1 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:20,280 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace and incredible boy, an incredible boy. 2 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:23,800 Speaker 1: You know. I call my son John David my wonder boy. 3 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: I call my little girl angel girl because that's what 4 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: they are to me, A wonder boy and an angel girl. 5 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 1: Now true, they're almost fourteen now, but they're a boy 6 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 1: and a girl to me. That's how I'm gonna probably 7 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 1: always see them. I've got a father with me right now. 8 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 1: It sees his twenty one year old son Jason as 9 00:00:52,280 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 1: his wonder boy, and I want to find him. Crime 10 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace. Twenty one year old Jason Landry 11 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 1: was driving home from San Marcus to visit his parents 12 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:19,320 Speaker 1: in the Houston area on the night of December thirteenth, 13 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:23,400 Speaker 1: a trip that was mysteriously cut short. The Caldwell County 14 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 1: Sheriff's Office says a volunteer firefighter found Landry's abandoned car 15 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:31,479 Speaker 1: on Salt Flat Road in Luling. Investigators trying to find 16 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:34,759 Speaker 1: a Texas State University student after they found his car 17 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:39,119 Speaker 1: crash near Luling just after midnight last night. Loved one 18 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 1: say Jason Landry was on his way to the Houston 19 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 1: area for the holidays, but did not make it home. 20 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 1: Now they're hoping someone finds him. My hope as well. 21 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 1: How do you have a crash car and you're not 22 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 1: in it? How does that happen? Where is twenty one 23 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:02,919 Speaker 1: year old Jason Landry with me an all star panel 24 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 1: to try to make sense of this seemingly senseless situation. 25 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 1: Doctor Angela Arnold, renowned psychiatrists, joining me out of Atlanta. 26 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 1: You can find her at Angela Arnold MD dot com. 27 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:18,119 Speaker 1: High profile lawyer joining me out of Atlanta as well. 28 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 1: Randy Kessler, Emory Law Professor, author of Divorce, Protect Yourself, 29 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 1: your Kids, in your Future, and you can find Randy 30 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 1: at k S Family Law dot com. No stranger to 31 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 1: a courtroom Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of Blood 32 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:39,240 Speaker 1: Beneath My Feet on Amazon, star of a brand new 33 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 1: hit series on True Crime Network, Poisonous Liaison Death Investigator. 34 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:51,359 Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan, Senior Digital Forensic Examiner, Counterintelligence President, CEO 35 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 1: of National Digital Forensics Wow. Giovanni Masucci is with us 36 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 1: Special Guests joining us. Cheryla point cousin of the victim 37 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 1: in this case, the young man we're looking for. She's 38 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 1: a genetic genealogist. The gene Hunter at the gene Hunter 39 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:14,920 Speaker 1: dot com and I mean ge ne not blue jeans. 40 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 1: Very special guests joining me, Kent Landry. You can find 41 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 1: Kent on Facebook at Facebook dot com, slash Fine Jason 42 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:32,639 Speaker 1: Landry but straight to Alexis Rustchuk Crimeline dot com and 43 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 1: investigative reporter also with lead Stories dot com. Alexis, I 44 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 1: don't understand how a young man who has finally decided 45 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 1: on his calling. His dream was to be a sound engineer, 46 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 1: and he was a new student at Texas State University. 47 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 1: Everything going on all cylinders, everything's fine. He leaves around 48 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: ten pmishon night to drive home to his parents for Christmas, 49 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: and he never shows up. What can you tell me 50 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 1: about those facts, Alexis terres Chuck. So, it was December thirteenth, 51 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 1: just left last year, right a little bit after ten o'clock. 52 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 1: He leaves ten fifty five to drive home. It's only 53 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:20,159 Speaker 1: a three hour drive to his parents. Who so, and 54 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:22,279 Speaker 1: you know he had to finish up school. You got 55 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 1: to wrap up stuff at the end of the semester, 56 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 1: and he's gonna go home for Christmas. Break gets in 57 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 1: the car, he chats on the phone with one of 58 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 1: his friends. What every normal person does, he writings suspicious 59 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 1: He chats on the front on the phone with a friend. 60 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 1: Is that on his cell phone? Yes, of course yes. 61 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:45,480 Speaker 1: And the conversation was normal, correct, Yes, nothing wrong going 62 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:48,159 Speaker 1: looking forward to Christmas? And what time was that conversation, 63 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 1: Alexis I'm trying to build a timeline. It was shortly 64 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 1: before ten fifty five pm. Now you know the reality 65 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 1: is for a young guy, this age, twenty one year 66 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:01,720 Speaker 1: old college unit hopping at car at ten thirty ten 67 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 1: forty five to drive home to your parents, that's no 68 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 1: big deal. A lot of us might say, Wow, that's 69 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 1: too late to be on the road. Not for a 70 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:11,720 Speaker 1: twenty one year old guy heading home for Christmas holidays. 71 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:14,599 Speaker 1: You just heard our friends Rebecca Thomas at Fox seven 72 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 1: Austin and our friends at kV U E ABC. But 73 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 1: take a listen to Jacob raskin k r PC Houston. 74 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 1: Jason's father, Ken, the senior pastor at a Presbyterian church 75 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:30,359 Speaker 1: in Missouri City, as well as Jason's older brother and 76 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 1: many other extended family members and friends have been searching 77 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:38,719 Speaker 1: alongside investigators all day, many wondering why would he have 78 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 1: left his belongings in the car. His father tells me 79 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 1: he believes Jason probably suffered a concussion. Maybe he doesn't 80 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 1: even know who he is. Maybe he's hurt, he was 81 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 1: in a car accident, but he's not with the car, 82 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 1: and we just don't know. So any help of me 83 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 1: greatly appreciated. Let's go straight out to this young man. 84 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 1: Jason Landry's dad joining us right now. It's Kent Landry. 85 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 1: And again, please go to Facebook dot com forward slash 86 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:11,720 Speaker 1: find Jason Landry or go to crime online dot com 87 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 1: to see photos and find out more. Can't tell me 88 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 1: what happened when you you knew he was on his 89 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 1: way home, correct and not that morning? Actually I knew 90 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 1: he was coming home. So I have three kids there, 91 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:30,280 Speaker 1: my oldest, their big sister was she worked in Chicago 92 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 1: and she was coming home. And the two boys, ones 93 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 1: at a m and once at Texas State, were both 94 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 1: waiting till their big sister gets home. Before they headed home. 95 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 1: They were both finishing up finals and then you know, 96 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 1: hanging out with friends and kind of finishing up everything 97 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 1: for the semester before they headed home. So I knew 98 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:52,360 Speaker 1: Jason was coming home. I didn't know which a particular 99 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 1: day because he was also waiting for another friend to 100 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:59,159 Speaker 1: come into town first, so you knew they were coming. 101 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 1: How of a drive is it from Texas State University? 102 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 1: Did you live in a dorm or an apartment? In 103 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:07,839 Speaker 1: an apartment, how far was it from Jason's apartment to 104 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 1: your home? Depends on how fast you drive in traffic. 105 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: Somewhere in the range of two and a half to 106 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 1: three hours, okay, going leaving at about ten till eleven 107 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 1: that night. He should have been home at least by 108 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 1: two thirty two thirty in the morning, and you didn't 109 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 1: know he was coming, so you didn't realize anything was 110 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 1: actually wrong until when until we got a call from 111 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 1: the highway patrol at around two in the morning. Tell 112 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 1: me about that call, mister Andrey. Well, um, you know, 113 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 1: I've gotten plenty of calls in the you know, in 114 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 1: the wee hours, whether when I was practicing law or 115 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 1: as a pastor. That that comes with the territory. So 116 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 1: wasn't that unusual. But when it's when it's the police 117 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 1: and they call about your child, that's you know, that's 118 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 1: kind of the nightmare of any parent, you know. To 119 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 1: all we were told is, you know, the car's crashed 120 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 1: he's not there, And we went back and forth with 121 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 1: the officer, and I got in the car and drove there. 122 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 1: I probably left with him about thirty minutes of the 123 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 1: first phone call to go see what I could find 124 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:41,200 Speaker 1: out Time Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we were talking 125 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:46,320 Speaker 1: about the phone call that no parent wants to get. 126 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:51,440 Speaker 1: That phone rings at two o'clock in the morning and 127 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 1: somebody tells you they found your boys car crashed, but 128 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 1: he's not in it along in a two and a 129 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 1: half hour ride that strip of road and nobody can 130 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:12,080 Speaker 1: find him. What do you do? I mean to doctor 131 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 1: Angela Arnold psychiatrists, I will never forget. And I told 132 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 1: this story, Jackie can close your ears. When my son 133 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:21,440 Speaker 1: John David went missing in a big superstore. It was 134 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 1: a Babies are Us superstore, huge and I was look 135 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 1: I had both of them with me and I was 136 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 1: looking for of all things, organic suntin lotion, and I 137 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 1: was down on the very bottom. They had shelves that 138 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:41,200 Speaker 1: I felt like they went up to the ceiling. And 139 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 1: I looked and looked and looked if I said, well, Twins, 140 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 1: I just can't find it. And I got up and 141 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 1: turned around. There was Lucy and know John David, And 142 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 1: in that moment, it felt like the whole world just stopped. Angela, 143 00:09:57,040 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you know, Nancy, these are the kinds of 144 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 1: thing things that when they happen, they shake our They 145 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 1: shake us to the very core, They shake our sense 146 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 1: of of just security that we all have to live 147 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 1: with on a daily basis. And now this poor boy 148 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 1: is missing, and there and there it does. It sounds 149 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 1: like they're no answer. So how can I mean? I 150 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 1: don't I've lost my children in stores before, and you 151 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 1: feel like you you literally think your whole life passes 152 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 1: in front of you, doesn't it, Nancy, I just don't 153 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:36,560 Speaker 1: even have a clear recollection of thinking anything. It just 154 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 1: felt like my whole body was I was outside my body, 155 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 1: but I could hear myself screaming to lock the doors. 156 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 1: And I had Lucy under one arm like a football, 157 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 1: like Tom Brady running for the touchdown, you know, but 158 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 1: trying to find John David. Kent Landry is Jason's dad. 159 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 1: He gets this call to am and here's that his 160 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 1: son's car is wrecked on the way home. But no, son, 161 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 1: You get in the car and you take off. What 162 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 1: was going through your mind can't as you were trying 163 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:17,560 Speaker 1: to get to that location. Well, um, it's I don't know, 164 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 1: it's it's hard to explain. It's it's a nightmare you 165 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:25,200 Speaker 1: never wake up from. Um, and it's been fifty three 166 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 1: days and hasn't ended. Um. It was it was very surreal. Um. 167 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:33,560 Speaker 1: Driving You're trying to get there, trying to think of 168 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 1: anything that can happen. And this is Loling is a 169 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 1: small town, you know, between Saint Marcus. It's it's the 170 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 1: only the reason you pass through Louling is to get 171 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:49,079 Speaker 1: to High ten to get home, and trying to figure out, okay, 172 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 1: well what am I going to do to get there? 173 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 1: Where was it? My wife stayed at home in case 174 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:59,080 Speaker 1: Jason called or and to find out, you know, information 175 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 1: from from the officer and stuff like that. So it 176 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 1: was I don't really remember. It was a blur. I 177 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 1: got there about five in the morning and it was clear, cold, 178 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 1: windy and dark, and trying to find my son, trying 179 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:24,079 Speaker 1: to find anything someone to talk to. Five am in 180 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 1: the morning in small town there's not a lot of 181 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 1: people to talk to or even try to find where 182 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 1: the accident is and stuff like that. How did you 183 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:37,320 Speaker 1: find the crash. Well, I knew who was the officer 184 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 1: had told me who was going to be towing the car, 185 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:42,200 Speaker 1: the name of the tow truck company. I found their 186 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:45,560 Speaker 1: location online, put it in my phone. It said it 187 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 1: was twenty four hours a day. So I went directly 188 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 1: there and I found a tow truck driver there and 189 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:54,560 Speaker 1: he said he wasn't the one who towed it, but 190 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 1: he gave me the location. He said, it's off this 191 00:12:57,679 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 1: one of the highways that kind of runs out of 192 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:02,840 Speaker 1: out of the town. So he gave me directions how 193 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:05,680 Speaker 1: to get there, and I'm running up and down this highway. 194 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 1: My wife I have located. We have locators on her phone, 195 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:10,560 Speaker 1: you know, she can watch where I am. And I 196 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 1: knew where Jason's car was, where his phone was. It 197 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 1: was in the storage lot at the parking at the 198 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 1: tow truck place, but they couldn't They wouldn't open it 199 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 1: until seven in the morning. So waiting before seven, I 200 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:26,960 Speaker 1: was going to see, you know, go look for Jason, 201 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 1: and Lisa was able to. I went down the room 202 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 1: road first. I knew that I couldn't see anything, so 203 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 1: I called my wife and said, I don't think he's 204 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 1: on this road. I'm almost to another town, you know, 205 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 1: called the officer and find out exactly what the location was. 206 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:45,960 Speaker 1: What she called him, he was already in bed. He 207 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:48,840 Speaker 1: gave her the name of the road we found it 208 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 1: on the found it on the map, and was driving 209 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 1: down that road at five am. So let me understand, 210 00:13:55,080 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 1: the officer, the investigator, got the car toad and then 211 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:08,440 Speaker 1: went to bed. Yes, okay, I wish they hadn't towed 212 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 1: the car just that fast. Joe Scott, Morgan, Professor forensic 213 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University. In such a long list of credentials, 214 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 1: I'm I'm losing you know, my voice. So, Joe Scott, 215 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 1: why did they tow the car? Well, I guess they 216 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 1: come upon the car, they see a crash, they're told 217 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 1: to tow it, and they don't realize that every tiny 218 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 1: bit of evidence is important. What do we need to 219 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 1: be looking at in that car? Oh? You know you 220 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:39,480 Speaker 1: have to first thing I would be looking for personally 221 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 1: is to see if there's any any evidence so trauma 222 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 1: that the driver may have sustained. By a minute, let 223 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 1: me get another fact for you, Joe Scott, to use. 224 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 1: Alexis dress shut. There was a crash, but a crash 225 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 1: into what was it a single carp and it's not 226 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 1: like into a tree or a fence, or was there 227 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 1: another car involved. The policea said they're down't believe that 228 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 1: there was another car are involved. They think that something 229 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 1: made Jason swerve and he perhaps maybe hit something with 230 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 1: the right i'm sorry, the left front tire, the driver's 231 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 1: side of the time, and then the car spun around 232 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 1: and maybe hit something else. But so far they haven't said, 233 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 1: you know what, all of our minds would go to, 234 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 1: like maybe somebody was chasing him in a car hit him. 235 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 1: Because the back of the car, the rear bumper is 236 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 1: very damaged, as is the front. Well that's is that right, 237 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 1: can't landry. The back of the car's damaged and the 238 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 1: front left fenders damaged. Yes, if you actually look at well, 239 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 1: if you look at there was only there were no 240 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 1: pictures taken by the officer at the scene of the accident. 241 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 1: The only picture we have of the car to my knowledge, 242 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 1: is a picture taken by that young man who actually 243 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 1: found the car, the volunteer fireman who was coming home. 244 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 1: He lives down this road. He was coming home from 245 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 1: i think from a fire call and saw saw the car. 246 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 1: Check looked inside. There wasn't anyone there. I think he said. 247 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 1: He touched the hood it was already cold, but it 248 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 1: was in the thirties that night, and called it in 249 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 1: and waited. So he waited the whole time that he 250 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 1: was there. And the picture doesn't really show much damage. 251 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 1: It's it's from the side of it. Looking at the 252 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 1: passenger side doesn't show a lot of damage to the trunk. 253 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 1: And you can, of course look at the pictures online 254 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 1: the car as it is sitting in the toe lot. 255 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 1: The rear end is significantly damaged and the front left 256 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 1: ender correct correct. Well, that doesn't even make sense. If 257 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 1: you have a crash, how do you get damage on 258 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 1: the front left ender and the backside? And here's the 259 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 1: really odd part to me. To Shara la Point genetic genealogists, 260 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 1: founder of the gene Hunter and cousin of this family, Shara, 261 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:06,639 Speaker 1: his clothes, Nancy, there are many more questions going through 262 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 1: my head than there have been any answers. I just 263 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:16,159 Speaker 1: cannot make sense of any of the clothes. Shara Jason's clothes. 264 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:21,439 Speaker 1: Where were they? They were strewn in the road. His 265 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:24,920 Speaker 1: dad is the one who found his clothes about nine 266 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:30,959 Speaker 1: hundred yards from the crash scenes. Why are these clothes 267 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:37,440 Speaker 1: that obviously Jason was wearing strewn nine hundred yards from 268 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:56,200 Speaker 1: the wreck time stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, for those 269 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 1: of you just joining us, please help us. Let me 270 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:02,119 Speaker 1: give you the chip line for Cobble County Sheriff's five 271 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 1: one two three, nine eight, six, seven seven seven repeat 272 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:12,720 Speaker 1: five one two, three, nine, eight six seven seven seven. 273 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:19,159 Speaker 1: Randy Kessler, you're the high profile trial lawyer. You've tried 274 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:25,879 Speaker 1: many a case involving crashes in your day. That doesn't 275 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 1: even make sense. I mean, there's so many questions. As 276 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 1: Sheryl point just said, why did the investigator go home 277 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 1: and go to sleep when they couldn't find the victim? 278 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:37,639 Speaker 1: Why did the dad have to find his son's clothing, 279 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:41,400 Speaker 1: all of his clothes we're off his body and nine 280 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:49,119 Speaker 1: hundred yards oh way, Why it's bizarrened him? And I'm sorry. 281 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 1: And the father should not have found any of that. 282 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 1: It should have been whether it's a crime investigation or 283 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 1: a civil case, an accident investigation, that kind of stuff. 284 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 1: How do you not find that, especially when it's one 285 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 1: that's not paper cutter kind of you know, cookie cutter 286 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:05,960 Speaker 1: kind of cakes where yep, someone ran a red light 287 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:08,399 Speaker 1: and here's what happened in the three witnesses. There are 288 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 1: no witnesses at the time of day. I mean, this 289 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:13,680 Speaker 1: investigation should not have ended with the officer being in 290 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 1: bed and the father having to go out there and 291 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:18,720 Speaker 1: find this evidence. Forget the emotional aspect of finding the 292 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:22,200 Speaker 1: stuff about a loved one. He's not an expert. That's 293 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:24,960 Speaker 1: what we have. Actually, I just don't understand how what 294 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:30,919 Speaker 1: plausible explanation is there for a crash with damage from 295 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 1: our front, left fender and back squished in to Kent Landry. 296 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 1: This is Jason's dad. Please go to Facebook dot com 297 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 1: forward slash Fine, Jason Landry, how did you think to 298 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:50,879 Speaker 1: walk nine hundred yards to find the clothing? Well, I was, 299 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:53,679 Speaker 1: I knew where the accident was, and I'm driving up 300 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 1: and down the road looking for my son, and I'm 301 00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 1: I'm continuing to drive down the road looking more kind 302 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:04,440 Speaker 1: of off to the side, and frankly, I expected to 303 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:10,119 Speaker 1: see Jason maybe walking down the road or someone, you know, 304 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 1: I didn't know I was the only person out there looking. 305 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:16,680 Speaker 1: I mean, I just but I'm I'm gonna look it's 306 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:21,200 Speaker 1: it's you know, it's my son. And I'm driving down 307 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 1: this road and as I'm driving along, in my headlights, 308 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:30,439 Speaker 1: I see clothes and and I look at I stopped 309 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:32,440 Speaker 1: and I'm like, what is that? You know, because as 310 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:35,159 Speaker 1: I'm driving along, I was driving slow because, oh gosh, 311 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 1: I think I'd seen at least three different set of 312 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:40,720 Speaker 1: deer run in front of me at Coyote m there's 313 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 1: only three miles out of Louling, but lou Liegan's very 314 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 1: quickly and you get you're in country. So I was 315 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 1: driving slow, thinking, you know, he probably sort of to 316 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 1: avoid a deer, and I was going to avoid him also, 317 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 1: And I see clothes. Well, I see something in front 318 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 1: of me, and I stopped, and I look at the 319 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 1: headlights and I'm like, those are clothes, And then I 320 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 1: look at the clothes and I can recognize him as 321 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 1: my sons. Um, you know, some closes as relatively distinctive. 322 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 1: Jason wore he loved novelty socks, so I knew the 323 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:17,440 Speaker 1: socks the minute I saw him. I think these were 324 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:21,679 Speaker 1: some SpongeBob ones. Oh you just spoke to me, because 325 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 1: my son's favorite pair of socks. One is bacon in 326 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 1: the other sock is eggs. He loves crazy socks, so 327 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 1: you see realize the socks were there too, Yes, socks, socks, 328 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 1: t shirt, socks, shorts, underwear, his slide, sandals, and his 329 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:50,439 Speaker 1: watch and his watch. So it wasn't a theft, you know, 330 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:56,720 Speaker 1: Joe Scott just recently, you know, my sister drove all 331 00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 1: the way from California didn't want to fly because of 332 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 1: COVID to Atlanta to see my mom and all of us. 333 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:08,239 Speaker 1: On the way back. She's a really careful driver, like 334 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:13,639 Speaker 1: overboard twenty miles an hour driver. A deer jumped out 335 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 1: in Murfreesburg, Tennessee. I think it was totaled her car. 336 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 1: But wouldn't there have been blood or some evidence of 337 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:27,159 Speaker 1: a deer? That's what I just heard Kent Landry hypothesize. 338 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 1: Wouldn't we have evidence of that? Yes, if if the 339 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 1: vehicle actually impacted the animal. You know, I worked a 340 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 1: lot of cases actually involving deaths of individuals that hid deer, 341 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 1: and you'll find tufts of hair, you know, like in 342 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:45,400 Speaker 1: the grill, around around the light, headlight housing all this. 343 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:48,159 Speaker 1: But you know the impact on Jason's car is to 344 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:51,879 Speaker 1: the rear left, and my understanding is it was found 345 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 1: against a tree? I think that what I'd like to 346 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 1: ask Kent is this is a rural I'm familiar with 347 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 1: this area of Oh is it You're familiar with every 348 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:06,359 Speaker 1: single area travel I travel a lot. I've uh, you know, 349 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 1: a true story. I've been to the Schinerbach Brewery quite 350 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:12,679 Speaker 1: a bit, and so at any rate, Uh, it's a 351 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 1: It's an agricultural area, isn't it, Kent? And so the 352 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 1: road is paved, but are there light? Is it real 353 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,920 Speaker 1: gravelly on both sides like soft shoulders if you will. 354 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 1: Where this section of Sultflight Road starts paved right outside 355 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:32,400 Speaker 1: of blue Ling, but it turns into gravel. So where 356 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:36,160 Speaker 1: this accident occurred is actually all gravel. Oh boy? And 357 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 1: this is um This an area that is actually sitting 358 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,639 Speaker 1: on a oil and gas field from about the twenties. 359 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 1: So it's not farming as much as people run cattle 360 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 1: and there's a lot of oil field activity. It's it's 361 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:52,879 Speaker 1: out in the country. It's it's the road real like 362 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 1: they refer to washboarding. I mean, it's like it is washboard. 363 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 1: This is my question. I know that know that Jason 364 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 1: was new to Texas state. You said it was his 365 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:08,160 Speaker 1: first semester. Had he made this trip home very many times? 366 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 1: Come from Sam, coming from Sam mark because you know, 367 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:15,439 Speaker 1: saw a flat road. It's well, guys, wait a minute, 368 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:19,640 Speaker 1: we're putting the cart before the horse here. Even if 369 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 1: he was swerving to overcorrect, if he saw a deer 370 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:27,840 Speaker 1: and hit a tree, if that's what happened, where is he. 371 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 1: Whether there's evidence of blood from a deer or a 372 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:36,400 Speaker 1: tuft of hair from a deer, or paint from another car, 373 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:53,920 Speaker 1: that still doesn't tell me where is he? Crime Stories 374 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:58,680 Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace joining you right now. Giovanni Massucchi's Senior 375 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:05,360 Speaker 1: Digital Forensics Examine or m CEO National Digital Forensics at 376 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:10,360 Speaker 1: nat LDF dot com. Giovanni Masucci, thank you for being 377 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:15,199 Speaker 1: with us. What can we learn from any GPS in 378 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:20,879 Speaker 1: the car and from Jason's cell phone? Yes, thanks for 379 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 1: having me. I appreciate it. Thank you. M one of 380 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 1: the One of the things is I'm gonna look at 381 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 1: if on the phone and so and the phone of 382 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 1: what I understand was between your drive receiving the Center Council. 383 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:34,120 Speaker 1: So one of the things I'm gonna look at um 384 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 1: is the phone. But also you mentioned the GPS depending 385 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 1: on the car making model um an ear what type 386 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:48,199 Speaker 1: of entertainment system was located in that vehicle. And what 387 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:52,199 Speaker 1: I mean by entertainments entertainment system is the I call 388 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 1: that the communication center, so you can connect with it 389 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:58,360 Speaker 1: with your with your mobile device, and most people nowadays 390 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 1: do a lot of work and talk using that impertainment 391 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:05,680 Speaker 1: system that's in the car, which also may have a 392 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:10,639 Speaker 1: navigation system which can do your mapping, but also you 393 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 1: can call, do text message, search social media and so on. 394 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 1: So we've got two areas to look at. Taking back 395 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:21,119 Speaker 1: to the mobile phone. If I'm going to the scene, 396 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:22,680 Speaker 1: what I'm going to do is I'm going to pull 397 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,439 Speaker 1: that into evidence right start my chain of custody, and 398 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:27,639 Speaker 1: I'm going to look to see once I bring it 399 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:29,440 Speaker 1: back to the lab. And of course you'd have to 400 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 1: have a warrant to actually do the analysis part of it, 401 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 1: depending on what's happened in the case. In this case, 402 00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:39,200 Speaker 1: we have a missing individual young man, and so once 403 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,720 Speaker 1: the law enforce and obtains the search warrant to go 404 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,479 Speaker 1: ahead and do the phone do the analysis on it, 405 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,640 Speaker 1: they're going to look for it depending on the type 406 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:50,480 Speaker 1: of tool that they use too. So what kind of 407 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:53,440 Speaker 1: search did this law enforce and agency do Did you 408 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 1: do just a physical search gain meaning that they just 409 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,440 Speaker 1: opened up the phone and start looking at it, which 410 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,679 Speaker 1: we typically from against that. As a forensics individual, you 411 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 1: want to use a forensic software or forensic tool to 412 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,639 Speaker 1: write and look at the digital data and to actually 413 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 1: was called to an acquisition of that phone. So you're 414 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,359 Speaker 1: pulling as much data you can off that phone to 415 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:19,320 Speaker 1: next be able to analyze that data. So you're gonna 416 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:23,240 Speaker 1: look for GPS data, You're gonna look for location data. 417 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 1: Was the phone location data on? Is the time of 418 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 1: data stamp correct? It's on the phone in the same 419 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:33,960 Speaker 1: zoning period? Did he do any text messaging with anybody? 420 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:38,800 Speaker 1: You know what, I've got a little information on that 421 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:43,119 Speaker 1: to aid you in your analysis with me. Giovanni Massuchi 422 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 1: with National Digital Forensics to can't Landry. This is Jason's 423 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:53,480 Speaker 1: dad who's been searching for his son NonStop since his 424 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,120 Speaker 1: car was found on a lonely stretch of road on 425 00:27:56,160 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 1: his way home for Christmas break around eleven twenty four. 426 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:04,199 Speaker 1: Much I say this is coming from the phone or 427 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 1: it may have been coming from the car navigational system itself. Yes, Well, 428 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:12,800 Speaker 1: Jason enters Luling on Texas Highway eighty. He stops using 429 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 1: the Waves app and opens up Snapchat. Passes through Magnolia 430 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:23,960 Speaker 1: and East Austin, and that is where his digital footprint stopped. That's, 431 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:29,040 Speaker 1: you know, that's the big question. I'm pretty comfortable saying, 432 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:35,160 Speaker 1: based on everything that the last relatively certain, because there's 433 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 1: almost no certainty here. But sitting at the light in 434 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 1: Luling where normally you would turn right if you were, 435 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 1: you know, heading the correct way, you would turn right, 436 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 1: and then a couple of blocks later you turn left 437 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 1: and then you head out High ten. Sitting at that 438 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 1: light at about eleven twenty four is the last kind 439 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 1: of point in time we feel pretty certain. What is 440 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:04,240 Speaker 1: going on after that point the sixty seven minutes until 441 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,520 Speaker 1: that young man finds his car wrecked on the side 442 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:13,320 Speaker 1: of the road. Absolutely anybody's guests. And then, of course 443 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 1: the bigger question, the one I really care about, is 444 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 1: what happened after that and where's my son? But no, 445 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:25,120 Speaker 1: after that point in time, it could be anything from 446 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 1: a carjacking to a road rap. I mean, it could 447 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,440 Speaker 1: be I just you know, could he wreck and be 448 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 1: completely gone in just sixty seven minutes? Guys, take a 449 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:39,320 Speaker 1: listen to our friend Jacob Rascaran at k r PC Houston. 450 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 1: It was finally time for Jason Landry to come home 451 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:48,040 Speaker 1: for Christmas. He left Texas State in San Marcus Sunday night, 452 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,880 Speaker 1: but didn't get far. Just after midnight, the local sheriff's 453 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:55,360 Speaker 1: department got a call about a total sudan along Salt 454 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 1: Flat Road. It was Jason's Nissan Ultimu with his wallet, 455 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 1: phone and other belongings inside, but no Jason at the moment. 456 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:08,440 Speaker 1: They're using dogs to trying to search for him by 457 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,560 Speaker 1: scent there, and he's trying to helicopter us in the 458 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,920 Speaker 1: infrared light and didn't have any luck. You can imagine 459 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:19,000 Speaker 1: Lisa Landry, his mother, is worried, sick, and in a 460 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 1: bit of shock that this is all really happening. He's alone, 461 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:27,680 Speaker 1: he doesn't have his phone or his wallet, and it's 462 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:29,960 Speaker 1: cold outside, and I just I don't know where he 463 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:33,840 Speaker 1: is and I'd like to find him. You were hearing Lisa, 464 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:40,280 Speaker 1: Jason's mother to Jason Landry's dad, joining me, Kn't Landry, 465 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:47,000 Speaker 1: what toll is this search taking on your family? Well 466 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 1: say it's hard. As the world's greatest understatement you know, honestly, 467 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 1: the thing that's keeping us going is the prayers of 468 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:04,160 Speaker 1: thousands of people. I mean, it's been amazing. Our church 469 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:08,000 Speaker 1: started a prayer chain. When this started, in every fifteen minutes, 470 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 1: someone knew was praying for us, and it's happened. It's 471 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 1: been that way since the very beginning. And here we 472 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,760 Speaker 1: are in day fifty three. We've got thousands of people 473 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:21,680 Speaker 1: praying for us. And you know, our faith and our family, 474 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:27,680 Speaker 1: we know that no matter what happened, we know God knows, 475 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:32,720 Speaker 1: and we're just continuing to hope and pray and trying 476 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:40,240 Speaker 1: to do the best we can given the circumstances. Is 477 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 1: it correct to Cheryl a Point, the cousin of the 478 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:47,680 Speaker 1: lantern every family, you know her as the gene hunter, 479 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:53,560 Speaker 1: that a small amount of blood was found. Yes, Nancy, 480 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:58,120 Speaker 1: there were spots of blood found, one believed the band 481 00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:04,560 Speaker 1: of his underwear and also on a tag um on 482 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:09,000 Speaker 1: an article of clothing. And I don't believe there was 483 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:13,840 Speaker 1: any blood found in the core um when it was analyzed, 484 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 1: so um those that blood is being analyzed for DNA evidence. 485 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:24,800 Speaker 1: Um is what I understand at this point, but no, 486 00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 1: nothing has been finalized yet. Too ken't Landry, this is 487 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,880 Speaker 1: Jason's dad. A little bit of blood found on the 488 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,320 Speaker 1: band of his underwear in the front the side of 489 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,560 Speaker 1: the back. Um. It was found on the tag of 490 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:42,400 Speaker 1: his hit two dots of underwear blood and by that 491 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,240 Speaker 1: I mean dot like the tip of a racer of 492 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:51,920 Speaker 1: a pen pencil um on the the tag on his shorts, 493 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 1: which is I guess would be your probably left tip 494 00:32:56,480 --> 00:33:00,400 Speaker 1: area on those shorts, maybe right hip one around your 495 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,480 Speaker 1: hip and then right around the waistband at the top. 496 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:08,120 Speaker 1: So probably the car came to rest on the driver's 497 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:11,960 Speaker 1: side against a barbed wire fence. If Jason pushed the 498 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:13,920 Speaker 1: door open and tried to kind of scoot along the 499 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:20,480 Speaker 1: side of the door to get out easily, the barbed 500 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:24,600 Speaker 1: wire could have you know, pricked him and be that 501 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:28,960 Speaker 1: small amount of blood just thinking about that, was the 502 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:32,720 Speaker 1: barb wire ever tested, mister Royatry, I don't know the 503 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,880 Speaker 1: answer to that question. I do not know. I mean, 504 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:40,200 Speaker 1: the whole the whole scene of the car accident, to 505 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:44,120 Speaker 1: my knowledge, has never been accordinged because I know there 506 00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:47,280 Speaker 1: were pieces of his car there for weeks on end, 507 00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,280 Speaker 1: and probably if you went out there right now, I 508 00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 1: don't know. People have been going by, I think collecting them. 509 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:54,840 Speaker 1: I don't know if any would be left, but there 510 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,400 Speaker 1: were some last time I was there. And no blood 511 00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,800 Speaker 1: on the inside of the car, not to my knowledge. 512 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:03,160 Speaker 1: Okay to you, JESSICTT. Morgan, that speaks volumes to me. 513 00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:06,200 Speaker 1: I think mister Landry's assessment is correct. If there's no 514 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:10,440 Speaker 1: blood on the inside, he had to get those tiny 515 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,640 Speaker 1: bits of dropped a bit of blood on his hip 516 00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:17,920 Speaker 1: area from somewhere, and that makes perfect sense. Yeah. The 517 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:21,520 Speaker 1: likely candidate, like mister Landry had mentioned, could be that 518 00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:25,680 Speaker 1: barbed wire that the car was resting against. And you know, 519 00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,719 Speaker 1: this impact that he sustained in this vehicle could have 520 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:33,040 Speaker 1: disoriented him to a great degree. And it's still very 521 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:37,600 Speaker 1: curious though for me as to why his clothing would 522 00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:40,879 Speaker 1: be off of his person. My understanding was was that 523 00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,360 Speaker 1: the shirt that he was seen wearing earlier in the 524 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:48,480 Speaker 1: evening was actually found at the scene. Is that correct, 525 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,880 Speaker 1: mister Landry. That's correct, and we know that because of 526 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:57,800 Speaker 1: those recently released photos. Is the same shirt in the photos, 527 00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:01,560 Speaker 1: mister Landry, Yes, that's is a shirt. I know. I 528 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:05,279 Speaker 1: mean because he was snapchatting and instagramming with one of 529 00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,880 Speaker 1: his friends while he was packing up to leave and 530 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:11,800 Speaker 1: it just changed into that shirt and watching the video 531 00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:17,560 Speaker 1: and so I'm assuming that's what he was wearing. And 532 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:23,040 Speaker 1: you know it, for me as a parent to you 533 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:27,000 Speaker 1: can't even imagine we're talking about yes, ma'am, yes, ma'am. 534 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:32,360 Speaker 1: Just what why? You know, it's it's an interesting intellectual 535 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,279 Speaker 1: exercise for a lot of people, but for me, it 536 00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,120 Speaker 1: hurts my heart to think that my boy is and 537 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:40,840 Speaker 1: it was cold, it was cold, and Wendy, why would 538 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,400 Speaker 1: he take his clothes off in the middle of the 539 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:47,800 Speaker 1: road in this kind of temperature. The airbags didn't deploy 540 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:51,359 Speaker 1: on the car. There's no side impact on this car. 541 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,040 Speaker 1: And this is an old car. Pastor, you don't get 542 00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:55,960 Speaker 1: to make a lot of money, so kids get to 543 00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:59,439 Speaker 1: drive old cars. This is a two thousand and three, 544 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:04,160 Speaker 1: So there's no And I understand mister that hundreds of 545 00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:07,480 Speaker 1: hours of security videos from in and around Louling were reviewed. 546 00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:11,760 Speaker 1: No evidence at all. What are the what's the police 547 00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:15,919 Speaker 1: working theory right now, mister Landry, you'd have to check 548 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:19,439 Speaker 1: with them. I don't I don't think they the case. 549 00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,560 Speaker 1: And just to be clear, the case was originally handled 550 00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:26,040 Speaker 1: by Texas State Highway Patrol. About a week later they 551 00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:30,480 Speaker 1: turned it over to the Caldwell County Sheriff's Office. The 552 00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:34,239 Speaker 1: Caldwell County Sheriff's Office, you know, starting late, and of 553 00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,479 Speaker 1: course with the issues with destructure of evidence and everything else, 554 00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,879 Speaker 1: has kind of been running a race from behind, which 555 00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,160 Speaker 1: is I think one of the reasons they've shared so 556 00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:48,760 Speaker 1: much information so that they can get that one person 557 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:52,279 Speaker 1: to come forward who might shed light on something and 558 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:56,799 Speaker 1: make it make clear is this a tragedy? And in 559 00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:00,000 Speaker 1: terms of you know, someone disappearing and they've searched from 560 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,879 Speaker 1: miles and miles and they're they're searching right now as 561 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:09,680 Speaker 1: we speak. Are they using tracker dogs? They started with dogs, people, 562 00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:15,320 Speaker 1: drones kind of a specialized Mini Predator drone which is 563 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:18,719 Speaker 1: a new one. Helicopter's fixed wing aircraft have all been used. 564 00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:23,360 Speaker 1: And horses, horse and ATV and stuff like that. Where 565 00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:30,560 Speaker 1: is this why? Jason Landry, twenty one years old, driving 566 00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:34,080 Speaker 1: home for Christmas break. We find his car, we find 567 00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:37,239 Speaker 1: his cell phone, we find his clothes, his back back, 568 00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:43,640 Speaker 1: but no Jason Tipline five, one, two, three, nine, eight, six, seven, 569 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:49,960 Speaker 1: seven seven. We wait as justice sun falls. Nancy Grace 570 00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:52,560 Speaker 1: crime story, signing off goodbye friend,