1 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:08,160 Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, it's great to be back at the table today. 2 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:09,480 Speaker 2: We're at twotel little. 3 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:11,559 Speaker 1: Journo in sag Harbor, New York with one of the 4 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:16,120 Speaker 1: biggest rock stars of all time. Okay, I just spotted 5 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:19,920 Speaker 1: out the window mister bon Jovi, and when rock and 6 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:23,640 Speaker 1: roll comes into the room, it's epic. 7 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:26,119 Speaker 2: Oh my god, thank you for doing this. 8 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 3: Please. 9 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 1: He's a multi platinum selling artist. He's toured the world 10 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 1: countless times. His band is celebrating their fortieth anniversary this year. 11 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 2: Why are you hungry? We're hungry. 12 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 3: We're eating it. Okay, I don't mind eating. Yeah, I 13 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 3: think I'm gonna do the chicken milonnaise. I think I'll 14 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:45,319 Speaker 3: just do the tunit or tar. 15 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:49,240 Speaker 1: So pull up a chair, grab a bite to eat, 16 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 1: maybe even pour some Hampton water rose. Because we're having 17 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 1: lunch with John Bond Jovie. I'm Bruce Bosi and this 18 00:00:57,800 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 1: is my podcast Table for two. 19 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 3: John. 20 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 2: I have been a huge fan. 21 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:10,199 Speaker 3: We're peers. 22 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:12,399 Speaker 1: We're just a couple of years apart, like so I 23 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:14,039 Speaker 1: kind of feel John that we have sort of the 24 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 1: same time next year relationship. 25 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 3: Yeah right, that's correct. So if you don't know that 26 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 3: the movie is. 27 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 1: I get to see John Dorothya over the summers like 28 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:28,319 Speaker 1: two or three times. And you know two significant people, 29 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 1: which was Sandy Gallon the Buffets, and they both have 30 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 1: magical quality put people together. Friendship and family is a 31 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:40,399 Speaker 1: huge thing. I mean, you're a New Jersey guy, I'm 32 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 1: a New York born. We're Try State guys. I really 33 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 1: think it plays so much into who you are and 34 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 1: why you have such a huge not only presence, but 35 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 1: what you give back. 36 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 4: Talk about friendship in your life. How did that become 37 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 4: such a bad roby. I'm not in the market for 38 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 4: fifty new friends. You know, like Dorothys, that someone has 39 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 4: to die to get on. But I love that when 40 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 4: we do have friends, they're the same friends. And someone 41 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 4: like the Buffets, for example, Janie is that great conduit, right, 42 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 4: She's always interested in your story, and then she introduces 43 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 4: you to other people who you find intriguing. And Janie's 44 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 4: also no bullshit. Jimmy Buffett is no bullshit there. They 45 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:24,640 Speaker 4: don't have the patience for any of that stuff. So 46 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 4: when we first came here to the Hampton's and oh 47 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:31,399 Speaker 4: my god, eighteen years ago or so twenty years ago, 48 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 4: music brought Jimmy and I, you know, the obvious thing 49 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:35,360 Speaker 4: to talk about. 50 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:38,640 Speaker 3: But then it was Janie, who's the camp counselor, yeah. 51 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 4: And the residents shrink and the den mother and all 52 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 4: of those things, and if you needed a dentist to 53 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 4: a caterer, and Janie was. 54 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:50,359 Speaker 3: The one that knew everybody. And then you know, over 55 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 3: the years her. 56 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:53,079 Speaker 4: And Prothy have just gotten closer and closer and closer. 57 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 4: So that's a year round, all the time relationship. But 58 00:02:57,480 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 4: Janie is that den mother. 59 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, she really she kind of and she brings a 60 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 1: really nice mix of people together always. She knows the 61 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 1: art of it, you know, your wife to me every 62 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 1: time it might feel weird or you might think this 63 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 1: is weird. But when I see Dorothea and I'm in 64 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 1: the same room as her, I feel immediately safe. I 65 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 1: feel there. She iss very lovely. There's something that's so 66 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 1: warm and welcoming and truthful and real about Dorothea. And 67 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 1: when I you know, have a good fortune to be 68 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:26,360 Speaker 1: around a lot of people, but when I look in 69 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 1: her eyes, I feel like I get her. She gets 70 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 1: me there, and I think it's salt of the earth. 71 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 1: You guys are salt of the earth. Thanks, She's an 72 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 1: amazing woman. She's all right. 73 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 4: I mean, you know what, we were going last night 74 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 4: out to dinner and I sit to her in the 75 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 4: driveway when we got in the car, sat just want 76 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 4: you to know when you came down the stairs, my 77 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 4: brain said to my mouth, wow. 78 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 3: And you know, to say something like that. 79 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 4: To her, like, you know, forty two years into our relationship, 80 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 4: I say, I just like to tell you that all 81 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 4: the time, so I'll never have had a regret of, 82 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 4: oh I didn't tell her. I didn't because she The 83 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 4: highest compliment I love to pay a woman. 84 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 3: Is that she's abroad. And I mean that in the frankstin. 85 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 4: I guess a sense of you know, Shirley Maclain, that 86 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 4: Janeye Buffett kind of a woman that is smarter than 87 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 4: everyone in the room, and cooler than everyone in the room, 88 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:21,479 Speaker 4: and sexier than everyone in the room in their way. 89 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 3: And so my wife is abroad. I think that's awesome. 90 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 1: I mean, my parents are celebrating their sixtieth n worry 91 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 1: in about a week, and I feel similar to your 92 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:34,039 Speaker 1: story with Dorothya. They met in high school and they 93 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: ow this you know, journey together. And my father always said, 94 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 1: this is a journey that we were on. It was 95 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 1: never there was never even a thought that he would 96 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 1: not be with her. 97 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 3: This was whom he loved and this was you know, 98 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:47,279 Speaker 3: through this, through then, through the. 99 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:50,159 Speaker 2: Good times through bad times. Yeah, this was the woman. 100 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 1: And I think a lot of people forget that, They 101 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:55,280 Speaker 1: take that for granted to make their wife and say, hey, no, 102 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 1: not great. 103 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 3: You know, I talk about you being a rock star. 104 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 2: You know, what is your definition of a rock star? 105 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:12,719 Speaker 3: Does? Do rock stars exist today? 106 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 2: And when you were grown, when you were. 107 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 3: Thirteen or twelve, who were the rock stars? 108 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:20,039 Speaker 2: You were like, oh, yeah, that's an aspiration. 109 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 3: Or a definition. 110 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 4: It is something that is that That word is thrown 111 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:27,479 Speaker 4: around now like it's nothing. You know, you could be 112 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:30,840 Speaker 4: the rock star of the office, or the rock star 113 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:34,480 Speaker 4: of the you know, production line, or the you know whatever, right, 114 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 4: and it's bandied about in music, that terminology is also 115 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:46,360 Speaker 4: bandied about. But when I was a kid, the aspiration 116 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:50,239 Speaker 4: of what that meant was that poster on your wall 117 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 4: of Queen and led Zeppelin and the Stones and in 118 00:05:56,080 --> 00:06:00,599 Speaker 4: Jersey of course Bruce and those bigger in life. 119 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 3: Holy Christ, I could never grow up and be that. 120 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 4: You know, those are the posters on your wall, and 121 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 4: a lot of that was the mystery. I think the 122 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:12,479 Speaker 4: songs were incredible and they still stand up fifty years later. 123 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 4: When you're talking about the Stones dead catalog of music 124 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 4: is le Jit you know, and Queen or Elton or 125 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 4: Bruce or you know those kind of things that hold 126 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 4: up today fifty. 127 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 1: Years Do you have a Stone songs one of the 128 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:30,279 Speaker 1: Stone songs that just like hits you hard. 129 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 3: There's so many. I mean, there's so many, but if 130 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 3: you think about more. 131 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:38,600 Speaker 4: I just was watching Who the Epics special, right, and 132 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:42,159 Speaker 4: I did a voiceover kind of you know. 133 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 3: I was interviewed for not only could they write a 134 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 3: pop song? 135 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 4: Not only did they realize that they had to learn 136 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:50,280 Speaker 4: to write a pop song because they weren't writers initially, right, 137 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:53,599 Speaker 4: and the Beatles wrote their first song and for John 138 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 4: and Paul give them a song, and then I want 139 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:58,920 Speaker 4: to be your man, and then Andrew says, you. 140 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 3: Guys better start writing zones. Oh fuck. 141 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 4: They ramped up quick, and then before you know it, 142 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 4: in the next five six years, they're writing Give Me Shelter, 143 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 4: and they're writing Sympathy for the Devil and this isn't 144 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 4: Moonjune and spoon and she loves you. Yeah, this is 145 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 4: some deep, socially conscious stuff wild. They're incredibly cool and 146 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 4: incredibly fuckable and incredibly its socially. 147 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 3: Conscious and dangerous. And that was what, you know, the rock. 148 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 4: Stars that I grew up aspiring to be, you know, 149 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 4: and to this day, the bar for me is there 150 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 4: are two bands on the planet that I would open for, 151 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 4: and the Stones are wonderful. 152 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 3: Okay, you know what I mean. 153 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 4: It's like I never miss a YouTube show if they 154 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 4: come to town because I'm a groupie for Bono's voice. 155 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 4: And I never miss a Stone show because that is 156 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 4: the band that I would open for any day. Yep, 157 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 4: you know, the other one being the EA Street Band 158 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 4: because there, you know, are are Beatles in New Jersey. 159 00:07:56,560 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 4: But I mean humbly. I say that humbly because she think, 160 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 4: oh my god, they're just so. I just saw the 161 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 4: Stones in Thanksgiving and I went to a show in Florida. 162 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:09,679 Speaker 3: I was in awe. I was just you know, Gaga, 163 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 3: It's amazing. It's like a religious experience for me. Find it, Yeah, 164 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 3: I find it to be that. 165 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 1: You know, when I've seen you in concert, when I've 166 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 1: seen you two, when i've seen stones. You know you 167 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 1: lose yourself recently. Yeah, you just go, you go something 168 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 1: you guys take. 169 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 3: Yeah. 170 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 1: So you know, the question to you is when you're 171 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 1: up there and you are looking at eighty thousand people 172 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 1: and you you know, you start your I when you're sixteen, 173 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 1: you're seventeen year in your room, it's fifty people, it's sixty. 174 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:41,440 Speaker 1: What are you looking at? What are you relating to 175 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 1: the group as because it feels like you're saying to me, surely, 176 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 1: so how does that work for you? 177 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 4: Numbers never mattered to me. I wanted to be great 178 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 4: for fifteen or fifty thousand. I always just wanted to 179 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 4: be the best I could possibly be in a club. 180 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 4: I wanted to kill you in a stadium. I want 181 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 4: to kill you. 182 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 3: Numbers. Never never wear. 183 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 4: Anything other than, you know, impressing yourself, because truthfully, you 184 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:10,680 Speaker 4: can't see every face and you can't hear anything more 185 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 4: than a dull roar. It's glorious. I love stages. People say, oh, 186 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 4: you want to play the small venue. 187 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 3: Fuck no, I. 188 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 4: Like playing in the desert. Yeah and selling it out. 189 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:25,680 Speaker 4: You know, it'st that was always the aspiration to be big. 190 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:28,440 Speaker 1: Energy that flies back and what does that feel like, 191 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 1: to be honest, honest to god truth, it gets dark, 192 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 1: you can't see them. 193 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 4: The sound goes up into the air and you can't 194 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 4: necessarily hear them. Really, Oh it's rolling hills of people 195 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 4: in outdoor fields, or it's a stadium where they're packed 196 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 4: to the rafters. 197 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 3: But it's gonna get dark by the time I'm going on. 198 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 4: So chances are twenty minutes into the show it's dark, right, 199 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 4: I might as well be in my bedroom, you know, 200 00:09:56,559 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 4: I know what's out there, sure, but it's all I 201 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:03,679 Speaker 4: care about is waking up in the morning and being great, 202 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 4: getting on the stage and wanting to be great, leaving 203 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 4: and putting my head down on that pillow again at 204 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 4: night and going was I great? And what can I 205 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:13,839 Speaker 4: do to be great tomorrow? So the rest of it 206 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 4: is just what it is. 207 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 1: What was the bridge that was that you considered to 208 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 1: be that first big concert that. 209 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 2: You were like, oh shit, guys, we're going to now be. 210 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 4: Our story is ours and everyone's is different. When I 211 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 4: was sixteen, and this is important to you and I 212 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 4: is that eighteen was the drinking age. 213 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 3: Yes, it was so you could sneak into a bar. 214 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:49,560 Speaker 4: This is very important, yep, because at sixteen, if you 215 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:53,320 Speaker 4: think about it, you don't have responsibility, you don't have family, 216 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 4: probably don't have a real job, you know, so. 217 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:57,559 Speaker 3: You could hone the craft. 218 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 4: Therefore, convincing your parents if I'm going to be in 219 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:03,440 Speaker 4: a bar, at least they know where I am. 220 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 3: This was very important. 221 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:07,719 Speaker 4: So I could go and start cutting my teeth at 222 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 4: sixteen and seventeen, so that by the time I just 223 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 4: barely turned eighteen, I knew that the only future for 224 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:17,440 Speaker 4: me was having your own music. 225 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 3: Because playing other people's music was at dead end Street. 226 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 3: And I knew that at eighteen. 227 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:23,560 Speaker 2: That's amazing that. 228 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 3: You never did anyone else's material. 229 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 2: Most people at that age were just doing cover. 230 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 4: Quit my own band, walked out on my own band 231 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 4: and said I'm out, And I went and became the 232 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 4: singer in a guy's band because it was original music 233 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 4: and the very very beginning. 234 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 3: So I knew at eighteen. 235 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:42,559 Speaker 4: So therefore at sixteen, when you're still in high school, 236 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 4: seventeen eighteen, i'd go to high school. Technically, I thought 237 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:50,440 Speaker 4: I made it because I wasn't playing the dance anymore. 238 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 3: I was playing the nightclub. 239 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:55,680 Speaker 4: When I was twenty one, I got a record deal, 240 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:58,320 Speaker 4: so I thought that was it. Do you remember the 241 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 4: name of the first night club, Well, not the first 242 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:04,960 Speaker 4: I was up placed. It was my home was called 243 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 4: the Fast Lane in Asbury Park. Okay, they let me 244 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 4: in when I was sixteen, We let us open for people. 245 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:12,679 Speaker 4: Even as a cover band, worked my way up to 246 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:15,440 Speaker 4: then being in a guy's original band, and then that 247 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:17,200 Speaker 4: was six months and I had. 248 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 3: My own original band. Never looked back. 249 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:23,680 Speaker 4: By the time I was twenty twenty, I had written Runaway, 250 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:24,719 Speaker 4: so there was no looking back. 251 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 3: I mean, holy shit. 252 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 4: And so by twenty one I had a record deal 253 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 4: and it's the same record deal, and I'm sixty it's 254 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 4: the same deal, same company. 255 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 3: I'm very proud of that too. 256 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 1: I think that that is also I think something so 257 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 1: amazing is loyalty, loyalty to life and people, and I 258 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:42,840 Speaker 1: think it's really important. 259 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 3: So why that right, right? You know it is. 260 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 1: I think it's a very important attribute and for success too, 261 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:56,840 Speaker 1: that you stick with the people and you talk about 262 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:59,320 Speaker 1: at that point in your life you do make reference 263 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:02,200 Speaker 1: to perform in a club and Springsteen comes up, and 264 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:03,199 Speaker 1: you know, of course. 265 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 3: Springsteen Jersey, you Jersey like the Kings of they were bigger. 266 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 4: There were four albums in at this point because he's 267 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 4: twelve years older. 268 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:14,679 Speaker 3: These are big brothers. Yeah, but they were also. 269 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 4: Icons in New Jersey. Yes, right, but I guess you're right. 270 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:20,560 Speaker 4: I'm seventeen, eighteen years old. First time ever when Bruce 271 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 4: jumps on the stage with me? 272 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 2: Is that all documented? 273 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:25,559 Speaker 3: You have that in videos? Photographs? 274 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 4: There was no There was no video in nineteen seventy nine. 275 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 4: Who had a big old camera back in those days? 276 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 4: There's photographs some Fortunately for me, somebody had a camera. 277 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 1: Welcome back to table for two. We're having lunch with 278 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:00,840 Speaker 1: John bond Jovi. As I said earlier, he's been in 279 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 1: the spotlight for forty years, and I'm wondering how is 280 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 1: the music industry different today? So for people coming up 281 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:12,680 Speaker 1: for people like doing what you are, what you did, 282 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 1: is it possible to do the same thing. 283 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I'll give you a little two stories about that. 284 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 3: I remember about twelve. 285 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 4: Years ago now, I was at a rock and roll 286 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 4: Hall of Fame and it was on the red carpet 287 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 4: and Little Stephen was in front of me and he 288 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 4: was saying rock and roll is dead. 289 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 3: And I was thinking to myself, this hurts my heart 290 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 3: in more ways than one, because not only was he 291 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 3: in the E Street bandy had his own solo career. 292 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 4: He's the DJ on Serious Radio and he's my buddy, right, 293 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 4: And I'm going, oh, this hurts my heart, you know, 294 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 4: to be hearing these kinds of words. 295 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 3: Well, we're all struggling to get our new songs. 296 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 4: On the radio, not just your catalog, right, and you're 297 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 4: at a Hall of Fame induction blah blah blah. 298 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 3: And then it. 299 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 4: Started to be processed for me. And here's how I 300 00:14:53,920 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 4: framed it. The advantages of being born much later making 301 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:01,359 Speaker 4: a record today. 302 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 3: You have the Internet? Now, is that good or bad? 303 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 4: It's good because terrestrial radio, as we know at iHeart 304 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 4: our friends here who are broadcasting this, have very limited 305 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 4: playlists on every for amount of radio that they have. 306 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 3: They have access to the universe. 307 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 4: But yet they still play the same songs that they 308 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 4: played fifty years ago in that same order at eight 309 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 4: o'clock every single night, and you're like, why do you 310 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 4: do this? 311 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 3: But they do. 312 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 4: And then the Internet comes along, and therefore it allows 313 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 4: the next Bob Dylan to be born. Because if you 314 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 4: don't sound like one of those pop kids today, the 315 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 4: boys or the girls that all end up sounding the same. 316 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 4: How is a let's call them the stylist. Let's go 317 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 4: back to the Nick Jagger conversation. How is that kid 318 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 4: with that voice getting on top forty radio at twenty 319 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 4: one years old? 320 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 3: Chances aris not right? Right? They want you to sound 321 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 3: like the. 322 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 4: Pop kid or you know, the R and B slash 323 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 4: god that's in his own I listen to, like want 324 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 4: the whole package developed, and he just look that too. 325 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 4: That's a whole nother story. But those playlists are so 326 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 4: limited and limiting, and if you don't fit the format, 327 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 4: you're not going to get that record on the radio. 328 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 3: Boom. 329 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 4: Then, if you hit forty, getting on top forty radio, 330 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 4: no chance, you're done. Then if you're sixty and you 331 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 4: can still sell out a stadium. But I want my 332 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 4: new song on classic radio. Really, if I'm lucky, it's 333 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 4: there for a minute and then they go, well, let's 334 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 4: play Living on a praide and go yeah, but it's 335 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 4: been playing a billion times. This is a good new song, 336 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 4: give me it, you know. And Bruce is doing YouTube, 337 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 4: doing it, Eltman's doing. People are still making great new music. Yes, 338 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 4: that radio won't program, so we go back to the 339 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 4: Internet avenue to get your music. Hurt a kid that's 340 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 4: going to have grow up and be twenty and have 341 00:16:57,200 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 4: Bob Dylan pen But Bob Dylan's voice hasn't have au 342 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 4: right called the internet right now. Opposite side of that 343 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 4: argument is the past ocean doesn't have the marketing of 344 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 4: the record company and the and the focus of you know, 345 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 4: and now Unfortunately, if you're a kid at the record company, 346 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 4: you'll say how many likes do you have on your 347 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 4: YouTube channel? 348 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 3: And you go, fuck face, here's my song. Oh no, 349 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 3: how many likes do you have? How many social media followers? Yeah, 350 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 3: that's what it seems like. They want to know how many. 351 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 3: They're not signing the kid to go. 352 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 2: To the song completely completely, they're not. 353 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 3: That's wrong. 354 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 4: That's the good and the bad of the Internet, and 355 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:42,439 Speaker 4: the good and the bad of terrestrial radio. 356 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:45,679 Speaker 3: Sure, so it ain't easy now. 357 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:48,879 Speaker 1: And I feel like because of social media and these platforms, 358 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:50,920 Speaker 1: like everybody who has a creative gene. 359 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 2: Which is great, but a lot of people don't have 360 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 2: creative genes. But everyone's out there, so that is crazy, sure, 361 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 2: crazy crazy, It's just insane. 362 00:17:58,359 --> 00:18:01,360 Speaker 3: The word influencer. What the money we have to give 363 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:01,920 Speaker 3: them and. 364 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 2: Spend and do you play into that? 365 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 4: The kid Jesse has to you know, in the wine business, 366 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:12,680 Speaker 4: I'm like, we do what we have to fly influencers 367 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 4: into this place because they're going to post about the 368 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:18,199 Speaker 4: wine and you go, really, I don't know what, you know, 369 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 4: what do they do? 370 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 3: They just talk about the wine. So these people have 371 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 3: you know, it's a million, it's a yeah thing, It's 372 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 3: a thing. 373 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 1: The thing that is so hysterical is you know, I 374 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:31,680 Speaker 1: asked you about your growing up. 375 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:32,960 Speaker 3: So when I was growing up. 376 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 1: I was not the coolest music guy. 377 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:38,880 Speaker 3: I sort of was. You know, my sister was into. 378 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 4: You. 379 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:43,679 Speaker 1: She was into Frampton, she was into all these and 380 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 1: she'd go buy my room and she'd hear like Olivia 381 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 1: and Johnson and you know, she'd hear she'd hear Beg's. 382 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 4: You know, I was that was it Top forty that 383 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 4: you were just to to? I listened to the Beg's. 384 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:03,119 Speaker 4: I remember how big bad record was. Here's an op soong. 385 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:13,119 Speaker 3: You know. 386 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:16,440 Speaker 2: So you write this album, you know, in twenty twenty and. 387 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:20,680 Speaker 1: One of and you hit upon real really pressing things 388 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:24,359 Speaker 1: that we're all going through. You talk about that sort 389 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 1: of as you as we're sitting as your home, as 390 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 1: you're with your family, the inspiration and as we watch 391 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:33,920 Speaker 1: the world crumble in front of us, and this monster 392 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:37,400 Speaker 1: sort of tell lies and say, oh, this thing COVID's 393 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 1: not coming your way, and oh guess what yeh? 394 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 2: Talk about that part of the. 395 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 3: Joan bonjo name. 396 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 4: As you get older, I don't have the desire to 397 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 4: write you give love a bad name. Even if I could, 398 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:52,639 Speaker 4: I don't have the desire. I'm sixty years old. I 399 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 4: don't want to pretend to be twenty five. One thing, 400 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 4: and I that you've known me, happy that you've known 401 00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:58,879 Speaker 4: me long enough, right that that's not me. 402 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 3: My hair has gone great. 403 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 4: I just say, at least I still have it right, 404 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 4: because all I care about. 405 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:07,439 Speaker 3: Is telling my truth. 406 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:10,359 Speaker 4: I can't pretend to be something I'm not, and I 407 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 4: can't go out and you know, keep dyeing my hair, 408 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 4: not whatever else you know you want me to do. 409 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:19,920 Speaker 4: Paint my fingernails. I used to say, I'll never become 410 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 4: fifty painting my fingernails black and writing bitch on my 411 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 4: belly because it was just like it wasn't a part 412 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 4: of what I wanted to be. When I grew up, 413 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:31,359 Speaker 4: you know, you just had to grow and it it'll again. 414 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:35,439 Speaker 3: It cost me, but it's okay. When I put my 415 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:38,639 Speaker 3: head down on the pillow, it cost you. It cost me. 416 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:40,680 Speaker 4: When I walk down the street now and the girl says, 417 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:42,880 Speaker 4: my mom likes you, and I go, fuck you. 418 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 3: It's very funny. But you to pretend to be something. 419 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 4: That that I wouldn't feel comfortable doing, then I believe 420 00:20:57,359 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 4: that I was a liar, and I'm not a liar. 421 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:01,960 Speaker 3: You may have liked our music. You may not have 422 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:03,919 Speaker 3: liked our music. It may like me or not like me. 423 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:06,960 Speaker 3: That's all cool. Yeah, But I was what I was, 424 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 3: and I am what I am, and it's what I 425 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 3: do period. And I grew up in public and I 426 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:12,400 Speaker 3: stayed there. 427 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 4: So an album like twenty twenty comes along and it 428 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:19,399 Speaker 4: became topical, and I have to go into those rooms 429 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 4: and have people say it's political. 430 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 3: I go, it's not political, it's topical. It's see. 431 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 4: If you can't do what you do, do what you can. 432 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 4: Is that political? No, I think it's topical. Let me 433 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:31,359 Speaker 4: tell you something. When I tried to get that record 434 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:36,359 Speaker 4: played top on country radio, we didn't even last until 435 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 4: this end of the song came up, they were like, 436 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 4: fuck you and your song get. 437 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:41,720 Speaker 3: Out yeah wow. 438 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 4: So that blew my mind that people couldn't come together 439 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:53,160 Speaker 4: over a wee song, you know nobody, and this made 440 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:55,359 Speaker 4: me happy. But it's sad that I had to write 441 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:58,360 Speaker 4: the song. But when I wrote American Reckoning, I certainly 442 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:01,679 Speaker 4: expected more blowback on that, And no where did I 443 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:04,359 Speaker 4: hear read or hear people say that song about. 444 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:06,120 Speaker 3: They embrace the song. 445 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 4: And you know, I wrote it in the wake of 446 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:13,199 Speaker 4: George Floyd and watching out on television and it resonated, 447 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 4: maybe because we were all locked in our homes, but 448 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:18,200 Speaker 4: that same tragedy that we've seen over and over again 449 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 4: this time. 450 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 3: Just forced me to sit down and write the song. 451 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 4: And it still works for me today. But I can't 452 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:28,119 Speaker 4: write you give up in bad name and good conscience. 453 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:29,399 Speaker 4: There's just too much more. 454 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 3: I can today. 455 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:43,359 Speaker 1: Who are the people that really light you up today? 456 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 4: Harry Styles is the biggest stars. 457 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 3: Full package. 458 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:56,679 Speaker 4: His ability to be deeper, thinker than a pop boys singer, 459 00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:01,439 Speaker 4: His sexuality, which is you know, the whole androgyny paying, 460 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 4: his ability to cross over into film, which is never 461 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 4: easy for anyone who's a singer. It's not gonna be 462 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 4: an easy road for him, but he's got a shot. 463 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 4: I love what he's doing musically. He's challenging himself and 464 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 4: then he comes up with a pop song. It has 465 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:21,359 Speaker 4: a deeper meeting, you know, as it was. It's not 466 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 4: going to be the same as it was, folks. 467 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 3: And I love that. 468 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, because he gave you a slap outside the head 469 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 4: and said I'm here with you, but doing it on 470 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,880 Speaker 4: my terms. So all of those things to me make 471 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,920 Speaker 4: him one of one. He really is one of He's 472 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:37,360 Speaker 4: one of one. 473 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 1: What has been some of your favorite venues that you've 474 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 1: performed that you go holy because you would. You did London, 475 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 1: you were the last to do when they are. Yeah, 476 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:49,360 Speaker 1: Wembley when they knocked out Baby, that's a big deal. 477 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 3: The deal was that we closed Wembley. 478 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 4: I think we did three nights, and then the deal 479 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,680 Speaker 4: was we were opening the new one. And as an American, 480 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:01,400 Speaker 4: that was pretty big deals. You know that they gave 481 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 4: you both bookends and we sold the tickets. Two nights 482 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 4: sold out and I went there on the train, I remember, 483 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 4: and I got off and I was outside because they 484 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 4: wanted to take a photograph with the arch and I 485 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:13,119 Speaker 4: took the photograph with the archsm go back on the 486 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 4: train to go back to the hotel, and a week 487 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 4: or two later I could word we're postponing the show 488 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:21,720 Speaker 4: and having to move it to another location. 489 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 3: You should have looked inside. It's not built and. 490 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 2: It was like those motherfuckers. 491 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 3: So we had two nights. Books looked well. It was 492 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 3: like the joke was that they had they couldn't open 493 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 3: with me. 494 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 4: It was a year or two years later, and so 495 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 4: we've moved and then by that time we weren't on 496 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 4: the road at that time. Somebody else played the first shot, 497 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 4: so we didn't get the other bookend. 498 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:47,639 Speaker 3: But Wembley Stadium is the place that you saw live age, 499 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:47,960 Speaker 3: you know. 500 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 4: It's so we've played there a bunch of times, playing 501 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 4: our home stadium which was then Giants Stadium, phenomenal for me. 502 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 3: We opened Met Life, I think I did four nights 503 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:00,919 Speaker 3: there because it's just amazing to be in New Jersey. 504 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, because you're the people, right, You're right. 505 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 4: I've played you know, every venue there is in Dublin, 506 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 4: which is always a place I had lived for some 507 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 4: of the Italians show, some of the South Americans show, 508 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:15,320 Speaker 4: some of the Australian shows over the years. 509 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 3: No one's played the Tokyo Dome. 510 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 4: More than I have, and unfortunately the sound is still 511 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 4: reverberating around that room. 512 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 3: Forty years later. 513 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us today on Table for two. John 514 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 1: and I are having a delicious lunch talking about music 515 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 1: and family. But there's another incredibly important part of his 516 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:56,359 Speaker 1: life JBJ Soul Kitchen. Let's jump back in and learn 517 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:57,040 Speaker 1: more about it. 518 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:00,639 Speaker 2: My background, as you know, for many years, was the Calm. 519 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:01,920 Speaker 2: It was a family business. 520 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:04,680 Speaker 1: You know, it went away a couple of years ago 521 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:06,920 Speaker 1: and sort of a big explosion, but that's a life. 522 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 1: And it was ninety four years of an incredible two 523 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 1: family store. 524 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,960 Speaker 2: And recently I was outside. 525 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 1: I left for a restaurants having dinner with Brian and 526 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:20,639 Speaker 1: two friends, and it was West Village via Corota and 527 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 1: this guy is. 528 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 2: I walk out and I don't notice, but there's a gentleman. 529 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 1: There's a guy sitting on this lane on the street 530 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:31,719 Speaker 1: and he says to me, you're hot, So that's going 531 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:32,520 Speaker 1: to get my attention. 532 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 2: I turned around and I was like, well. 533 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,399 Speaker 1: Hello, and he's like hello, and I walk over to 534 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 1: him and he's like, what's your name? 535 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 3: And I say I'm Bruce, and I go, what's your name? 536 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 1: He goes, It's Matthew, and he smiles and he's missing 537 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 1: like fire. 538 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 3: You know, he's like three teeth. He's a guy of aids. 539 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:51,120 Speaker 1: I've been living on the streets, so I've been down 540 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,520 Speaker 1: and I'm like, you know, are you getting medication? 541 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 2: Are you being taken? Like how is it working for 542 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:56,200 Speaker 2: you here? 543 00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:59,679 Speaker 1: And he's got just the best sort of energy about him. 544 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,160 Speaker 2: He's like, I'm gay too, and I'm like, oh great, 545 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 2: and then he's like. 546 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:04,920 Speaker 3: He's like who's that. I'm like, that's my husband. 547 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,440 Speaker 1: I had this full connection with him and it changed 548 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 1: the course of the day, the night, like everything. And 549 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:17,440 Speaker 1: I think being seen is so important to people actually 550 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:20,639 Speaker 1: see you. And you tell a story where you saw 551 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,479 Speaker 1: a person and your line is if you do what 552 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 1: you can right, you can yeah, which is a big 553 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,680 Speaker 1: deal because even at the moment, whatever, it was all 554 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:32,960 Speaker 1: I could do. Can you tell me about like that 555 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,760 Speaker 1: moment in your life coming from. 556 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:39,360 Speaker 4: I never intended to start some foundation and I never 557 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,399 Speaker 4: really had a that that was going to be my goal. 558 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 4: In truth, you know, when you're a boy growing up 559 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:50,080 Speaker 4: in middle class New Jersey, We never didn't have shoes 560 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:52,359 Speaker 4: on our feet and food on the table, and so 561 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 4: the family wasn't very philanthropic or politically even socially conscious. 562 00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 4: To be honest with you, it was a two parent 563 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,840 Speaker 4: working household, just living life. 564 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:03,120 Speaker 3: Right. 565 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 4: So, as I grew up and grew older, my initial 566 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:10,440 Speaker 4: focus selfishly was to go and make music. Yeah, what's 567 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 4: wrong with that? Right, I'm twenty one, I'm twenty five. 568 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 4: Check the boxes. As you get older, you know, and 569 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 4: you're growing and growing up, your priorities or they don't change, 570 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:25,320 Speaker 4: but you see the world differently, and you've traveled, and 571 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:29,200 Speaker 4: you see cultures, and you see haves and have nots, and. 572 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:31,640 Speaker 3: You're more aware. 573 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 4: So, strangely enough, and under the guise of what was 574 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 4: once sports ownership, I owned an arena football team. 575 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 3: So where does these two you know, roads intertwined? 576 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,400 Speaker 4: But I said, the only way that we can endear 577 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:49,680 Speaker 4: ourselves to the city of Philadelphia was to be more 578 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:54,280 Speaker 4: philanthropic than anyone My one partner was strange, but I 579 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 4: get it, and I says, we just have to be bigger, 580 00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 4: better than baseball, basketball, football, and hockey in Philadelphia being 581 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:01,520 Speaker 4: more philanthropic. 582 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 3: Initially we were robinhood. 583 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 4: We were little things to each and everybody who wanted something. 584 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 4: One night, when I was looking out the window and 585 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 4: I saw a homeless guy getting ready to cuddle up on. 586 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 3: A grate in the middle of winter, it all came 587 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:16,960 Speaker 3: together in my head. 588 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,680 Speaker 4: I said, Oh, my God, doesn't matter if you're a 589 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:23,920 Speaker 4: white or black, young or old, Republican or Democrat, Yankee 590 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 4: fan or Phillies fan. You know, I said, this issue 591 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 4: could hit anyone. Those two pet shakes away. I mean, 592 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 4: that's life in America. 593 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 3: Yeah. 594 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,280 Speaker 4: And I called a buddy of mine who was born 595 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 4: and raised in Philly, and I says, if you could 596 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:39,440 Speaker 4: find me somebody in the. 597 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:43,520 Speaker 3: Field to get some advice, tell him that, you know, 598 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 3: we'd like to do something. 599 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:47,640 Speaker 4: Little did I know that the Michael Jordan of the 600 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 4: issue was in Philadelphia. She's a nun, a sister, a 601 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:56,280 Speaker 4: sister of mercy, so they don't wear habits. She is 602 00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,360 Speaker 4: on the street. She is not in the church. She 603 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:00,480 Speaker 4: is down that alleyway. She's the I want to talk 604 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 4: into that guy on the street. She's the one that's, 605 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 4: you know, telling him you need service provided. Go over here, 606 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,800 Speaker 4: go over here. My buddy goes to her and says, 607 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,040 Speaker 4: you know, I work with job bon Joe. She's like, yeah, great, 608 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:12,040 Speaker 4: I work with the Pope. 609 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 3: Oh I got the greatest comeback Emerald. 610 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 4: And Sister Mary says, well, that's sweet, you know, and 611 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:28,320 Speaker 4: bring him around. So I go, I explain who we are, 612 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,320 Speaker 4: what we've got, you know, a few bucks here and there, 613 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:33,320 Speaker 4: and she says, well, maybe you guys could raise enough 614 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 4: money to help us repair one of these row homes. 615 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,400 Speaker 4: And I was not being a wise answer, and I said, 616 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,400 Speaker 4: but Sister Mary, what it cost to redo the block? 617 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 3: And she said, I like you. 618 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 4: And the reason I said that was I said, if 619 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 4: I can get a dollar sign, then I know that 620 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:50,800 Speaker 4: we can bring back a street. We can back up 621 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:52,320 Speaker 4: a street, we can bring back a neighborhood. We can 622 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,920 Speaker 4: bring back a neighborhood, we can have an influence. We 623 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,920 Speaker 4: hit it off. She taught me everything that I'm now. 624 00:30:58,120 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 3: No, I don't know if. 625 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,960 Speaker 4: Over many years later, fifteen sixteen years later, I learned 626 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:08,040 Speaker 4: from her because you teach a manificient, you know, or 627 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:11,800 Speaker 4: you give him a phicians. In this instance, service providing 628 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,600 Speaker 4: is the key, because you could give Zoo money a 629 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:18,880 Speaker 4: home habitat for humanity, which was our first for rank 630 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 4: before I met her. 631 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:25,000 Speaker 3: But how are they keeping the lights on? Yeah? Long 632 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,800 Speaker 3: and short of it right there. Sister Mary's whole thing was. 633 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:31,880 Speaker 4: Service, providing, job training. You know, I'd vote those things 634 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 4: were key. So we raised a. 635 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:38,720 Speaker 3: Little bit of money. We built up a block with her. 636 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 4: And this is even as deep as her teaching me 637 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:46,680 Speaker 4: about text credits and government involvement in these things. President 638 00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,720 Speaker 4: Clinton came himself and cut the ribbon on our foundation 639 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,800 Speaker 4: with her in Philly. Wrote about it in one of 640 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:56,680 Speaker 4: his books called Giving, because he'd never imagined a sports 641 00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:00,480 Speaker 4: theme foundation, a non a. 642 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,200 Speaker 3: Rock star, blah blah blah. 643 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:07,120 Speaker 4: Since then, about a thousand units of affordable housing, three restaurants, 644 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:08,560 Speaker 4: things like the food bank. 645 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:10,880 Speaker 3: So we're making our little more. 646 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:17,240 Speaker 4: It's not Jose Andres God bless SoSE he's a saint, yes, But. 647 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:20,760 Speaker 3: What we do in our little way is working. 648 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:25,120 Speaker 4: And then things like the Soul Kitchen, our unicorns, m tourthy. 649 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,960 Speaker 4: You created something that didn't exist anywhere. 650 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,440 Speaker 5: So I mean, I know what the soul kitchen is, 651 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:41,280 Speaker 5: but if you could give, right, So we're building houses. 652 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,560 Speaker 4: We meet sister Mary, we start building houses a block 653 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,120 Speaker 4: at a time. We're in different towns. We're doing our 654 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:50,960 Speaker 4: things all that same circle that our conversation began with 655 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:51,880 Speaker 4: gave me a. 656 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:55,000 Speaker 3: Lot of At a boy, that's what I get at 657 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:55,400 Speaker 3: a boy. 658 00:32:55,720 --> 00:33:00,680 Speaker 4: They're like, yeah, you know, so okay, Oh, the economic 659 00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:04,560 Speaker 4: downturn happens. And my wife on the couch one evening 660 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:08,160 Speaker 4: watching the evening news, sees this restaurant and she goes, 661 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,520 Speaker 4: that's the next phase of the foundation, because the people 662 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,040 Speaker 4: who we put in these houses have to eat now 663 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:15,840 Speaker 4: that the economy is going to take them, you know, 664 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:17,800 Speaker 4: and we're not going to get text credits to build 665 00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 4: more housing. Stream of consciousness, she says, I've got this 666 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:26,880 Speaker 4: idea restaurant, no prices on the menu, people volunteer for 667 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:28,960 Speaker 4: their meal, or you and I go. They're an effect 668 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,480 Speaker 4: change directly by putting money on the table. 669 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:33,920 Speaker 3: You or I go there, you leave. 670 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:35,840 Speaker 4: Twenty bucks on the table, paid for your meal, and 671 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,360 Speaker 4: it paid for someone else's meal. You have directly and 672 00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,960 Speaker 4: immediately affected change those who are in need, which you 673 00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,480 Speaker 4: would never know the differentstween you and the man in 674 00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:45,360 Speaker 4: need going in there. 675 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,120 Speaker 3: Get out of your mind's eye, down and out in 676 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,360 Speaker 3: Beverly Hills. This is not nicking old in this ship. 677 00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:52,520 Speaker 4: This is people who were coming in because of the 678 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,560 Speaker 4: economic downtern and you had a job yesterday yesterday. 679 00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,160 Speaker 3: Now are coming in there because they were in need. 680 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,480 Speaker 4: But you would know they are talking to what you 681 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,200 Speaker 4: think as a hostess, but she's really a social worker. 682 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,040 Speaker 4: She's asking you've been here before, you know the model, 683 00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,399 Speaker 4: making it something that you want to feel a part of, 684 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:15,880 Speaker 4: and therefore you've turned your meal. There's pride in that. 685 00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:19,640 Speaker 4: There's pride and empowerment. The twelve year old could come 686 00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:21,759 Speaker 4: in sweep the floor for twenty minutes. We call it 687 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:23,880 Speaker 4: a job, and it's twenty minutes. Just come in and 688 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,239 Speaker 4: push that broom for a minute. Here's a certificate. 689 00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,479 Speaker 3: Go bring mom and dad and the brothers and sisters. Fat. 690 00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:30,040 Speaker 3: I'm feeding everybody tonight. 691 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,640 Speaker 4: Now that little boy goes home with such a feeling 692 00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:33,560 Speaker 4: of empowerment. 693 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:38,200 Speaker 3: They're not at a soup kitchen. There's no institutionalized food here. 694 00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:41,600 Speaker 4: There is no soda pop and there is no you know, 695 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:44,840 Speaker 4: fried this, and it's like a real farm to the 696 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:51,080 Speaker 4: table menus, servers, plates, silverware, good and good for your food. 697 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,520 Speaker 4: The only difference is there's no prices on our menu 698 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:59,080 Speaker 4: and there's no government subsidies. I do not take government subsidies. 699 00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:02,680 Speaker 1: That's a huge thing. To your point, it's really hard 700 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,280 Speaker 1: to actually do. It's easy to see it, it's easy 701 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,320 Speaker 1: to feel it. It's easy to maybe write there whatever, 702 00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:11,000 Speaker 1: But it's hard to do. What you said is because 703 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:14,280 Speaker 1: you create the blasts a year and create the community. 704 00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:18,960 Speaker 1: And that's when and every time I think about you, guys, 705 00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,880 Speaker 1: I think about family and community. You know your father 706 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:26,520 Speaker 1: for comformist family is Italian family. It's about community, the 707 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:31,000 Speaker 1: community you build. You're super connected to Long Island and 708 00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:31,600 Speaker 1: New Jersey. 709 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:32,520 Speaker 2: These are your homes. 710 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:33,799 Speaker 3: It's the big deal. 711 00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:36,160 Speaker 2: And what you're doing on Long Island. 712 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, they did it here, you know. That was another 713 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:44,080 Speaker 3: point to your point. People will write a check. 714 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:49,120 Speaker 4: They're either too busy or as many things in life, 715 00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:51,680 Speaker 4: it's born out of fear. I'll give you a story 716 00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:55,160 Speaker 4: from the Soul Kitchen. The Soul Kitchen, the flagship, the 717 00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:59,120 Speaker 4: first one. It's a thirty three seat restaurant. It's teeny weenie. 718 00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,200 Speaker 4: A third of this room that we're sitting in it 719 00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:08,759 Speaker 4: was an autobody shop when the man who got it 720 00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:12,799 Speaker 4: for us showed Dorothea. So the three bays are still 721 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:14,880 Speaker 4: cut into the cinderblock right we walk in. 722 00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:16,760 Speaker 3: It's three walls and three bays. 723 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,160 Speaker 4: He says, if you want to rent this joint, my wife, 724 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:21,880 Speaker 4: being the visionary as she is, just as. 725 00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:23,399 Speaker 3: I see it, we could do that. We do it. 726 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:25,920 Speaker 3: We couldn't get. 727 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:32,120 Speaker 4: The affluent in the community to come. No way, no help, 728 00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:36,959 Speaker 4: and it was fear. And I love the honesty. There's 729 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:40,560 Speaker 4: no booze. I go, okay, well go somewhere else because 730 00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:44,239 Speaker 4: I need to feed people. Another guy says, I really 731 00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:46,240 Speaker 4: don't want to sit next to a homeless person. 732 00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:48,360 Speaker 3: There is people with a lot of money, and I go, 733 00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:52,560 Speaker 3: we have communal seating. You would never know who was 734 00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:56,439 Speaker 3: and who was not, and explaining that all to them. 735 00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:58,759 Speaker 4: The idea that there was no prices on the menu 736 00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,040 Speaker 4: freaked people out there, like I don't know if I'm 737 00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,000 Speaker 4: supposed to come in and give you ten dollars or 738 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:06,040 Speaker 4: one thousand dollars, and what if I, you know, don't 739 00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:07,120 Speaker 4: have a thousand dollars. 740 00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,439 Speaker 3: It's not about that, it's communities. Meeting the guy next 741 00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:11,040 Speaker 3: to you. 742 00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:14,000 Speaker 4: You'd never know that that guy who is currently in 743 00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:17,440 Speaker 4: dire straits worked on Wall Street last year. You know 744 00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,959 Speaker 4: he got divorced. He just decided fuck all this. Now 745 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:24,480 Speaker 4: he's living with two other guys that are not doing 746 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:25,360 Speaker 4: as well as they used to. 747 00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:26,719 Speaker 3: But don't think he's not. 748 00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:31,160 Speaker 4: Educated and smart and passionate and everything else. Needless to say, 749 00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:35,160 Speaker 4: most of those people never came back. Interesting never came back, 750 00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,320 Speaker 4: and we just shake our heads and go, that's cool. 751 00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:40,640 Speaker 4: You know, we don't need them to come back. We 752 00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:44,200 Speaker 4: don't need them to come back. We'd rather feed the people, 753 00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:45,640 Speaker 4: but we'd like to get the. 754 00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:47,600 Speaker 3: Community more involved. 755 00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:50,839 Speaker 4: They have because we've been there for eleven twelve years now. 756 00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,040 Speaker 4: It's about a fifty to fifty mix, so it's sort of, 757 00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:59,480 Speaker 4: you know, within reason, we're covering our overhead because you know, 758 00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,279 Speaker 4: the short was paid by the foundation, and we're meeting. 759 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:06,280 Speaker 1: Sure, your children must look at you and your wife, 760 00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:07,560 Speaker 1: and what great. 761 00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:09,719 Speaker 2: Role models to sort of see because. 762 00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:11,600 Speaker 3: You know, the rest of my day is shitty. I'm 763 00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:13,279 Speaker 3: back to being an arrogant Rocks. 764 00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:14,080 Speaker 2: Well that's good. 765 00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:14,560 Speaker 3: I like that. 766 00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:18,319 Speaker 1: I mean, really really have to just note that you 767 00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:20,319 Speaker 1: really are She's the one. 768 00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,240 Speaker 3: Dirthy is the one. She's the one. 769 00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:30,040 Speaker 1: I've had a wonderful time talking with John, learning more 770 00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:34,520 Speaker 1: about his family, his band, and on this beautiful summer day, 771 00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,239 Speaker 1: I just wonder what's he going to be up to? 772 00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:39,799 Speaker 3: You know. 773 00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,200 Speaker 1: I just want to hit on a couple of things 774 00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:45,840 Speaker 1: that no nuggets of JBJ that I don't know, which 775 00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:47,360 Speaker 1: is what. 776 00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:48,320 Speaker 2: Kind of books turn you on? 777 00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:49,720 Speaker 3: What kind of music when you're. 778 00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:51,560 Speaker 1: Home and you're just chilling out now and you're just 779 00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,200 Speaker 1: you know, you're resting, and what do you dig? 780 00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:59,719 Speaker 3: I can't put down open the Andre Agacy. 781 00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:04,920 Speaker 4: Okay, I have a new passion or a sickness. It's tennis. 782 00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:07,640 Speaker 4: I never played tennis in my whole life. I never 783 00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:09,839 Speaker 4: swung a racket. Fifty nine years old, I pick up 784 00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:10,360 Speaker 4: a racket. 785 00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:15,279 Speaker 3: I'm obsessed. It's like my days tennis just. 786 00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:16,520 Speaker 2: To hire the competition. 787 00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:18,600 Speaker 3: It's a different workout. Yeah. 788 00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:21,280 Speaker 4: I got so tired of just running and lifting weights 789 00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:23,959 Speaker 4: that I needed something new, and so tennis is doing 790 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:24,440 Speaker 4: that for me. 791 00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:24,719 Speaker 3: Okay. 792 00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:29,000 Speaker 4: But then there was a book called Late to the Ball, 793 00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:31,879 Speaker 4: and it's about a fifty nine year old guy who 794 00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:35,880 Speaker 4: finds tennis. I'm like, yeah, but now I'm obsessed. And 795 00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,440 Speaker 4: so but I knew who andre Agassi was, but I 796 00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:41,680 Speaker 4: didn't know, you know, And so I'm reading this book 797 00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,879 Speaker 4: another summer book that I read this year and got 798 00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:48,799 Speaker 4: to know. The author was Ryan Holiday, and the. 799 00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,640 Speaker 3: Obstacle is the Way, and it's. 800 00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:57,800 Speaker 4: You know, life gets thrown at you and shit happens, 801 00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:02,000 Speaker 4: and the titles says it all right, the obstacle was 802 00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:04,600 Speaker 4: there on purpose to teach you the right way. 803 00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:06,439 Speaker 3: It's funny. Brian always says too. 804 00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,680 Speaker 2: If you're in the game long enough, no matter who. 805 00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:10,920 Speaker 3: You are, it's gonna sure. 806 00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,719 Speaker 1: That's just the way it gets your for everybody long enough, 807 00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:15,359 Speaker 1: it gets hard. 808 00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:17,520 Speaker 2: So that's that's interesting. 809 00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:18,160 Speaker 3: Very helpful book. 810 00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:21,200 Speaker 4: I've read every self help book there is, but the 811 00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:25,680 Speaker 4: latest things are the stoics, which these philosophers that are, 812 00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,080 Speaker 4: you know, thousands of years old, gave the guy enough 813 00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:31,759 Speaker 4: material to write about it and I explained properly. But 814 00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:37,400 Speaker 4: this little one, it's just that philosophy helps you be 815 00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:38,200 Speaker 4: a better leader. 816 00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,040 Speaker 3: So the Obstacles the Way. It's been another one. 817 00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:43,840 Speaker 4: So like this afternoon, will you you're going to go 818 00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:45,480 Speaker 4: to work on my andre book? 819 00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:47,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, because yesterday was a rainy morning. If you remember 820 00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:50,920 Speaker 3: set sports reading loving it. 821 00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,120 Speaker 1: I hope everyone enjoyed pulling up a chair today. I 822 00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:57,279 Speaker 1: certainly did. I really appreciate the Times police sent a 823 00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:00,799 Speaker 1: big hugging against to Dorothea. 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