WEBVTT - The Audubon Guy Was A Monster 0:00:03.120 --> 0:00:09.280 Oh boy, I'm the podcast man here to deliver pods 0:00:09.720 --> 0:00:14.360 to your ear cast. Beautiful, beautiful, Thanks David. You know 0:00:15.080 --> 0:00:18.640 what they say about being a professional is you should 0:00:18.680 --> 0:00:21.279 never learn how to do even the basic parts of 0:00:21.280 --> 0:00:24.599 your job at any point and just kind of muddle through. 0:00:24.800 --> 0:00:28.040 And that is the key to success, right because when 0:00:28.040 --> 0:00:31.360 you do like a fraction of it, then everybody is like, 0:00:31.400 --> 0:00:34.320 oh my god, they did it. That's amazing. You keep 0:00:34.320 --> 0:00:37.839 everybody's expectations, you keep everybody's look exactly. It's like when 0:00:37.880 --> 0:00:42.599 I'm when I'm um, you know, driving, you know, I'm 0:00:42.600 --> 0:00:44.400 not gonna use turn signals. I'm not going to turn 0:00:44.400 --> 0:00:48.080 my headlights on, you know, because that way, when I 0:00:48.159 --> 0:00:51.760 eventually slam on my brakes and narrowly miss running through 0:00:52.320 --> 0:00:56.640 a crosswalk, people are like, wow, pretty good guy, he 0:00:56.720 --> 0:01:00.120 didn't he didn't hit that crosswalk. Didn't hit that crosswalk. 0:01:00.360 --> 0:01:05.399 Yeah people, Yeah, they're all ready for death there. Yeah. Yeah, 0:01:05.440 --> 0:01:08.440 they were like, wow he was he was pretty drunk, 0:01:08.520 --> 0:01:11.240 but he wasn't so drunk that he blew through that crosswalk. 0:01:11.440 --> 0:01:15.559 That's that's the way in which I approached my career. Um, David, 0:01:16.120 --> 0:01:19.600 you have podcasts, You're David Bell this is behind the 0:01:19.600 --> 0:01:22.679 bastards by the way. Um, but you have a podcast 0:01:22.720 --> 0:01:26.160 network called game Fully Unemployed where you you talk about 0:01:26.240 --> 0:01:28.600 movies and in media and stuff. I got a bunch 0:01:28.640 --> 0:01:35.720 of shows on there, that's true. But I mean I 0:01:36.040 --> 0:01:37.720 feel like the plug. I think we did it. I 0:01:37.720 --> 0:01:42.240 think we're all set ready to go. Yeah, I'll plug. 0:01:42.240 --> 0:01:45.000 I'll plug our patreon, Patreon, dot com, slash gamefully Unemployed. 0:01:45.160 --> 0:01:48.160 But really just like search for gamefully Unemployed whatever wherever 0:01:48.160 --> 0:01:51.800 you game podcast, uh and check us out. We have 0:01:51.960 --> 0:01:55.800 we have a bunch of exclusive ones on our patreon. Uh. Yeah, 0:01:55.920 --> 0:01:59.680 pop it, yeah it, pull it twisted, tug it is 0:01:59.720 --> 0:02:05.000 tug one tuget. Absolutely treat it like a nipple. General 0:02:05.080 --> 0:02:08.760 rule of advice, Burnett, It's like a nipple, Dave. How 0:02:08.760 --> 0:02:14.960 do you like birds? Um? Lukewarm? Lukewarm on birds? Depends 0:02:15.000 --> 0:02:18.880 on the bird, to be honest. Um, I like the 0:02:20.560 --> 0:02:24.760 I like them in theory against them, you know, but 0:02:24.840 --> 0:02:27.600 again it's really is going to depend on the bird. Yeah. 0:02:27.639 --> 0:02:30.560 I don't have anything against birds. Categorically, I will say 0:02:30.600 --> 0:02:34.560 the animals I have most often had negative relationships with 0:02:34.639 --> 0:02:41.440 have been birds, particularly chickens. Yeah. Monstrous creatures, Oh, Yeah. 0:02:41.480 --> 0:02:44.320 When I was a child, I apparently brought a chicken 0:02:44.800 --> 0:02:48.639 into my house like holding it, and I still think 0:02:48.680 --> 0:02:51.079 back at that, like, how did I not get attacked 0:02:51.080 --> 0:02:55.280 by that chicken? Well, they're bad at that if you 0:02:55.400 --> 0:02:58.600 if you pick them upright, so would you must have done? Yeah, 0:02:58.080 --> 0:03:01.800 you may be a savant a chicken Savanah. You know 0:03:01.880 --> 0:03:06.160 much about the Audubon Society. No, okay, Well, today's episode 0:03:06.200 --> 0:03:11.680 is called John James Audubon Bird Monster, um. And we're 0:03:11.720 --> 0:03:14.120 gonna talk about the namesake, not the founder, it was 0:03:14.160 --> 0:03:17.240 founded years and years after his death, um, but the 0:03:17.360 --> 0:03:21.400 namesake of the Audubon Society. And this guy sucks a 0:03:21.400 --> 0:03:24.519 lot more than than you would expect, dave a lot 0:03:24.560 --> 0:03:26.800 more than you would expect. Okay, I mean I don't 0:03:26.800 --> 0:03:29.800 know who this is. Yeah, you know. The Audbon Society 0:03:29.840 --> 0:03:31.480 is like people who like birds a bunch, you know, 0:03:31.600 --> 0:03:34.920 bird watchers. That's their group, is the Audubon Society, Like 0:03:34.960 --> 0:03:37.120 the n r A is for guns, and the Audubon 0:03:37.200 --> 0:03:39.760 Societies for people who like going into the woods and 0:03:39.800 --> 0:03:41.960 being like, look I saw a bird and then telling 0:03:42.440 --> 0:03:45.480 other people like I found this bird here. That's their 0:03:45.480 --> 0:03:49.640 whole thing. I think it's just no matter what my 0:03:49.720 --> 0:03:53.120 view of birds are, I do find bird watchers highly sinister. 0:03:53.760 --> 0:03:55.960 It is it is. It is unsettling right, like they 0:03:55.960 --> 0:03:58.640 could be doing anything with those binoculars. You know. It 0:03:58.680 --> 0:04:00.680 feels like when someone says what are you doing and 0:04:00.680 --> 0:04:04.480 they say bird watching, that sounds like an you're the FBI, 0:04:04.760 --> 0:04:07.080 Like we I already know right away you're you're doing 0:04:07.160 --> 0:04:09.720 some skullduggery, right, because the one thing I do know 0:04:09.760 --> 0:04:13.760 about birds who they're not fun to watch like that's 0:04:14.280 --> 0:04:16.679 but there's like a lot of people like to watch birds. 0:04:16.800 --> 0:04:19.240 I mean, I don't get it. But also I will 0:04:19.279 --> 0:04:22.760 spend like hours just watching my cats live their lives. 0:04:22.880 --> 0:04:25.720 So everybody's got animals they like to they like to 0:04:25.839 --> 0:04:29.960 stare at like a creep. Yeah, and that Autubon society 0:04:29.960 --> 0:04:32.480 likes to do that with birds, which is fine broadly speaking, 0:04:33.000 --> 0:04:35.320 not not a bad but the guy they're named after 0:04:35.960 --> 0:04:39.080 real shitty. So John James Audubon was born gen I 0:04:39.200 --> 0:04:43.640 Bean like you know French John, like spelled like Jeans 0:04:43.680 --> 0:04:46.960 but without the S, but not like Sean Luke Jean No, 0:04:46.960 --> 0:04:52.120 no that one yeah j e a n gene Yeah. 0:04:52.440 --> 0:04:56.000 In san domain, which is modern Haiti right, Like he's 0:04:56.040 --> 0:04:59.360 born in what is today Haiti was then the slave colony. 0:04:59.440 --> 0:05:04.960 That right, Yeah, yeah, I did, I did. I did 0:05:05.000 --> 0:05:09.719 a video for some it was it's bleak. So he's 0:05:09.760 --> 0:05:13.679 born seventy five, which is not all that long before 0:05:14.600 --> 0:05:17.279 well before the cool thing happens, which is like the 0:05:17.320 --> 0:05:21.200 Haitians Haitian slaves are like, yeah, let's kill everybody who's 0:05:22.000 --> 0:05:25.480 want slaves to exist. Um, but that's not a great 0:05:25.520 --> 0:05:29.599 time to be the illegitimate son of a French sea captain. Um, 0:05:29.640 --> 0:05:32.880 you know, a mixed time and like slave trader. His 0:05:33.000 --> 0:05:35.480 dad is, who is also named John is a is 0:05:35.520 --> 0:05:38.720 a slave trader and a sea captain and owns a plantation. Now, 0:05:38.760 --> 0:05:42.599 depending on who you believe, Jen Rabine's mother is either 0:05:42.720 --> 0:05:46.000 a sugar plantation owner who died in the slave uprising 0:05:46.000 --> 0:05:48.560 that led to the creation of Haiti, or a mixed 0:05:48.640 --> 0:05:52.920 race chambermaid named Katherine Bouffard or a French chambermaid named 0:05:52.960 --> 0:05:56.240 gen iban Um, which is basically the same as his name. 0:05:56.560 --> 0:05:58.880 So there's a couple of different theories and and one 0:05:58.880 --> 0:06:00.560 of them is that he's a mixed he's kid, that 0:06:00.600 --> 0:06:04.440 he that he has black ancestry um and that's going 0:06:04.480 --> 0:06:07.240 to become very relevant later because of some of the 0:06:07.240 --> 0:06:10.279 things this guy chooses to do with his life. Um, 0:06:10.320 --> 0:06:12.479 whoever his mother was and whether or not he was 0:06:12.560 --> 0:06:15.400 mixed race, he was born able to pass as white, 0:06:15.400 --> 0:06:17.240 so if he is, if he is mixed race, he 0:06:17.440 --> 0:06:20.080 like white people in like the U. S And Europe 0:06:20.160 --> 0:06:22.760 don't notice that when they look at him, right, which 0:06:22.839 --> 0:06:27.839 is handy in this period of time. Right, Why why 0:06:27.880 --> 0:06:30.760 are we not sure who his mother is? Well, because 0:06:30.800 --> 0:06:33.480 he's he's a legitimate like his dad is a pretty 0:06:33.520 --> 0:06:36.360 well off guy, and he has a wife back in France, 0:06:36.400 --> 0:06:38.920 and he's just whoever he has his son with. It's 0:06:38.960 --> 0:06:45.120 not his wife, you know. Um. It's also the seventeen eighties, 0:06:45.160 --> 0:06:47.960 so it's not like it's not like if he'd wanted 0:06:48.000 --> 0:06:49.640 to know who his mom was, he could have gotte 0:06:49.640 --> 0:06:52.400 and done a DNA test at some point, but there's 0:06:52.400 --> 0:06:56.599 really not many options. Um, So the most likely cases 0:06:56.680 --> 0:06:59.800 that his mom was was J. E. A. N N. E. 0:07:00.160 --> 0:07:02.719 Rabine as opposed to gen Rabine. I'm sorry, they're French, 0:07:02.839 --> 0:07:06.480 so this this part is going to be kind of confusing. Um. 0:07:06.520 --> 0:07:08.760 And she died of an infection basically as soon as 0:07:08.760 --> 0:07:10.760 her baby came into the world, probably as a result 0:07:10.800 --> 0:07:13.080 of having a baby, not an uncommon story in se 0:07:14.600 --> 0:07:19.480 um So, James's dad, Geen Audubon, decided to leave the 0:07:19.520 --> 0:07:22.640 island shortly thereafter. He was not a dumb man, and 0:07:22.680 --> 0:07:25.320 he saw that tensions in Haiti, and by tensions I 0:07:25.320 --> 0:07:28.760 mean all of the angry people freeing themselves from plantations 0:07:28.760 --> 0:07:31.720 and getting weapons were on the rise. Right, So, as 0:07:31.720 --> 0:07:33.720 a rich white guy looking at Haiti in the late 0:07:33.760 --> 0:07:36.280 seventeen eighties and like, probably how to get out of here, 0:07:37.320 --> 0:07:39.560 but probably ain't gonna be. This ain't gonna be good 0:07:39.600 --> 0:07:41.880 for me anymore. Yeah, they're not gonna be. They're gonna 0:07:42.080 --> 0:07:44.800 not gonna be nice to him. Yeah, I probably don't 0:07:44.800 --> 0:07:48.720 want to be hanging around Haiti too much longer. Um So, 0:07:48.800 --> 0:07:51.240 the rumors that Jean may have been mixed race are 0:07:51.240 --> 0:07:53.600 mainly significant again for things that come up later. It's 0:07:53.640 --> 0:07:57.640 worth noting that his father, if he was mixed race, 0:07:57.680 --> 0:07:59.680 his father may not necessarily have seen this as a 0:07:59.680 --> 0:08:02.200 big deal. Well, this would have been like a thing 0:08:02.280 --> 0:08:04.040 in the United States as a time. Again, if you 0:08:04.040 --> 0:08:06.600 have like one drop of blood that isn't white, and 0:08:06.760 --> 0:08:08.679 kind of the parlance of the time in the US 0:08:08.720 --> 0:08:11.240 in this period, it can be a huge issue for you, 0:08:11.640 --> 0:08:15.120 right if if I remember correctly, Not not to say 0:08:15.120 --> 0:08:18.600 Haiti is progressive during this time, but like the revolution 0:08:18.640 --> 0:08:22.760 that happens oh sorry France, yeah, but like also the 0:08:22.800 --> 0:08:27.160 revolution that happens in Haiti, like they pretend it doesn't happen, 0:08:27.320 --> 0:08:30.120 right in a lot of places, France does and for 0:08:30.160 --> 0:08:32.760 a long time that's basically their policy. But within kind 0:08:32.800 --> 0:08:35.960 of the France itself and and France outside of the 0:08:35.960 --> 0:08:38.720 islands where they own a lot of slaves. The late 0:08:38.800 --> 0:08:42.319 seventeen hundreds are a period in which, again you've had 0:08:42.360 --> 0:08:44.920 this revolution, there's all of these kind of radical ideas 0:08:44.960 --> 0:08:49.360 about equality. Um it is starting to become normalized for 0:08:49.400 --> 0:08:51.760 people who are not white to get the rights of 0:08:51.840 --> 0:08:54.920 citizens in the French Empire. Okay, so there, and there's 0:08:54.960 --> 0:08:57.760 this period where like there's still slavery, but also people 0:08:57.800 --> 0:09:00.840 who are mixed race are getting their citizenship. Um. I 0:09:00.880 --> 0:09:02.880 am thinking of the US because the US it was 0:09:02.960 --> 0:09:05.839 like they didn't want to talk about what was going 0:09:05.880 --> 0:09:08.680 on in Haiti because well the French did either, Like 0:09:08.720 --> 0:09:12.040 again they don't once Haiti rebels, France doesn't really want 0:09:12.080 --> 0:09:14.640 to acknowledge it. Right, they invaded a couple of times, 0:09:14.679 --> 0:09:16.840 and the US doesn't want. No one wants to acknowledge 0:09:16.840 --> 0:09:18.760 it because the idea of a slave rebellion is very 0:09:18.760 --> 0:09:21.640 frightening to everybody. But you have in the same period, 0:09:21.679 --> 0:09:25.280 because it's post revolutionary France, all these discussions about well, 0:09:25.360 --> 0:09:28.480 mixed race people in black people should be citizens to like, 0:09:28.520 --> 0:09:31.720 if we're gonna say everybody's equal, then these people have 0:09:31.760 --> 0:09:33.520 to be equal as well. And it's like this process 0:09:33.559 --> 0:09:36.800 going on. And this not to like whitewash the horrible 0:09:36.800 --> 0:09:39.760 colonial crimes of the French government, but this process does 0:09:39.880 --> 0:09:42.400 happen in France, and there are rights for people who 0:09:42.400 --> 0:09:44.960 are not white but are French citizens in France. That 0:09:45.040 --> 0:09:47.320 does not happen in the United States for like another 0:09:47.760 --> 0:09:50.720 seventy years, you know, um, and arguably a lot longer 0:09:50.760 --> 0:09:54.199 than that, right obviously, um. Whereas in France they do 0:09:54.320 --> 0:09:58.199 actually start to get functional citizenship. All mixed race Frenchmen 0:09:58.280 --> 0:10:02.959 received citizenship in sevent ninety too. UM. So the fact 0:10:02.960 --> 0:10:06.480 that like jeen uh Rabine may have been kind of 0:10:06.520 --> 0:10:09.560 mixed race would not have been a huge issue growing 0:10:09.640 --> 0:10:11.000 up in France, as it would have been in the 0:10:11.040 --> 0:10:14.160 United States. Now his dad does buy a farm in 0:10:14.200 --> 0:10:18.760 the United States, two four acres outside of Philadelphia. Um. 0:10:18.800 --> 0:10:23.680 And at this point, again I I normally we would 0:10:23.720 --> 0:10:25.640 call it something else. It's not Philly yet, you know 0:10:25.679 --> 0:10:28.840 it's Philadelphia. It's not it's not the gritty city that 0:10:28.920 --> 0:10:31.480 we we know and love. At this point, UM, I 0:10:31.480 --> 0:10:34.280 wanted to make a joke about the first sports related 0:10:34.400 --> 0:10:36.840 riot in US history here, like and that being the 0:10:36.840 --> 0:10:38.360 thing that made it Philly, because I was gonna be 0:10:38.480 --> 0:10:40.760 I was pretty sure the four first U s sports 0:10:40.880 --> 0:10:43.400 riot would have happened in Philadelphia, but I was I 0:10:43.480 --> 0:10:47.640 was wrong about that. Um yeah there was. Yeah, it 0:10:47.679 --> 0:10:52.960 was the Johnson Jeffreys riots of nineteen ten. Um. And 0:10:53.240 --> 0:10:55.920 those happened in a bunch of cities, but not Philadelphia. 0:10:55.960 --> 0:10:58.240 There's like a shipload of US cities that have riots 0:10:58.480 --> 0:11:01.480 in nineteen ten over this it's a boxing match. None 0:11:01.480 --> 0:11:06.120 of them are Philly. Um. And yeah, it's what you'd expect. 0:11:06.440 --> 0:11:09.920 Jack Johnson becomes the first black world heavyweight champion, and 0:11:09.960 --> 0:11:13.760 then they so he becomes heavyweight champion, and all the 0:11:13.760 --> 0:11:16.240 white people in America are really pissed, and so they 0:11:16.320 --> 0:11:18.840 like find this white boxer to come out of retirement 0:11:18.880 --> 0:11:21.760 to fight him in nineteen ten. That's um, that's Jeffreys, 0:11:21.920 --> 0:11:23.959 who they call the Great White Hope. And then he 0:11:24.000 --> 0:11:28.199 gets his ass kicked. Yes, so there's I mean, it's 0:11:28.240 --> 0:11:30.839 not I mean there's horrible, horrible race riots where after 0:11:31.840 --> 0:11:34.679 it's a nightmare. But yes, the basic story is kind 0:11:34.720 --> 0:11:38.160 of funny. Um. Anyway, this was all because I wanted 0:11:38.160 --> 0:11:40.480 to make a joke about Philadelphia and sports riots, which 0:11:40.520 --> 0:11:44.200 wound up not being at all relevant. Uh So, sorry 0:11:44.240 --> 0:11:49.920 for the digression. But back to Jean. So in his 0:11:50.400 --> 0:11:53.320 dad takes him away from Haiti, they go to France. Um, 0:11:53.720 --> 0:11:56.199 and you know, they buy this farm in Philadelphia. It's 0:11:56.200 --> 0:11:58.360 mainly an investment farm, you know, so that they can 0:11:58.400 --> 0:12:00.000 make money. So that's kind of where the family money 0:12:00.559 --> 0:12:03.720 is coming from. While while Jean and his dad and 0:12:04.000 --> 0:12:08.520 his dad's wife who's not his mom raise him in 0:12:08.800 --> 0:12:11.760 Nantes in France. Um. And I should say that like 0:12:13.040 --> 0:12:17.360 his dad's wife, Anne Moynette Audubon, isn't like biologically his mom. 0:12:17.600 --> 0:12:20.680 I do think she like agrees, she is basically his mom, 0:12:20.720 --> 0:12:22.640 like she raises him and stuff, So credit to her 0:12:22.679 --> 0:12:25.920 for that. She seems to not as far as I know, 0:12:26.080 --> 0:12:27.880 doesn't take out on him the fact that his dad 0:12:27.960 --> 0:12:30.600 was just sleeping around with whoever the fuck, you know, Haiti, 0:12:30.920 --> 0:12:34.040 So that maybe maybe they had had a thing, you know, 0:12:34.040 --> 0:12:36.920 maybe they had a thing. Maybe she's who knows, Um 0:12:37.120 --> 0:12:40.880 they were French, you know, anything's possible. Uh. Yeah, So 0:12:41.120 --> 0:12:43.880 Anne was a pretty attentive mother as far as we knew. 0:12:44.160 --> 0:12:47.320 Jean Jacques, which is what he starts to become known as. 0:12:47.360 --> 0:12:50.199 So he's born gen Ibane, he starts to be known 0:12:50.240 --> 0:12:52.800 when they moved to France. They just treat him as 0:12:52.840 --> 0:12:56.960 their normal son and call him Jean Jacques audubon Um. 0:12:57.040 --> 0:12:59.120 So that's his name. Now he goes through a couple 0:12:59.120 --> 0:13:01.280 of names at this point. I know, it's kind of confusing. 0:13:01.679 --> 0:13:04.480 He is a pretty pampered upbringing. He's able to explore 0:13:04.480 --> 0:13:07.440 a wide variety of interests. He becomes fascinated by nature 0:13:07.480 --> 0:13:11.199 and spends long hours hiking through the countryside, drawing increasingly 0:13:11.240 --> 0:13:14.600 detailed depictions of landscapes and wildlife. And he had a 0:13:14.640 --> 0:13:17.760 particular fascination with birds. So he just loves hiking and 0:13:17.840 --> 0:13:21.920 drawing birds. So yeah, Vine, so far fine, Yeah, I mean, 0:13:22.000 --> 0:13:26.440 hiking is great. Hiking is wonderful being in nature. It's 0:13:26.960 --> 0:13:30.720 one of those things not enough people get to do anymore. 0:13:30.800 --> 0:13:34.839 And it really does like it, uh, it like resets you, 0:13:34.840 --> 0:13:36.920 you know, it balances you. I don't know why you 0:13:36.960 --> 0:13:38.719 look at a bunch of stupid birds and not, I 0:13:38.760 --> 0:13:41.680 don't know, get high or something. But like, good for him, Yeah, 0:13:41.720 --> 0:13:44.360 good for him. He's he's he's he's doing fine. So 0:13:44.400 --> 0:13:47.360 in eighteen o three, some dude named Napoleon gets all 0:13:47.440 --> 0:13:50.720 like Empiry and kind of gets into all these fights 0:13:50.720 --> 0:13:53.800 with basically everybody. You know, he's one of these one 0:13:53.800 --> 0:13:55.640 of these guys you get every now and then in 0:13:55.679 --> 0:13:58.360 Europe every eighty years or so. Who's like, you know what, 0:13:58.400 --> 0:14:02.439 I want to start a fight with everyone, every everybody 0:14:02.440 --> 0:14:07.760 in Europe? You know what? Yeah, I wanna try. I'm gonna, 0:14:07.800 --> 0:14:10.520 I'm gonna, I'm gonna go for it. I'm just gonna 0:14:10.559 --> 0:14:14.160 go for it for a little. For a while, he 0:14:14.280 --> 0:14:18.360 got closer than most. Yeah, it does usually work out 0:14:18.440 --> 0:14:22.720 for a while. Um So during the period while it's 0:14:22.760 --> 0:14:24.960 working out, in order to make it keep working out, 0:14:25.080 --> 0:14:28.000 Napoleon's like, well, I got a conscript people, right, I 0:14:28.040 --> 0:14:30.560 need more young men to throw a Prussian guns and 0:14:30.600 --> 0:14:33.200 to eventually leave starving in the snow outside of Moscow. Right, 0:14:33.440 --> 0:14:35.680 it's as standard as we've all been there, you know 0:14:35.680 --> 0:14:38.360 where Napoleon is. I can't blame him for it, um. 0:14:38.400 --> 0:14:41.160 But John's father is like, well, I don't really want 0:14:41.160 --> 0:14:42.960 my son to die a pointless death in the snow 0:14:42.960 --> 0:14:46.560 outside of Moscow fighting for a dictator. So I'm gonna 0:14:46.800 --> 0:14:48.960 just send him to the US. It seems like a 0:14:48.960 --> 0:14:54.040 better place for him right now. It's a little bit yeah, yeah, 0:14:54.040 --> 0:14:56.920 it's fine. Like I support draft dodging as a general rule, 0:14:56.960 --> 0:14:59.680 and that's yeah. I can see him looking at his 0:14:59.760 --> 0:15:05.040 son outside drawn birds. Yeah, he's gonna he's gonna die immediately. 0:15:05.720 --> 0:15:09.360 He's not gonna do well in this war thing. I've 0:15:09.360 --> 0:15:12.880 got a sensitive boy here. I'm not really I'm not 0:15:12.920 --> 0:15:16.000 feeling like the steps of Russia are a good spot 0:15:16.040 --> 0:15:20.120 for him. So Jean Jack lives on the family farm 0:15:20.400 --> 0:15:22.480 that you know. He moves to Pennsylvania and he lives 0:15:22.520 --> 0:15:25.760 on the family farm in mill Grove, Um And he's 0:15:25.880 --> 0:15:28.720 essentially a child of the aristocracy. Right. His family is 0:15:28.760 --> 0:15:30.800 not crazy rich, but they're well off, and he does 0:15:30.840 --> 0:15:32.640 not need to work for a living as a young man, 0:15:32.680 --> 0:15:35.200 he's like eighteen at this point, and so he takes 0:15:35.280 --> 0:15:38.600 up hiking and hunting with Gusto. He gets real into 0:15:38.680 --> 0:15:40.760 hunting when he moves to the US, and he becomes 0:15:40.760 --> 0:15:43.440 an excellent shot, which is not easy. The guns at 0:15:43.440 --> 0:15:45.920 the time are not rifled, which is like rifling are 0:15:45.960 --> 0:15:48.320 these little lines that they have going down the inside 0:15:48.320 --> 0:15:51.120 of a barrel that makes the bullet spin and it's 0:15:51.160 --> 0:15:54.600 like with a a football. The spin makes it so straight. 0:15:54.960 --> 0:15:57.440 They don't know how to do that yet, So shooting 0:15:57.440 --> 0:16:00.920 stuff is not easy. Um right, It's just like a 0:16:01.080 --> 0:16:04.400 stupid musket with a ball in it that you have 0:16:04.480 --> 0:16:08.280 to like take fifteen minutes to load and fires like 0:16:09.120 --> 0:16:12.640 feet maybe explodes in your face. Suck at this point. 0:16:12.760 --> 0:16:14.680 And yeah, but he's good with them. So he's he's 0:16:14.680 --> 0:16:16.800 good with them. I mean, they have enough money for 0:16:16.880 --> 0:16:19.440 the better guns at the time, so that's probably a factor. 0:16:19.800 --> 0:16:22.200 So he starts drawing the birds. He starts both shooting 0:16:22.240 --> 0:16:24.520 and then drawing birds, and he's using a shotgun for this, 0:16:24.600 --> 0:16:27.280 so it's it's easier to hit. Um. But yeah, so 0:16:27.320 --> 0:16:30.200 he'll he'll shoot birds and then he'll sketch them, and 0:16:30.720 --> 0:16:33.600 this becomes like his hobby, which is I don't know 0:16:33.600 --> 0:16:36.480 that a little creepy, right, I was about to say, 0:16:36.560 --> 0:16:41.680 that's a bird serial killer Jude Lan road to perdition 0:16:41.760 --> 0:16:44.920 taking photographs of his kills. It is one of those 0:16:44.960 --> 0:16:47.200 things because he gets very scientific about it and he 0:16:47.240 --> 0:16:50.080 has a huge impact on like the development of biology 0:16:50.160 --> 0:16:52.320 is a science because of what he does here, and 0:16:52.360 --> 0:16:55.320 it's worth acknowledging that, and it's also worth being like, 0:16:55.880 --> 0:16:58.400 but this is also like pretty close to stuff we 0:16:58.440 --> 0:17:02.280 get like serial killers do. He's not torturing them to 0:17:02.360 --> 0:17:05.639 his credit, like he's not extending their suffering, but having 0:17:05.680 --> 0:17:10.159 known people with interest in medical stuff. Um, there is 0:17:10.200 --> 0:17:13.040 a very fine line between a serial killer and a 0:17:13.240 --> 0:17:17.680 doctor or something who's interested in anatomy or like nature 0:17:17.880 --> 0:17:21.320 or a biologist, where it's like they're they're kind of 0:17:21.359 --> 0:17:26.040 doing it's the ven diagram. Yeah, Like there's some similar things. 0:17:26.080 --> 0:17:28.119 If if his parents had hit him a couple of 0:17:28.160 --> 0:17:30.320 times more, he probably would have been a lot worse 0:17:30.359 --> 0:17:32.159 to those birds, and then we might have gotten a 0:17:32.160 --> 0:17:36.520 real different story. Got a bond, you know, Yeah, Yeah, 0:17:36.520 --> 0:17:39.959 Like I feel like if Jeffrey Dahmer was doing what 0:17:40.040 --> 0:17:42.760 he was doing to like monkeys in a labe. We 0:17:42.760 --> 0:17:45.960 wouldn't have even thought twice about it, well, some of it, 0:17:46.040 --> 0:17:49.879 because he was off probably probably wouldn't have been okay, 0:17:50.880 --> 0:17:52.800 although it depends like look, it depends on what kind 0:17:52.800 --> 0:17:55.360 of lab. If it's like a lab that likes to party, right, 0:17:55.400 --> 0:17:58.840 if if it's if it's one of those like fucking uh, 0:17:59.000 --> 0:18:00.679 I don't know enough about colog is to make a 0:18:00.680 --> 0:18:07.040 good joke here, actually, Arizona State. Oh that's solid. Yeah, yeah, 0:18:07.520 --> 0:18:09.560 I mean we don't know what goes on in those labs. 0:18:09.600 --> 0:18:13.760 Nobody does. Nobody does break into a lab film them secretly, 0:18:13.840 --> 0:18:17.719 you know, to see what happens. So white people in 0:18:17.720 --> 0:18:21.280 this period of time no very little about North American wildlife. Right, Obviously, 0:18:21.280 --> 0:18:24.520 Indigenous people knew quite a bit about North American wildlife, 0:18:24.520 --> 0:18:27.640 but white people it's all this gigantic mystery too. So 0:18:28.040 --> 0:18:31.399 Jean ja Jean Jack decides that he's gonna he's gonna 0:18:31.480 --> 0:18:36.480 study wildlife a lot more than anyone has before. And 0:18:36.480 --> 0:18:38.120 one of the things he's curious about he keeps seeing 0:18:38.160 --> 0:18:41.280 these birds and he notices that, like, oh, these eastern phoebees, 0:18:41.320 --> 0:18:45.160 which is a type of bird, Like, there's birds here 0:18:45.320 --> 0:18:48.679 of that type every year at this time, I wonder 0:18:48.800 --> 0:18:51.280 if they're the same birds, right, because people don't know 0:18:52.000 --> 0:18:53.960 these white people don't know that, like migration is a 0:18:54.040 --> 0:18:58.720 thing in detail, right. I think there's people theorizing Yeah, yeah, 0:18:58.720 --> 0:19:00.600 why because you just see, like who knows if it's 0:19:00.600 --> 0:19:02.119 the same birds, maybe they all die and then I 0:19:02.160 --> 0:19:03.959 don't know. There's a bunch of things that are possible. 0:19:04.280 --> 0:19:07.479 So he's certain marking the Well, that's exactly what he decides. 0:19:07.520 --> 0:19:09.960 He's like, well, I'm gonna I'm gonna tie strings to 0:19:10.080 --> 0:19:12.800 the legs of a couple of different examples of this bird. 0:19:13.080 --> 0:19:15.200 And then if next year any birds with strings on 0:19:15.240 --> 0:19:17.359 their legs come back, Oh no, it's the same birds, 0:19:17.359 --> 0:19:20.920 and they're migrating in a set pattern. UM. And this 0:19:20.920 --> 0:19:22.480 this is what he does, and it works out great, 0:19:22.520 --> 0:19:24.480 Like they come back the next year and he's like, oh, ship, 0:19:24.520 --> 0:19:26.400 these are the same birds. You know, I have done 0:19:26.400 --> 0:19:29.280 a science UM and this is a huge step forward. 0:19:29.320 --> 0:19:31.120 He's the first person to ever do this, at least 0:19:31.160 --> 0:19:33.719 that we have any kind of documentation of. UM. And 0:19:33.760 --> 0:19:37.040 this is a massive like basically all modern like Avian 0:19:37.119 --> 0:19:40.760 science is pretty much descended from this experiment. UM. It's 0:19:40.760 --> 0:19:44.560 a big deal. You know, like establishing just like how 0:19:44.840 --> 0:19:47.200 birds work, kind of for the first time in a 0:19:47.240 --> 0:19:50.000 systemic way. Let me tell you right now, this guy, 0:19:50.080 --> 0:19:53.520 he seems to be fine right now, this is so 0:19:53.560 --> 0:19:56.959 far yeah, learning about birds. He's very curious to know 0:19:56.960 --> 0:20:01.399 how this goes horribly wrong. Well, it it does. It 0:20:01.440 --> 0:20:04.400 does because he's a terrible person, but not he's also 0:20:04.440 --> 0:20:08.560 a terrible person that does a bunch of Broadly speaking, 0:20:08.600 --> 0:20:13.639 his impact is more positive than negative, although that's quite debatable. 0:20:13.640 --> 0:20:15.280 We'll see where you how we feel about you know what, 0:20:15.280 --> 0:20:17.040 we'll have that conversation at how much you give a 0:20:17.240 --> 0:20:19.600 about birds. But you know who's you know whose impact 0:20:19.600 --> 0:20:22.080 on the world is definitely more positive than negative, Dave, 0:20:22.240 --> 0:20:25.560 it's me. Oh well yeah, for sure. Absolutely well, so 0:20:25.600 --> 0:20:31.879 far no one's and and you, Dave, are the primary 0:20:32.000 --> 0:20:35.320 sponsor of behind the Bastards. So we're gonna we're gonna 0:20:36.119 --> 0:20:40.080 cut to these ads from companies you own, companies like 0:20:40.560 --> 0:20:44.320 Hello Fresh and the Washington State Highway patrol um all 0:20:44.359 --> 0:20:58.000 all the personal property of David Bell. Uh uh, we're back. 0:20:58.640 --> 0:21:00.840 We're back, and we're having a great time time. Everything's fine, 0:21:01.119 --> 0:21:06.040 I'm performing perfectly. So he certainly agrees with that, all right, 0:21:06.840 --> 0:21:09.879 So you know he's doing good. He bands these birds, 0:21:09.960 --> 0:21:13.000 he figures out that migration is a thing. Um. But 0:21:13.119 --> 0:21:16.080 he's also you know, he keeps shooting and drawing birds, 0:21:16.119 --> 0:21:19.360 painting birds, and this time and he's frustrated by something, um, 0:21:19.400 --> 0:21:23.200 which is that he would love to like. So there's 0:21:23.200 --> 0:21:26.560 other naturalists who are like drawing and sketching birds, but 0:21:26.600 --> 0:21:28.400 like the thing that they have to do is they 0:21:28.400 --> 0:21:29.960 have to kill them because you can't you don't have 0:21:29.960 --> 0:21:33.560 a great goggles are like glasses, and it's not easy 0:21:33.600 --> 0:21:35.320 to get a good look at a bird to draw 0:21:35.359 --> 0:21:38.720 it while it's alive. Yeah, I get it. So you 0:21:38.800 --> 0:21:42.159 shoot it. And then what bird nerds are doing at 0:21:42.160 --> 0:21:43.960 this period of time is they shoot the birds and 0:21:43.960 --> 0:21:47.000 then they're like preserving their corpses with arsenic and stuffing 0:21:47.040 --> 0:21:49.840 them with frayed rope and then trying to sketch them. 0:21:49.880 --> 0:21:52.639 And they don't look great when you do that to him. 0:21:53.200 --> 0:21:55.919