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Speaker 1: I'm excited for today's episode because we're gonna talk deer hunting.

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Speaker 1: We're also going to talk about when you want to

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Speaker 1: and do let's be calling for deer something a lot

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Speaker 1: of people are really apprehensive about trying because it does

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Speaker 1: take a certain level of skill, not necessarily how to

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Speaker 1: blow the call that certain film, but knowing when to.

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Speaker 1: Boy called Jeff Scott Woodhaven Custom Game Calls. He's going

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Speaker 1: to jump in with me and we're going to talk

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Speaker 1: everything to your hunting. This is one of my favorite

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Speaker 1: times of the year. I love deer hunting, I love

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Speaker 1: turkey hunting, I love duck hunting. But the fall, when

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Speaker 1: you kick off with dove season in those states and

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Speaker 1: then you get into deer season in lightful season, it

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Speaker 1: signifies more than just going out and trying to hunt

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Speaker 1: a buck or a doe would do for me. It's

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Speaker 1: really everything that has to do with the fall, college football,

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Speaker 1: the NFL hunting. Those brisk mornings, wake up and you

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Speaker 1: can hear that or feel that cold air hitcher lungs.

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Speaker 1: These are the times that we all live for. Jeff

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Speaker 1: Scott from wood Haven has jumped in with me on

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Speaker 1: lines and times and we've talked about different calls, because

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Speaker 1: that's probably one of the most intimidating things for somebody

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Speaker 1: to go out into the woods to realize what calls

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Speaker 1: exist and how they can use them in different situations.

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Speaker 1: Woodhaven started making a grunk call. How many years ago?

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Speaker 1: I think we're seven years deep now, Okay, so it's

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Speaker 1: still relatively new to the product line, because you guys

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Speaker 1: have been known for turkey calls for years.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, twenty five years now.

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Speaker 1: Most people may not know this, but deer are pretty vocal.

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Speaker 2: They are.

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Speaker 1: They're not as vocal as some other big species that

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Speaker 1: people know about, like elker obviously really vocal, but people

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Speaker 1: don't really associate vocal tendencies with deer.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they typically you know, during the ruts when they

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Speaker 2: think they hear most vocalizations. But deer use these, like

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Speaker 2: I said, with those and phones, they use their low

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Speaker 2: vocalizations all the time, the bleeds and stuff like that.

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Speaker 2: So it's not something that just typically happened during those

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Speaker 2: magical two weeks in November December.

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Speaker 1: I always laugh because the first time I sat in

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Speaker 1: a deer stand, it was when they weren't really talking,

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Speaker 1: you know, I wasn't hearing a lot of bucks grunt.

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Speaker 1: I wasn't hearing a doe bleed or anything like that.

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Speaker 1: But I'll never forget sitting in the woods and hearing

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Speaker 1: a fawn let out a big old scream and I

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Speaker 1: had to sit there and try to figure out, like,

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Speaker 1: what the hell was that.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, it's kind of like the first time I heard

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Speaker 2: a bobcat in the woods. I was almost scared. At

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Speaker 2: the point I was want to go home because.

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Speaker 1: I thought, what does a bobcast sound like?

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Speaker 2: There's noise, it's not like a woman's screaming.

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, it's scary. It's it's kind of freaky when

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Speaker 1: you're in the wood, especially when the sun's getting ready

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Speaker 1: to come up, or if you're doing an afternoon set

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Speaker 1: and the sun's starting to go down.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, you hear.

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Speaker 1: These noises in the woods. Like I don't know why

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Speaker 1: I think this, but I always go back to like

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Speaker 1: Native Americans, what did they think when they were sitting

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Speaker 1: is that?

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Speaker 2: It's like fight or flight. I'm not sure what hunter.

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Speaker 2: Do we go after it or away from it? Or

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Speaker 2: what do we do?

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Speaker 1: So we're going to get into some calling techniques and

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Speaker 1: different things that you should do. And really it gives

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Speaker 1: you an opportunity to save this episode of the podcast

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Speaker 1: and go back and listen to it because you can

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Speaker 1: actually learn a lot from it. So we're gonna start

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Speaker 1: out with deer season. For sure, this is a big time.

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Speaker 1: But you can misused calls. You can call too much,

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Speaker 1: you can call too little, and you could be doing

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Speaker 1: it at the wrong time.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, yeah, I mean you're one hundred percent correct on that.

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Speaker 2: And you know, we try to educate people on the

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Speaker 2: times of when to use it. It's just back like

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Speaker 2: turkey elk duck. It's when to call and not how

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Speaker 2: to call. Because the grunk calls are pretty much fuel

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Speaker 2: proof far as you just straight air into those and

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Speaker 2: they get the sound out that you're looking for. So

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Speaker 2: you got really got to understand and be a steward

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Speaker 1: We've talked about this before, but reading the body language

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Speaker 1: of an animal. Yes, if you don't see the buck

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Speaker 1: and you hear a buck off in the distance, how

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Speaker 1: yourself to that animal to let him know that there's

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Speaker 1: a potential other buck over here that he's going to

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Speaker 2: First thing I'll automatically is pause and kind of figure

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Speaker 2: out what's going on. Why did he make that noise?

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Speaker 2: Did I hear a lot of rustling footsteps and stuff

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Speaker 2: like he may be chasing a doe? Or did I

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Speaker 2: hear antler's crashing like he just got into a fight

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Speaker 2: with another deer. You know, all that different approaches to

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Speaker 2: how what sounds you're going to make next. So if

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Speaker 2: I heard horns clashing and stuff like he just got

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Speaker 2: in a fight and ran the buck off, he now

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Speaker 2: to challenge him a little bit more aggressively to see

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Speaker 2: a Now, so.

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Speaker 1: You're trying to go after the one that just got

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Speaker 1: into a fight and won the fight, Yeah, are you

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Speaker 1: less concerned about the one that lost the fight that

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Speaker 2: Well, if he is, he's not going to be He's

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Speaker 2: not going to come in for another fight, not that day.

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Speaker 2: I don't think he's going to going to scurry on,

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Speaker 2: And you know, go to the gold Lake Royal corner

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Speaker 2: and assess the situation.

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Speaker 1: All right, So once a fight breaks out between two bucks, yeah,

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Speaker 1: the one that wins typically becomes the dominant buck of

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Speaker 1: that area. He's already itching for a fight because it's like, Oh,

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Speaker 1: if I got through one, I got to get through too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because at that time of year, their testosteroneus through

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Speaker 2: the roof, just like turkeys, and that's what makes them

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Speaker 2: change their whole whole game plan. He probably was friends

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Speaker 2: with this deer all year long, up until weeks before this,

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Speaker 2: and now they're ready to kill each other.

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Speaker 1: So let's talk about this grunt tube that you have.

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Speaker 1: It's a little different than one some of the ones

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Speaker 1: that I've seen. This kind of looks like it's almost

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Speaker 1: like a It kind of looks like it has a

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Speaker 2: It does. Our two best selling grunt calls, the Intimidator,

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Speaker 2: which I have here in our Midwest, have the snort

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Speaker 2: wheel on top, and that's one of the deadliest calls

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Speaker 2: in the deer would especially during the rut, because that

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Speaker 2: is the ultimate challenging sound to a dominant buck.

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Speaker 1: Give everybody a taste of what a snort wheeze is.

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Speaker 2: It's just kind of like a like a three burst

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Speaker 2: his ultimate aggression towards everything. And it took us a

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Speaker 2: while to design this snort weeds which will fix to

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Speaker 2: the tough our grunt called and we got like a

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Speaker 2: rectangular tube in here and even to the dimensions of

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Speaker 2: that last push hold it out, yeah, because that's that's

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Speaker 2: the sound he's like saying that this is my final

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Speaker 2: warning before I'm coming. And usually if you do that

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Speaker 2: to him, I've washed them and their hair on their

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Speaker 1: If you do that twice, is it okay? If you

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Speaker 1: do it three times, four times, five times, it's probably

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Speaker 2: I typically just do it once until I get some

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Speaker 2: if he's going away from you, you know, keep hitting

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Speaker 2: him because it could be though the wind's going whatnot,

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Speaker 2: he may not heard you. Because this this is a frequency.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't carry very far.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, volume actually matters a lot, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and in this close range this is this is

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Speaker 2: hand to hand combat type stuff, you know, And then

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Speaker 2: you can hit him with the grunt on the outside.

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Speaker 2: And our intimidator here has an lexture tube on it

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Speaker 2: which is rubber and it's not plastic like you know

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Speaker 2: some other models and everything, and it doesn't make that

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Speaker 1: Out, the accordion noise.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, and you know you want to you know,

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Speaker 2: you can actually stretch this and and sound like a

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Speaker 2: deer running a lot of times when the grunt they're

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Speaker 2: they're trotting, and you know, it's it's an odd sound,

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Speaker 2: but people think like that comes out of a deer, Like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: all right.

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Speaker 1: So because that tube can move, you can make it longer,

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Speaker 1: you can make it somewhat shorter, you can bend it up,

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Speaker 1: bend it down, whatever it is that gives you different inflection.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, and you can kind of throw it away from

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Speaker 2: that you're moving around too, because he's not here in

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Speaker 2: the footsteps. That's what he's listening for a lot of times.

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Speaker 1: Now, how important is it with your hand on the

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Speaker 1: bottom because that's where the sound actually comes out. You

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Speaker 1: don't want to block that. Like with some duck calls,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you do with the grunt? I just

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Speaker 2: kind of hold that the rubber inflection tube halfway in

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Speaker 1: A c okay, So similar to a duck call, you

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Speaker 1: just don't squeeze at the.

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Speaker 2: End, yeah, just for control, but you also have a

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Speaker 2: squeeze so if the deer's close, you can just lightly

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Speaker 2: hit him. Because a lot of times the deer's grunt

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Speaker 2: is so minute. That's why people say they've never heard it.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's just very minut But a deer can

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Speaker 2: hear way better than we.

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Speaker 1: Can because they're just trying to grunt like every couple

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Speaker 2: Around, unless he's in a chase for one, and then

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Speaker 2: he's then he's pretty aggressive.

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Speaker 1: He's just screaming, and.

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Speaker 2: That's that's a lot of times you want to intimidate

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Speaker 2: that sound. He wants to warner. He's like I got

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Speaker 2: to get in this game over here, because he's either

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Speaker 2: got one of my girls or there's one ready.

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Speaker 1: So let's say that a buck is just kind of

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Speaker 1: cruising through the woods. You're just trying to get his attention.

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Speaker 1: You've seen him, he probably hasn't seen you. You just

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Speaker 1: go really light, really short, yeah, quick bursts.

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Speaker 2: I just kind of hold it, Like I said, I'm

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Speaker 2: not trying to manipulate the inflection tube or anything like that.

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Speaker 2: I just kind of just hit him just a little

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Speaker 2: bit goo. And then if I got a visual on him,

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Speaker 2: that's that's your your way ahead of the game already.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So once you do that, you got a visual

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Speaker 1: sounds coming. Because we know how good their ears are.

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Speaker 2: Yes, you don't do a thing, no, because it's kind

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Speaker 1: I've had some people say to me before, though, if

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Speaker 1: But if they look right at you, a lot of

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Speaker 2: In the water. That's where you've got to be able

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Speaker 2: if you're not moving, you're not a threat, and that's

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Speaker 2: when you can leave them. Let him turn his head.

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Speaker 2: Maybe that's that's the good thing about being a flexus tube.

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Speaker 2: Or if you got a gun, you're a lot better

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Speaker 1: So the general thumb, when you're calling in a buck,

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Speaker 1: all right, we talked about bucks that are fighting, gotcha.

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Speaker 1: If you're trying to get the attention of a buck

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Speaker 2: No, right, they're not going to hear you.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So all the clashing and all that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 2: I kind of give it like a good minute or two,

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Speaker 2: You just kind of give it a minute. Let him

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Speaker 2: calm down. He's getting his bearings back about him now,

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Speaker 2: he's looking around for the girl that he just won.

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Speaker 1: But sound also matters too, right, So if you hear

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Speaker 1: one start to scamper off, because usually the one that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and the main guy, the buck that just won,

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Speaker 2: is going to push that deer off. He's going to

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Speaker 1: So you want the woods to kind of settle just

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Speaker 2: I'm geting a little more aggressive with him, and hopefully

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Speaker 2: I'm i kind of hear him walking because deer loud,

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Speaker 2: just wait and hold him just second and kind of

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Speaker 1: A And you were flexing the tube out just a

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Speaker 2: Of guttural tone from that and to make him think,

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Speaker 2: all right, now there's somebody else over there that I'm

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Speaker 1: I've dealt with a lot of people who have been

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Speaker 1: the reason behind the.

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Speaker 2: Bleat because typically that if it's during the ruts, she's

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Speaker 2: kind of getting away from him. It's kind of more

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Speaker 2: not nothing proven factual, but every time I've seen it

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Speaker 2: there he's loving what's called a tending grunt, which just

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Speaker 1: What's the tending grunt? Did we do that?

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Speaker 2: It's just more of like the duck I feet called

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Speaker 2: the tick tick.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's hit that. Let's try.

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Speaker 2: Okay, it's just a little quick and as he's kind

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Speaker 2: of walking, try after and if he can't catch them

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Speaker 2: typically they can outrun the dose that they eventually can

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Speaker 1: It looks like you were kind of doing soft blows.

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Speaker 1: You weren't like really getting after it. You're not blowing

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Speaker 2: Know you're able to really lightly tap that tap that

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Speaker 1: So when's the right time to do a dough bleed

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Speaker 2: Not many. You know, if I think I'm in kind

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Speaker 2: Then wait fifteen to twenty minutes, you know, do it again,

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Speaker 2: there's nothing going on. You know, and typically you've got

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Speaker 1: God, it just feels like there could be way too

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of like when you fish, like, do what

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Speaker 1: bring excitement to a room that's not excited. Same way

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Speaker 1: with waterfowl, calling turkeys, elk and everything. You know, if

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Speaker 1: When have you successfully called in a buck where you

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Speaker 2: I'll never forget. Ten years ago, I was I was

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Speaker 1: Is this in the middle of So this is right

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right at Thanksgiving for us, and you know it

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Speaker 2: probably was going on before that. Sure, they come blowing

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Speaker 2: keep my calls hanging close by. I used one of

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Speaker 1: They do you shocked that that worked? Oh?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he locked them down, bro, He locked them down

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Speaker 2: come in head sideways, frank and turning it yeah, almost

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Speaker 1: You know. I was hunting in Illinois at a buddy

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Speaker 1: But this box blind is one of the old Amish blinds,

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Speaker 1: All of a sudden, I look out of my peripheral

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Speaker 2: That's how attentive they are this stuff.

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Speaker 1: the fight. We've seen videos, we're in the middle of

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Speaker 1: a fight, they don't care about anything that happen. No,

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Speaker 1: you could walk up to them like smack them on

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Speaker 1: the ass and they don't care. Yeah, but there are

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Speaker 1: moments where sometimes they're doing that play fight and a

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Speaker 1: lot of people don't realize that they're very much attentive

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Speaker 1: of what's happening and they're surrounding. Absolutely, you can still

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Speaker 1: have an opportunity. But the fact that he came in

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Speaker 1: on the grunt. Now I'm realizing he heard the grunt,

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Speaker 1: but then he looked and he saw that ten where

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Speaker 1: I didn't see the ten. So I finally I kind

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Speaker 1: of felt like I screwed myself up. But I feel

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Speaker 1: like if I didn't grunt, I don't know if that

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Speaker 1: would have happened.

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Speaker 2: I had a similar scenario that the books weren't fighting,

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Speaker 2: but you know, I go through my pre hunt checklist.

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Speaker 2: Make sure I've always drawn my bubble, make sure I've

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Speaker 2: got range of movement and all that. With turkeys, I

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Speaker 2: look around, make sure there's nothing, no blocks coming up,

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Speaker 2: like you know, creeks, fences, stuff like that. Well, my

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Speaker 2: safety harness, I did not pay attention and I had

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Speaker 2: done moved around and spun and stuff, and well it

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Speaker 2: got kind of turned on my shoulder. There comes in.

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Speaker 2: I go to draw, and I get locked out the

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Speaker 2: quarters of the way and the straps out of slack,

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Speaker 2: and now I'm looking like there's nowhere to go.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the checklist that I think everybody should have,

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Speaker 1: especially when you're bow hunting, it's probably the most vital

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Speaker 1: when you're bow hunting, is if you have a rangefinder.

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Speaker 1: I do this to Turkey season two. If you have

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Speaker 1: a range finder, sit down wherever you're going to be,

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Speaker 1: if you're in a stand, or if you're sitting on

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Speaker 1: the ground, and find your landmarks that you can shoot

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Speaker 1: with your rangefinder to know exactly where you're at. It

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Speaker 1: is that it's like the number one thing that I

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Speaker 1: see people forget to do.

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Speaker 2: I don't. I use mine in so many areas I

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Speaker 2: use mine duck and goose hunting people. That's crazy, Yes,

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Speaker 2: decoy place me that way, I know exactly where my

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Speaker 2: shots are. Great, idea forty yards and I'll start ranging

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Speaker 2: decoys or I'll put like if you're on a field

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Speaker 2: edge or something, then you've got the decoys out in

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Speaker 2: front of you. I want them started so I know

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Speaker 2: exactly how far it is because you go set it down.

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Speaker 2: How many times have you've been Turkey and you go

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Speaker 2: set a decoy up in the dark, like, oh, that's

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Speaker 2: thirty yards in daylight and the thing is twelve yards

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Speaker 2: in front of you.

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Speaker 1: If people don't realize how far forty yards is, it's

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Speaker 1: only one.

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Speaker 2: Hundred and twenty feet exactly.

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Speaker 1: And if you ask somebody to mark out one hundred

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Speaker 1: feet without going he'll to tell like, just look at something,

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Speaker 1: Just tell me where it is. We're always grossers.

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Speaker 2: On builds to you far strange it looks. Will do

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Speaker 2: the same. If you're looking at the tree, thinking.

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Speaker 1: Enough, turn this thing is.

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Speaker 2: I did not shoot at thinking man, You then come

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Speaker 2: to find out I go to step it off, which

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Speaker 2: you're looking arrange and realize that or.

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Speaker 1: The worst you're sitting in your stand it's not even shooting.

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Speaker 1: Like here in the as you look up you see

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Speaker 1: a shadow. You locking on that shadow. Ye kin look

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Speaker 1: at that shadow.

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Speaker 2: And comes up and it comes up. It's the stump.

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Speaker 1: I've got.

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Speaker 2: You've got to be ready for that, expecting the rains

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Speaker 2: and leaks and raising objects, knowing that war. That's all

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Speaker 2: you don't you don't have time to do that.

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Speaker 1: This pleasible. Hopefully you guys have a successful, dear season.

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Speaker 1: Let us know how it goes. You can find me

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Speaker 1: mister Spencer Graves on Instagram and Facebook