WEBVTT - The Klansman's Twin: Dennis Mahon, Pt. 3

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<v Speaker 1>Cool Zone Media, Hello, and happy New Year, everybody. I

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<v Speaker 1>think twenty twenty five is going to be a banner

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<v Speaker 1>year for weird little guys, and I don't mean the

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<v Speaker 1>show Unfortunately. They're just making newer, weirder guys all the

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<v Speaker 1>time lately, and I can hardly keep up. And as

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<v Speaker 1>time marches on, I'm stuck in the past, connecting the

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<v Speaker 1>dots on decades old stories of the weird little guys

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<v Speaker 1>who came before the right wing terrorists of today. I

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<v Speaker 1>hope you're having a peaceful and cheerful holiday season, whatever

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<v Speaker 1>that looks like for you. I had every intention of

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<v Speaker 1>using that week of relative downtime to get caught up,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe even get ahead. It probably won't surprise you to

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<v Speaker 1>hear that absolutely did not happen. Something about the twinkle

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<v Speaker 1>of Christmas lights pulled me away from my maniacal sprawling

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<v Speaker 1>notes about Oklahoma City bombing conspiracy theories. I can't explain it,

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<v Speaker 1>And as I was chipping away at the next chapter

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<v Speaker 1>of Dennis Mayhon's life, I realized there was a strange

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<v Speaker 1>little side story that I was going to have to cut.

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<v Speaker 1>It just didn't fit in the narrative flow, and it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't one hundred percent relevant to the story arc I

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<v Speaker 1>was plotting out, so I was prepared to scrap it.

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<v Speaker 1>It certainly wouldn't be the first time, and I know

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<v Speaker 1>it won't be the last. I love a little side story,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm starting to get the feel for the kinds

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<v Speaker 1>of side stories that will take us off course for

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<v Speaker 1>an interesting few minutes and the ones that are going

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<v Speaker 1>to derail the whole episode. And this was the latter.

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<v Speaker 1>But then I remembered this is my show. I'm the

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<v Speaker 1>captain of this ship, and for me, getting to the

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<v Speaker 1>point has never been the point. We're on a journey here,

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<v Speaker 1>and I never really know where I'm taking making us

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<v Speaker 1>until I get there. We'll get back to Dennis Mahon

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<v Speaker 1>in Eloheim City and the bomb he mailed to a

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<v Speaker 1>public library in Arizona for the next episode, I promise.

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<v Speaker 1>But this week we're going on a side quest because

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<v Speaker 1>I just couldn't bear to cut the story of one

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<v Speaker 1>of my favorite kinds of things to find in a

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<v Speaker 1>weird little guy's past, a lawsuit about anti white discrimination.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you'll indulge me, here's the story of our

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<v Speaker 1>convicted bomber's twin brother getting fired because he wouldn't stop

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<v Speaker 1>wearing the Nazi T shirt he bought it a gun show.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Molly Conker and this is weird, Little guys. The

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<v Speaker 1>last few episodes have been about Dennis May. We've talked

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<v Speaker 1>about the first few decades of his life. He was

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<v Speaker 1>born in a small community in northern Illinois nineteen fifty.

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<v Speaker 1>He served in the army after high school and trained

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<v Speaker 1>as an aircraft mechanic. In the late seventies, he joined

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<v Speaker 1>the Ku Klux Klan and then the neo Nazi group

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<v Speaker 1>National Alliance. In interviews with journalists over the years, he's

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<v Speaker 1>often claimed his belief in the importance of racial separatism

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<v Speaker 1>arose from his experience in the Florida National Guard, when

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<v Speaker 1>his unit was deployed in May of nineteen eighty to

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<v Speaker 1>assist in transporting Cuban refugees during the Mariial boat lift crisis.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't doubt that he was there, or that having

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<v Speaker 1>to interact with asylum seekers deepened his hatred of people

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<v Speaker 1>who aren't white, but the record does seem to indicate

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<v Speaker 1>that he'd already joined the clan before the first boat

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<v Speaker 1>arrived in Miami that month. From there, Dennis disappeared for

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<v Speaker 1>a few years. It claims to have been underground carrying

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<v Speaker 1>out clan bombings in Florida, Michigan, and Oklahoma, targeting synagogues,

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<v Speaker 1>government office buildings, and abortion clinics. He re emerged in

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<v Speaker 1>Kansas City in nineteen eighty seven and as a regional

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<v Speaker 1>organizer for the clan. I won't retread the entirety of

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<v Speaker 1>those last two episodes, but we've been following Dennis all

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<v Speaker 1>over the country the world, even from Kansas City to Canada,

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<v Speaker 1>from Tulsa to Berlin. He won a lawsuit over his

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<v Speaker 1>right to broadcast to race his public access TV show.

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<v Speaker 1>He lost a lawsuit to Fred Rogers, he got banned

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<v Speaker 1>from Canada. He tried to revive the clan in Germany,

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<v Speaker 1>and he absolutely loved talking to reporters. As far as

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<v Speaker 1>mid level hate group organizers go, he's a little unusual

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<v Speaker 1>in that respect. So there's ample record of where he was,

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<v Speaker 1>what he was up to, who his friends were, and

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<v Speaker 1>the narrative about himself that he wanted you to believe.

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<v Speaker 1>But all this time we've been talking about Dennis Mayhan,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's been someone else in the story that we

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<v Speaker 1>haven't talked much about. He's been there. He's always there,

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<v Speaker 1>but he's much quieter. He keeps his name out of things.

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<v Speaker 1>But Dennis Mayhan's identical twin brother, Daniel Mayhan, was there

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<v Speaker 1>all along. As I mentioned in the last episode, Daniel

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<v Speaker 1>Mayhon has never been convicted of a crime. He was

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<v Speaker 1>indicted alongside his brother in two thousand and nine saga

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<v Speaker 1>will cover next week, but unlike his brother, who is

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<v Speaker 1>serving a forty year sentence in terre hate, Daniel wasn't convicted.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you ask Daniel, he'd tell you that he

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<v Speaker 1>was never a member of any of those groups his

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<v Speaker 1>brother was mixed up in. I mean I didn't ask him.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess I could have tried to reach him for comment,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think he'd tell me the same thing. He

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<v Speaker 1>told an attorney for American Airlines during a deposition in

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and three that he was never what he

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<v Speaker 1>called a card carrying member of the Ku Klux Klan

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<v Speaker 1>or White Arian Resistance or National Alliance. So, just for

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<v Speaker 1>the record here at the top, I'll make no allegations

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<v Speaker 1>that haven't been made in sworn statements by agents of

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<v Speaker 1>the FBI or the ATF. Daniel Mahon isn't guilty of

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<v Speaker 1>any crimes. A matching set of genes doesn't necessarily mean

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<v Speaker 1>you carry a matching set of beliefs. But I read

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<v Speaker 1>a few hundred pages of his own sworn testimony that

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<v Speaker 1>left me with the impression that these identical twins share

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit more than their DNA. With Denis occupying

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<v Speaker 1>the spotlight, the record on Daniel is actually pretty sparse.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of what I can say about him with

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<v Speaker 1>any degree of certainty came out of his own mouth

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<v Speaker 1>in this deposition he sat for on October twenty ninth,

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and three. He was three years into a

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<v Speaker 1>lawsuit against his former employer, American Airlines over his termination

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<v Speaker 1>in May of nineteen ninety nine. For nine hours, he

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<v Speaker 1>answered questions about his involvement in the company's Caucasian employee

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<v Speaker 1>resource group. But even a side story has to start

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<v Speaker 1>before the beginning. So before we get to the strange

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<v Speaker 1>revelations in that conference room in Tulsa, I want to

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<v Speaker 1>set the scene a little bit with some history about

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<v Speaker 1>the concept of employee resource groups. If you've ever worked

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<v Speaker 1>for almost any big corporation these days, you've probably seen

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<v Speaker 1>a flyer in the break room for something like this,

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<v Speaker 1>they might be called employee resource groups ergs, employee affinity groups,

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<v Speaker 1>business network groups, or some other mishmash of corporate buzzwords

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<v Speaker 1>about mentorship and networking. Ergs are, according to a continuing

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<v Speaker 1>education module for corporate lawyers that I found, quote, organize

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<v Speaker 1>based on social identity, shared characteristics, or life experience. Affinity

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<v Speaker 1>groups are generally initiated by employees and often involve or

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<v Speaker 1>implicate protected classes such as sex, gender, sexual orientation, race,

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<v Speaker 1>national origin, disability, and veteran status. Today's employee resource groups

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<v Speaker 1>have expanded to include other kinds of shared interests, but

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<v Speaker 1>at their core, they allow employees who belong to a

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<v Speaker 1>particular group to network, support and mentor one another, and

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<v Speaker 1>advocate for themselves within the company. The gules at McKinsey

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<v Speaker 1>say that they can be a valuable tool to recruit

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<v Speaker 1>and retain a diverse workforce by fostering a sense of inclusion,

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<v Speaker 1>and they can provide a ready pool of diverse spaces

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<v Speaker 1>to send to panels and recruitment events. I found one

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<v Speaker 1>press release praising the efforts of the Hispanic Employee Resource

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<v Speaker 1>Group at JP morgan Chase. The group's mentorship program led

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<v Speaker 1>to a measurable increase in Hispanic women in management positions.

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<v Speaker 1>And for the most part, these groups sound like something

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<v Speaker 1>cooked up by an HR department to put in a

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<v Speaker 1>shareholder meeting slide show. But there's a history here. The

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<v Speaker 1>idea of people who share a particular life experience getting

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<v Speaker 1>together to talk about it is obviously not new. That's

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<v Speaker 1>not something anyone came up with. You don't have to

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<v Speaker 1>invent that. But the employee resource group as it exists

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<v Speaker 1>in corporate America today originated with the National Black Employee

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<v Speaker 1>Caucus at Xerox in nineteen seventy. All of the human

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<v Speaker 1>resources blurbs and business press puff pieces about employee resource

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<v Speaker 1>groups kind of just leave the story there they started

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<v Speaker 1>at Xerox nineteen teen seventy. But there's always more to

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<v Speaker 1>a story than that, And apparently Xerox was up to

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<v Speaker 1>some pretty radical diversity, equity and inclusion corporate practice decades

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<v Speaker 1>before anyone ever said that phrase out loud. In nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>sixty six, the first student at Xerox's International Fellowship program

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<v Speaker 1>was a Fulbright scholar from Ethiopia who happened to be

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<v Speaker 1>the younger brother of a member of highly Selassie's Cabinet.

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<v Speaker 1>In nineteen sixty eight, the company spent a million dollars

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<v Speaker 1>to sponsor a television series called of Black America. The

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<v Speaker 1>seven part documentary on black history from slavery through the

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<v Speaker 1>still ongoing riots that followed the assassination of doctor Martin

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<v Speaker 1>Luther King Junior, aired in prime time, and it earned

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<v Speaker 1>Xerox threatening letters from the ku Klux Klan and hysterical

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<v Speaker 1>letters to the editor in papers across the country from

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<v Speaker 1>small business owners swearing they're going to throw out their

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<v Speaker 1>copy machines. An op ed in The London Evening Standard

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<v Speaker 1>described the program as quote unmistakably hostile to the establishment.

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<v Speaker 1>That same year, nineteen sixty eight, Xerox partnered with a

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<v Speaker 1>Rochester based civil rights group called FIGHT, which stands for Freedom, Integration, God,

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<v Speaker 1>Honor Today. The New York Times called Fight quote a

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<v Speaker 1>militant Negro organization and made a pointed note that professional

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<v Speaker 1>radical Saul Alinsky had had a hand in it, and

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<v Speaker 1>that the press conference announcing this new venture was held

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<v Speaker 1>in a room decorated with posters of h Rap Brown,

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<v Speaker 1>Stokely Carmichael, and Shay Guevara. But Xerox's partnership with Fight

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<v Speaker 1>created the first black run community development corporation in the

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<v Speaker 1>United States. Xerox spent millions on manufacturing equipment and job

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<v Speaker 1>training in the creation of these black owned manufacturing companies

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<v Speaker 1>that employed hundreds of black employees in Rochester. A manager

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<v Speaker 1>at Xerox who'd worked on the plan said, my only

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<v Speaker 1>question is why didn't we do it sooner? The first

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<v Speaker 1>manufacturing plant funded by Xerox through the Fight Partnership opened

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<v Speaker 1>at what used to be a boarded up factory, just

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<v Speaker 1>a few blocks away from the center of the violence

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<v Speaker 1>that had inspired Xerox president Joseph Wilson to pour millions

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<v Speaker 1>of dollars into diversifying his workforce the nineteen sixty four

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<v Speaker 1>Rochester riots. I know we're a little far afield here.

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<v Speaker 1>Daniel Mahon was fourteen years old and living in Davis Junction, Illinois,

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<v Speaker 1>in the summer of nineteen sixty four. But sometimes the

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<v Speaker 1>way history repeats and rhymes and echoes is just irresistible

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<v Speaker 1>to me. Because there is another race riot later in

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<v Speaker 1>this story, and it seems irresponsible not to draw the

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<v Speaker 1>lines that connect these things. On Friday, July twenty fourth,

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty four, in Rochester, New York, the Northeast Mothers

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<v Speaker 1>Association had a permit to hold a block party in

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<v Speaker 1>Rochester Seventh Ward. They were raising money to build a

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<v Speaker 1>playground in the neighborhood. Around two hundred people attended the

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<v Speaker 1>event in the early evening, but as the night wore

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<v Speaker 1>on and the children went to bed, the streets were

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<v Speaker 1>still full of people having a good time. On a

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<v Speaker 1>hot summer night, around eleven p m. Two Rochester police

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<v Speaker 1>officers confronted a man they said was behaving in an

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<v Speaker 1>unruly manner. They moved to arrest twenty year old Randy Manigal.

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<v Speaker 1>Bystanders saw the officers using excessive force on a young

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<v Speaker 1>black man, and some of them tried to intervene. Within

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<v Speaker 1>half an hour, the Rochester Police Department had set dogs

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<v Speaker 1>on the neighbors, something they'd promised they wouldn't do again

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<v Speaker 1>after prior incidents involving police dogs mauling black residents. By

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<v Speaker 1>one a m. The fire hoses were out, the crowd

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<v Speaker 1>had swelled to hundreds, and officers were firing tear gas

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<v Speaker 1>canisters indiscriminately. When the sun Rose State Police arrived to

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<v Speaker 1>a crowd that had grown to the thousands. The violence

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<v Speaker 1>continued for a full forty eight hours, but by the

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<v Speaker 1>time one thousand National guardsmen arrived on Sunday, it was over.

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<v Speaker 1>The county Civil Defense director Robert Abbot was surveying the

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<v Speaker 1>scene from a helicopter hours after the riot ended, when

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<v Speaker 1>the pilot lost control of the aircraft and crashed into

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<v Speaker 1>a house on Clarissa Street. Two occupants of the home

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<v Speaker 1>were burned to death. Both the pilot and Robert Abbot

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<v Speaker 1>died of their injuries. A later report on the crash

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<v Speaker 1>says that alcohol played a role, and no reporting I

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<v Speaker 1>could find from the time period named the two black

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<v Speaker 1>men who burned to death inside their own home. By

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<v Speaker 1>the time the dust settled, five people were dead, hundreds

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<v Speaker 1>had been injured, and nearly one thousand people had been arrested.

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<v Speaker 1>Initial reporting, as ever, blamed the unrest on outside agitators.

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<v Speaker 1>Later analysis of those arrests, however, would show that only

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<v Speaker 1>fourteen of the people arrested lived outside of Monroe County.

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<v Speaker 1>In the aftermath of the riot, Joseph Wilson asked a

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<v Speaker 1>manager at Xerox how many black employees he had. The

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<v Speaker 1>answer was six. Determined to change that, he approached local

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<v Speaker 1>civil rights leader Reverend Franklin Florence to work out a plan.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the barriers the company had to hiring more

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<v Speaker 1>black employees was a systemic one. An unemployed black man

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen sixty five was less likely than his white

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<v Speaker 1>counterpart to have a high school diploma. The program they

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<v Speaker 1>developed was called Operation Step Up. Black men in ages

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen to twenty five without high school diplomas would work

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<v Speaker 1>half a day on the factory floor and spend half

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<v Speaker 1>a day in a classroom with teachers hired by Xerox

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<v Speaker 1>to prepare them for a high school equivalency test. By

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty six, Xerox was bringing classes of twenty five

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<v Speaker 1>men at a time through the program. After finishing their

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<v Speaker 1>high school courses, the men became full time union factory employees.

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<v Speaker 1>Wilson worked closely with Reverend Florence to bridge cultural gaps.

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<v Speaker 1>Assembly line foremen received additional training on race relations, clergy

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<v Speaker 1>were hired to assist in classroom management and guidance, and

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<v Speaker 1>hundreds of young men got high school diplomas and good

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<v Speaker 1>union jobs. When I first read that Wilson started the

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<v Speaker 1>Black Employee Resource Group in nineteen seventy in response to

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<v Speaker 1>those riots in nineteen sixty four. I didn't understand why

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<v Speaker 1>there were six years in between the inciting incident and

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<v Speaker 1>the actual formation of the group, But this is why

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<v Speaker 1>there weren't any black employees in nineteen sixty four. He

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<v Speaker 1>spent that time investing in the community and building a

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<v Speaker 1>more diverse workforce. Today's HR guidance talks about how ergs

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<v Speaker 1>can attract a diverse workforce, but the very first one

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<v Speaker 1>only existed at all because work was done to address

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<v Speaker 1>the systemic problems facing those employees. The formation of the

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<v Speaker 1>National Black Employee Caucus in nineteen seventy is the only

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<v Speaker 1>part of this work that seems to get remembered in

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<v Speaker 1>human resources industry newsletters about workplace diversity. I'm not sure

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<v Speaker 1>why Corporate America isn't interested in celebrating his financial support

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<v Speaker 1>of black radicals. But that's the story of how we

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<v Speaker 1>got employee resource groups, which brings us back to Daniel

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<v Speaker 1>Mayhuntsman's brother making flyers for a Caucasian Employee Resource Group

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<v Speaker 1>at the American Airlines Diversity Fair nineteen ninety nine. Daniel

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<v Speaker 1>Mahon did not start the Caucasian Employee Resource Group, but

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<v Speaker 1>the American Airlines Maintenance and Engineering facility in Tulsa, Oklahoma.

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<v Speaker 1>By his account, he wasn't even interested in being a

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<v Speaker 1>member and didn't attend a meeting of the group at

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<v Speaker 1>all in its first few months, and the fact of

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<v Speaker 1>the group's existence wasn't even the issue here. Nowhere in

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<v Speaker 1>the procedural history of the lawsuit that follows does anyone

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<v Speaker 1>even say that there should not have been an affinity

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<v Speaker 1>group for white people. In fact, the Diversity Advisory Council

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<v Speaker 1>said that they were quote saddened by the need to

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<v Speaker 1>suspend the group for six months over Daniel's actions, and

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<v Speaker 1>they called the group a valuable member of the Diversity

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<v Speaker 1>Advisory Council family. There was inexplicably no problem at all

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<v Speaker 1>with the Caucasian Employee Resource Group until Daniel Mayhon showed

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<v Speaker 1>up in a Turner Diaries T shirt at a meeting

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<v Speaker 1>to discuss the racist pamphlets he made for the diversity fair.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone agrees that Daniel Mayhon wasn't fired just because he

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<v Speaker 1>was a member of the white employee group, but Daniel

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<v Speaker 1>went to court claiming that he was fired just for

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<v Speaker 1>being white. On March eleventh, nineteen ninety nine, there was

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<v Speaker 1>a diversity fair at the American Airlines maintenance and engineering

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<v Speaker 1>base in Tulsa, Oklahoma. The company had, as a part

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<v Speaker 1>of their corporate diversity program, encouraged the formation of a

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<v Speaker 1>variety of employee recas groups. There was an African American ERG,

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<v Speaker 1>an Asian Culture Association, one for women in aviation, a

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<v Speaker 1>Jewish ERG and Employees with Disabilities ERG, a Gay, Lesbian,

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<v Speaker 1>Bisexual and Transgender ERG, Christian, Muslim, Latin, Indian, Native American

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<v Speaker 1>one for employees over forty one for people interested in

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<v Speaker 1>improving their work life balance, and of course there was

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<v Speaker 1>the Caucasian Employee Resource Group. There may have been others

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<v Speaker 1>later on, but these are the ones that were listed

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<v Speaker 1>in a company pamphlet about the program that was written

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen ninety nine, and just as an aside, I

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<v Speaker 1>was kind of struck by the inclusion of the T

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<v Speaker 1>in the LGBT group in nineteen ninety nine. You forget

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes that it wasn't always the lightning rod that it

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<v Speaker 1>is today. I guess for a long time, everybody just

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<v Speaker 1>hated all queer people the same. It's hard to feel

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<v Speaker 1>like it's progress to get assimilation for some at the

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<v Speaker 1>cost of heightened demonization of part of our community. But nevertheless,

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<v Speaker 1>shout out to the trans Aircraft Mechanics in Oklahoma in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety nine. I know you were going through it.

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<v Speaker 1>The Diversity Fair was an opportunity for every Employee Resource

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<v Speaker 1>group to set up a booth and talk to their

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<v Speaker 1>fellow employees about the group and hand out flyers and network.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a nice idea. You don't have to be a

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<v Speaker 1>member of a particular group to show an interest in

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<v Speaker 1>the work being done by their ERG, and this kind

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<v Speaker 1>of thing might provide an employee with a chance to

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<v Speaker 1>find out about something like the Disability erg's advocacy around

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<v Speaker 1>company policies that impact disabled customers. To be honest, I

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<v Speaker 1>imagine you probably didn't have to clock out to take

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<v Speaker 1>an hour to walk around the Diversity Fair. So even

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<v Speaker 1>if you got nothing out of it, maybe you wasted

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<v Speaker 1>a little time at work. You know, everybody wins, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's always ruined the fun. Dando Mahon wasn't there that day,

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<v Speaker 1>but the pamphlets he made were Other members of the

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<v Speaker 1>Caucasian Employee Resource Group handed out a flyer celebrating aviation pioneers.

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<v Speaker 1>It's pretty amateur stuff. This was before people really had

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<v Speaker 1>access to computers. Computers existed. Obviously, the nineties weren't the

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<v Speaker 1>stone ages. I personally was spending hours coloring in shapes

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<v Speaker 1>on kid picks. But we were pretty lucky to have

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<v Speaker 1>a computer at home in the nineties, So this wasn't photoshop, right.

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<v Speaker 1>He cut out pictures of famous aviators and glued them

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<v Speaker 1>to a piece of paper, and then he ran that

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<v Speaker 1>sheet through a manual typewriter to type the captions onto it,

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<v Speaker 1>and then he took the resulting Frankenflyer to a Kinko's

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<v Speaker 1>and ran copies. So it's not a high quality product

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<v Speaker 1>even before we get to the racism, and it's got

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<v Speaker 1>some of the historical aviators you're probably imagining. A picture

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<v Speaker 1>of Amelia Earhart is captioned pioneer woman aviator Wilbur Wright

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<v Speaker 1>gets first powered flight. Chuck Yeger is captioned first to

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<v Speaker 1>break the sound barrier. Nothing weird here. Charles Lindbergh was

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<v Speaker 1>a Nazi sympathizer and a virulent anti Semite, and Verner

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<v Speaker 1>von Braun was literally a Nazi. But yeah, I guess

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<v Speaker 1>technically personal lives aside to the extent that being a

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<v Speaker 1>member of the SS is your personal life. They do

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<v Speaker 1>fit the bill here as pioneers in aviation. The problem

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<v Speaker 1>with the flyers becomes apparent when you get to the back,

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<v Speaker 1>because underneath a cut and pasted picture of a cartoon airplane,

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<v Speaker 1>it says, these famous men and women who made aviation

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<v Speaker 1>history all have one thing in common. They are members

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<v Speaker 1>of the white race, race of explorers, discoverers, scientists, and philosophers.

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<v Speaker 1>We are proud of the accomplishments of our noble race

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<v Speaker 1>in the past, present, and future. Several of these heroes

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<v Speaker 1>of aviation have their names misspelled. He's missing the H

0:24:16.920 --> 0:24:20.720
<v Speaker 1>and Varner von Braun, and I swear it looks like

0:24:20.760 --> 0:24:23.680
<v Speaker 1>he spelled Braun with a W instead of a U.

0:24:23.960 --> 0:24:26.840
<v Speaker 1>But to be fair, that could be a photocopyr artifact.

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<v Speaker 1>World War One fighter pilot Edward Rickenbacker is missing the

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<v Speaker 1>last two letters of his last name. Italian aviator Francesco

0:24:35.359 --> 0:24:40.560
<v Speaker 1>brack Papa is captioned as Francisco, and Francisco isn't even

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<v Speaker 1>spelled right. And in the little racist blurb on the back,

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<v Speaker 1>the word philosopher doesn't have an L in it. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not just pointing this out to clown on a working

0:24:52.560 --> 0:24:56.200
<v Speaker 1>class man who can't spell it's okay if you can't spell,

0:24:56.280 --> 0:24:59.040
<v Speaker 1>that doesn't make you a bad person, because in the

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<v Speaker 1>interest of fairness, I do want to say that the

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<v Speaker 1>flyer is full of typographical errors, because he would later

0:25:06.840 --> 0:25:12.080
<v Speaker 1>claim to have made another typo. He capitalized the first

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<v Speaker 1>letters in the words white race, where they appear in

0:25:16.760 --> 0:25:21.560
<v Speaker 1>the middle of a sentence with otherwise standard capitalization, and

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<v Speaker 1>this is a standard practice in white supremacist literature. During

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<v Speaker 1>the investigation, he maintained that it had no particular meaning.

0:25:31.200 --> 0:25:36.000
<v Speaker 1>He was just a bad typist. So, yes, he did

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<v Speaker 1>spell a lot of these words wrong, but that's a

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<v Speaker 1>combination of this admittedly poor typing and probably just plain

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<v Speaker 1>not knowing. But there aren't any other errors in capitalization,

0:25:49.600 --> 0:25:53.359
<v Speaker 1>so all things considered, this looks like a style choice,

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<v Speaker 1>not a mistake. Within hours of the pamphlets being distributed

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<v Speaker 1>at the Diversity fair, there were complaints. Two weeks later,

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<v Speaker 1>the Diversity Advisory Council that oversaw the resource groups made

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<v Speaker 1>the decision to suspend the Caucasian Employee Resource Group for

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<v Speaker 1>a period of six months. No one was really in trouble.

0:26:14.640 --> 0:26:17.280
<v Speaker 1>None of the employees involved with the group were being disciplined.

0:26:18.280 --> 0:26:21.480
<v Speaker 1>The group wasn't even being banned. They just needed to

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<v Speaker 1>take a few months off to reassess their alignment with

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<v Speaker 1>the company's policies governing such groups, including requirements that all

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<v Speaker 1>employee resource groups support the company's policy on non discrimination

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<v Speaker 1>and a harassment free workplace, promoting tolerance and respect for

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<v Speaker 1>other employees, and not having any financial or organizational ties

0:26:41.640 --> 0:26:46.040
<v Speaker 1>to outside groups. And Daniel's flyer seems to violate all

0:26:46.080 --> 0:26:50.679
<v Speaker 1>of these rules. In the earliest meetings that management had

0:26:50.720 --> 0:26:54.920
<v Speaker 1>about these flyers, it was clear that everyone knew who

0:26:55.040 --> 0:26:59.879
<v Speaker 1>Daniel's brother was. To place us back in Dennis's timeline,

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<v Speaker 1>it's nineteen ninety nine. Dennis Mayon was a well known

0:27:04.880 --> 0:27:09.960
<v Speaker 1>white supremacist, neo Nazi, and Ku klux Klan organizer. You

0:27:10.000 --> 0:27:13.160
<v Speaker 1>didn't have to be in the know about clandestine organizations

0:27:13.200 --> 0:27:16.199
<v Speaker 1>to know that it wasn't a secret. He ran for

0:27:16.359 --> 0:27:18.960
<v Speaker 1>mayor of Tulsa in nineteen ninety two and again in

0:27:19.040 --> 0:27:22.520
<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety eight. In the mid nineties, he paid to

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<v Speaker 1>have a billboard put up in Tulsa honoring Robert Matthews,

0:27:25.920 --> 0:27:28.639
<v Speaker 1>the leader of the Nazi bank robbery gang that murdered

0:27:28.640 --> 0:27:32.639
<v Speaker 1>Alan Berg. The Nazi skinhead gang that he cultivated for

0:27:32.680 --> 0:27:35.919
<v Speaker 1>white Arian resistance shot a little girl in the face

0:27:36.119 --> 0:27:39.680
<v Speaker 1>in Tulsa. In the late eighties, he was banned from

0:27:39.800 --> 0:27:44.280
<v Speaker 1>entering Canada, the UK, and Germany, And by this point

0:27:44.280 --> 0:27:46.920
<v Speaker 1>in the late nineties, Dennis was at the center of

0:27:47.000 --> 0:27:50.399
<v Speaker 1>a number of conspiracy theories about the Oklahoma City bombing

0:27:50.440 --> 0:27:53.440
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen ninety five, and he had just been quite

0:27:53.480 --> 0:27:56.200
<v Speaker 1>publicly called before a grand jury on the matter in

0:27:56.320 --> 0:27:59.199
<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety eight, just a few months before all of

0:27:59.200 --> 0:28:04.080
<v Speaker 1>this is happening. This isn't niche stuff. One hundred and

0:28:04.119 --> 0:28:09.360
<v Speaker 1>seventy people, including an entire daycare center, were murdered an

0:28:09.440 --> 0:28:11.840
<v Speaker 1>hour and a half away from where this workplace meeting

0:28:11.880 --> 0:28:16.000
<v Speaker 1>is happening, and a lot of people thought that Dennis

0:28:16.080 --> 0:28:20.320
<v Speaker 1>helped make that bomb. Plenty of people were very aware

0:28:20.640 --> 0:28:23.240
<v Speaker 1>that Dennis Mayhon was fond of telling reporters that he

0:28:23.280 --> 0:28:27.880
<v Speaker 1>thought Timothy McVay was a very courageous man with tremendous

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<v Speaker 1>drive and quote, if we had one hundred men like

0:28:31.960 --> 0:28:38.280
<v Speaker 1>him in this country, we'd probably change things around. So

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<v Speaker 1>when the Diversity Advisory Council met to discuss the flyers

0:28:41.520 --> 0:28:46.360
<v Speaker 1>two weeks after the Diversity Fair, they knew. They knew

0:28:46.440 --> 0:28:51.000
<v Speaker 1>who Daniel's twin brother was. The minutes from that meeting.

0:28:51.040 --> 0:28:54.360
<v Speaker 1>Don't mention either mayhon brother by name, but they save

0:28:54.440 --> 0:28:57.520
<v Speaker 1>The flyer was developed by individuals believed to have an

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<v Speaker 1>affiliation with local extremist groups, and they even seemed to

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<v Speaker 1>indicate a familiarity with some of the particulars of Dennis's publications,

0:29:07.440 --> 0:29:10.560
<v Speaker 1>noting that quote, some of the comments on the flyer

0:29:10.640 --> 0:29:13.240
<v Speaker 1>were similar to the rhetoric used by those groups in

0:29:13.240 --> 0:29:16.360
<v Speaker 1>a racist nature. You know, I have to hand it

0:29:16.360 --> 0:29:19.280
<v Speaker 1>to them. It's very clear that they knew what they

0:29:19.320 --> 0:29:23.200
<v Speaker 1>were looking at, and they understood the importance of nipping

0:29:23.200 --> 0:29:26.240
<v Speaker 1>it in the bud. And it could have ended there.

0:29:27.320 --> 0:29:31.480
<v Speaker 1>Nobody was in trouble. A line had been crossed. The

0:29:31.560 --> 0:29:35.280
<v Speaker 1>company made it clear where that line was, and everybody

0:29:35.360 --> 0:29:37.280
<v Speaker 1>was just going to take a beat to reflect on

0:29:37.360 --> 0:29:41.800
<v Speaker 1>the experience. But if there's one thing so many of

0:29:41.800 --> 0:29:44.880
<v Speaker 1>these weird little guys have in common, it's that they

0:29:45.080 --> 0:29:48.840
<v Speaker 1>absolutely do not know when to shut the fuck up.

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<v Speaker 1>The company made the decision at the end of March

0:29:53.040 --> 0:29:56.640
<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety nine to suspend the Caucasian Employee Resource Group

0:29:57.200 --> 0:30:01.000
<v Speaker 1>just for six months, but it wasn't until the April twentieth,

0:30:01.080 --> 0:30:04.760
<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety nine meeting of the Caucasian ERG that some

0:30:04.880 --> 0:30:08.320
<v Speaker 1>members of management met with the group to explain this decision.

0:30:09.920 --> 0:30:12.720
<v Speaker 1>Daniel Mahon arrived at the meeting wearing a T shirt

0:30:13.160 --> 0:30:15.760
<v Speaker 1>printed with the picture of the cover of a book.

0:30:17.000 --> 0:30:19.440
<v Speaker 1>The cover depicts a man pointing a rifle and a

0:30:19.440 --> 0:30:23.200
<v Speaker 1>woman pointing a handgun. You can't see what they're aiming at,

0:30:23.240 --> 0:30:27.440
<v Speaker 1>but they both clearly have something in their sights above

0:30:27.480 --> 0:30:34.120
<v Speaker 1>their heads. The text reads The Turner Diaries. This book

0:30:34.240 --> 0:30:38.800
<v Speaker 1>comes up too often on this show. I never know

0:30:38.880 --> 0:30:42.880
<v Speaker 1>how thoroughly to rechhread this ground. But this could be

0:30:42.880 --> 0:30:46.320
<v Speaker 1>your first episode, and how confused must you be? Right now?

0:30:46.440 --> 0:30:48.520
<v Speaker 1>We're kind of in the middle of a longer story here,

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<v Speaker 1>But The Turner Diaries is a novel written by the

0:30:52.880 --> 0:30:56.880
<v Speaker 1>founder of the neo Nazi group National Alliance. After a

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<v Speaker 1>few years coming out in a serialized format and a

0:30:59.520 --> 0:31:02.160
<v Speaker 1>Nazi Now newsletter, it was published as a book in

0:31:02.240 --> 0:31:05.360
<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy eight and sold through the mail and ads

0:31:05.360 --> 0:31:08.680
<v Speaker 1>in Nazi newsletters and at gun shows and cross burnings.

0:31:09.920 --> 0:31:14.520
<v Speaker 1>The violence in the novel is fictional, of course, but

0:31:14.600 --> 0:31:19.680
<v Speaker 1>It's been the inspiration for many murderers and domestic terrorists.

0:31:21.000 --> 0:31:23.880
<v Speaker 1>When Robert Matthews formed the Order of the Nazi terrorist

0:31:23.960 --> 0:31:28.440
<v Speaker 1>group whose bank robberies financed paramilitary compounds, he borrowed the

0:31:28.560 --> 0:31:32.160
<v Speaker 1>name from the book. When Timothy McVeigh was arrested after

0:31:32.160 --> 0:31:35.239
<v Speaker 1>the Oklahoma City bombing, he had the pages of his

0:31:35.240 --> 0:31:37.880
<v Speaker 1>favorite passages sitting on the seat in the car next

0:31:37.920 --> 0:31:42.360
<v Speaker 1>to him. When John William King chained James Byrd Junior

0:31:42.480 --> 0:31:45.360
<v Speaker 1>to the back of his truck moments before dragging him

0:31:45.360 --> 0:31:48.640
<v Speaker 1>to death in Texas in nineteen ninety eight, he joked

0:31:48.640 --> 0:31:52.680
<v Speaker 1>to his accomplices that we're starting the Turner Diaries early

0:31:54.000 --> 0:31:57.960
<v Speaker 1>because that's what happens in the Turner Diaries. The day

0:31:58.000 --> 0:32:04.720
<v Speaker 1>of the rope nationwide mass lynching of black people, Jewish people, journalists,

0:32:04.880 --> 0:32:10.840
<v Speaker 1>race traders. It's not a good book. It's not well written.

0:32:12.040 --> 0:32:15.280
<v Speaker 1>One online review of the book complains that despite all

0:32:15.280 --> 0:32:18.280
<v Speaker 1>the violence in this novel, there is much tedium meant

0:32:18.760 --> 0:32:24.640
<v Speaker 1>little conflict, But literary abomination or not, the book has

0:32:24.680 --> 0:32:29.520
<v Speaker 1>inspired murders all over the world for decades. And that's

0:32:29.560 --> 0:32:32.560
<v Speaker 1>the shirt that Daniel wore to the meeting about his

0:32:32.600 --> 0:32:38.560
<v Speaker 1>white pride pamphlets and that was the line. Apparently there

0:32:38.560 --> 0:32:42.840
<v Speaker 1>were more complaints. The initial decision to just suspend the

0:32:42.840 --> 0:32:47.719
<v Speaker 1>group's activities obviously wasn't going to cut it. An investigation

0:32:47.880 --> 0:32:51.840
<v Speaker 1>was opened into the complaints about Daniel's workplace conduct, and

0:32:52.000 --> 0:32:56.600
<v Speaker 1>on May tenth, nineteen ninety nine, he was fired. The

0:32:56.680 --> 0:33:00.160
<v Speaker 1>termination letter says, in addition to other findings in the investigation,

0:33:01.240 --> 0:33:05.000
<v Speaker 1>wearing that shirt to the meeting created a racially hostile

0:33:05.040 --> 0:33:09.920
<v Speaker 1>work environment as a member of the Transport Workers Union.

0:33:10.440 --> 0:33:13.120
<v Speaker 1>He filed a grievance protesting the decision, and it was

0:33:13.200 --> 0:33:16.920
<v Speaker 1>ultimately appealed to the Board of Adjustment. In November of

0:33:17.000 --> 0:33:21.240
<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety nine, a full hearing was conducted, lasting three days.

0:33:22.920 --> 0:33:26.520
<v Speaker 1>Daniel Mahon has always claimed that he had no involvement

0:33:26.560 --> 0:33:30.800
<v Speaker 1>in his brother's activities. At the hearing, the company produced

0:33:30.840 --> 0:33:35.000
<v Speaker 1>as evidence a clan newsletter naming Daniel m of Tulsa

0:33:35.720 --> 0:33:39.400
<v Speaker 1>as White Patriot of the Month, quote for his tremendous

0:33:39.480 --> 0:33:43.520
<v Speaker 1>efforts in financial support of the struggle, and thanking him

0:33:43.600 --> 0:33:45.720
<v Speaker 1>for his help setting up the cross at a cross

0:33:45.720 --> 0:33:49.920
<v Speaker 1>burning event. He also provided the tent, the sound system,

0:33:50.000 --> 0:33:54.000
<v Speaker 1>and the portable generator. The newsletter goes on to describe

0:33:54.040 --> 0:33:57.960
<v Speaker 1>his large collection of Clan and National Socialist white power

0:33:58.040 --> 0:34:02.080
<v Speaker 1>merchandise and praise him for supplying many white power groups

0:34:02.120 --> 0:34:06.200
<v Speaker 1>with T shirts over the years. He would ultimately admit

0:34:06.280 --> 0:34:10.839
<v Speaker 1>that yes, he is Daniel M of Tulsa, but he

0:34:10.880 --> 0:34:14.480
<v Speaker 1>really downplayed the praise that's being heaped upon him here.

0:34:15.400 --> 0:34:18.520
<v Speaker 1>He was just helping his brother out. He wasn't at

0:34:18.600 --> 0:34:21.399
<v Speaker 1>the cross burning. He just gave his brother a ride there.

0:34:23.400 --> 0:34:26.000
<v Speaker 1>The company called an expert witness to present evidence of

0:34:26.000 --> 0:34:30.120
<v Speaker 1>the Mayhun Brothers white supremacist activities, including that clan newsletter

0:34:30.200 --> 0:34:33.959
<v Speaker 1>naming Daniel White Patriot of the Month. The expert also

0:34:34.000 --> 0:34:37.239
<v Speaker 1>explained the significance of the language and the capitalization used

0:34:37.239 --> 0:34:42.160
<v Speaker 1>in the flyer. The board's opinion doesn't name this expert witness,

0:34:42.760 --> 0:34:46.000
<v Speaker 1>but I'm willing to risk five dollars betting that it

0:34:46.200 --> 0:34:50.640
<v Speaker 1>was Daniel Levatas if I'd managed my time better this week,

0:34:50.640 --> 0:34:54.120
<v Speaker 1>I would have written and asked him. But that's my guess.

0:34:56.360 --> 0:35:00.480
<v Speaker 1>Over the course of three days, witness after witness was called,

0:35:01.680 --> 0:35:04.840
<v Speaker 1>and the official reason for the termination had been the

0:35:04.880 --> 0:35:08.279
<v Speaker 1>incident with the Turner Diary's T shirt, but it came

0:35:08.280 --> 0:35:10.960
<v Speaker 1>out in this hearing that this was far from the

0:35:10.960 --> 0:35:14.480
<v Speaker 1>first time Daniel Mayhon's white supremacist ties had caused friction

0:35:14.600 --> 0:35:19.640
<v Speaker 1>at work. His supervisor testified that on Daniel's very first

0:35:20.080 --> 0:35:24.839
<v Speaker 1>day at American Airlines back in nineteen eighty six, he'd

0:35:24.840 --> 0:35:30.080
<v Speaker 1>been complaining loudly about Jews and n words. Two other

0:35:30.200 --> 0:35:34.560
<v Speaker 1>supervisors testified about two separate incidents where they'd warned him

0:35:34.600 --> 0:35:37.920
<v Speaker 1>not to bring clan or white Airan resistance materials to work.

0:35:38.960 --> 0:35:41.400
<v Speaker 1>There had been another complaint about him wearing a KKK

0:35:41.640 --> 0:35:46.319
<v Speaker 1>hat and belt buckle. Multiple employees had complained about a

0:35:46.400 --> 0:35:51.720
<v Speaker 1>KKK knife. A supervisor who worked nights as a security

0:35:51.760 --> 0:35:53.919
<v Speaker 1>guard had been assigned a shift to a local gun

0:35:53.960 --> 0:35:57.640
<v Speaker 1>show where he saw Daniel Mahon selling merchandise at the

0:35:57.760 --> 0:36:02.239
<v Speaker 1>Aryan Nations booth. The supervisor testified that Daniel called him

0:36:02.239 --> 0:36:04.960
<v Speaker 1>over and tried to give him an Arian Nation's T shirt,

0:36:05.480 --> 0:36:10.000
<v Speaker 1>but he declined. The same supervisor testified that Daniel had

0:36:10.000 --> 0:36:12.640
<v Speaker 1>invited him over to his house one night and showed

0:36:12.680 --> 0:36:15.480
<v Speaker 1>him a racially violent movie and tried to give him

0:36:15.480 --> 0:36:21.680
<v Speaker 1>white supremacist texts. A Walgreens cashier testified that some time

0:36:21.719 --> 0:36:25.400
<v Speaker 1>after Daniel's termination. The brothers came into the drug store

0:36:25.400 --> 0:36:27.960
<v Speaker 1>to drop off some film to be developed, and a

0:36:28.120 --> 0:36:32.600
<v Speaker 1>visibly intoxicated Dennis Mayhon was shouting about how if American

0:36:32.640 --> 0:36:35.839
<v Speaker 1>Airlines didn't give his brother his job back, they were

0:36:35.880 --> 0:36:40.360
<v Speaker 1>going to see the biggest bomb they ever had. The

0:36:40.400 --> 0:36:43.400
<v Speaker 1>expert offered evidence that Daniel's grievance with the company was

0:36:43.400 --> 0:36:48.360
<v Speaker 1>a subject of significant discussion and fundraising in white supremacist

0:36:48.440 --> 0:36:52.719
<v Speaker 1>newsletters and broadcasts, which undermines his claim that he had

0:36:52.760 --> 0:36:59.240
<v Speaker 1>no connection to those groups. Daniel Mayhon's union representative advised

0:36:59.280 --> 0:37:02.640
<v Speaker 1>him not to test on his own behalf, but they

0:37:02.640 --> 0:37:05.360
<v Speaker 1>did put on several witnesses who testified that he was

0:37:05.400 --> 0:37:09.200
<v Speaker 1>a model employee, that he had been kind to them,

0:37:09.320 --> 0:37:12.719
<v Speaker 1>or that they personally had not been offended by the flyers.

0:37:13.600 --> 0:37:16.719
<v Speaker 1>Linda Dill and Craig Nichols, the employees who actually led

0:37:16.760 --> 0:37:20.640
<v Speaker 1>the Caucasian Employee Resource Group, testified that it was not

0:37:20.880 --> 0:37:24.200
<v Speaker 1>true that Daniel had explicitly told the group that his

0:37:24.280 --> 0:37:29.080
<v Speaker 1>brother would help him make the flyers. The board was unconvinced,

0:37:29.680 --> 0:37:32.120
<v Speaker 1>writing in their final opinion in March of two thousand,

0:37:33.640 --> 0:37:37.000
<v Speaker 1>clearly he holds white supremacist beliefs and has ties to

0:37:37.200 --> 0:37:42.400
<v Speaker 1>and involvement in such organizations. The opinion is clear that

0:37:42.640 --> 0:37:46.560
<v Speaker 1>he can't be and isn't being disciplined for his brother's

0:37:46.640 --> 0:37:49.560
<v Speaker 1>conduct or even for his own conduct outside of work.

0:37:50.719 --> 0:37:55.040
<v Speaker 1>But this background reflects unfavorably on the underlying intent of

0:37:55.080 --> 0:37:57.640
<v Speaker 1>the flyers and the decision to wear the Turner diary

0:37:57.719 --> 0:38:02.400
<v Speaker 1>shirt to work. Their summary of the evidence concludes by saying,

0:38:03.320 --> 0:38:06.560
<v Speaker 1>the fact that he was technically proficient and nice to

0:38:06.760 --> 0:38:10.960
<v Speaker 1>some people doesn't outweigh all the other evidence, nor is

0:38:10.960 --> 0:38:13.760
<v Speaker 1>it directly related to the specific nature of his conduct

0:38:13.760 --> 0:38:18.440
<v Speaker 1>in this case. The decision to uphold the termination was

0:38:18.520 --> 0:38:23.120
<v Speaker 1>two to one. Arbitrator Gil Vernon, an American Airlines employee,

0:38:23.120 --> 0:38:28.480
<v Speaker 1>Mary Tinsman, agreed with J. C. Brown dissenting. I struggled

0:38:28.480 --> 0:38:30.919
<v Speaker 1>to pin down who j. C. Brown might have been,

0:38:31.960 --> 0:38:35.279
<v Speaker 1>but Gil Vernon is kind of a big deal in

0:38:35.360 --> 0:38:40.480
<v Speaker 1>the world of union arbitration anyway. In nineteen ninety six,

0:38:40.560 --> 0:38:43.200
<v Speaker 1>President Clinton appointed him to a commission to help resolve

0:38:43.239 --> 0:38:47.520
<v Speaker 1>a National Railroad labor dispute. President Obama appointed him to

0:38:47.560 --> 0:38:51.800
<v Speaker 1>a similar body in twenty eleven. He's an arbitrator for

0:38:52.000 --> 0:38:55.680
<v Speaker 1>Major League Baseball. He was the president of the National

0:38:55.719 --> 0:38:59.600
<v Speaker 1>Academy of Arbitrators in twenty ten. And he has also

0:38:59.680 --> 0:39:04.279
<v Speaker 1>bond Vere's dad. Well, his son is justin Vernon, the

0:39:04.320 --> 0:39:08.719
<v Speaker 1>frontman of the indie folk band. So next time you

0:39:08.760 --> 0:39:10.960
<v Speaker 1>hear a Bonnie Vere song, I guess you can think

0:39:11.000 --> 0:39:14.000
<v Speaker 1>about the time his dad wrote this about a racist.

0:39:15.760 --> 0:39:19.040
<v Speaker 1>His message was subtle, but in clearly resonant tones, rang

0:39:19.120 --> 0:39:23.440
<v Speaker 1>true only to the sad song of racial superiority. Clever

0:39:23.480 --> 0:39:26.400
<v Speaker 1>equivocation and veiled threats are part and parcel of the

0:39:26.400 --> 0:39:29.600
<v Speaker 1>grievance ilk and he can't hide behind cleverness at the

0:39:29.640 --> 0:39:32.720
<v Speaker 1>expense of the security, dignity, and respect of other workers

0:39:32.760 --> 0:39:35.239
<v Speaker 1>who do not share his race or ethnicity, or his

0:39:35.280 --> 0:39:41.080
<v Speaker 1>attitudes about racial nobility. Much is debated in this record, However,

0:39:41.120 --> 0:39:44.480
<v Speaker 1>in the final analysis, something must be said, in plain

0:39:44.640 --> 0:39:45.880
<v Speaker 1>and simple terms.

0:39:46.920 --> 0:40:05.200
<v Speaker 2>At the root of Grievan's conduct was hate.

0:40:05.440 --> 0:40:07.839
<v Speaker 1>Daniel Mayhon spend the next several months trying to find

0:40:07.840 --> 0:40:10.799
<v Speaker 1>a lawyer. He sent a letter to the law firm

0:40:10.840 --> 0:40:14.399
<v Speaker 1>of former Oklahoma Attorney General Mike Chirpin, but the firm

0:40:14.480 --> 0:40:16.879
<v Speaker 1>turned the case down without even agreeing to meet with him.

0:40:17.960 --> 0:40:21.360
<v Speaker 1>He consulted with his friend Jean, but Jean wasn't interested

0:40:21.400 --> 0:40:25.680
<v Speaker 1>in the case. Gene in this case is a Tulsa

0:40:25.719 --> 0:40:31.080
<v Speaker 1>area bankruptcy attorney named Francis Eugene Huff. Daniel describes him

0:40:31.080 --> 0:40:34.560
<v Speaker 1>as a conservative type person and a real nice guy,

0:40:35.400 --> 0:40:37.600
<v Speaker 1>and they'd been friends for about nine years by the

0:40:37.600 --> 0:40:40.759
<v Speaker 1>time he was deposed in two thousand and three. He

0:40:40.800 --> 0:40:43.759
<v Speaker 1>doesn't offer up any other facts about Gene, like that

0:40:43.840 --> 0:40:46.360
<v Speaker 1>he was a member of the Council of Conservative Citizens,

0:40:46.480 --> 0:40:48.479
<v Speaker 1>or the fact that he may have been too busy

0:40:48.520 --> 0:40:50.680
<v Speaker 1>to take Daniel's case back then because he was in

0:40:50.719 --> 0:40:53.960
<v Speaker 1>the middle of representing the Council of Conservative Citizens in

0:40:54.000 --> 0:40:59.440
<v Speaker 1>their lawsuits regarding Confederate flags on public property. The questioning

0:40:59.640 --> 0:41:03.480
<v Speaker 1>about Huff leave me with the impression that the lawyer

0:41:03.520 --> 0:41:07.640
<v Speaker 1>asking the questions did not believe Daniel when he said

0:41:07.640 --> 0:41:11.520
<v Speaker 1>that Gene Huff never helped him with his case. Sometime

0:41:11.560 --> 0:41:14.880
<v Speaker 1>in the summer of two thousand so, after the arbitrator

0:41:14.960 --> 0:41:18.080
<v Speaker 1>upheld his termination and before he filed his federal lawsuit,

0:41:19.040 --> 0:41:22.520
<v Speaker 1>Daniel Mayhon sent a letter to the ACLU asking them

0:41:22.560 --> 0:41:26.799
<v Speaker 1>to take his case. The letter doesn't read like it

0:41:26.880 --> 0:41:29.879
<v Speaker 1>was written by Daniel Mayhon, and I don't just mean

0:41:29.960 --> 0:41:34.640
<v Speaker 1>diction and spelling, Although those may be dead giveaways. The

0:41:34.680 --> 0:41:37.880
<v Speaker 1>real tip off is a handwritten note in the margin

0:41:37.960 --> 0:41:42.560
<v Speaker 1>of the letter that says, Gene, should you print Daniel

0:41:42.600 --> 0:41:47.120
<v Speaker 1>Mayhon in place of I. So what it sounds like

0:41:47.920 --> 0:41:51.240
<v Speaker 1>is that Jane wrote the letter pretending to be Daniel,

0:41:52.239 --> 0:41:56.120
<v Speaker 1>and when Daniel read it, he didn't understand that, and

0:41:56.160 --> 0:41:58.319
<v Speaker 1>so he was asking why the letter was written in

0:41:58.360 --> 0:42:00.920
<v Speaker 1>the first person, as though he had written it himself,

0:42:02.280 --> 0:42:05.560
<v Speaker 1>And for some reason he mailed the letter to the

0:42:05.560 --> 0:42:09.920
<v Speaker 1>ACLU like that. He didn't get another copy of it

0:42:09.960 --> 0:42:14.080
<v Speaker 1>without that strange note in the margin. The letter is

0:42:14.120 --> 0:42:17.440
<v Speaker 1>also written in cursive that doesn't match the style of

0:42:17.520 --> 0:42:21.000
<v Speaker 1>cursive in Daniel's signature, and then towards the end of

0:42:21.040 --> 0:42:24.439
<v Speaker 1>the letter it abruptly switches to print that does more

0:42:24.480 --> 0:42:29.560
<v Speaker 1>closely match his handwriting. Under oath, he says he wrote

0:42:29.560 --> 0:42:34.000
<v Speaker 1>it himself and that Gene didn't help him. The letter

0:42:34.040 --> 0:42:36.800
<v Speaker 1>itself isn't reproduced in the court record that I could find,

0:42:36.880 --> 0:42:40.400
<v Speaker 1>but it appears to have been riddled with false claims.

0:42:41.640 --> 0:42:46.120
<v Speaker 1>The local ACLU was already very familiar with Daniel Mayhon's

0:42:46.120 --> 0:42:49.480
<v Speaker 1>brother Dennis. They'd represented him a decade earlier in his

0:42:49.560 --> 0:42:53.080
<v Speaker 1>lawsuit against Kansas City over the Klan's public access TV show,

0:42:54.560 --> 0:42:57.600
<v Speaker 1>and it sounds like Daniel was doing his best to

0:42:57.600 --> 0:43:00.799
<v Speaker 1>try to convince the ACLU that his firing had been

0:43:00.840 --> 0:43:04.719
<v Speaker 1>a grave injustice, because not only was he nothing like

0:43:04.800 --> 0:43:08.680
<v Speaker 1>his brother, but his brother wasn't even really so bad.

0:43:10.040 --> 0:43:13.040
<v Speaker 1>He would later claim that Dennis only got deported from

0:43:13.080 --> 0:43:16.920
<v Speaker 1>Canada nineteen ninety three because he was carrying a book

0:43:17.040 --> 0:43:21.120
<v Speaker 1>by an English author that was illegal in Canada, which

0:43:21.160 --> 0:43:25.040
<v Speaker 1>is almost certainly a reference to Holocaust denied David Irving,

0:43:25.120 --> 0:43:28.759
<v Speaker 1>who had himself been banned from Canada in nineteen ninety two.

0:43:29.320 --> 0:43:32.680
<v Speaker 1>Daniel neglects to mention that the Canadian government was concerned

0:43:32.719 --> 0:43:35.959
<v Speaker 1>that Dennis would incite violence at a Nazi rally during

0:43:36.000 --> 0:43:40.320
<v Speaker 1>his visit. The violence at that Nazi rally happened anyway,

0:43:40.360 --> 0:43:45.680
<v Speaker 1>but Dennis wasn't there. As for Dennis's trip to Germany,

0:43:45.800 --> 0:43:48.840
<v Speaker 1>his brother says Dennis didn't even do any Nazi stuff there.

0:43:49.480 --> 0:43:52.799
<v Speaker 1>He just went to an old church to lay some flowers.

0:43:53.960 --> 0:43:57.319
<v Speaker 1>But it seems like the ACLU wasn't interested in going

0:43:57.360 --> 0:44:00.720
<v Speaker 1>to bat for another Mahon because they didn't take the case.

0:44:01.960 --> 0:44:04.160
<v Speaker 1>The lawyer he ended up hiring to represent him was

0:44:04.200 --> 0:44:08.240
<v Speaker 1>a man named Robert Eugene Fraser the third, and Fraser

0:44:08.320 --> 0:44:11.040
<v Speaker 1>was young. He'd only just passed the bar in nineteen

0:44:11.120 --> 0:44:13.680
<v Speaker 1>ninety nine, the year before he met Daniel in the

0:44:13.719 --> 0:44:17.880
<v Speaker 1>summer of two thousand. Daniel says they met when Fraser

0:44:17.920 --> 0:44:20.439
<v Speaker 1>answered a classified ad in the newspaper about a boat

0:44:20.480 --> 0:44:23.480
<v Speaker 1>he was selling. Fraser came to look at the boat.

0:44:23.680 --> 0:44:25.880
<v Speaker 1>The men got to talking. Daniel found out he was

0:44:25.920 --> 0:44:30.360
<v Speaker 1>a lawyer, and he agreed to take the case. Daniel

0:44:30.360 --> 0:44:33.759
<v Speaker 1>would claim in that deposition that Dennis had left the

0:44:33.840 --> 0:44:37.480
<v Speaker 1>clan for good in nineteen ninety because Daniel gave him

0:44:37.480 --> 0:44:40.799
<v Speaker 1>an ultimatum. Hey said he didn't want that stuff going

0:44:40.800 --> 0:44:44.200
<v Speaker 1>on in his house, which is where his brother lived.

0:44:45.520 --> 0:44:48.880
<v Speaker 1>He outright says that he's actually responsible for getting his

0:44:48.920 --> 0:44:53.000
<v Speaker 1>brother out of hate group organizing. But when he's pressed

0:44:53.000 --> 0:44:56.720
<v Speaker 1>on this, he can't explain, why then, does his brother

0:44:56.840 --> 0:45:00.319
<v Speaker 1>still live with him now ten years later, and that

0:45:00.480 --> 0:45:02.920
<v Speaker 1>kind of stuff was very much still going on in

0:45:03.000 --> 0:45:06.880
<v Speaker 1>his house. The brothers both got their mail of the

0:45:06.920 --> 0:45:10.160
<v Speaker 1>same po box, the one Dennis used for his white

0:45:10.200 --> 0:45:14.080
<v Speaker 1>power newsletters. The phone line at the house they shared

0:45:14.280 --> 0:45:17.000
<v Speaker 1>was the same one Dennis used to run his dial

0:45:17.000 --> 0:45:21.719
<v Speaker 1>a racist hot line. In this deposition in two thousand three,

0:45:22.360 --> 0:45:25.600
<v Speaker 1>Daniel claims Dennis hasn't been involved with White Arian Resistance

0:45:25.719 --> 0:45:28.640
<v Speaker 1>since nineteen ninety five, and then he hasn't really been

0:45:28.640 --> 0:45:35.319
<v Speaker 1>involved in anything in years. That's just not true. He

0:45:35.360 --> 0:45:38.759
<v Speaker 1>should have been charged with perjury for that, because just

0:45:38.800 --> 0:45:41.759
<v Speaker 1>a few weeks before he sat down to answer these questions,

0:45:42.520 --> 0:45:46.400
<v Speaker 1>his twin brother was in the news in Arizona. Residents

0:45:46.440 --> 0:45:49.719
<v Speaker 1>of Mesa had received a flurry of racist flyers, and

0:45:50.719 --> 0:45:53.239
<v Speaker 1>Dennis has quoted in the paper about it, and the

0:45:53.280 --> 0:45:57.319
<v Speaker 1>Arizona Republic describes him as the state wide director of

0:45:57.360 --> 0:46:01.960
<v Speaker 1>White Arian Resistance. In two thousand and one, when Dennis

0:46:02.000 --> 0:46:06.000
<v Speaker 1>announced that he was moving to Arizona, Governor Jane Hull

0:46:06.280 --> 0:46:09.560
<v Speaker 1>asked residents to wear a green ribbon to show their

0:46:09.600 --> 0:46:15.959
<v Speaker 1>opposition to Dennis, like to Dennis personally. The newspaper quite

0:46:16.000 --> 0:46:20.399
<v Speaker 1>literally says quote Governor Jane Hull wants Arizonans to wear

0:46:20.400 --> 0:46:24.640
<v Speaker 1>a green ribbon to show unity against Dennis Mayhon, leader

0:46:24.680 --> 0:46:29.080
<v Speaker 1>of the White Arian Resistance supremacist group. The headline is

0:46:29.520 --> 0:46:34.040
<v Speaker 1>go away, mister Mayhon, you can't look a court reporter

0:46:34.160 --> 0:46:36.560
<v Speaker 1>in her eyes and say, your brother hasn't been involved

0:46:36.600 --> 0:46:40.319
<v Speaker 1>in racist stuff for years when the actual governor of

0:46:40.400 --> 0:46:43.640
<v Speaker 1>a whole state is denouncing him by name like that.

0:46:46.200 --> 0:46:51.560
<v Speaker 1>The deposition transcript is a perplexing document. Like I said,

0:46:51.560 --> 0:46:55.520
<v Speaker 1>it's the most information I have about Daniel, straight from

0:46:55.520 --> 0:46:59.640
<v Speaker 1>his own mouth under oath, but it's riddled with statements

0:46:59.680 --> 0:47:03.239
<v Speaker 1>I know aren't true, either because I have a better

0:47:03.280 --> 0:47:07.040
<v Speaker 1>source that contradicts him, or because it simply can't be

0:47:07.080 --> 0:47:12.640
<v Speaker 1>true due to reality. Now I won't say he's lying,

0:47:13.440 --> 0:47:17.800
<v Speaker 1>because I just did before, but lying under oath is

0:47:17.840 --> 0:47:21.680
<v Speaker 1>called perjury, and it's a crime when he hasn't been

0:47:21.680 --> 0:47:27.040
<v Speaker 1>convicted of a crime. But not everything he said was true,

0:47:27.360 --> 0:47:30.040
<v Speaker 1>and that's a fact I now. Some of it is

0:47:30.080 --> 0:47:32.960
<v Speaker 1>just dates. He says he married his wife, Myrna, in

0:47:33.040 --> 0:47:37.960
<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy nine, but the marriage licenses nineteen seventy eight. Okay,

0:47:38.320 --> 0:47:41.440
<v Speaker 1>a lot of men don't know their anniversary. But he

0:47:41.480 --> 0:47:45.360
<v Speaker 1>also consistently refers to Myrna as his wife in the

0:47:45.560 --> 0:47:49.719
<v Speaker 1>present tense. But by two thousand and three they'd been

0:47:49.760 --> 0:47:54.360
<v Speaker 1>divorced for nineteen years. They split in nineteen eighty four,

0:47:54.840 --> 0:47:59.800
<v Speaker 1>and she had since remarried At least twice, and several

0:47:59.800 --> 0:48:04.640
<v Speaker 1>times during the proceeding he brings up Mirna's race. They

0:48:04.680 --> 0:48:06.480
<v Speaker 1>met when he was in the Navy and he was

0:48:06.520 --> 0:48:09.759
<v Speaker 1>stationed in the Philippines, And would a man who is

0:48:09.920 --> 0:48:15.920
<v Speaker 1>racist mary a Filipino woman. The answer to that is yes, obviously,

0:48:16.400 --> 0:48:20.239
<v Speaker 1>of course he could. It happens all the time. There's

0:48:20.360 --> 0:48:24.400
<v Speaker 1>no shortage of white supremacist men with Asian Pacific islander

0:48:24.560 --> 0:48:28.880
<v Speaker 1>or Hispanic wives. I once got an elaborate death threat

0:48:29.040 --> 0:48:32.120
<v Speaker 1>from a fairly prominent neo Nazi who uses his Latina

0:48:32.120 --> 0:48:35.960
<v Speaker 1>wife's name on paperwork for his small business so he

0:48:36.000 --> 0:48:39.719
<v Speaker 1>can claim it's a women and minority owned business. It

0:48:39.800 --> 0:48:44.600
<v Speaker 1>happens a lot, but a lot of his answers are muddled,

0:48:45.440 --> 0:48:50.040
<v Speaker 1>dates that aren't possible, locations that don't match, the kinds

0:48:50.080 --> 0:48:52.520
<v Speaker 1>of mistakes you could chalk up to a hazy memory.

0:48:53.480 --> 0:48:55.840
<v Speaker 1>He recollects the time the Secret Service came to his

0:48:55.880 --> 0:49:00.960
<v Speaker 1>house to talk to Dennis about pissing on Air Force one.

0:49:01.520 --> 0:49:05.239
<v Speaker 1>The plane was apparently parked in a Boeing hangar in Wichita,

0:49:05.560 --> 0:49:08.960
<v Speaker 1>where Dennis was working at the time, and he apparently

0:49:09.200 --> 0:49:12.799
<v Speaker 1>entered the plane and relieved himself on the president's chair.

0:49:14.360 --> 0:49:17.960
<v Speaker 1>The deposition transcript describes this as having taken place in

0:49:18.000 --> 0:49:22.200
<v Speaker 1>the spring of nineteen ninety nine. I think that may

0:49:22.200 --> 0:49:26.799
<v Speaker 1>be a transcriptionist typographical error, because it has to be

0:49:26.880 --> 0:49:31.320
<v Speaker 1>eighty nine. Daniel recalls that it was around two years

0:49:31.320 --> 0:49:35.040
<v Speaker 1>after he and his wife separated, but that's not quite

0:49:35.080 --> 0:49:39.240
<v Speaker 1>right either. They separated in eighty four, and the president

0:49:39.239 --> 0:49:43.600
<v Speaker 1>in question was George Bush. We've had two president Bushes,

0:49:43.640 --> 0:49:46.920
<v Speaker 1>and Daniel occasionally claims that he and Myrna at some

0:49:47.040 --> 0:49:50.120
<v Speaker 1>point got back together. I don't know if that's true,

0:49:50.120 --> 0:49:52.880
<v Speaker 1>but even if it is, none of these combinations of

0:49:52.960 --> 0:49:55.880
<v Speaker 1>facts produced the possibility for all of these things to

0:49:55.960 --> 0:49:59.200
<v Speaker 1>have been true at the same time. Based on the

0:49:59.200 --> 0:50:02.560
<v Speaker 1>description of the plane being in Wichita and Dennis being

0:50:02.600 --> 0:50:06.160
<v Speaker 1>employed by an airline called Braniff at the time, it

0:50:06.200 --> 0:50:09.800
<v Speaker 1>could only have been nineteen eighty nine. That's the only

0:50:09.880 --> 0:50:13.200
<v Speaker 1>point in time during which Branef Airlines operated at the

0:50:13.239 --> 0:50:18.479
<v Speaker 1>Wichita airport, and we had a president named Bush. Whether

0:50:18.600 --> 0:50:22.880
<v Speaker 1>Dennis actually pissed on Air Force one is anybody's guests,

0:50:23.920 --> 0:50:26.319
<v Speaker 1>but I don't doubt that he told people he did.

0:50:27.160 --> 0:50:29.799
<v Speaker 1>He wrote in his own clan newsletter in nineteen ninety one,

0:50:29.880 --> 0:50:33.640
<v Speaker 1>that he'd urinated on a memorial to Holocaust victims when

0:50:33.640 --> 0:50:39.160
<v Speaker 1>he visited a concentration camp in Germany, and other important

0:50:39.239 --> 0:50:44.239
<v Speaker 1>dates in his brother's life are similarly confused in Daniel's testimony.

0:50:45.480 --> 0:50:49.560
<v Speaker 1>We know. Dennis himself has said that his racial awakening

0:50:49.920 --> 0:50:53.960
<v Speaker 1>was in Florida in May of nineteen eighty. When Matthew

0:50:54.000 --> 0:50:56.400
<v Speaker 1>Kennard interviewed him for his book about white supremacists in

0:50:56.440 --> 0:50:59.919
<v Speaker 1>the military, he was very clear that his National Guard

0:51:00.160 --> 0:51:03.120
<v Speaker 1>unit had been deployed that month to assist in transporting

0:51:03.160 --> 0:51:07.799
<v Speaker 1>Cuban asylum seekers to processing and detention centers. But that

0:51:07.960 --> 0:51:10.279
<v Speaker 1>wasn't the only thing going on in Miami in May

0:51:10.360 --> 0:51:15.960
<v Speaker 1>of nineteen eighty. Dennis's unit was deployed on May third,

0:51:16.520 --> 0:51:20.240
<v Speaker 1>we know that, But two weeks later, the National Guard

0:51:20.280 --> 0:51:24.600
<v Speaker 1>was deployed again, this time to put down the Miami riots.

0:51:25.440 --> 0:51:28.720
<v Speaker 1>I think sometimes this pair of events gets muddled together.

0:51:29.520 --> 0:51:33.120
<v Speaker 1>It certainly did for Daniel, But the riots had very

0:51:33.120 --> 0:51:37.000
<v Speaker 1>little to do with the thousands of Cubans arriving by boat.

0:51:37.600 --> 0:51:41.080
<v Speaker 1>On May seventeenth, nineteen eighty, an all white male jury

0:51:41.520 --> 0:51:45.640
<v Speaker 1>returned not guilty verdicts for all four of the Miami

0:51:45.680 --> 0:51:48.359
<v Speaker 1>police officers who had beaten Arthur mc duffie to death

0:51:48.400 --> 0:51:52.840
<v Speaker 1>a year earlier. McDuffie had been a United States Marine,

0:51:53.360 --> 0:51:55.719
<v Speaker 1>but more importantly, in the eyes of the officers who

0:51:55.719 --> 0:51:58.439
<v Speaker 1>shattered his skull, he was a thirty three year old

0:51:58.440 --> 0:52:04.560
<v Speaker 1>black man. Three days of rioting followed the verdict. Eighteen

0:52:04.640 --> 0:52:08.320
<v Speaker 1>people died. On the second day of the riot, the

0:52:08.440 --> 0:52:12.440
<v Speaker 1>National Guard was sent in. I honestly couldn't tell you

0:52:12.520 --> 0:52:15.880
<v Speaker 1>if the units deployed to transport Cuban asylum seekers starting

0:52:15.880 --> 0:52:18.920
<v Speaker 1>on May third were the same men deployed to the

0:52:19.040 --> 0:52:22.399
<v Speaker 1>riots on May eighteenth. I can't find any specifics about that.

0:52:22.680 --> 0:52:26.279
<v Speaker 1>I know the National Guard was transporting those people for

0:52:26.320 --> 0:52:29.040
<v Speaker 1>a longer period of time than that, but I don't

0:52:29.200 --> 0:52:33.600
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Denis never mentioned the riots though when

0:52:33.600 --> 0:52:36.400
<v Speaker 1>he spoke to Kennar at about that time in his life.

0:52:36.920 --> 0:52:39.680
<v Speaker 1>But Daniel is adamant that it was the Miami riots

0:52:40.160 --> 0:52:43.680
<v Speaker 1>that changed his brother that month, describing him as having

0:52:43.719 --> 0:52:45.920
<v Speaker 1>been right in the thick of it and that it

0:52:45.960 --> 0:52:51.240
<v Speaker 1>was a pretty bloody situation. He's mistaken about the dates again.

0:52:51.800 --> 0:52:54.800
<v Speaker 1>He says it was May third, and he says eighteen

0:52:54.840 --> 0:52:59.440
<v Speaker 1>people died the first night, but he's so specific about it.

0:53:00.560 --> 0:53:02.560
<v Speaker 1>He says that Dennis had to use his rifle on

0:53:02.600 --> 0:53:05.359
<v Speaker 1>a civilian and that the police officer next to him

0:53:05.400 --> 0:53:09.560
<v Speaker 1>had a heart attack and died. A Miami Police Department

0:53:09.640 --> 0:53:13.799
<v Speaker 1>after action report confirms at least some of this is

0:53:13.840 --> 0:53:17.319
<v Speaker 1>based in fact. On the afternoon of the second day

0:53:17.320 --> 0:53:22.000
<v Speaker 1>of the riots, so May eighteenth, Miami Police officer Lieutenant

0:53:22.120 --> 0:53:26.080
<v Speaker 1>Edward McDermott was escorting National Guard troops when he suffered

0:53:26.080 --> 0:53:30.280
<v Speaker 1>a massive heart attack and died. The report doesn't include

0:53:30.320 --> 0:53:33.800
<v Speaker 1>any mention of National guardsmen firing their weapons. It only

0:53:33.840 --> 0:53:38.799
<v Speaker 1>outlines the occasions on which Miami police officers did, but

0:53:38.840 --> 0:53:41.480
<v Speaker 1>that's because the report is by the Miami Police Department.

0:53:42.440 --> 0:53:46.040
<v Speaker 1>I think any information about whether guardsmen had fired their

0:53:46.040 --> 0:53:48.880
<v Speaker 1>weapons would be in a report by the National Guard.

0:53:49.880 --> 0:53:52.280
<v Speaker 1>I was unable to confirm whether or not any National

0:53:52.320 --> 0:53:57.719
<v Speaker 1>guardsman shot a civilian during the riots. But ultimately I

0:53:57.840 --> 0:54:00.880
<v Speaker 1>think what happened here is that Daniel thought he was

0:54:00.920 --> 0:54:03.759
<v Speaker 1>telling the truth, and it was Dennis who lied to

0:54:03.800 --> 0:54:07.600
<v Speaker 1>his brother, because telling people that you became racist because

0:54:07.640 --> 0:54:10.799
<v Speaker 1>you killed a man in a race riot sounds more

0:54:10.840 --> 0:54:14.040
<v Speaker 1>impressive than the truth, which is that he was a

0:54:14.080 --> 0:54:17.000
<v Speaker 1>glorified bus driver for a week, and he hates the

0:54:17.040 --> 0:54:21.600
<v Speaker 1>sound of people speaking Spanish. But back on the subject

0:54:21.600 --> 0:54:25.840
<v Speaker 1>of his own life, Daniel says he doesn't still have

0:54:26.360 --> 0:54:28.400
<v Speaker 1>the Turner Diaries t shirt that he wore to that

0:54:28.520 --> 0:54:33.680
<v Speaker 1>meeting because his lady friend threw it away. He says

0:54:33.680 --> 0:54:36.160
<v Speaker 1>her name is Lisa, but he can't give her last

0:54:36.239 --> 0:54:39.799
<v Speaker 1>name because she's married. He's told that he can say

0:54:39.800 --> 0:54:42.280
<v Speaker 1>it off the record, but he does need to provide

0:54:42.280 --> 0:54:46.080
<v Speaker 1>it to the court. And then he backtracks. Actually, there

0:54:46.120 --> 0:54:50.120
<v Speaker 1>is no Lisa. Her name is Millie and she's not married.

0:54:50.160 --> 0:54:53.000
<v Speaker 1>But she has a boyfriend and they aren't having an affair.

0:54:53.280 --> 0:54:56.160
<v Speaker 1>Actually there's no relationship. She's just a little old lady

0:54:56.160 --> 0:54:58.759
<v Speaker 1>who lives next door and sometimes he helps her out

0:54:58.760 --> 0:55:03.080
<v Speaker 1>with repairs. She's more like a mother to him. Now,

0:55:03.200 --> 0:55:09.160
<v Speaker 1>Milly does exist. Lisa might exist too, but Milly definitely does.

0:55:10.000 --> 0:55:12.319
<v Speaker 1>Because I tracked down the property records of every house

0:55:12.360 --> 0:55:14.160
<v Speaker 1>on the block the Mayhon brothers were living on in

0:55:14.239 --> 0:55:18.319
<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety nine, and a woman named Mildred lived three

0:55:18.360 --> 0:55:22.319
<v Speaker 1>houses down from them. She was about twenty years their

0:55:22.400 --> 0:55:26.239
<v Speaker 1>senior back then, so the like a mother comment kind

0:55:26.280 --> 0:55:29.160
<v Speaker 1>of tracks but I don't think she was in his

0:55:29.239 --> 0:55:33.080
<v Speaker 1>bedroom throwing away his t shirts. This isn't a misremembered

0:55:33.160 --> 0:55:36.440
<v Speaker 1>date or a slip of the tongue. There's no rational

0:55:36.480 --> 0:55:41.200
<v Speaker 1>explanation for saying my secret married girlfriend Lisa if there

0:55:41.239 --> 0:55:43.319
<v Speaker 1>is no Lisa and you aren't having an affair, and

0:55:43.360 --> 0:55:45.680
<v Speaker 1>you actually met your elderly neighbor Mildred, who was like

0:55:45.719 --> 0:55:49.759
<v Speaker 1>a mother to you. He also claimed that he'd never

0:55:49.760 --> 0:55:52.240
<v Speaker 1>even read the Turner Diaries before he wore that shirt

0:55:52.280 --> 0:55:54.920
<v Speaker 1>to work in nineteen ninety nine, so he couldn't have

0:55:54.920 --> 0:55:57.240
<v Speaker 1>been sending any kind of message related to the content

0:55:57.280 --> 0:55:59.560
<v Speaker 1>of the book because he didn't know what the book

0:55:59.600 --> 0:56:02.160
<v Speaker 1>was about. And he only wore the shirt that day

0:56:02.200 --> 0:56:04.200
<v Speaker 1>at all because it was the only clean shirt he

0:56:04.200 --> 0:56:07.239
<v Speaker 1>could find that morning. And he swears he had no

0:56:07.360 --> 0:56:09.600
<v Speaker 1>idea when he got dressed that morning that there would

0:56:09.600 --> 0:56:12.319
<v Speaker 1>be a meeting that day with management about his pamphlets,

0:56:13.120 --> 0:56:17.680
<v Speaker 1>and he certainly didn't know was Hitler's birthday. I can't

0:56:17.760 --> 0:56:20.920
<v Speaker 1>prove that's not true, but it feels untrue in my heart.

0:56:22.719 --> 0:56:24.719
<v Speaker 1>It also struck me as odd that a man who

0:56:24.719 --> 0:56:27.200
<v Speaker 1>claims to have no real knowledge of or involvement in

0:56:27.200 --> 0:56:30.880
<v Speaker 1>the movement, who never even read the book and doesn't

0:56:30.880 --> 0:56:35.279
<v Speaker 1>even really know what National Alliance is, consistently refers to

0:56:35.280 --> 0:56:40.760
<v Speaker 1>William Luther Pierce as doctor Pierce. Now that's technically correct.

0:56:41.400 --> 0:56:45.000
<v Speaker 1>He had a pH d. He was a physicist, and

0:56:45.040 --> 0:56:48.080
<v Speaker 1>I often noticed that I do the same thing. I

0:56:48.280 --> 0:56:52.319
<v Speaker 1>call him doctor Pierce, and that's because most of the

0:56:52.360 --> 0:56:56.239
<v Speaker 1>material I consume about him was written by his acolytes.

0:56:56.760 --> 0:57:00.799
<v Speaker 1>Those are the people who call him doctor Pierce. But

0:57:00.880 --> 0:57:04.240
<v Speaker 1>Daniel says he never met doctor Pierce, but his brother

0:57:04.320 --> 0:57:09.000
<v Speaker 1>did once sometime in the mid eighties. And if that's true,

0:57:09.960 --> 0:57:13.240
<v Speaker 1>that means Dennis Mayhon had contact with William Luther Pearce

0:57:14.320 --> 0:57:18.200
<v Speaker 1>during his underground years, the years he claims he was

0:57:18.240 --> 0:57:22.800
<v Speaker 1>conducting a series of bombings. There were more than a

0:57:22.840 --> 0:57:25.760
<v Speaker 1>few times during that nine hour deposition that his mask

0:57:25.880 --> 0:57:30.400
<v Speaker 1>slips a little. He tries to maintain this righteous indignation

0:57:30.520 --> 0:57:33.280
<v Speaker 1>at the implication that he knows anything about the world

0:57:33.400 --> 0:57:36.400
<v Speaker 1>his brother lives in. You know, he loves his brother,

0:57:36.480 --> 0:57:38.360
<v Speaker 1>but they don't share the same views. He doesn't know

0:57:38.400 --> 0:57:42.360
<v Speaker 1>anything about that stuff. But when the attorney says that

0:57:42.480 --> 0:57:44.600
<v Speaker 1>Dennis used to be a grand wizard in the clan

0:57:45.480 --> 0:57:49.160
<v Speaker 1>Daniel's quick to correct him. It's an imperial wizard, not

0:57:49.240 --> 0:57:52.640
<v Speaker 1>a grand wizard. And when he's asked about the people

0:57:52.720 --> 0:57:57.080
<v Speaker 1>he chose to feature on his Caucasian Aviator's pamphlet, he

0:57:57.120 --> 0:58:01.440
<v Speaker 1>corrects the record and says, actually, they aren't all white,

0:58:02.040 --> 0:58:08.000
<v Speaker 1>because Aileen de Troux is quote mixed Mediterranean and French.

0:58:08.720 --> 0:58:11.520
<v Speaker 1>She's not what you would call aryan or a totally

0:58:11.560 --> 0:58:16.560
<v Speaker 1>white person. I tried to track down this woman's genealogy.

0:58:16.840 --> 0:58:20.040
<v Speaker 1>She appears to be thoroughly Flemish, so I don't know

0:58:20.040 --> 0:58:24.360
<v Speaker 1>what he's talking about here. But regardless of the possible

0:58:24.400 --> 0:58:28.440
<v Speaker 1>Mediterranean blood, that is a level of race science that

0:58:29.160 --> 0:58:30.640
<v Speaker 1>just isn't going to come out of the mouth of

0:58:30.680 --> 0:58:36.360
<v Speaker 1>a normal person. Daniel's lawsuit bounced around the courts for

0:58:36.720 --> 0:58:40.040
<v Speaker 1>five years. He was dismissed in two thousand and one,

0:58:40.160 --> 0:58:43.400
<v Speaker 1>just six months after they filed it. So they appealed

0:58:43.400 --> 0:58:47.120
<v Speaker 1>to the Tenth Circuit and it was dismissed again. A

0:58:47.200 --> 0:58:51.440
<v Speaker 1>later decision partially reversed the dismissal in two thousand and three,

0:58:51.920 --> 0:58:54.520
<v Speaker 1>and so it was remanded back to the lower court judge,

0:58:54.560 --> 0:58:57.000
<v Speaker 1>who again dismissed the case in two thousand and four,

0:58:57.360 --> 0:59:00.000
<v Speaker 1>so they filed a second appeal in two thousand and four.

0:59:00.640 --> 0:59:03.360
<v Speaker 1>And so in the months between this deposition in late

0:59:03.400 --> 0:59:05.760
<v Speaker 1>two thousand and three and when they filed the second

0:59:05.760 --> 0:59:09.440
<v Speaker 1>appeal in two thousand and four, that's the time period

0:59:09.520 --> 0:59:13.120
<v Speaker 1>during which Dennis Mayhon is building a bomb and mailing

0:59:13.200 --> 0:59:17.200
<v Speaker 1>it to the diversity office in Scottsdale, Arizona. And by

0:59:17.240 --> 0:59:19.680
<v Speaker 1>the time the case was finally dismissed for good in

0:59:19.680 --> 0:59:23.320
<v Speaker 1>two thousand and five, the Mayhon brothers were already very

0:59:23.320 --> 0:59:26.840
<v Speaker 1>close friends with the ATF informant who'd been assigned to

0:59:26.840 --> 0:59:30.520
<v Speaker 1>get them to confess to the bombing. When Daniel filed

0:59:30.520 --> 0:59:33.680
<v Speaker 1>for bankruptcy in two thousand and six, his petition shows

0:59:33.760 --> 0:59:37.040
<v Speaker 1>he was still working as an aircraft mechanic, but he

0:59:37.120 --> 0:59:39.720
<v Speaker 1>seemed to be having trouble keeping a job for very long,

0:59:40.200 --> 0:59:43.120
<v Speaker 1>because he lists five different employers from two thousand and

0:59:43.160 --> 0:59:47.040
<v Speaker 1>four to two thousand and six. I don't know why

0:59:47.080 --> 0:59:48.720
<v Speaker 1>I had it in my head that this was going

0:59:48.760 --> 0:59:51.960
<v Speaker 1>to be a quick, easy episode to shake off the

0:59:52.000 --> 0:59:55.960
<v Speaker 1>holiday Hayes. I thought I'd be in and out summarizing

0:59:56.000 --> 0:59:59.360
<v Speaker 1>a silly little lawsuit. But even my side stories have

0:59:59.400 --> 1:00:02.880
<v Speaker 1>side story, and I spent way too long reading white

1:00:02.920 --> 1:00:06.480
<v Speaker 1>power magazines from the nineties. I'll have to save some

1:00:06.600 --> 1:00:10.560
<v Speaker 1>of the odd tidbits that I passed over for another time.

1:00:11.400 --> 1:00:13.720
<v Speaker 1>It turns out the tangent I had to break out

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<v Speaker 1>into its own episode has tangents that might need their

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<v Speaker 1>own episodes. Daniel Mahon's attorney, Robert Fraser, was disbarred in

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and eight, who was allowed to resign from

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<v Speaker 1>the bar during an ongoing investigation into several grievances. Two

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<v Speaker 1>of them are pretty standard. He accepted payment from clients

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<v Speaker 1>and then failed to render any services. Unethical, but not crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>The third one was kind of troubling. He was representing

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<v Speaker 1>a mother in a child abuse case, and he concealed

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that he was at the time living in

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<v Speaker 1>his client's home, which made him a material witness to

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<v Speaker 1>the alleged child abuse. He was never charged with perjury,

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<v Speaker 1>but the judge in that case pretty unequivocally stated on

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<v Speaker 1>the record occurred that Fraser perjured himself when he was

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<v Speaker 1>asked directly about this. I know it's a little different

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<v Speaker 1>in every jurisdiction, but I was surprised that Fraser was

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<v Speaker 1>only disbarred in two thousand and eight, because by then

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<v Speaker 1>he had three convictions for domestic violence, one for simple assault,

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<v Speaker 1>he served time for contempt after walking out of a

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<v Speaker 1>hearing during a paternity lawsuit, and he was convicted of

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<v Speaker 1>a felony for registering to vote immediately after being convicted

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<v Speaker 1>of felony domestic violence. Most states would have had his

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<v Speaker 1>bar card after the first felony, surely after the second one, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and the timeline on this is kind of incredible. Fraser

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<v Speaker 1>showed up to oral argument at the Tenth Circuit Court

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<v Speaker 1>of Appeals in Daniel's case just days after bonding out

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<v Speaker 1>of the Tulsa County jail for beating his wife. I'd

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<v Speaker 1>also sketched out a section in my notes to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about a lawsuit that this story really reminded me of

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<v Speaker 1>a much more recent one. But I'm already running way

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<v Speaker 1>too long, and I'll have to save that two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and two lawsuit filed by an aircraft mechanic who said

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<v Speaker 1>United Airlines fired him for being white. For another time.

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<v Speaker 1>Not to spoil it, but he also did not get

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<v Speaker 1>fired for being white. It had a lot more to

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<v Speaker 1>do with his habit of referring to a black coworker

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<v Speaker 1>using the N word. So he didn't win that lawsuit obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>and his appeal ended up getting dismissed because the white

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<v Speaker 1>supremacist lawyer he hired forgot to file it. Now. In

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<v Speaker 1>his defense, he was very busy at the time. He

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<v Speaker 1>had just been charged with a felony, and unlike Robert Fraser,

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<v Speaker 1>he practices law in a state that does disbar attorneys

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<v Speaker 1>after their first felony. But funny enough, he doesn't seem

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<v Speaker 1>to have reported that to the bar association yet. But again,

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<v Speaker 1>the story for another day, because that one's not over yet.

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<v Speaker 1>And as for those Turner Diaries t shirts, I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>hundreds of people bought one out of Nazi magazines or

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<v Speaker 1>off a table at a gun show. They sold them

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<v Speaker 1>for years. But the only other story I could turn

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<v Speaker 1>up about a guy getting himself into hot water after

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<v Speaker 1>wearing one in public was a Navy seal. That man

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<v Speaker 1>has since changed his name and made quite a career

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<v Speaker 1>for himself as a relationship coach, offering dating advice to

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<v Speaker 1>his nearly half a million followers. You probably have no

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<v Speaker 1>idea who used to be Matt Hale's webmaster. After all,

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<v Speaker 1>that was a long time ago, back before Matt Hale

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<v Speaker 1>went to prison for soliciting the murder of a federal judge.

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