WEBVTT - Brazil's January 6th 0:00:05.240 --> 0:00:08.840 Hagel remarks somewhere that all great world historical facts and 0:00:08.920 --> 0:00:13.880 personages appear so to speak. Twice he forgot to add 0:00:14.160 --> 0:00:16.920 the first time as tragedy, the second time is farce. 0:00:18.040 --> 0:00:21.000 Welcome to Nick. It happened here the podcast where when 0:00:21.000 --> 0:00:23.640 we last left Jayree Bolsonaro, he had locked himself in 0:00:23.680 --> 0:00:26.599 the presidential mansion, turned off the lights, and refused to 0:00:26.680 --> 0:00:30.280 leave or talk to anyone. Now Bolsonaro has returned to 0:00:30.320 --> 0:00:33.760 his ancestral home hospital in Orlando, where he's been admitted 0:00:33.760 --> 0:00:39.520 for abdominal pain, jointing me to discuss maybe the first 0:00:39.560 --> 0:00:42.280 man in history to be his own Napoleon. The third 0:00:42.479 --> 0:00:46.160 is James Hi, man, this is I'm very much looking 0:00:46.200 --> 0:00:51.320 forward to this. Oh God. I okay, So for for 0:00:51.360 --> 0:00:56.040 those of you who I don't know somehow have missed this. 0:00:56.360 --> 0:00:59.480 I I woke up on Sunday and ten minutes later 0:01:00.440 --> 0:01:03.280 this was happening, and I was like, well, okay, I 0:01:03.560 --> 0:01:08.800 guess I'm canceling my dinner plans. Uh, we're doing this instead. Yeah. 0:01:08.880 --> 0:01:10.720 I think Marx could have added to that quote and 0:01:10.720 --> 0:01:12.760 then as fast again, and then for a third time 0:01:12.840 --> 0:01:15.920 as fast. Yeah. We really, we really, we really have 0:01:16.000 --> 0:01:17.959 sort of left the tragedy cycle on or now just 0:01:18.080 --> 0:01:21.199 in the forest, over and over and over again. Yeah, 0:01:21.280 --> 0:01:23.440 we kind of need a new word for what keeps 0:01:23.480 --> 0:01:26.040 happening because it's not it's not really a coup and 0:01:26.040 --> 0:01:29.120 it's certainly not a revolution. It's just like an extreme 0:01:29.160 --> 0:01:32.800 reactionary tantrum. Yeah, I mean, I kind of like storming 0:01:32.840 --> 0:01:36.959 the capital because it is what they do. But then yeah, 0:01:37.400 --> 0:01:40.080 I don't know, like I'm upset that everyone calls it 0:01:40.120 --> 0:01:44.880 insurrectionism or insurrectionists because it's like they're not like insurrectionary. 0:01:44.880 --> 0:01:47.720 Reactionary is like a power. Yeah, it's like like I 0:01:48.000 --> 0:01:50.720 think like auto coup is closer. But the problem with 0:01:50.920 --> 0:01:54.560 COO is that cool implies that the military is actually cooperating, 0:01:54.800 --> 0:01:58.680 which it isn't. Yeah, that's why they always fail. Yeah, 0:01:59.320 --> 0:02:02.640 we're working get into that more and a bit. But yeah, okay, So, 0:02:02.800 --> 0:02:06.720 so the thing that has actually happened is on Sunday, 0:02:07.120 --> 0:02:12.080 supporters of of UH former former Brazilian president jay Are Bilsonaro, 0:02:12.840 --> 0:02:19.000 who I fled the country to Orlando, I sacked the 0:02:19.080 --> 0:02:21.880 Plaza of the Three Powers in Brazil, which is the 0:02:21.960 --> 0:02:24.400 home of the basically the buildings are the three branches 0:02:24.440 --> 0:02:27.880 of governments, and unlike in the US, they sacked all 0:02:27.960 --> 0:02:30.560 of them. They stored their presidential mansion, they stormed Congress, 0:02:30.600 --> 0:02:33.680 they stored the Supreme Court, and then having seized control 0:02:33.680 --> 0:02:36.560 of the buildings, as cops either sat around joking with him, 0:02:36.560 --> 0:02:39.240 which is actively walked them into the building. Like there 0:02:39.360 --> 0:02:43.919 is a video of a procession of Bolsonaro supporters with 0:02:44.200 --> 0:02:46.720 just like they're they're all walking in a line towards 0:02:46.800 --> 0:02:49.239 the plaza and there's just like two cop cars like 0:02:49.400 --> 0:02:51.600 in the middle of the thing driving with them, like 0:02:52.040 --> 0:02:57.040 it's wild. There are cops taking selfies of them taking selfies. Yeah. Yeah, 0:02:57.560 --> 0:02:59.600 Like I that that one that was the one in 0:02:59.680 --> 0:03:02.919 Puts particularly that was like I feel like that goes 0:03:03.080 --> 0:03:05.799 slightly above and beyond even what was happening with with 0:03:05.880 --> 0:03:13.119 the American cops. Like that was some Yeah, it's yeah, 0:03:13.160 --> 0:03:16.240 it's okay. So they get there, they do that, they 0:03:16.280 --> 0:03:17.960 do the thing where they grab metal stuff and they 0:03:18.000 --> 0:03:22.040 break the windows and then they break in and you know, 0:03:22.160 --> 0:03:25.880 they they do classic January six stuff. Um, they take 0:03:25.960 --> 0:03:28.919 pictures there. There's one picture that I found that's I 0:03:28.960 --> 0:03:32.600 think it's in the Supreme Court. That's a picture of 0:03:32.840 --> 0:03:36.160 someone like you can't see their face. It's just them 0:03:36.240 --> 0:03:39.280 squatting on a like facing backwards, squatting on it on 0:03:39.400 --> 0:03:43.440 a filing cabinet like fully butt out about take a dump. 0:03:44.880 --> 0:03:50.360 It's wild. Yeah, this is what democracy looks like. Yeah, 0:03:50.480 --> 0:03:55.440 and shifting on a filing cabinet and government office. Yeah. Okay, 0:03:55.480 --> 0:03:59.040 so like they this this. They don't have a great 0:03:59.080 --> 0:04:01.560 plan here. Um. The thing that they do is that 0:04:01.640 --> 0:04:03.280 so they all do this. They break in, they like 0:04:03.400 --> 0:04:07.600 break stuff, they like take random stuff. Um. And then 0:04:08.000 --> 0:04:09.920 they whole bunch of people sit down on the ground 0:04:10.000 --> 0:04:12.800 and sing the national anthem, uh, waiting for the army 0:04:12.840 --> 0:04:14.560 to show up, because they think that when the army 0:04:14.600 --> 0:04:16.840 shows up, the army is going to join them. And 0:04:16.839 --> 0:04:18.520 I said, the army shows up and arrest them all. 0:04:20.400 --> 0:04:22.800 There's some people who try to fight the police. Uh. 0:04:23.080 --> 0:04:25.640 They beat up a horse cop, which I think is 0:04:25.680 --> 0:04:28.040 funny because apparently this is just every single one of these. 0:04:28.120 --> 0:04:32.440 Now someone beats up a horse cop. Um. But you know, 0:04:32.560 --> 0:04:35.080 by bye bye bye, by the end of Sunday, like 0:04:36.520 --> 0:04:39.200 it's all over the government forces. We take the plaza. 0:04:39.320 --> 0:04:41.440 People try to fight the police, but they lose really badly, 0:04:42.360 --> 0:04:44.520 and you know, Okay, so obviously there's a reason why 0:04:44.600 --> 0:04:47.160 I read that versus strategy a second time. Was first 0:04:47.240 --> 0:04:52.040 line to start this, like, okay, the January six comparisons 0:04:52.800 --> 0:04:57.440 start fast and get harder. Which is this happened literally 0:04:57.480 --> 0:05:02.480 on January eight, like two days after the American Like, 0:05:06.960 --> 0:05:09.120 I mean, they stowed the Capitol buildings. But this is 0:05:09.160 --> 0:05:11.800 something I think it's kind of important to understand. This 0:05:11.960 --> 0:05:15.240 is an even worse plan than the January six plan. 0:05:16.200 --> 0:05:18.839 So the January six plan, if people remember this, so crucially, 0:05:19.400 --> 0:05:22.799 January six happens while Trump is technically still in office. 0:05:23.360 --> 0:05:25.960 And what's going on when when they're showing me the 0:05:26.000 --> 0:05:28.080 capital in January six is that Congress is trying to 0:05:28.320 --> 0:05:30.840 basically pass power to Joe Biden, right like they're they're 0:05:30.880 --> 0:05:35.320 they're doing the vote to proof the ballot totals from 0:05:35.440 --> 0:05:40.200 the the electoral College blah blah blah blah blah. But okay, 0:05:40.240 --> 0:05:44.080 so this means that you know when when when when 0:05:44.200 --> 0:05:47.960 when on Jay's on January six, right, Congress was actually 0:05:48.040 --> 0:05:50.760 in session, so the people who were there actually had 0:05:50.800 --> 0:05:53.560 a thing they were trying to do to overturn their results, 0:05:54.279 --> 0:05:56.440 and there was like there were people they could have harmed. 0:05:56.520 --> 0:05:58.359 There was like they had they had like a goal 0:05:58.960 --> 0:06:02.400 kind of it was like seth Abramson. But on the 0:06:02.480 --> 0:06:05.400 other side, think it was like constitutional fantasy. But yeah, 0:06:05.720 --> 0:06:09.360 but yeah, but like I I can't believe, you know, 0:06:09.480 --> 0:06:11.400 like this is the thing about about about what's happening 0:06:11.400 --> 0:06:14.480 Brazil's like I genuinely cannot believe that I am being 0:06:14.560 --> 0:06:17.640 made to defend the planning capacity of the January six crowd, 0:06:18.839 --> 0:06:22.200 like genuinely stunning. But the plan for the plan for 0:06:22.360 --> 0:06:27.560 January eighth in Brazil was even worse because Okay, the 0:06:28.320 --> 0:06:31.960 day they do this on right, Congress is not in session, 0:06:32.400 --> 0:06:35.679 the Supreme Court is on holiday, and Lulu, the actual 0:06:35.720 --> 0:06:38.200 president of Brazil, has a already taken power and b 0:06:38.480 --> 0:06:43.320 is ins apollo. No money is there. Literally they store 0:06:43.480 --> 0:06:48.680 three abandoned buildings. There is nohing there they could they 0:06:48.720 --> 0:06:51.680 could have tried it. Agration was like three days before, right, Yeah, 0:06:51.920 --> 0:06:54.200 it's funny. Lula talked about it in this in his 0:06:54.279 --> 0:06:56.880 speech where part of like in this speech after after 0:06:57.000 --> 0:07:00.160 this happens, is he has this line about how like 0:07:00.240 --> 0:07:02.240 all of these people were already in Brazilia, but they 0:07:02.279 --> 0:07:04.200 were too cowardly to face the people who were there 0:07:04.200 --> 0:07:07.880 for the inauguration, so instead they waited for everyone to leave, 0:07:08.440 --> 0:07:13.000 which is true. It's really funny. And this is kind 0:07:13.040 --> 0:07:15.120 of what they always do, right, They always kind of 0:07:15.200 --> 0:07:17.800 take the easy thing and then grandstand like like it's 0:07:17.840 --> 0:07:20.920 a big brave thing that they've done. Like we see 0:07:20.960 --> 0:07:25.040 this constantly on the right. Yeah, and you know, I like, 0:07:25.160 --> 0:07:26.960 I I think I think it's reasonable to ask what 0:07:27.000 --> 0:07:29.960 were they actually trying to do? Um? And I'm I'm 0:07:29.960 --> 0:07:33.840 gonna read from the Washington Post. The Washington Post is 0:07:33.880 --> 0:07:36.600 talking about, um, some of the previous attempts to do 0:07:36.680 --> 0:07:41.720 the same thing. Quote one radicalized Bolsonarista named George Washington 0:07:41.840 --> 0:07:46.320 Day Olivaria. Was it what? Yeah, all of the people 0:07:46.400 --> 0:07:50.640 involved with this are named like George Washington Olivaria. It's incredible. 0:07:52.240 --> 0:07:56.000 Do wow did they did they change their names? Or 0:07:56.080 --> 0:07:58.720 is the whole thing just being a lame partake of 0:07:58.760 --> 0:08:03.560 American conservative Well, I mean that's that is like like 0:08:03.880 --> 0:08:08.440 it really like there is a lot of truth to 0:08:08.520 --> 0:08:12.880 the analysis that, like Brazilian fascist culture is just like 0:08:14.320 --> 0:08:16.680 the fourth time of Facebook meme isn't passed around, but 0:08:16.760 --> 0:08:20.480 this time on what'sapp Like it's it's some it's it's 0:08:20.560 --> 0:08:24.720 somehow more cringe than than the American stuff, like it's 0:08:25.480 --> 0:08:28.200 wort have incredible. But here he was okay, yeah he was. Yeah. 0:08:28.400 --> 0:08:32.600 This guy named George Washington Dlafaria was arrested and accused 0:08:32.640 --> 0:08:35.640 of planting a bomb beneath a bus at the Brazilia airport. 0:08:36.200 --> 0:08:38.599 In a statement to police, he said he wanted to 0:08:38.760 --> 0:08:42.880 quote begin chaos that would lead to military intervention. So 0:08:43.320 --> 0:08:45.680 she's trying to do the strategy of tension, right, which 0:08:45.720 --> 0:08:48.280 is which is this thing from Italy where Okay, so 0:08:48.400 --> 0:08:50.800 you you have the government running a bunch of sort 0:08:50.840 --> 0:08:54.679 of like no, I mean, I don't know, calling them 0:08:54.720 --> 0:08:56.920 fake fascist groups is technically correct, but you haven't. You 0:08:56.920 --> 0:08:59.719 have them running a bunch of terrorist groups. And you know, 0:09:00.160 --> 0:09:01.839 so they they this is this happening in like the 0:09:01.880 --> 0:09:04.600 sixty seventies, and yeah, it gets a little bit into 0:09:04.600 --> 0:09:06.559 the eighties. Is that they're they're doing all these bombings 0:09:06.600 --> 0:09:08.679 and stuff, and they're doing all these terrorist attacks and 0:09:08.800 --> 0:09:10.439 the goal is to get people to like sort of 0:09:10.480 --> 0:09:13.720 trust the government and like allow like short of further 0:09:13.800 --> 0:09:16.280 state of military intervention. But the thing about that was 0:09:16.360 --> 0:09:19.199 that crucially the strategy of tension was a strategy that 0:09:19.280 --> 0:09:22.400 was done by the government. Doesn't really work if you're 0:09:22.480 --> 0:09:24.720 not the government and you are, in fact that people 0:09:24.800 --> 0:09:27.160 causing the chaos, And where did you get to military 0:09:27.320 --> 0:09:30.880 to sort of join you. So this is a crucial 0:09:30.960 --> 0:09:33.520 problem for Brazilian fascism because as much as the sort 0:09:33.520 --> 0:09:36.280 of the modern fascist movement is a cultiple scenario, it's 0:09:36.320 --> 0:09:38.920 really a cult of the military. Bulsonaro was sort of 0:09:38.960 --> 0:09:41.000 just the person who embodies the sort of desire the 0:09:41.040 --> 0:09:45.520 fascist masses from military rule. But this means that if 0:09:45.559 --> 0:09:47.880 the military just refused to do a coup, they have 0:09:47.960 --> 0:09:51.280 no idea what to do. Yeah, but they could deploy 0:09:51.320 --> 0:09:53.839 Baltonara himself. Have you seen that video of him trying 0:09:53.880 --> 0:09:59.079 to do press ups to prove that he's kind of 0:09:59.120 --> 0:10:04.000 super solidatew you know, But this is this is sort 0:10:04.040 --> 0:10:06.200 of this is a real issue for them. And Okay, 0:10:06.600 --> 0:10:10.000 so if I am pretty confident that if the military 0:10:10.080 --> 0:10:12.240 had actually decided to do a coup this would have worked, 0:10:12.679 --> 0:10:14.400 like and I think they would have pretty trivially just 0:10:14.600 --> 0:10:17.560 like smashed the rest of the forces of the state. 0:10:17.640 --> 0:10:20.839 Lulu would be in prison. But and this is the 0:10:20.880 --> 0:10:22.720 thing that's been the key to everything that's been going 0:10:22.760 --> 0:10:25.040 on in Brazil from the beginning. The army does not 0:10:25.280 --> 0:10:27.280 have the green light from Washington to do a coup 0:10:28.240 --> 0:10:34.560 because once again Biden just absolutely hates Bilsonaro, which is like, yeah, 0:10:34.960 --> 0:10:36.880 you know this this this is this is a coup 0:10:36.960 --> 0:10:39.319 that was planned from Orlando and not Langley. Now we're 0:10:39.360 --> 0:10:42.959 on like number four in the last few years that 0:10:43.120 --> 0:10:46.800 was planned from Florida and notably three of the four 0:10:46.840 --> 0:10:54.040 of them have failed, and this is that Yeah, well, 0:10:54.040 --> 0:10:55.800 I mean, I like, to be fair, this is a 0:10:55.880 --> 0:10:58.880 better planned coup attempt than the Venezuela one that's not 0:10:59.000 --> 0:11:02.120 hard that did exist bar. Yeah, the kind of bar 0:11:02.240 --> 0:11:05.079 that you can get over by tripping. But you know, 0:11:05.520 --> 0:11:07.960 we're sold the very early process of figuring out how 0:11:08.040 --> 0:11:10.599 exactly who was involved in this and that like to 0:11:10.800 --> 0:11:13.800 what extent everyone was coordinating with each other and like 0:11:14.400 --> 0:11:16.480 you know, I might you want extent like literally governors 0:11:16.559 --> 0:11:18.480 were involved seen to have been involved in this, but 0:11:18.559 --> 0:11:22.120 we don't. We don't exactly know yet. Um. What we 0:11:22.240 --> 0:11:24.400 do know in terms of it's being planned from Orlando 0:11:24.600 --> 0:11:27.760 is that Bolsonaro for literally years has been saying ship 0:11:27.920 --> 0:11:30.679 like quote, the patience of the people has run out. 0:11:31.360 --> 0:11:33.800 I want to tell those who will make me unelectable 0:11:33.920 --> 0:11:36.880 in Brazil, only God removes me from power. There are 0:11:36.960 --> 0:11:40.280 three options for me, jail, death or victory. And I'm 0:11:40.360 --> 0:11:43.920 telling the scandal rules. I will never be imprisoned. Even 0:11:44.000 --> 0:11:46.160 thing is literally years and years and years just saying 0:11:46.200 --> 0:11:48.240 said like that, like just over and over and over again. 0:11:49.000 --> 0:11:53.240 And you know, Okay, So the other thing that we 0:11:53.400 --> 0:11:56.199 know right now and this this this is being recorded 0:11:56.440 --> 0:12:00.160 on what day? Is it is the ninth Yeah, it's 0:12:00.200 --> 0:12:01.520 been a court on Monday to night, so this is 0:12:01.640 --> 0:12:03.959 this is the next day. Uh. If by the time 0:12:04.000 --> 0:12:05.840 this goes out there's more information, there will be more 0:12:05.840 --> 0:12:08.360 information was going on what we have right now. One 0:12:08.360 --> 0:12:10.600 of the things that we know is that the guy 0:12:10.679 --> 0:12:13.400 who was in charge of security for the Federal District, 0:12:13.480 --> 0:12:16.199 which is like the Federal District is basically like what 0:12:16.280 --> 0:12:18.880 if washing d C. Was a state, but like a 0:12:18.920 --> 0:12:21.000 tiny one. So the guy who was in charge of 0:12:21.040 --> 0:12:25.599 security for that, uh, was a Bulsonaro supporter who just 0:12:25.800 --> 0:12:30.480 so happened to be on vacation in Orlando, where Bulsonaro 0:12:30.600 --> 0:12:32.600 was staying with an mm A fighter whose mansion has 0:12:32.640 --> 0:12:37.360 a Minion Stein room. Uh. He's just coincidentally onification in 0:12:37.559 --> 0:12:43.480 Orlando with Polsonara. Well, this is happening, so you know, Okay, 0:12:43.880 --> 0:12:46.120 the Brazilian state seems to be being a lot faster 0:12:46.840 --> 0:12:48.880 to sort of crack down on everything that's happening than 0:12:48.880 --> 0:12:51.679 the American state was. Um that the guy who was 0:12:51.679 --> 0:12:55.360 in charge of security, I who was in who's in Orlando. 0:12:55.440 --> 0:12:58.360 That the Brazilian federal defender has already asked the Supreme 0:12:58.440 --> 0:13:02.559 Court to arrest him. A Supreme Court justice like deposed 0:13:02.679 --> 0:13:06.040 the governor of the federal district for allowing this to happen. 0:13:06.840 --> 0:13:11.280 So yeah, it's wild. The Brazilian Minister of Justice as 0:13:11.280 --> 0:13:13.800 they've already entified people in ten states who helped plan 0:13:13.920 --> 0:13:17.520 or fund the operation. They've arrested like well the Totalsome 0:13:17.600 --> 0:13:20.079 yesterday said that they arrested four hundred people. I saw 0:13:20.160 --> 0:13:22.839 somewhere that arrested twelve. I don't know about that. I 0:13:22.920 --> 0:13:24.679 could be wrong, but yeah, there was at least four 0:13:24.720 --> 0:13:27.960 hundred people. Um, there's a huge like there's a huge 0:13:27.960 --> 0:13:31.400 track down on people involved in this LULA. It's much 0:13:31.720 --> 0:13:35.800 better than the January six response. And yeah, well like 0:13:35.880 --> 0:13:38.079 like part part of what's happening, right, is like like 0:13:38.840 --> 0:13:42.880 Lula literally like basically declared a state of emergency in 0:13:43.200 --> 0:13:47.840 the federal zone and like got basically like I guess 0:13:47.840 --> 0:13:49.600 you call it, like he basically sent in the FEDS 0:13:49.640 --> 0:13:52.560 and like has like his people now have direct control 0:13:52.679 --> 0:13:55.800 over security in the capital because because because the police 0:13:55.800 --> 0:13:59.320 there are so unreliable, and you know, and like he's 0:13:59.320 --> 0:14:02.760 been yeah, it's moving very very fast, just sort of 0:14:03.360 --> 0:14:08.280 better than the US charge and probably yeah, and and 0:14:08.360 --> 0:14:11.640 also like Lula Lula, unlike Biden, Lula, Lula has like 0:14:11.760 --> 0:14:15.080 like literally like three hours as this was happening, he's 0:14:15.120 --> 0:14:17.719 making a speech about like that him vowing to go 0:14:17.800 --> 0:14:22.000 after everyone who's involved in this, including Bullsonaro and Um. 0:14:23.840 --> 0:14:26.120 A Brazilian member of Congress is formally asked to Foreign 0:14:26.160 --> 0:14:30.880 Ministry to extradite Bulsonaro to the US. Who knows what's 0:14:30.880 --> 0:14:33.480 going to happen there? Uh, there have been there has 0:14:33.520 --> 0:14:36.840 actually there's been like a surprising amount of sort of 0:14:36.960 --> 0:14:40.320 support for that in the US. And you know, I 0:14:40.360 --> 0:14:41.960 mean that's everything that's been kind of interesting for this, 0:14:42.080 --> 0:14:43.600 like before we take the ad break, is that like 0:14:45.120 --> 0:14:49.560 he's gotten Lula is getting support from like everyone, like 0:14:50.920 --> 0:14:53.920 this is this is one of the rare we we 0:14:54.040 --> 0:14:58.320 we we have the great capitalist triumvirate of Vladimir Putin. 0:14:58.680 --> 0:15:02.680 Joe Biden and and Macron have all said that they're 0:15:02.720 --> 0:15:08.440 backing him, which is wild real international Lincoln Project vibes. Yeah, 0:15:08.640 --> 0:15:11.280 it's I mean that that that that that that is. 0:15:11.440 --> 0:15:16.040 I guess like Hulula is abroad extent, right, Like you know, 0:15:16.080 --> 0:15:17.880 if you go back to Lula episodes, like he was 0:15:17.880 --> 0:15:21.280 close with the Bush administration, but also like close with 0:15:21.320 --> 0:15:24.520 the World Social Forum people. So he's he's always kind 0:15:24.520 --> 0:15:27.000 of like been the guy who straddles the divide between 0:15:27.880 --> 0:15:31.680 like yeah, he's not and he's the guy he straddles 0:15:31.680 --> 0:15:34.040 a divide between the sort of like international imperialists and 0:15:35.680 --> 0:15:43.040 what was the left. Yeah yeah, So all right, we're 0:15:43.080 --> 0:15:44.680 we're gonna we're we're gonna go to ads and then 0:15:44.680 --> 0:15:48.320 when we come back, we're gonna talk more about how 0:15:48.480 --> 0:16:00.960 everything is actually sort of gone. All right, we're back. 0:16:01.520 --> 0:16:03.640 So one of the things I think is very interesting 0:16:03.680 --> 0:16:06.920 about for all of the sort of planning and organizational 0:16:06.960 --> 0:16:09.760 capacity that's gone into building the sort of like transnational 0:16:09.800 --> 0:16:13.280 fascist movement the American right, like that that the American 0:16:13.400 --> 0:16:16.440 rid has been setting up Uh, the American right has 0:16:16.520 --> 0:16:21.440 just actively been making their allies worse here, like the ideas. 0:16:22.160 --> 0:16:24.320 It's it's sort of incredible. I mean, this is something 0:16:24.360 --> 0:16:26.640 I think that that's genuinely very scary about the Brazilian 0:16:26.800 --> 0:16:30.920 right is that their regular combination of tactics are really effective. 0:16:31.440 --> 0:16:33.400 Um that you know, that they've been able to successfully 0:16:33.440 --> 0:16:36.480 will this combination of sort of electoralism, of lawfare or 0:16:36.520 --> 0:16:38.440 sort of like using the legal system against their political 0:16:38.520 --> 0:16:42.400 enemies off road blockades, mass marches, and you know, just 0:16:42.440 --> 0:16:44.920 straight up paramilitary death squads of various kinds. You know, 0:16:45.000 --> 0:16:46.960 you have your sort of urban death squads, you have 0:16:47.760 --> 0:16:51.600 these like genocidal logger death squads, and that's been very effective. 0:16:53.200 --> 0:16:55.840 And you know, Okay, so like they lost this one election, 0:16:56.160 --> 0:16:58.760 but you know, their their position inside Resilian politics is 0:16:58.840 --> 0:17:02.240 still really strong. They control all a bunch of like governorships, 0:17:02.320 --> 0:17:06.280 they like Bolsonoo's party and his coalition like control control 0:17:06.320 --> 0:17:09.720 the Brazilian parliament. Okay, so you know, like they're in 0:17:09.760 --> 0:17:13.119 a very strong position. But then they talked to the 0:17:13.200 --> 0:17:18.400 Americans and they imported January six and the storm the capitol, 0:17:18.680 --> 0:17:20.240 and at least right now it looks like it's going 0:17:20.400 --> 0:17:23.320 really badly for them. Like even even the sort of 0:17:23.400 --> 0:17:26.760 like right wing all the great process turned on them, Globo, 0:17:26.840 --> 0:17:32.320 which is like it's Brazil's biggest newspaper, wells biggest newspaper, 0:17:32.320 --> 0:17:34.000 It could be second biggest. I'm prett sure it's the biggest. 0:17:34.280 --> 0:17:36.879 It's funded by like right wing ship at billionaires um. 0:17:37.720 --> 0:17:41.280 But you know, their entire fret page right now is 0:17:41.359 --> 0:17:44.480 just them yelling about the coup and like gleefully reporting 0:17:44.520 --> 0:17:46.680 them like like that they had a frit page thing 0:17:46.800 --> 0:17:49.760 for an individual sociology professor who stepped off a bus 0:17:49.880 --> 0:17:52.800 coming back from Brazilian immediately got arrested. Like this is 0:17:52.880 --> 0:17:54.880 this is the kind of sort of jubilation that it's 0:17:54.880 --> 0:17:56.879 really it's kind of it's kind of amazing too, because 0:17:56.960 --> 0:18:01.480 like kind of cut sociologies is also a boson Arst 0:18:01.520 --> 0:18:04.800 insurrection rate. Yeah well okay, I feel like that if 0:18:04.800 --> 0:18:07.239 you're a sociologist, there were exactly two you have, ok 0:18:07.359 --> 0:18:09.920 you have three paths. One has you become a cop. 0:18:10.359 --> 0:18:13.200 Two is you is you do the Italian thing and 0:18:13.240 --> 0:18:16.040 you become the Red Brigades. Yeah. That was that. That 0:18:16.119 --> 0:18:18.440 was That was Italy's first sociology department. By the way, 0:18:18.680 --> 0:18:20.640 I turned out the Red Brigades, or three you become 0:18:20.680 --> 0:18:26.200 a Nazi. Those are your three options. Yeah, there are. Yeah. 0:18:26.600 --> 0:18:28.840 I've never been unfortunate enough to run into any of 0:18:28.920 --> 0:18:32.720 the chid sociologies to be a very right, they are there. Yeah, 0:18:32.800 --> 0:18:35.520 we we we stayed away from them in the anthrow department. 0:18:35.560 --> 0:18:40.680 We're like nope, Yeah, I've taught in sociology before, and 0:18:41.200 --> 0:18:42.760 you definitely do get a lot of students who are 0:18:42.800 --> 0:18:45.080 there to be a cop I've forgotten about that. Yeah, 0:18:45.880 --> 0:18:49.560 it sucks. So I will say Brazil has had at 0:18:49.640 --> 0:18:51.200 least one. I feel like they've had at least like 0:18:51.680 --> 0:18:56.280 a couple of sociologist presidents. For Fernando Henrique Cardoso was 0:18:56.400 --> 0:18:58.480 what yeah, what was the sociologist who was president for 0:18:58.960 --> 0:19:03.080 a while and then he got replaced by Lula Um. 0:19:03.359 --> 0:19:04.680 This is this has been this has been a tangent 0:19:04.720 --> 0:19:08.840 about what happens when you put sociology professor's lefted out 0:19:08.880 --> 0:19:12.840 of their cages. Uh so okay, And you know, I 0:19:12.880 --> 0:19:15.200 would say this is going back to global for a second, 0:19:15.240 --> 0:19:16.680 like some of the stuff that they're saying is not 0:19:16.760 --> 0:19:19.920 exactly true, Like they're they're they're trying to sort of 0:19:20.000 --> 0:19:23.240 make a separation between the like extremist Wilsonario eastas and 0:19:23.280 --> 0:19:26.359 then like the people in Parliament and it's like okay, 0:19:26.440 --> 0:19:28.280 so like, yeah, they have this whole thing about these 0:19:28.280 --> 0:19:31.320 are streamists with no support in Parliament, and it's like okay, buddy, 0:19:31.400 --> 0:19:35.280 Like there are literally people like in Congress who are 0:19:35.440 --> 0:19:39.840 in Congress because they were elected because they filmed themselves 0:19:39.920 --> 0:19:43.639 doing right wing trucker borodblocks like you know, okay, like 0:19:44.160 --> 0:19:45.440 well if one of these other things, one of the 0:19:45.560 --> 0:19:48.480 other stories was them talking was them talking about I 0:19:49.880 --> 0:19:53.159 Brazilian politicians frantically deleting the social media post in in 0:19:53.680 --> 0:19:58.399 support of the protests. So okay, you know, like I 0:19:58.480 --> 0:20:01.520 mean it is it is actually true that like a 0:20:01.640 --> 0:20:03.359 lot of like even both people in both to know 0:20:03.440 --> 0:20:08.680 his own party like denounced it. But you know, yeah, 0:20:08.720 --> 0:20:10.359 I mean we saw the same ship, right, and then 0:20:10.359 --> 0:20:12.760 they'll gradually reimagine it over the next two or three 0:20:12.840 --> 0:20:17.280 years to where like that they're they're not denounced again. Well, 0:20:17.320 --> 0:20:20.000 well we'll see what happens, because there is also a 0:20:20.119 --> 0:20:22.920 chance here that like everyone who was even intgentially like 0:20:25.200 --> 0:20:30.480 everyone's like we'll back out of this. I'm not a 0:20:30.520 --> 0:20:32.840 big pro prison guy. But the video of them arriving 0:20:32.880 --> 0:20:35.600 in a coach at the jail was pretty immediate. That 0:20:35.760 --> 0:20:43.399 was pretty funny. Yeah, So okay, so right now it 0:20:43.520 --> 0:20:45.480 looks like this has gone pretty badly for them. Again, 0:20:45.520 --> 0:20:47.840 this is this is This is being recorded one day 0:20:47.920 --> 0:20:49.960 after it happened. So I don't know if if the 0:20:50.080 --> 0:20:52.840 army has actually done the coup tomorrow. It's not my fault. 0:20:52.880 --> 0:20:57.159 It wasn't out yet. But you know, I think we 0:20:57.160 --> 0:20:59.200 should we should ask, we should take a step back 0:20:59.320 --> 0:21:02.800 and ask why is this happening? And I think we 0:21:02.880 --> 0:21:05.320 should we should ask why did this happen in the 0:21:05.520 --> 0:21:10.320 same way in both the US and Brazil and why 0:21:10.359 --> 0:21:13.879 did it not work? And the answer to this is 0:21:13.920 --> 0:21:16.480 that the capital is a trap. What what what the 0:21:16.480 --> 0:21:19.840 American and Brazilian right has ran into, sort of ironically, 0:21:20.040 --> 0:21:23.720 is the crisis of the century revolutionary movement. So to 0:21:23.960 --> 0:21:25.760 explain what I mean here, I'm gonna I'm gonna read 0:21:25.800 --> 0:21:27.440 a bit of to our Friends, which is a work 0:21:27.520 --> 0:21:31.200 produced in late by the Invisible Committee, which is the 0:21:31.280 --> 0:21:33.600 pen name of some French anarchists who are most famous 0:21:33.640 --> 0:21:36.840 of writing The Coming Insurrection. Um. I'm not normally a 0:21:36.920 --> 0:21:39.160 huge fan of their work. But they got they got 0:21:39.280 --> 0:21:44.800 one thing very very right, and that's this occupation of 0:21:44.840 --> 0:21:48.320 the Kasba and Tunis, and of the Stagma Square and Athens, 0:21:48.480 --> 0:21:51.000 siege of Westminster and London during the student movement of 0:21:51.040 --> 0:21:54.360 two thousand and eleven, encirclement of the Parliament in Madrid 0:21:54.480 --> 0:21:58.840 and September twelve, or in Barcelona on June five, thousand eleven, 0:21:59.440 --> 0:22:02.840 riots all around the Chamber of Deputies in Rome, December four, 0:22:04.560 --> 0:22:08.040 attempt on October fifteenth, thousand eleven in Lisbon to invade 0:22:08.040 --> 0:22:11.440 the Assembly at the republica birding of the Bosnian presidential 0:22:11.560 --> 0:22:16.639 residents in February. The places of institutional power exert in 0:22:16.680 --> 0:22:20.560 magnetic attraction on revolutionaries. But when the insurgents managed to 0:22:20.640 --> 0:22:25.639 penetrate parliaments, presidential palaces, and other headquarters of institutions, as 0:22:25.680 --> 0:22:28.920 in Ukraine, in Libya or in Wisconsin, it's only to 0:22:29.000 --> 0:22:32.920 discover empty places that is empty of power and furnished 0:22:32.920 --> 0:22:37.000 without any taste. It's not to prevent the people from 0:22:37.160 --> 0:22:40.440 taking power that they are so fiercely kept from invading 0:22:40.520 --> 0:22:43.600 such places, but to prevent them from realizing that power 0:22:43.680 --> 0:22:47.920 no longer resides in the institutions. There are only deserted temples, there, 0:22:48.080 --> 0:22:54.240 decommissioned fortresses, nothing but stage sets, real traps, revolutionaries. The 0:22:54.320 --> 0:22:56.760 popular impulse to rush onto the stage to find out 0:22:56.840 --> 0:22:59.280