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Speaker 1: The John Nnick and Kenny Florian Podcast.

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Speaker 2: John Annick and Kenny Florian.

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Speaker 3: I fucking love them. I can't get enough of it.

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Speaker 4: That both the time, job, the cytopia.

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Speaker 1: I believe there a couple of absolutely self involved bullshit artists.

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Speaker 1: You're your hosts, John Nick and Kenny Florian.

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Speaker 4: Hey, sun Splash, Kenny Florian Today on the road, getting

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Speaker 4: ready for some broadcasting duties this weekend. If the challenge

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Speaker 4: for us today is to spend thirty minutes on Robert Whitaker,

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Speaker 4: we could probably do that after what we saw Saturday night.

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Speaker 4: It's great to have you with us. As always, we

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Speaker 4: never take your participation for granted. It's Monday, April nineteenth,

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Speaker 4: The Years twenty twenty one, Episode two ninety seven of

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Speaker 4: the Anakin Florying Podcast, Creeping up on three hundred Ken Flow.

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Speaker 4: It's great to see your smiling face, my friend. It's

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Speaker 4: a little late. So this is the version of me

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Speaker 4: that you get. I don't know what else to tell you.

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Speaker 5: I like the energy off the top, kid. This is nice,

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Speaker 5: but nice little main event we had this weekend. Energy

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Speaker 5: should not be an issue for me.

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Speaker 4: It is six thirty one pm Eastern Time, only the

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Speaker 4: third twilight prime time style episode of the anaicin Florian Podcast.

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Speaker 4: So where are you right now? Right now?

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Speaker 5: I'm in Atlantic City getting ready for the PFL later

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Speaker 5: this week, and got some nice.

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Speaker 4: Sun over here. Yeah, the view of the beach over

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Speaker 4: here to my left's nice. Cody, did you notice the

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Speaker 4: pregnant pause before he revealed location? He's like, wait a second,

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Speaker 4: I'm calling a PFL show. Everybody knows I'm going to

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Speaker 4: be in Atlantic City, so it's okay to reveal that,

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Speaker 4: all right, So let us begin with headlines, and we

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Speaker 4: will not short change Robert Whitaker, time permitting, we will

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Speaker 4: certainly get to Jake Paul and Ben Askron and all

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Speaker 4: of that noise for lack of a better words, certainly

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Speaker 4: I would imagine Longo has some thoughts on that. And

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Speaker 4: it is a fight for Chris Wyman, of course. So

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Speaker 4: Ray coming up here in about ten minutes, and then

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Speaker 4: all sorts of good stuff of the main event challenge

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Speaker 4: Odds Sharks Joe Osbourne with the pick to click. But

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Speaker 4: Robert Whittaker, I mean, could you not watch this guy

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Speaker 4: fight all day? Like I'm just gonna shut the fuck

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Speaker 4: up and let you talk about it. But he beat

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Speaker 4: a special fighter in Kelvin Gaslam as far as I

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Speaker 4: am concerned, you know, I understand that Gasoline became a

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Speaker 4: little bit of a one trick pony in this fight,

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Speaker 4: but Whittaker is the total package. He certainly looks ready

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Speaker 4: to challenge for a belt that he once had your

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Speaker 4: thoughts on largely. What was twenty five minutes of brilliance

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Speaker 4: from Bob Whittaker there over the weekend, It really was.

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Speaker 5: I came away extremely impressed by Robert Whittaker and what

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Speaker 5: he was able to do against Kelvin Gastolm, who is

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Speaker 5: one of the toughest guys in that division, and Kelvin

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Speaker 5: can really beat on a lot of different fronts, but

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Speaker 5: really was not able to get it done anywhere against

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Speaker 5: Robert Whittaker. Whittaker won the striking aspect, he won the

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Speaker 5: grappling aspect, you want, the wrestling aspect of that fight,

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Speaker 5: and was just extremely dominant and proved that he deserves

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Speaker 5: a rematch against Israel Atisanya and Whittaker showed a much

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Speaker 5: more mature approach, much more precise approach, and I think

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Speaker 5: that Kelvin would have given I think, you know, ninety

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Speaker 5: five percent of the guys in that division, an extremely

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Speaker 5: tough go. I mean, he's capable obviously of beating many

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Speaker 5: people in that division. I ultimately came back to hurt

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Speaker 5: that he for the fact that he was so aggressive

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Speaker 5: a loud Robert Whittaker to utilize his style with just

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Speaker 5: flair and precision and beauty.

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Speaker 4: What are performance? Sometimes when I'm watching KG, I think, man,

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Speaker 4: he's one big left hand away from the world title

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Speaker 4: or the signature win over a number one contender type.

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Speaker 4: So there's a whole different conversation about Kelvin Gasolon. But

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Speaker 4: Robert Whittaker, you know, to have rallied back, for lack

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Speaker 4: with three straight wins of such a high quality to

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Speaker 4: his words after the fight, there's nothing else left for

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Speaker 4: him to do but to rematch Israel at a Sonyi.

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Speaker 4: Even if he was somewhat of a reluctant number one

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Speaker 5: He really showed a high fight IQ here in this

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Speaker 4: His approach against.

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Speaker 5: Israel was very unusual, just you know, we typically don't

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Speaker 5: really more like a computer who likes to sit back, analyze,

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Speaker 5: And he did that extremely well here against Kelvin gastellm

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Speaker 4: He really is a five tool fighter. And we've talked

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Speaker 4: grappling and you know, even talking about being in America

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Speaker 4: you know, doing things on his terms, right had the

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Speaker 4: kid I think a fourth child. God bless him. In January,

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Speaker 4: a big win, change of opponent and everything else. Couldn't

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Speaker 4: have enough good things to say about Robert Whitaker and

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Speaker 4: I talked to about like doing it his own way,

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Speaker 4: and obviously there's been an evolution in him the fighter,

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Speaker 4: but he's done things his own way and still resonated

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Speaker 4: I think he's a very special athlete and Hall of

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Speaker 5: Yeah, no doubt about it. I mean we called his

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Speaker 5: impressed with his maturity back then when he was early

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Speaker 5: about his interviews and his approach. And this guy has

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Speaker 5: continued to evolve his mixed martial arts game. He really

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Speaker 5: now is fighting at his peak. I'm really excited to

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Speaker 5: see what kind of Robert Whitaker we get in his

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Speaker 4: Yeah. We called that epic UFC debut when he won

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Speaker 4: the Tough Smashes No was it Smashes whatever? It was

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Speaker 4: Maybe I remember back then his social media handle was

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Speaker 4: like Robert Whitaker nineteen ninety, back when we used to

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Speaker 4: be wowed by the fact that a fighter was born

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Speaker 4: making his debut at UFC two sixty one. Wrong Jew

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Speaker 4: wrong Jew is how I've been trying to like remember

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Speaker 4: coming up on twenty five when this kid's born, So bad,

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Speaker 4: cancel the rest of the show, Cody, all right, So

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Speaker 4: love Robert Whittaker. Of course, upstaged in some parts in

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Speaker 4: the headlines by Jake Paul and Ben Askrin. But another

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Speaker 4: signature win in a career full of them for Robert Whittaker.

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Speaker 4: So you got thirty seconds from me on at Asanya

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Speaker 4: Whittaker too, and how you might handicap and rematch before

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Speaker 4: I get your thoughts on where Gasolom goes from here.

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Speaker 4: I mean, obviously the first fight was not competitive. You

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Speaker 4: talked a little bit about the strategy, but again, this

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Speaker 4: type of winning streak I think will give Betters a

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Speaker 4: lot of incentive to back Whitaker in a rematch without

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Speaker 4: Asna your thoughts.

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Speaker 5: Well, listen immediately. I think that it would be a

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Speaker 5: very different fight. I don't know if he can get

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Speaker 5: he has a lot of different traits his reach, you know,

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Speaker 5: be a difficult matchup for Whittaker, but I definitely think

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Speaker 5: it would be a much closer matchup the second time around,

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Speaker 5: his opponents, I give him a much much better shot

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Speaker 5: the second time around.

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Speaker 4: All right, So as far as Kelvin Gaslam is concerned,

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Speaker 4: if I was a pro fighter, Kenny right, He's like,

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Speaker 4: where is this going now? This fucking idiot that I

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Speaker 4: to Kelvin gastolon and I talk about these left hands

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Speaker 4: maybe that's just the fan in me, but hashtag got

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Speaker 4: we called his UFC debut. You know, this is a

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Speaker 4: Kelvin Gastolum. You know, I think he's fighting up a

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Speaker 4: Every time I watch him, I feel like he's fighting

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Speaker 5: And you know, we have certainly talked about this many

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Speaker 5: one of the best middleweights in the world. But I

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Speaker 5: do think that he is undersized, especially when you look

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Speaker 5: you know, Whitaker was one hundred and seventy pounder before,

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Speaker 5: and he looked way bigger than Kelvin Gastolum. So yeah,

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Speaker 5: I do think that Kelvin, perhaps with some more discipline,

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Speaker 5: certainly packs a lot of muscle on his frame. But

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Speaker 5: maybe one hundred and eighty five pounds is where he stays.

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Speaker 5: But I think at this point he's got to be

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Speaker 4: It's a tricky thing because I know how much he

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Speaker 4: And again, Gasolum is top five at one hundred and

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Speaker 4: I just think it's hard to sort of navigate the size,

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Speaker 4: and it's not like Whitaker is an oversized middleweight necessarily,

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Speaker 4: But I don't know. I like Gaslam and It's going

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Speaker 4: to be a tough one for him, but we'll see.

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Speaker 4: Obviously he's coming off a win not all that long ago.

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Speaker 4: But again, I think it's a loss at four or

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Speaker 4: five if I'm not mistaken for Kelvin Gaslam. All right,

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Speaker 4: Coleman event was going to be Jeremy Stevens moving back

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Speaker 4: But I guess there was some heat on this fight

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Speaker 4: Imagine getting hit by Jeremy Stevens. Let plushed by him.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, put him and put him back in the holster.

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Speaker 4: And I'm gonna quench a hole in this Fu trucks.

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Speaker 4: Story ray long the John Nick and Kenny Florian Podcast.

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Speaker 4: All right, ray Longo is staring down the computer right now,

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Speaker 6: Where are you?

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Speaker 4: I'm at the gym.

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Speaker 6: I got it.

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Speaker 4: First tell here much more serious. So someone's going to

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Speaker 7: If you hear a lot of weird screams in there

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Speaker 7: I mean, like we have a boxing club over here,

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Speaker 7: and he's great even he's you know, always humble and defeat,

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Speaker 7: does a great thing with the kids. No, it's not

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Speaker 7: I mean, I don't care if this guy ever thought

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Speaker 4: There's a problem over you know, You're like, I don't know.

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Speaker 5: For me, it's upsetting Ray because you know, in a way,

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Speaker 5: It is a fight at the end of the day,

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Speaker 5: You can't go out there and compete like that. I

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Speaker 4: It was hard. Seriously take the guy down. What was

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Speaker 7: Like if he was a boxer, maybe you give him

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean he looked awful, but whatever.

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Speaker 4: Now that's off the Frank. I thought he did a

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Speaker 4: I will say that Ken FLSs just looking at me like,

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Speaker 4: You know anyway, well, hang on, hang on, here's the

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Speaker 4: ask striker at all.

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Speaker 7: It's kind of apples and oranges and let let's let's

435
00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:55,920
Speaker 7: admit one thing. Those guys meet on the street, Jake

436
00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:58,320
Speaker 7: Pole gets the shit beat out of them. He gets taken,

437
00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:01,240
Speaker 7: but there's nothing he can do about it, and he

438
00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:02,960
Speaker 7: gets mulled on the bottom.

439
00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:04,879
Speaker 4: You know what I mean. So, but this was a

440
00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:06,320
Speaker 4: boxing matching match.

441
00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:08,199
Speaker 7: I mean, I was like, how do they think this

442
00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:11,440
Speaker 7: guy's gonna win? He he never had punching power ever.

443
00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:14,600
Speaker 7: I just I was confused.

444
00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:16,600
Speaker 4: I was like, I don't even know why this is happening,

445
00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:19,200
Speaker 4: but crazy crazy.

446
00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:23,120
Speaker 7: I almost felt like that whole event is a microcosm

447
00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:25,639
Speaker 7: of what all country looks like today. I swear to gods,

448
00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:29,600
Speaker 7: like a joke, really not seriously, like, what in the

449
00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:30,760
Speaker 7: hell wire we looking at it?

450
00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:33,440
Speaker 6: I really have no idea yet.

451
00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:36,000
Speaker 5: I had someone from it the internet just threw up

452
00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:39,760
Speaker 5: on a stream that it was just like this streaming.

453
00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:43,960
Speaker 4: Event just threw up. I had someone from Team Florian

454
00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:46,680
Speaker 4: call me today and he would not stop talking about

455
00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:49,400
Speaker 4: a prime Kenny Florian just jabbing this kid to death

456
00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:51,840
Speaker 4: and then just popping his head off, you know, because

457
00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:54,080
Speaker 4: I can from a move up to one ninety and

458
00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:57,840
Speaker 4: smoke that cat. And boxing was his second best discipline.

459
00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:02,000
Speaker 4: So listen, listen here, here's here's the thing, Askrin.

460
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Speaker 5: You know, I think that no matter what it is,

461
00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:07,920
Speaker 5: you have to take a certain amount of pride in yourself.

462
00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:11,359
Speaker 4: And I think that he put himself in a horrible spot. Man.

463
00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:15,280
Speaker 5: You know, you're a professional fighter, you're former professional fighter.

464
00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:18,600
Speaker 5: He was considered one of the best walt weights in

465
00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:21,320
Speaker 5: the world at one point in mixed martial arts.

466
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Speaker 4: And he's gone.

467
00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:26,080
Speaker 5: You know, you look at his last three four performances.

468
00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:30,199
Speaker 5: You know, talk about going from the top all the

469
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Speaker 5: way to the bottom and now kind of turning yourself into,

470
00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:35,480
Speaker 5: you know, going from one of the best wealth weights

471
00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:38,000
Speaker 5: in the world to now being a joke. I hate

472
00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:40,680
Speaker 5: seeing that. I hate seeing it when guys just don't

473
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Speaker 5: respect themselves and don't respect their own legacy and don't

474
00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:46,200
Speaker 5: respect the sports to a certain extent, whether it's a

475
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,679
Speaker 5: guy that's staying in the game way too long and

476
00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:51,919
Speaker 5: getting knocked out one after another and letting, you know,

477
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,120
Speaker 5: newcomers come and just beat the hell.

478
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,600
Speaker 4: Out of them. It's not cool. It's not cool for them.

479
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Speaker 5: I don't like to see it, and especially guys who

480
00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:02,560
Speaker 5: have you know, been world champions, have been at the

481
00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:03,399
Speaker 5: top of the sport.

482
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Speaker 4: I don't think.

483
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:07,760
Speaker 5: I don't think it's the way you know, they should

484
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Speaker 5: be portrayed, you know whatever.

485
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:12,520
Speaker 4: I can't control that, but it's a shame and I.

486
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:13,680
Speaker 7: Think we got to get rid of it. This is

487
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:17,600
Speaker 7: just selling your soul for money. Yeah, I don't know, man.

488
00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:20,160
Speaker 7: I hope it was worth it to him, right, you.

489
00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 4: Know, No, his son's right, his son satan one day,

490
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:25,520
Speaker 4: like sitting there at Duke where it costs like eighty

491
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:27,560
Speaker 4: two thousands of year, he's gonna be like, my tuition

492
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:30,680
Speaker 4: was paid for by that when my dad fought Jake Paul,

493
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:32,920
Speaker 4: you know, and Ben. He don't give a shit, right

494
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:35,400
Speaker 4: with all the bitcoin, he'll be fine, But he'll say

495
00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:37,720
Speaker 4: to his son like, look, son, you know, like back

496
00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:40,280
Speaker 4: then your mom and I walk back to the locker

497
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:43,280
Speaker 4: room laughing, because one point two million was being dropped

498
00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:45,160
Speaker 4: into our bank account. But I agree with you, Ray,

499
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:47,160
Speaker 4: like I think a lot of us are are put

500
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Speaker 4: off by this to whatever degree, defending MMA to whatever

501
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:55,160
Speaker 4: degree I'm talking literally though, to your point, Ray, there

502
00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:57,600
Speaker 4: are plenty of if Jake, if Jake Paul really wants

503
00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:01,719
Speaker 4: a challenge in the boxing realm, plenty of boxers that

504
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:04,280
Speaker 4: would fit the mole, that would be favored to beat him.

505
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 4: The question is who can move the needle right, Like,

506
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:09,160
Speaker 4: who can move the needle enough to get the fight? Kenny,

507
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:12,440
Speaker 4: like Tyron Woodley has injected himself into this whole situation,

508
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,640
Speaker 4: and I think he's a five six to one favorite,

509
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:17,600
Speaker 4: if not bigger against Jake Paul. And Jake Paul is

510
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:21,119
Speaker 4: not going to take that fight, so probably, right, I

511
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:21,480
Speaker 4: don't know.

512
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:24,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean then you hear everyone else is coming

513
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:26,520
Speaker 5: out of the woodwork. Now it's like all these other

514
00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:29,600
Speaker 5: guys that are like retired MMA fighters are coming out.

515
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:32,199
Speaker 4: Of the world. You're like, no, I don't know, it's

516
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:34,720
Speaker 4: all right, BJ Penn, God love him, right, but it's

517
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:36,880
Speaker 4: like we're gonna throw a weird n in there right now,

518
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 4: you know. Yeah, he would be an Humberdult. Yeah, it's

519
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 4: not going to stop for a while.

520
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:44,920
Speaker 7: Either it's actually not going to stop because I guess

521
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:46,760
Speaker 7: everybody loves to see a train wreck.

522
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:50,080
Speaker 6: I don't know, but it's not. I don't see it stopping.

523
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:54,520
Speaker 7: They'll get a couple of more uh you know, shows

524
00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:55,640
Speaker 7: out of it, and then maybe.

525
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:56,480
Speaker 4: P he'll die off.

526
00:24:56,480 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 7: But what a complete what a horror show, even the production,

527
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 7: what a piece of ship. That was Holy crap, I

528
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,720
Speaker 7: don't even just it was tough. It was really tough man,

529
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 7: poor Al Bernstein boy. And one of the best boxing

530
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:14,920
Speaker 7: commentated is a play by player.

531
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:16,120
Speaker 4: He had to sit up.

532
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:20,679
Speaker 7: There and fucking snoop dogs blowing fucking weed in his face.

533
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:24,680
Speaker 7: They guys think, I mean, this is this was This

534
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 7: was hysterical.

535
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:26,120
Speaker 4: I don't know.

536
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 7: Meanwhile, John I figured out how I don't even know

537
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:31,880
Speaker 7: who the other guy was when he said, I don't

538
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:35,719
Speaker 7: really know much about what's going on, but that pillow hands,

539
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:38,359
Speaker 7: I mean even he could recognize it.

540
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 4: I don't even I don't like, I don't know which

541
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 4: guy that was.

542
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 6: That set up, but crazy crazy stuff.

543
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:44,880
Speaker 4: What else you going? Right?

544
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:45,240
Speaker 5: No?

545
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 4: I mean I took boxing lessons in two thousand and

546
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,159
Speaker 4: five and two thousand and six in Wooburn Massachusetts. You know,

547
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:53,120
Speaker 4: and I do know how important head movement is and

548
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,679
Speaker 4: how like move your like just move ahead a little bit.

549
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 4: Can we start there? Man?

550
00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 7: Look, look the thing with boxing and why I like

551
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,639
Speaker 7: to make my guy's boxes because you get used to

552
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 7: getting hit, and that's a huge thing. You have to

553
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,360
Speaker 7: accept the responsibility getting hit and there's no place to run.

554
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 4: You can't take a guy down.

555
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:11,159
Speaker 7: I think it's you got to make everybody box at

556
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 7: the beginning, because you it's going to breed a certain

557
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:16,680
Speaker 7: amount of toughness. I'm not looking to get anybody hurd

558
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 7: or ct. But if you're afraid of getting hit and

559
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,880
Speaker 7: you you don't know how to deal with punches coming in,

560
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:27,200
Speaker 7: you're just it's just inevitable that it's not going to

561
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 7: go your way because there's a lot of good attributes

562
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 7: that are built just on boxing.

563
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,639
Speaker 4: All right, Well, I don't want to delay you getting

564
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,479
Speaker 4: to the the senior jiu jitsu offering it long ago.

565
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 4: Why I'm an MMA that hits here at the top

566
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:44,639
Speaker 4: of the hour, So we're not gonna I don't know

567
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 4: if we have time to talk about Robert Whitaker.

568
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 7: With a masterful performance, I mean worst absolute against the

569
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:57,919
Speaker 7: killer man too, you know. Uh, and Gastom look like

570
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,399
Speaker 7: he really came out trying to push that action.

571
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:04,199
Speaker 6: He looked like he was he looked different, you know.

572
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,640
Speaker 7: But you can't hurt what you can't hit, right, And

573
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 7: like Whittaker's movement and the way he controlled the range

574
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 7: of that fight was phenomenal. So Gastolum, he wants you

575
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:16,920
Speaker 7: to go straight back until there's no more real estate

576
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,479
Speaker 7: than he starts unloading on you. This guy would go

577
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 7: back and then cut an angle and fight on his terms,

578
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 7: you know, interrupt them. And just a great, great performance

579
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 7: by Robert Whittaker against a super tough guy that look

580
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:33,879
Speaker 7: even with a minute left, you were still thinking Gastolum

581
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 7: could get him, you know what I mean, because that's the.

582
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 4: Power Gastolom has.

583
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 6: And talk about a guy with a cement head, Holy crap.

584
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,439
Speaker 4: And that guy, my gosh, man. So it was a

585
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:45,160
Speaker 4: great fight.

586
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:50,439
Speaker 7: I love Kelvin Gastolom, but you know, Whittaker really just

587
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:54,160
Speaker 7: did a just a masterful job with his movement and

588
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 7: it's just even his jab and he was in and

589
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 7: out and mixing up the cakedowns, just did.

590
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:03,639
Speaker 4: Just for the you know, a plus. Yeah, like almost

591
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 4: like a mixed martial arts tutorial, like an open workout,

592
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,399
Speaker 4: just showing off. And you're right about Gasolon. I mean,

593
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:12,920
Speaker 4: say what you want about him in terms of past criticisms,

594
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,200
Speaker 4: but he was in outstanding shape, you know, and obviously

595
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 4: put training camps on top of each other. Stepped up

596
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 4: here for the promotion and deserves credit and you know what,

597
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 4: for nothing else. Even if KG doesn't break breakthrough and

598
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,199
Speaker 4: win a UFC championship his fight without a sign, he's

599
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 4: going into the Hall of Fame. So he's going to

600
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 4: get one of those Hall of Fame trophies and jackets,

601
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 4: just like you know Clay Weed and Stephan Bonner and

602
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:32,639
Speaker 4: some of these other guys that didn't quite break through.

603
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:37,680
Speaker 4: All right, So when are you wheels up to Jacksonville?

604
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 4: Like what is going on? If you don't know, Chris

605
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 4: Wiman is fighting on pay per view this weekend. He

606
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 4: will be the appetizer leading into back to back to

607
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 4: back championship fights in this rematch with you Riyah Hall.

608
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 4: You're getting butterflies, man, I'm getting a little bit.

609
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's good, good feeling. I'll be there Wednesday morning.

610
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 4: Wednesday morning. Okay, So you got to fly through somewhere

611
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 4: I would imagine, or a straight shot to Jacksonville Street.

612
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 4: Oh you're in New York. Yeah, he's JFK wherever you

613
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 4: wherever you want in the world.

614
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 6: Pretty much exactly.

615
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 4: So Wednesday morning and then we, uh, I guess we

616
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 4: got to be COVID tested by eight pm. Is that

617
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 4: your directive as well? That I didn't hear about.

618
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 7: I thought it was going to be a little looser,

619
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 7: but I heard it's going to be just like Vegas.

620
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 4: All right, Well, I'm driving, I will see you there.

621
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 4: How's Chris doing? I mean, what can you tell me?

622
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 4: Do you know the betting odds?

623
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 6: I think he's like a plus one hundred?

624
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 4: Is that true? Oh you know the betting ads. You

625
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 4: are all goddamn over it. He has a slight underdog.

626
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 4: As we sit here on Monday evening, a fight, we guess, yeah.

627
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 7: Look, it's a it's an exciting fight. He sent me

628
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 7: to countdown specialist night. I think get goosebumps man watching,

629
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 7: you know, because even I think we've talked about his

630
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 7: fight with e roy Are in the Ring of combat.

631
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 7: It was one of those local fights that was had

632
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 7: the magnitude of of an Andersen silver fight.

633
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 4: For that type of promotion, and uh.

634
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 7: I remember that just like it was just today and

635
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 7: Roy Hull was considered a killer. I think he was

636
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 7: undefeated at the time, and uh yeah, Widman was just

637
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 7: Wideman was unstoppable.

638
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 6: He really was at that point.

639
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 7: I don't think anybody was going to beat him.

640
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 6: He just was that guy.

641
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 4: Man, he did good luck with him. He was mouling people.

642
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:25,479
Speaker 4: So mm so you'll be there. You'll be in the corner,

643
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 4: health permitting, and uh all right, man Man, Well that's

644
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 4: really all I got for you. I'm very, very excited

645
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 4: to see how this thing plays out. Your eye Hall

646
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 4: gets the red corner as the uh as the higher

647
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 4: ranked fighter, So plenty of time for you guys just

648
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 4: to sit there and marinate with fifteen thousand breathing down

649
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 4: your neck. I can't wait for these fans, man, I

650
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 4: cannot wait. You can't wait. I cannot wait. Can't Are

651
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Speaker 4: you vaccinated? I am partially partially vaccinated. Wait, pick and

652
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Speaker 4: shot you. No, we're not all the way home, Raymond.

653
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Speaker 4: We're walking into a hornet.

654
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Speaker 6: Please don't go, Please don't go, Joe, Please.

655
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Speaker 4: I I don't need me. Hey, maybe if my bosses listened.

656
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 4: Maybe we'll call in the reserves. But uh no, I'm

657
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 4: excited to be there. I'm excited to be there. I'm

658
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 4: excited to drive there. No airplanes for me, and uh

659
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 4: I'm excited to see you. Well, go ahead, go and

660
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Speaker 4: I missed you Saturday night.

661
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 7: Did you hear that Worston Hubbit fight when Dominic Cruz

662
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 7: said man Mark Montoya gave Worston Hubby great advice in

663
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Speaker 7: between rounds.

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Speaker 4: Did you hear that? I did not hear that. Only

665
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 4: it was a Montoya. It was another bold guy. That

666
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 4: was a little dog. Okay, I was trying, and I go,

667
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 4: I was. I almost takes it. I just let I

668
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 4: like busting I like busting his balls.

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Speaker 9: Man.

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Speaker 4: I don't know why, but no, that's funny. I was

671
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 4: fast asleep even during the prelim portion. I watched most

672
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Speaker 4: of the card in the morning. Jessica Penney getting a

673
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Speaker 4: big win back for the first time a long time,

674
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Speaker 4: Gerald Mershard getting a bonus, Tony Gravely as well, Whitaker's

675
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Speaker 4: teammate Jacob malcoun To getting a UFC.

676
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Speaker 6: Win his great fight.

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Speaker 4: That's a big one for him in Ourlovsky Yeah, decent, God,

678
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Speaker 4: decent cad. But you know, I'm focused on the championship

679
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 4: triple ahead of Raymond. We're down to thirteen fights better

680
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Speaker 4: than fourteen. So we're all systems go. We're undeterred, We're

681
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Speaker 4: ready to go, right, We're ready to undepared, undeterred. All right, Well, no, Earth,

682
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Speaker 4: We're undeterred. We're unfucking deterred. I have one homework assignment

683
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Speaker 4: for you. On Friday night, when you're sitting in quarantine

684
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Speaker 4: in your hotel room, is what you gotta watch. You

685
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 4: gotta watch ken fos PFL broadcast a hundred that goes

686
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 4: without you don't have to. That's no assignment. That's me. Yeah,

687
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Speaker 4: I don't know. I'm not trying to like help ratings.

688
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Speaker 4: But he might fight, Like I don't know if he's

689
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Speaker 4: gonna like go in there. You're still pushing him.

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Speaker 7: I'll tell you I Camosi's fighting, right. He calls me

691
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Speaker 7: the other day, asked me a question about something whatever.

692
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Speaker 7: But so he I go, when do you fight? He

693
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Speaker 7: goes to twenty ninth. He had to go out seventeen

694
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Speaker 7: days before, yes, and get tested every day seventeen days.

695
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Speaker 7: Like we're at the end of the day.

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Speaker 6: I don't even think they would do it at the

697
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Speaker 6: beginning of the virus.

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Speaker 5: Yeah's Atlantic City here, so there's a lot. All the

699
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Speaker 5: fighters have been here for like weeks. Oh I mean Kenny, Yeah,

700
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Speaker 5: I'm here right now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

702
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Speaker 4: I just got here. I got here today. Wow. So

703
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Speaker 4: are you going to be do you even know accommodation?

704
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Speaker 4: Are you going to be like around the athletes? Are

705
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Speaker 4: you going to be isolated? No? So I'm pretty isolated.

706
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Speaker 4: They have it all broken down.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so that's why you get to come in. Yeah,

709
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Speaker 4: I'm actually quarantining as you speak. Kenny said, yeah, I

710
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Speaker 4: need a I'm going to need a trailer.

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Speaker 5: You can you believe they won't Can you believe that

712
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Speaker 5: they won't pick me up in a car in my hallway?

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Speaker 5: I mean, it's ridiculous, It's horrible, it's ridiculous.

714
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Speaker 4: I have to look at people in the casino. I mean,

715
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Speaker 4: it's unbelievable. How long they're gonna put me on a

716
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Speaker 4: throne as I walked through? Anyway, it's going to be great.

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Speaker 6: What a what fan fit? When this guy hits the

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Speaker 6: micro Oh my.

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Speaker 4: God, I got someone's got to talk. I can't even

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Speaker 4: contain myself. No, we're very excited. For that it's an

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Speaker 4: ESPN two, ESPN plus, it's gonna be It's gonna be

722
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Speaker 4: ESPN plus, and then we moved to ESPN two. Uh.

723
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Speaker 4: But I like them in the middle of the format.

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Speaker 4: So all right, well, Ray and I will be texting

725
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Speaker 4: from quarantine. Maybe a little FaceTime with me and Raymond

726
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Speaker 4: and Jacksonville. But Ray, I will see you in a

727
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Speaker 4: couple of days. We wish you all the best sincerely,

728
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Speaker 4: and uh, I look forward to seeing you and Chris

729
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:32,359
Speaker 4: our best. We'll see in a couple of days, my man,

730
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Speaker 4: I definitely will you guys are the best. Man. I'll

731
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Speaker 4: see you in a couple of days. Be safe, man.

732
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Speaker 4: There he is, Ray long ago bringing it strong on

733
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 4: Jake Paul, and a lot of people are asking why

734
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Speaker 4: I even entered the fray on the whole Jake Paul,

735
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,760
Speaker 4: Ben askron thing. You know, it's interesting because I remember

736
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 4: back when Randy Cotur beat James Tony and the result

737
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,280
Speaker 4: was an eventuality. You know, he was going to ground

738
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Speaker 4: James Tony, who was so out of his world, and

739
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Speaker 4: pound him out. And I think Randy was properly priced

740
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 4: three four, five, six to one favorite, you know. And

741
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Speaker 4: I'm sitting here looking at this Jake Paul Ben Askron

742
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,359
Speaker 4: betting line. All, I'm like, what am I missing? What

743
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 4: am I missing? And I wasn't missing anything, you know,

744
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,439
Speaker 4: I just should have, you know, done the whole Max

745
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 4: bet thing instead of a little sprinkle, you know. But

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Speaker 4: my god, I mean, I don't know, with all respect

747
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Speaker 4: to Ben Askern, I'm just not sure what people were

748
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 4: expecting that he was going to do to win that fight.

749
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Speaker 4: Was he going to clinch him? Like, what exactly was

750
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Speaker 4: he gonna do to win that fight? You know? Yeah,

751
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 4: I don't know.

752
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,840
Speaker 5: I mean I was hoping that he would just be

753
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Speaker 5: able to withstand flurries and then kind of bring bring

754
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Speaker 5: the fight into deep territory and maybe see Paul you.

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Speaker 4: Know, tired at the end and he kind of rabbit

756
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 4: punch his way to be. But I don't know, you know,

757
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 4: it's just.

758
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 5: It was hard to watch man, and you know, he

759
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 5: has no business competing in a striking fight against pretty

760
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Speaker 5: much any Well that's so un that's the problem.

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Speaker 4: But right, that's the issue. Like when Jake Paul fought

762
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Speaker 4: excuse me, former NBA player Nate Robinson. You know, I

763
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 4: gave Nate Robinson a much better chance than Ben Askrin,

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Speaker 4: you know, because he was training in the discipline enough

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Speaker 4: for nothing, Like, he's an outstanding professional athlete with a

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Speaker 4: lot of gifts. And you know, like Kendall Gill, who

767
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Speaker 4: played for the Charlotte Hornets for years, is a boxing

768
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Speaker 4: enthusiast and has been trying to get the fight with

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Speaker 4: Jake Paul. That's the name that I would inject into

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00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 4: the conversation right now. You know, forget trying to isolate

771
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Speaker 4: a UFC fighter, you know, because you're not going to

772
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Speaker 4: be able to find the right balance of a challenge

773
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Speaker 4: and the profile right. Tyron Willy maybe would fit the profile,

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00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,360
Speaker 4: maybe would move the needle enough. I'm not even sure,

775
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:50,280
Speaker 4: but probably too much of a fighter to fight right

776
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 4: Tyron's knocking out Jake Paul right still, you have to

777
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:56,919
Speaker 4: find that middle ground. So it's Kendall Gil the guy,

778
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 4: you know. I mean, I don't know if Kendall Gill

779
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:01,720
Speaker 4: could cut down to a hunch ninety pounds, but super

780
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Speaker 4: disciplined guy. I just would like to see him fight

781
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 4: a boxer or a striker, you know what's going I.

782
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 5: Mean, are we gonna have to get Daniel Cormier in there?

783
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 5: I mean, Jake Paul talking shit to my boy DC.

784
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 5: What's up?

785
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:14,839
Speaker 4: Well I can get is one of those people who

786
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 4: might have picked Benjamin Askron to get the job done.

787
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 4: So perhaps that is the source of that ire. But

788
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Speaker 4: d C, I think respectfully declined. Maybe not even so respectfully,

789
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 4: DC would destroy him. All Right, it is time for

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Speaker 4: my favorite part of the show. It's the pronunciation of

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Speaker 4: the week. And Kenny, these nice to see you, Cody

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Speaker 4: Merrill rock in the brand new Boston Red Sox Marathon

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Speaker 4: style jersey. I mean, like they shipped to you, like

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Speaker 4: why they shipped to you first, no matter what, Like

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Speaker 4: these things hot off the press and it's it's in

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Speaker 4: your apartment.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean when you're an influencer like me kind

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Speaker 9: of you get free products, you wear it, you put

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Speaker 9: on your story a little bit, it sells product. I mean,

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Speaker 9: they didn't sell it for no reason.

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Speaker 4: So we have a lot of names that we could

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Speaker 4: have used on this card. We have several Chinese fighters

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Speaker 4: making their their UFC Debutschi Lang Wrong Ju and uh

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Speaker 4: there's one more, Who's u? And Leon Nah, Arianna Karne LOSSI.

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Speaker 4: We could have hit you with Kevin Nativy DoD I've

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Speaker 4: been practicing these all week. But the name we're hitting

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Speaker 4: you with for the pronunciation of the week for UFC

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Speaker 4: two sixty one, Cody Merrow is bantam way prelim UFC

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Speaker 4: Fight Pass dot Com. Kevin Nativy Dodd's opponent is whom

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Speaker 4: Cody hit us with it.

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Speaker 9: So my difficulty here is I can't roll my rs,

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Speaker 9: and I think that would really really help me out

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Speaker 9: in the situation. But Dina bat Guarrel is the fighter

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Speaker 9: that you're speaking of.

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Speaker 4: Let's hear. Oh my gosh, excuse me one more time?

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Speaker 7: What he what?

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Speaker 4: One more? Can flow? Any idea? Dude?

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Speaker 5: I'm okay, right, I could speak some different languages. I'm okay,

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Speaker 5: I can get by in some different languages. I can't

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Speaker 5: help you on that one.

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Speaker 4: No, you're selling yourself short. You are foremost authority on

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Speaker 4: these matters. All right, here's the deal. You nailed the

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Speaker 4: first name. And again, Cody does not listen to these files.

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Speaker 4: He's pretty gifted in the space. But it's Dana bot Gary.

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Speaker 4: We actually go bot geddy. Yes, you roll the R,

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Speaker 4: but it's not bot ged l, it's bot Getty. So uh.

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Speaker 4: But again, when I'm the guy, am I that's good. Well,

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Speaker 4: you know, at this point, I've called a fight involving

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Speaker 4: this guy, so you start to commit it to memory

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Speaker 4: a little bit. But it's going to be a tough night.

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Speaker 4: We have a step on Sekulch. I believe it is.

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Speaker 4: We've got a lot of different names that are gonna

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Speaker 4: be uh that are going to test us. Uh all right, Cody,

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Speaker 4: Well uh so, I mean, I guess you're two and two.

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Speaker 4: It was a tough one, but you you're two and two. Man,

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Speaker 4: you're back to five hundred.

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Speaker 9: Hey, I have a better record here than Ben Ascar

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Speaker 9: does as a boxer.

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Speaker 6: So he's one.

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Speaker 4: He's one, all right, UFC two sixty one Ousman versus

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Speaker 4: mosfeedal two. We have five predictions coming up. Let us

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Speaker 4: get to the main event challenge.

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Speaker 10: It's the main event challenge. Is how we'll do win

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Speaker 10: the main event Challenge to John Hannick and Kenny Florian podcast, All.

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Speaker 4: Right, Team Florian wins the week needed it five to four.

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00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 4: You'll take it doesn't really matter the magic. You're just

847
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 4: trying to chip away as you so often do. Overall

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Speaker 4: lead for Team Anecdotes forty eight to thirty eight and

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Speaker 4: joining us to make picks for UFC sixty one is

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Speaker 4: an esteemed podcaster and a pretty sharp handicapper in his

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Speaker 4: own right as well. From the Punchless MMA podcast on

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00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 4: social media at Punchless MMA, Dale Lippin as in put

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Speaker 4: your fucking lip in, puts your Copenhagen and in your

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00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 4: bottom lip. Push your lip in, Dale Lippin, It's great

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Speaker 4: to see my friend. How you doing good?

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00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:06,359
Speaker 1: I'm doing great, man. It's great to see you guys again.

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00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 1: It's like a reunion of sorts. Saw you a couple

858
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 1: of weeks ago, and then Kenny and I go back

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Speaker 1: a few years. So yeah, it's great to be back

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00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 1: in the mix with everybody again. Thanks for having me, man,

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Speaker 1: it's a great So.

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Speaker 4: I went on your podcast a few weeks ago and

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Speaker 4: I was immediately struck by your voice, so we're happy

864
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Speaker 4: to have those tones on the Anak and Florian podcast.

865
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Speaker 4: Question is how are you going to do against ken Fall?

866
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 4: And I'm really curious how you guys handicapped these three

867
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:31,360
Speaker 4: title fights, especially because two of them have fairly prohibitive favorites.

868
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 4: But we're going to start with the pay per view

869
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 4: opener in the light heavyweight division, Number thirteen, versus number six,

870
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,240
Speaker 4: twenty five year old Jimmy Krewe twelve and one overall,

871
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 4: he's four and one of the UFC Dale two and

872
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 4: oh with a couple of finishes last year. He's the

873
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 4: modest two hundred favorite here against the plus one fifty

874
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Speaker 4: five hunderdog Anthony Lionheart Smith, who of course has been

875
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,799
Speaker 4: there and done that, making his sixteenth UFC appearance. What

876
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:53,360
Speaker 4: do you think here about the pay per view opener,

877
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Speaker 4: Sir Jimmy crut and Anthony Smith.

878
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 1: I think this is a lot tougher out for Jimmy

879
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:00,120
Speaker 1: Kruth than the oddsmakers are letting it out to being

880
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 1: about a guy and Anthony Smith that's going to make

881
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 1: the walk professionally as a mixed martial artist for the

882
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 1: fifty first time on Saturday, And as we say on

883
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Speaker 1: our show, experience is the currency of combat.

884
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:14,359
Speaker 2: This is a big deal.

885
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:16,879
Speaker 1: You're talking about a guy that has thirteen fights going

886
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 1: up against a guy that's been there, done that in

887
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:22,399
Speaker 1: several weight classes. At fifty one professional fights, he has

888
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 1: fought the best of the best. I know people are

889
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 1: sleeping on Anthony because he's had a couple setbacks recently.

890
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:29,840
Speaker 1: But if you look at the caliber of opponent, the

891
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 1: strength of schedule, if you will. It's unmatched really as

892
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,760
Speaker 1: far as light heavyweight in middleweight is concerned, it's nothing

893
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 1: but killers. You put these guys against each other ten times,

894
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:41,720
Speaker 1: and I feel like this comes out fifty to fifty.

895
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 1: And that being said, getting that price on Anthony at

896
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 1: a fifty to fifty odds. The way I'm looking at it,

897
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 1: given everything that we know from skill set to experience,

898
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:51,919
Speaker 1: I think you really can't go wrong with a play

899
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,880
Speaker 1: on Anthony Smith here. I really believe this fight is

900
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 1: much closer than the oddsmakers have it.

901
00:42:57,560 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 4: I think you look at it with a smart approach.

902
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,439
Speaker 4: I mean, big win over Devin Clark for Anthony Smith,

903
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 4: Kenny by submission, and that closed out what otherwise was

904
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 4: a pretty challenging twenty twenty for him. You know, seems

905
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:11,320
Speaker 4: to be enough distance removed from that crazy house robbery

906
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:14,280
Speaker 4: where maybe that mentally is not occupying as much space

907
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,839
Speaker 4: as it did previously. I can understand why Dale sees

908
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 4: some value there. Jimmy Kruit's an absolute maniac approaching his

909
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:23,359
Speaker 4: fighting prime. Your thoughts on the light heavyweight opener here,

910
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 4: Ken Flip, You.

911
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 5: Know, I think Dale kind of broke this down extremely well. However,

912
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,280
Speaker 5: I think I need to go the other way because,

913
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 5: you know, I do think that Jimmy Crut is a

914
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 5: guy who definitely has a lot of very dangerous weapons.

915
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 4: I think that striking.

916
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 5: Wise, I think he's going to be the guy who

917
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 5: possesses a little bit more power. I think he's going

918
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 5: to be the faster fighter out there as well. But absolutely, well,

919
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 5: what did Dale say, experience is the currency for a

920
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 5: lot of fighters. I think that's a great line and

921
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 5: it's very true, and I think for Anthony Smith, this

922
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 5: guy has seen pretty much.

923
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 4: Everything in the octagon at this point.

924
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 5: However, I think that this is one of those fights

925
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 5: he can't necessarily use his ground.

926
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 4: Advantage against Jimmy Cruit either.

927
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 5: So yeah, for this one, I like Jimmy here. I

928
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 5: couldn't agree more with Dale on the odds. I think

929
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:23,800
Speaker 5: they're out of whack. I think you should be way closer. However,

930
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 5: I am gonna go with Jimmy Krue all.

931
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 4: Right, ken't flow goes with shock there and Jimmy Krute

932
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 4: as the minus two hundred favorite. Yeah, he listened to

933
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 4: Punchless MMA, That's what you're getting experiences the currency of combat.

934
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 4: See Dale, I listen, I don't appreciate sharing.

935
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 1: Listen, I will, I will gladly. We can co sign

936
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 1: that away right now if I hear it on broadcast, I'll.

937
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 4: Tell you right now. Hey, yeah, I might have to

938
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 4: actually find a way to work that in this weekend.

939
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 4: All right, midaway fight here, ken fl I'm gonna have

940
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:53,839
Speaker 4: you lead this one off. You're right, Hall minus one

941
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 4: fifteen Chris Wadman minus one oh five, so Hall slightly

942
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 4: favored in some spots. Whatever, As for our purposes, you're

943
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 4: getting Widman as the underdog. They met in twenty ten,

944
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 4: both fighters very green at that point in time. Hall

945
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 4: coming off a big main event win and finish of

946
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 4: Anderson Silver last year on Halloween. Widman is back in

947
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 4: the win column as well. Can flow. Big fight in

948
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:18,319
Speaker 4: terms of the middleweight division, and if Widman is going

949
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 4: to make one more run, he's got to have it.

950
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 4: Your thoughts on Widman and Hall here coming up in

951
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 4: five days.

952
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 5: Huge fight for Chris Widman and I think a lot

953
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 5: of the pressure is going to be on Chris here.

954
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 5: I think your eye Hall is fighting Chris at a

955
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,959
Speaker 5: very good time where Chris has been a little inconsistent

956
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 5: right with his performances. However, I do like the news

957
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 5: that he's feeling much better that perhaps a lot of

958
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 5: his injuries that he's been dealing with over the years

959
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 5: they're kind of behind him now. I think he's going

960
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 5: to need that to go against a much more motivated,

961
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 5: a much more mature, and a.

962
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,359
Speaker 4: Much more skilled Uriah Hall.

963
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 5: I think your Rye Hall is really coming into his

964
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 5: own and I think he's going to be extremely dangerous

965
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 5: on the feet. I think your Ayah is going to

966
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 5: be the more technical striker, There's no.

967
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 4: Doubt about that.

968
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 5: But I do think he has suffered against two things,

969
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 5: pressure and wrestling, and Chris Widman.

970
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 4: Does have that.

971
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 5: I think he has to be very careful of his

972
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 5: approach because you Ryah Hall isn't exactly the same guy.

973
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 5: But Chris can use pressure and wrestling to get the

974
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 5: win here.

975
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 4: I think he'll be able to do that. I like

976
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 4: Chris Widman for the win, so Dale. Uriah Hall has

977
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 4: had a lot of good influences over the years. Clayton

978
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 4: Hires has been a good corner man for him over

979
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 4: the years, but this alignment with Fordis MMA has given

980
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 4: your Ayah Hall, the team that he really didn't have,

981
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:44,720
Speaker 4: the training partners consistently that maybe he didn't have over

982
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 4: the years, and the head coach, the general safe sayou

983
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 4: that seems to be helping him mentally. Put it all together,

984
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 4: What do you think about this matchup in particular for

985
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:54,800
Speaker 4: your Ayah Hall coming up against Webman.

986
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 1: I think what I mean, you literally set it up

987
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 1: perfectly here, you know a lot of times. And I'm

988
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:02,399
Speaker 1: going to break this down as being respectful to both

989
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 1: these men as I possibly can, not being a mixed

990
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 1: martial artist and not putting myself in that position before,

991
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:09,800
Speaker 1: but both of these guys have a lot of mental

992
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 1: things going on.

993
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:10,880
Speaker 4: Right now.

994
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:13,319
Speaker 1: You're talking about Chris Wyman that's lost five of his

995
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:15,839
Speaker 1: last seven, and then, to be fair to Yourriah Hall,

996
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 1: he's a guy that coming out of The Ultimate Fighter,

997
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 1: had the whole world looking at him and just really

998
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 1: kind of, I don't want to say failed to meet expectations,

999
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 1: but kind of fell a little bit short every time

1000
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 1: the lights got really bright. There were even spots in

1001
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:31,799
Speaker 1: the fight with the with the Anderson Silvil fight where

1002
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 1: it looked like Anderson was keeping it very competitive and

1003
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 1: that Anderson might be able to harness greatness one more time,

1004
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:41,879
Speaker 1: and your Raiah was having those moments where the eyes

1005
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 1: kind of glazed over. He went into autopilot, and then

1006
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 1: he'd go in between rounds, you know, sayef would put

1007
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 1: him back in game mode and then he'd come back

1008
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 1: out and he executed very well. If you look at

1009
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 1: a guy like Chris Wiman, Wyman from a mental standpoint

1010
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:59,399
Speaker 1: always believes he's one or two great performances away from

1011
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:02,319
Speaker 1: getting back to the title picture, whether or not there's

1012
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 1: any accuracy to that. You know, matchmaking's funny sometimes, but

1013
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 1: if to your point, if he's going to rewind, if

1014
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 1: he's going to dial it back, or if he's going

1015
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:15,719
Speaker 1: to reset father times clock, he has got to beat

1016
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:18,320
Speaker 1: a guy like your Rya Hall. We've seen him be

1017
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 1: able to do that before. He's got wins over Anderson Silva,

1018
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 1: who won your Rya Hall was coming out of The

1019
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 1: Ultimate Fighter, was getting comparisons to and Anderson Silva. My

1020
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 1: concern with your Rya Hall betting him going into this

1021
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 1: is that this is a make or break fight as

1022
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:34,839
Speaker 1: far as career trajectory is concerned. He has to beat

1023
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 1: Chris Widman. You have got to beat a Chris Widman

1024
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 1: that's lost five of the last seven. If you're Chris Widman,

1025
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 1: you have absolutely got to beat your Rya Hall or

1026
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:45,880
Speaker 1: you're done. You're done in the sense that you're not

1027
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 1: going to get that many big spots. He got a

1028
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:49,879
Speaker 1: I don't want to say a layup, but he got

1029
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 1: a pretty decent spot favorable with Omar Akhmedov. He got

1030
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,279
Speaker 1: the decision win. You've got to go out there and

1031
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 1: show that you've still got it against a guy. To

1032
00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 1: Kenny's point, that seems to be entering that of performance

1033
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:02,319
Speaker 1: that we knew that he.

1034
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 2: Was capable of.

1035
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:05,959
Speaker 1: He's got to clip those wings and keep your Ryah

1036
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 1: from flying, and he's got to do it right now

1037
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 1: if he has any shot moving forward. I'm going to

1038
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:13,359
Speaker 1: go with Chris Widman here, which seems crazy. A lot

1039
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 1: of my listeners are going to be like, what the

1040
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:18,320
Speaker 1: hell is happening here? Why is Dale taking Chris Widman. Honestly,

1041
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:20,320
Speaker 1: I was on your Rya until I started talking, and

1042
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 1: I believe I just talked myself into Chris Widman.

1043
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 4: How about that?

1044
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 1: Based on the fact that your Riah has really come

1045
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:27,800
Speaker 1: up a little bit short whenever the lights are the brightest.

1046
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 2: Do I think he should win this fight?

1047
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:29,439
Speaker 4: Yes?

1048
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:31,839
Speaker 1: But am I concerned about the mental Yes? So I'm

1049
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 1: going to go Chris Widman here.

1050
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:35,400
Speaker 4: All right. I'm curious to see where that betting line closes.

1051
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 4: Ken Flow, I think you were on mute there, But

1052
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:41,239
Speaker 4: I do think that Kenny's pretty persuasive when it comes

1053
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 4: to he can. I was just that's exactly right. My

1054
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:47,280
Speaker 4: mind control methods are working people right, exactly.

1055
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 1: Here's the thing. I think Kenny has the best hotel

1056
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 1: WiFi I've ever seen in my life. This guy's in

1057
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 1: crystal clear four KHD. I can't. I mean, with respect

1058
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 1: to my co host Trey, he's not Ken Flow. This

1059
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 1: is this is not fair, man, God.

1060
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 4: And I'm sitting here looking at these accommodations. Thank god.

1061
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 4: I've been at a Holiday and Express for eighteen months.

1062
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 4: Where are they're putting these guys up?

1063
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 9: I know?

1064
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 4: All right, title fights the rest of the way, fellas,

1065
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 4: and we're gonna have Dale lead all three of these

1066
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 4: flyweight championship Valentina Chepchenko minus four hundred against Jessica andraj

1067
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 4: who is plus three hundred.

1068
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:20,839
Speaker 3: Dale.

1069
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:22,320
Speaker 4: As you know, we'll need the round of the method

1070
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 4: of victory. So if you look at the odds history

1071
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 4: for Valentina Chepchanko, she has been a larger betting favorite

1072
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:32,320
Speaker 4: for all four previous title defenses Jessica Ilis, Karmus Kitland

1073
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 4: Hukegi and Jennifer Maya. Andrage as credentials as it gets.

1074
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 4: I don't have to set this up for you, guys.

1075
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Speaker 4: Former Charawi Champ one of the most accomplished women in

1076
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 4: UFC history, wins in three different weight classes. Nineteenth UFC

1077
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:47,240
Speaker 4: appearance for Andrage, very competitive for last time out against

1078
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:50,400
Speaker 4: Caitlyn Shukegian of course with a win, and then competitive

1079
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 4: against Rosenami Unis to fight prior. I'm curious Dale if

1080
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:56,439
Speaker 4: you see any value at all on the Andrage side,

1081
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 4: and ultimately, which way are you going?

1082
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 1: I think if you're up on the night and you

1083
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 1: want to make a little extra beer money and finish

1084
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:04,400
Speaker 1: things with a bang, go ahead.

1085
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 4: And throw it.

1086
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 1: Throw a little spot on Deroge for my money. Though

1087
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 1: that she's on top, I would not touch her at all.

1088
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:14,719
Speaker 1: Chef Chenko, she's a fighter. She's in rarefied air here, right.

1089
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 1: You don't bet against Chefchenko until you see or lose

1090
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 1: we haven't seen anything that's going to give us pause

1091
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 1: short of Amanda Nonas to say this woman's going to

1092
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:26,920
Speaker 1: lose a fight anytime soon. If you're looking at Chefchenko here,

1093
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 1: you need to try to find a way to bring

1094
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:32,400
Speaker 1: that number down. Chefchenko by decisions a good play. You

1095
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 1: might think that she might get creative as the fight

1096
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:36,800
Speaker 1: goes on. Maybe Chefchenko by submission might be something that

1097
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 1: you're looking at, just to spice things up a little bit.

1098
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 1: Maybe the over under on rounds I believe that's at

1099
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 1: four and a half right now, Maybe play the under.

1100
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:46,319
Speaker 1: I really just think that you got to find a

1101
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 1: way to bring value to Valentina here, because I don't

1102
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 1: believe outside of a puncher's chance that Onrage really is

1103
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:56,759
Speaker 1: going to present anything that Chefchenko has not already encountered

1104
00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:59,239
Speaker 1: and handled. I don't want to say with relative ease,

1105
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:03,880
Speaker 1: but with relative she is unstoppable right now until proven otherwise,

1106
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:07,400
Speaker 1: much like Kamara Usman, until I see them lose spoiler

1107
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 1: alert for the main event. Until I see them lose,

1108
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:14,319
Speaker 1: it's going to be very hard to justify betting against them.

1109
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 1: So you got to try to whittle that number down Chefchenko,

1110
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:21,280
Speaker 1: you know, by decision seems like a viable play here.

1111
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 1: I wouldn't really go on draage unless you're feeling a

1112
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:26,400
Speaker 1: certain type of way with your money. We pride ourselves

1113
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:28,240
Speaker 1: in being a little bit more on the frugal side.

1114
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 1: I'd go Chefchenko by decision.

1115
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 4: That's me ken Fall Valentina Chefchenko nine and two in

1116
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 4: the UFC, those only two losses, as you well know

1117
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 4: to Amanda Nenez And it's amazing to think, and we

1118
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 4: oftentimes say this when Valentina fights, But if you go

1119
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 4: back to UFC two fifteen in September of twenty seventeen,

1120
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 4: one judge of score card is different. The whole narrative

1121
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:51,359
Speaker 4: of UFC women's history changes, right, And I still hold

1122
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:54,760
Speaker 4: chev Chenko in that goat conversation right there with Amanda Nunez,

1123
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:57,439
Speaker 4: But one judge of score card is all it takes

1124
00:52:57,440 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 4: to change that whole narrative. What are your thoughts, ken

1125
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 4: flowshev Chenko andrage and how competitive will this Women's Flyway

1126
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:04,920
Speaker 4: Championship might be?

1127
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 5: You know, I agree with a lot of what Dale said.

1128
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 5: I think this Shivchenko is the champion for a reason.

1129
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:14,400
Speaker 5: I don't see a whole lot of challenges out there

1130
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:18,759
Speaker 5: for you know. When this match was announced, I don't

1131
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:21,960
Speaker 5: know if it was an intuition or something, but something

1132
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 5: told me watched out for Androge. The way that she

1133
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:27,880
Speaker 5: matches up against Valentine. I think she poses some very

1134
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:33,879
Speaker 5: interesting problems for Shifchenko because in the clinch, sometimes Shivchenko

1135
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 5: will actually engage and try to throw her opponent. We'll

1136
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:40,839
Speaker 5: try to do foot trips, and she's successful more often

1137
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:43,360
Speaker 5: than not, There's no doubt about that. But Androge and

1138
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 5: the clinch is a completely different animal. She is extremely powerful.

1139
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 5: We know how strong her takedowns are, and sometimes Shiftchenko

1140
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 5: will scrip a takedown here and there and find herself

1141
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 5: on bottom. I don't think she wants to be there

1142
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 5: for too long a get someone like Androge. I do

1143
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 5: think she's gonna be able to whether that's storm. I

1144
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 5: do think it's going to be another schev Cheko decision here.

1145
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:09,319
Speaker 5: It may not be the most exciting fight, but I

1146
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:11,759
Speaker 5: don't see chevchek O losing, and I don't see her

1147
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:15,840
Speaker 5: losing anytime soon. She's extremely motivated. She's a martial artist

1148
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:18,959
Speaker 5: all the way to her phones. I think she gets

1149
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:20,360
Speaker 5: the win here. And retaints her title.

1150
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 4: I love the way you broke that down, both of you, man,

1151
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 4: And wouldn't that be something if ANDRAJ broke through and

1152
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:30,959
Speaker 4: joined that group of two division UFC champions, not simultaneous,

1153
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:33,359
Speaker 4: but a lot in front of andrag this weekend, all

1154
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:36,359
Speaker 4: right shawet title fight Jeongwei Lee minus one ninety five,

1155
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:39,360
Speaker 4: Rosanama unis plus one fifty five. This's the closest on

1156
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:41,799
Speaker 4: paper of the three title fights, and it is the

1157
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:45,719
Speaker 4: second title defense for jeangwe Lee, first since that insane

1158
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:48,040
Speaker 4: encounter with Joanna Young jcheck that I watched back this

1159
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:50,719
Speaker 4: week and again scorder for Yon jcheck that was March

1160
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 4: of twenty twenty. Thug rose out since the win by

1161
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 4: split decision over Jessica ANDRAJ. Of course, she was bruised

1162
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 4: and battered late dale, but did enough early to win

1163
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:03,680
Speaker 4: that fight. She has only fought once, respectively in twenty eighteen, nineteen,

1164
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:06,279
Speaker 4: and twenty and Noma Uni is still just twenty eight

1165
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:10,920
Speaker 4: years old. What does she have for the champion, Jeongweley?

1166
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:16,239
Speaker 1: I think she presents some unique challenges for Wayley. And

1167
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 1: you know, one of the things that she does really

1168
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:20,880
Speaker 1: well is she cuts angles and moves.

1169
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:21,840
Speaker 4: Laterally very well.

1170
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:24,800
Speaker 1: A lot of the people that you know, especially Yoanna,

1171
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 1: when she's coming at or when she was coming up Wayley,

1172
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 1: she was coming in, it was very much moving center

1173
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 1: or moving forward, moving backwards, and it was fifty to

1174
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 1: fifty exchanges. They would come in, engage in a fifty

1175
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 1: to fifty exchange and then back out and then come in,

1176
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:40,400
Speaker 1: and it was just like watching two rams just go

1177
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 1: at it over and over and over again. But Rose

1178
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:46,280
Speaker 1: moves very well laterally, she cuts angles, and you can't

1179
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 1: discount the coaching and the fact that she has the

1180
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:53,360
Speaker 1: big show experience. I just wonder if red Pill Rose

1181
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:56,040
Speaker 1: is going to be able to put it all together

1182
00:55:56,160 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 1: here against a woman like Jeongweley that really has shown

1183
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:04,440
Speaker 1: herself to kind of be indestructible in the ways that

1184
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:07,319
Speaker 1: Rose would need to get this fight done. We haven't

1185
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:09,799
Speaker 1: seen anybody really threaten her with submissions. We haven't really

1186
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 1: seen her rocked despite taking Joanna's best shots. So is

1187
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:16,160
Speaker 1: Rose going to have more power? Is she going to

1188
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 1: carry more power than Yoanna? She might have more of

1189
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 1: a submission threat, But my concern with Rose is that,

1190
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:25,839
Speaker 1: like all flowers, she tends to wilt the longer she's out,

1191
00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:28,840
Speaker 1: the longer she goes, the more things.

1192
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:29,239
Speaker 2: Start to happen.

1193
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 1: If you look at the Andrage fight, the first seven

1194
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:35,360
Speaker 1: minutes and fifty seconds of that fight, she was on point,

1195
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 1: using the jab, cutting angles, moving her head. She looked fantastic,

1196
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:43,000
Speaker 1: and then slowly the bruiser that is Jessica Andrage started,

1197
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:45,399
Speaker 1: the toucher started, The toucher started to wear her down

1198
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:47,759
Speaker 1: a little bit, and then Rose started to wilt. And

1199
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 1: then to your point, at the end of the fight,

1200
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:52,600
Speaker 1: she was battered, her eye was leaking, she was in

1201
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 1: bad shape. If that was a five round fight, you'd

1202
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:57,640
Speaker 1: be hard pressed to convince me that Rose was going

1203
00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:02,400
Speaker 1: to win that. So you take that that same analogy

1204
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:03,799
Speaker 1: or whatever you want to call it, and put that

1205
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 1: again in a prototype that is Jongwei Lee, and tell

1206
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:10,680
Speaker 1: me how she doesn't batter her despite probably dropping the

1207
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:14,040
Speaker 1: first round maybe two, but rounds three, four, and five.

1208
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:17,200
Speaker 1: I believe here solely going to belong to the champion,

1209
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 1: and I would look here if you need a round

1210
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 1: and method of victory. I'm looking for a late stoppage

1211
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:25,960
Speaker 1: by Jong. I'm going to go round four TKO.

1212
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 4: How about that round four t KO for Jeongwei Lee

1213
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 4: and again nicely done on the breakdown. Dale. Yeah, ken Fill,

1214
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 4: I just have so much respect for both of these athletes,

1215
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:38,040
Speaker 4: and I think we've all enjoyed sort of following Jongwei

1216
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:40,440
Speaker 4: Lee and her training habits from Afar, and you know

1217
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 4: how much Rose has put into this. Every time she

1218
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:45,120
Speaker 4: makes the walk, you know she's going all in chips

1219
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:47,360
Speaker 4: to the center of the table, leaving no stone unturned,

1220
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:50,040
Speaker 4: Ken Flow, I've been dying to know which way you're

1221
00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 4: going to fall on this title fight. Is it going

1222
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:53,960
Speaker 4: to be the favorite Jongway Lee or rosanama Unis in

1223
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:57,919
Speaker 4: the plus one fifty five range. I love this fight.

1224
00:57:58,240 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 4: I'm truly fascinated by it.

1225
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 5: I think it's going to be an intriguing one and

1226
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:04,280
Speaker 5: I think it's going to be a very technical fight,

1227
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:07,640
Speaker 5: and I think it has to be for Rosenam Mutis

1228
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:09,800
Speaker 5: more than it is for Jeanghuai Lee. I think jhanghwe

1229
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 5: Lee can brawl, as we all found out against Yanna

1230
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:16,000
Speaker 5: Young Kcheck. She can certainly do that, and she is

1231
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:21,000
Speaker 5: tough as nails. I think that she's going to have

1232
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 5: to find a way to get on the inside, and

1233
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:25,160
Speaker 5: I just don't think it's gonna be easy for her.

1234
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:27,600
Speaker 5: I think Rose now Munus is Jab needs to be

1235
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:30,200
Speaker 5: on fire on Saturday night. She's gonna have to keep

1236
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:34,960
Speaker 5: Jangwue Lee on the outside with jabs and kicks and movement,

1237
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:37,920
Speaker 5: and if Jangui Lee does try to get in close

1238
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:41,320
Speaker 5: and fire off those rapid fire combinations, Rose is going

1239
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:43,080
Speaker 5: to have to look for a way to clink her

1240
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:46,400
Speaker 5: up and possibly take it to the mat. And like

1241
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 5: Dale was saying, I think we haven't seen Jeangwue Lee

1242
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 5: really challenge on the mat. I think if there's someone

1243
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:54,960
Speaker 5: who could do it, it is definitely Roseenow Mutis. But

1244
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:57,920
Speaker 5: I think we forget how technical Rosenow Munus is on

1245
00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:00,320
Speaker 5: the feet as well. I think that if there's someone

1246
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:03,880
Speaker 5: who's going to be quicker with their combination, who's going

1247
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:06,959
Speaker 5: to be able to fire those combinations off and sting them,

1248
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:12,200
Speaker 5: it's probably Jangwai Lee. But I think we also underrate

1249
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:15,320
Speaker 5: the power of Nommunis to a certain extent. I mean,

1250
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:18,360
Speaker 5: she definitely hurt. You want a young j check uh.

1251
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:20,320
Speaker 5: You know in the second fight. We all know that

1252
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:23,720
Speaker 5: she obviously you know, knocked her out in the first,

1253
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:28,320
Speaker 5: But you know, I think that Rose is is a

1254
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:31,240
Speaker 5: developing martial artist. She's training all the time. She always

1255
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 5: comes back with, you know, new tricks. She's always coming

1256
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:36,920
Speaker 5: back a little bit smarter. I like Rose noam Unis

1257
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:39,120
Speaker 5: in this one by decision. I don't think it's going

1258
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:41,960
Speaker 5: to be easy. I could certainly see Jiangwai Lee winning,

1259
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:44,120
Speaker 5: but maybe it's because of a big.

1260
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 4: Rose noam Unis. But I'm going with Rose here, little

1261
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:49,720
Speaker 4: ada juice for me now watching that fight octagon side.

1262
00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:51,200
Speaker 4: All right, let us get to the main event. It

1263
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:54,320
Speaker 4: is Kamara Usman minus four hundred Jorge Game Brett Mosfvedal

1264
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:57,800
Speaker 4: plus three hundred for the undisputed UFC welterweight title. So

1265
00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:01,560
Speaker 4: last July quick back drop, mos Fiedal steps in for

1266
01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:04,640
Speaker 4: Gilbert Burns. I truly couldn't believe when I got the

1267
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:07,040
Speaker 4: text from my boss that he was taking the fight.

1268
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:10,200
Speaker 4: There were rumblings that maybe he wasn't well just an

1269
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:13,560
Speaker 4: absolute warrior. But Usman I think deserves ample credit as

1270
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:17,520
Speaker 4: well for the performance for staying focused in you know,

1271
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:20,640
Speaker 4: going from fighting to teammate to a grudge match type fight.

1272
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:23,680
Speaker 4: And I'm okay with with Usman wanting this fight again,

1273
01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:25,520
Speaker 4: not only is it the biggest money fight, but ken

1274
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:27,920
Speaker 4: Flow it seems like he wants a more decisive result

1275
01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:31,240
Speaker 4: and he only fought what will be seventy seventy one

1276
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:33,920
Speaker 4: days ago. Dale did Kamar Usman in defense in mid

1277
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:38,000
Speaker 4: February against Gilbert Burns. So Dale Lippin, you're on the clock.

1278
01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:40,880
Speaker 4: Who wins the main event and how do they get

1279
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:41,360
Speaker 4: it done?

1280
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:45,600
Speaker 1: To me, it's very hard to go against a guy

1281
01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:48,760
Speaker 1: that just fifty forty three the man he's getting ready

1282
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:51,880
Speaker 1: to fight again. That's very I mean, that's I usually

1283
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:54,920
Speaker 1: don't go as heavy chalk as we're going this, you

1284
01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:59,400
Speaker 1: know this show. However, if you look at what I

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Speaker 1: value as far as what I want to see out

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Speaker 1: of a fighter, you know, unlimited cardio, a strong foundation

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Speaker 1: in wrestling, and an ability to make things ugly when

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Speaker 1: it needs to be, in technical when it has to be.

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Speaker 1: Kamara Usman embodies those things and the move out to

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Speaker 1: you know, working with Trevor Whitman, that jab that we

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Speaker 1: saw again in the Gilbert Burns fight was something that

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Speaker 1: was a new tool that we have seen in a

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Speaker 1: developing fighter. What concerns me about Jorge Masvidal, who has

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Speaker 1: been fighting you know honestly, since I was probably in

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Speaker 1: high school and then has been around the block and

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Speaker 1: has a wealth of experience.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what Jorge is.

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Speaker 1: Going to add in the next you know, with a

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Speaker 1: full camp that he maybe didn't necessarily have skill set

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Speaker 1: wise going into this fight, right What new tool is

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Speaker 1: Mosvedal going to add that Usman is not going to

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Speaker 1: be ready for. If you look at a guy like Kamorrow,

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Speaker 1: he's still despite his record, still relatively young in the sport.

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Speaker 1: He can add new things, he can add new skills,

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Speaker 1: he can put upgrades on that game and make it better.

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Speaker 1: That jab is an upgrade that we've seen a guy

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Speaker 1: like Masvidal. What's Mazvedal going to add to his skill

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Speaker 1: set that Usman can't be prepared for this time? Can

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Speaker 1: you teach an old dog in Juree Masvidal a new

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Speaker 1: trick that will get Usman out of there? I don't

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Speaker 1: necessarily know that you can, and you can't discount the

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Speaker 1: coaching and the teachability of a guy like Kamar Usman.

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Speaker 1: What concerns me about him being so heavy on the

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Speaker 1: chalk side here is that he got cracked in the

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Speaker 1: Gilbert Burns fight. He was in trouble there for a

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Speaker 1: little bit, he steadied himself and then ultimately got Gilbert

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Speaker 1: out of there. One of the things that makes me

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Speaker 1: so nervous is when you have a guy that is

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Speaker 1: predominantly a wrestler and he gets a knockout victory. It's

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Speaker 1: almost like he falls in love with his hands and

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Speaker 1: that's what he wants to do. He's like, Oh, that

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Speaker 1: felt really great. I want to do that again, and

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Speaker 1: it sort of takes them out. So you add the

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Speaker 1: added component of the animosity that he feels towards Masvidal.

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Speaker 1: You have the fact that he's coming off of a

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Speaker 1: victory where his hands really never looked better, and you just,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't want him to get away

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Speaker 1: from what got him to the big show, right, Like,

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Speaker 1: just do what you did to make yourself a champion,

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Speaker 1: collect your check, and get out of there. I think

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Speaker 1: it's harder to dominate somebody for twenty five minutes than

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Speaker 1: it is to go out there and knock them out

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Speaker 1: in one minute. And if you go out there and

1334
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:22,760
Speaker 1: you completely blank him on the scorecards two fights in

1335
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Speaker 1: a row, you essentially kill Hora Mositol's title aspirations. As

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Speaker 1: long as you're in the division, nobody's going to want

1337
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Speaker 1: to see that. Again, you get fifty forty three twice

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Speaker 1: in a row, despite having a full camp or a

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Speaker 1: shortened camp.

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Speaker 4: It's a wrap. Man.

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Speaker 1: You're going to have to get a different champion there

1342
01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:39,320
Speaker 1: in order to make any sort of argument that Hora

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01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:43,240
Speaker 1: needs to be a needs to be in title contention. Again,

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Speaker 1: I'm taking usman by decision yet again, it's chalky as hell,

1345
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Speaker 1: But yeah, why not take that?

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Speaker 4: I don't know, I understand, and I'd imagine when we

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Speaker 4: talked to Joe Osborne here in a little bit that

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Speaker 4: he's probably going to be leaning towards that proposition as well.

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Speaker 4: Ken Flow, what do you think about this main event

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Speaker 4: and how different and it could be from what we

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Speaker 4: saw last July.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, listen, I think that Jae Masvidal is

1353
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:07,720
Speaker 5: going to be way more prepared, He's going to have

1354
01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:10,480
Speaker 5: way more energy. I think his weight cut is going

1355
01:04:10,560 --> 01:04:16,560
Speaker 5: to be way easier. All that said, All that said again,

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Speaker 5: it is hard to go against any other pick. I mean,

1357
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Speaker 5: one of the most consistent picks you can make in

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Speaker 5: all of mixed martial arts is Kamara Uzma.

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Speaker 4: By session against anybody.

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Speaker 5: So kamar Uzman his wrestling, his ability to develop, his striking,

1361
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Speaker 5: his consistency, his chin, his toughness, he already knows what

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01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:41,960
Speaker 5: to do against someone like the Jorge maz Vidal. He

1363
01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:45,600
Speaker 5: has practiced doing it already, and what he does as well,

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01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:50,160
Speaker 5: he can make his adjustments as well. However, wrestling all

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01:04:50,200 --> 01:04:55,280
Speaker 5: the time, wrestling, grappling in general, is extremely difficult to

1366
01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:58,959
Speaker 5: just get better at in three months, six months, a year,

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01:04:59,080 --> 01:05:03,520
Speaker 5: two years. Right, striking, you can make some pretty good improvements,

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01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:07,120
Speaker 5: you know, in three months six months in my opinion,

1369
01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:10,000
Speaker 5: if you're a good athlete and you have a good coach.

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01:05:10,120 --> 01:05:14,280
Speaker 5: But with grappling, it's just not like that. It takes years.

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Speaker 5: It takes years. And kamara Uzman has such an advantage

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Speaker 5: there that I think that it's going to be another clinch.

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Speaker 5: Get him up against the fence, take down, rinse, wash, repeat.

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Speaker 5: Kamara Uzman by decision. I love Jorge Masvidal following his

1375
01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:32,919
Speaker 5: career since the very beginning, since before he was even

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01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:35,760
Speaker 5: in the UFC, But I just think this is one

1377
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Speaker 5: of those matchups that's always going to be difficult for him.

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01:05:38,040 --> 01:05:43,080
Speaker 5: He's undersize here against tomorrow and Uzman's just been on

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Speaker 5: fire Man.

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Speaker 4: I love both of these guys as individuals. I can't

1381
01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:48,720
Speaker 4: wait to see what game Bread can do with this

1382
01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:52,600
Speaker 4: second unique opportunity. But if I had an MMA capper

1383
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Speaker 4: come on here and just say thirteen to er kamorro

1384
01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:57,439
Speaker 4: Usman in the UFC, I'm going back to the well

1385
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Speaker 4: like I wouldn't necessarily need much more analysis than that. Necessarily.

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Speaker 4: If you want more from Dale Lippin at punch List MMA,

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Speaker 4: checkout his podcast. It is absolutely worth your while. Dale,

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Speaker 4: great stuff, my man, it's great to turn the tables

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Speaker 4: on you brother. Good job, and hopefully we can do

1390
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Speaker 4: it again down the line. My man, thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you guys letting me come on the show.

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Speaker 1: I want to give a shout out to everybody that

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Speaker 1: listens to our show. They made literally all of this possible.

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Speaker 1: Our fan base is rabid and they really kind of

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Speaker 1: brought this whole thing together. I appreciate you having me on,

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Speaker 1: giving me the opportunity, and I told you in an email,

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Speaker 1: thanks to our episode together, I landed my very first

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Speaker 1: commentary gigs. So May eighth, I'll be I'll be donning

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Speaker 1: the cans and doing doing some commentary for a local

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Speaker 1: promotion here. But I appreciate the opportunity and you know,

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Speaker 1: you guys continuing to you know, support and interact with us.

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Speaker 1: It means the world of fans and podcasters alike. You

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Speaker 1: guys are you know, revered seriously, so thank you Dale.

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Speaker 1: Congrats man, thank you. Great job, great job, Tony Dale.

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Speaker 1: That's great.

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Speaker 4: It was only a matter of time before somebody's going

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Speaker 4: to come sign that voice, so uh listen, best luck

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Speaker 1: All I appreciate you guys, thank you so much.

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Speaker 4: All right, good stuff there. We shall see how it

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Speaker 11: How you doing, guys, annek and Florian on a Monday night.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know if it gets any

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Speaker 2: better than this on a Monday night.

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Speaker 11: You know, it's all down hill from here. So I'm

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Speaker 11: doing pretty good.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 11: We got a great event coming up, very very interesting

1439
01:08:16,280 --> 01:08:19,440
Speaker 11: from a betting perspective too, considering you know, pretty lopsided

1440
01:08:19,439 --> 01:08:21,920
Speaker 11: odds in a lot of these title fights. And of

1441
01:08:21,960 --> 01:08:24,479
Speaker 11: course we have the Miami Dolphins shrafting six overall in

1442
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Speaker 11: the draft. Here were from Thursday, So pretty pumped up

1443
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Speaker 11: for the what we have coming up on the sports calendar.

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Speaker 4: And I know if I need you on a Monday

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01:08:33,280 --> 01:08:35,160
Speaker 4: night in April. I'm okay. If I need you on

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Speaker 4: a Monday night in September, it's probably a different conversation.

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Speaker 4: So we appreciate you joining us in your customary pay

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Speaker 4: per view week slot. All right, so three title fights,

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Speaker 4: so we're not going to bury the lead. Valentina Chefchenko

1450
01:08:46,840 --> 01:08:49,120
Speaker 4: is fighting Jessica on rash. Now you are getting a

1451
01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:52,919
Speaker 4: better price on Valentina Chefchenko then you have gotten recently.

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01:08:53,280 --> 01:08:56,400
Speaker 4: But minus four hundred is just a prohibitive price for

1453
01:08:56,479 --> 01:08:59,519
Speaker 4: a lot of people. Prohibitive meaning they just can't lay that,

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01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:02,479
Speaker 4: you know, forty bucks to pay ten. It just doesn't work.

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01:09:02,600 --> 01:09:05,120
Speaker 4: So I don't know if you see any value on

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01:09:05,160 --> 01:09:07,800
Speaker 4: the andrage side of plus three hundred. But how are

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01:09:07,840 --> 01:09:10,519
Speaker 4: you betting this Women's flyweight championship fight? If at all?

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Speaker 11: We're going all props for all the title fights. Actually,

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01:09:13,760 --> 01:09:17,240
Speaker 11: so this one, I think this is a really good spot.

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01:09:17,280 --> 01:09:21,080
Speaker 11: You can get Chevchenko inside the distance at plus money, guys,

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Speaker 11: plus one thirty five.

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Speaker 2: I like that spot quite a bit.

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Speaker 11: So very interesting stylistically from a striking perspective, right, you

1464
01:09:28,439 --> 01:09:31,680
Speaker 11: have the patients and precision of chevchenk o versus the

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Speaker 11: power of onrage who gives it a lot lens over

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Speaker 11: six significant strikes per minute, but also takes it a lot,

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01:09:38,600 --> 01:09:42,320
Speaker 11: absorbs over five significant strikes per minute. I think that's

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Speaker 11: ultimately going to be here undoing in this fight because

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Speaker 11: take a look at some recent opponents for Chevchenko, the

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Speaker 11: aggressive ones may be a bit more defensively challenged. In

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Speaker 11: Caitlyn Chikugi and I they were both put away inside

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Speaker 11: of three. Both of those fighters absorb over four significant

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Speaker 11: strikes per minute. And you know, we've see Andra, She's

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Speaker 11: been finished a handful of times in the UFC, and

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Speaker 11: I do think her aggressive nature that's going to leave

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01:10:11,720 --> 01:10:15,800
Speaker 11: the door open for some openings for that precision from

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01:10:15,960 --> 01:10:20,120
Speaker 11: set Schevchenko and also Shivchenko four its reach advantage in

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Speaker 11: this fight. Guys, that's pretty big for this division, right,

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01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:28,200
Speaker 11: So Schevchenko plus money to win inside of five rounds

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01:10:28,280 --> 01:10:31,679
Speaker 11: versus a very aggressive striker, that might be my favorite

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Speaker 11: bet on this entire car.

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Speaker 4: Joe.

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Speaker 5: For me, the most intriguing fight is Rose now Munis

1484
01:10:38,720 --> 01:10:40,520
Speaker 5: against Joangway Lee.

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Speaker 4: How do you see this going down? I ended up

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01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:48,320
Speaker 4: picking Rose now Munis. What do you see here? Yeah?

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Speaker 11: Well, Rose's improvement over the course of her UFC career.

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01:10:53,400 --> 01:10:56,200
Speaker 11: She's approved by leaps and bands from a striking perspective,

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Speaker 11: with Trevor Whitman as the head coach.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 2: But here's what this comes down to me.

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Speaker 11: I'm not willing to bet against the twenty one fight

1493
01:11:04,520 --> 01:11:07,840
Speaker 11: win streak of Waylee in this one, and.

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Speaker 2: At around minus two hundred, that's not too bad. Really,

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Speaker 2: I don't mind that.

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01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:17,280
Speaker 11: I usually don't go that high, but I don't mind

1497
01:11:17,360 --> 01:11:19,479
Speaker 11: laying that two to one not a bad spot.

1498
01:11:20,880 --> 01:11:23,040
Speaker 2: And you look at her UFC career very high.

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01:11:23,080 --> 01:11:26,280
Speaker 11: I put you as a better striking differential than Rose

1500
01:11:26,360 --> 01:11:29,720
Speaker 11: Nama Junis. But if you're looking to get a little

1501
01:11:29,720 --> 01:11:31,320
Speaker 11: bit of value, if you don't like going you know,

1502
01:11:31,360 --> 01:11:33,640
Speaker 11: if you are twenty fifty dollars better, you're probably not

1503
01:11:33,760 --> 01:11:37,479
Speaker 11: very interested in minus two hundred odds. So I think

1504
01:11:37,520 --> 01:11:41,519
Speaker 11: we have a case here. Same with the main event,

1505
01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:45,360
Speaker 11: two fighters that are very hard to put away. Right,

1506
01:11:45,400 --> 01:11:49,679
Speaker 11: Whaley's never been finished in her career, whereas no Nama Junas.

1507
01:11:49,720 --> 01:11:52,240
Speaker 11: You might point to the andrage Ko a bit of

1508
01:11:52,280 --> 01:11:57,400
Speaker 11: a unconventional finish to that one with the slam koh Right,

1509
01:11:57,760 --> 01:11:59,600
Speaker 11: So both are very tough, and you look at the

1510
01:11:59,680 --> 01:12:05,080
Speaker 11: history of the strawweight division in the UFC or the

1511
01:12:05,160 --> 01:12:07,599
Speaker 11: last nine time times the title has been on the line.

1512
01:12:07,640 --> 01:12:11,080
Speaker 11: Six of those times it did end up going to decision.

1513
01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:13,479
Speaker 11: So both are very hard to put away.

1514
01:12:13,720 --> 01:12:13,920
Speaker 4: You know.

1515
01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:16,679
Speaker 11: I don't mind way Lee and the minus two hundred range,

1516
01:12:16,720 --> 01:12:18,559
Speaker 11: but a little bit better value, I could see it

1517
01:12:18,600 --> 01:12:21,120
Speaker 11: going to decision minus one forty five or way Lee

1518
01:12:21,200 --> 01:12:24,320
Speaker 11: once again not a bad plus money spot at plus

1519
01:12:24,360 --> 01:12:25,040
Speaker 11: one sixty.

1520
01:12:25,640 --> 01:12:28,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm still stuck on that chip Chenko plus money

1521
01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:32,640
Speaker 4: because it's a fun way to watch the fight too, Right,

1522
01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:35,800
Speaker 4: I hate betting on over four and a half, you know,

1523
01:12:35,920 --> 01:12:38,040
Speaker 4: and it's like for me, I'm not betting anyway, but

1524
01:12:38,040 --> 01:12:41,639
Speaker 4: it's like like I hate betting that, you know, betch

1525
01:12:41,840 --> 01:12:43,880
Speaker 4: then just root for her to put her away, right, I.

1526
01:12:43,920 --> 01:12:47,320
Speaker 11: Had the over four and a half and Robert Whitaker,

1527
01:12:47,479 --> 01:12:48,560
Speaker 11: Calvin Gastolm.

1528
01:12:48,800 --> 01:12:51,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there are some close calls on that one.

1529
01:12:51,439 --> 01:12:53,360
Speaker 11: So I'm setting up on my couch at you know,

1530
01:12:53,439 --> 01:12:56,120
Speaker 11: one thirty am. Just the heart beating, you know, on

1531
01:12:56,200 --> 01:12:57,679
Speaker 11: the edge of the seat, like don't.

1532
01:12:57,439 --> 01:13:00,559
Speaker 2: Finish them, don't finish them. So yeah, it's a very

1533
01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:01,280
Speaker 2: very difficult.

1534
01:13:01,320 --> 01:13:04,080
Speaker 11: It's different from you know, you watch an entire basketball

1535
01:13:04,120 --> 01:13:05,880
Speaker 11: game or a football game and.

1536
01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:08,160
Speaker 2: You hope the guy will miss the field goal or whatever.

1537
01:13:08,439 --> 01:13:11,200
Speaker 11: You know they'll they'll go four and out or something

1538
01:13:11,320 --> 01:13:13,160
Speaker 11: or not convert on fourth down. But it's so much

1539
01:13:13,200 --> 01:13:17,280
Speaker 11: different in fighting, where boom one hit and the fighting end,

1540
01:13:17,360 --> 01:13:19,919
Speaker 11: so very nerve acting way to watch UFC.

1541
01:13:20,320 --> 01:13:24,360
Speaker 4: Right, you're sitting there literally one thirty a m. Eastern time,

1542
01:13:25,680 --> 01:13:28,679
Speaker 4: praying that Whitaker takes him down and runs clock right

1543
01:13:28,720 --> 01:13:30,479
Speaker 4: instead of knocks him out, so you can go to bed.

1544
01:13:30,520 --> 01:13:33,000
Speaker 2: That's whatever you want, all right.

1545
01:13:33,120 --> 01:13:36,280
Speaker 4: Before we let you go. Jorge Mosfiedal taken on Kamar

1546
01:13:36,400 --> 01:13:39,439
Speaker 4: Usman again. We've trotted out the betting line minus four

1547
01:13:39,520 --> 01:13:41,639
Speaker 4: hundred on one side, plus three hundred on the other,

1548
01:13:41,800 --> 01:13:45,080
Speaker 4: or so i'd imagine maybe you have a proposition on

1549
01:13:45,120 --> 01:13:46,680
Speaker 4: the Usman side. What do you got for us?

1550
01:13:46,760 --> 01:13:49,040
Speaker 11: Of course, well, Usman is the pick to win, but

1551
01:13:49,120 --> 01:13:50,960
Speaker 11: I don't think he's the best bet. You know, you

1552
01:13:51,000 --> 01:13:53,439
Speaker 11: take a look at that first fight, and obviously he

1553
01:13:53,520 --> 01:13:57,160
Speaker 11: completely dominated that fight. He landed more significant strikes and

1554
01:13:57,240 --> 01:14:00,000
Speaker 11: he landed at a higher percentage, and you know, Usman

1555
01:14:00,160 --> 01:14:03,880
Speaker 11: backers might say, well, or Masbadol Backtors might say he

1556
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:06,160
Speaker 11: took that fight on six days notice. Well, guess what,

1557
01:14:06,400 --> 01:14:08,920
Speaker 11: Uhsman was fighting him on six days notice too, he

1558
01:14:09,040 --> 01:14:12,840
Speaker 11: was training for a completely different opponent, So he has

1559
01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:15,920
Speaker 11: a bit of an excuse there maybe as well. And

1560
01:14:16,400 --> 01:14:18,880
Speaker 11: here's a scary thing about Usman. We saw it in

1561
01:14:18,880 --> 01:14:21,600
Speaker 11: the Gilbert Burns fight. His striking is catching up to

1562
01:14:21,640 --> 01:14:24,320
Speaker 11: his wrestling, isn't it. And you know see it watching

1563
01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:28,040
Speaker 11: him fight behind that job that reminded me of a

1564
01:14:28,080 --> 01:14:31,960
Speaker 11: former welterweight great who also had a pretty good wrestling

1565
01:14:31,960 --> 01:14:33,639
Speaker 11: pedigree in George Saint.

1566
01:14:33,479 --> 01:14:34,759
Speaker 2: Pierre a little bit there.

1567
01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:38,719
Speaker 11: So you know, I think Usman, maybe even after this fighter,

1568
01:14:38,720 --> 01:14:40,120
Speaker 11: at least by the end of the year, he's going

1569
01:14:40,200 --> 01:14:42,360
Speaker 11: to be in the discussion for the best pound pound

1570
01:14:42,400 --> 01:14:46,040
Speaker 11: fighter in the UFC with that striking catching.

1571
01:14:45,760 --> 01:14:47,519
Speaker 2: Up to the wrestling.

1572
01:14:48,479 --> 01:14:51,640
Speaker 11: And as for Avidol, you know, I'm not going to

1573
01:14:51,680 --> 01:14:54,720
Speaker 11: sugarcoat guys. I do think he's a little bit overrated.

1574
01:14:56,439 --> 01:14:58,960
Speaker 11: I think it's a bit of a stretch calm journeyman

1575
01:14:59,080 --> 01:15:01,479
Speaker 11: that's a bit in He's better than that, but at

1576
01:15:01,479 --> 01:15:04,559
Speaker 11: the championship level with a top five right now pound

1577
01:15:04,600 --> 01:15:07,040
Speaker 11: profound guy, I don't think he's going to be able

1578
01:15:07,120 --> 01:15:10,840
Speaker 11: to hang with him. So you know, what does this

1579
01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:14,000
Speaker 11: come down to for the best bet? And it's another

1580
01:15:14,080 --> 01:15:17,080
Speaker 11: thing that I'm not really willing to bet against. Neither

1581
01:15:17,120 --> 01:15:20,880
Speaker 11: of these guys has been finished inside the UFC in

1582
01:15:20,920 --> 01:15:24,479
Speaker 11: their careers. That's thirty two combined fights, and neither of

1583
01:15:24,520 --> 01:15:25,880
Speaker 11: them has been finished.

1584
01:15:25,640 --> 01:15:26,679
Speaker 2: Though outside the UFC.

1585
01:15:26,880 --> 01:15:29,479
Speaker 11: Masvidal is last finished way back in two thousand and

1586
01:15:29,560 --> 01:15:31,480
Speaker 11: nine in Bellator.

1587
01:15:31,560 --> 01:15:33,479
Speaker 2: I think you know something about that, John a.

1588
01:15:33,479 --> 01:15:36,840
Speaker 4: Little bit, A little bit, Yeah, Toby a Mada inverted reverse,

1589
01:15:36,880 --> 01:15:41,240
Speaker 4: inverted triangle choke. My poor ass had I had called

1590
01:15:41,280 --> 01:15:43,880
Speaker 4: maybe four MMA events in my life. I'm like, what

1591
01:15:44,120 --> 01:15:46,800
Speaker 4: is going on here? This dude's upside down, this other

1592
01:15:46,840 --> 01:15:49,559
Speaker 4: dude's turning purple, and I'm supposed to explain what's going on.

1593
01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:52,480
Speaker 4: And the dude turning purple, of course, was Gabrid Mosfetal,

1594
01:15:52,760 --> 01:15:55,240
Speaker 4: to your point, hasn't been finished in the twelve years

1595
01:15:55,240 --> 01:15:56,320
Speaker 4: that have expired since.

1596
01:15:57,000 --> 01:15:58,680
Speaker 11: Yeah, And then then you look at Newsman. He was

1597
01:15:58,760 --> 01:16:01,320
Speaker 11: last finished way back in two in thirteen, his second

1598
01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:06,200
Speaker 11: career fight, right, so Usman by decision minus one twenty five.

1599
01:16:06,240 --> 01:16:08,240
Speaker 11: I like that quite a bit. If you think it's

1600
01:16:08,240 --> 01:16:09,760
Speaker 11: going to be a bit closer. You can get the

1601
01:16:09,760 --> 01:16:12,559
Speaker 11: fight to go the distance where either fighter can win.

1602
01:16:12,600 --> 01:16:16,599
Speaker 11: That's here at minus one seventy five. But you know, usman,

1603
01:16:17,600 --> 01:16:22,679
Speaker 11: maybe a minor red flag is very short notice fight

1604
01:16:22,840 --> 01:16:26,040
Speaker 11: because he usually has a pretty big gap between his fights.

1605
01:16:26,040 --> 01:16:29,559
Speaker 11: So maybe that I don't know, if you're looking for

1606
01:16:29,600 --> 01:16:32,720
Speaker 11: red flegs, if you're looking for excuses to pick Mazvidol,

1607
01:16:32,760 --> 01:16:35,000
Speaker 11: I don't see it. That's more of something that you're

1608
01:16:35,040 --> 01:16:39,040
Speaker 11: guessing that that would have impacked him negatively. But he's

1609
01:16:39,120 --> 01:16:42,519
Speaker 11: just so incredibly well rounded with that striking catching up

1610
01:16:42,560 --> 01:16:47,280
Speaker 11: to the wrestling. And you know a good case for

1611
01:16:47,400 --> 01:16:50,479
Speaker 11: it going to a decision is you know he's got

1612
01:16:50,479 --> 01:16:52,680
Speaker 11: that wrestling in his back pocket. He's probably going to

1613
01:16:52,720 --> 01:16:54,920
Speaker 11: try to finish him. But if masvidoal is being very

1614
01:16:54,920 --> 01:16:57,360
Speaker 11: competitive in the feed, he can lean on that wrestling

1615
01:16:57,439 --> 01:16:59,439
Speaker 11: and he can dominate in that area. He can lean

1616
01:16:59,479 --> 01:17:01,639
Speaker 11: on him up in the cage, and when you're betting overs,

1617
01:17:01,680 --> 01:17:04,160
Speaker 11: when you're betting fights to go to decisions at what

1618
01:17:04,320 --> 01:17:06,360
Speaker 11: that's what You'll love to see those guys pressing on

1619
01:17:06,360 --> 01:17:09,639
Speaker 11: each other up against the key. Thanks right right, Yeah,

1620
01:17:09,680 --> 01:17:12,759
Speaker 11: so pretty chalk heavy with if you want the champions

1621
01:17:12,800 --> 01:17:14,640
Speaker 11: to retain in this one like I do. But some

1622
01:17:15,000 --> 01:17:18,160
Speaker 11: pretty good prop betting opportunities on the card for sure, and.

1623
01:17:18,200 --> 01:17:22,759
Speaker 4: Should have that thirty foot octagon for you folks in Jacksonville, Florida.

1624
01:17:22,840 --> 01:17:26,080
Speaker 4: So perhaps that plays into the capping as well. All right,

1625
01:17:26,080 --> 01:17:28,639
Speaker 4: If you want more from Joe Osborne at Jtfoz on Twitter,

1626
01:17:28,680 --> 01:17:31,320
Speaker 4: you can find them on Instagram at Paper Chaser Joe

1627
01:17:32,120 --> 01:17:34,599
Speaker 4: Houston bekins next month, my friend. I wish you guys

1628
01:17:34,640 --> 01:17:36,920
Speaker 4: all the best with your NFL Draft coverage and we'll

1629
01:17:36,920 --> 01:17:38,960
Speaker 4: talk to you in a few short weeks, my friend.

1630
01:17:39,439 --> 01:17:41,040
Speaker 2: Thank you, my man. Good luck on the call.

1631
01:17:41,120 --> 01:17:43,920
Speaker 11: Good luck to you guys, and good luck to all

1632
01:17:43,920 --> 01:17:44,800
Speaker 11: the listeners as well.

1633
01:17:45,439 --> 01:17:47,719
Speaker 4: Thank you, buddy. There he is, my good friend Joe

1634
01:17:47,760 --> 01:17:49,719
Speaker 4: Osborne with us here on the Antic and Florian podcast.

1635
01:17:49,720 --> 01:17:51,920
Speaker 4: All right, before we go, a couple of programming notes

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Speaker 4: for you here, Ousman Mosfital. When they fought at UFC

1637
01:17:55,600 --> 01:17:58,320
Speaker 4: two fifty one, Ken Flow actually did a Florian's fight

1638
01:17:58,479 --> 01:18:02,400
Speaker 4: forms for our anti Flora and podcast YouTube viewers. So

1639
01:18:02,479 --> 01:18:05,080
Speaker 4: there is an Usman mosfeed all breakdown from ken Flow

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Speaker 4: on our website right now and florin podcast dot com

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Speaker 4: for all of your merchandise needs. If you want Anikin

1642
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Speaker 4: Floorian podcast gear. Friday night, you can watch Ken Flow

1643
01:18:15,640 --> 01:18:19,240
Speaker 4: on the PFL broadcast on ESPN two. So unless someone

1644
01:18:19,280 --> 01:18:23,240
Speaker 4: gets hurt, you're not fighting Friday night, right essentially?

1645
01:18:23,439 --> 01:18:23,599
Speaker 12: What?

1646
01:18:24,040 --> 01:18:24,280
Speaker 4: Right?

1647
01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:28,040
Speaker 5: Yeah? Unless maybe if someone gets injured, you know, and

1648
01:18:28,479 --> 01:18:29,479
Speaker 5: there's a there's.

1649
01:18:29,280 --> 01:18:33,880
Speaker 4: A slot open. All right, So let me ask you this.

1650
01:18:34,120 --> 01:18:36,160
Speaker 4: And I would never sit here and try to ask

1651
01:18:36,200 --> 01:18:40,599
Speaker 4: you to compare your nerves for a live broadcast versus

1652
01:18:40,800 --> 01:18:44,559
Speaker 4: a championship fight. Okay, so I'm not doing that right,

1653
01:18:44,880 --> 01:18:46,840
Speaker 4: But you know, last time you and I called a

1654
01:18:46,920 --> 01:18:49,439
Speaker 4: UFC fight together, I think was July of twenty sixteen.

1655
01:18:49,520 --> 01:18:51,719
Speaker 4: You've done BattleBots, You've got a lot of different things

1656
01:18:51,760 --> 01:18:55,240
Speaker 4: from a broadcasting standpoint that you have done in the

1657
01:18:55,360 --> 01:18:58,679
Speaker 4: years that have expired. But don't you think you're feeling

1658
01:18:58,680 --> 01:19:00,639
Speaker 4: a little something on Friday night and a good way

1659
01:19:00,760 --> 01:19:03,480
Speaker 4: nerves that you can channel? Oh? Absolutely?

1660
01:19:03,520 --> 01:19:05,640
Speaker 5: I mean I felt it as I was, you know,

1661
01:19:05,720 --> 01:19:06,959
Speaker 5: heading towards the airport.

1662
01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:10,559
Speaker 4: You know, again, I haven't done this in a little while.

1663
01:19:10,680 --> 01:19:13,599
Speaker 5: It's a three man booth, uh, you know, so I'm

1664
01:19:13,640 --> 01:19:17,160
Speaker 5: looking forward to really learning as much as possible, having

1665
01:19:17,200 --> 01:19:19,559
Speaker 5: fun and doing what I love.

1666
01:19:19,680 --> 01:19:21,040
Speaker 4: But I'd be lying to you.

1667
01:19:20,960 --> 01:19:23,360
Speaker 5: If if I said that I wasn't feeling any butterflies

1668
01:19:23,439 --> 01:19:26,479
Speaker 5: right now, so I miss it and I look forward

1669
01:19:26,520 --> 01:19:26,720
Speaker 5: to it.

1670
01:19:26,800 --> 01:19:28,880
Speaker 4: Man, well, and I would just say, it's like if

1671
01:19:28,960 --> 01:19:32,240
Speaker 4: I was a fighter turn broadcaster and I was having

1672
01:19:32,280 --> 01:19:34,240
Speaker 4: any of those nerves, I would be looking at myself

1673
01:19:34,240 --> 01:19:37,320
Speaker 4: in the mirror and be like, FUCKO, you went in

1674
01:19:37,360 --> 01:19:39,720
Speaker 4: there and fought BJ Penn for the world title, Like

1675
01:19:40,120 --> 01:19:42,800
Speaker 4: we're just goning to talk about fighting, Like, I just

1676
01:19:42,840 --> 01:19:45,320
Speaker 4: think it would be very empowering. It would be very

1677
01:19:45,360 --> 01:19:48,600
Speaker 4: empowering for me had I followed to walk into do

1678
01:19:48,640 --> 01:19:50,760
Speaker 4: a fucking broadcast. It's like, yeah, I think I can

1679
01:19:50,800 --> 01:19:52,880
Speaker 4: do this, as long as you don't make me take

1680
01:19:52,920 --> 01:19:57,960
Speaker 4: my shirt off and go fight another man in the cave. Absolutely, man,

1681
01:19:58,000 --> 01:20:00,599
Speaker 4: all right? So Ken Flow on PFL Friday and then

1682
01:20:00,880 --> 01:20:03,000
Speaker 4: the monster that is UFC two sixty one. Hopefully you

1683
01:20:03,000 --> 01:20:05,000
Speaker 4: will join us for the prelims on ESPN and then

1684
01:20:05,040 --> 01:20:09,000
Speaker 4: the pay per view Maine card on ESPN. Plus. Thank

1685
01:20:09,040 --> 01:20:11,960
Speaker 4: you to our guest Ray Longo Dale Lippin at Joe Osborne,

1686
01:20:11,960 --> 01:20:15,479
Speaker 4: our executive producer, Chief Marketing officer is Cody Merrow. Thank

1687
01:20:15,520 --> 01:20:17,559
Speaker 4: you all for listening, for watching, We appreciate that. For

1688
01:20:17,640 --> 01:20:21,040
Speaker 4: Ken Fulham, John Anick until next week, don't text and drive.

1689
01:20:21,240 --> 01:20:27,120
Speaker 4: And in closing exhibition boxing match three three minute rounds

1690
01:20:27,640 --> 01:20:32,040
Speaker 4: Militic versus Annik and if I win, Pat has to

1691
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Speaker 4: wear a mask for a month, We'll talk to you

1692
01:20:35,320 --> 01:20:37,840
Speaker 4: next week. You won't do it, yo.

1693
01:20:37,800 --> 01:21:07,559
Speaker 3: Letter, I'm Royal Oaks next time.

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1697
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