
Speaker 2: to the cops in great detail all of the crimes

1799
01:29:14,200 --> 01:29:17,559
Speaker 2: that he perpetrated. And when they ask him why, he says,

1800
01:29:17,960 --> 01:29:22,080
Speaker 2: his neighbor Sam Carr's black lab Harvey was possessed by

1801
01:29:22,080 --> 01:29:25,400
Speaker 2: an ancient demon and Harvey made him do it because

1802
01:29:25,439 --> 01:29:27,679
Speaker 2: he wanted the blood of pretty young girls.

1803
01:29:28,520 --> 01:29:31,680
Speaker 1: What yeah, so wait, okay, so that's why he called

1804
01:29:31,760 --> 01:29:34,720
Speaker 1: himself son of Sam. Is the neighbor's name was Sam.

1805
01:29:34,600 --> 01:29:38,280
Speaker 2: Sam Carr and Sam Carr's dog like it was he was,

1806
01:29:38,760 --> 01:29:42,640
Speaker 2: But I don't get it. So uh But later on,

1807
01:29:42,680 --> 01:29:45,400
Speaker 2: so you know, I've been listening to the audio book

1808
01:29:45,560 --> 01:29:50,040
Speaker 2: of Those Who Fight Monsters, which is the guy from

1809
01:29:50,160 --> 01:29:54,880
Speaker 2: the who basically started the FBI ViCAP all that, John E.

1810
01:29:55,840 --> 01:30:02,479
Speaker 2: Douglas I think his name is, But he interviewed David

1811
01:30:02,520 --> 01:30:06,920
Speaker 2: Berkowitz years later when they were putting together there when

1812
01:30:06,960 --> 01:30:09,639
Speaker 2: they decided they were going to start profiling serial killers

1813
01:30:09,640 --> 01:30:14,400
Speaker 2: so they could get profiles of them. Whatever. But he

1814
01:30:14,640 --> 01:30:17,120
Speaker 2: basically got David Burgerts to admit that all of this

1815
01:30:17,200 --> 01:30:20,839
Speaker 2: shit was fake. The whole thing about the dog talking

1816
01:30:20,880 --> 01:30:24,200
Speaker 2: to him and everything was completely sorry. It was completely

1817
01:30:24,240 --> 01:30:27,559
Speaker 2: made up so that he didn't seem responsible and that

1818
01:30:27,600 --> 01:30:30,200
Speaker 2: he could get off on the insanity plea. And it

1819
01:30:30,280 --> 01:30:33,200
Speaker 2: was purely because he was so angry at women. He

1820
01:30:33,240 --> 01:30:34,679
Speaker 2: had never had success with women.

1821
01:30:35,120 --> 01:30:38,320
Speaker 4: He was an angry man.

1822
01:30:38,439 --> 01:30:41,439
Speaker 2: He was very angry. He was very like a spoiled child.

1823
01:30:41,680 --> 01:30:43,080
Speaker 2: I think it was that thing that he didn't know

1824
01:30:43,120 --> 01:30:46,439
Speaker 2: how to handle. He wasn't it wasn't his faults and

1825
01:30:46,520 --> 01:30:49,639
Speaker 2: didn't get it. Yeah, And so he just wanted everyone

1826
01:30:49,680 --> 01:30:54,800
Speaker 2: to pay for his loneliness and lack of popularity, which seems.

1827
01:30:54,520 --> 01:30:58,080
Speaker 1: Like such a narrative of a lot of spree killers

1828
01:30:58,800 --> 01:31:01,799
Speaker 1: that are just like they feel entitled and they're pissed

1829
01:31:01,840 --> 01:31:04,920
Speaker 1: off that everyone else doesn't know that they should be

1830
01:31:04,920 --> 01:31:05,840
Speaker 1: getting everything they want.

1831
01:31:05,920 --> 01:31:08,559
Speaker 2: It makes me think of that boy in Santa Barbara.

1832
01:31:08,640 --> 01:31:11,800
Speaker 2: They just thinking of that, all those kids in Santa Barbara.

1833
01:31:12,080 --> 01:31:15,320
Speaker 2: It's the exact same thing where everybody else it's not

1834
01:31:15,840 --> 01:31:17,840
Speaker 2: anything that has to do with them. They don't take

1835
01:31:17,840 --> 01:31:21,040
Speaker 2: any personal responsibility. It's everybody else that everyone else has

1836
01:31:21,080 --> 01:31:24,040
Speaker 2: to pay. It's I guess, narcissism, and you know, it's

1837
01:31:24,080 --> 01:31:29,560
Speaker 2: a lot of game. Yeah, fucked up shites. Anyway, he

1838
01:31:30,600 --> 01:31:34,559
Speaker 2: basically he is tried, found guilty on June's twelfth, nineteen

1839
01:31:34,600 --> 01:31:37,640
Speaker 2: seventy eight. He's sentenced to six life terms, totaling a

1840
01:31:37,680 --> 01:31:40,400
Speaker 2: maximum of three hundred and sixty five years in prison.

1841
01:31:40,920 --> 01:31:44,000
Speaker 2: They send him to Attica in nineteen eighty seventy becomes

1842
01:31:44,000 --> 01:31:47,679
Speaker 2: a born again Christian. Good luck with that, and before

1843
01:31:47,720 --> 01:31:49,840
Speaker 2: his first parole hearing in two thousand and two, he

1844
01:31:49,920 --> 01:31:52,000
Speaker 2: sent a letter to the Governor of New York. But

1845
01:31:52,120 --> 01:31:56,360
Speaker 2: he lived there, How did I he was still alive? Sorry,

1846
01:31:56,560 --> 01:31:57,160
Speaker 2: he's still alive.

1847
01:31:57,439 --> 01:31:58,120
Speaker 3: Still alive.

1848
01:31:58,280 --> 01:32:01,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, because he was only in his thirties when he

1849
01:32:01,840 --> 01:32:05,439
Speaker 2: was first put him to death or something. No, it's

1850
01:32:06,080 --> 01:32:07,840
Speaker 2: he admitted to everything, so they didn't give him the

1851
01:32:07,840 --> 01:32:08,479
Speaker 2: det date.

1852
01:32:08,800 --> 01:32:11,439
Speaker 1: Okay, go on, Jesus Christ, just blew my mind. I

1853
01:32:11,479 --> 01:32:12,280
Speaker 1: know it's not crazy.

1854
01:32:12,360 --> 01:32:16,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. He sent a letter to George Pataki, who is

1855
01:32:16,439 --> 01:32:19,479
Speaker 2: the Governor of New York at the time, asking to

1856
01:32:19,560 --> 01:32:23,040
Speaker 2: have his parole hearing canceled. He said, in all honesty,

1857
01:32:23,160 --> 01:32:24,720
Speaker 2: I believe I deserve to be in prison for the

1858
01:32:24,760 --> 01:32:28,200
Speaker 2: rest of my life. I have, with God's help, long ago,

1859
01:32:28,280 --> 01:32:31,520
Speaker 2: come to terms with my situation and I've accepted my punishment.

1860
01:32:31,600 --> 01:32:32,360
Speaker 3: Wow.

1861
01:32:33,040 --> 01:32:35,240
Speaker 2: Then in nineteen ninety three he went into this weird

1862
01:32:35,240 --> 01:32:38,720
Speaker 2: thing where he was claiming to be responsible for Satanic

1863
01:32:38,760 --> 01:32:43,439
Speaker 2: cult killings. I think he may have gotten bored. He

1864
01:32:43,520 --> 01:32:46,559
Speaker 2: was trying to say that he didn't he wasn't the

1865
01:32:46,560 --> 01:32:49,040
Speaker 2: only one responsible for the Son of Sam murders, that

1866
01:32:49,160 --> 01:32:50,920
Speaker 2: there were other people and it was because of this

1867
01:32:51,000 --> 01:32:55,839
Speaker 2: Satanic cult and blah blah blah. And when that story

1868
01:32:55,880 --> 01:33:01,680
Speaker 2: came out, Jimmy Breslin himself made this statement. When they

1869
01:33:01,720 --> 01:33:04,000
Speaker 2: talked to David Berkowitz that night, which is like the

1870
01:33:04,120 --> 01:33:07,320
Speaker 2: night he got arrested, he recalled everything step by step

1871
01:33:07,360 --> 01:33:10,280
Speaker 2: by step. The guy has one thousand percent recall and

1872
01:33:10,320 --> 01:33:12,800
Speaker 2: that's it. He's the guy and there's nothing else to

1873
01:33:12,840 --> 01:33:17,640
Speaker 2: look at for sure. So, Wow, Heavy was your son

1874
01:33:17,680 --> 01:33:21,800
Speaker 2: of skin Hitter Heavy Hitter, which I always avoid because

1875
01:33:21,800 --> 01:33:25,160
Speaker 2: it's so much research, So I know I miss big things.

1876
01:33:25,240 --> 01:33:27,639
Speaker 2: And you know, sorry, Spike Lee, I was.

1877
01:33:27,560 --> 01:33:29,680
Speaker 1: Going to do a heavy hitter this week actually, or

1878
01:33:29,760 --> 01:33:32,040
Speaker 1: like I was gonna I was gonna do a heavy

1879
01:33:32,120 --> 01:33:32,759
Speaker 1: hitter this week.

1880
01:33:33,320 --> 01:33:34,439
Speaker 2: You know the thing where you're like should I get

1881
01:33:34,439 --> 01:33:35,400
Speaker 2: this one or should I do that one?

1882
01:33:35,400 --> 01:33:37,720
Speaker 1: I finished this one out maybe those one yes, And

1883
01:33:37,760 --> 01:33:39,800
Speaker 1: then it was just like, no, Georgia, you need more

1884
01:33:39,840 --> 01:33:44,000
Speaker 1: than sixteen hours before you decide to do a heavy hitter.

1885
01:33:44,160 --> 01:33:46,760
Speaker 2: I mean you really do. And I think my Wikipedia

1886
01:33:46,840 --> 01:33:50,000
Speaker 2: recitation proves that. Yeah, No, that was great. People that

1887
01:33:50,120 --> 01:33:55,000
Speaker 2: shoot from a distant like, there is something very I mean,

1888
01:33:55,080 --> 01:33:58,479
Speaker 2: obviously we're saying this. It's just so lame. It's just

1889
01:33:58,520 --> 01:34:01,840
Speaker 2: so cowardly. Yeah, to like stand from a distance and

1890
01:34:01,880 --> 01:34:03,720
Speaker 2: shoot a person and then just be like I am

1891
01:34:03,760 --> 01:34:04,439
Speaker 2: the son of Sam.

1892
01:34:04,479 --> 01:34:07,160
Speaker 1: It's emotionally detached in a way that you don't expect

1893
01:34:07,200 --> 01:34:11,120
Speaker 1: from most serial killers, right, who were just like in

1894
01:34:11,240 --> 01:34:15,200
Speaker 1: it for the suffering and seeing the suffering of others.

1895
01:34:16,120 --> 01:34:19,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was. He wanted to end lives because it

1896
01:34:19,760 --> 01:34:24,559
Speaker 2: was about his failures as a man. Right, he could

1897
01:34:24,560 --> 01:34:28,000
Speaker 2: have been a mafia hitman. Yeah, he got fucking painted

1898
01:34:28,040 --> 01:34:29,519
Speaker 2: his apartment and got a shit together.

1899
01:34:31,439 --> 01:34:34,679
Speaker 1: It's tough listening to the dogs. Yeah, poor dog was like, dude,

1900
01:34:34,760 --> 01:34:37,320
Speaker 1: I fucking love everyone. Don't bring me into this bitch

1901
01:34:37,400 --> 01:34:38,479
Speaker 1: all I want our treats.

1902
01:34:38,640 --> 01:34:40,599
Speaker 2: I just want them to bring me inside everyone's while

1903
01:34:40,640 --> 01:34:41,320
Speaker 2: that's not working.

1904
01:34:41,360 --> 01:34:42,200
Speaker 3: Why am I in the back?

1905
01:34:42,280 --> 01:34:43,960
Speaker 2: Give me a scratch by in the ear? Everyone's in

1906
01:34:44,000 --> 01:34:47,160
Speaker 2: a blue and then don't bring me into your story.

1907
01:34:47,360 --> 01:34:48,960
Speaker 4: I'm not satanic, I am.

1908
01:34:49,360 --> 01:34:52,639
Speaker 2: I love the idea of being possessed by an ancient demon. Yeah,

1909
01:34:52,880 --> 01:34:53,960
Speaker 2: not a recent demon.

1910
01:34:54,000 --> 01:34:55,840
Speaker 1: I mean the dog maybe was an ancient demon, but

1911
01:34:55,880 --> 01:34:58,719
Speaker 1: it was also like, but I'm past that, I'm born again.

1912
01:34:59,640 --> 01:35:01,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, she'd gotten healthy.

1913
01:35:01,360 --> 01:35:08,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, and we're back Karen any Son of Sam updates.

1914
01:35:08,880 --> 01:35:12,120
Speaker 2: There are a couple So. First of all, David Burkowitz

1915
01:35:12,120 --> 01:35:15,000
Speaker 2: still is serving a life sentence in upstate New York. Then,

1916
01:35:15,000 --> 01:35:17,920
Speaker 2: also in twenty twenty five, Netflix released the three part

1917
01:35:17,960 --> 01:35:21,080
Speaker 2: docuseries Conversations with a Killer, The Son of Sam tapes

1918
01:35:21,720 --> 01:35:24,760
Speaker 2: and that featured interviews with victims, loved ones, researchers, and

1919
01:35:24,880 --> 01:35:27,920
Speaker 2: former law enforcement assigned to the case. There's also a

1920
01:35:27,960 --> 01:35:31,599
Speaker 2: new interview with David Berkowitz where he emphasizes his remorse

1921
01:35:31,680 --> 01:35:34,479
Speaker 2: and he acknowledges that he should have gotten help sooner.

1922
01:35:34,600 --> 01:35:36,320
Speaker 3: Wow. Yeah, I also looked it up.

1923
01:35:36,320 --> 01:35:39,400
Speaker 1: There was a documentary called The Sons of Sam a

1924
01:35:39,439 --> 01:35:43,040
Speaker 1: Descent into Darkness, and Paul Giamatti was a voice in

1925
01:35:43,080 --> 01:35:45,120
Speaker 1: that and it was really good. It talked a lot

1926
01:35:45,200 --> 01:35:49,760
Speaker 1: about like the culty feeling back then and that like

1927
01:35:49,960 --> 01:35:53,120
Speaker 1: the cropsy era, just like how there was just something

1928
01:35:53,200 --> 01:35:56,080
Speaker 1: going on, yeah, like satanic panic wise.

1929
01:35:56,040 --> 01:35:58,639
Speaker 2: Right, that there was kind of like dark things happening

1930
01:35:58,720 --> 01:36:00,960
Speaker 2: and no one could put their finger on it, and

1931
01:36:01,040 --> 01:36:04,320
Speaker 2: so it was like Satan or it's evil or it's that.

1932
01:36:05,000 --> 01:36:08,920
Speaker 2: Now we know it's just Epstein. It was just yes.

1933
01:36:09,080 --> 01:36:11,519
Speaker 1: But also the person who made the documentary thinks there's

1934
01:36:11,520 --> 01:36:13,600
Speaker 1: more than one that David burk Whits didn't do it

1935
01:36:13,600 --> 01:36:15,519
Speaker 1: all by himself, which is who the fuck knows whatever?

1936
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Speaker 3: Okay, I mean very possible.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good one.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's head back to the show where we

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Speaker 1: are going to wrap it up.

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Speaker 2: Well, shit, man, that's that. Man.

1941
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Speaker 4: Should we say one thing that makes us happy?

1942
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Speaker 2: Oh? Good, idea?

1943
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Speaker 1: Is it sleeping all week? Because that's mine? Oh dude,

1944
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Speaker 1: sleeping either has to do something.

1945
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Speaker 2: Oh my new car?

1946
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, can that be mine? This is yes, okay,

1947
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Speaker 1: this is the first new car I've ever had in

1948
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Speaker 1: my life. Nice, it feels so luxurious. Satroya Corolla, which

1949
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Speaker 1: is my first car I ever had, my first hand

1950
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Speaker 1: me down, shitty little car that was just like the

1951
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Speaker 1: most basic you can get at the time. I'm and

1952
01:37:01,560 --> 01:37:04,880
Speaker 1: this one has like fucking a moon roof and a

1953
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Speaker 1: fucking and automatic like your seat moves automatically.

1954
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Speaker 2: I've never had a car shapes it to you as

1955
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Speaker 2: you get in, yeah, or it has like the when

1956
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Speaker 2: you need to move it forward.

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Speaker 1: It's just like you don't have to it, you know,

1958
01:37:16,040 --> 01:37:17,879
Speaker 1: you have to do that while you're driving an accidentally

1959
01:37:17,840 --> 01:37:20,520
Speaker 1: almost hit your face on a steering wheel or crash

1960
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Speaker 1: right or crash.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: It has like it has adult things that I never

1963
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Speaker 1: thought I would ever have in my life. But it's

1964
01:37:27,520 --> 01:37:31,040
Speaker 1: a Toyota, so it wasn't crazy expensive. As a couch warmer,

1965
01:37:31,320 --> 01:37:34,320
Speaker 1: which is like to me, the next level of fucking class.

1966
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Speaker 2: You can have those all the time. You just you

1967
01:37:36,400 --> 01:37:38,680
Speaker 2: don't have to wait to get into your car. What

1968
01:37:38,680 --> 01:37:41,599
Speaker 2: do you mean you can fucking slip something? You can

1969
01:37:41,600 --> 01:37:44,240
Speaker 2: do an icy hot pad right into your underwear.

1970
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Speaker 1: You trying to get me, It's just like it feels,

1971
01:37:51,000 --> 01:37:55,680
Speaker 1: it feels grown up. And I'm like, I didn't think

1972
01:37:55,720 --> 01:37:57,960
Speaker 1: i'd ever care about it something like this, and I'm

1973
01:37:57,960 --> 01:38:00,599
Speaker 1: really just like pleased and greatful.

1974
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Speaker 2: It's great. It's it's nice. It's nice to like be like,

1975
01:38:04,040 --> 01:38:06,000
Speaker 2: oh I earned something, Yeah I earned it.

1976
01:38:06,040 --> 01:38:08,720
Speaker 1: I think I earned it, and I'm really happy about it.

1977
01:38:08,840 --> 01:38:12,800
Speaker 2: Yeah that's good. Yeah, I guess mine would be. So

1978
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Speaker 2: this this is Thursday, So tomorrow night, I am playing

1979
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Speaker 2: a show with my friends the band Sure Sure the

1980
01:38:22,160 --> 01:38:25,000
Speaker 2: satellite in La So if you live in the LA area,

1981
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Speaker 2: Steven and I will be there. These guys are coming.

1982
01:38:27,800 --> 01:38:29,760
Speaker 2: I think I only can only put one name on

1983
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Speaker 2: the guests. I'm coming, Okay, But if you are around

1984
01:38:34,720 --> 01:38:39,040
Speaker 2: and want, I absolutely guarantee that you will love this band.

1985
01:38:39,040 --> 01:38:41,720
Speaker 2: Sure Sure. They are so fucking good they're going to

1986
01:38:41,760 --> 01:38:42,360
Speaker 2: be famous.

1987
01:38:42,760 --> 01:38:44,519
Speaker 1: I just yeah played them for me, and I was

1988
01:38:44,560 --> 01:38:46,479
Speaker 1: like it was one of those things where like this

1989
01:38:46,520 --> 01:38:47,880
Speaker 1: reminds me of a little of this, and it was

1990
01:38:47,920 --> 01:38:49,479
Speaker 1: all like classic bands that you love.

1991
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Speaker 2: Yes, it's really fucking good. Yeah it's not. I told

1992
01:38:52,600 --> 01:38:55,479
Speaker 2: them because we did a show together like four years ago,

1993
01:38:55,960 --> 01:38:58,519
Speaker 2: and it was just because my friend Kevin is in

1994
01:38:58,560 --> 01:38:59,720
Speaker 2: the band, and he was like, do you want to

1995
01:38:59,720 --> 01:39:02,280
Speaker 2: do a sh show with us, and I told him

1996
01:39:02,320 --> 01:39:04,759
Speaker 2: after the show, I was like, I was so scared

1997
01:39:05,040 --> 01:39:07,400
Speaker 2: to see your band, because when do you go see

1998
01:39:07,439 --> 01:39:09,320
Speaker 2: a band and you're like, that was the best thing ever.

1999
01:39:09,479 --> 01:39:10,679
Speaker 2: It's not that often.

2000
01:39:10,800 --> 01:39:13,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's intimidating when you go see not intimidating when

2001
01:39:13,200 --> 01:39:14,519
Speaker 1: you go see a friend who's like, come see me

2002
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Speaker 1: do this thing.

2003
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Speaker 2: You're like, all right, and you're like, oh my god,

2004
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Speaker 2: you're so talented. Yes, it's just so exciting, and people

2005
01:39:21,080 --> 01:39:24,759
Speaker 2: are great and there. Their music is just so listenable.

2006
01:39:24,800 --> 01:39:28,400
Speaker 2: I mean, I've already given the recommendation and you're playing music, right,

2007
01:39:28,439 --> 01:39:30,040
Speaker 2: and I am opening for them. Yeah, So I'm going

2008
01:39:30,080 --> 01:39:32,519
Speaker 2: to do a couple of my old, moldy oldies.

2009
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Speaker 1: You have some you have some like classic songs, and

2010
01:39:36,160 --> 01:39:38,479
Speaker 1: then you have some comedy songs too, right, Yeah, are

2011
01:39:38,479 --> 01:39:38,760
Speaker 1: you going.

2012
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Speaker 2: To do I don't think I have classic songs.

2013
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Speaker 4: You don't do a lot of like well, then you

2014
01:39:42,080 --> 01:39:43,240
Speaker 4: have like sad ones.

2015
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Speaker 2: Songs like like a good Bye Yellow Bick Road.

2016
01:39:46,760 --> 01:39:51,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, just like not not outright comedy.

2017
01:39:51,520 --> 01:39:55,160
Speaker 2: Some of my comedy songs make you sad exactly. Yeah,

2018
01:39:55,160 --> 01:39:57,040
Speaker 2: but I can still hide behind the comedy part. So

2019
01:39:57,120 --> 01:39:59,360
Speaker 2: that's good. Yeah, I'm only going to do a handful.

2020
01:40:00,520 --> 01:40:03,080
Speaker 2: If I was at the show and someone did like

2021
01:40:03,120 --> 01:40:05,920
Speaker 2: if there, I would be like, get off the day.

2022
01:40:05,960 --> 01:40:08,280
Speaker 2: I just want to see this band, please, So I

2023
01:40:08,400 --> 01:40:11,160
Speaker 2: need to see you play. I'm excited to play because

2024
01:40:11,160 --> 01:40:12,720
Speaker 2: I haven't done it in a while. I haven't seen

2025
01:40:12,800 --> 01:40:15,439
Speaker 2: you play since i've known you. Oh yeah, you got it.

2026
01:40:15,760 --> 01:40:18,960
Speaker 2: I did a show, that's right. I did a show

2027
01:40:19,960 --> 01:40:23,240
Speaker 2: when we were in Denver. I got to do for

2028
01:40:23,439 --> 01:40:25,800
Speaker 2: the High Planes Comedy Festival. I got to go do

2029
01:40:25,840 --> 01:40:28,200
Speaker 2: a variety show after our show, which was super fun,

2030
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Speaker 2: and a bunch of people that were at our show

2031
01:40:30,520 --> 01:40:32,960
Speaker 2: came to that show too, and I thought it was

2032
01:40:33,000 --> 01:40:35,040
Speaker 2: going to be kind of shitty because I hadn't played

2033
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Speaker 2: publicly in a really long time, and it was super fun.

2034
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Speaker 2: So I'm super looking forward to it. But more than that,

2035
01:40:41,880 --> 01:40:45,599
Speaker 2: if you like good music, I would recommend being at

2036
01:40:45,600 --> 01:40:49,719
Speaker 2: this show. I think, yeah, I think it's Kinna, I'm excited.

2037
01:40:50,680 --> 01:40:54,000
Speaker 2: I mean, Stephen, how long was that? Steven? Stephen?

2038
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Speaker 3: Fuck?

2039
01:40:56,400 --> 01:40:58,120
Speaker 2: I liked this episode. Yeah that was a good one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, we're back all right.

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Speaker 2: So, as Georgia said, this episode was originally titled Hither

2042
01:41:07,040 --> 01:41:07,400
Speaker 2: and Yon.

2043
01:41:07,560 --> 01:41:10,000
Speaker 1: But here are some possibilities we were naming it today

2044
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Speaker 1: based on the episode.

2045
01:41:11,439 --> 01:41:13,679
Speaker 2: We could call it Cakewalk in the Park from when

2046
01:41:13,760 --> 01:41:17,080
Speaker 2: Georgia talks about writing free stories.

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Speaker 1: I want to use that for something that's like gotta

2048
01:41:20,640 --> 01:41:23,559
Speaker 1: be a book. And then we could also call it

2049
01:41:23,640 --> 01:41:24,920
Speaker 1: clubbing with Polyester.

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Speaker 3: That's right, love it?

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Speaker 1: Hey, all right, you guys, Well, thanks for listening to

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Speaker 1: another episode of Rewine, and let's go back to the

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01:41:31,240 --> 01:41:38,880
Speaker 1: pod loft where we'll say goodbye, thanks for listening. I

2054
01:41:38,880 --> 01:41:43,080
Speaker 1: don't know, I feel like it's a sign off. Yeah, rate, review, subscribe,

2055
01:41:43,120 --> 01:41:44,360
Speaker 1: and it's like, well you've already done that.

2056
01:41:44,439 --> 01:41:46,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, you do that so much. We appreciate that. It's

2057
01:41:46,560 --> 01:41:47,080
Speaker 2: so nice.

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Speaker 4: Thank you guys for listening.

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01:41:48,520 --> 01:41:51,599
Speaker 2: Thank you for being here with us, and stay sexy

2060
01:41:51,640 --> 01:41:55,800
Speaker 2: and don't get murdered. Bye bye. Let us get out

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Speaker 2: of a cap box. Hey, oh the yeah, Elvis one cookie? Okay,

2062
01:42:05,560 --> 01:42:11,200
Speaker 2: my cookie? All right? He's like, what do I do?

2063
01:42:11,439 --> 01:42:13,080
Speaker 1: And I don't know how you keep asking me