1 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:07,280 Speaker 1: Hello Marlins fans, and welcome to this edition of Big 2 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:12,680 Speaker 1: Fish Small Pod for Friday, November twenty fourth, twenty twenty three. 3 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 1: And if you are new to the Small Pod, he 4 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:17,160 Speaker 1: would like to give you all the information about the 5 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: Marlins for that particular day, all season long, in ten 6 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:25,600 Speaker 1: minutes or less. And Marlins fans, I hope you had 7 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 1: a happy Thanksgiving. I am thankful for everyone who listens 8 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:33,519 Speaker 1: to the pod. I am thankful for every single one 9 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 1: of you for the ability for me to continuing these episodes. 10 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: And I hope you guys had a happy Thanksgiving with 11 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:43,840 Speaker 1: your family and loved ones. But I'm gonna go ahead 12 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:48,839 Speaker 1: and continue this free agency target series for the Marlins. 13 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 1: I would also want to thank all of you who 14 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:53,240 Speaker 1: have been listening and supporting. It's been really fun doing 15 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 1: this series. But we aren't finished yet. This episode is 16 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 1: going to be on the starters and the Marlins do 17 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 1: need some start art pitching as they are going through 18 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:06,960 Speaker 1: a myriad of injuries. Sandy is injured, having Tommy John surgery, 19 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 1: Max Meyer is coming off an injury, Trevor Rodgers is 20 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 1: coming off an injury not injured, but Braxton Garrett is 21 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 1: coming off his most innings in his career, so you 22 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 1: may not know what's gonna happen there. Can he continue 23 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 1: his success from last season? Of course, Ury Perez going 24 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 1: to have his most innings looking like this season, and 25 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 1: will he be one hundred percent healthy. So for the Marlins, 26 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 1: they do need another starter, and I'm gonna go ahead 27 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 1: and beget things with Michael Lorenzen. Yes, Michael Lorenzen, who 28 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 1: was traded from the Tigers to the Phillies at the deadline. 29 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 1: A lot of people thought that Michael Lorenzon was a 30 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 1: perfect fit for the Marlins. Not a guy that turned 31 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 1: out go ahead and give you eight to nine seven 32 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 1: innings a start. 33 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 2: He did have that one no hitter. 34 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 1: The three two pitch swung on popped up shallow center field, 35 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 1: Roja Sprint take it, he's under it, he has space. 36 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 2: Face the catch, and Michael Lorenzi. 37 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 1: Has thrown the fourteenth no hitter in Philadelphia Phillies history. 38 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 2: But after that he really tailed off with the Phils. 39 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:15,920 Speaker 1: But going ahead with Michael Lorenson, he didn't have a 40 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 1: really great season. The only thing to maybe be worried 41 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 1: about with him, it was the most innings he's ever 42 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: pitched in his career. His innings pits that season was 43 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:28,920 Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty three and then you look at 44 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 1: his next tires was all the way back in twenty fifteen, 45 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 1: which was just one hundred and thirteen innings. So again 46 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 1: you can really see what he'd be his arm. Is 47 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 1: he having a little bit of dead arm? 48 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 2: What could he have? 49 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:45,800 Speaker 1: But if you really put out Michael Lorenz and stretch 50 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 1: him to be able to have those starts and have 51 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 1: those capabilities go six innings or so for the Marlins, 52 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:55,359 Speaker 1: I think it will be well worth the investment. The 53 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 1: thing with him is the swinging strike rate has gone 54 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 1: down a little bit the last couple of seas, but 55 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 1: he does cut his walks and really topped you know, 56 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 1: I mentioned one hundred and fifty innings for the first 57 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 1: time in his career. But again, you could talk a 58 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 1: little bit about the production towards the end of the season, 59 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 1: could be more towards the workload he had pitching so 60 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 1: many innings. 61 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 2: But. 62 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:18,800 Speaker 1: You look at his numbers, it's more like a four 63 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:20,959 Speaker 1: or five starter. But I think Michael Lorenzo will be 64 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 1: a really nice fit for the Marlins and another player 65 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 1: whi's a little bit more underrated, just because I believe 66 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 1: this was his first time as a full fledged starter 67 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 1: in just. 68 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 2: A couple of years. 69 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 1: And that is Seth Lugo coming from the San Diego Padres. 70 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 1: Seth Lugo three five seven ERA and twenty six starts, 71 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 1: one hundred and forty six innings. So another guy who 72 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 1: has top his innings in his career, another guy who's 73 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 1: been a more so reliever and now starting and reaping 74 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 1: the benefits of it. You look at Seth Lugo was 75 00:03:57,400 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: perfectly intact. You look at his era three five seven, 76 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 1: three eight three fips or relatively. 77 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 2: What he got, what he put out is what he got. 78 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 1: Not really lucky, not really more unlucky, just a little 79 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 1: bit of a skew there, but not as much as 80 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 1: you would see maybe from other pitchers where their FIP 81 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 1: and their ERA are just completely pull their opposite numbers. 82 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 1: But this is a guy again who has history against 83 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 1: the Marlins, being a part of the Mets for his 84 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:21,159 Speaker 1: entirety of his career except for twenty twenty three with 85 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 1: the Padres. But again the Padres saw him more as 86 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 1: a starter. They probably they looked more. They saw Seth 87 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 1: Lugo and saw a guy who could potentially start games 88 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 1: for them, as the last time he really started games 89 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 1: was twenty twenty, but the most innings he's had the 90 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:38,040 Speaker 1: last time he went over one hundred innings was twenty eighteen, 91 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 1: except for twenty twenty three, and you look at just 92 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 1: the way that he had this season. 93 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 2: He had a one point. 94 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:48,479 Speaker 1: Eight war from a guy you don't really expect to 95 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:52,920 Speaker 1: have so many innings and give you that much efficiency. 96 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:55,719 Speaker 2: I think sus Lugo will be a perfect perfect fit. 97 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 1: A guy he could go out there for four or 98 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 1: five starter of not another guy who can give you 99 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:02,599 Speaker 1: high leverage or leaving. A guy you can trust the 100 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 1: baseball and eat innings. This is the guy I think 101 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 1: what might be a perfect new fit for the Marlins. 102 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 2: Not that old. 103 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:11,599 Speaker 1: He'll be going to a thirty four year old thirty 104 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 1: four eight seasons, but again started a little later in 105 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:17,039 Speaker 1: his career. But I think this is the guy you 106 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:19,119 Speaker 1: go out there, you could stretch him to a starter. 107 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 1: I think the Marlins will benefit from him and again 108 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:25,279 Speaker 1: everyone all the other younger starters get healthy. A guy 109 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 1: you can just put there in a long relief role 110 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 1: and a guy you can entrust the baseball in late 111 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:32,279 Speaker 1: game situations. I think theefth Lugo would be just a 112 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 1: really great fit for the Marlins. Again, how much it 113 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:40,159 Speaker 1: would cost for Seth Lugo might be a bit of 114 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:43,839 Speaker 1: a bidding war because I believe other teams might want 115 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:47,720 Speaker 1: his services as his full time starter. But again, all 116 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 1: these guys I've really been mentioning have been more two 117 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 1: to three year deal. Theft Lugo probably again twenty twenty 118 00:05:55,720 --> 00:06:00,479 Speaker 1: five million dollars. But you know, again, he's got older 119 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 1: and his strikeout per nines have just been going down, 120 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:08,280 Speaker 1: it seems like consecutively in his career. But again, Seth 121 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:12,160 Speaker 1: Lugo could potentially be a really great option for the Marlins. 122 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:16,359 Speaker 1: And lastly, a guy you look at his numbers not 123 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 1: great last season. I'm potentially looking more of his numbers 124 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:24,039 Speaker 1: from twenty twenty one twenty twenty two, and that is 125 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:29,360 Speaker 1: Chris Flexen. Chris Flexen met from twenty seventeen to twenty 126 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: nineteen dead pitch in twenty twenty twenty twenty one, was 127 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:36,039 Speaker 1: with Seattle from there to the beginning of twenty twenty 128 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 1: three within a Colorado Rocky finishing op last season, and 129 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:44,679 Speaker 1: this is a guy I think have, You're not gonna 130 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:46,039 Speaker 1: Martins are gonna get him for. 131 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:49,480 Speaker 2: Five million, ten million dollars. 132 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 1: This is a guy that could potentially if no one 133 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 1: else really sees him on their roster and Martins could 134 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:58,279 Speaker 1: potentially give him a minor league deal. 135 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:01,840 Speaker 2: Or if not, a one year, three million at most 136 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 2: type deal. 137 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: For Chris flex And is the guy with seven pitches 138 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 1: and with mel even to see those side pitches. 139 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 2: He might cut that in half. 140 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 1: He might say, all right, we're gonna we're gonna focus 141 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 1: on these four three four pitches so you can excel 142 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 1: at them, rather than have seven pitches and them tailing 143 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 1: off towards the end. I think Chris Flexen, again only 144 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: twenty nine years old, still has a little bit more 145 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 1: time to develop. I'm really looking has twenty twenty one, 146 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 1: twenty twenty two. He started thirty one games in twenty 147 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 1: twenty one, one hundred and seventy nine, close to one 148 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 1: hundred and eighty innings, three six one ERA three eighty 149 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 1: nine FIP. Really good numbers there, one hundred and twenty 150 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 1: five strikeout to forty walks, which is really good looking 151 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 1: at it. Playing in the West Coast really hit her 152 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 1: friendly division there and then twenty twenty two three seven 153 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 1: three era, his FIP was just a bit higher and 154 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 1: just only one hundred and thirty seven innings. But you 155 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 1: look at Chris flex I know stat cast metrics aren't 156 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 1: really the best in terms of his percentile, but again, 157 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 1: that's maybe another reason why the Mormons could get him 158 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: on a minor league deal. And the guy that you 159 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 1: could potentially put out there for a couple innings if 160 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 1: not comes in after the starter. I think Chris Flexen 161 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 1: would be a nice pickup for the Fish. Again, not 162 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 1: in the same realm as the other guys I've mentioned, 163 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 1: but as an under radar signing. But I hope you 164 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 1: all had a fantastic Thanksgiving. Next up, we're gonna behead 165 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 1: and talk about relievers, as all these guys are starters. 166 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 1: For this episode, this has been big Fish smappod As always, 167 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 1: Go Fish.