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Speaker 1: Welcome to a special Bonus episode, Part two with Josh

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Speaker 1: and Craig enjoy Well. One of the things I wanted

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Speaker 1: to talk to you guys about specifically for your podcast is, Josh,

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Speaker 1: I heard you on Jesse Tyler Ferguson's podcast talk about

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Speaker 1: how doing the Rewatch has been very healing for how

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Speaker 1: critical you have sometimes been about your own participation or

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Speaker 1: performance on the show. And that's something that I know,

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Speaker 1: especially for writer, is something he has experienced as well.

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Speaker 1: Can you talk with us a little bit more about

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Speaker 1: what the Rewatch has done for the way you look

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Speaker 1: back on the show?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, you know, I think that.

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Speaker 3: I come from the theater, right and and that those

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Speaker 3: are That's how I fell in love with acting, and

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Speaker 3: that's where I kind of thought of myself, like that's

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Speaker 3: where I'm a theater actor.

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Speaker 2: And the blessing of the theater is it goes away.

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Speaker 3: You know, you do it and it evanesses into the air,

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Speaker 3: and then you come back, you do it again and

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Speaker 3: no one's like, this is what you look like last night,

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Speaker 3: this is what you did, or this is when you

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Speaker 3: didn't hit that line or moment and there was something

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Speaker 3: you know I had done.

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Speaker 2: I think it was my fourth pilot.

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Speaker 3: I had done a bunch of guest stars, so I

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Speaker 3: had done some on camera work, and I was still

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Speaker 3: acquainting myself with my face, you know what I looked like.

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Speaker 3: And you know when you're a kid and you hear

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Speaker 3: your voice on tape for the first time, you're like,

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Speaker 3: so that way, Yeah it's grotesque. Yeah, it's like it's like.

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Speaker 4: They had that experience, but in front of thirty million people.

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Speaker 4: But I think it took me.

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Speaker 3: I had some time to I needed some time to

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Speaker 3: acquaint myself with like, Okay, this is what I look

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Speaker 3: like and this is what my body is. And I

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Speaker 3: was I was having to everyone else, even including Kobe,

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Speaker 3: had just they had made more peace, I think with

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Speaker 3: themselves or weren't as self conscious as me for some reason.

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Speaker 3: But I remember, especially in those early seasons, I was

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Speaker 3: very hard on myself and I didn't even watch all

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Speaker 3: the episodes. But sometimes I would be like pleasantly surprised,

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Speaker 3: and other times.

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Speaker 5: I'd be like, oh, I hate that.

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Speaker 2: I hate that. And just watching watching the.

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Speaker 3: Show again all these years later with my wife and

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Speaker 3: where my life is now, I have this detachment, like

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Speaker 3: I'm watching it from a distance, and I'm so I

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Speaker 3: almost am like in dialogue with that younger actor who

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Speaker 3: like like I sit him down and be like, you

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Speaker 3: did a great job. He did a great job. And

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Speaker 3: I thought in certain ways that the value of my performance,

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Speaker 3: that joke was funny, whether I had a good ale,

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Speaker 3: a bad episode, nail to beat. But but the truth is,

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Speaker 3: and I think, Will, this is what you're talking about, Like,

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Speaker 3: when it's perfectly cast, it's almost like your essence is doing.

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Speaker 2: A lot of the work.

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Speaker 5: Yes, you're just showing up.

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Speaker 3: You're just showing up, and like it's the five of

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Speaker 3: us around a booth and for whatever reason, that works,

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Speaker 3: and I see that the show works and it and

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Speaker 3: I was a vital part of that working. And in

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Speaker 3: some ways, my naivete and my like very young face

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Speaker 3: me for that I wasn't even in control of in

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Speaker 3: a way, So I just have made some peace with

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Speaker 3: like I understand why people love this show. I understand

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Speaker 3: many people's hearts, and I'm I'm walking around like even

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Speaker 3: Jordana said, you're a lot different. Like since the podcast

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Speaker 3: has been on, when people come up to you and

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Speaker 3: want to talk about how I met mother, I can

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Speaker 3: tell you're different. It's a much more like engage way.

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Speaker 3: And I just had to make some peace with it.

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Speaker 3: I thought that when I got off the show, I

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Speaker 3: But the truth was I actually had to turn around

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Speaker 3: of my biography, this will always be with me, and

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Speaker 3: let's stop like running from it and just like love

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Speaker 3: it because it was wonderful.

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Speaker 6: That's now, curiously, does does you know I know she'd

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Speaker 6: lie to you because she loves you. But does your

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Speaker 6: wife like the show?

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Speaker 3: She loves the show and not, but she's a binger,

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Speaker 3: so she's like she doesn't like watching one a week.

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Speaker 5: It's like she's having to like.

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Speaker 2: Go back to, you know, the old days. I didn't

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Speaker 3: She wants to keep watching, and if we have to

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Speaker 3: watch too. She gets really excited, but she.

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Speaker 2: Is mirroring you know.

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Speaker 3: There was I remember there was an episode first season,

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Speaker 3: and I think I talked about in the podcast Craig

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Speaker 3: where Jordana turned to me and she goes, I'm totally

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Speaker 4: I was so terrified, Like I was like, what if

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Speaker 4: she doesn't like the show. This whole podcast was because she.

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Speaker 6: Says away, we'd be she'd be on our podcast right now,

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Speaker 6: going so I'm doing a podcast about how.

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Speaker 7: I hate my husband.

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Speaker 8: Companion piece.

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Speaker 3: Well, she was actually she's she's taking some time off.

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Speaker 3: But on the first season she was a guest star

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Speaker 3: in every episode we had what was it called crack.

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Speaker 3: It was called Questions and Observations from a clinical psychologist

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Speaker 3: who's never seen how I Met your mother, who also

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Speaker 2: We whole acronyms, and she was great because she One

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Speaker 3: We're really doing on the show that I really love

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Speaker 3: is we're we're getting underneath it like we're really excavating it.

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Speaker 2: It's almost like a college class. And like how I

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Speaker 3: Miss you know she really she's quite a deep, you

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Speaker 3: And you know her thesis was on the connection between

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Speaker 3: love and death, which is like a great thing for

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Speaker 3: How I met your mother? You know, yeah, she so

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Speaker 3: she she lent a lot of GRAVI toss I think

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Speaker 3: to the first season and we've been getting some letters

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Speaker 2: So back in Man.

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Speaker 1: Now on the flip side, is there anything for either

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Speaker 1: PTSD that you've seen it and you're like, oh god,

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Speaker 8: Not so warm and fuzzy.

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Speaker 7: It gives you the ick.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, yeah, there have there have been a

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Speaker 4: few things that you know, twenty years later, like play

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Speaker 4: insensitively in wish that I'm like, I just we wouldn't

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Speaker 4: we all change, the world changes, we all grow up,

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Speaker 5: Know better, you do better. We know better now.

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Speaker 4: There are certain jokes that we made, and thank god,

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Speaker 4: they're fairly few and far between, but there are some

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Speaker 4: And there's been a few of those that leap out,

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Speaker 4: and we've really tried to own them on our podcast

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Speaker 4: the other parts we're really proud of, and it's really complicated,

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Speaker 5: You have to go like, this is what it's almost.

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Speaker 4: It is healing in a weird way to go back

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Speaker 4: I'm happy to have this place where I can admit it.

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Speaker 3: We got We often start the episodes of How We

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Speaker 3: So moving and it was about we we we linked

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Speaker 3: It was kind of just a silly joke. It didn't

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Speaker 3: It's like we had a really deep discussion about words

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's tricky in comedy because you know, part

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Speaker 3: So I think there is a kind of like appropriate

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: I mean, it's all you can do is is reflect

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Speaker 6: thank god, that's not what it's like anymore.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, yeah, and I think you know, I wrote

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Speaker 3: and directed this movie, the first movie I've directed, called Happy,

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Speaker 3: Thank You More Please, And there's a moment in there

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Speaker 3: my character talks about a writer told him that every

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Speaker 3: five years, you realize what an asshole you were five

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Speaker 3: I think this is actually a good sign that you're growing,

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Speaker 3: a like, why did I doubt? Why did I say that?

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Speaker 3: Because it means you're you're updating yourself.

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Speaker 4: And I'm so grateful. Josh reference that a message from

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Speaker 3: complain to me about this as much as you want.

442
00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:26,440
Speaker 3: And it was so beautiful because it normally you feel like, well,

443
00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:28,959
Speaker 3: I want to be grateful. I don't want to, you know,

444
00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:32,199
Speaker 3: spit in the face of this thing. But it is

445
00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:35,560
Speaker 3: disorienting and it does produce a kind of vertigo. And

446
00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:37,840
Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe just for me and Rider, I

447
00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:40,000
Speaker 3: don't know, like it could not other people I think

448
00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:43,560
Speaker 3: might deal with this or be less introspective or kind

449
00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:44,720
Speaker 3: of beat themselves up around this.

450
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Speaker 2: But for me it was really hard.

451
00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:51,200
Speaker 3: And that's why the podcast and the marriage have been great.

452
00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:52,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, and one came out of the other.

453
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Speaker 4: Rider, how where I have to know? Where are you

454
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Speaker 4: and you're making peace with us? Looking back on it,

455
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Speaker 4: I think you were the one that had seen the

456
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Speaker 4: least of your your own show. Of the three of

457
00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:04,600
Speaker 4: you guys, right, where are you now having gone through it? Like,

458
00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:07,359
Speaker 4: where do you find that healing or forgiveness that Josh

459
00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:07,880
Speaker 4: is talking about?

460
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Speaker 2: Yeah?

461
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Speaker 9: Exactly, Yeah, No, this has been it. I mean, this

462
00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:11,800
Speaker 9: is the podcast has been it for me. I mean

463
00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:15,639
Speaker 9: it was like perfect midlife crisis, like you know it

464
00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:18,800
Speaker 9: and Josh you put it perfectly when you said, you know,

465
00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:22,640
Speaker 9: hugging that former self like that's basically what this has

466
00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:25,800
Speaker 9: been for me. And then now, yeah, when people recognize me,

467
00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:27,920
Speaker 9: like I used to just run away, like I would

468
00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:30,800
Speaker 9: literally run away, like I would avoid being recognized, I'd

469
00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:31,760
Speaker 9: avoid everything.

470
00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:33,120
Speaker 5: And now I.

471
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Speaker 9: Can just be like, Wow, this is really great and

472
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,440
Speaker 9: this is such a cool thing. And when people connect

473
00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:42,560
Speaker 9: with me because of the character, I'm just grateful. Now

474
00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:46,240
Speaker 9: I'm just like cool man, Like that's awesome. And a

475
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,639
Speaker 9: lot of it is, you know, just letting go of

476
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:54,000
Speaker 9: that ego. And I feel it's hard because part of

477
00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:56,520
Speaker 9: being an actor is that you just have to embrace

478
00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:59,440
Speaker 9: these characters and and you know, but I feel like Josh,

479
00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,840
Speaker 9: I hear you're saying, like I think I've started in

480
00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:05,280
Speaker 9: theater too, and I feel like there's something to being

481
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:07,760
Speaker 9: able to just like forget that it ever happened, to

482
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:09,720
Speaker 9: move on to the next project and play the next

483
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:14,159
Speaker 9: role that television doesn't allow especially popular. When you're on

484
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 9: a show this popular, right, like it permanently cements you.

485
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:20,280
Speaker 9: And in some ways it's the worst thing that can

486
00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:22,320
Speaker 9: happen to you as an actor, it's the best thing

487
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,120
Speaker 9: in that you're successful, You've done the thing, and hopefully

488
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,480
Speaker 9: you earned it because you're doing a great job, but

489
00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:30,200
Speaker 9: then it ruins you for the next however many years,

490
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:32,199
Speaker 9: because you can't do the thing that you want to do,

491
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:34,920
Speaker 9: which is play a completely different character or or bring

492
00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:36,879
Speaker 9: parts of you to something without people being like, oh,

493
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:38,359
Speaker 9: you're doing the same thing you did on that show.

494
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:40,880
Speaker 9: Like you just want to be able to reinvent that's

495
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:43,160
Speaker 9: the fun of acting. That's why I had to stop acting.

496
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Speaker 5: You know. And I feel like part of it is

497
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:45,640
Speaker 5: because I started so.

498
00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:47,320
Speaker 9: Young, you know, Like I think if I had been

499
00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:49,760
Speaker 9: in my twenties, I might have been able to wrap

500
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Speaker 9: my head around the idea like.

501
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Speaker 5: This, this could happen, and you know, but it's.

502
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Speaker 9: You know, for me, it's like it's kind of broken permanently,

503
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,720
Speaker 9: like it's too But now I love writing, I love directing.

504
00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:00,639
Speaker 9: I get the same high that I do from acting

505
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 9: from that because it's the same process.

506
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:05,359
Speaker 5: But I don't have to be with myself. Yeah, I

507
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:06,280
Speaker 5: have to be the one doing.

508
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, we should have lunch.

509
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 7: Oh that'd be such a depressing lunch. Sandwichever you don't

510
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:18,920
Speaker 7: get us, will I don't.

511
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,240
Speaker 6: I walk up every day like this is the best

512
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 6: thing that ever happened.

513
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 2: What do you don't know about like internal family systems.

514
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Speaker 10: I f s.

515
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,120
Speaker 8: I know, I know, yes, Janiel, Now we have.

516
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:29,960
Speaker 2: To have another lunch for me, just about all that

517
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 2: therapist are going to have lunch.

518
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:37,560
Speaker 3: But it's this idea that there are different parts of

519
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:39,720
Speaker 3: ourselves that are that are active. You know, there's a

520
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:41,880
Speaker 3: fifteen year old and a five year old and all

521
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:44,920
Speaker 3: these different parts and they're still active, and they still

522
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,200
Speaker 3: sometimes come over and take us over and take over

523
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:50,160
Speaker 3: our face. And I actually it's helped me to think

524
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,359
Speaker 3: of Ted as a part. It's both a chart I

525
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:54,720
Speaker 3: played and it's a.

526
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:58,560
Speaker 2: Part of me. Not to deny it. But the thing that.

527
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:02,960
Speaker 3: I will probably never stopped fighting for is the recognition

528
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:04,359
Speaker 3: that it's a part of me, it's not the whole

529
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:07,240
Speaker 3: of me, and that there's what I was really fighting

530
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:08,399
Speaker 3: for was dimensionality.

531
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 2: And I felt like I was collapsed.

532
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 3: Into this small, bordered kind of guy that I didn't

533
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 3: even write.

534
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 2: You know, it would be one thing if I wrote

535
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:18,400
Speaker 2: the part.

536
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,160
Speaker 3: It was just like I sometimes want to say to people,

537
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,600
Speaker 3: like I was contractually obligated to do that, man.

538
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 6: Like that.

539
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 7: I could.

540
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 6: But you know what, you also realize though, that's one

541
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 6: of the things that I love about television is you've

542
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 6: also discovered, or we as actors have discovered, if you

543
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 6: get this opportunity the key to immortality, and that I

544
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 6: you know, my favorite show ever is mash We talk

545
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 6: about it all the time.

546
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,160
Speaker 5: I'm doing a mass rewatch right now. I will talk

547
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:52,119
Speaker 5: to you whatever. I know it backwards for ways.

548
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 6: I know every single line of every single episode. And

549
00:25:55,119 --> 00:26:00,080
Speaker 6: while McLean, Stevenson, Wayne Rogers, Loretta Switt they're gone, but

550
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 6: Hot Lips and Henry Blake and Trapper they're alive forever.

551
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,159
Speaker 7: And I can go and watch them whenever I want to.

552
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 6: So Ted Moseby one hundred and fifty years from now

553
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 6: is still very much going to.

554
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 7: Be alive, And well will I be or no, We're

555
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,920
Speaker 7: gonna be gone. But that's the joy. That's the joy.

556
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 7: I mean, it's it's people talk about how I how

557
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:22,639
Speaker 7: do I last forever?

558
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:22,880
Speaker 2: Well?

559
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 6: Television is one of those ways of you, A part

560
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 6: of you will be around forever.

561
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 7: Yeah.

562
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,679
Speaker 3: But I look at like where I live in Brooklyn,

563
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:35,360
Speaker 3: there's like a on Atlantic, there's like a maybe Flatbush,

564
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 3: but there's like a general like a like a statue

565
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 3: sure or named you know, streets named it, and I'm like,

566
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 3: I don't, no one cares.

567
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 9: Like.

568
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:49,160
Speaker 5: Our show is funnier than that guy's show.

569
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 2: But I heard Albert Brooks, like a theater actor, said

570
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:54,680
Speaker 2: to him, you know.

571
00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:00,040
Speaker 3: You do film, so you're gonna live last forever, and

572
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,880
Speaker 3: he's like, no, we're all going away. And I'll give

573
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,919
Speaker 3: you an example I did. I did this show with

574
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 3: al Pacino for two years called Hunters. It was a

575
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 3: great show, Nazi hunting show set in the seventies, and

576
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 3: I would tell young people I'm working with al Pacino and.

577
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 2: They would say who.

578
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:18,200
Speaker 5: Of course.

579
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 2: So what I'm saying is like, do you know what

580
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 2: I'm saying?

581
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:22,640
Speaker 6: Said but no, But that's not exactly my point because

582
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:24,680
Speaker 6: if you said to those save same young people, I'm

583
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 6: working with Scarface, they know exactly who we're talking about.

584
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 7: The character is still alive.

585
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:35,680
Speaker 6: Al Pacino might disappear, But saying godfather I'm working with.

586
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 3: I guess that the differences is that I am on

587
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 3: set making the things, so I think of myself as

588
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 3: an actor playing a character, of course, Whereas you know,

589
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,639
Speaker 3: Jordana and I have a joke like she'll watch like

590
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 3: a Viking show and I'll say, like they get smoothies

591
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 3: at Airwan. No, she's like you like they get smoothie

592
00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 3: at Airwon. They you know, they're two dollars right off

593
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:06,199
Speaker 3: of the bone and tasting life. That's Lewis, That is

594
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:06,640
Speaker 3: the case.

595
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 9: He's literally weaving his own clothing to play Lincoln exactly.

596
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,400
Speaker 4: It was a Game of Thrones episode where you saw

597
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:17,360
Speaker 4: Starbucks Starbucks, ye.

598
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:20,160
Speaker 7: God, go watch Braveheart.

599
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,440
Speaker 6: There's guys walking in the background of almost every scene

600
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 6: in Braveheart with baseball hats on the cars in the background.

601
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 6: It's it's amazing, hilarious, just briefly because it is my love.

602
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 6: Do you think there's any chance that sitcom like How

603
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 6: I Met Your Mother, like a Boy Meets World, like

604
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 6: any of the shows that I grew up watching or loving,

605
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 6: has a chance of coming back and being as popular

606
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 6: as they were.

607
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 5: I just think the fact that no one does twenty

608
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 5: two or twenty four episodes anymore. It's eight episodes and

609
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 5: people watch them in three seconds and then they go

610
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 5: a year later it comes back and think, oh I

611
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 5: forgot about the show or two years later. I think

612
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 5: that has ruined the reach, right. You just can't replicate

613
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 5: that feeling even Jordana. I was thinking about this one.

614
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 4: Josh was saying that Jordana had being forced to watch

615
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 4: one episode at a time, Josh.

616
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 5: Good night before we're going to record our podcast.

617
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 4: She's having to experience that the show in the way

618
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 4: that it originally was experienced.

619
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 5: But she but she, I don't know.

620
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 4: There's something to it, I think, and I feel like

621
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 4: it's hard to replicate that with these Bingi things. And

622
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 4: by the way, I love the people binge on at

623
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 4: your mother and have watched it thirty times, and they

624
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 4: watched twenty in a day or whatever. But I think

625
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 4: that thing that our show's had where people waited a

626
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 4: week and they couldn't wait till the night Friday night

627
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 4: to watch your show. I'm going to sit down with

628
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 4: my family Friday night and then late nineteen nineties or

629
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 4: whatever it is and watch Boy Meets World.

630
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 5: That that thing is gone.

631
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 4: That's gone except for sporting events, and I don't know

632
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 4: how to get it back.

633
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,239
Speaker 3: I wish, So I do have to say, you know,

634
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 3: so everything got adamized right into stream network TV kind

635
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 3: of createred big hit shows now or a fraction of

636
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 3: the numbers we were doing back in the day, and

637
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 3: then you have this binging thing. But then the streamers

638
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 3: were like, you know what, it's actually fun for people

639
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 3: to wait a week to watch, So.

640
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 2: You're seeing more of that happen.

641
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 3: Yes, And then I'm watching stuff on Amazon and there's commercials. Yeah,

642
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 3: like there's just event And then they're like, well, you

643
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,719
Speaker 3: can bundle all the streamers together. Yeah, that's called cable.

644
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 3: Like you're inventing television exactly. So I think there were

645
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 3: some things that the twentieth century kind of figured out.

646
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 5: They rebuilt it that.

647
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 3: We try to like pull them apart, and then we

648
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 3: reinvent them and then we're like, Okay, I guess I

649
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 3: guess that model.

650
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 2: Was good and fun for people.

651
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, maybe that's the answer.

652
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 4: Maybe it will, Maybe it is evolving back to where

653
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 4: it will become the thing that captured all these people's

654
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 4: minds and hearts. That doesn't seem to be happening in

655
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 4: the same way anymore.

656
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 3: I will say, though, seven eight nine year runs, I

657
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 3: don't know, Yeah, yeah, I don't know.

658
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 4: Yeh, twenty two a year, twenty four years, a nine

659
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 4: year run.

660
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 5: It's a bit that's a big beast, right.

661
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 6: I mean, even back in the day with all the

662
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 6: best shows ever. We talked about this lot on our podcast.

663
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Speaker 6: It's very difficult to find a show that got better

664
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Speaker 6: as the longer it went on.

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Speaker 5: That's true that you're stretching. You're stretching at times.

666
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Speaker 6: Yeah, so there's you do find maybe some maybe two

667
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Speaker 6: three seasons is the is kind of the sweet spot.

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Speaker 7: Now.

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Speaker 3: We're actually shocked at the first two seasons how many

670
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Speaker 3: like banger episodes there were, Like we came out of

671
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Speaker 3: the gate really like having a voice and knowing everyone.

672
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Speaker 2: Knew kind of what their their the.

673
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Speaker 3: Task at hand was, and I'm pretty delighted that we

674
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Speaker 3: came out so strong.

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Speaker 1: For Boy Meets World, we had a similar thing in

676
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Speaker 1: the sense that because we started when we were so young,

677
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Speaker 1: over seven seasons, it's almost like there were three different.

678
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Speaker 8: Versions of the show.

679
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Speaker 1: They're like the first two years are very much elementary

680
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Speaker 1: and junior high school kids really figuring out the world,

681
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Speaker 1: and then there's like high school and then it was like,

682
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Speaker 1: all right, now these kids are in college and there

683
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 1: are more adults, and so we had like we got

684
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Speaker 1: to evolve three different times.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I do have to say, because I was in

686
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Speaker 3: college in grad school when you guys were on, which

687
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 3: was not heavy TV watching gears for me, but my

688
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 3: younger sister. I told her I was doing this podcast

689
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 3: and she's like, I never missed an episode, every single.

690
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Speaker 8: Every single that's nice. Tell her. We said, hello, what's

691
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Speaker 8: her name?

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Speaker 2: Joanna?

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Speaker 5: Joanna?

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Speaker 2: She'll be delighted, awome.

695
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Speaker 5: I was just curious, ask one other question for you guys.

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Speaker 4: Josh and I were talking about this that idea of

697
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Speaker 4: he's watching his younger self twenty years ago, and there's

698
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 4: scenes where he's like, I don't remember doing that with

699
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Speaker 4: my body. I know that's me and I'm saying those

700
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Speaker 4: things and doing those things, but I forgot it existed.

701
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Speaker 4: I feel like I heard you guys say that, and

702
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Speaker 4: you're one of those your podcasts you were like, I

703
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 4: don't remember. I know there's visual proof that I'm doing

704
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Speaker 4: this thing. Is there that weird out of body vertigo

705
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Speaker 4: for you guys doing this rewatch thing? Be cause I

706
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Speaker 4: feel Josh is having a little bit of that at times,

707
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Speaker 4: is that it seems like such a strange thing to

708
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Speaker 4: look back at yourself, especially when you're a kid.

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Speaker 10: More it is.

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Speaker 6: The thing that's amazing too, is a lot of times

711
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Speaker 6: what I'm finding that's very, very strange is that we'll

712
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Speaker 6: have an episode that none of us remember.

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Speaker 7: And that's the thing that seems to be happening more

714
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Speaker 7: and more. It's not like one of us is like,

715
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Speaker 7: I remember everything about this and the other two are going, wow,

716
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Speaker 7: I don't remember. It's usually the three of us going

717
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Speaker 7: do you remember this at all?

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Speaker 2: No? Nothing.

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Speaker 9: Now, going back to something Josh was talking about, like

720
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Speaker 9: way earlier on in this conversation about seeing your past performances,

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Speaker 9: I'll often find when I remember, oh, I cared about

722
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Speaker 9: that beat or I thought that that beat was important,

723
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Speaker 9: it's the worst acting. Yeah, it's the ones that I

724
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Speaker 9: didn't think about, where I was completely unself conscious and

725
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 9: just showing up that I'm the most proud of now

726
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 9: because I'm like, wow, I was just in it, and like,

727
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Speaker 9: it's actually a great lesson as an actor, because it's

728
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Speaker 9: very hard to learn. If you're smart at all, you're

729
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Speaker 9: gonna like want to analyze the text and come out

730
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Speaker 9: make choices as an actor. But what you realize ultimately

731
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Speaker 9: as you get older, at least I have, is that

732
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Speaker 9: that's not the best acting. The best acting is when

733
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Speaker 9: you can make all the choices and then just let

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Speaker 9: them go.

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Speaker 3: Truly when you when when you finish it, take and

736
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Speaker 3: you're like, that was some great acting almost it was, Yeah,

737
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Speaker 3: I noticed because we had a thing like a policy

738
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Speaker 3: on set. We didn't like it on sitcoms when people

739
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 3: would say objectively hilarious things and none of the characters

740
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 3: would act like something. So we decided we would laugh

741
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 3: at each other. Like we're sitting in a bar, we're

742
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,240
Speaker 3: drinking beer. We're gonna laugh if someone says something funny.

743
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Speaker 3: And some of my favorite moments are watching me actually

744
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Speaker 3: laugh like an honest response or just like just listening

745
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Speaker 3: in like an un self conscious way. I totally get

746
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Speaker 3: what you're describing, writer.

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Speaker 1: We have experienced that too, where we can tell in

748
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Speaker 1: scenes when we were just trying to make each other laugh,

749
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Speaker 1: where saber marines are, or like you know those awkward

750
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Speaker 1: moments and sitcoms where people are exiting at the same

751
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Speaker 1: time people are entering, and do they acknowledge each other

752
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 1: as they pass because we know each other, but like

753
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 1: the scene needs to progress forward. And there was one

754
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,839
Speaker 1: Christmas episode where people are where some of us are

755
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Speaker 1: exiting and some of us are entering, and you can

756
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Speaker 1: tell we just decided to go wild with the like

757
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 1: way too minute.

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Speaker 9: It's like we crammed five minutes of dialogue into two seconds.

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Speaker 8: We're all breaking but trying not to break, and it's.

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Speaker 3: Just there's the show you're making for the audience at home,

761
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 3: and then there's the show or the ecosystem you're all

762
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Speaker 3: living in that you're trying like. We had a first

763
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Speaker 3: a d Mike Shay was an incredible guy.

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Speaker 5: Do you know we didn't know that?

765
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Speaker 1: We also share the writer trivia question, who's the reader show?

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Speaker 5: Help us up? Help us, help us out? You've blown

767
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Speaker 5: my mind.

768
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 3: We share either and we have a special guest that'd

769
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Speaker 3: be unbelievable.

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Speaker 5: Michael Story. I wanted to hear Okay, So Michael, Yeah,

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Speaker 5: I forgot that to.

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Speaker 3: So Michael Sheay to when he wanted everyone to quiet down,

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Speaker 3: he would say, guys, guys, guys, do.

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Speaker 2: You remember this of course?

775
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Speaker 3: Or so whenever for once we hooked into this, whenever

776
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Speaker 3: it just said, guys, we should go whatever, Like whenever

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00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 3: the word guys was there.

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Speaker 2: You'll watch How I Met Your Mother and you'll hear guys, guys, guys.

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Speaker 2: We just always say.

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Speaker 3: Three times as an homage to our Michael, our beloved Michael.

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Speaker 7: He would always say things to us like we still joke.

782
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 6: So our our first a d and first stage manager's

783
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 6: name was Steve, and at one point he and his

784
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 6: wife got pregnant, and so we just hear Michael Shay

785
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 6: going like, all right, everybody, come on, let's get the

786
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Speaker 6: scene ready.

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Speaker 4: Steve's having a baby.

788
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Speaker 3: Baby, No, how to run a good thing.

789
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Speaker 2: He keeps it funny and like it.

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Speaker 5: Podcast we have.

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Speaker 9: It was so great because we asked him about this

792
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 9: and he's just said he said, like he because you know,

793
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 9: his father was a big TV director and so he

794
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 9: grew up knowing that he had to keep the energy

795
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Speaker 9: on set going, and so he would just look at

796
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Speaker 9: it as like his job was, Hey, everybody, we're all

797
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 9: gonna just freshen it up, and I'm gonna say something

798
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Speaker 9: stupid to get everybody's at and.

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Speaker 5: We're like, dude.

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Speaker 3: It totally worked when we had background, like at club scenes,

801
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 3: he would go, all right, guys, sexy, sexy time, it's

802
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:40,280
Speaker 3: sexy the energy. I hope we're talking about the same Michael.

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Speaker 10: I think we are definitely.

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Speaker 1: I'm in touch with Yeah, I'm still in touch with

805
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Speaker 1: Michael sheay, I just saw him recently.

806
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Speaker 8: We talked when he was on our show. We talked about.

807
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Speaker 2: We love that guy.

808
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:53,399
Speaker 5: Love that guy. That's cool.

809
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Speaker 4: There, see there there are serious overlaps between our two shows.

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Speaker 5: We have.

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Speaker 3: We have one more over lap question writer, did you

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Speaker 3: do the graduate on Broadway?

813
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Speaker 2: After I did the Graduate on Broadway?

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Speaker 5: No, you got it? You got it? And I did not. Oh,

815
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Speaker 5: I was too Kathleen Turner.

816
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Speaker 9: So I went and read with Kathleen and she was like,

817
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Speaker 9: made me take my boots off.

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Speaker 2: And I thought, you did it after me.

819
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Speaker 9: No, I did it. I did a tour. So I

820
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 9: was gonna because you replaced Jason. Did you replace him

821
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Speaker 9: for the summer or.

822
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Speaker 2: Just for like three months?

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Speaker 9: And then so they brought me in at that point

824
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Speaker 9: and had me read with Kathleen, and she was like,

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Speaker 9: you're too to to I was too short, so she

826
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Speaker 9: made it made like it was like I think.

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Speaker 5: I was like fine, But then they offered me the tour,

828
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Speaker 5: so I did the I.

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Speaker 2: Knew, I knew your name was in that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I did it. Though, that's cool, that's crazy. Well,

831
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Speaker 4: it's a small world, y'all. We have we both have

832
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 4: meet or met in the title there's there's a lot of.

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Speaker 1: Well I want everyone to be able to know. I

834
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Speaker 1: think you can get How We Made Your Mother. You

835
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Speaker 1: can listen to it anywhere you get your podcasts.

836
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Speaker 8: What else can where can we go?

837
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Speaker 1: I know Craig talked about his book, Let's plug that again.

838
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Speaker 8: Talk to us about your book? What can people to?

839
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 4: My first novel it's called That's Not How It Happened

840
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,760
Speaker 4: from HarperCollins. Buy the book or by the audiobook starring

841
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 4: Josh Radner and Kobe Smulders and two other money blackers too,

842
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 4: But it's it's a four person story for our narrators,

843
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 4: for point of views, and it's my favorite thing I've

844
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 4: ever written, besides Time Trotter Cell people.

845
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Speaker 3: It's really rich, like genuinely just a fantastic read.

846
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:29,399
Speaker 5: This is why we do the podcast. Actually we actually.

847
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Speaker 1: Love and Josh, is there anything you want to talk

848
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Speaker 1: about outside of the podcast?

849
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 3: I make music that I'm really happy about and proud about.

850
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 3: I just finished a new record, but I have a

851
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 3: bunch of stuff up on all the streaming platforms just

852
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 3: my name, Josh Radner. My friend Jeremiah just remixed a

853
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 3: couple of my tracks that are really.

854
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Speaker 7: What type of music.

855
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 2: How would you describe it, Craig.

856
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Speaker 5: I mean, it's like any folk acoustics. Smart friends are.

857
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Speaker 8: You guys are best friends, but haven't had lunch yet.

858
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 4: We're gonna have a mash lunch, a mash lunch. I

859
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 4: will sing Josh's praises now. His music is so great.

860
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:11,760
Speaker 4: He does the it's the theme song for our podcast,

861
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:13,439
Speaker 4: among other things, is a great Josh song.

862
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Speaker 5: He's super great. Everyone go check out his music. It's

863
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 5: so amazing, awesome.

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00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 8: That's so great. Well, thank you both so much for

865
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Speaker 8: being here.

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Speaker 1: I'm so excited to see where this journey takes you

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Speaker 1: over the next nine seasons of the show. And yeah,

868
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Speaker 1: so thank you both for being here.

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Speaker 3: This was a really great It was freat to meet

870
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Speaker 3: you guys.

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Speaker 1: Wow, can't believe how much overlap there. I mean, we

872
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 1: knew and we knew there was better.

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Speaker 9: Lap, you know, we're talking about like there's also something

874
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:49,240
Speaker 9: to the romance, like love storyline, like being this Romeo

875
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 9: and Juliet and like how I met your mother in

876
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 9: the title starts, is like the point of this is

877
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 9: like ultimate union and like ultimately a love that makes sense.

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Speaker 5: So it's like I feel like the audience that.

879
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 9: Up with boy Me's World must have just shifted right

880
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 9: into How I Met your Mom.

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00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 6: Well, I mean, when you think about it, there's you

882
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 6: could with a few tweaks. This is Corey and Tepanga

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Speaker 6: moving to New York and meeting a whole new group

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Speaker 6: of friends, right and uh, you know, or wherever the

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Speaker 6: show takes place, and meeting a whole group of friends.

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Speaker 5: I've never seen a single episode. I want to admit that,

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Speaker 5: but I've.

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Speaker 7: Never seen a single episode. But I'd like to watch it.

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Speaker 9: I know my mother was obsessed with I knew people

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Speaker 9: that loved it, but I never watched it.

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Speaker 7: So good, Yeah, I hear Neil again.

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Speaker 6: I hear Neil kind of like Steals the show where

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Speaker 6: he's just he's so hysterical. And I think he won.

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Speaker 6: I think they all won like a whole bunch of

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Speaker 6: awards for the show. I mean, this is for twenty

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Speaker 6: eight Emmys, which is somehow twenty nine more than we

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Speaker 6: ever were nominated.

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Speaker 7: So yeah, it's fine, but Yike's crazy.

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Speaker 8: Thank you all for joining us for this episode of

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Speaker 8: Pod Meets World.

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Speaker 1: As always, you can follow us on Instagram pod Meets

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Speaker 1: World Show at gmail dot com, and we've got.

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Speaker 7: Merch the How I Met Your Mother theme song.

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Speaker 10: I don't know the theme song, so that, yeah, you're

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Speaker 10: just making it up.

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Speaker 6: I have I was gonna do, don't.

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Speaker 7: That's anybody's guests, but that's Blossom, So that wasn't gonna

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Speaker 7: help at all.

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Speaker 10: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: Podmeetsworldshow dot com writer send us out.

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Speaker 5: We love you all, pod dismissed.

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Speaker 9: Pod Meets World is an iHeart podcast producer hosted by

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Speaker 9: Danielle Fischel, Wilfridell and Ryder Strong executive producers, Jensen Karp

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Speaker 9: and Amy Sugarman Executive in charge of production, Danielle Romo,

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Speaker 9: producer and editor, Tarasubasch producer, Maddy Moore engineer and Boy

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Speaker 9: Meets World superman Easton Allen. Our theme song is by

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Speaker 9: Kyle Morton of Typhoon. Follow us on Instagram at Podmeets

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