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Speaker 1: Cool Zone Media, Hello, and happy New Year, everybody. I

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Speaker 1: think twenty twenty five is going to be a banner

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Speaker 1: year for weird little guys, and I don't mean the

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Speaker 1: show Unfortunately. They're just making newer, weirder guys all the

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Speaker 1: time lately, and I can hardly keep up. And as

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Speaker 1: time marches on, I'm stuck in the past, connecting the

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Speaker 1: dots on decades old stories of the weird little guys

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Speaker 1: who came before the right wing terrorists of today. I

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Speaker 1: hope you're having a peaceful and cheerful holiday season, whatever

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Speaker 1: that looks like for you. I had every intention of

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Speaker 1: using that week of relative downtime to get caught up,

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Speaker 1: maybe even get ahead. It probably won't surprise you to

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Speaker 1: hear that absolutely did not happen. Something about the twinkle

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Speaker 1: of Christmas lights pulled me away from my maniacal sprawling

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Speaker 1: notes about Oklahoma City bombing conspiracy theories. I can't explain it,

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Speaker 1: And as I was chipping away at the next chapter

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Speaker 1: of Dennis Mayhon's life, I realized there was a strange

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Speaker 1: It just didn't fit in the narrative flow, and it

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Speaker 1: It certainly wouldn't be the first time, and I know

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Speaker 1: But then I remembered this is my show. I'm the

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Speaker 1: point has never been the point. We're on a journey here,

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Speaker 1: in Eloheim City and the bomb he mailed to a

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Speaker 1: But this week we're going on a side quest because

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Speaker 1: I just couldn't bear to cut the story of one

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Speaker 1: I'm Molly Conker and this is weird, Little guys. The

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Speaker 1: last few episodes have been about Dennis May. We've talked

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Speaker 1: about the first few decades of his life. He was

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Speaker 1: born in a small community in northern Illinois nineteen fifty.

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Speaker 1: He served in the army after high school and trained

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Speaker 1: I don't doubt that he was there, or that having

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Speaker 1: arrived in Miami that month. From there, Dennis disappeared for

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Speaker 1: in that respect. So there's ample record of where he was,

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Speaker 1: But all this time we've been talking about Dennis Mayhan,

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Speaker 1: the concept of employee resource groups. If you've ever worked

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Speaker 1: at their core, they allow employees who belong to a

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Speaker 1: And for the most part, these groups sound like something

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Speaker 1: Stokely Carmichael, and Shay Guevara. But Xerox's partnership with Fight

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Speaker 1: The Diversity Fair was an opportunity for every Employee Resource

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Speaker 1: The flyer was developed by individuals believed to have an

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Speaker 1: Nobody was in trouble. A line had been crossed. The

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Speaker 1: company made it clear where that line was, and everybody

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00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 1: was just going to take a beat to reflect on

431
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 1: the experience. But if there's one thing so many of

432
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 1: these weird little guys have in common, it's that they

433
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 1: absolutely do not know when to shut the fuck up.

434
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 1: The company made the decision at the end of March

435
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety nine to suspend the Caucasian Employee Resource Group

436
00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 1: just for six months, but it wasn't until the April twentieth,

437
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety nine meeting of the Caucasian ERG that some

438
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 1: members of management met with the group to explain this decision.

439
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 1: Daniel Mahon arrived at the meeting wearing a T shirt

440
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 1: printed with the picture of the cover of a book.

441
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 1: The cover depicts a man pointing a rifle and a

442
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 1: woman pointing a handgun. You can't see what they're aiming at,

443
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 1: but they both clearly have something in their sights above

444
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 1: their heads. The text reads The Turner Diaries. This book

445
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 1: comes up too often on this show. I never know

446
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 1: how thoroughly to rechhread this ground. But this could be

447
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: your first episode, and how confused must you be? Right now?

448
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 1: We're kind of in the middle of a longer story here,

449
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 1: But The Turner Diaries is a novel written by the

450
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 1: founder of the neo Nazi group National Alliance. After a

451
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 1: few years coming out in a serialized format and a

452
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 1: Nazi Now newsletter, it was published as a book in

453
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy eight and sold through the mail and ads

454
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: in Nazi newsletters and at gun shows and cross burnings.

455
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 1: The violence in the novel is fictional, of course, but

456
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 1: It's been the inspiration for many murderers and domestic terrorists.

457
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 1: When Robert Matthews formed the Order of the Nazi terrorist

458
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 1: group whose bank robberies financed paramilitary compounds, he borrowed the

459
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 1: name from the book. When Timothy McVeigh was arrested after

460
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,239
Speaker 1: the Oklahoma City bombing, he had the pages of his

461
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 1: favorite passages sitting on the seat in the car next

462
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 1: to him. When John William King chained James Byrd Junior

463
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 1: to the back of his truck moments before dragging him

464
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 1: to death in Texas in nineteen ninety eight, he joked

465
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 1: to his accomplices that we're starting the Turner Diaries early

466
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 1: because that's what happens in the Turner Diaries. The day

467
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 1: of the rope nationwide mass lynching of black people, Jewish people, journalists,

468
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 1: race traders. It's not a good book. It's not well written.

469
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 1: One online review of the book complains that despite all

470
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 1: the violence in this novel, there is much tedium meant

471
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 1: little conflict, But literary abomination or not, the book has

472
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 1: inspired murders all over the world for decades. And that's

473
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 1: the shirt that Daniel wore to the meeting about his

474
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 1: white pride pamphlets and that was the line. Apparently there

475
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 1: were more complaints. The initial decision to just suspend the

476
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:47,719
Speaker 1: group's activities obviously wasn't going to cut it. An investigation

477
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 1: was opened into the complaints about Daniel's workplace conduct, and

478
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 1: on May tenth, nineteen ninety nine, he was fired. The

479
00:32:56,680 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 1: termination letter says, in addition to other findings in the investigation,

480
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 1: wearing that shirt to the meeting created a racially hostile

481
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 1: work environment as a member of the Transport Workers Union.

482
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 1: He filed a grievance protesting the decision, and it was

483
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 1: ultimately appealed to the Board of Adjustment. In November of

484
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety nine, a full hearing was conducted, lasting three days.

485
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: Daniel Mahon has always claimed that he had no involvement

486
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 1: in his brother's activities. At the hearing, the company produced

487
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 1: as evidence a clan newsletter naming Daniel m of Tulsa

488
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 1: as White Patriot of the Month, quote for his tremendous

489
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 1: efforts in financial support of the struggle, and thanking him

490
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 1: for his help setting up the cross at a cross

491
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 1: burning event. He also provided the tent, the sound system,

492
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 1: and the portable generator. The newsletter goes on to describe

493
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 1: his large collection of Clan and National Socialist white power

494
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 1: merchandise and praise him for supplying many white power groups

495
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 1: with T shirts over the years. He would ultimately admit

496
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:10,839
Speaker 1: that yes, he is Daniel M of Tulsa, but he

497
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 1: really downplayed the praise that's being heaped upon him here.

498
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 1: He was just helping his brother out. He wasn't at

499
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,399
Speaker 1: the cross burning. He just gave his brother a ride there.

500
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: The company called an expert witness to present evidence of

501
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 1: the Mayhun Brothers white supremacist activities, including that clan newsletter

502
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:33,959
Speaker 1: naming Daniel White Patriot of the Month. The expert also

503
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 1: explained the significance of the language and the capitalization used

504
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 1: in the flyer. The board's opinion doesn't name this expert witness,

505
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 1: but I'm willing to risk five dollars betting that it

506
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 1: was Daniel Levatas if I'd managed my time better this week,

507
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 1: I would have written and asked him. But that's my guess.

508
00:34:56,360 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 1: Over the course of three days, witness after witness was called,

509
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 1: and the official reason for the termination had been the

510
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 1: incident with the Turner Diary's T shirt, but it came

511
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 1: out in this hearing that this was far from the

512
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 1: first time Daniel Mayhon's white supremacist ties had caused friction

513
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 1: at work. His supervisor testified that on Daniel's very first

514
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:24,839
Speaker 1: day at American Airlines back in nineteen eighty six, he'd

515
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 1: been complaining loudly about Jews and n words. Two other

516
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 1: supervisors testified about two separate incidents where they'd warned him

517
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 1: not to bring clan or white Airan resistance materials to work.

518
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 1: There had been another complaint about him wearing a KKK

519
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 1: hat and belt buckle. Multiple employees had complained about a

520
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:51,720
Speaker 1: KKK knife. A supervisor who worked nights as a security

521
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:53,919
Speaker 1: guard had been assigned a shift to a local gun

522
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 1: show where he saw Daniel Mahon selling merchandise at the

523
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 1: Aryan Nations booth. The supervisor testified that Daniel called him

524
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 1: over and tried to give him an Arian Nation's T shirt,

525
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 1: but he declined. The same supervisor testified that Daniel had

526
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 1: invited him over to his house one night and showed

527
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 1: him a racially violent movie and tried to give him

528
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 1: white supremacist texts. A Walgreens cashier testified that some time

529
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 1: after Daniel's termination. The brothers came into the drug store

530
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 1: to drop off some film to be developed, and a

531
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: visibly intoxicated Dennis Mayhon was shouting about how if American

532
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,839
Speaker 1: Airlines didn't give his brother his job back, they were

533
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 1: going to see the biggest bomb they ever had. The

534
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 1: expert offered evidence that Daniel's grievance with the company was

535
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 1: a subject of significant discussion and fundraising in white supremacist

536
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 1: newsletters and broadcasts, which undermines his claim that he had

537
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:59,240
Speaker 1: no connection to those groups. Daniel Mayhon's union representative advised

538
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 1: him not to test on his own behalf, but they

539
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,360
Speaker 1: did put on several witnesses who testified that he was

540
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 1: a model employee, that he had been kind to them,

541
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 1: or that they personally had not been offended by the flyers.

542
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 1: Linda Dill and Craig Nichols, the employees who actually led

543
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 1: the Caucasian Employee Resource Group, testified that it was not

544
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 1: true that Daniel had explicitly told the group that his

545
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 1: brother would help him make the flyers. The board was unconvinced,

546
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 1: writing in their final opinion in March of two thousand,

547
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 1: clearly he holds white supremacist beliefs and has ties to

548
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 1: and involvement in such organizations. The opinion is clear that

549
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 1: he can't be and isn't being disciplined for his brother's

550
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 1: conduct or even for his own conduct outside of work.

551
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 1: But this background reflects unfavorably on the underlying intent of

552
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 1: the flyers and the decision to wear the Turner diary

553
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 1: shirt to work. Their summary of the evidence concludes by saying,

554
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: the fact that he was technically proficient and nice to

555
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 1: some people doesn't outweigh all the other evidence, nor is

556
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,760
Speaker 1: it directly related to the specific nature of his conduct

557
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 1: in this case. The decision to uphold the termination was

558
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 1: two to one. Arbitrator Gil Vernon, an American Airlines employee,

559
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 1: Mary Tinsman, agreed with J. C. Brown dissenting. I struggled

560
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:30,919
Speaker 1: to pin down who j. C. Brown might have been,

561
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 1: but Gil Vernon is kind of a big deal in

562
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 1: the world of union arbitration anyway. In nineteen ninety six,

563
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 1: President Clinton appointed him to a commission to help resolve

564
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 1: a National Railroad labor dispute. President Obama appointed him to

565
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:51,800
Speaker 1: a similar body in twenty eleven. He's an arbitrator for

566
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 1: Major League Baseball. He was the president of the National

567
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 1: Academy of Arbitrators in twenty ten. And he has also

568
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 1: bond Vere's dad. Well, his son is justin Vernon, the

569
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 1: frontman of the indie folk band. So next time you

570
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 1: hear a Bonnie Vere song, I guess you can think

571
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 1: about the time his dad wrote this about a racist.

572
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 1: His message was subtle, but in clearly resonant tones, rang

573
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 1: true only to the sad song of racial superiority. Clever

574
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 1: equivocation and veiled threats are part and parcel of the

575
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 1: grievance ilk and he can't hide behind cleverness at the

576
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,720
Speaker 1: expense of the security, dignity, and respect of other workers

577
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 1: who do not share his race or ethnicity, or his

578
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 1: attitudes about racial nobility. Much is debated in this record, However,

579
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 1: in the final analysis, something must be said, in plain

580
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 1: and simple terms.

581
00:39:46,920 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 2: At the root of Grievan's conduct was hate.

582
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:07,839
Speaker 1: Daniel Mayhon spend the next several months trying to find

583
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,799
Speaker 1: a lawyer. He sent a letter to the law firm

584
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:14,399
Speaker 1: of former Oklahoma Attorney General Mike Chirpin, but the firm

585
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:16,879
Speaker 1: turned the case down without even agreeing to meet with him.

586
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:21,360
Speaker 1: He consulted with his friend Jean, but Jean wasn't interested

587
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 1: in the case. Gene in this case is a Tulsa

588
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 1: area bankruptcy attorney named Francis Eugene Huff. Daniel describes him

589
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 1: as a conservative type person and a real nice guy,

590
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 1: and they'd been friends for about nine years by the

591
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 1: time he was deposed in two thousand and three. He

592
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 1: doesn't offer up any other facts about Gene, like that

593
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:46,360
Speaker 1: he was a member of the Council of Conservative Citizens,

594
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:48,479
Speaker 1: or the fact that he may have been too busy

595
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 1: to take Daniel's case back then because he was in

596
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 1: the middle of representing the Council of Conservative Citizens in

597
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 1: their lawsuits regarding Confederate flags on public property. The questioning

598
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 1: about Huff leave me with the impression that the lawyer

599
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 1: asking the questions did not believe Daniel when he said

600
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 1: that Gene Huff never helped him with his case. Sometime

601
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 1: in the summer of two thousand so, after the arbitrator

602
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 1: upheld his termination and before he filed his federal lawsuit,

603
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 1: Daniel Mayhon sent a letter to the ACLU asking them

604
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 1: to take his case. The letter doesn't read like it

605
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,879
Speaker 1: was written by Daniel Mayhon, and I don't just mean

606
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 1: diction and spelling, Although those may be dead giveaways. The

607
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 1: real tip off is a handwritten note in the margin

608
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 1: of the letter that says, Gene, should you print Daniel

609
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 1: Mayhon in place of I. So what it sounds like

610
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:51,240
Speaker 1: is that Jane wrote the letter pretending to be Daniel,

611
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 1: and when Daniel read it, he didn't understand that, and

612
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 1: so he was asking why the letter was written in

613
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 1: the first person, as though he had written it himself,

614
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 1: And for some reason he mailed the letter to the

615
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 1: ACLU like that. He didn't get another copy of it

616
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 1: without that strange note in the margin. The letter is

617
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 1: also written in cursive that doesn't match the style of

618
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 1: cursive in Daniel's signature, and then towards the end of

619
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:24,439
Speaker 1: the letter it abruptly switches to print that does more

620
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 1: closely match his handwriting. Under oath, he says he wrote

621
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 1: it himself and that Gene didn't help him. The letter

622
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:36,800
Speaker 1: itself isn't reproduced in the court record that I could find,

623
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 1: but it appears to have been riddled with false claims.

624
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 1: The local ACLU was already very familiar with Daniel Mayhon's

625
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 1: brother Dennis. They'd represented him a decade earlier in his

626
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 1: lawsuit against Kansas City over the Klan's public access TV show,

627
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 1: and it sounds like Daniel was doing his best to

628
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 1: try to convince the ACLU that his firing had been

629
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 1: a grave injustice, because not only was he nothing like

630
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 1: his brother, but his brother wasn't even really so bad.

631
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 1: He would later claim that Dennis only got deported from

632
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 1: Canada nineteen ninety three because he was carrying a book

633
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 1: by an English author that was illegal in Canada, which

634
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 1: is almost certainly a reference to Holocaust denied David Irving,

635
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 1: who had himself been banned from Canada in nineteen ninety two.

636
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 1: Daniel neglects to mention that the Canadian government was concerned

637
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:35,959
Speaker 1: that Dennis would incite violence at a Nazi rally during

638
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:40,320
Speaker 1: his visit. The violence at that Nazi rally happened anyway,

639
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 1: but Dennis wasn't there. As for Dennis's trip to Germany,

640
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:48,840
Speaker 1: his brother says Dennis didn't even do any Nazi stuff there.

641
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:52,799
Speaker 1: He just went to an old church to lay some flowers.

642
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 1: But it seems like the ACLU wasn't interested in going

643
00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:00,720
Speaker 1: to bat for another Mahon because they didn't take the case.

644
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 1: The lawyer he ended up hiring to represent him was

645
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:08,240
Speaker 1: a man named Robert Eugene Fraser the third, and Fraser

646
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 1: was young. He'd only just passed the bar in nineteen

647
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 1: ninety nine, the year before he met Daniel in the

648
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 1: summer of two thousand. Daniel says they met when Fraser

649
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,439
Speaker 1: answered a classified ad in the newspaper about a boat

650
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 1: he was selling. Fraser came to look at the boat.

651
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 1: The men got to talking. Daniel found out he was

652
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:30,360
Speaker 1: a lawyer, and he agreed to take the case. Daniel

653
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 1: would claim in that deposition that Dennis had left the

654
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 1: clan for good in nineteen ninety because Daniel gave him

655
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:40,799
Speaker 1: an ultimatum. Hey said he didn't want that stuff going

656
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 1: on in his house, which is where his brother lived.

657
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 1: He outright says that he's actually responsible for getting his

658
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 1: brother out of hate group organizing. But when he's pressed

659
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:56,720
Speaker 1: on this, he can't explain, why then, does his brother

660
00:44:56,840 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 1: still live with him now ten years later, and that

661
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 1: kind of stuff was very much still going on in

662
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 1: his house. The brothers both got their mail of the

663
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 1: same po box, the one Dennis used for his white

664
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 1: power newsletters. The phone line at the house they shared

665
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 1: was the same one Dennis used to run his dial

666
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 1: a racist hot line. In this deposition in two thousand three,

667
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 1: Daniel claims Dennis hasn't been involved with White Arian Resistance

668
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 1: since nineteen ninety five, and then he hasn't really been

669
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:35,319
Speaker 1: involved in anything in years. That's just not true. He

670
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 1: should have been charged with perjury for that, because just

671
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 1: a few weeks before he sat down to answer these questions,

672
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:46,400
Speaker 1: his twin brother was in the news in Arizona. Residents

673
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 1: of Mesa had received a flurry of racist flyers, and

674
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 1: Dennis has quoted in the paper about it, and the

675
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:57,319
Speaker 1: Arizona Republic describes him as the state wide director of

676
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 1: White Arian Resistance. In two thousand and one, when Dennis

677
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 1: announced that he was moving to Arizona, Governor Jane Hull

678
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 1: asked residents to wear a green ribbon to show their

679
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:15,959
Speaker 1: opposition to Dennis, like to Dennis personally. The newspaper quite

680
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:20,399
Speaker 1: literally says quote Governor Jane Hull wants Arizonans to wear

681
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 1: a green ribbon to show unity against Dennis Mayhon, leader

682
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 1: of the White Arian Resistance supremacist group. The headline is

683
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 1: go away, mister Mayhon, you can't look a court reporter

684
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 1: in her eyes and say, your brother hasn't been involved

685
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:40,319
Speaker 1: in racist stuff for years when the actual governor of

686
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 1: a whole state is denouncing him by name like that.

687
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 1: The deposition transcript is a perplexing document. Like I said,

688
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 1: it's the most information I have about Daniel, straight from

689
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 1: his own mouth under oath, but it's riddled with statements

690
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 1: I know aren't true, either because I have a better

691
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 1: source that contradicts him, or because it simply can't be

692
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 1: true due to reality. Now I won't say he's lying,

693
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:17,800
Speaker 1: because I just did before, but lying under oath is

694
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 1: called perjury, and it's a crime when he hasn't been

695
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 1: convicted of a crime. But not everything he said was true,

696
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 1: and that's a fact I now. Some of it is

697
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 1: just dates. He says he married his wife, Myrna, in

698
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy nine, but the marriage licenses nineteen seventy eight. Okay,

699
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 1: a lot of men don't know their anniversary. But he

700
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:45,360
Speaker 1: also consistently refers to Myrna as his wife in the

701
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 1: present tense. But by two thousand and three they'd been

702
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:54,360
Speaker 1: divorced for nineteen years. They split in nineteen eighty four,

703
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:59,800
Speaker 1: and she had since remarried At least twice, and several

704
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 1: times during the proceeding he brings up Mirna's race. They

705
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 1: met when he was in the Navy and he was

706
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 1: stationed in the Philippines, And would a man who is

707
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 1: racist mary a Filipino woman. The answer to that is yes, obviously,

708
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 1: of course he could. It happens all the time. There's

709
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:24,400
Speaker 1: no shortage of white supremacist men with Asian Pacific islander

710
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:28,880
Speaker 1: or Hispanic wives. I once got an elaborate death threat

711
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 1: from a fairly prominent neo Nazi who uses his Latina

712
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 1: wife's name on paperwork for his small business so he

713
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 1: can claim it's a women and minority owned business. It

714
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 1: happens a lot, but a lot of his answers are muddled,

715
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 1: dates that aren't possible, locations that don't match, the kinds

716
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 1: of mistakes you could chalk up to a hazy memory.

717
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:55,840
Speaker 1: He recollects the time the Secret Service came to his

718
00:48:55,880 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 1: house to talk to Dennis about pissing on Air Force one.

719
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 1: The plane was apparently parked in a Boeing hangar in Wichita,

720
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 1: where Dennis was working at the time, and he apparently

721
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:12,799
Speaker 1: entered the plane and relieved himself on the president's chair.

722
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 1: The deposition transcript describes this as having taken place in

723
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 1: the spring of nineteen ninety nine. I think that may

724
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:26,799
Speaker 1: be a transcriptionist typographical error, because it has to be

725
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:31,320
Speaker 1: eighty nine. Daniel recalls that it was around two years

726
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 1: after he and his wife separated, but that's not quite

727
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:39,240
Speaker 1: right either. They separated in eighty four, and the president

728
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 1: in question was George Bush. We've had two president Bushes,

729
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 1: and Daniel occasionally claims that he and Myrna at some

730
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 1: point got back together. I don't know if that's true,

731
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 1: but even if it is, none of these combinations of

732
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:55,880
Speaker 1: facts produced the possibility for all of these things to

733
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 1: have been true at the same time. Based on the

734
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 1: description of the plane being in Wichita and Dennis being

735
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 1: employed by an airline called Braniff at the time, it

736
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:09,800
Speaker 1: could only have been nineteen eighty nine. That's the only

737
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 1: point in time during which Branef Airlines operated at the

738
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:18,479
Speaker 1: Wichita airport, and we had a president named Bush. Whether

739
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 1: Dennis actually pissed on Air Force one is anybody's guests,

740
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:26,319
Speaker 1: but I don't doubt that he told people he did.

741
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:29,799
Speaker 1: He wrote in his own clan newsletter in nineteen ninety one,

742
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 1: that he'd urinated on a memorial to Holocaust victims when

743
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 1: he visited a concentration camp in Germany, and other important

744
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 1: dates in his brother's life are similarly confused in Daniel's testimony.

745
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 1: We know. Dennis himself has said that his racial awakening

746
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 1: was in Florida in May of nineteen eighty. When Matthew

747
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:56,400
Speaker 1: Kennard interviewed him for his book about white supremacists in

748
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:59,919
Speaker 1: the military, he was very clear that his National Guard

749
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 1: unit had been deployed that month to assist in transporting

750
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:07,799
Speaker 1: Cuban asylum seekers to processing and detention centers. But that

751
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:10,279
Speaker 1: wasn't the only thing going on in Miami in May

752
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 1: of nineteen eighty. Dennis's unit was deployed on May third,

753
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:20,240
Speaker 1: we know that, But two weeks later, the National Guard

754
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 1: was deployed again, this time to put down the Miami riots.

755
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:28,720
Speaker 1: I think sometimes this pair of events gets muddled together.

756
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 1: It certainly did for Daniel, But the riots had very

757
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 1: little to do with the thousands of Cubans arriving by boat.

758
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 1: On May seventeenth, nineteen eighty, an all white male jury

759
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 1: returned not guilty verdicts for all four of the Miami

760
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:48,359
Speaker 1: police officers who had beaten Arthur mc duffie to death

761
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:52,840
Speaker 1: a year earlier. McDuffie had been a United States Marine,

762
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:55,719
Speaker 1: but more importantly, in the eyes of the officers who

763
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:58,439
Speaker 1: shattered his skull, he was a thirty three year old

764
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 1: black man. Three days of rioting followed the verdict. Eighteen

765
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:08,320
Speaker 1: people died. On the second day of the riot, the

766
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 1: National Guard was sent in. I honestly couldn't tell you

767
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:15,880
Speaker 1: if the units deployed to transport Cuban asylum seekers starting

768
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:18,920
Speaker 1: on May third were the same men deployed to the

769
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:22,399
Speaker 1: riots on May eighteenth. I can't find any specifics about that.

770
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:26,279
Speaker 1: I know the National Guard was transporting those people for

771
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 1: a longer period of time than that, but I don't

772
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 1: I don't know. Denis never mentioned the riots though when

773
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:36,400
Speaker 1: he spoke to Kennar at about that time in his life.

774
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 1: But Daniel is adamant that it was the Miami riots

775
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 1: that changed his brother that month, describing him as having

776
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:45,920
Speaker 1: been right in the thick of it and that it

777
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:51,240
Speaker 1: was a pretty bloody situation. He's mistaken about the dates again.

778
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:54,800
Speaker 1: He says it was May third, and he says eighteen

779
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 1: people died the first night, but he's so specific about it.

780
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 1: He says that Dennis had to use his rifle on

781
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:05,359
Speaker 1: a civilian and that the police officer next to him

782
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 1: had a heart attack and died. A Miami Police Department

783
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:13,799
Speaker 1: after action report confirms at least some of this is

784
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:17,319
Speaker 1: based in fact. On the afternoon of the second day

785
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 1: of the riots, so May eighteenth, Miami Police officer Lieutenant

786
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 1: Edward McDermott was escorting National Guard troops when he suffered

787
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:30,280
Speaker 1: a massive heart attack and died. The report doesn't include

788
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:33,800
Speaker 1: any mention of National guardsmen firing their weapons. It only

789
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:38,799
Speaker 1: outlines the occasions on which Miami police officers did, but

790
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 1: that's because the report is by the Miami Police Department.

791
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 1: I think any information about whether guardsmen had fired their

792
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:48,880
Speaker 1: weapons would be in a report by the National Guard.

793
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:52,280
Speaker 1: I was unable to confirm whether or not any National

794
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 1: guardsman shot a civilian during the riots. But ultimately I

795
00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:00,880
Speaker 1: think what happened here is that Daniel thought he was

796
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:03,759
Speaker 1: telling the truth, and it was Dennis who lied to

797
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 1: his brother, because telling people that you became racist because

798
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:10,799
Speaker 1: you killed a man in a race riot sounds more

799
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 1: impressive than the truth, which is that he was a

800
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 1: glorified bus driver for a week, and he hates the

801
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:21,600
Speaker 1: sound of people speaking Spanish. But back on the subject

802
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:25,840
Speaker 1: of his own life, Daniel says he doesn't still have

803
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:28,400
Speaker 1: the Turner Diaries t shirt that he wore to that

804
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 1: meeting because his lady friend threw it away. He says

805
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 1: her name is Lisa, but he can't give her last

806
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:39,799
Speaker 1: name because she's married. He's told that he can say

807
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:42,280
Speaker 1: it off the record, but he does need to provide

808
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 1: it to the court. And then he backtracks. Actually, there

809
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 1: is no Lisa. Her name is Millie and she's not married.

810
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 1: But she has a boyfriend and they aren't having an affair.

811
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 1: Actually there's no relationship. She's just a little old lady

812
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:58,759
Speaker 1: who lives next door and sometimes he helps her out

813
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 1: with repairs. She's more like a mother to him. Now,

814
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 1: Milly does exist. Lisa might exist too, but Milly definitely does.

815
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:12,319
Speaker 1: Because I tracked down the property records of every house

816
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 1: on the block the Mayhon brothers were living on in

817
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:18,319
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety nine, and a woman named Mildred lived three

818
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:22,319
Speaker 1: houses down from them. She was about twenty years their

819
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:26,239
Speaker 1: senior back then, so the like a mother comment kind

820
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 1: of tracks but I don't think she was in his

821
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 1: bedroom throwing away his t shirts. This isn't a misremembered

822
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:36,440
Speaker 1: date or a slip of the tongue. There's no rational

823
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:41,200
Speaker 1: explanation for saying my secret married girlfriend Lisa if there

824
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:43,319
Speaker 1: is no Lisa and you aren't having an affair, and

825
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 1: you actually met your elderly neighbor Mildred, who was like

826
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:49,759
Speaker 1: a mother to you. He also claimed that he'd never

827
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:52,240
Speaker 1: even read the Turner Diaries before he wore that shirt

828
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:54,920
Speaker 1: to work in nineteen ninety nine, so he couldn't have

829
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:57,240
Speaker 1: been sending any kind of message related to the content

830
00:55:57,280 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 1: of the book because he didn't know what the book

831
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 1: was about. And he only wore the shirt that day

832
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 1: at all because it was the only clean shirt he

833
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:07,239
Speaker 1: could find that morning. And he swears he had no

834
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:09,600
Speaker 1: idea when he got dressed that morning that there would

835
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:12,319
Speaker 1: be a meeting that day with management about his pamphlets,

836
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 1: and he certainly didn't know was Hitler's birthday. I can't

837
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 1: prove that's not true, but it feels untrue in my heart.

838
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:24,719
Speaker 1: It also struck me as odd that a man who

839
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:27,200
Speaker 1: claims to have no real knowledge of or involvement in

840
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:30,880
Speaker 1: the movement, who never even read the book and doesn't

841
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:35,279
Speaker 1: even really know what National Alliance is, consistently refers to

842
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:40,760
Speaker 1: William Luther Pierce as doctor Pierce. Now that's technically correct.

843
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:45,000
Speaker 1: He had a pH d. He was a physicist, and

844
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 1: I often noticed that I do the same thing. I

845
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:52,319
Speaker 1: call him doctor Pierce, and that's because most of the

846
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:56,239
Speaker 1: material I consume about him was written by his acolytes.

847
00:56:56,760 --> 00:57:00,799
Speaker 1: Those are the people who call him doctor Pierce. But

848
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:04,240
Speaker 1: Daniel says he never met doctor Pierce, but his brother

849
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:09,000
Speaker 1: did once sometime in the mid eighties. And if that's true,

850
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:13,240
Speaker 1: that means Dennis Mayhon had contact with William Luther Pearce

851
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 1: during his underground years, the years he claims he was

852
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 1: conducting a series of bombings. There were more than a

853
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:25,760
Speaker 1: few times during that nine hour deposition that his mask

854
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:30,400
Speaker 1: slips a little. He tries to maintain this righteous indignation

855
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:33,280
Speaker 1: at the implication that he knows anything about the world

856
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:36,400
Speaker 1: his brother lives in. You know, he loves his brother,

857
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:38,360
Speaker 1: but they don't share the same views. He doesn't know

858
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Speaker 1: Dennis used to be a grand wizard in the clan

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Speaker 1: Daniel's quick to correct him. It's an imperial wizard, not

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Speaker 1: a grand wizard. And when he's asked about the people

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Speaker 1: he chose to feature on his Caucasian Aviator's pamphlet, he

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Speaker 1: corrects the record and says, actually, they aren't all white,

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Speaker 1: because Aileen de Troux is quote mixed Mediterranean and French.

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Speaker 1: She's not what you would call aryan or a totally

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Speaker 1: white person. I tried to track down this woman's genealogy.

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Speaker 1: She appears to be thoroughly Flemish, so I don't know

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Speaker 1: what he's talking about here. But regardless of the possible

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Speaker 1: Mediterranean blood, that is a level of race science that

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Speaker 1: just isn't going to come out of the mouth of

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Speaker 1: a normal person. Daniel's lawsuit bounced around the courts for

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Speaker 1: five years. He was dismissed in two thousand and one,

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Speaker 1: just six months after they filed it. So they appealed

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Speaker 1: to the Tenth Circuit and it was dismissed again. A

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Speaker 1: later decision partially reversed the dismissal in two thousand and three,

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Speaker 1: and so it was remanded back to the lower court judge,

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Speaker 1: who again dismissed the case in two thousand and four,

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Speaker 1: so they filed a second appeal in two thousand and four.

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Speaker 1: And so in the months between this deposition in late

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Speaker 1: two thousand and three and when they filed the second

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Speaker 1: appeal in two thousand and four, that's the time period

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Speaker 1: during which Dennis Mayhon is building a bomb and mailing

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Speaker 1: it to the diversity office in Scottsdale, Arizona. And by

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Speaker 1: the time the case was finally dismissed for good in

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Speaker 1: two thousand and five, the Mayhon brothers were already very

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Speaker 1: close friends with the ATF informant who'd been assigned to

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Speaker 1: get them to confess to the bombing. When Daniel filed

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Speaker 1: for bankruptcy in two thousand and six, his petition shows

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Speaker 1: he was still working as an aircraft mechanic, but he

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Speaker 1: seemed to be having trouble keeping a job for very long,

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Speaker 1: because he lists five different employers from two thousand and

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Speaker 1: four to two thousand and six. I don't know why

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Speaker 1: I had it in my head that this was going

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Speaker 1: to be a quick, easy episode to shake off the

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Speaker 1: holiday Hayes. I thought I'd be in and out summarizing

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Speaker 1: a silly little lawsuit. But even my side stories have

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Speaker 1: side story, and I spent way too long reading white

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Speaker 1: power magazines from the nineties. I'll have to save some

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Speaker 1: of the odd tidbits that I passed over for another time.

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Speaker 1: It turns out the tangent I had to break out

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Speaker 1: into its own episode has tangents that might need their

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Speaker 1: own episodes. Daniel Mahon's attorney, Robert Fraser, was disbarred in

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Speaker 1: two thousand and eight, who was allowed to resign from

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Speaker 1: the bar during an ongoing investigation into several grievances. Two

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Speaker 1: of them are pretty standard. He accepted payment from clients

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Speaker 1: and then failed to render any services. Unethical, but not crazy.

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Speaker 1: The third one was kind of troubling. He was representing

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Speaker 1: a mother in a child abuse case, and he concealed

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Speaker 1: the fact that he was at the time living in

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Speaker 1: his client's home, which made him a material witness to

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Speaker 1: the alleged child abuse. He was never charged with perjury,

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Speaker 1: but the judge in that case pretty unequivocally stated on

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Speaker 1: the record occurred that Fraser perjured himself when he was

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Speaker 1: asked directly about this. I know it's a little different

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Speaker 1: in every jurisdiction, but I was surprised that Fraser was

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Speaker 1: only disbarred in two thousand and eight, because by then

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Speaker 1: he had three convictions for domestic violence, one for simple assault,

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Speaker 1: he served time for contempt after walking out of a

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Speaker 1: hearing during a paternity lawsuit, and he was convicted of

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Speaker 1: a felony for registering to vote immediately after being convicted

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Speaker 1: of felony domestic violence. Most states would have had his

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Speaker 1: bar card after the first felony, surely after the second one, right,

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Speaker 1: and the timeline on this is kind of incredible. Fraser

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Speaker 1: showed up to oral argument at the Tenth Circuit Court

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Speaker 1: of Appeals in Daniel's case just days after bonding out

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Speaker 1: of the Tulsa County jail for beating his wife. I'd

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Speaker 1: also sketched out a section in my notes to talk

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Speaker 1: about a lawsuit that this story really reminded me of

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Speaker 1: a much more recent one. But I'm already running way

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Speaker 1: too long, and I'll have to save that two thousand

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Speaker 1: and two lawsuit filed by an aircraft mechanic who said

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Speaker 1: United Airlines fired him for being white. For another time.

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Speaker 1: Not to spoil it, but he also did not get

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Speaker 1: fired for being white. It had a lot more to

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Speaker 1: do with his habit of referring to a black coworker

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Speaker 1: using the N word. So he didn't win that lawsuit obviously,

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Speaker 1: and his appeal ended up getting dismissed because the white

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Speaker 1: supremacist lawyer he hired forgot to file it. Now. In

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Speaker 1: his defense, he was very busy at the time. He

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Speaker 1: had just been charged with a felony, and unlike Robert Fraser,

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Speaker 1: he practices law in a state that does disbar attorneys

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Speaker 1: after their first felony. But funny enough, he doesn't seem

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Speaker 1: to have reported that to the bar association yet. But again,

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Speaker 1: the story for another day, because that one's not over yet.

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Speaker 1: And as for those Turner Diaries t shirts, I'm sure

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Speaker 1: hundreds of people bought one out of Nazi magazines or

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Speaker 1: off a table at a gun show. They sold them

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Speaker 1: for years. But the only other story I could turn

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Speaker 1: up about a guy getting himself into hot water after

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Speaker 1: wearing one in public was a Navy seal. That man

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Speaker 1: has since changed his name and made quite a career

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Speaker 1: for himself as a relationship coach, offering dating advice to

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Speaker 1: his nearly half a million followers. You probably have no

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Speaker 1: idea who used to be Matt Hale's webmaster. After all,

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Speaker 1: that was a long time ago, back before Matt Hale

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Speaker 1: went to prison for soliciting the murder of a federal judge.

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Speaker 1: Wee Little Guys as a production of Cool Zone Media

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Speaker 1: and iHeartRadio. It's research, written and recorded by me Whiley Conger.

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Speaker 1: Special thanks this week goes to Wikipedia editor Tulsa politics fan.

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Speaker 1: I thought I was losing my mind when I googled

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Speaker 1: the subject of the show when I saw that the

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Speaker 1: record had been updated to reflect my ongoing research. Our

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Speaker 1: executive producers are Sophie Legerman and Robert Evans. The show

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Speaker 1: is edited by the wildly talented Rory Gagan. The theme

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Speaker 1: music was composed by Brad Diggert. You can email me

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Speaker 1: at weard Little Guys podcast at gmail dot com. I

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Speaker 1: will definitely read it, but I won't answer it. It's

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Speaker 1: nothing personal. You can exchange conspiracy theories about the show

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Speaker 1: don't post anything that's going to make you are my

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