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Speaker 1: Cool Zone Media.

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Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff.

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Speaker 2: You're a weekly reminder that when bad things are happening,

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Speaker 2: people try to do good things like kill Japanese emperors.

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Speaker 2: Because this is a rerun episode and we are going

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Speaker 2: back to the very first year of Cool People Who

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Speaker 2: Did Cool Stuff, I am showing you again an episode

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Speaker 2: because I think is pretty cool. It's an episode about

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Speaker 2: the Japanese anarchist women who kept trying to kill emperors

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Speaker 2: as there was a bunch of them. And this is

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Speaker 2: totally unrelated to anything happening now. Hello, welcome to it

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Speaker 2: could happen here the podcast that is my podcast.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: I'm your host, Margaret Kiljoy, and with me is the

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Speaker 2: Webby Award winning Sophie Lichterman as our producer, as well

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Speaker 2: as the actual hosts of the show, who go without

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Speaker 2: mentioning because I don't see any reason to include them.

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Speaker 1: Can that just be the intro to every episode for now?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? This is better than our all of our regular

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Speaker 2: introsh I loved that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So what are we talking about today? Also on podcast,

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Speaker 1: Garrison Davis and Christopher Wong.

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Speaker 2: Hello, Yes, so today we are we are talking about.

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Speaker 3: The sort of long and incredibly tragic history of Japanese anarchism. Well, okay,

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Speaker 3: I actually about this Japanese anarchism before World War Two,

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Speaker 3: because after World War Two was an entirely different story.

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Speaker 3: And as much as I love people in construction helmets

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Speaker 3: just like beating the shit out of cops with large sticks,

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Speaker 3: that story is extremely complicated. If you want to hear

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Speaker 3: me talk more about that story a little bit. The

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Speaker 3: third part of my Nobosuikikishi episode has a lot of

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Speaker 3: people in construction helmets with sticks.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, no, this is.

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Speaker 3: You know, okay, So the history of anarchism generally is

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Speaker 3: the history of tragedy, but even by by anarchist standards,

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Speaker 3: the history of Japanese anarchism is just an absolute welter

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Speaker 3: of heartbreak and loss. Out of all of the people

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Speaker 3: the non Russian anarchists is going to live to see

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Speaker 3: world the end of World War two, and he's Korean.

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Speaker 3: Every single other person is either going to be executed

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Speaker 3: So this is uh, this is this is an extreme

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Speaker 3: om bleak story in a lot of ways.

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Speaker 4: Good to have one of those optimistic episodes every once

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Speaker 4: in a while.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, I mean I think the.

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Speaker 3: Thrown down a well, well, okay, it's it's unclear whether

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Speaker 3: anyone got thrown down.

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Speaker 5: Awe.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I'm skipping ahead and I don't actually know.

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Speaker 3: We will get to the wells uh yeah, I I

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Speaker 3: also okay, So there's a lot of Japanese anarchists and

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Speaker 3: in Asawa U, Sakataro Stan, I'm sorry, we can't.

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Speaker 2: Cover all of them. And the ever think about the

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Speaker 2: history of anarchism in Japan that is weird is that

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Speaker 2: the beginning of the story predates they're actually being anarchists

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Speaker 2: that they are, you know, next to each other, and

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Speaker 2: especially in the eighteen seventies and eighteen eighties. This is

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Speaker 3: This is important again because Russia in this period is

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Speaker 3: like a this is like the hotbed of anarchism, right

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Speaker 3: like they're they're killed, they're killing the czar, They're they're

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Speaker 3: like in Japan. Bakunin is there for like you like

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Speaker 2: So he you know Muchinon's not this is when he

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Speaker 3: And then he somehow convinces like the American embassy or

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Speaker 3: Things, Bakunin ar But the most probably anarchists to spend

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Speaker 2: If he can get it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's it's pretty exciting. And he doesn't die,

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Speaker 3: which is sort of incredible. Oh well, I love that

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Speaker 3: for him, So he's still around. Yeah, this is very sad,

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Speaker 3: you know, well, I mean he he you know. Look, look,

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Speaker 3: this is this is the goal of Russian cosmism.

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Speaker 2: No is it actually cosmism?

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Speaker 4: I have no idea.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the cosmonaut people, yeah yeah, yeah, they bring back

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Speaker 2: all the dead people. Oh no, I don't know about this.

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Speaker 2: anarchist cosmonauts in like nineteen twenties Ussia.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so there, their whole thing was like, uh okay,

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Speaker 3: so they they they thought that the anarchists had been

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Speaker 3: you know, the whole thing was like they like they're

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Speaker 2: Wait, are you telling the truth to me?

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Speaker 5: This is all true?

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Speaker 2: This is this is just amazing. I've been trying to

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Speaker 2: fight for the Anarchist Necromancer League for so long, which

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Speaker 2: our slogan is raised the dead to fight like hell

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Speaker 5: That it's incredible.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, no, like, uh, the Russian cosmism, it's a

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Speaker 4: weird one cosmism. It's like a weird mix of like

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Speaker 3: It's part of my thesis that no one normal has

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Speaker 3: ever been involved in the production of a rocket like

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Speaker 3: I mean, yeah on the Soviet in and then there's

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Speaker 2: I have no counter argument there was that because there

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Speaker 2: was the guy who did all the multi stage rocketry,

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Speaker 2: the Nihilists who killed the czar, who built the bomb

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Speaker 2: that killed the czar. He like, when I talk about

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Speaker 2: this in my podcast, Oh, probably already listened to this.

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Speaker 4: You have a podcast?

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Speaker 2: WHOA Yeah, I really just I'm here. I'm gonna plug

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Speaker 2: this every like five minutes. This episode you can learn

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Speaker 2: about the bombmaker who killed the czar and his what

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Speaker 2: he brought to the world in terms of rocketry and

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Speaker 2: manned rocket travel. Anyway, please continue on what on WAT show?

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Speaker 1: Margaret?

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Speaker 2: Well, okay, is this podcast that I'm recording on right now?

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Speaker 2: When does it come out? When are you listening to it,

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Speaker 2: dear readers? Okay, Well, then next Monday you can listen

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Speaker 2: to cool people who did cool stuff, which is my podcast. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm so good at my job anyway. My job is

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Speaker 2: to interrupt you with please tell me more about the

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Speaker 2: cosmos and how they relate to Japan.

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Speaker 3: The cousm was actually nothing to do with this, unfortunately.

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Speaker 3: Oh okay, but yeah, but uh Lev uh Lev Meshnikov

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Speaker 3: like he also he like fights with Garibaldi to unify Italy.

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Speaker 2: He's just like all over the place.

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Speaker 3: But he's an interesting guy because Okay, so there's like

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Speaker 3: acty feudal revolution. This is the most successful social revolution

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Speaker 2: so maybe the audience doesn't either. Okay, So the Major

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Speaker 2: restoration is a thing that happens where so so Japan

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Speaker 3: Everyone has at least sort of ritied hard casts. But

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Speaker 3: hundred years and they bring him back to power. I

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Speaker 3: because I'm a hack of a fraud and a fraud.

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Speaker 3: I'm forgetting their exact slogan. It's it's something like it's

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Speaker 3: Okay, So Kuduko gets like a lot of shit from

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Speaker 2: So imagine that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, Cotico, I think like he's keyed

434
00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:10,399
Speaker 3: into things that the Marxists aren't, but like specifically about

435
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,439
Speaker 3: like about the power of nationalism, because you know, I

436
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,240
Speaker 3: mean like obviously, if if you go a bit later,

437
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:18,359
Speaker 3: it's like, well, all of these people who are like, oh,

438
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:20,840
Speaker 3: imperialism is the highest age of capitalism, and then all

439
00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:22,400
Speaker 3: of their parties vote to go to war with each

440
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:26,159
Speaker 3: other in will War one, Like you know, okay, Codico,

441
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:28,960
Speaker 3: I think like gets this because his relationship the socialism

442
00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:31,919
Speaker 3: and anti imperialism are like backwards from the Marxist right

443
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:36,480
Speaker 3: where the Marxists arrive at anti imperialism, like from their Marxism.

444
00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:39,119
Speaker 3: But Coutico like becomes a socialist because he sees it

445
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:41,159
Speaker 3: as a way to stop wars. Like that's like his

446
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:42,879
Speaker 3: big thing is he's in the anti war movie and

447
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,320
Speaker 3: he wants his wars to stop, and.

448
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:47,560
Speaker 2: That's the right direction to do shit. Yeah, you should

449
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:52,000
Speaker 2: do shit because like you don't pick the label because

450
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:54,679
Speaker 2: what's cool. You pick You figure out what you believe,

451
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:56,320
Speaker 2: and then you pick the label that fits what you

452
00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:59,080
Speaker 2: believe instead of the other way around. You know. Yeah,

453
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:01,080
Speaker 2: and you know, and it means that he's less sort

454
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 2: of like he's less dogmatic than like his successors, because

455
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 2: you know, I'll make because because he's he's working off

456
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 2: of his actual principles versus sort of like this like

457
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,480
Speaker 2: dictation stuff. And I mean he's he's he inc you know.

458
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:19,359
Speaker 3: Three, he publishes The s of Socialism, which is like

459
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:23,399
Speaker 3: this is like the first like socialist like book written

460
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Speaker 3: by Japanese person. It's like one of the I think

461
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:26,600
Speaker 3: there's maybe like one or two other ones that are before,

462
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,640
Speaker 3: but this is like the first big one and he

463
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,000
Speaker 3: so he's also like he's involved in founding the Japanese

464
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:35,480
Speaker 3: Socialist Party and then he gets like arrested and sent

465
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:39,200
Speaker 3: to the US and something happens when he's in the You,

466
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:41,760
Speaker 3: I don't know, there's I've seen like six conflicting accounts.

467
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:43,720
Speaker 3: Like I've seen accounts that say he joins he joins

468
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 3: the IWW.

469
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Speaker 2: I don't know. I've seen other people say he lived,

470
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 2: he lived in a commune, Like he definitely read ger Pocket,

471
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:51,679
Speaker 2: he like becomes an anarchist. Let's decide he did all

472
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:52,399
Speaker 2: of these things.

473
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, lived in a commune and tried to organize the

474
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 3: comedy with the IWW. Yeah, but you know, I mean

475
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,680
Speaker 3: this guy is a normal influential in history of Japanese left.

476
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 3: Like he is the guy when he comes back in

477
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 3: nineteen know six, he's the guy who introduces the concept

478
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 3: of the general strike Japan.

479
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, like he's.

480
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 2: The first guy to write about it.

481
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:11,400
Speaker 5: He's very cool.

482
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 3: He also like, yeah, you know, he starts pushing this

483
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:16,680
Speaker 3: and start this. He starts pushing anarchism as a direct

484
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,120
Speaker 3: action as like I said of like doing parliamentary stuff,

485
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:22,359
Speaker 3: and he translates like Kropocket's work in the Japanese. He

486
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 3: translates like the company's manifesto. He does labor organizing. He's

487
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 3: sort of like all over the place. And you know,

488
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,200
Speaker 3: like labor and the anti war movement are like two

489
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,639
Speaker 3: of the big currents that are adroucing anarchists. But the

490
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 3: other like big current that's making anarchists period is feminism.

491
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 3: Because okay, so I stop me if this is in

492
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:45,960
Speaker 3: any way surprising, but the late eighteen hundreds and early

493
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:47,920
Speaker 3: nineteen hundreds are not a time to be a woman

494
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 3: in Japan.

495
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 2: Really. Yeah, it's not a good time like anywhere.

496
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:55,320
Speaker 5: But it's not even now.

497
00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:56,479
Speaker 4: It's not the best.

498
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I will be improved.

499
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 3: I will say it's it's better than this. This is

500
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 3: like sure, like the major regime is sort of like

501
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 3: consultating self is as is consolidating itself. It gets like

502
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 3: progressively more like patriarchical misogynist. I'm going I'm gonna read

503
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:17,919
Speaker 3: from the book Reflections on the Way to the Gallows.

504
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 2: Which is this is a great book.

505
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 3: It's also a collection of Yeah, well so that's oh god,

506
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 3: I forget one of the Japanese anarchists Who's about to die?

507
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 3: Like that's the title of like a piece.

508
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:33,560
Speaker 2: That she wrote.

509
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:38,439
Speaker 3: And this book is like a collection of Japanese feminist writings,

510
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:40,400
Speaker 3: mostly from people who get killed by the state, because

511
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 3: that's what happens in your feminist Japan in this period.

512
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, it's bad.

513
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:47,359
Speaker 3: All right, Okay, So I'm gonna read the quote from this.

514
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:50,360
Speaker 3: In eighteen ninety two, the government forbid women to make

515
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 3: political speeches, and in eighteen ninety mayde it illegal for

516
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 3: women to participate in political activities whatsoever. Women were forbidden

517
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 3: to even listen to political speeches. The Police Security Regulations

518
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:05,399
Speaker 3: of nineteen hundred reinforce these strictures. Article five of the

519
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:09,159
Speaker 3: regulations prohibited women from forming any political organization whatsoever.

520
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:10,880
Speaker 2: Jesus.

521
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:13,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like that's like a level of restriction that like,

522
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 3: I'm not sure I've ever seen like that explicit level

523
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 3: of no, you can't do this.

524
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:25,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like it's usually implicit in a lot

525
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 2: of westerns.

526
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 5: Yeahs.

527
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 2: And then also, like one of the things that really

528
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 2: strikes sticks out to me about that is that I'm

529
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 2: so used to thinking about I think people tend to

530
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 2: think about like this like linear progress model where like

531
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 2: you go back really far, like all women and all

532
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 2: other oppressed categories had it terrible and then just slowly

533
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 2: gets better or whatever. But if they're passing these laws

534
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,200
Speaker 2: in nineteen hundred, there's an implicit it was a little

535
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 2: better before nineteen hundred.

536
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, it's very specially it's worse. Like so

537
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 3: one of the things with the eighteen ninety eight legal

538
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 3: coaches that like it literally just legally enshrines like patriarch

539
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 3: control the house holds, and this is this is this

540
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 3: is a massive reactionary shift in in Serve Jeopardese like

541
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 3: domestic and political culture. Like this is like that that

542
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 3: kind of patriarchal control of the household was like a

543
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 3: thing in some Samurai families, but like it wasn't a

544
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 3: thing for there's a huge number of popular classes like

545
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,880
Speaker 3: just that didn't exist and they just legislated into existence.

546
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 2: And like.

547
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 3: You know, I mean like the things that the things

548
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,680
Speaker 3: that they're applying here, like women need consent of their

549
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,680
Speaker 3: father to marry. It is for this another quote for

550
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 3: the book, what are the provisions held that quote, cripples

551
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 3: and disabled persons and wives cannot undertake any legal action.

552
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 2: Fucking hell uh huh.

553
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 5: Yeah.

554
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 2: So this is this is this is an incredibly reactionary state.

555
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 3: And there's also like there's a lot of sex trafficking

556
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 3: going on, like like actual like there's a lot of

557
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 3: people just being grabbed off the street. It's a it's

558
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 3: a it is a disaster, and it is into this

559
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 3: patriarchal mess that like several generations of Japanese narco feminists

560
00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 3: step into the most famous of the first round is

561
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 3: Connor Asukako, who's she's a socialist author who converts to

562
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 3: she's originally socialist, and she con vers anarchism, which is

563
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 3: like a thing that happens a lot in this period.

564
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 3: And she she's working as a journalist and you know,

565
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 3: she she's she's like she's just a very sort of

566
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 3: controversial figure. The government like hates her. So she meets

567
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 3: Kotoku and they have an affair. And this is like

568
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 3: one of the other things that keeps happening here is

569
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 3: there's a lot of like free love stuff going around

570
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 3: the Japanese anarchist circle at this time. And this this

571
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 3: has two consequence is one is a lot of men

572
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 3: use it to be really shitty and means there is

573
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 3: like there is a again, this is this is this

574
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 3: is this is the big like nothing has ever changed

575
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 3: the anarchist movement. There are so many relationship drama things nothing.

576
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 7: There are so many times this lat circle like like

577
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 7: there are two different times when the most famous Japanese

578
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 7: anarchists man and the most famous Japanese anarchist women wind

579
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 7: up in a relationship.

580
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 3: Uh it ends with it with them explaining the movement

581
00:29:58,000 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 3: and them both dying in prison.

582
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 2: Like this happens twice. Exact sequence happens twice.

583
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 5: It's not.

584
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 2: Like they're they're just they're just doing pollicule shit, Like

585
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 2: it's oh, they just the better mediators.

586
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, have that well, And I mean this is

587
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 3: this is the thing with like the Japanese Like so

588
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 3: the Japanese anarchist movement like has a huge feminist wing,

589
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 3: but like the men still.

590
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 2: Suck, like they just keep being bad.

591
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,959
Speaker 3: And so the other thing about this is that uh

592
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 3: Konosukoko is like enormously more militant than like almost every

593
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 3: any other anarchists that's alive in Japan at this point.

594
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 3: And so in nineteen ten, she gets involved with the

595
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 3: plan to assassinate the Emperor and this becomes known as

596
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 3: the High Treeson incidents, and the state like gets wind

597
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 3: of this. They arrest her, they arrest Kotaku, and they

598
00:30:56,520 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 3: arrest like twenty two other twenty two twenty two other anarchists.

599
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 3: Now like five of these people are like even tangentially

600
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 3: involved in this plot, but they this is okay, So

601
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 3: I can't say that the Japanese government only does this

602
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 3: to anarchists because they do this to fascist like once.

603
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 3: But like they do this thing where okay, So they

604
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 3: have a bunch of people that they want to execute, right,

605
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 3: So they find one person who's like an ideological figure

606
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 3: and they're like, okay, you're now in the middle of

607
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 3: this and you're the link between like this group and this.

608
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 2: Other group want to kill. This other group want to

609
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 2: kill the other group want to kill.

610
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 3: And so they convict uh like Chuosio and kind of Psygaku,

611
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 3: Like they all get convicted, they all get executed. Yeah,

612
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 3: and so this case is also interesting because there's a

613
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 3: bunch of people who the state like wanted to kill

614
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 3: but they couldn't because they'd already arrested. They'd already they

615
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 3: like this is like two years after like a mass

616
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 3: arrest of like half of the Japanese nargist movement. And

617
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 3: so they have all these people who are in prison,

618
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 3: and it's like even by like the standards of the

619
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 3: Japanese state, it's like, Okay, how are we going to

620
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 3: convict all of these people who have been in prison

621
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 3: for two years of trying to of like being a

622
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 3: part of this plot to kill the emperor that was

623
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 3: like organized outside of the jail. And so this this

624
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 3: is the thing that saves like a huge portion of

625
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 3: the Japanese anarchist movements, that saves it from literally so

626
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 3: like this the hydrogen incident kills like most of the

627
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 3: famous anarchists Japan, but it leaves like like a couple alive.

628
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,719
Speaker 2: And that's why they're alive because they were all in prison.

629
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 2: Oh god, wait, how are they going to kill the emperor?

630
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,959
Speaker 3: The plant didn't get very far. I think they were

631
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 3: trying to use a bomb, but the police got wind

632
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 3: of it like very very early, so they never really

633
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 3: got much like past.

634
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 2: The planning stage. This is a shame.

635
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, And do you know what else?

636
00:32:56,160 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 3: Never gets very far plast past the planning stage when

637
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 3: they're trying to assassinate the emperor of Japan?

638
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 2: Is it the ads because they don't know how to

639
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 2: do direct action because they're too immeshed in capitalism.

640
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 4: That is actually exactly what we were talking about, Margaret,

641
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 4: Thank you so much, and we're back.

642
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 3: I was genuinely trying to see if I could like

643
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 3: think of a company that had like tried to kill

644
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 3: the Japanese emperor, and I couldn't think of one. And

645
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 3: I was like, hmm, this says something about society.

646
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 4: This does. This is a real, real solid critique we

647
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 4: have here.

648
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 2: I really hope that ten years from now this all

649
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 2: seems very dated. You're like, of course someone major company

650
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 2: has tried to never.

651
00:33:51,840 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 8: Mind, one can dream, so kind of Skaku is dead

652
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 8: is also dead in this This means that it's time

653
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 8: for sort of like another generation of anarchists to try

654
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 8: to fill in the gaps.

655
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 2: Wait, so they're executed.

656
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they're dead, Like they just die and they kill,

657
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 3: they kill, they kill like twenty two of the anarchists

658
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 3: or something.

659
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 2: And I mean this is a this is a huge purge.

660
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:21,359
Speaker 3: The wind up executing just like there's just like a

661
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 3: like a sympathetic like Buddhist priest it's executed.

662
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 2: When is this?

663
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 3: This is nineteen eleven. Sorry, yeah, this is nineteen eleven.

664
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 3: And actually there's another ansty thinking about this kind of

665
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 3: Sukaku becomes the first woman ever executed by the Japanese state.

666
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:43,240
Speaker 2: She will not be the last, like oh.

667
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 6: Boy feminist diicon, Yeah, I mean equal rights, equal fights.

668
00:34:55,440 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 3: There's another like very influential Marco feminist who's emerges lightly after,

669
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 3: like just like in like nineteen fourteen, nineteen fifteen is

670
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 3: echo Noah. She's an egoist anarchist who eventually.

671
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:12,439
Speaker 4: Like, yes, finally, finally we bring it out.

672
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:16,400
Speaker 3: That's all I have to say about yes, But that's.

673
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 2: Like almost all I have to say. She she she

674
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 2: takes over the editorial.

675
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 3: Position of this this magazine called Bluestocking Magazine, which is

676
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 3: like Japan's I think she's like, this is like the

677
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 3: most important feminist magazine in Japan, and she takes over

678
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:31,399
Speaker 3: the editorial staff about it. And her work is really

679
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 3: interesting in a lot of ways because it just it

680
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 3: just straight up is contemporary feminism in a way that

681
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 3: like a lot of the stuff on this period isn't

682
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 3: like if if you go and read the arguments she's

683
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 3: having she's arguing that sex work should be legal and

684
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 3: that everyone should be able to be able to get

685
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 3: abortions because women should have autonomy over their bodies.

686
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like rule keep winning.

687
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:55,840
Speaker 4: Well, sometimes this.

688
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,799
Speaker 2: Is not going to end well for her, but you

689
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 2: know it doesn't end well for any of us on

690
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 2: a long enough timeline. You know, like all that matters

691
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 2: is the time of what were this time we are

692
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 2: gularly bad?

693
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:14,359
Speaker 3: Okay, fine, yeah, so yeah, and I think so she's

694
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 3: able to do this for like a year, and the

695
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 3: Japanese state looks at this it is like absolutely not

696
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:23,399
Speaker 3: and shuts the magazine down. And so she she gets

697
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 3: forced to move on to other things. And the other

698
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,399
Speaker 3: thing she moved on she moves on to is being

699
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 3: extremely heavily involved in the free love movement of course.

700
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, and and.

701
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 3: But also, and this is the thing that that's interesting

702
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 3: about this sort of period of Japanese anarchism is that

703
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 3: like the egoists are all also syndicalists.

704
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah.

705
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 3: And she's so she's like heavily involved in labor organizing,

706
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 3: and this is how she comes into contact with her partner,

707
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:54,359
Speaker 3: who she's like cheating on her imprisoned husband, who will

708
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 3: later form the Japanese Communist Party.

709
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 4: Oh wow, that is that's a lot of stuff happening.

710
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 3: There's the there's so much there's so much beef.

711
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 2: It's incredible.

712
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 3: There's there's so this like we haven't even gotten to

713
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 3: the wild part of this relationship yet.

714
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 5: Okay, which is so so okay.

715
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,280
Speaker 3: So she she comes to contact with her partner pushing

716
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 3: who will become her partner Osagi Sakai, who is like

717
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:21,720
Speaker 3: dating another very famous Japanese narco feminist who she stabs

718
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 3: him in the neck over the fact that he's multiple

719
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:24,919
Speaker 3: relationships at once.

720
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 2: So this is really a free love situation from her

721
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 2: point of view. Yeah, this is this is the thing

722
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 2: that keeps happening with.

723
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 5: Free love of this period.

724
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 3: It's like you gotta like, you gotta lay down, you

725
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 3: gotta make sure everyone's okay with everything.

726
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 4: They sure seem to the right things in theory, but

727
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 4: then they sure, yeah.

728
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 2: Sure do fall apart. Huh isn't that funny?

729
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 5: Yeah? And this too divides the Japanese.

730
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 2: But did she win, does she succeed? Did she kill

731
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 2: him or did he survive that? Okay, Yeah, I'm just

732
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 2: I have there's a special place in my heart for

733
00:37:57,640 --> 00:37:59,720
Speaker 2: split slit throats of patriarch.

734
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:00,840
Speaker 6: Yeah.

735
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 3: Anyway, so oh Saki is also very heavily volve in

736
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:10,359
Speaker 3: labor organizing, and he he's one of the guys who

737
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:14,840
Speaker 3: like turns anarchist labor into like a serious political force, which.

738
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:16,840
Speaker 2: Is maybe it's that they survived.

739
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, like it's probably not good. But all of the

740
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,720
Speaker 3: guys in this story like suck excepts.

741
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:32,240
Speaker 2: Do I haven't accept here. What about the Korean guy who?

742
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 2: Oh yeah we got to him. Yeah he's he's I

743
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 2: kind of like I think he's actually fine. Yeah, I

744
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 2: think maybe the end of his story gets weird. Yeah,

745
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 2: well real, we'll get to that in a second.

746
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 3: But yeah, so Osaya Sakai has like he has he

747
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 3: has this like fusion of like egoism and syndicalism, where

748
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 3: like the individual ego will be liberated through like collective action,

749
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:53,319
Speaker 3: but the goal of the workers movement is not to

750
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 3: just like end poverty, it's to like liberate the individual

751
00:38:56,600 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 3: and give themselves developments. And he's also this like incredible

752
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 3: fierce like like one of his big thing is that

753
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:05,880
Speaker 3: like he does not want intellectuals anyone your the workers

754
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 3: movements like.

755
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 5: Does not this so absolutely not.

756
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, and this is because like again he's been around

757
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 3: for ages, Like he becomes an anarchist around the time

758
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,879
Speaker 3: when Kotoku does like that's No. Six, So he's been

759
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 3: like around it. He's one of the guys who survives

760
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 3: the High Trees an incident because he was already in prison. Okay,

761
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:26,800
Speaker 3: all right, it's all he like he's one of the

762
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 3: people who like keeps the sort of flame of anarchism

763
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 3: alive after like they're Prussian nineteen eleven. But unfortunately for

764
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 3: him and for Echo Noe, they get caught up in

765
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 3: the Canto earthquake of nineteen twenty three, which is this

766
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 3: like this earthquake between Yokohama and Tokyo alone kills two

767
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 3: hundred thousand people. It is like it is like it

768
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:50,879
Speaker 3: is one of the worst like natural disasters. It's it's

769
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 3: really bad, and it immediately gets worse.

770
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 2: The state wouldn't use a natural disaster to try and

771
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 2: further its aims through extra legal means.

772
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:04,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, So okay, I'm gonna start with one of the

773
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 3: ways that the genocide of Korean people in Japan at

774
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 3: this time starts is so there's a bunch of Korean

775
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 3: workers in a long stur union that's been organized by

776
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,240
Speaker 3: this built and like leftist union guy named Yamaguchi Sakhaan

777
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:20,439
Speaker 3: and and Okay, so like they're in this long shot union.

778
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 3: There's this disaster they start doing virtually, they start going out,

779
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 3: they start taking care of the vivories, are giving people food,

780
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:28,399
Speaker 3: but you know, they're like waving red flags and stuff,

781
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 3: and the Japanese police lose their minds and are like,

782
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:35,359
Speaker 3: oh my god, they're the Koreans are doing socialism and

783
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:40,959
Speaker 3: they just start killing them. And they there's this whole

784
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,320
Speaker 3: thing about like there's these rumors start to like Koreans

785
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:45,359
Speaker 3: are raping Japanese women and it turns into this thing

786
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:48,720
Speaker 3: about like looting, and then like Korean malcontents are supposed

787
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 3: to be like overrunning police stations and the lynch mobs

788
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:55,759
Speaker 3: those also are mostly targeting Koreans, but they're also target

789
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 3: like if you're Chinese, if you're from Buku Islands, like

790
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 3: they're killing you. Two they kill two thousand Koreans in

791
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 3: Tokyo and another two thousand in Yokohama, and like two

792
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 3: thousand Koreans in Yokohama, that is half the Korean population.

793
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 5: Of the city.

794
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:10,359
Speaker 8: Wuck.

795
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:14,879
Speaker 3: And these people die like horribly, like because and it's

796
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:16,919
Speaker 3: not just like so that the police are actively hunting

797
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 3: them down. Like the entirety of Japanese society like remembers

798
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 3: that they really like killing people and they really like fighting,

799
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 3: and like, I mean, you have people like taking their

800
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 3: like ceremonial swords from like their ancestors who are in

801
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 3: the major revolution, Like they're taking their katanas and going

802
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,360
Speaker 3: industry and murdering people with them. Like people just like

803
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 3: have fish hooks and they're just murdering people in the street.

804
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 3: And this goes on for like, this goes on for days.

805
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 3: And one of the things that happens in this is.

806
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 5: Well, okay, so the one of the other things happens.

807
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:49,800
Speaker 3: In this period is that the Javanese government just starts

808
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 3: like arresting random leftist and executing them. Yeah, and that's

809
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 3: what was supposed to happen to knowe to Eato Noe

810
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 3: and Osaga Sai Kai. But they get arrested by a

811
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 3: squad of military police led by Mashahiko Amakasu who just

812
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 3: he just murders them. There's like conflicting stories of how

813
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 3: this happened. There's there's one version of it where like

814
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 3: he kills them and like their six year old nephew

815
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 3: and throws their bodies on a well. There's another version

816
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 3: of it where they get strangled, and that he strangles

817
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 3: him in prison and this is like a huge outrage,

818
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 3: but it's not a huge outrage because he murdered them,

819
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 3: but he huges outrage.

820
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:29,240
Speaker 2: Because he was supposed to wait for the trial.

821
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 5: I mean, and.

822
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, and this is one of the things that like

823
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 3: this is this is part of how like fascism comes

824
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:41,319
Speaker 3: to Japan, is that like he becomes a hero with

825
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 3: the fascist right, Like he goes to prison for ten

826
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:45,799
Speaker 3: years supposedly, but he only serves three and then he

827
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 3: gets out. He becomes a hero, and then he becomes

828
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 3: basically the head of like the the sort of fascist

829
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 3: secret police and the like mencharian puppet state. But on

830
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,720
Speaker 3: the upside, he when when Japan loses to worry, kills himself.

831
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:02,839
Speaker 2: So when I yay with the story I had heard

832
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 2: was the Throne in the Well story, and I remember it.

833
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 2: It stuck with me so much because the first time

834
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 2: I met anarchists from Japan. They gave me a zine

835
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 2: and it was like Japanese anarchist martyrs, you know, like

836
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 2: the martyrs of our movement or whatever. And I was

837
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 2: like looking through it and were all of these children,

838
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 2: and it just like really emotionally affected me that I

839
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:27,799
Speaker 2: was like, oh, y'all's martyrs include all of these like

840
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,280
Speaker 2: not like like literal like like six year olds and stuff,

841
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 2: because yeah, you know they came and killed not just

842
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 2: the grown up anarchists but the baby anarchists or whatever

843
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:40,720
Speaker 2: as well.

844
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:41,879
Speaker 5: I know that must have.

845
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 2: Happened lots of places, but it just it really stuck

846
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 2: with me. So whether it's true or not, the story

847
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 2: I heard was this story about the well and it

848
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 2: stuck with me. Yeah. I mean, like the level of

849
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 2: repression in Japan, like.

850
00:43:56,239 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 3: It's it's unlike anything I've ever seen that's not in

851
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 3: a country that's literally in the middle of a civil war.

852
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:04,839
Speaker 4: Hm.

853
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 2: Like they just they just like murder people like constantly. Yeah.

854
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 3: And then this is one of the other things, like

855
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 3: one of the things that starts the right wing like

856
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:17,800
Speaker 3: turn in Japanese society is when is when the earthquak

857
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 3: happens and the government is like like they're like the

858
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 3: police are being like, it's the Koreans. Need to go

859
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 3: fight the Koreans, and so they do and like I

860
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 3: mean yeah, like wait, they.

861
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:29,760
Speaker 2: Like blame the earthquake on the Koreans.

862
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:31,959
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, so everything is there's this fire. The fire

863
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 3: kills like sixty thousand people like it it consumes. They're

864
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 3: like they're they're the urban core of uh uh what's

865
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 3: the name of the city. Uh, the urban corep of

866
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 3: Yokohama just goes up in flames, like sixty thousand people

867
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 3: burn to death, and that's the government needs some explanation

868
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 3: for it. Yeah, but it's horrible. It's yeah, the government

869
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 3: needs some explanation for it. They're like, oh, we'll blame

870
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:57,319
Speaker 3: the Koreans. And then suddenly all of these people are

871
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 3: just like like the whole Jappan society just goes into

872
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 3: this total mobilization like kill mode thing and they just

873
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 3: murder enormous numbers of people and this and like this

874
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 3: has this normous sort of like like cultural affection, shifting

875
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 3: people back to the right and shifting people back towards

876
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 3: militarism because now they've like you know, like they've they've

877
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 3: tasted blood they've like they've gotten.

878
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 2: This sort of sense of it in it. Yeah, it

879
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 2: is brutal. And uh, before we go, we're gonna kill

880
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 2: off one more anarchist team. Can we kill off the

881
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:30,919
Speaker 2: other team instead? I? Unfortunately no, none of them die

882
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 2: in this story. It's the worst. All of the assassination

883
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 2: attempts fail.

884
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 5: It's so sad.

885
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sorry, that's all right.

886
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 3: I forgot how depressing this because I was I was

887
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:45,800
Speaker 3: remembering part two of this, which is this like absolutely hilarious,

888
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 3: kind of pointless like ideological battle over like things that

889
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 3: are kind of dumb, and then I forgot about the

890
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 3: first part of the story, which is everyone gets executed.

891
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 2: So the last person who we're talking.

892
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 3: About he gets executed is is Fumi ko Kanako, who

893
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:03,800
Speaker 3: is from Ko Kanko. So she she she's a nihilist anarchist,

894
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 3: but she's different from like everyone else we've talked about

895
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 3: today so far because when she's a kid, she gets

896
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 3: sent to live in Japanese occupied Korea, and so she

897
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 3: goes there and she gets like horribly abused by her family,

898
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 3: which leads to become like leads of her becoming a nihilists.

899
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:21,279
Speaker 3: But it means that like okay, so, like like a

900
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:24,319
Speaker 3: lot of the anarchists, like in Japan, talk a big

901
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 3: game about anti imperialism, right, and like they will do

902
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:29,360
Speaker 3: things like yeah, like they will go fight police to

903
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:30,919
Speaker 3: try to stop a warf FM mappening, but they don't

904
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 3: really talk to people in Korea very much. And from

905
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 3: Go Kanico was like the exception to that, because you know,

906
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 3: she she lived there for a long time and she

907
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:46,399
Speaker 3: she winds up marrying Pak Yol, who is a very

908
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 3: influential Korean anarchist, and they do a bunch of organizing

909
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:51,879
Speaker 3: they specifically like that they're their thing is they're trying

910
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 3: to like get they're trying to like ny the Japanese occupation,

911
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:59,800
Speaker 3: and you know, they're doing great work. And then unfortunately

912
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 3: the earthquake, she and pac Yol are and stop me

913
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 3: if you've heard this one before, They are sentenced to

914
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:08,320
Speaker 3: death for a supposed plot to kill the emperor.

915
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 2: Wait now, yeah, we already did this part. You're just repeating, Yeah, yeah,

916
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 2: they do it again.

917
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 5: This is the second time.

918
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 3: Like they just keep doing this, and this one it's

919
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:21,400
Speaker 3: unclear if there was actually a plot, and if there

920
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 3: was a plot, it's unclear to what extent Fumio Kanicoat

921
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:26,799
Speaker 3: was like involved with it, But while she's getting interrogated.

922
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 2: She's like, oh, yeah, no, like I hate the emperor.

923
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:30,839
Speaker 2: I was absolutely involved in a plot to kill him,

924
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:32,399
Speaker 2: Like I was making a bomb to kill him.

925
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 3: Also I'm an anarchist. And here's like an incredibly detailed

926
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 3: sketch of like all of the oppression in Japanese society.

927
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:40,319
Speaker 5: And I'm just gonna tell you, like.

928
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 2: The person she's like like the court examiner who's.

929
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 3: Like and am you know, there's there's an internal thing

930
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 3: that happens where she and Paciol are like are handed

931
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 3: pardons as like the sort of like mercy of the

932
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:55,280
Speaker 3: Emperor thing, and Paciol like takes it, but Hugo Kandako

933
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 3: like they hand her the paper and she tears it

934
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 3: to shreds in front of them, And it's so in

935
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 3: embarrassing that like the record of what happened is like

936
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 3: sealed until after World War two.

937
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 2: Because it was a big like it was like a

938
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 2: big media scandal, all of the stuff with them being arrested, right,

939
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 2: And I'm I'm yeah, yeah, I don't actually know more.

940
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:16,879
Speaker 2: But I watched a movie once there's a great movie

941
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:18,840
Speaker 2: about this called Anarchists from Colony.

942
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 5: This part of it, yeah.

943
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:23,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, and she yeah, and like yeah, it's just like

944
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:25,840
Speaker 3: whole thing. And like the government also kind of doesn't

945
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 3: want to assassinate them because it looks really bad that.

946
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 3: I mean, they've they've they've picked they've they've arrested two

947
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 3: random people who like have done nothing, and they're just

948
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 3: gonna kill them. But for mechanicals like no, like I

949
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 3: believe in the things that I believe in, and I

950
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:42,719
Speaker 3: will literally like tear up this part in and die

951
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 3: for it. And so she tears out the pardon and

952
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 3: so she goes to prison, and she lives long enough

953
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 3: to write like the greatest entry in the genre of

954
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:55,840
Speaker 3: a narcofeminist, a Japanese narcofeminist prison memoirs, which is an

955
00:48:56,040 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 3: entire genre. There's like multiple books because this it keeps

956
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:02,400
Speaker 3: happening and these people get arrested and set the prison.

957
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 3: It's called the Prison Memoirs of a Japanese Woman. It's great,

958
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 3: everyone should go read it. It's it's also shouldn't be

959
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:10,879
Speaker 3: depressing because her life sucks.

960
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 1: But.

961
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's it's good.

962
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:15,919
Speaker 5: Yeah.

963
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:19,319
Speaker 3: And so now having killed off the leading intellectuals of

964
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 3: anarchism again for the second time in a generation. You

965
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 3: would think that this would this would kill the movement,

966
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:27,720
Speaker 3: like I think, I think like ninety nine percent of movements,

967
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 3: Like if if you kill their leading intellectuals, like all

968
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 3: of them, like twice in like.

969
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 2: Twelve years, like the movement collapses. Yeah. That, but at

970
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 2: the very beginning there was the guy who said keep

971
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 2: the intellectuals away from the labor organizing.

972
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:49,840
Speaker 3: Maybe yeah, right, well, but this this is Yeah, the

973
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 3: incredible thing about this is no, it doesn't it doesn't

974
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:54,879
Speaker 3: kill them. They keep going like and they have they

975
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 3: have one last glorious, glorious and absolutely baffling hurrah okay

976
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:05,919
Speaker 3: of like infighting, extremely weird and funny infighting. Okay, So yeah,

977
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:08,360
Speaker 3: that that's what we're gonna be talking about next episode.

978
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:12,799
Speaker 3: All right, Yeah, is.

979
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:14,240
Speaker 1: It time for the plug of the plug?

980
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 2: Yes?

981
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:19,319
Speaker 1: Oh oh, Margaret, you have a new podcast I do.

982
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Speaker 2: It's about that.

983
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 1: It's on this very network, Cool Zone Media.

984
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Speaker 2: On this very network. I have my own podcast. Is

985
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:28,359
Speaker 2: it called Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff? And does

986
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Speaker 2: it I believe so? Does it come out on May second?

987
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Speaker 2: And is it produced by the webby award winning Sophie Lichterman.

988
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989
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Speaker 5: I think they do.

990
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