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Speaker 1: Oh hi everybody. Hi it is It is the second

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Speaker 1: of September twenty twenty one. My name is Luke Thomas

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Speaker 1: and this is my live chat which I do right

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Speaker 1: here on the Morning Combat YouTube channel. It has been

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Speaker 1: several effing weeks since I have done one of these,

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Speaker 1: way too long. We have really fucked up the content

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Speaker 1: plan for the month of August and we went on

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Speaker 1: vacation over there at at Morning Combat. No one's fault

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Speaker 1: really sorry. It was a bit of a learning lesson

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Speaker 1: with how this was handled, and so I'm sorry about that.

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Speaker 1: But we're back on the horse ready to go. We

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Speaker 1: have a big fall schedule for Combat Sports and we're

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Speaker 1: really excited about it. So first things, first, thumbs up

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Speaker 1: And we appreciate any and all forms of help. Today

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Speaker 1: guess it's gonna be you know, uh, some stuff in

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Speaker 1: my personal life and professional life and everything else in between. So,

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Speaker 1: without further ado, I'm sorry for the late start on this.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you guys watching. When I say the least start,

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is the big gap that I had.

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Speaker 1: But let's get things started, shall we. All right, and

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Speaker 1: there we are back, I'll take this off, so I

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Speaker 1: hope you're doing well. It was a I went over

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Speaker 1: most of this on Morning Combat. It was a. It

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Speaker 1: was a. It was a strange vacation. It was a

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Speaker 1: It's not an excuse you. Even with all those things,

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Speaker 1: people have dealt with much worse and still kept their

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Speaker 1: really sorry about that. Okay, As always, we put the

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Speaker 1: First things first, Hi, Luke, first time, long time. As

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Speaker 1: technical content you did before on Dissected Tech difficulties, in

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Speaker 1: So I've saying that sort of much a technical breakdown.

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Speaker 1: dot com. I have wrestled with one kind of problem.

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Speaker 1: in interning with me, I'd even pay a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Email me Luke Thomas news at gmail dot com. This

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Speaker 1: imagine being the widow of somebody? You know, you lost

430
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Speaker 1: your husband, you lost your source of or wife, but whatever,

431
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Speaker 1: You lost your source of income, you lost your partner,

432
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Speaker 1: you lost the person was gonna help you raise your

433
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Speaker 1: kids for what? For what? Because Paul Wolfowitz and not

434
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Speaker 1: Donald Trumps gives me Donald Rumsfeld and others had dreams

435
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Speaker 1: about a brand new Marshall plan. Those fuckers should be

436
00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:56,960
Speaker 1: tried in the Hague. Obviously Rumsfeld has passed, but that's

437
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Speaker 1: what they died for, and it is incredibly pain full

438
00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:04,080
Speaker 1: to say it. They died for basically a jobs program

439
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:10,680
Speaker 1: for Afghans and to indulge the neo con fever dreams

440
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:14,960
Speaker 1: of you know, various forces of the State Department and

441
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Speaker 1: Defense Department, and and to enrich private contractors. That's the

442
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:23,119
Speaker 1: there there, there's there's there's nothing else left. If you

443
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Speaker 1: look at the there's been some examinations of the stock

444
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Speaker 1: prices of like Raytheon and Boeing and other ones, you know,

445
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Speaker 1: right around or before nine to eleven to now, we're

446
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:34,919
Speaker 1: talking like a thousand percent increase. I mean, they have

447
00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:38,720
Speaker 1: mass They of course have every interest in this continuing,

448
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,200
Speaker 1: and I'm sure will continue to put pressure for other

449
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Speaker 1: forms of military conflict. But I will tell you that

450
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Speaker 1: I am profoundly, deeply relieved on some level, while recognizing,

451
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Speaker 1: of course that the moral horrors continue in any other

452
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Speaker 1: number of ways. But I will tell you that I

453
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Speaker 1: am profoundly relieved that that is over. It should have

454
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Speaker 1: been over a long, long, long time ago. In every

455
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Speaker 1: single administration, from Bush to Obama to Trump to now Biden,

456
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:08,000
Speaker 1: they all bear responsibility in their own ways. They are

457
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,320
Speaker 1: all part of this big lie. And it was kind

458
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Speaker 1: of funny during the the pandemic. The Craig what's his

459
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Speaker 1: last name, Whitlock, I think this is something like that,

460
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:20,160
Speaker 1: was a big reporter for the Post and they put

461
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Speaker 1: out these Afghanistan Papers do well into the pandemic. It

462
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Speaker 1: didn't get hardly any media attention. Already, by the way,

463
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Speaker 1: Afghanistan's kind of falling off the map in terms of

464
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Speaker 1: news now it's all ivermectin disputes. But it was called

465
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Speaker 1: the Afghanistan Papers do they had They had unequivocal evidence

466
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Speaker 1: from Bush to Obama to Trump to Biden, all of

467
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Speaker 1: them and various you know, parties sympathetic to them and

468
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Speaker 1: in coalition with them, all lying completely to the American people.

469
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Speaker 1: It's it's not ambiguous. It's it's in no way ambiguous.

470
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Speaker 1: When people are distrustful of institutional power, they're going to

471
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Speaker 1: look at this a profound American failure, but one that

472
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Speaker 1: has finally come to an end. Look, big fan of MK,

473
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Speaker 1: what are the chances of you and Rashad teaming up

474
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Speaker 1: to do a fight fighter breakdowns for dissected? Your combined

475
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 1: insight really paints a picture of x's and no's in

476
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Speaker 1: the fight game. I really enjoy the episode you all

477
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Speaker 1: did together a couple weeks ago. Yes, this has been

478
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Speaker 1: discussed a number of times. The only thing is it's

479
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,200
Speaker 1: a little hard for me and him. We can do

480
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Speaker 1: the thing through I was gonna say, what's happ no

481
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Speaker 1: from zoom we can do that kind of thing. But

482
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Speaker 1: it's been discussed in a way where we would actually

483
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Speaker 1: be together to do it. But he lives in Florida.

484
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Speaker 1: I live here, and it's just a little bit hard

485
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Speaker 1: to put together. But like to, I want to. I

486
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Speaker 1: would love to. I don't think it's really in the cards,

487
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Speaker 1: but it has been discussed and I think it'd be

488
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Speaker 1: something kind of fun. Oh here we go. Well, maybe

489
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Speaker 1: I'll want to do a video for this tomorrow. Patty

490
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Speaker 1: the Battie makes his debut this Saturday as a highly

491
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Speaker 1: tighted prospect. You have had the chance to watch him

492
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Speaker 1: at all and his chances and how quickly if he

493
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Speaker 1: gets a win he'll be able to make waves in

494
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 1: a historically deep lightweight division. Yeah. I did do some

495
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:11,479
Speaker 1: work on Patty pimblet. You know, full of confidence, that

496
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 1: guy full of confidence. But I mean, you know, you're

497
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 1: if you're a fighter, you're supposed to be right, so

498
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,159
Speaker 1: we can't we can't say that about them. So I

499
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,120
Speaker 1: had seen him fight, I had watched Cage Warriors events

500
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Speaker 1: over the years and he's been a big fixture for

501
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Speaker 1: them for a long time. And I but I couldn't

502
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 1: really remember. There was nothing that really stuck out. Obviously

503
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Speaker 1: if you're in the UK, and in particular I think

504
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 1: he's got a Scouse accent, right, so he's a Liverpool guy.

505
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Speaker 1: Then he holds critical importance. And in fact, I've had

506
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Speaker 1: conversations with folks over at BT Sport where you know,

507
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 1: they have sort of articulated to me that like since

508
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Speaker 1: the retirement of Michael Bisping, you know they've been waiting

509
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Speaker 1: for that next big UK star. Darren Till still has

510
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 1: some of that possibility, but it's not been quite the

511
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 1: clean transfer. Yeah. I think they really want someone to

512
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 1: come out put a stamp on the map for UK MMA,

513
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 1: and he is certainly a name that has been bandied

514
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Speaker 1: about as someone we should pay atention to do. So

515
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 1: what does the tape show, Well, I will tell you that.

516
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Speaker 1: So what I did was I went back and I

517
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,439
Speaker 1: was like, let me find his last loss, let me

518
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:12,159
Speaker 1: start there, and don't mist understand me. Here's a little

519
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,879
Speaker 1: rule of thumb whenever you evaluate any fighter, particularly if

520
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Speaker 1: they've got like, you know, fifteen or more fights. If

521
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 1: there are still ten or less, maybe don't do this.

522
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 1: But you get someone whos got like fifteen or twenty fights,

523
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Speaker 1: and I forget his exact record. I have to look

524
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Speaker 1: it up. He's got let me see if I can

525
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Speaker 1: find it here. What does he have? He ish right,

526
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Speaker 1: sixteen and three. I've got some Wikipedia stuff up and

527
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 1: leftover research. Sixteen and three. Yeah, so he's got nearly

528
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Speaker 1: twenty fights. Whenever you get to that, it's it's a

529
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Speaker 1: it's a decent rule of thumb where you want to

530
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Speaker 1: throw out their best stuff and then throw out their

531
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Speaker 1: worst stuff, throw out their best fight, throw out their

532
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Speaker 1: worst fight. Not that it doesn't count. You are what

533
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 1: your record says you are, but you know you don't

534
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:55,199
Speaker 1: want to get too locked into what it showed. And

535
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Speaker 1: when they have like this amazing performance or like a

536
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Speaker 1: really bad one. Nevertheless, though for this purpose, I was like, okay,

537
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 1: sixteen and three, let me see when his last loss was.

538
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Speaker 1: So when I looked, it's a guy by the name

539
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Speaker 1: of Sorin Bach I believe was how you pronounce it.

540
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:10,879
Speaker 1: I'm sure I'm pronouncing it wrong. But and so I

541
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 1: watched the fight. Here's what's interesting about like Patty Pimblet,

542
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Speaker 1: which is that for the US audience. I don't know

543
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Speaker 1: if all of his fights are on there, but like

544
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 1: a shit ton of his fights are on fight Pass.

545
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 1: He can just go right through. And the good news

546
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 1: about him is sort of an early scouting report is

547
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:29,479
Speaker 1: that he's an aggressive back attacker. He finds the back quickly,

548
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 1: he has good ground and pound from the back, He

549
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:33,119
Speaker 1: has good control from the back. He goes to the

550
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:36,479
Speaker 1: body triangle from the back. He aggressively looks for from

551
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Speaker 1: the back and then finishes from the back. A lot

552
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 1: of his finishes, whether TK or sub hav it in

553
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Speaker 1: the first or second round. So he is generally an

554
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Speaker 1: aggressive posture and then on top of that really works

555
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Speaker 1: for the back. I think it's what you want to

556
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 1: look for, and if this fight the next one. But

557
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 1: so I went to the soorn Bock fight and I

558
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 1: was watching it, and you saw some flashes of that.

559
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 1: You saw him really go early for the back. In fact,

560
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 1: sorn Bach nearly got submitted in the first and I

561
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 1: thought he was kind of going to be done, but

562
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 1: he fought his way out and you can slowly see

563
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 1: the tide kind of turn over time. By the fifth round,

564
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 1: he was the one who had Pimblets back, so I

565
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 1: you know, it was his loss, so you're not going

566
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 1: to get the best out of him. But I watched

567
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 1: the fight and I was like, Okay, there's some things

568
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 1: you like here. But I didn't necessarily look at that

569
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 1: and think like, wow, future future prospect. Nothing really stood

570
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 1: out at that time. But I tell you what I

571
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 1: did do after that. I mean, look at these I

572
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 1: can't remember the names, and I'm on this page. So

573
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 1: that was in uh, September of twenty eighteen, so really

574
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Speaker 1: almost well, actually it was September first, so it was

575
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 1: almost three years ago to the day. Now, three years

576
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 1: in the life of somebody who is now just twenty six.

577
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Speaker 1: So he was twenty three at that time, very young

578
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 1: in his MMA career, and even then, you know, he

579
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 1: had had over fifteen fights. So I went I looked

580
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Speaker 1: at the fight he had with Decky Dalton, which I

581
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 1: know was a last minute one, but then he had

582
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 1: the fight against I don't know how to pronounce it, Martinez.

583
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 1: I'm not sure where he's from. But I saw a

584
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Speaker 1: massive improvement not just from Bach to Decky or back

585
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Speaker 1: to Dalton and then Dalton to Martinez. But like, for example,

586
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Speaker 1: if you watch him in the sore in Bock fight,

587
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 1: even in the first round and second round, he was

588
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Speaker 1: kind of flat footed, you know, he was kind of

589
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 1: flat footed. There was no real jab. He was like

590
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 1: kind of just throwing overhand rights and once he got

591
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 1: to the ground. He was obviously a skilled competitor, but

592
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 1: you could tell he was like a little bit wet

593
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Speaker 1: behind the ears in terms of some of the other

594
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Speaker 1: pieces of his game. But then you look at the

595
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Speaker 1: Dalton fight and you can see him begin to bounce

596
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Speaker 1: a little bit, and you can see him jump into

597
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 1: range and jump out of range and look for his timing,

598
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 1: and like you could see it get better and better.

599
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 1: And then you go to the Martinez fight. Now, neither

600
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 1: of these fights lasted a whole lot two fifty one

601
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Speaker 1: for Dalton, one p thirty seven in the both first

602
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 1: round for Martinez. But then you look at the Martinez fight.

603
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Speaker 1: Now that was in January March of this year. Okay, dude,

604
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 1: he looked much better on the feet. He was you know,

605
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 1: you could see a little bit of shoulder movement, and

606
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 1: he was rolling his head a little bit, bouncing in

607
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 1: and out, kind of jabbing for range and everything else,

608
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 1: and he made short work of Martinez. I think he

609
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: found the Yes, we were a nikka chok, found the

610
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 1: back on that one, polished him off good ground and pound.

611
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 1: Now the knock might be that Dalton was there on

612
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 1: short notice and that Martinez, you know, I think that

613
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 1: was his first fight in cage Warriors. This is not

614
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 1: a guy who had a ton of experience on the level, okay, right,

615
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 1: but he's fighting on the regional level. And what I'm

616
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 1: looking for is how does he move? What choices does

617
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 1: he make? And yeah, those two guys were overmatched, but

618
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 1: what are the differences between how he approaches that fight

619
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 1: over fight over fight? This is the reality about any

620
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 1: fighter who is, you know, halfway decent roll. Let's say

621
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Speaker 1: call him good, petty him. It's more than good. I'll

622
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 1: get to him in just a second. What I mean

623
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 1: to say is, if you see someone fighting at the

624
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 1: international or UFC level from twenty three to twenty six, dude,

625
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 1: if they're at all working hard and they have a

626
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 1: modicum of talent and they're gonna make a big, big jump.

627
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 1: So here's what I would say about him, and I

628
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 1: went to look at some other ones as well, be

629
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 1: previously to the sore and box fight. But this is

630
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 1: this is just a reality about Patty for what I

631
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 1: can tell, as I mentioned on the good side, aggressive

632
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 1: back attacker both from position, submission and ground and pound,

633
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 1: really really is quite good at getting it and holding it.

634
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 1: It's actually a skill that a lot of folks don't

635
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 1: really appreciate. He is quite good at it. And his

636
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 1: improvement on the feet is fuugh phenomenal, phenomenal. And here's

637
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 1: a really interesting part. One. He's only twenty six. I

638
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 1: don't think he's even close to his as I say

639
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 1: on Morning Combat, his upper bound limit. And for twenty

640
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 1: six to be what is he sixteen and three? And

641
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 1: most of that sixteen and three, I mean he's been

642
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: fighting in cage Warriors since what twenty sixteen his tenth

643
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 1: fight or something like that, tenth or eleventh fight. Dude,

644
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 1: that's a ton of experience at a high level show.

645
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 1: Even if they were giving him opponents that you know,

646
00:32:56,520 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 1: we're appropriate for that level of his development. Man, you've

647
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 1: got nearly twenty fights, a lot of them under the

648
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 1: big lights. You've got five round fights under your belt.

649
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 1: You've got fights where you were kind of leading and

650
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 1: then you lost at the end in five rounds, like

651
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 1: against Thornbach and some other ones. Dude, that is like

652
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 1: completely invaluable experience, completely invaluable experience. So listen, does are

653
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 1: there some negatives you could point out? No fighter is perfect?

654
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 1: I tend to think he holds his head up straight,

655
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 1: and he gets hit a lot. He tends to back

656
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 1: out straight. He probably starts a little stronger than he finishes,

657
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 1: at least for now. But at twenty six, to have

658
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:34,959
Speaker 1: that kind of offensive ability, to have that kind of experience,

659
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 1: I would say, let's be cautiously optimistic. I'm not like,

660
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 1: you know, he's not coming out shooting out of the

661
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 1: cannon like you're ready to take on for the title

662
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 1: or you know, to fight. I don't know who the

663
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 1: fuck's in the top ten at one p fifty five,

664
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 1: But but you know, if you're in the UK and

665
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: you're looking at this guy and you're thinking long term,

666
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 1: two three years from now, something like that, I think

667
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:00,959
Speaker 1: there's a lot of reasons to be excited about it.

668
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 1: So don't lose sight of some of the things that

669
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 1: he's still a little raw in terms of working on.

670
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 1: You know, now in the U a UFC, they can

671
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 1: do you some favors with matchmaking a little bit early,

672
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 1: but we all know eventually you got to pull your

673
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 1: own weight. But I would be cautiously optimistic about him,

674
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 1: I really would. I think there's a lot to like

675
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 1: about his experience level, his age, some of the things

676
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 1: he's great at on offense. Just some things that need

677
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 1: to be tightened up in terms of, you know, resource

678
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,320
Speaker 1: management in the course of the fight itself, round a round,

679
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,840
Speaker 1: some defensive striking issues setting up some of his strikes

680
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 1: as well. But very winnable fight for him this weekend,

681
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:41,800
Speaker 1: and another sort of notching the belt in terms of

682
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 1: getting better and better and better for the more difficult

683
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 1: challenges down the line. But yeah, he's interesting. Is there

684
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 1: some way BC can be physically and psychologically punished for

685
00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 1: talking about WWE for almost half an hour last week? Yeah,

686
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 1: we shouldn't do that anymore. But you know, listen, the

687
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 1: guy had to carry the show solo for a long time.

688
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 1: So what are gonna do. You're gonna beat up on

689
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: your partner for it? I mean, he had to do

690
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: what he had to do. It's not what I would do.

691
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:16,359
Speaker 1: I don't I don't want to talk pro wrestling if

692
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 1: we don't have to. But what are you gonna do?

693
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 1: Poor guy had to do it by himself for a

694
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 1: long time. It's not as easy as it looks, man,

695
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 1: not as easy as it looks. All right? Do you

696
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 1: think that if a fight promotion was created that openly

697
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 1: accepted the use of peds that it would attract a

698
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 1: lot of fighters and also give birth to a roster

699
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 1: of enhanced athletes that fans would enjoy watching. Well, we

700
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 1: sort of already had that, right, That's what pride was.

701
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we can sort of ask that

702
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 1: question with a pretty strong affirmative to yes. Although in

703
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 1: the modern age would that fly? I tend to think

704
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 1: that it would. I mean what you basically see from

705
00:35:56,480 --> 00:36:01,240
Speaker 1: promotions outside of UFC who used you, Sada, is they'll

706
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: make some kind of overture to drug testing. I think,

707
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know what the fuck what one does,

708
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 1: but you know, Bell Tore says, we rely on you know,

709
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 1: the Mehgan Athletic Commission and State Athletic Emission Testing and

710
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah blah, where you know they have

711
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 1: enough of a public nod towards policing in some kind

712
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: of way drug use or illicit drug use anyway.

713
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:26,800
Speaker 2: And.

714
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,399
Speaker 1: That you know, serves as enough of a defense for

715
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:32,359
Speaker 1: any kind of public criticism. And then the fans don't

716
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:34,360
Speaker 1: really seem to care much beyond that, and so you

717
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,840
Speaker 1: just go along your way, which kind of gets to

718
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 1: what you're taking. I don't know if you're gonna get one.

719
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 1: That's like, we love steroids coming here. If you want

720
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 1: to take steroid, I don't know if you're gonna be

721
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,959
Speaker 1: able to do that exactly. That would probably bring yes controversy.

722
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 1: But then if you had some kind of safety issue,

723
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 1: you know, you might get whether or not it's related

724
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 1: at all, you would still you just wouldn't want to

725
00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 1: dare the system that way. I mean, this is the

726
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 1: point I've made previously, and I promise someone going along rant.

727
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 1: But this is sort of the argument that I've always

728
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 1: made about or at least I don't know if I've

729
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 1: always made it, but it's retainly the position I adopt today,

730
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 1: which is, I understand if there's a group of athletes,

731
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 1: particularly high level ones who don't want to take drugs

732
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:16,760
Speaker 1: to compete, especially if there's an institution, and other athletes

733
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 1: of a like minded sort who want to compete in

734
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 1: that space. What I don't understand in the argument for

735
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 1: is well right as an observer, and I see another

736
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 1: group that they don't at all mind taking it. There

737
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 1: are still some health protocols involved about monitoring their overall health.

738
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 1: They don't care about it. They're all in agreement about it,

739
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 1: they understand about it, and you know, they all still

740
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 1: train like absolute fucking savages for whatever the particular contest

741
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 1: might be. Why am I asked to say that that

742
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 1: is bad? My whole entire argument about drugs is that

743
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 1: do drugs play a critical role in all aspects of

744
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 1: our lives. They play a critical role in childbirth, They

745
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 1: play a critical role in constant that play a critical

746
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 1: role in treating, in some cases depression or other kinds

747
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 1: of mood and psychological disorders. They play all kinds of

748
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:09,839
Speaker 1: roles in killing off of bacteria. They play all kinds

749
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 1: of roles in enjoying art and music. More, they have

750
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 1: a role to play in everything. It is impossible for

751
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 1: me to believe that the only role for drugs that

752
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:23,319
Speaker 1: enhance performance in sports is to banish them. I just

753
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 1: don't believe that. I don't believe that is true. I

754
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 1: don't believe that's what people want. I don't believe that

755
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:29,839
Speaker 1: is in any way bad for sports. I don't believe

756
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:33,240
Speaker 1: that is harmful to athletes anymore than I mean, professional

757
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 1: sports has really nothing to do with health and safety.

758
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 1: It has everything to do with extreme and elite forms

759
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 1: of competition that can be quite bad for you over time. So,

760
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 1: you know, can you go out there and openly, flagrantly

761
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 1: say that we don't care about these kinds of things,

762
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 1: I think you invite the kind of scrutiny that might

763
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,800
Speaker 1: get you shut down, especially if you're in fight sports.

764
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 1: But ultimately, at some point, I think folks need to

765
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 1: reconcile that. You know, again, in strength sports is sort

766
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 1: of the easiest one to commonly go to. We already

767
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 1: have a test case where we have tested and untested federations,

768
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 1: things for amateurs, things for pros, things for folks who

769
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 1: don't want to take drugs, enough for folks who do,

770
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 1: And it's all great. The sky didn't fall. All of

771
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 1: those dire warnings about what was going to happen. None

772
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 1: of it did. So I think what we have to

773
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:26,760
Speaker 1: do is just wrestle with the idea that the drugs

774
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 1: do have a role to play in sports, not for

775
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 1: everyone all the time, but the idea that the only

776
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 1: role for drugs that meaningfully enhance performance in sports is

777
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 1: prohibition seems quite obviously ludicrous. It just seems totally ludicrous. Okay.

778
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 1: I mean, there's not much I can say about this either,

779
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 1: but I'll at least address it. Did you see Ariel

780
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 1: talking shit about Brendan. We spelled Brendan wrong. That's between them, bro,

781
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:58,320
Speaker 1: that's between them. I've got my issues. I can barely

782
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 1: manage my own affairs. You all want to get involve

783
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 1: than that. Like, let them handle it, let them figure

784
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 1: it out. They're two grown men. They'll be fine or

785
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 1: they won't be, but it'll be that's between them. Uh. Look,

786
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:18,280
Speaker 1: could you bring up Barbos's resume? I think it's quiet

787
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 1: quite You spoke quite wrong. Underappreciated the list of names

788
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:24,239
Speaker 1: he has fought. He may not have fought them, or

789
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 1: he may not have won them all, but when you

790
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 1: see the names, he has fought the who's who and

791
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 1: never shied away from any bad stylistic matchups for an

792
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:35,840
Speaker 1: entire decade, almost through different waves and eras, and he's

793
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 1: still in there at the weekend with another up and

794
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 1: coming killer. Yeah, so I've actually done this exercise before.

795
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 1: You know, Eddie Alvarez is another guy who just fought

796
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 1: absolute fucking monsters. But look at this. This is Edson

797
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 1: Barbos's resume, and again he didn't win. Excuse me a

798
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 1: lot of these, but this is who he has fought.

799
00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 1: I remember his debut too, when he beat I think

800
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 1: it was Meg Hendrison. Hendrix is like brother or something,

801
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:07,879
Speaker 1: half brother, something like that. Okay, So here's he made

802
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,359
Speaker 1: his UFC debut in November of twenty ten. He beat

803
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 1: Michael Lula was the guy's name. Then he beat Anthony Jerkawani,

804
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 1: who is just fucking him very good, Ross Pearson, Terry Adam.

805
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 1: He lost to Jamie Varner. Okay, but he fought Jamie

806
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 1: Varner and that was Jamie Arner back in twenty twelve.

807
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:23,800
Speaker 1: He was still pretty good. Then he beat Lucas martinz

808
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 1: Hafelo Olivera, who they call Tractor at the time, beat

809
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:30,840
Speaker 1: Danny Castillo, who was a very good fighter for WEC

810
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 1: and then Team Alpha Male lost to Don Seroni, then

811
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:35,800
Speaker 1: beat Evan Dunham beat Bobby Green, lost to Michael Johnson,

812
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,839
Speaker 1: beat Paul Felder, lost to Tony Ferguson beat Pattis beat

813
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 1: Melndez beat Darius, lost to Habib, lost to Kevin Lee,

814
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 1: beat Dan Hooker, lost to Gaechie, lost to Felder, lost

815
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 1: to Egay, beat i'm Rkanni, then Burgos and Chicazi. So

816
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna read these names one more time, just so

817
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 1: it's very clear. This is who he's fought, who he

818
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:56,800
Speaker 1: stood against, the cage against n Ji Kawanie, Pearson, Adam Varner,

819
00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 1: martinz Olivera, Castillo, Saroni, Dunham, Green, Johnson, Felder, Ferguson, Pettis, Melendez,

820
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 1: Daryush Nurmaga, made A, Lee, Hooker, Gaechie, Felder, Ega, I'merkani,

821
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 1: and Burgos and Chikazi. Dude a fucking murderers row. Tell

822
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 1: me the year he had an off year in the

823
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 1: sense of an easy competition. Tell me the year he

824
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:22,839
Speaker 1: got to like kick his feet up, I mean justin

825
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,720
Speaker 1: and then how many times, like you know, let's count

826
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 1: these one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven,

827
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 1: of the night bonuses. I mean just you know, win

828
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 1: or lose, incredible, commitment to facing the best of his generation,

829
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,919
Speaker 1: incredible and you know, forced into that position in many

830
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 1: ways by his sort of perennial top contender status and

831
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 1: the way that the UFC matchmakes. I understand that, like

832
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:54,760
Speaker 1: some of this is hard to say no to, but dude,

833
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 1: the guy did it. The guy made the walk. The

834
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 1: guy And what are you gonna say he didn't try

835
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 1: to win every fight he was any fucking tried to

836
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 1: win every fight he was in. Just I have so

837
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 1: much respect for the kind of guy Atson barboss, with

838
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 1: the kind of competitor that he elects to be for

839
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 1: the road that he has had to walk. Here is

840
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,240
Speaker 1: another guy who probably you know, he's probably not gonna

841
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 1: ever hoist UFC gold, but boy, he put on unbelievable

842
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 1: performances and I know he's not done. I'm just saying, like,

843
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 1: and he took tough losses and he made incredible sacrifices.

844
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 1: I mean, what he has sacrificed on the altar of

845
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:38,799
Speaker 1: athletic greatness. I use that term all the time is

846
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 1: just it's so formidable. It's so formidable. I have I have.

847
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:45,840
Speaker 1: I have profound respect for a guy like him, and

848
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 1: I think every fight fan should. This is what it means, like,

849
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 1: you got to walk that walk as a fan man.

850
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 1: I mean, if you want to be that guy who's like,

851
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 1: you know, losses in them they don't mean as much. Well, dude,

852
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 1: you got to put that. You got to put make

853
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 1: sure that that reverence for him is still maintained. And

854
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 1: you have to you have to be that guy who

855
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 1: holds that reverence. You have to you have to articulate,

856
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 1: you have to live it in a way. You can't

857
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 1: just be. You know, that's only the champions that I like.

858
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 1: And then he kind of loses fights. Well yeah, dude,

859
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:20,760
Speaker 1: like it's gonna be hard to win all the fights

860
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 1: that guy's been in. I don't care who you are.

861
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:30,800
Speaker 1: So a special guy who won't show up in certain

862
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 1: ways in which we assess greatness. You know, we can't

863
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,720
Speaker 1: talk about his many title defenses. We can't talk about,

864
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 1: you know, the time he beat the number one guy

865
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 1: in the world and got a belt wrapped around his way,

866
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 1: So we can't do that, but we can do a

867
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 1: lot of other things that tell you this guy had

868
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 1: incredible wins, noteworthy losses, but an unbelievable resume of who

869
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:52,479
Speaker 1: he was willing to face off with win or lose,

870
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 1: and that that to me, counts for a lot. Have

871
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 1: you considered doing an AMA on the Reddit MMA three?

872
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 1: Anytime U b CRMK show up on there, it's almost

873
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:04,800
Speaker 1: flooded with positive comments. I think it would be a

874
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:06,399
Speaker 1: good way to pick up some new fans. I've done

875
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 1: one before. I did one years and years ago. If

876
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 1: there is a market for another one, I'd be happy

877
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 1: to If not, that's okay too. So yeah, I'd be

878
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 1: happy to do it. But I'm not like, oh, I

879
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 1: need to do one. I've already done one. It Actually

880
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 1: it probably be better if BC did one, to be

881
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:23,279
Speaker 1: quite candid with you, because I've already I've already done one.

882
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 1: Maybe it's time for to let him try. Did Showtime

883
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 1: contact you regarding Ariel joining the broadcast or did it

884
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 1: just kind of happen without your knowledge? No, they of

885
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 1: course kept me in the loop about everything you gott understand. Like,

886
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 1: I there's there's divisions within the company, right, so, like

887
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 1: one of them would be the digital side. I report

888
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 1: to the digital side that's on the TV side. Like

889
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 1: there's a different level of executives. There's a different level

890
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 1: of decision making. There's some overlap between them. I'm sure

891
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 1: you've seen that to a degree. But but yeah, of

892
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 1: course they kept me, dude, Showtime, y'all want me to

893
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 1: say bad things about them or something, It's not gonna happened, dude,

894
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 1: Like I've never who in my life has done for

895
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 1: me in two years. And again Serious XM took very

896
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:11,799
Speaker 1: good care of me. But just in terms of like,

897
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 1: so I have nothing bad to say about Serious XM. Ever,

898
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 1: I couldn't encourage you to purchase their services more. And

899
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 1: if you give a chance for work for them, go

900
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 1: do it, Like that's the kind of company that it is.

901
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 1: But just in terms of two years, who has done

902
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 1: more in Showtime? And I gotta give CBS Sports credit

903
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 1: as well, Like you guys have never seen me have

904
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 1: a two year run like this, because they don't. They

905
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:34,239
Speaker 1: they're not They're not amateurs, man, they know what they're doing.

906
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 1: And yeah, of course they kept me in the loop.

907
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 1: And but I work on a slightly different side of

908
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 1: the operations, and again there is some overlap. But second question,

909
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 1: what did you think of his performance as a commentator,

910
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 1: postfight interview. Didn't hear much of the commentary because we

911
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 1: were in a place where we couldn't hear it. For

912
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 1: as about I did the post fight show afterwards, Well,

913
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 1: we were kind of it was low we were talking,

914
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 1: But I did see some of the post fight interviews,

915
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 1: especially after the fact online some of the other ones

916
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 1: that were there. Yeah, dude, I mean he's you know,

917
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 1: arials and experienced broadcaster, right, I mean, and you know

918
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: he works hard like this, not that these jobs are easy,

919
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:13,359
Speaker 1: but you know he's not going to fuck these up

920
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 1: or something. So you know, have you seen Aerial do

921
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 1: post post or have you seen early earlier interview guys before, Like,

922
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 1: you know, they're not going to be of a low standard.

923
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 1: It's going to be a high standard of quality there. Okay,

924
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:40,760
Speaker 1: some of these have how much weight would the Supreme

925
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 1: Courts ruling in favor of student athletes versus NC doua uh?

926
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 1: In regards to the UFC fighters lawsuit, I don't think

927
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 1: it has anything to do with it. There have more

928
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:58,320
Speaker 1: questions about Aerols when asking about how does that affect

929
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 1: you NBC, I don't think it does. I'm sure he'll

930
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 1: be back for assignments but you know, I think that

931
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 1: was a one off. And again, we work for digital,

932
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 1: so I expect to see him, you know, at some

933
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 1: point down the line, I'm sure. And if not, you know,

934
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:17,719
Speaker 1: Cleveland was a great opportunity to do what we did.

935
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 1: So but like dude, B and BC have work like

936
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 1: we're fine. We're completely fine. In fact, you know, we

937
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 1: have our own like house cleaning in terms of like

938
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 1: the way August went when we just didn't keep everyone

939
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 1: informed and the shows are kind of fucked up and

940
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 1: like I could feel everything kind of getting dragged down.

941
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 1: I can't worry about what other We gotta focus on

942
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 1: our shit. So and also I gotta focus on my

943
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 1: own stuff. Uh, would you and BC ever drink fighter

944
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 1: browed beers on air? If you NBC browderown beers, what

945
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 1: would they be called? That part? I don't know, but

946
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 1: drinking fighter browed beers. I've had Cub Swanson's coffee and

947
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 1: it was awesome. It was really good, really good call.

948
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 1: I couldn't In fact, I was actually shocked. I remember

949
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:04,839
Speaker 1: being like, holy fuck, the Cub did this one right, man.

950
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 1: So it's very good. More question about Afghanistan than the

951
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 1: skip out of ya ear Zabeat and Hamzat. Which one

952
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 1: is going to have the better comeback. I don't know

953
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:28,399
Speaker 1: if it is going to have a comeback, So it's

954
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:31,880
Speaker 1: be between Yair and Humzad. I'm gonna say Hamzat because

955
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 1: I think he still has a lot of room to

956
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:42,799
Speaker 1: get better and there's still like there's less known about him,

957
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 1: so there's like a little bit of intrigue in that way. Yeah,

958
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 1: I'll go with I'll go with Hamzad. Luke, I was

959
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:00,400
Speaker 1: wondering if your stance has changed about the crossover celebrity

960
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 1: fights with the rise of Jake Paul the advocacy of

961
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:04,400
Speaker 1: fighter pay being the four form the topic now, I

962
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 1: mean obviously no, not really like and I said this

963
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 1: on Instagram the day after Listen. Man, here's what I think.

964
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:16,879
Speaker 1: It comes down to a couple of things. I would say. One,

965
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:20,799
Speaker 1: when you see the audience at this thing, you know,

966
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:23,919
Speaker 1: what you begin to realize is like I can sort

967
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 1: of see why the boxing institutions are kind of interested.

968
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 1: And it was obviously beginning with it's a young people

969
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 1: say it's a younger Alex younger. It's more than just

970
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:34,240
Speaker 1: being a younger audience, Like, it's a completely different audience,

971
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:37,439
Speaker 1: Like these were not rock ribbed fight fans at all,

972
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 1: and yet they had this like zeal and enthusiasm. And

973
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 1: if you're thinking, like as a fight promoter or you know,

974
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 1: a television entity whoever is in that space to make

975
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:48,879
Speaker 1: some calls about this, you're probably looking at that crowd

976
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 1: and being like, dude, when was boxing ever going to

977
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 1: get this gift of all of a sudden, this completely

978
00:50:56,239 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 1: outside younger demo who is at least in theory vertible

979
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 1: to a you know, a lifelong boxing fan in some

980
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 1: kind of way, When were they ever going to get this? Like,

981
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:11,480
Speaker 1: they didn't engineer this. It fell in their lap. It

982
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 1: fell in their lap because someone sent me a video.

983
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 1: I forget where it was some British guy did. Like

984
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,720
Speaker 1: the best and the worst parts of understanding the YouTube

985
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 1: boxing phenomenon, like sort of where it all came from

986
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 1: and everything due They didn't No one inside boxing planned

987
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 1: this or engineered this. They just got lucky. They just

988
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 1: got lucky that this kind of thing all happened. And

989
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:33,399
Speaker 1: so there's a real question of like can you take this?

990
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:36,399
Speaker 1: So first question, can you take this and make real

991
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:39,359
Speaker 1: money off of it? Obviously, okay, case close you can

992
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 1: make money of it. Now how long that's a lot

993
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 1: that's more debatable. But for the time being, you can

994
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:46,719
Speaker 1: make money of it. So now there's some questions long term,

995
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 1: how sustainable is that? How far can it be pushed?

996
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 1: And then three, like what can be done with this audience?

997
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:53,399
Speaker 1: I will say, and I said this on Instagram, I'm

998
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 1: still skeptical of the idea that these are going to

999
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:59,879
Speaker 1: be people who watch this and then go, huh, what's

1000
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 1: Blood Crawford up to? You know, I'm skeptical of that.

1001
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:06,359
Speaker 1: And then I'm kind of split on the fighting because

1002
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 1: the boxing, if you're a boxing purist, it's bad boxing, right,

1003
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 1: It's not good boxing at all. But the fans still,

1004
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:17,319
Speaker 1: for the time being, still seem to eat it up.

1005
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 1: So like, how much of that is just Jake Paul fandom?

1006
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:23,399
Speaker 1: How much of that is How much of that can

1007
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 1: you take someone who's not been to a box I mean,

1008
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:26,919
Speaker 1: how many of those people who went to that event

1009
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 1: on Cleveland had never been to a boxing fight before?

1010
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 1: Probably a lot, dude, probably a lot. So how many

1011
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 1: of them can you get back to a boxing event

1012
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 1: that doesn't include Jake Paul? And if they like Jake

1013
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 1: Paul level of boxing. You might think as a promoter

1014
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:45,399
Speaker 1: again at television, unto or some other person in between,

1015
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 1: you might think to yourself, Okay, if they like that,

1016
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 1: surely they're gonna like this. And of course those things

1017
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:54,279
Speaker 1: don't work out so neatly, but I can see why

1018
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 1: there is a great degree of enthusiasm. You have access

1019
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 1: to a population that of course is younger, but is

1020
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:04,799
Speaker 1: just completely out, not completely, but in many ways outside

1021
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 1: of the traditional fight fan boxing never planned and it

1022
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:09,759
Speaker 1: came along. But here's the other part about it. And

1023
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:11,719
Speaker 1: I said this to b C on MK, and I

1024
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:15,399
Speaker 1: really believe this is true. I don't. I'm not saying

1025
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:21,760
Speaker 1: Jake Paul wouldn't be where he is in another world.

1026
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:27,239
Speaker 1: But what I am saying is he doesn't exist if

1027
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 1: MMA isn't here and as popular as it is and

1028
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 1: as broken as it is. And what I mean by

1029
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 1: that is, could you who would be who could you

1030
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 1: match Jake Paul up against? That would have provided the

1031
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 1: kind of credibility, however limited in your mind it might be,

1032
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:46,279
Speaker 1: and to me it's very limited. What it means to

1033
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:48,720
Speaker 1: be Tyron Woody and boxing like what that says about

1034
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 1: you as a boxer. It doesn't say a whole lot,

1035
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:53,239
Speaker 1: but I understand from a public perception standpoint, you did

1036
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 1: beat a real athlete, you did get hit really hard,

1037
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 1: and you kind of sort of moved along. Who is

1038
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:01,520
Speaker 1: going to give that to you? If you don't have

1039
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:04,920
Speaker 1: any MMA fighters available to you, you could say, oh,

1040
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:06,399
Speaker 1: you could just get an older boxer, but I don't

1041
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 1: know how that works. The boxer might have to be

1042
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 1: way too old, or he would still be too good,

1043
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 1: and it wouldn't exactly work. And of course you have

1044
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 1: Tommy Fury, but Tommy Fury doesn't have that kind of

1045
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 1: credibility relationship with the boxing audience either or certainly not yet.

1046
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:21,279
Speaker 1: Maybe he will in the future. So like to me,

1047
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 1: it's like, Wow, you've got MMA is got striking, which

1048
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 1: is a cousin any way of boxing. It's never been

1049
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:29,399
Speaker 1: as popular as it is today. And you've got guys

1050
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 1: who are just at the very end of their run athletically,

1051
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 1: and so there's an available talent pool, somewhat narrow, but

1052
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 1: they are available. They offer credibility as athletes and on

1053
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 1: some level as strikers. And then you add in that

1054
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 1: even a guy as decorated as Tyron Woodley, who is

1055
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:49,240
Speaker 1: truly this is not an exaggeration. I've said it all

1056
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 1: last week. One of the greatest welterweights we've ever had,

1057
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:56,440
Speaker 1: welterweight being one of the most difficult divisions in all

1058
00:54:56,480 --> 00:55:02,399
Speaker 1: of MMA, and ye at his best payday came from this.

1059
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:06,240
Speaker 1: You know, you got guys it's under it's under something

1060
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:10,360
Speaker 1: either outright or close to monopolistic control inside of MMA,

1061
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 1: and so you have fighters willing to get into situations that. Yes,

1062
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 1: I do agree that within MMA you get fighters who

1063
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:23,640
Speaker 1: have much more of a martial arts competitive spirit where

1064
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:24,920
Speaker 1: you could say, oh, well, they're only doing this for

1065
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:27,520
Speaker 1: the paycheck. Yeah, but MMA fighters like compete in jiujitsu

1066
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:30,759
Speaker 1: to for either. You know, Luke Rockall tried to. Luke

1067
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:32,840
Speaker 1: Rockall tried to compete in the world, so he got disqualify,

1068
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:34,239
Speaker 1: but like he signed up for that shit. He wasn't

1069
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 1: gonna get rich doing that, you know, he just did that. So, yes,

1070
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:40,279
Speaker 1: there is that spirit of competitiveness. But the reality is

1071
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 1: these guys are underpaid. They are underpaid, and here is

1072
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:46,759
Speaker 1: a situation where they're able to take advantage of certain situations.

1073
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:50,319
Speaker 1: Are certain realities, realities I should say about pay right

1074
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 1: up front. So if MMA is not there and the

1075
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:56,040
Speaker 1: guys aren't as underpaid as they are, who does Jake

1076
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:59,319
Speaker 1: Paul fight to get as far ahead as he has.

1077
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:06,319
Speaker 1: You know, Tyron Woodley was an experienced foil for him.

1078
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:09,439
Speaker 1: You know, they were well contraved. I mean that fight

1079
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 1: was you can say whatever you want about the fight,

1080
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:12,200
Speaker 1: and I didn't like the fight. I thought if I

1081
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:13,880
Speaker 1: was kind of boring, to be honest with you, but

1082
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 1: like the promotion. The promotion of that was fucking first.

1083
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 1: I was a well promoted fight man. Tyrant did an

1084
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:25,120
Speaker 1: incredible job. You could say what you want about Jake, dude,

1085
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 1: the guy is a very I said the same thing

1086
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 1: with Jake. You know, I'm not going to compare him

1087
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 1: to Ortito Ortiz in totality, but here are two guys

1088
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:35,240
Speaker 1: you could easily dismiss. And what I'll say about Ortiz

1089
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:38,359
Speaker 1: too is Ortiz has always been a very very very

1090
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:42,560
Speaker 1: good self promoter, very good natural self promoter. It's how

1091
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 1: he got fucking elected. He had no business being elected,

1092
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:47,440
Speaker 1: but that's how he got elected. He's a very good

1093
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:50,480
Speaker 1: self promoter, dude. Jake Paul's a very very talented self promoter,

1094
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 1: and so I think that's what we just kind of

1095
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:55,840
Speaker 1: have to recognize a little bit. It's like, dude, how

1096
00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:58,160
Speaker 1: would he get here if MMA wasn't around and in

1097
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:02,279
Speaker 1: the state that it's in equal parts popular and equal part.

1098
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:03,839
Speaker 1: I mean, Also, here's the part that people said, why

1099
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:05,719
Speaker 1: don't why don't Why doesn't Jake do the same kind

1100
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:08,799
Speaker 1: of thing inside MMA? Dude, who's he going to get

1101
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 1: access to? Who's he going to get access to? You're

1102
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 1: going to pull in boxers who are kind of at

1103
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:17,640
Speaker 1: the end of their run to go do MMA. I

1104
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 1: don't think it works that way. The boxing industry is

1105
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:24,200
Speaker 1: set up for powerful names to kind of arrange things

1106
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:26,720
Speaker 1: around them and make it work for themselves. He told

1107
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:28,360
Speaker 1: me and Brian to work face. It's more of a

1108
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 1: business than it is a sport. You know, you don't

1109
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 1: get that kind of ability to manage affairs in that

1110
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:36,560
Speaker 1: way with the same kind of latitude inside MMA. But

1111
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:39,200
Speaker 1: you can get all those MMA fighters who bring you

1112
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:41,280
Speaker 1: this credibility even though they're they're the end of the run.

1113
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:43,320
Speaker 1: They may not be that gifted of strikers, but they've

1114
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 1: got all kinds of other athletic credibility. And also they're

1115
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:47,600
Speaker 1: not going to get a pay day like this. They

1116
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:49,960
Speaker 1: don't do this with you, like, dude, like this. It

1117
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:53,000
Speaker 1: doesn't speak well of the It speaks well of the

1118
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 1: state of MMA in the sense of how popular it is,

1119
00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 1: but it does it in terms of what it means

1120
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 1: for athlete compensation and control. But no, like do I

1121
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:13,360
Speaker 1: think the fights are good? Dude? I saw Logan, Paul

1122
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 1: versus Casi. I was there for Paul versus Mayweather. I

1123
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:17,520
Speaker 1: was there for Paul versus would leave. None of them

1124
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:23,400
Speaker 1: were interesting fights, you know, But I don't know what

1125
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 1: that means for the long term of its viability. Best

1126
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:34,080
Speaker 1: concerts you attended before or the band were washed. For example,

1127
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:36,480
Speaker 1: seeing Pantera before the booz and Heroin made Phil sound

1128
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:44,000
Speaker 1: like a gnarly Southern trugger. Best concerts I've been to shit, Well,

1129
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:46,960
Speaker 1: I am washed, But I I right before the pandemic

1130
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:51,520
Speaker 1: I saw. I saw Cannibal Corpse at the at the

1131
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:54,920
Speaker 1: t LA in Philly Living Arts Theater. I think is

1132
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 1: what it's called, Dude. That that show the best way

1133
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 1: I can explain that show. And I was on the

1134
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 1: upper tier with fucking earplugs on. Okay, because I'm old

1135
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:07,560
Speaker 1: and pathetic. Now I get it. I never wore ear

1136
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:09,280
Speaker 1: plugs ever in my life until I had forty, and

1137
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:10,640
Speaker 1: I'm like, fuck that. I'm not trying to go death

1138
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:18,560
Speaker 1: for you know, I come blood. The best way I

1139
00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:21,240
Speaker 1: can explain that is, you know, if you've never sparred,

1140
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:23,800
Speaker 1: I never feel this way. Is just imagine a boxer

1141
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:27,920
Speaker 1: trapped in a corner and he's trying to roll with punches. Dude.

1142
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:30,000
Speaker 1: They don't do a lot of crowd work, and they

1143
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:35,520
Speaker 1: come out and just fucking hammer you song after song

1144
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 1: after song. And their sound is so crisp, and the

1145
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:43,240
Speaker 1: music is so punishing and the pace of the show

1146
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:48,440
Speaker 1: so unrelenting. That is one of the most formative experience

1147
00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:51,360
Speaker 1: I've ever had. But I saw I saw Rage at

1148
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:53,440
Speaker 1: the If you're from the DC area'll know this. I

1149
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:57,400
Speaker 1: saw Rage and Stone Temple, Pilots, Deaftnes, and Cypress Hill

1150
00:59:57,480 --> 00:59:59,680
Speaker 1: all at one show. Slipknot was there as well at

1151
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 1: the two two thousand hf festival. That was a huge

1152
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:06,160
Speaker 1: concert that was here at the time. Rage was just unbelievable.

1153
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:08,400
Speaker 1: I saw Rage with Wu Tang and Rage was good again,

1154
01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:12,800
Speaker 1: but Wu Tang sucked. They were terrible. Although I love

1155
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:15,960
Speaker 1: Wu Tang, but they were bad in the concert? Who

1156
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:16,520
Speaker 1: else have I seen?

1157
01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:16,640
Speaker 2: That?

1158
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:19,160
Speaker 1: Was like really really good. You're gonna laugh at this,

1159
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:20,960
Speaker 1: But if you know anything about like these two, I

1160
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:23,400
Speaker 1: think it's like a brother or sister combo or whatever.

1161
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:28,000
Speaker 1: I'll say it, like a gringo Rodrigo, I Gabriella. Do

1162
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 1: you guys know them? They're fucking cool day. They put

1163
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:33,800
Speaker 1: on an unbelievable show. Who else have I seen?

1164
01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:33,920
Speaker 2: That?

1165
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:39,920
Speaker 1: Was like really great? One of my favorite concerts. Uh,

1166
01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:46,640
Speaker 1: Dying Fetus was really good. Obviously I saw, I saw,

1167
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:51,480
Speaker 1: I saw in Flames, I saw Immolation. They're not my band,

1168
01:00:51,560 --> 01:00:57,000
Speaker 1: but Overkill puts on a good show. I even saw

1169
01:00:57,080 --> 01:01:02,000
Speaker 1: Collective Soul Ones. They weren't terrible. Uh think of like

1170
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:03,600
Speaker 1: all the concerts. Oh you know who I saw that

1171
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:07,920
Speaker 1: was just fucking just bananas. Good Outcast. I saw Outcast

1172
01:01:08,040 --> 01:01:14,280
Speaker 1: at the Hampton Coliseum in Hampton, Virginia, and that was

1173
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:16,560
Speaker 1: a fun show. They were they were good, they were

1174
01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:19,120
Speaker 1: really good. I saw Mob Deep Mob Deep fucking killed it.

1175
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:24,960
Speaker 1: Who else have I seen? That was like really memorable,

1176
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:28,560
Speaker 1: Like wow, man, that was fucking incredible. I saw They're

1177
01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:30,400
Speaker 1: not my I'm not in fact, I'm taking my wife

1178
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:33,440
Speaker 1: this month later on this month, They're not my favorite band.

1179
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:35,440
Speaker 1: In the nineties, there was a bit of a like,

1180
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:37,960
Speaker 1: who do you like more Metallica or Guns n' Roses

1181
01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:41,120
Speaker 1: kind of thing, and from what I can tell, more

1182
01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:43,600
Speaker 1: people at the time said guns n' Roses, but Batallica

1183
01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:46,400
Speaker 1: ended up having I think a bit of a better career, well,

1184
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:49,960
Speaker 1: a longer career anyway. But anyway, they toured a couple

1185
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:52,240
Speaker 1: of summers ago, Guns and Roses did. I saw them

1186
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:59,120
Speaker 1: at at what's the shitty ass Washington Football team stadium FedExField, God,

1187
01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:01,680
Speaker 1: the worst field in them. I saw them there, Dude.

1188
01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:04,439
Speaker 1: They put on a fucking show. Oh you know who

1189
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:07,120
Speaker 1: I saw? I speaking of Phil, I saw him play

1190
01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:10,640
Speaker 1: with Down. They opened for Anthrax. Anthrax wasn't my thing.

1191
01:02:10,680 --> 01:02:12,240
Speaker 1: I don't really get into that shit that much, but

1192
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:16,440
Speaker 1: Down was dude. They they ended their set with bury

1193
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:18,560
Speaker 1: Me and Smoke. If you guys have never heard that,

1194
01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:23,040
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Phil. Phil does sound like a gnarly

1195
01:02:23,120 --> 01:02:26,840
Speaker 1: Southern trucker. Okay, fair enough, but dude, that's a showman

1196
01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:28,600
Speaker 1: right there, Phil and someone and he's you know, I

1197
01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:31,960
Speaker 1: understand everything about the whole Nazi salute, and I you know,

1198
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:35,320
Speaker 1: I get it, but this was before all that. Anyway,

1199
01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:37,400
Speaker 1: they opened for Anthrax and he did that. It was

1200
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:43,360
Speaker 1: unfucking believable how good he was. And uh, anyway, GNR

1201
01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:45,640
Speaker 1: at FedEx on that tour. That was one of the

1202
01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:47,880
Speaker 1: best shows I've ever seen, just because you can appreciate

1203
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:51,840
Speaker 1: when someone knows what they're doing. You know, when there's

1204
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:55,440
Speaker 1: a huge budget and everyone's in sync and they understand

1205
01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:57,880
Speaker 1: what the crowd wants and they know how to deliver it.

1206
01:02:58,040 --> 01:03:00,760
Speaker 1: They are experienced performers. You just couldn't take it away

1207
01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:02,600
Speaker 1: from him. Say, one of the worst concerts I've ever

1208
01:03:02,600 --> 01:03:04,760
Speaker 1: been to. And you know, since Colombia never shows me

1209
01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:06,560
Speaker 1: any love and I do nothing but show them endless

1210
01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:08,560
Speaker 1: amounts of love, I'll give this one back to them.

1211
01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:10,400
Speaker 1: You know what the worst fucking concert is I've been

1212
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:12,480
Speaker 1: to in a while. Again, this was right before the pandemic.

1213
01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:15,920
Speaker 1: So he's something of a hero in Colombia. His name

1214
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:19,200
Speaker 1: is Carlos Vives. If you've never heard of him, you know,

1215
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:21,080
Speaker 1: if you know anybody from Columbia, bring up the name

1216
01:03:21,120 --> 01:03:23,840
Speaker 1: and they'll like get reverence about him and fuck that guy,

1217
01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:25,720
Speaker 1: and you could put that on the on the record.

1218
01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:28,360
Speaker 1: I saw him at Oh. I saw him a the

1219
01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:30,280
Speaker 1: same I'll bring us up. I saw Alison Chains a

1220
01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:34,160
Speaker 1: couple times too. They were pretty good. But Carlos Vives

1221
01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:37,200
Speaker 1: had a show at the New the News. It's like

1222
01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:39,040
Speaker 1: a it seats like five or six thousand. It's right

1223
01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:41,360
Speaker 1: on the water by the wharf. It's called the Anthem.

1224
01:03:41,560 --> 01:03:44,560
Speaker 1: It's a great venue, super cool, brand new, modern like

1225
01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:49,120
Speaker 1: cashless kind of thing. And and I saw him there,

1226
01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:53,040
Speaker 1: and you know, whenever he performs, it's like Colombia National Pride,

1227
01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:55,560
Speaker 1: like people wear like the yellow jerseys and shit, dude,

1228
01:03:55,600 --> 01:03:59,680
Speaker 1: he lip synced the entire thing. So what he would

1229
01:03:59,720 --> 01:04:01,480
Speaker 1: do is he had this giant set, like he has

1230
01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:04,200
Speaker 1: a song with Shakira car Labile, like the bicycle, and

1231
01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:05,840
Speaker 1: he would get on the bicycle and he would ride

1232
01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:08,479
Speaker 1: it around this giant fucking set and then the whole

1233
01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:14,240
Speaker 1: time his songs are just playing on the on the loudspeaker,

1234
01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:15,960
Speaker 1: and then he would grab the mic and be like,

1235
01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:20,360
Speaker 1: you know, in Spanish, like giving instructions to the audience

1236
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:23,400
Speaker 1: like now this side, now this side, and like everyone

1237
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:27,439
Speaker 1: on your feet, you know, and I'm like, wait a second, bro,

1238
01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:30,400
Speaker 1: I paid good money for these tickets. I didn't pay

1239
01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:33,720
Speaker 1: good money to come to like a grand zumba show.

1240
01:04:34,520 --> 01:04:37,080
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not interested in that. I'm here to

1241
01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:39,560
Speaker 1: hear you fucking sing. I've heard a lot about you.

1242
01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:45,360
Speaker 1: I didn't come. I didn't come to hear you fucking lips,

1243
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:48,360
Speaker 1: like not even a try to lip sync, like talking

1244
01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:52,400
Speaker 1: over his own track, singing to the audience, not even

1245
01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:54,600
Speaker 1: trying to make an effort at singing. Yo. That was

1246
01:04:54,640 --> 01:04:56,360
Speaker 1: one of I could not believe. I was like, what

1247
01:04:56,400 --> 01:05:00,200
Speaker 1: a fraud, what a fraud? And he is beloved down there,

1248
01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:02,320
Speaker 1: and his songs are catchy, like they're very catchy. Like

1249
01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:04,479
Speaker 1: you go down there, you can't go five minutes without

1250
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:09,560
Speaker 1: some guy in a cab playing his stuff. But bro,

1251
01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:12,240
Speaker 1: if you're gonna charge seventy five dollars for a ticket,

1252
01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:14,840
Speaker 1: you better fucking sing. And if you can't sing, then

1253
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:16,400
Speaker 1: call off the show. I don't need to go out

1254
01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:20,480
Speaker 1: there to go and like get instructions on stomp with

1255
01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:23,200
Speaker 1: my left foot. Eat shit, how about you sing and

1256
01:05:23,240 --> 01:05:27,640
Speaker 1: I'll sit right. Here's your seventy five bucks. Okay, thank you?

1257
01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:31,760
Speaker 1: So fuck that guy. Don't ever go see him. Waste

1258
01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:43,280
Speaker 1: of your time. It sounds like BC and yourself have

1259
01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:46,560
Speaker 1: been alluding to some trouble in Paradise between MK and showtime. No,

1260
01:05:47,560 --> 01:05:50,040
Speaker 1: can you elaborate this? Or am I reading the subtext wrong? Yeah,

1261
01:05:50,040 --> 01:05:53,960
Speaker 1: you're reading the subtext wrong. There's dude, No, there's none

1262
01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:54,200
Speaker 1: of that.

1263
01:05:56,200 --> 01:06:05,440
Speaker 2: Umm, let's put who are your top ten MMA commentary

1264
01:06:05,560 --> 01:06:06,960
Speaker 2: analysts pastor present?

1265
01:06:07,880 --> 01:06:09,400
Speaker 1: If I can name ten, but I can tell you

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01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:13,520
Speaker 1: who I like a lot commentary. You mean like people

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Speaker 1: on TV. I'll just tell you who I like, whose

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Speaker 1: opinions I respect a lot, And if I don't name them,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't mean I don't. It just means like who

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Speaker 1: am I regular go to is? BJJ Scout is obviously

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Speaker 1: one of my most important favorite ones. I love him.

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Speaker 1: I think Dan Hardy's great, Honestly, I just talked about it.

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Speaker 1: Tyren Woodley, dude, Tyron Woodley. He hasn't done the commentary

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Speaker 1: thing like in the booth calling a UFC fight Whenever

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Speaker 1: they ask him in the studio. I always find his

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Speaker 1: analysis really, really sharp. Laura Sanko's good. I like Dan

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Speaker 1: tom Over at MMA Junkie. I think he's sharp. The

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Speaker 1: Weasel's good. There's a bunch of new guys on YouTube.

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Speaker 1: I haven't seen in a while since I've kind of like,

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01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:53,720
Speaker 1: you know, checked out a little bit that I've been backed.

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Speaker 1: I don't know all of their names, but you can

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Speaker 1: get some pretty good analysis there. You know, Anton tab Over,

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01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:03,960
Speaker 1: Bloody Elbo had a good piece today. Actually, Connor Rebush

1284
01:07:04,040 --> 01:07:07,960
Speaker 1: is good. The whole Heavy Hands crew. I know they

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01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:10,160
Speaker 1: get bitter with Brian, but you know they're good. They're

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Speaker 1: good at what they do. Those are the ones I yeah,

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Speaker 1: And obviously, dude, you guys might not be paying attention

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Speaker 1: to this man. But BJJ Fanatics I talk about this

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Speaker 1: place all the time because it's just it's just I

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Speaker 1: can't I can't explain you how good it is. BJJ

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Speaker 1: Fanatics is this site that started out being like, oh,

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01:07:33,680 --> 01:07:36,000
Speaker 1: we've got Hamalo Bahall, who's gonna teach how he does

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Speaker 1: like the knee cut pass and shit like that. And

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01:07:38,280 --> 01:07:40,080
Speaker 1: then it kind of expanded a little bit past that

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01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:42,040
Speaker 1: to like some no Gee stuff and then rest. I

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Speaker 1: don't know exactly how they expanded their content, but I

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01:07:44,360 --> 01:07:46,960
Speaker 1: can just tell you it started out very very heavy intensive,

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01:07:47,560 --> 01:07:50,800
Speaker 1: like oh, how do you you know attacks from reverse

1299
01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:54,040
Speaker 1: de la Diva, very inside the weeds and that stuff.

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Speaker 1: Still very much exists more and actually now more than ever.

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Speaker 1: But but but here's the key. They have expanded their

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Speaker 1: reach and so they do a lot of no ge stuff.

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01:08:04,240 --> 01:08:06,360
Speaker 1: They now do. They have striking fanatics, and they've got

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01:08:06,560 --> 01:08:09,600
Speaker 1: tons of different instructionals in there. And now they've got

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01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:13,200
Speaker 1: They've got Steven Neil, the guy who beat brock Lesner

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01:08:13,960 --> 01:08:17,320
Speaker 1: in wrestling but then went on to or whatever the

1307
01:08:17,360 --> 01:08:18,760
Speaker 1: fuck he did. I think he beat Brooklyns or Rest,

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01:08:18,800 --> 01:08:20,240
Speaker 1: whatever the story is, but then he went on and

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01:08:20,280 --> 01:08:24,840
Speaker 1: played for the New England Patriots. He's got an instructional

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Speaker 1: in there now. Dude, I cannot overstate this. There is

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01:08:29,479 --> 01:08:33,479
Speaker 1: just an absolute avalanche that has happened in the last

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Speaker 1: couple of years, it feels like, and maybe even the

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Speaker 1: last year over at BJJ fanatics, including that Trevor Whitman

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01:08:39,040 --> 01:08:42,040
Speaker 1: stuff that he's got going on. Who else has stuff

1315
01:08:42,040 --> 01:08:46,439
Speaker 1: on there, Brandon Gibson's got stuff. It's it's endlessen Habib's

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01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:49,080
Speaker 1: got one of their I'm almost done watching it. Why

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Speaker 1: do I bring this up? It is as if the

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Speaker 1: best way I can explain it is I one time

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01:08:54,920 --> 01:08:56,599
Speaker 1: went to a seminar I won't say who it was,

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Speaker 1: and it was not great and I didn't like it

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Speaker 1: at all. I thought it was a I wasted my time.

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01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:02,040
Speaker 1: And I was talking to one of my friends, who

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01:09:02,600 --> 01:09:06,080
Speaker 1: you know, is a black belt instructor, and he was like, listen, man, yeah,

1324
01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:07,800
Speaker 1: sometimes that happens. Like you're not gonna like them all,

1325
01:09:07,920 --> 01:09:10,280
Speaker 1: just go if you think it's gonna have value, And

1326
01:09:10,320 --> 01:09:12,679
Speaker 1: even the ones you like, you won't remember everything from there,

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01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:14,880
Speaker 1: but at least to go. I'm not telling you all

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01:09:14,920 --> 01:09:16,880
Speaker 1: the videos they put out are everything you're gonna love,

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01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:18,559
Speaker 1: But what I am saying is it's the closest thing

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01:09:18,560 --> 01:09:20,920
Speaker 1: I've ever seen to like, hey, how could you pay

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01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:22,880
Speaker 1: money to go to a seminar? And in many cases

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01:09:23,280 --> 01:09:26,559
Speaker 1: you get a lot more than you from the Fanatics

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01:09:26,600 --> 01:09:28,760
Speaker 1: video than you would a seminar. And it's not totally true,

1334
01:09:28,760 --> 01:09:33,479
Speaker 1: but like, dude, Gordon Ryan has like comprehensively broken down

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01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:35,760
Speaker 1: his game in ways that you like. Take it takes

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01:09:35,800 --> 01:09:38,000
Speaker 1: eight hours to record, You're not going to eight hour seminars.

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01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:41,320
Speaker 1: You're going to like three hour seminars. You know that's it. Man.

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01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:44,759
Speaker 1: If y'all are not on the whole b today Striking

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01:09:44,760 --> 01:09:48,880
Speaker 1: Fanatics bandwagon, yet, dude, get over there. You're asking about, like,

1340
01:09:48,920 --> 01:09:51,479
Speaker 1: you know, top ten analysts. That's not analytical work per se,

1341
01:09:52,320 --> 01:09:54,280
Speaker 1: but just in terms of how much you can improve

1342
01:09:54,320 --> 01:09:56,400
Speaker 1: your stuff. It's not a substitute for training and it

1343
01:09:56,400 --> 01:09:59,880
Speaker 1: never will be, but as a way to augment your understanding,

1344
01:10:00,120 --> 01:10:03,880
Speaker 1: it will do wonders for you just as a fan

1345
01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:06,280
Speaker 1: in terms of being able to watch stuff. So, you know,

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Speaker 1: I mentioned the guys who I like, but I just

1347
01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:10,439
Speaker 1: can't say enough good things about what they're doing over

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01:10:10,479 --> 01:10:22,280
Speaker 1: they're the fanatics people. Oh lord, do you want to

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Speaker 1: get into Rogan using ivermectin. I don't know what to say.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's disappointing. Well for first his first obviously,

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01:10:34,840 --> 01:10:37,000
Speaker 1: I hope he's okay. I mean that's you know, it

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01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:39,080
Speaker 1: sounds like he is, sounds like he is, sounds like

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01:10:39,080 --> 01:10:41,439
Speaker 1: he's fine. I mean, that's I'm not one of these dude.

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Speaker 1: Have you seen these fucking like radio hosts. These he's

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01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:46,360
Speaker 1: like super conservative radio host who are like, I'm anti vaccine,

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01:10:46,439 --> 01:10:48,599
Speaker 1: Like they're kind of in her sixties and shit, some

1357
01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:50,040
Speaker 1: of them were like out of shape and whatever. And

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01:10:50,080 --> 01:10:52,760
Speaker 1: then they get COVID and they fucking die, right, and

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01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:54,360
Speaker 1: then you look at their last tweet, and a lot

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01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:56,520
Speaker 1: of times their last tweet was like a little bit incendiary,

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01:10:57,520 --> 01:11:01,040
Speaker 1: and dude, they'll be like, I'm not joking, foulzons of

1362
01:11:01,200 --> 01:11:06,200
Speaker 1: people filling up their mentions just fucking dancing on their graves. Look, man,

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Speaker 1: I'm not a guy to like mince words about how

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Speaker 1: frankly just irresponsible. I think some of the stuff those

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01:11:12,160 --> 01:11:16,000
Speaker 1: guys said were but I can't bring it to I

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Speaker 1: just can't go and do that. I can't. I can't.

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Speaker 1: I mean I can. You know, when evil people die,

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Speaker 1: I get it, But like, A, are they that? And

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Speaker 1: B just seems so ghoulish to go do something like that.

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Speaker 1: So like when I hear about someone who either is

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Speaker 1: vax or not and they're in the hospital and they're sick,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't matter to me, Like the first thing I

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Speaker 1: want for something to get sick. Now he's not in

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Speaker 1: the hospital, of course, excuse again, he seems to be

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Speaker 1: quite fine. And the reality is, I understand some of

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Speaker 1: the folks who have said, hey, listen, it's not responsible

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Speaker 1: for the media to present apermectin as strictly a horse

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Speaker 1: paced the wormer. It actually has a long history as

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Speaker 1: in anti parasite in humans, although in a different doses,

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01:11:56,560 --> 01:11:59,400
Speaker 1: in a different kind of way. But that's true. It

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01:11:59,439 --> 01:12:02,240
Speaker 1: obviously does have that role, but like it has no

1382
01:12:02,479 --> 01:12:06,280
Speaker 1: known properties as something that attacks parasites to attack and

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01:12:06,360 --> 01:12:10,320
Speaker 1: be good as an anti viral. I realized that there

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01:12:10,320 --> 01:12:11,680
Speaker 1: are studies that are about to tell us one way

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01:12:11,720 --> 01:12:13,799
Speaker 1: or the other whether that works or not. I understand,

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Speaker 1: So we'll see, you know, But it feels to me

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01:12:17,240 --> 01:12:21,680
Speaker 1: very much like this is, you know, hydro It was

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01:12:21,720 --> 01:12:29,280
Speaker 1: a hydroxychloroquin take two a little bit. But you know,

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Speaker 1: can I say definitively that ivermectin doesn't work? Of course

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Speaker 1: I cannot say that. I can say that the existing

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Speaker 1: evidence doesn't tell us that it does. But we'll see

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Speaker 1: if additional studies either support or refute those claims. Still,

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Speaker 1: you know, you guys know my opinion on this. The

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Speaker 1: vaccine and at least in terms of the consumer is

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01:12:44,840 --> 01:12:48,880
Speaker 1: free and whatever else one wants to say about the

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Speaker 1: values of ivermectin, there is no evidence, certainly that it

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Speaker 1: is even close to being as powerful as the m

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Speaker 1: RNA vaccines. The only thing I would say, and this

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Speaker 1: is just an argument for folks who have tried to

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Speaker 1: be like, oh, I don't need the vaccine because there's like,

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Speaker 1: there's some people like, oh, the vaccine is the most

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Speaker 1: evil thing in the world. I don't know what to

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01:13:05,320 --> 01:13:07,080
Speaker 1: say to those folks. And then I see a lot

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01:13:07,080 --> 01:13:09,599
Speaker 1: of folks actually inside MMA who don't adopt that position.

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01:13:09,640 --> 01:13:12,160
Speaker 1: The position that they adopt is, Hey, if you want

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01:13:12,200 --> 01:13:15,800
Speaker 1: to get the shot, that's cool. It's not for me. Now,

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Speaker 1: I disagree with that, but I think you can work

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Speaker 1: with somebody for the most part on that. Actually, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I have some real substantive disagreements with that, but I

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Speaker 1: don't consider that to be like hard coriantive acts because

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01:13:26,360 --> 01:13:29,000
Speaker 1: I think Rogan even said, like his parents were vaccinated.

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01:13:29,000 --> 01:13:30,240
Speaker 1: He didn't seem to have problem with that, Like he

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01:13:30,240 --> 01:13:32,760
Speaker 1: didn't think it was unsafe. It just he didn't want

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01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:34,640
Speaker 1: to take it. But here's the only thing that I

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Speaker 1: would say is a challenge to the argument about let's

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Speaker 1: assume for the record, I don't know that this is

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Speaker 1: the case. In fact, A pretty sure it's not the case.

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Speaker 1: In fact, I'm pretty sure everything Rogan has said he

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Speaker 1: took in that video combined isn't even close to being

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Speaker 1: as powerful as the Maderna vaccine that I took But

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Speaker 1: let's sort of make an argument here. Let's assume that

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Speaker 1: they're equally equivalent. Right, Let's assume that you can't actually

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Speaker 1: make the argument that what he has done, and I

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01:14:00,160 --> 01:14:02,519
Speaker 1: would tell him this if he asked, you can't actually

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01:14:02,520 --> 01:14:04,479
Speaker 1: make the argument that that is a better way to

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01:14:04,520 --> 01:14:08,720
Speaker 1: go about it if what you're talking about is scalable

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01:14:08,760 --> 01:14:13,280
Speaker 1: solutions for the broader society, right, the broader society has

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01:14:13,320 --> 01:14:18,960
Speaker 1: to have access immediately to the monoclonal antibodies, to you know,

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Speaker 1: to ivermectin, to the z pac, to all the things

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Speaker 1: he listed, and you know he also talks about, like daily,

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01:14:25,360 --> 01:14:27,720
Speaker 1: all the things he has to take to you know,

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01:14:28,080 --> 01:14:29,760
Speaker 1: keep his body in a position to either fight it

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Speaker 1: off or prevent it outright, Dude, that's a lot of work.

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Speaker 1: That's a lot of work about things you have to

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Speaker 1: take every single day. And then once you get sick,

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01:14:40,360 --> 01:14:42,800
Speaker 1: the immediacy of the access to care, you might have

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Speaker 1: the kind of the lack of impediment to financial resources

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Speaker 1: to bring that to bear. Like it's if you have

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Speaker 1: Joe Rogan's resources, perhaps you could make an argument that

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01:14:54,720 --> 01:14:58,760
Speaker 1: the way in which he has handled it is probably okay. Again,

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01:14:58,800 --> 01:15:00,360
Speaker 1: I don't even know if that's true. But again, for

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Speaker 1: the sake of argument, he is a person given the

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01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:07,200
Speaker 1: resources in time and sort of the commitment to his

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01:15:07,360 --> 01:15:09,840
Speaker 1: version of health and fitness that he can bring about.

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01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:13,479
Speaker 1: But that's not scalable at all. You couldn't You could

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Speaker 1: never ask broadly of society for people who live, you know,

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01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:21,360
Speaker 1: in remote places, for people who have I reme remember

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Speaker 1: there's been a decline in the last ongoing but there's

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Speaker 1: been a major decline in terms of access to rural

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01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:29,439
Speaker 1: hospitals for pops like who live in West Virginia or

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Speaker 1: in other places like that. There is just a lack

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01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:36,400
Speaker 1: of money. There's a lack of to to afford these things.

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01:15:36,439 --> 01:15:38,680
Speaker 1: There is a question about, you know, how do you

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01:15:38,680 --> 01:15:41,240
Speaker 1: get effective dosing for the kind of ivermectin that goes

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01:15:41,240 --> 01:15:43,760
Speaker 1: to people versus the kind that goes to horses. This

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Speaker 1: is not scalable. It's not You can maybe argue that

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Speaker 1: the individual person here or there could do that. Again,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if that's true, but I'm at least

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Speaker 1: at this juncture without further evidence about ivermectin, at least

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Speaker 1: wanting to entertain that as a possibility. But it's not

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Speaker 1: a scalable. So this is the thing I always come

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Speaker 1: back to with folks about this. It's like, dude, what

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna I promise I will leave this alone

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Speaker 1: after this. I promised, I promise. But the thing I

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Speaker 1: just want you to and I'm trying to make an

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Speaker 1: argument in good faith, I swear to God. The thing

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Speaker 1: I want folks to understand is if you're going to

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Speaker 1: say we're gonna so we can all agree one thing.

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Speaker 1: COVID's here, right, It's not going away in terms of

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01:16:24,360 --> 01:16:26,320
Speaker 1: like you know, HIV is here, it's not going away.

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Speaker 1: And to an extent, even measles is here, right, it's

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01:16:28,560 --> 01:16:30,760
Speaker 1: not going away. But these things can be suppressed with

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01:16:30,800 --> 01:16:33,120
Speaker 1: the kinds of interventions that we have introduced, and they're

1474
01:16:33,120 --> 01:16:35,639
Speaker 1: all very different. Obviously, you can get the MMR shot.

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01:16:35,760 --> 01:16:36,960
Speaker 1: I got one as a kid. I think I've had

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01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:39,200
Speaker 1: a booster since then. However, it works. But I'm up

1477
01:16:39,240 --> 01:16:41,839
Speaker 1: to date on my vaccinations for measles, mumps, and rubella,

1478
01:16:43,320 --> 01:16:45,560
Speaker 1: you know, and everything. I got a bunch of vaccinations

1479
01:16:45,560 --> 01:16:48,320
Speaker 1: in the military and blah blah blah. The thing you

1480
01:16:48,360 --> 01:16:50,639
Speaker 1: have to ask yourself is if you're going to say

1481
01:16:50,760 --> 01:16:53,920
Speaker 1: we can adopt things broadly at scale, some kind of

1482
01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:58,640
Speaker 1: intervention to make an impact at not eliminating COVID, but

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01:16:58,720 --> 01:17:02,760
Speaker 1: controlling it meaningfully so that our hospitals are not overrun.

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01:17:03,360 --> 01:17:06,479
Speaker 1: What would those be? And a lot of folks have

1485
01:17:06,560 --> 01:17:09,880
Speaker 1: been like, there's a little bit more mask I won't

1486
01:17:09,880 --> 01:17:12,439
Speaker 1: say adherence, but people aren't quite as uptight about as

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01:17:12,520 --> 01:17:14,679
Speaker 1: they used to be. But there were people fought us,

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01:17:15,120 --> 01:17:18,240
Speaker 1: or fought everyone who was trying to get folks to

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01:17:18,280 --> 01:17:20,719
Speaker 1: wear more masks any es. Emerging science has been pretty

1490
01:17:20,720 --> 01:17:23,080
Speaker 1: clear that the cloth masks don't do a whole lot.

1491
01:17:23,080 --> 01:17:25,600
Speaker 1: I have switched almost exclusively to the surgical mask or

1492
01:17:25,640 --> 01:17:28,240
Speaker 1: the kN ninety five or are the KF ninety four,

1493
01:17:29,720 --> 01:17:32,880
Speaker 1: because those are just you know, they're just better. But

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01:17:32,920 --> 01:17:36,120
Speaker 1: you know the reality is when the masks were asked

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01:17:36,160 --> 01:17:39,000
Speaker 1: to be introduced, people fought. Then when when lockdowns, which

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01:17:39,040 --> 01:17:41,559
Speaker 1: is not an elegant solution, they are quite harmful, I

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01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:44,559
Speaker 1: understand that, but they fought those, and social distancing, they

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01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:48,680
Speaker 1: fought those at every turn. What you have noticed is

1499
01:17:48,840 --> 01:17:52,960
Speaker 1: just no including now to the vaccine. And so I'm asking, Okay,

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01:17:53,320 --> 01:17:56,200
Speaker 1: let's assume that we're wrong about masking. Let's assume that

1501
01:17:56,200 --> 01:17:59,160
Speaker 1: we're wrong about lockdowns. Let's assume that we're wrong about

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01:17:59,160 --> 01:18:01,320
Speaker 1: the vaccines. When I say wrong, I don't mean wrong

1503
01:18:01,320 --> 01:18:02,840
Speaker 1: to implement them the way they do, but that they

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01:18:02,920 --> 01:18:05,000
Speaker 1: meaningfully do not work. Right. Let's say that you want

1505
01:18:05,000 --> 01:18:08,080
Speaker 1: to make the argument. Okay, so what is the proposal

1506
01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:14,400
Speaker 1: now from the other side to limit the spread of

1507
01:18:14,720 --> 01:18:19,120
Speaker 1: COVID I've remected in there is as I speak today,

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01:18:19,160 --> 01:18:22,920
Speaker 1: there is no evidence it is scalable that way whatsoever.

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01:18:23,600 --> 01:18:25,120
Speaker 1: And you could do the kinds of things that Joe

1510
01:18:25,120 --> 01:18:27,040
Speaker 1: has done on a personal level to get to prep

1511
01:18:27,080 --> 01:18:28,880
Speaker 1: his body and then to treat it once you got it.

1512
01:18:29,400 --> 01:18:33,360
Speaker 1: That's in no way scalable. You cannot in any way. Oh,

1513
01:18:33,400 --> 01:18:35,920
Speaker 1: here's vitamin pacts you need to take every single day

1514
01:18:35,960 --> 01:18:38,240
Speaker 1: without fail, without missing it, and then once you get sick,

1515
01:18:38,320 --> 01:18:41,640
Speaker 1: get this immediate kind of access to k It's not scalable.

1516
01:18:42,080 --> 01:18:45,400
Speaker 1: It's not scalable at all. It doesn't work in any

1517
01:18:45,560 --> 01:18:49,000
Speaker 1: kind of way as an intervention socially introduced with medical

1518
01:18:49,040 --> 01:18:52,040
Speaker 1: oversight that we can you know, meaningfully attack COVID that way.

1519
01:18:52,080 --> 01:18:54,760
Speaker 1: You have to introduce something that can contain it, not

1520
01:18:54,800 --> 01:18:57,040
Speaker 1: eliminate it. That's not really possible at this point, but

1521
01:18:57,360 --> 01:18:59,120
Speaker 1: to contain it. And so what I have seen is

1522
01:18:59,200 --> 01:19:02,160
Speaker 1: just no to ever everything, and then yes to things

1523
01:19:02,240 --> 01:19:08,519
Speaker 1: that have far less evidentiary weight in terms of their

1524
01:19:08,520 --> 01:19:13,439
Speaker 1: efficacy and effectiveness. I understand that this is probably all

1525
01:19:13,520 --> 01:19:16,120
Speaker 1: rooted in the fact that our elites and institutions have

1526
01:19:16,120 --> 01:19:18,640
Speaker 1: failed Americans for so long that they now exist in

1527
01:19:18,640 --> 01:19:20,400
Speaker 1: a place when even when they're trying to give them

1528
01:19:20,439 --> 01:19:24,080
Speaker 1: a free cure might be a strong word, but a free,

1529
01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:32,360
Speaker 1: free measures of help, they reject it precisely because it

1530
01:19:32,400 --> 01:19:34,200
Speaker 1: comes from institutions. I think that's really what it all

1531
01:19:34,200 --> 01:19:36,200
Speaker 1: boils down to. I don't really think that the case

1532
01:19:36,479 --> 01:19:38,640
Speaker 1: we'll see there might be some modest help with ivermectin.

1533
01:19:38,760 --> 01:19:42,760
Speaker 1: I don't know. I literally don't know. But my hunch

1534
01:19:42,840 --> 01:19:45,519
Speaker 1: is that it's hydroxychloric in. Part two, which is that

1535
01:19:45,560 --> 01:19:48,400
Speaker 1: really what this all boils down to is a distrust

1536
01:19:48,520 --> 01:19:53,400
Speaker 1: of pharmaceutical profit motivations and institutions of oversight like the

1537
01:19:53,439 --> 01:19:59,559
Speaker 1: Food and Drug Administration, where they just don't trust the

1538
01:19:59,560 --> 01:20:03,720
Speaker 1: oversight even if the evidence to a neutral observer is

1539
01:20:03,800 --> 01:20:06,280
Speaker 1: quite clear. I don't know how you fix that problem,

1540
01:20:06,600 --> 01:20:09,439
Speaker 1: or I'll do one more or two more mma questions

1541
01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:14,840
Speaker 1: Joe Rogan has said it's weird that EMMA organizations use

1542
01:20:14,960 --> 01:20:18,599
Speaker 1: names and not just Showtime MMA. Do you think Belatore

1543
01:20:18,640 --> 01:20:22,800
Speaker 1: would do better as Showtime MMA? Probably a little bit.

1544
01:20:23,680 --> 01:20:27,639
Speaker 1: I don't think people are wedded to the Bellatore name

1545
01:20:27,800 --> 01:20:31,120
Speaker 1: so strongly, But like if you had to ask about

1546
01:20:31,120 --> 01:20:33,920
Speaker 1: Bellatoor's strengths and then now you're asking about its weaknesses,

1547
01:20:35,160 --> 01:20:37,920
Speaker 1: with switching the name meaningfully fix that? No, I don't

1548
01:20:37,920 --> 01:20:40,559
Speaker 1: think it would meaningfully fix that. Like if you change

1549
01:20:40,560 --> 01:20:42,720
Speaker 1: the name to show tim MMA, are they going to

1550
01:20:42,800 --> 01:20:45,400
Speaker 1: do five x the ratings they've been doing? Like No,

1551
01:20:45,479 --> 01:20:47,519
Speaker 1: I don't that that doesn't that won't fix it. There

1552
01:20:47,560 --> 01:20:51,760
Speaker 1: might be some coherency in terms of like, uh or

1553
01:20:51,760 --> 01:20:53,920
Speaker 1: I should say, visibility issues you could fix maybe by

1554
01:20:54,000 --> 01:20:55,720
Speaker 1: changing the name a little bit, get focus a little

1555
01:20:55,760 --> 01:20:57,680
Speaker 1: more easier to understand that. That might be something to

1556
01:20:57,720 --> 01:21:00,640
Speaker 1: be said for it, but modest modern I think the

1557
01:21:00,680 --> 01:21:02,519
Speaker 1: kind of improvements that would be there, And I don't

1558
01:21:03,080 --> 01:21:08,000
Speaker 1: like whatever is ailing bellator A name change seems like

1559
01:21:09,680 --> 01:21:12,160
Speaker 1: exactly the wrong kind of fix. I mean, yeah, you

1560
01:21:12,200 --> 01:21:14,240
Speaker 1: know I benefit from it, but that doesn't really address,

1561
01:21:16,320 --> 01:21:20,320
Speaker 1: you know, whatever their issues may be. No, So yeah,

1562
01:21:20,360 --> 01:21:22,040
Speaker 1: I would I wouldn't. Like if they change it, that'd

1563
01:21:22,000 --> 01:21:24,920
Speaker 1: be they'd be fine, But like would I be like, Okay,

1564
01:21:24,960 --> 01:21:27,639
Speaker 1: they changed it? Sweet? So now fad Or versus Timothy

1565
01:21:27,680 --> 01:21:32,280
Speaker 1: Johnson's good. Now, Like, no, that's not good matchmaking. I don't.

1566
01:21:32,320 --> 01:21:34,840
Speaker 1: I don't. I struggle to find anyone who has said

1567
01:21:34,880 --> 01:21:38,599
Speaker 1: it is good matchmaking. That is. Yeah, it's not good.

1568
01:21:38,800 --> 01:21:45,559
Speaker 1: It's not good matchmaking. Would you guys do a fight

1569
01:21:45,640 --> 01:21:48,639
Speaker 1: companion sometime? Yeah, but we got to be in person

1570
01:21:48,720 --> 01:21:50,720
Speaker 1: for it, right. I don't want to do a fight

1571
01:21:50,760 --> 01:21:53,880
Speaker 1: companion over zoom. I don't want to do that shit. Man.

1572
01:21:54,320 --> 01:21:56,000
Speaker 1: I've talked to Brendan by the way about doing the

1573
01:21:56,040 --> 01:21:58,600
Speaker 1: Calabasas one. We don't have any formal plans yet, but

1574
01:21:59,240 --> 01:22:01,360
Speaker 1: he's pretty he wants me on it. I would love

1575
01:22:01,360 --> 01:22:03,160
Speaker 1: to be on it, So we'll see how that goes.

1576
01:22:05,520 --> 01:22:07,840
Speaker 1: If a fighter wants to be released from their contract

1577
01:22:07,840 --> 01:22:09,680
Speaker 1: but the UFC was reluctant to do so, could the

1578
01:22:09,680 --> 01:22:12,880
Speaker 1: fighter strategically fight out their contract and create a situation

1579
01:22:12,920 --> 01:22:16,240
Speaker 1: where the UFC would find a release Enticing examples have

1580
01:22:16,320 --> 01:22:18,599
Speaker 1: their corner throat in the towel, quit on the stool,

1581
01:22:18,720 --> 01:22:23,600
Speaker 1: or give uncomfortably obscure media showings. Yes, you could do

1582
01:22:23,760 --> 01:22:28,040
Speaker 1: the sabotage angle, and maybe some have, But if you

1583
01:22:28,160 --> 01:22:31,360
Speaker 1: do the sabotage angle, it's not like you're setting yourself

1584
01:22:31,439 --> 01:22:36,680
Speaker 1: up for the future, like, Oh, this guy didn't show

1585
01:22:36,760 --> 01:22:39,800
Speaker 1: up to press, he was totally out of shape, and

1586
01:22:39,800 --> 01:22:41,920
Speaker 1: then his corner through the towel after one punch. Dude,

1587
01:22:41,920 --> 01:22:45,160
Speaker 1: what promotion wants to sign him? Or that team? You

1588
01:22:45,200 --> 01:22:48,600
Speaker 1: don't want to work with them. They're utterly unreliable. So

1589
01:22:50,040 --> 01:22:52,280
Speaker 1: you could take the sort of suicide pill here if

1590
01:22:52,280 --> 01:22:53,960
Speaker 1: you wanted, but I don't know, I don't know what

1591
01:22:54,000 --> 01:22:58,360
Speaker 1: good that does you. So look, if there was a

1592
01:22:58,360 --> 01:23:00,679
Speaker 1: one hundred and sixty five pound weight class to debuts

1593
01:23:00,680 --> 01:23:02,479
Speaker 1: starting in twenty twenty two, who'd be your top five

1594
01:23:02,560 --> 01:23:04,720
Speaker 1: ranked fighters and who'd you match it for? The title

1595
01:23:04,720 --> 01:23:07,720
Speaker 1: about I've done this exercise, Go on my personal channel

1596
01:23:08,000 --> 01:23:10,439
Speaker 1: and look up a video I did. My old producer

1597
01:23:10,479 --> 01:23:12,280
Speaker 1: Mike Russo and I on my old radio show, The

1598
01:23:12,320 --> 01:23:15,000
Speaker 1: Luke Thomas Show. We did a one hundred and sixty

1599
01:23:15,000 --> 01:23:17,559
Speaker 1: five pound draft and the rule was we'd have one

1600
01:23:17,520 --> 01:23:20,080
Speaker 1: to fifty five and one seventy And the way it

1601
01:23:20,080 --> 01:23:22,960
Speaker 1: would work is we would draft people to one sixty five,

1602
01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:24,600
Speaker 1: so he would go and then I would go. He

1603
01:23:24,600 --> 01:23:26,320
Speaker 1: would go, and then I would go. And we did

1604
01:23:26,320 --> 01:23:28,400
Speaker 1: it so that we had a filled out top fifteen

1605
01:23:28,439 --> 01:23:31,160
Speaker 1: in either way. And what the lesson that showed me was,

1606
01:23:31,360 --> 01:23:33,200
Speaker 1: I don't know. The UFC could just open up one

1607
01:23:33,240 --> 01:23:34,800
Speaker 1: sixty five and then move weal to right to one

1608
01:23:34,800 --> 01:23:37,040
Speaker 1: seventy five and then just say whoever wants to come

1609
01:23:37,040 --> 01:23:38,599
Speaker 1: and go do that. I think it might create a little

1610
01:23:38,560 --> 01:23:40,439
Speaker 1: bit of disorder. But if they want to do it

1611
01:23:40,479 --> 01:23:43,360
Speaker 1: from a controlled perspective, where like, let's give priority to

1612
01:23:43,360 --> 01:23:45,679
Speaker 1: the folks who've had weight cutting issues like a Kevin

1613
01:23:45,760 --> 01:23:47,640
Speaker 1: Lee or potentially even a Kis if you want to

1614
01:23:47,640 --> 01:23:49,880
Speaker 1: go one sixty five versus one seventy five. I don't know,

1615
01:23:49,920 --> 01:23:53,280
Speaker 1: but let's say he's on that list. You could do it.

1616
01:23:53,439 --> 01:23:55,760
Speaker 1: You could do it in a managed, orderly way, and

1617
01:23:55,800 --> 01:23:59,360
Speaker 1: then once the divisions get thriving, then you could probably

1618
01:23:59,400 --> 01:24:01,240
Speaker 1: just open up the rain and let folks do what

1619
01:24:01,280 --> 01:24:03,559
Speaker 1: they want to do. But it's very very doable, and

1620
01:24:03,560 --> 01:24:07,200
Speaker 1: you would still have stacked one fifty five, one seventy

1621
01:24:07,200 --> 01:24:09,200
Speaker 1: five and one sixty five pound way classes. It is

1622
01:24:09,560 --> 01:24:24,240
Speaker 1: entirely doable. Uh, last one, Luke, Hope you're well. I'm

1623
01:24:24,240 --> 01:24:26,880
Speaker 1: a twenty two year old from Ireland who's about to

1624
01:24:26,920 --> 01:24:28,759
Speaker 1: move to London for a new job. While I'm excited

1625
01:24:28,800 --> 01:24:30,599
Speaker 1: about the move, I only know a couple of people there.

1626
01:24:30,640 --> 01:24:33,840
Speaker 1: Do You're already in a good, good place and I'm

1627
01:24:33,880 --> 01:24:36,160
Speaker 1: leaving behind all of my friends and family in Dublin. Dude,

1628
01:24:36,160 --> 01:24:39,719
Speaker 1: you're going from Dublin to London like you're not going

1629
01:24:39,720 --> 01:24:43,519
Speaker 1: from Dublin to Singapore. I mean, chill out a bit.

1630
01:24:44,920 --> 01:24:46,280
Speaker 1: I'd be lying if I said I wasn't a bit

1631
01:24:46,360 --> 01:24:48,439
Speaker 1: nervous or anxious about it all. Do you have any

1632
01:24:48,439 --> 01:24:50,000
Speaker 1: advice for a young guy my shoes where if you're

1633
01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:51,599
Speaker 1: in the same position? And my point early to was yeah,

1634
01:24:51,640 --> 01:24:53,320
Speaker 1: de I moved to New York. I knew two people.

1635
01:24:54,040 --> 01:24:59,720
Speaker 1: I knew two people, so what uh? You cannot, under

1636
01:24:59,720 --> 01:25:03,080
Speaker 1: any circumstance allow this to deter you from whatever it

1637
01:25:03,120 --> 01:25:04,680
Speaker 1: is you're trying to do. First of all, Dublin and

1638
01:25:04,720 --> 01:25:07,599
Speaker 1: London are not far apart. I realize the different countries,

1639
01:25:07,640 --> 01:25:10,760
Speaker 1: but they're fairly close. I think is a good way.

1640
01:25:10,920 --> 01:25:16,120
Speaker 1: How long is the flight? Let's do this Dublin to

1641
01:25:16,439 --> 01:25:21,360
Speaker 1: London flight time. Let's see how long is that flight.

1642
01:25:21,600 --> 01:25:23,439
Speaker 1: I mean it's an hour and twenty minutes, folks. That's

1643
01:25:23,479 --> 01:25:26,559
Speaker 1: the distance from here to Cleveland, not far number one,

1644
01:25:26,640 --> 01:25:29,120
Speaker 1: so you're always never far. That's the first thing you

1645
01:25:29,120 --> 01:25:31,719
Speaker 1: should like center yourself on to. London is a big city,

1646
01:25:31,720 --> 01:25:34,479
Speaker 1: and like New York, it can be intimidating. You know,

1647
01:25:34,800 --> 01:25:37,519
Speaker 1: there's lots of things to look back on and maybe

1648
01:25:37,600 --> 01:25:40,240
Speaker 1: perhaps or look forward to and be a little bit concerned. Dude,

1649
01:25:40,320 --> 01:25:43,280
Speaker 1: this is a world of action. Let me just wake

1650
01:25:43,280 --> 01:25:45,920
Speaker 1: everybody up. This is a world of action. Go there

1651
01:25:46,240 --> 01:25:50,639
Speaker 1: and take time to just get involved in things, involved

1652
01:25:50,680 --> 01:25:54,840
Speaker 1: in organizations, involved in clubs, involved in sports, involved in societies,

1653
01:25:54,880 --> 01:25:57,760
Speaker 1: involved in something involved in an mma gym, involved in

1654
01:25:57,800 --> 01:26:00,200
Speaker 1: a jiu jitsu gym, Go train, go meet people like

1655
01:26:00,240 --> 01:26:03,080
Speaker 1: this is the best and only way forward. Dude. This

1656
01:26:03,200 --> 01:26:05,840
Speaker 1: is a world of action, which is why the contemplation

1657
01:26:05,920 --> 01:26:08,240
Speaker 1: about my own YouTube channel has just been utterly fruitless.

1658
01:26:08,560 --> 01:26:11,679
Speaker 1: But you get the idea, like, it's just about go go,

1659
01:26:11,960 --> 01:26:14,280
Speaker 1: just go and do stuff and dude, you will find

1660
01:26:14,280 --> 01:26:16,920
Speaker 1: over TIMEE listen, maybe London's for you, maybe it's not,

1661
01:26:17,080 --> 01:26:19,320
Speaker 1: but there's only one way to know. You are twenty two.

1662
01:26:19,800 --> 01:26:22,160
Speaker 1: You have no mortgage, you have no kids, you have

1663
01:26:22,360 --> 01:26:26,240
Speaker 1: nothing that ties you down. You should be thrilled, nervous

1664
01:26:26,280 --> 01:26:29,240
Speaker 1: to but thrilled about moving to London, especially if you

1665
01:26:29,240 --> 01:26:30,960
Speaker 1: already know two people. You know, people I know who've

1666
01:26:30,960 --> 01:26:33,840
Speaker 1: moved to cities who didn't know a fucking soul like

1667
01:26:33,960 --> 01:26:37,479
Speaker 1: you should be. You're not far from home, you already

1668
01:26:37,520 --> 01:26:40,040
Speaker 1: know a couple of folks, and you're twenty two. Dude,

1669
01:26:40,080 --> 01:26:44,639
Speaker 1: Go kick ass, Go kick ass. Don't sit around waiting

1670
01:26:44,640 --> 01:26:47,120
Speaker 1: for London to come to you. Go to it, not

1671
01:26:47,280 --> 01:26:49,439
Speaker 1: just moving there, but all the things that it offers do.

1672
01:26:49,520 --> 01:26:52,719
Speaker 1: London's a phenomenal place. It's big. You will find plenty

1673
01:26:52,800 --> 01:26:54,280
Speaker 1: of other people you want to hang out with, whether

1674
01:26:54,320 --> 01:26:58,840
Speaker 1: they are other irishmen or not. Couldn't couldn't recommend more

1675
01:26:59,640 --> 01:27:01,519
Speaker 1: that you take the bull by the horns. This is

1676
01:27:01,560 --> 01:27:05,720
Speaker 1: a world of action, so go act. Okay, that's it

1677
01:27:05,760 --> 01:27:08,639
Speaker 1: for me. I appreciate everybody watching. Thank you so much.

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