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Speaker 1: Cold Zone Media.

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Speaker 2: No inappropriate joke Robert to start this episode, Wow, I

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Speaker 2: feel so clean.

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Speaker 3: You know. I guess you could say I have some

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Speaker 3: executive dysfunction today.

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Speaker 2: This is it could happen here executive disorder, our weekly

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Speaker 2: newscast covering what's happening in the White House, the Crumpling world,

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Speaker 2: what it means for you. I'm Garrison Davis today. I'm

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Speaker 2: joined by Mia Wong, Robert Evans, and possibly Sophie Lichterman,

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Speaker 2: our producer. This episode, we are covering the week of

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Speaker 2: August twenty eighth to September third, Happy fake Labor Day

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Speaker 2: to everybody, and some breaking news from this past weekend.

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Speaker 2: Trump maybe died.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, let's check out on that. Garrison as our official,

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Speaker 3: is the president a lie of correspondent?

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Speaker 2: Let me do a quick at Google search here? Oh no, no,

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Speaker 2: he's still around.

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Speaker 3: Did everyone get tricked again?

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Speaker 2: He's still okay?

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Speaker 4: Like conspiracy theory is the week were really fun And

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Speaker 4: then there was that thing that video that went viral

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Speaker 4: of like them like opening a White House window and

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Speaker 4: throwing out a couple of black trash bags.

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Speaker 3: That really was really funny. That was really funny.

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Speaker 4: I was like, there's way worse things going on in

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Speaker 4: the world. I don't have time to care about this.

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Speaker 4: But we never got information about that. That was just

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Speaker 4: some weird shit.

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Speaker 2: Not yet, not yet, Sophie sensational.

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Speaker 3: I don't think we know what it was. I mean,

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Speaker 3: it could just be that's them fucking cleaning shit. But

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't be surprised if they were destroying evidence.

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Speaker 4: I wasn't aware those windows could open. I thought they

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Speaker 4: were like bulletproof and and like weren't.

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Speaker 2: Supposed to open.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure they both bulletproof, but have to be possible

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Speaker 3: to open so that the Secret Service has more paths

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Speaker 3: of egress in the event that some crazy disaster were

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Speaker 3: to befall the White House. Okay, well, you need to

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Speaker 3: watch the documentary White House Down, Sophie. This spells all

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Speaker 3: of that out.

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Speaker 2: So Trump went a few days without a major public appearance.

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Speaker 3: The man is just trying to take some time off.

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Speaker 2: Though he was seen golfing between Saturday and one day,

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Speaker 2: but there's nothing on Trump's public schedule for three days

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Speaker 2: during Labor Day weekend, where he essentially took a brief

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Speaker 2: gulfing holiday, and this fueled speculation that he was in

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Speaker 2: a rapid health decline, spawning a whole bunch of conspiras,

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Speaker 2: theories about him being in the hospital, Vance imminently taking over,

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Speaker 2: and some comments from JD. Vance during a USA Today

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Speaker 2: interview released last Thursday fueled some of this speculation. Over

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Speaker 2: the weekend, Vance said, quote, I feel very confident the

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Speaker 2: President of the United States is in good shape, is

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Speaker 2: going to serve out the remainder of his term and

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Speaker 2: do great things for the American people. And if God

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Speaker 2: forbid there's a terrible tragedy, I can't think of better

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Speaker 2: on the job training than what I've gotten over the

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Speaker 2: last two hundred days unquote. It sounds like he's ready

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Speaker 2: to take the reins right now.

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Speaker 3: Sure, man, Yeah, you're trained up now.

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Speaker 2: Over the weekend, people spread AI altered images of Trump's

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Speaker 2: face looking more swollen and sickly than it actually was,

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Speaker 2: and rumors circulated that roads to Walter Reed Medical Center

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Speaker 2: and screenshots of maps supposedly showing these quote unquote closures

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Speaker 2: were actually just showing old security gates because yeah, you

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Speaker 3: This is the ocent of idiots, right, which is people

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Speaker 3: seeing something that is described as being one thing in

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Speaker 3: It's the same thing with like the Pentagon pizza totally

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Speaker 3: orders that people are like, ohh when pizza orders peeked

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Speaker 3: the Pentagon, where about the US is about to go

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Speaker 3: to war, and it's like no, Sometimes people just order

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Speaker 3: a city, right, there's like there's people.

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Speaker 2: The Pentagon pizza tracker was part of these weekend conspiracy

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Speaker 2: theories that you were like trying to decide how to

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Speaker 2: handle Trump's declining health, and yes, people just like pizza guys.

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Speaker 3: Like it's one of those things. I'm certainly not saying

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Speaker 3: there's no way you will wake up tomorrow to hear

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Speaker 3: that Trump has died, because you know what, he's seventy nine.

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Speaker 3: It wouldn't be weird if his health took a sudden

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Speaker 3: weird because he's seventy nine. But like the people pointing

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Speaker 3: like the marks on his hand, and it's like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: that isn't it for both of them. This is evidence

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Speaker 3: that they are older than you should be to be president.

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Speaker 3: But like, my grandpa had shit like that, because my

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Speaker 3: of his life. His hands looked a lot like that

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Speaker 3: for like a decade. Like, so people live for a

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Speaker 3: long time. After it becomes clear that they're very sick

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Speaker 3: and old, it's not a sign that they're about to

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Speaker 3: kick off this weekend.

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Speaker 2: That guy in Congress who looks like a turtle has

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Speaker 2: had weird bruises on his body for as long as

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Speaker 2: I can remember, Toddle, Yeah, but no, Like accounts were

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Speaker 2: basically theorizing that like Putin poisoned Trump during their last meeting,

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Speaker 2: and this is why he's in a rapid health decline.

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Speaker 5: Oh my god, why.

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Speaker 3: Why would he need to do that? Why would that

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Speaker 5: So baffling.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, when people noticed looking at the White House schedule,

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Speaker 2: which they'd realized just existed a few days ago. But

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Speaker 2: when looking on the schedule, they saw that quote unquote,

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Speaker 2: the president was to give an announcement on Tuesday afternoon.

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Speaker 2: Because of this, rumor spread that it would be Trump

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Speaker 2: resigning for health reasons or Vance would come out and

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Speaker 2: announce Trump died and he was the president now like

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Speaker 2: some like really bad Aaron Sory in movie. That's how

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Speaker 2: it works.

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Speaker 5: Also, I just want to also put this out there. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: that White House leaks like a fucking sieve. There is

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Speaker 5: no way you could cover up the president dying without

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Speaker 5: it being out immediately, Like come on.

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Speaker 3: No, I'm sorry, like you, they couldn't keep it hidden

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Speaker 3: when he got sick. You think they're going to keep

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Speaker 3: the fact that they're gonna weaken it Bernie's it's ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, when this press conference got delayed an hour on Tuesday,

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Speaker 2: this too was used as the evidence of Trump's declining health.

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Speaker 2: But sure enough, right before three pm, Trump came out

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Speaker 2: it was delayed, because he had like twenty guys with

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Speaker 2: him who, like multiple people spoke to announce that they

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Speaker 2: this was just normal Trump.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, does he seem older than he did in twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 3: For sure.

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Speaker 2: Man, it's like were wrinkled.

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Speaker 4: But like he's older exactly like he did before these

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he looks old, Like he looks older

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Speaker 3: than he did ten years ago. Yeah, I'm just saying.

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Speaker 5: Oh, he's so much less coherent than then. But like, yeah,

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Speaker 5: he's not like, yeah, dying.

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Speaker 3: I don't have any particular reason to expect he's about

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Speaker 3: it appear as if time is continuing to march on

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Speaker 2: Yes, of course, you know exactly. During said press conference,

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Speaker 2: Trump himself was asked about his alleged imminent demise and responded, like,

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Speaker 1: Really different but about a big viral social media trend

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Speaker 1: over the weekend.

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Speaker 3: How did you find out over the weekend that.

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Speaker 6: You were dady?

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Speaker 5: You see that? No, people didn't see it for a

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Speaker 3: One point three million user engagements as of Saturday morning

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Speaker 3: about your demise?

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Speaker 7: Really, you know, I have heard it's sort of crazy.

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Speaker 7: But last week I did numerous news conferences, all successful.

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Speaker 7: They went very well, Like this is going very well,

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Speaker 7: and then I didn't do any for two days, and

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Speaker 7: they said there must be something wrong with him. Biden

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Speaker 7: wouldn't do him for months. You wouldn't see him, and

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Speaker 7: nobody ever said there was ever anything wrong with him.

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Speaker 7: And we know he wasn't the greatest of shape.

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Speaker 2: No, I heard that.

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Speaker 7: I get reports. Now you knew. I'd did an interview

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Speaker 7: that lasted for about an hour and a half with

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Speaker 7: somebody and everybody. So that was on one of your competitors.

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Speaker 5: That's a remarkably coherent Trump by Trump's standards.

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Speaker 2: Like no, and he's talking about how he was sending

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Speaker 2: out very pointiant truths over the weekend on truth So okay,

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Speaker 2: that's for current Yeah, like and yeah, he just took

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Speaker 2: He is the oldest elected president and the White House

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Speaker 2: recently announced he was diagnosed with chronic venus and sufficiency

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Speaker 2: a few months ago to explain his ankle swelling and

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Speaker 2: the bruises on his right hand have become more noticeable,

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Speaker 2: which the White House is attributed to frequent handshaking and

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Speaker 2: the use of aspirin.

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Speaker 3: That is really funny. Yeah, he shook too many hands.

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Speaker 2: He just can't stop shaking hands.

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Speaker 2: But the aspirin thing is is real, and people of

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Speaker 2: his age, frequent aspirin use can lead to bruising. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but I just finished up my Blue and On research,

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Speaker 2: and then this whole weekend as I was like literally

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Speaker 2: finishing those episodes, this, this whole this whole giant wave

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Speaker 2: of these like Trump health conspiracies just just completely took

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Speaker 2: over and I felt like I was like losing it,

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Speaker 2: like everyone around me, and everyone around me was indulging this,

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Speaker 2: and like usually from this place of like half joking

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Speaker 2: gets blurry between are you indulging in this like ironically

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Speaker 2: because it's fun or does it is it actually kind

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Speaker 2: of altering your brain? Like is it actually slowly making

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Speaker 2: you convinced of this stuff? In like a small way.

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Speaker 3: This gets to what is at the root of all

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Speaker 3: conspiracy culture, regardless of like the political ideology, which is

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Speaker 3: the need, the emotional need to believe that you are

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Speaker 3: the possessor of secret knowledge. Yeah, right, like that that

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Speaker 3: that is so much a part of this that like no, no, no,

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Speaker 3: I'm I am privy to secrets about the world that

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Speaker 3: the average person is not, and the degree to which

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Speaker 3: that's like comforting and also emotionally necessary for quite a

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Speaker 3: few people. And that's part of the problem with humoring

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Speaker 3: this is that the instant you let it into your life,

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Speaker 3: it starts taking more and more power because it becomes

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Speaker 3: part of your ego, It becomes part of your coping mechanisms.

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Speaker 3: It becomes like yeah, something, but you become dependent upon it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And I think it's also word noting. Like, you know,

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Speaker 5: people are confused all the time about how does the

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Speaker 5: right come to believe all of these things? How does

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Speaker 5: the right sort of you know, like, how does like

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Speaker 5: vaccine conspiracism spread? How does like QAnon spread? It's like

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Speaker 5: it spreads like this, right, this is what it looks like.

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Speaker 5: And you're also not immune to it just because your

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Speaker 5: politics are better. It's still really really easy to fall

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Speaker 5: down those pathways because they're addictive and fun. And that's

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Speaker 2: like National Guard deployments to cities nationwide, the actual main

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Speaker 2: mode that National Guard will be operating in is logistical

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Speaker 2: and like like PaperWorks support for ICE operations. Yep, at

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Speaker 2: least for these like broader nationwide deployments. With these specific

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Speaker 2: deployment in DC and in Chicago, there's there's more preparation

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Speaker 2: for like carrying out ordinary law enforcement actions. But those

445
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Speaker 2: actions also exist in coordination with immigration crackdowns, and like

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Speaker 2: that's a lot of what these like more militarized occupations

447
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Speaker 2: are going to be focused on.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And it's worth noting like just logistically, like they're

449
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Speaker 5: not going to be sending the Guard into the parts

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Speaker 5: of Chicago where there like are is crime sometimes with

451
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Speaker 5: though again it's worth noting crime rates that weighed fuck down. Yeah,

452
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Speaker 5: but also like every story about this is like, oh,

453
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Speaker 5: there were shootings over the weekend, and it's like, yeah,

454
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Speaker 5: it's not good, but like the actional Guard is not

455
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Speaker 5: going to be deployed to stop shootings. They literally can't

456
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Speaker 5: get there again, It's like, no, three hours out.

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Speaker 3: No, they can't get to the north side of Chicago.

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Speaker 3: And as as we all know from the song Bad

459
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Speaker 3: Bad Lee broy Brown, the south side of Chicago is

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Speaker 3: the baddest part of town.

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Speaker 5: Jesus Christ, I'm just gonna ignore that.

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Speaker 3: Uh huh, yeah, you should just ignore that.

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Speaker 5: There are places in Norset that they could deploy. But

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Speaker 5: if you're trying to get to the actual south side,

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Speaker 5: it is at least a three hour drive. And that's

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Speaker 5: like assuming that, like the traffic isn't bad, Like it's

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Speaker 5: at least three hours. It's possibly larger than that. I

468
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Speaker 5: I didn't even bother checking it because I looked at

469
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Speaker 5: where this was and I was like, this is basically

470
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Speaker 5: in Wisconsin, what are we doing here? So like this

471
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Speaker 5: is you know, this is this is GZ Garrison was saying,

472
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Speaker 5: this is a this is a giant show of force thing,

473
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Speaker 5: and it's but it's mostly just this is the sort

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Speaker 5: of shock and all thing to frame this as crime

475
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Speaker 5: so that people aren't focusing on obviously, like it's bad

476
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Speaker 5: having just like troops in the streets, but like the

477
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Speaker 5: ice enforcement and the border patrol deployment is what the

478
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Speaker 5: actual threat is here.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, and like yeah, Depentagon and the Trump admen

480
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Speaker 2: are planning a lot of different scenarios that they would

481
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Speaker 2: like to enact. But Trump's actual comments on like a

482
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Speaker 2: larger like military style deployment to Chicago had been a

483
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Speaker 2: little bit flip floppy. I think they're still trying to

484
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Speaker 2: reach some kind of deal to like work with the

485
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Speaker 2: local government and state governments in a way that is

486
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Speaker 2: less bombastic than like a like a completely like adversarial

487
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Speaker 2: deployment would be. Even that that press conference where the

488
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Speaker 2: shambling corpse of Trump made an appearance, his his his

489
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Speaker 2: comments about the possibility of the point of to Chicago

490
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Speaker 2: is seemed still pretty exploratory, Like there's still there's still

491
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Speaker 2: like conversations being had about how to actually do this.

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Speaker 2: They they are not as as brazen as what they

493
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Speaker 2: were in LA and they don't have as much justification

494
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Speaker 2: to do what they did in DC to a city

495
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Speaker 2: like Chicago. So they're still trying to work out some

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Speaker 2: kind of deal with like the local governments.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's really unclear to me that they're going

498
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Speaker 5: to be able to reach a deal with Brandon Johnson

499
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Speaker 5: and with Pritzker, who's leading it.

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Speaker 2: It seems that Brandon Johnson's less willing to work with

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Speaker 2: Trump on this than the mayor of DC, So props

502
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Speaker 2: to him for that, I guess.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And this is also a thing where Brandon Johnson

505
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Speaker 5: is like very deeply unpopular in Chicago. However, actual federal

506
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,879
Speaker 5: deployment there is so unpopular that you have you have

507
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Speaker 5: the fact that The Sun Times is pointing out in

508
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Speaker 5: the reporting of this that crime rates are down, which

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Speaker 5: they have never done, like ever, That's not a thing

510
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Speaker 5: they ever talk about. It's so unpopular that there is

511
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Speaker 5: really really significant pressure on both Pritzker and Johnson not

512
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Speaker 5: to do this, and you know, maybe they cave. I

513
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:46,639
Speaker 5: have a kind of low opinion of them from like

514
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Speaker 5: my time in the city doing politics there, But I

515
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Speaker 5: don't think they're going to cave on this, No, And

516
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Speaker 5: I think what that means is that it's mostly going

517
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Speaker 5: to be the homeland security like ice border patrol deployments.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, guesse. Chicago does fall into our very loose definition

519
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Speaker 2: of like a border town.

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Speaker 3: Uh huh, yes, which most towns are.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 3: Speaking of JB. Pritzker, I mean he has a lot

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Speaker 3: of corporate interests. He may have stock in one of

524
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Speaker 3: the companies advertising on our show. We have no way

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Speaker 3: of knowing we're back.

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Speaker 2: I just got a text from JB. Pritsker. Oh yeah,

527
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Speaker 2: I was recruiting for the private people's militia to defend

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Speaker 2: the free municipality of Chicago.

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Speaker 3: So he's recruiting horse archers for the cop Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you've got to be able to loose twelve arrows a

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Speaker 3: minute from the back of a war pony in order

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Speaker 3: to in order to make the make the cut.

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Speaker 5: Protesters did shoot arrows at the cops at Hong Kong,

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Speaker 5: so it's not it's not without precedent.

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Speaker 3: Yes they did. Yes, they did at the university. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, and you know, if Florida National Guard deploys to Illinois,

537
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Speaker 2: they may be able to use biological warfare because the

538
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Speaker 2: Florida Surgeon General has just vowed to end all of

539
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Speaker 2: the state's vaccine mandates, equating them with slavery. Not just

540
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Speaker 2: the COVID mandates, all vaccine mandates across this state. After

541
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Speaker 2: he announced this, he got like over thirty seconds of applause,

542
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Speaker 2: like NonStop. I will play a little bit of the

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Speaker 2: end of this announcement.

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Speaker 8: Every last one of them is wrong and drips with

545
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Speaker 8: disdain and slavery. Okay, who am I as a government

546
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Speaker 8: or anyone else, or who am I as a man

547
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Speaker 8: standing here now.

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Speaker 3: To tell you what you should put in your body?

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Speaker 8: Who am I to tell you what your child should

550
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Speaker 8: put in your body?

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Speaker 3: I don't have that right.

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Speaker 8: Your body, your body.

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Speaker 3: Is a gift from God.

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Speaker 2: You really wanted to say, your body your choice.

555
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: Huh?

556
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Speaker 8: What you put into your body is because of your relationship.

557
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 3: With your body and your God. I don't have that right.

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Speaker 5: Oh really, Oh really? Oh wow, unless it's trans healthcare,

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Speaker 5: in which case you simply cannot.

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Speaker 2: A little on the nose there.

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Speaker 6: God.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's frankly wild. Yeah, motherfucker. It's like it's like

563
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Speaker 2: that commercial that was.

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Speaker 4: I don't know, you might be too young for this.

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Speaker 4: Kuess there's this commercial with this this old man with

566
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Speaker 4: like a dollar on a fishing rod.

567
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Speaker 2: Going you almost got it. It's literally that it's literally

568
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Speaker 2: that no very close into walking into a full body

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Speaker 2: autonomy argument there, even though you know, for reproductive healthcare

570
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Speaker 2: that is unrelated to general public health, which is why

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Speaker 2: these mandates exist, which can affect people besides you.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 2: Oh, Ron Santas announced and during the same press conference

574
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Speaker 2: the creation of a Florida's own Make America Healthy Again Commission,

575
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Speaker 2: which will enforce Robert F. Kennedy's policies to the fullest

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Speaker 2: extent in their state.

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Speaker 4: Grand he was the least charismatic person we saw speak

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Speaker 4: at the RNC last year, just saying yeah, DeSantis. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: in my opinion, no, no, who was worse?

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Speaker 2: JT Vance?

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Speaker 3: YEA Advance was there.

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Speaker 2: That lady did fall asleep.

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Speaker 3: Man and people people were outwardly contemptuous of Vans at

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Speaker 3: the RNC, like like Republicans were contemptuous. But remember the

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Speaker 3: women for trouble, A.

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Speaker 2: Woman who fell asleep next to us while watching the

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Speaker 2: Dvance speech and then mouth he's so dry.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that was really good. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: But I would say DeSantis is a solid number two,

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Speaker 4: maybe Abbot three, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Maybe they should have got a vaccine to boost their

592
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Speaker 2: boost their charismas dats.

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Speaker 3: That's right, that's how that works, lax or.

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Speaker 2: So this is really dangerous. This is going to put

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Speaker 2: a whole bunch of kids in harm's way. Yeah, worrying trend.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I want to talk a little bit about Ukraine. Ukraine

598
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Speaker 3: specifically kind of the present situation of the war in Ukraine.

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Speaker 3: Just kind of another little update because people catch little

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Speaker 3: bits here and there on the news about what's happening,

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Speaker 3: and I felt like we should probably update people as

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Speaker 3: to what's been going on. Kind of the most recent

603
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Speaker 3: news you've probably heard is that Russian forces have been

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Speaker 3: advancing in the Dnetsk Oblast and recently broke into an

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Speaker 3: eighth region of Ukraine and started taking villages in the

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Speaker 3: d naipro Petrovsk region, which is like a major industrial

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Speaker 3: center that's next to the Dnet region, where Russian soldiers

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Speaker 3: had not been recently. At this point, gains in this

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Speaker 3: new region by Russia have been seemed to be fairly minimal.

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Speaker 3: They've entered two villages in the eastern part of the region.

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Speaker 3: The Russian Defense Ministry claims that they captured both of

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Speaker 3: the villages. The Ukrainian Defense Ministry has said, well, they're

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Speaker 3: in the area and they're basically contesting them, but they

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Speaker 3: haven't entrenched or built fortifications. Like fighting is ongoing. I'm

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Speaker 3: sure neither country is giving out perfectly accurate data, but

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Speaker 3: it seems certainly fair to say and verifiable to say

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Speaker 3: that Russian has made an incursion into this region and

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Speaker 3: the fighting is ongoing. However solid their gains may or

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Speaker 3: may not be. This is not the entirety of what's

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Speaker 3: going on in the conflict overall. Basically, the whole line

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Speaker 3: of contact with Russia, which is about one thousand miles long,

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Speaker 3: is in play at the moment, but there have not

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Speaker 3: been like massive gains over the last couple of months,

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Speaker 3: and in fact, as of August of twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 3: Russian forces occupied about nineteen percent of Ukrainian territory. They

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Speaker 3: first hit nineteen percent back in October of twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 3: right before Ukrainian forces liberated a large chunk of the

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Speaker 3: Kersan Oblast. So basically what we're seeing here is Russian

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Speaker 3: forces reached this peak like three years ago, a Ukrainian

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Speaker 3: counter offensive pushed them back, and over the last three

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Speaker 3: years Russian forces have kind of clawed their way back

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Speaker 3: to where they were near the end of twenty twenty two, right,

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Speaker 3: if you're looking for, like what is the overall progress

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Speaker 3: of this war over the last three years, So that's

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Speaker 3: obviously not going well for Ukraine, but it's also not

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Speaker 3: This is not a situation where Ukrainian forces are in

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Speaker 3: any kind of collapse like you're looking at. It took

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Speaker 3: Russia three years to get back to where they were

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Speaker 3: three years ago, so this is I mean, this continues

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Speaker 3: to be a grinding and hideous conflict, but it does

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Speaker 3: not look like one at which the end is in

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Speaker 3: any way in sight. Still, even with the kind of

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Speaker 3: pulling of support from the US of Ukraine, with a

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Speaker 3: reduction in arm shipments and whatnot from the United States

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Speaker 3: to Ukraine, there's not any signs of like a generalized collapse.

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Speaker 3: And in fact, over the last couple of years there's

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Speaker 3: been a fairly minimal increase in occupied territory. Right now,

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Speaker 3: the pace of Russia's advance in Ukraine, per a recent

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Speaker 3: AP article, has slowed by eighteen percent just over the

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Speaker 3: month of August. So Russian forces took about four hundred

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Speaker 3: and sixty kilometers of territory in August and had been

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Speaker 3: seizing more like five six hundred square kilometers of territory

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Speaker 3: a month in the couple of months prior to that,

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Speaker 3: So that's kind of what you're looking at in terms

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Speaker 3: of the overall pace of the conflict. One of the

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Speaker 3: major changes that we've seen over the last like really

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Speaker 3: specifically like a couple of quarters in the conflict is

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Speaker 3: Ukraine has been increasing their capacity to hit Russian strategic

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Speaker 3: targets behind the line, like well behind the line, we're

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Speaker 3: talking fuel and we're talking power infrastructure, which has been

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Speaker 3: extremely successful. One of the things that's allowed Ukraine to

662
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Speaker 3: hit these further back targets has been they've they've started

663
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Speaker 3: producing an indigenous style of cruise missile code named the Flamingo,

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Speaker 3: which has an eleven hundred almost twelve hundred kilogram warhead

665
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Speaker 3: and a three thousand kilometer range, which puts it about

666
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Speaker 3: one thousand kilometers past kind of the maximum range the

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Speaker 3: one way attack drones like these one way suicide UAVs,

668
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Speaker 3: which had been Ukraine's like furthest in way to strike

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Speaker 3: Russian territory, those only reached in about two thousand kilometers,

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Speaker 3: So this puts a significant amount of like Russia's infrastructure,

671
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Speaker 3: within Ukraine's ability to target they're currently producing. I think

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Speaker 3: that they're hoping to get up to by the end

673
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Speaker 3: of the year, seven missiles a day by October. Now,

674
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Speaker 3: these new cruise missiles are fairly easy to shoot down

675
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 3: with like modern air defenses, but modern air defenses are

676
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Speaker 3: in short supply, so it's a matter of if you're

677
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Speaker 3: able to produce an increasing number of these and you're

678
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Speaker 3: fleeing as many of them as you can out every day,

679
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Speaker 3: the Russians will have to make choices in terms of

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Speaker 3: what infrastructure are we actually going to devote anti missile

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Speaker 3: assets towards, and you know that's always going to be

682
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Speaker 3: less than the total number of targets there are to hit,

683
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Speaker 3: and the in terms of evidence that these strikes have

684
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Speaker 3: been successful, there has been increasing limitations on personal fuel

685
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Speaker 3: use inside the Russian Federation and increasing power outages, like

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Speaker 3: all of that has gotten more common over even just

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Speaker 3: like the last several months in particular, So kind of overall,

688
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Speaker 3: what we see if we're looking at this conflict is

689
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Speaker 3: a grinding, high casualty endeavor where the Russians are slowly

690
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Speaker 3: pushing back Ukrainian lines at the cost of a pretty

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Speaker 3: nightmarish number of casualties. Right, Like, this is still a

692
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Speaker 3: meat grinder conflict, and that dimension on the ground for

693
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Speaker 3: the Russians hasn't changed. The main thing that has changed

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Speaker 3: is Ukraine has gotten better at striking behind the line,

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Speaker 3: which has been met by a significant acceleration in Russian strikes,

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Speaker 3: particularly even on like civilian assets in Ukraine. Like, there

697
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 3: have been more missile campaigns, more drone bombardment campaigns on

698
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 3: the capitol and civilian targets than previously. Like some of

699
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Speaker 3: the largest raids just took place three or four days ago.

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Speaker 3: You know, that's kind of a broad update as to

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Speaker 3: what's going on. It continues to be a very ugly war.

702
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Speaker 3: One of the main things that we've learned about what

703
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 3: modern warfare is going to look like is that it

704
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 3: is almost impossible for infantry forces without air supremacy to

705
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 3: break and make large advances and then hold that territory

706
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Speaker 3: if they do not have air supremacy. When you're looking

707
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 3: at two peer combatants, that's almost impossible to do. And

708
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 3: so a significant amount of the fighting devolves into who

709
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 3: can fling drones and missiles behind the lines and hit

710
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 3: different sort of strategic assets with more efficacy, And that's

711
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Speaker 3: what the war has bogged down to at this stage.

712
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Speaker 2: Speaking of aerial strikes, do we want to at least

713
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Speaker 2: reference attack on the Venezuelan alleged drug smuggling vessel that

714
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Speaker 2: was announced during Trump's death press conference.

715
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Speaker 3: Yeah, we blew up a boat. We did a boat

716
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Speaker 3: in international water that was claimed to be a trend

717
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 3: to Agua, which is a Venezuelan kind of analogous to

718
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 3: a cartel organized criminal organization.

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Speaker 2: One of the biggest boogeyman's of the second Trump term.

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Speaker 3: Yes, they're primary, like Latin American boogeyman, and yeah, we

721
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Speaker 3: blew them up. The administration is claiming it was, you know,

722
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Speaker 3: filled with fentanyl or whatever. I don't believe there's as

723
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 3: of yet any independent evidence that this boat was in

724
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Speaker 3: any way affiliated with Trindagua or carrying drugs or headed

725
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 3: to the United States. We simply don't know a lot

726
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 3: of times, like just the way that trinda Ogwa works,

727
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Speaker 3: This is not like the Sinaloa cartel. This is not

728
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 3: a cartel that has a massive degree of international capacity

729
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 3: that extends to the United States. Like there's even significant

730
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Speaker 3: debate as to how much they are extended into other

731
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Speaker 3: parts of Latin America, they've had like really limited success

732
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Speaker 3: expanding into Colombia because different insurgent groups like the FARC

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Speaker 3: and the e L have provided a significant counter veiling

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Speaker 3: force to them. And I wanted to note because one

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Speaker 3: of my sources is an article on Trindagua by America's

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Speaker 3: Quarterly and in talking about their kind of troubled expansion

737
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Speaker 3: into Colombia, this article notes tellingly even in these spaces,

738
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Speaker 3: TDA operative subcontract smaller local gangs and authorize them to

739
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Speaker 3: use their name to generate fear in compliance with their victims.

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Speaker 3: And this is a really common thing with Trindaugua where

741
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Speaker 3: when you're seeing, oh this is you know, TDA affiliated

742
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 3: or whatnot, these guys may have no actual communication or

743
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Speaker 3: very much to do at all with the centralized group.

744
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Speaker 3: They're just kind of using the name for branding purposes

745
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 3: because it, you know, scares off other gangs because it

746
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 3: allows them to like act as if they're connected to

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Speaker 3: this larger organization, but they really are not in a

748
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Speaker 3: very meaningful way. In the same way a lot of

749
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Speaker 3: you'll see a lot of articles that'll be talking about

750
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Speaker 3: like these are trinda Agua tattoos, Like none of them

751
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 3: are actual like tattoos affiliated with the group. This is

752
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 3: like largely non sense because Trindagwa doesn't have a tattoo tradition.

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Speaker 3: Per the people who are actually experts on Trindagha. There's

754
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Speaker 3: a lot of good articles, particularly in Insight Crime, Jeremy

755
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 3: McDermott being one of the authors that have tried to

756
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 3: bust a lot of these myths about TDA. We'll be

757
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 3: doing more coverage on them in the future. But like, yeah,

758
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Speaker 3: that's kind of the situation.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of international shipments.

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Speaker 6: Oh boy, sorry, locking jazz Brocky jazz bot.

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Speaker 3: Sorry locking jazz b Locky jazz bob Ah. That's good stuff,

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Speaker 3: Jesus Christ.

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Speaker 5: Okay, So nobody being murdered in cold blood to post

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Speaker 5: a video on x dot com the everything app in

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Speaker 5: this one, but.

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Speaker 2: Probably there it's its own fair share of harm.

767
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Speaker 5: Yeah. So, at the end of last week, the official

768
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Speaker 5: like end of the Deminimus exemption for packages under eight

769
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Speaker 5: hundred dollars finally fully went into effect. We're going to

770
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Speaker 5: talk about this one next week when it's more clear

771
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Speaker 5: what the large scale ramifications of this are. We have

772
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Speaker 5: been talking about this for a very very long time.

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Speaker 5: The other really big news this week, and this is

774
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Speaker 5: I think most of what's been going on here has

775
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 5: been the US Circuit Court of Appeals for the Federal

776
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 5: Circuit ruled that most of the tariffs that are in

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Speaker 5: effect are illegal. Now. The court also basically put in

778
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:32,800
Speaker 5: a thing saying that this ruling doesn't go into effect

779
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Speaker 5: until October fourteenth, so that Trump can have time to appeal.

780
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Speaker 5: This is a Supreme Court. He's already appealing to the

781
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Speaker 5: Supreme Court trying to he wants a quote expedited ruling

782
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Speaker 5: from the Supreme Court. He started ranting about how if

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Speaker 5: the tariffs go back into effect are not allowed to

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Speaker 5: be in effect, the US will quote turn into a

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Speaker 5: third world country or may turn into a third world country.

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Speaker 2: No, yeah, so not a third world country. Ah God,

787
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Speaker 2: The American Centery of Humiliation continues to chug on.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. So okay, It actually is worth talking about this

789
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 5: case a little bit because it goes to the core

790
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Speaker 5: of what's been happening with these terrorists, which is that yeah, yeah, yeah, okay.

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Speaker 5: So in the Constitution, if you read it, it says

792
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Speaker 5: that the power of taxes and tariffs lied with Congress.

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Speaker 5: It really explicitly says this I'm gonna read a thing

794
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,720
Speaker 5: from the ruling. This is a quote from the ruling. Quote,

795
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Speaker 5: the Constitution grants Congress the power to quote lay and

796
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Speaker 5: collect taxes, duties, imposts, and excises, and to quote regulate

797
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:46,240
Speaker 5: commerce with foreign nations. This is the constitutioned Article one,

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Speaker 5: Action eight. And I'm going to stop here to note

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Speaker 5: that everything that's in the Bill of Rights was not

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Speaker 5: in the original draft of the Constitution that got tacked

801
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Speaker 5: on later. So like freedom of speech, and like freedom

802
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 5: of assembly, and like freedom of religion were considered less

803
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Speaker 5: important by the people writing this than Congress are the

804
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Speaker 5: only people who could do taxes. I'm going to keep

805
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Speaker 5: reading from this ruling. Tariffs are a tax, and the

806
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Speaker 5: framers of the Constitution expressly contemplated the exclusive granting of

807
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Speaker 5: taxing power to the legislative branch. When Patrick Henry expressed

808
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Speaker 5: concern that the president quote may easily become king debates

809
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Speaker 5: in several state conventions Jonathan Elliott eighteen thirty six, James

810
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 5: Manison replied this would not occur because quote, the purse

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Speaker 5: is in the hand of the representatives of the people.

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Speaker 2: So I cannot believe that we have a president doing

813
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Speaker 2: a t tax for forign terrorists. I know, I know

814
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Speaker 2: where's Boston when you need it?

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Speaker 3: Robert, do the voice? No, I'm not, I'm not your

816
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Speaker 3: fucking monk.

817
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Speaker 2: This this is the only way to have to stop

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Speaker 2: Robert from doing the voice is to try to get

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Speaker 2: him into the place because of oppositional defiance.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's what that's what rules.

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Speaker 5: Okay, speaking of what rules us, so Trump has been

822
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:07,839
Speaker 5: using the International Emergency Economic Powers Act and he like

823
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 5: declared a state of emergency over like drug trafficking in

824
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:15,359
Speaker 5: order to do this. This is nonsense, gibberish. And this

825
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Speaker 5: is actually where I think this is a very very

826
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Speaker 5: significant part of this case here, which is like, Okay,

827
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Speaker 5: what power does Trump actually have? Like can he continue

828
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Speaker 5: to just sort of rule the United States?

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Speaker 2: Many people are asking questions, and I'm.

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Speaker 5: Going to read this this this line from CNN, which

831
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Speaker 5: is quoting the court draft quote. Notably, when drafting the

832
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Speaker 5: International Emergency Economic Powers Act, Congress did not use the

833
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Speaker 5: term tariff or any of its synonyms like duty or tax.

834
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Speaker 5: The Court said in its majority ruling. The absence of

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Speaker 5: any such teriff language in the Act contrasts with statutes

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Speaker 5: where Congress has affirmatively granted such powers and including clear

837
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Speaker 5: limit on that power. So this law do not say

838
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Speaker 5: that he could do this. He has simply been doing

839
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Speaker 5: this the whole time with using a law that it

840
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Speaker 5: literally explicitly does not say the word tariff in it.

841
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Speaker 5: So the court is extremely unhappy about this.

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Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen, we got them.

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Speaker 5: It really is. I think this is genuinely just on

844
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Speaker 5: a basic constitutional level, this is one of the most

845
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Speaker 5: staggering ones of these I've ever in terms of just

846
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Speaker 5: like does the Constitution still exist? The answer is eh, Like,

847
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Speaker 5: this is article one of the Constitution. It's article one.

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Speaker 5: This is the first shit they wrote. This was like

849
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:43,919
Speaker 5: literally the whole point of the American Revolution was that

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Speaker 5: the king can't levy taxes. It has to be the

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Speaker 5: parliamentary representatives of the people. That's like the whole thing.

852
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 5: It was that the slogan was no exactination without representation. Yes, yeah,

853
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 5: and like and like, obviously that's the stated goal of it.

854
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 5: You could obviously go and see her, right, there's like

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Speaker 5: a million other things. You can go into your territorial

856
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 5: expansion and go into your slavery blah blah blah blah.

857
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 5: But like this is what it was supposed to be about,

858
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,359
Speaker 5: and has just claimed this power from himself, And we're

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Speaker 5: gonna get a real test in the Supreme Court. So

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Speaker 5: the Screme Court goes back from their recess in like

861
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Speaker 5: a month, so we're gonna probably get a real test

862
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 5: on how far the Supreme Court is willing to let

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00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 5: Trump just straight up rule by executive fiat. But in

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Speaker 5: the meantime, all these terrorist are still in effect. And yeah,

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Speaker 5: this has been tariff talk. We have talked about the tariffs.

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Speaker 3: Excellent.

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Speaker 2: Well, I believe that does it for us. You're at

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Speaker 2: it could happen here.

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Speaker 3: All right, everybody, until next time. You know, just if

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Speaker 3: anyone tells you the precedent is dead, assume they're telling

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Speaker 3: the truth and go live your life.

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Speaker 2: We reported the news.

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Speaker 3: We reported the news.

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