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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Anny and Samantha.

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Speaker 2: I'm often stuff I've Never told you Protection iHeartRadio, and

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Speaker 2: welcome back to another classic Today, we're bringing back a

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Speaker 2: fictional Women around the World that we did on Marlene

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Speaker 1: Last of Us. I mentioned it in this episode.

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Speaker 2: In the second game, she is in it in flashbacks.

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Speaker 1: We don't know if that's gonna happen yet. We'll see, but.

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Speaker 2: I'm very, very interested. That was kind of in a

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Speaker 2: strange place right now because there's only so many characters

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Speaker 2: we can talk about without spoiling what comes further.

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Speaker 1: Down the road. And so I have a couple that

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Speaker 1: I'm like dying to talk about, but we have to wait.

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Speaker 1: We have to wait, but we can bring this one back.

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Speaker 2: Yes, So please enjoy this classic episode. Hey, this is

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Speaker 2: Annie and Samantha and welcome to Stefan Never told you

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Speaker 2: a protection of iHeartRadio, and welcome to another sub sub

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Speaker 2: segment of fictional Women around the World. We are continuing

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Speaker 2: with our Last of Us content. This will have spoilers

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Speaker 2: for the most recent final finale episode of the HBO

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Speaker 2: show The Last of Us, which, yes it's not a sponsor,

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Speaker 2: but just a heads up on that there will be spoilers,

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Speaker 2: some brief mention of the second game.

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Speaker 1: But not much. No spoilers, no spoilers.

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Speaker 2: I would also suggest listening to Our Riley episode for

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Speaker 2: more on the interaction between Riley and Marlene. And Marlene

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Speaker 2: is who we're talking about? I realized I didn't say, yes,

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Speaker 2: we were talking about Marl, So let's get right into it.

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Speaker 2: Marlene is played by Merle Dandridge in both the twenty

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Speaker 2: thirteen game, the twenty twenty sequel game, and the HBO show.

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Speaker 2: She was the only one who is a voice actor

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Speaker 2: and motion capture of her character in the game and

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Speaker 2: very very cool. You can see her get emotional about

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Speaker 2: it in the behind the show bit after the most

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Speaker 2: recent episode, and also a little bit in the kind

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Speaker 2: of making up the Last of Us. The character is

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Speaker 2: also featured in the comic American Dreams. As discussed in

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Speaker 2: Our Riley episode. She is the leader of the Boston

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Speaker 2: Quarantine Zone Fireflies are QS Fireflies. She was a good

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Speaker 2: friend of Ellie's mother Anna. She was Ellie's protector from

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Speaker 2: Afar and the final quote antagonist I saw her described

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Speaker 2: Differences between her background and the game and the show,

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Speaker 2: game slash comic. Marlene is, yes, the leader of the

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Speaker 2: Fireflies in Boston, and the Fireflies are this organization or

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Speaker 2: some call them a terrorist group, depending on who you ask,

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Speaker 2: in the world of the last of us that are

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Speaker 2: fighting against what they view as this totalitarian, fascist rule

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Speaker 2: and control of this government organization called FEDRA. In some

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Speaker 2: places across the country, the Fireflies have succeeded in taking

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Speaker 2: over the CZI, but they are being cracked down on

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Speaker 2: and killed in most places. Boston in particular, has suffered

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Speaker 2: on top of leading this organization, yes, she watches over

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Speaker 2: Ellie because of this promise that she made to Ellie's mom, Anna,

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Speaker 2: who had been her friend since before the outbreak, since

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Speaker 2: they've known each other, like what did they say, We've

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Speaker 2: known each other forever essentially. At one point, Marlene was

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Speaker 2: ever desperate. During the events of American Dreams, Marlene saved

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Speaker 2: and somehow Ellie doesn't turn and this is when Marlene

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Speaker 1: You don't know what it is at this point.

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Speaker 2: from the Fireflies, and that's where we see some big

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Speaker 2: her patrol reports spotting a man and a little girl

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Speaker 2: is informed that while they can reverse engineer vaccine from

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Speaker 2: and she records two messages to Ellie's mother apologizing and

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Speaker 2: way of saying, we got up kill the kid, and

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Speaker 2: Some even tried to persuade her to kill Joel, or

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Speaker 3: Relas, I need to go back where did just was

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Speaker 3: this in the game where she's recording these messages that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well you find them. You find them.

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Speaker 2: Throughout like the it's the way you pick up you

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Speaker 3: Wow, I definitely blame that doing that.

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Speaker 1: So you're like listening to it like you don't attack

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Speaker 2: So they're trying to convince her to kill Joel, but

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Speaker 2: thanks Joel for transporting Ellie into him about the vaccine

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Speaker 2: but she tells him that this is bigger than either

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Speaker 2: she lowers her gun, but Joel shoots her. Marlen survives

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they do feel like if I hadn't watched you

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Speaker 1: Mm hmm, nosters.

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Speaker 2: So Joel lies to Ellie about Marlene's death, about the fireflies,

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Speaker 2: end of Marlene. Just because of flashbacks, I wanted to

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Speaker 2: include some quotes from Dangridge to close this up about

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Speaker 1: That's not a direct quote. I don't know why I

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Speaker 2: So Danger said, well, I would say there might be

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Speaker 2: explicitly offer that information to Ellie because she didn't want

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Speaker 2: which gives Ellie even more conflict and not having had

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Speaker 2: the agency that Joel has taken away from her. Ultimately

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Speaker 2: black and white, Yes, they are both taking this choice

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