1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,600 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the Best of the Herd podcast. 2 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:05,080 Speaker 1: Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox 3 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:08,319 Speaker 1: Sports Radio in noon to three Eastern nine am to 4 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 1: noon Pacific. 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I've done gottlieb in for Colin Cowherd, 14 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:42,839 Speaker 4: and for the next couple of hours, I want to 15 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:51,199 Speaker 4: talk sports with you from Powway to Escodito to oh 16 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 4: Time Mesa. Welcome in, Good to be back on in 17 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 4: La on AM five seventy the home Peeps and all 18 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:03,279 Speaker 4: throughout the country on the Heart family of networks as 19 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:09,479 Speaker 4: well as the iHeartRadio Welcome Bookman. So in the I 20 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:12,760 Speaker 4: was today years old that I learned right, You learn 21 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 4: lots of things. It's weird as you get older. Right now, 22 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 4: I coach college kids. I'm a head coach of Wisconsin 23 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:25,320 Speaker 4: Green Bay and it again I have a really good 24 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 4: group of young men that want to learn, want to 25 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 4: get better at basketball. We try and teach them about 26 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 4: life a little bit. And you know, college is just 27 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 4: in a weird sort of phase where so many schools 28 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 4: because of COVID went online, and then you factor in chat, 29 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:48,639 Speaker 4: GPT and everything else. How much are kids actually learning? 30 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 4: But the biggest difference between a kid in an adult, 31 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 4: I think there's two or three things. Right, Like, you 32 00:01:57,240 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 4: know you're an adult when you'd ever turned down a nap. 33 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 4: It never turned down a nap. I mean, ask tuy 34 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 4: and and even Ryan who doesn't have kids. If you 35 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 4: go like, hey, man, two o'clock, what if I if 36 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 4: I give you like an hour to shut off your 37 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 4: phone and take a nap, there isn't an adult life 38 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 4: that'll be like, yeah, down for that. A kid, you say, hey, 39 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:23,920 Speaker 4: take a nap. You know, after you get to like 40 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:29,639 Speaker 4: two years old, you're done with naps. Adults, well, adults, 41 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:35,359 Speaker 4: they will order vegetables or order salads or actually ask 42 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 4: for them for dinner. Most kids like what why you 43 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 4: have to make them eat vegetables, make them eat legomes, 44 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:49,679 Speaker 4: make them eat eat fruits. Right, that's the difference. In adults, 45 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 4: And the other thing about adults as opposed to kids 46 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 4: is I don't know if you're like this when you 47 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 4: do the whole You know, you help your kid with 48 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 4: their homework, But man, you get to a certain age 49 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 4: and you're like, man, I kind of like learning. Maybe 50 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 4: it was how we were taught, maybe it was the teachers, 51 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 4: maybe it was our desire to do other things. But 52 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 4: I remember being in school and I just could not 53 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 4: wait for every day to be over, as opposed to now, Damn, 54 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 4: I love learning things. I just do. Sunday I learned 55 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 4: that a handball in soccer was not just simply the 56 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 4: ball touching a non goalkeeper's hand. I literally, Monday, I 57 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 4: walked in and I was like, man, I didn't know 58 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 4: that the ball could graze your hand, and if it 59 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 4: was in the natural motion of whatever you were doing 60 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 4: as as an athlete in soccer, it didn't mean it 61 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 4: was a handball. I don't know did anybody know that. 62 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 4: I mean, I'm sure like soccer guys like, yeah, you're dope. Hey, 63 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 4: I played soccer growing up. I don't remember any of 64 00:03:56,080 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 4: that stuff. I just remember the tunnel, I remember caprice on, 65 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 4: I remember scoring goals I you know, I don't remember 66 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 4: any of that. So I love learning, and I'll tell 67 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 4: you something I learned today. Okay, there was a playwright 68 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 4: in the sixteen and seventeen hundreds, mostly seventeen hundreds. His 69 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 4: name was William Congreeve. You're like, why are you telling 70 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 4: me about a playwright, because he's the one who authored 71 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 4: up the phrase, hell hath no fury like a woman scorn, 72 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 4: hell hath no fury like a woman's scorn. Have you 73 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 4: ever heard that? If you haven't heard that, when I 74 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 4: bet he also said you must not kiss and tell, 75 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 4: so kiss and tell, and hell hath no worries, hell 76 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 4: hath no wrath like a scorned woman. That's that we 77 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 4: changed the words, that changed the order of it, right 78 00:04:55,160 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 4: we hell hath no furry like a woman's scorn. That 79 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:07,720 Speaker 4: was William Congreve, who is a famous playwright in the 80 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:12,159 Speaker 4: sixteen and seventeen hundreds. I was born in sixteen seventy 81 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 4: died in seventeen twenty nine, And like, why are you 82 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 4: starting out with that? Saying, well, I'll tell you. I 83 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 4: also learned that apparently there's not a true standalone version 84 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:27,040 Speaker 4: of it, but a video game within a video game 85 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:29,600 Speaker 4: for EA Sports. So EA Sports has two K? Or 86 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 4: is it EA Sports has two K? You're familiar with 87 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 4: two K, okay, so apparently there's also a WNBA version 88 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 4: of two K. And I get it right, Like what 89 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:48,840 Speaker 4: is two K? If you take away all the dunks 90 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 4: and the made layups and three points and the high 91 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 4: percentage of made three point shots, and you have WNBA. 92 00:05:54,960 --> 00:06:00,719 Speaker 4: But there is no denying the WNBA's sudden rise in popularity. 93 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 4: And for those of us who are honest with ourselves, 94 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 4: it's because of Kaitlyn Clark. And you know, we can 95 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:11,480 Speaker 4: get into the reasons why I love the people that 96 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 4: fall on the race aspect of it. When then you 97 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 4: point out, like, hey, Sabrina in Escu and Kelsey Plumb 98 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:23,599 Speaker 4: were great women's college basketball players who came to the league, 99 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:27,039 Speaker 4: had have been great WNBA players, and they have not 100 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 4: received any amount of the acclaim of a Caitlin Clark. 101 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 4: There's a bunch of different factors, mostly likely the logo threes, 102 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 4: the hey we love Steph Curry And here's the closest 103 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:44,239 Speaker 4: version of it, who happened to play the same school 104 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 4: for four years, happen to take her to a team 105 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:50,040 Speaker 4: to two straight final fours happened, looks like everybody else's 106 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 4: little sister, right, all of those things she kind of nails. 107 00:06:56,000 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 4: But upon my quest to learn something every day, I 108 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:07,840 Speaker 4: found out that there's an NBA two K version focusing 109 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 4: on the WNBA. But here's the kicker. The cover choice 110 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 4: was Angel Rees was Angel Rees. And it just continues 111 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 4: this pattern of the WNBA doing everything in their power 112 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 4: to I don't know if it's diminished Caitlin Clark or 113 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 4: to promote everybody other than Kaitlin Clark, but whatever it is, 114 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 4: we try and search for reasons, and I keep falling 115 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 4: back on hell hath no wrath, like a woman scorned 116 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 4: William Cornelius in the late sixteen hundreds, and like, wait 117 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 4: a second, why are they scored? Caitlin Clark said nothing 118 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 4: negative towards any of these women. She doesn't have to. 119 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 4: The only logical conclusion as to why so many of 120 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 4: these women have done everything in their power to marginalize 121 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 4: he rise to fame and what it's done for the 122 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 4: entire sport of women's basketball is that you have women 123 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 4: that feel like they've been scorned by media, by mainstream 124 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 4: fans for their entire lives and it it comes out 125 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 4: as anger and resentment towards Caitlin Clark. Does that make sense. 126 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 4: There's something called the Have you ever heard the anger Iceberg? 127 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 4: If you go through therapy, people tell you it's you 128 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 4: learn the anger Iceberg That people are angry and they 129 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 4: get snappy with one of the other in like relationships, 130 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:51,199 Speaker 4: and it's not about that one thing. It's about all 131 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 4: this other thing, all the insecurities, all the mistrust, all 132 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 4: the times of other relationships that have gone bad, et cetera, 133 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 4: et cetera, et cetera, And it comes out as snapiness 134 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 4: towards one another. And any relationship you have, even in business, 135 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 4: you pocket resentment towards somebody else getting in promotion, somebody 136 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 4: else getting shine, You not feeling like you're heard in 137 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 4: a meeting, you having a bad interaction with somebody at 138 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 4: a Christmas party or whatever. For these women, okay, remember 139 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:31,439 Speaker 4: I see it as most of us see it. I'm 140 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:34,559 Speaker 4: Doug Gottliebin for Collin. This is the herd twenty five 141 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 4: years of the WNBA. I'm not as negative about their 142 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 4: overall talent and skill as others are. It's a different sport. 143 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 4: Our expectations are different we don't have the one hundred 144 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 4: years of history in the NBA, and we just don't 145 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 4: if you take away the NBA with the dunks and 146 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 4: the proficiency from three point line, you know, And the 147 00:09:57,080 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 4: other part about NBA players is they look like superheroes, 148 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 4: whereas many of those women though for women, crazy athletic, 149 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:10,680 Speaker 4: crazy talented, they're just is no comparison. When you watch 150 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 4: one game to other, it's like watching one in slow 151 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 4: motion and one that plays below the rim, and below 152 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 4: the rim causes more mislay ups, and it's again just 153 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 4: a different, much less athletic game. And for twenty five years, 154 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:28,200 Speaker 4: we didn't pay attention to it in sports media and 155 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:30,559 Speaker 4: I've been a part of sports media for twenty five years. 156 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 4: We didn't pay attention to it because nobody did the 157 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 4: science to this is not that hard to figure out, Gollen. 158 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:47,680 Speaker 4: This is me doing the Colin thing. Cullen, You only 159 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 4: want to talk about Tom Brady and Pat Mahomes and 160 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 4: Aaron Rodgers and Lebron James. Yeah, because we're no different 161 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 4: than top forty radio man play the hits. Our job 162 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 4: is to talk about what most people care about, and 163 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:05,559 Speaker 4: we have twenty five years of data that tells you 164 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 4: most people don't care about the WNBA. And the only 165 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 4: reason we're talking about it now is because Caitlin Clark 166 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 4: has brought attention and people are in fact talking about 167 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 4: the WNBA now. So now we're going to be attractive 168 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 4: talking more about it. But when you're raised as a 169 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 4: women's basketball player, you're raised to believe everybody's out to 170 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:39,079 Speaker 4: get you. Everybody's out to get you. Look, I don't 171 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 4: know if you recall, but if you go back to 172 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 4: the COVID year NCAA tournament, they had women who were 173 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:52,680 Speaker 4: in San Antonio and they had a little makeshift weight 174 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 4: room and it was like, you know, two dumbells and 175 00:11:57,240 --> 00:11:59,840 Speaker 4: you know, and a balance ball. And then they showed 176 00:11:59,880 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 4: them men's weight room in Indianapolis and it looked like 177 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:08,959 Speaker 4: a we're a weight room. And what happens is, you know, 178 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 4: the the NCAA like apologize for it. It acts like 179 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 4: this was this was discrediting all of women's basketball. When 180 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:20,320 Speaker 4: reality is one, it comes down to the planning committee, 181 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 4: that's what they have to do. Two, the men's teams, 182 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 4: I believe all of them were there for like a month, 183 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 4: so they had to prep for it, and they had 184 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 4: the Big ten tournament there, so they had all this 185 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:34,199 Speaker 4: had all been kind of planned out, whereas for San 186 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 4: Antonio it was just a one stop shop and they 187 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 4: threw it together. And anybody who's ever traveled knows that, like, 188 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 4: it doesn't matter the hotel chain. You can be a 189 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 4: Hyatt guy, right or a Bonvoy guy, and and some 190 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:50,199 Speaker 4: hotels have a rinking, dank weight room and some hotels don't. 191 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 4: It doesn't have anything to do with anything other than 192 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 4: that particular hotel, that particular general manager and what they 193 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:58,200 Speaker 4: think they want to focus their resources on. But the 194 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 4: point is that that case is no different than anything else. 195 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 4: Why do women have home sites during the NCAA tournament 196 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 4: instead of the regional sites that the men have, Well, again, 197 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 4: anyone who's realistic in business knows that the reason they 198 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 4: went back to home sites is that's their only ability 199 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 4: to draw people and to sell tickets. They've played in 200 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:25,440 Speaker 4: the big arenas. It hasn't worked, by and large. Trust me, 201 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 4: if the NCAAFL like they can make more money doing it, 202 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 4: they would do it because it's the only way in 203 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 4: which they make money is the men's and women's NCAA 204 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 4: basketball tournaments. But Again, how you and I view it 205 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 4: from a business perspective, which is very much in the 206 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 4: neutral kind of corner, is hey, they're doing it because 207 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:47,560 Speaker 4: it makes the most sense financially. How women view it is, oh, 208 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 4: we're a secondary tournament. We have to play in home sites. Right, 209 00:13:55,720 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 4: So it doesn't matter necessarily what the reality of women's 210 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:03,680 Speaker 4: basketball was over the last twenty five years, right, that 211 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 4: you started from nothing and built it into something that 212 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:09,320 Speaker 4: was fairly sustainable. Again, those of us who lived it 213 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:11,840 Speaker 4: in real time, as I have, like my media career, 214 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 4: has mirrored essentially the length of the WNBA. You went 215 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 4: from being completely subsidized by the NBA playing in these 216 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 4: gargantuan arenas to hey, let's dial this back, play in 217 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:28,359 Speaker 4: smaller venues, be smarter, Okay, save more money, fly commercial 218 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 4: space out the games, et cetera, et cetera. But how 219 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 4: it's received is we've been treated like crap for years, 220 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 4: and now you're trying to push this star who she 221 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 4: might be another Jeremy Lynn linsanity, and we're not buying it. 222 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 4: So when I saw that quote today, I just and 223 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 4: then I saw that the two K version of NBA 224 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 4: two K had angel Rees, not Caitlin Clark on the cover, right, 225 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 4: Because again whether or not you're buying or I'm buying 226 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 4: a WNBA two K game doesn't matter. Right, everything would 227 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 4: be boosted up if you put Caitlin Clark on. It 228 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 4: probably cost you know, the gaming company more to put 229 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 4: her on the cover. But the WNBA forcing us to 230 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 4: take on Angel Reese as some sort of rival to 231 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 4: Caitlin Clark, forcing it, forcing it, forcing it makes it 232 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 4: feel icky, whereas it's super easy here. Just put Caitlin 233 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 4: Clark on everything. It'll sell more. It'll be the rising 234 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 4: tide that lifts all ships. But from the Olympic team 235 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 4: last year, to the players only voting where they voted 236 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 4: her the ninth best guard, to put an Angel Rees 237 00:15:57,520 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 4: on NBA two K, to all the bitterness and pushback 238 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 4: and the treatment of Caitlyn Clark where they're clearly trying 239 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 4: to punk her and bully her and her teammates, and 240 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 4: to making and look bad. All of that stuff leads 241 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 4: most of us to go, why would you do that? 242 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 4: Why wouldn't you embrace the fact that people are paying 243 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 4: attention to your sport, covering it like it's one of 244 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 4: the big three sports? Probably got more coverage in the 245 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 4: NHL Stanley Cup playoffs, and the only logical conclusion I 246 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 4: can come to is hell hath no wrath like as 247 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 4: a woman scored. All the years of being made to 248 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 4: feel like you're a secondary or tertiary product, and probably 249 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 4: even tertiary's not as strong as they were leads women 250 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 4: to push back against anything seen as mainstream media and fans. 251 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 4: Oh now you like us, but only for her? Well, 252 00:16:55,960 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 4: put to you two. Give me your thoughts Twitter, Instagram 253 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 4: at Gottlieb Show. In the meantime, Okay, we do have 254 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 4: some NBA news chet Holmegrin, reups for the Max, reups 255 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 4: for the Max. What does that mean for the Thunder 256 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 4: and their ability to maintain the best record in the 257 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:28,359 Speaker 4: regular season and a postseason championship. Let's discuss it next. 258 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 4: I'm Doug Gottlieb. This is the Hurd. 259 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:33,399 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays 260 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 2: and noon eastern nin am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio 261 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:39,440 Speaker 2: FS one and the iHeartRadio app. 262 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 3: Hey what's up, everybody? 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Hutchman, Zada, and 272 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 3: Plexico Birds on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever 273 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:19,879 Speaker 3: you get your podcast. 274 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:28,400 Speaker 4: From Doug Otliebit for Collinis, the Hurt Fox Sports Radio 275 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 4: iHeartRadio app. Welcome in huh So the big news in 276 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:41,960 Speaker 4: the NBA today as we get ready for real NBA 277 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 4: Summer League, which is Las Vegas. Yes again, and I'm 278 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:49,199 Speaker 4: it may sound disrespectful for the I forget where the 279 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 4: California Golden State games are. Is the one everyone hyper 280 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 4: focuses on is in Las Vegas. Uh And we'll we'll 281 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 4: get to that up in the show. Because the Lakers 282 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 4: played yesterday. The Lakers are the signature nightcap in the 283 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 4: Summer League, opening night against the Dallas Mavericks, and of 284 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:12,120 Speaker 4: course the Dallas Mavericks have the number one overall pick 285 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 4: and the Lakers have Brownie James and it's a it's 286 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:20,439 Speaker 4: it'll be something. But let's let's dig in with Anthony Slater, 287 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:23,200 Speaker 4: of course covers the league for the Athletic He joins 288 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 4: us now in the herd, Anthony, let me let me 289 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 4: ask you about Chet holmbern So announce today that Chet 290 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:33,879 Speaker 4: Holmgren agrees to terms on a max contract on a 291 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:38,120 Speaker 4: max contract to remain in Oklahoma City. And he's really 292 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 4: only played like a season and a half. If you're 293 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:45,680 Speaker 4: an Oklahoma City fan or you're hopeful of a dynasty there, 294 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:48,199 Speaker 4: does what does this do for you? 295 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:51,719 Speaker 5: I mean, I think it's just checked the box that 296 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 5: you knew was coming. And the other, the one that's 297 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 5: coming soon is gonna be Jamn Williams, who has the 298 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 5: same agent, Bill Duffy, which I'm sure you know helps 299 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 5: and leverage the negotiat. But you know, Jaylen Williams is 300 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:04,720 Speaker 5: gonna get his max, and his max if he's makes 301 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 5: all NBA again, would actually be even higher than Chess. 302 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 5: And you know we're talking about rookie max is. I 303 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:13,479 Speaker 5: know sometimes we just everybody just says max. They're different, 304 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 5: you know, percentages of the cap and this is you know, 305 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:18,679 Speaker 5: the fresher one. But you know, you're you're getting the 306 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 5: next six years of Chet Holmers early prime into his prime. 307 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 5: Sure he's not your you know, prototype number two certainly 308 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:28,199 Speaker 5: as a score, I think he's got higher upside there. Uh, 309 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:31,480 Speaker 5: but I mean he's a rim protecting three point shooter 310 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:34,679 Speaker 5: at seven feet tall. To me, like, you know, that 311 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 5: is a very valuable piece for a team that wants 312 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 5: to win with defense first. Uh, and you saw it 313 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 5: in the play you know we can? We can kind 314 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 5: of at times. I certainly did you know their first 315 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 5: playoff run together when they lost in the second round, 316 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:49,680 Speaker 5: and though they're the one seed, I kind of wondered 317 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:52,359 Speaker 5: if Jaylen Williams and Chet Hoolmer could be a legitimate 318 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:54,639 Speaker 5: number two, number three on a title team. Well that 319 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:56,359 Speaker 5: question kind of was answered a month ago. 320 00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:59,880 Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean, I think the question for for Chet 321 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 4: is twofold one. Can he stay healthy? 322 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 5: Yeah? 323 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:04,639 Speaker 4: Right, that's the big thing. Can you stay healthy? And 324 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:07,200 Speaker 4: then at some point Kenny regained confidence in his shooting. 325 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:11,679 Speaker 5: Yeah? Fair, I mean, yeah, it's a it's a it's 326 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 5: a good question. But I think even the version of 327 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 5: Chet you saw really impacts winning. You know, it's he's 328 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:21,120 Speaker 5: going to protect the rim at a high level. There 329 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 5: was times even in those finals. You know, I can 330 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 5: remember in a couple of the losses, certainly you know, 331 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:28,919 Speaker 5: his his shooting, you know, I think he went too 332 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:31,160 Speaker 5: and nine in the game one loss and was really 333 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 5: hard on himself. And I remember late in one of 334 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 5: the games in Indiana, Miles Turner kind of you know, 335 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:38,359 Speaker 5: wiped away a couple of his shots, and those flaws 336 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:40,680 Speaker 5: seem to you know, percolate a little bit. But also 337 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:43,119 Speaker 5: I can remember him, like, you know, walling off the 338 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 5: rim in important stretches of those finals. But yes, if 339 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,199 Speaker 5: he like he has the next level to get to, 340 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 5: that I think I would agree with you that his 341 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 5: health will determine because he spent all last summer really 342 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:57,679 Speaker 5: kind of like grinding and getting his offense, I think 343 00:21:57,760 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 5: to a higher level. I think I went to their 344 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 5: O the night game in Denver and he like outplayed Jokis. 345 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 5: I think he had like twenty five fourteen and five blocks. 346 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 5: And then about two weeks later, I'm at a game 347 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,639 Speaker 5: in Oklahoma City and Andrew Wiggins just plows through him 348 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 5: and he breaks his hip and then he's bedridden for 349 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 5: six weeks, he's out for you know, fifty games whatever 350 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 5: he ended up missing last season. I think that really 351 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 5: stunted his offensive growth. But yeah, I would agree that 352 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:24,360 Speaker 5: long term for him to like probably be worth that contract. 353 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:26,200 Speaker 5: When we're in the middle years and you know, you're 354 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 5: talking fifty million or whatever it's going to be, you'd 355 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 5: want him, you know, eighteen nineteen per game, maybe like 356 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 5: a thirty eight percent at least three point shooter and 357 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:37,439 Speaker 5: more of a supplementary score. Because the other part of 358 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 5: this is they're about to get really expensive and some 359 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:42,399 Speaker 5: of that depth that's been around them is going to 360 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:43,680 Speaker 5: kind of melt away. 361 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:48,200 Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, it will. But to kind of you mentioned 362 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 4: Jaylem Williams, what do you make of the fact he 363 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:55,919 Speaker 4: just shared that he received about thirty injections during the 364 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:58,639 Speaker 4: playoffs just to be able to get that that that 365 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 4: right wrist functional to play through the NBA finals. 366 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:05,639 Speaker 5: To me, it's a I mean, it's impressive, right, and 367 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:07,680 Speaker 5: then it didn't come out, and you know, he still 368 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 5: played well. He had a foty point game in the finals. Like, 369 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 5: I don't think his shooting was to his standard the 370 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 5: whole playoffs, but he had a really good playoffs and 371 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:17,760 Speaker 5: generally and you know, knowing what he went through with 372 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 5: the ritch, that that makes it more impressive to me. 373 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:21,919 Speaker 5: But I also think it's more of another example of 374 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:24,399 Speaker 5: like a lot of times we don't know what most 375 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 5: of these guys are going through physically. I'd say, you know, 376 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:29,920 Speaker 5: eighty percent of the league by you know, middle of 377 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 5: the playoffs has sometime a bumper bruise that sounded like 378 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 5: a more extreme version of one, right, the torn wrist. 379 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:38,640 Speaker 5: But you know, like the Warriors, for example, had two 380 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 5: like Moses Moody had to get risk surgery after the year, 381 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:45,359 Speaker 5: Pajemski had to get you know, oblique surgery and you know, 382 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 5: something for his thumb, like you know, and that's that's 383 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 5: that's common across the league. It feels like two players 384 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 5: per team have to get some type of like postseason surgery. 385 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 6: Right. 386 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,959 Speaker 5: They announced Anthony Davis yesterday had to get like retina surgery. 387 00:23:56,920 --> 00:24:01,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, detach, like who knew a play like? Yeah? Now, 388 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 4: the only guy that lets us know is Lebron who 389 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 4: came in with that risk leave one time after losing 390 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 4: in the finals. 391 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 5: Right. 392 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 4: Oh, by the way, I'm hurt, I'm hurt. The whole. 393 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:18,479 Speaker 4: Speaking of Lebron, Okay, how does the league and all 394 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 4: of your sources feel about Rich Paul's statement, Hey, Lebron 395 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:31,399 Speaker 4: wants to win championships When you just picked up your 396 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:34,880 Speaker 4: own option to remain with l A and you essentially 397 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 4: said we can't win a championship in LA, no matter 398 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 4: how they might backtrack in the future, how does the 399 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 4: league felt about what Rich Paul said? 400 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 5: It definitely like perked some ears up, you know, because 401 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:53,639 Speaker 5: that's typically you know, kind of the more subtle, passive 402 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 5: aggressive statements is often what has been hinted by you know, 403 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:03,160 Speaker 5: Rich and Lebron of the years, you know, But there's 404 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 5: it's it's really I mean, you're seeing it now. It's 405 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:10,160 Speaker 5: really difficult to like move big contracts in the current 406 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 5: NBA and find you know, teams that can you know, 407 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 5: absorb that type of deal under all these like weird 408 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 5: new Apron rules and all that. So I think it 409 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:21,479 Speaker 5: makes you and it's definitely when you talk to us 410 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,240 Speaker 5: in the league, there's there's more of questioning of if 411 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 5: he will finish his career with the Lakers. But unless 412 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:29,920 Speaker 5: he really kind of tries to agitate his way out 413 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,679 Speaker 5: of town to a suitor that I'm not sure, you know, 414 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:34,880 Speaker 5: we can come up with it with one right now 415 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:36,720 Speaker 5: that like can kind of fit them in and and 416 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 5: has the motivation. Then I think he's just gonna be 417 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:40,920 Speaker 5: down on the Lakers next year and they're gonna be 418 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:42,840 Speaker 5: pretty good. I mean, I would probably agree that I 419 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 5: wouldn't consider them, you know, an Inner Circle top five 420 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,360 Speaker 5: type title contender, but they were the three seed last year. 421 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 5: You know, maybe the eight fit works. Maybe Luca's in shape, 422 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,639 Speaker 5: Like I could see them being somewhat of a you know, 423 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,399 Speaker 5: fringe threat next year. So he's probably gonna have to 424 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 5: kind of at least somewhat happily. He tried to play that. 425 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:06,120 Speaker 4: Out, one would think, but it's it's just odd, right, 426 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 4: like if you wanted to to me. One part it 427 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:11,560 Speaker 4: says is he doesn't think they don't think he's a 428 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 4: top fifteen player anymore. Because if we all think that 429 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:18,400 Speaker 4: Luca is and then people think Lebron is, well, that's 430 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 4: you're starting from a pretty good spot, you know. 431 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like, you know, maybe edging towards All Star. 432 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 5: I don't know what you think about the Hayten fit, 433 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 5: but it's it's at least more theoretical capabilities at the 434 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 5: center spot. 435 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:33,200 Speaker 4: Here here's what I think of the eight and fit. Okay, 436 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 4: this would be the just kind of the basketball element 437 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 4: to it. I don't know personality wise what works and 438 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:42,200 Speaker 4: what doesn't work. I don't profess to know. The reason 439 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,679 Speaker 4: that Lakers can't win is because if those are your 440 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 4: three best players, they're all minuses at the defensive end. Right. 441 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:52,920 Speaker 4: Lebron at this age doesn't move anymore. Reeves has never 442 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 4: been a particularly a defender, though he does fight, and 443 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,119 Speaker 4: Luca is a non defender, and maybe he gets in 444 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:00,199 Speaker 4: shape and fights a little bit more, you know. And 445 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,960 Speaker 4: in the NBA you can maybe hide one guy, but 446 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:06,199 Speaker 4: outside of that, can't hide two. And then you know 447 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 4: they wanted rim protection like Deandraden is not a rim protector. 448 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 4: He's also not a lob threat, right, He's a roller 449 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 4: to score, to catch and finish, you know. So does 450 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,359 Speaker 4: it fit with Luca because he's a pick and roll option, 451 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 4: I guess. But a guy who's never played well in 452 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:25,680 Speaker 4: the playoffs isn't a rim protector and wants the ball 453 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:29,880 Speaker 4: on rolls is an offensive minded score like Again, I 454 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:33,360 Speaker 4: understand that you're asking something of Polinka, Like, it's not 455 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 4: like he had a blank slake and can pick anybody. 456 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 4: I just don't know how all that group works together 457 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 4: to be anything special in the playoffs. 458 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,959 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean Lucas you know, has worked best in 459 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:46,960 Speaker 5: the past with like the Derek livelys of the world 460 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:49,720 Speaker 5: of Daniel Gaffers, and I would agree. I mean, Aighton's 461 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 5: free throw rate is like ridiculously low for a guy 462 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:55,960 Speaker 5: you know, at his size. I will say, like he 463 00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 5: was a starting center and a productive center on a 464 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 5: finals team not that long ago. I mean, obviously that 465 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 5: was kind of Chris Paul operating in the pick and 466 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:08,720 Speaker 5: roll where he doesn't necessarily as much need the lab threat. 467 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:10,400 Speaker 5: But you know, he liked it. And I bet if 468 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:11,920 Speaker 5: you know, you go look at the numbers, like ate 469 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:13,879 Speaker 5: and finished a lot more lobs than Phoenix than he 470 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:17,399 Speaker 5: did in Portland. Now, you know, to your point, I 471 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,199 Speaker 5: think you generally throw it to him and he wants to, like, 472 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,639 Speaker 5: you know, get the eight footer and do the touch stuff. 473 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 5: And he's not super physical. But as you mentioned, they 474 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:28,440 Speaker 5: didn't have you know, they thirty nine year old Al 475 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,679 Speaker 5: Horford wouldn't have been a lob threat. You know, some 476 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:32,800 Speaker 5: of the other options out there on the free agent market. 477 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 5: So I think part of what's going on right now 478 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,280 Speaker 5: is the Lakers are taking a somewhat patient approach. They're not, 479 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 5: you know, using all their assets for a Mark Williams. 480 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,120 Speaker 5: It seems like they've pulled back from that a little bit. 481 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 5: And that's what I think, you know, going back to 482 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 5: your original question, I think that's what you're feeling with 483 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 5: the Lebron statement, that he's feeling a level of organizational 484 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 5: philosophical shift to a patient, longer term Luka Doncic related approach, 485 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 5: because Lucas twenty six and he's sitting there like, I 486 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 5: don't really have a long term approach, and he's using 487 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 5: whatever tool he believes he has to maybe try to, 488 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,720 Speaker 5: you know, leverage a little pressure of like, hey, you know, 489 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 5: let's try to win next season, because next season might 490 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:11,760 Speaker 5: be the final season for him to win. 491 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,719 Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't. I agree with you. I don't think 492 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,960 Speaker 4: next he'll it's not gonna be his final season unless 493 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:20,160 Speaker 4: he gets a farewell tour. 494 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 5: Maybe in LA. 495 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 4: Again, I agree with you, maybe in LA, but I don't. 496 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 4: I don't think he's gonna do the final season thing 497 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 4: without a farewell tour. I just I just. 498 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 5: Don't announce preseason Kobe style. Yeah, celebrated in every arena. Yes, 499 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:36,720 Speaker 5: you're right, You're probably right. 500 00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:40,440 Speaker 4: And and look, I understand to people who don't like Lebron, 501 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 4: they be like, dude, kay, and he's a little bit much, 502 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:49,120 Speaker 4: but he's also the all time leading scorer in NBA history, 503 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 4: who's won four titles and four MVPs and is in 504 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 4: any discussion of Mount Rushmore right, Right, So it's like, yeah, 505 00:29:57,640 --> 00:29:59,360 Speaker 4: I mean, if there's ever a guy who kind of 506 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 4: deserves it, like yeah, that's that's not that adult step. 507 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 5: One of the people that might kind of scoff a 508 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 5: little bit of Lebron would love Kobe, right, And you 509 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,560 Speaker 5: remember it, like what was that a twenty win Laker 510 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 5: team that he was just going around to every arena. 511 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,160 Speaker 5: They would do a pregame celebration, They would present him 512 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,760 Speaker 5: with presents and do tribute videos for him, and then 513 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,680 Speaker 5: the home team would beat the Lakers by twenty five points. 514 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yes, and and and Kobe and and and 515 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 4: the other part was like, look, I know Kobe god rest, 516 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 4: his soul is is now He's been thrust up to 517 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,600 Speaker 4: the Mount Rushmore. But there's a lot of things in 518 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 4: his career he wasn't beloved for. There was there was 519 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,480 Speaker 4: a lot of nonsense early in his career, and by 520 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,200 Speaker 4: the end, you know, Kobe was a different guy, and 521 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 4: he evolved into somebody who was worthy of all of that, 522 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,160 Speaker 4: all of all of the praise, not just for the play, 523 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:50,240 Speaker 4: but also he become kind of this philosopher and been 524 00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:52,240 Speaker 4: really thoughtful and showing his true love for the sport. 525 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,880 Speaker 4: But like, let's not let's not kid ourselves, Like there 526 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:57,760 Speaker 4: was a lot there with Kobe with I want to 527 00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 4: be traded, the break up with Shaq and all the 528 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 4: other so it was like he's he knows sat right. 529 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 4: So it's just interesting on how we look back with 530 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:11,600 Speaker 4: colored glasses because of Kobe's passing, but also because Lebron 531 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 4: is so different from Kobe and playing essentially for Kobe's franchise. 532 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,880 Speaker 4: Really if that's probably what's hurting him the most has 533 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:23,280 Speaker 4: been the franchise hopping. Speaking of franchise hopping, what about Giannis? 534 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:25,560 Speaker 4: Does he want to stay in Milwaukee or does he 535 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:26,520 Speaker 4: want to play somewhere else? 536 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:31,080 Speaker 5: Seems like at this temporary moment he has been you know, 537 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,680 Speaker 5: a message to the Bucks and certainly to the league 538 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 5: that his feet are where they are in Milwaukee. I'm 539 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,440 Speaker 5: not sure there's any type of guarantee how long that's 540 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:42,160 Speaker 5: going to be. But if you're the Bucks and you 541 00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:46,640 Speaker 5: make the type of very win now move and mortgage 542 00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,480 Speaker 5: the future type move that was the Damian Lillard wave 543 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 5: and stretch to fit Miles Turner in like that, you're 544 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 5: doing that under the understanding it would seem that Giannis 545 00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:00,000 Speaker 5: is at least in on the start of next season 546 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,000 Speaker 5: and you're trying to maximize next season because if suddenly, 547 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,560 Speaker 5: you know, Jannie in August September ask out prior to 548 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,160 Speaker 5: this season, like what a disaster move that you know, 549 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,160 Speaker 5: Lillard thing would look like because you got twenty two 550 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:15,280 Speaker 5: million on the books for the next five years dead Caps, 551 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:19,280 Speaker 5: so you know, for now it seems be honest will 552 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,320 Speaker 5: be in Milwaukee, you know, But that does seem like 553 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:26,160 Speaker 5: it's a you know, temporary thing that that could become 554 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,280 Speaker 5: more permanent depending on how they look and how they 555 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:29,840 Speaker 5: play and how their future looks. 556 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,640 Speaker 4: Tomorrow night in Vegas, Cooper Flag and the Dallas Mavericks 557 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 4: take on Brownie James. Brownie struggled last night, but very 558 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:40,560 Speaker 4: few people pay attention to the Cali Games. You've been 559 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:42,000 Speaker 4: around this thing for a while, right, you have the 560 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:46,160 Speaker 4: Zion hype, the Wembley hype. Right, there's there's Wemby was 561 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,040 Speaker 4: was pretty big. Where does this one rank in terms 562 00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:52,720 Speaker 4: of the Vegas Thomas and Mack Summer League for Opening 563 00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:53,280 Speaker 4: night hype? 564 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,160 Speaker 5: Well, I heard it's like the most expensive ticket ever. 565 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,760 Speaker 5: There was a twenty five hundred court side or something 566 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,800 Speaker 5: like that. It's it's not even just like obviously, you know, 567 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,120 Speaker 5: Cooper Flag's a big name and Broni is, but just 568 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:08,120 Speaker 5: the event itself has just exploded there. You know, you'll 569 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:12,680 Speaker 5: go to you know Day three, you know, Pelicans Knicks 570 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,360 Speaker 5: with maybe one lottery pick on the floor and it's 571 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,680 Speaker 5: like pretty pretty packed. So it's just I think it's 572 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:22,320 Speaker 5: just become such an impressive event for the league in general. 573 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:24,920 Speaker 5: And typically you do on that that first second night 574 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,640 Speaker 5: get you know, the first overall pick, oftentimes going against 575 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:29,920 Speaker 5: the second overall pick. I think just because of the 576 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:33,640 Speaker 5: the Lakers territory, which is you know, Vegas in a sense, 577 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,760 Speaker 5: in Bronnie's name, they matched up Cooper Flag and Bronni, 578 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:40,000 Speaker 5: so it'll be it'll be cool, but at the same time, 579 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:43,040 Speaker 5: like I remember Wemby walking into the arena and the 580 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 5: buzz of it. I remember the Zion game for the 581 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:48,840 Speaker 5: earthquake and in Vegas and then the that was the 582 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,320 Speaker 5: night Paul George and Kawhi Leonard like that bomb got 583 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 5: dropped on the league and that they were going to 584 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:56,440 Speaker 5: the Clippers together. But I actually don't really remember much 585 00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:58,480 Speaker 5: from Zion's game or Wemby's actual game. 586 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,720 Speaker 4: Andrew enjoyed the game. Let's talk again soon, can't can't 587 00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,160 Speaker 4: wait to read your work on Summer League and all 588 00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:10,400 Speaker 4: all this other stuff going on. Andrews later pick up 589 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:12,600 Speaker 4: his stuff, read this stuff in the Athletic. He's outstanding. 590 00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:15,319 Speaker 4: Thanks for joining us in the Herd. Thank Anthony said, 591 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:16,239 Speaker 4: I'm sorry, Anthony. 592 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:17,040 Speaker 5: I'm I'm here. 593 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:21,919 Speaker 4: I'm one arm paper hanging it. Thanks so much, Anthony. 594 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,440 Speaker 2: Yep one more heard. The Herd streams twenty four hours 595 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,200 Speaker 2: a day, seven days a week within the iHeartRadio app. 596 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:31,040 Speaker 2: Search Herd to listen live or on demand whenever you like. 597 00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,360 Speaker 4: What up. Welcome in. This is the Herd, wherever you 598 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:38,000 Speaker 4: may be or however you may be making this part 599 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:39,560 Speaker 4: of your day. Thanks so much. I'm Doug got leave 600 00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:43,320 Speaker 4: in for Colin Cowhard callings back thanks Monday, after a 601 00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,520 Speaker 4: good old fashioned week off, Keith Law's going to join 602 00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:51,040 Speaker 4: us Senior Major League Baseball Senior MLB senior writer for 603 00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:54,440 Speaker 4: The Athletic. We'll get his thoughts on what's wrong with 604 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:59,240 Speaker 4: the Dodgers and how about this MISERROWSI pretty pretty amazing stuff, 605 00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,359 Speaker 4: and what about the guy leading the Bigs in home 606 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:08,600 Speaker 4: runs plays in Seattle dead Ballpark, a dead ball ballpark 607 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,080 Speaker 4: of all places. Plus we got Major League Baseball's Draft 608 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:12,960 Speaker 4: up coming this weekend as well, A lot to get 609 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:17,920 Speaker 4: to with Keith Law. I want to start with this. 610 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:23,360 Speaker 4: So there's a new season of The Quarterback on Netflix 611 00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:28,920 Speaker 4: and a guy who I do think that America sort 612 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:32,560 Speaker 4: of fell in love with watching this series going back 613 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:37,360 Speaker 4: two years ago, was Kirk Cousins. And we talked to 614 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,360 Speaker 4: start the show. If you're just joining us, Doug goleli'ben 615 00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:47,200 Speaker 4: for Colin. We talked about how WNBA players, I think 616 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:50,560 Speaker 4: the best term would be felt disenfranchised by mainstream fans 617 00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:52,920 Speaker 4: and media for so long. Now they're like taking it 618 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:56,000 Speaker 4: out on Caitlin Clark. I think Kirk Cousins is a 619 00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,480 Speaker 4: guy that's had a lot of AMMO. Picked in the 620 00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:01,600 Speaker 4: fourth round from a team that drafted a first round 621 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,680 Speaker 4: starting quarterback who was Rookie of the Year that year 622 00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:07,719 Speaker 4: in RG three, and then when it became his franchise, 623 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,640 Speaker 4: felt like they didn't like him. There heck, the president 624 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:14,960 Speaker 4: of the team in an interview kept calling him Kirk Cousin. 625 00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:19,719 Speaker 4: When his name is Kirk Cousins. I'd like, again, you're 626 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,200 Speaker 4: showing somebody disrespect if he don't even know their name 627 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:26,719 Speaker 4: right repeatedly, Yes, I know, I know I screwed up 628 00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:28,959 Speaker 4: last out, but my point is when it's and again, 629 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,239 Speaker 4: it was like Bruce Allen was like, eight times, I 630 00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:33,920 Speaker 4: want to talk about Kirk Cousins. Kirk Cousins. Kirk Couins, Like, 631 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:38,240 Speaker 4: name's Kirk, and I work for you and I'm starting quarterback. 632 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:45,680 Speaker 4: So Kirk has spent time exacting his own personal revenge 633 00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,200 Speaker 4: for people who didn't think he was good enough. Got 634 00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:52,480 Speaker 4: the fully guaranteed contract, got the extension of Minnesota, won 635 00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,279 Speaker 4: a road playoff game in New Orleans, proved on some 636 00:36:55,480 --> 00:37:02,040 Speaker 4: level that he's better than advertised in primetime games, and 637 00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:05,120 Speaker 4: then departs at the end of last season. Now full 638 00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:07,879 Speaker 4: disclosure end of last season, he had torn his achilles tendon. 639 00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,880 Speaker 4: He was on his way to an unbelievable year in 640 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:15,640 Speaker 4: the neighborhood of six thousand yards passing that season. But 641 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:20,560 Speaker 4: Kirk Cousins struggled from about the midpoint this year and 642 00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:24,040 Speaker 4: ultimately got pulled for Michael Pennix, who was the top 643 00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:27,680 Speaker 4: ten pick of the Falcons. Too many people's surprise, like 644 00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:30,399 Speaker 4: you're going to sign Kirk Cousins then draft a first 645 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:35,360 Speaker 4: round pick quarterback. That seems weird. So in that season 646 00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:39,000 Speaker 4: of the quarterback with the new season the quarterback. Here's 647 00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,839 Speaker 4: what Cousins had to say about it, if he could 648 00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:42,600 Speaker 4: do it all over again. 649 00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:47,080 Speaker 6: Wasn't expecting us to take a quarterback so high at 650 00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:49,279 Speaker 6: the time. It felt like I had been a little 651 00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,680 Speaker 6: bit misled, or certainly if I had the information around freegency, 652 00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:54,759 Speaker 6: it certainly would have affected my decision. I had no 653 00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:58,520 Speaker 6: reason to leave Minnesota with how much we loved it 654 00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:02,480 Speaker 6: there if both are going to be drafting a quarterback high. 655 00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:04,680 Speaker 6: But I've also learned in twelve years in this league 656 00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:06,280 Speaker 6: that you're not entitled anything. 657 00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:07,400 Speaker 2: It's all about. 658 00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:09,600 Speaker 6: Being able to earn your spot and prove yourself. 659 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, so he like backtracks, is like, hey, you know 660 00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:16,359 Speaker 4: you're in your spot. You prove yourself whatever. But had 661 00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:24,480 Speaker 4: I known, look this this one's this one seems pretty obvious. 662 00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:29,240 Speaker 4: I get that he likes it, but the buyer's remorse 663 00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:35,160 Speaker 4: that Cousins has like keep in mind that again, Cousins 664 00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:38,120 Speaker 4: has won in the business of sports. He's the guy 665 00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:40,920 Speaker 4: who's done no extra years. Just give me the years, 666 00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,239 Speaker 4: give me the money, make it all guaranteed. He and 667 00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:47,719 Speaker 4: that work for him of Minnesota. But Minnesota was moving on, 668 00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:54,759 Speaker 4: Make no mistake about it. They were moving on. They 669 00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:58,200 Speaker 4: had allocated their resources towards their wide receiver and other pieces, 670 00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,080 Speaker 4: and they had made the decision, Hey, we're gonna go 671 00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,719 Speaker 4: get a first round pick. And then they signed Sam 672 00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:08,520 Speaker 4: Darnold as a as a placeholder or just in case. 673 00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:12,040 Speaker 4: And remember he had worked in that offensive system when 674 00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:16,319 Speaker 4: he was in San Francisco the two years previously. Like 675 00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:18,719 Speaker 4: this is one of those things that it sounds really 676 00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,000 Speaker 4: good in documentaries, like man, if I knew they were 677 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,080 Speaker 4: taking a first run pick and Minnesota's taking a first 678 00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:25,000 Speaker 4: run pick, and I love Minnesota, I would have stayed 679 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,440 Speaker 4: in Minnesota's Like what are you talking about Kirk. They 680 00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:33,960 Speaker 4: weren't gonna pay you at Minnesota what Atlanta pays you. 681 00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:40,359 Speaker 4: You know, they just weren't. You know, It's like, yeah, 682 00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:46,720 Speaker 4: I totally would have stayed there, would you really? Again, 683 00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:56,319 Speaker 4: that's cow, that's fertilizer, That's what that is. Remember, he 684 00:39:56,560 --> 00:40:00,920 Speaker 4: essentially signed a two year deals four years, one eighty okay, 685 00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:09,000 Speaker 4: ninety million guaranteed at at signing. Minnesota wasn't giving you that, Like, 686 00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:13,239 Speaker 4: what are you even talking about? Yeah, hey, had I 687 00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:15,000 Speaker 4: known that they were gonna do that? Like I didn't. 688 00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:16,960 Speaker 4: I didn't know they were gonna do that. And again, 689 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:20,240 Speaker 4: does it look great for Atlanta to draft a quarterback? Actually, 690 00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:26,319 Speaker 4: now it really does because Kirk Cousins, who apparently got 691 00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:30,080 Speaker 4: hit and you know, decided to play well hurt because 692 00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,640 Speaker 4: he knows that, you know, one of the one of 693 00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:36,400 Speaker 4: the biggest lies. There's lots of lies told in the NFL, 694 00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:39,000 Speaker 4: but the old you don't lose your job to injury, 695 00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:43,880 Speaker 4: Like what did true Bledsoell lose his job to injury? 696 00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:46,759 Speaker 4: Of course he did. Lots of guys have lost their 697 00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:54,080 Speaker 4: job to injury. So Kirk Cousins apparently took a hit 698 00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:56,440 Speaker 4: to his shoulder and didn't tell any you know now's 699 00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:59,839 Speaker 4: I didn't tell anybody that I was. I was hurt. Like, yeah, 700 00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:03,360 Speaker 4: you were playing, you're playing well, and then all of 701 00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:07,440 Speaker 4: a sudden your production fell off a cliff. He played 702 00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:12,400 Speaker 4: fourteen games. Let's not act like Atlanta did you wrong. 703 00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:16,880 Speaker 4: Oh man, Atlanta, they did me wrong. They gave you 704 00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:20,280 Speaker 4: fourteen games, and the last couple of which were bad. 705 00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:23,799 Speaker 4: You threw eighteen touchdowns and sixteen interceptions. Like, I can't 706 00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:27,240 Speaker 4: believe they drafted another quarterback. Why because you were coming 707 00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:31,239 Speaker 4: off of an achilles tendon tear and they gave you 708 00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:41,560 Speaker 4: ninety guaranteed so you're gonna get paid this year. They'll 709 00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:45,200 Speaker 4: probably trade you when somebody else's quarterback goes down, and 710 00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:48,240 Speaker 4: you'll get a chance because you'll get you know, nobody's 711 00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:50,760 Speaker 4: gonna pick up that option, and you'll get another contract 712 00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:55,000 Speaker 4: next year. I just don't lie to us and go like, hey, 713 00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:58,640 Speaker 4: if I knew that that Atlanta was gonna draft the quarterback, 714 00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:00,560 Speaker 4: I would have stayed in Minnesota. No, you wouldn't, because 715 00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:06,400 Speaker 4: they weren't gonna give you ninety million dollars. Stop lying, also, 716 00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,200 Speaker 4: NFL players, stop lying about we don't have guaranteed contricks. 717 00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:11,360 Speaker 4: You do, they're just not all fully guaranteed. And the 718 00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:13,239 Speaker 4: ones that are fully guaranteed aren't the amounts that you 719 00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:19,560 Speaker 4: want to read in the paper. I don't know, just 720 00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:25,280 Speaker 4: the manipulation or and and some of it is. Again, 721 00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:29,000 Speaker 4: this is how any athlete, Kirk Cousins can think that way, 722 00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,960 Speaker 4: because the whole world has done me wrong and I 723 00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:37,480 Speaker 4: proved them wrong time and again. Is how he's made it. Okay, 724 00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:45,800 Speaker 4: But again let's not kid ourselves. Okay, that he wasn't 725 00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:49,120 Speaker 4: staying in Minnesota, and he was coming off an Achilles 726 00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:51,640 Speaker 4: ten and tear. And if you think that Minnesota, where 727 00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:53,919 Speaker 4: he'd had sort of an up and down run there 728 00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:57,799 Speaker 4: ended on the up, he was playing really well in 729 00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:00,279 Speaker 4: that system. But if you think they were gonna him 730 00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,560 Speaker 4: a four year, two years of a guaranteed contract, and 731 00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:04,440 Speaker 4: oh yeah, by the way, when a guy stays, he 732 00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:06,880 Speaker 4: wants to get paid more, not less. There's no homegrown 733 00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,960 Speaker 4: discount in the NFL. I think Kirk Cousins is trying 734 00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:13,279 Speaker 4: to rewrite history and get a sympathetic year. And no 735 00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:15,840 Speaker 4: one's really sympathetic, not because we don't like him, just 736 00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:18,319 Speaker 4: because dude, you're still getting paid. You're going to get 737 00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:22,719 Speaker 4: another contract if you want to do so. Don't tell 738 00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:24,839 Speaker 4: us that Minnesota was going to keep you when they 739 00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,399 Speaker 4: didn't put that money towards quarterback at all last year. 740 00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,200 Speaker 4: Their GM comes from San Francisco. They want to operate 741 00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:34,680 Speaker 4: under the San Francisco model. As long as they can 742 00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:38,040 Speaker 4: get as many players with as cheap a quarterback as possible. 743 00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:41,120 Speaker 4: That's the San Francisco model.