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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Podcast, your guide to

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Speaker 1: the White Tail Woods, presented by first Light, creating proven

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Speaker 1: versatile hunting apparel for the stand, saddle or blind. First Light,

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Speaker 1: Go Farther, stay Longer, and now your host, Mark Kenyon.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. This week, I'm

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Speaker 2: joined by a longtime co host, Dan Johnson to reflect

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Speaker 2: on the past ten seasons of this podcast and the

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Speaker 2: deer hunting lessons we've learned along the way. All right,

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Speaker 2: welcome to the Wired to Hunt Podcast, brought to you

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Speaker 2: by First Light, and today we have got a special

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Speaker 2: episode because we are joined by drumroll please, the One,

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Speaker 2: the Only, Amiel Bartholomew Johnson, Dan, welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 3: Right now. Everybody just hit the stop button.

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Speaker 2: Or they're thinking, is Dan's middle name really Bartholomew?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, like this guy is a nerd. How are

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Speaker 3: you man, I'm good man, How are you?

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Speaker 2: I am well, I'm doing good. I uh, I'm glad

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Speaker 2: we get to catch up here a little bit. I've

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Speaker 2: been doing something that you inspired me to do. Do

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Speaker 2: you have any guesses what that might be?

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Speaker 3: See, So, the first thing that popped into my mind

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Speaker 3: was inappropriate for even this podcast. So I gotta go

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Speaker 3: into I don't know number two. Yeah, I'm gonna guess wrong.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna guess wrong unless it's eighties like started watching

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Speaker 3: more eighties movies.

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Speaker 2: No, it's not that. Here's what you inspired me to do. Okay,

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Speaker 2: you and inspired me to listen to the very first

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Speaker 2: Wired podcast of all time?

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Speaker 3: Yep, yep.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So here's this crazy man. We have just recently

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Speaker 2: entered the tenth season of this podcast.

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Speaker 3: Nuts.

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Speaker 2: How crazy is that? It's come a long ways? This

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Speaker 2: has been a long journey, man, and uh, it's gone.

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Speaker 2: Part of me feels like it happened in like a flash,

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Speaker 2: and part of me feels like it was a lifetime

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Speaker 2: ago that that first happened. You know, I don't know

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Speaker 2: where I stand on.

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Speaker 3: That, and I'm not sure what kind of caused me.

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Speaker 2: Two.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so here's here's part of the reason. So you know,

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Speaker 3: I have all you know, I have the network, and

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Speaker 3: I have the nine Finger Chronicles and things like that,

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Speaker 3: and so I was I never ever ever go and

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Speaker 3: check the reviews on the podcast, and so you know,

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Speaker 3: all these awesome, great reviews and then I then I

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Speaker 3: go back and I look at the very like the

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Speaker 3: oldest reviews that I possibly have, and how you know,

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Speaker 3: there's there's a handful of them that are just like

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Speaker 3: I it kind of sparked in my brain. I go, Okay,

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Speaker 3: I have to go back to the very first podcast

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Speaker 3: listen to our conversation and to see how different it was,

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Speaker 3: you know, today than it was. Damn you're ten years ago.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, to kind of see what kind of progress you've

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Speaker 2: made exactly exactly not much? Well, well what you uh,

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Speaker 2: what you when you when you sent me the text,

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Speaker 2: tell me that you listen to that. I start having

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Speaker 2: the same thoughts that you just mentioned. I was like,

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Speaker 2: a little time to reflect back on this ten year

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Speaker 2: journey and where it's taken us and what's happened and stuff.

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Speaker 2: And so I kind of thought for today, you and

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Speaker 2: Now and then also I want to do a little

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Speaker 2: bit more reflection and steal another idea from that episode. So,

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Speaker 2: if you recall, from episode one of the Wired Hunt podcast,

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Speaker 2: our topic of discussion was the best and worst moments

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Speaker 2: So that's my idea for today, is a little bit

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Speaker 2: So, first off, ten years ago, you and I we

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Speaker 3: I'll never forget it. I'll never for some reason, and

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Speaker 3: I mean this in all seriousness, I'll never forget that

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Speaker 3: those days, those couple of days when you came down,

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Speaker 3: We were drinking some beers at that night at my parents' place.

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Speaker 3: And You're like, Hey, dude, I got this crazy idea

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Speaker 3: and when you asked me, I was like, it was

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Speaker 2: So I feel the same way. The only other thing

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Speaker 2: Do you remember that part.

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Speaker 3: And the steal the podcast idea and do it myself exactly?

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Speaker 3: and the kudos to you for being tough because you

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Speaker 2: I had to. It was cold too, Yeah, yeah, I

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Speaker 2: So yeah, so so real talk. If I had been

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Speaker 2: It was it was tenuous there at the beginning, that, yeah,

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Speaker 2: just thinking about this morning. The Wired the website started

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think right off the bat, there was a

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Speaker 2: pot than it was ten years ago when I thought, man,

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00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 2: I just got to kill one hundred and fifty in

435
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:38,159
Speaker 2: four year bucks, and if I can do that, I

436
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:39,240
Speaker 2: am validated.

437
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, And to elaborate on that thought past hunting

438
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:49,800
Speaker 3: and hunting strategy. It was also cool to see the

439
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 3: sheet pulled off of the scientific and the conservation type content.

440
00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:58,439
Speaker 3: So when you're talking to guys like Matt Ross or

441
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:02,960
Speaker 3: Bronson Strickland and they start dropping some facts about deer,

442
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:06,120
Speaker 3: you know, like like I used to think that if

443
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 3: you killed small antler deer genetically inferior deer, that it

444
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 3: would mean less of those deer, right, And so when

445
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 3: I heard this information, like, hey, guess what, it doesn't

446
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 3: do anything, you know, like like calling deer or that

447
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 3: quote unquote management buck that you shoot every year, It

448
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:28,119
Speaker 3: doesn't it doesn't do anything. And so that type of

449
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,720
Speaker 3: information is brought to the light as well, and it

450
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:34,919
Speaker 3: just kind of exposes that and you're like, oh my god,

451
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:39,480
Speaker 3: people are telling you not necessarily lies, but half truths.

452
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 3: And it was it's just kind of like a really

453
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 3: type moment.

454
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, there's it's. It's it's two things I think happened. One,

455
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 2: like the mediums of content back in the day just

456
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 2: weren't very conducive for like a deep understanding, you know,

457
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,639
Speaker 2: I think like the podcast and and just like the

458
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 2: explosion of long form like YouTube stuff too, has just

459
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 2: given the chance for people to like dive deep into

460
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:08,919
Speaker 2: things that you couldn't ten or fifteen years ago. Like

461
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 2: very few people would read a book, you know, back

462
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,639
Speaker 2: in the day about this stuff into the nitty gritty.

463
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 2: Just a few hardcore folks would, but a whole lot

464
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:18,880
Speaker 2: of people would listen to an hour and a half

465
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 2: with Bronson Strickland as he dives deep into that kind

466
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 2: of stuff, like you said, So that's that's certainly helped

467
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:30,119
Speaker 2: a big, a big substantial kind of way. Yeah. Yeah,

468
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,959
Speaker 2: I don't know, it's been it's been really interesting personally.

469
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 2: What you know, I could say two things. I can

470
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:41,359
Speaker 2: say one. Over the last ten years to your point, like,

471
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:44,680
Speaker 2: I feel like I have grown like leaps and bounds

472
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 2: as a deer hunter, Like I feel like a completely

473
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 2: different human being when it comes to you know, just

474
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:52,639
Speaker 2: understanding what to do, how to do it, when to

475
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 2: do it. Like I remember, back before the podcast, going

476
00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:00,359
Speaker 2: onto a new property with a buddy of mine letting

477
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 2: me hunt some property he had access to, and I

478
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,400
Speaker 2: just remember feeling so lost, like I had no idea

479
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 2: where to start. I walked out there, I'm like, man,

480
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 2: I don't really know. I mean I can walk. I'm

481
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:13,119
Speaker 2: going to walk around, find some rubs, some trails, and

482
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 2: just kind of hope and now you know, I can

483
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 2: set foot on new properties and just right away be like, okay,

484
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:22,399
Speaker 2: I know this, I know this, I don't know this

485
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,199
Speaker 2: in this, let's go figure it out and let's make

486
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 2: an assessment. And just like there's so many examples like

487
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 2: that where I feel a million times more confident yeah.

488
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 2: But I say all this to bring up two big

489
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 2: things that I heard in episode number one that I

490
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 2: am still experiencing today, Okay, And so I thought it

491
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,119
Speaker 2: might be interesting if you have anything that you heard

492
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 2: that you're still experienced, I can lead with mine. Yeah.

493
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 2: I so, listening to that first podcast, there were two

494
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,119
Speaker 2: things when we talked about when it came to you know,

495
00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 2: we talked about the best and worst moments of our

496
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 2: twenty thirteen season. And one of the things that I

497
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:08,120
Speaker 2: talked about is that I was having this really rough

498
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:10,879
Speaker 2: twenty thirteen season. I had had all these close calls,

499
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 2: nothing came together, made mistakes, YadA, YadA, YadA. And I

500
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 2: talked about how I had let myself get overstressed, overworked up,

501
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 2: bummed out about it. Just got too much pressure on

502
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 2: put too much pressure on myself to have success, et cetera,

503
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera. And that ended up being like

504
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 2: a ten year thing for me, right, I mean, that

505
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,880
Speaker 2: has been an annual thing. Listeners have heard me talk

506
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 2: about me just working through that, and it really wasn't

507
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 2: until last year that I felt like I had a

508
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 2: breakthrough and felt like I was finally getting past that

509
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 2: so that was interesting to me. That took me about

510
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 2: ten years to finally stop, to finally mature enough maybe

511
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 2: to stop being so worked up about a whether or

512
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 2: not I was able to achieve like the ultimate success

513
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 2: of my goal of killing a big deer and older

514
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 2: or whatever it was. And then also not caring what

515
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 2: other other people thought, and then if I could remove

516
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 2: those two things then just focus on, you know, the

517
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 2: experience itself and having fun. Like it took me ten years,

518
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 2: even in twenty thirteen, I knew it was a problem,

519
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 2: and it still took me ten years to you know,

520
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 2: work through that. And I'm not saying, you know, I'm

521
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 2: not saying it's a thing that I maybe will ever

522
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 2: fully move past. Maybe that's just part of my personality.

523
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 2: But I feel like, you know, last year was a

524
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 2: big fork in the road where I really moved past something.

525
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 2: So that was interesting to me, and I've talked about

526
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 2: on the show, and you and I have talked about

527
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 2: on the show. But I think it's just worth re emphasizing,

528
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 2: like I don't think there's been anything more important. I'm

529
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 2: guessing this because at the very beginning of it, but

530
00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 2: I'm guessing this will have been the most important I've

531
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 2: made in my hunting journey being able to get past that,

532
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 2: you know, obsession with am I good enough? Do people

533
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 2: think I'm good enough? Is this deer big enough? Did

534
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 2: I do good enough? And getting so worked up about

535
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 2: that and beating myself up for not doing it right,

536
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 2: or beating myself up if I didn't feel like I

537
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 2: gave it two thousand percent or everything went right, you know,

538
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 2: as soon as I was able to move past that

539
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 2: and start just focusing on enjoying it, you know, so

540
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 2: many things just it's like turning a movie from black

541
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 2: and white to color, is what it felt like last year. Yeah,

542
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 2: So I hope that's something that maybe other people can

543
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 2: learn from my mistakes. And maybe it's one of those

544
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 2: things you got to go through it on your own,

545
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 2: but maybe by hearing my tenure journey on that front,

546
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 2: some people have, you know, maybe followed along on that

547
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 2: same journey as me. The second thing I noticed that

548
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 2: I am still working through was I mentioned in twenty

549
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 2: thirteen that the worst moment of my season was when

550
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 2: I was hunting Ohio, big old blizzard pushed through. I

551
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 2: drove down to hunt southern Ohio to catch his coal front.

552
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 2: I got set up, couldn't climb into a tree stand

553
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 2: because it's too icy. So I'm hiding behind a tree,

554
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 2: standing on the edge of a bedding area and a

555
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 2: cup bean field, and this nice eight point buck comes

556
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 2: walking out, and I remember lining up on him and

557
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 2: taking a crack, and he just stands there. So I

558
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 2: reload the muzzleloader, take another crack, he just stands there.

559
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 2: Reload a third time, and then before I get fully reloaded,

560
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 2: he runs off. And I can't remember if I mentioned

561
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 2: the episode or not, but I also scoped myself on

562
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 2: one of those shots, so I had blood dripping down too.

563
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 2: So I talked about rushing the shot and like not

564
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 2: being fully in control in that moment, and that has

565
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 2: been a thing that has again been a reoccurring topic

566
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 2: of conversation these last ten years. I mean, I missed

567
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 2: that deer that year. The next year was the year

568
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 2: that I rushed the shot a little bit on Jawbreaker

569
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 2: and hit him, you know, back in then testines, Oh,

570
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 2: I don't know, I mean a handful. I've missed a

571
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 2: couple other deer since then. I missed that deer two

572
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 2: years ago in Iowa, missed an eight pointer in Michigan

573
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 2: somewhere in that window. So I had my I've had

574
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 2: my share of screwed up shots over these years, and

575
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 2: I've like tried different releases, and I've tried different processes,

576
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 2: and I've practiced my tail off. And last year I

577
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 2: went to an archery coach and totally rebuilt my shooting

578
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 2: style and process and I think that's helped, but I

579
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 2: know I'm still still not one hundred percent there. My goal,

580
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 2: one of my two goals last year, as you know

581
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 2: we talked about this. One of them was to have fun,

582
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 2: like to focus on what we just talked about, just

583
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 2: having fun. And then goal number two was only good shots,

584
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 2: like you got it, make good shots, and that was

585
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 2: so important to me, and so I kind of and

586
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 2: we'll talk about this in a little bit more, but

587
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 2: I kind of had I would give myself like a

588
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 2: b on that I only took good shots. So I

589
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 2: was really glad about that. I had opportunities at some

590
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 2: shots that I could have taken, but I chose not

591
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 2: to because like I just didn't want any I want

592
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 2: nothing but perfect. So I passed on a mature buck

593
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 2: two different times, once a little out of range and

594
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 2: once just I was not comfortable and steady, and I

595
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 2: just I didn't want to risk ruining a great season

596
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 2: with a bad hit or miss. So I was glad

597
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 2: about that I had. The first year I killed, I

598
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 2: felt really good about that shot. The second dear I killed,

599
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 2: felt decent about the shot. The third dear I killed,

600
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:54,239
Speaker 2: I felt like I still rushed it a little bit.

601
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:56,959
Speaker 2: And so I'm working through like these steps. I've got

602
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 2: this like four step process for my shot process. I'm

603
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 2: still not getting one hundred percent of the way through,

604
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 2: one hundred percent slow, one hundred percent of control. I'm

605
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 2: getting better, but I'm not on the way there. So

606
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 2: this is all to say that, like that has been

607
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 2: another one of those like always working on it kind

608
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,919
Speaker 2: of issues for me that maybe that's the case. Maybe

609
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 2: I know there's some people that don't deal with that

610
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 2: issue at all. And then I think there's probably other

611
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 2: people like me that you're probably good enough most of

612
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 2: the time, but is that okay? Do you want to

613
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 2: be just good enough most of the time or do

614
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 2: you want to get to the point where you are

615
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:31,879
Speaker 2: locked in perfect every time? And if that's what you're

616
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 2: trying to do, I think that is for some people,

617
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 2: I guess I can't speak for anyone by myself. For me,

618
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 2: that has been a year by year continued challenge to

619
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 2: keep on trying to work on getting one percent better

620
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:49,320
Speaker 2: whatever it is, because it's a it's a wild crazy

621
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 2: moment and says situations that I at least have continued

622
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 2: to have to work on. So those two things stood

623
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 2: up to me as like man, of of all the

624
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 2: things I made a ton of progress on, those two

625
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:06,399
Speaker 2: things have still been like my thing to bear over

626
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:10,399
Speaker 2: this decade. Yeah, what about you? What are your thoughts

627
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:11,800
Speaker 2: on that or yourself?

628
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 3: Yeah? So I think we were putting we were both

629
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:19,839
Speaker 3: putting a lot of pressure on ourselves that probably didn't

630
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:23,359
Speaker 3: need to We didn't need to put on ourselves, right,

631
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 3: both of us. But one thing that I I listened

632
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 3: to that was how hard, not efficient, but how hard

633
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 3: I was hunting back then compared to how hard I

634
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 3: am I'm hunting now, and that I would I was

635
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 3: worried about. You know, I still thought back then that

636
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 3: time in the woods. Now, don't get me wrong, time

637
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 3: in the woods is always a benefit. But if you're

638
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 3: sacrificing just to be in the woods versus laying off

639
00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 3: and accomplishing something else. I didn't necessarily understand the importance

640
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:05,800
Speaker 3: of that yet, and so man, I feel like I

641
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 3: was hunting really hard when I didn't need to be,

642
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 3: Especially like I knew that the first three weeks of October,

643
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 3: I probably didn't have that good of a shot at

644
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 3: going in and knocking down a good deer, and so

645
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 3: I was just I was going. And I think that

646
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,479
Speaker 3: over the last ten years, one thing that I feel

647
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 3: like I've gotten better at is just sitting back and observing.

648
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,399
Speaker 3: And that doesn't mean in the tree stand. That also

649
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 3: means at home, watching watching weather, watching cold fronts, watching

650
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 3: and observing deer behavior, you know, listening or learning from

651
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 3: what the trail cameras are telling me, taking all of

652
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 3: the past information that I've gained throughout the years and

653
00:36:56,400 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 3: kind of forming it into things that my brain could

654
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 3: digest and say, Okay, listen, dude, you don't need to

655
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 3: be doing this right now. Or hey, last year this,

656
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 3: you know, this terrain feature was really you know, was

657
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 3: really good. You should probably get back in there, or

658
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 3: you know that that paralysis by analysis type of thought process,

659
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 3: and really what's happened out of that has come more

660
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 3: of this fluid a strike when the iron's hot type mentality,

661
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 3: and I'm not I'm not worrying about being in the

662
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:38,360
Speaker 3: woods when I necessarily don't need to be.

663
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 2: You make a great point, like there's this difference between

664
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 2: working harder versus working smarter and an efficiency, and I

665
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 2: am right there with you. Like in those days, I

666
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 2: just thought you just needed to pound the ground NonStop

667
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 2: and be out there every single day you possibly could,

668
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,320
Speaker 2: and like that was like that was the way to success.

669
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 2: Was just like death by persistence somehow, you know, And

670
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 2: you're right, like I think we both have found the

671
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:15,360
Speaker 2: power of efficiency and doing things smarter versus like the

672
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 2: blunt force approach, a brute force approach. But I wonder

673
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 2: this could we have Could you really get to where

674
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 2: we are now, to where you can actually be efficient

675
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 2: successfully and know how to apply and when to strike

676
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 2: at the right moments? Can you ever get there if

677
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 2: you don't first go through the brute force approach of

678
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 2: just spending a ton of time out there, Like if

679
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 2: you couldn't if someone see That's what I'm wondering, is

680
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 2: I think that maybe that almost you almost have to

681
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 2: go through that to get that foundation of experience and

682
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 2: knowledge to ever be able to understand, you know, when's

683
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:54,359
Speaker 2: the right moment, when's not, or when's the right time

684
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 2: to push versus when's the right time to stay back.

685
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 2: Even though we can look back and say there was

686
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:00,320
Speaker 2: a mistake, maybe it was a good mistake, you know

687
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 2: what I mean?

688
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly. So if we're going to go back,

689
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 3: I want to go back to two thousand and six.

690
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,879
Speaker 3: That's a that's a that's a year for me when

691
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,399
Speaker 3: I said to myself, Okay, I'm wanna, I'm gonna start

692
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:16,760
Speaker 3: taking bow hunting serious again. And I went blunt force

693
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 3: and I went quantity of hunts. But that allowed me

694
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 3: to learn a whole bunch of different things. In the

695
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 3: next I would say ten ten seasons of hunting. And

696
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 3: so the thing that really and it's not it's not

697
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 3: hunting related, but it is a reason why I had

698
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 3: to be more efficient with my hunting. Episode number one,

699
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 3: I had a one month old baby, my first child,

700
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 3: a one month old baby in the house, and so

701
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 3: I mean, there's no other reason way to to put

702
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 3: a halt to hunting, like kids, right, having having kids,

703
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:03,320
Speaker 3: especially a newborn in the house, and so my time

704
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 3: then was more on not necessarily hunting itself, but thinking

705
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:13,360
Speaker 3: about hunting, and with that came planning for hunting and

706
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:17,839
Speaker 3: kind of changing my mindset to you know, the old

707
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:21,320
Speaker 3: style of war where two people would line up across

708
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 3: from each other and just just battle it out instead

709
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:27,840
Speaker 3: of being tactical and flanking, and you know, you know

710
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 3: what I mean. And so yeah, it's it's that twenty thirteen.

711
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 3: Right when we started it. I feel like you were

712
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 3: still in it and I was not. I was still

713
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 3: in it, but I was on my way out of

714
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 3: it because I had to. Yeah.

715
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's amazing how a family will do that.

716
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

717
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 2: Here's the thing I think though, if I'm if I

718
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 2: am listening to this podcast right now and I am

719
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:57,279
Speaker 2: just starting a few years into hunting, or I'm young,

720
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:01,359
Speaker 2: maybe I'm twenty, maybe I'm what it is, I think

721
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 2: if I were listening to this or to that person

722
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 2: listening right now, who is that person? I would tell

723
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 2: you don't necessarily rush to try to be the person

724
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:14,360
Speaker 2: that Dan and I or be like hunting in the

725
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 2: way that Dan and I are talking. Yet, like, don't

726
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 2: you know our mutual friend Tony Peterson likes to, you know,

727
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 2: just hammer on this a lot. Don't make excuses not

728
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 2: to be in the woods. Don't look for excuses not

729
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 2: to be in the woods, especially when you're still in

730
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,320
Speaker 2: this like real figuring out kind of stage.

731
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:31,839
Speaker 3: Right.

732
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 2: Don't let the weather forecast like if you have a

733
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 2: weekend open to hunt, and right, you've got limited time

734
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 2: and this weekend's your weekend. You've got to hunt, but

735
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:42,840
Speaker 2: the weather looks bad, like, don't let that keep you

736
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,879
Speaker 2: from hunting. You need to get this experience. You need

737
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 2: to get those days in the field. Don't don't get

738
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:53,720
Speaker 2: ahead of yourself. Don't worry too much about efficiency before

739
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 2: you have a foundation. Now, certainly think about that efficiency,

740
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 2: think about the things we're talking about and try to help,

741
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 2: you know, let that help you use your quantity it

742
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 2: more effectively. Right, But but don't use these things as

743
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:12,760
Speaker 2: excuses not to go, because early on there's nothing more useful.

744
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 2: You know, we talked about this in the beginning, right,

745
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 2: I mean it's like we couldn't we couldn't even understand

746
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 2: what our podcast guests were saying during those first ten

747
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 2: episodes or whatever in a real full way because we

748
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 2: didn't even have enough of a foundation in context ourselves

749
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:31,320
Speaker 2: if we were to listen to those episodes now, like

750
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 2: when we talk to these other expert guests, I bet

751
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 2: you we would get a lot more from it now

752
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 2: because we have ten more years of personal experience, ten

753
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 2: more years of context, ten more years of success and

754
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:45,839
Speaker 2: failure that now you know, we've got to We've going

755
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 2: back to like the throwing spaghetti at the wall and

756
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:50,319
Speaker 2: seeing what sticks, like we have a much stickier wall.

757
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 2: Probably now, like we a lot of more of these

758
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 2: things will make sense to us or we will be

759
00:42:55,680 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 2: able to use just because we've we've built this level

760
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 2: of understanding that's going to make everything else so much

761
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:06,919
Speaker 2: more useful. So don't don't think that you can skip

762
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 2: that process. So get out there and you can be

763
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,359
Speaker 2: smarter about how you do that, right. I mean, if

764
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:16,320
Speaker 2: I were to look back at what I did you

765
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 2: know in twenty thirteen, I guess I'll use this as

766
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:20,360
Speaker 2: an example. Twenty thirteen season I was definitely in the

767
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 2: quantity over quality kind of mode. I thought, Man, every

768
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 2: single day, I got to be out there. So I

769
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 2: had a Michigan property that I've just pounded to death

770
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 2: because I felt like I had to be out there.

771
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 2: So I probably hunted it. I don't know, twenty thirty

772
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 2: days something like that of you know, a three month season,

773
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 2: and this is like seventy acres or something like that,

774
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,359
Speaker 2: seventy eighty acres that I was out there that many times,

775
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 2: maybe more than that, and I think I've probably did

776
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 2: like two weeks straight of like all day sits, So

777
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 2: I mean a ton of hours in the same place

778
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 2: and getting the same results, like not seeing the deer

779
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 2: I was after. So maybe in a different world, what

780
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:03,880
Speaker 2: I could have done if I'm still at that phase

781
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 2: where I need time and feel to build that foundation,

782
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 2: but I could have spread it out. I could have

783
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 2: hunted a couple days on that property and then do

784
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 2: some more public land stuff, or I probably should have

785
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 2: knocked on more doors and got permission on some other places.

786
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 2: Like spreading out your pressure is one of those things

787
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 2: that still to this day is super important. And that

788
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 2: was something that I knew that back then, like I

789
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 2: knew it intellectually, but I did not know how to

790
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 2: do that or wasn't willing to put in the right

791
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:35,319
Speaker 2: kind of work to make that possible. So I guess

792
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 2: that's my point here is there's something to be said

793
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:42,320
Speaker 2: for hunting smarter versus just pounding your head against the

794
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 2: wall a thousand times. But there is value in that

795
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:48,320
Speaker 2: pounding your head against the wall, and you can't skip it.

796
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 2: Like there's no fast forward button, there's no silver bullet.

797
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 2: There's nothing that someone could have told me, or there's

798
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 2: no product I could have bought. There's no book I

799
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,919
Speaker 2: could have read. There's nothing that I could have done

800
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 2: on Spring twenty thirteen, right then and there that would

801
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 2: have gotten me to where I am today. Right easily.

802
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:14,720
Speaker 2: I had to go through these ten years of mistakes, failures, successes, lessons,

803
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 2: lots of days in the field, and you got to

804
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 2: just go through that with that constant, open eyed perspective

805
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 2: of what kind of learned from this? Why did this happen,

806
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 2: Why did this work, why did this not work? What

807
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 2: should I try different? I mean that if anything out

808
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,320
Speaker 2: of the last ten years has been like hammered into me,

809
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 2: it's like taking that approach to this learning, learning, learning,

810
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:41,359
Speaker 2: asking why testing, testing, testing, If you do those things,

811
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 2: you can get you can make progress.

812
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, And even when you get into that that point

813
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 3: where you know what you need to do and you

814
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 3: you even apply it to the woods, there was still

815
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 3: a period of time when I was getting frustrated because

816
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 3: the results weren't coming. So the perfect example would have

817
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 3: been twenty fourteen and twenty fifteen season. I was, I

818
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 3: was not necessarily hunting as hard because I had, you know,

819
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 3: kids at that point. But then I also, like I

820
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:19,919
Speaker 3: really wanted it, and so I was getting frustrated when

821
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 3: things weren't Like when I would make the perfect access route,

822
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 3: I would go in and the target animal just wouldn't

823
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 3: show up, so I would I would hold that frustration

824
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:35,799
Speaker 3: these days, dude, like if I don't see a deer,

825
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:40,759
Speaker 3: I understand, right, I get it, And now I don't

826
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 3: get frustrated anymore. I know that deer don't always do

827
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 3: the same thing all the time, and there's very rarely

828
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 3: ever like a slam dunk sure thing in this world

829
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:57,880
Speaker 3: when it comes to bow hunting mature white tails specifically,

830
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 3: and so I you just gotta go with the flow

831
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:04,279
Speaker 3: and stay calm, and and you know it doesn't work out,

832
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 3: you know, try it again the next time and and

833
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 3: then it will then it'll work out. But I don't know,

834
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:14,319
Speaker 3: I was. I can just remember getting so worked up

835
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 3: when I would when I would apply the strategy perfectly

836
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:21,399
Speaker 3: and nothing would happen out of it, which just kind

837
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 3: of leads us to say, you're not in control at all.

838
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, so true, There's there's a lot out of your hands.

839
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 2: All you can do is control what you can and

840
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:37,959
Speaker 2: then let the rest slide, Let the rest like hit

841
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 2: your back and bounce off. You know, there's you just

842
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 2: gotta kind of, like you said, roll the punches, roll

843
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 2: the situation, and remember like this is just I always

844
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 2: have to remind myself of this, like why are we

845
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 2: out there doing this? We're doing this because it's supposed

846
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:52,360
Speaker 2: to be fun. This is like, this is our hobby,

847
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 2: this is our passion, this is our lifestyle, this is

848
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:57,359
Speaker 2: this thing that we claim to love so much. Why

849
00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 2: in the world are we sitting out there beating ourselves

850
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 2: up and making ourselves miserable while we're doing it. I

851
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 2: don't think people do that when they like, I don't know,

852
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:06,800
Speaker 2: when their hobby is a video game and they like

853
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 2: playing a video game, or when people like to watch sports,

854
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 2: or when people like to play maybe people play golf

855
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 2: beat themselves up, but I don't know. You know, you're

856
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 2: doing this because you're trying to have fun. Why are

857
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 2: you letting. Why are you making it so serious that

858
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 2: you are stealing that away from yourself? Yeah, I mean

859
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 2: I just go back and over and over, like nobody

860
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 2: cares if you kill a deer.

861
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 3: No, Nope, especially in today's world. Even if you do

862
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:36,279
Speaker 3: kill a deer, a giant deer, and you post it

863
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:39,839
Speaker 3: and all that stuff, people forget about it in yeah,

864
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 3: half a day or a week or whatever, right, and

865
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 3: it's onto the next thing. So that's why it's like,

866
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 3: and just to finish your thought there, I mean, it

867
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 3: is truly about you and nobody else.

868
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you just I mean, like we talked about,

869
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 2: that's been a process for me. It's taken me a

870
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 2: long time. It's easier said than done. But man, is

871
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 2: that's just so so critical because the fund can be

872
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 2: sucked out of this fast if you let it. But

873
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:13,320
Speaker 2: at the same time, it can be reclaimed very easily

874
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 2: with just like that attitude shift. It's totally a mental shift.

875
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 2: So we're kind of talking about this, like from twenty

876
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:36,720
Speaker 2: thirteen to now, how we've progressed. I think the twenty

877
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 2: twenty two season, I guess is a perfect example of

878
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:41,479
Speaker 2: what that progression could be because we can compare twenty

879
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 2: twenty two to twenty twenty thirteen. And so what we

880
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 2: probably should have done was I should have probably told

881
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:51,359
Speaker 2: people the week before this to go back and listen

882
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 2: to episode one that everyone listening now would have had

883
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:56,799
Speaker 2: the same context that we have. But maybe people can

884
00:49:56,840 --> 00:50:00,719
Speaker 2: do that afterwards. But anyways, worst moment of your twenty

885
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:03,319
Speaker 2: twenty two season and then the best moments of our

886
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:06,279
Speaker 2: twenty two two season, does it? Does something come to

887
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 2: mind for you were out the gate? Or do you

888
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 2: want me to start and let's start with the worst.

889
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 2: We'll start with the bad, will I'm with the good?

890
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:15,719
Speaker 3: Okay? So here's where this mindset really comes into play

891
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 3: is that, like, when you think about it, there really

892
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:25,800
Speaker 3: is no bad part, especially if you keep a positive

893
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:28,399
Speaker 3: mental attitude. I mean, you're outside, you're doing what you love,

894
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 3: and you know, as long as you're healthy and as

895
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:33,800
Speaker 3: long as you can get out and you have a

896
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:37,799
Speaker 3: place to hunt and you know you're able to get out.

897
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 3: You know, however, many times that your schedule and lifestyle allows, Man,

898
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 3: that's a good Like I've realized that's a good thing.

899
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:49,239
Speaker 3: That's a that's a really good thing. So if you

900
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:51,440
Speaker 3: take that layer off of it then, And you want

901
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:55,239
Speaker 3: to talk about things that didn't go right, man, I

902
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 3: don't like I don't it would It would be hard

903
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:03,799
Speaker 3: for me to nitpick something in my twenty twenty two

904
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 3: season where I was like, oh, that sucks. I got

905
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:11,840
Speaker 3: bit by a dog in South Dakota and that is

906
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:14,320
Speaker 3: the that was literally the worst part of my season

907
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 3: from a strategy standpoint, I'm not one hundred percent sure

908
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 3: of what I could have done better in order to

909
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 3: you know, from from a Western Yeah, I'm sure there's

910
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 3: a whole bunch of things, but I'm in that learning

911
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:32,319
Speaker 3: process still. Iowa tree stand saddle hunting. Man, I don't

912
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:36,280
Speaker 3: think I did anything too terribly wrong. I just applied

913
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 3: the method that I have been for the last ten years,

914
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 3: and you know, I got the job done.

915
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 2: That's a good thing.

916
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good thing.

917
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:49,279
Speaker 2: That's a very good thing. And I like your point,

918
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:53,840
Speaker 2: like you don't even you can almost eliminate the idea

919
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 2: of like a worst moment or a bad moment just

920
00:51:56,120 --> 00:52:00,800
Speaker 2: with your attitude. Yeah, that's a really good point. So

921
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 2: my worst moment I had a fleeting worst moment and

922
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:10,400
Speaker 2: it was one that again comes down to like how

923
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 2: you deal with it with your mental attitude. And that

924
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:17,920
Speaker 2: was the night I shot my Nebraska buck. And so,

925
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 2: like I mentioned a few minutes ago, you know, my

926
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:23,320
Speaker 2: one of my two goals going to last year was

927
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 2: good shots only right. I just wanted to make perfect shots.

928
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 2: That was this thing that I worked on so hard

929
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:31,320
Speaker 2: last year and just wanted to be perfect. And so

930
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 2: this deer that I got a shot at, it was

931
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 2: the first night of this hunt in Nebraska. This great, big,

932
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 2: giant seven pointer comes in and I shoot him, and

933
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:44,759
Speaker 2: in the moment, it was right before the end of

934
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 2: shooting light, and he dropped and I just couldn't tell

935
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:50,239
Speaker 2: where I hit him. I thought I maybe shot right

936
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:52,320
Speaker 2: over him, and the like the first second after I

937
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 2: shot him, I thought I shot over and I thought

938
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:57,719
Speaker 2: I missed. So I was pissed off that I thought

939
00:52:57,760 --> 00:52:59,320
Speaker 2: I missed this deer. I couldn't believe I blew it.

940
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:01,439
Speaker 2: And I think about all these things I just said.

941
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 2: I rebuilt my shooting process. I'd worked so hard with this,

942
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:08,400
Speaker 2: you know, just shot a doll last week, killed a

943
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 2: nice belt a couple weeks before that. Like, I thought

944
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:13,360
Speaker 2: I was making such good progress, and then this thing happened. Again.

945
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 2: So I was devastating that moment that I let it

946
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 2: happen again, went down, checked the arrow and actually did

947
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:24,279
Speaker 2: have pretty good blood on the arrow, and so, okay, now,

948
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 2: so I did hit it. I must have hit him high,

949
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:29,840
Speaker 2: because I just felt like in that moment, I just

950
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 2: felt like it it was high and I couldn't tell

951
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:34,320
Speaker 2: if I grazed the top or hit high or missed above.

952
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 2: It was something like that. So now see the blood,

953
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 2: see the arrow, get in the blood trail, end up

954
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 2: having pretty good blood, track the deer a couple hundred yards,

955
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 2: and then the blood kinds of dries up, and now

956
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:48,480
Speaker 2: I'm more like, man, are we pushing this deer? I

957
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:50,799
Speaker 2: just don't know, and end up backing out for the night,

958
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:52,759
Speaker 2: decide I'm gonna come back in the next morning and

959
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 2: try to pick it up with daylight. So that night

960
00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 2: was the worst moment of my season, because I mean,

961
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:02,759
Speaker 2: we've all been most of us have been there where

962
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:05,440
Speaker 2: you just don't know if you're gonna find that deer,

963
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 2: if you wounded it, if you killed it, if you

964
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:12,120
Speaker 2: didn't you know what happened, Like those moments when you're

965
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:13,919
Speaker 2: on a blood trail and it's just like not going

966
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 2: the way you wanted to, and you're just not sure

967
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:19,800
Speaker 2: what's gonna happen, and you're feeling increasingly increasingly anxious, Like

968
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 2: those are those are tough moments. And so that night,

969
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:25,319
Speaker 2: laying in bed, I was just like you know, leading

970
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:27,239
Speaker 2: into the season, I was just sick of I don't

971
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:29,279
Speaker 2: I don't want any more missus. I don't want any

972
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:32,760
Speaker 2: more bad hits. I'm just so over that and trying

973
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:35,839
Speaker 2: everything I possibly can do to eliminate that, even though

974
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:37,800
Speaker 2: I know you can't on one hundred percent eliminate it.

975
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 2: So I was beating myself up pretty bad about that.

976
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 2: That was my low point.

977
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 4: Now.

978
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 2: Fortunately, the next morning we went out there and the

979
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 2: deer was like ten yards away from where he stopped.

980
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:51,239
Speaker 2: He was right in front of us. I don't know

981
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:53,759
Speaker 2: how we didn't see him, and it ended up being

982
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:54,759
Speaker 2: a double long shot.

983
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 3: It was.

984
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 2: It was high, high, top of both lungs, but he

985
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 2: was dead right away. I just got unlucky that we

986
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:04,360
Speaker 2: stopped a little bit too soon. So I ended up

987
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 2: working out okay. Now, like I mentioned earlier, I still

988
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:09,880
Speaker 2: could have slowed down more on that shot, so I

989
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:11,080
Speaker 2: know I still have work to do.

990
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:11,359
Speaker 4: There.

991
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 2: But that was my worst moment. Yeah, and it fortunately

992
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:19,280
Speaker 2: led still had a good outcome, still a good teaching moment.

993
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:23,080
Speaker 2: But I had that one moment during the season where

994
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 2: I was feeling rough. So that was the worst moment

995
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:27,279
Speaker 2: for me.

996
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 3: I guess if I was going to break it down,

997
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:31,680
Speaker 3: I had. I had that moment with a buck I

998
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 3: shot here in Iowa this year. I mean that whole

999
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:38,279
Speaker 3: debacle where my arrow fell out of my bow. He

1000
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:41,880
Speaker 3: saw it happen, and then he kind of took a

1001
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:45,440
Speaker 3: couple backward steps and started flanking away and I shot,

1002
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 3: You know, I I shot him while he was taking

1003
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 3: small steps and I ended up hitting him, you know,

1004
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 3: back liver guts, right and so and so if I

1005
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:02,080
Speaker 3: was really going to break all that down apart, maybe

1006
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 3: I would have done something a little bit different. But

1007
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 3: also it's a perfect example of you kind of got

1008
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:12,440
Speaker 3: to be ready for anything, and and you know that

1009
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:17,640
Speaker 3: that was a that was the low part of that story.

1010
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 2: In am I am? I remembering this story?

1011
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:22,920
Speaker 4: Ray?

1012
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:24,760
Speaker 2: Is this the one where you brought in a drone

1013
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:26,880
Speaker 2: and stuff and then you ended up like stumbling on

1014
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:28,759
Speaker 2: him later though, when you finally did find him.

1015
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:33,880
Speaker 3: Oh no, dog, Yeah, dog. A dog came in, and

1016
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:38,839
Speaker 3: a dog came in found a different dead, different buck,

1017
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:42,680
Speaker 3: a different buck, and I was like, no way I

1018
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:43,479
Speaker 3: shot this buck.

1019
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:45,279
Speaker 2: No way I shot this buck.

1020
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:48,400
Speaker 3: Right, he was like one hundred and thirty inch eight pointer,

1021
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:50,760
Speaker 3: I mean, just tiny.

1022
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:56,440
Speaker 2: And and so I was like, there's thousands of Michigan

1023
00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:58,279
Speaker 2: hunters right now who are pissed at you for calling me.

1024
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 3: Point two year old one hundred and thirty class, you know.

1025
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:08,680
Speaker 3: But anyways, but anyway, and I'm just like, no way,

1026
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:10,359
Speaker 3: I shot this deer. And I was I was about

1027
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:13,399
Speaker 3: ready to tag him, and like, say, okay, I guess

1028
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 3: I shot this deer. And I go, one second, I'm

1029
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 3: gonna look for the wound channel here because I know

1030
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:23,120
Speaker 3: where I hit him. And there was no woond channel

1031
00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 3: at all. And so the guy with a dog we

1032
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:28,520
Speaker 3: went for a little bit longer, and he's like, hey man,

1033
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 3: this buck here is ruining this dog's or this dog scent.

1034
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 3: This deer is ruining this dog scent because he can't

1035
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:40,680
Speaker 3: find a scent trail if this dead deer is in

1036
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:43,480
Speaker 3: the area. So I went back out there later that

1037
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:45,440
Speaker 3: afternoon and ended up finding him.

1038
00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:50,240
Speaker 2: Yeah. That was a wild one. Yeah, wild, and I

1039
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 2: don't know was that was when you did find that buck.

1040
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:55,120
Speaker 2: Was that the best moment of your season when that

1041
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:58,240
Speaker 2: worry all of a sudden disappeared, or what was your

1042
00:57:58,280 --> 00:57:59,200
Speaker 2: best moment? Would you say?

1043
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, I would say this whole hunt was just

1044
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:07,760
Speaker 3: the fact that I wasn't able to get used as

1045
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:10,160
Speaker 3: meat because the coyotes got to him before I did,

1046
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 3: and so that that was a low part, I guess

1047
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:17,400
Speaker 3: you would say too. But the cool part about this

1048
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 3: was I would say, the thing that I'm happy with

1049
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:24,760
Speaker 3: is that this was on a brand new farm that

1050
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:29,640
Speaker 3: I got access to in I think it was late

1051
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:34,960
Speaker 3: August or it was late August or September. And then

1052
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:36,840
Speaker 3: I went in and I know it must have been

1053
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:39,840
Speaker 3: late August or something like that, and I threw up

1054
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:43,200
Speaker 3: trail camera like I threw up one trail camera. I

1055
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:47,320
Speaker 3: started the process of e scouting. I didn't want to

1056
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:49,400
Speaker 3: go in and do it. I hunted a couple times

1057
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:51,560
Speaker 3: in October, started to figure it out a little bit.

1058
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:54,640
Speaker 3: And so the positive or the good takeaway there is

1059
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:58,720
Speaker 3: that I applied my method to this farm and I

1060
00:58:59,840 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 3: got success. And so it just I don't know it

1061
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:07,080
Speaker 3: it kept encouraging me that hey, what I'm doing is right,

1062
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:09,040
Speaker 3: it is working, so keep doing it.

1063
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:13,439
Speaker 2: That's such a good feeling, like when you when you're

1064
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 2: trying something and seeing those positive results come back real time.

1065
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:19,439
Speaker 3: Yep.

1066
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:22,360
Speaker 2: That's that is one of the very coolest things about

1067
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:25,520
Speaker 2: deer hunting. There's like a whole lot of places in

1068
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:29,000
Speaker 2: life where you can try some new thing, implement some

1069
00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:31,880
Speaker 2: new strategy and just take it. You won't see the

1070
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:36,000
Speaker 2: results clearly, but in deer hunting you can usually many

1071
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:38,960
Speaker 2: times get like pretty quick feedback like does this work

1072
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:41,000
Speaker 2: or does this not? Did I make progress or did

1073
00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:43,280
Speaker 2: I not? Was this the right move?

1074
00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:43,880
Speaker 4: Was it not.

1075
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:47,840
Speaker 2: It's a pretty tangible thing most of the time, and

1076
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:49,880
Speaker 2: that's I think that's part of what makes it so fun.

1077
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:54,000
Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely absolutely, And I'm on a roll with that,

1078
00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:58,120
Speaker 3: and so it's it's encouraging when I can say, hey, man,

1079
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:02,600
Speaker 3: my method worked in My method worked in twenty twenty two,

1080
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:05,400
Speaker 3: it worked in twenty twenty one, it worked. I got

1081
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:10,080
Speaker 3: lucky in twenty twenty with the deer when I saw

1082
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:12,160
Speaker 3: him raking a tree as I'm walking into the timber.

1083
01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:17,400
Speaker 3: It worked in twenty nineteen, it worked in twenty eighteen,

1084
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:19,920
Speaker 3: and then the other two were kind of just more

1085
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:24,280
Speaker 3: of well I would if I want to be serious

1086
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:27,120
Speaker 3: about it. It's worked for the last ten seasons since

1087
01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:31,200
Speaker 3: twenty sixteen, well not ten seasons, but twenty sixteen. And

1088
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:36,320
Speaker 3: so it's re encouraging that that, you know, I mean

1089
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:42,800
Speaker 3: ten years of shooting a target buck. That's that's that's

1090
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:45,480
Speaker 3: reassuring to me that, hey, man, you just keep just

1091
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:49,160
Speaker 3: keep doing what you're doing, be able to be mobile,

1092
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:52,200
Speaker 3: be able to have different thoughts and ideas, and then

1093
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 3: apply it how you see fit. And when it works

1094
01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:58,520
Speaker 3: like that, man, it feels pretty good. Yeah.

1095
01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:05,240
Speaker 2: I can't argue with that. My best moment then yes,

1096
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:10,959
Speaker 2: And I'll say moments this. So I guess my worst

1097
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:12,960
Speaker 2: and best both relate to the two goals I had

1098
01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:15,160
Speaker 2: last year. So if if the worst one was related

1099
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:19,120
Speaker 2: to my shooting goal, my best part is related to

1100
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:23,920
Speaker 2: the keep a fun goal. And one of the big

1101
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:26,440
Speaker 2: things I did last year was was pull back on

1102
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:31,640
Speaker 2: planning hunts or scheduling things that are just going to

1103
01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:33,120
Speaker 2: be like what's going to give you the best chance

1104
01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:38,120
Speaker 2: to kill big deer, and instead like prioritize fun. And

1105
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:42,560
Speaker 2: part of that is prioritize, like your family, and and

1106
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:46,400
Speaker 2: so that led to some experiences that are, without a doubt,

1107
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:48,840
Speaker 2: like highlights of my season. So one of those highlights

1108
01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:51,600
Speaker 2: was carving out a big chunk of time to go

1109
01:01:51,720 --> 01:01:53,840
Speaker 2: to my family deer camp and be up there with

1110
01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:57,400
Speaker 2: my dad and take my son effort first first, like

1111
01:01:57,600 --> 01:02:00,800
Speaker 2: full deer camp kind of weak almost like four days

1112
01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:03,440
Speaker 2: I think we have. And so just getting to have

1113
01:02:03,640 --> 01:02:05,880
Speaker 2: him up the cabin for an extended period of time

1114
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:09,560
Speaker 2: hunting with me every day, you know, just like seeing

1115
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:13,320
Speaker 2: his joy in those experiences was just so cool. Like

1116
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:16,520
Speaker 2: one day we found a buck track and so it's

1117
01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:18,440
Speaker 2: basically let's do whatever's fun. So I was like, do

1118
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:20,120
Speaker 2: you want to track this buck? It's like, yeah, let's

1119
01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:23,479
Speaker 2: do it. And so We're tracking this buck through the snow,

1120
01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:25,240
Speaker 2: and I'm assuming it's a buck based on the track,

1121
01:02:26,040 --> 01:02:28,080
Speaker 2: and We're in this thick pine stand. It was very

1122
01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:30,680
Speaker 2: deep snow, and every once in a while there was

1123
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:33,720
Speaker 2: like big clumps of snow that would fall out of

1124
01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:36,440
Speaker 2: the pine trees and collapse down the ground. And so

1125
01:02:36,640 --> 01:02:39,000
Speaker 2: sometimes that would happen like way off in the distance,

1126
01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:41,400
Speaker 2: and it would look like like a big dark thing

1127
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:44,560
Speaker 2: moving off in the distance. Okay. So at one point

1128
01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:47,000
Speaker 2: we're tracking along and he's so excited and I'm, you know,

1129
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:49,040
Speaker 2: getting them pumped up about it and stuff, and all

1130
01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:51,480
Speaker 2: of a sudden he sees what must have been, at

1131
01:02:51,560 --> 01:02:53,520
Speaker 2: least I'm assuming must have been one of these clumps

1132
01:02:53,560 --> 01:02:55,480
Speaker 2: of snow falling way off in the distance. Like, Dad,

1133
01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:57,480
Speaker 2: I just saw the buck go off from the distance.

1134
01:02:57,560 --> 01:02:59,320
Speaker 2: I just saw him, Dad, I saw him, and I

1135
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:01,440
Speaker 2: was like, oh man, that's awesome. He's just up there.

1136
01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:04,000
Speaker 2: We were both really excited. And then he turns to

1137
01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:06,680
Speaker 2: me because he's facing towards it, towards this what I

1138
01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:09,640
Speaker 2: assumed to be a fake deer. He turns back towards

1139
01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:12,720
Speaker 2: me and he says, I have tears in my eyes

1140
01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:15,840
Speaker 2: because I'm so excited, and I see tears coming down

1141
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:19,840
Speaker 2: his cheeks. He's so excited and fired up by the

1142
01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:22,640
Speaker 2: fact that we maybe saw this buck. He was crying

1143
01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:26,000
Speaker 2: from joy. I mean, that was just like, I mean,

1144
01:03:26,040 --> 01:03:27,480
Speaker 2: can you imagine anything better than that?

1145
01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:28,360
Speaker 3: Right? Yeah?

1146
01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:31,160
Speaker 2: So I got to go and spend deer camp with him,

1147
01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:33,360
Speaker 2: and then later in the year I took him out

1148
01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:35,680
Speaker 2: on a number of other hunts back in southern Michigan.

1149
01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:39,600
Speaker 2: We had like really fun experiences, saw a lot of deer,

1150
01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:42,640
Speaker 2: got to see a buck that we were after, so

1151
01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:46,240
Speaker 2: he was fired up about it. And then I was

1152
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:49,840
Speaker 2: able to kill two different bucks locally in Michigan that

1153
01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:52,160
Speaker 2: both of my sons were able to come out and

1154
01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:54,560
Speaker 2: help me track. So I got to have my boys

1155
01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:59,640
Speaker 2: there to help orcover two different bucks. Just like so cool.

1156
01:03:59,640 --> 01:04:01,640
Speaker 2: And this is the first year that Colt, my youngest,

1157
01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:04,920
Speaker 2: was like old enough to really get it too. And uh,

1158
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:07,720
Speaker 2: just having them there, being on the blood trail, having

1159
01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:09,640
Speaker 2: them be so excited to walk up on the deer

1160
01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:13,040
Speaker 2: and all that kind of stuff. That was by far

1161
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:16,040
Speaker 2: the coolest stuff of the year. Just being there with

1162
01:04:16,120 --> 01:04:19,840
Speaker 2: the boys, having them experience that, having them actually like understand,

1163
01:04:20,120 --> 01:04:23,280
Speaker 2: be excited about it, geeked out about it, getting to

1164
01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:27,800
Speaker 2: interact and see the things out there. Those were hugh

1165
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:31,520
Speaker 2: two highlights. Yeah, and just such a great reminder of

1166
01:04:32,040 --> 01:04:33,120
Speaker 2: you know what really matters?

1167
01:04:34,080 --> 01:04:37,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, agree, one hundred percent. Man, I love like, I

1168
01:04:37,800 --> 01:04:42,040
Speaker 3: don't know again, what's the same and what's different. My

1169
01:04:42,120 --> 01:04:44,960
Speaker 3: same is the same as my passion for this. But

1170
01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:48,200
Speaker 3: what's different is that I don't care. I just want

1171
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:50,200
Speaker 3: to be like if you ask me, hey, Dane, what

1172
01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:52,000
Speaker 3: do you want to do? All day long? Every day?

1173
01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:53,640
Speaker 3: I just want to hang out with my kids. Man,

1174
01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:56,840
Speaker 3: That's all I want to do. And so whether that's

1175
01:04:56,920 --> 01:05:00,680
Speaker 3: doing my passion or doing something that they love, I'm

1176
01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:03,840
Speaker 3: realizing that I have this passion, but that my passion

1177
01:05:04,120 --> 01:05:07,720
Speaker 3: is really secondary to everything else in my life. And

1178
01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:09,880
Speaker 3: so if I can get my kids to come and

1179
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:12,320
Speaker 3: do these things with me, which so far they like

1180
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:16,200
Speaker 3: to do, awesome. But if not, man, I don't care.

1181
01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:20,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, And man, that's been such a great reminder. Like

1182
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:24,080
Speaker 2: We've talked about this in previous years, but one of

1183
01:05:24,160 --> 01:05:27,720
Speaker 2: the best little tools that I've had now to help

1184
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:30,800
Speaker 2: reverse any kind of downer feeling I'm getting when I'm hunting,

1185
01:05:31,120 --> 01:05:33,120
Speaker 2: if I'm out there. And I did this when I

1186
01:05:33,160 --> 01:05:35,320
Speaker 2: thought I when I wasn't sure about that shot on

1187
01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:38,080
Speaker 2: that Nebraska buck, and I was beating myself up. Whenever

1188
01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:39,800
Speaker 2: I found like myself at the moment like that, I

1189
01:05:39,840 --> 01:05:42,280
Speaker 2: always remember, like in the end, this does not matter

1190
01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:44,960
Speaker 2: that much. Like I still have my kid, my kids

1191
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:47,840
Speaker 2: are healthy, I've got a wonderful family. I'm gonna go home,

1192
01:05:48,040 --> 01:05:50,000
Speaker 2: you know, next week and get to give them a

1193
01:05:50,080 --> 01:05:52,440
Speaker 2: hug at night, read them a story like that's the

1194
01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:56,360
Speaker 2: only thing that really really really matters. So that perspective

1195
01:05:57,160 --> 01:06:04,120
Speaker 2: is so important. Absolutely, so that said, Dan, And that's

1196
01:06:04,120 --> 01:06:07,480
Speaker 2: another thing like I've been saying that said for ten

1197
01:06:07,560 --> 01:06:10,240
Speaker 2: years now, over and over again, an obnoxious amount of

1198
01:06:10,280 --> 01:06:17,320
Speaker 2: the time. So that being said, quickly, let's preview for

1199
01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:19,800
Speaker 2: folks a little snippet of what they have to look

1200
01:06:19,880 --> 01:06:22,680
Speaker 2: forward to as far as our stories for the twenty

1201
01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:25,800
Speaker 2: twenty three season. What do you have planned so far?

1202
01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:30,640
Speaker 3: You know, it's always Iowa. You know, it's always going

1203
01:06:30,720 --> 01:06:34,120
Speaker 3: through the process. You know here next month in June.

1204
01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:36,760
Speaker 3: I'm going to be not sure when this launches, but

1205
01:06:37,800 --> 01:06:41,880
Speaker 3: June is usually camera deployment month for me. And get

1206
01:06:41,920 --> 01:06:44,600
Speaker 3: some get a little mineral out. There's some places where

1207
01:06:44,600 --> 01:06:47,360
Speaker 3: I've already dumped the mineral, get some cameras over there,

1208
01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:52,600
Speaker 3: start taking inventory. Collecting velvet pictures is probably, to this

1209
01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:56,760
Speaker 3: day one of my favorite things to do is just

1210
01:06:57,400 --> 01:06:59,200
Speaker 3: look at velvet trail camera pictures.

1211
01:06:59,240 --> 01:06:59,400
Speaker 2: Man.

1212
01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:03,479
Speaker 3: I don't know why, but I love it. Just found

1213
01:07:03,520 --> 01:07:05,360
Speaker 3: out a couple of weeks ago that I drew South

1214
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:07,920
Speaker 3: Dakota again, so I've been going back to South Dakota.

1215
01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:10,760
Speaker 3: I'll find out here in probably the next three or

1216
01:07:10,800 --> 01:07:15,360
Speaker 3: four days if I draw Kansas, and so that that's

1217
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:18,520
Speaker 3: potentially on the schedule. If I draw Kansas, I might

1218
01:07:18,560 --> 01:07:22,520
Speaker 3: as well haunt Oklahoma since I'll be close and and

1219
01:07:22,720 --> 01:07:28,840
Speaker 3: and so that that that's always a possibility. But that's

1220
01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:33,800
Speaker 3: that's the deer hunting right there. And then outside of that, man,

1221
01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:37,080
Speaker 3: it's just life. And this is going to sound crazy,

1222
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:40,320
Speaker 3: maybe it's not crazy, but like I said, man, I

1223
01:07:40,600 --> 01:07:46,000
Speaker 3: really do like spending time with my kids. And one

1224
01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:50,200
Speaker 3: one way I spend time with my kids and is

1225
01:07:50,320 --> 01:07:55,560
Speaker 3: coaching them in sports. And recently I have fallen in

1226
01:07:55,720 --> 01:08:01,520
Speaker 3: love with coaching and especially little kids that they don't

1227
01:08:01,560 --> 01:08:05,120
Speaker 3: necessarily have egos yet they're not they don't think they're

1228
01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:07,840
Speaker 3: the best type of scenarios. And so I coached my

1229
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:11,200
Speaker 3: son's uh first and second he's a second grader. I

1230
01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:17,000
Speaker 3: coach his first and second grade football. I'm coaching is baseball.

1231
01:08:17,120 --> 01:08:22,200
Speaker 3: I'll probably coach my son's T ball league this this summer.

1232
01:08:23,080 --> 01:08:27,840
Speaker 3: And you know, I just I love doing that type

1233
01:08:27,840 --> 01:08:30,280
Speaker 3: of stuff and I want to continue to do to

1234
01:08:30,400 --> 01:08:32,200
Speaker 3: more of that on top of you know, the fishing

1235
01:08:32,240 --> 01:08:33,639
Speaker 3: and all the other outdoor activities.

1236
01:08:34,680 --> 01:08:38,120
Speaker 2: Nice. Yeah, that sounds it sounds like you're gonna be busy.

1237
01:08:38,200 --> 01:08:38,880
Speaker 2: That's a lot of coach.

1238
01:08:39,040 --> 01:08:42,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, dude, we have something every single We just got

1239
01:08:42,840 --> 01:08:47,559
Speaker 3: done with spring football last week, so we were doing

1240
01:08:47,680 --> 01:08:51,679
Speaker 3: something six nights of the week, six days of the week,

1241
01:08:52,600 --> 01:08:55,840
Speaker 3: and so now work down to five.

1242
01:08:55,960 --> 01:09:00,639
Speaker 2: I think, yikes. Yeah, it sounds like my worst nightmare.

1243
01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:01,360
Speaker 2: But kudos to you.

1244
01:09:03,320 --> 01:09:06,840
Speaker 3: Well, at some point your boys, you know, they're gonna

1245
01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:10,799
Speaker 3: get into activities and uh, someone's gonna have to shuttle

1246
01:09:10,840 --> 01:09:12,679
Speaker 3: them back and forth. Yeah.

1247
01:09:12,920 --> 01:09:17,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm I'm uh, it's true. True. For now, I'm

1248
01:09:18,040 --> 01:09:20,960
Speaker 2: I'm enjoying the fact that the evening activities enjoy. Let's

1249
01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:22,840
Speaker 2: go catch minnows, let's go catch fish, let's go for

1250
01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:26,680
Speaker 2: a hike. But someday, you're probably right, they're gonna say, hey, dad,

1251
01:09:27,080 --> 01:09:29,040
Speaker 2: I wanna go to football or I want to play basketball,

1252
01:09:29,080 --> 01:09:31,519
Speaker 2: and yep, that'll be all right too.

1253
01:09:32,200 --> 01:09:34,280
Speaker 3: Are you already out in Idaho?

1254
01:09:35,320 --> 01:09:39,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, we gotut here two weeks ago. So yes.

1255
01:09:39,680 --> 01:09:42,080
Speaker 2: We spent the last two weekends, one weekend camping in

1256
01:09:42,160 --> 01:09:46,360
Speaker 2: Grand Teeton National Park. Last weekend it was Yellowstone National Park.

1257
01:09:47,280 --> 01:09:52,680
Speaker 2: Been hiking fishing, mental catching, rock throwing, rock climbing. Uh,

1258
01:09:52,960 --> 01:09:54,719
Speaker 2: they've been, they've been enjoying the outside.

1259
01:09:55,280 --> 01:09:58,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't understand. I mean when I was a kid,

1260
01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:03,519
Speaker 3: I loved it. But you mentioned rock throwing. Kids love

1261
01:10:03,680 --> 01:10:04,360
Speaker 3: throwing rocks.

1262
01:10:04,439 --> 01:10:09,679
Speaker 2: Man obsessed with it. Yeah, it's a yeah, I don't

1263
01:10:09,760 --> 01:10:13,680
Speaker 2: quite understand it, but it is endlessly enthralling to these

1264
01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:19,360
Speaker 2: little boys. So yeah, man, that sounds like a great

1265
01:10:19,400 --> 01:10:23,799
Speaker 2: schedule My year coming up as far as hunting season,

1266
01:10:23,880 --> 01:10:28,599
Speaker 2: looks like a September trip to do like an Upper

1267
01:10:28,880 --> 01:10:34,000
Speaker 2: Great Lakes adventure of sorts. I think I'm gonna try

1268
01:10:34,040 --> 01:10:37,240
Speaker 2: to put together a little road trip where I'll be

1269
01:10:37,360 --> 01:10:42,840
Speaker 2: doing some fishing in the boundary waters and some grouse

1270
01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:47,040
Speaker 2: hunting up there and then screwed over the border to

1271
01:10:47,160 --> 01:10:50,400
Speaker 2: Wisconsin and do a deer hunt. So I'm gonna pair.

1272
01:10:50,400 --> 01:10:52,639
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do like a deer hunting Upper Great Lakes

1273
01:10:52,760 --> 01:10:56,560
Speaker 2: road trip that showcases like the diversity of experiences you

1274
01:10:56,600 --> 01:10:58,240
Speaker 2: can have, Like you can do one of these trips,

1275
01:10:58,240 --> 01:11:00,400
Speaker 2: and it's not just about killing big buck. It's about

1276
01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:06,080
Speaker 2: having a cool, diverse experience. So camping, canoeing, fishing, hunting,

1277
01:11:07,000 --> 01:11:09,439
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna do that. Yeah, so I'm excited

1278
01:11:09,439 --> 01:11:09,960
Speaker 2: about that one.

1279
01:11:10,439 --> 01:11:13,320
Speaker 3: I've been to the Boundary waters. Man, that's fun. Uh

1280
01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:16,639
Speaker 3: My uncle, my great uncle used to have a cabin

1281
01:11:17,200 --> 01:11:22,480
Speaker 3: on Oak Island, the furthest uh most point in Minnesota.

1282
01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:26,120
Speaker 3: Nice how it goes, it goes, It kind of jets

1283
01:11:26,200 --> 01:11:28,160
Speaker 3: up just for a little bit, and in that little

1284
01:11:28,240 --> 01:11:30,920
Speaker 3: area of the Boundary Waters is an island and so

1285
01:11:31,280 --> 01:11:34,080
Speaker 3: uh man, that was h that was a fun experience

1286
01:11:34,160 --> 01:11:34,439
Speaker 3: up there.

1287
01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:39,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's It's an incredible country. So excited, excited about that.

1288
01:11:41,080 --> 01:11:43,519
Speaker 2: And then I'm gonna do a bunch of local stuff again,

1289
01:11:43,640 --> 01:11:48,719
Speaker 2: my usual local Michigan hunts have got a few bucks

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01:11:48,760 --> 01:11:50,400
Speaker 2: that made it through the last year that I'm excited

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01:11:50,439 --> 01:11:53,400
Speaker 2: to see again. And then I'm going to spend some

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01:11:53,600 --> 01:11:56,080
Speaker 2: extended time on the back forty again.

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Speaker 3: Awesome.

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01:11:58,160 --> 01:12:02,360
Speaker 2: We're gonna hopefully some more mentoring of new hunters out there,

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01:12:02,479 --> 01:12:05,680
Speaker 2: and then also try to help one or two of

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01:12:05,880 --> 01:12:10,000
Speaker 2: my past mentees hopefully get their first archery deer or

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01:12:10,080 --> 01:12:14,639
Speaker 2: first buck and do a film talking about the progress

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01:12:14,680 --> 01:12:16,799
Speaker 2: that's been made out there and how all these different

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01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:19,920
Speaker 2: new folks have gotten to have their first hunting experiences

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01:12:19,960 --> 01:12:22,519
Speaker 2: on the property and kind of showcase the progress we've

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01:12:22,520 --> 01:12:27,080
Speaker 2: made out there, so that'll be a fun hunt. We're

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01:12:27,120 --> 01:12:30,160
Speaker 2: gonna do a longer hunt, like maybe a week or

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01:12:30,240 --> 01:12:32,880
Speaker 2: so up at my northern Michigan property with my dad

1304
01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:37,800
Speaker 2: again and try to get him his first buck up

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01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:40,880
Speaker 2: there in a long time. And we've been doing some

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01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:44,000
Speaker 2: big habitat work this spring. We did a bunch of

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01:12:44,080 --> 01:12:47,080
Speaker 2: cutting and making some wildlife openings and a couple of

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01:12:47,120 --> 01:12:49,799
Speaker 2: new food plots and really expanding kind of the quality

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01:12:49,880 --> 01:12:53,320
Speaker 2: habitat there. So I'm gonna hopefully really set it up

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01:12:53,400 --> 01:12:55,080
Speaker 2: nicely for my dad to have a chance at a

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01:12:55,160 --> 01:12:59,080
Speaker 2: deer up there, which would be really cool. So pumped

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01:12:59,120 --> 01:13:01,840
Speaker 2: for that. And then I think I'll be going back

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01:13:01,920 --> 01:13:07,479
Speaker 2: to Nebraska again during the rut and trying to line

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01:13:07,600 --> 01:13:11,120
Speaker 2: up a Illinois property been working on all year. Has

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01:13:11,200 --> 01:13:14,360
Speaker 2: not come together yet, but I'm still banking on an

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01:13:14,360 --> 01:13:17,920
Speaker 2: Illinois hunt too. So that's my That's what my season

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01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:18,680
Speaker 2: looks like this year.

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Speaker 3: Sounds good, So sounds good.

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01:13:21,000 --> 01:13:25,280
Speaker 2: Should be should be fun. Uh Well, I don't know, man,

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Speaker 2: That's what I got for this week's episode. You got

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01:13:27,280 --> 01:13:28,320
Speaker 2: anything else you want to talk about?

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01:13:29,479 --> 01:13:31,960
Speaker 3: Not really, man, I think, Uh it was. It's fun

1323
01:13:32,040 --> 01:13:35,640
Speaker 3: catching up like this and looking back. Uh, I don't know,

1324
01:13:35,840 --> 01:13:39,720
Speaker 3: I dwelling on different parts of our lives and then

1325
01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:42,679
Speaker 3: seeing how, you know, how things have changed or haven't changed,

1326
01:13:43,320 --> 01:13:47,920
Speaker 3: and uh how much we went from radio DJ to

1327
01:13:48,479 --> 01:13:50,160
Speaker 3: to just like normal conversation.

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01:13:51,000 --> 01:13:55,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank goodness, Yeah, thank goodness. Hey and Dan, what

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01:13:55,600 --> 01:13:56,280
Speaker 2: is your middle name?

1330
01:13:57,040 --> 01:13:57,320
Speaker 3: Keith?

1331
01:13:58,240 --> 01:13:58,439
Speaker 4: Gee?

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01:13:58,760 --> 01:14:02,800
Speaker 2: I think Bartholomew so better, but uh, I guess Keith

1333
01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:03,280
Speaker 2: can work.

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01:14:04,200 --> 01:14:06,560
Speaker 3: I'm glad I have been to Dame is not Bartholomew.

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01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:09,880
Speaker 3: You know, I would have been bullied by my own

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01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:13,719
Speaker 3: friends if they found out my middle name was Bartholomew.

1337
01:14:13,640 --> 01:14:18,479
Speaker 2: Deservedly so yes, yes, yes, all right man, thanks for

1338
01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:19,600
Speaker 2: doing this. It's good to catch up.

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01:14:20,000 --> 01:14:22,000
Speaker 3: Ay, same to you, man, all.

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01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:24,720
Speaker 2: Right, and that is a wrap for this week's show.

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01:14:24,800 --> 01:14:27,599
Speaker 2: Hope you enjoyed this kind of blast from the past

1342
01:14:27,840 --> 01:14:33,000
Speaker 2: reflection on the past decade. It's gone so fast, pretty wild.

1343
01:14:33,400 --> 01:14:36,360
Speaker 2: I hope you've been along for the ride for a

1344
01:14:36,680 --> 01:14:38,240
Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe all of it or a big

1345
01:14:38,320 --> 01:14:40,000
Speaker 2: part of it, and that you found this to be

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01:14:40,479 --> 01:14:43,000
Speaker 2: a valuable you see your time as much as it

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01:14:43,040 --> 01:14:45,120
Speaker 2: has been for me and Dan, Thank you for being

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01:14:45,120 --> 01:14:47,080
Speaker 2: along for that journey, thank you for being a part

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01:14:47,120 --> 01:14:50,719
Speaker 2: of this community, and until next time, thanks for staying

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01:14:50,840 --> 01:14:52,160
Speaker 2: wired to hunt.