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Speaker 1: Welcome to Money Making Conversations.

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Speaker 2: It's the show that she is the secrets of success

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Speaker 2: experience firsthand by marketing and Brandon expert Rashan McDonald. I

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Speaker 2: will know he's giving me advice on many occasions. And in

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Speaker 2: case you didn't notice, I'm not broke. You know he'll

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Speaker 2: be interviewing celebrity CEOs, entrepreneurs and industry decision makers.

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Speaker 3: It's what he likes to do, it's what he likes

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Speaker 3: to share.

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Speaker 2: Now it's time to hear from my man, Rashan McDonald

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Speaker 2: money making conversations.

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Speaker 1: Here we go.

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Speaker 4: Working the money making Conversations. I'm back again, your host,

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Speaker 4: Rashan McDonald. I always tell people it's time to stop

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Speaker 4: reading other people's success stories. I say that every time

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Speaker 4: I start this show. It's time you start doing your

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Speaker 4: job and writing your own story. And I always tell

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Speaker 4: people to leave with their gifts and don't let their friends' age,

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Speaker 4: especially age, stop you from playing your dreams or living

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Speaker 4: your dreams. Miami interviews always include consumers, CEOs, entrepreneurs, and

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Speaker 4: what I call industry decision maker. My next guest, he's

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Speaker 4: an interesting decision maker. He's a celebrity because he's on

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Speaker 4: TV every night. He's an entrepreneur. His name is Don Lemon.

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Speaker 4: He's the host of CNN Tonight with Don Lemon, and

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Speaker 4: he's America's only black prime time anchor. In twenty twenty,

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Speaker 4: Done was the leading voice on CNN guiding viewers like

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Speaker 4: me through the death of George Floyd on the summer

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Speaker 4: of nationwide protests and riots. The viewers and myself we

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Speaker 4: depended on him nightly to guide us through the global pandemic.

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Speaker 4: I recently got a vaccine. I'm gonna tell you something.

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Speaker 4: He guided me through the process of being mature enough

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Speaker 4: to deal with that and go get the vaccine, and

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Speaker 4: I got it yesterday. Now an urgent, deeply personally and

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Speaker 4: rivedeen plea. His new book shows us how deep our

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Speaker 4: problem live with racism and what we can do to

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Speaker 4: begin to fix the problem. The book is entitled This

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Speaker 4: is the Fire What I Say to My friends about Racism.

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Speaker 4: Don brings his vast audience and experience as a reporter

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Speaker 4: and a black man to today's most urgent question, how

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Speaker 4: can we end racism in America in our lifetime?

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Speaker 1: Please? Welcome to Money Making Conversation Don Lemon for Sean.

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Speaker 5: Thank you so much. It's good to be with you again,

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Speaker 5: and wow, want an introduction, Well, you know, some man,

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Speaker 5: it was.

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Speaker 4: It was emotional, you know, because I read the book

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Speaker 4: and the book was a journey. And I say that

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Speaker 4: to everybody that before I get into detail about the book,

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Speaker 4: one of the things that I love what you said

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Speaker 4: is somebody says they have the answer to racism, basically

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Speaker 4: walk away from because they lie, and you stay the

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Speaker 4: end of the book because that's true.

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Speaker 1: Talk to us about that.

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Speaker 5: Well, I said, I wanted to write this book because

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Speaker 5: I thought I had some things that I could speak

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Speaker 5: to and that I could speak because I'm at the

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Speaker 5: really at the matrix of, as you so keenly pointed out,

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Speaker 5: of everything that happens in this country every single night

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Speaker 5: or every weeknight at least sometimes on weekends, sometimes seven

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Speaker 5: nights a week, and I'm just sort of guiding people

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Speaker 5: through the process. And so so you're right on about that.

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Speaker 5: I it was.

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Speaker 6: It was.

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Speaker 5: It was a tough thing to write this book, knowing

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Speaker 5: what I know and experiencing what I've experience, and it was,

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Speaker 5: as you said, very personal. Just before, just before I

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Speaker 5: hung up with you a couple of minutes and just

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Speaker 5: before I got on with you a couple of minutes ago.

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Speaker 5: You know, I write the letter to my nephew in

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Speaker 5: the beginning of the book. My niece and her husband called,

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Speaker 5: which is Trishad my great nephew who I write the

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Speaker 5: letter to. It's his mom and his stepdad, and they

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Speaker 5: called me and they were so emotional about the book

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Speaker 5: it would be. And they said they were actually crying

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Speaker 5: reading the book. And he's and you know, his stepdad,

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Speaker 5: Jeffrey said, I'm not an emotional person, but don you

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Speaker 5: made me cry. I believe this book is going to

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Speaker 5: be a classic and in one hundred years people are

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Speaker 4: But you know, in that letter, it was it was

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Speaker 4: a couple of things made me smile when you say

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Speaker 1: Where articulated on bones on bone? What is that? What

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Speaker 7: Come on, man?

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Speaker 5: You know you know well articulated armbones that everything is

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Speaker 6: Right.

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Speaker 5: There's there's a photo of us at the beach from

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Speaker 5: Very similar. He's he is the younger body the younger

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Speaker 7: And so I look at it.

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Speaker 5: I said, look, we have the same arms, and we

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Speaker 5: it's so simple to say we have the same arms

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Speaker 5: and say, well, I would's say the same well articulated armbor.

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Speaker 1: I loved it.

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Speaker 4: They may be smile because the book like this, You

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Speaker 4: want to smile, You want to find those moments of happening.

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Speaker 1: Is because it's the truth.

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Speaker 4: And sometimes when you deal with racism and that, and

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Speaker 4: you know, white people, they always say you have to say,

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Speaker 4: white people, can you just move on? You know, we

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Speaker 4: know there's a problem.

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Speaker 1: Can we move on. That's not me. They don't really realize.

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Speaker 4: The vast nature of hot racism is so undercovered. The

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Speaker 4: beauty of electing a person like you said with Donald

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Speaker 4: Trump in twenty sixteen, to me, you.

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Speaker 1: Said, he led us to the fight, And what exactly

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Speaker 1: is the fire?

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Speaker 5: Well, he's led us to the fire and then poured

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Speaker 5: gasoline on it. The fire is in James Balwin's book

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Speaker 5: The Fire Next Time, which was this was a tribute

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Speaker 5: to right. That's why one of the reasons that I

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Speaker 5: fashioned the book in the way that I fashioned it

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Speaker 5: is because James.

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Speaker 7: Baldwin is my literary hero. As I was as I read.

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Speaker 5: I read The Fire Next Time a couple of times

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Speaker 5: a year, and as all of these events were unfolding

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Speaker 5: in the summer of twenty twenty, I wanted to write something.

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Speaker 5: I was inspired to write something that was short, that

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Speaker 5: in the fashion of James Baldwin. That's why James Walwin

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Speaker 5: starts The Fire Next Time with a letter to his

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Speaker 5: You know I've begun this letter a thousand times and

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Speaker 5: even though it's one hundred year anniversary of the emanci

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Speaker 5: Patient Proclamation. And when he said God gave no other

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Speaker 5: rainbow sign, no more water to Fire Next Time, to me,

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Speaker 5: that was an indication and a call after watching someone

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Speaker 5: that we were at an inflection point in our society,

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Speaker 5: and either we could decide as a group of people

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Speaker 5: to continue on towards a more perfect union rather than

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Speaker 5: under the law under the Constitution, well at least under

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Speaker 5: the law under the Constitution they should have, but not

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Speaker 5: more treated that way. And so I believe that this

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Speaker 5: inflection point where it needs to change.

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Speaker 4: And in the book we're talking, but I think it's

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Speaker 4: because at the age of thirty three, in your book

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Speaker 4: we go there, let's go back to sixteen nineteen. As

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Speaker 4: and you know, men and women of dark complexion, of

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Speaker 4: to do right because they.

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Speaker 1: Said, who's going to pick the cotton? I'm not picking the.

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Speaker 1: And then because it was, like I said, it was

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Speaker 1: a beautiful book.

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Speaker 4: First of all, I want to compliment you on that

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Speaker 1: And it also you're a very colorful writer.

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Speaker 4: In other words, I actually felt the moments I felt

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Speaker 4: out of Thomas Jefferson's and issues that he had in

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Speaker 4: your writing. And then you jumped to Ms Malte in

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Speaker 4: nineteen forty seven. It gets personal with you because you

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Speaker 4: start talking about your life. You know, you start talking

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Speaker 4: a position to purchase land and the issues that she

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Speaker 4: to George Floyd in twenty twenty. Why was it important

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Speaker 4: to have these transitional time moments in your book to

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Speaker 5: Because I think it was important to show the true

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Speaker 5: this unless we start at the beginning. And the beginning

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Speaker 5: is a true history of this country. You mentioned sixteen nineteen,

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Speaker 5: there's a sixteen nineteen project. But there's also what we

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Speaker 5: should realize is that long before the Mayflower was here,

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Speaker 5: people who helped to build this country for free.

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Speaker 7: So while we look upon.

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Speaker 5: The descendants of the people who came over on Mayflowers,

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Speaker 5: some sort of some sort of vaunted or celebrated position,

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Speaker 5: perhaps that we should teach the history of the people

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Speaker 5: who came over before them as well, and who actually

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Speaker 5: taught in our history books to American history to kids,

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Speaker 5: as we teach Christopher Columbus discovered America. Christopher Lumber Columbus

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Speaker 5: did not discover America. America was here long before Christopher Columbus.

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Speaker 5: Columbus was here, just asked any Native American. And it's

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Speaker 5: insulting to people actually to learn that, because it's not

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Speaker 5: the truth. If you want to say Christopher Columbus conquered America,

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Speaker 5: or that that Europeans conquered America, okay, that might be

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Speaker 5: a fair statement. So that people like man Terry and

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Speaker 5: his sister Amesa, and the German Coast Uprising which I

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Speaker 5: in the book that include African Americans or African how

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Speaker 5: African people contributed to this country. I think that's where

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Speaker 5: we start with the truth from the beginning, and that's

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Speaker 5: why I wove all of those instances into the book to.

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Speaker 7: Try to bring it all.

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Speaker 5: From the past, from the beginning into the presence.

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Speaker 4: Now you said the book you do not pretend to

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Speaker 4: have any answers, And then the book is this is

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Speaker 4: Well because you know, as a book you write about

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Speaker 4: brilliant book. This is the Fire What I Say to

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Speaker 1: It was a wrap up my friends, so we can

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Speaker 7: Tell me what do you want to know? What do

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Speaker 1: Where do we go?

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Speaker 1: Well, you've done the work.

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Speaker 4: You've written a brilliant book, an informant book, an emotional book.

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Speaker 1: This is the fire. What I say to my friends

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Speaker 4: Hi, I'm Rashaan McDonald, the host of Money Making Conversation.

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Speaker 4: The Cafe Mochaswag Award is a celebration of black men

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Speaker 13: Welcome back to money Making Conversations with your host, Rashawn McDonald.

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Speaker 4: My next guest is Terrence Terrell. Let me just let

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Speaker 4: y'all know it a little bit about him because I've

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Speaker 4: been following him. He's motar y'all, half man, half motorcycle,

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Speaker 4: and those progressive motives.

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Speaker 1: Now I know, all y'all who that black dude.

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Speaker 4: Who that black dude on that uh on that tradmill,

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Speaker 4: on that trade mill, Bernard Rubble. That's my man right here,

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Speaker 4: Terrence Terrell. We're gonna put the word out by him.

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Speaker 4: He's an Emmy Award winning actor, author, musician, and philathropists.

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Speaker 4: He's appeared on Bosh for Amazon, Loved Him On That Room,

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Speaker 4: One on four for HBO, Batwoman for the CW, and

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Speaker 4: The First Wives.

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Speaker 1: Club for BT Plus.

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Speaker 4: Also, he's to Raised Giants, for which he won a

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Speaker 4: Daytime Emmy for Outstanding Supported Actor. In the digital drama series.

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Speaker 4: Terrece can be seen in series on the series on

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Speaker 4: New Truck Laurie le'm Tios Chuck Laurie, IF Chuck Laurie

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Speaker 4: calls you. Then you start, you get on your needs.

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Speaker 4: You said, thank God, because this man history on television

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Speaker 4: is legendary for sustaining sitcoms on the air.

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Speaker 1: But let's go a little bit about this brother here.

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Speaker 4: He's he's originally from Cleveland, Mississippi, so you have to

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Speaker 4: use the word humble beginnings with him. He's an HPECS

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Speaker 4: in year Alarm, Mississippi Valley State. That's Jered Wright's country.

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Speaker 4: Willie Todd you know what I'm talking about, and currently

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Speaker 4: resigns in Los Angeles, California. You know the beauty of him, man.

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Speaker 4: He has a book out that we're going to talk about.

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Speaker 4: Is a self published children's book series and includes the

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Speaker 4: titles of Blackie, He's a previous book that he's written,

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Speaker 4: but my Little Black Book. The book promotes black beauty, inclusion,

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Speaker 4: and self love, which is some of the forces to

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Speaker 4: drive this young man as he builds his empire through

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Speaker 4: his talent, hard work, passion, and his commitment to making

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Speaker 4: other people better. Please work with the money making a conversation.

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Speaker 4: He had to change his background once he realized who

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Speaker 4: was interviewing him. He thought he was in the basement.

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Speaker 4: Please welcome ters, Terra.

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Speaker 8: Showing up.

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Speaker 15: I was like, let me, let me show it out.

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Speaker 15: Let me get ready for you.

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Speaker 1: No, hold up, brother, hey man, okay, who are you

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Speaker 1: get hold hold? Hold hold on? That's your background?

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Speaker 4: That ain't no like a like the little thing they

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Speaker 4: just put on like a little flip pitcher.

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Speaker 1: Now that's me, brother. Always let me go ahead and

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Speaker 1: flip do something.

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Speaker 4: Well, you up created well, first of all, you're a

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Speaker 4: handsome guy. So any background you'll be in front of

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Speaker 4: gonna work for you. So let's go get that. Let's

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Speaker 4: gonna get that out the way. But you come from Cleveland, Mississippi. Now,

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Speaker 4: I've been all over. I have been in that city because,

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Speaker 4: like I said, I know about Cleveland, Mississippi, Alabama because

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Speaker 4: I was a stand up comedian. So I was going

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Speaker 4: up and down all the little towns man, just trying

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Speaker 4: to make my career work. And when you're trying to

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Speaker 4: make your career work, sometimes you have to do in

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Speaker 4: play places that want on that schedule for starting. And

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Speaker 4: so come from Cleveland now residing in Los Angeles.

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Speaker 1: Tell us about their journey.

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Speaker 4: Because we have to stop at the HBCU country that

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Speaker 4: I mentioned in your intro Mississippi Valley State because right

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Speaker 4: now HBCU brand recognition is on fire.

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Speaker 1: You have to be proud.

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Speaker 6: Yes, So I was raised while grew up in Mississippi, but.

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Speaker 15: My mom moved us from Cleveland at five and I

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Speaker 15: went to San Diego, and then I came back to Clean,

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Speaker 15: Mississippi when I was fifteen because my grandmother. You know,

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Speaker 15: you go back to the South because somebody's sick or

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Speaker 15: you got to help the family.

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Speaker 6: Remember howse So my grandmother had open heart surgery. So

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Speaker 6: I went back to help.

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Speaker 15: Her out, and I ended up going to college at

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Speaker 15: Missippi Valley State. There undergrad that was an undergrad then

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Speaker 15: grad school. I went to Jackson State. But I was

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Speaker 15: a drum major at Mississippi Valley State. So I was

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Speaker 15: in front of the band.

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Speaker 1: Oh come on that. You was that guy that didn't

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Speaker 1: display come on that.

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Speaker 4: Oh hey man, let's let's let's talk about that man,

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Speaker 4: because you got no joke. Man, you're the drum major

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Speaker 4: for a black marching band and an HBCU.

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Speaker 15: Hey brother, you know, finally somebody understand when you say

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Speaker 15: drum mad, they'd be like, oh the person that.

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Speaker 6: Played the drums.

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Speaker 15: Oh no, drum major is literally like the Michael Jackson

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Speaker 15: of the band, Come on.

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Speaker 1: You got up.

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Speaker 15: You gotta be in You gotta know the steps, you

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Speaker 15: gotta know the q's, you gotta know the sections.

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Speaker 6: You got to be in control. So yes, so you

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Speaker 6: know the gangster of what a drum major is.

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Speaker 15: I became a drum major freshman year, and that usually

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Speaker 15: never happens. You got to be in the gym. Not

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Speaker 15: the gym, but you got to be in a band

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Speaker 15: for at least two years to do that. Because I

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Speaker 15: tried out and I made it, and so I was

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Speaker 15: a freshman drum major, and so you know, of course

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Speaker 15: I had to be very strong because you have people

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Speaker 15: in the band, like what seven years, they ain't graduated.

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Speaker 6: Maybe they want to just be in a band. So yeah,

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Speaker 6: it was. It was a very cool experience.

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Speaker 15: But I learned so much music, so so many amazing

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Speaker 15: things that you can learn.

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Speaker 6: You learn how to survive at HBCU.

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Speaker 15: You of course get your education, but you learn how

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Speaker 15: to make a way out of no way.

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Speaker 1: Right, And that's really important.

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Speaker 4: You said that because I don't want to because we

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Speaker 4: talk about HBCUs and I want to go back to

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Speaker 4: that brunching band experience because that's the cornerstone of what

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Speaker 4: HBCUs are known for.

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Speaker 1: And you know we know about sports with the.

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Speaker 4: Band, so they have to show and then you then

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Speaker 4: you canstly throw out to HBCU. Well, you know I

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Speaker 4: did undergrad a uh Mission Valden State, and then I

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Speaker 4: did grant in Jackson State where Dion Sanders got a

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Speaker 4: two oh tann it up all on the front base

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Speaker 4: of ESPN.

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Speaker 1: They undefeated everything.

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Speaker 4: Man, you have to be in Mission Vali State home

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Speaker 4: Hall of fameer Jared Rice. Man, you have to be brother.

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Speaker 4: You gotta have some HBCU photos around your house. It's

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Speaker 4: it's a great time for HBCU.

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Speaker 6: I had my degrees.

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Speaker 15: But the funny thing is coach Totter and he was

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Speaker 15: at my He used to coach at my high school

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Speaker 15: at Eastside highe and in Cleveland. And then when I

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Speaker 15: went into I think Heath left and went to Valley State.

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Speaker 15: So I marched into tight End Ross Rice Stadium on

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Speaker 15: a weekly basis. So just the just the love and

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Speaker 15: the energy that I got from there. And then of

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Speaker 15: course it was so funny because you know a lot

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Speaker 15: of people was like, you shouldn't go to two HBCUs.

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Speaker 15: You should go to undergrad at one and then maybe

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Speaker 15: you should go to old Mess or something.

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Speaker 6: But I was like, no, I'm gonna stick. I'm gonna

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Speaker 6: stick with my HBCU.

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Speaker 15: I'm gonna lose Jackson State because you know, they say

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Speaker 15: you won't look upon as a serious.

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Speaker 6: College shooting if you went to two HBCUs.

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Speaker 15: So, thank god out and listened to quote unquote day

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Speaker 15: whoever they are.

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Speaker 6: You know, it's always a date. They said this, they

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Speaker 6: said that.

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Speaker 15: But thank god I didn't listen to them, because I

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Speaker 15: learned a lot at Jackson State as well, and I

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Speaker 15: graduated from grad school at the age of twenty one.

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Speaker 6: I came out here and got right.

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Speaker 15: Into the whole background standing and everything.

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Speaker 6: So yeah, it's been a journey. I'm just blessed.

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Speaker 1: Now you got a small guy. You're over six feet.

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Speaker 6: Right, I'm six feet five and a half.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so.

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Speaker 16: That's the other thing you are see you on another level,

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Speaker 16: you know a lot, because you know, a drum major

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Speaker 16: has to be at least six feet tall, and I

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Speaker 16: don't understand that for the A and M.

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Speaker 15: When I first saw them, those dudes one was like

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Speaker 15: six nine, right, Because people have to see you during

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Speaker 15: your day.

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Speaker 6: I'm like, okay, cool, but.

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Speaker 15: They had after I left, they got a drum major

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Speaker 15: that he was like five to two or something.

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Speaker 6: But you have to be tall, so people, But then

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Speaker 6: you also have to be able to.

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Speaker 1: Be tall and move and fluid and fluid.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, the reason I'm saying that because see, you know,

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Speaker 4: because college prepares you so so many things. And I'm

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Speaker 4: just gonna read I'm saying that as a freshman, you

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Speaker 4: was a drum major at an HBCU Mississis Valley State.

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Speaker 1: Okay, right there.

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Speaker 4: You know the amount of confidence is overwhelming in a

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Speaker 4: sense because you were blessed to be able to believe

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Speaker 4: in yourself. Because now you're taking that same courage, the

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Speaker 4: same I've been out, I've been there before, i've been

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Speaker 4: in front, I've been tested to l a and you

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Speaker 4: achieving a.

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Speaker 1: Lot of success.

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Speaker 4: Like I said, man, and I love what you said

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Speaker 4: when people told you, hey, man, don't do back to back.

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Speaker 1: HBC used people drop in trying.

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Speaker 4: That's why always say up the front, don't let nobody

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Speaker 4: get in your dreams of playing your future. Not your family, friends, coworkers, nobody.

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Speaker 4: That's why I always said it up top and you

662
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 4: speak the truth right now.

663
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 15: I'm telling you because if you let anybody put the

664
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Speaker 15: price on you, everybody love a clearance cell, they always

665
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 15: gonna cheat you. So never let anybody tell you what

666
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 15: you can't do. And if you if they tell you no,

667
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 15: you just speaking to the wrong person. So go found

668
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 15: that person and figure it out. But like you said,

669
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Speaker 15: HBCUs taught me a lot. It taught me drive, It

670
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 15: taught me focused, and it taught me never to take

671
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 15: no for an answer.

672
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 6: And always there's always a will.

673
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Speaker 15: Where there's a will, there's a way, and hard work

674
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 15: always pays off. So even when I got here, I

675
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 15: wasn't thinking like, oh, I'm gonna get discovered at the

676
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 15: gas station, I was like, Okay, where do I need?

677
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 15: I know there's work to do. Where do I need

678
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 15: to do? Where do I need to go to get

679
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 15: that work to make sure I'm where I'm supposed to be.

680
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 15: And I went Scott to acting classes and everything else,

681
00:31:58,240 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 15: and the rest is history.

682
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 4: And the cool part about when we're talking here about

683
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 4: your career, about going through this whole process of defining you.

684
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 4: And that's what I love about when I try to

685
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 4: bring people on the show, like my my My show

686
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 4: airs on YouTube air zon iHeart, but it also airs

687
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 4: on nine HBCU Campuses intentionally intentionally and uh. And so

688
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 4: when we talk about you man and representing and your philanthropy,

689
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 4: because we're gonna go, we're gonna get talking about my

690
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 4: Little Black Book. Of course, we're gonna talk about be positive.

691
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 4: But I really wanted to talk about you because you

692
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 4: an inspiration. Brother, You're the inspiration and the very well

693
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 4: timed inspiration. And and I want to go to the

694
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 4: famous commercial because you six five now as motar, you

695
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 4: don't look six five.

696
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 1: You look by five too because you ain't got no

697
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 1: leak you.

698
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 6: It's right here too, I said.

699
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 15: I said, yeah, the motore of it all.

700
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Speaker 6: And it's so funny.

701
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 15: I love the way that you say confidence because I

702
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 15: felt like I had a lot of confidence growing up.

703
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 15: And that's why I wrote these books like Blackie came

704
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 15: from me not liking my skin color, right, And so

705
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 15: I say all that to say when I went out

706
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 15: for the moto, I was like, I'm.

707
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 6: Not doing this. This is crazy. They're not going to

708
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 6: pick me.

709
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 7: Why Me?

710
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 6: And my best friend Jamel, he was like, tee, you

711
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 6: gotta go.

712
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 15: It was rain to la and something like, they don't

713
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 15: be driving like gremlins in the rain. I'm not going

714
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 15: to be driving like forty minutes outside. So I was, okay,

715
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 15: let me just do it. And I went there and

716
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 15: I did it and I got the callback and the

717
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 15: director was so amazing. The first thing he did he

718
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 15: stood up, and that was unusual. He stood up and

719
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 15: came to me before I auditioned and gave me a handshake,

720
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 15: looked me in my eyes and told me that there

721
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 15: was only a couple of people I can see, and

722
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 15: you was one that I knew I needed to see

723
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 15: because of your confidence.

724
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 6: And I'm like, oh, but there's a reason for everything.

725
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:51,719
Speaker 15: So if I didn't go through all the craziness and

726
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 15: you know, the losses and getting all those l's and

727
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 15: then having to grow, I would have not been the

728
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 15: person I was, and you know the man who I

729
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 15: am now to actually even get into the motoire of

730
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 15: it all because they said he exudes confidence, and to me,

731
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 15: I was like, oh, I'm just being myself, right, yeah,

732
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 15: because you have to be confident. You have man, have motorcycle.

733
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 15: You're really looking like, who's looking at who are you?

734
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 15: In his word or in the our world. But it's

735
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 15: all that. But we got some amazing ones coming up

736
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 15: on the fifteenth. Okay, you guys want to see a

737
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 15: way more of his personality.

738
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 4: Okay, cool, Well, well let me know because I'm gonna

739
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,240
Speaker 4: dropped that on my social and my news my weekly

740
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 4: news letter too, you know, because I will honor you,

741
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 4: especially with the fact that you know, I knew in

742
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,919
Speaker 4: your bio is only mentions Mississippi Valley State.

743
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 1: So I got to really honor you.

744
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:43,320
Speaker 4: You you're you're too tied HBCU, you know, so that's

745
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 4: the love.

746
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 1: I got to give you a name.

747
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 4: But that's all I was just saying earlier, is that

748
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 4: is that because HBCU and you being the drum made

749
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 4: that prepared you and a lot of people trivialize things

750
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 4: when it becomes part of your personality, part of your

751
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 4: success story.

752
00:34:57,640 --> 00:34:59,320
Speaker 1: And that's all that guy was saying when he walked

753
00:34:59,360 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 1: up to you.

754
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 4: He's and you're confident and it has been so built

755
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 4: into you going out there, going out knowing what you

756
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 4: had to do.

757
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,839
Speaker 1: Yes, since you since you was a freshman, knowing what

758
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 1: you had to give.

759
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 4: Now I was like, okay, you come to March, I

760
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 4: tell you I'm telling you, I'm telling you you don't

761
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:23,839
Speaker 4: mess with me, mister Terrence Terret. But you ain't gonna

762
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 4: do is mess with me, brother, what ain't gonna do

763
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 4: because because the beauty of you, man is that is

764
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 4: when I when I look at your career. You know,

765
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 4: we're going to Barshall, Amazon, you know, a batwoman, you know,

766
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 4: the First Wives Club, you know, comedy, you know, and

767
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 4: then you plan.

768
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 1: A character that's not real.

769
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,760
Speaker 4: You're seeing through it, but you make it real because

770
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 4: I was remember I told my wife, I.

771
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 1: Said, baby, I was like, look at I'm gona interview Moti.

772
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,959
Speaker 1: She said. I said, the black dude who's half man

773
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Speaker 1: half see.

774
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 7: That phon.

775
00:35:58,960 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 6: Get it then.

776
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 15: And it's been such a blessing because the funny thing

777
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 15: is the grown men. I see grown men now they

778
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 15: go crazy about it. So a lot of people think

779
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:10,919
Speaker 15: I'm Lebron James. When I have my mask, a guy

780
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:13,320
Speaker 15: follows and I always get like a random person follow

781
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:14,439
Speaker 15: me through the grocery store.

782
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 6: The guy followed me. I was like, oh, here we

783
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 6: go again, and he said King James, and I took

784
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:19,839
Speaker 6: my mask off.

785
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 15: I said no. Lastly I did take it off. I

786
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 15: said no, he just stood there like, let me see.

787
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 15: I took my mask off and he screamed, you're the

788
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 15: motor I was like, oh my god.

789
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:32,799
Speaker 6: So he wouldn't leave. I took a biture with him.

790
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 15: But it's like you get the big motorcycle guys, the

791
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 15: tattools and the beers, Oh my god, you're.

792
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 6: The motoy, You're the motoor so it's so cool.

793
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 15: So it's just a blessing to be, you know't I

794
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 15: would never thought, you know, you come out here, you

795
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 15: just think you want to do one thing. I just

796
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 15: want to be on a show, or just one show,

797
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 15: Give me one show. And that year I was like,

798
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 15: just give me one commercial, right, and I ended up

799
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 15: doing five and two days, and then now it's up

800
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:01,879
Speaker 15: till almost twenty eight commercials with amazing consul. It's all,

801
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 15: it's just all been amazing riding. I think I know

802
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:09,360
Speaker 15: the reason I'm blessed because I continue to give even.

803
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 6: When I may not even have.

804
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 15: But at the same time, I know how specialists to

805
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 15: be in in space, so I never take anything for granted.

806
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 15: Every time I pull on that w B lot I

807
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 15: used to watch that when I was a child, So

808
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 15: pulling onto those gates every day of the week. It's

809
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 15: like I really just I just know I'm blessed, and

810
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:26,839
Speaker 15: I know you.

811
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 4: Know, I've been there, man, when I'm doing Jamie Fox,

812
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,399
Speaker 4: you know, pull it up on there, man. And because

813
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 4: very few people are allowed that gate. Brother, you know that,

814
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 4: you know, you walk in their gates. Very few of us,

815
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 4: you know, in those gates. And so I've been on

816
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:43,320
Speaker 4: Paramount Lot, w B Lot, you know all the Sony lots,

817
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 4: you know, all those lots. Man, when they say your

818
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 4: name and then you come on there so much, I'll

819
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 4: go on by Terrence, you know.

820
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 1: That's when you go, yeah, man, this is just.

821
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 4: The feeling I want to keep, just the feeling I

822
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 4: want to have because that's that's that's a very small club, Taranty,

823
00:37:58,640 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 4: and you know.

824
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 15: This about club and it's even with the show these

825
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 15: this is a real life and it feels so good

826
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 15: because every character that I've been blessed to play it's

827
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 15: a mirror to real people. And my grandmother was going

828
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,720
Speaker 15: to dialysis dressed like Diana Ross and she will always

829
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 15: say she's making dialysis.

830
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 6: Entertaining, and I'm like, hot, that, what's what?

831
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 15: And so now I'm literally making dialysis, educating people every week,

832
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:24,359
Speaker 15: but making it entertaining as well. So it's all it's

833
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 15: it's but at the same time, I know it's a responsibility.

834
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 15: So even walking I may be going too deep, but

835
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:32,400
Speaker 15: even walking on there, I'm like, wow, Like the Sydney

836
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 15: Poitiers and all these amazing people paved the way for

837
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 15: me to be here. So I take every day very

838
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 15: very serious. And I tell you I'm in the space

839
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:42,879
Speaker 15: to allow more space for us.

840
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 4: Absolutely, and you have to because you know, and you

841
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 4: know the reason I really enjoyed talking to you. You know,

842
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 4: first of all, I want to congratulate you on the

843
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,319
Speaker 4: daytime Emmy, I was standing support the actor in the

844
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:57,240
Speaker 4: Digital Drivers and you know I'm talking about I'm cheating.

845
00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:59,840
Speaker 4: And I tell people all the time, I introduced a

846
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 4: lot a lot of people.

847
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 1: They'll say, nominated five times, nominated for an Image Award.

848
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying.

849
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 1: So I know, dude, when you win one, you best.

850
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 15: Put that in your bio because it's rare, amazing. They

851
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 15: got to be like Emmy Award because you know, I'm

852
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:21,360
Speaker 15: still very humble, So I'm like, you want to I'm like,

853
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,800
Speaker 15: oh yeah, yeah. When I get introduced Emmy Award Wight Actor,

854
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 15: it's like, oh, okay, I'm teching.

855
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 4: I can't I interview a lot of people nominated for

856
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 4: a Grammy, now nominated for an Emmy.

857
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 1: Dude, I said, I'm teaching. You had the longest biyo

858
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:42,399
Speaker 1: I've ever read. But I said, I got to tell

859
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 1: everybody's story. I'm not. I'm not gonna leave anything out.

860
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna short change you because I knew you,

861
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 4: I knew a sense of I don't know you personally,

862
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 4: but your journey needs to be told. And when I

863
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:57,360
Speaker 4: when I see these things, like you know, daytime in

864
00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 4: me in a drama series, I said, hold what you tell,

865
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Speaker 4: don't don't don't, don't, don't slaunch that. I introduced too

866
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Speaker 4: many people in this show to say nominated as a

867
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Speaker 4: credit Okay, he's one.

868
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 1: Okay.

869
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 4: And so because I did that too, I remember, I

870
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 4: remember I actually lost one of my Image Awards. You know,

871
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 4: I lost it. You know what I'm saying because I

872
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 4: didn't understand. My head was down, just grinding, grinding, grinding.

873
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 4: So so I tell people I want two images. I

874
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:26,399
Speaker 4: won three Image Awards, but I all lost one because

875
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 4: I don't know where it's at, you know. And now

876
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,360
Speaker 4: I'm mad because when I won that, because I was

877
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:33,839
Speaker 4: the first one I won, and I didn't feel to

878
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:37,839
Speaker 4: see the value in it until now. So when you

879
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 4: said mine's right there, hey brother, you damn writer is

880
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 4: right there because you want it.

881
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:46,320
Speaker 15: You keeps me humble though, because even after I wanted

882
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:47,799
Speaker 15: my manager Kayle and she was.

883
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 6: She drove me home because I was tired. I was

884
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:50,879
Speaker 6: on eight planes that week.

885
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:53,359
Speaker 15: I just wrapped up a show I was doing at

886
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 15: four am and Atlanta. I got on a plane at six,

887
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 15: got here at twelve, got dressed, got on this on

888
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 15: this red car, it one Emmy, and came right back

889
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 15: home and went to sleep, and got back on the

890
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 15: plane and left the next day.

891
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 6: So it was it was a whirlwind.

892
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 15: And I remember being in a car where her we're

893
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 15: driving and she's like, and I'm the Emmy's hue, just

894
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 15: like this big It's clue and it came in a

895
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:17,319
Speaker 15: huge box and she's like, you know, you gotta work

896
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 15: even harder now. And I'm like, can I just get

897
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 15: a couple of seconds to just breathe? And she's like, no,

898
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 15: You're gonna have to work even harder because people are

899
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 15: gonna think that you think you don't have to audition

900
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 15: or do anything else, And I'm like, oh no, never that,

901
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 15: But that comes from the HBCU mindset, you know what

902
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 15: I mean. It's like, okay, cool, thank you so much.

903
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,399
Speaker 15: We got that, but we there's so much more to go.

904
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 1: I'm talking to the star, Terrence Terrell, you know double

905
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 1: HBCU are you know? Star?

906
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:48,800
Speaker 4: The series Be Positive with CBS, produced by the incredible

907
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 4: Chuck Laurie. Just just just google his name, you go.

908
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 4: This brother's blessed. Terears to Reil is blessed, and he's

909
00:41:56,200 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 4: also the infamous Black people. Listen up, dad, he's tall.

910
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 4: But let's talk about your character.

911
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 1: Be Positive man. You know you're an athlete.

912
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 4: You know that really kind of like been humbled by

913
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:13,320
Speaker 4: this but being on dialysis talk about it because you really,

914
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 4: you know, when these characters, you know, where they have

915
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 4: a lot of lines a lot, are not a lot

916
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 4: or not, you still have to be able to, you know,

917
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:23,879
Speaker 4: give a range and give a thought process to where

918
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 4: that character's at is. You already got the natural bill,

919
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,280
Speaker 4: so you look like an athlete. In fact, you actually

920
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:34,759
Speaker 4: carried the lead out of one episode. I said, how

921
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 4: small is this guy?

922
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 1: Eighty pounds?

923
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 15: Was so funny because they say you got pig Bob

924
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:41,399
Speaker 15: so literally, I wasn't trying to, like, I didn't know

925
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 15: until I watched it. I threw him up in the air.

926
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 15: But when I saw it, I'm like, oh, I threw

927
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 15: him in there. But it's so funny because in high

928
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 15: school and you know, you go through these different things,

929
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 15: and I was skinny in my head, always been in

930
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 15: side since I was fired, right, I always looked like

931
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:03,439
Speaker 15: looking things. So I started gaining weight and getting bigger.

932
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 15: I got hit one time playing football in high school

933
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 15: and I quit. I never played, so now so ironic,

934
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 15: I get a football role and then I get to,

935
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 15: you know, shine a light on my grandmother's actual journey

936
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 15: through dialysis. And like you said, it's it's a lot

937
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 15: of work in multi cam. I've done single cam, I've

938
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 15: done drama. Those are literally a walking apart compared to

939
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 15: multi camp Multai cam.

940
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 6: I'm on set.

941
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 15: We're practicing Monday through Wednesday, and then we shoot Wednesday night.

942
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 6: We shoot Thursday and Friday.

943
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 15: So you're working and you're acting from your toes all

944
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 15: the way up to your head, so you're exhausted that night.

945
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 15: So it's a whole different type of sport. Yeah, it's

946
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 15: a sport. Multi cam is like going to the Olympics.

947
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:48,720
Speaker 15: It's like you have to especially if there's a live audience,

948
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 15: So you have to make the joke, pull the joke

949
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:52,800
Speaker 15: because you got to think about when people laugh. You

950
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 15: got to come back into the next line with the

951
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 15: same energy that you left off without dropping.

952
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:02,360
Speaker 4: It's a lot, right, because I've done multics, you know,

953
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 4: wrote and produced Jamie Fox Sister Sister, so I.

954
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 1: Know it's a lot of work.

955
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 4: And even if you're not in that moment on camera,

956
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:11,840
Speaker 4: you got to stay there because the camera's on you.

957
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:13,280
Speaker 1: And then why shot?

958
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:20,919
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think I was gonna said last week.

959
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:24,399
Speaker 15: But we did three weeks straight, usually two weeks on,

960
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 15: two weeks.

961
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 6: One week all. We did three weeks straight. And I

962
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:28,440
Speaker 6: was doing my scene.

963
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 15: With Annelie and they said, okay, hold Terrence, move for

964
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 15: the light.

965
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 6: I said, her life. She's like, no, tee, there's two

966
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 6: cameras over.

967
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:40,399
Speaker 1: Let's talk about your book.

968
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 6: Man.

969
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 1: I don't want to leave this interview without talking about Yeah.

970
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 15: So, like I said, you know, we go through these things,

971
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 15: and we we forget how we got where we are.

972
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 15: And I feel like you never can forget where you

973
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 15: You have to see where you were to know where

974
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 15: you're going. So when I first started these books, I

975
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 15: was very you know, in the South, don't go to therapy,

976
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 15: we go to church. So I end up going to

977
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 15: therapy getting some stuff out. And I realized that I

978
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 15: had a lot of insecurities from childhood.

979
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 6: So I didn't like my skin color. I told you

980
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 6: about that story.

981
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:12,479
Speaker 15: So then I wrote a book about a little dark

982
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:16,879
Speaker 15: boy who launch what Melanie is. It's called Blackie, which

983
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,399
Speaker 15: I've been called, but I turned into the acronym means

984
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,840
Speaker 15: beloving or doing Karen and coind of yourself about loving yourself,

985
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 15: so for little black boys, showing them that they're kings.

986
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 15: And then I wrote the second one after my mother

987
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 15: pathed to she's superheroes every day. It educates us on DNA.

988
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 15: Then the fourth third book, right Here we Go. Then

989
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 15: the Crown kids were bringing all the kids together, and

990
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 15: then this last book happened after the George Floyd I

991
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 15: was I'm a mentor for Miss Tina Knowles lost and

992
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:50,360
Speaker 15: and mister Richard Tina's Angels and Richard's Warriors, and we

993
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 15: had the week of George Floyd. The kids we meet

994
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 15: with them every Monday, and they were crying, like just

995
00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:59,879
Speaker 15: imagine eighty kids in a zoom call. You see these

996
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 15: windows and you can't touch them and hug them and

997
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 15: let them know it's gonna be okay because of the pandemic.

998
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:06,880
Speaker 6: And they were crying, and I'm turning my chair. I'm crying,

999
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 6: as Tina's crying.

1000
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 15: Everybody's crying, and the Asian one of the little girls,

1001
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:12,799
Speaker 15: just like, are they'll kill me because of mom?

1002
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:13,280
Speaker 6: I'm black?

1003
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 15: You know? Am I gonna be on the news and

1004
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 15: get shot down because I'm black? And I just remember

1005
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 15: leaving a meeting like what I'm not doing enough?

1006
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:22,320
Speaker 6: I'm not doing enough. I need to show them that

1007
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 6: they're special, you know.

1008
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:26,799
Speaker 15: And skin Deep came up where when I try to

1009
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:29,320
Speaker 15: wash my skin color off, and so that's when I

1010
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 15: knew animated short that we're going up on Oscar for

1011
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 15: and then my Little Black Book where I'm educating the

1012
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 15: kids on different things like you know, the sell of

1013
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 15: the marsh but also all these amazing inventors, you know,

1014
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 15: where how in the world would literally be dark, you know,

1015
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,439
Speaker 15: because we were responsible for the light bulb as well.

1016
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 6: So my little Black book. So it's a series of

1017
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 6: book and the whole brand.

1018
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 15: It's called I Crown Me because we don't need to

1019
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:56,799
Speaker 15: wait for anybody to tell us we're special. You crown

1020
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,959
Speaker 15: yourself and you tell yourself you're special because in the book,

1021
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 15: the kids don't get any special powers. The power comes

1022
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 15: from self love and self work. At the same time,

1023
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 15: I knew I had to own it, so I own

1024
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:10,880
Speaker 15: all my books, self published them, so I own them

1025
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 15: right out.

1026
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 6: So money, money making conversations.

1027
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 15: Right, You got to know my ownership because we don't

1028
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 15: get top half of the stuff that other people already

1029
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 15: know from birth, you know what I mean. I didn't

1030
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:23,840
Speaker 15: even know what investment account was until a couple of

1031
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 15: days ago. I'm still learning, but we just have to

1032
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:28,279
Speaker 15: open our minds to different things.

1033
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:30,440
Speaker 1: Now, how can we get these books? Is it on

1034
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 1: your website or how.

1035
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:35,319
Speaker 15: We Yeah, here we go money making conversations, right, So

1036
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 15: you go to icrown me dot com, which is my website.

1037
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 15: At first, I wanted to be on Amazon all these

1038
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 15: other stuff, but Amazon takes fifty to seventy percent of

1039
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 15: your money if you sell on there. So I'm like, no,

1040
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 15: So I saw one hundred and something books there and

1041
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 15: I remember getting a check for less than two hundred dollars. Right,

1042
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:55,840
Speaker 15: this is my work. Why am I giving you seventy

1043
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:57,759
Speaker 15: percent of my work? And all y'all doing is put

1044
00:47:57,760 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 15: on a website. So I was like, let me do

1045
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 15: my own way, wesite. Make sure it's you know, efficient

1046
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:04,360
Speaker 15: and so and plus I like to sign each book

1047
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 15: and let the kids know that I see them physically.

1048
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 15: It's a lot of work, but I did it that

1049
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 15: way so I can own my own stuff. And now

1050
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 15: with these conversations coming up this week with dream Works

1051
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 15: and all these amazing people who want to buy into

1052
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 15: my books or create the series out of it, it's

1053
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 15: just me. I don't have to worry about a room

1054
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 15: full of people who own part of my work.

1055
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:26,839
Speaker 6: It's just me. I own everything, all the way down

1056
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:27,839
Speaker 6: to the eyebrows.

1057
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 4: I love it, man, And you know, the beauty of

1058
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 4: this interview, man is just talking about a self built person.

1059
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, motivated by and not denied

1060
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 4: by who you are, because we all get those those

1061
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 4: those people who those people who try to I call

1062
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 4: them a step in to your dream and make it

1063
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 4: an ugly experience.

1064
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 1: And you're saying right now.

1065
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 4: Your sizeouldn't go to stop here, where you was born,

1066
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 4: wouldn't go to stop you.

1067
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 1: Your color, your skin wasn't going to stop you. Then

1068
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:57,279
Speaker 1: you flip the switch and you're there for people who

1069
00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 1: don't look like you.

1070
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, we have to we have to give it back.

1071
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:06,399
Speaker 15: And we can't fight this these crazy times with hate.

1072
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 15: We can't fight the quote unquote racist with hate. We

1073
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 15: have to fight them with love and education. So you

1074
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 15: can't fought somebody for being ignorant to a subject, you

1075
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 15: know what I mean. We can educate them on that subject,

1076
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:23,320
Speaker 15: and after you do what you After I give your information,

1077
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 15: you do what you want with it.

1078
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 6: But I've done my part in this moment. So we

1079
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 6: just have to leave with love.

1080
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:30,319
Speaker 15: And I really really believe in that and everything that

1081
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 15: you're going through, know that's happening for a reason. So

1082
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:36,359
Speaker 15: the single mom, being on welfare, food stamps, all that

1083
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 15: stuff built character for me. Now, so I know that

1084
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 15: all of that happened for a reason. So you have

1085
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 15: to walk and cry. You don't get to sit and cry.

1086
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:47,280
Speaker 15: You gotta walk and cry CBS.

1087
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:50,319
Speaker 1: Be positive. That's the perfect name for who you are. Brother.

1088
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:51,400
Speaker 1: You are positive.

1089
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:55,400
Speaker 4: When I just said it and just looked at you smiling,

1090
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:57,359
Speaker 4: when keep it could be on the better show?

1091
00:49:57,480 --> 00:49:59,800
Speaker 1: This associated with your brand? Man, could you positive?

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Speaker 4: and Rebecca Naomi Jones. They acclaimed actresses and singers co

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Speaker 4: starring the cast of Genius Aretha as Irma and Carolyn Franklin.

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Speaker 4: My oldest sister's name is Carolyn, so I love Carolyn.

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Speaker 4: Patrise Covington is an Emmy Award winning actress, singer, teacher

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Speaker 4: Arthur and model.

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Speaker 1: Rebecca Naomi Jones. It's currently featured in those.

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Speaker 4: Nissun Row twenty twenty one national campaign. You've seen that

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Speaker 4: tearing up stuff. She is also performing in solo concerts

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Speaker 4: at Lincoln Center, American Soul Book, and Apollo Cafe.

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Speaker 1: They're dynamic in this series Genius.

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Speaker 4: I saw it in this compelling and I've lived that

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Speaker 4: lifestyle from a musical set. And let's tell you about

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Speaker 4: a little background what the Genius series is all about.

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Speaker 4: It's an Emmy Award wind anthology series where they dramatize

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Speaker 4: the fascinating stories behind brilliant innovators. In this case was

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Speaker 4: Aretha Franklin and these two young ladies. I won't say

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Speaker 4: they're young because they're younger than me, and hope they're

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Speaker 4: out offended by the determined young ladies as they're being

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Speaker 4: cast in the role of playing of Aretha's sisters, which

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Speaker 4: can be.

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Speaker 1: Very frustrating in life.

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Speaker 4: You know, it's like being the sister the brother to

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Speaker 4: Tiger Woods or Lebron Jays and still participating in that sport.

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Speaker 4: So because both of them are talented singers, and in

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Speaker 4: a sense it was to me as I introduced them,

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Speaker 4: and if there were many layers of stories that I.

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Speaker 1: Could love to go back and just hear their story.

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Speaker 4: I can go back and just hear a story about

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Speaker 4: cl Aretha's father, but this story is about Ritha and

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Speaker 4: her genius. Please welcome to the Money Making Conversations, Patrise

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Speaker 4: Covington and Rebecca Naomi.

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Speaker 20: Jones, thank you, thank you for having us.

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, first of all, this first time we talked.

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Speaker 4: But when you see seven episodes in the series is

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Speaker 4: eight episodes, you tend to see and and and first

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Speaker 4: of all, be engaged by the talent, the singing talent.

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Speaker 4: Let's let's start there, because that's a gift God gave you.

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Speaker 4: And in this series, you know, I'm trying to figure

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Speaker 4: out are they singing?

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Speaker 1: They live singing? We are they really singing?

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Speaker 4: When you start, I felt when you were in that

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Speaker 4: scene where y'all were standing next to the piano and

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Speaker 4: you were playing it and you were singing, I felt

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Speaker 4: that you guys were actually singing that moment.

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Speaker 1: And was I right or wrong?

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Speaker 3: You're right?

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Speaker 4: So so And in a series where there is so

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Speaker 4: driven by singing, how did these audition opportunities come up

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Speaker 4: to you?

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Speaker 7: Guys?

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Speaker 4: put up and go okay, wow. I was part of that.

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Speaker 4: Because it is an amazing anthology series and it plays

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Speaker 4: out over a series of time. You have to age

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Speaker 4: a little bit, you have to be a little younger

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Speaker 4: than what you really are. So starting with you, Rebecca,

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Speaker 4: talk about the whole process of coming on board.

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Speaker 6: Sure.

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Speaker 21: I remember that the audition came to my table at

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Speaker 21: a time when I had a whole lot of other

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Speaker 21: auditions showing up as well. It must have been pilot season,

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Speaker 21: because it was a really busy time and this was

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Speaker 21: the only one that I had this particular week that

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Speaker 21: was a taped audition instead of a live in person

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Speaker 21: audition with casting, And I remember I felt really swamped,

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Speaker 21: and my boyfriend said, maybe you shouldn't do this one

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Speaker 21: because it says Carolyn is tall.

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Speaker 3: But you know, something told me that.

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Speaker 21: I should make the tape happen because I saw that

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Speaker 21: Susan Loriie Parks was attached to it, and she I've

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Speaker 21: known for many years in theater, and because I knew

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Speaker 21: that the role required somebody who could sing and so

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Speaker 21: I thought, there are a couple of things that are

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Speaker 21: not my height that could potentially give me a leg

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Speaker 21: up into this work. And you know, I actually said

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Speaker 21: this to someone earlier today. What I loved was that

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Speaker 21: I didn't know anything about Carolyn Franklin or Irma Franklin

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Speaker 21: before getting to work on this material. And I loved

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Speaker 21: the audition scene because it was a long scene that

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Speaker 21: took place during Aretha Franklin's fiftieth birthday, and it's between

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Speaker 21: the two sisters, and just this scene between the two

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00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:13,360
Speaker 21: of them gives you so much information about these sisters,

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Speaker 21: but also their relationship with Aretha, and their relationship with

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Speaker 21: their father and their family as a whole. And you

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Speaker 21: get a sense in this material of how much they

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00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 21: love each other and love their sister, but also.

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Speaker 3: That there is a lot.

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Speaker 21: Of resentment and bitterness and complexity that is present in

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Speaker 21: all relationships and all families.

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Speaker 20: So yeah, it was a really fun audition to do.

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Speaker 21: And I got to do an a cappella version of

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Speaker 21: rock Steady, which is one of my favorite Aretha.

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Speaker 3: Songs, and yes, yes, yes, and yeah, so it was

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Speaker 3: a great time.

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Speaker 21: And then I got to do my screen test in person,

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Speaker 21: and it was a lot of fun, and you know,

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Speaker 21: I was hoping I got the job, but of course

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Speaker 21: I felt like the audition experience itself was actually so

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Speaker 21: satisfying that if I didn't, I did my best and

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Speaker 21: I would let it go.

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Speaker 8: And I left out Patrice.

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Speaker 4: Now, you know, let's not be casual about this when

1258
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:15,920
Speaker 4: you say singing. Now see, you had to sing the

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Speaker 4: saing saying, as they said in the in the Black Household,

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Speaker 4: you could sign girl or sig.

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Speaker 1: Because because at points, you know, like I said, this

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00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:25,960
Speaker 1: movie wasn't based on lip sinking. You know, you had

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Speaker 1: to deliver.

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Speaker 4: And then also you had to deliver a level as

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Speaker 4: to why these ladies could be somewhat jealous of not

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00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:37,720
Speaker 4: getting the same opportunities that Areta was getting.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you know, y'all equally.

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Speaker 4: Attractive, you know, but she had a certain extra in her.

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Speaker 4: So talk about your audition practice and bringing that character

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Speaker 4: of Irma to the to the stage.

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Speaker 22: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Sure. So I also loved that audition singing Rebecca.

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Speaker 23: It was such a good one and it really pulled

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Speaker 23: me and pulled in my interest.

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Speaker 3: Well, I was also interested in all.

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Speaker 23: Jobs at the time, I wasn't interested in but I

1277
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:09,320
Speaker 23: was particularly interested in this one because at the time

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Speaker 23: I was actually on tour singing background for Christina Aguilera.

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00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:16,640
Speaker 23: We were in Vegas and I was in a Las

1280
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:19,680
Speaker 23: Vegas hotel room. It was a very hectic time, much

1281
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:22,600
Speaker 23: like Rebecca. Mine was just that we were hers so

1282
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:26,680
Speaker 23: much and we were traveling so much. I had no time,

1283
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:28,600
Speaker 23: like zero time at all to get this done. I

1284
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:30,560
Speaker 23: had no idea. And I'm also on the road with

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Speaker 23: band guys. How am I going to get this done?

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Speaker 23: You know, Like they don't know how to do a

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Speaker 23: self taped audition, you know. And so thankfully one of

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Speaker 23: my background singing partners, he has a wife who was

1289
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:45,800
Speaker 23: an actress, and she had trained him up to know

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Speaker 23: how to do a self tape. So I was like,

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Speaker 23: please help me, and he helped me.

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Speaker 3: We did it.

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Speaker 23: It's probably the quickest audition I've ever done, because I

1294
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:57,200
Speaker 23: just simply didn't have the time to analyze.

1295
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Speaker 3: And critique, like why did I do that?

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Speaker 23: And I wish I wouldn't have looked that way, and

1297
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:02,280
Speaker 23: oh my god, my hair looks dumb or whatever. I

1298
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Speaker 23: didn't have time to do those things because I was

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Speaker 23: so busy and so with all that being said, it

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Speaker 23: was the most evident and most clear time that I've

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Speaker 23: ever had something be what's for me is just for me.

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Speaker 23: It would never have passed me by because I didn't

1303
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Speaker 23: have to, you know, analyze and do the most with

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Speaker 23: this tape. So you know, I am forever grateful. This

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Speaker 23: is my very first time on TV period pact and role.

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Speaker 23: I've done other things like you know, promos for Broadway

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Speaker 23: shows and such, but this is my first time on

1308
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:38,200
Speaker 23: camera and I'm forever grateful for this moment.

1309
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Speaker 4: Oh, you stepped out there, girl, and I the beautiful

1310
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:44,640
Speaker 4: smile you stepped out there. Now in this series, Now, Carolyn,

1311
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:47,760
Speaker 4: your character really wanted to be Aretha. I like to

1312
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:51,760
Speaker 4: believe you you really challenged the norm because the dad

1313
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:54,439
Speaker 4: who was cl who was known as the million dollar

1314
01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:59,360
Speaker 4: voice in Detroit, saw her as the as the prodigy.

1315
01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:03,280
Speaker 1: He's are is the one and the legacy builder.

1316
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:07,080
Speaker 4: Now in building out these characters, because you have to

1317
01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:09,880
Speaker 4: kind of have a sense of background information and where

1318
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:11,720
Speaker 4: you're going to take the character and not overstep what

1319
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:15,720
Speaker 4: the characters is to deliver what you wanted to compete naturally.

1320
01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:18,600
Speaker 1: Talk about that process and making it real.

1321
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:24,360
Speaker 21: Well, I think you know, as an actress of a

1322
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:25,840
Speaker 21: certain level who has.

1323
01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:28,560
Speaker 3: You know, done a lot.

1324
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Speaker 21: Of exciting roles on Broadway and done some versions of

1325
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:37,920
Speaker 21: some some levels of roles on TV and film, but

1326
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Speaker 21: is still in the process of.

1327
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:41,520
Speaker 20: You know, building a career.

1328
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Speaker 6: Right.

1329
01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:45,000
Speaker 20: I think a lot of what both Patrise.

1330
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:48,760
Speaker 21: And I were tasked to portray is something that comes

1331
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:51,919
Speaker 21: naturally for us because it is such a journey when

1332
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:54,640
Speaker 21: you believe you have something inside of you to offer,

1333
01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:59,280
Speaker 21: and in some ways that dream is you know, that

1334
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:02,040
Speaker 21: dream is happy for you, it's it's coming true, and

1335
01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:05,880
Speaker 21: in some ways you're still sort of building it and

1336
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:10,880
Speaker 21: and and manifesting it and dreaming it and and I.

1337
01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:12,520
Speaker 20: Think that these characters really have that.

1338
01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:15,080
Speaker 21: I don't think they necessarily wanted to be Aretha, but

1339
01:02:15,120 --> 01:02:16,000
Speaker 21: I think they wanted.

1340
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:18,880
Speaker 20: I think they wanted to be Irma.

1341
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:21,320
Speaker 21: They wanted to be Carolyn, and they wanted to have

1342
01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:23,800
Speaker 21: all of the opportunity that Aretha had.

1343
01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:25,440
Speaker 20: And I think I.

1344
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:32,240
Speaker 21: Think that desire and that deep yearning, you know, for

1345
01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:38,120
Speaker 21: your potential to be realized and for your star power

1346
01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:41,320
Speaker 21: to be realized, is something that we can sort of easily,

1347
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:44,600
Speaker 21: you know, dig into and to to.

1348
01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:48,840
Speaker 20: But yeah, I think Uh.

1349
01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:51,480
Speaker 21: You know, I think it's also very natural for me

1350
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:54,760
Speaker 21: uh to want to dig into this role because my

1351
01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:58,320
Speaker 21: father was also a musician who passed away before realizing

1352
01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:01,120
Speaker 21: all of his dreams, and so it's it was, it

1353
01:03:01,240 --> 01:03:05,040
Speaker 21: was something that just felt right now, Manswer, your question.

1354
01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:07,840
Speaker 4: Now when I listened to this, Patrice is like, this

1355
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:10,960
Speaker 4: is you're talking about this series of anthology series. Eight episodes,

1356
01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:13,480
Speaker 4: you know, from forty five minutes, I think the longest

1357
01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:16,680
Speaker 4: episode maybe fifty something minutes. But another never did I

1358
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:21,000
Speaker 4: feel taxed in watching this series? Why would you think

1359
01:03:21,040 --> 01:03:24,120
Speaker 4: someone would want to watch an anthology series on the

1360
01:03:24,160 --> 01:03:24,920
Speaker 4: reacha Franklin.

1361
01:03:26,360 --> 01:03:31,400
Speaker 23: There's so much to uncover about this woman. Her music

1362
01:03:31,640 --> 01:03:34,360
Speaker 23: is truly embedded in the fabric of our lives. And

1363
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:36,760
Speaker 23: we know that we love her music. We know she

1364
01:03:36,920 --> 01:03:39,960
Speaker 23: was the Queen and that there's no one better. But

1365
01:03:40,040 --> 01:03:44,920
Speaker 23: her story is so complex, it's so multifaceted. It's so beautiful,

1366
01:03:45,160 --> 01:03:51,120
Speaker 23: it's so sad at times. It's full of overcoming and conquering.

1367
01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:54,439
Speaker 23: It's full of sisterhood, all things that we all need

1368
01:03:54,520 --> 01:03:56,040
Speaker 23: encouragement with all the time.

1369
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Speaker 3: What we get to unfold.

1370
01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:00,720
Speaker 23: A lot of is about her, how act of her

1371
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:04,560
Speaker 23: activism was right now, everybody's trying to figure out how

1372
01:04:04,600 --> 01:04:07,040
Speaker 23: to be an activist in their own right and whatever

1373
01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:09,960
Speaker 23: it is that they can do, and so it's encouraging

1374
01:04:10,280 --> 01:04:12,880
Speaker 23: in your real life. Right now is so much to

1375
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:15,240
Speaker 23: learn and so much to apply to your life.

1376
01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:15,640
Speaker 6: You know.

1377
01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:17,560
Speaker 4: It's really amazing letter because I want to get into

1378
01:04:17,600 --> 01:04:20,000
Speaker 4: some of the cast members because they were a series

1379
01:04:20,120 --> 01:04:22,680
Speaker 4: like this, great has to be carried by talent. You

1380
01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:26,160
Speaker 4: are two very talented individuals that stood out in the series.

1381
01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:29,160
Speaker 4: Then you go to my man courting to be Vance

1382
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:33,360
Speaker 4: who played cl WHOA Okay, that's a that's a whole

1383
01:04:33,560 --> 01:04:36,640
Speaker 4: They could have did an eight episode doc on on

1384
01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:40,480
Speaker 4: his behind because he I'm gonna tell you so, just

1385
01:04:40,560 --> 01:04:43,360
Speaker 4: watch the series to see the dad. Just want to

1386
01:04:43,360 --> 01:04:45,560
Speaker 4: see it for the day, because the dad gonna mess

1387
01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:48,800
Speaker 4: you up. Cl Franklin is gonna mess you up.

1388
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:52,520
Speaker 1: As a preacher. He breaks all the preacher rules. He

1389
01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:54,680
Speaker 1: breaks all of the preacher rules. If they have some.

1390
01:04:54,760 --> 01:04:58,840
Speaker 4: Rules for preachers and your PK. He gonna he gonna

1391
01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:01,240
Speaker 4: make you want to just be a drug addict. He

1392
01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:04,840
Speaker 4: gonna make you want to just go into detox for life.

1393
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:07,440
Speaker 4: This man c L is I ain't never met a

1394
01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:11,640
Speaker 4: preacher like giving my life. He was part uh womanizer.

1395
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:14,240
Speaker 4: He was a part of I say he was all

1396
01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:17,760
Speaker 4: part womanizer. He was a somewhat of a drunk.

1397
01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:23,920
Speaker 1: He uh he spent the parishional's money at will. He

1398
01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:25,400
Speaker 1: was uh, he was special.

1399
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Speaker 4: Now that's see, that's court to vet am I wrong, ladies?

1400
01:05:28,600 --> 01:05:31,640
Speaker 4: Did I tell you you are correct? If I deviated,

1401
01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:32,680
Speaker 4: y'all feel.

1402
01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:36,360
Speaker 1: Free to say, Sean, now you lying, you stretching the truth? Okay.

1403
01:05:37,880 --> 01:05:40,800
Speaker 4: Now Wexler, you know, Wexler was the you know, the

1404
01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:42,760
Speaker 4: always a white man.

1405
01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:44,000
Speaker 1: That was his character.

1406
01:05:44,040 --> 01:05:47,680
Speaker 24: I tell telling black folks what to do, pushing they

1407
01:05:47,800 --> 01:05:50,440
Speaker 24: you know, I don't think that's a good move. You

1408
01:05:50,560 --> 01:05:53,720
Speaker 24: might always thinking about their pocketbook, but not worrying about

1409
01:05:53,720 --> 01:05:54,240
Speaker 24: the cause.

1410
01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:59,800
Speaker 4: That was my man playing the Wexler characters.

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01:06:00,040 --> 01:06:00,360
Speaker 6: He was.

1412
01:06:00,520 --> 01:06:04,320
Speaker 4: He was incredible, his talents, he was He's an original

1413
01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:07,360
Speaker 4: test It was really interesting when I saw the because

1414
01:06:07,400 --> 01:06:11,560
Speaker 4: I saw the wreath special which the documentary I saw them.

1415
01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:14,880
Speaker 4: It was just so amazing. And I'm gonna ask you guys,

1416
01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:18,960
Speaker 4: other one you can answer this when you you know

1417
01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:23,680
Speaker 4: I've seen history. I've lived the history of Aretha. Frankly

1418
01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:30,000
Speaker 4: through you know, Jet magazine, Ebony songs. When you guys

1419
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:33,440
Speaker 4: were going through the process and certain information was being.

1420
01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:35,360
Speaker 1: Revealed to you, how did you react to it?

1421
01:06:36,120 --> 01:06:39,560
Speaker 23: Well, I think that you know, some things we still

1422
01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:42,240
Speaker 23: don't really know the answers to you. You know, there's

1423
01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:45,800
Speaker 23: a lot that is still just left to the viewer.

1424
01:06:46,560 --> 01:06:49,240
Speaker 23: You know, there are some things that will just never know.

1425
01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:55,280
Speaker 23: And I mean I've heard rumors of certain things all

1426
01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:59,360
Speaker 23: my life now, all my life of my adult life,

1427
01:07:00,160 --> 01:07:02,680
Speaker 23: you know, and at that point, it was quite shocking

1428
01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:04,720
Speaker 23: to me to learn that Aretha had a baby at

1429
01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:09,360
Speaker 23: twelve years old. Those types of stories are always going

1430
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:11,800
Speaker 23: to be shocking to someone who's like the queen of soul.

1431
01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:13,600
Speaker 3: Like you know, I grew up with her music.

1432
01:07:13,600 --> 01:07:16,120
Speaker 23: I knew it was gospel music, and you know, I

1433
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:18,360
Speaker 23: know her foundation was was church.

1434
01:07:18,840 --> 01:07:20,640
Speaker 3: So it's definitely shocking.

1435
01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:25,160
Speaker 23: I think that there's so much more to her life, though,

1436
01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:29,640
Speaker 23: and what's more important is how she overcame and continued

1437
01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:34,040
Speaker 23: to overcome until she got out of here, like always overcoming.

1438
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:36,320
Speaker 23: I think that's the most important part.

1439
01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:39,240
Speaker 4: I had to fortunate, like because Steve Harvey and I

1440
01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:41,920
Speaker 4: are managed him for sixty years. I had a blessing

1441
01:07:41,960 --> 01:07:44,440
Speaker 4: of me and Mareta several times. And she really did

1442
01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:46,240
Speaker 4: cook fry chicken, by the way. I knew that for

1443
01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:48,680
Speaker 4: a fact because the woman could cook okay. And also

1444
01:07:48,800 --> 01:07:53,840
Speaker 4: she loved popcorn too, by the way. So, but when

1445
01:07:53,880 --> 01:07:57,440
Speaker 4: you look at a movie like Cynthia Arrivo, who starred

1446
01:07:57,480 --> 01:08:00,720
Speaker 4: in the lead role, and you see, so I fell

1447
01:08:00,720 --> 01:08:01,880
Speaker 4: in love with her Harriet.

1448
01:08:02,040 --> 01:08:05,080
Speaker 1: I saw that booby Harriet when she started as Harriet.

1449
01:08:04,720 --> 01:08:07,439
Speaker 4: Tubman, and I got an opportunity to see how she

1450
01:08:07,960 --> 01:08:12,000
Speaker 4: effortlessly played this role. You know, you know when you

1451
01:08:12,040 --> 01:08:14,280
Speaker 4: see a talent like that, and you know, because we

1452
01:08:14,320 --> 01:08:17,599
Speaker 4: all compare ourselves and say, wow, how does that work?

1453
01:08:18,200 --> 01:08:20,800
Speaker 4: How did give me some feedback on watching the talent

1454
01:08:20,960 --> 01:08:23,800
Speaker 4: like that because we all have aspirations to be that

1455
01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:27,959
Speaker 4: lead and then seeing her go through the process of aging,

1456
01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:32,080
Speaker 4: going through she was she was physically abused, she was

1457
01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:35,320
Speaker 4: you know, she was she was you know, it was

1458
01:08:35,560 --> 01:08:38,519
Speaker 4: her relationship with doctor Martin Luther King. She had that

1459
01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:42,000
Speaker 4: in that process, being a spiritual leader, being a physical leader,

1460
01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:45,679
Speaker 4: being a being a you know, dealing with what happened

1461
01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:47,760
Speaker 4: to her mom in real life. She had she had

1462
01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:51,000
Speaker 4: to see that emotion through the process as well as

1463
01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:54,519
Speaker 4: the overall I you know, disconnect with her dad. It

1464
01:08:54,560 --> 01:08:56,800
Speaker 4: was a disconnect, you know, then her grandmother, played by

1465
01:08:56,800 --> 01:08:59,960
Speaker 4: the incredible Paulletta Washington. I can't forget not giving her

1466
01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:03,120
Speaker 4: compliments because she was awesome. Known her for many years,

1467
01:09:03,120 --> 01:09:05,599
Speaker 4: So give me, give me some feedback and you know

1468
01:09:06,439 --> 01:09:07,080
Speaker 4: your take on.

1469
01:09:07,080 --> 01:09:07,599
Speaker 1: It as well.

1470
01:09:11,560 --> 01:09:14,439
Speaker 21: You know, one thing that I loved watching Cynthia was

1471
01:09:14,479 --> 01:09:17,840
Speaker 21: that I think she really was able to dig into

1472
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:25,200
Speaker 21: sort of the quiet self protection that Aretha had. Yes,

1473
01:09:25,439 --> 01:09:29,880
Speaker 21: I think, you know, we were also lucky to receive

1474
01:09:31,840 --> 01:09:39,000
Speaker 21: Aretha's you know, Aretha's sort of entire soul through her voice,

1475
01:09:39,040 --> 01:09:42,559
Speaker 21: her singing voice, and her music in general, and her genius.

1476
01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:45,920
Speaker 21: But you know, as we all know, she's she was

1477
01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:50,400
Speaker 21: a very private person by design, right, and I think

1478
01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:56,639
Speaker 21: Cynthia really locked into that aspect of her. I think

1479
01:09:56,680 --> 01:10:01,000
Speaker 21: she was really smart about how she was on set

1480
01:10:01,040 --> 01:10:04,120
Speaker 21: and how she dug into this character because she was very.

1481
01:10:04,120 --> 01:10:09,040
Speaker 20: Quiet about it. She didn't she didn't overly talk too

1482
01:10:09,080 --> 01:10:10,840
Speaker 20: much about it. I think she kept a lot of

1483
01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:11,640
Speaker 20: her work.

1484
01:10:13,040 --> 01:10:18,479
Speaker 21: Internal and and then we got to see it sort

1485
01:10:18,479 --> 01:10:22,320
Speaker 21: of slowly unravel out of her the way Aretha was

1486
01:10:22,360 --> 01:10:27,200
Speaker 21: in terms of her allowing people to slowly, you know,

1487
01:10:27,240 --> 01:10:29,720
Speaker 21: be let in to who she was. And so the

1488
01:10:29,720 --> 01:10:33,479
Speaker 21: same thing happens with Cynthia, where suddenly she's singing and

1489
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:36,679
Speaker 21: this voice opens up and we're getting a real sense

1490
01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:37,679
Speaker 21: of who she is.

1491
01:10:38,080 --> 01:10:40,880
Speaker 1: Right now, you know, And I can't forget T. I TF.

1492
01:10:40,920 --> 01:10:41,479
Speaker 6: Tip was.

1493
01:10:43,240 --> 01:10:46,280
Speaker 4: That boy right there? Can add he does comedy. Well,

1494
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:48,760
Speaker 4: I know he could wrap, but he was he was

1495
01:10:49,080 --> 01:10:50,639
Speaker 4: you know, I was just he was sexy.

1496
01:10:50,920 --> 01:10:54,000
Speaker 1: Tip was he was. I'm coming to look at that,

1497
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:55,679
Speaker 1: the little mustache and little afro.

1498
01:10:56,439 --> 01:10:57,200
Speaker 3: He was working.

1499
01:10:57,560 --> 01:11:00,800
Speaker 1: He was working with that little deepfault us. T. I

1500
01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:04,080
Speaker 1: was T. I was on boarding this in the series.

1501
01:11:04,320 --> 01:11:05,280
Speaker 6: I was it.

1502
01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:10,080
Speaker 4: And then my boy Luke James, he dipped in there

1503
01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:12,479
Speaker 4: and there, and then a guy gonna tell y'all no character.

1504
01:11:12,479 --> 01:11:13,960
Speaker 1: I was just gonna let y'all know T. I s

1505
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:15,720
Speaker 1: in the bad one. He clowns.

1506
01:11:16,160 --> 01:11:19,719
Speaker 4: Luke Jame's coming there, super sexy, you know, chocolate drop,

1507
01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:20,519
Speaker 4: Chocolate drop.

1508
01:11:25,000 --> 01:11:26,760
Speaker 20: We had a very fun day on set him.

1509
01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:30,280
Speaker 1: God, you know, you guys, your characters, you know thet's.

1510
01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:33,920
Speaker 4: Let's talk about that stepping back and wearing those uh

1511
01:11:34,439 --> 01:11:37,080
Speaker 4: those time you know, complyiant clothes.

1512
01:11:37,120 --> 01:11:39,280
Speaker 1: You know, the the baby suit that you was.

1513
01:11:39,360 --> 01:11:42,200
Speaker 4: Wearing there, you know, at the pool side with a

1514
01:11:42,280 --> 01:11:45,120
Speaker 4: reef in your character, you know, and you you up there,

1515
01:11:45,160 --> 01:11:47,960
Speaker 4: that nice little outfit, singing them songs.

1516
01:11:48,479 --> 01:11:52,960
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, at Carolyn, they fine. You know, I'm going

1517
01:11:52,960 --> 01:11:54,800
Speaker 1: back because I was, I was active in those years.

1518
01:11:54,840 --> 01:11:58,880
Speaker 4: I'm going like, oh, they could work, that could work.

1519
01:11:58,640 --> 01:12:02,280
Speaker 4: So how about what fun did you guys have Going

1520
01:12:02,360 --> 01:12:03,960
Speaker 4: into the wardrobe room?

1521
01:12:05,280 --> 01:12:11,080
Speaker 23: Was most fun? The most fun? Jennifer Bryant, our costume designer.

1522
01:12:11,400 --> 01:12:14,920
Speaker 23: I just you know, every time I went into a fitting,

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01:12:14,960 --> 01:12:16,880
Speaker 23: it was my whole thing was a growing joke because

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01:12:16,920 --> 01:12:20,280
Speaker 23: I would say, okay, no, this is my favorite. Every

1525
01:12:20,360 --> 01:12:25,440
Speaker 23: time it was my favorite outfit. I loved her designs.

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01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:29,080
Speaker 23: I felt comfortable, I felt cute, I felt sexy. I

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01:12:29,160 --> 01:12:33,120
Speaker 23: loved how we grew, you know, our fashions grew with

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01:12:33,200 --> 01:12:36,960
Speaker 23: us but still was appropriate, you know, and making us

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01:12:37,000 --> 01:12:39,880
Speaker 23: feel fly all throughout the years.

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Speaker 3: You know, we weren't we weren't poor people.

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01:12:42,520 --> 01:12:46,400
Speaker 23: So we had good fancy, very sexy.

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Speaker 6: We loved it.

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01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:48,439
Speaker 3: We loved it.

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01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:50,439
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we know. That's why.

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Speaker 4: I just you know, when they do time pieces, right,

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01:12:53,160 --> 01:12:55,400
Speaker 4: you know that they spent the money on this time piece.

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01:12:55,439 --> 01:12:57,960
Speaker 1: You know the hair the hour frobes looked like they

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01:12:57,960 --> 01:13:01,080
Speaker 1: were right. You see no little pieces falling off ourself.

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01:13:02,120 --> 01:13:02,800
Speaker 1: They working there.

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01:13:02,800 --> 01:13:04,880
Speaker 4: They got the budget for the hair up in this show.

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01:13:04,920 --> 01:13:08,240
Speaker 4: Here the closed fit. I get mad child when I

1542
01:13:08,280 --> 01:13:11,040
Speaker 4: see tip here efty black people tie here at pieces

1543
01:13:11,240 --> 01:13:13,280
Speaker 4: and you can see the little hair on the edge

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01:13:13,400 --> 01:13:15,439
Speaker 4: kind of popping off the sides. But be a side

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01:13:15,479 --> 01:13:19,439
Speaker 4: for right. They did the money right. They did the

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01:13:19,880 --> 01:13:24,040
Speaker 4: same discovery right. Talk about being involved with a production

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01:13:24,520 --> 01:13:26,679
Speaker 4: that says, you know some we're gonna spend the money,

1548
01:13:26,920 --> 01:13:29,040
Speaker 4: and you can lead Patresa or Rebecca, either one you

1549
01:13:29,040 --> 01:13:31,160
Speaker 4: can take the lead on this question because it's it's

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01:13:31,320 --> 01:13:33,559
Speaker 4: and both can respond after the other response as well.

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Speaker 4: It's really great to be treated special and allowed to

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01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:39,479
Speaker 4: tell your story with a budget that allows you to

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01:13:39,520 --> 01:13:40,679
Speaker 4: tell the story correct.

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Speaker 20: You're absolutely right.

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Speaker 21: I think it makes such a difference in how you

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01:13:46,600 --> 01:13:49,400
Speaker 21: feel like you can do your job because you know

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01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:53,519
Speaker 21: that other people are being given the access to do

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01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:55,760
Speaker 21: their job right, and so it just makes what you

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01:13:55,880 --> 01:13:58,040
Speaker 21: have to do that much easier. It made what we

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01:13:58,160 --> 01:14:01,599
Speaker 21: had to do so much easier because Jennifer Bryant had

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Speaker 21: our backs with these beautiful costumes that fit us perfectly,

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01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:10,680
Speaker 21: and Miss Louisa was making these wigs that were so

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Speaker 21: stunning but also really fit our natural hair textures and

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01:14:14,680 --> 01:14:18,680
Speaker 21: our face shapes. And you know, we had Marietta in

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01:14:18,240 --> 01:14:21,160
Speaker 21: the in the makeup department and her entire team just

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01:14:21,479 --> 01:14:23,840
Speaker 21: you know, making our faces look beautiful, but also like

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01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:26,280
Speaker 21: we made our faces look that way, not like a

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01:14:26,320 --> 01:14:28,080
Speaker 21: makeup team made our face look that way. I mean

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01:14:28,080 --> 01:14:31,080
Speaker 21: everything was taken care of so we could take care

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Speaker 21: of these characters.

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01:14:34,800 --> 01:14:36,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would agree with that one percent.

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Speaker 23: And also, you know, all of these people who led

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01:14:40,960 --> 01:14:42,479
Speaker 23: these departments were black women.

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Speaker 1: Come on, come on that say one more time.

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01:14:47,240 --> 01:14:50,519
Speaker 23: All of the department heads were black women. They were

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01:14:50,520 --> 01:14:54,240
Speaker 23: one hundred percent black women, and they led, they led

1577
01:14:54,280 --> 01:14:59,320
Speaker 23: their teams with just the most esteemed. They were so

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01:14:59,400 --> 01:15:03,280
Speaker 23: distinguished and they were very clear. They made us. I

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01:15:03,360 --> 01:15:06,400
Speaker 23: just keep using the words comfortable because I never I

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01:15:06,439 --> 01:15:10,040
Speaker 23: never worried about my hair, I never worried about my makeup.

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Speaker 3: I definitely never worried about clothes. Like we were comfortable

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Speaker 3: all the time.

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Speaker 23: And if if there ever were a concern, a question,

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01:15:18,640 --> 01:15:22,479
Speaker 23: I would just be like Hey, my pants are too tight.

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01:15:23,120 --> 01:15:25,320
Speaker 3: It would give me bigger than pants.

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01:15:25,360 --> 01:15:25,760
Speaker 8: Like it was.

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01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:29,760
Speaker 3: It was never anything. It was just always work.

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01:15:29,800 --> 01:15:31,680
Speaker 1: When you work, you ain't in that scene long going

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01:15:31,680 --> 01:15:35,479
Speaker 1: out with them type pants, none of that out They

1590
01:15:35,640 --> 01:15:40,320
Speaker 1: all uncomfortable. Let me change these pants. They show it

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01:15:40,479 --> 01:15:44,400
Speaker 1: tight riding up on me. But that's but you know

1592
01:15:44,680 --> 01:15:46,320
Speaker 1: the beauty of watching we're talking.

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Speaker 4: I'm talking to Patrice, coming to and Rebecca and Naomi

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01:15:49,040 --> 01:15:52,920
Speaker 4: Jones and goards to the anthology series UH called Genius

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01:15:52,920 --> 01:15:57,200
Speaker 4: and premieres a national GEO on this Sunday, March twenty first.

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Speaker 1: Not only am I recommending.

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01:15:59,640 --> 01:16:01,479
Speaker 4: That, and I'm just so fortunate to be able to

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01:16:01,520 --> 01:16:05,000
Speaker 4: talk to toutalented people because when I get to see

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01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:07,280
Speaker 4: something like that and I and I, and it takes

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01:16:07,280 --> 01:16:10,719
Speaker 4: me to a level of imagination because you guys gifted,

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01:16:10,960 --> 01:16:14,040
Speaker 4: You have gifts, and those gifts that you allowed me

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01:16:14,160 --> 01:16:18,160
Speaker 4: to share with like singing like like like I knew

1603
01:16:18,160 --> 01:16:20,920
Speaker 4: when you were really singing and going wow, you know,

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01:16:21,360 --> 01:16:23,719
Speaker 4: that's that's a blessing. And so I have to believe

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01:16:23,760 --> 01:16:27,160
Speaker 4: that you guys understand your blessing and you feel very

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01:16:27,200 --> 01:16:30,160
Speaker 4: fortunate to be able to share them in the entertainment

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01:16:30,240 --> 01:16:33,360
Speaker 4: form like I know this your first television series and

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01:16:34,120 --> 01:16:37,800
Speaker 4: clause and but again, it's gonna be more. It's gonna

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01:16:37,840 --> 01:16:39,920
Speaker 4: be movies. And I know, you know, you have to

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01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:42,880
Speaker 4: doing your thing, you know, miss thaying you know, but

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01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:43,880
Speaker 4: but how how is life?

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01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:45,599
Speaker 1: What is the future for each one of you?

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01:16:48,520 --> 01:16:52,560
Speaker 23: Don't go first, bea The future is fabulous.

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01:16:52,920 --> 01:16:53,599
Speaker 8: Uh, you know.

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01:16:53,560 --> 01:16:55,320
Speaker 3: They're gonna she's gonna go down to the.

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01:16:55,280 --> 01:17:01,519
Speaker 24: Fabulous, the fabulous, the fabulous.

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01:17:02,160 --> 01:17:07,400
Speaker 21: I can assure you that, yeah, there are little little

1618
01:17:07,439 --> 01:17:11,479
Speaker 21: projects coming more here and there that.

1619
01:17:11,520 --> 01:17:13,479
Speaker 20: I'm not sure if I'm allowed to speak about yet, but.

1620
01:17:13,400 --> 01:17:17,320
Speaker 21: I believe you know, I'm still waiting for that next

1621
01:17:17,360 --> 01:17:17,920
Speaker 21: big thing.

1622
01:17:18,120 --> 01:17:19,120
Speaker 20: But I'll let you know.

1623
01:17:19,520 --> 01:17:22,160
Speaker 4: And guess what, I feel free to come on my show.

1624
01:17:22,720 --> 01:17:25,439
Speaker 4: I like to believe they'll develop the relationship with you too.

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01:17:26,080 --> 01:17:29,439
Speaker 4: The laws that I trust, the opportunities, and I've been

1626
01:17:29,439 --> 01:17:32,040
Speaker 4: in an entertainment business, you know, started writing no TV

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01:17:32,080 --> 01:17:32,920
Speaker 4: shows in ninety two.

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01:17:33,360 --> 01:17:34,519
Speaker 1: I know how this thing works.

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01:17:34,520 --> 01:17:37,280
Speaker 4: Sometimes all the auditions come on the same day and

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01:17:37,280 --> 01:17:40,400
Speaker 4: then they go months there's no audition, and you be going, God,

1631
01:17:40,640 --> 01:17:43,720
Speaker 4: what's going on. I've been broke for six months now.

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01:17:43,760 --> 01:17:46,280
Speaker 4: Today I ain't broke. I got five auditions and didn't

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01:17:46,280 --> 01:17:48,639
Speaker 4: get none of them. So where we're going with this?

1634
01:17:49,040 --> 01:17:52,360
Speaker 4: And that's the really Patricea. You can expound just just

1635
01:17:52,439 --> 01:17:54,479
Speaker 4: life and just tell people who try to make this

1636
01:17:54,600 --> 01:17:59,080
Speaker 4: business work for themselves, what enthusiasts, what points of support

1637
01:17:59,120 --> 01:18:02,400
Speaker 4: can you give them? Advice when you hit those low points,

1638
01:18:02,720 --> 01:18:05,760
Speaker 4: because the highs are incredible and it's worth it, but

1639
01:18:05,800 --> 01:18:08,320
Speaker 4: when you hit those low points, you gotta dig out

1640
01:18:08,360 --> 01:18:09,559
Speaker 4: of it and realize it's part.

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01:18:09,400 --> 01:18:10,360
Speaker 1: Of the process.

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01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:16,639
Speaker 23: Yeah, well, in this business, we have way more nose

1643
01:18:16,760 --> 01:18:17,360
Speaker 23: than yes this.

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01:18:17,800 --> 01:18:19,520
Speaker 3: I mean we auditioned.

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01:18:19,920 --> 01:18:23,400
Speaker 23: Sometimes you can audition four or five seven times a week, yes,

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01:18:23,600 --> 01:18:24,320
Speaker 23: and get nothing.

1647
01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:24,880
Speaker 1: Yes.

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01:18:26,320 --> 01:18:28,920
Speaker 3: When I booked this job, it was the only job

1649
01:18:28,960 --> 01:18:29,519
Speaker 3: I booked that.

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01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:32,880
Speaker 23: Year outside of you know, background singing and doing other things.

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01:18:32,960 --> 01:18:36,800
Speaker 23: You know. But I think what's important is creating and

1652
01:18:36,880 --> 01:18:42,120
Speaker 23: not waiting. That's one, speaking things as if they already are,

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01:18:43,280 --> 01:18:46,320
Speaker 23: and then just always being generous.

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01:18:45,960 --> 01:18:46,479
Speaker 3: With the light.

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01:18:46,880 --> 01:18:50,160
Speaker 23: So I have this this saying this model that it's trademarks,

1656
01:18:50,200 --> 01:18:52,960
Speaker 23: I don't try to steal it. Russian McDonalds. It don't

1657
01:18:52,960 --> 01:18:54,480
Speaker 23: be a star, be a galaxy.

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01:18:55,800 --> 01:18:58,400
Speaker 1: It was in your bio putting in your bio. Now

1659
01:18:58,439 --> 01:18:58,880
Speaker 1: I saw that.

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01:18:59,040 --> 01:19:03,240
Speaker 3: Now, yes, so what that means? It means so many things.

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Speaker 23: When I first created it, it was about you know,

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01:19:05,280 --> 01:19:08,479
Speaker 23: just being being sparkly and you know, being a star.

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01:19:08,640 --> 01:19:11,400
Speaker 23: But as as the years have gone on and it

1664
01:19:11,400 --> 01:19:14,080
Speaker 23: has gone on to me just sharing. Like you know,

1665
01:19:14,160 --> 01:19:16,439
Speaker 23: if Rebecca and I see an audition that we think

1666
01:19:16,600 --> 01:19:18,799
Speaker 23: is right for the other, I'm going to tell Rebecca

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01:19:19,120 --> 01:19:21,000
Speaker 23: I know that what's mine is mine.

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01:19:21,240 --> 01:19:22,599
Speaker 3: It will never pass me by.

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01:19:22,920 --> 01:19:25,040
Speaker 23: I'm always gonna shine light on her talent because I

1670
01:19:25,040 --> 01:19:28,080
Speaker 23: think she is an amazing talent. No star shines bright

1671
01:19:28,200 --> 01:19:30,160
Speaker 23: without the next star next to it shining.

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01:19:30,439 --> 01:19:33,040
Speaker 3: There's so much more. There's enough for everybody.

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01:19:33,120 --> 01:19:35,280
Speaker 23: So I just think, when what you give out is

1674
01:19:35,320 --> 01:19:38,280
Speaker 23: what you give in, what you are, what you will receive.

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01:19:38,400 --> 01:19:41,840
Speaker 3: So just keep being nice, believe that karma is a

1676
01:19:41,880 --> 01:19:44,120
Speaker 3: real thing, and create. Don't wait.

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01:19:45,120 --> 01:19:48,280
Speaker 1: Okay, there, Patrise or Reverend Patrice has spoken.

1678
01:19:49,600 --> 01:19:51,080
Speaker 3: Your pockets, and give me all your offer.

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01:19:52,080 --> 01:19:56,839
Speaker 4: If we'll be asking for Franklin, we'll be asking for

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01:19:57,360 --> 01:20:00,559
Speaker 4: Coording to be fans, and I'll be remissed not to

1681
01:20:00,560 --> 01:20:03,880
Speaker 4: talk about the very talented young actress who played the

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01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:08,320
Speaker 4: role of the young Aretha Franklin who carries her because

1683
01:20:08,360 --> 01:20:10,160
Speaker 4: you know this this is anthology, so they do a

1684
01:20:10,200 --> 01:20:12,960
Speaker 4: lot of flashbacks. So just because you see a character

1685
01:20:12,960 --> 01:20:15,240
Speaker 4: in the first episode, you're gonna see them throughout the

1686
01:20:15,240 --> 01:20:18,840
Speaker 4: whole episode because you're doing because it allows you to

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01:20:18,920 --> 01:20:21,400
Speaker 4: see what makes Aretha.

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01:20:21,040 --> 01:20:23,040
Speaker 1: At this point of her life, what happened in her

1689
01:20:23,080 --> 01:20:23,920
Speaker 1: life at that.

1690
01:20:23,920 --> 01:20:26,080
Speaker 4: Age that made her either hard, made a sophomore, the

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01:20:26,160 --> 01:20:29,680
Speaker 4: emotional may made her not trust anybody, because that was

1692
01:20:29,680 --> 01:20:30,280
Speaker 4: a big thing.

1693
01:20:30,120 --> 01:20:31,200
Speaker 1: About trusting her life.

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01:20:31,240 --> 01:20:33,360
Speaker 4: You know, that came up with Ted, and they came

1695
01:20:33,439 --> 01:20:36,880
Speaker 4: up with her father c l So and close it. Rebecca,

1696
01:20:37,000 --> 01:20:40,760
Speaker 4: you know, you know, you know Deacon Deacon, Deacon Patrician

1697
01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:46,760
Speaker 4: spoke now just today, you know she's passed the play.

1698
01:20:47,080 --> 01:20:50,599
Speaker 4: But ain't nobody putting no money in it yet? Okay, Rebecca,

1699
01:20:50,720 --> 01:20:53,840
Speaker 4: They're looking at the plate. They going, should we bring

1700
01:20:53,880 --> 01:20:57,400
Speaker 4: us on home? This is Aretha. The Genius series is

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01:20:57,479 --> 01:21:01,320
Speaker 4: going to premiere on a national gh March twenty first,

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01:21:01,400 --> 01:21:05,559
Speaker 4: starring Patrise coveringting Rebecca Nailmie Jones. Bring me on Home,

1703
01:21:05,640 --> 01:21:08,920
Speaker 4: Girl at the altar, I just want to join the church.

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01:21:09,000 --> 01:21:19,439
Speaker 4: Come on, amazing, you know my whole thing that you

1705
01:21:19,439 --> 01:21:22,760
Speaker 4: guys are amazing the heck with all these compliments. I

1706
01:21:22,840 --> 01:21:26,519
Speaker 4: watched it all seven episodes on Sunday. Okay, I'm just

1707
01:21:26,560 --> 01:21:29,679
Speaker 4: telling you. I started at one o'clock in the middle

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01:21:29,720 --> 01:21:31,960
Speaker 4: of March madness, and I didn't stop.

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01:21:32,000 --> 01:21:33,320
Speaker 1: I forgot watching basketball.

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01:21:33,720 --> 01:21:35,680
Speaker 4: But sure you watch one episode, you know, you know

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01:21:35,840 --> 01:21:39,200
Speaker 4: Netflix out y'all wired up, you know, into binge watching it, and.

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01:21:39,160 --> 01:21:43,679
Speaker 1: I go, okay, I'm going okay, okay. Episode two, Episode three, Okay,

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01:21:43,800 --> 01:21:45,120
Speaker 1: I look at the mint of forty five minute. I

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01:21:45,160 --> 01:21:46,160
Speaker 1: got forty five minutes.

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01:21:46,400 --> 01:21:50,240
Speaker 4: I did not finish till nine thirty last night, and

1716
01:21:50,280 --> 01:21:53,360
Speaker 4: I was mad because they only sent me seven episodes.

1717
01:21:53,520 --> 01:21:56,000
Speaker 4: And it's the episode serious cause I gotta wait till

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01:21:56,000 --> 01:21:58,360
Speaker 4: the end, and it's gonna be worth it. I'm passing

1719
01:21:58,400 --> 01:22:01,080
Speaker 4: the passing the information line about HOWGH grade this series.

1720
01:22:01,320 --> 01:22:03,920
Speaker 4: More importantly, I got to introduce America and my fan

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01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:08,559
Speaker 4: base to YouTube fantastic actresses and singers and the blessings

1722
01:22:08,560 --> 01:22:11,360
Speaker 4: are going to continue. And know I'm a fan. And

1723
01:22:11,439 --> 01:22:12,639
Speaker 4: when I say I'm a fan.

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01:22:12,720 --> 01:22:14,200
Speaker 1: Your boy. I got six sisters.

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01:22:14,200 --> 01:22:16,519
Speaker 4: Okay, I got six sister My oldest sister name is Carolyn,

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01:22:16,840 --> 01:22:19,840
Speaker 4: So you know there's some love in this conversation. In

1727
01:22:19,880 --> 01:22:23,200
Speaker 4: what y'all brought to the series Aretha the Genius Series

1728
01:22:23,240 --> 01:22:25,960
Speaker 4: and anthology series about Aretha Franklin. Thank you for coming

1729
01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:29,400
Speaker 4: on money Making Conversations.

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Speaker 13: We will be right back with more money making conversations

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01:22:33,400 --> 01:22:35,120
Speaker 13: with your hosts Rashaan McDonald.

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01:22:36,200 --> 01:22:39,920
Speaker 18: What grows in the forest trees? Sure know what else

1733
01:22:39,960 --> 01:22:43,559
Speaker 18: grows in the forest. Our imagination, our sense of wonder,

1734
01:22:43,880 --> 01:22:47,040
Speaker 18: and our family bonds grow too, because when we disconnect

1735
01:22:47,080 --> 01:22:53,800
Speaker 18: from this and connect with this, we reconnect with each other.

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01:22:54,520 --> 01:22:57,400
Speaker 18: The forest is closer than you think. Find a forest

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Speaker 18: near you and start exploring. I discover the dot org

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Speaker 19: your state Forester, and the ad Council.

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Speaker 25: Adoption of teams from foster care is a topic not

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Speaker 25: enough people know about, and we're here to change that.

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Speaker 25: I'm April Dinuity, host of the new podcast Navigating Adoption,

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Speaker 25: by adopt Us Kids, brought to you by the US

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Speaker 25: Department of Health and Human Services, Administration for Children and

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Speaker 25: Families and the ad Council.

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Speaker 6: Hi.

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Speaker 4: I'm Rashaan McDonald, the host of Money Making Conversation. The

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Speaker 4: Cafe Mochaswagg Award is a celebration of black men who

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Speaker 4: are making a difference in our community by empowering others

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Speaker 4: to reach their life goals. From civic leaders, businessmen, activists,

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Speaker 4: celebrities and everyday dads. The Cafe Mochas Swagg Award winner

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Speaker 4: this week is Prince Dunnell. He is one of the

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Speaker 4: visionaries behind Jumping Jack Taxes. He wants to make entrepreneurship possible,

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Speaker 4: creating generational wealth by serving the communities we come from

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Speaker 4: and providing access to financial literacy. Prince Donnell's goal is

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Speaker 4: to take a piece of this billion dollar tax industry

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Speaker 4: and push the profits back into our community.

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Speaker 9: It's not about taxes, it's not about what industry that

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Speaker 9: you go into, but it's about all of us pulling

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Speaker 9: our dollars together to achieve a common goal. Now, I'm

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01:24:52,280 --> 01:24:53,720
Speaker 9: going to be able to go to each and every

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Speaker 9: one of them because they understand group economics and sharing

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Speaker 9: and say, Hey, there's this block that has all these

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Speaker 9: obs in the buildings. How about all of our partners.

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01:25:02,280 --> 01:25:04,920
Speaker 9: Let's all of us put our money together, and let's

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Speaker 9: all buy that block together, and we all have a

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Speaker 9: piece of that ownership.

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Speaker 4: The Cafe Mocu Squagg Award represents men who have strength,

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Speaker 4: whose wisdom is assertive, and who is genuine in their spirit.

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Speaker 13: Welcome back to money Making Conversations with your host, Rashaan McDonald.

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Speaker 1: My guest dog, Doctor Willie Jolly and d Taylor Jolly.

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Speaker 26: They are the authors of the Make Love, Make Money,

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01:25:26,880 --> 01:25:29,400
Speaker 26: Make It Last book, Ten Secrets to the Shape a

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Speaker 26: Great Marriage Please welcome to the Money Making Conversation the

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Speaker 26: world renow Hall of Fame speaker and best selling author,

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Speaker 26: doctor Willie Jolly.

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Speaker 4: And the coo of Willie Jolly Worldwide, D Taylor Jolly,

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Speaker 4: How y'all doing.

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Speaker 27: We are blessed and grateful and glad to have you

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01:25:46,760 --> 01:25:50,160
Speaker 27: as my friend for all these years, and we are

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Speaker 27: honored to be able to be on with you and

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Speaker 27: honored to be able to share some ideas with your

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Speaker 27: audience healthfully, will empower.

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Speaker 28: Inspire and bless their relationships in that marriage.

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Speaker 4: Well, first of all, I gotta go to D first,

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Speaker 4: you know, because I read the book. You know, because

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01:26:06,320 --> 01:26:08,760
Speaker 4: I knew D had swag when she had a too

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01:26:08,840 --> 01:26:13,080
Speaker 4: eighty z. That's a doctor two eighty Z. I said, okay, okay, now,

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01:26:13,400 --> 01:26:16,960
Speaker 4: okay now, because that was the corner half Willie Doctor

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01:26:17,000 --> 01:26:17,560
Speaker 4: to ad C.

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Speaker 1: You had to have a little money in your bank.

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01:26:20,439 --> 01:26:24,839
Speaker 1: You had to have a little flap for girl. Hey, Willie,

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01:26:25,160 --> 01:26:27,760
Speaker 1: you couldn't tell her nothing when she had adopted to

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01:26:27,880 --> 01:26:31,320
Speaker 1: eighty Z, could you? You're right right?

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Speaker 29: And you drove it into the ground.

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Speaker 8: You know, that's true. Car When I got married to her,

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01:26:47,400 --> 01:26:50,599
Speaker 8: a lot of driving it. I just drove it into

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01:26:50,680 --> 01:26:55,639
Speaker 8: the absolutely right, were you looking good? Class and style?

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Speaker 1: And oh man do to a e z? What color

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01:26:59,920 --> 01:27:01,800
Speaker 1: was the ded What color was it?

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01:27:01,800 --> 01:27:03,400
Speaker 22: It was percent.

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01:27:05,840 --> 01:27:07,679
Speaker 1: Special honor, a special unor.

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01:27:10,439 --> 01:27:10,800
Speaker 9: You know, I.

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01:27:12,760 --> 01:27:13,519
Speaker 1: Took a lot of fun.

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Speaker 4: That's why I wanted to start off with the talking

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01:27:16,320 --> 01:27:19,080
Speaker 4: about some of the things that I felt were engaging

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01:27:19,120 --> 01:27:21,720
Speaker 4: about your book, were personal about the book, because when

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01:27:21,720 --> 01:27:23,360
Speaker 4: you write a book like that, it has to be

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01:27:23,439 --> 01:27:28,280
Speaker 4: honest and and and and sometimes telling your story it

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01:27:28,320 --> 01:27:30,599
Speaker 4: takes moments because you know, as you keep writing a book,

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01:27:30,640 --> 01:27:32,360
Speaker 4: you start, oh let me, let me add this, and

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01:27:32,439 --> 01:27:34,240
Speaker 4: you started remembering a part of a story that you

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01:27:34,280 --> 01:27:36,800
Speaker 4: actually forgot that becomes a point part of the book,

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01:27:37,120 --> 01:27:40,639
Speaker 4: and and sitting down as a couple because I love

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01:27:40,760 --> 01:27:41,280
Speaker 4: what it says?

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Speaker 1: What will it say?

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01:27:42,560 --> 01:27:42,640
Speaker 8: Is?

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Speaker 1: What do you say it?

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Speaker 4: So each one of you as a couple saw things differently,

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01:27:47,479 --> 01:27:49,240
Speaker 4: but worked as a unit to succeed.

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Speaker 1: Correct.

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Speaker 28: Yes, absolutely, absolutely right and once was one of the challenges.

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Speaker 28: You know, I've written a number of books, many of

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01:27:56,479 --> 01:27:58,639
Speaker 28: them global bestsellers.

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Speaker 1: It only takes a minute.

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01:27:59,640 --> 01:28:02,759
Speaker 8: Changing a setback is a setup for a comeback.

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01:28:03,000 --> 01:28:07,240
Speaker 28: Turned setbacks into greenbacks and attitude of excellence, chicken soup

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Speaker 28: for the Christian soul.

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Speaker 30: Writing one with my wife was really difficult because she

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01:28:12,960 --> 01:28:16,479
Speaker 30: typically has been my editor of all my books, and

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01:28:16,560 --> 01:28:18,760
Speaker 30: so when we went to write this one, it was

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Speaker 30: challenging because I.

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01:28:20,720 --> 01:28:22,280
Speaker 3: Have my own voice, right.

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01:28:22,400 --> 01:28:25,240
Speaker 29: I had to never that I had my own voice

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01:28:25,280 --> 01:28:28,000
Speaker 29: and that I was not simply editing.

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Speaker 3: What he said.

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01:28:29,000 --> 01:28:29,799
Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 28: So we struggled for a little while till we figured

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Speaker 28: out our speed.

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01:28:34,240 --> 01:28:35,599
Speaker 8: And how this were going to work.

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Speaker 28: And then we would look at the ten principles that

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Speaker 28: we had developed over these thirty six years or at

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01:28:42,720 --> 01:28:44,920
Speaker 28: that point it was about thirty thirty.

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Speaker 8: Two years, thirty three years when we wrote the book.

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Speaker 28: And then once we got the principles lined up, we said, okay,

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Speaker 28: I will write my part on my take on it.

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01:28:55,640 --> 01:28:58,200
Speaker 28: She would write her take, and that's when it really

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Speaker 28: found magic.

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Speaker 8: Other thing when we wrote the book.

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Speaker 28: We've been married for thirty six years, haven't had an

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Speaker 28: argument in over thirty three years.

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 28: Those first couple of years were like World War Three.

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01:29:09,439 --> 01:29:12,080
Speaker 28: I've there were some principles that helped us stop.

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Speaker 8: Arguing and get to loving each other. And I thought, she's.

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Speaker 4: Staring at you, she's staring at you, Willie, She's staring

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Speaker 4: at you while you're talking.

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Speaker 1: Now, I don't know if all that's.

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Speaker 4: Working in the direction you know the book is Willie says,

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01:29:26,120 --> 01:29:27,080
Speaker 4: and d says.

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01:29:27,280 --> 01:29:29,479
Speaker 8: I think there was a D said stance she was

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01:29:29,520 --> 01:29:32,599
Speaker 8: giving God she want to say about it. How we

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01:29:33,080 --> 01:29:35,559
Speaker 8: got the principal, but we had to then embrace him.

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Speaker 31: Go ahead, baby, I'm a former school teacher too, absolutely

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01:29:41,560 --> 01:29:47,840
Speaker 31: so the nonverbal communication, but embracing versus actually implementing the

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01:29:47,880 --> 01:29:48,679
Speaker 31: two different things.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 29: So we had mentors, we had information, but we had

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01:29:53,120 --> 01:29:56,360
Speaker 29: to decide yes, that we wanted.

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Speaker 22: To do this and that we wanted to work through

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01:29:58,080 --> 01:29:58,679
Speaker 22: it together.

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Speaker 29: I would say that the most difficult part of the

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01:30:04,680 --> 01:30:09,479
Speaker 29: development of our relationship is actually how we communicate. Because

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01:30:09,520 --> 01:30:13,519
Speaker 29: Willie speaks for a living and he writes books in

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01:30:13,560 --> 01:30:18,760
Speaker 29: the life, so sometimes it can be overpowering until you

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01:30:19,439 --> 01:30:23,439
Speaker 29: pull back and say, let's wait a minute. Now, here's

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01:30:23,640 --> 01:30:27,200
Speaker 29: what I have to say, and this is how I

1893
01:30:27,360 --> 01:30:31,640
Speaker 29: need you to communicate with me. And that came to

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01:30:31,720 --> 01:30:34,080
Speaker 29: a head over the Chinese food.

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01:30:34,200 --> 01:30:37,599
Speaker 28: Yeah, the biggest, the biggest challenge of our marriage came

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01:30:37,600 --> 01:30:40,800
Speaker 28: one night in a Chinese restaurant where we carry out

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01:30:40,920 --> 01:30:43,680
Speaker 28: carry out when we almost broke up, and it's one

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01:30:43,720 --> 01:30:46,799
Speaker 28: of the biggest points in our marriage. We talk about

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01:30:46,960 --> 01:30:50,280
Speaker 28: the three bowlders that break up marriage, sex, money, and communication,

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01:30:50,840 --> 01:30:54,880
Speaker 28: and communication is the thread that we through all of those,

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01:30:55,400 --> 01:30:59,200
Speaker 28: and we almost came to end of our marriage over

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01:30:59,280 --> 01:31:03,280
Speaker 28: Chinese food. What basically happened was her family was coming

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01:31:03,760 --> 01:31:04,240
Speaker 28: to visit.

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01:31:05,160 --> 01:31:09,120
Speaker 29: I wanted to impress my brother right move to DC.

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01:31:09,280 --> 01:31:12,439
Speaker 29: I'm a nice little southern girl from Hampton, Virginia and

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01:31:12,479 --> 01:31:15,640
Speaker 29: my father's was a pastor and the like, and I

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01:31:15,760 --> 01:31:19,519
Speaker 29: wanted to simply impress my brother and his wife that

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01:31:19,600 --> 01:31:22,120
Speaker 29: we were doing okay and we've been doing well.

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01:31:22,200 --> 01:31:24,000
Speaker 28: And he said he. I said, what do y'all want

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01:31:24,000 --> 01:31:26,240
Speaker 28: for them? He said, how about Chinese? Y'all got good

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01:31:26,280 --> 01:31:28,360
Speaker 28: Chinese restaurants And they don't have a lot of Chinese

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01:31:28,360 --> 01:31:31,559
Speaker 28: restaurants in the city where she's from, in Southern City.

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01:31:31,880 --> 01:31:35,439
Speaker 28: I said, got you. I'm a Chinese food officiato. I'm

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01:31:35,439 --> 01:31:39,479
Speaker 28: an expert right all the spots. Now, she said, you

1915
01:31:39,560 --> 01:31:43,360
Speaker 28: like sushi. She had to be educating the sushi with you. Okay,

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01:31:43,720 --> 01:31:48,320
Speaker 28: you got it, you read it. Yeah, I also know

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01:31:48,400 --> 01:31:54,880
Speaker 28: that you introvert as well. So you go. So we

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01:31:54,920 --> 01:31:57,160
Speaker 28: got to the restaurant. I told her here's what we need.

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01:31:57,200 --> 01:31:59,360
Speaker 28: She said, no, we need more. I said, no, this

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Speaker 28: is all we need.

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01:32:00,040 --> 01:32:04,240
Speaker 8: Know we need more. Man I he was cheaping cheap.

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01:32:04,320 --> 01:32:08,439
Speaker 28: Okay, I'm well known for being strategy, huge, frugal.

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01:32:08,680 --> 01:32:09,280
Speaker 1: I'm like a.

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01:32:09,320 --> 01:32:13,719
Speaker 28: Dollar hollow right right right, right, right, right right. I said,

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01:32:13,720 --> 01:32:15,360
Speaker 28: here's what we need. And I got loud.

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01:32:16,040 --> 01:32:16,679
Speaker 8: I got loud.

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01:32:16,760 --> 01:32:21,400
Speaker 29: Oh don't we aren't acceptable behavior for him to get

1928
01:32:21,439 --> 01:32:22,360
Speaker 29: loud with me.

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01:32:22,920 --> 01:32:26,400
Speaker 28: And so it got louder and more intense, and finally

1930
01:32:26,439 --> 01:32:29,160
Speaker 28: it got I was fever pitch. I was hollering, and

1931
01:32:29,240 --> 01:32:35,040
Speaker 28: she said, I will leave you good married folks. Here

1932
01:32:35,080 --> 01:32:38,639
Speaker 28: is a word I want you to learn. Dial it back,

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01:32:39,160 --> 01:32:42,960
Speaker 28: no phrase, dial it back. I said, dial it back.

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01:32:43,040 --> 01:32:43,719
Speaker 28: Dollar value.

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01:32:43,880 --> 01:32:45,759
Speaker 22: He ordered everything that I thought.

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Speaker 8: We should have, went home, had dinner. At the end

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01:32:48,880 --> 01:32:50,720
Speaker 8: of the night, after everybody eating.

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01:32:51,560 --> 01:32:53,040
Speaker 22: We had leftovers.

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01:32:53,280 --> 01:32:55,519
Speaker 8: How much A lot, A lot.

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01:32:55,920 --> 01:33:01,240
Speaker 29: He doesn't like having Chinese leftovers because he says they're

1941
01:33:01,280 --> 01:33:02,240
Speaker 29: not good the next step.

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01:33:03,960 --> 01:33:05,560
Speaker 22: But he was right.

1943
01:33:07,280 --> 01:33:10,240
Speaker 8: And so when they left, we said, let's talk.

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01:33:10,439 --> 01:33:14,599
Speaker 29: No, you said he had to have a conversation, which

1945
01:33:14,640 --> 01:33:16,519
Speaker 29: was a very wise thing on his part.

1946
01:33:16,680 --> 01:33:18,679
Speaker 28: I said, we need to talk about this, and she said,

1947
01:33:18,840 --> 01:33:21,480
Speaker 28: very clearly, I don't like anybody.

1948
01:33:21,640 --> 01:33:22,719
Speaker 22: I'm a daddy's girl.

1949
01:33:23,160 --> 01:33:30,160
Speaker 29: My daddy Fire Brimstone Minister never raised his voice to me.

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01:33:30,840 --> 01:33:36,880
Speaker 29: Always sweet, loving kind, my brother and I always.

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01:33:36,120 --> 01:33:39,559
Speaker 4: And you went this big time talker, this big time

1952
01:33:39,640 --> 01:33:42,599
Speaker 4: talker over here, he talks to thousands. That's that's really

1953
01:33:42,720 --> 01:33:45,400
Speaker 4: he a big time talker, right, you know you p

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01:33:45,640 --> 01:33:47,600
Speaker 4: k't big time talker, p K.

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Speaker 1: At the rest, he became big time talker. P came on,

1956
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Speaker 1: Miss introvert, stepped up a game.

1957
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Speaker 8: There you go, and I said, and she said, I

1958
01:33:59,360 --> 01:34:00,599
Speaker 8: don't like people at me.

1959
01:34:00,720 --> 01:34:06,839
Speaker 28: And I said, got it. And now that I got yours,

1960
01:34:06,960 --> 01:34:10,519
Speaker 28: let me tell you mine. I don't like people threatening to.

1961
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Speaker 1: Leave me right, and don't threaten me.

1962
01:34:14,080 --> 01:34:17,280
Speaker 8: And so we made a we made an agreement.

1963
01:34:17,800 --> 01:34:20,320
Speaker 28: I said, I will never holler at you again, and

1964
01:34:20,400 --> 01:34:22,000
Speaker 28: she said, I'll never threaten to leave you.

1965
01:34:22,040 --> 01:34:24,920
Speaker 8: And that's been over thirty three years. We haven't had

1966
01:34:24,920 --> 01:34:25,840
Speaker 8: an argument since.

1967
01:34:26,200 --> 01:34:29,639
Speaker 28: We don't always agree, but we've learned how to have

1968
01:34:29,800 --> 01:34:34,200
Speaker 28: systems that will help us to disagree without being disagreeable.

1969
01:34:34,240 --> 01:34:38,479
Speaker 29: And that's a chapter in the book You Disagree without

1970
01:34:38,520 --> 01:34:41,080
Speaker 29: being disagreeable there really really is.

1971
01:34:41,320 --> 01:34:45,240
Speaker 4: But also isn't it also being disrespectful to in that

1972
01:34:45,400 --> 01:34:46,080
Speaker 4: part right there?

1973
01:34:46,120 --> 01:34:46,280
Speaker 6: You know?

1974
01:34:46,320 --> 01:34:48,760
Speaker 4: Which which I like about the book is that you

1975
01:34:48,800 --> 01:34:53,160
Speaker 4: know it is all about communication when you said it earlier, Willie,

1976
01:34:53,240 --> 01:34:56,880
Speaker 4: because that really communication and money, communication and big communication

1977
01:34:56,960 --> 01:34:58,759
Speaker 4: with your kids, communication when.

1978
01:34:58,600 --> 01:35:01,640
Speaker 8: You work all that if you don't communicate, and that

1979
01:35:01,720 --> 01:35:02,000
Speaker 8: was my.

1980
01:35:01,960 --> 01:35:05,360
Speaker 4: Biggest takeaway from this whole book was that you guys

1981
01:35:05,400 --> 01:35:08,760
Speaker 4: have mastered the art of communication. And that's what you're

1982
01:35:08,840 --> 01:35:11,680
Speaker 4: telling everybody. If you don't communicate, you can be two

1983
01:35:11,720 --> 01:35:14,200
Speaker 4: different people. And I love what you talk about. You know,

1984
01:35:14,360 --> 01:35:17,200
Speaker 4: he liked this type of food. I wasn't a sushi loved.

1985
01:35:17,560 --> 01:35:20,120
Speaker 4: I had to be brought home to that side of

1986
01:35:20,160 --> 01:35:22,760
Speaker 4: the table. And then when you got to the whole

1987
01:35:22,760 --> 01:35:25,559
Speaker 4: part about his daughter, share it. That's the point where

1988
01:35:25,600 --> 01:35:27,760
Speaker 4: I had the most fun in the book because d

1989
01:35:28,040 --> 01:35:31,040
Speaker 4: I didn't know you, but it is so vivid, it

1990
01:35:31,120 --> 01:35:35,280
Speaker 4: is so colorful. You driving at five hours to pick

1991
01:35:35,400 --> 01:35:39,040
Speaker 4: up his daughter and you wasn't one hundred percent in

1992
01:35:39,160 --> 01:35:41,679
Speaker 4: the club of going to back getting like you said,

1993
01:35:42,120 --> 01:35:43,240
Speaker 4: the ex wife.

1994
01:35:43,120 --> 01:35:45,960
Speaker 1: Made her bad. As you said, sleep.

1995
01:35:45,640 --> 01:35:53,000
Speaker 32: In it, you know, blended fair raisers can be very challenging,

1996
01:35:53,400 --> 01:35:56,760
Speaker 32: and marriages where you're blending up families.

1997
01:35:56,960 --> 01:35:58,960
Speaker 28: She had been married before I had a child, before

1998
01:35:58,960 --> 01:36:00,880
Speaker 28: I got married, and we had blend all of this

1999
01:36:01,439 --> 01:36:03,240
Speaker 28: and it was very challenging.

2000
01:36:03,600 --> 01:36:05,960
Speaker 8: But again, it was the communication.

2001
01:36:06,479 --> 01:36:10,679
Speaker 29: It was the wise counsel of my mom, a mentor.

2002
01:36:12,120 --> 01:36:14,960
Speaker 29: When I called her and said, what Willie was going

2003
01:36:15,000 --> 01:36:15,360
Speaker 29: to do?

2004
01:36:15,760 --> 01:36:18,040
Speaker 20: He was going to go pick up cherry.

2005
01:36:18,160 --> 01:36:21,679
Speaker 29: I'm like, the house is calm, everybody gets a long,

2006
01:36:21,760 --> 01:36:23,080
Speaker 29: Well why are you doing this?

2007
01:36:23,960 --> 01:36:25,080
Speaker 22: And my mother said to.

2008
01:36:25,120 --> 01:36:26,920
Speaker 1: Me, I tell you what you said. She said, this

2009
01:36:27,000 --> 01:36:27,880
Speaker 1: is what your mama said.

2010
01:36:28,520 --> 01:36:31,360
Speaker 4: You want to be married to a man that wants

2011
01:36:31,400 --> 01:36:34,160
Speaker 4: to be responsible to the children that he brought into

2012
01:36:34,200 --> 01:36:36,479
Speaker 4: this world. That's what your mama took me. Why wouldn't

2013
01:36:36,479 --> 01:36:38,879
Speaker 4: you want a man like that? Why would you respect

2014
01:36:38,960 --> 01:36:41,200
Speaker 4: a man like that? Why you wouldn't love a man

2015
01:36:41,320 --> 01:36:43,960
Speaker 4: like that? That's what your mama said. In this book

2016
01:36:44,080 --> 01:36:47,320
Speaker 4: that I read, Yes, you read that.

2017
01:36:48,640 --> 01:36:50,880
Speaker 8: That was her mama. And let me tell you something.

2018
01:36:51,479 --> 01:36:54,360
Speaker 28: It was the key because her mother made the difference,

2019
01:36:54,600 --> 01:36:56,200
Speaker 28: and so you know that communication.

2020
01:36:56,240 --> 01:36:57,920
Speaker 8: Look, the communication.

2021
01:36:57,439 --> 01:36:59,479
Speaker 28: Chapter is probably the biggest chapter in the book, and

2022
01:36:59,520 --> 01:37:02,120
Speaker 28: we give that away free everybody want to give to

2023
01:37:02,200 --> 01:37:04,280
Speaker 28: all your listeners, all the people who are viewing it.

2024
01:37:04,680 --> 01:37:09,160
Speaker 28: Go to jollymarriage dot com. Jollymarriage dot com get the

2025
01:37:09,160 --> 01:37:12,320
Speaker 28: free chapter from that book and will bless you. And

2026
01:37:12,360 --> 01:37:14,600
Speaker 28: if you choose to get the book, we recommend you

2027
01:37:14,640 --> 01:37:16,559
Speaker 28: get two copies for each of you.

2028
01:37:16,600 --> 01:37:18,400
Speaker 1: We've had so many couples who.

2029
01:37:18,280 --> 01:37:20,840
Speaker 28: Were on their way to divorce court who said we're

2030
01:37:20,880 --> 01:37:23,240
Speaker 28: going to try one more time. They got two copies

2031
01:37:23,280 --> 01:37:25,519
Speaker 28: and at the end of each chapter they would talk

2032
01:37:25,520 --> 01:37:26,519
Speaker 28: about what they learned.

2033
01:37:26,880 --> 01:37:28,840
Speaker 8: And we've had so many called afterwards.

2034
01:37:28,840 --> 01:37:30,920
Speaker 6: In one particular call and said, we've.

2035
01:37:30,760 --> 01:37:34,760
Speaker 28: Been married fifteen years and we're not only not divorcing,

2036
01:37:34,920 --> 01:37:36,640
Speaker 28: but when we got to the end, we closed the

2037
01:37:36,680 --> 01:37:39,639
Speaker 28: book and we cried together because we realized we really

2038
01:37:39,720 --> 01:37:42,280
Speaker 28: didn't know much about each other. So we want to

2039
01:37:42,320 --> 01:37:44,960
Speaker 28: give that away jollymarriage dot Com. Then we talked about

2040
01:37:45,000 --> 01:37:48,200
Speaker 28: sex eight.

2041
01:37:49,160 --> 01:37:51,960
Speaker 1: Chapter eight. Now I know about that chapter. Now, okay,

2042
01:37:52,240 --> 01:37:53,759
Speaker 1: chapter the hot chapter.

2043
01:37:55,040 --> 01:37:59,000
Speaker 29: I think because it's titled sex headaches to of the lies,

2044
01:37:59,000 --> 01:37:59,880
Speaker 29: he gets a lot of the ten.

2045
01:38:00,280 --> 01:38:03,599
Speaker 22: But sex is not just intercourse.

2046
01:38:03,280 --> 01:38:09,840
Speaker 29: Absolutely absolutely the intimacy which women need more so than

2047
01:38:09,880 --> 01:38:14,880
Speaker 29: the man, and it takes us along the road ending

2048
01:38:14,960 --> 01:38:20,680
Speaker 29: up with sex that intercourse. Right, But women need the words,

2049
01:38:21,160 --> 01:38:27,880
Speaker 29: They need the roses, they need the tenderness, rose, they

2050
01:38:28,000 --> 01:38:31,040
Speaker 29: need the sweet talk look.

2051
01:38:30,880 --> 01:38:35,000
Speaker 1: At you, at you too much? You too much?

2052
01:38:37,160 --> 01:38:40,599
Speaker 22: But it makes me want to be close to him

2053
01:38:41,360 --> 01:38:44,320
Speaker 22: about it. Sometimes we forget.

2054
01:38:45,200 --> 01:38:52,120
Speaker 29: Then all of the confusion and chaos, including the pandemic.

2055
01:38:52,800 --> 01:38:54,200
Speaker 22: We forget.

2056
01:38:55,600 --> 01:39:01,600
Speaker 29: Kind words, something tender. It actually draws the woman in

2057
01:39:02,320 --> 01:39:05,200
Speaker 29: and helps develop romance.

2058
01:39:05,520 --> 01:39:08,360
Speaker 28: Right right, And I tell brothers, look, brothers, if you

2059
01:39:08,479 --> 01:39:11,120
Speaker 28: want some action at night, you need to start working

2060
01:39:11,120 --> 01:39:11,960
Speaker 28: on it in the morning.

2061
01:39:12,640 --> 01:39:14,719
Speaker 1: Thank you to stop working in the morning.

2062
01:39:14,760 --> 01:39:16,800
Speaker 28: In the morning, I take her a smoothie in the

2063
01:39:16,800 --> 01:39:19,519
Speaker 28: morning of a couple of coffee. When she's at her desk,

2064
01:39:19,800 --> 01:39:21,920
Speaker 28: I send her a little text from my offer to her.

2065
01:39:22,280 --> 01:39:24,320
Speaker 22: She sure look across the hall from each other.

2066
01:39:24,600 --> 01:39:28,320
Speaker 8: I said, you sure look good today. Make a big

2067
01:39:28,360 --> 01:39:31,120
Speaker 8: difference and it will work better for you.

2068
01:39:31,320 --> 01:39:35,000
Speaker 28: Gentlemen, if you do it in that process, not just

2069
01:39:35,040 --> 01:39:37,759
Speaker 28: coming at the last minute that night gone you ready?

2070
01:39:37,880 --> 01:39:38,400
Speaker 5: You ready?

2071
01:39:38,760 --> 01:39:39,320
Speaker 1: That don't work.

2072
01:39:39,360 --> 01:39:40,519
Speaker 6: That don't work in this world.

2073
01:39:40,640 --> 01:39:45,200
Speaker 8: You gotta be more thoughtful and caring and tender.

2074
01:39:45,439 --> 01:39:48,520
Speaker 28: We can make a world of difference in your love life.

2075
01:39:50,000 --> 01:39:52,000
Speaker 4: I'm telling you something. We don't stop it. I'm trying

2076
01:39:52,000 --> 01:39:54,240
Speaker 4: to interview you, y'all. I got this. I read the book.

2077
01:39:54,280 --> 01:39:56,800
Speaker 1: I know y'all love. I know this might communication some

2078
01:39:56,840 --> 01:39:59,439
Speaker 1: people that need each other. That's what people need to

2079
01:40:00,280 --> 01:40:02,360
Speaker 1: will it? They stop it? Okay?

2080
01:40:02,439 --> 01:40:07,680
Speaker 4: Now, now let's talk about communication, because I want to

2081
01:40:07,720 --> 01:40:10,760
Speaker 4: go back a little bit to the Shary situation, because

2082
01:40:10,760 --> 01:40:14,000
Speaker 4: that was important because it was my communication, because it

2083
01:40:14,040 --> 01:40:18,959
Speaker 4: was one person accepting another young lady who was hostile

2084
01:40:19,400 --> 01:40:21,559
Speaker 4: because she didn't know. You know, the mom threw her

2085
01:40:21,560 --> 01:40:24,880
Speaker 4: hands up after she drank. And I always remember it

2086
01:40:24,920 --> 01:40:30,120
Speaker 4: was a very similar situation with my older sister. We

2087
01:40:30,240 --> 01:40:33,880
Speaker 4: moved her daughter in and we set rules, and then

2088
01:40:34,400 --> 01:40:36,160
Speaker 4: six months later she made the phone call.

2089
01:40:36,240 --> 01:40:40,120
Speaker 1: They treated me like I'm in prison. They won't let

2090
01:40:40,120 --> 01:40:42,760
Speaker 1: me go out. They won't And then of course, hey,

2091
01:40:42,920 --> 01:40:45,519
Speaker 1: the sister came got her. And I always regret that

2092
01:40:45,560 --> 01:40:47,360
Speaker 1: I didn't put up a bigger fight because I felt

2093
01:40:47,360 --> 01:40:50,280
Speaker 1: that she would have lived a different life if she

2094
01:40:50,360 --> 01:40:53,439
Speaker 1: would have been with us. And then but you had

2095
01:40:53,439 --> 01:40:55,480
Speaker 1: to change. That's the adjustment in communication.

2096
01:40:55,600 --> 01:40:57,720
Speaker 4: You know, we could joke around about the love, but

2097
01:40:57,800 --> 01:41:01,120
Speaker 4: this is the communication and accepting situations that you may

2098
01:41:01,160 --> 01:41:03,880
Speaker 4: not be comfortable with. And that's really what I took

2099
01:41:03,920 --> 01:41:07,639
Speaker 4: away when I read about the situation with Sherry. D

2100
01:41:07,720 --> 01:41:10,640
Speaker 4: you were not comfortable, and also WILLI. You were not

2101
01:41:10,680 --> 01:41:14,800
Speaker 4: comfortable because you had to mediate two people you love

2102
01:41:15,520 --> 01:41:19,160
Speaker 4: but also had to have discipline. And then D you

2103
01:41:19,240 --> 01:41:23,400
Speaker 4: had to admit you had to accept some of the

2104
01:41:23,479 --> 01:41:26,400
Speaker 4: rulings that he put in place to make this thing work.

2105
01:41:26,560 --> 01:41:29,840
Speaker 4: So there was an acceptance, there was a communication, and

2106
01:41:30,000 --> 01:41:33,720
Speaker 4: also accepting the ability to feel uncomfortable for the bigger goal.

2107
01:41:34,240 --> 01:41:36,120
Speaker 4: That was the most amazing part of the book for

2108
01:41:36,240 --> 01:41:38,559
Speaker 4: me because I took away so many different levels.

2109
01:41:38,560 --> 01:41:44,240
Speaker 29: Wow, that's great insight. And I think that you have

2110
01:41:44,439 --> 01:41:48,479
Speaker 29: to be willing to accept your own limitations in really

2111
01:41:48,520 --> 01:41:51,599
Speaker 29: who you are, right, Because if I had not been

2112
01:41:51,680 --> 01:41:57,200
Speaker 29: willing to say I'm doing this because I believe in

2113
01:41:57,200 --> 01:42:02,120
Speaker 29: and willing right, I married I don't agree. We talked

2114
01:42:02,120 --> 01:42:05,719
Speaker 29: about that because he's my best friend. The whole idea

2115
01:42:05,880 --> 01:42:09,000
Speaker 29: I got to do all I can to save my daughter.

2116
01:42:09,520 --> 01:42:13,200
Speaker 29: I had to be on board, which meant I had

2117
01:42:13,280 --> 01:42:18,040
Speaker 29: to do the right thing whether I felt it or not.

2118
01:42:18,400 --> 01:42:22,519
Speaker 29: And that I think is so major. We get many

2119
01:42:22,520 --> 01:42:27,879
Speaker 29: of us blended families. We get caught up in the emotions,

2120
01:42:27,880 --> 01:42:32,040
Speaker 29: and so we get carried away to the wrong things.

2121
01:42:32,560 --> 01:42:36,639
Speaker 29: We know the right things to do, We must do

2122
01:42:36,880 --> 01:42:40,559
Speaker 29: the right things, and then gradually the emotions come in

2123
01:42:41,160 --> 01:42:45,360
Speaker 29: and the situation changes hopefully right.

2124
01:42:45,560 --> 01:42:49,040
Speaker 28: And we talk about that in this chapter called how

2125
01:42:49,080 --> 01:42:54,559
Speaker 28: to Handle a Stalemate. And it is a great object

2126
01:42:54,640 --> 01:42:59,880
Speaker 28: lesson on when you have two people who have opposite of.

2127
01:43:01,120 --> 01:43:06,120
Speaker 29: And that's something that we decided on before we got married.

2128
01:43:06,200 --> 01:43:10,960
Speaker 29: Really had already talked about that in terms of this

2129
01:43:11,080 --> 01:43:14,680
Speaker 29: is not really it's fifty one forty. That might not

2130
01:43:14,760 --> 01:43:19,240
Speaker 29: be a popular position today, But you can't have a

2131
01:43:19,280 --> 01:43:21,160
Speaker 29: two headed You could have a two headed.

2132
01:43:20,920 --> 01:43:23,280
Speaker 22: Monster, but then you got a monster. So how do

2133
01:43:23,360 --> 01:43:24,080
Speaker 22: we work for this?

2134
01:43:24,560 --> 01:43:27,240
Speaker 28: We worked through it by deciding early on I said

2135
01:43:27,280 --> 01:43:32,080
Speaker 28: to her, look, you run everything, run the house, run

2136
01:43:32,120 --> 01:43:32,559
Speaker 28: the business.

2137
01:43:32,600 --> 01:43:34,640
Speaker 8: All I want you to do is to make me

2138
01:43:34,720 --> 01:43:37,360
Speaker 8: think I'm in charge. I felt that was such.

2139
01:43:37,200 --> 01:43:40,200
Speaker 22: A wise statement on the part of this young.

2140
01:43:40,080 --> 01:43:43,120
Speaker 28: Man, all right, and so I said, let me think

2141
01:43:43,160 --> 01:43:45,320
Speaker 28: I'm in charge. I said, but what I will ask

2142
01:43:45,400 --> 01:43:50,680
Speaker 28: for but is veto power. And when we are at

2143
01:43:50,760 --> 01:43:51,920
Speaker 28: a place where we.

2144
01:43:51,960 --> 01:43:55,599
Speaker 22: Both are a stalemate, and all I ask.

2145
01:43:55,479 --> 01:43:57,840
Speaker 28: You is give me veto Paul, and I promise you,

2146
01:43:57,960 --> 01:43:58,880
Speaker 28: I promise you I.

2147
01:43:58,840 --> 01:44:00,519
Speaker 8: Will never a music.

2148
01:44:01,040 --> 01:44:04,800
Speaker 28: And in thirty six years of marriage, I've used it

2149
01:44:04,920 --> 01:44:06,400
Speaker 28: maybe two or three times.

2150
01:44:06,439 --> 01:44:08,120
Speaker 22: Always related to the children.

2151
01:44:07,880 --> 01:44:11,040
Speaker 8: Always related to the children, Always related to the children.

2152
01:44:10,800 --> 01:44:12,960
Speaker 28: Everything else we got. And I learned this from my

2153
01:44:13,640 --> 01:44:16,920
Speaker 28: mom and dad Rashan. When my dad would be driving

2154
01:44:16,960 --> 01:44:19,880
Speaker 28: down the road, my mom would be in a passenger

2155
01:44:19,960 --> 01:44:22,360
Speaker 28: seat and you remember, back in the old days, they

2156
01:44:22,400 --> 01:44:25,760
Speaker 28: didn't have sea windows that had elected and you had

2157
01:44:25,760 --> 01:44:28,240
Speaker 28: that one rear view mirror, you didn't have one on

2158
01:44:28,280 --> 01:44:31,000
Speaker 28: that side, and were riding down the street and he said,

2159
01:44:31,000 --> 01:44:31,679
Speaker 28: can I get over?

2160
01:44:31,960 --> 01:44:33,120
Speaker 8: And my mom would roll that.

2161
01:44:33,160 --> 01:44:35,439
Speaker 28: Window down and stick her head out the window, and

2162
01:44:35,439 --> 01:44:38,439
Speaker 28: she say either yes or no, and he would take

2163
01:44:38,479 --> 01:44:41,479
Speaker 28: his action dependent on what she told because they were

2164
01:44:41,560 --> 01:44:45,840
Speaker 28: teammates and they made decisions together. So I took that

2165
01:44:46,200 --> 01:44:48,519
Speaker 28: object lesson when we got married and said, look, you're

2166
01:44:48,560 --> 01:44:51,280
Speaker 28: my teammate. Nine times out of ten when you say

2167
01:44:51,600 --> 01:44:53,519
Speaker 28: we can get over, can I'm gonna listen to you

2168
01:44:53,560 --> 01:44:55,080
Speaker 28: because you're always in it.

2169
01:44:55,000 --> 01:44:56,120
Speaker 22: For our best good.

2170
01:44:56,400 --> 01:44:59,000
Speaker 28: But that one time when we have a difference, and

2171
01:44:59,080 --> 01:45:02,559
Speaker 28: I know moral this was a moral decision, not emotional

2172
01:45:02,600 --> 01:45:05,960
Speaker 28: decision with my daughter who was acting up and her

2173
01:45:06,040 --> 01:45:07,880
Speaker 28: mama called and said you got to come get her,

2174
01:45:08,040 --> 01:45:10,040
Speaker 28: and D said, no, I don't want to do it.

2175
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Speaker 28: This was a critical moral decision. I said, we got

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Speaker 28: to do it. It's the right thing. I know it's hard,

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Speaker 28: but we got to do it. And this is one

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Speaker 28: of those times I got to use veto power. And

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Speaker 28: she said, okay, once we here's a big thing. Show yeah,

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Speaker 28: big thing.

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Speaker 8: Once we said yes, she was all in.

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Speaker 29: But that is with anything where once you make the

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Speaker 29: decision okay, I want to go right, I want to

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Speaker 29: go left, I want AU want B. Once you come

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Speaker 29: to an agreement, you both have to be all in.

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Speaker 22: So even if it didn't.

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Speaker 29: Turn out right, I had to make sure that I

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Speaker 29: had done everything in my power that I could do

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Speaker 29: to make it a success, so that he could never say, well,

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Speaker 29: you know, D, you didn't do No. This is a

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Speaker 29: joint effort and we rise or fall together.

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Speaker 33: And if it had gone south and it hadn't worked out,

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Speaker 33: and it didn't work out, work out fine, But if

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Speaker 33: it had gone south, I also knew she would never

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Speaker 33: say to me, I told you so that you know

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Speaker 33: I already would have know the fat.

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Speaker 29: He wants to be told I messed up, and you

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Speaker 29: told me before, and now you're going to remind me again.

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Speaker 29: It takes us to the airport story. Oh we have

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Speaker 29: so many stories. Missed the flight.

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Speaker 1: Right right, the flight that was my fault.

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Speaker 6: I was.

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Speaker 8: I knew it all, I had it.

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Speaker 28: I'm I'm the traffic hour and I said we'll get

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Speaker 28: there fine enough time, we don't need to leave early.

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Speaker 28: She keeps saying we need to leave. I got it,

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Speaker 28: and we get caught in traffic. We missed the flight,

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Speaker 28: and we're standing there and.

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Speaker 29: He's using all of his persuasive powers to get on

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Speaker 29: the flight.

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Speaker 22: Doors the closed and getting ready to pull back from

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Speaker 22: the gate.

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Speaker 28: Right, I say, not a word as you say. And

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Speaker 28: we eventually got a connecting flight to get us to

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Speaker 28: the place where I had to speak the next morning.

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Speaker 22: But at midnight, we got in where.

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Speaker 8: We could have been in at six at six pm.

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Speaker 20: I love.

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Speaker 1: She's a reminder.

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Speaker 4: Though, she's a reminder though you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 8: I'm not saying anything.

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Speaker 28: I was already biggest. I would beating myself up. I

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Speaker 28: love to learn from that. She had my back even

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Speaker 28: when I messed up.

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Speaker 1: I want to I want to ask this question.

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Speaker 28: I want to say it to spouses that you can

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Speaker 28: have each other's back even when you mess up, because

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Speaker 28: they know they messed up.

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Speaker 4: I want to ask you this question because you know,

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Speaker 4: because it's the part, and because my wife will go

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Speaker 4: to church.

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Speaker 1: I'm not a church chrs.

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Speaker 4: And one of the one of the you know, recommendations

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Speaker 4: of the ten points is make God an equal part

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Speaker 4: of your marriage. I'm not saying it is not an

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Speaker 4: equal part. And I want help with this. And I

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Speaker 4: wanted to help my viewers and my listeners when you

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Speaker 4: talk about God, because you talk about certain points that

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Speaker 4: you prayed and your decisions were brought through prayer, and

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Speaker 4: I want to help us through that whole process.

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Speaker 1: When you say something like that, now.

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Speaker 28: This is a principle. Now look what we talk about

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Speaker 28: in this book are ten principles. Now we wrote our

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Speaker 28: ten principles. But then after I thought the book was finished,

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Speaker 28: we went and interview people were made for married forty.

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Speaker 1: To fifty sixty seventy years.

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Speaker 28: And one of the things they all said was make

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Speaker 28: God an equal part of your marriage.

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Speaker 6: Right.

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Speaker 28: They said that the marriage is like a triangle. It

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Speaker 28: has three corners. This is me, this is the and

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Speaker 28: this is God up the top. Now, this is thirty

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Speaker 28: three percent. This is thirty three percent. But that's only

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Speaker 28: what's left is thirty four percent, and that's God. And

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Speaker 28: so he has the majority ownership of the marriage. And

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Speaker 28: so he gives us these principles that work if we

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Speaker 28: will use them.

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Speaker 29: Now, well we practice the concepts that come from the Bible.

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Speaker 8: From the Bible that the principals are marriage. Now right here.

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Speaker 8: The principal principals work the bedrock. They work over and

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Speaker 8: over again. If I throw this rock up, throw this rock.

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Speaker 28: Up every time, it's going to come down every time

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Speaker 28: I do it a hundred times, a million times, ten

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Speaker 28: million times because of a principle called gravity. These principles work,

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Speaker 28: They work over time, over time, and overtime because they

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Speaker 28: are bedrock principles.

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Speaker 22: Take romance. Romance is Solomon.

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Speaker 8: That's right, the song is Solomon. So there are lots

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Speaker 8: of principles. And the Bible says the bed should not

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Speaker 8: be underfied. That you got a.

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Speaker 28: Brother, got to get hooked up. That's what it means.

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Speaker 28: That's the difference between sex and intimacy. Okay, women need

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Speaker 28: intimacy and security. Men need sex and respect. And they

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Speaker 28: are principles that are going to be all the time.

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Speaker 28: Because even the scientific studies show that men think about

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Speaker 28: sex seventeen times a day on average, and.

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Speaker 8: Sometime before breakfast. So we know that that is the case.

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Speaker 28: So what we say to married couples is understand that

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Speaker 28: these principles are bedrock.

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Speaker 6: They work in.

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Speaker 28: The words, in the words, So we trust God through

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Speaker 28: our marriage and we run it through that prism, everything

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Speaker 28: through that.

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Speaker 6: God say about this raising kids.

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Speaker 22: How to be sweet to each other?

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Speaker 29: Yeah, and I say, how to be those words, how

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Speaker 29: to be sweet to each other. But the tenderness, the

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