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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast am on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with you.

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Speaker 2: Where you got a great couple hours here with Lady

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Speaker 2: Dolphin as we talk about dreams. She founded the Dream

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Speaker 2: Interpretation Center back in nineteen ninety seven and has been

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Speaker 2: teaching dream analysis to counseling students at Concordia University in

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Speaker 2: Montreal since two thousand and five. Her interest in dream

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Speaker 2: stems from her early experience in Freudian analysis, where dream

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Speaker 2: work was the primary tool. She later studied at the

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Speaker 2: Gestalt Consuling and Training Center in Montreal, the Elderian Principles

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Speaker 2: of dream analysis at the Alfred Elder Institute, and has

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Speaker 2: been a member of the International Association for the Study

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Speaker 2: of Dreams since nineteen ninety seven. Dolphin's goal is to

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Speaker 2: introduce you to the value of understanding your dreams with

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Speaker 2: a view towards long term change. And as I mentioned,

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Speaker 2: she's got a couple books out have a great Dream

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Speaker 2: Book one and Book two. Laney, welcome back. Have you

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Speaker 2: been George Murray?

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Speaker 3: Happy?

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Speaker 2: Thanksgiving you too, Thank you for joining us, my pleasure.

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Speaker 2: How were things in Canada.

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Speaker 3: Cold. I didn't want to say that, but that's what happened.

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Speaker 2: Has it started to snow yet.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it has started to snow a little bit. And

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Speaker 3: it's got that certain bite, that familiar bite in the

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Speaker 3: air that says, go to Florida.

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Speaker 2: Well, there's nothing wrong with a little white Christmas though, right, Lenny.

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Speaker 3: That's true. You can't argue about that.

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Speaker 2: How did you get involved in dream interpretation.

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Speaker 3: I had a crisis when I was twenty one, which

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Speaker 3: is exactly fifty years ago because I'm seventy one.

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Speaker 2: Now, good for you.

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Speaker 3: And during that crisis I went into Freudian psychoanalysis with

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Speaker 3: a brilliant New York psychoanalyst. And in my early twenties

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Speaker 3: I wasn't so well able to articulate my feelings. But

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Speaker 3: I'm a dreamer. I've always had dreams that I remember,

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Speaker 3: and I used to go to the sessions with a shrink,

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Speaker 3: always arriving with a dream. And so it was it

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Speaker 3: was that I experienced Freud before I studied him, and

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Speaker 3: he was brilliant when it came to dream analysis, no

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Speaker 3: question about that. So that started me on the road,

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Speaker 3: and as you mentioned earlier, I went on to study

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Speaker 3: gestalt Adler Jung, and I'm a member of that very

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Speaker 3: eclectic organization called the International Association for the Study of Dreams.

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Speaker 3: And so there's people that are looking at dreams from

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Speaker 3: many different angles, and there are many different angles going

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Speaker 3: on in our dreams. But just to set this stage properly,

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Speaker 3: I am much more an expert in the language of

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Speaker 3: metaphor than I am a dream analyst, because the unconscious

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Speaker 3: is speaking that language, the language of metaphor, and every

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Speaker 3: single dream is an interior conversation. It's a problem solving

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Speaker 3: conversation that takes place every night between your conscious and

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Speaker 3: your unconscious mind. And the amazing news is that whatever

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Speaker 3: it is that's bugging you, the solution appears in the

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Speaker 3: dream before you get it consciously. So if only you

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Speaker 3: could understand what the heck you were trying to say

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Speaker 3: to yourself when you had that crazy dream, you would

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Speaker 3: be able to propel your problem solving. And that's the

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Speaker 3: reason why I developed my method, and that is basically

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Speaker 3: what I've been doing for the last fifty years is

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Speaker 3: teaching my method.

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Speaker 2: Now, when you say your method, what does that mean?

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Speaker 3: There are six basic points of entry that I use

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Speaker 3: when I hear a person's dream, and I want to

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Speaker 3: just say, there's not one of the points of entry

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Speaker 3: dream and choose something that you are attracted to out

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Speaker 3: of the following six points of entry, the feelings like

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Speaker 3: how did you feel in the dream? And then you

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Speaker 3: want to do that dance where you come outside the

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Speaker 3: dream and see what is happening in your waking life

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Speaker 3: that's making you feel in a similar way to the

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Speaker 3: way you felt in the dream. And the next one

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Speaker 3: is the action. How is the dreamer moving in the dream?

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Speaker 3: Is the dreamer observing or are they participating in the action?

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Speaker 3: And if they are, what are they doing and does

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Speaker 3: and things. And the reason why you can never look

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Speaker 3: from the moment we are born, every single memory and

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Speaker 3: there in your incredibly sophisticated unconscious mind. I call it

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Speaker 3: And the database opens up when you want to say

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Speaker 3: to yourself. And then there is the repetition, because we

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Speaker 3: ourselves inside the same dream. We'll say the same thing

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Speaker 3: to ourselves several times, so because your unconscious wants you

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Speaker 3: to get it, So if you don't get it on

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Speaker 3: repeat in some other way in the same dream. And

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Speaker 3: same as we do in our waking life. And finally,

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Speaker 3: in school. What is the story behind the story? So,

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Speaker 3: for example, I'll go right into the plot. I know

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Speaker 3: a woman who was dreaming about a spider and her

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Speaker 3: daughter killed the spider, and she was so thankful that

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Speaker 3: minutes later she looked and saw actually that spider wasn't dead,

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Speaker 3: was dead, it come alive again. And that dream was

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Speaker 3: reflecting a situation that she had with her husband that

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Speaker 3: she thought was dead and gone. She thought the issue

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Speaker 3: because actually her husband wasn't not he wasn't finished with

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Speaker 3: It was something that she thought was dead and gone

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Speaker 2: Lenny, you mentioned that the dreams come between subconscious and

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Speaker 2: the conscious mind. But does that come within the brain

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Speaker 3: Oh, it's inside the brain. But I am not a technician.

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Speaker 3: I'm a dream analyst, and that is what I do.

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Speaker 3: I teach people how to uncover what's the situation that

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Speaker 3: you were discussing with yourself when you had that dream,

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Speaker 3: and the way that I find that out, because this

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Speaker 3: What I do doesn't work like that because it's a

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Speaker 3: those six points of entry to formulate questions to ask you,

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Speaker 3: bugging them is because every dream, at the first level,

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Speaker 3: without going deep at the first level, every dream is

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Speaker 3: triggered by something that either happened to you yesterday or

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Speaker 3: Once you tell me what's the subject you were talking

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Speaker 3: look back in the dream and I have eight different

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Speaker 3: ways that I can teach you what a solution looks

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Speaker 3: like when it comes in the form of a metaphor.

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Speaker 2: Now, these six points of entry, lady, that you just

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Speaker 3: Seem to be apparent in every single dream that I've

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Speaker 3: it's it shocks me and pleases me just as much

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Speaker 3: but then each friend would say, oh, but what about this?

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Speaker 3: be all is what I call a how to dream.

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Speaker 3: How to know when you've said enough and that you

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Speaker 3: have to go relax. You know. That's the lesson for

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Speaker 3: I'm so sorry, but I'm just plain exhausted. So I'm

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Speaker 2: Yeah, why don't we remember our dreams all the time?

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Speaker 3: Well, there's a memory trace that is not working at

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Speaker 3: most important or relevant reason is that if our dream

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Speaker 3: doesn't make sense to us, we have a tendency to

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Speaker 3: interested because it's all about intention. That's the biggest factor

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Speaker 3: of remembering versus not remembering. Is your intention. If you decide,

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Speaker 3: especially after this discussion tonight, if you decide that you

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Speaker 3: and it might take a day or two, and you

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Speaker 3: don't need a big, long story with a beginning, a middle,

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Speaker 3: and an end. I analyze one picture dreams all the

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Speaker 3: time in my column at Oprah called DreamCatcher, or my

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Speaker 3: column at Psychology Today called Understanding Dreams. In these magazine articles,

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Speaker 3: I love using a one picture dream because it's really

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Speaker 3: shocking how much information. As you saw with a spider dream,

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Speaker 3: that's like a one picture dream, and that dreamer was

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Speaker 3: able to get enough information to go and reapproach her

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Speaker 3: Well. A lucid dream is when you become aware of

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Speaker 3: who's like the master of lucid dreaming. Even Stephen Labert

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Speaker 3: and he like me also, I agree that that woman

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Speaker 3: who understood the spider dream, or the woman who understood

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Speaker 3: the dream where she's pulling a tooth out and all

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Speaker 3: the chiefs come out. Once you know what your dream

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Speaker 3: is about and you understand the problem, you are lucid.

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Speaker 3: So you can be lucid in the day and know

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Speaker 3: what's going on in your life, like how about feelings?

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Speaker 3: Point of entry? And this a dream I call this dream.

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Speaker 3: It's another how to dream? How to be alone? And

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Speaker 3: this woman who's getting on in her years, and how

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Speaker 3: can I even say that, being seventy one. But the

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Speaker 3: point is she was wanting spending a lot of time

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Speaker 3: with friends and so busyness. She was busy, but really

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Speaker 3: inside she would rather be painting. She wants to paint,

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Speaker 3: she wants to read, she wants to exercise, she wants

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Speaker 3: to be doing things that have to do with being alone.

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Speaker 3: So what does she dream? She dreams that she's in

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Speaker 3: New York City, the busiest place that she could think of,

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Speaker 3: and so that's an expression of herself being so busy

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Speaker 3: that her car gets lost. And so first she can't

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Speaker 3: then she gets lost. So she's not only lost her car,

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Speaker 3: but she gets lost. And her getting lost was actually

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Speaker 3: turned out to be the solution in the dream, because

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Speaker 3: when you're lost, you're alone and alone. So she was

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Speaker 3: giving herself what I call a rehearsal. By getting lost

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Speaker 3: in the dream, the dreamer gives herself the experience of

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Speaker 3: being alone. And I'm very big on expressions, and I

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Speaker 3: love the expression take that feeling and run with it,

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Speaker 3: and I use it also when somebody tells me a

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Speaker 3: horny dream, you want to take the feeling and run

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Speaker 3: with it because you're unconscious is calling you to whatever

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Speaker 3: it is. In case, she wanted to be alone, so

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Speaker 3: her clever unconscious got her lost in the dream.

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