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Speaker 3: It is a Thursday.

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Speaker 1: We are full as usual, one hour, Greg Cosell. It's

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Speaker 1: The Herd in Chicago. Wherever you may be, however you

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Speaker 1: You know, Jamc. I was thinking about this on Fox

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Speaker 1: Sunday night. I'm not sure if I've ever been this

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Speaker 1: jack to watch a preseason game. It's Caleb Williams and

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Speaker 1: the Bears taking on the Buffalo Bills, and Ben Johnson.

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Speaker 3: Has said, listen, we're playing starters.

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Speaker 1: So and we've seen this preseason Mahomes and Borough and

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Speaker 1: the veteran playing. Everybody's playing so but this week they

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Speaker 1: held out Caleb Williams, and so I want to talk

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Speaker 1: about this. We tend to think, as fans and media,

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Speaker 1: we tend to think if you're really talented, that the

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Speaker 1: problems are always solvable. Carmelo Anthony, Well, he's a great athlete,

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Speaker 1: he'll commit to defense eventually. He never did. James Harden

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Speaker 1: never committed to the defensive end. MJ did, Kobe did,

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Speaker 1: Lebron did, Durant has even Steph Curry, who's not great,

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Speaker 1: did Byrd did Melo? James Harden never did, could have

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Speaker 1: Lucas never really committed to defense. Well, he's in great shape.

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Speaker 1: He'll use that for offense, my guess, not for defense. Not.

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Speaker 1: We tend to think though, like we all know that

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Speaker 1: Sean McVay could not make Jared Goff fast or Kyle

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Speaker 1: Shanahan may have made Matt Ryan an MVP, but he

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Speaker 1: couldn't make him a great athlete. But when we see

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Speaker 1: these great talents, we think, wow, you can solve their problems.

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers has been aloof his entire career. J Cutler's

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Speaker 1: temperament was not a winning temperament in the NFL. And

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Speaker 1: Cutler was already talented, and so is Aaron Rodgers, Kyler Murray,

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Speaker 1: is he really as committed as Tom Brady was. He's

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Speaker 1: certainly talented enough to be We think commitments.

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Speaker 3: Just getting at a.

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Speaker 1: Little early staying a little late doesn't work that way.

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Speaker 1: When you're a great athlete like Caleb Williams, there's some

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Speaker 1: things that come easy and you really never developed them right.

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Speaker 1: Like I always said, there's very few supermodels, male or

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Speaker 3: They don't have to be right.

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Speaker 1: So I look at Caleb and this is the part

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Speaker 1: that I'm very optimistic. Last year with two different head

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Speaker 1: coaches and two different play callers, a total circus, and

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Speaker 1: an egregiously bad offensive line, and here were the numbers.

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Speaker 1: Sixty two and a half percent completion percentage, eighty eight

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Speaker 1: If he just improved, just with Ben Johnson, very very

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Speaker 1: Improved fifteen percent, look at the numbers, he's a pro bowler.

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Speaker 1: Seventy one percent completion percentage, twenty three touchdowns, only five

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Speaker 1: you would be a pro bowler. Fifteen percent of fifteen

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Speaker 1: an annual basis, but fifteen percent tweaking. That's kind of

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Speaker 1: My question with Caleb Williams are his issues Like Carmelo

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Speaker 1: Nobody's been able to make Kyler Murray's commitment obsessive. You know,

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Speaker 1: or Luke of the play defense. Not all issues are solvable.

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Speaker 1: Fifteen percent improvement from Ben though, And you have a

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Speaker 1: to get him on the field. Brian Baldeger came on

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Speaker 4: Okay, great offing the team up. They needed to get

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Speaker 4: tougher mentally, Let's put the quarterback out there. You've upgraded

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Speaker 4: about him getting hurt. He was sacked sixty eight times

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Speaker 4: and never hurt last year. Put him out there. Let

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Speaker 4: him show the world that this offense fits him and

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Speaker 4: he could do the things that Ben Jonson wants him

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Speaker 5: There's no point to hide him.

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Speaker 4: He needs to play in this offense and he needs

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Speaker 1: So people think I'm picking on the Pittsburgh Steeters, but

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Speaker 1: every even Hall of Fame coach has a little bit

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Speaker 1: of a hole. We saw with Bill Belichick. He started

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Speaker 1: Bill had a hole in his game, and his hole

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Speaker 1: was he was not good at drafting. He reached on

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Speaker 1: on offense. Did he ever draft a wide receiver? I

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Speaker 1: did they ever draft a wide receiver that panned out.

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Speaker 1: He just couldn't do it. Mike Tomlin has a whole too,

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Speaker 1: and I hope he's aware of it. But Mike Tomlin

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Speaker 1: Here's Mike Tomlin on this year's potential Steeler defense.

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Speaker 6: We feel really good about the prospects of this group.

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Speaker 6: We do. We got to write that story, but we

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Speaker 6: got enough talent, we got enough schematics to do big,

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Speaker 6: big things. And when I say big things, I'm talking

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Speaker 1: It's really hard to be a historic defense when you

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Speaker 1: can't sustain drives offensively. And this, to me is the

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Speaker 1: hole in Tomlin's game. He's a motivator, he develops, he

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Speaker 1: Steelers defense, it falls apart because they're on the field

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Speaker 1: the whole season. Last year, last five games, their defense

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Speaker 1: twenty seven and a half points a game. The point

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Speaker 1: differential was minus sixty six, bottom of the league. So

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Speaker 1: this year's defense is going to be historic because you

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Speaker 1: had a Darius Slay and Jalen Ramsey, both both bats

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Speaker 1: are prime. The Steelers can't develop consistent run games, and

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Speaker 1: there's a reason Philadelphia's defense or Baltimore's defense are dominating. Yes,

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Speaker 1: part of its personnel. The other part is Lamar Jackson

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Speaker 1: and Derrick Henry keep the defense off the field so

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Speaker 1: they're arrested. And by the way, that's what Philadelpha, Jalen

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Speaker 1: the defense is on the field, they are rested and

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Speaker 1: with Cam Hayward, Mika Fitzpatrick was dreadful because they're on

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Speaker 1: expanding the season, we're now at seventeen games, many suspect

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Speaker 1: it will be eighteen. You will not have a great

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Speaker 1: a complimentary above average run game. That is too many

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Speaker 1: games to have your defense on the field. Remember that

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Speaker 1: playoff game last year with the Ravens Jessee. Time of

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Speaker 1: college football is going to fourteen to fifteen games after

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Speaker 3: If you don't have a run game, I.

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Speaker 1: Don't care how good Alabama's defense is. More guys get hurt,

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Speaker 1: more guys are exhausted. Pittsburgh's defense was terrible at the

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Speaker 1: That's what Belichick Ohwa's got. He kept Dante's Scarnecki around

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Speaker 1: best offensive line coach. Ever, they always had an above

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Speaker 1: they didn't lead the NFL in interceptions year after year,

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Speaker 1: get on the iPad. What did we do wrong? Sustain drives, Brady,

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Speaker 1: pick it up first downs, Just move the chains, seven

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Speaker 1: or don't score, let the defense rest. There are no

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Speaker 1: going forward. There will be no great NFL defenses seventeen

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Speaker 1: and the Steelers cannot build a run game.

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Speaker 3: And you know, the.

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Speaker 1: Only thing that's historic is that the historic nature of

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Speaker 1: the Steelers is one again. They lead the NFL in

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Speaker 1: defensive spending in the last four years, haven't been a

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Speaker 1: top ten defense. That's virtually impossible to do Historically. If

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Speaker 1: you spend the most money on the side of the ball,

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Speaker 1: and you do it for four straight years, it is

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Speaker 3: Of that that's not top ten.

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Speaker 1: And yet the Steelers last four years haven't because they're

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Speaker 1: run games stunk. It's not that complicated. I think it's

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Speaker 1: the hole in his game. All right, Jay Mac, we

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Speaker 1: got a lot. Greg co Sella's going to be joining us.

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Speaker 1: The Angel swept the Dodgers. The Brewers and the Angels

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Speaker 1: this year have swept the Dodgers. Tay, did you listen

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Speaker 1: to Taylor Swift stuff?

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Speaker 5: What Taylor Swift stuff?

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Speaker 1: You didn't hear Taylor Swift on that New Heights podcast.

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Speaker 7: I was unaware that happened. Of course I heard about it.

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Speaker 7: My daughter watched the whole thing. No, I did not

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Speaker 7: pay attention to.

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Speaker 3: What don't you make of it?

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Speaker 7: She's a fan of Taylor Swift. You know, we went

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Speaker 7: to the concert.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that.

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Speaker 7: There's anything super interesting in there. Let me go back

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Speaker 7: to your Pittsburgh point for said Colin, can you run

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Speaker 7: a business.

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Speaker 3: I've run a business.

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Speaker 7: Can you think of running a business finding no success

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Speaker 7: where it matters most to the bottom line for like

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Speaker 1: So when Tom Coughlin coach the New York Giants, he

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Speaker 10: You mean that we're talking about cover two, Cover four,

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Speaker 1: She's going to be shown for thirty four seconds. Travis

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Speaker 1: a very popular guy. He was Mahomes's biggest ally on

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Speaker 1: That's our royal family. Here was more Taylor on the

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Speaker 1: new influx of female fans to football.

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Speaker 10: A lot of the women and girls maybe they like

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Speaker 10: watched one game to see me each year on my

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Speaker 10: boyfriend or whatever. But if they if they stayed, which

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Speaker 10: is what people are saying based on the numbers, that's

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Speaker 10: the game is so great and it's such an amazing

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Speaker 10: interesting thing to learn about.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's great on television.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's the reason the Netflix, Amazon, Primes, the Hulus,

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Speaker 1: the Paramounts, the reason these companies do well good content.

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Speaker 1: It's not because we like paying our Netflix bill every month.

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Speaker 1: They offer really good documentaries and it's the best actors

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Speaker 1: and the best writers and the the best directors and producers.

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Speaker 1: And that's what the NFL is. The NFL is great content.

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Speaker 1: Baseball can be slow. There's not a lot of urgency

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Speaker 1: with the NBA season.

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Speaker 3: It's long.

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Speaker 1: Soccer's over on Apple TV. I'm not paying for that.

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Speaker 1: The NFL is great content. Sorry, j Mac didn't mean

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Speaker 1: to take a shot, would you. I mean, let me

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Speaker 1: ask you this. Nobody complained about the obligatory and relentless

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Speaker 1: shots of Fireman ed for thirty years. We can't be

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Speaker 1: bothered by thirty four seconds of Taylor Swift Fireman Ed.

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Speaker 3: I am over that one. I'm over.

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Speaker 1: I kind of look forward to the Taylor Swift six

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Speaker 1: second shot four times a game.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I will say the whole Taylor Swift running around

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Speaker 7: screaming we got Xavier Worthy. That's pretty cool now. I

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Speaker 7: know in my house I can hype the Jets with

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Speaker 7: our draft picks, but my family's not all excited. I

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Speaker 7: like the Taylor Swifts bought in and talking about cover two,

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Speaker 7: Cover three, man like.

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Speaker 5: That's kind of cool. I don't know I'm impressed.

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Speaker 7: I mean, I assume Anne run circles around the family room. No,

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Speaker 7: when you announce USC just signed the five star offensive line.

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Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 1: And I do think this is genuine and authentic. Is

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Speaker 1: that I think when you're young. I mean, my daughter

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Speaker 1: likes sports more than my son. She's willing to go.

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Speaker 1: She goes to MLS games all the time in Nashville,

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Speaker 1: So I think it's authentic. I don't buy their using

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Speaker 1: each other. I would they speak that celebt language. I

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Speaker 1: think they get each other. I think it's hard to

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Speaker 1: be a celebrity. Celebrities and never made more in America

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Speaker 1: I happen to. I mean, of the twelve homes, I'm

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Speaker 1: sure Taylor Swift owns. I know where one of them's at.

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Speaker 1: And people sit on the beach and take pictures of

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Speaker 1: her home. It's like a it's a trend. It's what

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Speaker 1: people do all summer long. Who are you going to date?

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Speaker 1: Who are you going to be around? You know? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: congrats to the Kelsey's on that all right?

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Speaker 3: Greg co Seal's around the corner on a Thursday. I

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Speaker 3: can't wait one more.

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Speaker 2: Heard the Herd streams twenty four hours a day, seven

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Speaker 2: days a week within the iHeartRadio app, search her to

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Speaker 2: listen live or on demand whenever you like.

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Speaker 1: With that, Greg Cosel forty six years NFL Films joins us. Okay,

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Speaker 1: my guy snor Sanders. Why the PFF grade had him

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Speaker 1: just knocking it out of the park. I will say

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Speaker 1: this about Shador when I watch the game, Greg, I

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Speaker 1: do think he moves better than you know.

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Speaker 3: You said this last week.

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Speaker 1: Bon Nicks moves better than people give him credit for,

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Speaker 1: and it he just does. I think Chadur's movement is

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Speaker 1: pretty good. It's not bon Nicks. But what did you

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Speaker 1: make of his Schador's overall performance last Friday.

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Speaker 5: I thought he did more good things than bad things.

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Speaker 11: To me, the movement was more critical when it came

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Speaker 11: to pocket movement. That second touchdown he threw, I thought

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Speaker 11: it was a really good example where he moved to

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Speaker 11: its right in reaction to the blitz pressure. And what

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Speaker 11: I really liked was the way he reset his throwing platform,

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Speaker 11: reset his feet, and then delivered the ball at the

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Speaker 11: at the front of the end zone. You see it

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Speaker 11: right here. You want to throw low at the front

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Speaker 11: of the end zone. I thought that was a really

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Speaker 11: good play. I think one of the things that he'll

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Speaker 11: need to work on because you don't see this a

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Speaker 11: lot in college football, Colin, and there were a number

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Speaker 11: of plays like this, and I guarantee that the organization

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Speaker 11: saw this is he's not a naturally anticipatory thrower, and

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Speaker 11: they were a couple of throws that he clearly left

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Speaker 11: on the field that require anticipation, and that's something he'll

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Speaker 11: have to improve if he's to become a quality NFL

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Speaker 11: starting quarterback. Because yes, he moved better, but I think

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Speaker 11: you and I both agree if he's to become a

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Speaker 11: quality starter, his game is not going to be built

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Speaker 11: on a playmaking dimension. It's going to be built on

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Speaker 11: his ability to play from the pocket. But there was

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Speaker 11: more good than bad certainly in his performance.

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Speaker 1: So I've argued this that if Jackson Dart ends up

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Speaker 1: being really good, the Giants have a number one receiver,

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Speaker 1: a very good left tackle, an offensive coach, and a

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Speaker 1: tremendous defensive front. Abdul Carter and very few snaps has

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Speaker 1: looked dominant. So my take is, if Jackson Dart can play,

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Speaker 1: I think they're an interesting team. Here's my argument why

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Speaker 1: he should three years with Lane Kiffen forty one college

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Speaker 1: starts in the toughest defensive conference Lane could coach in

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Speaker 1: the NFL today. My take is, I don't want to

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Speaker 1: hear about well, you know, he's young, forty one starts

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Speaker 1: in the SEC for Lane Kiffin. You watch the game,

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Speaker 1: you watch the film. I thought, is he an anticipatory throw?

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Speaker 1: I thought he looked good.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 11: The issue that none of us know is what happens

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Speaker 11: on a daily basis. You know, we sit and watch

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Speaker 11: the games and we see some good play, some bad plays.

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Speaker 11: We just see the touchdown, which was a really good play,

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Speaker 11: by the way, because he saw the safety rotation pre

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Speaker 11: snap and he signaled to Humphrey on the outside to

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Speaker 11: change his route to convert his route to a fade.

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Speaker 11: And that was a really good play by Dart. A

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Speaker 11: mental play, and that's what you want to see from

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Speaker 11: young quarterbacks.

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Speaker 5: It's not so much the physical.

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Speaker 11: They all have physical ability, but you know, Dart, you're right,

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Speaker 11: he has a ton of college experience. You know, again,

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Speaker 11: to me, we're not there every day. I personally would

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Speaker 11: look to Dart, assuming he's done well throughout camp, I

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Speaker 11: would look to him as the starter, But we don't

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Speaker 11: know how that will play out.

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Speaker 5: You're right about their defensive front.

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Speaker 11: They've got a really good defensive front, Dexter Lawrence, who

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Speaker 11: will be back, so we'll see. But you know again, Dart,

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Speaker 11: there were some really good plays and what you would expect,

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Speaker 11: a couple of plays that I'm sure he'd like to

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Speaker 11: have back.

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Speaker 1: So cam Ward maybe the quietest Number one quarterback pick

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Speaker 1: in the last twenty years. Part of that is the

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Speaker 1: Titans are not a big brand. He's a quiet kid.

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Speaker 1: He's really easy to root for. Like Lamar Jackson, he

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Speaker 1: wants to win. It's all about football. His teammates like him.

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Speaker 1: They don't have much on the perimeter to help him,

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Speaker 1: so I don't look at him. I'm not going to

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Speaker 1: look at him this year and go, well, they went

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Speaker 1: eight to nine. It's listen, the kid has very little

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Speaker 1: to work with. We've got to contextualize this. He had

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Speaker 1: an eleven play drive. Did you see anything with cam

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Speaker 1: the tempo, the accuracy, the movement, what did you see?

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Speaker 11: Well, I've been around cam Ward because I was down

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Speaker 11: at Titans training cam and he is a very impressive kid,

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Speaker 11: and I got a chance to talk to him, and

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Speaker 11: one thing that really stood out to me just to

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Speaker 11: tell a quick anecdote when I met him, Fortunately, I

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Speaker 11: was set up beautifully by the organization as someone he

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Speaker 11: should talk to. And the first thing he said to me,

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Speaker 11: and I thought this was really impressive.

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Speaker 5: Colin.

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Speaker 11: He just met me, but I was set up beautifully

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Speaker 11: and he said to me, Okay, so what do I

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Speaker 11: need to work on? I thought that was really impressive.

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Speaker 11: He had just met me. But he's very impressive in person.

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Speaker 11: Now again his performance there was a third and five

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Speaker 11: on the first series where he went through his read

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Speaker 11: too fast. Okay, that's something you expect to see. But

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Speaker 11: he throws a really good ball. He's an impressive kid.

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Speaker 11: You're right about the team. There's really good give and

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Speaker 11: take between he and Jeffrey Simmons.

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Speaker 5: Because Jeffrey Simmons.

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Speaker 11: Knows that if they're to get to the Promised Land,

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Speaker 11: it's going to be because of cam Ward.

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Speaker 5: I would expect that he'll be a good player.

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Speaker 11: Now, the thing is, early in the season, they opened

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Speaker 11: at Denver, their home to the Rams. Then week four

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Speaker 11: they're at Houston. You know, this could be a tough

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Speaker 11: start simply because the Titans had some holes on their

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Speaker 11: team that need to, you know, be dealt with, and

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Speaker 11: they may not be dealt with year one. So I

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Speaker 11: think people are gonna have to be a little patient

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Speaker 11: simply because the team is not quite good enough at

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Speaker 11: this point.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, you know, I speaking of Denver, I

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Speaker 1: saw her. Bon Knicks they do this Mike Sando does

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Speaker 1: this quarterback tiers thing where he talks to fifty yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: And my only complaint was, I said, you know, bow

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Speaker 1: Knicks below twa. He's a better runner, he's healthier. I

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Speaker 1: think he's got at least his good arm, maybe better,

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Speaker 1: but whatever, we don't know a ton about Bonnix. When

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Speaker 1: I saw it, when I saw him ranked twenty, it's

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Speaker 1: my take was it was telling me that executives in

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Speaker 1: the league think very highly of Sean Payton, that he's

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Speaker 1: squeezing every ounce of talent out of this. Do you

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Speaker 1: believe the bo Nicks success is mostly at this point

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Speaker 1: Sean Payton, Well.

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Speaker 11: You know, I've always struggled with that, Colin. There seems

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Speaker 11: to be a sense that if a quarterback is well coached,

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Speaker 11: with a really good.

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Speaker 5: Coordinator and a really good scheme and a well.

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Speaker 11: Designed system, that's somehow a knock on the quarterback. I

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Speaker 11: don't really understand that, because that's kind of what the

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Speaker 11: coach is supposed to do, you know. And I think

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Speaker 11: that bo Nicks showed a lot last year with the

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Speaker 11: kinds of throws that he made. I mean, he made

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Speaker 11: a lot of big time throws between the numbers. He

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Speaker 11: showed more arm strength, quite honestly, than I thought he

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Speaker 11: had coming out of Oregon. I mean, you couldn't make

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Speaker 11: the same argument.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 11: I've spent a lot of this offseason rewatching a lot

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Speaker 11: of quarterbacks because I can really do that. I can

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Speaker 11: watch two hundred and fifty plays in a row, which

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Speaker 11: I can't really do during the season. I've just done

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Speaker 11: that with Jaden Daniels. And I think Cliff Kingsbury does

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Speaker 11: an outstanding job with his route design, really presenting clean,

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Speaker 11: defined reads for Jaden Daniels. Is that a knock on

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Speaker 11: Jayden Daniels? Are supposed to say Jayden Daniels isn't very

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Speaker 11: good because the offensive coordinator does a really good job

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Speaker 11: with his route concepts. Are we supposed to say Jared

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Speaker 11: Goff isn't any good because Ben Johnson's really good with

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Speaker 11: his route spacing and cleanly defining reads. I mean, are

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Speaker 11: we supposed to say Joe Montana wasn't any good because

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Speaker 11: Bill Walsh was really good. I think that's such a

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Speaker 11: silly argument. I mean, that's what the offensive coordinator is

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Speaker 11: supposed to do. He's supposed to present it so that

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Speaker 11: ideally the first read is clean and then you work

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Speaker 11: through progression concepts. So I don't really understand why that's

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Speaker 11: a problem.

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Speaker 1: So in that Tier one through five that Mike sando

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Speaker 1: Athlea at the Athletic did, there were a couple of

652
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Speaker 1: quotes about Caleb Williams and a defensive coordinator said it

653
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Speaker 1: was alarming to.

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Speaker 3: Watch his processes.

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Speaker 1: A head coach said it. That word was used more

656
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Speaker 1: than once. So you have said you love me Stocky.

657
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Speaker 1: He's strong, he's a power throat. When they say his

658
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Speaker 1: process is alarming and you've watched the same film, what

659
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Speaker 1: do they mean by that.

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Speaker 11: Well, that means he's not seeing the field with the

661
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Speaker 11: needed clarity. In other words, when you can see the

662
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Speaker 11: route concepts. I've been doing this for a lot of years, Colin.

663
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Speaker 11: As you know, there's not a thousand route concepts. So

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Speaker 11: I see the route concepts versus specific coverages. And when

665
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Speaker 11: you see it depends on the nature of the philosophy

666
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Speaker 11: of an offense. There's a lot of different ways routes

667
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Speaker 11: are taught. There's something called pure progression, where you're not

668
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Speaker 11: really worried about the defense. There's a primary, there's a secondary.

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Speaker 11: When the quarterback drops back, he looks to the primary.

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Speaker 11: If it's not there, it doesn't matter what the defense is,

671
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Speaker 11: you just go to the next guy. Then there's other

672
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Speaker 11: systems where you're actually reading the defense. You're reading whether

673
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Speaker 11: it's single high or two shell, or you're reading a

674
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Speaker 11: particular defender to decide where you throw the ball. So

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Speaker 11: there's different ways that pass is taught. But what they're

676
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Speaker 11: saying about Williams is he's not seeing that particularly clearly

677
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Speaker 11: at all. So throws that are there where the ball

678
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Speaker 11: should be released, he's just not seeing it the right way.

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Speaker 11: So he's holding the ball. He's not getting a clear picture.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 11: The term that's always used is processing. He's not processing

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Speaker 11: it the right way, and that's one reason why he

683
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Speaker 11: holds the ball.

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Speaker 5: The film shows that.

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Speaker 1: But what's interesting is that's always been my knock on

686
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Speaker 1: Zach Wilson and Justin Fields, and they've never gotten great

687
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Speaker 1: at it. I mean you can absolutely make a quarterback

688
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Speaker 1: more accurate. Not all Anthony Richardson has regressed. But there

689
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Speaker 1: are things in I don't care if it's broadcasting, I

690
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Speaker 1: don't care if it's in any business. There are things

691
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Speaker 1: that are solvable. But one of the ones that doesn't

692
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Speaker 1: seem to be terribly solvable is he doesn't see the

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Speaker 1: field well like Mahomes.

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Speaker 5: It's a great point.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if that's solvable. Is if you tell

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Speaker 1: me somebody that didn't see the field year later did.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, it's it's a great it's a great point, and

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Speaker 11: I would say the majority of coaches think that's tough

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Speaker 11: to solve.

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Speaker 5: And I'll answer it this way.

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Speaker 11: You can help a quarterback in normal down in distant

702
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Speaker 11: situations where the defense is a little more predictive in

703
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Speaker 11: what they do, the probability and tendencies tend to favor

704
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Speaker 11: the offense more than the defense. So you can help

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Speaker 11: a quarterback with your play calling on first and ten,

706
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Speaker 11: second and four, maybe third and three. But when you

707
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Speaker 11: start getting into a long yardage, pure pass situations, whether

708
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Speaker 11: it's second.

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Speaker 5: And nine, third and nine, now, the.

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Speaker 11: Defense very often has the tactical advantage and the quarterback

711
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Speaker 11: has to be able to see things really quickly and

712
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Speaker 11: really clearly, and at some point, if that can't happen,

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Speaker 11: then you're going to have a quarterback that's very inconsistent

714
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Speaker 11: and erratic in his performance. And I don't think we

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Speaker 11: could say one hundred percent for sure that Caleb Williams

716
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Speaker 11: can't do that. He's only going into a second year

717
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Speaker 11: and he's with a brand new coordinator. I mean, Ben

718
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Speaker 11: Johnson's essentially the coordinator. So we want to wait and

719
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Speaker 11: see on that. But if that starts to show up

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Speaker 11: more and more, then at some point you might say

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Speaker 11: that that's not solvable.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, Patrick Mahomes wins a lot of games

723
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Speaker 1: and they're not going to go eleven to zero one

724
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Speaker 1: score games.

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Speaker 3: But he didn't have a great year.

726
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Speaker 1: He had bad games, he had bad halves, he had

727
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Speaker 1: really bad series. He had a bad Super Bowl. Some

728
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Speaker 1: of it was lack of offensive line competency. When you

729
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Speaker 1: looked at mahomes struggles last year, did he develop bad habits,

730
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Speaker 1: was he relying too much on certain things? Did he

731
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Speaker 1: trust his own line? Patrick Mahomes didn't get poor, he

732
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Speaker 1: didn't get bad, but he didn't play necessarily well. What

733
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Speaker 1: did the film say on his regression, not winning regression,

734
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Speaker 1: but his mechanics or his performance.

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Speaker 5: Well, it's funny you.

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Speaker 11: Say that because every year, and I've had this conversation

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Speaker 11: with people in Kansas City, every year he does go

738
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Speaker 11: through that where he starts to lose his mechanics, because

739
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Speaker 11: that's sort of the way he naturally plays. Going back

740
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Speaker 11: to Texas Tech, you know, he's that kind of player

741
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Speaker 11: where he starts to drift, he starts to lose his mechanics,

742
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Speaker 11: and then they have to sort of rein him in

743
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Speaker 11: and get him back on track.

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Speaker 5: But last year, and I think because he just did

745
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Speaker 5: not have confidence.

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Speaker 11: And he would never say this publicly because he's a

747
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Speaker 11: class act, but I think because he just didn't feel

748
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Speaker 11: comfortable with that old lion. I think it took a

749
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Speaker 11: little longer for him to get his mechanics back, and

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Speaker 11: he didn't play with the same precision throughout the course

751
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Speaker 11: of the season that we normally see. But you're right,

752
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Speaker 11: it's not as if he's suddenly not a good quarterback.

753
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Speaker 11: It's just that he has to be rained in at times.

754
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Speaker 11: And I think the old line last year caused some

755
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Speaker 11: issues for him, caused a lack of confidence caused him

756
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Speaker 11: not to play from the pocket with the same and

757
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Speaker 11: I'll use the word precision again, the same kind of

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Speaker 11: precision that we've seen in the past. But it's not

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Speaker 11: as if his trade or his talent level has dropped.

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Speaker 3: Finally, we'll go back to one of the young guys.

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Speaker 1: And this has kind of been a theory of mine

762
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Speaker 1: for years, is that you would think, right that the

763
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Speaker 1: best quarterbacks in the NFL would all be from power schools.

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Speaker 1: They are five star high school guys. They go to Texas, Bama,

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Speaker 1: Ohio State, Notre Dame, and then they all go to

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Speaker 1: the NFL. But if you look at the history of

767
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Speaker 1: the NFL, they've often gone to cow in North Carolina

768
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Speaker 1: State and Miami of Ohio and Texas Tech and Wyoming

769
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Speaker 1: because that is preparing you for the NFL. Shaky old

770
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Speaker 1: lines have to carry, teams, have to make quicker decisions.

771
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Speaker 1: You don't get comfortable windows. So I do think as

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Speaker 1: the rest of us go to college to prepare us

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Speaker 1: for our work, it's the same in the NFL. You

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Speaker 1: think Ohio State would be better for you, but you

775
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Speaker 1: are very rarely in discomfort with Ohio State's receivers in

776
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Speaker 1: online So when I look at JJ McCarthy, he never

777
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Speaker 1: threw forty times a game. He always played with the lead,

778
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Speaker 1: he had great protection. And I've said I worry that

779
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Speaker 1: it's like these Alabama quarterbacks. He's not ready for the NFL.

780
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Speaker 1: Then he gets hurt and that sets him back another year.

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Speaker 1: So I do think the choice college kids make often

782
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Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily. I mean, Matt Ryan goes to a school

783
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Speaker 1: where he's going to throw guys open, he has to

784
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Speaker 1: be anticipatory because nobody's wide open.

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Speaker 3: What do you see that?

786
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Speaker 1: Is there anything about JJ McCarthy that you worry that

787
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Speaker 1: he's just not quite ready for this life of somewhat

788
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Speaker 1: duress and discomfort in the NFL.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and I'm not sure we know that.

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Speaker 11: I mean, I think you and I would both agree

791
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Speaker 11: that Kevin O'Connell is really really good in terms of

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Speaker 11: defining reads and throws for the quarterback. Look what he

793
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Speaker 11: did with Sam Darnold last year. So you know that

794
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Speaker 11: remains to be seen. But I imagine there'll be a

795
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Speaker 11: learning curve for JJ McCarthy. Obviously in college he did

796
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Speaker 11: not throw the ball a lot, but he's got a

797
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Speaker 11: good arm, a plus arm.

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Speaker 5: He's got mobility, He's got traits.

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Speaker 11: He's a good sized kid, so there are traits that

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Speaker 11: are there. I mean, even last year when he played

801
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Speaker 11: in the first preseason game and then he was done

802
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Speaker 11: for the year, I noticed an immediate difference in his

803
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Speaker 11: drop and set in the pocket from when I watched

804
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Speaker 11: him at Michigan, So I know. So obviously, Kevin O'Connell

805
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Speaker 11: through the off season as a rookie really worked with

806
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Speaker 11: him and really tightened him up in a lot of areas.

807
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Speaker 11: So you have to assume that that continued. But now

808
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Speaker 11: once you get into the regular season games, we'll see

809
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Speaker 11: he'll be under a lot of pressure.

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Speaker 5: They'll be duressed.

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Speaker 11: They've revamped their offensive line that often takes time to

812
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Speaker 11: come together, so we'll see. You never know the answer

813
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Speaker 11: to that question. Then it depends on how the games

814
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Speaker 11: are played. Is he going to be in games where

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Speaker 11: he has to drop back forty times? Can the team

816
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Speaker 11: be good enough colin where he only has to drop

817
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Speaker 11: back twenty five times? You know, there are so many variables.

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Speaker 11: It's not very often for a young quarterback. It's not

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Speaker 11: solely dependent on the young quarterback. It's the way in

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Speaker 11: which he's able to play based on the rest of

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Speaker 11: the team.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would argue he's got a top three left tackle,

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Speaker 1: a top two receiver, and a top three offensive head coach.

824
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Speaker 1: They Revambia line, and he may have a degree. He

825
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:21,359
Speaker 1: may have the best defensive coordinator in the sport. So

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Speaker 1: the truth is, before the season starts, he got the

827
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Speaker 1: keys to a really nice car.

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Speaker 3: He's not going to have to win by shooting question. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and I always have it brock Purty.

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Speaker 1: If you look at brock perty in his first twenty

831
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Speaker 1: one starts, when the team was younger and less expensive, well,

832
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Speaker 1: he was good. His last fifteen starts, he's he's like

833
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Speaker 1: six and nine or nine and six, and his passer

834
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Speaker 1: writing has dropped because now the Niners are old and

835
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Speaker 1: they've had to let Hafunga go and greet and the

836
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Speaker 1: defense isn't as good and he has to throw more.

837
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Speaker 1: So like brock Purty's opening into the NFL was like Dax,

838
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Speaker 1: there's a lot of comfort. Zeke O line was great,

839
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Speaker 1: des Bryant was a touchdown machine.

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Speaker 3: So I think JJ here's my hunch.

841
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Speaker 1: Is that JJ McCarthy, like brock Purty, will be able

842
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Speaker 1: to engineer a wildly smart and talented offense, they'll be good.

843
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Speaker 1: I think when you draft him that high, you want great,

844
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Speaker 1: but he should be at least capable.

845
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Speaker 3: Is that right?

846
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Speaker 5: But you make an interesting point.

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Speaker 11: Is brock Purdy's talent any different than it was a year,

848
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Speaker 11: a year and a half ago. No, there's other factors

849
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Speaker 11: that are involved, and with ninety nine point nine percent

850
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Speaker 11: of quarterbacks, those other factors often dictate, you know, how

851
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Speaker 11: a quarterback plays, or certainly how he's perceived. You know,

852
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 11: he hasn't changed in his trades. It's just that there

853
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Speaker 11: are other factors that impact how he plays and how

854
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 11: how the games turn out. And of course all we

855
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 11: do is look at wins and losses and then we

856
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Speaker 11: decide that that's what a quarterback is.

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Speaker 3: Right, Great stuff, Greg co sell as oles my man.

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Speaker 11: Appreciate it, Thanks, Kylen, really apreciate it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean, let's be honest about CJ. Stroud's rookie year.

861
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Speaker 1: He had Laramie Tunzel and they ended up hitting on

862
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Speaker 1: a couple of mid round wide receivers, and he had

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Speaker 1: Bobby Slowick at the time was like a hot coordinator,

864
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Speaker 1: and so generally rookie quarterbacks, I mean, Herbert had a

865
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Speaker 1: great rookie season in terms of he had Shane Stiken.

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Speaker 1: You know, he had Keenan Allen. So you got it.

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Speaker 1: For a rookie quarterback to work, you got to give

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Speaker 1: him something. JJ McCarthy has a top two receiver maybe

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Speaker 1: number one, a top two three left tackle maybe number one,

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Speaker 1: a top two or three offensive head coach.

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Speaker 3: That is a huge benefit. That is a.

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Speaker 1: Massive, massive benefit. Last year Caleb had none of that.

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Speaker 1: Left tackle was a swinging door coach, was defensive. Keenan

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Speaker 1: Allen was past his prime. DJ Moore was good, but

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Speaker 1: he was on his back or running for his life.

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Speaker 1: So JJ's got some of those brock pretty first starts gifts.

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Speaker 1: He should be capable. I don't see great, but he

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Speaker 1: should be capable.