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Speaker 1: Welcome to Money Making Conversations. It's the show that she

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Speaker 1: your host, Rashan McDonald. I always tell people it's time

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Speaker 1: include consumers, uh, CEOs, entrepreneurs, and what I call industry

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Speaker 1: decision maker. My next guest, he's an interesting decision maker.

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Speaker 1: He's a celebrity because he's on TV every night. He's

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Speaker 1: of Seeing n Tonight with Don Lemon, and he's America's

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Speaker 1: death of George Floyd's on the summer nationwide protests and riots.

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Speaker 1: The viewers and myself we depended on him nightly to

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Speaker 1: guide us through the global pandemic. I recently got a vaccine,

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Speaker 1: deeply personal and riveteen plead. His new book shows us

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Speaker 1: is entitled This is the Fire What I Say to

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Speaker 1: My friends about Racism. Don brings his vast audience and

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Speaker 1: experience as a reporter and a black man to today's

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Speaker 1: most urgent question, how can we end racism in America

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Speaker 1: in our lifetime? Please welcome to Money Making Conversation Don

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Speaker 1: Lemon for Sean. Thank you so much. It's good to

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Speaker 1: be with you. Again and while on an introduction, Well,

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Speaker 1: you know, some man, it was. It was emotional, you know,

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Speaker 1: because I read the book and the book was a journey.

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Speaker 1: And I say that to everybody that before I get

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Speaker 1: into detail about the book. One of the things that

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Speaker 1: I love what you said is somebody says they have

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Speaker 1: the answer the racism, basically walk away from because they lack.

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Speaker 1: And you say that in the book because that's true.

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Speaker 1: Talk to us about that. Well, I said, I wanted

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Speaker 1: so um, so you're right on about that. I it was,

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Speaker 1: it was. It was a tough thing to write this book, knowing,

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Speaker 1: um what I know and experiencing what I experience, and

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Speaker 1: it was, as you said, very personal. Just before just

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Speaker 1: Can we move on. That's not me. They don't really

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Speaker 1: Trump in to you said, he led us to the fire,

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Speaker 1: Because I say, young people, you're never too young to

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Speaker 1: take all the challenge, never too young to serve, never

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Speaker 1: too young to expel, and don't let anybody diminish you.

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Speaker 1: But you gotta know you're ready. You gotta have a

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Speaker 1: confidence in your ability, and you've got to be mature

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Speaker 1: enough to make the difficult and challenging decisions. And you know,

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Speaker 1: I feel so so especially that I want to give

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Speaker 1: back the lessons I've learned. The Cafe Morga Swag Award

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Speaker 1: represents men who have strength, whose wisdom is asserted, and

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Speaker 1: who is genuine in their spirit. Welcome back to money

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Speaker 1: making conversations with your host Rashan McDonald. My next guest

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Speaker 1: is Terence to Real. Let me just let y'all know

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Speaker 1: a little bit about him, because I've been following him.

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Speaker 1: He's motor y'all, half man, half motorcycle. You those progressive motors. Now,

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Speaker 1: I know all that black dude, that black dude on

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Speaker 1: that on that treadmill, on that tramior burning rubble. That's

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Speaker 1: my man right here, Terence Terrell. We're gonna put the

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Speaker 1: word out by him. He's an Emmy Award when an actor, author, musician,

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Speaker 1: and philanthropist. He's appeared on Bosh for Amazon, Loved Him,

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Speaker 1: On That Room, One on Fourth for HBO, Batwoman for

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Speaker 1: the c W, and The First Wives Club for BT Plus. Also,

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Speaker 1: he's a Raised The Giants, for which he won a

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Speaker 1: Daytime Emmy for Outstanding Supported Actor in the digital drama series.

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Speaker 1: Chance can be seen in series on the series on

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Speaker 1: New Truck Laurie, I'm Chuck Laura I Chuck, Laurie calls you.

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Speaker 1: Then you start get know your needs. You said, thank God,

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Speaker 1: because this man history on television is legendary for sustaining

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Speaker 1: sitcoms on the air. But let's go a little bit

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Speaker 1: about this brother here. He's uh, he's originally from Cleveland, Mississippi.

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Speaker 1: So you have to use the word humble, beguinneas with him.

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Speaker 1: He's an HPC your law Mississippi Valley State, that's Jr.

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Speaker 1: Rance Country Willie Todd, you know what I'm talking about,

462
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Speaker 1: and currently resides in Los Angeles, California. You know the

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Speaker 1: beauty of him. Man. He has a book out that

464
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Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about is a self published children's book

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Speaker 1: series and includes the titles of Blackie, He's a previous

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Speaker 1: book that he's written, but my Little Black Book. The

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Speaker 1: book promotes black beauty, inclusion, and self love, which is

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Speaker 1: some of the forces that drive this young man as

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Speaker 1: he builds his empire through his talent, hard work, passion,

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Speaker 1: and his commitment to making other people better. Please work

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Speaker 1: with the money making a conversation. He had to change

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Speaker 1: his background once he realized who was interviewing him. He

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Speaker 1: thought he was in the basement. Please welcome terrce does

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Speaker 1: be showing up? I was like, let me let me

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Speaker 1: show it out. Let me get ready for you. No,

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Speaker 1: hold up, hey man, Okay, who are you overgain hold on?

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Speaker 1: Hold on, hold hold on. That's your background? That ain't

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Speaker 1: no like uh like the a little thing they just

479
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Speaker 1: put on like a little flip pitcher. Now that's me, brother,

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Speaker 1: Let me know about me. Let me do something where

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Speaker 1: you're upgrading ground. Well, first of all, you're a handsome guy,

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Speaker 1: So any background you'll be in front of gonna work

483
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Speaker 1: for you. So let's go and get that. That's gonna

484
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Speaker 1: get that out to wait. But you come from Cleveland, Mississippi. Now,

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Speaker 1: I've been all over. I have been in that city because,

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Speaker 1: like I said, I know about Cleveland, uh, Mississippi, Alabama,

487
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Speaker 1: because I was a stand up comedian. So I was

488
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Speaker 1: going up and down all the little towns man, just

489
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Speaker 1: trying to make my career work. And and when you're

490
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Speaker 1: trying to make your career work, sometimes you have to

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Speaker 1: do in play places that on one on that schedule

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Speaker 1: for starting. And so come from Cleveland now residing in

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Speaker 1: Los Angeles, tell us about their journey because we have

494
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Speaker 1: to stop at the HBCU country that I mentioned in

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Speaker 1: your intro Mississippi Valley State. Because right now HBCU brand

496
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Speaker 1: recognition is on fire. You have to be proud. Yes, Um,

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Speaker 1: So I was raised that while I grew up in Mississippi,

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Speaker 1: but my mom moved us from Cleveland at five and

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Speaker 1: I went to San Diego, and then I came back

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Speaker 1: to Clean, Mississippi when I was fifteen because my grandmother.

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Speaker 1: You know, you go back to the South because somebody

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Speaker 1: sick or you gotta help family, remember house. So my

503
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Speaker 1: grandmother had open heart surgery, so I went back to

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Speaker 1: help her out. Um, and I end up going to

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Speaker 1: college at Missisipi Valley State there undergrad that was undergrad

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Speaker 1: then grad school. I went to Jackson State. But I

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Speaker 1: was a drum major at Mississippi Valley State. So I

508
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Speaker 1: was in front of the band. Come on that you

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Speaker 1: was that guy that did displayed. Now, hey man, let's

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Speaker 1: let's let's talk about that man, because that's no joke. Man,

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Speaker 1: You're the drum major for a black marching band and

512
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Speaker 1: an HBCU. Hey brother, than you know, finally somebody understand

513
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Speaker 1: when you say drum major. They'd be like, oh, the

514
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Speaker 1: person that played drum major is literally like the Michael

515
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Speaker 1: Jackson of the band. You gotta you gotta be you

516
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 1: gotta know the steps, you gotta know the cues, you

517
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Speaker 1: gotta know the sections. You gotta be in control. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: so you know the gangster of what a drum major is.

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00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 1: I became a drum major freshman year, and that usually

520
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Speaker 1: never happens. You gotta be in the gym. Not the gym,

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Speaker 1: but you gotta be in a band for at least

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Speaker 1: two years to do that. As I tried out and

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Speaker 1: I made it, and so I was a freshman drum

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Speaker 1: major and so you know, of course I had to

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Speaker 1: be very strong because you have people in the band,

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Speaker 1: like what seven years they ain't graduated. Maybe it was

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Speaker 1: just being a band, So yeah, it was. It was

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Speaker 1: a very cool experience by learning so much music, so

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Speaker 1: so many amazing things that you can learn. You learn

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Speaker 1: how to survive that HBCU. You of course get your education,

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Speaker 1: but you learn how to make a way out of

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Speaker 1: no way, right, And it's really important you sitting there

533
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Speaker 1: and look because I don't want to because we talked

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Speaker 1: about HBCUs and I want to go back to that

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Speaker 1: bunching band experience, because that's the cornerstone of what HBCUs

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Speaker 1: are known for. And you know, we know about sports,

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Speaker 1: but the bands or that half, I'm shure. And then

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Speaker 1: you then you cast it throwing to HBCU. Well, you

539
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Speaker 1: know I did undergrad it Miss Valor State and then

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Speaker 1: I did granted Jackson State with Dion Sanders, got him

541
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Speaker 1: two old tanning up all on the front bas ESPN.

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Speaker 1: They undefeated everything. Man, you have to be in Miss

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Speaker 1: Valor State home Hall of Famer Jared Rice. Man, you

544
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Speaker 1: have to be brother. You gotta have some hbc you

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Speaker 1: photos and from your house. It's it's it's a great

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Speaker 1: time for hbc U. My degrees. But the funny thing

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Speaker 1: is coach Todd and he was at my He used

548
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Speaker 1: to coach at my high school at East Side High

549
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 1: in Cleveland, and then when I went into I think

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Speaker 1: he left and went to Valley State. So I marched

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Speaker 1: into Titan Ross Rice Stadium on a weekly basis. So

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Speaker 1: just the just the love and the energy that I

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Speaker 1: got from there. And then of course it was so

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Speaker 1: funny because you know a lot of people like you

555
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 1: shouldn't go to two HBCU. You should go to undergrad

556
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Speaker 1: at one and then maybe you should go to old Mrs. Something.

557
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 1: But I was like, no, I'm gonna stick. I'm gonna

558
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 1: stick from my HBCU and I'm gonna do Jackson State

559
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 1: because you know, they say you won't look upon as

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Speaker 1: a serious college student if you went to to h

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Speaker 1: b c U S. So, thank god out and listened

562
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Speaker 1: to quote unquote day whoever they are. You know, it's

563
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 1: always a day. They said this, they said that, But

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Speaker 1: thank god I didn't listen to them, because I learned

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00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 1: a lot at Jackson State as well, and I graduated

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Speaker 1: from grad school at the age of one, came out

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Speaker 1: here and got right into the whole background standing and everything.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, it was it's been a journey. I'm just blessed.

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Speaker 1: You got a small guy. You know, you're over six ft, right,

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Speaker 1: I'm six ft five and a half. Kay, Okay, that's

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00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 1: the other thing. See, you want to see you on

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00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 1: another level, you know a lot, because you know, a

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Speaker 1: drummage that has to be at least six ft tall,

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Speaker 1: And I didn't understand that for the A and M

575
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Speaker 1: when I first saw them, those dudes, you want to

576
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 1: it was like six nine because people have to see you.

577
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, cool, but they had after I left,

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Speaker 1: they got a drum major. He was like five two

579
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Speaker 1: or something. But you have to be tall, so people,

580
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 1: but then you also have to be able to be

581
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Speaker 1: tall and move and fluid because agrees what I'm saying

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Speaker 1: that because see, you know, because college prepares you so

583
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Speaker 1: so many things. And I'm just gonna read something saying

584
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Speaker 1: that as a freshman you was a drum major at

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Speaker 1: an HBCU mrs A Valley State. Okay, right there. You know,

586
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Speaker 1: the the amount of confidence is overwhelming in a sense

587
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 1: because you were blessed to be able to believe in yourself.

588
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 1: Because now you're taking that same courage, the same I've been.

589
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 1: I've been there before, I've been in front, I've been

590
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Speaker 1: tested to l a and you're achieving a lot of success.

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Speaker 1: Like I said, man, and I love what you said

592
00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 1: when people told you, hey, man, don't do back to back.

593
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 1: HBC used people will drop in trying. That's why I

594
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 1: was up the front. Don't let nobody getting your dreams

595
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 1: or playing your future. Not your family, friends, coworkers, nobody.

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Speaker 1: That's why I always said it up time and you

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Speaker 1: you speak to truth right now, I'm telling you because

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00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 1: if you let anybody put the price on you, everybody

599
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 1: loves a clearance cell. They always gonna cheat you. So

600
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 1: never let anybody tell you what you can't do. And

601
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 1: if you if they tell you, know you're just speaking

602
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 1: to the wrong person. So go found that person. Figure

603
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 1: it out. But like you said, HBCUs taught me a lot.

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00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 1: It taught me drive, It taught me focused, and it

605
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:36,959
Speaker 1: taught me never to take no for an answer. Um

606
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 1: and always there's always a will. Where there's a will,

607
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 1: there's a way, and hard work always pays off. So

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Speaker 1: even when I got here, I wasn't thinking like, oh,

609
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get discovered out of gas station. I was like, Okay,

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00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 1: where do I need? I know there's work to do.

611
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 1: Where do I need to do? Where do I need

612
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 1: to go to get that work to make sure I'm

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Speaker 1: where I'm supposed to be. And I went Scott to

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Speaker 1: acting classes and everything else and the rest is history. Okay. Cool?

615
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 1: And the cool part about when we're talking here about

616
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Speaker 1: your career, about going through this whole process of defining you,

617
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Speaker 1: And that's what I love about when when when I

618
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 1: try to bring people on the show like My My

619
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Speaker 1: My Show airs on YouTube airors on Heart, but it

620
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Speaker 1: also airs on nine HBCU campuses intentionally intentionally and uh

621
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Speaker 1: and so when we talk about you man and representing

622
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 1: and your philanthropy, because we're gonna go we're gonna get

623
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 1: talking about a little Black Book. Of course, we're gonna

624
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 1: talk about be positive. But I really wanted to talk

625
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 1: about you because you're an inspiration brother, you know, inspiration

626
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 1: and a very well timed inspiration. And and I want

627
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Speaker 1: to go to the famous commercial because you six five

628
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 1: now as motak you don't look six five. You look

629
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Speaker 1: at five too because you ain't got no letter. You

630
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 1: got it right here too, somebody. Yeah, the motor of

631
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Speaker 1: it all. And it's so funny. I love the way

632
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 1: that you say confidence because I felt like I didn't

633
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 1: have a lot of confidence growing up. And that's why

634
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 1: I wrote these books of um like Blackie came from

635
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 1: me not liking my skin color. And so I say

636
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Speaker 1: all that to say when I went out for the motor,

637
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,479
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm not doing this. This is crazy.

638
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 1: They're not gonna pick me. Why Me and my best

639
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 1: friend Jamaal Um He was like, tee, you gotta go.

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00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 1: It was raining the l A and something like they

641
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 1: don't be driving like gremlins in the rain. I'm not

642
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 1: gonna be driving like forty minutes outside. So I was, okay,

643
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 1: let me just do it. And I went there and

644
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 1: I did it and I got the call back, and um,

645
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 1: the director was so amazing. The first thing he did

646
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 1: he stood up, and that was unusual. He stood up

647
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 1: and came to me before I auditioned and gave me

648
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 1: a handshake, looked me in my eyes and told me like,

649
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 1: there was only a couple of people I can see,

650
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 1: and you was one that I knew I needed to

651
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 1: see because of your confidence. And I'm like, oh, but

652
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 1: there's a reason for everything. So if I didn't go

653
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 1: through all the craziness and you know, the losses and

654
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 1: getting all those elves and then having to grow, I

655
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 1: would have not been the person I was, and you

656
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 1: know the man who I am now to actually even

657
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 1: get into the motor of it all because they said

658
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 1: he exhumed confidence, and to me, I was like, I'm

659
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 1: just being myself, right, yeah, because you have to be confident.

660
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 1: You have man have motorcycles. You're really looking like who's

661
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 1: looking at who are you in his word or in

662
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 1: our world? But it's all that, but we got some

663
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 1: amazing ones coming up on the fifth te Okay, you

664
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 1: guys want to see a way more of his personalities. Okay, cool, Well,

665
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 1: well let me know because I'm want to dropped that

666
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 1: on my social and my news my weekly newsletter too.

667
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 1: You know, because I will honor you, especially with the

668
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 1: fact that you know, I knew in your in your

669
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 1: bio is only mentions Mississippi Valley State. So I got

670
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 1: a really honor you. You you're you're too tired hbc U.

671
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 1: You know, so that that's the love I got to

672
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 1: give you on that. But that's all I was just

673
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 1: saying earlier, is that is that because HBCU and you

674
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 1: being a drummy to prepared you and a lot of

675
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 1: people trivialized things when it becomes part of your personality,

676
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,399
Speaker 1: part of your success story. And that's all that guy

677
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:00,040
Speaker 1: was saying when he walked up to you, he's and

678
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 1: you're confident, and then it's been so built into you

679
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 1: going out there, going out knowing what you had to do.

680
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 1: Did you said you was a freshman knowing what you

681
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,840
Speaker 1: had to give? Now I was like, okay, you can

682
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:22,720
Speaker 1: do March God. Yeah, I'm telling your best Mr Terrence direct,

683
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:24,799
Speaker 1: but you don't do it is best with me, brother,

684
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 1: what because because the beauty of you, man is that

685
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 1: is when I when I look at your career. You know,

686
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 1: we're going to the Bosh, your Amazon, you know, Batwoman,

687
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 1: you know, the First Wives Club, you know, comedy, you know,

688
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 1: and then you're playing a character that's not real. You're

689
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 1: seeing through it, but you make it real. Because I

690
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,320
Speaker 1: remember how I told my wife. I said, baby, I

691
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 1: was like a kid, I'm gonna interview Mota. She said.

692
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 1: I said, the black dude who's half man half see

693
00:35:55,320 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 1: that phool man and been such a blessing. Because the

694
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 1: funny thing is the grown men. I see grown men

695
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 1: now they go crazy about it. So a lot of

696
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 1: people think I'm Lebron James. When I have my mask

697
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,320
Speaker 1: for the guy follows and I always get like a

698
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 1: random person followed me through the grocery store. The guy

699
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 1: followed me, I was here we go again, and he

700
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,399
Speaker 1: keen James and I took my mask off. I said no,

701
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 1: I did take it off. I said no. He just

702
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: stood there like, let me see my mask off and

703
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 1: he screamed, you're so he wouldn't leave. I took a

704
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 1: bit with him. But it's like you get the big

705
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 1: motorcycle guys, tattoos, the beers. Oh my god, you're the Moltore,

706
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 1: You're the Moldtour. So it's it's so cool. It's so

707
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 1: it's just a blessing to be you know, A right.

708
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 1: I didn't. I wouldn't never thought. You know, you come

709
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 1: out here, you just think you want to do one thing.

710
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 1: I just want to be on a show or just

711
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:51,799
Speaker 1: one show, Give me one show. And that year I

712
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 1: was like, just give me one commercial. I end up

713
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: doing five and two days and then now it's up

714
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:01,839
Speaker 1: to almost twenty eight commercials with that amazing it's all,

715
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 1: it's just all been amazing riding. I think I know

716
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 1: the reason I'm blessed because I continue to give even

717
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 1: when I may not even have. But at the same time,

718
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,320
Speaker 1: I know how special this is to being in space,

719
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 1: so I never take anything for granted. Every time I

720
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 1: put on that w B LIT I used to watch

721
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:20,839
Speaker 1: that when I was a child, So pulling onto those

722
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 1: gates every day of the week, it's like I really

723
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 1: just I just know I'm blessed. And I know you know,

724
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,399
Speaker 1: I've been there man doing Jamie Foxx, you know, pull

725
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 1: it up on therer man. And because very few people

726
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 1: allowing that gate, brother, you know that, you know you're

727
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 1: walking the gags. Very few of us, you know, in

728
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 1: those gates. And so I've been on Paramount Lot, W

729
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 1: B Lot, you know all the Sony lots, you know

730
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 1: all those blocks. Man, when they say your name and

731
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,320
Speaker 1: then you come on there so much I go on

732
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 1: by Terrence, you know, that's when you go, yeah, man,

733
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 1: this is just the feeling I want to keep, just

734
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 1: the feeling I want to have because that's that's that's

735
00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:00,360
Speaker 1: a very small club, tarantine and you know that about club,

736
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 1: and it's a even with the show. This this is

737
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 1: a real life and it feels so good because every

738
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:07,800
Speaker 1: character I've been blessed to play it's a mirror to

739
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:11,240
Speaker 1: real people. And my grandmother was one of dialysis dressed

740
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 1: like Diana Ross and she will always say she's making

741
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:17,439
Speaker 1: dialysis entertaining, like how that, what's what? And so now

742
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 1: I'm literally making dialysis educating people every week, but making

743
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:24,799
Speaker 1: it entertaining as well. So it's all it's it's but

744
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 1: at the same time, I know it's a responsibility. So

745
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 1: even walking I might be going too deep, but even

746
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 1: walking on there, I'm like, wow, like the Sydney Portier's

747
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 1: and all these amazing people paved the way for me

748
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,879
Speaker 1: to be here. So I take every day very very

749
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 1: serious and that I'm in the space to allow more

750
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 1: space for us. Absolutely, and you have to because you know,

751
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 1: and you know the reason I really enjoyed talking to you.

752
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 1: You know, first of all, I want to congratulate you

753
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 1: on the daytime Emmy, I'll standing support the actor. The

754
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 1: digital drives over there and you know what I'm talking about.

755
00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:59,840
Speaker 1: And I tell people all the time I introduced a

756
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 1: all the people they'll say, nominated five times, nominated for

757
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: or Image Award. You know what I'm saying. You know

758
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:10,359
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So I know, dude, when you win one,

759
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:12,919
Speaker 1: you best put that in your bio because it's rand.

760
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:17,360
Speaker 1: It's right. They introduced how they gotta be like Emmy Award.

761
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,840
Speaker 1: Because I'm still very humbles, I'm like you want to

762
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh yeah, yeah. When I get introduced Emmy

763
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 1: Award where actor, it's like, oh, I'm I can't. I

764
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 1: interview a lot of people nominated for Grammy named nominated

765
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:38,840
Speaker 1: for and in me, dude, I said, I'm telling you

766
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,399
Speaker 1: had the longest bio I've ever read. But I said

767
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 1: to I gotta tell everybody's story. I'm not I'm not

768
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 1: gonna leave anything out. I'm not gonna short change you

769
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:50,839
Speaker 1: because I knew you. Knew assist. So I don't know

770
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 1: you personally, but your journey needs to be told. And

771
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 1: when I when I see these things like you know,

772
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,399
Speaker 1: daytime in me in the drama series, that's what about,

773
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 1: we're just telling no, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't slutch

774
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 1: that I introduced too many people in this show. Just

775
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 1: say nominated as a critic. Okay, he's one. Okay. And

776
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,320
Speaker 1: so because I did that too, I remember, I remember

777
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 1: I actually lost one of my Image Awards. You know,

778
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 1: I lost it, you know what I'm saying because I

779
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 1: didn't understand. My head was down, just grinding, grinding, grinding.

780
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 1: So so I tell people I want two Image I

781
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 1: want three Image Awards, but all those one because I

782
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:29,240
Speaker 1: don't know where it's that you know. And now, man,

783
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 1: because when I won that because I was the first

784
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 1: one I won, and I didn't feel to see the

785
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 1: value in it until now. So when you said mines

786
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,359
Speaker 1: right there, hey brother, you damn right is right there

787
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 1: because you want you want. That keeps me humble though,

788
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 1: because even after I wanted my manager Klein, she was.

789
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 1: She drove me home because I was tired. I was

790
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 1: on eight planes that week. Jess wrapped a show I

791
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 1: was doing at four am in Atlanta. I got on

792
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:58,360
Speaker 1: the plane at six, got here at twelve, got dressed,

793
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 1: got on his on his red car of it one Emmy,

794
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:03,800
Speaker 1: and came right back home and went to sleep, and

795
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 1: got back on the plane and left the next day.

796
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 1: So it was it was a whirlwind. And I remember

797
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: being in a car where her We're driving and she's like,

798
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 1: and the immage huge, just like this big exct it

799
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 1: had in a huge box. And she's like, you know,

800
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 1: you gotta work even harder now. And I'm like, can

801
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 1: I just get a couple of seconds to breathe? And

802
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 1: she's like, no, You're gonna have to work even harder

803
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 1: because people donna think that you think you don't have

804
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:28,399
Speaker 1: the audition to do anything else. And I'm like, oh no,

805
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 1: never that, but that comes from the hbc U mindset. Yeah,

806
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 1: I mean it's like, okay, cool, thank you so much.

807
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,319
Speaker 1: We got that, but we there's so much more to go.

808
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:42,840
Speaker 1: I'm talking to the star, Terence Terrail. You know double

809
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 1: HBCU are you know? Star? The series Be Positive of CBS,

810
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 1: produced by the incredible Chuck laury Um. Just just just

811
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 1: google his name, you go. This brother's blessed, tears was

812
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 1: blessed and he told so the infamous black people. Listen up,

813
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 1: He's talk. But let's talk about your character. Be Positive man.

814
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 1: You know you're an athlete. You know that really kind

815
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 1: of like being humbled by this being on dialysis talk

816
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 1: about you because you really, you know, when these characters,

817
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 1: you know, when they have a lot of lines, a

818
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 1: lot are not? A lot are not? You still have

819
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 1: to be able to, you know, give a range and

820
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 1: give a thought process to where the characters is. You

821
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 1: already got the natural bills, so you look like an athlete.

822
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 1: In fact, you actually carried the lead out of one episode.

823
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 1: How small as this guy a pounds was so funny

824
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 1: because they said you have picked up so literally. I

825
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 1: wasn't trying to, like, I didn't know until I watched

826
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 1: it that I threw him up in the air like,

827
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 1: but when I saw he came, I threw him in

828
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 1: the area. But it's so funny because in high school

829
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 1: and you know, you go through these different things, and

830
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 1: I was skinny in my head, always been this side

831
00:42:56,600 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 1: since I was five. I always look like ahead looking thing.

832
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 1: So I started gaining weight and getting bigger. I got

833
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 1: hit one time playing football in high school and I quit.

834
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 1: I never played, so now so ironic, I get a

835
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:13,760
Speaker 1: football roll and then I get to, you know, shine

836
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 1: a light on my grandmother's actual journey through dialysis. And

837
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 1: like you said, it's it's a lot of working multi cam.

838
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 1: I've done single cam, I've done drama. Those are literally

839
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 1: a walk in apart compared to multi camp multi cam.

840
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 1: I'm on set, we're practicing Monday through Wednesday, and then

841
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 1: we shoot Wednesday night. We shoot Thursday and Friday. So

842
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 1: you're working and you're acting from your toes all the

843
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 1: way up to your head, so you're exhausted that night.

844
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 1: So it's a whole different type of sport. Yeah, that's

845
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 1: a sport. Multi cam is like going to the Olympics.

846
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 1: It's like you have to especially if there's a live audience,

847
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 1: so you have to make the joke. Hold the joke,

848
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 1: because you gotta think about when people laugh, you gotta

849
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:55,760
Speaker 1: come back into the next line with the same energy

850
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Speaker 1: that you left off without dropping. It's a lot because

851
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Speaker 1: I've done multi can you know, Rode and produced Jamie

852
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Speaker 1: Foxx and Sister Sister, so I know it's a lot

853
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Speaker 1: of work. And even if you're not in that moment

854
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Speaker 1: on camera, you gotta stay there because the camera's only Yeah.

855
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Speaker 1: I think I was gonna said last week and we

856
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Speaker 1: did three weeks straight, usually two weeks on, two weeks,

857
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:26,839
Speaker 1: one week off. We did three weeks straight and I

858
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Speaker 1: was doing my scene with an elite and they said, okay, hole,

859
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Speaker 1: Terence moved for the light. I saw her lights. He like,

860
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Speaker 1: no to you, there's two cameras over. Let's talk about

861
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 1: your book, man. I don't want to leave this interview

862
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 1: without talking about what's like I said, you know, we

863
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:49,919
Speaker 1: go through these things and we um we forget how

864
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Speaker 1: we got where we are, and I feel like you

865
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:54,399
Speaker 1: never can forget where you You have to see where

866
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 1: you were to know where you're going. So when I

867
00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 1: first started these books, I was very you know, in

868
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 1: the South, we don't go to therapy. We go to church.

869
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:04,359
Speaker 1: So I end up morning therapy getting some stuff out,

870
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 1: and I realized that I had a lot of insecurities

871
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 1: from childhood, so I didn't like my skin color. I

872
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 1: told you about that story. So then I wrote a

873
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 1: book about a little dark boy lawns what melanin is.

874
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 1: It's called Blackie, which I've been called, but I turned

875
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Speaker 1: into the acronyms be loving the during Karen and kind

876
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 1: of yourself about loving yourself, so for little black boys,

877
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:26,839
Speaker 1: showing them that their kings um. And then I wrote

878
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Speaker 1: the second one after my mother pass and she's Superheroes

879
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 1: every day, educates us on DNA. Then the fourth third

880
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Speaker 1: book right here we go the Crown kids were bringing

881
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 1: all the kids together. And then this last book happened

882
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 1: after the George Floyd. Um I was. I'm a mentor

883
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Speaker 1: for Mrs Tina Knows loss In and Mr Richard Tina's

884
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Speaker 1: Angels and Richard's Law Warriors, and we had the week

885
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Speaker 1: of George Floyd. The kids we had we meet with

886
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Speaker 1: them every Monday and they were crying like a Just

887
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Speaker 1: imagine eighty kids in the zoom call. You see these

888
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Speaker 1: indows and you can't touch them and hug him and

889
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 1: let them know it's gonna be okay because of the pandemic.

890
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:06,840
Speaker 1: And they were crying and I'm turning my chair. I'm crying,

891
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Speaker 1: as Teena's crying. Everybody's crying, and um, the Asian one

892
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 1: of the little girls just like, are they'll kill me

893
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Speaker 1: because of my I'm black, you know, and I'm gonna

894
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Speaker 1: be on the news and get shot down because I'm black.

895
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Speaker 1: And I just remember leaving that meeting like what I'm

896
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Speaker 1: not doing enough. I'm not doing enough. I need to

897
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Speaker 1: show them that they're special that, you know, And um,

898
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Speaker 1: skin beat came up where when I tried to wash

899
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Speaker 1: my skin color off, and so that's when I knew

900
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Speaker 1: animated short that we're going up on Oscar for. And

901
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 1: then my Little Black Book, where I'm educating the kids

902
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Speaker 1: on different things like you know, the Selver Marsh but

903
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 1: also all these amazing inventors you know where in the

904
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Speaker 1: world would literally be dark, you know, because we were

905
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Speaker 1: responsible for the lightbulb as well. So so my Little

906
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Speaker 1: Black Book. So it's a series of book and the

907
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Speaker 1: whole brand is called I Crowned Me because we don't

908
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 1: need to wait for anybody to tell us we're special.

909
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 1: You crown yourself and you tell yourself you're special because

910
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Speaker 1: in the book, the kids don't get any special powers.

911
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 1: The power comes from self love and self worth. At

912
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Speaker 1: the same time, I knew I had to own it,

913
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Speaker 1: so I own all my books, self published them, so

914
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Speaker 1: I own them right out. So money, money making conversations, right,

915
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Speaker 1: I got my ownership because we don't get top half

916
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Speaker 1: of the stuff that other people already know from from birth.

917
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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't even know what an investment account

918
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Speaker 1: was until a couple of days ago. I'm still learning.

919
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Speaker 1: But we just have to open our minds to different things,

920
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Speaker 1: like how can we get this book? Is it on

921
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Speaker 1: your website? Yeah? Here we go, money make coming right,

922
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Speaker 1: So you go to iicrown me dot com, which is

923
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Speaker 1: my website. At first, I wanted to be on Amazon

924
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Speaker 1: all these other stuff. But Amazon takes fifty to seventy

925
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Speaker 1: percent of your money if you sell on there. So

926
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Speaker 1: I'm like, So I saw a hundred and something books

927
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Speaker 1: there and I remember getting a check for less than

928
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 1: two hundred dollars. This is my work. Why am I

929
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Speaker 1: getting you seventy per cent of my work? And all

930
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Speaker 1: y'all doing is put on website. So I was like,

931
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Speaker 1: let me do my own upsite and make sure you

932
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Speaker 1: know efficient and so and plus I like to sign

933
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Speaker 1: each book and let the kids know that I see

934
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Speaker 1: them physically. It's a lot of work, but I did

935
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Speaker 1: it that way so I can own my own stuff.

936
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Speaker 1: And now with these conversations coming up this week with

937
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Speaker 1: dream Works and all these amazing people who want to

938
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Speaker 1: buy into my bucks or create the series out of it,

939
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Speaker 1: I it's just me. I don't have to worry about

940
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 1: a room full of people who own part of my work.

941
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:26,799
Speaker 1: It's just me. I own everything all the way down

942
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Speaker 1: to the eyebrows. I love it, man, And you know

943
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Speaker 1: the beauty of this interview, Man, it's just talking about

944
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Speaker 1: a self built person. You know what I'm saying, motivated

945
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Speaker 1: by and not denied by who you are, because we

946
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Speaker 1: all get those those those people who those people who

947
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Speaker 1: try to I call him to step into your dream

948
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:48,839
Speaker 1: and making an ugly experience. And you're saying, right now,

949
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 1: your size wasn't gonna stop you. Where you was born

950
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:54,439
Speaker 1: weren't gonna stop you. Your color, your skin wasn't gonna

951
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Speaker 1: stop you. Then you flip the switch and you're there

952
00:48:56,680 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 1: for people who don't look like you. Yeah, we have to.

953
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Speaker 1: We have to give it back. And we can't fight this,

954
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 1: this these crazy times with hate. We can't fight the

955
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Speaker 1: quote unquote racist with Hey, we have to fight them

956
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 1: with love and education. So you can't thought somebody for

957
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Speaker 1: being ignorant to a subject, you know, I mean, we

958
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Speaker 1: can educate them on that subject. And after you do

959
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Speaker 1: what you After I give your information, you do what

960
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Speaker 1: you want with it. But I've done my part in

961
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 1: this moment. So we just have to leave with love.

962
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:30,279
Speaker 1: And I really really believe in that and everything that

963
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 1: you're going through. You know that's happening for a reason.

964
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 1: So the single mom, been on warfare, food stamps, all

965
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 1: that stuff built character for me. Now, so I know

966
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 1: that all of that happened for a reason. So you

967
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 1: have to walk and cry. You don't get to sit

968
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 1: and cry. You gotta walk and cry. CBS. Be positive.

969
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 1: That's the perfect name for who you are. Brother. You

970
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:54,359
Speaker 1: are positive. When I just said it and just looked

971
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 1: at you smiling, when he couldn't be on the better

972
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Speaker 1: show this associate with your brain? Man, could you it's

973
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Speaker 1: been and chuck LORI of all people and mark them

974
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 1: what they were like, yeah, you know he did this this.

975
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Speaker 1: This was like yeah, what he can actually stop straight

976
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 1: to the top. Amazing, he's rich man, And so again

977
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:18,799
Speaker 1: I want to I'm gonna put the link into my

978
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Speaker 1: newsletter because I'm gonna I'm gonna send you some direct

979
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:24,919
Speaker 1: money making conversations. People did it. I'm gonna dropping in there.

980
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:27,880
Speaker 1: But more importantly, man, uh, I'm looking forward to the commercials.

981
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 1: Tell your team to get back to new Mortar commercials

982
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Speaker 1: so I can get on my social media and just

983
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 1: start helping you promote your brand because, as they say,

984
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:38,719
Speaker 1: you be positive, brother, because you stay positive because you're

985
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 1: all positive. Okay, thank you for doing what you're doing.

986
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 1: Thank you for keeping This is the best energey ride

987
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Speaker 1: I ever had. You did a drum major movie, So

988
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Speaker 1: I'm good. This is made bay that. Hey, hey man,

989
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Speaker 1: who what? Black dude? Who? Who? I did? Thank you

990
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:08,359
Speaker 1: got it going on? Didn't want to be you, didn't

991
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Speaker 1: want to be you? Go hold hey, I'm getting something.

992
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 1: I love you boy man again, brother, thank you for

993
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Speaker 1: changing your set right you came with the fire. I

994
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Speaker 1: was like, hold up, now, you ain't about to get me.

995
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:27,239
Speaker 1: Let me gonna switch. I'll be right there. Again. Man,

996
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 1: I love you brother, and know that on you. I'm

997
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Speaker 1: on your list and get this stuff I asked of you,

998
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:33,880
Speaker 1: and uh, because I want to sell some of your books.

999
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Speaker 1: You're more important that one. To just keep pumping you up,

1000
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:38,759
Speaker 1: because Bro, you fight, you fight, Thank you, and thank

1001
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:41,320
Speaker 1: you for all your love your energy. Man, there's nobody

1002
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Speaker 1: like you. You need more youse, sticky notes, email alerts,

1003
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1004
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1007
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Speaker 1: purchase Player finan. What grows in the forest trees, sure, no.

1008
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Speaker 1: What else grows in the forest, Our imagination, our sense

1009
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Speaker 1: of wonder, and our family bonds grow too, because when

1010
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:17,840
Speaker 1: we disconnect from this and connect with this, we reconnect

1011
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Speaker 1: with each other. The forest is closer than you think.

1012
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Speaker 1: Find a forest near you and start exploring. I Discover

1013
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1014
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Speaker 1: States Forest Service and the AD Council. Look to your

1015
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Speaker 1: children's eyes to see the true magic of a forest.

1016
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Speaker 1: It's a storybook world for them. You look and see

1017
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Speaker 1: a tree. They see the wrinkled face of a wizard

1018
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Speaker 1: with arms outstretched to the sky. They see treasure in pebbles,

1019
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Speaker 1: They see a windy path that could lead to adventure,

1020
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:52,800
Speaker 1: and they see you. They're fearless. Guide through this fascinating world.

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Speaker 1: Find a forest near you and start exploring and discover

1022
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Speaker 1: the forest dot Org brought to you by the United

1023
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Speaker 1: States Forest Service and the act gat So my next guests,

1024
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 1: two dynamic people are Patrice Covington and Rebecca Naomi Jones.

1025
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 1: They acclaimed actresses and singers co starring the cast of

1026
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:14,240
Speaker 1: Genius Aretha as Irma and Caroline Franklin. My older sister's

1027
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:17,800
Speaker 1: name is Carolin, so I love Carolin. Patrice Covington is

1028
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 1: an Emmy Award winning actress, singer, teacher, author and model.

1029
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:26,719
Speaker 1: Rebecca naoed with Jones and is currently featuring in Those

1030
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 1: niecksun Road one national campaign You've seen that Tearing Enough stuff.

1031
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 1: She has also performing in solo concerts at Lincoln Center,

1032
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 1: American Soul Book, and Apollo Cafe. They're dynamic in this

1033
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 1: series Genius. I saw it in this compelling and I've

1034
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 1: lived that lifestyle from a musical set and let's tell

1035
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 1: you about a little background what the Genius series is

1036
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 1: all about. It's an Emmy or war whin the anthology

1037
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 1: series where they dramatized and fascinating stories behind brilliant innovators.

1038
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 1: In this case was Aretha Franklin and h These two

1039
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Speaker 1: young ladies. I won't say they're young because they're younger

1040
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:01,239
Speaker 1: than me and opening now offended by the term young

1041
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 1: ladies as they're being cast in the role of playing

1042
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:08,920
Speaker 1: Aretha's sisters, which can be very frustrated in life. You know,

1043
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 1: it's like being the sister brother to Tiger Woods or

1044
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Speaker 1: lebron Ja and still participating in that sport. So because

1045
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:18,760
Speaker 1: both of them are talented singers, and in a sense

1046
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Speaker 1: it was to me as I introduced them, and there

1047
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:23,719
Speaker 1: were many layers of stories that I could love to

1048
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:25,360
Speaker 1: go back and just hear their story. I can go

1049
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 1: back and just hear a story about c L Aretha's father,

1050
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:30,720
Speaker 1: but this story is about Rita and her genius. Please

1051
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 1: working the money making conversations, Patrice Covington and Rebecca Naomi Jumps,

1052
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Speaker 1: thank you, thank you for having us. Well, you know,

1053
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:43,320
Speaker 1: first of all, um, this first time we talked. But

1054
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Speaker 1: but when you see seven episodes. Uh, in the series

1055
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Speaker 1: is eight episodes. You tend to see and and and

1056
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:52,760
Speaker 1: and and first of all, being engaged by the talent,

1057
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Speaker 1: the singing talent. Let's let's start there, because that's a

1058
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:58,279
Speaker 1: gift God gave you. And in this series, you know,

1059
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:00,279
Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out are they seen out they

1060
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 1: live singing? You know, were they really singing? When you start?

1061
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:04,839
Speaker 1: I felt when you were in that scene where y'all

1062
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:06,760
Speaker 1: were standing next to the piano and you were playing

1063
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 1: it and you were singing, I felt that you guys

1064
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:11,920
Speaker 1: are actually singing that moment, it was I right or wrong?

1065
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 1: You're right, so so. And in a series where there

1066
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:22,919
Speaker 1: is so driven by singing, how did these audition opportunities

1067
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:25,760
Speaker 1: come up to you? Guys? You can answer separately because

1068
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:28,359
Speaker 1: it's it's it's a it's all you have to say.

1069
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 1: When you start building your resume. This is a resume builder.

1070
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:34,720
Speaker 1: This is a resume you put up and go okay, wow.

1071
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:37,399
Speaker 1: I was part of that. Because it is an amazing

1072
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:40,959
Speaker 1: anthology series and it plays out over a series of time.

1073
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 1: You have to age a little bit, You have to

1074
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 1: be a little younger than what you really are so

1075
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:48,759
Speaker 1: starting with you, Rebecca, talk about the whole process of

1076
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:54,280
Speaker 1: coming on board. Sure, I remember that the audition came

1077
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:58,160
Speaker 1: to my table at a time when I had a

1078
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 1: whole lot of other auditions showing up as well. It

1079
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:02,560
Speaker 1: was must have been Pilot's season, because it was a

1080
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:05,960
Speaker 1: really busy time, and this was the only one that

1081
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 1: I had this particular week that was a taped audition

1082
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 1: instead of a live in person audition with casting. And

1083
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:16,239
Speaker 1: I remember I felt really swamped, and my boyfriend said,

1084
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:18,400
Speaker 1: maybe you shouldn't do this one because it says Caroline

1085
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:21,880
Speaker 1: as tall. But you know, something told me that I

1086
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:25,360
Speaker 1: should make the tape happen because I saw that Susan

1087
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:28,839
Speaker 1: Laurie Parks was attached to it, and she I've known

1088
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:31,920
Speaker 1: for many years in theater, and because I knew that

1089
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 1: the role required somebody who could sing um, and so

1090
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:37,480
Speaker 1: I thought, there are a couple of things that are

1091
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:40,759
Speaker 1: not my height that could potentially give me a leg

1092
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:44,760
Speaker 1: up into this work. And um, you know, I actually

1093
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:47,719
Speaker 1: said this to someone earlier today. What I loved was

1094
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:51,080
Speaker 1: that I didn't know anything about Caroline Franklin or Irma

1095
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:55,600
Speaker 1: Franklin before getting to work on this material, and Um,

1096
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 1: I loved the audition scene because, um, it was a

1097
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 1: long scene that took place, uh during Aretha Franklin's fiftieth birthday,

1098
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 1: and it's between the two sisters, and just this scene

1099
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 1: between the two of them gives you so much information

1100
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:15,440
Speaker 1: about these sisters, but also their relationship with Aretha and

1101
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 1: their relationship with their father and their family as a whole.

1102
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:23,920
Speaker 1: And you get a sense in this material of how

1103
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:26,080
Speaker 1: much they love each other and love their sister, but

1104
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:30,400
Speaker 1: also um that there is a lot of resentment and

1105
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:34,960
Speaker 1: business and complexity that is present in all relationships and

1106
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 1: all families. Um So, yeah, it was. It was a

1107
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 1: really fun audition to do. And I got to do

1108
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 1: an acapella version of rock Steady, which is one of

1109
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 1: my favorite reathons and yes, yes, yes, and yeah. So

1110
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:53,560
Speaker 1: it was a great time. And then I got to

1111
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:56,520
Speaker 1: do my screen test in person and it was a

1112
00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 1: lot of fun, and you know, I was I was

1113
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 1: hoping I got the job, but of course I felt like, um,

1114
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:05,080
Speaker 1: the audition experience itself was actually so satisfying that if

1115
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:07,160
Speaker 1: I didn't, I did my best and I would let

1116
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 1: it go. But I left out petreats. Now, you know,

1117
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:13,880
Speaker 1: let's not be casual about this when you say singing. Now, see,

1118
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 1: you had to sing the same thing as they say

1119
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:19,520
Speaker 1: in the in the Black Household. You could sang girl

1120
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:22,600
Speaker 1: or sang because because at point, you know, like I said,

1121
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:25,720
Speaker 1: this movie wasn't based on lip sinking. You know, you

1122
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:28,480
Speaker 1: had to deliver and then also you had to deliver

1123
00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:32,480
Speaker 1: a level as to why these ladies could be somewhat

1124
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 1: jealous of not getting the same opportunities that Areta was getting. Okay,

1125
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 1: you know, y'all equally attractive, you know, but but she

1126
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:44,200
Speaker 1: had a certain extra in her. So talk about your

1127
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:48,040
Speaker 1: audition practice and bringing that character of Irma to the

1128
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 1: to the stage. Yeah, sure so. Um I also loved

1129
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 1: that audition sing Rebecca. It was such a good one, um,

1130
00:58:57,400 --> 00:59:00,640
Speaker 1: and it really pulled me and pulled in my interest. Well,

1131
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 1: I was also interested in all jobs at the time

1132
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:06,960
Speaker 1: there was I wasn't interested in, but I was particularly

1133
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 1: interested in this one because at the time I was

1134
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 1: actually on tour singing background for Christina Aguilera in Vegas,

1135
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:18,120
Speaker 1: and I was in the Las Vegas hotel room. It

1136
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:21,280
Speaker 1: was a very hectic time. Much like Rebecca. Um mine

1137
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:24,120
Speaker 1: was just that we were heard so much, um, and

1138
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 1: we were traveling so much. I had no time, like

1139
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:28,720
Speaker 1: zero time at all to get this done. I had

1140
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:31,880
Speaker 1: no idea, and I'm also on the road with band guys.

1141
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:34,240
Speaker 1: How am I going to get this done? You know,

1142
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 1: Like they don't know how to do a self taped audition,

1143
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:41,840
Speaker 1: you know. And so thankfully one of my background singing partners,

1144
00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:44,160
Speaker 1: he has a wife who was an actress and she

1145
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:46,280
Speaker 1: had trained him up to know how to do a

1146
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:49,040
Speaker 1: self tape. So I was like, please help me, and

1147
00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:51,440
Speaker 1: he helped me. We did it. It's probably the quickest

1148
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:54,960
Speaker 1: audition I've ever done because I just simply didn't have

1149
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:58,120
Speaker 1: the time to analyze the critique, like why did I

1150
00:59:58,120 --> 00:59:59,960
Speaker 1: do that? And I wish I wouldn't have looked that way,

1151
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:02,120
Speaker 1: and oh my god, my hair looks dumb or whatever.

1152
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:04,560
Speaker 1: I didn't have time to do those things because I

1153
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:07,760
Speaker 1: was so busy. And so with all that being said,

1154
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:11,200
Speaker 1: it was the most evident and most clear time that

1155
01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:13,960
Speaker 1: I've ever had something be what's for me? It's just

1156
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:16,400
Speaker 1: for me. It would never have passed me by because

1157
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:18,840
Speaker 1: I didn't have to, you know, analyze and do the

1158
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:22,320
Speaker 1: most with this tape. So um, you know, I am

1159
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:25,600
Speaker 1: forever grateful. This is my very first time on TV

1160
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:29,600
Speaker 1: period and had to row. I've done other things, uh,

1161
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:33,360
Speaker 1: like you know, promos for Broadway shows and such, but uh,

1162
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:36,800
Speaker 1: this is my first time on camera and I'm for

1163
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:39,600
Speaker 1: ever grateful for this moment. And you're stepped out there girl.

1164
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:42,360
Speaker 1: Now the beautiful smile. You stepped out there now and

1165
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:45,880
Speaker 1: in the in this series. Now, Carolyn, your character really

1166
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:48,280
Speaker 1: wanted to be a reader. I like to believe you

1167
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 1: you really challenge the norm because the dad who was

1168
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:54,800
Speaker 1: c All, who was known as the million Dollar Boys

1169
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:59,360
Speaker 1: uh in Detroit, saw her as the as the prodigy.

1170
01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:04,040
Speaker 1: He are is the one and the legacy builder now

1171
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:07,080
Speaker 1: in the building that these characters, because you have to

1172
01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:09,840
Speaker 1: kind of have a sense of background information and where

1173
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:12,320
Speaker 1: you're gonna take the character, not overstep with the characters,

1174
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:16,160
Speaker 1: is to deliver what you wanted to compete naturally. Talk

1175
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:21,840
Speaker 1: about that process and making it real. Well, I think, um,

1176
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:25,320
Speaker 1: you know, as an actress of a certain level who

1177
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:29,920
Speaker 1: has um, you know, done a lot of exciting roles

1178
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:34,720
Speaker 1: on Broadway, UM, and done some versions of some some

1179
01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:38,120
Speaker 1: levels of roles on TV and film. UM, But it's

1180
01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:41,480
Speaker 1: still in the process of you know, building a career.

1181
01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:44,920
Speaker 1: I think a lot of what both Patrise and I

1182
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:49,640
Speaker 1: were tasked to portray is something that comes naturally for us,

1183
01:01:49,720 --> 01:01:52,800
Speaker 1: because it is such a journey when you believe you

1184
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:56,200
Speaker 1: have something inside of you to offer, and in some

1185
01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:59,720
Speaker 1: ways that dream is um. You know, that dream is

1186
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:02,200
Speaker 1: happy and for you, it's it's coming true and in

1187
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:05,800
Speaker 1: some ways you're still sort of building it and UM

1188
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:10,640
Speaker 1: and and manifesting it and dreaming it and UM. And

1189
01:02:10,680 --> 01:02:12,880
Speaker 1: I think that these characters really have that. I don't

1190
01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:15,360
Speaker 1: think they necessarily wanted to be Aretha, but I think

1191
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:19,040
Speaker 1: they wanted. I think they wanted to be Irma. They

1192
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:22,160
Speaker 1: wanted to be Caroline, and they wanted to have all

1193
01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:25,200
Speaker 1: of the opportunity that Aretha had. And I think, UM,

1194
01:02:25,240 --> 01:02:31,960
Speaker 1: I think that desire and that deep yearning UM, you know,

1195
01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:37,040
Speaker 1: for your potential to be realized and for your um

1196
01:02:37,240 --> 01:02:40,320
Speaker 1: star power to be realized is something that we can

1197
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:44,560
Speaker 1: sort of easily, you know, dig into and to to

1198
01:02:44,920 --> 01:02:48,960
Speaker 1: on UM. But yeah, I think, uh, you know, I

1199
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:53,440
Speaker 1: think it's also very natural for me to want to

1200
01:02:53,480 --> 01:02:56,120
Speaker 1: dig into this role. My father was also a musician

1201
01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:59,600
Speaker 1: who passed away before realizing all of his dreams and

1202
01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:03,280
Speaker 1: it's it was, it was something that just felt right.

1203
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:06,880
Speaker 1: Now when I want to listen to this PATRICI, She's like,

1204
01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:10,000
Speaker 1: just you're talking about this series of an anthology series,

1205
01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:12,880
Speaker 1: eight episodes. You know that from forty five minutes, I

1206
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:15,840
Speaker 1: think the longest episode maybe fifty something minutes. But never,

1207
01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:20,320
Speaker 1: never did I feel tax and watching this series. Why

1208
01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:23,560
Speaker 1: would you think someone would want to watch an anthology

1209
01:03:23,600 --> 01:03:28,360
Speaker 1: series want to reach your Franklin. There's so much to

1210
01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:32,960
Speaker 1: uncover about this woman. Her music is truly inbedded in

1211
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:35,240
Speaker 1: the fabric of our lives. And we know that we

1212
01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:37,600
Speaker 1: love her music. We know she was the Queen and

1213
01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:42,000
Speaker 1: that there's no one better. But her story is so complex,

1214
01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:48,280
Speaker 1: it's so multifaceted, it's so beautiful, it's so sad at times.

1215
01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:52,480
Speaker 1: It's full of overcoming and conquering, it's full of sisterhood,

1216
01:03:53,040 --> 01:03:56,880
Speaker 1: all things that we all need encouragement with all the time. Um,

1217
01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:59,600
Speaker 1: what we get to unfold a lot of is about her,

1218
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:03,640
Speaker 1: how act of her activism was. Right now, everybody's trying

1219
01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:05,880
Speaker 1: to figure out how to be an activist in their

1220
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:08,200
Speaker 1: own right and whatever it is that they can do,

1221
01:04:08,560 --> 01:04:11,760
Speaker 1: and so it's encouraging in your real life right now

1222
01:04:12,040 --> 01:04:14,280
Speaker 1: is so much to learn and so much to apply

1223
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:16,960
Speaker 1: to your life. You know, it's really amazing because I

1224
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:18,760
Speaker 1: want to get into some of the cast members because

1225
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:21,520
Speaker 1: they were a serious like this great has to be

1226
01:04:21,600 --> 01:04:25,080
Speaker 1: carried by talent. You are two very talented individuals that

1227
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:27,640
Speaker 1: still out in this series. Then you go to my

1228
01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:31,960
Speaker 1: man Cordin to be Vans who played cl WHOA Okay,

1229
01:04:31,960 --> 01:04:34,320
Speaker 1: that's a that's a whole They could have did an

1230
01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:39,160
Speaker 1: eight episode doc on on his behind because he I'm

1231
01:04:39,160 --> 01:04:42,160
Speaker 1: gonna tell yourself, just watch the series to see the

1232
01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:44,000
Speaker 1: dad just what just wants to see her for the dad,

1233
01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:47,720
Speaker 1: because the dad gonna mess you up. Seal Franklin is

1234
01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:50,880
Speaker 1: gonna mess you up as a preacher. He breaks all

1235
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:54,160
Speaker 1: the preacher rules. He breaks all of the preacher rules.

1236
01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:56,840
Speaker 1: If they has the rules for preachers and your p K.

1237
01:04:57,680 --> 01:05:00,280
Speaker 1: He gonna he gonna make you want to get be

1238
01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:02,400
Speaker 1: a drug addict. He gonna make you want to just

1239
01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:06,600
Speaker 1: go into detox for life. This man, yeah, is I

1240
01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:08,960
Speaker 1: ain't never met a preacher like giving my life. He

1241
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:13,320
Speaker 1: was caught, uh womanizer. He was a part of I

1242
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:17,160
Speaker 1: said he was all part womanizer. He was somewhat of

1243
01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:23,120
Speaker 1: a drug. He uh, he spent the parishioner's money at will.

1244
01:05:23,720 --> 01:05:26,920
Speaker 1: He was he was special. Now that's that's courting to

1245
01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:29,200
Speaker 1: be fair and my wrong, ladies, did I tell you

1246
01:05:29,240 --> 01:05:33,960
Speaker 1: are correct me? If I TV, y'all feel free to sean.

1247
01:05:34,120 --> 01:05:39,120
Speaker 1: Now you lying, you're stretching the twoth Okay, now Wexler

1248
01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:41,680
Speaker 1: you know Wexler was that, you know, the always a

1249
01:05:41,720 --> 01:05:45,400
Speaker 1: white man. That was his character. I tell telling black

1250
01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:48,560
Speaker 1: folks what to do, pushing you know, I don't think

1251
01:05:48,600 --> 01:05:52,720
Speaker 1: that's a good move. You might always think about their pocketbook,

1252
01:05:52,760 --> 01:05:55,400
Speaker 1: but not worrying about the cause. That was my man

1253
01:05:56,440 --> 01:06:03,120
Speaker 1: playing the Wexler character. He was. He was incredible, his talents,

1254
01:06:03,200 --> 01:06:05,760
Speaker 1: he was He's an original test It was really interesting

1255
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:09,120
Speaker 1: when I saw the because I saw their reader special

1256
01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:12,120
Speaker 1: when she the documentary. I saw that. It was just

1257
01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:15,600
Speaker 1: so amazing. And I'm gonna ask you guys, an't the

1258
01:06:15,600 --> 01:06:18,960
Speaker 1: other one you can answer this? Would you? You know,

1259
01:06:19,080 --> 01:06:23,760
Speaker 1: I've seen history. I've lived the history of frankly to

1260
01:06:24,360 --> 01:06:30,120
Speaker 1: you know, Jet magazine, Ebony songs. When you guys were

1261
01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:33,200
Speaker 1: going through the process and and certain information was being

1262
01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:36,280
Speaker 1: revealed to you, how did you react to it? Um? Well,

1263
01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:39,920
Speaker 1: I think that, you know, some things we still don't

1264
01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:42,600
Speaker 1: really know the answers to. You know, there's a lot

1265
01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:46,840
Speaker 1: that is still just left to the healer. Uh. You know,

1266
01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:51,520
Speaker 1: there's some things that will just never know. Um. And

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01:06:52,640 --> 01:06:55,400
Speaker 1: I mean I've heard rumors of certain things all my

1268
01:06:55,440 --> 01:07:00,360
Speaker 1: life now, my life, of my adult life, you know.

1269
01:07:00,440 --> 01:07:02,760
Speaker 1: And and at that point it was quite shocking to

1270
01:07:02,840 --> 01:07:04,959
Speaker 1: me to learn that everything had a baby at twelve

1271
01:07:05,040 --> 01:07:09,280
Speaker 1: years old. Um. Those types of stories are always going

1272
01:07:09,320 --> 01:07:11,800
Speaker 1: to be shocking to someone who's like the queen of soul.

1273
01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:13,600
Speaker 1: Like you know, I grew up with her music. I

1274
01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:17,000
Speaker 1: knew it was gospel music, and you know, her foundation

1275
01:07:17,160 --> 01:07:21,600
Speaker 1: was was church. So it's definitely shocking. I think that

1276
01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:26,320
Speaker 1: there's so much more to her life though, and what's

1277
01:07:26,360 --> 01:07:30,360
Speaker 1: more important is how she overcame and continued to overcome

1278
01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:34,800
Speaker 1: until she got out of here, like always overcoming. I

1279
01:07:34,840 --> 01:07:37,200
Speaker 1: think that's the most important part. Yeah, I had to

1280
01:07:37,360 --> 01:07:40,000
Speaker 1: fortunate because Steve Harvey and I have managed it for

1281
01:07:40,040 --> 01:07:43,400
Speaker 1: sixty years. I had the blessing of me reading several times.

1282
01:07:43,320 --> 01:07:45,640
Speaker 1: And she really did cook fried chicken, by the way.

1283
01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:47,280
Speaker 1: I knew that for a fact. But the woman could

1284
01:07:47,320 --> 01:07:51,960
Speaker 1: cook okay, and she loved popcorn too, by the way,

1285
01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:54,800
Speaker 1: So when you when you look at a movie like

1286
01:07:54,880 --> 01:07:59,360
Speaker 1: Cynthia Rival who starred in the lead role, and you see,

1287
01:08:00,040 --> 01:08:02,320
Speaker 1: so I fell in love with and Harriet. I saw

1288
01:08:02,360 --> 01:08:05,680
Speaker 1: that booby Harriet when she started Harriet Tubman, and I

1289
01:08:05,720 --> 01:08:10,120
Speaker 1: got the opportunity to see how she effortlessly um played

1290
01:08:10,120 --> 01:08:12,440
Speaker 1: this role. You know, you know when you see a

1291
01:08:12,520 --> 01:08:14,840
Speaker 1: talent like that, and you know, because we all compare

1292
01:08:14,840 --> 01:08:18,519
Speaker 1: ourselves and say, wow, how does that work? How did

1293
01:08:18,520 --> 01:08:21,040
Speaker 1: I give me some feedback on watching the talent like

1294
01:08:21,080 --> 01:08:24,200
Speaker 1: that because we all have aspirations to be that lead

1295
01:08:24,920 --> 01:08:27,920
Speaker 1: and then seeing her go through the process of aging,

1296
01:08:28,520 --> 01:08:32,040
Speaker 1: going through she was she was physically abused, she was

1297
01:08:32,840 --> 01:08:35,320
Speaker 1: you know, she was she was you know, it was

1298
01:08:35,560 --> 01:08:38,519
Speaker 1: her relationship with Dr Martin Luther King. She had that

1299
01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:41,960
Speaker 1: in that process, being a spiritual leader, being a physical leader,

1300
01:08:42,040 --> 01:08:45,679
Speaker 1: being a being uh you know, dealing with what happened

1301
01:08:45,680 --> 01:08:47,720
Speaker 1: to her mom in real life. She had She had

1302
01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:50,960
Speaker 1: a see that emotion through the process as well as

1303
01:08:51,160 --> 01:08:55,320
Speaker 1: overall you know, disconnect with her dad. It was a disconnect,

1304
01:08:55,400 --> 01:08:57,559
Speaker 1: you know. Then her grandmother, played by the incredible Paul

1305
01:08:57,560 --> 01:09:00,439
Speaker 1: At of Washington. I can't forget not giving her compliments

1306
01:09:00,479 --> 01:09:03,800
Speaker 1: because she was awesome knowna for many years, So give me,

1307
01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:06,960
Speaker 1: give me some feedback, and you know your take on

1308
01:09:07,040 --> 01:09:12,839
Speaker 1: it as well. You know, one thing that I loved

1309
01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:16,320
Speaker 1: watching Cynthia was that I think she really was able

1310
01:09:16,360 --> 01:09:23,720
Speaker 1: to dig into um, sort of the quiet self protection

1311
01:09:23,840 --> 01:09:27,840
Speaker 1: that Areta had. I think, um, you know, we were

1312
01:09:27,840 --> 01:09:36,080
Speaker 1: also lucky to receive um Aretha's you know, Aretha's sort

1313
01:09:36,120 --> 01:09:40,240
Speaker 1: of entire soul through her voice, her singing voice, and

1314
01:09:40,680 --> 01:09:44,120
Speaker 1: her music in general and her genius. But um, you know,

1315
01:09:44,520 --> 01:09:46,599
Speaker 1: as we all know she's she was a very private

1316
01:09:46,640 --> 01:09:52,400
Speaker 1: person by design and UM, and I think Cynthia really

1317
01:09:53,320 --> 01:09:57,519
Speaker 1: locked into that aspect of her. I think she was

1318
01:09:57,600 --> 01:10:01,360
Speaker 1: really smart about how she was on set and how

1319
01:10:01,400 --> 01:10:04,479
Speaker 1: she dug into this character because she was very quiet

1320
01:10:04,520 --> 01:10:09,000
Speaker 1: about it. She didn't she didn't overly, um, talk too

1321
01:10:09,040 --> 01:10:10,800
Speaker 1: much about it. I think she kept a lot of

1322
01:10:10,840 --> 01:10:17,200
Speaker 1: her work um internal and um. And then we got

1323
01:10:17,240 --> 01:10:20,720
Speaker 1: to see it sort of slowly unravel out of her

1324
01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:24,439
Speaker 1: the way Aretha was in terms of her allowing people

1325
01:10:24,479 --> 01:10:28,479
Speaker 1: to slowly, um, you know, be let in to who

1326
01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:30,960
Speaker 1: she was. And so the same thing happens with Cynthia,

1327
01:10:31,040 --> 01:10:35,240
Speaker 1: where suddenly she's singing and this voice opens up and

1328
01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:38,559
Speaker 1: we're getting a real sense of who she is right now,

1329
01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:41,160
Speaker 1: you know, And I can't forget T. I T Tip

1330
01:10:41,240 --> 01:10:46,000
Speaker 1: was that boy right there and that he does comedy?

1331
01:10:46,040 --> 01:10:48,160
Speaker 1: Well he I know he could wrapped, but he was

1332
01:10:48,439 --> 01:10:50,519
Speaker 1: he was you know, I was just he was sexy.

1333
01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:54,040
Speaker 1: He was six. I'm coming there. Look at that the

1334
01:10:54,080 --> 01:10:57,559
Speaker 1: little mustache and little afro. He was working it. He

1335
01:10:57,760 --> 01:11:00,720
Speaker 1: was working it with that little deep was T. I

1336
01:11:00,920 --> 01:11:06,800
Speaker 1: was T. I was on Bart in the series and

1337
01:11:07,720 --> 01:11:10,960
Speaker 1: my boy Luke James, he dipped in and then a

1338
01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:12,880
Speaker 1: guy gonna tell y'all know character. I was just gonna

1339
01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:15,599
Speaker 1: let y'all know T Eyes in the Bad Boy he clouds.

1340
01:11:16,120 --> 01:11:19,559
Speaker 1: Luke James coming there, super sexy you no chocolate drop,

1341
01:11:19,800 --> 01:11:26,680
Speaker 1: chocolate drop. We had a very fun day with him.

1342
01:11:27,200 --> 01:11:29,720
Speaker 1: You know, you guys, your characters are you know, there's

1343
01:11:30,080 --> 01:11:33,240
Speaker 1: let's let's talk about that stepping back and win and

1344
01:11:33,360 --> 01:11:37,240
Speaker 1: those uh those time you know, complying clothes, you know,

1345
01:11:37,400 --> 01:11:40,600
Speaker 1: the bathing suit that you're wearing there, you know, at

1346
01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:43,760
Speaker 1: the pool side with a Wretha and your character, you know,

1347
01:11:44,360 --> 01:11:47,839
Speaker 1: you're up there, that nice little outfit singing them songs.

1348
01:11:48,439 --> 01:11:52,920
Speaker 1: I'm thinking to Caroline, they fine, you know, I'm going

1349
01:11:52,920 --> 01:11:54,760
Speaker 1: back because I was. I was active in those years,

1350
01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:56,800
Speaker 1: like going like oh they could work and they could work.

1351
01:11:59,240 --> 01:12:02,639
Speaker 1: So how about fun did you guys have going into

1352
01:12:02,680 --> 01:12:09,960
Speaker 1: the wardrobe? Rou most fun? Most fun? Jennifer Briant, our

1353
01:12:10,080 --> 01:12:14,240
Speaker 1: costume designer. I just you know, every time I went

1354
01:12:14,280 --> 01:12:15,960
Speaker 1: into a fitting, it was my whole thing was a

1355
01:12:16,040 --> 01:12:18,880
Speaker 1: going joke because I would say, okay, no, this is

1356
01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:22,840
Speaker 1: my favorite. Every time it was my favorite outfit. Um.

1357
01:12:23,400 --> 01:12:27,799
Speaker 1: I loved her designs. I felt comfortable, I felt cute,

1358
01:12:27,880 --> 01:12:31,680
Speaker 1: I felt sexy. I loved how we grew. You know,

1359
01:12:31,840 --> 01:12:35,400
Speaker 1: our fashions grew with us, um but still was appropriate,

1360
01:12:35,880 --> 01:12:39,800
Speaker 1: you know, and making us still fly all throughout the years.

1361
01:12:39,880 --> 01:12:42,680
Speaker 1: You know, we weren't we weren't poor people, so we

1362
01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:48,280
Speaker 1: had good fancy, very sexy. We loved it. We loved it.

1363
01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:50,880
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we know. That's why. I just you know

1364
01:12:51,120 --> 01:12:53,240
Speaker 1: when I when they do time pieces, right, you know

1365
01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:55,439
Speaker 1: that they spent the money on this top piece. You

1366
01:12:55,479 --> 01:12:58,280
Speaker 1: know they have the folds looked like they were right,

1367
01:12:58,360 --> 01:13:02,320
Speaker 1: and you see no little pieces falling off. Myself, they're

1368
01:13:02,360 --> 01:13:04,240
Speaker 1: working there. They got the budget for the half up

1369
01:13:04,280 --> 01:13:07,880
Speaker 1: in this show. Here the clothes. I get mad time

1370
01:13:07,960 --> 01:13:11,240
Speaker 1: when I see time black people time period pieces and

1371
01:13:11,360 --> 01:13:13,479
Speaker 1: you can see the little hay on the edge kind

1372
01:13:13,479 --> 01:13:16,599
Speaker 1: of popping off the sides A side or right. They

1373
01:13:16,880 --> 01:13:21,280
Speaker 1: did the money right, they did the same discovery right.

1374
01:13:21,640 --> 01:13:24,960
Speaker 1: Talk about being involved with a production that said, you

1375
01:13:25,000 --> 01:13:27,280
Speaker 1: know something, We're gonna spend the money and you can

1376
01:13:27,400 --> 01:13:29,320
Speaker 1: leave to treat a Rebecca. Either one you can take

1377
01:13:29,400 --> 01:13:31,640
Speaker 1: lead on this question because it's it's and both of

1378
01:13:31,680 --> 01:13:34,920
Speaker 1: can respond after other response as well. It's really great

1379
01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:37,840
Speaker 1: to be treated special and allowed to tell your story

1380
01:13:37,920 --> 01:13:40,559
Speaker 1: with a budget that allows you to tell the story correct.

1381
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:44,919
Speaker 1: You're absolutely right. I think it makes such a difference

1382
01:13:45,200 --> 01:13:48,200
Speaker 1: in how you feel like you can do your job

1383
01:13:48,720 --> 01:13:52,680
Speaker 1: because you know that other people are being given the

1384
01:13:52,800 --> 01:13:55,040
Speaker 1: access to do their job right, and so it just

1385
01:13:55,200 --> 01:13:57,200
Speaker 1: makes what you have to do that much easier. It

1386
01:13:57,320 --> 01:13:59,639
Speaker 1: made what we had to do so much easier because

1387
01:14:00,160 --> 01:14:04,160
Speaker 1: Jennifer Bryant had our backs with these beautiful costumes that

1388
01:14:04,280 --> 01:14:09,000
Speaker 1: fit us perfectly, and Miss Louisa was making these wigs

1389
01:14:09,080 --> 01:14:13,639
Speaker 1: that were so stunning but also really fit our natural

1390
01:14:13,720 --> 01:14:16,840
Speaker 1: hair textures of our face shapes, and you know, we

1391
01:14:17,040 --> 01:14:20,840
Speaker 1: had Marietta in the makeup department and her entire team

1392
01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:23,559
Speaker 1: just you know, making our faces look beautiful. But also

1393
01:14:23,680 --> 01:14:25,760
Speaker 1: like we made our faces look that way, not like

1394
01:14:26,160 --> 01:14:28,040
Speaker 1: a makeup team made our Facebook that way. I mean

1395
01:14:28,080 --> 01:14:31,000
Speaker 1: everything was taken care of so we could take care

1396
01:14:31,120 --> 01:14:36,160
Speaker 1: of these characters. Yeah, I would agree with that one.

1397
01:14:36,880 --> 01:14:40,880
Speaker 1: And also, you know every all these people who lead

1398
01:14:40,960 --> 01:14:47,600
Speaker 1: these departments were black women. Come on, all of the

1399
01:14:47,680 --> 01:14:51,800
Speaker 1: department heads were black women. They were black women, and

1400
01:14:51,960 --> 01:14:58,880
Speaker 1: they lead, they lead their teams with just the most esteemed.

1401
01:14:58,880 --> 01:15:02,160
Speaker 1: They were so distinguished, they were very clear. Um, they

1402
01:15:02,280 --> 01:15:05,479
Speaker 1: made us. I just keep using the word comfortable because

1403
01:15:05,560 --> 01:15:08,840
Speaker 1: I never I never worried about my hair, I never

1404
01:15:08,880 --> 01:15:13,000
Speaker 1: worried about my makeup. Um, I definitely never worried about clothes.

1405
01:15:13,120 --> 01:15:15,120
Speaker 1: Like we were comfortable all the time. And if they

1406
01:15:15,280 --> 01:15:18,920
Speaker 1: if there ever were a concerned a question, I would

1407
01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:22,400
Speaker 1: just be like, hey, um my pants are too tight.

1408
01:15:23,080 --> 01:15:25,960
Speaker 1: It would give me figgers fans like it was. It

1409
01:15:26,080 --> 01:15:30,479
Speaker 1: was never anything. It was just always because work in

1410
01:15:30,600 --> 01:15:32,320
Speaker 1: in that scene. Long, we're going out with the type

1411
01:15:32,400 --> 01:15:38,840
Speaker 1: and none of that all uncomfortable. I'll with you, let

1412
01:15:38,920 --> 01:15:41,479
Speaker 1: me change these pants. They showing it tight riding upon me.

1413
01:15:43,520 --> 01:15:45,760
Speaker 1: But that's but you know, the beauty of watching we

1414
01:15:45,840 --> 01:15:48,519
Speaker 1: were talking. I'm talking to Patrice Covington and Rebecca and

1415
01:15:48,560 --> 01:15:52,400
Speaker 1: Naomi Jones and goings to the anthology series UH called

1416
01:15:52,479 --> 01:15:56,400
Speaker 1: Genius and premiers a national geo U this uh Sunday March.

1417
01:15:58,280 --> 01:16:01,000
Speaker 1: Not only am I recommending, I'm just so fortunate to

1418
01:16:01,040 --> 01:16:04,360
Speaker 1: be able to talk to trut talented people because when

1419
01:16:04,360 --> 01:16:06,360
Speaker 1: I get to see something like that and I and I,

1420
01:16:06,520 --> 01:16:09,559
Speaker 1: and it takes me to a level of imagination because

1421
01:16:09,920 --> 01:16:13,160
Speaker 1: you guys gifted, You have gifts, and those gifts that

1422
01:16:13,320 --> 01:16:17,000
Speaker 1: you allowed me to share with like seeing you, like

1423
01:16:17,240 --> 01:16:19,160
Speaker 1: like like I knew when you were really singing that

1424
01:16:19,280 --> 01:16:22,560
Speaker 1: going wow, you know, that's that's a blessing. And so

1425
01:16:22,760 --> 01:16:25,799
Speaker 1: I have to believe that you guys understand your blessing

1426
01:16:25,920 --> 01:16:28,519
Speaker 1: and you feel very fortunate to be able to sharing

1427
01:16:28,680 --> 01:16:31,200
Speaker 1: them in the entertainment form like I know this your

1428
01:16:31,200 --> 01:16:37,000
Speaker 1: first television series and applause And but again, it's gonna

1429
01:16:37,040 --> 01:16:39,439
Speaker 1: be more, it's gonna be movies. And I know, you know,

1430
01:16:39,520 --> 01:16:41,639
Speaker 1: you have to doing your thing, you know, miss thing,

1431
01:16:42,200 --> 01:16:44,320
Speaker 1: you know, But but how how is life? What's the

1432
01:16:44,400 --> 01:16:49,479
Speaker 1: future for each one of you? Gonna go first, Pecca.

1433
01:16:51,040 --> 01:16:56,720
Speaker 1: The future is fabulous. Uh you know, the fab the fabulous,

1434
01:16:57,120 --> 01:17:06,320
Speaker 1: the fabulous. Come on. I can assure you that, Um yeah,

1435
01:17:06,360 --> 01:17:10,360
Speaker 1: they're they're a little little projects coming coming more uh

1436
01:17:10,680 --> 01:17:12,400
Speaker 1: here and there that I'm not sure if I'm allowed

1437
01:17:12,400 --> 01:17:16,479
Speaker 1: to speak about yet. But you know, I'm still waiting

1438
01:17:16,560 --> 01:17:19,000
Speaker 1: for that next big thing. But I'll let you know

1439
01:17:19,520 --> 01:17:22,080
Speaker 1: and and guess what. Feel free to come on my show.

1440
01:17:22,680 --> 01:17:25,080
Speaker 1: I'd like to believe that developed a relationship with you

1441
01:17:25,240 --> 01:17:29,280
Speaker 1: to that allows to I trust the opportunities. And I've

1442
01:17:29,280 --> 01:17:31,960
Speaker 1: been an entertainment business, you know, started writing no TV

1443
01:17:32,080 --> 01:17:34,439
Speaker 1: shows a ninety two. I know how this thing works.

1444
01:17:34,520 --> 01:17:37,200
Speaker 1: Sometimes all the auditions come on the same day and

1445
01:17:37,240 --> 01:17:40,360
Speaker 1: then they go months there's no audition, and you'll be going, God,

1446
01:17:40,640 --> 01:17:43,599
Speaker 1: what's going on? I've been broke for six months now.

1447
01:17:43,720 --> 01:17:45,920
Speaker 1: The day I ain't broke, I got five auditions and

1448
01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:47,680
Speaker 1: didn't get none of them. So what what? What? What

1449
01:17:47,760 --> 01:17:50,759
Speaker 1: are we going with this? And that's the really Patricia.

1450
01:17:50,840 --> 01:17:53,120
Speaker 1: You can expound just some just life and just tell

1451
01:17:53,200 --> 01:17:55,839
Speaker 1: people who try to make this business work for themselves,

1452
01:17:56,240 --> 01:18:00,320
Speaker 1: what enthusiastic what points of support can you give them? Advice?

1453
01:18:00,680 --> 01:18:03,760
Speaker 1: When you hit those low points because the highs are

1454
01:18:03,920 --> 01:18:06,360
Speaker 1: incredible and it's worth it. But when you hit those

1455
01:18:06,400 --> 01:18:09,160
Speaker 1: low points, you gotta dig out of and realize that's

1456
01:18:09,160 --> 01:18:13,280
Speaker 1: part of the process. Yeah, Well, in this business we

1457
01:18:13,760 --> 01:18:19,440
Speaker 1: have way more nose than yes. I mean, we audition.

1458
01:18:19,880 --> 01:18:22,840
Speaker 1: Sometimes you can audition four or five seven times a

1459
01:18:22,920 --> 01:18:28,080
Speaker 1: week and get nothing. When I booked this job, it

1460
01:18:28,200 --> 01:18:30,160
Speaker 1: was the only job I booked that year outside of

1461
01:18:30,280 --> 01:18:33,080
Speaker 1: you know, background singing and doing other things. You know.

1462
01:18:33,200 --> 01:18:37,400
Speaker 1: But I think what's important is creating and not waiting.

1463
01:18:38,080 --> 01:18:43,280
Speaker 1: That's one, speaking things as if they already are, and

1464
01:18:43,400 --> 01:18:47,240
Speaker 1: then just always being generous with light. So I have

1465
01:18:47,400 --> 01:18:50,240
Speaker 1: this um this saying this model that is trademarks are

1466
01:18:50,240 --> 01:18:52,960
Speaker 1: don't try to steal it, Russian McDonald. It's don't be

1467
01:18:53,080 --> 01:18:59,080
Speaker 1: a star being a galaxy. Now I saw that now,

1468
01:19:00,840 --> 01:19:03,320
Speaker 1: So what that means, It's means so many things. When

1469
01:19:03,360 --> 01:19:05,240
Speaker 1: I first created it, it was about you know, just

1470
01:19:05,439 --> 01:19:08,640
Speaker 1: being being sparkly and you know, being a star. But

1471
01:19:09,760 --> 01:19:11,760
Speaker 1: as as the years have gone on, it has gone

1472
01:19:11,800 --> 01:19:14,240
Speaker 1: on to me and just sharing, like, you know, if

1473
01:19:14,400 --> 01:19:16,600
Speaker 1: Rebecca and not see an audition that we think is

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01:19:16,760 --> 01:19:19,320
Speaker 1: right for the other, I'm gonna tell Rebecca I know

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Speaker 1: that what's mine is mine. It will never pass me by.

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Speaker 1: I'm always gonna shine light on her talent because I

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Speaker 1: think she's an amazing talent. No star shines bright without

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Speaker 1: the next star next to it shining. There's so much more,

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Speaker 1: There's enough for everybody. So I just think, when what

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Speaker 1: you give out is what you get in, what you are,

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Speaker 1: what you will receive. So um, just keep being nice,

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Speaker 1: believed that karma is a real thing and create. Don't wait,

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Speaker 1: Okay has spoken your pockets and give me all your offer.

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Speaker 1: If you cem, we'll be asking for Franklin. We'll be

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Speaker 1: asking for according to be fans, and I be reefly

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Speaker 1: remiss not to talk about the very talented young actress

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Speaker 1: who played the role of the young Aretha Franklin who

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Speaker 1: carries her because you know this, this is an anthology,

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Speaker 1: so they do a lot of flashbacks. So just because

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Speaker 1: you see a character in the first episode, you're gonna

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Speaker 1: see him throughout the hoax episode because you're doing because

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Speaker 1: it allows you to see what makes Areta at this

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Speaker 1: point of her life, what happened in her life at

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01:20:23,760 --> 01:20:26,000
Speaker 1: that age that made her either hard, made a sophomore,

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Speaker 1: the emotional maybe made her not trust anybody, because that

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Speaker 1: was a big thing about trust in her life. You know,

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Speaker 1: that came up with Ted, and it came up with

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Speaker 1: her father cl so enclosing. Rebecca, you know, you know,

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Speaker 1: you know, Deacon Deacon, Deacon treats and spoke now, uh

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Speaker 1: ch just to day. You know she's passed to play.

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Speaker 1: But ain't nobody putting no money in it yet? Okay, Rebecca,

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Speaker 1: I'm at the altar. I just want to join the church.

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Speaker 1: Come on, you know thing. You guys are amazing the

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01:21:20,920 --> 01:21:24,479
Speaker 1: heck with all these compliments. I watched all seven episodes

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Speaker 1: on Sunday. Okay, I'm just telling you. I I started

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Speaker 1: at one o'clock in the middle of March madness, and

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Speaker 1: I'm going okay, okay, Episode two, Episode three, Okay, I

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Speaker 1: look at the minute forty five and I got forty

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Speaker 1: five minutes. I didn't not finished till nine thirty last night,

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Speaker 1: and I was mad because they only sent me seven

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Speaker 1: episode and it's the episode serious because I gotta wait

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Speaker 1: till the end and it's gonna be worth it. I'm

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Speaker 1: passing the passing the information line about high grade this seriously.

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Speaker 1: More importantly, I got to introduce America and my fan

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Speaker 1: back to Money Making Conversations with your host, Rashaan McDonald,

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Speaker 1: my guest dog, Dr Willy Jolly and d Taylor Jolly.

1582
01:25:23,880 --> 01:25:26,519
Speaker 1: They are the authors of the Make Love, Make Money,

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Speaker 1: Make It Last book tend Secrets to the Shape a

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Speaker 1: Great Marriage. Please, welcome to Money Making Conversation the world.

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Speaker 1: We're now Hall of Fame speaker and best selling author

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Speaker 1: Dr Willy Jolly and the c O O. Willie Jolly Worldwide.

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Speaker 1: De Taylor Jolly, how y'all doing very well? Pleased, the

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Speaker 1: grateful and glad to have you as my friend for

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Speaker 1: all these years, and we are honored to be able

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Speaker 1: to be on with you and honored to be able

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Speaker 1: to share some ideas with your audience hopefully will empower, inspire,

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01:25:59,280 --> 01:26:02,880
Speaker 1: and let's stair relationships in that marriage. Well, first of all,

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01:26:02,920 --> 01:26:04,479
Speaker 1: I got I gotta go to D first, you know,

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01:26:04,520 --> 01:26:06,599
Speaker 1: because I read the book. You know, because I knew

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01:26:06,640 --> 01:26:09,000
Speaker 1: D had swag. When she had a two eight e

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Speaker 1: Z dot DOTR too e Z. I said, okay, okay, now, okay, now,

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Speaker 1: because that was the car I have, Willie. Doctor to

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01:26:17,160 --> 01:26:19,400
Speaker 1: a d C. You had to have a little money

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Speaker 1: in your bake. You had to have a little flat

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Speaker 1: bo girl. Hey, Willie, you couldn't tell her nothing when

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Speaker 1: she had adopted two e Z, could you? You're right,

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01:26:29,920 --> 01:26:40,519
Speaker 1: You're right, and you're drove it into the ground, you

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01:26:40,600 --> 01:26:47,320
Speaker 1: know that's true. When I got married to her, a

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01:26:47,479 --> 01:26:50,599
Speaker 1: lot of driving it and I just drove it into

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01:26:50,640 --> 01:26:55,000
Speaker 1: the absolutely yeah right when you looking ahead, class and

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01:26:55,200 --> 01:27:00,080
Speaker 1: style and to a e Z? What color was the

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01:27:00,160 --> 01:27:05,400
Speaker 1: d what color was it? It was? Person? It special,

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01:27:05,640 --> 01:27:12,960
Speaker 1: a special honor, a specialnor. You know, I took a

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01:27:13,000 --> 01:27:14,720
Speaker 1: lot of fun. That's why I wanted to start off

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01:27:15,160 --> 01:27:17,160
Speaker 1: with the with and talking about some of the things

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01:27:17,240 --> 01:27:20,320
Speaker 1: that I felt were engaging about your book or personal

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01:27:20,360 --> 01:27:22,600
Speaker 1: about the book. Because when you write a book like that,

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01:27:22,760 --> 01:27:26,200
Speaker 1: it has to be honest and and and and sometimes

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01:27:26,320 --> 01:27:29,519
Speaker 1: telling your story. It takes moments because you know, as

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01:27:29,560 --> 01:27:31,519
Speaker 1: you keep writing a book, you start, oh, let me,

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01:27:31,680 --> 01:27:33,439
Speaker 1: let me add this, so you start remembering a part

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01:27:33,479 --> 01:27:35,720
Speaker 1: of a story that you actually forgot that becomes an

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01:27:35,720 --> 01:27:38,360
Speaker 1: important part of the book. And and sitting down as

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Speaker 1: a couple because I love what it says. What will

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01:27:42,000 --> 01:27:44,760
Speaker 1: it say? Is what D says. So each one of

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01:27:44,840 --> 01:27:48,040
Speaker 1: you as a couple saw things differently, but worked as

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01:27:48,080 --> 01:27:52,880
Speaker 1: a unit to succeed. Correct. Absolutely, you're right, and once

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Speaker 1: she was one of the challenges. You know, I've read

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Speaker 1: a number of books, many of them uh global bestsellers.

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Speaker 1: It only takes a many change of life setback as

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Speaker 1: a setup for comeback, turned setbacks into greenbacks and attitude

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01:28:05,760 --> 01:28:09,519
Speaker 1: of excellence chicken soup for the Christian soul. Writing one

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01:28:09,600 --> 01:28:13,599
Speaker 1: with my wife was really difficult because she typically has

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01:28:13,640 --> 01:28:16,880
Speaker 1: been my editor of all my books, and so when

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01:28:16,960 --> 01:28:20,040
Speaker 1: we went to write this one, it was challenging because

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01:28:20,479 --> 01:28:23,760
Speaker 1: I have my own voice, and I had never that

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Speaker 1: I had my own voice and that I was not

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Speaker 1: simply editing what he said. So we we struggle for

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01:28:31,320 --> 01:28:34,240
Speaker 1: a little while to we figured out our speed and

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01:28:34,360 --> 01:28:36,880
Speaker 1: how it's going to work, and then we would look

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01:28:36,960 --> 01:28:40,960
Speaker 1: at the ten principles that we had developed over these

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Speaker 1: thirties six years or at that point it was about

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Speaker 1: thirty thirty two years, thirty three years when we wrote

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01:28:46,400 --> 01:28:50,200
Speaker 1: the book. Also and uh, then once we got the

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Speaker 1: principles lined up, who said, Okay, I will write my

1641
01:28:54,080 --> 01:28:57,400
Speaker 1: part or my take, Orange write her take. And that's

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Speaker 1: when it really found magic. Not one other fact when

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01:29:01,240 --> 01:29:03,479
Speaker 1: we wrote the but we've been married for thirty six years,

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01:29:03,640 --> 01:29:06,720
Speaker 1: haven't had an argument, and over thirty three years now,

1645
01:29:06,840 --> 01:29:08,920
Speaker 1: those first couple of years with like World War three,

1646
01:29:09,400 --> 01:29:12,680
Speaker 1: I learned some principles that helped us stop arguing and

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01:29:12,840 --> 01:29:17,960
Speaker 1: get to loving each other. And I thought, she's staring

1648
01:29:18,000 --> 01:29:19,840
Speaker 1: at you, and she's staring at you, Willie. She's staring

1649
01:29:19,880 --> 01:29:21,360
Speaker 1: at you while you talking. Now, I don't know if

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01:29:21,439 --> 01:29:24,439
Speaker 1: all that's working in the direction you know the book is,

1651
01:29:24,960 --> 01:29:27,880
Speaker 1: Willie says, And D says. I think that was a

1652
01:29:28,040 --> 01:29:31,000
Speaker 1: D says, stands she was given she wanted to say

1653
01:29:31,040 --> 01:29:34,479
Speaker 1: about it. We got the principle, but we had to

1654
01:29:34,560 --> 01:29:39,639
Speaker 1: then embrace them. Go ahead, baby, I'm a former school

1655
01:29:39,640 --> 01:29:46,160
Speaker 1: teaching too. Absolutely so the nonverbal communication but embracing versus

1656
01:29:46,400 --> 01:29:51,120
Speaker 1: actually implementing the two different things right. So we had mentors,

1657
01:29:51,360 --> 01:29:55,120
Speaker 1: we had information, but we had to decide that we

1658
01:29:55,400 --> 01:29:57,840
Speaker 1: wanted to do this and that we wanted to work

1659
01:29:57,880 --> 01:30:01,960
Speaker 1: through it together. I would say that the most difficult

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01:30:03,120 --> 01:30:07,439
Speaker 1: part of the development of our relationship is actually how

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01:30:07,800 --> 01:30:12,080
Speaker 1: we communicate. Because Willie speaks for a living and he

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01:30:12,200 --> 01:30:16,360
Speaker 1: writes books in the life, so sometimes it can be

1663
01:30:16,560 --> 01:30:22,160
Speaker 1: overpowering until you pulled back and say, let's wait a minute. Now,

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01:30:23,080 --> 01:30:26,760
Speaker 1: here's what I have to say, and this is how

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01:30:27,000 --> 01:30:31,439
Speaker 1: I need you to communicate with me. And that came

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01:30:31,520 --> 01:30:35,280
Speaker 1: to a head over the Chinese food. Yeah, the biggest,

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01:30:35,640 --> 01:30:38,000
Speaker 1: the biggest challenge to our marriage came one night in

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01:30:38,080 --> 01:30:41,479
Speaker 1: a Chinese restaurant where we carry carry out when we

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01:30:41,520 --> 01:30:44,920
Speaker 1: almost broke up. And it's one of the biggest points

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01:30:45,000 --> 01:30:47,759
Speaker 1: in our marriage. And we talked about that three boulders

1671
01:30:47,840 --> 01:30:51,640
Speaker 1: that break up marriage, sex, money, and communication and communication

1672
01:30:51,960 --> 01:30:55,439
Speaker 1: is the three that we've through all of those, and

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01:30:55,680 --> 01:30:59,120
Speaker 1: we almost came to to end of our marriage over

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01:30:59,240 --> 01:31:03,200
Speaker 1: Chinese food. What basically happened was her family was coming

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01:31:03,680 --> 01:31:08,640
Speaker 1: to visit. I wanted to impress my brother right to

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01:31:08,840 --> 01:31:12,320
Speaker 1: d C. I'm a nice little southern girl from Hampton, Virginia,

1677
01:31:12,439 --> 01:31:15,360
Speaker 1: my father said, was a pastor and the like. And

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01:31:15,520 --> 01:31:19,320
Speaker 1: I wanted to simply impress my brother and his wife

1679
01:31:19,400 --> 01:31:21,960
Speaker 1: that we were doing okay, and we were doing well.

1680
01:31:22,200 --> 01:31:23,920
Speaker 1: And he said he. I said, what do y'all want

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01:31:23,960 --> 01:31:25,960
Speaker 1: for them? And he said, how about Chinese? Y'all got

1682
01:31:26,040 --> 01:31:27,880
Speaker 1: good Chinese restaurants And they don't have a lot of

1683
01:31:27,960 --> 01:31:30,760
Speaker 1: Chinese restaurants in the city where she's from and a

1684
01:31:30,840 --> 01:31:34,200
Speaker 1: southern city. I said, got you. I'm a Chinese food

1685
01:31:34,240 --> 01:31:39,280
Speaker 1: of ficiato, an expert, right all the spots. Now, she said,

1686
01:31:39,320 --> 01:31:42,800
Speaker 1: you like sushi. She be educating the sushi with you. Okay,

1687
01:31:43,040 --> 01:31:47,439
Speaker 1: so I know you got it. You read it. Yeah.

1688
01:31:47,600 --> 01:31:49,880
Speaker 1: I also know that you were introverted as well, so

1689
01:31:50,200 --> 01:31:55,839
Speaker 1: you were going you. So we got to the restaurant.

1690
01:31:55,880 --> 01:31:57,600
Speaker 1: I told her, here's what we need. She said, no,

1691
01:31:57,720 --> 01:31:59,880
Speaker 1: we need more. I said, no, this is all we need.

1692
01:32:00,000 --> 01:32:05,599
Speaker 1: Know we need more? And I he was cheap. I'n't

1693
01:32:05,680 --> 01:32:11,559
Speaker 1: known for being strategy like a dollar hollow right right, right,

1694
01:32:11,680 --> 01:32:14,560
Speaker 1: right right, I said, here before we need and I

1695
01:32:14,680 --> 01:32:20,920
Speaker 1: got loud. I got loud. Unacceptable behavior for him to

1696
01:32:21,080 --> 01:32:24,600
Speaker 1: get loud with me, and so it got loud and

1697
01:32:24,720 --> 01:32:27,960
Speaker 1: more intense, and finally it got I was fever pitch,

1698
01:32:28,080 --> 01:32:34,840
Speaker 1: I was hollering, and she said, I will leave you married, folks.

1699
01:32:34,920 --> 01:32:38,599
Speaker 1: Here's a word I want you to learn. Dial it back,

1700
01:32:39,120 --> 01:32:43,679
Speaker 1: little phrase, dialing back. I said, dollar back, dollar value.

1701
01:32:43,840 --> 01:32:47,120
Speaker 1: He ordered everything that I thought we should have, went home,

1702
01:32:47,320 --> 01:32:50,400
Speaker 1: had dinner the end of the night, after everybody eating,

1703
01:32:51,560 --> 01:32:55,920
Speaker 1: we had leftovers. How much A lot, A lot. He

1704
01:32:56,120 --> 01:33:01,519
Speaker 1: doesn't like having Chinese leftovers because he says they're knocking

1705
01:33:01,600 --> 01:33:06,400
Speaker 1: the next step. But he was right. It was too much.

1706
01:33:07,280 --> 01:33:10,960
Speaker 1: And so when they left, we said, let's talk. You

1707
01:33:11,160 --> 01:33:14,760
Speaker 1: said he had to have a conversation, which was the

1708
01:33:14,960 --> 01:33:17,200
Speaker 1: very wise thing on his birthday. I said, we need

1709
01:33:17,280 --> 01:33:20,360
Speaker 1: to talk about this, and she said very clearly, I

1710
01:33:20,439 --> 01:33:25,000
Speaker 1: don't like anybody. I'm a daddy's girl. My daddy, Fire

1711
01:33:25,200 --> 01:33:32,160
Speaker 1: Bramstone Minister never raised his voice to me, always sweet,

1712
01:33:32,880 --> 01:33:36,960
Speaker 1: loving kind my brother, and I always said, you and

1713
01:33:37,040 --> 01:33:39,880
Speaker 1: you went this big time talker, this big time talker

1714
01:33:40,000 --> 01:33:42,720
Speaker 1: over here, he talks to thousands. That's that's Willie. He

1715
01:33:42,840 --> 01:33:45,640
Speaker 1: a big time talker, right you you know you pe k,

1716
01:33:46,120 --> 01:33:49,920
Speaker 1: big time talker. P K at the restaurant. He became

1717
01:33:49,920 --> 01:33:56,200
Speaker 1: a big time talker. MS introverts stepped up a game.

1718
01:33:57,320 --> 01:33:59,320
Speaker 1: There you go, and I said, and she said, I

1719
01:33:59,320 --> 01:34:03,640
Speaker 1: don't like people all at me. And I said, got it.

1720
01:34:04,640 --> 01:34:07,360
Speaker 1: And and now that I've got yours, let me tell

1721
01:34:07,400 --> 01:34:10,920
Speaker 1: you mine. I don't like people threatening to leave me,

1722
01:34:12,360 --> 01:34:15,360
Speaker 1: and don't don't threaten me. And so we made a

1723
01:34:16,280 --> 01:34:18,840
Speaker 1: we made an agreement. I said, I will never hauler

1724
01:34:18,880 --> 01:34:21,600
Speaker 1: at you again, and she said, I'll never threaten to

1725
01:34:21,680 --> 01:34:24,360
Speaker 1: leave you. And that's been over thirty three years. We

1726
01:34:24,479 --> 01:34:28,160
Speaker 1: haven't had an argument since. We don't always agree, but

1727
01:34:28,360 --> 01:34:31,920
Speaker 1: we've learned how to have systems that will help us

1728
01:34:32,000 --> 01:34:35,000
Speaker 1: to disagree without being disagreeable. And that's a chapter in

1729
01:34:35,040 --> 01:34:40,160
Speaker 1: the book that you disagree without being disagreeable there really

1730
01:34:40,400 --> 01:34:44,479
Speaker 1: there really isn't also isn't it also being disrespectful to

1731
01:34:45,000 --> 01:34:46,800
Speaker 1: in that part right there? You know? Which I which

1732
01:34:46,800 --> 01:34:50,599
Speaker 1: I like about the book is that you know it's

1733
01:34:50,600 --> 01:34:53,479
Speaker 1: all about communication when you said it earlier, Willie, because

1734
01:34:53,520 --> 01:34:56,960
Speaker 1: they're really communication and money, communication and big communication with

1735
01:34:57,040 --> 01:34:59,840
Speaker 1: your kids, communication when you work all that, if you

1736
01:35:00,040 --> 01:35:03,200
Speaker 1: don't communicate, and that was my biggest takeaway from this

1737
01:35:03,400 --> 01:35:06,519
Speaker 1: whole book was that you guys have mastered the art

1738
01:35:06,560 --> 01:35:10,160
Speaker 1: of communication. And that's what you're telling everybody. If you

1739
01:35:10,240 --> 01:35:12,880
Speaker 1: don't communicate, you can be two different people. And I

1740
01:35:13,000 --> 01:35:14,840
Speaker 1: love when you're talking about you know, he liked this

1741
01:35:14,960 --> 01:35:18,120
Speaker 1: type of food. I wasn't a sushi love. I had

1742
01:35:18,160 --> 01:35:20,559
Speaker 1: to be brought home to that side of the table.

1743
01:35:20,880 --> 01:35:23,200
Speaker 1: And then when you got to the whole part about

1744
01:35:23,280 --> 01:35:25,960
Speaker 1: his daughter shared that's the point where I had the

1745
01:35:26,080 --> 01:35:28,720
Speaker 1: most fun in the book because d I didn't know you,

1746
01:35:29,200 --> 01:35:32,760
Speaker 1: but it is so vivid, it is so colorful. You're

1747
01:35:32,880 --> 01:35:36,560
Speaker 1: driving at five hours to pick up his daughter, and

1748
01:35:36,720 --> 01:35:39,920
Speaker 1: you wouldn't one hundred be sent in the club of

1749
01:35:40,040 --> 01:35:43,920
Speaker 1: going backgether, like you said, the ex wife made her bad.

1750
01:35:44,120 --> 01:35:51,000
Speaker 1: As you said, sleep in it. You know, blending family

1751
01:35:51,040 --> 01:35:55,200
Speaker 1: raises can be very challenging, and and and marriages where

1752
01:35:55,280 --> 01:35:57,920
Speaker 1: you're blending up families. She had been back before I

1753
01:35:58,040 --> 01:35:59,920
Speaker 1: had a child, before I got married, and we had

1754
01:35:59,920 --> 01:36:03,200
Speaker 1: to blend all of this and it was very challenging.

1755
01:36:03,560 --> 01:36:07,400
Speaker 1: But again, it was the communication. It was the wise

1756
01:36:07,600 --> 01:36:13,040
Speaker 1: counsel of my mom, a mentor. When I called her

1757
01:36:13,080 --> 01:36:16,040
Speaker 1: and said what Willie was going to do? He was

1758
01:36:16,120 --> 01:36:19,400
Speaker 1: going to go pick up Sherry. I'm like, the house

1759
01:36:19,560 --> 01:36:22,960
Speaker 1: is calm, everybody gets along. Well, why are you doing this?

1760
01:36:23,920 --> 01:36:26,280
Speaker 1: And my mother said to me, I think what you said?

1761
01:36:26,360 --> 01:36:29,080
Speaker 1: She said, this is your mama said, you want to

1762
01:36:29,160 --> 01:36:32,360
Speaker 1: be married to a man that wants to be responsible

1763
01:36:32,600 --> 01:36:35,000
Speaker 1: to the children that he brought into this world. That's

1764
01:36:35,000 --> 01:36:37,040
Speaker 1: what your mama took. Why would you want a man

1765
01:36:37,200 --> 01:36:39,519
Speaker 1: like that? Why would you respect a man like that

1766
01:36:39,840 --> 01:36:42,240
Speaker 1: while you wouldn't love a man like that. That's what

1767
01:36:42,360 --> 01:36:44,880
Speaker 1: your mama said in this book. Did I read? Yes,

1768
01:36:46,720 --> 01:36:50,080
Speaker 1: you read that. That was her mama. And let me

1769
01:36:50,160 --> 01:36:53,320
Speaker 1: tell you something. It was the key because her mother

1770
01:36:53,479 --> 01:36:56,400
Speaker 1: made the difference, and so you know that communication. Look,

1771
01:36:56,479 --> 01:36:59,519
Speaker 1: the communication chapter is probably the biggest chapter, and we

1772
01:36:59,640 --> 01:37:02,080
Speaker 1: give that away free. Everybody. Want to give it to

1773
01:37:02,160 --> 01:37:04,559
Speaker 1: all your listeners on people who are viewing it can

1774
01:37:04,640 --> 01:37:08,760
Speaker 1: go to Jolly marriage dot com. Jolly marriage dot com

1775
01:37:08,880 --> 01:37:12,120
Speaker 1: get the free chapter from that book and we'll bless you.

1776
01:37:12,200 --> 01:37:14,439
Speaker 1: And if you choose to get the book, we recommend

1777
01:37:14,479 --> 01:37:16,720
Speaker 1: you get two copies going for each of you. We've

1778
01:37:16,720 --> 01:37:18,920
Speaker 1: had so many couples who were on their way to

1779
01:37:19,000 --> 01:37:22,160
Speaker 1: divorce court who was saying, we're gonna try one more time.

1780
01:37:22,200 --> 01:37:24,080
Speaker 1: They've got two copies and at the end of each

1781
01:37:24,200 --> 01:37:27,200
Speaker 1: chapter they would talk about what they learned. And we've

1782
01:37:27,240 --> 01:37:30,120
Speaker 1: had so many calls afterwards. In one particular call and said,

1783
01:37:30,560 --> 01:37:33,720
Speaker 1: we've been married fifteen years and we are not only

1784
01:37:33,920 --> 01:37:36,040
Speaker 1: not divorcing, but when we got to the end, we

1785
01:37:36,200 --> 01:37:39,120
Speaker 1: closed the book and we cried together because we realized

1786
01:37:39,160 --> 01:37:41,920
Speaker 1: we really didn't know much about each other. So we

1787
01:37:42,000 --> 01:37:44,200
Speaker 1: want to give that away Jolly marriage dot com. If

1788
01:37:44,240 --> 01:37:48,120
Speaker 1: ever we talk about sex, chapter chapter eight, Chapter eight,

1789
01:37:49,120 --> 01:37:52,439
Speaker 1: Chapter eight, now I know about that chapter. Now chapter

1790
01:37:52,560 --> 01:37:58,280
Speaker 1: the hot chapter, I think because it's titled sex, Headaches

1791
01:37:58,280 --> 01:38:00,280
Speaker 1: and Other Lives, he gets a lot of ten. But

1792
01:38:00,520 --> 01:38:07,120
Speaker 1: sex is not just intercourse, absolutely absolutely the intimacy which

1793
01:38:07,320 --> 01:38:12,479
Speaker 1: women need more so than the man, and it takes

1794
01:38:12,600 --> 01:38:17,640
Speaker 1: us along the road ending up with sex that intercourse.

1795
01:38:18,320 --> 01:38:23,479
Speaker 1: But women need the words, they need the roses, they

1796
01:38:23,560 --> 01:38:30,800
Speaker 1: need the tenderness, rose, they need the sweet talk. Look

1797
01:38:30,800 --> 01:38:34,960
Speaker 1: at you, look at you too much? You too much,

1798
01:38:37,120 --> 01:38:40,559
Speaker 1: but it makes me want to be close to him.

1799
01:38:40,720 --> 01:38:45,000
Speaker 1: You know the thing about it. Times we forget, but

1800
01:38:45,160 --> 01:38:52,000
Speaker 1: then all of the confusion and chaos, including the pandemic,

1801
01:38:52,800 --> 01:39:00,720
Speaker 1: we forget kind words, something tender, It actually draws the

1802
01:39:00,920 --> 01:39:08,040
Speaker 1: woman in and helps develop romance. Right, And I tell brothers, brothers,

1803
01:39:08,080 --> 01:39:10,400
Speaker 1: if you want some action to night, you need to

1804
01:39:10,439 --> 01:39:13,639
Speaker 1: start working on it. In the morning, thank you. Stop

1805
01:39:13,760 --> 01:39:15,920
Speaker 1: working the therd. And in the morning, I take her

1806
01:39:15,920 --> 01:39:18,240
Speaker 1: a smooth ye and the running a couple of office.

1807
01:39:18,479 --> 01:39:20,559
Speaker 1: But she's at her desk. I sent her a little

1808
01:39:20,640 --> 01:39:23,479
Speaker 1: text from my offer to her. She show across the

1809
01:39:23,560 --> 01:39:25,439
Speaker 1: hall from each other. Yeah, I said, you sure look

1810
01:39:25,520 --> 01:39:29,960
Speaker 1: good today. Make a big difference and and it will

1811
01:39:30,000 --> 01:39:32,960
Speaker 1: work better for you, gentlemen if you do it in

1812
01:39:33,160 --> 01:39:36,880
Speaker 1: that process, not just coming at the last minute at night. Gone,

1813
01:39:37,160 --> 01:39:39,880
Speaker 1: you're ready. You're that don't work. That don't work in

1814
01:39:39,960 --> 01:39:44,560
Speaker 1: this world. You gotta be more thoughtful and caring and

1815
01:39:44,760 --> 01:39:47,840
Speaker 1: tender to make a word of difference in your love life.

1816
01:39:50,880 --> 01:39:53,400
Speaker 1: You'll stopping. I'm trying to interview you, y'all. I got this.

1817
01:39:53,520 --> 01:39:55,360
Speaker 1: I read the book. I know, y'all love. I know

1818
01:39:55,439 --> 01:39:58,000
Speaker 1: this might communication with some people that need telling each other.

1819
01:39:58,360 --> 01:40:04,559
Speaker 1: That's care. Will it stop? It? Okay? Now, Now let's

1820
01:40:04,560 --> 01:40:08,120
Speaker 1: talk about communication, because I want to go back a

1821
01:40:08,200 --> 01:40:11,439
Speaker 1: little bit to the sharing situation, because that was important,

1822
01:40:11,880 --> 01:40:15,400
Speaker 1: because it was about communication, because it was one person

1823
01:40:15,560 --> 01:40:20,120
Speaker 1: accepting another young lady who was hostile because she didn't know.

1824
01:40:20,240 --> 01:40:23,000
Speaker 1: You know, the mom threw our hands up after she drunk,

1825
01:40:23,080 --> 01:40:25,280
Speaker 1: and I was I always remember it was a very

1826
01:40:25,400 --> 01:40:30,439
Speaker 1: similar situation with my my older sister. I we moved

1827
01:40:30,479 --> 01:40:34,559
Speaker 1: her daughter in and we set rules, and then six

1828
01:40:34,640 --> 01:40:36,680
Speaker 1: months later she made the phone call. They treat me

1829
01:40:36,840 --> 01:40:40,599
Speaker 1: like I'm in prison. They they won't let me go out,

1830
01:40:40,920 --> 01:40:43,599
Speaker 1: they won't and then of course, hey, the sister came

1831
01:40:43,680 --> 01:40:46,000
Speaker 1: got her. And I always regret that I didn't put

1832
01:40:46,040 --> 01:40:47,960
Speaker 1: up a bigger fight because I felt that she would

1833
01:40:48,000 --> 01:40:51,200
Speaker 1: have lived a different life if she would have been

1834
01:40:51,280 --> 01:40:54,120
Speaker 1: with us. And then but you had to change. That's

1835
01:40:54,160 --> 01:40:56,920
Speaker 1: the adjustment in communication. You know, we could joke around

1836
01:40:56,960 --> 01:40:59,479
Speaker 1: about the love, but this is the communication and accepting

1837
01:40:59,560 --> 01:41:03,000
Speaker 1: situations that you may not be comfortable with. And that's

1838
01:41:03,040 --> 01:41:05,600
Speaker 1: really what I took away when I read about the

1839
01:41:05,920 --> 01:41:09,559
Speaker 1: situation with Sherry. Do you are not comfortable? And also

1840
01:41:09,760 --> 01:41:13,120
Speaker 1: whether you are not comfortable because you had to mediate

1841
01:41:13,560 --> 01:41:17,840
Speaker 1: two people you love, but also had to have discipline,

1842
01:41:17,840 --> 01:41:20,680
Speaker 1: and then indeed you had to admit you had to

1843
01:41:20,840 --> 01:41:24,920
Speaker 1: accept some of the rulings that he put in place

1844
01:41:25,240 --> 01:41:28,080
Speaker 1: to make this thing work. So there was acceptance, there

1845
01:41:28,160 --> 01:41:31,519
Speaker 1: was a human communication, and also accepting the ability to

1846
01:41:31,600 --> 01:41:34,800
Speaker 1: feel uncomfortable for the bigger goal. That was the most

1847
01:41:34,840 --> 01:41:37,120
Speaker 1: amazing part of the book for me because I took

1848
01:41:37,160 --> 01:41:40,519
Speaker 1: away so many different levels. That's that's great insight. And

1849
01:41:40,640 --> 01:41:46,719
Speaker 1: I think that you have to be willing to accept

1850
01:41:47,040 --> 01:41:50,479
Speaker 1: your own limitations and really who you are, Because if

1851
01:41:50,600 --> 01:41:53,760
Speaker 1: I had not been willing to say, I'm like, I'm

1852
01:41:53,920 --> 01:41:59,280
Speaker 1: doing this because I believe in and willing right, I'm

1853
01:41:59,360 --> 01:42:02,840
Speaker 1: married him, I don't agree. We talked about that because

1854
01:42:02,880 --> 01:42:06,320
Speaker 1: he's my best friend. The whole idea I gotta do

1855
01:42:06,439 --> 01:42:09,960
Speaker 1: all I can to save my daughter. I had to

1856
01:42:10,040 --> 01:42:14,320
Speaker 1: be on board, which meant I had to do the

1857
01:42:14,600 --> 01:42:18,680
Speaker 1: right thing whether I felt it or not. And that

1858
01:42:19,040 --> 01:42:22,800
Speaker 1: I think is so major. We get many of us

1859
01:42:22,880 --> 01:42:27,880
Speaker 1: blended families. We get caught up in the emotions and

1860
01:42:28,120 --> 01:42:32,600
Speaker 1: so we get carried away to the wrong things. We

1861
01:42:32,800 --> 01:42:36,840
Speaker 1: know the right things to do, we must do the

1862
01:42:37,120 --> 01:42:41,160
Speaker 1: right things, and then gradually the emotions come in and

1863
01:42:41,240 --> 01:42:46,760
Speaker 1: the situation changes hopefully. And we talked about better in

1864
01:42:46,880 --> 01:42:52,479
Speaker 1: this chapter called how to Handle a Stalemate, and it

1865
01:42:52,760 --> 01:42:56,960
Speaker 1: is a great object lesson on when you have two

1866
01:42:57,080 --> 01:43:02,639
Speaker 1: people who have opposite. And that's something that we decided

1867
01:43:02,680 --> 01:43:08,160
Speaker 1: on before we got married. Really had already talked about

1868
01:43:08,280 --> 01:43:13,280
Speaker 1: that in terms of this is not really it's fifty one.

1869
01:43:13,600 --> 01:43:17,120
Speaker 1: You know, that might not be a popular position today,

1870
01:43:17,800 --> 01:43:20,120
Speaker 1: but one you can't have a two headed You could

1871
01:43:20,160 --> 01:43:22,240
Speaker 1: have a two headed monster, but then you've got a monster.

1872
01:43:22,400 --> 01:43:25,160
Speaker 1: So how do we work through this? We worked through

1873
01:43:25,200 --> 01:43:27,840
Speaker 1: it by deciding early on. I said to her, look,

1874
01:43:28,960 --> 01:43:32,680
Speaker 1: you run everything, run the house, run the business. All

1875
01:43:32,720 --> 01:43:34,880
Speaker 1: I want you to do is to make me think

1876
01:43:34,960 --> 01:43:37,160
Speaker 1: I'm in charge. I feel like that was such a

1877
01:43:37,520 --> 01:43:41,200
Speaker 1: wise statement on the part of this young man, so

1878
01:43:41,439 --> 01:43:44,160
Speaker 1: I said, let me think I'm in charge. And I said,

1879
01:43:44,200 --> 01:43:48,360
Speaker 1: but what I will ask for is vito power. And

1880
01:43:48,880 --> 01:43:51,760
Speaker 1: when we are at at at a place where we

1881
01:43:51,920 --> 01:43:55,680
Speaker 1: both are a stalemaker, and all I ask you is

1882
01:43:55,720 --> 01:43:58,600
Speaker 1: give me vito and I promise you, I promise you

1883
01:43:58,680 --> 01:44:03,479
Speaker 1: I will never abusic. And in thirty six years of marriage,

1884
01:44:03,880 --> 01:44:07,240
Speaker 1: I've used it maybe two or three times. Always related

1885
01:44:07,280 --> 01:44:10,200
Speaker 1: to the children, Always related to the children, always related

1886
01:44:10,200 --> 01:44:12,559
Speaker 1: to the children, everything else we got. And I learned

1887
01:44:12,600 --> 01:44:15,280
Speaker 1: this from my my, my mom and dad. Uh with Sean.

1888
01:44:15,600 --> 01:44:17,960
Speaker 1: When my dad would be driving down the road my

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01:44:18,120 --> 01:44:21,000
Speaker 1: mom would be in the passenger seat. And you remember,

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Speaker 1: back in old days they didn't have the head and

1891
01:44:24,400 --> 01:44:27,479
Speaker 1: left and you had that one rear view mirror. You

1892
01:44:27,560 --> 01:44:30,080
Speaker 1: didn't have one on that side. And and we're riding

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Speaker 1: down the street and he said, can I get over?

1894
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Speaker 1: And my mom will wrote that window down and stick

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01:44:34,400 --> 01:44:36,200
Speaker 1: her head out to win. And she said either yes

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01:44:36,320 --> 01:44:40,080
Speaker 1: or no. And he would take his action dependent on

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Speaker 1: what she told because they were teammates and they made

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Speaker 1: decisions together. So I took that object lesson when we

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Speaker 1: got married, said, look, you're my teammate. Nine times out

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Speaker 1: of ten when you say we can get over, can

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01:44:52,640 --> 01:44:54,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna listen to you because you're always in it

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01:44:54,960 --> 01:44:57,680
Speaker 1: for our best good. But that one time we have

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01:44:57,800 --> 01:45:00,840
Speaker 1: a difference. And I know moral if this was a

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01:45:00,960 --> 01:45:04,560
Speaker 1: moral decision, not emotional decision with my daughter who was

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01:45:04,680 --> 01:45:07,360
Speaker 1: acting up and her mama called and said you gotta

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01:45:07,360 --> 01:45:09,559
Speaker 1: come get her, and D said, no, I don't want

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01:45:09,560 --> 01:45:12,920
Speaker 1: to do it. This was a critical moral decision. I said,

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01:45:12,960 --> 01:45:14,680
Speaker 1: we gotta do it. It's the right thing. I know

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01:45:14,840 --> 01:45:18,160
Speaker 1: it's hard, but we gotta do it. And this is

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01:45:18,240 --> 01:45:20,560
Speaker 1: one of those times I gotta use veto power and

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01:45:20,680 --> 01:45:24,120
Speaker 1: she said okay, once we here's a big thing, with

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Speaker 1: big thing. Once we said yes, she was all in.

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Speaker 1: But that is with anything where once you make the

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Speaker 1: decision okay, I want to go right, I want to

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Speaker 1: go left, I want a you want be Once you

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01:45:40,439 --> 01:45:44,400
Speaker 1: come to an agreement, you both have to be all in.

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Speaker 1: So even if it didn't turn out right, I had

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Speaker 1: to make sure that I had done everything in my

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Speaker 1: power that I could do to make it a success,

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Speaker 1: so that he could never say, well, you know, d

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Speaker 1: you didn't do No, this is a joint effort and

1922
01:46:03,680 --> 01:46:07,719
Speaker 1: we rise or fall together. And if it had gone

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Speaker 1: south and it hadn't worked out and didn't work out,

1924
01:46:09,800 --> 01:46:12,400
Speaker 1: work out fine. But if it had gone south, I

1925
01:46:12,560 --> 01:46:15,439
Speaker 1: also knew she would never say to me, I told

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01:46:15,520 --> 01:46:18,519
Speaker 1: you so, but that that you know, I already wouldn't

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01:46:18,520 --> 01:46:22,400
Speaker 1: know that fact. He wants to be told I messed up,

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Speaker 1: and you told me before, and now you're gonna remind

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Speaker 1: me again. That takes the airport's story. Oh we have

1930
01:46:30,160 --> 01:46:36,160
Speaker 1: so many stories the flight right right, And that was

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Speaker 1: my fault. I was. I knew it all, I had it.

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01:46:39,320 --> 01:46:43,160
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm a travelic hour And I said we'll

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Speaker 1: get that fine enough time. We don't need to leave early.

1934
01:46:45,720 --> 01:46:48,080
Speaker 1: She keeps saying we need to leave. I got it,

1935
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Speaker 1: and we get caught in traffic. We missed the flight,

1936
01:46:51,439 --> 01:46:55,200
Speaker 1: and we're standing there and he's using all his persuasive

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Speaker 1: powers to get on the flight. Doors are closed and

1938
01:47:00,160 --> 01:47:04,599
Speaker 1: getting ready to pull back from the gate. Right. I say,

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01:47:05,000 --> 01:47:08,920
Speaker 1: not a word as you say. And we eventually got

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Speaker 1: a connecting flight to get us to the place where

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Speaker 1: I had to speak the next morning. But at midnight

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Speaker 1: we got in where we could have been in at

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Speaker 1: six six pm. I love, but she's a reminder. Though

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01:47:24,760 --> 01:47:28,680
Speaker 1: she's a reminder, though you know what I'm saying. I'm

1945
01:47:28,720 --> 01:47:31,679
Speaker 1: not saying anything. I was already thinking I would beat

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01:47:31,760 --> 01:47:36,400
Speaker 1: myself out, but I love learned from that she had

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Speaker 1: my back even when I messed up. I want want this.

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01:47:39,920 --> 01:47:43,160
Speaker 1: I want to say to two spouses that you can

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Speaker 1: have each other's back even when you mess up, because

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Speaker 1: they know they messed up. I want to ask you

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Speaker 1: this question because you know, because it's the point, and

1952
01:47:52,479 --> 01:47:55,400
Speaker 1: because my wife will go to church. I'm not the

1953
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Speaker 1: church corps and one of the one of the you know,

1954
01:47:57,960 --> 01:48:01,200
Speaker 1: recommendations of the ten points is make God an equal

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Speaker 1: part of your marriage. I'm not saying it was not

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Speaker 1: an equal part. And I want I want help with this,

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Speaker 1: and I wanted to help the UH, my viewers and

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Speaker 1: my listeners when you talk about God, because you talk

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Speaker 1: about certain points that you prayed and your decisions were

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Speaker 1: brought through prayer, and I want help us through that

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Speaker 1: whole process. When you say something like that, this is

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Speaker 1: this is a principle. Now, look what we talked about

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Speaker 1: in this book at ten principles. Now we wrote our

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01:48:29,280 --> 01:48:32,719
Speaker 1: ten principles. But then after I thought the book was finished,

1965
01:48:33,040 --> 01:48:36,040
Speaker 1: we went an interview people made from married forty fifty

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Speaker 1: six seventy years and one of the things they all

1967
01:48:38,880 --> 01:48:41,320
Speaker 1: said was make God an equal part of your marriage.

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Speaker 1: They said that the marriage is like a triangle. It

1969
01:48:44,680 --> 01:48:48,720
Speaker 1: has three corners. This is me, this is the and

1970
01:48:48,800 --> 01:48:51,599
Speaker 1: this is God up the top. Now this is thirty

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Speaker 1: three percent. This is thirty three percent, but that's only

1972
01:48:55,800 --> 01:48:59,120
Speaker 1: what's left is thirty four per and that's God. And

1973
01:48:59,280 --> 01:49:04,519
Speaker 1: so he has the majority ownership of the marriage. And

1974
01:49:04,680 --> 01:49:08,519
Speaker 1: so he gives us these principles that work if we

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01:49:08,600 --> 01:49:14,720
Speaker 1: were use them. Now, so we practice the concepts that

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01:49:15,040 --> 01:49:18,880
Speaker 1: come from the from the Bible. Then the principles on marriage.

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Speaker 1: Now here the principal principles work their bed rock. They

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01:49:22,640 --> 01:49:24,439
Speaker 1: work over and over again. I throw this rock up,

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01:49:25,400 --> 01:49:27,599
Speaker 1: throw this rock up every time. He's going to come

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Speaker 1: down every time, not doing a hundred times, a million times,

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Speaker 1: ten million times, because of a principle called gravity. These

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Speaker 1: principles work, They work over time, over time, and over

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Speaker 1: time because they are bedrock principles. Take romance. Romance is Slomon,

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Speaker 1: that's right, the song of Solomon. So there are lots

1985
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Speaker 1: of principles, and the Bible says the bed should not

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Speaker 1: be undefiled, that that you gotta a brother, gotta get

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Speaker 1: hooked up. That's what it means. That's right. The difference

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Speaker 1: between sex and their must intimacy. Okay, women need intimacy

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Speaker 1: and security. Man needs sex and respect. And they are

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Speaker 1: principles that are going to be all the time because

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Speaker 1: even the scientific study show that men think about sex

1992
01:50:16,640 --> 01:50:20,479
Speaker 1: seventeen times a day on average, and sometimes before breakfast.

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Speaker 1: So we know that that is the case. So what

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Speaker 1: we say to married couples is understand that these principles

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Speaker 1: are bedrock. They work in the words, so we trust

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Speaker 1: God through our marriage and we run it through that prison.

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Speaker 1: Everything through that about these raising kids how to be

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Speaker 1: sweet to each other, And I say, how to me

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Speaker 1: those words, how to be sweet to each other? But

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Speaker 1: all that romantic stuff like that. I love you. I

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Speaker 1: want to thank y'all, man, Please thank you for First

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