1 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 1: Alrighty fish and Filtered episode sixty six. No Isaaca Zoo today, unfortunately, 2 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 1: but I am here with Eli Sussman, founder of fish 3 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 1: on first, and we have a very very special guests. 4 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:34,279 Speaker 1: He's our Phillies correspondent. I would say, Alex Carr, what's up. 5 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 1: Excited to have you on. And a lot has happened 6 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 1: for the Marlins in the past couple of weeks, but 7 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 1: for the Phillies too. They acquire hazes Lozardo, Marls get 8 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 1: two pretty good prospects in return. So how we're doing, 9 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 1: Happy holidays and excited to have you on. 10 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 2: I am just as always happy to be here, but 11 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 2: also very excited to chat about this stuff. I feel 12 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 2: like there's been a bit of a flurry of activity 13 00:00:57,160 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 2: on the Phillies end of late, if you can all 14 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 2: at that. I don't think these moves are necessarily the 15 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 2: anticipated ones, but some of them are definitely I think, 16 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:10,959 Speaker 2: making the fandom happier than others. But this one, this 17 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:14,040 Speaker 2: one that we're gonna talk about today, definitely a happier, 18 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:16,320 Speaker 2: happier reaction than this one, I think. 19 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 1: And let's get right into it. So, the Miami Marlins 20 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:23,319 Speaker 1: traded Hazels Sozarda to the Philadelphia Phillies along with Paul 21 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 1: McIntosh in exchange for two prospects Starlin cava and and 22 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 1: Marion boyd Alex. Let's talk about this for the Philly side, 23 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 1: you guys get Hazels Sozarda, who would you know, in 24 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:38,120 Speaker 1: many other organizations the slots towards the top of a rotation. 25 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:40,919 Speaker 1: For you guys, he's gonna be your three four starter, 26 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 1: maybe even five. So it's a good situation having Philadelphia, 27 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 1: you guys also get p mac who will probably slot 28 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 1: into your Triple A roster, maybe gets a non roster invite. 29 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 1: So just talk about that for Philadelphia, getting a frontline 30 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 1: starter and getting the and getting McIntosh. 31 00:01:56,640 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm really I'll talk about Jesus, you know, extensively, 32 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 2: but I'm actually really intrigued by Paul McIntosh, really good 33 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 2: EV numbers. 34 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:10,640 Speaker 3: I know you guys love him, Yeah really really he's 35 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 3: he's he hits the ball, hard, does a lot of 36 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 3: things right. 37 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 2: He's a great guy, as you guys emphasize time and 38 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 2: time again. But he's also he's so much needed Triple 39 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 2: A catching depth for the Phills. So that's actually it's 40 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 2: gonna be interesting to see how that plays out, just 41 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 2: because the Phillies really kind of needed some Triple A 42 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 2: catching depth because Rafael marsha is probably gonna make the 43 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 2: opening day roster, Garrett Stubbs, it's probably gonna start the 44 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:40,360 Speaker 2: year in Triple A, you know, barring injury to anybody, 45 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 2: but it's it's gonna be really interesting to see where 46 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 2: Paul McIntosh kind of fits into the puzzle. I'm a fan. 47 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie. I've been I've been digging in. 48 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:53,639 Speaker 3: Over these last over these last few weeks, and uh. 49 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:57,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm intrigued by that side of the return. But 50 00:02:57,120 --> 00:03:02,359 Speaker 2: obviously the main piece Hayes with Slizardo, Yeah he's I mean, 51 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 2: he's filthy, He's filthy. The Marlins may have gotten the 52 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 2: best out of him that we are going to see. 53 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 2: But even then, that you know, three seven e r a, 54 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 2: two hundred plus strikeouts guy is kind of exactly what 55 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 2: the Phillies are looking for. I think the most underrated 56 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 2: part of this move is that the Phillies when Slash, 57 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 2: if they make the postseason, are going to get to 58 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 2: choose from three of Rangers Farres, Christopher Sanchez, Jesus Lozardo 59 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 2: and Andrew Painter to throw into the bullpen mix for 60 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 2: the postseason, and that's a big deal all three of 61 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 2: you know, let's just say, Ranger Suarez has proven himself 62 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 2: as a bullpen piece before. You know, he got the 63 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 2: final outs of the NCS in twenty twenty two. 64 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 3: He is you know, he's a stone called killer. 65 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 2: Most of the time you look at Hazes Lozardo, HAZs 66 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 2: Lozardo is filthy. The stuff is the most undeniable part 67 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 2: of his game. So that could be a really exciting 68 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 2: addition to a postseason bullpen. And Andrew Painter is probably 69 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 2: one of, if not the best right handed pitching prospect 70 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 2: in baseball right now. So it's very very interesting to 71 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 2: see them kind of say, Okay, maybe we're done adding 72 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 2: to the bullpen right now after the addition of Joe Ross, 73 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:16,920 Speaker 2: but if they can use this unit to get into 74 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 2: the postseason, they've got, you know, three new arms that 75 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 2: they can kind of throw into that mix, that bullpen. 76 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:26,479 Speaker 3: Mix as well, which I think is a huge part 77 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 3: of this trade. 78 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:31,839 Speaker 2: On top of that, Lozardo kind of solidifies the Phillies 79 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 2: as having one again, one of not the best rotation 80 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:35,720 Speaker 2: in baseball. 81 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 3: When this rotation is clicking. You know, You've. 82 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 2: Got three of the best left handed options in a 83 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 2: rotation in baseball, and then obviously the best pitcher in 84 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 2: baseball and Zach Wheeler, and then one of the most 85 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 2: dependable in Aaron Nola. 86 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 3: And that's really that's exciting. Man. 87 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 2: I don't think we've seen a rotation like this since 88 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 2: twenty eleven. And that is speaking very highly of this 89 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 2: group of guys. But yeah, no, it's an exciting group 90 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:05,600 Speaker 2: for sure, where I can say for myself, I'm really pumped. 91 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 3: To watch this team and see what they have have 92 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:10,600 Speaker 3: in store for us. From the pitching front. 93 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:13,720 Speaker 1: Eli, I do want to ask you just let's talk 94 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 1: about the Lozarch. True, we haven't actually spoken about this 95 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 1: aside from the spaces that we did the other day, 96 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 1: So just your thoughts really quick, and on top of that, 97 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:23,040 Speaker 1: just talk about trading with an in division rival, something 98 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 1: that the Marlins seem to have been. I think the 99 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:29,279 Speaker 1: last tie was that Adam Duval trade, if I recall. 100 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 4: No, I'll get into that, So I want to start 101 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 4: with like the really grim assessment of that, which is 102 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 4: that historically you don't trade into inside the division because 103 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:42,480 Speaker 4: you play head to head against that team a lot, 104 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:45,239 Speaker 4: and that's less so in the current state of affairs. 105 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 4: And also because it used to be that winning your 106 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 4: division was the main path to making the postseason. The Marlins, 107 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 4: as we know, have never ever ever won the National 108 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:56,479 Speaker 4: League East. They've never really come close, and honestly, I 109 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:59,719 Speaker 4: don't think that's the top of mind moving forward. I 110 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 4: think this team they want to maximize postseason appearances over 111 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:06,359 Speaker 4: sustained stretch a few years down the road, and I 112 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 4: don't know if there's really that much of an emphasis. 113 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:10,839 Speaker 4: I don't know if they really see the difference between 114 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 4: wildcard which there are now three different wildcard spots, or 115 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 4: winning the division. So even if they feel, even if 116 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:22,280 Speaker 4: they admit that this is helping the Phillies directly, they 117 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 4: see a universe where both teams can make it into 118 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 4: the postseason at some point in the future, and that 119 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 4: once you get in, even under this current format, that 120 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 4: wildcard teams can go pretty deep, they can go all 121 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 4: the way into too a World Series, and that helping 122 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:40,479 Speaker 4: your division rival doesn't necessarily hinder your own chances eventually 123 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 4: getting where you want to go. So I think that 124 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 4: is for the indivision part of it. I think the 125 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 4: most recent significant deal in division would actually be twenty twenty. 126 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 3: Three David Robertson. 127 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 4: When you're not the Mets were in a selling position, 128 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 4: the Marlins were in a clear buying position, and like 129 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 4: a week before the deadline in twenty twenty three, the 130 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:01,160 Speaker 4: Marlins trade one they're better hitting prospects at the time. 131 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 4: They trade Marco Vargas. They trade Ronald Hernandez, who a 132 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:06,679 Speaker 4: couple We were kind of split on that as a staff. 133 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 4: He was another notable piece. They traded a couple teenagers 134 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 4: and a ball to get a rental David Robertson and 135 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 4: to pay. Yeah, it did not go all that well. 136 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 4: There's like one moment where they got Robertson and everybody's like, wow, 137 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 4: they finally had their closer. That's like, no, they don't. 138 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 4: They just said this guy who actually wasn't all that 139 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 4: happy to be in Miami. As it turns out, that's 140 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 4: a bit of a detour. But I wanted to ask 141 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 4: Alex about when it comes to Lizardo. From our perspective, 142 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 4: we thought it was more likely that this trade would 143 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 4: not come together until at least spring training, if not. 144 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 4: J was in itself Yeah, because because well because he was. 145 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 4: He's not pitched in a game since mid June. The 146 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 4: last time he did pitch in a game, He's throwing 147 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 4: about ninety one mile per hour fastballs, and then it 148 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 4: turns out he has his back injury. So from your perspective, 149 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 4: what do you make of the timing of it? As 150 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 4: nasty as he can be, it's just he's pretty far 151 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 4: removed from being that picture on the field. There's some 152 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 4: uncertainty there. 153 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the biggest thing first of all, the 154 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 2: medicals got done. From what I heard, medicals got done 155 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 2: really quickly. It seems like the Phillies were cool with 156 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 2: everything that was going on. Marlins, you know, presented all 157 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 2: the information available and it was. 158 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 3: Done deal right. 159 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 2: And I especially think for the price that you're paying 160 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 2: for a picture, Like the fact of the matter is 161 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 2: the price. 162 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 3: Tag that they paid for HAZs Lozardo is that of. 163 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 2: What you would expect to pay for a back end 164 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:35,439 Speaker 2: starter with two years of control. That is how I 165 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 2: kind of see it, right, the Phillies not asking him 166 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 2: to be this ace that he could be. Right now, 167 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 2: Do I believe that he can be that? Absolutely? I 168 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 2: am a huge Hazus lozarda ban and on top of that, 169 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 2: I think that especially when you're as I am gonna 170 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 2: knock on so much wood right now, but the Phillies 171 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 2: have been probably the best team in baseball in terms 172 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 2: of keeping their pictures healthy. Phillies haven't had a serious 173 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 2: injury to their rotation in the Caleb Cotham era, which 174 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:08,959 Speaker 2: is crazy to say, but Aaron Nola has been a 175 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 2: workhorse his whole career. Zach Wheeler, who was an injury 176 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 2: plague pitcher, hasn't been seriously hurt outside of a you know, 177 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:19,080 Speaker 2: a splintered fingernail while he was zipping up his jeans. 178 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 3: You know, he hasn't been seriously hurt in the Phillies' uniform. 179 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 2: There are so many reasons to love the Phillies' chances 180 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 2: here because they've been so good at keeping their pitchers healthy. 181 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:33,200 Speaker 2: And again, I'm going to knock on all the wood 182 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 2: in the world for that. But again, I think the 183 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 2: thing to love about Jesus Lozardo is is what could 184 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 2: be right. But even if he goes out there and 185 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:45,200 Speaker 2: is giving you, you know, one hundred and twenty one 186 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 2: hundred and thirty innings, you know, of four or five 187 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:51,320 Speaker 2: er ball. That's kind of exactly what you would expect 188 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 2: of your fifth starter anyway. So it's a huge upgrade 189 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 2: over what the Phillies had. And then I'm sure we're 190 00:09:57,400 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 2: going to talk about this, but in terms of the 191 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 2: price tag that they pay aid, they could have done 192 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 2: so much worse. And so it's really really Again, I 193 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 2: look to the Garrett Crochetes, the you know, uh pictures 194 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 2: of that caliber that are getting these huge expansive returns. 195 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 2: You know of Kyle Teel and all these other you know, 196 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:20,679 Speaker 2: big name prospects. Starling Cobba is fantastic. He spectacular at 197 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:24,440 Speaker 2: top one hundred prospect consensus in baseball. But to be 198 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:28,359 Speaker 2: able to get an arm of Lozardo's caliber for that headliner, 199 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:32,559 Speaker 2: I think you're pretty happy, regardless of you know, where 200 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 2: he stands now health wise, which personally I'm not concerned 201 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 2: about in the slightest, but we'll see. 202 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 1: Wait, definitely, Well, So if it wasn't hazous Lozardo, I mean, 203 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 1: you guys were in on crochet guys wereuning a lot 204 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 1: of other guys who would have been I guess the 205 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 1: plan B for the Phillies if it wasn't gonna be 206 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 1: a hazus Lozardo. 207 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 3: I don't think there was. 208 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 2: Gonna be a plan B. The Phillies have Andrew Painter 209 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 2: pretty much locked and loaded. They want to give him 210 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 2: some time to mature and to get back to himself 211 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 2: in triple A. But I mean, yeah, the Phillies are 212 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:05,560 Speaker 2: very blessed right now and that they have. They've got 213 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 2: Mick Abel, They've got Seth Johnson, They've got the Painter. 214 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 2: They've got mois A Chasse who's you know, skyrocketing. They 215 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:15,080 Speaker 2: have a Gene Cabrera who is doing really they just 216 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 2: added to their forty men roster. They really have some 217 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 2: strong pitching prospects coming down the pipe. So I don't 218 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 2: think there would have been a backup. I think this 219 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:28,680 Speaker 2: deal was, like you guys said, I mean, I expected 220 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:30,840 Speaker 2: this deal to go down at the deadline. I expected 221 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 2: the Marlins to prove that Lozardo is what everybody thinks 222 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:38,319 Speaker 2: that he is, and then you know, Gopher have him 223 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 2: be the crown jewel of the trade deadline. But for 224 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 2: some reason, they didn't do that. And I do really 225 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 2: think that that's a bit of a mistake, just because 226 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:54,199 Speaker 2: I think that Lozardo's great, but I think the backup 227 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 2: would have been either signing a swing man like they 228 00:11:56,760 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 2: did in Joe Ross and kind of letting Tywan Walker 229 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 2: into Ross play with that fifth starter role, which would 230 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 2: have been much sadder than what it is now. But 231 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 2: I think you either that or or maybe they would have, 232 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 2: you know, swung a deal for some other, you know, 233 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:13,840 Speaker 2: project pitcher. 234 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 3: I just think this deal was probably too good for 235 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 3: Dave Dembreska to pass up. 236 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:21,320 Speaker 2: And I think that Crochet, by the way, got really 237 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 2: close at the deadline last year. It got really close, 238 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 2: and the Phillies were willing to pay top dollar for 239 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 2: for that caliber pitcher. The Phillies getting out of getting 240 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 2: this trade done without dealing from those you know, top 241 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 2: three ish prospects is just so exciting. 242 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 3: It's so exciting. 243 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 1: So let's talk about the return. It's Starlin Tabo, who 244 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 1: is one of your top who was one of the 245 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:50,559 Speaker 1: top prospects in the Phillies farm system. Immediately at least 246 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:53,680 Speaker 1: for us, becomes our top position player prospect number two. 247 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:56,440 Speaker 1: And then in Mario Boyd, who is more of a 248 00:12:56,480 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 1: defensive oriented guy, really really fast, still struggling on the 249 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:05,200 Speaker 1: offensive side, but let's talk about Cobba the prize possession. 250 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 3: Of this trade. 251 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:07,840 Speaker 1: I mean, we've seen the tweets from a very very 252 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 1: long time ago. You were in on Starlin Kabash. You 253 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:11,560 Speaker 1: just talk about him. 254 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:14,680 Speaker 3: He is. He has all the makings of a superstar. 255 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 3: He really does. 256 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 2: The one thing that I am really down on him 257 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 2: for the power is probably. 258 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:21,680 Speaker 3: Never gonna be there. 259 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 2: And that is a real shame because outside of his power, 260 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 2: everything is there's so much to like. 261 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 3: Right He's patient at the plate. 262 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 2: He's really selective with pitches, which is, you know, if 263 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:37,200 Speaker 2: you're not gonna have power, being selective. 264 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:40,080 Speaker 3: Is a great quality. He's really selective with pitches. 265 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 2: We will get to the glove in a minute, because 266 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:44,679 Speaker 2: it's just he could probably play short stop at the 267 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:49,440 Speaker 2: major league level right now. Yeah, every tool there's something 268 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 2: to like. Unfortunately, there being absolutely zero power there is 269 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 2: really really not It doesn't bode well for him at 270 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 2: the plate at the major league the level, again, not 271 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 2: everybody can be luis a rise when it comes to, 272 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 2: you know, just being able to so carefully place your little. 273 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 3: Bloops and things like that. 274 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:13,840 Speaker 2: Right, He's a completely different story. But Kabat is really 275 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 2: selective at the plate. There's a lot of like from 276 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 2: his hit tool perspective, but he needs that power if 277 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 2: he's going to succeed at major league level. 278 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 3: He just does. 279 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 2: And I think the Phillies were really down on the 280 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 2: fact that that power was. 281 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 3: Going to come. They were also that way on William 282 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 3: Pargola Junior, who they just. 283 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 2: Traded during the deadline to grab Tanner Banks from the 284 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 2: White Sox. Again, fantastic hit tool, pretty decent glove, not 285 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 2: as good as Kaba's obviously, but pretty decent glove. 286 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 3: Hit really well in. 287 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 2: The Miners last year, and they were just like, hey, 288 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 2: we're gonna let him go because they really did not 289 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 2: think that power was going to come along. But outside 290 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 2: of that, the glove is just unbelievable. What I've seen 291 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 2: of him. I've seen him in person a couple of times. 292 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 2: I've seen him, you know, I've obviously scouted as much 293 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:00,040 Speaker 2: video as is. 294 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 3: Available of him. He's incredible. 295 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 2: Defensively, he is you know, probably Andrelton Simmons like when 296 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:09,119 Speaker 2: it comes. 297 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 3: To his glove, so he is. 298 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 2: He's a really, really, really special fielder, and I think 299 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 2: that's huge for the Marlins. I think the Marlins really 300 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 2: really wanted to get their hands on a player like 301 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 2: that because the Marlins are a pitching first organization and 302 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 2: having a good shortstop, uh you know in your system 303 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 2: is only going to make your pitchers better. And so 304 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 2: I think that was a big part of this. Yeah, 305 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 2: I can't say enough good things about him. He's he 306 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 2: is stellar. You guys got a great prospect in return. 307 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 2: Don't let me saying that the Phillies did really well 308 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 2: in this trade deter anybody from thinking that Kaba is 309 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 2: a fantastic, fantastic prospect again, potential to be a superstar here, 310 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 2: especially if he can add a little bit of muscle. 311 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 2: But Marian Boyd, on the other hand, I am very 312 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 2: low on and I think I'm I'm I think I'm 313 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 2: I think on the low side here. I know a 314 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 2: lot of people that were really encouraged by his second 315 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 2: half last year, so it's nothing to worry about. 316 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 3: But it's just me personally. I'm just not a huge 317 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 3: number one. Again. The power is really lacking here, and 318 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 3: he does not have as good as a hit tool. 319 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 3: He is very swing happy, doesn't make a ton of contact. 320 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 2: Again, if he's he's somebody that could probably bunt his 321 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 2: way to a two fifty average, right, So you know, 322 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 2: this is a guy that if if he can learn 323 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 2: fundamentals things like that, he'll be a great bench player. Unfortunately, 324 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 2: the powers out there, the hit tool is not there, 325 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 2: and I'm really low on his defensive capability, at least 326 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 2: at the moment. He's very raw. But his routes are 327 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 2: kind of unencouraging. Even those highlights that you see of him, 328 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 2: he's taken really wonky routes and it kind of turning 329 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 2: himself around a lot. It's it's a very raw skill set. 330 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 2: It's not to say that he can't be a really 331 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 2: solid player, but I was very low on him, and 332 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 2: I was very confused as to why he was the 333 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 2: secondary piece here, just because I thought the majority of 334 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 2: organizations would be pretty low on him, just because. 335 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:08,639 Speaker 3: Of how raw that skill set is. 336 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 2: But you're right, he's got eighty grade wheels, he is 337 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 2: fast as f he is really really really he's really quick, 338 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 2: and he's really athletic. So there's reason to you know, 339 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 2: be bullish on the power. There's reason to be bullish on, 340 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:31,400 Speaker 2: you know, the the athletic factors of his game. Unfortunately, 341 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 2: the hit tool is not where you'd want it to 342 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 2: be if he were going to be a bench player, right, 343 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:38,160 Speaker 2: if he were going to be a certified bench guy, 344 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 2: the hit tool is not where you'd want it to be. 345 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 2: And yeah, I'm just not the biggest fan of this 346 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 2: kind of profile, but the Phillies do love this kind 347 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 2: of profile, so you know, it's a very interesting secondary piece. 348 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 2: I'm not all that high on him, but that is 349 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 2: not to say that he can't, you know, refine his 350 00:17:56,880 --> 00:17:58,639 Speaker 2: game on the under the Marlins eye. 351 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree with both of those assessments right there. 352 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 4: With yeah, Boyd, I guess it sort of fills at 353 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:09,959 Speaker 4: this moment. The Marlins are taking as many flyers as 354 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:13,359 Speaker 4: they can on potential center fielders, because that is that's 355 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:16,720 Speaker 4: a huge question mark moving forward. Obviously Jazz plugged that 356 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 4: hole for a couple of years and now it's a 357 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 4: wide open hole again. And so they have guys younger 358 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:23,440 Speaker 4: than Boyd in the system that they really like, Dylan 359 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 4: Head Andres Vlower among others. And then above him, there's 360 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 4: there's a couple that maybe we'll we'll squint and see 361 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:33,879 Speaker 4: what happens with Victor Mason Junior. Defensively, what happens with 362 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:37,440 Speaker 4: maybe Jacob Marcy if he can hit a little bit more. 363 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:40,120 Speaker 4: He's really fun to watch defensively and getting on base. 364 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:42,680 Speaker 4: But yeah, they have a lot of candidates there and 365 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:45,399 Speaker 4: just not really one at this moment that they feel 366 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 4: super good about. So that is and at the same time, 367 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 4: now they have a ton of middle infield depth in 368 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 4: this organization. And the thing is Cobba. From what I've 369 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 4: seen as well, I think he is the best defensive 370 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:58,720 Speaker 4: option among all He's. 371 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:01,639 Speaker 3: Probably the best defender in minor league baseball. I think 372 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 3: he is. He is. I mean, he's otherworldly. 373 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:06,879 Speaker 2: I think you guys will start to see as you 374 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:08,480 Speaker 2: get to see more in game action of him, but 375 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:11,440 Speaker 2: he is really he's so mature for his age and 376 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 2: he's such I think the biggest part about Cobba is 377 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:14,680 Speaker 2: something that I neglected to mention. 378 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:17,160 Speaker 3: He is the hardest worker on the field at all times. 379 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 3: He is he. 380 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 2: Wants it so bad and that is really exciting, especially 381 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:27,919 Speaker 2: when it comes to a young kid. Right, this is 382 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 2: not the six No Sanchez situation where there are concerns 383 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 2: about his conditioning. It No, Starlin's the first guy on 384 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:35,639 Speaker 2: the field and he's the last guy off the field. 385 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 3: He is a hard worker. 386 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 2: And he's always working to get better, and that is so, 387 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:43,879 Speaker 2: so so encouraging. But I think, Eli, you're hitting the 388 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:45,679 Speaker 2: nail on the head and that like they are taking 389 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 2: buyers on center fielders and shortstops, like they want to 390 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:54,640 Speaker 2: solidify those two premium defensive positions because this pitching first 391 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 2: organization needs that in their future if they're going to succeed. 392 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:02,160 Speaker 2: And also so something that I'll kind of offhand here, 393 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:05,199 Speaker 2: I don't know why Malstalomano Junior is not a part 394 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 2: of the Marlins organization anymore, but that to me is 395 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 2: just the craziest That is the free agent of the 396 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 2: Marlins that I am looking where he signs because I 397 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:19,919 Speaker 2: don't know what's going on there, but that seems like 398 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 2: the biggest mistake of all time. I think he's so spectacular. 399 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:27,879 Speaker 2: But I digress. 400 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 1: They're good. 401 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:31,960 Speaker 4: He did bring up six though, I wanted to touch 402 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,639 Speaker 4: on a related topic there, because this is the first 403 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 4: Marlins Philly's trade since the JT six though blockbuster way 404 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:44,199 Speaker 4: back then, and now with JT I at least for 405 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:47,359 Speaker 4: this upcoming year, he and Lozardo could be battery mates 406 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 4: to some extent. This is the final year of his contract. 407 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:52,920 Speaker 4: He is by catching standards, He's getting up there. He's 408 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:56,119 Speaker 4: going to be thirty four in spring training. Yeah, what 409 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 4: do you think his what's his future looking like with 410 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 4: this organization beyond twenty twenty five, if there's still is one. 411 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 3: It's really interesting. 412 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:09,159 Speaker 2: I think that it's going to be a challenge for 413 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 2: it's it's really going to depend on what his year 414 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:17,440 Speaker 2: looks like. Right JT has been really struggling with I think, 415 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:21,679 Speaker 2: finding consistency of late in his older age. Obviously, he 416 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:26,720 Speaker 2: has been spectacular for the Phillies, but he's still a 417 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:29,680 Speaker 2: great hitter. I guess I can't say great, but he's 418 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 2: one of the better hitting catchers in Major League Baseball. 419 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:37,240 Speaker 2: He is losing a step defensively, I feel as as 420 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:40,960 Speaker 2: he's never really been the best framer either. But I 421 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 2: think that ultimately, if the Phillies wants to extend him, 422 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 2: a deal will get done unless he comes out and 423 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 2: does you know, JT Realmuto things of old this season. 424 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:56,959 Speaker 2: I think an extension is definitely within the realm of possibility. 425 00:21:57,600 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 3: But I also think the. 426 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:02,399 Speaker 2: Phillies are pretty I don't want to say pretty high 427 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 2: on but I think they feel really comfortable with you know, 428 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 2: Raphael marsha on being an option. 429 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:08,639 Speaker 3: He's had a lot. 430 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 2: Of troubles staying healthy, but he's proven at the major 431 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 2: league level that he can hit. 432 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 3: And not only that. 433 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 2: He's proven that the power concerns that everyone had for 434 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 2: him in the minor leagues kind of aren't really a 435 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:24,160 Speaker 2: factor because for some reason, he's able to hit bombs 436 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 2: at the major league level. He's hit more bombs at 437 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 2: the major league level than he did in his entire 438 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 2: minor league career. So I don't know, it's very interesting 439 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:34,680 Speaker 2: to see how that's going to play out. But I 440 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:37,160 Speaker 2: think if I think JT would be happy to stay 441 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 2: in Philly, and I think the Phillies would be happy 442 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:40,960 Speaker 2: to keep him, I'm just not sure how many years 443 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:43,440 Speaker 2: they'd be willing to give him, especially as he kind 444 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:45,960 Speaker 2: of gets up there in age. But it's gonna be interesting. 445 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:49,119 Speaker 2: I think ultimately, you know, he's a leader on this team. 446 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 2: Everybody loves him, Philly loves him. 447 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:55,480 Speaker 3: So I think if both sides are probably looking to 448 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:58,119 Speaker 3: get a deal done, then it'll get done. 449 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:02,359 Speaker 1: So now that the Pilzardo still have some work to 450 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 1: do on the offensive side, So what is next for 451 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 1: these Phillies as they look to reclaim the division title 452 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:11,639 Speaker 1: and go a little further into the postseason this time around. 453 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:13,440 Speaker 3: Well reclaimed, they have it. 454 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 5: But I know what you mean the I think it's 455 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:23,240 Speaker 5: it's difficult to see where an upgrade is coming offensively 456 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 5: the Max Kepler signing Listen. 457 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 3: I'll go on record here. I love Max Kepler. Max 458 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:33,439 Speaker 3: Kepler has been a peripheral darling for years and years 459 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 3: and years, and. 460 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:37,440 Speaker 2: I've been begging any team that I like to sign 461 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 2: Max Kepler. 462 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:42,920 Speaker 3: Unfortunately, I don't think he was the answer for the Phillies. 463 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 2: I think that another left handed, you know, hitter in 464 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 2: this lineup that is not, you know, a lefty destroyer. 465 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:54,240 Speaker 2: It makes them their vulnerability to left handed pitching even 466 00:23:54,320 --> 00:24:00,399 Speaker 2: more vulnerable, which is okay, but it's what makes me 467 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:03,239 Speaker 2: think that there's something else in the tank here. I 468 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:06,200 Speaker 2: struggle to see where that upgrade can come. The Phillies 469 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 2: are pretty much they've promised playing time to everybody that 470 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 2: is in their projected opening day lineup, right, So unless 471 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 2: there's some big trade coming down the pipe, unless Nick 472 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 2: Casianos is going somewhere, unless Alec Bohm is going somewhere, 473 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 2: which I don't think Alec Bohm is going anywhere. 474 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:27,360 Speaker 3: I think these rumors have been so overblown over this offseason. 475 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 2: Because Alec Bolm is the best third basement available save 476 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:34,359 Speaker 2: Alex Bregman. Maybe Alec Bolm might be better than Alex Bregman, 477 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 2: but I don't think anybody's ready for that conversation. Alec 478 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:40,199 Speaker 2: Bolm is probably the best third basement bang for your 479 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,440 Speaker 2: buck available on a market that is starving for third 480 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 2: basement and I think that and or Geoshella glabor torres 481 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 2: this deal today, the one year, fifteen million dollar deal 482 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:54,360 Speaker 2: is a sign of that infielders are few and far 483 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 2: between right now. And you know, Labor, off a pretty 484 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 2: rough year with a lot of question marks in his game, 485 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:05,120 Speaker 2: is getting fifteen million dollars for one year. That's crazy. 486 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 2: But anyway, I think that this market is starved for 487 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 2: infielders at the moment, and I think that Alec Bohm 488 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 2: is probably the best one available, and the Phillies are 489 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 2: probably better off keeping him. 490 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:19,879 Speaker 3: Than what he would garner on. You know, the trade block. 491 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,359 Speaker 2: As you can see, they're asks for him have also 492 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:26,920 Speaker 2: been astronomical. I don't think they really want to trade him, 493 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 2: but they are exploring their options, right, But yeah, I don't. 494 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 2: I don't answer your question. I don't know what's next. 495 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:35,919 Speaker 2: I don't see how they can upgrade without a really 496 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:41,440 Speaker 2: meaningful shakeup to this opening day projected lineup, and I 497 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 2: don't know what that looks like. But can you really 498 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:48,120 Speaker 2: do better than Nick Castiano's, you know, via trade? Can 499 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:50,000 Speaker 2: you really like who is available that is going to 500 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 2: make you a more complete ball club that doesn't require 501 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 2: you to deal away your cleanup hitter or you're. 502 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,719 Speaker 3: Projected cleanup hitter? I should say so, I don't know. 503 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,560 Speaker 2: It's a really it's a good question and one that 504 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:03,399 Speaker 2: I really don't have the answer to. 505 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,640 Speaker 3: I do think that they have addressed a. 506 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 2: Majority of their needs this offseason, albeit through unconventional ways. 507 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 2: I think it's a mistake for them to stand pat 508 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 2: with where the bullpen is right now. They lost two 509 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,639 Speaker 2: of the best relievers in baseball to free agency and 510 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:23,439 Speaker 2: then signed one project in Jordan Romano, and seem to 511 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:25,680 Speaker 2: be standing pat at least from a free agent side 512 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 2: on on the bullpen, which I do think is a 513 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 2: bit of a mistake. I think that they could do 514 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,439 Speaker 2: a lot better in terms of they need a right 515 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 2: handed hitter that will damage lefties. That's what they need. 516 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,119 Speaker 2: How they can get it? I got no idea, but 517 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 2: I guess we'll have to wait and see. It is 518 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,639 Speaker 2: something that I'm certainly twiddling my thumbs and waiting for 519 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 2: the waiting for the answer to so we're gonna find out. 520 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 2: But I'm just as clueless as the next guy. It's 521 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 2: it's tough to see where this team can conceivably upgrade. 522 00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:58,919 Speaker 1: The final question in my end is this. This is 523 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:02,199 Speaker 1: a Marlins roster that no longer as Jake Berger doesn't 524 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 1: have what's his name Hazels Bizardo soon to not have 525 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:09,480 Speaker 1: many of these other relievers and even starting pitchers depending 526 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 1: on what's gonna go happen happen in the trade deadline? 527 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:13,920 Speaker 1: Is any of these names scary you? 528 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:14,080 Speaker 3: You know? 529 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:17,280 Speaker 1: I know Johnny Parade is out there and some other guys, 530 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 1: but but you know who's scares you? On this Morron's roster. 531 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,280 Speaker 1: I know Sandy's coming back, so obviously that's that maybe 532 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 1: the easy answer, Uh yeah, exactly, Sandy. 533 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:30,600 Speaker 3: Sandy's great. 534 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 2: I think Sandy is gonna be I hate to say this, 535 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 2: but it is going to be. You know that Crown 536 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,720 Speaker 2: jewel of the of the of the trade deadline. Probably 537 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 2: I think that, you know, from a prospect perspective, maybe 538 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 2: Davison Della Santos can put something together. But I think 539 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,400 Speaker 2: I told you guys last time I was on I'm 540 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,440 Speaker 2: not high on that profile at the major league level 541 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:58,680 Speaker 2: at all. I think that that is such a such 542 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 2: an interesting fit for this organization that h yeah, hasn't 543 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:06,879 Speaker 2: really shown that developing hitting is their strong suit, and 544 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 2: I think getting. 545 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 3: A guy like that, who was like one hundredth percentile 546 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 3: in Chase. 547 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 2: And with rate in the minor leagues, getting him to 548 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,120 Speaker 2: stop swinging so much is gonna be tough. 549 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 3: But I will say I think that there are some 550 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,880 Speaker 3: reasons to be excited here. 551 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 2: I think that there are a few, you know, obviously 552 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,640 Speaker 2: hitters in this lineup that you know, will get their 553 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 2: fair share of playing time and maybe they'll get overexposed, 554 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:37,640 Speaker 2: but maybe they'll also do you know, some decent things. 555 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 3: That being said, Yeah, this team, their rotation. 556 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:44,960 Speaker 2: Was you know, the thing that scared anybody, and now 557 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 2: that rotation has been decimated. 558 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 3: I mean, what is. 559 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 2: The future of Brax and Garrett, What is the future 560 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:51,880 Speaker 2: of Uri Perez, What is the future of Sandy. What 561 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 2: will Sandy look like when he comes back? Like, there 562 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 2: are so many question marks on this roster that I 563 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 2: don't think anyone can be intimidated by it because it's 564 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 2: just it. Yeah, it's gonna be a rough year, I 565 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:11,120 Speaker 2: I I think, and it makes me sad because you 566 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:12,760 Speaker 2: know again, I say it all the time. 567 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:14,640 Speaker 3: I am a closeted Marlins fan. 568 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:19,920 Speaker 2: I like seeing this organization succeed, but I really struggle 569 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:26,600 Speaker 2: to understand the Bendixie and plan here when it comes 570 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 2: to you know, how this team is planning to not 571 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 2: compete but but but sell tickets in the near future. 572 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 3: There's nobody that you can. 573 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:38,760 Speaker 2: Slap on too, like like who is gonna be It's 574 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:42,480 Speaker 2: gonna be Sandy on like the the opening day, uh 575 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 2: scorecard and and and and yearbook, but like who else? 576 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 2: Like who knows Otto Lopez's face just by looking at it? 577 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:51,880 Speaker 3: Like who knows? 578 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 2: I don't know, uh, Kyle Stower's faces? 579 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:02,600 Speaker 3: Mom? Like nobody? So you know who this base is? 580 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:07,280 Speaker 3: That is there? 581 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 4: That's a big free agent edition this offseason. 582 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:13,120 Speaker 3: That's Eric that yeah, the new manager. 583 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:19,280 Speaker 4: Nothing, new manager, No, the new platoon first baseman something, 584 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,480 Speaker 4: Eric Wagerman that was he debuted with the Angels last year. 585 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:26,840 Speaker 2: Wait, shout out Rob or, shout out Rob or because 586 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 2: and I'm gonna send him this clip. 587 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 3: Later, Rob was in I have a text. 588 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:34,920 Speaker 2: Chain with a couple of you know, industry folks that 589 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:38,600 Speaker 2: I just you know, we talked about baseball moves across 590 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 2: the the you know, across the board. 591 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:45,240 Speaker 3: But he was begging if the Phillies were going to 592 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 3: trade out Boom. 593 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 2: He was begging that the Phillies signed Eric Wagerman to 594 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 2: a guaranteed deal. He was begging, if you want some 595 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:58,520 Speaker 2: good content about Wagonman, go subscribe to Baseball Perspectus and read. 596 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:00,840 Speaker 2: I think Rob did a whole piece on him, but 597 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:05,360 Speaker 2: it is so fascinating to see how hyper fixated he 598 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:09,960 Speaker 2: was on Wagaman. I don't know, guys, I wouldn't be 599 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:14,280 Speaker 2: as disappointed in that signing. If you are disappointed, there's 600 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:16,520 Speaker 2: there's a lot to like there, at least from you know, 601 00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 2: what he showed last year. So maybe just maybe, just 602 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 2: like Jonah Bride, maybe the Marlins found something here. 603 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:23,880 Speaker 4: Not. 604 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:27,800 Speaker 2: But if that's the most excited you can get about 605 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:32,680 Speaker 2: a player on this roster, yikes, Yeah, exactly what Eric 606 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 2: Wagman looked like he looks older than twenty seven. 607 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:41,000 Speaker 1: You would he like a random hitting coach or something. 608 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 3: Yeap, I don't even know what. 609 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 2: I don't even know what the name of I'll have 610 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,480 Speaker 2: to familiarize myself, but the name of the Dodgers first 611 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,800 Speaker 2: base coach that's now the Marlins man. 612 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:57,000 Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I don't know who that is. 613 00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 3: But it's, uh, what do we think? What's the news 614 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:04,560 Speaker 3: on Clayton McCallum, What do we think? 615 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 4: It's It's fine. It's a different vibe than Skip Schumacher 616 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,480 Speaker 4: head for sure, And yeah. 617 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:14,920 Speaker 3: I just can't believe Skip is gone. 618 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,840 Speaker 2: Like I can't believe a year after winning Manager of 619 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:22,960 Speaker 2: the Year, he is this gonna go like, Oh, we 620 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 2: don't even need to go there. I don't even talk 621 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:30,320 Speaker 2: about Batman right now. But whatever, it's it's a very 622 00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:33,520 Speaker 2: interesting time to be a Marlins fan. And I think 623 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:37,640 Speaker 2: what I will say is being somebody who you know, 624 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:42,520 Speaker 2: I started my witter account and my my my baseball 625 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,920 Speaker 2: media career, if you can even call it that, during 626 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:51,720 Speaker 2: a terrible rebuild, During the most painful rebuild I can 627 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 2: possibly imagine, which was the Phillies rebuild where nobody was on. 628 00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:58,080 Speaker 3: The same page. 629 00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:04,520 Speaker 2: There was so much just miscommunication and awful pandering and 630 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,520 Speaker 2: all these terrible things that just led to fans getting 631 00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:09,880 Speaker 2: their hopes up and getting crushed one year after another. 632 00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,240 Speaker 2: And what I will say is it is probably one 633 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,840 Speaker 2: of the most fun times to be a baseball fan 634 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:22,280 Speaker 2: because you can start rooting for stories and individuals over 635 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:26,240 Speaker 2: just rooting for your team. And I know that it 636 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:30,960 Speaker 2: feels terrible right now to be kind of relaunching into 637 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:34,719 Speaker 2: this long process and you know all the things, It 638 00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,760 Speaker 2: can be really fun if you make it fun. And 639 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:41,560 Speaker 2: you are very lucky Marlins fans that you have this team, 640 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:44,720 Speaker 2: that you have this fish on First Crew to guide 641 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:48,360 Speaker 2: you through this season, because there is no better outlet 642 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,560 Speaker 2: when it comes to having fun than these. 643 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:52,040 Speaker 3: Guys a right here. 644 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:54,880 Speaker 2: So I think that even though it's going to suck 645 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,240 Speaker 2: for a little while and there is not gonna be 646 00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:59,520 Speaker 2: a lot of competition to root for, there are gonna 647 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:00,880 Speaker 2: be a lot of fun stories and a lot of 648 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,680 Speaker 2: fun things to do. And you will look back on 649 00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:08,000 Speaker 2: these years very fondly when you're remembering some guys after the. 650 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:12,160 Speaker 3: Marlins win the World Series in twenty forty five. But 651 00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:14,240 Speaker 3: I digress. 652 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, they'll lose one hundred games next year, but somehow 653 00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:20,200 Speaker 4: still go seven and six against the Phillies for whatever 654 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:24,200 Speaker 4: reason in like twenty nineteen and twenty eighteen. 655 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,719 Speaker 3: It's just yeah, it's gonna be great. 656 00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,080 Speaker 1: All right. I think we'll wrap it up here, Eli, 657 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:31,880 Speaker 1: anything else you've. 658 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:33,479 Speaker 3: Got, no, that's great. 659 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:35,399 Speaker 4: I think this is going to be the final full 660 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,479 Speaker 4: length pod recording on our channel in twenty twenty four. 661 00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:39,200 Speaker 3: So it has. 662 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,799 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's been a year, it really has. It has 663 00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:47,040 Speaker 4: been an exhausting year mentally for a lot of Marlins 664 00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:48,799 Speaker 4: fans as well, and we appreciate everybody that has stuck 665 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,120 Speaker 4: with us, and of course we appreciate all the great 666 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,960 Speaker 4: guests who have come on. Lastly, but certainly not least 667 00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:56,560 Speaker 4: Alex Carr driving us into the new year. Thank you, Alex. 668 00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:01,080 Speaker 2: It truly is always the biggest pleasure. We'll move mountains 669 00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,720 Speaker 2: to appear on this show because I just love chatting 670 00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:04,200 Speaker 2: with you guys. 671 00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:05,080 Speaker 3: So thanks for having me. 672 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,920 Speaker 1: We appreciate having a We appreciate having you on. So 673 00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,520 Speaker 1: we'll wrap it up here from Alex Eli myself. We'll 674 00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:11,759 Speaker 1: see you. 675 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,760 Speaker 3: Guys all in twenty twenty five. Peace Out. And go fish, 676 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:28,799 Speaker 3: go marlins,