1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:06,520 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stupidity, home of the greatest media mind ever 2 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 1: to walk the planet. 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:11,040 Speaker 2: I tell you what, man, He's a literal titan across 4 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 2: the entire media landscape. 5 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 3: Okay, sure, here's a deal. 6 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:17,599 Speaker 2: He's a true icon in every sense of the word. 7 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 1: He's loved and feared more than any being. 8 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 3: To Grace's planet, there. 9 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: Got a bed with a voice that sounds like Erry White, and. 10 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 2: Be got to say, Hey, let's do it, baby. 11 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 1: God himself would pay thirty nine ninety nine for a cameo. 12 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 1: Fact of the matter is you are about to embark 13 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:43,839 Speaker 1: on a transcendent experience that can only be described as 14 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 1: psychological nudity. This is Stu Box and this is Stupidity. 15 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 3: Here we go. 16 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 4: Jim Hoding, Welcome in to another episode of Stupidity, the 17 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 4: biggest podcast in the world. Thanks to you. Please subscribe, 18 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 4: rate and review unsubscribed, resubscribe, rerate, re review. By doing that, 19 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:07,120 Speaker 4: you have made us the biggest podcast in the world. 20 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 4: We thank you. Were presented by DraftKings. We have a 21 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:16,759 Speaker 4: rare Stupodity exclusive. This is very, very exciting, so exciting 22 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:20,480 Speaker 4: that mikey A who was stuck down in a motel 23 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 4: room in Tampa somewhere. He is so excited he's preparing 24 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 4: for the interview. He did not even show up for 25 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 4: the open. How about that? Did not even show up 26 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 4: for the open, mikey A. But Stan van Gundy a 27 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 4: couple of weeks ago agreed to come on this podcast. 28 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 4: He was still coaching the Pelicans at the time. And 29 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 4: then like a day later, Stan texted me that he 30 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:42,760 Speaker 4: couldn't do it. He couldn't do it for a week 31 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 4: or two. And I've been around. Stand I know, Stan 32 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 4: Stands a friend of ours, he's a friend of the show. 33 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 4: So I knew kind of what was happening in that moment, 34 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 4: or at least I had an idea of what was happening. Now, 35 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 4: two stands work okay, because he is such a good 36 00:01:56,800 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 4: friend Stan, because he agreed to do it while he 37 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 4: was still coaching the Pelicans. He now no longer is 38 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 4: coaching the Pelicans. But he wanted to aunt because this 39 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 4: is the kind of guy Stan is. He wanted to 40 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 4: honor the obligation that he made to me. So I 41 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 4: am getting Stan van Gundy first before anyone else in 42 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 4: the media. This is the first time Stan van Gundy 43 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 4: has spoken since being fired. After a single year as 44 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 4: the head coach of the New Orleans Pelicans. I am 45 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 4: super excited to talk to him. If mikey A was here, 46 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 4: I would play a game of athletes and entertainers that 47 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 4: Canota mode of transportation. Stan Van Gundy, have that Jeff 48 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 4: Van Gundy truck, Robinson, mL Carr, Chucky Carr. I'm playing 49 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 4: a game by myself. I'm losing my mind. I am crazy. 50 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 4: Let's get to the former coach and let's hope it 51 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 4: stays that way. My good friend, our good friend, Stan 52 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 4: Van Gundy. Stan, have you ever met mikey A, the 53 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:56,519 Speaker 4: Great mikey A, my producer? 54 00:02:57,240 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 2: Helloy, they're very nice to meet, Jiff meet you. That's right, Stan. 55 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:03,799 Speaker 4: You look like you are lounging right now. 56 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 2: I have never seen because I'm sitting on my bed. 57 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 2: I'll likely try to sit up a little. 58 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 3: No. No, no, no no. 59 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:12,919 Speaker 4: I liked, I liked. I liked where you were and 60 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 4: that was fun. 61 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 2: Yeah. 62 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 4: Yes, yes, it's exactly the way I envision you. 63 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 3: Hold on, hold on, I got the same colored shirt. 64 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 3: I'm gonna just rock with Stan right now. 65 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 4: It just dawned on me, and I'm sorry it took 66 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 4: it it took me this long. But Stan, you and 67 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 4: mikey A are like kindred spirits. I mean, you guys 68 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 4: would be best friends. I promise you. 69 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 2: I love it. 70 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 4: You could you could see why. 71 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 3: Right, Stan? We could go take a rascal around and 72 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 3: get a bit te, so you go. 73 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 2: I like that. 74 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 4: God we are laughing. 75 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 3: Uh Stan? 76 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 4: First off, I want to ask you, is this the 77 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 4: first interview you've done, like, because Levator and I are 78 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 4: laughing that I am getting the exclusive here on stupidity? 79 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 2: Was actually uh about that? Uh? Yesterday? That the stand 80 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 2: exclusive with body. I haven't done uh yeah, I've done 81 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 2: no media whatsoever, not just interviews like this. I haven't 82 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:19,039 Speaker 2: even talked to you know, the Beat writers or anybody else. So, 83 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 2: but you and I had talked about doing this before 84 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 2: I got. 85 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 4: Yes, Well yes, you know, and so you wanted that commitment. 86 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 4: Is that what you're saying? 87 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, and and but also we have a previous relationship 88 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 2: and the whole thing. So, but with everybody else, I've 89 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:37,839 Speaker 2: just I've just declined, even the people who only want 90 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:40,479 Speaker 2: to talk about like the NBA playoffs and stuff. I 91 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 2: just sort of want to be away from the media 92 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 2: for the most part right now. 93 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 4: Well, you kind of are still. I mean, it's stupidity, 94 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 4: but I want that. That's the beauty of what I've 95 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:57,840 Speaker 4: carved out from myself right now. Things better than watching 96 00:04:57,880 --> 00:04:59,359 Speaker 4: stand Fanny cackling. 97 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 2: I wouldn't say that's probably true, though. Nobody's ever going 98 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:05,479 Speaker 2: to confuse you for a journalist. 99 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 4: But we are laughing that you have granted the exclusive 100 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:14,280 Speaker 4: to a man whose logo a podcast whose logo is 101 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:16,839 Speaker 4: of a man sitting on a toilet stand. 102 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:21,839 Speaker 2: I'm well aware because you when the first time I 103 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 2: was on you, you gave me a framed uh which 104 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:29,599 Speaker 2: I have that's actually in my home in in Florida, 105 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 2: So I'm well aware of the logo. 106 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, does it have prominent Does it have a prominent 107 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 4: place in that home or not? 108 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 2: I would normally sit and do interviews like this. 109 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, So let me be a journalist for 110 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:45,559 Speaker 4: just a second, and then we'll get to some MBA 111 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:47,599 Speaker 4: and some baseball stuff, and then Mike's got some poll 112 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 4: questions for you. So I just want to go back 113 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 4: a couple of weeks, because you're right. I had you 114 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 4: booked on the podcast and you were going to come on, 115 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 4: and then you sent me a text and you and 116 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 4: I have known each other long enough where I kind 117 00:05:57,760 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 4: of had a feeling what that text meant and where 118 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:03,280 Speaker 4: was added in what was going on. But how Stan, 119 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 4: one year, Like, how surprised were you to get that 120 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:09,480 Speaker 4: call after just coaching the Pelicans for one year? 121 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 2: Yeah? I was pretty surprised. I mean because you know, 122 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:18,159 Speaker 2: not only only one year, but it was four weeks 123 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:22,480 Speaker 2: after the end of the season, and so you know, normally, 124 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 2: if that stuff's gonna happen, it's gonna happen pretty quickly 125 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:31,039 Speaker 2: at the end of the year, and it didn't. So yeah, 126 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 2: I was. I was surprised, And the day it happened, 127 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:35,040 Speaker 2: I was sort of taken aback. 128 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 4: David Griffin made it sound like this was a we decision, 129 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 4: that we agonized over this decision. That's the way it 130 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 4: came out, at least from where we were sitting. Is 131 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:49,039 Speaker 4: there truth to that? Was that? Was this a joint decision? Stan? 132 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:51,040 Speaker 4: I know you you wanted to keep coaching this team 133 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:52,280 Speaker 4: in particular. 134 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 2: Well you know, but I would say it was joint 135 00:06:56,760 --> 00:07:01,480 Speaker 2: in this sense that you know, and I think you 136 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:03,479 Speaker 2: can understand this. I don't want to I don't want 137 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:07,920 Speaker 2: to be somewhere where they don't want me, and they 138 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 2: didn't want me, and so I wasn't at that point gonna, 139 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 2: you know, gonna fight to try to, uh to stay there. 140 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 2: So it wasn't a mutual decision. It was funny when 141 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 2: I left Detroit, my owner there, who I really liked, 142 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 2: Tom Gores, also said it was a mutual decision, and 143 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 2: I said, uh, yeah, Tom asked me to leave, and 144 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 2: so I left. I guess that's it's mutual. You know, 145 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 2: this is the this is the same thing. But but 146 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 2: it was clear, you know, I think in our postseason 147 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 2: meetings here in New Orleans that uh, you know, it's 148 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 2: fair to say that we were just and I don't 149 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 2: want to get into a lot of the details of it, 150 00:07:55,920 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 2: but we just weren't on the same page at all about, 151 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 2: you know, what coaching is all about, and how coaches 152 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 2: should be judged and everything else. We just look at 153 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 2: coaching totally differently, and that became clear, you know, probably 154 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 2: a little bit during the season, but certainly after the season. 155 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 2: We're just on two totally different pages. And you know, 156 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 2: who's right who's wrong would be up to anybody's individual perspective, 157 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 2: but we certainly did not see things the same way. 158 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 4: Stan, I'm wondering here. 159 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 2: Mike. 160 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 4: Go ahead and ask that question if you want, but 161 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 4: I am wondering here. So hold on one second, mikey, 162 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 4: I am wondering if you've texted the Pistons owner since 163 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:42,559 Speaker 4: Reggie Jackson went on it has gone on this ridiculous 164 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 4: postseason run, and say, hey, I was fucking right about Reggie. 165 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 4: I told you this kid was good. 166 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:51,840 Speaker 2: Well, but here's the thing too. I mean, people in 167 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 2: Detroit ended up really not really souring on Reggie. But 168 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 2: if you look back on his time there, his first 169 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:02,680 Speaker 2: full year with US. We traded for him in the 170 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 2: fourteen to fifteen season, right around the trade deadline. His 171 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:11,080 Speaker 2: first full season fifteen sixteen, he was tremendous. We won 172 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 2: forty four games, Yeah, got a lot better, and he 173 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 2: was I think second leading fourth quarter scorer in the league. 174 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 2: I mean, he was unbelievable. And then even over the 175 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:23,319 Speaker 2: next two years, you know we were good. I mean, 176 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:26,680 Speaker 2: you know, we were above five hundred with when Reggie 177 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 2: was healthy. The problem was, he wasn't healthy very much, 178 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 2: and when he went down our last year in Detroit, 179 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 2: he went down. He was playing great to start the year, 180 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 2: we were probably thirty some games into the year and 181 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 2: we were fourth in the East at that point, and 182 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 2: he went down. Our problem was we just never figured 183 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 2: out over the time or added the people to the 184 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:51,440 Speaker 2: roster or whatever we needed to do to be able 185 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:54,439 Speaker 2: to play successfully without him. But he played very well 186 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 2: for us in Detroit, but suffered some bad injuries, and 187 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:02,200 Speaker 2: it's great to see him back healthy and doing what 188 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 2: he's He had a really good year for him, but 189 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 2: what he's doing in the playoffs is tremendous, and he's 190 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 2: making himself, you know, a lot of money in this 191 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:14,840 Speaker 2: playoff run for a guy who is basically on a 192 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:18,959 Speaker 2: minimum after the buyout in Detroit. I would think he's 193 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 2: going to sign for really good money. Uh. 194 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, he probably should. He's making just over a half 195 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 4: million dollars. Mike Ye, go ahead. You have a better 196 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 4: chance of staying asking answering this question than I do. Okay, 197 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 4: you ask it and listen. Because he loves you. I'm 198 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 4: telling you he loves you. He might just answer this, 199 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:35,440 Speaker 4: So go ahead, Mikey, listen. 200 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 3: We're kindred spirits, but you know I got to ask. 201 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:40,560 Speaker 3: You know, the reports are out there that Zion's family 202 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 3: was part of the reason that that you were let go. 203 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 3: How much did they have to do with that. 204 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:49,079 Speaker 2: I don't know anything about that. I had in my mind. 205 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:52,079 Speaker 2: I liked coaching Zion. I had a good relationship with them. 206 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 2: I had no problem. And I think we, you know, 207 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 2: elevated his platform that we gave him. We put him 208 00:10:59,920 --> 00:11:04,679 Speaker 2: in different situations heading, handling the ball a lot, playing 209 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 2: a lot of point guard. I thought we did some 210 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 2: some good things with him. If they were unhappy, I didn't. 211 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:18,560 Speaker 2: I didn't hear about it. Uh, Zion never I mean, 212 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 2: Zion was unhappy with us not winning more games, But 213 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 2: Zion never expressed to me any of that. That doesn't 214 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:31,319 Speaker 2: mean he wasn't unhappy. And I don't know. I mean 215 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 2: it possibly, it's possible, you know that they were unhappy 216 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 2: with me and that was part of what led to 217 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 2: the to the change. I hate it when it gets 218 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:48,559 Speaker 2: put on players. You know that players are getting coaches 219 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:51,680 Speaker 2: fired and things like that. I'm not a I think 220 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 2: that makes players look bad and I don't think it's fair. 221 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 2: Players certainly have the right to express their opinion to 222 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 2: people things like that, but front offices and owners make 223 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:07,840 Speaker 2: decisions and they're the ones inside to to fire people 224 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 2: and that shouldn't ever, ever ever be placed on be 225 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:15,560 Speaker 2: placed on players. And I know this regardless of what 226 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 2: happened in that regards. Zion's no coach killer. I mean, 227 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:20,680 Speaker 2: he's a guy that's going to help you win a 228 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:23,959 Speaker 2: lot of games. Uh. He plays the game the right way. 229 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 2: I uh. You know, one of the things I'll miss is, 230 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 2: you know, the opportunity to continue to coach him because 231 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 2: he's so you know, he's so unique in the way 232 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:37,680 Speaker 2: that he plays the game and the things that he 233 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 2: can do that you know, it really gets your mind 234 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:42,960 Speaker 2: spinning as a coach, and you have a lot of 235 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 2: possibilities in what you can do with him, and that 236 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 2: was fun to to explore. So I'm happy with what 237 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 2: we did with Zion. I think we helped him. You know, 238 00:12:56,880 --> 00:12:59,440 Speaker 2: how anybody else felt about that would be up to them. 239 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 4: Stan, what's the ceiling for Zion? What's your ceiling? 240 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:06,960 Speaker 2: Yeah? You know what I think, when you have players 241 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:11,199 Speaker 2: ad good, you don't even try to put a ceiling 242 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 2: on them. Right now, I think he's going to become 243 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 2: a good shooter. I really do. I watched him work 244 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 2: every day after practice with Fred Vinson, one of our assistants, 245 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 2: and Fred's a great, great shooting coach, and Zion was 246 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 2: making a lot of progress. I think the key is 247 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 2: is he getting in the gym with Fred in the offseason, 248 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 2: because quite honestly, he doesn't. He has never made those 249 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 2: kind of strides with other people working with him. So 250 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 2: but if he'll spend the time with Fred, I think 251 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 2: he'll make the leap as a shooter. I think he'll 252 00:13:57,160 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 2: shoot seventy five percent or so from the free throw line, 253 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:03,440 Speaker 2: and as much as he gets to the line, that's big. 254 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:07,680 Speaker 2: And I think eventually he'll be able to shoot the three. 255 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:10,320 Speaker 2: But one of the things he and I had talked 256 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 2: about is he really even more than shooting the three, 257 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:17,720 Speaker 2: he needs to just have a shot in the lane 258 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 2: where he doesn't get all the way to the rim, 259 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 2: a little floater and stuff, because you know the guy 260 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 2: what he does. He's a great finisher, but damn, I 261 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 2: mean he's he's going all the way to the rim 262 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 2: and challenging people on every possession, and not only is 263 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 2: that hard to do, it wears you down physically, and 264 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 2: he just gets a crap beat out of him. I 265 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 2: mean the guy gets hit. I mean he's broken fingers 266 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 2: on both hands. I mean, they're just wailing on him. 267 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 2: He needs something to make the game a little bit 268 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 2: easier on himself, and I think he realizes that. I 269 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 2: just think over the next five, six, seven years, this 270 00:14:56,640 --> 00:15:00,040 Speaker 2: guy's going to have incredible growth. Now. Where he he 271 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 2: really needs to make progress if he wants to win 272 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 2: is at the defensive end. I mean, I think he's 273 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 2: aware of that, and he just has to get a 274 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 2: lot better there. He struggled at the defensive end of 275 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 2: the floor. If he can make strides at that end, 276 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 2: that's even more important to me than the shooting. But look, 277 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 2: we had a very poor shooting team around Zion. I 278 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 2: mean we only had two guys who could really shoot 279 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 2: the three, brandon Ingram and Lonzo Ball. So Zion's out 280 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 2: there with not much shooting and the defense packed in 281 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 2: loaded up to him, and he still averaged twenty seven 282 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 2: points on sixty one percent shooting. I mean, you know, 283 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 2: he's just a phenomenal talent. He's got great competitiveness, and 284 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 2: he literally cannot keep him from getting to the rim. 285 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 2: There's just no way to play him to keep him 286 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 2: from getting to the rim, even when you know that's 287 00:15:57,280 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 2: where he's going every. 288 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 4: Time, Dan, I gotta tell you, you have to like 289 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 4: spend the rest of your retirement in that bed, in 290 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 4: that exact position. It's making me smile. I feel like 291 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 4: there's a plate of food headed your way, like room 292 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 4: services something like that. Why move against it? It's it's unbelievable. 293 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 2: My wife does a lot for me, but she's not 294 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 2: delivering food up here. No, no, no, I. 295 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 4: Didn't suggest that she was going to do that. It 296 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 4: just feels like the way I'm seeing this is you're 297 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 4: in a hotel and someone's going to be knocking on 298 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 4: the door like any minute with four scrambled eggs with 299 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 4: cheese and onions. A little. 300 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 2: Great, but not in New Orleans. Right now, we're heading 301 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 2: out of here on a Friday, So I got a 302 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 2: couple more days in New Orleans, and uh, this is. 303 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 4: The You had to love the food there, Stan, you 304 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 4: had to love the food in New Orleans. 305 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know it's great, I mean, and uh, you 306 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 2: know it was. It was strange year, as we all know, 307 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 2: with COVID, so nothing was really uh open, everything was 308 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 2: just takeout all year. Now it's just starting to open 309 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:04,159 Speaker 2: up as we're on our way out the door. 310 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 4: I'm not certain it should be, though. Dan and I 311 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:11,119 Speaker 4: were discussing that Deer District does not look safe. Stan doesn't. 312 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 2: There's a lot of it. There's a lot of questionable places. 313 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 2: The food is tremendous. I mean, you know, I mean, 314 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:23,679 Speaker 2: like we're watching the other night. My son likes to 315 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 2: he's visiting us, and he likes to watch those cooking shows, 316 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:30,679 Speaker 2: and so we're watching Master Chef and I'm going, Okay, 317 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:33,440 Speaker 2: there's a Ron Sanchez, he's got a place here. He's 318 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 2: restaurants here. And there's Emerald Lagassi and he's got a 319 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:40,399 Speaker 2: place here. I mean, you know, it's just you know, 320 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 2: the food is fantastic. 321 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:46,159 Speaker 4: Just going by the way you mentioned defense and Zion, 322 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 4: I think I know the problem here. Okay, you guys 323 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 4: were too good. This is an offensive league, now, spoiler 324 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 4: doesn't No, no, no, you guys were one of the best 325 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:58,120 Speaker 4: teams defensively after the All Star breaks. Daniel were making 326 00:17:58,160 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 4: them work too hard. 327 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 2: Well, that was you know, that may be part of it. 328 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 2: I mean we were on them. We were We're next 329 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:09,200 Speaker 2: to last in the league defensively before the All Star 330 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:14,360 Speaker 2: break and seven the break, and so you know, one 331 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 2: of the things that One of the things that surprised 332 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:20,440 Speaker 2: me about being let go is I think we had 333 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 2: seven guys that had come back from the previous year, 334 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 2: and by all the advanced numbers and that everybody uses, 335 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 2: all of those seven guys got better, most of them appreciably, 336 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:37,120 Speaker 2: So we really improved defensively over the course of the year, 337 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 2: even with a roster with very limited shooting. We were 338 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:46,119 Speaker 2: eleventh in the league in offensive efficiency. I mean, I 339 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:52,479 Speaker 2: just thought there was good progress going on. But you know, 340 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:56,639 Speaker 2: somebody else will now have to take it the next step, 341 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:58,720 Speaker 2: and there's a lot of good coaches out there, and 342 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 2: I think this is a is still an attractive job 343 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:05,160 Speaker 2: because New Orleans a great city. It's a young team, 344 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 2: too young, quite honestly. You need to get older. That's 345 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:12,040 Speaker 2: one of the big problems, you know. I mean two 346 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 2: thirds of our points were scored by guys twenty three 347 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 2: and younger. I mean, it's just too much. But there's 348 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 2: a lot of potential here, and you've got a generational 349 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:24,360 Speaker 2: talent at the at the core of it. 350 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 4: Who would Stan van Gundy hire to replace Dan van Gundy? 351 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:31,399 Speaker 2: I don't know, but it was funny because one of 352 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 2: the names getting mentioned as a as a finalist is 353 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 2: Jock Vaughan. I love Jock, but Jock followed me in Orlando, 354 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:41,679 Speaker 2: so you know, I'm like, you know, Jock, make this 355 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 2: one work, because I did. I'm not taking another one. 356 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 2: I can't. I can't hear the path for you there, 357 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 2: you know, So I don't know who I would I 358 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 2: think quite honestly, you know, if it were me, i'd 359 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:59,639 Speaker 2: stay in house and and go with like Fred Vinson 360 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 2: because use that I worry about. These young guys are 361 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:07,920 Speaker 2: now on there will be on their third coach in 362 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:11,720 Speaker 2: three years. And for guys like Ingram, who came from 363 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 2: LA you know, his fourth coach in four years, because 364 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:18,040 Speaker 2: he went from Luke Walton to Alvin Gentry to me. 365 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:20,640 Speaker 2: And I think that's hard for guy. I think it's 366 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:24,680 Speaker 2: hard for anybody if the system and everything, the terminology, 367 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:27,359 Speaker 2: all of that is changing a lot, but especially for 368 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 2: young guys. And if you you know, if you stick 369 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 2: with a guy like Fred Vinson, he was I mean, 370 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:37,199 Speaker 2: he's been here even before Alvin Gentry, but you know, 371 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:39,400 Speaker 2: he was with Alvin, so he knows what the players 372 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:42,199 Speaker 2: went through then he was with me. He knows what 373 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 2: the players went through. Then and he doesn't have to 374 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:49,919 Speaker 2: redo everything. He can stay with some stuff that is 375 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 2: familiar to guys to ease the transition, while at the 376 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:57,360 Speaker 2: same time putting his own imprint on the team. Now, 377 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 2: I will say, I think it's highly unlikely that David 378 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:04,880 Speaker 2: Griffin or Trajan Langdon will ask for my input on. 379 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 4: The but if they do, make sure you're laying in 380 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:09,440 Speaker 4: that bed. 381 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 2: Okay, highly unlikely, But for me it makes sense. I 382 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 2: think sometimes what front offices don't value enough is continuity 383 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:25,160 Speaker 2: and allowing guys to grow and understand, you know, get 384 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:30,679 Speaker 2: comfortable in a in a system. And I think, you know, 385 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:33,240 Speaker 2: here with all the young guys they have, I mean, 386 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 2: you know, I think it would help them a lot, 387 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:38,440 Speaker 2: But but it's not my call. 388 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:41,360 Speaker 4: Stan. That's puzzling to me. Do you like the other 389 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:44,120 Speaker 4: organizations look at the Spurs and the Heat and say, hey, 390 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:45,639 Speaker 4: look what consistency bought that. 391 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 2: You know, the Heat the dazz you know, I mean 392 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 2: it it works. And the Heat in particular, you know, 393 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:04,679 Speaker 2: I think is a really you know, good model for 394 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:08,440 Speaker 2: people because while the Heat have had some great years, 395 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:12,720 Speaker 2: as you know, they've had down years over the times too, 396 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 2: and they've had years where they haven't made the playoffs 397 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 2: in that run. In fact, before they went to the 398 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:20,720 Speaker 2: finals last year, they had missed the playoffs three of 399 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 2: the previous five years. But they stay the course. And 400 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:27,399 Speaker 2: so you look at San Antonio and they're going to 401 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 2: the playoffs twenty some straight years. You say, okay, well yeah, 402 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 2: but they've had that success. Well, the Heat has had 403 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:37,720 Speaker 2: ups and downs and stuck with it and it works. 404 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:40,160 Speaker 2: And it works for a lot of reasons. I think. 405 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 2: You know, if you're trying to decide who to sign 406 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:46,840 Speaker 2: in free agency, who to trade for, who to draft, 407 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 2: you know what our system's going to be. You know 408 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:53,439 Speaker 2: what our values are as an organization. It's easier to 409 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 2: make that fit. Everybody wants to talk about culture all 410 00:22:57,080 --> 00:23:00,199 Speaker 2: the time. Well, the Heat have built a culture or 411 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:04,360 Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean Pat got there twenty six, 412 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 2: twenty seven years ago, and it's been the same culture. 413 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 2: I mean, Eric Spolster has been there since day one, 414 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:15,200 Speaker 2: you know, and come through. Pat's been there since day one. 415 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:18,680 Speaker 2: And so they're building on that culture all the time. 416 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 2: And it is surprising that you could see that going 417 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 2: on and similar stuff in San Antonio and similar stuff 418 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 2: in Utah and and not say wow, that works, like 419 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 2: you know, people just ignore it and keep making changes 420 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:39,720 Speaker 2: all the time. It's it's hard to understand, but that's 421 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:40,360 Speaker 2: the way it is. 422 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 4: Wait, Stan, did you break news while laying comfortably in 423 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 4: a bed, because it's the way you should announce that 424 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:47,120 Speaker 4: you're not going to coach again. Did you say you're 425 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 4: never going to coach again? This is it? 426 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:50,960 Speaker 2: Stand? Well, you never you never say never. But I 427 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:56,639 Speaker 2: think you know, I'll be sixty two years old and 428 00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:01,240 Speaker 2: I've been lucky. You know, I've had four jobs in 429 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:05,200 Speaker 2: this league and been at it for a long time, 430 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:09,640 Speaker 2: and I think it would be highly unlikely. On top 431 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,919 Speaker 2: of the fact that I really love my wife and 432 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 2: I want to stay married, and I think another another 433 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:19,679 Speaker 2: coaching job would leave me. Uh, it would leave me 434 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 2: with a divorce, and I don't I don't want that. 435 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 4: So oh my wife would love if I coached. 436 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, So yeah, I think we're I think we're done. 437 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 2: You never say never. I'll never use the word retirement 438 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:38,680 Speaker 2: because you just never know, you know, like what could 439 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:42,199 Speaker 2: come up. I mean, they might put an expansion franchise 440 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:45,639 Speaker 2: in Lake Mary, Florida. You know, I've I mean, you 441 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 2: worked as two teams. Why can't Central Florida have two 442 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,199 Speaker 2: teams where I could just walk to work and my 443 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:54,560 Speaker 2: wife wouldn't have to move or anything. So you never know, 444 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 2: you never know. 445 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 4: I always thought like a good like I thought college. 446 00:24:58,040 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 4: I always thought, I know you've done it before, but 447 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 4: I thought college like a small college town, stan Van Gundy, 448 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 4: like I could see you being a college coach one 449 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:07,920 Speaker 4: more times, Dan, Well. 450 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 2: I'll tell you it is. If I did it in college, 451 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 2: I would want to do exactly what you said. I'd 452 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,040 Speaker 2: want to go the small college route. I wouldn't want 453 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:22,119 Speaker 2: any part of right power conferences and recruiting that goes 454 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:25,639 Speaker 2: with that and everything else. I mean, I've had a 455 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,240 Speaker 2: lot of great jobs. It's been an exciting career, but 456 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 2: probably the most fun I've ever had coaching was my 457 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:34,680 Speaker 2: first head coaching job at Casselton State College in Vermont. 458 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 2: You know, of course, yes, you know. Those guys were 459 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:41,119 Speaker 2: playing simply because they loved to play. We had good teams, 460 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 2: we won a lot, great people. I'm still in touch 461 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:48,200 Speaker 2: with virtually every one of those guys. I mean a 462 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:49,959 Speaker 2: lot of it was we were the same age. I mean, 463 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,360 Speaker 2: I was only twenty four years old when I when 464 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 2: I took that job, but I've stayed in touch with 465 00:25:56,119 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 2: those guys for you know, almost forty years now, and yeah, 466 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:05,959 Speaker 2: it was great fun and those levels are great. I 467 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:10,160 Speaker 2: remember Dick Bennett, great coach, and he'd been at Wisconsin 468 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 2: Green Bay in one and then he was at Wisconsin, 469 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 2: went to the final four, and I remember talking to him. 470 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 2: He succeeded me after they fired me at Wisconsin, and 471 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 2: I always had a lot of respect for Dick, and 472 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:26,199 Speaker 2: I remember talking to him and asking him how it 473 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:28,880 Speaker 2: was going, and he said, you know what, I went 474 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:32,520 Speaker 2: one step too far in his career. Like at Green Bay, 475 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:34,919 Speaker 2: he said, I had one reporter I had to deal with. 476 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,000 Speaker 2: I didn't deal with the booster club. I just coached 477 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:41,919 Speaker 2: my team. And you know, we're all sort of into profession. 478 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 2: You get competitive and your ego gets carried away and 479 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 2: you always want the next level up, the next level up, 480 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:50,480 Speaker 2: the next challenge. But a lot of times when you 481 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:54,119 Speaker 2: look back, you think, boy, I probably would have been 482 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:57,680 Speaker 2: a lot happier had I just stayed where I was. 483 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:02,639 Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean I like the small college level, 484 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 2: and I know my wife and I have talked about 485 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:06,159 Speaker 2: it over the years. What would have happened if we 486 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 2: would have just stayed there, I mean we would have 487 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,360 Speaker 2: starved for what they were paying me. Then we were 488 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:11,359 Speaker 2: literally would have started. 489 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 4: You'd be several million dollars. 490 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:14,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot. 491 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,680 Speaker 2: And so I don't regret anything. And it's been thrilling 492 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:22,280 Speaker 2: to go through this stuff in the NBA. But yeah, 493 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 2: to me, those are great jobs if you get a 494 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,159 Speaker 2: good small college job and live, like you said, in 495 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:31,640 Speaker 2: a nice small college town, I mean, raise your kids there, 496 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,200 Speaker 2: I mean a great, great existence. 497 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:38,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, Stan, I'm wondering what are your thoughts here? Is 498 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 4: the best team going to win the NBA title or 499 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,080 Speaker 4: is the healthiest team going to win the NBA title? 500 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:47,200 Speaker 2: The healthiest I mean, yeah, just it's always a factor, 501 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 2: but this year has been beyond absurd, uh, in what 502 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:58,520 Speaker 2: we're dealing with. I don't think this playoffs has had 503 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 2: or will have, any indication of who the best team is. 504 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,120 Speaker 2: I mean, like, I'm really happy for Phoenix. I think 505 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:09,200 Speaker 2: they've done everything the right way. I'm happy for Chris 506 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:13,639 Speaker 2: Paul playoff run. Manti Williams is a great coach and 507 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:15,919 Speaker 2: a great guy. But if you look, I mean they 508 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,479 Speaker 2: play the Lakers and Anthony Davis is out, and then 509 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:23,440 Speaker 2: they get to play Denver without Yo, I mean without 510 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:27,159 Speaker 2: Jamal Murray, and then you know, now they're playing the 511 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,680 Speaker 2: Clippers without Kawhi Leonard. And if you look at what's 512 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 2: going on in the East, if Phoenix can win, they 513 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,159 Speaker 2: can go play the finals either against Milwaukee maybe without 514 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 2: Yannis or Atlanta maybe without Trey Young. I mean, like 515 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 2: you know, there's no asterisks by any title, but you 516 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 2: would wonder like, did Phoenix really have to go through 517 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 2: the gauntlet to prove they were the best team or 518 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 2: did they just stay healthiest? 519 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 3: How much of that is because of the truncated offseason. 520 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 3: How much of the injuries that we've seen. 521 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think a couple of things. I think the 522 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:13,160 Speaker 2: shortened off season, the shortened training camp and not having 523 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 2: the time before it. I mean, normally, guys come back 524 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,920 Speaker 2: around Labor Day and they're spending time in the gym 525 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 2: every day getting in shape, playing and then you've got 526 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 2: that three week training camp with exhibition games and everything. 527 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 2: This year, none of that pre training camp time back 528 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:35,000 Speaker 2: in the gym two weeks and you're playing and you're 529 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:40,080 Speaker 2: playing games, and so I think conditioning was not good. 530 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,560 Speaker 2: It wasn't guys were worn down a little bit, but 531 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:47,680 Speaker 2: not in great shape. And then the season was so 532 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 2: compressed that no one had the practice time they were 533 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 2: used to, so conditioning suffered. I just think players are 534 00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 2: not in as good as shape as they normally are, 535 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,600 Speaker 2: and that led to a lot of the injuries. The 536 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:07,480 Speaker 2: combination of fatigue and the you know, not having the 537 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:11,160 Speaker 2: conditioning to deal with it as not being good. But look, 538 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 2: all everybody, players, coaches, front offices, owners, everybody involved the 539 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:20,640 Speaker 2: league office, we all knew what we were getting into. 540 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:23,400 Speaker 2: This was a money grab, That's what it was. It 541 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 2: was a money grab, and so everybody knew what the 542 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 2: risks were and we all signed up for it. So 543 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,240 Speaker 2: it's just what it is. I mean, it was the 544 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 2: only way to keep the business afloat, and keeping the 545 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:40,240 Speaker 2: business afloat is important, and so I think Adam Silver 546 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 2: in the league office knew it too. But what is 547 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,800 Speaker 2: the alternative? What was the alternative? You know, the players 548 00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:49,040 Speaker 2: didn't want to make half the money that they normally 549 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:52,720 Speaker 2: make and everything else, we're already losing money because people 550 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:54,920 Speaker 2: aren't in the arenas. You had to do what you 551 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:59,080 Speaker 2: had to do to keep the business afloat and it's 552 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:02,720 Speaker 2: not just about the money everybody made, but keep the 553 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:06,240 Speaker 2: business out in front of the fans too, having games 554 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,160 Speaker 2: on TV all the time. Getting back to that, that's 555 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,520 Speaker 2: important for the business and the health of the league. 556 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,160 Speaker 2: And so all I look at it is the players 557 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:19,720 Speaker 2: made a big sacrifice, but for their own greater good 558 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,440 Speaker 2: and for the greater good of the league. It's just 559 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,800 Speaker 2: what it is. And so it's unfortunate. I think that 560 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:31,560 Speaker 2: the playoffs the most important time of the year that, 561 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 2: as Steu said, everything's just coming down to health. I 562 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:39,120 Speaker 2: think that's unfortunate that we're not seeing the teams match 563 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:43,520 Speaker 2: up and play the best against the best. You know, 564 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,479 Speaker 2: I think that's unfortunate, But I just don't know how 565 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:47,760 Speaker 2: you avoid it. 566 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 4: Stan. If the Nets are healthy, do they win the title? 567 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:52,479 Speaker 2: They would have been hard to beat. I mean they 568 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:56,040 Speaker 2: had the most talent. So you know, now, whether they 569 00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:56,520 Speaker 2: win the. 570 00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,680 Speaker 4: Title them of the Lakers, I guess right, yeah, you 571 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:00,239 Speaker 4: never know. 572 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,080 Speaker 2: When the Lakers weren't healthy, I mean, like who was healthy. 573 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:06,520 Speaker 2: That's the thing. The Clippers aren't healthy. The Suns, you know, 574 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,280 Speaker 2: the sons of stayed relatively healthy. Other than the COVID 575 00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:16,640 Speaker 2: thing with with Paul yeah. I mean, but Brooklyn is 576 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,960 Speaker 2: immensely talented. And the thing is, with the talent they had, 577 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 2: if they had all three of those guys, they can 578 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 2: survive an off night by one of them every night. 579 00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 2: Because you've still got those two stars. I don't know 580 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:33,800 Speaker 2: how you guard them. I honestly don't. If all three 581 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:35,600 Speaker 2: of those guys play, how do you guard them? 582 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:37,760 Speaker 4: Do you agree with me because Lebator was giving me 583 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,120 Speaker 4: a hard time? The guys on the show agreed with 584 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,920 Speaker 4: me when I said that Kevin Durant was being celebrated 585 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 4: more in defeat than he ever has been in victory. 586 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:46,440 Speaker 3: Do you agree with that? 587 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 2: But do actually agree with that? 588 00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:49,720 Speaker 3: I think? 589 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:54,080 Speaker 2: I think what happened is I don't think he actually 590 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,600 Speaker 2: was celebrated in victory in Golden State. First of all, 591 00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 2: people mocked in for leaving Oakla Holme and to join 592 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:04,680 Speaker 2: a championship team, and then even though he was the 593 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:08,120 Speaker 2: finals MVP, the fact that he had all those guys 594 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:11,640 Speaker 2: around him, I don't think he got the respect. And 595 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,080 Speaker 2: then he goes to Brooklyn and everybody else gets hurt, 596 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:17,040 Speaker 2: and he's out there without Kyrie and without James Harden 597 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:21,680 Speaker 2: and getting forty eight points. You know in a game seven. Yeah, 598 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:27,360 Speaker 2: I think that the respect for him, at least from 599 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:31,920 Speaker 2: a fans perspective and from an outside perspective, certainly grew 600 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:35,720 Speaker 2: this year beyond anything people felt for him in Golden State. 601 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,080 Speaker 4: All Right, two quick ones, we'll get you out of here. 602 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:41,160 Speaker 4: Scottie Pippen on the Dan Patrick Show. Now listen, Dan 603 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,120 Speaker 4: and I had Scottie Pippen on our show a week 604 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,560 Speaker 4: before Dan Patrick did, and all we did was drink 605 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,160 Speaker 4: whiskey with him. Okay, we got nothing out of him. Okay, 606 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,960 Speaker 4: but you know our shows, Dad, and then Dan Patrick 607 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,880 Speaker 4: had him on, and Dan Patrick somehow got to a 608 00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,880 Speaker 4: place where Scotty Pippen called Phil Jackson races. Then we 609 00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,560 Speaker 4: had Dan Patrick on to make fun of us, Okay, 610 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:02,880 Speaker 4: because he's a lot better at this than we are. 611 00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:06,880 Speaker 4: But I digress. Dan. Your thoughts on Scottie Pippen saying 612 00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:10,040 Speaker 4: that Phil Jackson is racist. 613 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:15,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was disappointed to hear that. Obviously, I can't 614 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 2: comment on whether Phil is or isn't. I haven't been 615 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:25,600 Speaker 2: around Phil. It just Scotty Pippen to me, over the 616 00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:31,960 Speaker 2: last few years has seemed like desperate for attention, and 617 00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,800 Speaker 2: that that has disappointed me because a guy was a great, 618 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:39,480 Speaker 2: great player, and he seems to be now saying more 619 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:43,920 Speaker 2: and more provocative things. It almost seems like an attempt 620 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:49,359 Speaker 2: to be relevant, And I think that's sort of sad 621 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,920 Speaker 2: because he he's relevant for what he did in this 622 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:56,120 Speaker 2: league and that should be enough. But I didn't think 623 00:34:56,239 --> 00:35:01,319 Speaker 2: his you know, his criticisms of Kevin Garnett. I mean, 624 00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:06,480 Speaker 2: Kevin Durant was very fair, and then the stuff on Phil, 625 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:11,280 Speaker 2: like if you had those things to say, like why now? 626 00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:17,360 Speaker 2: What ended up happening is Kevin Durant made the point 627 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:20,520 Speaker 2: about him at the end of the game in ninety four, 628 00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:25,000 Speaker 2: and so to defend himself, he came back with Phil's 629 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,640 Speaker 2: a racist, Like Phil Jackson wasn't part of this debate 630 00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:32,440 Speaker 2: at all. It was Kevin Durant and Scottie Pippen, and 631 00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:36,640 Speaker 2: he tried to call out Kevin Durant, and Kevin Durant 632 00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,759 Speaker 2: came back at him about that incident, and then he 633 00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:43,200 Speaker 2: came back with I was disrespected. In fact, it was 634 00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,680 Speaker 2: because Phil was a racist, And I'm like, what the 635 00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:49,520 Speaker 2: hell's going on? Like where did this come from? And 636 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:54,680 Speaker 2: if Scotty really felt that, really felt that, why didn't 637 00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,799 Speaker 2: it come out when he was playing for him? Why 638 00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:01,120 Speaker 2: didn't it come up before this? Why didn't it come 639 00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:04,640 Speaker 2: up when they were doing the last dance? Why? You know, like, 640 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:08,600 Speaker 2: where is this all coming from? I just thought it 641 00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:11,560 Speaker 2: was subourbon. Yeah, well, and I thought it was sad. 642 00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:17,239 Speaker 2: And I've always thought when people, like years later go 643 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:22,879 Speaker 2: after guys they played with, or coaches or coaches go 644 00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:26,279 Speaker 2: after people who played for him, and that always disappoints 645 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:30,600 Speaker 2: me because you know, you may not like everybody you're 646 00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,200 Speaker 2: involved with, but people come together as a team and 647 00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:37,000 Speaker 2: there's a little bit of a or should be a 648 00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,719 Speaker 2: bond and keeping things in the locker room, and it's 649 00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:43,319 Speaker 2: one thing when it's happening, but you know, years later 650 00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:45,480 Speaker 2: to just come out and rip the guy and that's 651 00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:49,799 Speaker 2: a pretty serious charge. And he's coming up with it, 652 00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,920 Speaker 2: you know, almost thirty years later, like what the hell? 653 00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:57,360 Speaker 4: Yep, kind of strange. We'll get to the Poul questions 654 00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,040 Speaker 4: just a second. Mike and I are both you know, 655 00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,719 Speaker 4: I'm a Nick fan. Mikey is a huge Nick fan 656 00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:06,080 Speaker 4: as well. You're very friendly. You love Tom Thibodeau, Mikey 657 00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,239 Speaker 4: A and I think that they should erect a statue 658 00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,760 Speaker 4: of Tom Thibodeau in front of Madison Square Gordon simply 659 00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,280 Speaker 4: for making them normal, that would do you agree? 660 00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:19,160 Speaker 2: I'm not sure anybody exceeded expectations more than than they did. 661 00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:21,160 Speaker 2: And it was Tom's type of team. You know. He 662 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,640 Speaker 2: just got a lot of tough guys to get in 663 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,799 Speaker 2: there and play well. And then they weren't a particularly 664 00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:30,160 Speaker 2: great offensive team. He got a great year out of 665 00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:33,800 Speaker 2: Julius Randall and then they were the normal, hard nose, 666 00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:37,920 Speaker 2: tough defensive team that would compete every night. And he 667 00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:41,319 Speaker 2: went and got veteran guys. I mean, you know, these 668 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,720 Speaker 2: teams that want to play with nothing but young guys, 669 00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:47,360 Speaker 2: it's tough. I mean they went Derrick Rose and Toz 670 00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:51,279 Speaker 2: Gibson and you know, Reggie Bullock's been around, and I 671 00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:54,560 Speaker 2: mean they they went and got older guys. It's Tom's 672 00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,520 Speaker 2: type of team. They did a great job and give 673 00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:01,200 Speaker 2: their front office a lot of credit because they let 674 00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:04,600 Speaker 2: Tom build the team in the image that he wanted. 675 00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:08,359 Speaker 2: Now their challenge becomes greater, as you know, I mean, 676 00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:14,840 Speaker 2: it's one thing to take the step from bad to decent, 677 00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,360 Speaker 2: you know, but to rise above that now it's hard 678 00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:20,759 Speaker 2: because you've got to find a way to build a 679 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:24,040 Speaker 2: better roster, and that's not going to be that's not 680 00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:29,000 Speaker 2: going to be easy. And for them as they acquire 681 00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:34,160 Speaker 2: more talent, can they acquire more talent that also fits 682 00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:37,680 Speaker 2: with Tom's defensive mentality and toughness and the way they 683 00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,680 Speaker 2: want to play. So it's not going to be easy 684 00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:46,040 Speaker 2: for Leon Rose going forward. But I know Nick fans 685 00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:48,400 Speaker 2: are really really really excited. 686 00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, excited that we're not in embarrassment and to back 687 00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:53,480 Speaker 4: to our earlier point. Just stay with Tom, like give 688 00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:56,320 Speaker 4: him like five, six, seven, eight years to like play it. 689 00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,160 Speaker 2: I think he has you know, he has a good 690 00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:04,600 Speaker 2: relationship with Leon. Leon used to be his agent. Sure, 691 00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:07,440 Speaker 2: and so I think they've got a chance to stay 692 00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,799 Speaker 2: the course, even if there's some ups and downs. And 693 00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:13,080 Speaker 2: if they do, it'll it'll all work all right. 694 00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:14,719 Speaker 4: Mikey get him out of here with a couple of 695 00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:17,279 Speaker 4: pole questions. Here he loves the Levatar show. I'm gonna 696 00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:19,040 Speaker 4: make a pitch to have him come back and work 697 00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:22,560 Speaker 4: for us in the second year. He's just laying around 698 00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:25,359 Speaker 4: in a bed. But anyway, Mike, give him a couple 699 00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:26,480 Speaker 4: of pole questions. 700 00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:29,759 Speaker 3: Let's stay where we were at. Does Thibodau want to 701 00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:33,480 Speaker 3: sign a defensive tackle. I was sad. 702 00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:35,200 Speaker 4: I was making the point of the show to Dan 703 00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:39,080 Speaker 4: that Thibodeau but grudgingly said that we're gonna, you know, 704 00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:40,799 Speaker 4: we have to improve the offense and we'll look at 705 00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:42,799 Speaker 4: some shooters here. He doesn't really want to do that. 706 00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:44,879 Speaker 4: He wants to sign a LOADI nata. I mean that's 707 00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:52,120 Speaker 4: what he wants. Yes, that's good, Mike, what are you 708 00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:55,839 Speaker 4: laughing at? You know he wants he wants five nose 709 00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,360 Speaker 4: tackles on the floor, Mike, Oh god, yeah. 710 00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:01,759 Speaker 2: He would. You know, those guys are free agents. You know. 711 00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:07,200 Speaker 2: If he could get Aaron Donald or McDonald, they very 712 00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:09,319 Speaker 2: well with it. 713 00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,120 Speaker 3: Uh Stan, Do you trust expiration dates? 714 00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:20,799 Speaker 2: Absolutely? Yes, absolutely, I'm not gonna mess It depends on 715 00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,520 Speaker 2: what it is, but on on almost all foods. Yeah, 716 00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:26,760 Speaker 2: like I'm gonna trust it's you know, if it's mustard 717 00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:31,359 Speaker 2: or something, no big deal. But milk, meat, stuff like that. Yeah, 718 00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:33,240 Speaker 2: I'm not messing with inspiration dates. 719 00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:36,080 Speaker 4: We were discussing milk, and this should not shock you 720 00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,320 Speaker 4: at all, because you know our entire show, Chris Cody 721 00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,520 Speaker 4: said he will always drink milk. A couple of days 722 00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:41,360 Speaker 4: after the exportation. 723 00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:47,520 Speaker 2: Oh it doesn't surprise me, but man, I mean not 724 00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:48,880 Speaker 2: mess with expiration. 725 00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:50,479 Speaker 4: I'm with you. 726 00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,600 Speaker 3: Is the grocery store of prankster's delight. 727 00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,759 Speaker 2: I've never thought about that. I guess it could be, 728 00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:00,080 Speaker 2: but I've never looked at. 729 00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,680 Speaker 4: That was Billy's Uh, that was Billy's observation. He's a 730 00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:06,399 Speaker 4: little quirky. Go ahead, my couple more. 731 00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:10,440 Speaker 3: Is fair Life chocolate milk the most underrated thing in 732 00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:11,360 Speaker 3: the drink category? 733 00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:12,919 Speaker 4: Have you had fair Life chocolate milks? 734 00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:14,719 Speaker 2: There? Have not. I was just gonna say, I can't 735 00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:16,200 Speaker 2: comment on that. Is it that good? 736 00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:18,600 Speaker 4: It is that good? I just go try it and 737 00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:19,879 Speaker 4: the next time we'll have. 738 00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:23,680 Speaker 2: You chocolate milk. You know, we're probably going to the 739 00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:25,359 Speaker 2: store today, so I might have to try. 740 00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:27,520 Speaker 4: So all I tried? Mike got one more for? 741 00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,799 Speaker 3: Uh? Is Stu gotts lying When he says that's all 742 00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:31,200 Speaker 3: I got? 743 00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:34,320 Speaker 4: You should have just stopped and stut lying. 744 00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:40,120 Speaker 2: I didn't even need to add in that got lying? 745 00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:41,520 Speaker 2: Well is he fucking. 746 00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:46,399 Speaker 4: Let's leave it right there. It's the perfect ending