1
00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:14,920
Speaker 1: This is the OTP presented by Farm Bureau Health Plans.

2
00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:20,920
Speaker 1: Get a quote today at FBHP dot com. I'm Mike Keith,

3
00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:23,720
Speaker 1: please to be joined by the Executive Director of the

4
00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:27,360
Speaker 1: Reese's Senior Bowl, Jim Nake. Jim, thanks for taking time.

5
00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:28,160
Speaker 1: We appreciate it.

6
00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:31,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, Mike, thanks for having me on. We usually just

7
00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:33,280
Speaker 2: connect down here Senior Bowl week, so it's good to do.

8
00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:34,239
Speaker 2: Good to be on with you.

9
00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:40,160
Speaker 1: It's exciting that this February, the seventy fifth Reese's Senior

10
00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:43,160
Speaker 1: Bowl will take place awfully special for all you guys

11
00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:43,960
Speaker 1: down there in Mobile.

12
00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:46,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's gonna be a great week for us.

13
00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:50,320
Speaker 2: You know, we partnered with the NFLPA over the summer

14
00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:53,320
Speaker 2: to bring these guys back. You know, the goal is

15
00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:55,760
Speaker 2: to name a seventy fifth team, and it's great to

16
00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:58,280
Speaker 2: name a team, but to get them back here in

17
00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:00,639
Speaker 2: Mobile is a big deal where we're gonna be able

18
00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:02,760
Speaker 2: to do that with the help of the NFLPA. So

19
00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:06,200
Speaker 2: we're getting ready to announce the team. We've got these

20
00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:10,080
Speaker 2: big packages getting ready to go out to the players themselves.

21
00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:11,480
Speaker 2: So it should be a lot of fun.

22
00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:14,240
Speaker 1: And the Senior Bowl really at its zenith at this

23
00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:18,280
Speaker 1: moment last year, how many of the twenty twenty three

24
00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:22,200
Speaker 1: Senior bowlers were drafted In April.

25
00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:23,880
Speaker 2: We had right at one hundred players. So that was

26
00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:25,520
Speaker 2: the third year in a row that we'd had over

27
00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:28,039
Speaker 2: one hundred players. And for the third year in a row,

28
00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:31,240
Speaker 2: we hit forty percent of last year's draft class. So

29
00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:33,520
Speaker 2: each of the last three years we've hit that, And

30
00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:35,679
Speaker 2: I'm just happy for all those guys.

31
00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:36,959
Speaker 3: They all realized their dreams.

32
00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:38,800
Speaker 2: And I think we had I think we had nine

33
00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:41,480
Speaker 2: guys that didn't get drafted actually made opening gay fifty

34
00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:44,319
Speaker 2: three man rosters. So like I tell the players, it's

35
00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:46,640
Speaker 2: not always where you start, it's where you finished. So

36
00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:48,160
Speaker 2: it was cool to see some of those guys that

37
00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:50,200
Speaker 2: didn't get picked actually make a team.

38
00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:52,840
Speaker 1: All right, jib, take me through how you're starting to

39
00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:56,080
Speaker 1: narrow down the list of guys that you're going to

40
00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:59,280
Speaker 1: invite to Mobile for the last week of January and

41
00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:00,440
Speaker 1: the February three game.

42
00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:05,480
Speaker 2: Sure, we started last spring, really really, even before last

43
00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:08,280
Speaker 2: year's game started, we were looking at players for next year,

44
00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:11,000
Speaker 2: for twenty twenty four. But as we work through the

45
00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:13,880
Speaker 2: year again it's a part of a process of elimination.

46
00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:17,120
Speaker 2: We started with a two deep depth chart from every

47
00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:19,840
Speaker 2: FPS school and started to work our way down at

48
00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:22,239
Speaker 2: that level, and then the FCS and the Division twos.

49
00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:24,560
Speaker 2: We kind of go off all American and all conference

50
00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:27,560
Speaker 2: lists here and that's all off the junior tape, and

51
00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:29,400
Speaker 2: that's how we create the watch list, and then as

52
00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:31,959
Speaker 2: we go through the fall. Right now, we've got ten

53
00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:35,720
Speaker 2: former NFL scouts center staff and throughout games every Saturday

54
00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:38,480
Speaker 2: watching these players. They're at home at their houses all

55
00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:41,760
Speaker 2: all week watching tape. So we're trying to do this

56
00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:43,840
Speaker 2: thing as closely as we can to what an NFL

57
00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:47,360
Speaker 2: franchise does. And next week we're actually hopping on our

58
00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:50,280
Speaker 2: big all staff zoom calls and we're going to go

59
00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:51,359
Speaker 2: over offense and defense.

60
00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:52,880
Speaker 3: We're going to take two or three days as a

61
00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:53,400
Speaker 3: group and.

62
00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:55,960
Speaker 2: Kind of get the board set, and now we're getting

63
00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:57,600
Speaker 2: ready for our first round of invites here in a

64
00:02:57,600 --> 00:02:58,120
Speaker 2: few weeks.

65
00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:03,000
Speaker 1: Jim, you obviously focus on seniors. You know, underclassmen will

66
00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:06,280
Speaker 1: certainly join the twenty twenty four draft class. You don't

67
00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:09,240
Speaker 1: know which ones yet, but just from what you know

68
00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:13,320
Speaker 1: of the overall picture, what appear to be the strengths

69
00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:16,200
Speaker 1: very early on in terms of what will be in

70
00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:17,919
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty four NFL Draft.

71
00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:19,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right.

72
00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:21,760
Speaker 2: We do get some juniors, though, we get the guys

73
00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:24,240
Speaker 2: that graduate by December, so we have to watch those

74
00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:27,320
Speaker 2: guys for sure. You're always going to notice a guy

75
00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:29,840
Speaker 2: like Caleb Williams as you're watching USC tape, So we

76
00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:32,960
Speaker 2: try to take some notes on the juniors as well.

77
00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:36,200
Speaker 2: But positions of strength right now, I would say offensive

78
00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:39,400
Speaker 2: line as a whole. That's probably music to music to

79
00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:41,480
Speaker 2: the ears of a lot of NFL fans right now.

80
00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:44,600
Speaker 2: Who's struggling up front? I mean, I feel like every

81
00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:47,600
Speaker 2: primetime game I've watched so far this year, one of

82
00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:50,240
Speaker 2: the two teams is really is really struggling on the

83
00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:54,440
Speaker 2: offensive line. So last year was a really good interior class,

84
00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:55,800
Speaker 2: maybe not so much at tackle.

85
00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:57,640
Speaker 3: I think it's pretty good across the board.

86
00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:00,880
Speaker 2: And then I would say the interior defensive line classes

87
00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:03,360
Speaker 2: better than it's been in the last few years, at

88
00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:06,640
Speaker 2: least for us, at least for the senior group. You know,

89
00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:09,400
Speaker 2: it's we've we've been really searching for some guys down

90
00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:11,800
Speaker 2: the roster over the last couple of years, and this

91
00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:14,360
Speaker 2: year we're gonna have to make some difficult cuts. There's

92
00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:16,040
Speaker 2: some guys that we're gonna want here in Mobile that

93
00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:18,479
Speaker 2: we're just not gonna have room for. So that's a

94
00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:20,760
Speaker 2: good thing for teams that need interior d line help

95
00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:21,800
Speaker 2: and some pass rush out.

96
00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:23,920
Speaker 1: Okay, so let me go back to the offensive line

97
00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:26,440
Speaker 1: tag for a second. If you're an NFL team that

98
00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:29,839
Speaker 1: potentially needs a starting left tackle, are you gonna have

99
00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:32,560
Speaker 1: to take that player in the first round or is

100
00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:34,880
Speaker 1: there enough depth that maybe you could get that player

101
00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:36,080
Speaker 1: in the second or third round.

102
00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:39,840
Speaker 2: Sure, I think you could wait, you know, like, for instance,

103
00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:41,920
Speaker 2: a couple of years ago, we had Braxton Jones in

104
00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:44,360
Speaker 2: our game, a small school guy from Southern Utah who

105
00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:47,400
Speaker 2: probably was rushed down the field last year for Chicago

106
00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:50,880
Speaker 2: as a rookie a little too early. But now as

107
00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:52,720
Speaker 2: a second year starter, it looks like he's a guy

108
00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:54,760
Speaker 2: that could play for a long time. So there are

109
00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:57,839
Speaker 2: athletes Mike that can play that left tackle spot.

110
00:04:58,200 --> 00:04:59,600
Speaker 3: That's what you do as an evaluator.

111
00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:02,400
Speaker 2: When you tackles, you can rule it out pretty quickly

112
00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:05,120
Speaker 2: which guys are going to be right tackles in the league,

113
00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:07,800
Speaker 2: and that's most of them. In which guys have the

114
00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:10,960
Speaker 2: feet in the length, you know, to actually survive out

115
00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:11,679
Speaker 2: there at left tackle.

116
00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:16,520
Speaker 3: I think guys like Patrick Paul at Houston is a name. Gosh,

117
00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:16,800
Speaker 3: you know.

118
00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:19,160
Speaker 2: Javon Foster at Missouri is the guy who's played really

119
00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:21,359
Speaker 2: well this year, made a nice jump. So there's gonna

120
00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:24,280
Speaker 2: be some day two guys, maybe even to the fourth round,

121
00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:27,039
Speaker 2: like a smaller school Braxton Jones type player that could

122
00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:27,360
Speaker 2: be there.

123
00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:30,200
Speaker 1: Okay, on the flip side of the strengths of the

124
00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:33,039
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four draft, again it's early. But on the

125
00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:36,839
Speaker 1: flip side, the weak groups in terms of what you're

126
00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:40,520
Speaker 1: saying from the seniors and the potential underclassmen who may enter.

127
00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:44,560
Speaker 2: Okay, I think Titans fans are gonna be happy to

128
00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:48,560
Speaker 2: hear that they were lucky they drafted Taj Spears last

129
00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:50,800
Speaker 2: year because this does not seem to be a real

130
00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:53,800
Speaker 2: running back heavy group. We've had a couple of guys

131
00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:57,960
Speaker 2: really emerge out of that group as seniors, but overall,

132
00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:01,880
Speaker 2: in terms of like high end first couple rounds, if

133
00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:05,919
Speaker 2: you're thinking about a replacement eventually for Derrick Henry to

134
00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:09,600
Speaker 2: maybe pair with Taj, this isn't the year to do it.

135
00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:13,080
Speaker 2: So running backs and I'd say safety safety is a

136
00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:16,160
Speaker 2: position that's really getting more difficult because you know, if

137
00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:18,320
Speaker 2: you have a safety that can't cover. In the NFL,

138
00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:21,160
Speaker 2: coaches are doing such a good job of getting those

139
00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:24,160
Speaker 2: guys isolated, so you got to find safeties that can cover,

140
00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:26,640
Speaker 2: and there's just not a lot of those guys at

141
00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:29,520
Speaker 2: the college level. We're actually looking at some corners for

142
00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:31,480
Speaker 2: the game right now that we'll bring here to Mobile

143
00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:32,520
Speaker 2: and play them at safety.

144
00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:37,480
Speaker 1: So outside of his family and the staff at TWU Lane,

145
00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:42,400
Speaker 1: the least surprised man in America that Taja Spears has

146
00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:44,520
Speaker 1: done well for the Titans is Jim Naggy.

147
00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:48,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, obviously I had the pom poms out

148
00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:49,520
Speaker 2: for Taj last year.

149
00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:53,120
Speaker 3: I'm not denying that. I just think so much of

150
00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:54,679
Speaker 3: them As a player.

151
00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:56,760
Speaker 2: I think he's you know, I put something on Twitter

152
00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:58,360
Speaker 2: the other day, I think he's the best open field

153
00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:00,160
Speaker 2: runner we've seen in the last couple of years out

154
00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:00,600
Speaker 2: of the draft.

155
00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:02,040
Speaker 3: But then you guys.

156
00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:03,680
Speaker 2: Have all had a lot of months and months now

157
00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:05,360
Speaker 2: to be around Taja, and I think the more you're

158
00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:08,520
Speaker 2: around him, the more you become a fan. So no,

159
00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:11,440
Speaker 2: he's a pretty special guy and it's it's been cool

160
00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:14,960
Speaker 2: to see them get him involved recently, get his touches up,

161
00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:16,600
Speaker 2: because I think he can really make an impact.

162
00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:18,840
Speaker 1: All right, let's talk seniors. Who are the guys that

163
00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:22,720
Speaker 1: have really improved their stock the most so far in

164
00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:23,920
Speaker 1: fall twenty twenty three.

165
00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:27,520
Speaker 2: Okay, well we'll stick with the running back theme to

166
00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:30,920
Speaker 2: start with. I'd say Marshawn Lloyd starting running back at

167
00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:34,240
Speaker 2: USC is a guy that transferred out there from South Carolina,

168
00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:36,880
Speaker 2: and he'd started at South Carolina. It's not like he

169
00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:39,920
Speaker 2: wasn't a non factor there, but man, as he busted out,

170
00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:42,480
Speaker 2: I think he's the most athletic running back in the draft.

171
00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:46,400
Speaker 2: He's now our top graded senior back going into the year.

172
00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:49,640
Speaker 2: It was Trey Benson and Blake Korum from Michigan Trede

173
00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:53,000
Speaker 2: Benson at Florida State. Marshaw's kind of overtaken those two guys,

174
00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:55,880
Speaker 2: even though we like both those guys. But but Marshall

175
00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:58,080
Speaker 2: just played at a really high level all year out

176
00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:01,880
Speaker 2: there on the West coast. Xavier leggat another South Carolina

177
00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:04,640
Speaker 2: game cock that actually stayed in Columbia, has had a

178
00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:07,600
Speaker 2: really a breakout year for South Carolina. Probably worked himself

179
00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:10,440
Speaker 2: up from being a seventh round priority free agent level

180
00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:13,120
Speaker 2: player to Now, when you talk to scouts, I see

181
00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:14,800
Speaker 2: guys out of games on Saturday, as a bunch of

182
00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:16,680
Speaker 2: NFL guys, and it doesn't sound like he's going to

183
00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:19,080
Speaker 2: get out of the second day. He's a six to

184
00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:20,840
Speaker 2: three to two hundred and twenty pound guy that's gonna

185
00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:23,600
Speaker 2: run in the high four threes. He can return kicks,

186
00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:25,560
Speaker 2: he's played on special teams, and now he's like a

187
00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:28,360
Speaker 2: really prolific receiver in that offense. So I would say

188
00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:30,680
Speaker 2: those two guys, and then I've got this Oregon duck

189
00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:34,080
Speaker 2: sticker over my shoulder. Here they have a big, long

190
00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:38,520
Speaker 2: corner transfer from Alabama named Kyrie Jackson who really struggled

191
00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:41,520
Speaker 2: getting on the field in Tuscaloosa and he has taken

192
00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:45,040
Speaker 2: off and Dan Lannings defense out in Eugene. So that's

193
00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:47,280
Speaker 2: those are Those are just three. There's a bunch, but

194
00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:48,559
Speaker 2: those are three guys.

195
00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:52,200
Speaker 1: How many quarterbacks potentially could go in the first round

196
00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:54,040
Speaker 1: of the twenty twenty four NFL Draft.

197
00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:57,440
Speaker 2: Well, I think even the casual fan will tell you

198
00:08:57,480 --> 00:08:59,640
Speaker 2: that it's probably gonna be Kayleb Williams and Drake May

199
00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:02,520
Speaker 2: the USC and North Carolina quarterbacks. And then after that,

200
00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:05,240
Speaker 2: you know, I think of the senior class. I think

201
00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:07,679
Speaker 2: bow Knicks from Oregon could maybe get into that mix.

202
00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:11,719
Speaker 2: Jaydeon Daniels is playing as well as anybody right now.

203
00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:13,679
Speaker 2: I think the West Coast quarterbacks are getting a lot

204
00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:15,560
Speaker 2: of the love. But Jade Daniels is playing at a

205
00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:18,320
Speaker 2: really high level at LSU. We'll see how high he

206
00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:20,199
Speaker 2: can climb. And we have a day two grain on

207
00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:23,439
Speaker 2: him right now, on Jayden. And then there's the underclassman,

208
00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:25,880
Speaker 2: you know, JJ McCarthy at my alma mater of Michigan.

209
00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:27,960
Speaker 3: I watch those guys whenever I can.

210
00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:30,960
Speaker 2: He does a lot of really good things on tape

211
00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:34,000
Speaker 2: when we're watching all the other offensive players at Michigan.

212
00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:34,640
Speaker 1: You know.

213
00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:36,520
Speaker 2: And then Riley Leonard at Duke is a name that's

214
00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:39,640
Speaker 2: been out there. I personally don't think Riley's gonna come

215
00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:41,480
Speaker 2: out in the draft. Maybe I'm wrong. He's a local

216
00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:43,600
Speaker 2: kid for us down here. He's from right across Mobile

217
00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:47,160
Speaker 2: Bay in Fair Hope, Alabama. So and he's missed some time,

218
00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:49,720
Speaker 2: so maybe he'll go back for next year. But we

219
00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:51,959
Speaker 2: could get three or four, Mike. I think that's probably

220
00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:53,000
Speaker 2: the number we're looking at.

221
00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:55,920
Speaker 1: Three or four, Michael Pennix at Washington.

222
00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:59,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, Pennix might be in the mix. He's certainly played well.

223
00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:01,439
Speaker 2: I think, you know, when we get into the process

224
00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:03,560
Speaker 2: where the scouts really dig in on the nitty gritty,

225
00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:06,520
Speaker 2: you know, be on the tape, and Mike Michael Pennix

226
00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:07,640
Speaker 2: played great on tape.

227
00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:09,640
Speaker 3: You know, he's had some injury stuff. He's had some

228
00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:13,320
Speaker 3: season ending injuries. And then with the age kind.

229
00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:15,800
Speaker 2: Of something that Hendon Hooker fought last year at Tennessee,

230
00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:18,880
Speaker 2: He's gonna have He's gonna have some age concerns because

231
00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:20,760
Speaker 2: he's been in school for six years. So and Bo

232
00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:23,120
Speaker 2: Nix will as well, Bo Bo Will Bo's got some

233
00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:23,960
Speaker 2: age stuff as well.

234
00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:25,480
Speaker 3: So it'll be interesting.

235
00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:27,800
Speaker 2: So but I do think we'll probably end up with

236
00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:30,360
Speaker 2: three somewhere, three to five, somewhere in that range.

237
00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:32,920
Speaker 1: I can't believe we've gotten this far with Jim Naggy

238
00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:36,960
Speaker 1: and not talked about wide receivers. Everybody just salivating over

239
00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:40,840
Speaker 1: the potential of Marvin Harrison Junior from Ohio State. Are

240
00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:43,800
Speaker 1: there a group of receivers that are in his class?

241
00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:48,760
Speaker 2: You know, I'm not sure, and I haven't studied Marvin honestly,

242
00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:51,079
Speaker 2: I know he's not gonna he's not gonna be for us.

243
00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:53,080
Speaker 2: So we we we've got we've got to we've not

244
00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:55,080
Speaker 2: to like dive into the nitty gritty with you. But

245
00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:57,840
Speaker 2: we have like over two hundred more players on the

246
00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:01,040
Speaker 2: watch list this year because the FELLA is counting the

247
00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:04,839
Speaker 2: twenty twenty season for the guys that sat out COVID,

248
00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:06,960
Speaker 2: they're eligible they usually wouldn't. So like we have a

249
00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:09,280
Speaker 2: class of red shirt juniors now that we usually don't

250
00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:10,319
Speaker 2: have for All Star Games.

251
00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:10,680
Speaker 1: Wow.

252
00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:12,560
Speaker 3: And so I don't have time to watch Marvin.

253
00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:15,360
Speaker 2: I do know this he's a special talent because I

254
00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:17,720
Speaker 2: had multiple scouts called me last year as they were

255
00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:21,000
Speaker 2: like leaving the practice field at Columbus saying, you got

256
00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:23,720
Speaker 2: to see Marvin Harrison's kid, man, Like he's incredible. So

257
00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:26,400
Speaker 2: I know he's a special one. But it is a

258
00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:30,280
Speaker 2: good receiver class. I brought up Xavier Leggett, Malachai Porley

259
00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:32,320
Speaker 2: from Western Kentucky kind of right up the road, right

260
00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:34,680
Speaker 2: up I sixty five and Bowling Green, Kentucky from you

261
00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:37,240
Speaker 2: guys is a really good player. I think anyone that

262
00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:40,600
Speaker 2: watched the Washington Oregon game over the weekend saw roll

263
00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:44,640
Speaker 2: ma Doonsey and Jalen McMillan for Washington and then and

264
00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:48,040
Speaker 2: then Troy Franklin on the Oregon side. So there is

265
00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:49,800
Speaker 2: it's gonna be, you know, we I think we had

266
00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:53,640
Speaker 2: two straight really good receiver classes and this one looks

267
00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:55,120
Speaker 2: looks like it's going to be right up there.

268
00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:55,480
Speaker 3: As well.

269
00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:58,760
Speaker 1: As a fan, I enjoy watching Brock Bowers play tight

270
00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:01,480
Speaker 1: end for Georgia. He's hurt his ankle, he's going to

271
00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:04,480
Speaker 1: miss four to six weeks. Has he already put enough

272
00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:06,560
Speaker 1: hay in the barn in terms of what he's shown

273
00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:08,360
Speaker 1: that he is going to be one of the top

274
00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:10,000
Speaker 1: tight ends take and come April?

275
00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:14,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, for sure. I'm a fan of his two.

276
00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:17,600
Speaker 2: I think the first time I saw him is his

277
00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:20,840
Speaker 2: true freshman year. I was in Athens watching him play

278
00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:24,800
Speaker 2: South Carolina and he was a true freshman out of Napa, California,

279
00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:27,760
Speaker 2: and he was out there in the SEC and making

280
00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:30,760
Speaker 2: people look silly. So I do think there's a greater

281
00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:34,640
Speaker 2: gap between Rock Bowers and the next best tight end

282
00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:36,960
Speaker 2: compared to any other position in the draft, if that

283
00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:39,840
Speaker 2: makes sense. I mean, I think there's the disparity between

284
00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:42,760
Speaker 2: one and two is greater there between in Brock and

285
00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:43,280
Speaker 2: the next guy.

286
00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:44,640
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think he's done enough.

287
00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:48,599
Speaker 2: But I do think that Rock, just knowing the competitor

288
00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:50,760
Speaker 2: he is, it would not shock me at all if

289
00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:53,040
Speaker 2: he tries to come back from this ankle surgery and

290
00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:55,080
Speaker 2: join his teammates and try to.

291
00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:56,840
Speaker 3: Make a run in a third national championship.

292
00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:01,000
Speaker 1: Jim, everybody's looking for edge rushers. I haven't mentioned them

293
00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:05,160
Speaker 1: as a group. You mentioned interior defensive lineman, but everybody's

294
00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:07,040
Speaker 1: trying to find that guy who can go get the

295
00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:09,920
Speaker 1: quarterback from the edge. Who are some of the top

296
00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:13,480
Speaker 1: potential edge rushers for the twenty twenty four NFL draft.

297
00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:16,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, that group seems down a little bit, Mike, at

298
00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:18,480
Speaker 2: least for us in the senior class. I mean, there's

299
00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:22,040
Speaker 2: certainly some guys we like, but just the overall depth,

300
00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:23,960
Speaker 2: I mean, that's been a really hard position for us

301
00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:26,960
Speaker 2: to cut over the years, and for a good reason.

302
00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:29,080
Speaker 3: Usually we have an abundance. This year we probably won't

303
00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:29,720
Speaker 3: have enough.

304
00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:32,640
Speaker 2: But a couple of names I'll throw at you, like

305
00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:34,839
Speaker 2: Chop Robinson is a junior at Penn State. You have

306
00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:36,920
Speaker 2: heard a lot about I haven't really spent a lot

307
00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:39,440
Speaker 2: of time watching they have a guy on the opposite

308
00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:42,680
Speaker 2: side of Disa Isaac who had three sacks this past week.

309
00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:46,559
Speaker 3: That so I noticed Chopp when I'm watching watching their tape.

310
00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:49,320
Speaker 2: Jared Burse is a guy from Florida State that we

311
00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:51,600
Speaker 2: heard a lot about over the summer. If you're on

312
00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:55,000
Speaker 2: social media or draft sites in the summer, Jered Burse

313
00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:57,880
Speaker 2: was a big time name out of Florida State and

314
00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:00,200
Speaker 2: he was sackless up until a couple of weeks go.

315
00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:03,040
Speaker 2: I was over there in Tallahassee watching them play about

316
00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:05,920
Speaker 2: Tech and Jared got his first two sacks that day.

317
00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:09,520
Speaker 2: I think that was week six. So from a production standpoint,

318
00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:11,760
Speaker 2: he has a ways to go. Oh, but he's a

319
00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:14,000
Speaker 2: really good player. I mean he's an impactful player. He's

320
00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:16,440
Speaker 2: a good rundowns player. He's not just a pass rusher.

321
00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:19,240
Speaker 2: I do think he's a first round draft pick. And

322
00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:22,040
Speaker 2: then a guy that a guy who's really looked great

323
00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:24,400
Speaker 2: on tape the last two years as a kid by

324
00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:26,720
Speaker 2: the name of a lot Too out at UCLA, and

325
00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:29,160
Speaker 2: you know, he had some injury stuff at Washington. He

326
00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:32,480
Speaker 2: had a neck thing that Washington kind of disqualified him

327
00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:34,680
Speaker 2: from playing in UCLA said come on down and they

328
00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:37,920
Speaker 2: passed him physically, and now he's tearing it up out

329
00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:39,640
Speaker 2: on the West coast. And I know a lot of us,

330
00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:42,160
Speaker 2: you know, east of the Mississippi. We don't stay up

331
00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:44,720
Speaker 2: for the Pac twelve late at night games, but a

332
00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:48,360
Speaker 2: lot too at UCLA is a really skilled pass rusher

333
00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:50,280
Speaker 2: with his hands and setting up moves.

334
00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:50,840
Speaker 3: He is.

335
00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:52,920
Speaker 2: He's a pro. I mean, this guy looks like he's

336
00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:54,840
Speaker 2: a ten year vet when he rushes the quarterback. He

337
00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:55,800
Speaker 2: just knows how to do it.

338
00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:58,520
Speaker 3: So those are a few names of guys if you're

339
00:14:58,560 --> 00:14:59,600
Speaker 3: looking for pass rush help.

340
00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:02,520
Speaker 1: We were in Mobile in twenty twenty two. The first

341
00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:07,160
Speaker 1: guy interviewed was Roger McCrary, who's a Mobile guy, played

342
00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:09,320
Speaker 1: at Auburn. The first minute I met him, I said, oh,

343
00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:11,840
Speaker 1: he's a tight and type player, and they draft They

344
00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:14,360
Speaker 1: drafted him in the second round and he's been nothing

345
00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:19,440
Speaker 1: but sensational. Are there enough corners in this draft that

346
00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:22,280
Speaker 1: you could find a Roger McCrary in round two or

347
00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:22,800
Speaker 1: round three?

348
00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:27,040
Speaker 3: Absolutely? Yeah no. And there's there's four of them.

349
00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:30,960
Speaker 2: Four of Rogers' former teammates have a really good chance

350
00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:33,400
Speaker 2: of being in here in Mobile, there's four four dvs.

351
00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:36,840
Speaker 2: At Auburn that can play so but it is it's

352
00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:40,640
Speaker 2: gonna be a good class. There's some the bigger, longer guys,

353
00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:43,200
Speaker 2: kind of the highth weight speed corners in this draft.

354
00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:45,000
Speaker 2: There's a lot of guys that are raw. They're gonna

355
00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:48,440
Speaker 2: need some time. Some of the best ready made guys

356
00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:52,080
Speaker 2: are more like Roger, you know Rogers whatever. Roger was

357
00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:55,200
Speaker 2: five ten, five eleven, but played bigger than that, really feisty,

358
00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:58,520
Speaker 2: really good ball skills. There's some guys in that vein

359
00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:01,680
Speaker 2: in this class. It's if you need a nickel, it's

360
00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:05,160
Speaker 2: a great class, like Mike Saint Rastrill at Michigan, Jedai

361
00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:08,160
Speaker 2: Baron at Texas. So there are certainly some guys in

362
00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:11,640
Speaker 2: round two because because nickel is essentially a starting spot.

363
00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:14,880
Speaker 2: Now right you're playing seventy percent sub sub package ball,

364
00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:17,520
Speaker 2: so you can plug that nickel guy and there there's

365
00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:20,440
Speaker 2: a number of those guys, so really good more depth

366
00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:21,960
Speaker 2: on the inside than out on the perimeter.

367
00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:23,560
Speaker 3: But it is a good class.

368
00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:26,440
Speaker 1: One of my favorite things in coming to Mobile is

369
00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:30,600
Speaker 1: meeting and watching the small school guys. You find him.

370
00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:34,000
Speaker 1: You found Badget from Shepherd who was playing the game

371
00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:36,640
Speaker 1: for the Bears. The other day at quarterback. You continue

372
00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:38,880
Speaker 1: to find those guys who are some of the best

373
00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:41,360
Speaker 1: small school guys that you have your eye on.

374
00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:44,720
Speaker 3: Right now, I'll say this, it's getting harder.

375
00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:49,200
Speaker 2: The transfer portal is not that the small school thing

376
00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:51,000
Speaker 2: is entirely gonna gonna go away.

377
00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:52,080
Speaker 3: I hope it doesn't.

378
00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:54,840
Speaker 2: It's been a big part of the Senior Bowls history

379
00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:57,680
Speaker 2: going going all the way back to Michael Strahan at

380
00:16:57,680 --> 00:17:01,320
Speaker 2: Texas Southern and Walter pay at Jackson State.

381
00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:03,520
Speaker 3: So I hope it totally doesn't go away.

382
00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:05,600
Speaker 2: But we are seeing a lot of these smaller school

383
00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:06,560
Speaker 2: guys transfer up.

384
00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:08,880
Speaker 3: A couple names, I'll throw one at you.

385
00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:11,439
Speaker 2: I had a phone call today with a Yale tackle

386
00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:14,840
Speaker 2: named Kieran Amagajie, and he just had a really bad

387
00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:16,960
Speaker 2: season anying injury, so he's not going to be here

388
00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:20,200
Speaker 2: in Mobile. He was our highest graded small school player.

389
00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:23,080
Speaker 2: He's a left tackle at Yale. Probably would have been

390
00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:25,400
Speaker 2: a Day two pick. You asked me if there's any

391
00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:27,480
Speaker 2: guys that they wouldn't that they could get a starting

392
00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:30,320
Speaker 2: left tackle and not in round one. Kieran probably would

393
00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:32,640
Speaker 2: have been one of those names. We'll see what happens

394
00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:36,359
Speaker 2: after the surgery here what a great young man. Having

395
00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:39,639
Speaker 2: a conversation with him today, I'm pulling for him. But

396
00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:42,000
Speaker 2: other small school guys, like there's a guy at Houston

397
00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:43,600
Speaker 2: Christian named Jlex Hunt.

398
00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:46,520
Speaker 3: He's kind of a big, long outside linebacker.

399
00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:50,720
Speaker 2: He's a former safety from Cornell, grew up in Houston

400
00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:53,119
Speaker 2: and wanted to transfer back home and play at a

401
00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:56,560
Speaker 2: little higher level than the IVY League. So Jalx Hunt

402
00:17:56,600 --> 00:18:00,320
Speaker 2: is kind of a later round name right now. We'll

403
00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:02,320
Speaker 2: see if he gets the invite to Mobile if he

404
00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:05,879
Speaker 2: can improve that stock, but that's certainly a name. And

405
00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:08,199
Speaker 2: then Dylan Loud there's a running back at New Hampshire,

406
00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:12,800
Speaker 2: Dylan loub who have seen some Christian McCaffrey comparisons. He's

407
00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:15,600
Speaker 2: a white running back, so I think people are throwing

408
00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:18,200
Speaker 2: the McCaffrey thing out. I've slow my role on that one.

409
00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:22,040
Speaker 2: Christian's like the MVP of the league right now. He's

410
00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:25,720
Speaker 2: Danny wood headish. He had a game earlier this year

411
00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:28,719
Speaker 2: Dylan did against Central Michigan where he broke the NCAA

412
00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:31,359
Speaker 2: all time record for a running back. He had twelve

413
00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:35,920
Speaker 2: catches for two hundred and ninety seven yards. So yeah, yeah,

414
00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:39,000
Speaker 2: really really cool player in the passing game that I know.

415
00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:41,520
Speaker 2: I understand why people are saying the McCaffrey thing, because

416
00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:42,960
Speaker 2: you can get him out in the slot and have

417
00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:46,320
Speaker 2: run routes and he can get open. But I don't

418
00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:48,520
Speaker 2: know if he's quite the league in the league of

419
00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:51,119
Speaker 2: Christian McCaffrey, but a really good football player.

420
00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:53,280
Speaker 1: I know it's October, but we can't wait to be

421
00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:56,680
Speaker 1: back in Mobile in late January and enjoy the seventy

422
00:18:56,760 --> 00:18:59,480
Speaker 1: fifth annual Reese Is Senior Bowl. It's going to be

423
00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:01,880
Speaker 1: a fun way and you guys are a first class unit.

424
00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:05,159
Speaker 1: Treat all the teams so well, and we get so

425
00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:07,960
Speaker 1: much towards the draft. Jim, thanks so much for the time.

426
00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:10,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, Mike, thanks for having me on. Look forward to

427
00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:12,280
Speaker 2: seeing you when we get to h when we get

428
00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:12,840
Speaker 2: to February.

429
00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:15,800
Speaker 1: All right, that does it for the OTP presented by

430
00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:18,760
Speaker 1: far Bureau Health Plans for Jim Daggie. I'm Mike Keith.

431
00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:19,920
Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to