Speaker 1: Welcome to episode five twenty of the Bobby Cast, and
Speaker 1: we are streaming this live on our YouTube channel, and
Speaker 1: if you guys want to be a part of the
Speaker 1: live stream, just go to Bobby Bones channel on YouTube
Speaker 1: and you can watch. We'll start with Karen Reed trial
Speaker 1: which just happened. And I watched the documentary on HBO
Speaker 1: Max is great. I think it was like four or
Speaker 1: five parts, and I had only heard about the trial,
Speaker 1: and so I went and I watched the thing, and
Speaker 1: I just watched the verdict from the second trial, and
Speaker 1: I guess it's not a spoiler because it's news, but
Speaker 1: the first trial she was not hung, as I have
Speaker 1: not been, but it was a hung jury. So second trial,
Speaker 1: which just happened, it's weird at how they were announcing
Speaker 1: her verdicts. So three one was like second degree murder,
Speaker 1: one was another one one was a duy basically, But
Speaker 1: at some point they should just do it like on television,
Speaker 1: because it was kind of confusing. They get everybody in
Speaker 1: the courtroom and they're like, okay, for Hearth, who is
Speaker 1: it in thal? Does the court acknowledge guilty not? I'm
Speaker 1: completely confused about what's happening and somebody says not guilty.
Speaker 1: But I mean, at this point in our lives, shouldn't
Speaker 1: they just go, we find you of charge A, not guilty.
Speaker 1: We find you on charge B not guilty. It turns
Speaker 1: out she was not guilty of secondary murderer. She was
Speaker 1: not guilty of I think leaving the scene. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: mess some of this up. And the third one was guilty,
Speaker 1: and it was basically driving under the influence, and that
Speaker 1: was based on an estimate from way after the fact
Speaker 1: when they tested her and I followed the trial a
Speaker 1: little bit. I'm not gonna do twenty minutes of material
Speaker 1: here on the Karen retrial. But so she's not guilty
Speaker 1: of second degree murder. That was the big one, So
Speaker 1: now what are they gonna do? It seemed to me
Speaker 1: like there was very much some sort of cover up
Speaker 1: within the system. The system meaning the police force that town,
Speaker 1: right outside of Boston's police force. But they were so
Speaker 1: hell bent on making her guilty. So what do they
Speaker 1: do now? Do they just stop looking for John o'keef's killer.
Speaker 1: It's bizarre. And if they don't, because again they don't
Speaker 1: have a second suspect. She's been on trial for two
Speaker 1: or three years at this point. If it's really justice
Speaker 1: for John, which is what they're saying, then they should
Speaker 1: actually go and continue to try to find who killed
Speaker 1: them because they're only I don't know seven or eight
Speaker 1: people that were around that night. But I didn't think
Speaker 1: that they would find her guilty, especially if you watched
Speaker 1: any of the trial this time, you could almost say
Speaker 1: last time. But those jurors are supposedly not affected by
Speaker 1: the first trial at all. But I don't know how
Speaker 1: you lived in that area and completely consumed by the trial.
Speaker 1: But watch the series. I'm sure they're gonna have a
Speaker 1: new documentary up on the second one as well. But
Speaker 1: she was not not guilty, So I just watched that.
Speaker 1: It was just really confusing at how they announced it,
Speaker 1: because I think it should just be announced like on television.
Speaker 1: I'm taking your questions as we go as well. We
Speaker 1: can start with this one. What is a moment in
Speaker 1: your career you still can't believe actually happened. I have
Speaker 1: a few of these. Number one is way back in
Speaker 1: the day when I worked in Hot Springs, Arkansas. My
Speaker 1: very first job was at a radio station called one
Speaker 1: oh five point nine k e Z. That was a
Speaker 1: pop radio station. And when I very first started, I
Speaker 1: worked on the weekends, and I only got a job
Speaker 1: on the air because they fired a guy that was
Speaker 1: working on the air, but we also had to do
Speaker 1: these things called sound and light shows, and he was
Speaker 1: fired because I think they caught him stealing station equipment.
Speaker 1: So last minute they had to throw me on the air.
Speaker 1: My name was name of Bobby Bones. At the time,
Speaker 1: it was just Bobby. I didn't have a name. I'd
Speaker 1: never been on the air. But they had hired me
Speaker 1: to clean the front office where the secretary or any
Speaker 1: of the office people sat. People come and get their prizes.
Speaker 1: That was the area that I was hired to clean
Speaker 1: and switch out these weekly top forty count of down
Speaker 1: and so I'm hired at KLAZY to do that. Before
Speaker 1: my first day of cleaning, I'm put on weekends. I
Speaker 1: have no experience whatsoever. I moved from weekends to weeknights
Speaker 1: after just a couple of months because the guy who
Speaker 1: I still know named Kramer, who is still in radio,
Speaker 1: was doing nights and he left to go to another station.
Speaker 1: So it was a small town, so it wasn't like
Speaker 1: they were doing a national search for the job, so
Speaker 1: they just give me the job. Like I showed up,
Speaker 1: I was on time. I wasn't particularly good, but I
Speaker 1: was young, available in cheap, so they just give me
Speaker 1: the job. And I'm going to get to my point
Speaker 1: here of you know, one of these things that I
Speaker 1: can't believe happened, because all this I can believe. If
Speaker 1: you just show up on time all the time and
Speaker 1: they trust that you're going to be there when you say,
Speaker 1: there are a lot of opportunities that are going to
Speaker 1: open up for you just because now, as somebody who
Speaker 1: hires people, if the people that I hire just show
Speaker 1: up consistently on time, emotionally, physically, like, that's ninety five
Speaker 1: percent of it. And I was that guy. But when
Speaker 1: I was working at Kla Z and I was going
Speaker 1: to college because I wanted to graduate college. Nobody in
Speaker 1: my family had graduated college. I thought, as soon as
Speaker 1: I finish here, I'm going to try to go and
Speaker 1: get a bigger job. And I had had some offers
Speaker 1: when I was at Kayla Z. I mean I remember
Speaker 1: flying out to the Tri Cities, which is in East Tennessee.
Speaker 1: It's like Bristol, Virginia, a couple other in that. Try
Speaker 1: forgive me to the other two that aren't being mentioned
Speaker 1: in the try, but so I go out. I didn't
Speaker 1: take that job a couple other ones. I just wanted
Speaker 1: to graduate college. And there was a station in Little
Speaker 1: Rock called Q one hundred. They had just flipped two
Speaker 1: top forty from whatever format they were, and I really
Speaker 1: wanted that job because to me, Little Rock was a
Speaker 1: massive city. That was where they had a couple big buildings,
Speaker 1: that's where the news was shot. Like Ned Perme, my
Speaker 1: favorite weather man, lived in Little Rock. I thought that
Speaker 1: was the coolest thing ever, and so I always wanted
Speaker 1: My dream was to work in Little Rock. They had
Speaker 1: a minor league baseball team. And when you're coming from
Speaker 1: Mountain Pine, which is where I'm from, population seven hundred,
Speaker 1: or Hot Springs, which was town which is where my
Speaker 1: radio station was, which was twenty thousand, like Little Rock's
Speaker 1: massive because it was a half million people. So Q
Speaker 1: one hundred flips on and I remember getting a call
Speaker 1: on the request line and I said, Hey, do you
Speaker 1: think you might want to come in do nights at
Speaker 1: Q one hundred, And I thought it was a prank call,
Speaker 1: but the guy high identified hisself as a guy named
Speaker 1: Ted Striker, and I was like, Yeah, this is really you.
Speaker 1: I think that would be super cool. He said, cool,
Speaker 1: call me tomorrow in the daytime because my shift was
Speaker 1: at like eight pm. And so I called him the
Speaker 1: next day and he's like, I would love to try
Speaker 1: you out. Well, the problem was I was on in
Speaker 1: hot Spring because that it was about hour drive, but
Speaker 1: you could hear both stations, and I would say a
Speaker 1: little more than faint, but not all the way, but
Speaker 1: you could hear both stations. And he was like, I'd
Speaker 1: love to get you on the air at night and
Speaker 1: give you a tryout. And I'm thinking, I can't really
Speaker 1: go and try out for your station because I'm on
Speaker 1: a station right down the road. And if I go
Speaker 1: and try out, if I quit my job to try out,
Speaker 1: I don't get the job. That sucks for me. And
Speaker 1: I told him that, I said, I don't think I
Speaker 1: can do it, Like, can you not just listen to
Speaker 1: me here and make your mind out because it's basically
Speaker 1: the same thing. We're just you know, playing Britney Spears
Speaker 1: and inn Sinc. CDs. Hey, everybody number twenty two Britney Spears.
Speaker 1: We're just doing that all night. And he was like, now,
Speaker 1: I really need you on the station, So I said, okay,
Speaker 1: So what I do. I'd drive at two o'clock in
Speaker 1: the morning and I get on Q one hundred under
Speaker 1: the name and I thought, I was so funny Robbie
Speaker 1: Johnson because it sounds like Bobby Bones and it was
Speaker 1: Bobby Jones and his Robbie Jones. So I went Robbie
Speaker 1: Johnson on Q one hundred from like two to five AM.
Speaker 1: That was my tryout on a Sunday night, knowing that
Speaker 1: if I got caught, I was going to get fired,
Speaker 1: but thinking that there is no chance anybody is going
Speaker 1: to hear me on this station in Little Rock two
Speaker 1: to five AM from my station in Hot Springs, because
Speaker 1: who's even awake. I remember opening the phone lines and
Speaker 1: radio names are so dumb. My name is dumb. It's
Speaker 1: Bobby Bones. It's not even my real name, so when
Speaker 1: I say these names, it's funny. But my program director's
Speaker 1: name was Jack and his radio name was Jack Frost.
Speaker 1: And I remember Jack Frost calling the request line at
Speaker 1: three o'clock in the morning, going, Bobby, is that you
Speaker 1: on the air now? Again? I'm Robbie Johnson at this time,
Speaker 1: and I know it's Jack of my program director, and
Speaker 1: so I just hang up. It was almost like when
Speaker 1: they say, if you're being questioned by the cops, I
Speaker 1: don't say anything. You know, if you say nothing, you'll
Speaker 1: at least remain in the same amount of trouble. If
Speaker 1: you say anything, it could get worse. So I just
Speaker 1: hung up, and then I blocked the phone lines. You
Speaker 1: could push one button, he goes and it blocks all
Speaker 1: the lines. And I went into work the next Monday
Speaker 1: and just denied it. I was like what, I was like,
Speaker 1: are you crazy? And he was like, I could have
Speaker 1: swore it was you. I was like, on a Sunday night,
Speaker 1: three am, anyway, it was me. Never really admitted that
Speaker 1: till right now. I for one night was Robbie Johnson.
Speaker 1: I got the job, and I left Klazy and went
Speaker 1: to Q one hundred, probably three weeks later, and it
Speaker 1: was great. I was there for like six months or
Speaker 1: so before I moved to Austin. But I cannot believe
Speaker 1: that happened. When I think back, I'm not even thought
Speaker 1: of that story and so long. I can't believe that
Speaker 1: I took that risk. That's not a chance, that risk
Speaker 1: of getting fired. And then I can't believe that Jack
Speaker 1: Frost was freaking listening and he called in and got
Speaker 1: through and then I answered, and then I just hung up.
Speaker 1: Oh that was totally weird. What I really think happened
Speaker 1: was I think Jack Frost knew it was me, understood
Speaker 1: what I was doing, and I think he just got
Speaker 1: it and never brought it up again. So I appreciate
Speaker 1: that Jack Frost is not alive anymore. But I appreciate that.
Speaker 1: And think of all the dumb radio names. Bobby Bones.
Speaker 1: I didn't pick my name, by the way, like I
Speaker 1: picked it out of a choice of like three, but
Speaker 1: Bobby Bones, Ted Striker, who I mentioned Jack Frost, I
Speaker 1: don't think I was Kevin Cruz who hired me at
Speaker 1: kay lazy Man. Podcasters have un lucky then I have
Speaker 1: to come up with stupid names like we had to.
Speaker 1: That was one and my second one is probably winning
Speaker 1: Dancing with the Stars, not even just going on Dancing
Speaker 1: with the Stars, because that was more of a strategy
Speaker 1: for ABC. And that story is a bit bizarre because
Speaker 1: I had started on American Idol and I did a season,
Speaker 1: and I was going back for the second season, which
Speaker 1: was going to be at my first full season because
Speaker 1: I did like three quarters of a season that year
Speaker 1: that I went on the first time, and things were
Speaker 1: going pretty good at that time because I had an
Speaker 1: offer to judge The Mass Singer, which I didn't know
Speaker 1: what the show was. I think it was only on
Speaker 1: in Japan or whatever country it started in. So they
Speaker 1: called said, hey, do you want to be one of
Speaker 1: the judges on The Mass Singer And it was that
Speaker 1: versus there was a show on USA Network and the
Speaker 1: show had Travis Trutt, Jacoen, Shania Twain as like the judges,
Speaker 1: and it was some kind of singing show here in Nashville,
Speaker 1: and they offered me the host of that job, or
Speaker 1: it was option see, which was stay on American Idol,
Speaker 1: and I was going to sign a two year deal
Speaker 1: with American Idol and go do Dancing with the Stars
Speaker 1: as promotion for American Idol. That was kind of part
Speaker 1: of my deal, meaning I had I didn't have to,
Speaker 1: but they encouraged me to accept that if I were
Speaker 1: to take the Idol deal because they needed someone to
Speaker 1: go on that show to promote American Idol. So I
Speaker 1: never had the ambition to go on to American Idol
Speaker 1: and excuse me, dancing with the Stars, Like I never
Speaker 1: had the dream to go on Dancing with the Stars
Speaker 1: and just dance. I never really watched the show, at
Speaker 1: least not all the way through. I had seen clips
Speaker 1: and stuff because it was a you know, definitely a
Speaker 1: piece of pop culture in American television history, especially when
Speaker 1: it started. But I took the ABC Disney offer, which
Speaker 1: was American Idol Dancing with the Stars, and then I
Speaker 1: want to Dancing with the Stars, and they told me
Speaker 1: that this show will be four or five weeks and
Speaker 1: we'll have you back over to American Idol on time.
Speaker 1: And I remember telling one of the producers, if you
Speaker 1: think I'm only gonna last four weeks, I have a
Speaker 1: feeling that's not going to be the case. So we
Speaker 1: should start to figure out what happens if I'm still
Speaker 1: on this show and American Idol is taping. And it's
Speaker 1: not that they laughed. It wasn't like, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: so I got a text, Dang, I'm so important right now.
Speaker 1: You would never believe what that text was. The text was,
Speaker 1: can you take the dog out? So you guys think
Speaker 1: that I'm some kind of podcast superstar and I just
Speaker 1: got a text going, can you take the dog out.
Speaker 1: I think he's got a poop. So what happens is
Speaker 1: I go on that show and they're like usually people
Speaker 1: that can't dance and have never danced. They last four
Speaker 1: weeks and I wasn't in the bottom three. I wasn't
Speaker 1: in the bottom three, and it came to that point
Speaker 1: where I had to make a decision do I leave
Speaker 1: the show to go to American Idol or keep dancing
Speaker 1: on Dancing with the Stars. And it wasn't even that
Speaker 1: I loved dancing, because I didn't know how to dance,
Speaker 1: but I respected all the work that my partner put
Speaker 1: in Sharna. I didn't want her to be off the
Speaker 1: show just because I decided I needed to go back
Speaker 1: to Idle and they were paying me a lot of money.
Speaker 1: But I stayed on Dancing with the Stars and we
Speaker 1: won the freaking thing. And when it comes to one
Speaker 1: of the craziest things ever, it's standing there and there
Speaker 1: were three I think maybe there were four of us
Speaker 1: that were still remaining, and Tom Bergeron and Aaron Andrews.
Speaker 1: They go to that card and he's like, and the
Speaker 1: winner of Dancing with the Stars Season twenty seven. I
Speaker 1: remember it so vividly, and I remember in that time
Speaker 1: because there's music playing, it sounds like a heartbeat. My
Speaker 1: heart wasn't going bam bam, bam bam bam. Oh, I wonder,
Speaker 1: I wonder. It was mostly like I was about to
Speaker 1: die and I was like reliving my life. It was
Speaker 1: flashing before my eyes. But it was just all my
Speaker 1: Dancing with the Stars' history, like all those ten weeks
Speaker 1: of just grinding it out, and I was kind of
Speaker 1: seeing all that flashed by. And I remember when he
Speaker 1: said boo, because that's what he said, Bobby and Sharna
Speaker 1: that boo, And I was like, this is the craziest
Speaker 1: thing ever. It wasn't like I won like the World
Speaker 1: Series or the super Bowl, because those guys worked their
Speaker 1: whole lives to do that, Like they honed those skills
Speaker 1: since they were six years old and went up through
Speaker 1: all the levels. Like I got thrown on a show
Speaker 1: because I took another job, But it was cool because
Speaker 1: I had the lowest odds because Vegas put out the
Speaker 1: odds I worked. I don't think there's a question I
Speaker 1: worked way harder than everybody else because I had a
Speaker 1: normal job as well, and I was touring and I
Speaker 1: was living in a city I didn't live in, and
Speaker 1: I was just doing that show and training extra. So
Speaker 1: I do think that I work harder than anybody else,
Speaker 1: but it's because I had to. I was coming from
Speaker 1: such a detriment when it came to my dance experience.
Speaker 1: But I remember one of that show and just being
Speaker 1: like this is wild and they lifted me up like
Speaker 1: Rudy and I remember that and they lifted me up
Speaker 1: and they were like yeah. So that was a crazy
Speaker 1: time because like the show was out there, Amy was
Speaker 1: out there, Eddie had come out stay with me for
Speaker 1: some of that show, and Mike Dean and I lived together.
Speaker 1: But that was a bizarre time, And not that I
Speaker 1: went on the show. It wasn't the craziest thing to happen,
Speaker 1: but the fact that I won that freaking show, like
Speaker 1: I won a reality show, a reality competition, Like that's
Speaker 1: weird because I don't feel like I really went on
Speaker 1: a reality show. But they do record you all the time.
Speaker 1: There's a microphone on your body all the time when
Speaker 1: you do that show, when you're training, they're always trying
Speaker 1: to catch something, catch you doing something, saying something. They
Speaker 1: want something romantic, something dramatic, and Sharna and I made
Speaker 1: a deal. Wearily they weren't getting any of that from us,
Speaker 1: And mostly it is because I was so focused on
Speaker 1: just trying to get to even so she could then
Speaker 1: teach me that there was no room for me to
Speaker 1: really have any sort of human emotion. It was just grind, grind, grind, grind.
Speaker 1: But that was bizarre. And then they had the party afterward.
Speaker 1: And I've told this story before, but after the show
Speaker 1: has finished, they have like a quick winning party for
Speaker 1: like the champion and everybody. That season, I didn't get
Speaker 1: to go to it because I had to get my
Speaker 1: car immediately and drive to work and then spend the
Speaker 1: next hour and a half doing that next morning's radio show.
Speaker 1: And as soon as that's over, I drove to the
Speaker 1: airport we hold on a plane that flew across the
Speaker 1: country to go do Good Morning America. And I remember
Speaker 1: getting on the plane and everybody being irritated that I
Speaker 1: made them late, and I was like, guys, I have
Speaker 1: a job. But that was bizarre and cool. And I
Speaker 1: still have the mirror ball. It's down here and I
Speaker 1: don't think about it as much as I used to,
Speaker 1: meaning it's not like a part of my identity anymore.
Speaker 1: But when I think of like bi wildly absurd, bizarre things,
Speaker 1: that whole experience makes that list.
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Speaker 1: Here's another question, what is the most impactful song of
Speaker 1: your life? I think I probably have three of these.
Speaker 1: I think number one it's John Mayer Stopped This Train.
Speaker 1: That's my favorite song of all time. I think because
Speaker 1: I feel like that was the first song that I
Speaker 1: ever heard sang by anybody that I felt like, whoever
Speaker 1: wrote that song wrote it in my voice, and I
Speaker 1: think that's what a great songwriter is. It's not just
Speaker 1: somebody who can rhyme words and have a reallyquol melody.
Speaker 1: At least it's not just that. And when he was
Speaker 1: singing stop this Train, because the whole song's about you know,
Speaker 1: time just goes by and if you don't like stop
Speaker 1: the train occasionally and like appreciate it, like you're not
Speaker 1: going to appreciate it ever. And there's a line in
Speaker 1: the song that says, I don't I may butcher this
Speaker 1: because I haven't thought about this in a long time.
Speaker 1: I'm so scared of getting older. I'm only good at
Speaker 1: being young, And like, I resonated with that because forever
Speaker 1: I was like the young guy in this medium radio especially,
Speaker 1: I was like the youngest by ten fifteen years doing
Speaker 1: it at the level that I was doing it. And
Speaker 1: so yeah, that line hit me pretty hard. I would
Speaker 1: still say probably my favorite song ever. So that was
Speaker 1: one where I started to appreciate songwriting. Another one of
Speaker 1: the songs I think I have three is Thomas Rhett
Speaker 1: Beer with Jesus. I love Thomas Rhett, but I thought
Speaker 1: that song was so stupid, and it was when I
Speaker 1: was considering coming to country music. Stupid is not the
Speaker 1: word corny, because Eddie and I were playing golf in
Speaker 1: Austin and that was trying to get Eddie to move
Speaker 1: to Nashville with me. And this whole thing is not
Speaker 1: a shot at that song, but just our feeling about
Speaker 1: that song when we turned it on, because what happened
Speaker 1: was Eddie and I are playing golf in Austin and
Speaker 1: I am like, dude, you gotta come and move to
Speaker 1: Nashville with me. Because he had turned down offers to
Speaker 1: be on the morning show in Texas. He was like,
Speaker 1: I don't want to wake up that early. He had
Speaker 1: a job of the news, like he was doing pretty good.
Speaker 1: And I said, do come to Nashville, move your family.
Speaker 1: I will pay you really well, and you'll run cameras
Speaker 1: and you'll edit and you'll be on the air. And
Speaker 1: I don't really know what your role is going to be,
Speaker 1: but you're my best friends. Oh, come on, And my
Speaker 1: whole thing, my whole career has been find my friends.
Speaker 1: Find my friends that show up on time every time
Speaker 1: that I can depend on, and let's go and build
Speaker 1: something cool. And he wouldn't say yes. He wouldn't say yes,
Speaker 1: and I said, well, let's I said, let's just turn
Speaker 1: on a song. And we turned on the Big ninety
Speaker 1: eight in Nashville, which is, I guess our flagship station here.
Speaker 1: We're not really working from that studio, but it's in
Speaker 1: our building and we're in Nashville, so we'll call it flagship.
Speaker 1: And I turned it on and the song that was on,
Speaker 1: and it may have been Thomas Strutt's first single is
Speaker 1: if I could have a beer with Jesus. I'd tell
Speaker 1: him and I was like, this is the worst song ever.
Speaker 1: To try to get Eddie to move to Nashville, and
Speaker 1: I don't know Tiar's relationship with that song right now.
Speaker 1: He may love it and still think and it's not
Speaker 1: even about Jesus, So don't hit me up and be like,
Speaker 1: I can't believe. Well, I'm I don't drink beer, so
Speaker 1: I definitely wouldn't have a beer with Jesus. And if
Speaker 1: Jesus like tried to give me a drink beer for
Speaker 1: the first time, is that even Jesus? Or is it
Speaker 1: the devil in disguise about that? Probably haven't thought about that,
Speaker 1: But that song was very impactful because I think that
Speaker 1: song probably kept Eddie from almost moving to Nashville. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna call him real quick, and he doesn't know I'm
Speaker 1: talking about this obviously because it was a question from
Speaker 1: you guys live. Let's see if he answers on FaceTime.
Speaker 1: He may even answer. I guarantee you he knows the song,
Speaker 1: and if he doesn't, I'll be shocked. Hey, dude, can
Speaker 1: you hear me? Yeah? What up? Okay, I'm recording right now,
Speaker 1: so you're on and I'm telling a story and I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna tell you what it is. I just want
Speaker 1: you to tell me if you remember. Okay, okay. Whenever
Speaker 1: we were playing golf in Austin, Texas and I'm trying
Speaker 1: to convince you to move to Nashville to do this
Speaker 1: show with me, and I'm like, dude, just come on,
Speaker 1: just bring your family, move across. And we decided to
Speaker 1: turn the radio on to kind of get the temperature
Speaker 1: and be like, is this cool or not? What song
Speaker 1: was playing?
Speaker 3: Thomas Frrett, if I can have a beer, I'll never
Speaker 3: forget it. I'll never forget it.
Speaker 1: What would you say our feeling was when we heard
Speaker 1: that song?
Speaker 3: Huh. I don't think we talked about it, just looked
Speaker 3: at each other. We looked at each other and when huh.
Speaker 1: Okay, I just wanted to see if you remember that's
Speaker 1: the same way I did. Yeah, all right, buddy, see later.
Speaker 1: Impactful but Thomas, right, I love you body. I want
Speaker 1: you to be offended by this. But that's the truth.
Speaker 1: And the third one is probably when it comes to
Speaker 1: impactful songs, probably Chris Stapleton and I'm gonna say Tennessee Whiskey,
Speaker 1: and not because of the song, but in the history
Speaker 1: of the Bobby Bone Show, there have only been a
Speaker 1: few people that I've called and like said, hey, you
Speaker 1: gotta come on the show. I'm a big fan way
Speaker 1: before they popped, and then when they popped it worked
Speaker 1: out to be super beneficial to me. One of those
Speaker 1: was Chris Stapleton, and I remember calling him at his house.
Speaker 1: He was in the shower and at this point he
Speaker 1: was a songwriter and he had some hits of a songwriter,
Speaker 1: but he wasn't a known artist, and he said, let
Speaker 1: me call you right back in the shower, all live
Speaker 1: on the air, and I'm like, dude, come up, You're awesome.
Speaker 1: He's like, okay, he comes up, he plays boom, it's great.
Speaker 1: He does. Josh Turner maybe turned him lots down because
Speaker 1: he wrote that song and it has like eight million
Speaker 1: views now on YouTube. But that was before Tennessee Whiskey.
Speaker 1: So it was very beneficial to me that I heard
Speaker 1: his amazing voice before he blew up. Because I didn't
Speaker 1: make him good, I didn't find him, I didn't make
Speaker 1: him famous, I didn't put him add justin turberlate together.
Speaker 1: But as soon as he popped like he did, he
Speaker 1: had this really cool loyalty to me, which still to
Speaker 1: this day, for some reason, he holds anytime I ask
Speaker 1: him to do anything It is a very quick yes.
Speaker 1: I love Chris. Chris doesn't do a whole lot like
Speaker 1: publicly as far as interviews, but he's always on the
Speaker 1: show when I call him. He did the Million Dollar
Speaker 1: Show with Eddie Knight at the Rhyme and he came
Speaker 1: and played it. But I would say that song because
Speaker 1: that created that relationship with Chris Stapleton and I. I
Speaker 1: got very fortunate there those three songs, but mostly beer
Speaker 1: with jeez, it's crazy that Eddie remembers that. Here's another question.
Speaker 1: What's the most misunderstood part of your job? One? How
Speaker 1: difficult it is to wake up every morning. It's not
Speaker 1: difficult like my stepdad who worked at the Middle difficult.
Speaker 1: It's different kind of difficult. I would much rather do
Speaker 1: what I'm doing because I chose to do what I do,
Speaker 1: and I built all the avenues that I get to
Speaker 1: drive down every day to do what I do, meaning
Speaker 1: this podcast, meaning the radio show, meaning any of the
Speaker 1: television projects that I do. So I did it all once.
Speaker 1: I remember I was doing Breaking Bobby Bones on nat
Speaker 1: GEO and I was injured a lot because that show
Speaker 1: had me catching myself on fire as a stuntman falling
Speaker 1: off houses, climbing in the middle of winter in Iowa,
Speaker 1: a like wind turbine, like all this stuff, and I
Speaker 1: was always hurt and I would complain about it. My
Speaker 1: wife would go, I get it that you're hurting, but
Speaker 1: you created all this stuff that's hurting you, so you
Speaker 1: can only be so upset. And that's how I feel
Speaker 1: about the morning show, right It sucks to wake up
Speaker 1: early in the morning. That being said, how difficult that is.
Speaker 1: I would say, the constant pressure to be on all
Speaker 1: the time. Now again, I did this because I'm the
Speaker 1: one that decided to do the radio show, the NFL podcast,
Speaker 1: twenty five Whistles, the Bobby Cast, I did the Yellowstone Podcast.
Speaker 1: I'm trying, So I did all this. So when I
Speaker 1: say this, it's all my fault. But there really is
Speaker 1: so much energy you have, and that's it. You hit
Speaker 1: a point. And I think, as I record this, like
Speaker 1: I've kind of hit that pointly have a few days
Speaker 1: off coming out vacation in the next few weeks. But
Speaker 1: I think that's a misunderstood part that And I'm not whining,
Speaker 1: but you can actually like fry your brain. I think
Speaker 1: my brain's fried right now. I think in like the
Speaker 1: radio part of it. It used to be be relatable. Relatability
Speaker 1: is key, and I think Nember something to that, but
Speaker 1: it's not even that anymore. I think being entertaining is
Speaker 1: number one. Being authentic or telling the truth is number two,
Speaker 1: because if you're being entertaining, you can't stay in character
Speaker 1: or remember your lies. That's why I don't lie more.
Speaker 1: I can't remember them, and I'm on like seven places
Speaker 1: doing seven different things. I don't think I lie at all.
Speaker 1: If I do, you're gonna hear me contradict myself not
Speaker 1: knowing it because I'm saying things in all these different places.
Speaker 1: So I think number one is entertaining, Number two is
Speaker 1: being honest and authentic, and then number three is being relatable.
Speaker 1: Like I think relatability's fine and it's good, but like
Speaker 1: your neighbors relatable, Do you want to listen to them
Speaker 1: talk for an hour on a podcast? Probably not? I
Speaker 1: mean maybe, but relatability was such a two thousands thing
Speaker 1: where it was number one, and we still get this
Speaker 1: research sometimes it's like you're not being relatable enough. I'm like, good,
Speaker 1: does that mean I'm being way more entertaining because I
Speaker 1: don't want to be fake relatable. If I were to
Speaker 1: come on now and say the things that I said
Speaker 1: fifteen years ago, you guys would know it was a lie.
Speaker 1: If I came on and said things like, man, i
Speaker 1: went to the vet and that bill was so high,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about not even like paying it and just
Speaker 1: seeing what happens. That's a real thing that happens with people.
Speaker 1: But you guys know I have money now because I've
Speaker 1: been doing this for so long. Or if I'm like
Speaker 1: I had to go buy a new set of tires
Speaker 1: that's really really got me strapped this month, you guys
Speaker 1: would know I was full of crap now. I had
Speaker 1: to live a big part of my life like that.
Speaker 1: But that's the relatability part that I understand because I
Speaker 1: had it. But I don't have it anymore, so I
Speaker 1: don't lie about that part anymore. So those are probably
Speaker 1: and by the way, those aren't even that big of
Speaker 1: a deal. Like, my job is pretty cool. I put
Speaker 1: a lot of time and effort into it and a
Speaker 1: lot of strategy, but my job's pretty cool, So I
Speaker 1: don't complain about it much. Mostly if I do complain
Speaker 1: about it, it's only if I'm complaining about beer with
Speaker 1: Jesus and that song that almost kept me from coming here.
Speaker 4: The Bobby Cast will be right back. This is the
Speaker 4: Bobby Cast.
Speaker 1: What do people assume about your success that isn't true?
Speaker 1: I think you probably assume everything that's correct about this.
Speaker 1: It is a lot of being on but who cares.
Speaker 1: Like again, my stepdad worked at the mill, like I've
Speaker 1: seen real work before, and I think this is real work,
Speaker 1: but it's definitely not the same. So not to not
Speaker 1: spend time on that question. But that was a little
Speaker 1: bit like the last one. I didn't even why I
Speaker 1: picked it, but thank you for sending it. Which moment
Speaker 1: felt more like you made it your first big check
Speaker 1: or your first big opportunity. That's interesting, my first big
Speaker 1: check or my first big opportunity. Well, the first thing
Speaker 1: I bought with what I felt was my first big
Speaker 1: check was a pair of Jordans, white Jordans. I didn't
Speaker 1: have nice shoes growing up, and if I did, I
Speaker 1: got them at a yard sale. So I thought, the
Speaker 1: first time I make money and I have money that
Speaker 1: is more than just week to week, I'm gonna buy
Speaker 1: me the coolest Jordans. And I bought a pair of
Speaker 1: white Jordans. Sixes, like that's cool, that's special because I
Speaker 1: still remember that. I still remember going to the mall.
Speaker 1: I'm buying those. I bought my mom a trailer and
Speaker 1: two acres of land before she died like that. From
Speaker 1: another big check, like I signed a contract in Austin
Speaker 1: I think for like four hundred thousand dollars a year.
Speaker 1: Just walking back through my checks and what I made
Speaker 1: per year. When I started in radio full time, I
Speaker 1: made like sixteen thousand a year, and that was all hourly,
Speaker 1: so it was sixteen thousand, but it was based on
Speaker 1: nine dollars an hour or something like that. When I
Speaker 1: went to Austin to do nights full time because I
Speaker 1: went from Little Rock to Austin, I went for thirty
Speaker 1: two thousand dollars a year and that was two thousand
Speaker 1: and three. Late two thousand and two. When I got
Speaker 1: the morning job in Austin and they paid me fifty
Speaker 1: thousand dollars a year, I was rich. I really felt
Speaker 1: like I was rich. It was the I think of
Speaker 1: any of the Hey, we're going to sign a new contract.
Speaker 1: There was more joy in that one than any other
Speaker 1: deal that I had ever signed because it was the
Speaker 1: first time that there was this entirely new feeling of
Speaker 1: I don't feel fundamentally like I am just swimming as
Speaker 1: hard as I can to stay above water. And that
Speaker 1: fifty thousand dollars a year was crazy. I could not
Speaker 1: believe it. So that job, and you know, by the
Speaker 1: time I left Austin, it was four or five hundred
Speaker 1: thousand dollars a year, and that's pretty good. But that
Speaker 1: was also like bonuses, like we were number one for
Speaker 1: like five years in a row. And when I say that,
Speaker 1: I mean every quarter. They would have a ratings book,
Speaker 1: and if I hit for four quarters in a row,
Speaker 1: I got a bonus of like seventy five thousand dollars,
Speaker 1: and four years in a row, I hit that freaking
Speaker 1: bonus like we would crush in Austin. And so when
Speaker 1: you ask the question, first big check or first big opportunity, like,
Speaker 1: those are the checks that I think of. The other
Speaker 1: check that I think of. I had gone and I
Speaker 1: had done some episodes on American Idol that first season,
Speaker 1: and they had me come in for one episode and
Speaker 1: it was really to talk to kids, kids, young adults,
Speaker 1: but mostly kids on this show about what it was
Speaker 1: like to be interviewed by multiple people and walk them
Speaker 1: through the process of like how to start over at
Speaker 1: the next interview and how to have your your microphone
Speaker 1: close to your mouth. But really that's what it was.
Speaker 1: It was like how to be interviewed. So I go
Speaker 1: when I do that. But what I found, and what
Speaker 1: they found too, was that I understood what a lot
Speaker 1: of those young adults and kids were going through because
Speaker 1: until I had been sent to New York or Los
Speaker 1: Angeles for work, I'd never been to New York or
Speaker 1: Los Angeles. And then when I got there, I was like, Wow,
Speaker 1: this is like television. I was overwhelmed a bit, as
Speaker 1: were they, and so they kept me on. I did
Speaker 1: multiple episodes, and I've told the story and I talked
Speaker 1: about it, I think in my seal, which is not
Speaker 1: even available because once CMT air did, I put it
Speaker 1: on YouTube and then never pushed load. I guess I
Speaker 1: loaded it. I just never made it public. I talked
Speaker 1: about that and how I lost money for like three
Speaker 1: episodes because American Idol didn't even know that I didn't
Speaker 1: live in Los Angeles. They thought I lived there. Because
Speaker 1: I didn't want them to use that as a reason
Speaker 1: not to hire me for another episode. So they were
Speaker 1: paying me union minimum, and by the time I was
Speaker 1: paying for my flights at my hotel, I was losing
Speaker 1: hundreds of dollars, just hundreds of dollars, but still money
Speaker 1: an episode. So for like three episodes, I lost money,
Speaker 1: and so they asked me to come back and do
Speaker 1: more episodes, and I was like, Okay, I have to
Speaker 1: make a confession to you. Guess I don't live here.
Speaker 1: And so my manager at the time was like, we'll
Speaker 1: get you a higher rate, and so they paid me
Speaker 1: for like the last couple episodes fifty thousand dollars an
Speaker 1: episode on American Idol that first season. So first season ends,
Speaker 1: and this is pre we're doing a prequel here to
Speaker 1: that story. I told earlier that first season ends, and
Speaker 1: I had heard they were going to offer me a
Speaker 1: deal for another season, maybe two, And I'm thinking, if
Speaker 1: they just pay me like that fifty thousand dollars an episode,
Speaker 1: that's going to be awesome. And so they made an
Speaker 1: offer to me, and it was like three hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: I would have said yes immediately, my manager, whose name
Speaker 1: is Corn Capshaw, who's the owner of Red Light Management,
Speaker 1: he said, don't take it, I love. What are you
Speaker 1: talking about? He goes, if you just say no, they're
Speaker 1: going to offer you more. And I said, are you sure?
Speaker 1: And he said, well, you really can't be sure of anything.
Speaker 1: And I thought, if I say no to this, they're
Speaker 1: offered me a full time job on this show. They're
Speaker 1: offering me three hundred thousand dollars or something like that
Speaker 1: all in, and if I say no, they may go, well,
Speaker 1: there's eleven of you here in La more than that
Speaker 1: that we can hire to put on the show. And
Speaker 1: he said, if I were you as your manager, I
Speaker 1: can't say no. But I'm going to say you should
Speaker 1: say no to this. And so I trusted them and
Speaker 1: I said, guys, I don't feel like you're paying me enough.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say no. Their next offer was one point
Speaker 1: two million dollars and I said, yes, immediately, that's a
Speaker 1: big check. That's a big that's a big check. That's
Speaker 1: pretty cool. And then I don't know what the weird
Speaker 1: part about that question is your first big opportunity. I
Speaker 1: don't feel like I ever just had this massive opportunity
Speaker 1: that came to me out of nowhere, or this opportunity
Speaker 1: that just showed up because they're like, we think you're
Speaker 1: so great, here's a big opportunity. Everything that I've been
Speaker 1: doing has been one small ladder rung and then one
Speaker 1: small ladder rung, and then I fall down a couple
Speaker 1: of lodder rungs, and then I climb up three small
Speaker 1: ladder rungs. Like, I don't really feel like I've ever
Speaker 1: had a massive jump that either didn't have a lot
Speaker 1: of risk involved or really wasn't that massive because I'd
Speaker 1: been working on it for so long behind the scenes.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna say you made it was the big
Speaker 1: checks because there was never just a massive opportunity that
Speaker 1: presented itself that I wasn't either killing myself to get. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's the money, And I've never really done anything just
Speaker 1: for money. I've probably taken a couple speaking engagements, but
Speaker 1: that's one day, and those pay really well. If it's
Speaker 1: a private speaking engagement or a private like just me
Speaker 1: going up to do some jokes, that's significant. So I've
Speaker 1: done that for money, but I've never like taken on
Speaker 1: a whole project for money. I did the Yellowstone podcast,
Speaker 1: and I thought that was a good relationship builder. I
Speaker 1: kind of regret doing that. It wasn't that Yellowstone was
Speaker 1: bad to work with. It wasn't the Paramo I was
Speaker 1: bad to work with. That production company was terrible, and the
Speaker 1: producer of that was just really awful. And when he
Speaker 1: sent the email that was like, you're not famous enough
Speaker 1: to get big guests, because I said, hey, why don't
Speaker 1: we get Kevin Costner? Why don't we get and he
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, if you were famous, we could get them,
Speaker 1: but you're not famous enough. And I was like, okay, cool.
Speaker 1: I had Costner on my show like four weeks prior.
Speaker 1: I felt pretty good about sending that email off. But
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go checks. Is AI going to run creativity
Speaker 1: or is AI going to enhance it? That's the question.
Speaker 1: My answer is going to be the AI is going
Speaker 1: to enhance it. I think everything has always been enhanced
Speaker 1: by things that were going to ruin creativity. And I
Speaker 1: can walk you through this. I've thought about it this
Speaker 1: a bit because I love AI. I make AI teasers
Speaker 1: for upcoming guests on the Bobbycast. So if we go
Speaker 1: back the printing press in the fourteen hundreds, people said
Speaker 1: that the printing press would kill memory, it would kill
Speaker 1: oral tradition, like just telling stories into your buddy's ear,
Speaker 1: and Papa would tell grandkids' stories, and it would kill
Speaker 1: the sacred art of hand copying texts. So the printing
Speaker 1: press was going to ruin creativity in the fourteen hundreds.
Speaker 1: In the eighteen hundreds, photography was going to run create activity.
Speaker 1: Painters were pissed at photography, and so people were like,
Speaker 1: that's it, it's over. These machines are taking pictures. It's
Speaker 1: not the human hand anymore. Why paint when you can
Speaker 1: just click? Then, recorded music in the nineteen hundreds, live
Speaker 1: musicians panicked. Sheet music aficionados I don't even know what
Speaker 1: you call that, like publishers, they went ballistic. The whole
Speaker 1: thought was if music is put on a vinyl or
Speaker 1: on a way that people will not go to live
Speaker 1: shows anymore, that was ruining creativity. You can go to
Speaker 1: the nineteen seventies or the nineteen eighties synthesizers and drum machines.
Speaker 1: Traditional musicians said it was fake, it was robotic, it
Speaker 1: was soulless. That's not real music. Now, that's so much
Speaker 1: a part of real music. Pop, hip hop, dm even
Speaker 1: country sampling in the eighties and the nineties, like old
Speaker 1: school purists said that borrowing other clips of other songs
Speaker 1: was just theft, not art, that it was just noise
Speaker 1: not music. Are you seeing the patterns here? Auto tune
Speaker 1: in the nineties, I think Share Believe was the first
Speaker 1: auto tune song that was a hit. T Paining gets
Speaker 1: all the credit because that he made it his thing,
Speaker 1: which is weird because Tea paink could really really sing,
Speaker 1: so it was a stylistic choice for Tea pain more
Speaker 1: than anything else. YouTube and social media in the two thousands,
Speaker 1: people said it was just kids making dumb videos, and
Speaker 1: then when it started to catch on, it was it's
Speaker 1: not really television. But then when it got so big,
Speaker 1: it was like television's done. Everything's gonna be done on
Speaker 1: YouTube for a nickel streaming services. So my only point
Speaker 1: here about that question is every generation thinks that the
Speaker 1: the next part of technology is killing creativity. But the
Speaker 1: thing about creativity is it doesn't die, it adapts. It
Speaker 1: always has AI isn't the end of originality. It is
Speaker 1: just a really cool tool in the box, and I
Speaker 1: think all of those have been tools in the box
Speaker 1: so far. It can't replace human emotion or experience or taste.
Speaker 1: It can only reflect it based on what it's built on.
Speaker 1: So I can understand people getting upset about AI at times,
Speaker 1: but remember people got upset the printing press. And that's
Speaker 1: what I want you to say. The next time someone's
Speaker 1: like AI is ruining music, Say ah, you sound like
Speaker 1: someone in fourteen eighteen complaining about the printing press. But
Speaker 1: I think AI is great and if you don't use it,
Speaker 1: you're going to get crushed by someone else. That is,
Speaker 1: because again it's a tool. Next question, what's one story
Speaker 1: from behind the scenes Bobby Bone show you've never told?
Speaker 1: I guess I'm feeling a bit nostalgic. So there was
Speaker 1: a point during the show when I knew we were
Speaker 1: moving to Nashville, but I could not tell anybody else
Speaker 1: on the show we were moving to Nashville because I
Speaker 1: hadn't even decided who I was gonna take because it
Speaker 1: was so new to me. But they said, you can't
Speaker 1: tell anybody because legally there are people that can't know.
Speaker 1: And I'm not sure if it was because they needed
Speaker 1: to be moved, because a lot of the shows that
Speaker 1: were on in the mornings when we came on around
Speaker 1: the country either got moved to like middays or afternoons
Speaker 1: or some of them were like go before we even
Speaker 1: came on, Like I didn't have any control over any
Speaker 1: of that. But because of that, I couldn't talk about it,
Speaker 1: couldn't tell anybody about it. And so there were a
Speaker 1: couple of stories specifically that come to mind. Amy was
Speaker 1: trying to buy a house in Austin and she had
Speaker 1: moved to North Carolina. She worked remotely from North Carolina
Speaker 1: for a couple of years because her husband at the
Speaker 1: time now our ex husband, was in the military, and
Speaker 1: she worked on the show with us in Austin. I'd
Speaker 1: built that whole syndication company myself in Austin, and so
Speaker 1: because I did that, I had the leverage to say
Speaker 1: we're keep an Amy. And it was kind of unheard
Speaker 1: of to have a co host that wasn't in the
Speaker 1: same room with you. And so Amy was working in
Speaker 1: North Carolina moving back to Austin. Everybody was pumped because
Speaker 1: she was gonna be back in the room with us.
Speaker 1: But if she was moving back and looking for a house,
Speaker 1: that's when it's okay, I'm taking the Nashville job. I said,
Speaker 1: I gotta tell Amy she's gonna buy a house, and
Speaker 1: like a week. They wouldn't let me do it. And
Speaker 1: I said to them, she may not take the job
Speaker 1: if she buys a house. They would not let me
Speaker 1: do it. She put an offer in on a house,
Speaker 1: they accepted the offer, and for some reason, part of
Speaker 1: the contingency fell through and the house was never able
Speaker 1: to be bought. It was just like taking off the
Speaker 1: market or something. And thank god that happened, because I
Speaker 1: don't know that Amy would have come to Nashville with this,
Speaker 1: not because of me, but because her and her husband
Speaker 1: had just bought a house. So that one. And then
Speaker 1: Ray Mundo where Ray Mundo had come to me, and
Speaker 1: Ray was an intern for me. And the way that
Speaker 1: I met Ray was he was doing internships for different
Speaker 1: radio stations in the building and he was an intern
Speaker 1: for the sports station called thirteen hundred Zone in Austin,
Speaker 1: and they asked me if I would fill in on
Speaker 1: like a holiday or two, and I was like, that's cool.
Speaker 1: I love sports, why not? And I needed a producer
Speaker 1: and he was producing and I said, hey, man, do
Speaker 1: you want to produce this sports show? I didn't know him,
Speaker 1: and he was like, yeah, I would love to. That's
Speaker 1: how we knew each other. Then he came as an
Speaker 1: intern on the show. He was never a paid employee
Speaker 1: in Austin before I moved to Nashville, but I knew
Speaker 1: he wanted to be, and I was trying to help
Speaker 1: him find a job in some other city anywhere, because
Speaker 1: Ray just wanted to go and work and make a
Speaker 1: living out of doing radio. And I called him in
Speaker 1: the office and I knew I was going to Nashville,
Speaker 1: and I said, hey, man, I think I got you
Speaker 1: an offer in a different city. Do you care where
Speaker 1: it is? But I can't tell you right now? And
Speaker 1: he's like, I don't care. I'm going. Said, okay, I
Speaker 1: can tell you that city where the offer is, but
Speaker 1: I can't tell you really the show because of some legals.
Speaker 1: He's like, it's fine. I said, I really trust this
Speaker 1: show and I think you're gonna do great there, and
Speaker 1: they want you as like the head audio producer and
Speaker 1: he's cloud nine, like is the most exciting thing ever
Speaker 1: to him, and I get it because I know what
Speaker 1: that felt like. And I said, the show's in Nashville,
Speaker 1: but I can't say much else, and he's like, this
Speaker 1: is awesome. I'm moving to Nashville. And it was a
Speaker 1: while before I coul tell him the show was actually
Speaker 1: me and that he was going to move with us,
Speaker 1: and his first paid job was with me in Nashville
Speaker 1: and now paid. Ray has been thirteen years man looking
Speaker 1: back at all the guys on the show, like Amy
Speaker 1: and Lunchbox, about just about twenty years, Ray thirteen years,
Speaker 1: Eddie thirteen fourteen years. Like our crew has been together
Speaker 1: a long time. But I would say that's a behind
Speaker 1: the scenes story that really doesn't get shared a whole lot.
Speaker 1: I haven't really thought about it. I'll do a couple more.
Speaker 1: We're just doing fifty minutes. Oh, this is full fifty
Speaker 1: minutes club here. What's the most overrated artist of all time?
Speaker 1: We talked about this on the radio show recently. I
Speaker 1: can go into a little more depth on mine. I
Speaker 1: think the most overrated artist of all time is a band,
Speaker 1: and I think it's Youtwoe. Now that doesn't mean I
Speaker 1: don't think they're good or even great, because I do
Speaker 1: really like you too, but I think it's okay to
Speaker 1: say you two is really good, but also feel they're
Speaker 1: a bit overrated, and I can give you some reasons
Speaker 1: they get classic airplay consideration, like on classic rock stations
Speaker 1: for songs that weren't even hits, like Vertigo wasn't even
Speaker 1: a hit. It plays on classic rock, like just because
Speaker 1: they're you two, they just play their songs and I
Speaker 1: can get it more to that just because they're you two.
Speaker 1: But even like Elevation, that's not sweet Child of Mind
Speaker 1: and that's not smells like teen Spirit, So it gets
Speaker 1: played on like classic rock and even alternative stations they
Speaker 1: won't even hit back in the day. Okay, that's a
Speaker 1: dumb one, but I'll put it there. Bono at times
Speaker 1: is so annoying that his persona, the character he plays,
Speaker 1: gonna overshadow the music and make you not like the band. Now.
Speaker 1: I think it's great to be an activist, but I
Speaker 1: feel like he's activist first, and maybe his glasses just
Speaker 1: pissed me off. Like those glasses aren't even real sunglasses.
Speaker 1: I'm wearing sunglasses right now because I got lights right
Speaker 1: in my eyeballs, but like he wears the clear ones,
Speaker 1: they're not even sunglasses. But I feel like Bono's like
Speaker 1: Messiah complex even at times, and I don't know them,
Speaker 1: but that can dominate the narrative of youtwo. So even
Speaker 1: if the music's good. People that really love Bono are like, no, no,
Speaker 1: it's different. It's different. The iTunes thing still hits people
Speaker 1: because back in the day twenty fourteen ish, it was
Speaker 1: before the Couple in the World Series, but not way
Speaker 1: before the Couple in the World Series, that album Songs
Speaker 1: of Innocence was put on everybody's freaking iPod or iPhone.
Speaker 1: I guess I had to be iphoned. And so there
Speaker 1: was this You two album that wasn't even that good
Speaker 1: on everybody's iPhone. That did not help their legacy. And
Speaker 1: I remember they gave You away to delete it like
Speaker 1: a week later. That was significant. They haven't had a
Speaker 1: really good album in like twenty years. I looked when
Speaker 1: we were doing the segment for the show. They really
Speaker 1: haven't had anything in twenty twenty five years. And then
Speaker 1: it's almost like they've been treated as untouchable gods, like
Speaker 1: rock and roll gods. They do deserve to be in
Speaker 1: the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. I do like
Speaker 1: you too, but they have been basically the moral compass
Speaker 1: of rock, and that can wear thin when every album
Speaker 1: that comes out is also like attached to a global cause,
Speaker 1: and I love global causes. I do sign me up
Speaker 1: for more global causes. But it's like every album that
Speaker 1: comes out, it's like a different rainforest or something. It's like, bro,
Speaker 1: sometimes we just want a song to sing. It's like
Speaker 1: a Ted Talk. I don't need a Ted Talk for
Speaker 1: every song that you put out, Bono, but I do
Speaker 1: like you too, that's the weird thing. But I would
Speaker 1: say I think you two has absolutely earned their place
Speaker 1: in rock and roll Hall of Fame. I just don't
Speaker 1: think they need a throne inside the rock and Roll
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame to sit on and look down upon others.
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Speaker 1: Another question, has country music lost its identity or has
Speaker 1: country music evolved? Country music has always been losing quote,
Speaker 1: its identity since it was even invented. There has never
Speaker 1: been a time, there has never been a half decade
Speaker 1: where people weren't saying that ain't real country music. And
Speaker 1: we can walk through this too if you want. I
Speaker 1: feel like I've done this Ted Talk one hundred times
Speaker 1: because sin it's day one. People have said that country
Speaker 1: music is just not what it used to be. But
Speaker 1: country music has always been evolving and those changes are
Speaker 1: what keeps country music alive. And you can kind of
Speaker 1: walk through a decade by decade and look at every
Speaker 1: time that someone said this ain't real country, which makes
Speaker 1: you look at the people that say it now and
Speaker 1: you look at them almost with sympathy, like you're kind
Speaker 1: of dumb because it's been said over and over and
Speaker 1: over again to things that were told that weren't country
Speaker 1: that actually are again fundamentally what we think are country
Speaker 1: music now, like the nineteen thirties, nineteen forties, and that's
Speaker 1: back when the Grand Ole Opry started broadcasting, which I'm
Speaker 1: going to tonight, by the way, still thriving. Critics claim
Speaker 1: that the Opry was turning country music into a vaudeville
Speaker 1: act because of the stage, because of the talking, because
Speaker 1: of the fun back in the thirties and forties, And
Speaker 1: I really credit that country music documentary on PBS. It
Speaker 1: was fantastic. Bob Will introduced Western swing and fiddles mixed
Speaker 1: with jazz, and the whole world, the country music world
Speaker 1: turned over. And it's they're supposed to be dead grave
Speaker 1: because they used an electric amp on a still guitar,
Speaker 1: like that was not country. Isn't that crazy to think
Speaker 1: like a still guitar. At one point, Amped Up was
Speaker 1: not country music. But again, the people now that are
Speaker 1: going they're in a country. That was them telling Bob Wills,
Speaker 1: you ain't country, telling the Grand Ole Opry you ain't country.
Speaker 1: In the nineteen fifties, it was too much rock and roll, Elvis,
Speaker 1: Carl Perkins, Johnny Cash. They definitely blurred the lines with rockabilly.
Speaker 1: And if you ever heard of the Nashville sound, it
Speaker 1: was a much smoother type of country music. And the
Speaker 1: Nashville sound comes to mind now because Brian Wilson just
Speaker 1: died and Brian Wilson used the Wrecking Crew, and the
Speaker 1: Wrecking Crew had, you know, these artists that were like
Speaker 1: session players now, but the best. But that's what the
Speaker 1: Nashville sound kind of turned into. Very slick. It was
Speaker 1: like strings. It was an attempt to popularize pop up
Speaker 1: country music. But old school fans called that sellout music.
Speaker 1: But I mean, that's Patsy Klein, that's Jim Reeves, that's
Speaker 1: things we look at now, that's country music. In the
Speaker 1: seventies it was the outlaws are killing country music. What's
Speaker 1: weird now is like the outlaws are man. That's my
Speaker 1: favorite Outlaw era. But the Outlaws were told they weren't
Speaker 1: country music by the same people. Now they're going, that's
Speaker 1: not country music too. Insert whichever artists now they're mad at.
Speaker 1: But in the seventies it was all about the outlaws
Speaker 1: and how the outlaws are killing country music. Willie and
Speaker 1: Whalen and Chris Christofferson. They rejected all of that, the
Speaker 1: Nashville sound that was so smooth and polished. Critics called
Speaker 1: the outlaw music disrespectful, not traditional. So the music we
Speaker 1: look at now as what created country was looked at
Speaker 1: then as what's ruining country. There's definitely a pattern with
Speaker 1: annoying people going that ain't country. In the eighties it
Speaker 1: got to pop Alabama, Kenny Rodgers, Dolly Parton, Like everybody's
Speaker 1: like your pop artists, your pop artists, your pop artist.
Speaker 1: I mean, heck, Kenny Rogers was actually a pop artist.
Speaker 1: You know that song? Eh, what condition my condition was in?
Speaker 1: That was Kenny Rogers. And I'm not gonna say he
Speaker 1: was a failed pop artist, but he was a failed
Speaker 1: pop artist who then came to country. Dolly bounced back
Speaker 1: and forth because she could. Traditionalists were all pissed off
Speaker 1: at all these pop artists that were making country. How
Speaker 1: familiar does that sound right now? Probably very But they
Speaker 1: expanded the country music audience. They made people listen that
Speaker 1: normally wouldn't want to listen, while still dominated the country
Speaker 1: charts and the Garth Garth's Gonna Run Country and a
Speaker 1: lot of times because of his pyro stage shows, huge
Speaker 1: crossover success. Circus. Garth does the circus, it's not even
Speaker 1: a real tour. He became the biggest solo artist of
Speaker 1: all time. And now we look at Garth. There's no
Speaker 1: question Garth was country, but Garth was getting pushed back
Speaker 1: on being country. Two thousands. That's what we kind of
Speaker 1: got here broke country and that was beer and trucks
Speaker 1: and girls, and country music lost its soul. But bro
Speaker 1: country again did what some of those other generations were
Speaker 1: they It brought new fans. The first time I heard
Speaker 1: Nelly and Florida Georgian Line do Cruise, I was like,
Speaker 1: that's it, And yeah, looking back, was it kind of lame? No? No,
Speaker 1: it wasn't. It was awesome for the time. And I
Speaker 1: think it sucks to say the word bro country to
Speaker 1: like Luke Brian who's a friend of mine. But they
Speaker 1: weren't doing bro country. To do bro country. That was
Speaker 1: just a vibe at the time, And you're gonna tell
Speaker 1: me that didn't bring tons of fans in. And it's
Speaker 1: easy and it feels good to hate on bro country now,
Speaker 1: but it was really good. Like it got corny because
Speaker 1: everybody started doing it, and then it got very corny.
Speaker 1: Today there's too much hip hop, there's too much pop,
Speaker 1: Post Malone, Diplo, Beyonce. That ain't country, But what even
Speaker 1: is country? And the one thing that has stayed consistent
Speaker 1: with country music as it's always evolving, And the one
Speaker 1: thing that stays consistent is people are going, well, that
Speaker 1: ain't country. So the next time you see somebody go well,
Speaker 1: that ain't country, just know they're a freaking idiot because
Speaker 1: it's impossible to say what's not country. There are some
Speaker 1: things now that could be happening that in ten years
Speaker 1: won't still be country because the actual gatekeepers are the people,
Speaker 1: the consumer. But when you see somebody or an article
Speaker 1: written by whomever going this ain't country music, just know
Speaker 1: they've called the Grand Ole Op revidable. And that same
Speaker 1: rider was probably doing that in the thirties and forties
Speaker 1: on a different timeline. They don't know anything about music
Speaker 1: that you don't know. So had country music never changed
Speaker 1: and also boxes for an hour, I'm not going to
Speaker 1: it would have died in a barn in the thirties.
Speaker 1: The only constant country music is that somebody always sucks
Speaker 1: and it's changing it. So that's what's up. It's not
Speaker 1: losing its identity. It's always trying to find its new identity,
Speaker 1: is what I would say there. I want to do
Speaker 1: two more questions. If you had one hour of uninterrupted
Speaker 1: airtime that every American had to listen to, what would
Speaker 1: you say? It's good? I think I would say that
Speaker 1: we're all way, way way more alike than we are different,
Speaker 1: and that politicians need to divide you to exist, like
Speaker 1: they need to divide you like we need water and air.
Speaker 1: So the politicians that you're a huge fan of, if
Speaker 1: you are a huge fan of, they need you to
Speaker 1: not like the other party because that's what's going to
Speaker 1: motivate you. I watched this thing once and it was
Speaker 1: one of those shows like twenty twenty your Nightline. They
Speaker 1: had all these people that were trying to lose weight,
Speaker 1: and they said, okay, we have this first group and
Speaker 1: we're gonna give them the offer of if you lose
Speaker 1: twenty pounds and eight weeks, we're gonna give you one
Speaker 1: thousand dollars. We have this other group the same amount
Speaker 1: of people, different people, but same amount. And if you
Speaker 1: don't lose that weight, we've taken nude pictures of you.
Speaker 1: We're gonna post them on the internet. So it was
Speaker 1: positive versus negative reward. You know. The one that worked
Speaker 1: that actually motivated people was the negative reward, like crazy,
Speaker 1: because people are like, well, yeah, this sucks. I guess
Speaker 1: I don't need the thousand. Well, people don't want their
Speaker 1: wieners on the internet if they don't put it on there.
Speaker 1: And so negativity always moves people. We've seen some really
Speaker 1: bad things in history with negativity and division. So politicians
Speaker 1: they yearn to divide generally, they need it. They need
Speaker 1: you divided, and they need you fighting. And in that fight,
Speaker 1: you need to fight for them. So you're more like
Speaker 1: the person that you can't stand than you ever thought
Speaker 1: you were. And the politicians that you know as mostly
Speaker 1: being anti something, they're being pro something. Dirt balls. Dirt balls.
Speaker 1: If you can think of like ten politicians and if
Speaker 1: the first thing you think of is what they're against
Speaker 1: instead of what they're for, dirt balls, broken system. That's
Speaker 1: probably what I would say. One final question, what's one
Speaker 1: conspiracy theory that you don't have to say you believe,
Speaker 1: but you also can't let go of Epstein didn't kill himself.
Speaker 1: There's no way Epstein kill himself. I mean there's a way,
Speaker 1: I guess because I wasn't there, But just let me
Speaker 1: lay out some stuff for you here. But Epstein and
Speaker 1: supposedly now they're like, no, we saw it. I thought
Speaker 1: the camera's broken. How can you see it now? Number One,
Speaker 1: he was on suicide watch and then he was mysteriously
Speaker 1: taken off suicide watch. They had him under supervision twenty
Speaker 1: four to seven because he had already quote attempted suicide.
Speaker 1: So he's on suicide watch, they're watching him, and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden they take him off suicide of watch,
Speaker 1: and that's when he kills himself because they basically gave
Speaker 1: him the opportunity to do it. Fishy. Next up, both
Speaker 1: security cameras malfunctioned at the same moment. The surveillance cameras
Speaker 1: outside of a cell conveniently failed at the same time.
Speaker 1: You're gonna tell me that they both died at the
Speaker 1: exact same time, and that one exact time, not just
Speaker 1: a random time where they just flipped him back on,
Speaker 1: was the one time he killed himself. That's like your
Speaker 1: ring doorbell cam dying right before the burglar breaks in,
Speaker 1: like five seconds before the burglar breaks in. And that's
Speaker 1: only one camera, not even two of them. Both guards
Speaker 1: fell asleep at the same time as the cameras went down,
Speaker 1: at the same time. Both guards went to sleep at
Speaker 1: the same time. Two trained federal officers fell asleep during
Speaker 1: the same shift, during the most high profile suicide risk
Speaker 1: in custody. That's not just bad luck in random. That
Speaker 1: is extremely suspicious. The other one is he was about
Speaker 1: to name names supposedly court documents, and there was testimony
Speaker 1: that implicated powerful people, billionaires, politicians, royalty. He wasn't just
Speaker 1: a threat to them. He was a freaking loaded gun
Speaker 1: pointed right out him. You know another one, his cellmate
Speaker 1: was pulled out right before he died. So you got
Speaker 1: two cameras to go down, you got two guards that
Speaker 1: go to sleep, you got him taken off suicide watch,
Speaker 1: and you got a cellmate pulled out right before he died.
Speaker 1: That sealmate was in there for quote safety, and they
Speaker 1: removed the one person that would have been a witness.
Speaker 1: His injuries didn't match a hanging. The government closed the
Speaker 1: book super fast. They're like, yeh done. Epstein killed himself,
Speaker 1: all right. Next up, and then the really weird one
Speaker 1: was Giselaine Maxwell. You know, you see it in all
Speaker 1: the pictures with him. It was like his girlfriend or
Speaker 1: like his trafficking partner or both. Like she was convicted
Speaker 1: of trafficking kids, but to no one. She was found
Speaker 1: guilty of trafficking underage girls to clients. But there is
Speaker 1: no list, there's no follow up, no no names. We're
Speaker 1: what's happening here. So that's the one. I don't know
Speaker 1: anybody who thinks that he actually killed himself. Yeah, that's crazy,
Speaker 1: that's crazy. Okay, that's it. We did fifty minutes fifty
Speaker 1: minute club. We're done. We'll do it again sometime soon.
Speaker 1: Thank you. If you enjoyed these one on ones, please
Speaker 1: let me know. We'll do another one next week week after.
Speaker 1: I don't know, we'll see how it goes. All right,
Speaker 1: that's it for this episode of the Bobby Cast. We
Speaker 1: do coming up, we have Mark Cuban coming up. We
Speaker 1: have Brooks and Dunn coming up, interviews with them that
Speaker 1: are super cool. I'm super excited to have. So I
Speaker 1: appreciate you guys listening and we will see you guys soon.
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