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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox

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Speaker 1: Sports Radio. What up? What's you? Doug Gottlieb, Rob Parker

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Speaker 1: in for Dan and the Dan F. Dan Patrick Show

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Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio. Kind of a good all right, we're

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Speaker 1: getting close telling the water football season sort of weekend

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Speaker 1: we had over the last four days. We have every

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Speaker 1: team in the nash Football League put on helmets, put

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Speaker 1: on shoulder pats. Haven't seen every player right. A lot

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Speaker 1: to get to though, and so while we saw some

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Speaker 1: of the ones, we didn't see all the ones. We

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Speaker 1: did see the rookie quarterbacks. And that's where we'll begin.

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Speaker 1: Rob will have Warren Sharppool who will join us part

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Speaker 1: of Sharp Football. We get his thoughts on these rookie quarterbacks,

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Speaker 1: but like, look, this is a it's like a yearly thing.

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Speaker 1: We get super super hype over watching these guys play

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Speaker 1: against very limited in terms of schematics defenses. Was there

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Speaker 1: a guy, and there's plenty of young quarterbacks from you know,

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Speaker 1: from a Mac Jones to a Trevor Lawrence and to

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Speaker 1: a Trey Lance to adjustin fields, was there one that

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Speaker 1: jumped out at you? Let me, let me let's start

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Speaker 1: here real quick and we're talking about a young quarterback,

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Speaker 1: Jordan Love who got hurt, nothing serious, but right, he's

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Speaker 1: gonna miss some work probably this week. Doug Um is,

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Speaker 1: if he were ready, if they really believed like he

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Speaker 1: was ready, and I guess he had kind of what

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Speaker 1: one one really good drive and five or six not

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Speaker 1: that guy, do you think Aaron Rodgers would still be there? Yes, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm just I'm I'm asking well, No, I mean, like,

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Speaker 1: look listen that when when he was taken, it was

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Speaker 1: at the you know, it was at basically the perfect time, right,

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Speaker 1: He's a developed mental quarterback. Remember he only started two

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Speaker 1: years in college UTAs State. His first year is very good.

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Speaker 1: Second year they had a coaching change. They weren't very good,

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Speaker 1: and he wasn't very good either. It was more about

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Speaker 1: talent potential upside. And if people remember back the days

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Speaker 1: leading up to the draft, he was a guy that

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Speaker 1: people are like, you know, this guy could go in

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Speaker 1: And so I don't know if he fell, but he

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Speaker 1: was gonna go late first and that's why the Green

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Speaker 1: was like, hey, he's two or three years away from

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Speaker 1: being ready. That would be on track with when they

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Speaker 1: can get out of the Aaron Rodgers deal. And if

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Speaker 1: we go back, it's Aaron Rodgers coming off of a

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Speaker 1: bit of a disappointing season two years ago. But Aaron

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Speaker 1: Rodgers balled out last year and was the MVP of

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Speaker 1: the league. They're not getting rid of. You're not getting

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Speaker 1: rid of the MVP of the league. No, I get it.

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Speaker 1: I'm just curious as to you know where he was.

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Speaker 1: Did you get to watch most of him? Jordan Love? No? No,

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Speaker 1: I'm like all my information on Jordan Love just comes

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Speaker 1: from tucking NFL guys like nobody watching me in Utah State.

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Speaker 1: Like I love the Aggies, I like the Mountain Weston,

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Speaker 1: let me break down this this prospect. No, I can't.

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Speaker 1: I can't say that they did. So who impressed you

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Speaker 1: think do you think Fields should be the starter? From

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Speaker 1: day one? You already know what Andy Dalton is he's

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Speaker 1: not gonna get you there? Should you? Just? You know,

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Speaker 1: buck uh, go with the trend of of today's NFL,

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Speaker 1: which is put the guy in. Just just play the guy.

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Speaker 1: He's only gonna learn how to play by playing. Where

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Speaker 1: doesn't seem to be like that's the model. So why

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Speaker 1: not if you think he's that guy, just play him

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Speaker 1: and make Andy Dalton the backup? Um. I think he can't,

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Speaker 1: But I think there just has to be a level

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Speaker 1: enough knowledge where you're not gonna over you can you

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Speaker 1: this entire same scenario. I don't know it was six

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Speaker 1: too early? And then all of a sudden, now he

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Speaker 1: develops bad habits? Right or he or a guy loses

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Speaker 1: his confidence, right like or Sam Donald. You have to

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Speaker 1: he did couch you with like, hey, look the defense

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Speaker 1: back three six months, I go. Even the Bears guys

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Speaker 1: on letting Dalton play. But the guy's got freaks. There's

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Speaker 1: a reason he was the number one recruit. There's a reason.

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Speaker 1: And I knew, I know that you're throwing the open

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Speaker 1: The Bears. The Bears. The problem with the Bears is

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Speaker 1: they've they've actually been pretty good. Like the example is,

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Speaker 1: had similar success in the playoffs Indianapolis Colts. Yet people

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Speaker 1: definitely would have felt that. Okay. So, so, like the

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Speaker 1: problem with Trubisky was like everybody lacked Confidencely're like, oh boy,

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Speaker 1: this stuff and he's fine, and he's won, he's been

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Speaker 1: the playoffs and whatever. But this guy gives you a jolt.

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Speaker 1: And if you can use that jolt to trigger that defense,

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Speaker 1: which is the real strength of this team, Like, I

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Speaker 1: actually think there's something there. It's not crazy to think

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Speaker 1: if they get more than competent quarterback play and occasionally

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Speaker 1: he can make a play just upon his his raw talent,

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Speaker 1: in this particular instance, I'm leaning more towards justin fields

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Speaker 1: he's taken a gigantic leap now that they're they're in

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Speaker 1: I mean in that that that it's not like what

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Speaker 1: you really want to waste snaps on Andy Dalton when

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Speaker 1: you know who he is as well? And the upside

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Speaker 1: is that defense going? I'm not saying it's over next

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Speaker 1: you know, this season, but how long are you gonna

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Speaker 1: wait on it? You know what I mean? If you

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Speaker 1: have a quarterback, would you believe in why not just

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Speaker 1: put him in, let him learn and go and go

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Speaker 1: But he was he was older's twenty four, much older

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, no, no, that team was not about

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Speaker 1: the quarterback. No, and again. And please don't think I'm

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Speaker 1: telling you that he that Justin Fields is Russell Wilson. Not.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying that Russell Wilson is Tom Brady. But

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Speaker 1: the Tom Brady era, when they went to the Super Bowl,

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Speaker 1: it was not about Tom Brady, not even close to

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Speaker 1: being about thank you hello? Is this microphone on? Hello?

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Speaker 1: Thank you Doug? Because most people believe it was about

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady, And it wasn't about Tom Brady. It was

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Speaker 1: about the defense and Adam Venatari the best kicker in

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Speaker 1: NFL history, and that's how they used to win games. No, No,

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Speaker 1: his first, his first super Bowl, he absolutely just managed.

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Speaker 1: He managed the game. He had one huge drive in

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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. How many touchdowns did he throwing the

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Speaker 1: throwing that one? Did they win the game? No? I'm

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Speaker 1: asking I thought, Robin, if Robert you're you're you're you're

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Speaker 1: it sucks? But we can do that. You can be

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Speaker 1: the guy on the island. I'm I'm trying to say

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Speaker 1: we can do it again. We are. I just I

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Speaker 1: have nine other super Bowls to point out that that

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Speaker 1: the guy is affects winning more so than any quarterback

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Speaker 1: we've ever had. Does that Does that mean he has

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Speaker 1: the best skill set of any quarterback? Like? No, but

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Speaker 1: you can be that guy if you would like. But

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Speaker 1: the flip side on the Patriots defense and what they

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Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying. And even this past year when

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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, And yet the story was all about

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady. Patrick Mahomes is supposed to be the next

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Speaker 1: coming of as as Chris Bussari would always say, he's

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Speaker 1: Jordan esque. That was his take on Patrick Mahomes and

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Speaker 1: all I'm saying, Doug, Well, I mean it was a

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Speaker 1: lot like he didn't have they had, they're missing four

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Speaker 1: a that's a pro tip. Rob Parker Pro Tips Parker

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Speaker 1: pro pro tips at Rob Parker dot com. If you

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Speaker 1: want to, if you if, if you want more, we

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Speaker 1: gotta we got a bunch of things to get to.

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Speaker 1: We can do a little Lakers discussion, which we ended

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Speaker 1: last hour on I do I generally do are like

431
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Speaker 1: you're the risk of a bunch of old dudes, you know,

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Speaker 1: in key positions, especially when we're coming off a year

433
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Speaker 1: where seemingly everybody got hurt. The young guys got hurt,

434
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Speaker 1: dog right, younger guys and the young guys got hurt. Right,

435
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Speaker 1: So if young guys got hurt, you know the ideas

436
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Speaker 1: and when you have a full season coming up, which

437
00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:22,360
Speaker 1: we do think we'll have a full season this year

438
00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:26,399
Speaker 1: in the NBA, the likelihood is that old guys are

439
00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:28,359
Speaker 1: going to get hurt. And you have a couple of

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Speaker 1: old guys with the Lakers that got hurt just last year.

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Speaker 1: That said, you know, like, look, it's it's not any

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Speaker 1: different than anything we do in football. If you don't

443
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Speaker 1: like the Lakers, who do you like in the West, Like, oh,

444
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Speaker 1: I don't like the Lakers roster, Like, look, I think

445
00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:44,679
Speaker 1: there's some flaws to it. I think they went from

446
00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:48,000
Speaker 1: the best defensive team two years ago to an offensive juggernaut.

447
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:51,000
Speaker 1: I think they struggle guards. I think I think they'll

448
00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:55,040
Speaker 1: struggle to guards. Some people that said, like, if you

449
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,399
Speaker 1: don't like the Lakers, who do you like? Right? But

450
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Speaker 1: but but this is I didn't pick the Lakers last year.

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Speaker 1: Doug I was on an Island. You know, I'm that

452
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Speaker 1: guy because I didn't think Lebron or a D was

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Speaker 1: going to be able to stay healthy. So I picked

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Speaker 1: the Suns in that series, and obviously a D got

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Speaker 1: hurt and that they advanced, and the Suns made it

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Speaker 1: all the way to the NBA Finals. Because a D

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00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:24,240
Speaker 1: got hurt, there was no Jamal Murray, Kawhi Leonard didn't

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Speaker 1: play at all. They were the luckiest team, and they

459
00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,160
Speaker 1: were luckiest team of all times. They were lucky. Their

460
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:33,480
Speaker 1: whole playoff championship run was Forugh Gazzy, and I thought

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Speaker 1: that they were actually gonna win a title because going

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Speaker 1: into the finals, Doug, did we know for sure Jannis

463
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Speaker 1: was gonna play After watching that injury, now we had.

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Speaker 1: I had no idea. And then when he played Game

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Speaker 1: one and looked great in Game two or whatever it was,

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Speaker 1: I was like, okay. And then when they were down,

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Speaker 1: when the Suns drew up too all, I picked him

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Speaker 1: not to win another game after I saw Jannis and

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Speaker 1: that he was healthy and playing great, and I didn't

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Speaker 1: buy into the Suns. But my point is, and I

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Speaker 1: hear what you're saying, but the problem with me saying,

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Speaker 1: I'm not picking the Lakers is that there are other

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Speaker 1: teams that could be healthy, play better and not have

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Speaker 1: to rely on Lebron in year nineteen with the potential

475
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Speaker 1: of getting hurt. He's been hurt two of the three

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Speaker 1: years in LA. The year he wasn't hurt was when

477
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Speaker 1: the pandemic Captain happened and they have four months off.

478
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Speaker 1: Anthony Davis gets hurt almost every year, Doug and the

479
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Speaker 1: year he wasn't hurt was the year they have four

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Speaker 1: months off because of the pandemic and they won the championship.

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Speaker 1: In the Bubble Carmelo Anthony's thirty seven, I could just

482
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Speaker 1: Dwight Howard's thirty five. I can go on and on

483
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Speaker 1: and on. Too many things have to go right for

484
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Speaker 1: the Lakers. That's why I will you stidn't answer my question. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. As Kawhi Leonard coming back at the

486
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Speaker 1: end of the year, I'll take the Clippers love. I

487
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Speaker 1: love the Clippers, they just like I like the Clippers

488
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 1: as well. But again, you're sitting there telling me that

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Speaker 1: I have questions about the Lakers and their health, when

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Speaker 1: the primary reason everybody would like the Clippers would be

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Speaker 1: Kawhi Leonard and he's coming off of partially torn acl

492
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Speaker 1: we don't know if he's gonna play. And Kawhi Leonard's

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Speaker 1: a guy who has been shut down, you know, more

494
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Speaker 1: often than uh. Also, I also saw that team get

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Speaker 1: to the Western Conference Finals for the first time without

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Speaker 1: Kawhi Leonard, and I saw them beat the number one

497
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Speaker 1: seeded Utah Jazz after they were down in that series

498
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Speaker 1: O two. They won that series. I saw them fight.

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Speaker 1: So listen again, So you're saying, I'm gonna pick pick

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Speaker 1: the Clippers, I'm gonna pick the Clippers out of okay,

501
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,880
Speaker 1: But again, that doesn't it doesn't. Actually you're you're you're,

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Speaker 1: by my estimation, contradicting your argument, which your argument is

503
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Speaker 1: a good one about about the about the Lakers, which

504
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 1: is like, look, Lebron, you're you don't get less hurt

505
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Speaker 1: the older you get. Anthony Davis is only twenty eight,

506
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Speaker 1: but he doesn't have the body of a twenty eight

507
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Speaker 1: year old because he hadn't taken care of it. Right. Um,

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Speaker 1: So there's nothing about that argument. The problem is that

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Speaker 1: picking the Clippers, who just got past the second round

510
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Speaker 1: for the first time and we don't even know if

511
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Speaker 1: Kawhi is going to play, and they're not going to

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Speaker 1: the Western Conference Finals or the NBA Finals. They don't

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Speaker 1: have a healthy Kawhi Leonard. Again, it's like, look, I

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Speaker 1: like Golden State. I think Golden State has a chance

515
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Speaker 1: to be But but again, you're depending upon Steph Curry

516
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Speaker 1: who's hurt almost every year, Draymond Green, who seems on

517
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Speaker 1: the other side of the mountain in his career, and

518
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:29,239
Speaker 1: Clay Thompson who's coming off an acl and achilles tendon. Right,

519
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,399
Speaker 1: those are the guys. So like, you can tell me,

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Speaker 1: you can tell me that you don't love the Lakers

521
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,199
Speaker 1: because of age, and I would say, like, all right,

522
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 1: we can make the same argument about the Warriors. You know,

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Speaker 1: I do I like the Nuggets, Yes do. I think

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Speaker 1: with a healthy Jamal Murray they could be the most

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Speaker 1: They would be an incredibly dynamic offensive team. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if they're good enough. I don't know. You talk,

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Speaker 1: we'll do it. I don't know if Phoenix looks like right,

528
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 1: so you have all it coming running it back. The

529
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 1: Lakers were up two games one. That series was a

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Speaker 1: rap until they got injuries last last year. So I

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Speaker 1: don't hate your argument against the Lakers. But this is

532
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 1: like any argument. If you're gonna make one, then you

533
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,360
Speaker 1: got If you're gonna take them out and say they're

534
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 1: not the favorite, I wouldn't pick them. Then you gotta

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Speaker 1: pick a team. And by picking the Clippers, it kind

536
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 1: of contradicts your argument. No it doesn't, because that team

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00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,119
Speaker 1: without Kawhi Leonard I just made. My point is that

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Speaker 1: they were good enough to overcome deficits and get to

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00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 1: the Western Conference Finals without him. I like the Clippers,

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00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,919
Speaker 1: and I'm not obviously, are they gonna win without Kawhi

541
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Speaker 1: Leonard win a championship? No, that that, but that doesn't

542
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 1: mean they can't get to the Western Conference Finals. Again,

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00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:37,200
Speaker 1: if Lebron or the Clippers on, or Lebron or a

544
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 1: d or somebody's not healthy, could they get by. We

545
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,919
Speaker 1: just saw Phoenix do it. We just saw Phoenix get

546
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 1: all the way to the finals because people were hurt.

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Speaker 1: If the Lakers have one piece dog not right on

548
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,879
Speaker 1: that team, they're not getting there. So I can still

549
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 1: pick the Clippers. And that's my argument, and my point

550
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Speaker 1: is that the Lakers will not be whole. This is

551
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:03,680
Speaker 1: a desperation move. It's a typical when Lebron gets there,

552
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,879
Speaker 1: throw out the baby with the bathwater, because what was

553
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,919
Speaker 1: a better move? What do you mean? What was a

554
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 1: better mo? Again? Like we have to deal with no no, no, no,

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00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 1: no no. Listen, you're you're not. I don't know if

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00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,200
Speaker 1: it's a desperation move, Okay, I think that's that's that's

557
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:19,920
Speaker 1: far too strong a term. Do they want they want

558
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 1: to win? Right? I don't know if that desperation they

559
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 1: want to win and they know Lebron has has like

560
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 1: a year or two left it. Oh wait, wait wait,

561
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,199
Speaker 1: but that's a different Okay. So if you don't like

562
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 1: the moves, if I were to put you in Rob

563
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 1: Pelinka's chair, knowing that you have Lebron, you have Anthony Davis,

564
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Speaker 1: you have you had one more big contract, okay, and

565
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 1: you used it on Russell Ruddy Heel, I would take

566
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Speaker 1: Buddy Heel. He's not sexy Doug, he's not a Big three.

567
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 1: Nobody knows who he is or was America. I'm just

568
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 1: talking about not like Russell Westbrook, who's a walking who's

569
00:28:55,880 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 1: who's iconic because of his uh triple doubles and that

570
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 1: sounds better. And he's from La and he's a hard

571
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 1: he plays hard every night. But I'm not so sure

572
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 1: without having any three of those guys be exceptional shooters,

573
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Speaker 1: that it's going to work. And this man's NBA and

574
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 1: that's the problem I have with it, and Russell will okay,

575
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 1: so the fine, it's a great player, Okay, So here

576
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 1: here would be the counter to that? And I've I've

577
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 1: asked Laker people, and the counter to that is, like

578
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 1: nobody does dislikes Buddy Hill is a great dude, a

579
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 1: great shooter, but they needed another guy to create shots.

580
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 1: They just Lebron at this stage in his career is

581
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 1: not nearly the shot creator he used to be. They

582
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 1: needed a guy who could create shots. That's what Russell

583
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 1: Westbrook does. Additionally, it stands the reason they're not going

584
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Speaker 1: to play all eighty two games. And I love Buddy Healed,

585
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 1: but if Leron ain't playing, Buddy Healed ain't winning games

586
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 1: Russell Westbrook is. So do I think that at the

587
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 1: end of a playoff series his lack of shooting is

588
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 1: gonna hurt you? I do? Do I think that Russell

589
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 1: Westbrook isn't nearly the defensive player that people make him

590
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 1: out to be, not just because of his age, and

591
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 1: four knee surgeries, but like people don't pay attention that

592
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 1: Russell Westbrook doesn't actually play defense every time. It's totally fair.

593
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 1: But yet everyone like there's no perfect guy out there,

594
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 1: and you can all love Buddy Healed and his ability

595
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 1: to space and shoot the basketball. They have plenty of

596
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 1: shooting on the club, and they just thought he's a

597
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 1: better shot creator as well as like he's crazy competitive,

598
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 1: which fits with Lebron and his desire to win. So

599
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 1: that's okay, So you would have taken Buddy and set him.

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Speaker 1: It's a it's a fair argument because the rest of

601
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 1: those guys, like, what else do you think you're gonna

602
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 1: get on the market when you know, you know, it's

603
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 1: like I wanted them to keep Crusoe. But if you

604
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 1: keep Crusoe now a sudden, you give him the entire

605
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 1: mid level exception. You can't have all the depth of

606
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 1: different guys that they've gotten, and they do have a

607
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: pretty deep team of solid dudes. Yeah, I mean, I

608
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 1: hear your point. It just doesn't feel like it's the

609
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 1: right mix. And you could be right. You could say

610
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 1: you're picking the Lakers to come out of the West,

611
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 1: and you might be right. I don't feel like that. Uh.

612
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 1: The issue with that team is and I'm completely staying healthy.

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00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 1: And I just we just saw like how many twenty

614
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 1: eight year olds and thirty year olds who have gone

615
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 1: down the injuries. It's unbelievable. They barely bumped Kawhi Leonard

616
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 1: as he's dribbing the ball up court and boom, uh

617
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 1: you know, uh, Kyrie another injury and and and hardened

618
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 1: forty five seconds game and you know, into sheries against Milwaukee.

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Speaker 1: I just I just keep looking around. I just couldn't

620
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 1: get over how many people were hurt. And the Lakers

621
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 1: time isn't on their side, as the Rolling Stones would say.

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00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 1: I think that they've set themselves up so that it'll

623
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Speaker 1: be an excuse at the end of the year, will be, oh, well,

624
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 1: you know we would have been good, but Lebron got hurt,

625
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 1: or you know, we were gonna win the champ we

626
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 1: were gonna win rolled to the West Conference and the finals,

627
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 1: because that's what everybody. You said it earlier when they

628
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 1: were up two to one against the Sons, everybody said, oh,

629
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 1: there's a clear path, They're going back to the finals.

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00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 1: That's what everybody said. Well, then the Lakers themselves were

631
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: laughing at the Suns, right remember remember there there back

632
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 1: I think Lebron was backing down somebody from the Suns.

633
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 1: It was a joke, and Andre Drummond was laughing over

634
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 1: there because he knew it was a mismatch. No, they

635
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 1: that was the matchup they wanted. They were better than

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Speaker 1: the Suns when they were healthy. The problem was they

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Speaker 1: weren't healthy and those chance that they're not gonna be

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Speaker 1: healthy again, that's no question. The counter to that would

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Speaker 1: would be that, you know, age does not seem to

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Speaker 1: be a limiting factor because so many other guys in

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Speaker 1: the in the prime age of their career did get hurt.

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Speaker 1: I agree with you on the age thing. It's obviously

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Speaker 1: a huge risk. I think the defense, the lack of defense,

644
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Speaker 1: is also a huge huge risk. My problem is finding

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Speaker 1: another team that I like better than the Lakers roster

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Speaker 1: I would say there are two viral videos from the

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Speaker 1: weekend which have nothing to do with rookie quarterbacks in

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Speaker 1: the NFL ROB two. The two viral videos everybody's talking about.

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Speaker 1: Have you seen did we send him the Rams fight? Yet?

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Speaker 1: We do we send him that one? Okay? Where it's

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Speaker 1: it's always the cup thrower. There was a lady looked

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Speaker 1: like she was wearing a circus tent for a shirt

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Speaker 1: who hurled in a pepsi which started a melee, which

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Speaker 1: which triggered a melee in the in Sofi stadium. Right,

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Speaker 1: there was that one, and then there was the Tim

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Speaker 1: Tebow tries to block video, which have you seen that one? Rob, Yes,

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Speaker 1: because I'm still waiting for the block. Well. Even worse

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Speaker 1: yet was the very next play they lined up and

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Speaker 1: he again tried to block, and it was it was,

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Speaker 1: it was bad. Look here's what I was Here's what

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Speaker 1: I was told about the Tebow thing. Yeah, please please

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Speaker 1: help me with this. I do. I do want. I

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Speaker 1: can explain what I mean. It's it's pretty easy explanation

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Speaker 1: why he's there and everything. But I think what happens

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Speaker 1: is we're all under this impression that Jacksonville is trying

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Speaker 1: to sell tickets and he's gonna make the team. I

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Speaker 1: was I was told that, like, look they put him on.

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Speaker 1: They put Tim Tebow on some season tickets. Like you

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Speaker 1: know when when they have the packets of actual physical tickets, right,

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00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 1: they have like a player on tickets, and they had

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Speaker 1: like Tim Tebow, and they were using Tim Tebow in

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Speaker 1: their ad campaign and Ermeyro got winned of it. He

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Speaker 1: was like, you, what are you doing? You gotta you

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Speaker 1: gotta stop. He's not making he's not making the team.

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Speaker 1: I think everybody knew he's not making the team, but

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Speaker 1: it is it is interesting on how god he's become

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Speaker 1: the butt of like every joke considering how badly he

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Speaker 1: whipped on a couple of those blocks. Yes, and it's

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Speaker 1: just I don't get Urban Meyer. I really really don't dog.

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Speaker 1: I don't know him. He worked at you know, Fox,

699
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Speaker 1: and I saw him in once in a while. Seems

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Speaker 1: like a nice man. Has had a great corre career

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Speaker 1: as a college coach, but his missteps in Jacksonville to start,

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Speaker 1: I just don't get it. I'm really I'm just surprised

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Speaker 1: by it. A you know, what was the strength and

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Speaker 1: conditioning coach who had the racial issue? Where was that

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Speaker 1: at Iowa? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I mean like, look, I

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Speaker 1: think it's I mean, like, yeah, I think it's I

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Speaker 1: think that was it. That was a mistake. I will

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Speaker 1: point out that most dudes, I mean, there's plenty of

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Speaker 1: black players have come through Iowa that swear by the

710
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Speaker 1: gay like Iowa's strength program was was revered, was absolutely

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Speaker 1: revered and but that's being it's being it. Look, it's

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Speaker 1: it's being tone deaf to the times and the way

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Speaker 1: in which he was handled. Just that it was. It

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Speaker 1: wasn't right, but like, look, that's that's really my thing

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Speaker 1: is like just the way the way it was handled.

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Speaker 1: He swore by the guy talked about them being at Utah.

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00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 1: They weren't even at Utah together. But but like he

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Speaker 1: stood up for this and then quickly when he got

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Speaker 1: the pushback from players, you know what I mean, realize

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Speaker 1: this isn't a fight worth it. Okay, So so that

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Speaker 1: was bad. Then you bring Tebow in and you're asking

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Speaker 1: a thirty four year old guy who hadn't been in

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Speaker 1: the league for ten years, who's never played that position.

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Speaker 1: You can hurt yourself as a coach if players feel

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Speaker 1: and Doug, you know this. You've played team sports. Players

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Speaker 1: know who belongs on the belong on the team. Listen, listen,

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Speaker 1: there's there's no there's there's no question okay that you

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Speaker 1: can't fool players, right, you can. You cannot fool players

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Speaker 1: not playing, and you can lose it, and you can

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Speaker 1: lose the locker room. The other part too, it is

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Speaker 1: let's just let's be realistic here though, players also value, okay,

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Speaker 1: value guys that are loyal. And if the argument is, like,

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Speaker 1: hey man, the guy the only guy's gonna give him

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Speaker 1: at is his college coach, Okay, and it's in the

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Speaker 1: one area where he's super popular, and you give him

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Speaker 1: a shot and you fail, and you and you let

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Speaker 1: him go, and you're not You're not the worst for it, okay,

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Speaker 1: Because that's that is how it works in the league.

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Speaker 1: Is when guys are trying to stay in the league

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Speaker 1: or get back in the league, it's always for a

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Speaker 1: position coach or a head coach who they had success with, right,

742
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Speaker 1: and they throw him a lifeline and they give him

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Speaker 1: one last opportunity. Like every everyone, you go, you go

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00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 1: and trace these older players and older I just told

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00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 1: you about Chase Daniel, Right, Chase Daniel is only in

746
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:32,799
Speaker 1: LA with the Chargers not because he can play, but

747
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Speaker 1: because he has a relationship, a knowledge of the offense

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Speaker 1: and a relationship with the offensive coordinator from their time

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Speaker 1: together in New Orleans. That's the way the back end

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Speaker 1: of the league actually works, right, So all that makes sense,

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00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 1: it does. At some point, though, you gotta he can't play,

752
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 1: you gotta move on. I understand the opportunity, but you

753
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 1: know now that you play real football and the tape

754
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 1: is out there, even if it's preseason tape, it's so bad.

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Speaker 1: It was it was like it was it was like

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Speaker 1: it was like I was, I was at I was

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00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 1: at Chargers of Rams camp. Well, I've been to both

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00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 1: a couple of times. And one and after Tibo had

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Speaker 1: that touchdown catch in the end zone right where people

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00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 1: went crazy about if you actually watched it, like he

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00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 1: caught it with his forearms, right, it wasn't a natural

762
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 1: smooth catch, and so what the world was reacting to.

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00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,359
Speaker 1: Most people in football are like, yeah, that was bad.

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Speaker 1: Actually right, it looked terrible. But but I don't think

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Speaker 1: there's anything sinister at play here. I just think it's

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Speaker 1: somebody's old coach giving him an opportunity in the place

767
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Speaker 1: where he's super popular, and you give him a shot.

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Speaker 1: It's not good enough, and you cut him that. That's it.

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Speaker 1: You carried ninety, you gotta cut the fifty three and

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Speaker 1: you cut him. All right, Let's let's welcome in Matt

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Speaker 1: Hayes who joins us. Uh. You can see his work

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Speaker 1: on Stadium, which which is at twenty four or seven.

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Speaker 1: It's available digitally or you can hear him on ten

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Speaker 1: ten Excel in Jacksonville. Matt, I do obviously want to

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Speaker 1: get to Trevor Lawrence and the guys are going to

776
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Speaker 1: play on Sundays for the Jags. But how much longer

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Speaker 1: are we gonna go with the tebow thing? You know what,

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00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 1: urban Meyer values winning over everything or any player he

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Speaker 1: loved or any player he coached. He values winning. He's

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Speaker 1: a coach at the end of the day. He's not

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Speaker 1: going to keep a guy if he can't help him

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Speaker 1: win the end, at the end of the story, he

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Speaker 1: will not keep him if he can't up winning. Based

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Speaker 1: on you know, Saturday's game, it doesn't look good. What

785
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Speaker 1: what was it? What's the fan base like the tebow?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I get it. There was a time Jacksonville

787
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 1: had a chance to get him as a quarterback when

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00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,799
Speaker 1: he needed to sell tickets. They passed on him. I

789
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Speaker 1: mean everybody, and and so a thirty four year old

790
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 1: guy trying to change positions against these younger, stronger guys,

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Speaker 1: he's had to put up a go up against what

792
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Speaker 1: was it? Was it tebow mania down there or it

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00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 1: was it tempered? What was it? Well? I mean, I

794
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 1: think they love the guy here. There's no doubt about that.

795
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Speaker 1: He's he's not only a hero sports hero, but he's

796
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:00,120
Speaker 1: a hero off the field as well. So they love

797
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 1: to see him make the team. But again, this goes

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Speaker 1: back to football. This isn't about he's a great guy.

799
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Speaker 1: This isn't about he's a lightning ride off the field,

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00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:09,359
Speaker 1: whatever you want to talk about. This is about can

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00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 1: you play, can you help a team win games? And

802
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 1: if he can't, he's going to get cut. It's as

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00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: simple as that. And I know it's it's really easy

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Speaker 1: to have, you know, the back and forth, and it

805
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 1: makes everybody happy and everybody screams. But look, at the

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00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 1: end of the day, it's about winning games. Urban Meyers

807
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Speaker 1: spoiled to one thing, winning games, and that's it. Uh okay,

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Speaker 1: let let's get to Trevor Lawrence. How do you look?

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00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 1: Thought he looked really good. I mean that that one throw,

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Speaker 1: that one deep throw, the deep thing that he threw

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Speaker 1: when Marvin Jones Junior, you know, before Marvin Jones Junior

812
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Speaker 1: turnaround was right on him. I mean, that's an NFL

813
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 1: throw that a lot of quarterbacks in that league can't made.

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Speaker 1: So he's I think he's he's learning. He's got a

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Speaker 1: long way to go, there's no doubt about it. But

816
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Speaker 1: you could see the talent, you can see his ability.

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Speaker 1: I think the bigger issue is the offensive line in

818
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 1: front of him. I mean, if they can't protect him,

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00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:58,919
Speaker 1: it's going to be a very long season or even

820
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Speaker 1: a short season. Haven't preverted begets injured? What all the expectations?

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Speaker 1: I know, when you get a new coach and a

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00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 1: legendary college coach and his you know, jump into the NFL,

823
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 1: everybody's uh, expecting things? What what? What? What do you

824
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 1: expect from this team in seventeen games? I mean it's

825
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 1: a one or fifteen team. If you're talking about what

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Speaker 1: are the fans here in Jacksons will expect? I mean

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Speaker 1: a lot of them are thinking playoffs, which is I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's laughable. It's a one in fifteen team and it's

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Speaker 1: going to take a year one in sixteen this year, right,

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Speaker 1: well right, I don't think they'll be that bad. I

831
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Speaker 1: don't think they'll be one in sixteen. But but the

832
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 1: reality is they're they're a bad team last year and

833
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 1: they've got better players now, they've got a better staff now, Um,

834
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:44,760
Speaker 1: but it still comes down to you can you blocking,

835
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Speaker 1: can you get after the other guy's quarterback? And I

836
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:48,919
Speaker 1: think those are the two huge issues for them right now.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that they can pressure the other team's

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Speaker 1: quarterback expect the passing game. And I don't know that

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Speaker 1: they can protect their own quarterback. And in this game

840
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 1: a football and booth levels college football in the NFL,

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00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 1: where it's now a broth of passing game, you can't

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00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 1: protect your quarterback. You're a deep, deep trouble. Um, Yes,

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00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:08,839
Speaker 1: I would say, I mean and you Matt Hayes joining

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Speaker 1: US ten ten XL and Jacksonville course. Also see his

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Speaker 1: work on on Stadium, the Digital Network. Doug gotlie Brob

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Speaker 1: Parker in for Dan Dan. That's Dan Patrick show Fox

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Speaker 1: Sports TRADEO. Look, all of that is fair, guys, But Matt,

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Speaker 1: you tell me if I'm wrong. I don't think it's

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Speaker 1: as much people saying they're going to be awesome. It's like, look,

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Speaker 1: Houston's a dumpster fire. Uh, Indie has no quarterback, right

851
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 1: and and as much as Tennessee's very good, they got

852
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Speaker 1: seventeen games, one more playoffs by like, look, we might

853
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Speaker 1: be able to sneak sneak in there, and and as

854
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Speaker 1: much as they were won in seventeen, they're actually pretty

855
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Speaker 1: competitive in spots last year even as a bad football

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Speaker 1: team upgraded the roster, and we've seen plenty of last

857
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Speaker 1: to first in the NFL. No, no, no, no, no no.

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Speaker 1: I'm saying, like, look, this is the this is the

859
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Speaker 1: this is the reasonable thoughts of an unreasonable fan base.

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Speaker 1: Like it's it's not as crazy as you think. But

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Speaker 1: but here the thing, let's start with this er myres

862
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Speaker 1: won everywhere he's been. This is a different animal. Okay,

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Speaker 1: you up, I'm getting I'm getting to it, rock, I'm

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Speaker 1: getting to it. Okay. But like lots of guys have

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Speaker 1: won everywhere they've been in college and come here, does

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Speaker 1: he know what he's doing at this level of football? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't think there's any question he knows. And to

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Speaker 1: be honest, he's been given a key. It's his decision.

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Speaker 1: Every decision they make is going to be run through him.

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Speaker 1: It's as simple as that. And look, he goes back

871
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Speaker 1: to the idea of it's football. Football is football. If

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Speaker 1: you get players, and you get the right player, he

873
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 1: put them in a position to be successful, you can

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Speaker 1: win games. Now, look, it's it's the hype here for him,

875
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Speaker 1: for Trevor Lawrence. You guys have to understand, this franchise

876
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Speaker 1: has been god awful for more for for more years

877
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Speaker 1: than they've been around, all right, So you look at

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00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: where they're at. This fan base is just passionate. They

879
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Speaker 1: want a winner. They're desperate for a winner. They're not

880
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Speaker 1: just crazy it's run around who think they're gonna make

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Speaker 1: the playoffs. But they also realized, look, this is a

882
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Speaker 1: potential with this guy, this once in a generation quarterback

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Speaker 1: and this coach who had, you know, the ultimate success

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Speaker 1: at the college level. Why won't it work. Why can't

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Speaker 1: it work in more than anything? Why can't it work

886
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:18,359
Speaker 1: better than what they had in the past. So that's

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Speaker 1: really what the what the expectation, the hype is all

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Speaker 1: about around here. I don't know if it'll ever be

889
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:25,880
Speaker 1: as good as it was a few It wasn't that

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00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 1: long ago there in the AFC Championship game, and had

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00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:32,359
Speaker 1: a ten point lead in the fourth quarter at Foxborough

892
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 1: and no, that team was good at the defense let

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Speaker 1: them down in that one. Uh uh, they had a shot,

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00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 1: That team had a terrible quarterback. That was fools goal

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Speaker 1: that that was That was a that was a that

896
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Speaker 1: was a Rex Grossman. Remember when they went to Pittsburgh. No, listen,

897
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Speaker 1: he played the game. He played the game of his life. There.

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Speaker 1: We we have we have enough data I have, But

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Speaker 1: they were when you're telling me, you're telling me they're

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Speaker 1: gonna be in the AFC Championship Game in the next

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Speaker 1: five years under Urban Meyers. What I'm asking, will they

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Speaker 1: be in the as champion A game five years? I

903
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Speaker 1: think they've got a really good chance to be in

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Speaker 1: the ASCY champions Let's say no, they don't make in

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Speaker 1: the next five years. Well, I mean you have to

906
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Speaker 1: be you have to be a little lucky. You have

907
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Speaker 1: to make the right even even when you make the

908
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 1: right calls, the guy's got to stay healthy. There's a

909
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Speaker 1: there's a lot there's a lot more more too. Matt

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Speaker 1: Hay's joining us here, Doug Gotlei, Brod Parker in for

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Speaker 1: Dan and the and the Dan Nettes. Um okay, so

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Speaker 1: let me do Let me say this real quick. I

913
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Speaker 1: think it's more than just coaching too. It's also a

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Speaker 1: value in talent and recognize players. And I think you

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Speaker 1: look at it when you get a guy like Walker

916
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Speaker 1: Little in the second round. They knew Walker Little had

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Speaker 1: to nee andjrew, they knew he sat out last season

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Speaker 1: because of COVID. That's going to be a ten or

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Speaker 1: twelve year time. He's going to be a big time

920
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Speaker 1: player in the league. Well, look, that's the Matt, Matt,

921
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Speaker 1: that's the that's it. The guy like Andre Cisco, the

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Speaker 1: Safty of Syracuse who was a fantastic player in college,

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Speaker 1: blew out as being October. Everybody passed on him. They

924
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Speaker 1: picked them up in the third round. That kid's also

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Speaker 1: going to be an eight ten year starter for them.

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Speaker 1: So it's an idea of recognizing players, getting the players,

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Speaker 1: and then developing them. Well, that that's the and that's

928
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Speaker 1: the That's where all this makes sense to me, Matt,

929
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Speaker 1: is that it's a little bit like it's different, but

930
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Speaker 1: a little bit like when Pete Carroll took over with

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Speaker 1: the Seahawks. Where did he and he didn't personally recruit

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Speaker 1: guys as much as Urban and some of the guys

933
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Speaker 1: in his staff, but the depth of knowledge to these

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Speaker 1: guys because of their time in college covering when he

935
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Speaker 1: covered college, and of course the evaluators, and he's a

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Speaker 1: very good talent evaluators as well. That using that strength

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Speaker 1: from the college game and also the knowledge of these

938
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Speaker 1: guys to strategically draft guys later. That's what when Pete

939
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Speaker 1: Carroll got to Seattle, right, that's where they passed on

940
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Speaker 1: Taylor Mays and and end up making all these smart decisions.

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Speaker 1: That part of the plan makes makes complete sense, uh,

942
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Speaker 1: complete sense to me. Let me let me ask you that,

943
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Speaker 1: because what they're trying to do is essentially like the

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Speaker 1: team they're playing against has done, which is Cleveland was

945
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Speaker 1: bad forever and they just stacked talent after talent after talent.

946
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Speaker 1: They finally figured right, They finally figured out the quarterback

947
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Speaker 1: position well enough so that now Cleveland is a is

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Speaker 1: a playoff team again. I know you didn't see much

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Speaker 1: of the ones when they matched up, but how big

950
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Speaker 1: a gap is there between with Clevelands thrown out there,

951
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 1: when Jacksonville is thrown out there? There's a gap right now.

952
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 1: There's no doubt about that. They're They're a long way

953
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Speaker 1: from Cleveland, I think. But but I will say this

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Speaker 1: to your point, Doug, is the way you get better

955
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Speaker 1: in this league as you draft, you draft out of

956
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Speaker 1: your problems. And there's too many teams try and go

957
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:32,360
Speaker 1: free agency and that just doesn't work. You've got to

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Speaker 1: draft your way out of problems. And and look, I

959
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Speaker 1: get the whole idea that Irban Myers never been in

960
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Speaker 1: a league, and there's a history of college coaches failing.

961
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Speaker 1: I get all of that. But if you've got a

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Speaker 1: guy that understands talent and knows talent, you've got a

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Speaker 1: better chance of him changing that trend. And that's that's

964
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Speaker 1: really what they're banking on here. Yeah, will he do it?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. My guess is that he's a good

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Speaker 1: enough guy that knows talent that he can make it,

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Speaker 1: make it work. And I think by his first draft,

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Speaker 1: clearly he knows what's going on with as far as

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Speaker 1: players and put three players. But the problem is in

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Speaker 1: the AFC, you got all these teams with these young,

971
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Speaker 1: dynamic quarterbacks already ahead of them. The Bills aren't going

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Speaker 1: anywhere in the next five years. The Chiefs aren't going

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Speaker 1: anywhere in the next five years. The Ravens aren't going

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Speaker 1: anywhere in the next five years. Even the Bengals have

975
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Speaker 1: their their quarterback. I just keep looking, but Browns are there.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying when I look away we're talking about

977
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Speaker 1: with the Bills. The Bills are the exact this is

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Speaker 1: that's the blueprint. Right, the Bills are bad about five

979
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Speaker 1: years from now. These teams already are ahead of them.

980
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Speaker 1: I understand, But look, the Bills are bad for twelve

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Speaker 1: thirteen years. Right. They bring in this coaching staff along

982
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Speaker 1: with Brandon being and they start drafting and they have

983
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Speaker 1: a defense, offense, line, run the football, and the first

984
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Speaker 1: two years Josh Hollen was not particularly good. And then

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Speaker 1: by the time he figures it out, now they're a

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Speaker 1: perennial playoff team. Right, We're looking at the Bills through

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00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 1: a lens of today, and we're not looking at it

988
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Speaker 1: this was what it was like when these guys took over.

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Speaker 1: I get that, but I'm telling you, if you're talking

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Speaker 1: about the next five years, I don't see did Jaguars

991
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Speaker 1: jumping over any of these teams in for the AFC championship.

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Speaker 1: That's all that said. Now you can you can, you

993
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Speaker 1: can help us out. Though he's talking about young, dynamic quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: Isn't that the way we viewed Trevor Lawrence? Maybe not now,

995
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Speaker 1: but in terms of as a prospect and as the

996
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 1: potential like he's he's he's I must think he's forgetting

997
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 1: they got Trevor. Lawrence is the one guy that everybody

998
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Speaker 1: one day pay for five years from now. That's all

999
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Speaker 1: I can say this. I had multiple NFL scouts tell

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Speaker 1: me last year during the college football seasons that Lawrence was.

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Speaker 1: You know, every keeps saying he's as good a prospects

1002
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Speaker 1: as Luck. Multiple multiple scouts tell me he was better

1003
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Speaker 1: prospect than Luck, as good a prospects of a guy

1004
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Speaker 1: named Elway. So you're starting from that point right there. Okay,

1005
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Speaker 1: when you start with him in the league. Now, if

1006
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Speaker 1: if he fails, he fails, But if you're starting at

1007
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Speaker 1: that point and he gets better every season, he is

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Speaker 1: a player. Everyone thinks he's going to be that team

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Speaker 1: was going to be very, very good in five years.

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Speaker 1: We're also a couple weeks away from college football. Matt,

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Speaker 1: I gotta have you on my show Talk College Football.

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Speaker 1: I'm ready. I know you're ready as well. Thanks so

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Speaker 1: much for joining us. I know you've got a big

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Speaker 1: show of your own upcoming. Matt Hayes, Matt, great stuff.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us. Okay, so thank you