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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Drive. I'm Dale Lowley. He is beat

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Speaker 1: Matt Williamson and this is a morning show for us

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Speaker 1: here today now kind of rushing around here, and we're

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Speaker 1: The reason we're on this morning is because Omar Calm

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Speaker 1: will speak this afternoon. Of course I'll be writing after

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Speaker 1: Steelers dot com. You guys are quite the puzzle to

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Speaker 1: put together who's going to be on the air where,

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Speaker 1: and who has to be at the podium and who

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Speaker 1: has to be with Omar? And so we did a

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Speaker 1: let's for drive straight up trade basically yes, and uh,

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Speaker 1: they won that, I think they did. You know, they've

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Speaker 1: they've won life. But here we are trying to get

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Speaker 1: signed into the I was a little lake kidding yet

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Speaker 1: a little bit to pull back the curtain here a

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Speaker 2: So I've got a blister on my foot that it

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Speaker 2: might be the most painful blister I've ever had in

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Speaker 2: my li.

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Speaker 1: And let me tell you, I felt bad for him

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Speaker 1: walking to the dinner last night. It seemed like that's

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Speaker 1: when it started to really peak up. Yeah, Yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: when I had taken my shoe off. When we went

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Speaker 1: back to the.

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Speaker 2: Hotel and I was writing my stories and stuff I

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Speaker 2: knew it. I knew there was something wrong and it

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Speaker 2: was hurting. It was it was sore.

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Speaker 1: And then I took my shoe on my sock cof

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Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh my, that was and you know,

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Speaker 1: so I started working on it a little bit, and

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Speaker 1: uh it just made the first today not good, not

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Speaker 1: good at all. Yeah, but uh, I am here. I'll persevere,

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Speaker 1: and I I got some I now have some band

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Speaker 1: age that I could put on it. You were questionable

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Speaker 1: there for a minute, but I was rushing around trying

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Speaker 1: to make sure I'm on the air the next four hours.

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Speaker 1: Oh right, you don't have any down. It takes us

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Speaker 1: through lunchtime, okay. So I also have something to eat

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Speaker 1: here before we can get challenge here, to be very

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Speaker 1: honest with you, no doubt, sandwich here and there over

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Speaker 1: what was going on. Yeah, but in a different environment.

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Speaker 2: Here now, yeah, yeah, living we get we're gonna start

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Speaker 2: having some measurements, all that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 1: They should be coming out here because they did those

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Speaker 1: the smearing books. Yeah, and uh we'll see what the

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Speaker 1: sign Okay, I'm not gonna there we go. Now I

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Speaker 1: can actually know what's there because I don't have any

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Speaker 1: time to look and smart about what's going on other

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Speaker 1: than the fact that Bill, he'll grow my good friend

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Speaker 1: is retiring. Yeah, maybe we should. Thirty years believer, tremendous,

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Speaker 1: umendous for you know, I can't say enough good about Bill.

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Speaker 1: Bill Grot he just uh and Jerry do like And

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Speaker 1: I will have him on in the twelve o'clock hour

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Speaker 1: today do to talk about his retirement after thirty years

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Speaker 1: as the voice of the Voice of the Steelers. And

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Speaker 1: I always I always open him. I said, you're the

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Speaker 1: voice of God. You get on the on the the

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Speaker 1: tram at the airport in your across and there's there's

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Speaker 1: Bill's voice on there, you know. And you know I've

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Speaker 1: gone out with him. You know, we're just walking around

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Speaker 1: everybody recognizes Bill. And if they don't recognize Bill, as.

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Speaker 3: Soon as he speaks, the know, yeah that's that sounds

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Speaker 3: But yeah, just uh, a classy, classy guy.

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Speaker 2: You know, when when you watch him interact with fans

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Speaker 2: on the road, that's when it's he's humble.

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Speaker 1: He's engaging with with everybody. And I've tried to use

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Speaker 1: that as my guideline. I don't get recognized as much

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Speaker 1: miss him on the road. I really am. I mean

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Speaker 1: Pittsburgh legend, like a Stanzabag. Yeah, I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: he he might be on the on Mount Rushmore, Mount

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Speaker 1: Rushmore of Mount Washington Rushmore. I'm fifty years old, and

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Speaker 1: it was pretty much what I remember. Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: for thirty years with the Steelers. It's been even longer

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Speaker 1: as a voice of Pick. It's just you know, it's

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Speaker 1: just I didn't want to text him this morning or

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Speaker 1: But they got news last night that was coming down

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Speaker 2: So you had a little news there when I sat

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Speaker 2: down and you said there was a Yeah.

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Speaker 1: It's it's fair, and I mean it's not official from

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Speaker 1: what I've been gathering. I keep checking my phone here

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Speaker 1: at a little after ten ten am. But like Vegas,

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Speaker 1: odds went crazy. You can't make any money with justin put.

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Speaker 1: It sounds like the sounds like he's going to be

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Speaker 1: a balcony, but the compensation is not what's going on.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, and then between the break and then they

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Speaker 1: and more to what they gave up, I think it

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Speaker 1: makes sense. I mean, I think Atlanta was kind of

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Speaker 1: they've it's an Arthur Smith thing too, but they've pretty

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Speaker 1: much gone three years in a row. Like the least

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Speaker 1: at your quarterback. Actually now field doesn't doesn't fix that,

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Speaker 1: doesn't fix that hard, but at least he's a better

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know that he's a McVay type quarterback.

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Speaker 1: But still it's definitely a playmaker. It's his hometown in

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Speaker 1: the Dome. Speed factor, I think is something that's real

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Speaker 1: and legit playmakers. Yeah, that's a big yeah. And frankly,

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Speaker 1: it seems like I hope he does well there. It

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Speaker 1: seems like he would. I'm not broken harder for Steelers

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Speaker 1: we'll see what the compensation is. I doubt it's like

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Speaker 1: the fourth front pick, you know. So I think the

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Speaker 1: Steelers are in a better shape. Not doing that about

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Speaker 1: the way. Happy Leap Day. That's leap that's sleep Day.

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Speaker 1: That's a funny thing, isn't it. Happy didn't realize that

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Speaker 1: it's February twenty ninth. It doesn't happen very often four years.

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Speaker 1: It isn't a random thing. No, it is not the No,

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Speaker 1: the cesarean calendar of y. This is this is how

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Speaker 1: it works. But yeah, so Justin Field's doesn't look like

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Speaker 1: you have that discussion inside, don't know. Oh yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you always talk about those things, but that doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: that you act upon No. I mean again, I can't

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Speaker 1: a straight up falcon second round pay well. Excers would

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Speaker 1: the kicker because we're kicking eight. Yeah, they have a

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Speaker 1: the price tag would really prohibit you from dressing others well.

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Speaker 1: And you know the thing is when when you get

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Speaker 1: two teams involved in these kinds of things, that's when

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Speaker 1: the price starts getting driven up. Yeah, then the counter

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Speaker 1: with a second and therefore.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then now you're oh, you can give us

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Speaker 1: Until you reach the point I'll call I'm done. Yeah right,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna fold and I'm done now. And again, you

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Speaker 1: but it would prohibit you to do some things and

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Speaker 1: free agency and a lot there, and certainly that second

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Speaker 1: all these guys that we're talking about this week, you

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Speaker 1: don't you're not gonna get a couple of them. That's

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Speaker 1: when you're not. You're not gonna get to kill those needs.

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Speaker 1: Jacob and I just don't know that he makes you

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Speaker 1: a better football team. I know a lot of Steeler

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Speaker 1: at the yardage that he's running for, and you look

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Speaker 1: at the touchdown and certainly they are better than what

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Speaker 1: Tenny Pickett is putting all these first two seasons. The

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Speaker 1: fans of what's about Yeah, one question out. But he's

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Speaker 1: also has five times as many turnovers, it's remarked. I

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Speaker 1: The sackaches yeah, I mean he takes three and a

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Speaker 1: and he's one year, he say years, No matter what

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Speaker 1: you here, right, at least as much of that offensive line. Now,

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Speaker 1: a really fun team. I am. I mean he I

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Speaker 1: Right, and we see the effect of offensive turnovers one,

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Speaker 4: Doesn't work, and it will still be if you if

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Speaker 4: you look if the Steelers has done that, gone that

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Speaker 4: route never, you're basically punning on Kenny picking.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like you're saying he's done. I can't imagine it's

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Speaker 1: that because that's probably they're gonna run completely it's not

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Speaker 1: completely different offensive, but it's not. They both well simulation

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Speaker 1: where you have to check quarterback paycheck in then haven't agreed.

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Speaker 1: So we'll see what happens to quarterback. But there will

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Speaker 1: be moves. I don't think it's gonna be fueled by

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Speaker 1: all accounts. This morning, the internet's buzzing lot officials, so

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Speaker 1: we shall see those big things going on. So tomorrow

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Speaker 1: kicks off March. Yes, this should be, but since its

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Speaker 1: sleep day, we're not in March yet. Uh In March

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Speaker 1: thirteenth and marks the start of free agency. It's amazing

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Speaker 1: a Name games in there. They've taken the reservation, right,

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Speaker 1: But they've all been done, you know. As we're recording

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Speaker 1: about the draft. And you know, like Dane Brugler, wh

432
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Speaker 1: we haven't got a chance to talk to you. Yet

433
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Speaker 1: you know, he puts out the Beast, and they puts

434
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Speaker 1: out all the background on these guys and all their

435
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Speaker 1: different paths. But there's always i don't know, twenty twenty

436
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Speaker 1: five stories of hardship or coming from not knowing what

437
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Speaker 1: football was till late in life and things like that

438
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Speaker 1: year was the twins from Illinois that were the Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's a good one too. Yeah, yeah, I remember Toma

440
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Speaker 1: Hallie back then. And you know, like there's a lot,

441
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Speaker 1: just so many of them. Where how they got here

442
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Speaker 1: is amazing to be honest with. Yeah. Yeah, It's one

443
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Speaker 1: of the things I get a chance an opportunity to

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Speaker 1: do for Steelers dot Com as well that I really

445
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Speaker 1: enjoy is digging into the backgrounds on some of these guys.

446
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Speaker 1: You know, you learn some things about them, you know.

447
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Speaker 1: In fact, you mentioned the Falcons quarterback, the backup Mariota

448
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Speaker 1: Ritter Heineke. Heineke, Okay, Taylor Heineke Again.

449
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Speaker 2: I'm working on a story on I got a couple

450
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Speaker 2: of irons in the fire on stories that I'm working on,

451
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Speaker 2: and I'm talking to the head football coach and Duke King.

452
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Speaker 2: I'm working on a Christian Kuinn story Christian Kuon's had

453
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Speaker 2: an interception against Taylor Heineke in college.

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Speaker 1: That's kind of bizarre. Like, I remember we were talking

455
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Speaker 1: about this at the watering hole the other night for

456
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Speaker 1: a touchdown, and I didn't realize how good of an

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Speaker 1: athlete Coons was or what he did other than long

458
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Speaker 1: snapping throughout his career.

459
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Speaker 2: Still the all time leading sacker and back leader in

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Speaker 2: Dukane history, dukan history with thirty lot of sacks.

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Speaker 1: It's a lot. It's a lot of awful lot of sacks.

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Speaker 1: I was thinking about that too, like what if they

463
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Speaker 1: had two or three edge injuries. Is he your emergency

464
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Speaker 1: edge guy on game day? I don't know if he

465
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Speaker 1: would be at this point, but they should give him

466
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Speaker 1: a repper too in camp because the.

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Speaker 2: Uh, you know, the the whole long snapping thing is

468
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Speaker 2: pretty important now too pretty you know, him to get

469
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Speaker 2: hurt doing that. Some of your backups might be some

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Speaker 2: of the edge rushers that he is replacing.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the more I think about it, I'm sure

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Speaker 1: of the thirty two edge rushers out or the long

473
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Speaker 1: snappers out there, a lot of them have pretty good

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Speaker 1: football backgrounds.

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Speaker 2: At some point you started, you know, you didn't come

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Speaker 2: into it and you were tight end for the time

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Speaker 2: you were seventh grade.

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Speaker 1: I want to be a long snapper and if you're

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Speaker 1: a good enough athlete to be in the pros. And

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Speaker 1: I'm sure the head coach wasn't like, you're not just

481
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Speaker 1: going to long snap side, you know, you're doing other stuff. Yeah, so,

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Speaker 1: uh that that you know, that's just one of those

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Speaker 1: those little backstories that you that you learned or you

484
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Speaker 1: know that you know Connor Hayward's I told you this one.

485
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Speaker 1: Connor Hayward's youth football quarterback was Davis Mills. Yeah. Yeah,

486
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Speaker 1: it's pretty cool. And there's a safety in this draft

487
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Speaker 1: from Utah. There's actually two, yeah, but the one from

488
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Speaker 1: his Yes, he's played a lot of slot receiver, a

489
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Speaker 1: ton of running back. He's coming out as a safety,

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Speaker 1: but he was Nagie Harris's blocking back in high school.

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Speaker 1: You know. So a lot of these guys intersect and

492
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Speaker 1: a lot of their backgrounds are very cool, and we'll

493
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Speaker 1: get a lot more of these stories, I'm sure, like

494
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Speaker 1: Golson coming out, you know, up on the podium and

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Speaker 1: people start bringing it up and start really digging into

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Speaker 1: their background, like Dane does an unbelievable job. Yeah, like

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Speaker 1: you know, I was talking.

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Speaker 2: I was over there when Cedric Gray was talking yesterday,

499
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Speaker 2: and he, oh, this is great talking about the Troy Paula,

500
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Speaker 2: Troy Paula Malo's forty three on his on his forum

501
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Speaker 2: because that was his favorite player.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, he's twenty three.

503
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Speaker 2: Years old or twenty one years old, Like does he

504
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Speaker 2: really remember Troy playing a lot?

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Speaker 1: But you know that was that long ago, was it?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I mean Troy retired and with twenty six

507
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 1: years ago, seven years ago? Okay, so maybe I guess

508
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Speaker 1: kid right, but then Troy definitely so make that kind

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Speaker 1: of im at He wasn't getting a tattoo at eleven, No,

510
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Speaker 1: I would think not probably not right? All right? You

511
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Speaker 1: know so but I met Steelers took notice of that

512
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Speaker 1: conversation too. Yeah, I mean, I'm sure when you know

513
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Speaker 1: when he met with them, which he did, you know.

514
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Speaker 2: That dream come true. I was a huge Troy Paula

515
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Speaker 2: Malo fan. Look at the tattoo.

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Speaker 1: I didn't just get it that they got track because

517
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Speaker 1: he didn't wear forty three in college. You were three? Okay,

518
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,920
Speaker 1: so interesting, but he would actually fit him quite well too. Yeah,

519
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Speaker 1: he's stud Yeah, he moves around well. I mean it's

520
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Speaker 1: not Troy, but I mean he's an off the ball

521
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Speaker 1: space player with some explosives as well.

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Speaker 2: I think he had seven interceptions in college. He's productive too. Yeah, Yeah,

523
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Speaker 2: some sacks, a bunch of tackles.

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Speaker 1: I think you'll have a good day today too. Yeah.

525
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Speaker 1: I think he'll tester and change direction. Stuff should be

526
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Speaker 1: good for him. A little built, lower to the ground.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's not one of these real long guys.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't look like Trell Edmunds, you know those type. Yeah, yeah,

529
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Speaker 1: drain Edmunds. Does that matter? Do you do you look? Yeah?

530
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Speaker 2: They have to be. He can't be super short. But

531
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Speaker 2: does it matter as much now as it used to?

532
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Speaker 1: In some ways more to me depending on scheme. If

533
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Speaker 1: you're super zone heavy, I think just you just rough

534
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Speaker 1: throwing legs a lot more with your length, you know,

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Speaker 1: I mean just a wingspan. It doesn't seem like much.

536
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Speaker 1: It's like, boy, his wingspan's two inches longer. That's a

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Speaker 1: lot when you're trying to throw a football into a

538
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Speaker 1: tight window. That's tight to begin with. And I also

539
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Speaker 1: think because the tight ends are so good in this league,

540
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Speaker 1: there's times where the stumpy, strong safety Bob Sanders body type.

541
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Speaker 2: He just gets out rebound. Yeah, you know what I mean.

542
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,359
Speaker 2: You know you look at it with Joey Porter. You

543
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Speaker 2: know that was one of the things. Well he's he's

544
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Speaker 2: a four to five guy. Well he's a four or

545
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Speaker 2: five guy, but down the field he plays more like

546
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Speaker 2: a four to four guy because of a length.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and even I mean Porter is a great example.

548
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 1: But I mean a throw on the perimeter, you might

549
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 1: have to throw the ball with different trajectory because of

550
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Speaker 1: his length. You mean, might need to come down sharper

551
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Speaker 1: as opposed to a putting it on a line because

552
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Speaker 1: he has so much tree trunks to get you know,

553
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 1: tree branches to get around. Same thing is true. I mean,

554
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Speaker 1: like you look at the the Cults are a great example,

555
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 1: like all their linebackers have extreme length. And you know

556
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Speaker 1: there's some teams that only draft that way. Just because

557
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Speaker 1: you play a ton of zone and the balls come

558
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Speaker 1: out quick, Well, those zones get a little tighter. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: We talked about that last year with Jack Campbell. Yeah

560
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Speaker 2: you know, uh, well six three, six four. It makes

561
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Speaker 2: a difference, absolutely makes a difference. So but the shorter,

562
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Speaker 2: very explosive run around. Guys definitely have a role in

563
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Speaker 2: this league still. Yeah, I mean speed kills, yeah, I

564
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Speaker 2: mean that's the thing. You know, these guys, for example,

565
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Speaker 2: the safety out of Miami, his name is Williams.

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Speaker 1: I think it is the one that's trying to play linebacker.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, six five yeah, six y five safety probably

568
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 1: too big. If you can't break down, it's it's.

569
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Speaker 2: Really difficult to turn and you know, run and drop

570
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Speaker 2: your hips and those kind of things when you're six five.

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Speaker 1: I mean we're at the combine. So keep referencing, you

572
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Speaker 1: know how they'll work out on the field. But a

573
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Speaker 1: guy like him, I guarantee every war room's going I

574
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Speaker 1: really want to see his shuttles. I want to see

575
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Speaker 1: his three cones. Can he drop his hips and change

576
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Speaker 1: directions or is he so upright that he sticks up?

577
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Speaker 1: Does he fall over the right right right? Because if

578
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Speaker 1: he's you know, he's going to have to in the

579
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Speaker 1: league without what I can remember that being an issue.

580
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Speaker 2: When the Steelers selected Scott Shields back in the early

581
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Speaker 2: two thousands.

582
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Speaker 1: I remember he was kind of a workout warrior.

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Speaker 2: It was ninety nine actually yeah, I mean you looked

584
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Speaker 2: at him, he said, well, he's six four?

585
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Speaker 1: But can he can do those? Can he change directions?

586
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 1: Because inevitably you are going to get stuck on a welcher,

587
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Speaker 1: you know, or somebody that's just a pure quickness player,

588
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:42,719
Speaker 1: and they can tie you in knots. Yeah, I mean

589
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 1: you're not just dropping back and being long all the time.

590
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Speaker 1: So you know, when you when you look at the

591
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Speaker 1: cornerback's position, what's too big for cornerback?

592
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Speaker 2: Is is it six two sixty three? And I don't

593
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Speaker 2: want if he's six four, maybe he can't.

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Speaker 1: You'd start to worry. Yeah, for sure. I mean that's

595
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Speaker 1: why these drills are important. I mean, is he gonna

596
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Speaker 1: a lot of its scheme? I mean, if you're just

597
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Speaker 1: to cover three Sherman type corner, you're much more apt

598
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Speaker 1: to be able to handle those things. But the thing

599
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Speaker 1: about that is like, okay, yeah, we can handle less

600
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Speaker 1: change of direction in our scheme if we get more

601
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Speaker 1: length or physicality or whatever we're looking for. But these

602
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 1: offensive coordinators are so good at isolating your weaknesses. You

603
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Speaker 1: never just do one thing. You know they're gonna pick

604
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Speaker 1: at it or pick at it. Yeah, I mean they're

605
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 1: gonna flood your zone with two or three receivers and

606
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Speaker 1: make you choose and you know, so, I mean that's

607
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Speaker 1: why these coaches are so good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just you know, I remember a few years

609
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Speaker 2: ago and we're you know, waiting for DK Metcalfs. Straight

610
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 2: line speed and everything was fantastic, fantastic, and his workout

611
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Speaker 2: was fan you know, jumps out of the gym and

612
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Speaker 2: he's you know, all things.

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Speaker 1: Straight line was historically good for it, but the cornering

614
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 1: was was an issue and so you wonder if, yeah,

615
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 1: you wondered if that would hold up in the NFL. Well,

616
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 1: he's such a physical freak that you just throw the

617
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Speaker 1: ball up to him down the field and let him

618
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Speaker 1: go get it. And for people don't remember, what you're

619
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Speaker 1: referring to is his three cone drill was worse than

620
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Speaker 1: Tom Brady's. I mean it really was. He was like

621
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Speaker 1: a giant battleship that just went forward like a train

622
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Speaker 1: on the tracks. But if in that case the defense

623
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 1: can't manipulate him like the often the other way around.

624
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 2: You can play to his strengths, right whereas the defense

625
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 2: is they got to you gotta defend that.

626
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Speaker 1: Yeah, So he runs a lot of slants, He runs

627
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 1: a lot of goes. You know, there's not a lot

628
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 1: of double and triple moves of that type of thing.

629
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Speaker 1: And he's also gotten better at it. Like him on

630
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Speaker 1: the field now, if you study his tape coming out

631
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Speaker 1: of his brakes latterally is much better than his rookie year.

632
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Speaker 1: I mean he knew his weaknesses. Guys get better, Yeah,

633
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 1: they get better, right right right?

634
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Speaker 2: And so in college a lot of these guys aren't

635
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 2: asked to you know, you always hear about the you know,

636
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 2: a lot of the receivers. Well, he needs to refine

637
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 2: his route running. Well, why would that be, well they

638
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 2: I mean they kept buying their athleticism.

639
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 1: In college, oh for sure, or sup wide open schemes,

640
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 1: and they don't have as much practice time well, I

641
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 1: mean time to dedicate to their craft and things like

642
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 1: that too. And sometimes their bodies are still maturing too.

643
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 1: Their balance gets better, their technique gets better, coaching, et cetera,

644
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera. But you're right, there's not a

645
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Speaker 1: lot of refined route runners coming out of school. No,

646
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Speaker 1: it just doesn't happen.

647
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Speaker 2: I And even if even if they are good route

648
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 2: runners in college, they can still continue to get better

649
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 2: at it at the NFL level, I mean the nuances

650
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 2: of it, Like you know, Jerry Rice is obviously like

651
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 2: the gold standard, but they and I've seen studies of

652
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 2: it where they'll show his stem, which is, you know,

653
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 2: his his until he makes his first break, looks the

654
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 2: same no matter what route he runs.

655
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Speaker 1: He doesn't tell it at all, you know. And then

656
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: some of the guys are the opposite where they'll give

657
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 1: you this lean like, oh, he's got a strong tendency,

658
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 1: and then you bite, and then DeVante Adams snaps it

659
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 1: back the other way, you know. So I mean it's

660
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 1: it's devilish.

661
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's why, you know, with wide receivers necessarily

662
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 2: the forty times can be a little.

663
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 1: Overrated for a wide receiver. I think running back in

664
00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: wide receiver the most overrated me and now is a

665
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 1: forced seven guy.

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00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah for seven. Yeah, I don't even think like

667
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 2: Brown ran Antonio Brown. I think it was like four

668
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 2: or five one something like that.

669
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Speaker 1: Larry didn't have a great forty. Jerry Rice didn't have

670
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 1: a great forty. There's many, many instances of it. People

671
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 1: very rarely catch them from behind, though, right, I mean,

672
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 1: like Michael Thomas was super productive for five years in

673
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 1: the league. It was like for sixth Yeah, I think

674
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 1: it's like a four to six one something like that.

675
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 1: But people way overreact to forty times for receivers and

676
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 1: then this running backs. They're really speedy ones tend to

677
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 1: not work out because they're just fast, just fast. Yeah.

678
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 2: John Ross has one of the best forty times ever

679
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 2: in the combine never became anything.

680
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 1: Real real speed demons. There's not many of them that

681
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: really hit. Yeah.

682
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 2: So when when we start seeing some of these speeds

683
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 2: and things of that nature, Chris Johnson's the outlier.

684
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's won the few that actually turned into a

685
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 1: very very good player. But don't be a Nan was

686
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 1: four to two. This guy ran four to two or

687
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 1: four to three. Yeah, but can he play football? I

688
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 1: would rather my first round corner ran a four to

689
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 1: two than my first round receiver running back. Yeah, you

690
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 1: know what I mean. It didn't really hold up with

691
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 1: Jackson Smith and the jig build yet last year. But

692
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 1: he was ungodly in his free cone, and that to

693
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 1: me is more of a route running drill, you know,

694
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 1: him coming out of your breaks things like that, and

695
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:20,720
Speaker 1: he'll get more nuanced the longer he's in the season.

696
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 1: Went on last year. We wasn't a disappointment at all. Yeah,

697
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 1: he'll be fine. Yeah, absolutely, let's get to another break here.

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Speaker 1: He is the Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lolly. You're

699
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 1: listening to the drive here on Steelers Nation Radio. We

700
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 1: are live from the NFL Scouting Combine. This is day

701
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Speaker 1: three for us here on this Thursday, on this Leap Day,

702
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 1: Leep Day, Leap Day.

703
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 2: We will always remember Leap Day, twenty twenty three, twenty

704
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Speaker 2: twenty four, twenty twenty four.

705
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Speaker 1: I gotta figure out what day it is. But yeah,

706
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 1: so we are, we're here. We're gonna hopefully at some

707
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 1: point here during the show, we start getting some heights

708
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 1: and weights coming in on some of these guys. We

709
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 1: can kind of react to those online.

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Speaker 2: That's what I like, really, it would dig into yeah,

711
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 2: because I'm super interested in what some of these guys.

712
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 2: You know, we know what time drill store today? I

713
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 2: think I think, yeah, I think the afternoon. So we'll

714
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:09,400
Speaker 2: have to react to those tomorrow.

715
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Speaker 1: But set my DVR at home, and I was thinking

716
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Speaker 1: it was like three to six something like that. Yeah, Yeah,

717
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 1: we'll get to we'll get to that though later here

718
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: more tomorrow. Yeah, but we're gonna get to a breakdown.

719
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Speaker 2: We'll be back with more here on Steelers Nation Radio

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Speaker 2: and Fox Sports Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 5: Live from about twenty twenty four NFL Combine.

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Speaker 1: This Steelers Nation Radio, Welcome back. I am Dale Lolly.

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Speaker 2: He is the Matt Williams and we are live at

724
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Speaker 2: the NFL Scouting Combine. I met in that previous segment.

725
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:49,359
Speaker 2: We were talking linebacker a little bit there. Yeah, we've

726
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:51,800
Speaker 2: talked to linebacker a lot more.

727
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:52,320
Speaker 1: Yeah.

728
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 2: Uh so looking here, Bill Barnwell is a piece on

729
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:59,240
Speaker 2: free agency. Oh okay, stacking some of the free agent

730
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 2: linebackers here. Yeah, let's talk about available.

731
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 1: And it's okay, it's okay, and and and so you're

732
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 1: gonna have to weigh if you're the Steelers, if you

733
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:10,800
Speaker 1: and you you're gonna add at least one, oh for sure,

734
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 1: for sure, for sure, because you know Kawan Alexander's is

735
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 1: a free agent. You really have two you can count

736
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 1: on right now. And one of them's injury situations. Yeah,

737
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 1: you precare situations what it is. And Robinson's going to

738
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Speaker 1: be in camp. Yeah, so.

739
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:28,360
Speaker 2: You have to weigh whether you want to fill that

740
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 2: in free agency or whether you want to try to

741
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 2: fill that in the draft.

742
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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's go through it though, because yeah, I do

743
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 1: like as it's a case with every year when I

744
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 1: start looking at draft stuff, I started looking at the Steelers'

745
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 1: biggest needs first. But now I've gotten you know, we

746
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 1: have gotten more into some of the linebackers that are

747
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 1: to be working out today, and I'm liking that group

748
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,399
Speaker 1: more and more. It's day two guys, Day two guys,

749
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:52,800
Speaker 1: Yeah two, right, yeah, later, But you do want to

750
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 1: knock some needs out before the draft. I mean, you

751
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 1: can't go into the draft with five positions. You have

752
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 1: to draft with three picks. So he has no he

753
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 1: is a franchise type. I'm backer available. I don't think

754
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 1: Patrick Queen's a franchise type quarter. He has him in

755
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Speaker 1: tier two and the only guy in tier two is

756
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Speaker 1: a a Pro Bowl caliber starter, And I don't even

757
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 1: know if I would put him there because we've seen

758
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 1: him be Robin. We haven't seen him be Batman, right

759
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,319
Speaker 1: right right. Whoever signs him is going to sign him

760
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 1: to be Batman. I think he's got high potential. I mean,

761
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 1: he's a really athletic first round pick, and we always

762
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 1: talk about takes those guys a while and he's a

763
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:34,280
Speaker 1: perfect example of that. And I do think having Rokelon

764
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 1: there boosted him a great deal. But he'd be a

765
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Speaker 1: risky guy to sign because he's going to be expensive.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I bet he's fifteen million a year and

767
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Speaker 1: there's bus potential.

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Speaker 2: I'm betting right here on February, Yeah, February twent at

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Speaker 2: leap day, February twenty ninth, that he is a Seattle Seahawks.

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Speaker 1: I think so too, which is a perfect way to

771
00:37:56,680 --> 00:38:00,839
Speaker 1: bring in your defensive general. You know your you're gonna

772
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:02,799
Speaker 1: make all the play calls, you know the defense, you're

773
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 1: gonna teach it to everybody else. Yep. And another guy

774
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Speaker 1: in this list from Seattle, Brooks is gonna is up

775
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 1: for free agency to them. I mean, if you're Seattle,

776
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't mind a little overpay there, you know, new

777
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Speaker 1: head coach. I think he's worth more to them than

778
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Speaker 1: most teams. I'm certain he won't be a raven. Yeah,

779
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 1: they can't. They drafted what Simpson last year with this

780
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,760
Speaker 1: in mind, his tier three guys.

781
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 2: And he's looking at an average salary projection of sixteen

782
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 2: to eighteen million for Patrick Queen.

783
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Speaker 1: Oh, I just said fifteen and I'm probably a little light. Yeah.

784
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 1: So but Tier three guys, maybe i'd start considering this year. Maybe. Yeah.

785
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 1: Jordan Brooks, the afore mentioned Jordan Brooks, former first round pick.

786
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Speaker 1: He might be hitting his stride at the right time right.

787
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 1: Better to buy these guys now than suffer through those

788
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 1: first couple.

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Speaker 2: This is the interesting thing about this, So on this

790
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 2: his list of capable starters. Here you've got a bunch

791
00:38:55,320 --> 00:39:00,040
Speaker 2: of the older guys, like thirty plus guys. Yeah, And

792
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 2: then you've got some of those higher rated, some guys

793
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 2: who are high draft picks who haven't quite clarished.

794
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 1: Yet, hopefully their best days ahead of him so much

795
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 1: as one of the younger guys. Then you got Lavonte

796
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 1: David So we should probably have this conversation. He still

797
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:17,360
Speaker 1: wants he wants to be a Bucket. I know he

798
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 1: wants to be a buck And Wagner's the other one.

799
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Speaker 1: I'm sure it's going to come up. But a lot

800
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 1: of these guys wanted to just play for coach Tomlin.

801
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 1: I mean, and I don't want to get old on defense.

802
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 1: But a one year deal doesn't mean you're old on

803
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:32,280
Speaker 1: you means rent them for a year. You know, and

804
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 1: the injury history with those guys isn't no. I mean

805
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,840
Speaker 1: it's they've been pretty terrible. Yeah, they're Hall of famers. Yeah.

806
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 1: Willie Gay with the Chiefs interesting. I would probably like

807
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 1: his teammate better for the cost, because I think Gay

808
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 1: is going to be We'll get to the prices, but

809
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 1: I'm guessing he's nine. It's a little price.

810
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 2: It depends on, you know, if it get turns into

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Speaker 2: how many teams want him.

812
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 1: Jordan Hicks with the Vikings interesting, but I don't know

813
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 1: that it's a big upgrade. Yeah, Josie Jewel with the

814
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,720
Speaker 1: Broncos very solid. I mean, like he's not a good tester,

815
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Speaker 1: he's you know, he lives off his mind and his eyes,

816
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:11,839
Speaker 1: but you can count on him. Yeah, you know, he's

817
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 1: a good player. Frankie Luvo with the Panthers. I really

818
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 1: like him. I mean he's an ascending guy. He's more

819
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 1: of a downhill player though than a you know, playing

820
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 1: space playing reverse guy. But he has a really good

821
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Speaker 1: year for the Panthers. Like's a couple of Panthers defenders

822
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 1: that are a lot better football people, players that people realize

823
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 1: they're just always on the field. Yeah, Andrew van Ginkel.

824
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:37,319
Speaker 1: He's more of an edge typical like Nikovich guy. You know,

825
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 1: I don't think the Steelers those guys are You can

826
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Speaker 1: move him around the line, Oh yeah, yeah, you can

827
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,800
Speaker 1: drop off the ball. Yeah. Devin White, who's more of

828
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Speaker 1: a name than he is a player at this point.

829
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Speaker 1: I mean, there's a number I would give him and

830
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Speaker 1: hopefully he hits his stride at the right time. But

831
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Speaker 1: I bet that number is not enough to secure him.

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Speaker 1: He hasn't hit it yet.

833
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Speaker 2: I mean he was he was in fifth overall pick

834
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Speaker 2: for the Buccaneers and they're not going to have him back.

835
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Speaker 1: No, he won't be back. He gave us a big

836
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 1: pick slate in the year. Yes, yes, he's been in

837
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 1: and out of lineup. Uh and then Bobby Wagner. Yeah.

838
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,359
Speaker 1: I still think he has it, but this last year

839
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 1: was a little worrisome. Get he can't He's not Batman anymore. No,

840
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 1: but he can be a solid piece. I mean this

841
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 1: probably won't apply to the Steelers, but he would be

842
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 1: the perfect guy to be Leavonte David's Devin White mentor

843
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like if there was a

844
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 1: high pick or you know that's still learning the ropes

845
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 1: or whoever the first linebacker off the board was last year.

846
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 1: You know, go pair him with Bobby Wagner, who's an

847
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 1: all time great.

848
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Speaker 2: Really, and there there's his annual projected salary for those

849
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 2: for that group of guys, it's between seven and ten

850
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:42,399
Speaker 2: million a year.

851
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 1: Who would you take if you had to have one

852
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 1: of those? If I had to, I'd take Louvu, But

853
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 1: he's probably ten, not to.

854
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 2: Probably he's probably at a ten. Side of that, I

855
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 2: think Willie gave fills a lot.

856
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 1: Of interesting He's probably the best athlete you mentioned. Yeah,

857
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:58,799
Speaker 1: I mean he was an extreme tester here to see

858
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 1: him flying around and he made just be hitting his

859
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 1: stride here that yeah, yeah, that's not a bad one.

860
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 1: I'm still young enough that there's there's some upside there.

861
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 1: I mean, if his agent called the Steelers said you

862
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 1: want Willie for two years, fifteen million with a nice bonus. Yeah. Yeah.

863
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 1: The Tier four guys, which are borderline starter's high end backups,

864
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 1: I think there's a I haven't seen the list, but

865
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 1: I bet there's three or four names here that would

866
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:26,240
Speaker 1: fit the bill. The first one is as he's al Shaer.

867
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 1: I think he's better. I think he's at description that description. Yeah,

868
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 1: and I think a lot of these guys in this

869
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 1: tier will be better than that description. Yeah, very interested

870
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 1: in him. Yeah.

871
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 2: Uh Anthony Jennings of the Patriots. Yeah, yeah, he doesn't.

872
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 2: He's more of a thier.

873
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 1: He is more of a yeah, you know, borderline guy.

874
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 1: Denzel Perriman, same thing. He's been a league long down too,

875
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 1: and he was a little athletically limited.

876
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 2: Uh and Tacky Tacky of the Browns. He's got an

877
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 2: injury history.

878
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 1: That's elshier should be in the he should be here

879
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 1: above there. Yeah, he's much better than these guys. Some

880
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: possible cap cat he lists they list the price tag

881
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:05,359
Speaker 1: for that tier. I haven't gotten there yet. Oh, these

882
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 1: are all still on the same tier. A the cap

883
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 1: casual guy Deveondre Campbell of the Packers. I'd have to

884
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:14,240
Speaker 1: study what he did this past year, but he's a long,

885
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:17,359
Speaker 1: middle of the field defender. I assume he's on here

886
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 1: because they signed him too big a deal two years ago,

887
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 1: and then they drafted Walker out of Georgia in the

888
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 1: first round. It looks like a pretty good player. Uh.

889
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 1: Cole Holcom is on this list. I don't know if

890
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 1: I see that happening unless unless the injury makes you

891
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 1: do it. Yeah, and that's the first I've heard that. Yeah.

892
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 1: And then Eric Kendricks of the Chargers, he's bounced around

893
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 1: a little, but he's had a really good career. Yeah.

894
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 1: I mean if he was out there and Chargers have

895
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:41,879
Speaker 1: to cut everybody, yeah, I bet. I don't think that's

896
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 1: a reflection on Kendricks as much as the Chargers are

897
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,720
Speaker 1: just in a nasty situation. And the the average annual

898
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 1: salary projection for that group of guys is three to

899
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 1: five million. If I can get I'll share at five Yeah,

900
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,399
Speaker 1: five I dud Yeah, sign me up two years at

901
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:00,359
Speaker 1: nine and a half. Yeah, I mean on that, I'd

902
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 1: be good with that. Yeah. The Tier five to a

903
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:04,280
Speaker 1: bad place a shot. Yeah, these are.

904
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 2: Backups, not likely to guaranteed money. And that when you

905
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 2: got Cody Barton, Devin Bush, Zach Cunningham.

906
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 1: Terrell Dodson. Oh, I would take Dodson. I would take.

907
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:17,920
Speaker 2: Dotson out of that, Shaq Leonard, Kenneth Murray. Would you

908
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 2: take a shot on Kenneth Murray? Another again, another highly

909
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 2: drafted guy that.

910
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 1: He's never shown good eyes. Yeah, he just hasn't. No,

911
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 1: But I mean, he was a highly drafted guy that

912
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 1: they're traits, and I guess that's why he phrases it

913
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 1: that way. That wouldn't be guaranteed money, Like you could

914
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 1: sign him and maybe even cut him. Yeah, I mean,

915
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:37,720
Speaker 1: like he might not even make the team. Yeah, Isaiah

916
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 1: Simmons kind of the same thing. He intrigues me. Yeah,

917
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:44,319
Speaker 1: I mean, just get him in here and see what happens. Ye,

918
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 1: see what he can do. He was a free safety.

919
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 2: You didn't draft him, you didn't there's the pressure now

920
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 2: is off, Like the pressure was on the Cardinals to

921
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 2: figure out what to do with them.

922
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I mean the Giants gave up like a

923
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 1: seventh round pick for him just to eat his salary. This. Yeah,

924
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 1: Drew Tranquill that one. I'm interested that. When I'm interested

925
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 1: in he would play here. Yeah, Anthony Walker of the

926
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:06,280
Speaker 1: Browns and mac Wilson of the Patriotskay, Tranquil would certainly

927
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:10,439
Speaker 1: excite me. There was another name on there, Dodson Dotson. Yeah.

928
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:12,319
Speaker 1: I don't think he belongs there. I think Dowson's an

929
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 1: ascending he should be an impresso player. Yeah. I'd get

930
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:17,720
Speaker 1: probably give Dawson three or four million a year.

931
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 2: And then backups likely to earn roster spots are Actually

932
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 2: the average salary for those guys is one point five

933
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:23,280
Speaker 2: to three million.

934
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 1: I mean, if you could get either one of those

935
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 1: two or three or yeah, I mean I'd give Isaiah

936
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 1: Simmons one point five. Yeah.

937
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 2: And then this last group is the backups likely roster

938
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 2: spots at one Alexander see where he's at in terms

939
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 2: of his recovery or in Burks with the forty nine Ers,

940
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 2: Kamu Gruger Hill of the Panthers, Malik Harrison of the Ravens,

941
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:48,360
Speaker 2: Nicholas Morrow of the Eagles, Kaleigue Hudson of the Commanders,

942
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 2: Josh Woods of the Cardinals, and then some couple of

943
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 2: restricted free agents Jack Gibbons of the Titans, Christian Rosenblue.

944
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:58,320
Speaker 1: With the Rams. Okay, I mean, frankly, I can't speak

945
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 1: super intelligently on that entire groupe, but they all better

946
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:02,720
Speaker 1: be special teamers.

947
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're like one year, you know, VETA minimum type guys.

948
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 2: So that's what that's what you're shopping. And if you

949
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:11,399
Speaker 2: go to the free free agent route as.

950
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 1: Abuse of the draft, and I bet there's a couple

951
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:16,840
Speaker 1: other cap casualty is not mentioned still. But I was

952
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 1: thinking there's a name for Cashman. I think as a

953
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:24,759
Speaker 1: free agent from the Blake, Cashman went to Minnesota. I

954
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 1: thought he was up and he didn't get listed there

955
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 1: because I thought him and him and Tranquil, to me,

956
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 1: you're pretty similar. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Yeah. We're gonna get

957
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Speaker 1: to another break.

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Speaker 2: That's gonna do it for our number one of the

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Speaker 2: Drive here live from the NFL Scouting Combine here in Indianapolis.

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Speaker 1: He is Matt Williamson. I'm Dale Lulie.

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