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Speaker 2: Hello everyone, and welcome to Too Much Information, the show

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Speaker 2: Rita's of pretty Nerdy Stuff. I'm Alex Sigel and I'm.

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Speaker 2: Wordplay, and Jordans I spoiled today's topic immediately for attentive listeners.

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Speaker 2: But we're going to be going long on nineteen eighty.

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Speaker 1: Four's The Karate Kid.

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Speaker 2: A genuine Hollywood classic, a defining movie for multiple generations,

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Speaker 2: and an underdog story for the ages that taught us

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Speaker 2: all the important lesson that violence solves everything.

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Speaker 1: Ha.

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Speaker 2: This was just one of my favorite movies as a kid.

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Speaker 2: I probably watched it like a good dozen times. What

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Speaker 2: about you?

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Speaker 1: I love how much you love this movie, which is

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Speaker 1: why I'm so thrilled to talk about it today. But

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Speaker 1: this was never a huge like repeater for me as

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Speaker 1: a kid. In fact, as a kid, it was probably

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Speaker 1: the last time I saw it in my head I

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Speaker 1: think I filed it away as rocky light, which, as

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Speaker 1: we'll discuss, it's rocky for kids. Yeah, as an apt comparison,

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Speaker 1: it's funny. One of my pet obsessions as a kid

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Speaker 1: was Japan. So I think one of the things that,

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Speaker 1: like in a weird way that you wouldn't expect, soured

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Speaker 1: me on this movie was that I was disappointed that

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Speaker 1: it didn't go heavier on the Japanese culture stuff.

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Speaker 2: Well, it goes pretty heavy for the time, that's fair,

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Speaker 2: but I'll discussed. And also they do go to Okinawa

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Speaker 2: in the second one.

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Speaker 1: I definitely never saw the second one, but no, I

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Speaker 1: mean I was watching like National Geographic VHS's on, like

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Speaker 1: Japanese culture and things like that, So it was an

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Speaker 1: unrealistic expectation on my part. Sure, But yeah, I really

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Speaker 1: it was fun learning more about this because in a

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Speaker 1: way I feel like I got to know you better,

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Speaker 1: which is always special to me. And oh yeah, I'm

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Speaker 1: always fascinated by I guess what I'll loosely term and

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you'll have a better term for it, like

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Speaker 1: americanized karate culture. I just think that's such a weird

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Speaker 1: cultural mashup. Like I always got to kick off how

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Speaker 1: Elvis grew obsessed with karate from his army days in

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Speaker 1: the late fifties. Like, I just thought that was such

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Speaker 1: a weird juxtaposition of this, you know, sorry, relatively unsophisticated

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Speaker 1: American and ancient Eastern practices like that was just always

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Speaker 1: interesting to me. But so I assume this is like

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Speaker 1: the movie that drew you to the martial arts or

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Speaker 1: were you already interested in martial arts?

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Speaker 2: And I can't remember, dude, I earnestly remember, like the

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Speaker 2: first thing drawing me to martial arts was Power Rangers,

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Speaker 2: Like that's but there is a chance I saw this

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Speaker 2: before then, but I definitely saw it many many times

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Speaker 2: after it. And what you're talking about with karate is

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Speaker 2: particularly interesting because you know, karate is such a broad

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Speaker 2: term for a bunch of different disciplines that you know,

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Speaker 2: then were kind of mashed together. I mean, even even

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Speaker 2: brought in all of these disparate styles. There was like

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Speaker 2: Northern kung fu and Southern kung fu, and then they

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Speaker 2: And so there's all this different stuff coming from just

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Speaker 2: desperate stuff into one system that they call wushu. And

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Speaker 2: that's like that like jet Lie came to America to

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Speaker 2: perform for Nixon, you know. So wushu is the Chinese

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Speaker 2: umbrella term for martial arts. There you go. It was

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Speaker 2: developed in nineteen forty nine because they were trying to

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Speaker 2: centralize all of these And it's really interesting because if

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Speaker 2: you've seen enough performers post that era in like mainland China,

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Speaker 2: as far as karate and Japanese martial arts and different

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Speaker 2: think it came with Bruce Ly and then the many

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Speaker 2: confused with taekwondo because a lot of the strikes are

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Speaker 2: the same. But that's Korean. So there's all this there's

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Speaker 2: a really interesting history of it in America that I

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Speaker 2: can't think it was really Elvis. I mean, I'm sure

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Speaker 2: he had some impact, but I don't think he drove

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Speaker 1: Well. Tell me a little bit about tell me and

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Speaker 1: the folks about your own personal history with what I'll

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Speaker 1: loosely described as the martial arts.

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Speaker 2: I forget what you studied, uh, taekwondo? Yeah, as I mean,

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Speaker 2: I took it based on as I mentioned, power Rangers,

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Speaker 2: I finally stopped when I yeah, I think I finally

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Speaker 2: which is as far as I really cared to take

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Speaker 1: So a sensation. Many of our listeners can probably relate to.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I couldn't.

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Speaker 2: Say I set myself up for that one. That's fair.

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Speaker 1: And you're an Eagle Scout too, I mean, good lord,

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Speaker 1: I can't believe how much you accomplished this team and

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Speaker 2: There is a indie band fronted by a Native American

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Speaker 1: I mean, I guess the big question is could you

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Speaker 2: Easily? I mean first of all, First of all, anyone could, like,

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Speaker 1: I mean that blew my mind. I thought he was, yeah, twelve, thirteen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I'd be out of him, and I really

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, And we're not going to get into the film

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Speaker 2: sequels other than what we just did. There are three.

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Speaker 2: next Karate Kids starring Hillary Swank. Oh yeah, but so

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Speaker 2: So without further ado from how the movie created Clint

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Speaker 2: So right off the bat, The Karate Kid is actually

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Speaker 2: a semi autobiographical embellishment of the life of screenwriter Mark

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Speaker 1: Does he know that's not America?

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Speaker 2: He don't actually know why he went there, but he

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Speaker 2: He has a couple of unproduced ones. Anyway. Prior to

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Speaker 2: not the nineteen sixty four World's Fair, he sought out

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Speaker 1: That's like getting beat up at Epcot. That's like, oh,

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Speaker 1: it's like outside the it's a small world ride, Like

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Speaker 2: There's not going to be any world of tomorrow for you? Nice,

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Speaker 2: thank you. His first teacher was a former captain of

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Speaker 2: He was a real like revenge and like no mercy,

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Speaker 2: and Robert came into his credit as a young man,

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Speaker 2: So it's pretty obvious how the karate kid came out

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Speaker 2: A listers, which good for him.

434
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Speaker 1: I suppose. Mark Caman was mentored in Hollywood by Columbia

435
00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:26,080
Speaker 1: executive Frank Price, who introduced him to Jerry Weintraub, who's

436
00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:28,399
Speaker 1: a very good guy to know. As we'll talk about

437
00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:31,119
Speaker 1: Wan Traub had just optioned a news story about a

438
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,480
Speaker 1: nine year old kid who earned a black belt after

439
00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:37,439
Speaker 1: being bulluted school win Traub, a three time Emmy winner,

440
00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:41,760
Speaker 1: had a pretty crazy career, aside from signing John Denver

441
00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:44,120
Speaker 1: as a talent agent when he was a complete unknown.

442
00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:47,560
Speaker 1: Denver that is, some people credit wind Traub with inventing

443
00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:51,880
Speaker 1: the arena concert. He managed tours for Elvis Presley, Frank Sinatra,

444
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:55,560
Speaker 1: the Fourth Seasons Neil Diamond, Bob Dylan, led Zeppelin, Three

445
00:22:55,600 --> 00:23:01,240
Speaker 1: Dog Knight, and the Carpenters, presumably among others. Having basically

446
00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:04,560
Speaker 1: conquered the music world after the Right, he turned his

447
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:08,040
Speaker 1: attention to films and produced Robert Altman's Nashville in nineteen

448
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:12,080
Speaker 1: seventy five, Rip Shelley Duval and Barry Levinson's Diner in

449
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:16,480
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty two, a Baltimore classic. And you found one

450
00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:20,000
Speaker 1: source claiming Jerry Wintrob actually met the kid from this

451
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,720
Speaker 1: karate news story. Yeah, tell the story.

452
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:28,560
Speaker 2: I love this, so he I wasn't able to verify

453
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:31,200
Speaker 2: this with multiple sources, but he asked him he met

454
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,240
Speaker 2: this kid and asked him like, hey, are you as

455
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:35,560
Speaker 2: good in real fights as you are in tournaments? And

456
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:38,120
Speaker 2: the kids supposedly hit him back with I don't fight.

457
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:42,440
Speaker 2: There's no reason to now it was Zen nine year old?

458
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:44,960
Speaker 1: Oh well, was he Zen? Or did word get around

459
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,240
Speaker 1: that you don't screw with this kid? And so? Was

460
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:48,040
Speaker 1: that what he meant?

461
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 2: Supposedly the coda to this news story was that he

462
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 2: was no longer bullied.

463
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:57,080
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I would assume so. Mark Cambon writes the screenplay,

464
00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,600
Speaker 1: weaving in not only just this news article, but his

465
00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:04,600
Speaker 1: own life story into it. Hilariously, Almost everyone associated with

466
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:08,160
Speaker 1: the film hated this script, which I did not.

467
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:11,440
Speaker 2: The script in the title, I you know not many

468
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:15,160
Speaker 2: people said they hated the script, but all of their reactions,

469
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:17,560
Speaker 2: but you're gonna read them. Sorry, I don't mean to

470
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:18,200
Speaker 2: step on your line.

471
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:21,480
Speaker 1: No, no, no. These are quotes from a sports illustrated

472
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 1: history of the Karate Kid rough Machio. I found it

473
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 1: a little corny, maybe a little overly saccharin sweet Clifford Coleman,

474
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,439
Speaker 1: first assistant director, I thought it was a piece of

475
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:36,480
Speaker 1: Martin Cove, who played the Cobra Kai sensei. All of

476
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:41,120
Speaker 1: us used to complain about the title, and Pat and Read,

477
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 1: his wife at the time, Yuki said, speaking of the title,

478
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 1: a schmucky quickly put together production a kid show. Maybe

479
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:50,240
Speaker 1: it seems so simplistic.

480
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,880
Speaker 2: Also, DC Comics already had a character called Karate Kid

481
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 2: who is still in the comics to this day, but

482
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 2: they very kindly granted production permission to use the title

483
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 2: and earned the thanks in the credits. Oh and this

484
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 2: is also really weird. There's a guy named Ralph Macchio

485
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 2: who's an artist on four.

486
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 1: That's really bizarre.

487
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 2: A lot of weird connections in this one, mostly to

488
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 2: Rocky and also some guy in Brooklyn sued production for

489
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:18,359
Speaker 2: using his business nickname the Karate Kid, and that suit

490
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 2: was tossed out.

491
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:22,440
Speaker 1: It's kind of weird that this guy GIRs.

492
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 2: To Ralph Machio's well, no, no.

493
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 1: No, It's not only that, but like Mark Cayman grew

494
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,880
Speaker 1: up as a kid studying karate at a time when

495
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 1: I imagine that wasn't that common, and then he gets

496
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Speaker 1: hired to do a script about a kid learning karate.

497
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Speaker 1: I mean, I assume that's why he was brought on,

498
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:39,120
Speaker 1: was that they knew he was qualified to do. Yeah.

499
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:43,919
Speaker 2: I think he got it through Uh Price, who'd just

500
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,399
Speaker 2: been like Frank Price, who just was like, hey, I

501
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 2: know a guy, I know a writer who will take

502
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 2: on this story because apparently it's just something Wintrob used

503
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:54,399
Speaker 2: to do. It's one of his old assistants or coworkers

504
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:56,400
Speaker 2: was like he would just watch the news and if

505
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 2: a story struck him, he would immediately option it, which

506
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 2: hell yeah, Hollywood.

507
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 1: Jerry Wintrup also executive produced Behind the Candelabra, the Liberachi

508
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:10,120
Speaker 1: biopic in twenty thirteen. Hell yeah, one of the last

509
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 1: things he did, an ignoble end to an otherwise glittering Oh.

510
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:20,720
Speaker 1: He did all the Oceans eleven movies. That's why. Oh. Actually,

511
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:22,639
Speaker 1: the last movie that he worked on that was released

512
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 1: in his lifetime was the Karate Kid remake with Jaden

513
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:29,919
Speaker 1: Smith and Jackie Chan, yet again an ignoble end.

514
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:34,399
Speaker 2: Ralph Monkeo's the artist or editor for Marvel Comics. His

515
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 2: first work was a year long stint on Master of

516
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:42,119
Speaker 2: Kung Fu Chang Chi. So there you go.

517
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:42,919
Speaker 1: Uh.

518
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 2: He also worked on Captain America, The Avengers, Fantastic Four, Daredevil.

519
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 2: Oh he was eleven years on Daredevil. That's cool. All

520
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:55,399
Speaker 2: to be confused with the scrawniest medioiest kid alive. I

521
00:26:55,400 --> 00:27:00,439
Speaker 2: can say that I'm Italian. Ralph Monkeyo, the star of film,

522
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 2: not the comic book guy, told Jimmy Fallon on The

523
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 2: Tonight Show in twenty twenty one that John g Abeldson,

524
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 2: the director of the film who also directed Rocky, pitched

525
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 2: the title East meets West in the West, which is

526
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 2: one of the god awfullest, stupidest things I've ever heard

527
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 2: and makes me seriously question how this guy got an

528
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 2: oscar and Macchio said Another one was Moment of Truth,

529
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 2: which is generic but not terrible. So this film was

530
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 2: being worked on in the shadow of the Rocky franchise,

531
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,199
Speaker 2: which had just released its third installment, the One with

532
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,639
Speaker 2: Mister T in nineteen eighty two. Came and told Sports

533
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,640
Speaker 2: Illustrated in their oral history of the film, Sevester Stallone

534
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 2: and I joke about that all the time. He says,

535
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 2: you just ripped off my movie. I've got an Italian kid,

536
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 2: an old man. Yeah, you know what. You're absolutely right.

537
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 2: You had one good idea and I ripped it off.

538
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,439
Speaker 2: Camen has incredible quotes, He's a real quote machine, and

539
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,640
Speaker 2: Stallone must have been especially pissed in this case, since

540
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,879
Speaker 2: John d. Ablton earned a Best Director Oscar for Rocky

541
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:01,680
Speaker 2: and then eight years he directed The Karate Kidd. Ralph

542
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 2: Mocky mentioned in his book As Autobiography that there was

543
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,879
Speaker 2: serious talk at one point of Rocky meets the Karate

544
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 2: Kid as a matchup that went as far as like meetings, writers, execs.

545
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 2: Sadly or happily, it never came to pass. Expectations for

546
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 2: the film was actually low, had an eight million dollar budget,

547
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,399
Speaker 2: and no one was taking it seriously. Bud Smith, the editor,

548
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,920
Speaker 2: told Sports Illustrated. We started like it was just a

549
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 2: little movie that no one was going to give it.

550
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 2: About Ron Thomas, who played one of the Cobra Kai bullies, remembered,

551
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 2: my manager told me this movie has no audience. It's

552
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 2: not going anywhere. It was apparently Jerry Weintraub's decision, perhaps

553
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 2: an attempt to bolster such low expectations to hire a

554
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 2: whole bunch of famous Hollywood kids. The Karate Kid features

555
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 2: Chad McQueen, son of the obvious Frankie Avalon junior. John

556
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 2: Travolta's nephew, Tom Fridley is his last name. Ricky Nelson's

557
00:28:55,560 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 2: daughter was originally cast too before dropping out, and The

558
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 2: Karate Kid made an impact on Clint Eastwood, Let's say,

559
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 2: his then partner, Sandra Locke wrote in her memoir The Good,

560
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 2: the Bad, and.

561
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 1: The Very Ugly.

562
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 2: Clinton had agreed to direct Karate Kid for Colombia only

563
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 2: if his son Kyle played the lead, but they refused.

564
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 2: Clint forever banned Coca Cola from his site. A Coca

565
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 2: Cola who had you know owned that they owned? Warner

566
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 2: Brothers or Warner Brothers owned.

567
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 1: That I think they owned the Warner Brothers.

568
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 2: The thing, Oh Colombia, not Warner Brothers. My bad. Coca

569
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 2: Cola sold Colombia nineteen eighty nine, but apparently the band

570
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 2: persists to this day. Ralph Macchio, for his part, also

571
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 2: hated the Coca Cola product placement. There's a scene where

572
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 2: he has a can of sprite and at first he

573
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 2: was like, he was just covering up the entire logo,

574
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 2: and they made him. They were like, hey, you got

575
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 2: to reshoot that show the logo. Another bonus tie in

576
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 2: for you, Jordan, I love this. A guy dressed as

577
00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 2: the Chicken at the Halloween party. He was memorably going

578
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 2: around smashing eggs on people's head, which like huge dick move.

579
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 2: I would punch him in the face. He was played

580
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 2: by Todd Lukinland, brother of Mike Lookinland, Bobby of The

581
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 2: Brady Bunch.

582
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:12,959
Speaker 1: Yes.

583
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 2: I think they also cast Elizabeth Shues's brother Andrew at

584
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 2: one point, so it's just like a real family affair. Also,

585
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 2: Chad McQueen kind of sucks. I don't think anyone on

586
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 2: the set had fond memories of working with him. He

587
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 2: seems like kind of a douchebag. As you meditate on

588
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 2: that We'll be right back with more too much information

589
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 2: after these messages.

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00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,959
Speaker 1: Although the film didn't have much buzz around Hollywood, there

591
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 1: were a few names attached to the karate Kid before

592
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 1: Ralph Macchio Strode as you write his skinny ass in.

593
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 1: I couldn't do better than that, so I took it.

594
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 1: He looks like a skeleton. I know, I can't believe

595
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 1: he was in his twenties. I'm just I found that

596
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: out live on the mic. I didn't realize that.

597
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 2: In the oral history they were like someone was like

598
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 2: he was twenty two, but puberty hadn't kicked in yet.

599
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 2: And then the next quote is puberty still hasn't kicked in. Ah,

600
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,479
Speaker 2: he looks amazing for fifty. He's pushing sixty. He might

601
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 2: even be sixty at this point.

602
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, because puberty still wasn't kicked in. He and child

603
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 1: told that Olive Oil Baby, you can say that, I

604
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 1: guess I can say that, Yeah, a who's who of

605
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 1: eighties talent or I'd for the role of the titular

606
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 1: karate kid John Crier. That would have been awful.

607
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 2: That would have been would have been a nice redemption

608
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 2: arc from was this before or after when he plays ducky.

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00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 1: It would have been like the same year or a

610
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 1: year before, Okay, year before.

611
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 2: I think, because I think, yeah, I don't like his face.

612
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 1: Anymore. Okay, No, a young Nicholas Cage. This would have

613
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 1: been before Peggy Sue got married. That actually would have worked.

614
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 2: That kind of would have ruled if they had, because

615
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 2: he's so big and gangly. It at least makes more

616
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 2: sense than like Ralph Macchio, who looks like a bundle

617
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 2: of toothpicks put together and painted brown.

618
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 1: That's the thing, that's the thing that makes it work

619
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 1: is that he's so tiny and fragile that it's like

620
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 1: he did it.

621
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right.

622
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 1: Like I think Nicholas Cage has the unhinged you know,

623
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 1: behind the eyes thing, like I think he could he

624
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 1: could kill someone.

625
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I truly do. And this would have been early

626
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 2: enough in his career that he was probably still taking

627
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 2: direction at this point, so he wouldn't have been able

628
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 2: to go full crazy Cage.

629
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:40,959
Speaker 1: No, he probably would have like put on a stupid

630
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 1: voice and like, oh you think so, yeah, you about

631
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 1: to talk like you know some obscure fifties cartoon character. Well,

632
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 1: it was it was Peggy Sue got married, where he

633
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 1: insisted on speaking like Pokey the horse from Gumby, and

634
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 1: then his uncle Wort Coppola was like, get out of

635
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 1: my sight.

636
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 2: I never want to work with you again.

637
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 1: You're an idiot, You're embarrassing the family. So okay, Nicholas

638
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 1: Cage Young, Robert Downey Jr. Too, just handsome too.

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00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 2: I don't know.

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00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 1: I can't imagine him being bullied. I mean, Rob Mocky

641
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 1: is handsome too, but he's scrawny. He's scrappy. Yeah, he's scrappy.

642
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 1: Robert Downey Jr. I guess Maraber Downey Jr.

643
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 2: Had just done less than or would do less than

644
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 2: zero at this point, right, so he was kind of

645
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 2: like that twitchy cocaine. He's like honorary brat pack.

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00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, oh yeah. He's in The Pickup Artist. I

647
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 1: think what was that movie called The Something Artist. I

648
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 1: don't know, Uh see Thomas Howell, who's in Tlem Heigel.

649
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:40,479
Speaker 2: Soul Man, the eighties blackface comedy that Lou Reed covered

650
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 2: soul Man on the soundtrack for.

651
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 1: The eighties Blackface Comedy. We all can agree on the

652
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 1: eighties blackface comedy. Your grandma loves.

653
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 2: That Joe Biden loves Wait, does he really No?

654
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 1: I don't know.

655
00:33:55,920 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 2: Probably yeah, he created the modern carsoral state, like with

656
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 2: the crime vill I'm sure he got a hoot out

657
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 2: of black face. He probably was in blackface at some

658
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 2: point in life, all right, p Joe Biden. He died

659
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:15,319
Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety four, like I swear Biden. I don't know,

660
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 2: maybe in the past couple of years.

661
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 1: If you're listening to this and he is dead, let

662
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 1: me explain. Let's explain. How much of this can I keep?

663
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 1: Tom Cruise? You have Tom Cruise? That actually everyone we've

664
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 1: named so far, that's actually one that I because he's

665
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 1: small enough, scrappy enough, and kind of crazy enough that like,

666
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 1: well he.

667
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 2: Was in The Outsiders, right with ye and this, so

668
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 2: this would have been pretty getting his teeth done so

669
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 2: he still looked like a street rat.

670
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,359
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, Okay, so that's good. He's my number

671
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 1: one so far. Eric Stalts the original Marty McFly before

672
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,360
Speaker 1: he was replaced by Michael J. Fox. I kind of

673
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 1: have a hard time conjuring up his face in my mind.

674
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 2: He was in mask, he was in right, Yeah, that's

675
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 2: why you have a hard time. Gondurat Space.

676
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 1: Amelia Estevez. Okay, okay, I can see that. That's fine

677
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:11,320
Speaker 1: and young Sean Penn.

678
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 2: Can you imagine giving Sean Penn in the eighties the

679
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 2: tools to be better at hitting women and photographers?

680
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:21,800
Speaker 1: My god, golf swing.

681
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 2: Should I tell my Sean Penn story? Yeah, Sean Penn

682
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 2: one of the it's not a short list, but it's

683
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 2: a list of celebrities who called to complain about my

684
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 2: writing at people.

685
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 1: This was when he would he had gone.

686
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 2: He revealed that he had gone down to South America

687
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 2: and interviewed El Chapo and like not told anyone, like

688
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 2: the US government or anyone who might have had a

689
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 2: vested interest in knowing where an enormous drug trafficker was located.

690
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 2: And I did, like one of those SEO garbage like

691
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 2: explainers on it, like questions you may have about Sean

692
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:59,799
Speaker 2: Penn's El Chapo situation answered and one of them was

693
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 2: is Sean Penna journalist? And the answer was no. And

694
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 2: he got so mad. His publicist wrote in and was like,

695
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 2: you know, Sean has been on legitimate assignments. He was

696
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 2: there in Katrina when Katrina happened, or in the aftermath

697
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 2: of Katrina.

698
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 1: And then she gave me this.

699
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 2: Incredible quote, which was if this story had been done

700
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 2: by Hunter S. Thompson, no one would be blinking an eye.

701
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 2: And I immediately wrote it back and I was like,

702
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 2: can I use that? Can that be your quote? And

703
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 2: she knew she stepped in it comparing him to Hunter S. Thompson,

704
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 2: and she was like, no, please just change it anyway.

705
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 2: But eventually they landed on Ralph Sweet, the comic book guy,

706
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 2: the other guy, the other Ralph.

707
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 1: I was found early, Ralph Macchio told Jimmy Fallon. I

708
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 1: was cast very early, but it was like one of

709
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 1: those test deals where you're not in yet. I remember

710
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,800
Speaker 1: walking by and seeing Charlie Sheen hanging out outside producer

711
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 1: Jerry Wine Troup's bungalow, thinking, what's Charlie doing here? He

712
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 1: doesn't look like an Italian guy from Jersey.

713
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 2: No, okay, okay, I mean the sines are Hispanic, right, yeah, yeah, no,

714
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 2: I know, but or Latin ax. Pardon me, but there

715
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 2: is a firmly a white guy.

716
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 1: He would have been, okay, I think in in Karate Kid, right,

717
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 1: it would have a much less likable version of Karate Kid.

718
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, he just has an innate sinister quality.

719
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 1: Oh yes, even in Platoon.

720
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 2: I was like, I just remember being like, I feel

721
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,479
Speaker 2: like you should be doing the war crimes. Like there's

722
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 2: a darkness in those eyes from day one.

723
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:37,240
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think it's innate. I think it's chemical.

724
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:40,359
Speaker 1: I mean, well, yeah, sure, haiga. Why don't you tell

725
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 1: us about Mark Camban, the screenwriter meeting Ralph Machia.

726
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 2: Mark cam and the screenwriter are called meeting Ralph Machio,

727
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,359
Speaker 2: the other guy who just come off The Outsiders, which

728
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 2: made three times its budget back and starred half the

729
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 2: hot young actors in Hollywood. He remembered Ralph thusley no musculature,

730
00:37:57,719 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 2: a skinny, little string bean of a kid. He wasn't

731
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 2: particulal coordinated for martial arts. I showed him some simple

732
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 2: blocking and punching movies and he couldn't do them at all.

733
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 2: I said, that's perfect. We have a kid that knows nothing.

734
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 2: I wanted to win, and Ralph is the paradogmatic wimp.

735
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 1: Spoken like a true writer. There's a lot of a

736
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of ten dollars words there.

737
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 2: Yeah. The character was initially named Weber, Daniel Weber, so

738
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 2: they took one look at Ralphiel and we're like, we

739
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 2: gotta allive oil this one up a bit boom.

740
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 1: What's his name of the movie? I'm forgetting now.

741
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 2: Daniel Russo' excuse Daniel LaRusso from Jersey from Newark, r H.

742
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 2: Kind of looks like he does all these like mooky

743
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 2: Jersey lines At the Viginni, he like talks about a

744
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 2: dog and he's like, the dog reminds me Aunt Sally

745
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 2: or something.

746
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 1: He's laying it on so thick. Well, this brings us

747
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:53,840
Speaker 1: to mister Miyagi, one of the most beloved characters in

748
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: cinema history, at least of the last forty five years.

749
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, dudeeah, a modern icon of father figure to all

750
00:38:59,239 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 2: of us.

751
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:04,760
Speaker 1: Yes. Producer Jerry win Troup wanted Toshira Mafune, legendary Japanese

752
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:08,800
Speaker 1: director Kira Kuasawa's main leading man in great Samurai films

753
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:13,400
Speaker 1: like Seventh Samurai, Raschamone and Hidden Fortress. He would have

754
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 1: been a great mister Miyagi, but unfortunately he did not

755
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 1: speak English, so that made things a little harder. But

756
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:22,959
Speaker 1: when Noki Yuki pat Marita came up for the role,

757
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 1: he had a very hard road to it. Ralph Machio

758
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,240
Speaker 1: recalled the Rolling Stone. They didn't want Pat Marita at first.

759
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 1: Jerry win Troup, who apparently remembered Narita from doing stand

760
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 1: up in the Catskills comedy circuit. That's where Narita's got

761
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 1: his start.

762
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 2: Do you want to know what he was booked as?

763
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 1: What was his name? The hip nip. I've heard that. Actually,

764
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 1: you know why? I know that. John Lennon, during his

765
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:50,800
Speaker 1: Dicavit interviews in nineteen seventy one, referenced him. I've heard that. Yeah,

766
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 1: I'm sure he loved that. I get to use a

767
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 1: slur on live television. Sorry, his one is little more nasal.

768
00:39:57,560 --> 00:39:59,280
Speaker 2: I get to use a slur on live television.

769
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 1: That Paul Jerry ryn Job said that the studio said,

770
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 1: no way, No, Arnold from Happy Days not gonna happen.

771
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 1: But he was unhappy Tom. But I don't think that

772
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 1: was al. I'm getting Alan Arnold confused.

773
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:15,399
Speaker 2: That's right, he was Arnold in Happy Days.

774
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 1: Yes. First assistant director Clifford Coleman told Sports Illustrated for

775
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:22,840
Speaker 1: their Illustrated history on Karate Kid, nobody wanted Pat Marita.

776
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 1: He had a horrible background. He was the type of

777
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 1: stand up comic who got up on stage loaded, dirty

778
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 1: and foul. He was not Pat Marita. The sense I

779
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:36,320
Speaker 1: forgot that that was his background. Narita's then wife Yuki

780
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 1: told Sports Illustrated, our family had gone through quite a

781
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 1: bit around that time. We'd lost a home in a

782
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 1: mud slide. This is like biblical. My mother died, my

783
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 1: youngest daughter was ill. Pat wasn't working that successfully as

784
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:52,919
Speaker 1: a comic. Culturally, Asian Americans were considered very relevant back then.

785
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 1: It was tokenism at the time. They all had to

786
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:59,320
Speaker 1: grapple with the same jobs in Hollywood. Narita's daughter Ali added,

787
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 1: my dad come from playing these ching Chong chinaman roles.

788
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 1: That's a quote her words, her words, thank you. That

789
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,800
Speaker 1: gets tiring and demeaning and draining. Here was a character,

790
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 1: mister Miyagi, who had a past history, and there was

791
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 1: this wonderful relationship between him and Daniel Lusso. Narita, ah

792
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 1: had a pretty rough life even before all this show

793
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 1: business traviles.

794
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, imagine this life and being like, I know, I'll

795
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 2: go into show business.

796
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 1: He was a son at immigrant farm workers in California,

797
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 1: and he was diagnosed with spinal tuberculosis at age two,

798
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 1: and his legs were paralyzed. As a result, Mister Miyagi,

799
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 1: the quintessential martial arts instructor, couldn't use his legs for

800
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 1: nine years. He would later tell People Magazine. I was

801
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 1: in a cast from my shoulders to my knees until

802
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 1: he was what eleven years old. Yeah, he underwent experimental

803
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:59,320
Speaker 1: surgery in nineteen forty two and regained the ability to walk.

804
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 1: But fans of history will know that in December nineteen

805
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 1: forty one, something very bad happened, the Pearl Harbor attack.

806
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,280
Speaker 1: So as soon as he regained his ability to walk,

807
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 1: he was marched right to in Arizona internment camp for

808
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:17,359
Speaker 1: Japanese Americans during World War Two, one of our more

809
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 1: recent atrocities. Yeah. Well we in the grand skill scale

810
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 1: history since then.

811
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:25,360
Speaker 2: Well, that's true, that's true.

812
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 1: Yeah. LaRita worked at his parents restaurant after the war

813
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 1: and after his father's death in a hit and run accident.

814
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:37,439
Speaker 2: Jesus, he was hit walking home from the movies where

815
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:39,359
Speaker 2: he would go to relax after work.

816
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 1: Oh man okay. Narita kept the restaurant going for another

817
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 1: three or four years with his mother. After marrying and

818
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 1: having his first child, Narita became a data processor in

819
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:56,839
Speaker 1: the early sixties with the Department of Motor Vehicles and

820
00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 1: other state agencies, graduating to a grave yard shift at

821
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 1: Aerojet General. Eventually he was the department head at another

822
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 1: aerospace firm, Lockheed, handling the liaison between the engineers and

823
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 1: the programmers who were mapping out lunar eclipses for the

824
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 1: Polaris and Titan missile projects. This is like approaching Forrest

825
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:19,840
Speaker 1: Gump territory in terms of like all these historical moments.

826
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:23,439
Speaker 1: He's it. Wow. Then he began to burn out on work,

827
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 1: understandably so, and in a crazy bit of a who's

828
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 1: who you know? Networking, how's your father? Et cetera.

829
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 2: He's watching you flail away with that at that was

830
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 2: a real joy for me.

831
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 1: He met Lenny Bruce's mom, the legendary groundbreaking comedian and

832
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:48,320
Speaker 1: First Amendment crusader Lenny Bruce. His mom talent agent, Sally Mahr,

833
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:52,319
Speaker 1: who encouraged him to try stand up comedy. And let

834
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 1: me tell you, when Lenny Bruce's mom encourages you to

835
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 1: go in the stand up comedy, that's what you do.

836
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 1: As Narita told the La Times in nineteen eighty, I

837
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 1: was twenty eight, maybe twenty nine one hundred and ninety

838
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 1: pounds Japanese butterball. I don't know that expression. With no

839
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 1: college degree of that kid, oh oh, with no college

840
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 1: degree in competition with PhDs, and therefore with a very

841
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 1: limited future in the company. I was unhappy and my

842
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 1: hair was falling out. I said, okay, what do you

843
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 1: really want to do? Doctor and priest are out. I

844
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:29,959
Speaker 1: couldn't sing, I couldn't dance. All I could do was talk.

845
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 1: It's like me.

846
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 2: He has some bangers, man, I mean. Norita used his

847
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:37,800
Speaker 2: comedy to upend a lot of the racism that he faced.

848
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 2: By way of an example, he would come out and

849
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 2: his first line would be, geez, these legs are so

850
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 2: bright they make my eyes squint.

851
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 1: Oh wow, wow, this is.

852
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 2: My favorite Pat Narita story. He performed for the twenty

853
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:54,320
Speaker 2: fifth reunion of the Survivors of Pearl Harbor and opened

854
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 2: by telling him he was sorry for messing up their heartburn,

855
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 2: going on to say, I'm really a talent, but I

856
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 2: had an eye. Job's amazing. He worked his way up

857
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 2: to Happy Days after some guest spots on Rowan and Martin,

858
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 2: Laughin Mash and Sandford and Son and around the same

859
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 2: time as Happy Days, he was in two different police

860
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 2: procedurals that I don't remember or know anything about, one

861
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:23,760
Speaker 2: called Mister T and Tina and another one called O'Hara,

862
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 2: which are I believe notable for being some of the

863
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:30,880
Speaker 2: first network television shows or TV shows period to starve

864
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:34,959
Speaker 2: Asian Americans, but otherwise have been completely disappeared from history.

865
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 2: As far as I'm concerned, I assume mister T is not.

866
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 2: It's not the different mister T. Yeah, different mister T

867
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:44,919
Speaker 2: like Ralph Machia. You know it's the other guy.

868
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:49,879
Speaker 1: Please, Mister T is my father. Work doesn't work there,

869
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:51,800
Speaker 1: I said it anyway.

870
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 2: When it came to The Karate Kid, Pat Nriita auditioned

871
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:58,319
Speaker 2: five times unsuccessfully, and it was on the fifth time

872
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 2: that he grew beard, adopted his uncle's Japanese accent, and

873
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 2: landed the role. His last wife, Evelyn, explained, when Jerry

874
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 2: Wine Trub saw it, he said, that's what I want,

875
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 2: a damn actor, not realizing it was Pat and already

876
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 2: even contributed to the film's wardrobe in two specific ways.

877
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 2: Ralph Machio told The Huffington Post in twenty fourteen that

878
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:21,800
Speaker 2: his character's blue and white headband was not a detail

879
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 2: mentioned in the script. It was just something that pat

880
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 2: Nrita had, so he took it. He took it out

881
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 2: to wipe his face during a take or after a

882
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 2: take and put it on Ralph's head and they were like, Okay,

883
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 2: that's going to be a bit in this now. And

884
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:39,720
Speaker 2: also he designed the Bonzai tree art that was something

885
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 2: his wife, That was something in Yagi's wife made, and

886
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 2: that later gets sewn onto the back of Daniel's GHI

887
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 2: for the tournament. So really just killing it. This is

888
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 2: absolutely nuts. I didn't pick up on this as a kid, obviously,

889
00:46:56,560 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 2: but I really enjoyed researching it. His quote unquote drunk

890
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 2: scene in which Miagi recalls his military past and his

891
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 2: wife and son's death in an internment camp. Uh literally

892
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 2: reduced the cast and crew to tears when they filmed it,

893
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 2: and the studio wanted to cut it and came in

894
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 2: and Avelson had depressed them and be like, do not

895
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 2: lose this scene. Are you out of your damn mind?

896
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,360
Speaker 1: Of course they wanted to lose it. It was sad and

897
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:21,800
Speaker 1: slowing down. Of course, their studio.

898
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 2: Heads were like, eh, my god, but it's so moving.

899
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 1: Oh no, I agree, but I mean, of course, like

900
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 1: that makes it and it's such a great portrayal.

901
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, it's such a great portrayal of

902
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:33,319
Speaker 2: drunk mood swings. How when he when Daniel comes over,

903
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:36,280
Speaker 2: he's celebrating and like making him drink and yelling bonds

904
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 2: eye and then like three minutes later he's quietly crying.

905
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:45,840
Speaker 2: Pat Nrida lost his Oscar to hang s Nure for

906
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:48,799
Speaker 2: his role in The Killing Fields, which is about the

907
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 2: Cambodian pulpot fiasco. Let's call it the kerfuffle. That guy

908
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:57,919
Speaker 2: was murdered in nineteen ninety six. He was shot to death,

909
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 2: and yeah, he was shot to death La and what

910
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 2: they think it was attempted to be passed off as

911
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 2: a botched robbery, but they think he was literally a

912
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 2: hit put on him from the Cambodian government for doing

913
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 2: this role in this movie, and that they got some

914
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 2: people in La, Cambodians in La to shoot him.

915
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:19,840
Speaker 1: Anyway, now, I want to look up a list of

916
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 1: Oscar winners who were murdered. That's a good listical it

917
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:27,760
Speaker 1: is I stumble on something else. Oscar winners you didn't

918
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 1: know are murderers, Okay, you have my attention.

919
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 2: This Miaggi Seine has been highlighted as one of the

920
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 2: first times that Hollywood ever addressed one of many of

921
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:42,880
Speaker 2: America's shames. They previously mentioned internment camps of World War II,

922
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 2: though they were basically our version of concentration camps minus

923
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 2: the intentional murders. Although over eighteen hundred people died from

924
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:53,800
Speaker 2: medical problems while in the internment camps due to a

925
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 2: lack of supplies and proper care, with one in ten

926
00:48:56,880 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 2: from tuberculosis, So that whole bit about his wife and

927
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 2: son dying from complications at childbirth is very plausible and

928
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 2: a total real thing that could happen. But the scene

929
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 2: is also a really important moment of recognition for the

930
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:15,319
Speaker 2: four hundred and forty second Infantry Regiment and the one

931
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 2: hundredth Infantry Battalion who were part of that. Initially, men

932
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 2: of Japanese descent were forbidden from enlisting in the army,

933
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 2: but the US quickly reversed course on that for obvious reasons,

934
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 2: and those groups were mostly made up of men from

935
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:32,840
Speaker 2: Hawaii as well as Japanese Americans from the continental United States.

936
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 2: They fought mostly in the European theater, and the forty

937
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 2: second and one hundredth remain the most decorated units in

938
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 2: the history of the US Army.

939
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 1: That is wild.

940
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 2: Shouldn't that be like a trivia effect that's on more

941
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 2: people's tongues. Like you think about, like what was the

942
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 2: most you probably think it's something in World War Two

943
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 2: or maybe Vietnam. No, it was a bunch of people

944
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 2: who we had previously put in prison for being who

945
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 2: they were, and then we took advantage of them and

946
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:03,839
Speaker 2: them into the European theater. These combined units earned in

947
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 2: under two years.

948
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:11,280
Speaker 3: Over four thousand Purple Hearts, four thousand Bronze Stars, seven

949
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 3: Presidential Unit citations, five and one month, and twenty one

950
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 3: Medals of Honor, the highest honor you can receive for

951
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 3: serving in the military.

952
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:23,879
Speaker 1: The Purple Hearts. The four thousand Purple Herts really bummed

953
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:25,759
Speaker 1: me out because that's for basically getting.

954
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:27,360
Speaker 2: That's what you just get for being wounded.

955
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's sad, I mean, it's all sad.

956
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 2: Known as the Go for Broke Regiment for their attitude

957
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 2: towards combat before to forty second produced a number of

958
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:39,800
Speaker 2: notable figures, including s Neo Fujita who's a graphic designer

959
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:45,360
Speaker 2: who designed the Godfather font and also the Today's Show

960
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:49,360
Speaker 2: logo that's been in place since nineteen seventy. Daniel Inoue,

961
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 2: who served as Senator from Hawaii for fifty years until

962
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 2: his death in twenty twelve. Chikashi Halo Herosi, the first

963
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:59,240
Speaker 2: Japanese American to represent the United States in any international

964
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 2: swimming competition, and the team he was on set a

965
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:05,040
Speaker 2: world record in Germany in nineteen thirty eight aka The

966
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 2: Jesse Owens Won When we Were dealing with the Nazis.

967
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 2: Also Shinkichi Tajiri, an actor who won the Palm d'Or

968
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:15,720
Speaker 2: at cann in nineteen fifty five, among many other politicians, actors,

969
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 2: and assorted other luminaries. There's a great episode of Community

970
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 2: where the two characters are cast in a theatrical adaptation

971
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 2: of The Karate Kid, and the director Jason manzukis he

972
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 2: says The Karate Kid is about Katsuki Miagi, an immigrant

973
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:34,799
Speaker 2: who fought against his own people in World War Two

974
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 2: while his wife lost a child in an internment camp.

975
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:40,280
Speaker 2: Morito was nominated for an Academy Award for his performance.

976
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:42,879
Speaker 2: Ralph Machio showed up.

977
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 1: For all of this, Pat Narrita secured the princely sum

978
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 1: of thirty thousand dollars, which, okay, let's see, justin for inflation,

979
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:59,799
Speaker 1: that's still not a lot. Just for inflation, that is

980
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 1: ninety one thousand dollars.

981
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:09,319
Speaker 2: Okay, Probably Burgess Meredith was probably making more by being

982
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 2: rock trainer and rocket at this point.

983
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 1: But at least Pat and Narita continue to ride the

984
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:15,480
Speaker 1: mister Miagi wave for a while, and in the late

985
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:18,840
Speaker 1: nineties he landed one of his most high profile later roles,

986
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:23,760
Speaker 1: voicing the Emperor in Mulan's one and two. Sadly, sadly

987
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 1: you like Hawaii. You like Hawaii? Just as the tone there.

988
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 1: Once I saw it, I was reading, that's a pro.

989
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:33,279
Speaker 2: Move right there, You're professional, sir.

990
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:37,400
Speaker 1: Sadly, Pat and Uria struggled this entire life with the bottle.

991
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:38,719
Speaker 1: I can't now, I can't do because I still I

992
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 1: could be a psychastic Okay, hang on. Sadly, Pat and

993
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 1: Urita struggled this entire life with the bottle and ultimately

994
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 1: died of complications related to alcoholism in twenty twelve.

995
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was sad. Most people really genuinely just talk

996
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 2: about him being like a drunk his whole life, and

997
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 2: that's one of the reasons why they didn't want him

998
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:58,800
Speaker 2: in the movie, because he was known for being like

999
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:01,720
Speaker 2: a faced blue comic all the time.

1000
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 1: Now, let's move on to Daniel's mom, played by Randy Heller,

1001
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 1: who's known to me relevant to my interests as the

1002
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:13,239
Speaker 1: first woman to play Rizzo in Greece on Broadway. That's

1003
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 1: very cool. She'd risen the prominence playing Alice in the

1004
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 1: nineteen seventies TV series Soap, which is the I think

1005
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:23,280
Speaker 1: provided Billy Crystal with his breakout role if I recall

1006
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 1: the soap opera Parity with a not very original name.

1007
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:30,320
Speaker 1: On the show, she played one of the first lesbian

1008
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 1: characters on television, So that's very cool. She would go

1009
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:37,319
Speaker 1: on the play a secretary in Madmen. Huh.

1010
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:44,440
Speaker 2: She's Don Draper and Donald Price's secretary. She's little into like.

1011
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 2: I think her arc is that she has weird sex.

1012
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:49,760
Speaker 2: She's like an old woman who has horny sex.

1013
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:55,719
Speaker 1: Oh she's Miss Blankenship. Yeah, oh wow, Oh she's hilarious. Okay.

1014
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 1: Miss Blankenship was like the old lady. Yeah, it was

1015
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 1: the old lady secretary who died on the job. And

1016
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:03,359
Speaker 1: then they like eulogize her, and one of them was like,

1017
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 1: she was born in a barn. She died on the

1018
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 1: you know, fortieth floor of the Time Life building. She

1019
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:14,799
Speaker 1: was an astronaut, I think, goes Bert Cooper. Wow, I'll

1020
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 1: be damn. I never made that connection. That's cool. She's

1021
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 1: also in Rocky, yet another Rocky connection for the Karate kids.

1022
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 1: She's the voice who yells out, can you do it

1023
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 1: for me?

1024
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:29,440
Speaker 2: You're a hey rock You're a bum.

1025
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:30,279
Speaker 1: Thank you.

1026
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:32,240
Speaker 2: And the first thing is when he's doing the sad

1027
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:35,240
Speaker 2: walk to his apartment. Yeah, like passes by all the cliches,

1028
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:37,960
Speaker 2: like a doo wop group singing around a trash can.

1029
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:41,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, uh, this is very cute. She got back in

1030
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:44,280
Speaker 1: touch with Ralph Macchio around the time with the twenty

1031
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:48,360
Speaker 1: ten remake, and the pair kept in contact, and Rochio,

1032
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 1: I love this is gonna make me cry adorably still

1033
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:55,280
Speaker 1: calls her mom. Very so.

1034
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 2: He is, like, by wide reports, one of the nicest

1035
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 2: men alive. So nothing untoorn about Ralph Machio, the movie guy,

1036
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:07,440
Speaker 2: not the comics guy. The film's younger antagonist, Johnny, was

1037
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:10,760
Speaker 2: played by William Billy Zabka. In his feature film debut,

1038
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 2: Zapka really made a meal out of being a blonde

1039
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 2: apple in the nineteen eighties. He took on similar roles

1040
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:18,320
Speaker 2: back to back after Karate Kid with just one of

1041
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 2: the guys and Back to School, Crispin Glover was supposedly

1042
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 2: given the role originally named Donald Rice. Imagine being beaten

1043
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:29,720
Speaker 2: up by a guy named Donald. I wouldn't take that seriously.

1044
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:36,240
Speaker 1: Well, the country did hell hell good stuff nice.

1045
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 2: But Zapka had auditioned for Karate Kid's casting director for

1046
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:43,279
Speaker 2: previous film, and she didn't forget him. Zaka told The

1047
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:45,440
Speaker 2: av Club in twenty ten, it was the first script

1048
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:47,560
Speaker 2: I ever read where I thought, well, this is kind

1049
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:51,400
Speaker 2: of easy. I don't even have to act this alarming,

1050
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:54,520
Speaker 2: But then he cleared, Yeah, then a minute, not that

1051
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:56,680
Speaker 2: I'm a jerk, but I just get the guy. I

1052
00:55:56,719 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 2: went to the interview, pulled up in my dad's nineteen

1053
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 2: seventy run Volvo station wagon with Deaf Leopard playing in

1054
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:04,239
Speaker 2: the car. I walked into the room and there was

1055
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 2: a whole world of blonde haired, blue eyed Johnny's, and

1056
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:09,439
Speaker 2: everybody seemed to be in character. When he got done

1057
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 2: with his audition, he lurked around the corner and came

1058
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 2: up to Ralph Macchio when he saw him coming out,

1059
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 2: and he was like, hey, how'd to go? And Ralph said,

1060
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 2: you know, everybody was really good, but I told him

1061
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 2: you scared it out of me. Zabka talked about his

1062
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:25,680
Speaker 2: actual audition in depth with Collider. It his first scene

1063
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:27,719
Speaker 2: that was ultimately cut from the film, but he said,

1064
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:29,359
Speaker 2: my line was what's your mouth?

1065
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:29,759
Speaker 1: Hole?

1066
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 2: So that was my scene and I walked up. I

1067
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:35,880
Speaker 2: grabbed John Abelson, the director, and said, watch your mouth, asshole.

1068
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 2: I had a headband onto my audition. I don't know

1069
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:42,120
Speaker 2: why that's a salient detail, but okay. I exited the

1070
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 2: room in this dramatic fashion and then came back in,

1071
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 2: took my headband off and sat down in front of

1072
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 2: John and said, I'm sorry, that was Johnny.

1073
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:55,360
Speaker 1: That wasn't Billy. Every time every time I say something

1074
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:58,160
Speaker 1: dickish to you, I'm sorry.

1075
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:03,560
Speaker 2: She was like, that was DJ Dick. So then Abelson

1076
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:05,440
Speaker 2: is like, how old are you? You're a little bit

1077
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 2: bigger than our karate kid, because Zapka had wrestled in

1078
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 2: high school, and Samka hits him back with, yeah, well,

1079
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 2: Bruce Lee was smaller than Karribe Abdul Jabbar, but he

1080
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 2: beat him in Game of Death and john Gie Evilson says, yeah,

1081
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 2: that is true.

1082
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:23,920
Speaker 1: He's younger, but he's younger than Machio too, like two years. Yeah.

1083
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:28,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, got his hair in this movie is incredible. The

1084
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 2: film's fight coordinator was a guy named Pat Johnson. He

1085
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 2: plays the mustachioed referee in the tournament at the end,

1086
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 2: and he ran these guys through the ringer to get

1087
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 2: them into shape for the movie. Zapka told the av Club,

1088
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 2: I was training four hours a day, five days a

1089
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 2: week from month of just rehearsals and then throughout the

1090
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 2: two months shoot, so I had three months of training.

1091
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:51,120
Speaker 2: Every single day I got worked. I walked home like spaghetti.

1092
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 2: My legs were falling out, my back was killing me.

1093
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:56,360
Speaker 2: Pat Johnson is also is a real deal and apparently

1094
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:58,240
Speaker 2: a real hard ass. He has a ninth degree black

1095
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 2: belt in tang sudu ark and tangsu Dou and appeared

1096
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:04,920
Speaker 2: in and choreographed films like the original Buffy the Vampire Slayer,

1097
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:07,880
Speaker 2: Teenage Mutant, Ninja, Turtles, and also the nineteen ninety five

1098
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:10,480
Speaker 2: Mortal Combat which has a very dear place in my

1099
00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:10,920
Speaker 2: heart and He.

1100
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:12,880
Speaker 1: Just died last year at the age of eighty four.

1101
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:17,959
Speaker 2: Johnson trained Machio and the Cobra Kai guys separately. Chad

1102
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 2: McQueen described him as a hard ass mother. Zabka elaborated,

1103
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:24,280
Speaker 2: if I was doing something sloppy, Pat would grab me

1104
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:26,480
Speaker 2: and twist my leg. If I ever turned my back

1105
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:28,200
Speaker 2: on him, he'd sweep me to the ground and say,

1106
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:30,200
Speaker 2: never turn your back on anyone, a scene that is

1107
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 2: replicated directly in the film.

1108
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:33,640
Speaker 1: That sounds like something that would have been done to

1109
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:36,720
Speaker 1: you when you were like working on your black belts. Yeah.

1110
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:40,840
Speaker 2: Maybe. Meanwhile, Pat Johnson said of Machio and Zapka they

1111
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:43,960
Speaker 2: would moan and bitch. They developed a relationship because they

1112
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:46,480
Speaker 2: had that in common. So Zapka and the rest of

1113
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:49,160
Speaker 2: the Cobra Kai guys were deliberately kept separate from Ralph

1114
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:53,520
Speaker 2: Macchio and all housed together to reinforce the creepy Airyan

1115
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:55,439
Speaker 2: chemistry that they had and that is not a joke.

1116
00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:58,600
Speaker 2: Most of them had to dye their hair blonde. John

1117
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:02,520
Speaker 2: Kreaese actor Martin told them for the entrance scene in

1118
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:05,000
Speaker 2: the tournament, He said, I want you to march out

1119
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:09,320
Speaker 2: like your Hitler youth going through a parade. So if

1120
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:12,040
Speaker 2: you're ever wondering why the Copra Chai guys are creepy

1121
00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:16,440
Speaker 2: and arian, don't worry. That was intended. The Copra boys,

1122
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:19,320
Speaker 2: as I'm now calling them, trained not only in martial arts,

1123
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 2: but also soccer from a guy who knew Peley apparently,

1124
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:25,080
Speaker 2: and dirt bike riding, so they got to do all

1125
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:27,600
Speaker 2: this cool stuff together and hang out. But they were

1126
00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:29,840
Speaker 2: kept totally separate from Ralph Machio. So they came in

1127
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:33,000
Speaker 2: and their chemistry was immediately locked in as like gang

1128
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:38,360
Speaker 2: against spaghetti. Ron Thomas, who's the guy who plays Bobby? Who?

1129
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:41,160
Speaker 2: I can't keep them straight, but I think Bobby's the

1130
00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:44,320
Speaker 2: guy who receives the command sweep the legs.

1131
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:45,640
Speaker 1: Johnny, there's Bobby.

1132
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:49,160
Speaker 2: No, no, yeah, there's Johnny, Bobby and Tommy. Never mind cut.

1133
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:51,560
Speaker 2: They did do a very good job of differentiating one

1134
00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:54,920
Speaker 2: of them. They should have used just in their real names, Chad.

1135
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:58,440
Speaker 2: It would have been great. Ron Thomas, the guy who

1136
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:01,760
Speaker 2: plays Bobby, was a degree back belt in jiu jitsu

1137
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:04,640
Speaker 2: when it happened, and he told Sports Illustrated. My agent

1138
01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:06,640
Speaker 2: told me not to say anything about my experience that

1139
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:08,600
Speaker 2: they were only hiring actors and they were going to

1140
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:12,040
Speaker 2: train you anyway, so shut up. Six weeks into training,

1141
01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:14,680
Speaker 2: Pat Johnson comes up to me and goes, you know something,

1142
01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:17,720
Speaker 2: don't you? And I had to spill the beans. Imagine

1143
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:21,360
Speaker 2: that terrifying, ripped like mustachioed man coming up and saying,

1144
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:23,960
Speaker 2: you know something, don't you? I would confess to the

1145
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:25,920
Speaker 2: Kennedy assassination.

1146
01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:34,880
Speaker 1: Lynnberg, baby kidnapping, anything, Yeah, anything, I'm son of Sam.

1147
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:36,880
Speaker 1: We're going to take a quick break, but we'll be

1148
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:39,440
Speaker 1: right back with more too much information in just a

1149
01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:54,280
Speaker 1: moment getting away from the Hitler Youth. This was Elizabeth

1150
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:57,560
Speaker 1: shoes first film. She'd done a Burger King commercial just prior,

1151
01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:02,160
Speaker 1: and she has a sadly typical Hollywood story about shooting

1152
01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:04,720
Speaker 1: the film's beach scene on the first day of filming,

1153
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:09,200
Speaker 1: which took place on Halloween nineteen eighty three, which is

1154
01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:12,720
Speaker 1: both a hilarious day, very inauspicious day to start filming,

1155
01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:14,800
Speaker 1: and it's also a bad day to film a beach

1156
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:17,480
Speaker 1: scene because it's late in the year and everyone was freezing.

1157
01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:20,640
Speaker 1: She told Sports Illustrated. When we first started filming, I

1158
01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:24,000
Speaker 1: was given a trainer, Jake Steinfeld of Body by Jake

1159
01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:27,280
Speaker 1: Fame and asked to stay in shape. Once the beach

1160
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:29,400
Speaker 1: scene was shot, I went back to eating whatever I

1161
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:33,440
Speaker 1: wanted watch the movie. I slowly gained weight throughout the

1162
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:37,280
Speaker 1: rest of it. Speaking of that, able to explain the

1163
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:41,880
Speaker 1: matchup between Shoe and Machio as quote Strawberry Shortcake and Canoli,

1164
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:46,240
Speaker 1: I like you telling you the guys a quote Michelle Yeah,

1165
01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:52,560
Speaker 1: slightly racist or reductive at least yeah. Also, Billy Zapka

1166
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:55,720
Speaker 1: explained that any country club scene, Elizabeth Shoe nailed him

1167
01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:58,640
Speaker 1: in the face, take after take with Pat Johnson the

1168
01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:00,440
Speaker 1: fight choreographer, egging her on.

1169
01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:04,160
Speaker 2: To put more into it each time, give him one more.

1170
01:02:04,080 --> 01:02:09,560
Speaker 1: Hit him like he knows something. Martin Cove, who played

1171
01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:13,320
Speaker 1: the Cobra Kai sense John Creese had it relatively easy

1172
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:16,280
Speaker 1: as far as training was concerned. He basically shadowed Pat

1173
01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:18,840
Speaker 1: Johnson as he trained the others and modeled his character

1174
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:23,520
Speaker 1: after Johnson himself. Other actors supposedly floated for the character

1175
01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:28,000
Speaker 1: of John Creese, where Kurt Russell whoa, Jeff Bridges, Okay

1176
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:33,440
Speaker 1: Harvey Kaitel, Leonard Nimoy whoa, and Christopher Walkin, all of

1177
01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:34,440
Speaker 1: which would rule.

1178
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:36,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would go with all of them except maybe

1179
01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:39,200
Speaker 2: Nimoy and Walkin. I think Walkin would have he still

1180
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:42,600
Speaker 2: had he would be like quietly sinister, but like those

1181
01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:46,400
Speaker 2: like Kurt Russell, Jeff Bridges, Harvey Kitel, that's like I'm

1182
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:50,040
Speaker 2: scared of Harvey Kaytel, even though he's like five to one.

1183
01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:51,520
Speaker 2: I think the other two might have been a little

1184
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:54,560
Speaker 2: goody goody at that time for their image to take

1185
01:02:54,560 --> 01:02:58,280
Speaker 2: on like a villain role. But well, Kurt Russell had

1186
01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:00,480
Speaker 2: been doing around this time, Big Trouble China.

1187
01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:06,160
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay, yeah yeah. Also Steven Siga auditions director

1188
01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:08,560
Speaker 1: John I can never say his name director John Evanson

1189
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:12,439
Speaker 1: was not impressed with his performance. He's famously known as

1190
01:03:12,520 --> 01:03:16,120
Speaker 1: the worst guest on Saturday Night Live history if I

1191
01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:20,320
Speaker 1: recall Sigal Yeah, oh my god, I think both he

1192
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:22,680
Speaker 1: was a nightmare to actually like work with and do

1193
01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:23,160
Speaker 1: stuff with.

1194
01:03:23,640 --> 01:03:27,440
Speaker 2: And he's just like a legendary tool. Yeah, he's just

1195
01:03:27,600 --> 01:03:30,240
Speaker 2: one of the one of the worst people to be

1196
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:34,760
Speaker 2: elevated to celebrity. Yeah, I mean, have you watched his

1197
01:03:34,840 --> 01:03:37,880
Speaker 2: blues guitar playing. No, Oh, he's put out multiple I

1198
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:40,360
Speaker 2: think maybe one is called Meditations from the Crystal Cave.

1199
01:03:40,560 --> 01:03:43,040
Speaker 2: So he's put out at least one album of blues rock,

1200
01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:48,200
Speaker 2: maybe multiples to this point. But he's a pretty guitar player,

1201
01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:50,760
Speaker 2: and God bless those men in his band who like

1202
01:03:51,560 --> 01:03:54,919
Speaker 2: go around supporting him for these tours, which I guess

1203
01:03:54,920 --> 01:03:56,160
Speaker 2: now are probably in Russia.

1204
01:03:56,360 --> 01:03:58,520
Speaker 1: I didn't know any of that. Wow, that's really strange.

1205
01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:00,760
Speaker 2: Hmm, yeah, you should watch it.

1206
01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:08,400
Speaker 1: It's no, that's okay. Yeah. But the actor who eventually

1207
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:10,439
Speaker 1: did get the part of John Crease, Martin Cove, would

1208
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:13,320
Speaker 1: later tell Sports Illustrated, I got the attitude for my

1209
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:17,200
Speaker 1: character from Pat Pat Johnson, the fight choreographer. I used

1210
01:04:17,240 --> 01:04:18,600
Speaker 1: his is that word?

1211
01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:19,640
Speaker 2: Oh keii?

1212
01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:20,760
Speaker 1: What's that?

1213
01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:23,920
Speaker 2: It's like the yell you do when you strike?

1214
01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:28,560
Speaker 1: Oh oh? I use his Kia's yeah you did a

1215
01:04:28,600 --> 01:04:30,160
Speaker 1: good job. I didn't know that was a term. I

1216
01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:33,160
Speaker 1: thought that was like people just yelling, Oh, you're supposed

1217
01:04:33,160 --> 01:04:34,000
Speaker 1: to do. I didn't know that.

1218
01:04:34,120 --> 01:04:36,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, every time you every time you strike, it's like

1219
01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:38,320
Speaker 2: forces the breath out. It's a whole thing.

1220
01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:40,840
Speaker 1: My version of it was a little Howard Dean, wasn't it.

1221
01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:45,640
Speaker 2: Ah, It's embarrassing when you're a little kid and they

1222
01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:47,600
Speaker 2: like I'm making you do that. In front of everyone.

1223
01:04:47,640 --> 01:04:49,760
Speaker 2: Your voice hasn't changed, or when you hit puberty and

1224
01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:51,680
Speaker 2: your voice changes, it starts cracking all the.

1225
01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:56,080
Speaker 1: Time, like yeah, that must tone the intimidation factor down.

1226
01:04:56,200 --> 01:05:02,120
Speaker 1: It's it's like substantially the puppies growling like yeah, exactly, yeah.

1227
01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:03,600
Speaker 1: I would never be able to do that. I couldn't

1228
01:05:03,600 --> 01:05:05,920
Speaker 1: even do the mak arena like family weddings. So I

1229
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:09,360
Speaker 1: was a kid like I could never yell yah ah.

1230
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:13,280
Speaker 1: Martin Cove continued, I used the way that Pat Johnson

1231
01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:15,800
Speaker 1: stood with his hands and his belt. I became the

1232
01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:19,680
Speaker 1: Darth Vader of the karate world. The character of John

1233
01:05:19,720 --> 01:05:22,560
Speaker 1: Creese is established as a Vietnam Vet by some posters

1234
01:05:22,600 --> 01:05:25,440
Speaker 1: hanging on the wall of the dojo. Martin Cove, who

1235
01:05:25,560 --> 01:05:28,360
Speaker 1: seems like a real character you note, shared that he

1236
01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:32,600
Speaker 1: came into Cobra Kai with an unbelievably dark backstory for

1237
01:05:32,680 --> 01:05:34,600
Speaker 1: his character that he made up himself.

1238
01:05:35,520 --> 01:05:37,800
Speaker 2: So they brought back a lot of guys, well, they

1239
01:05:37,800 --> 01:05:39,880
Speaker 2: brought back a lot of guys for Cobra Kai, apparently

1240
01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:42,600
Speaker 2: well the TV show movie and started, yeah, and started

1241
01:05:42,640 --> 01:05:44,320
Speaker 2: fleshing them, like giving them.

1242
01:05:44,200 --> 01:05:46,000
Speaker 1: Backstories and flashbacks and all this.

1243
01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:50,240
Speaker 2: John j Abelson said something like, all right, see you

1244
01:05:50,520 --> 01:05:54,040
Speaker 2: talk to Martin Cove. Huh, that guy can talk. But

1245
01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:56,680
Speaker 2: please regale us with the story that Martin Cove made

1246
01:05:56,720 --> 01:05:57,880
Speaker 2: up for John Creese.

1247
01:05:58,160 --> 01:06:02,160
Speaker 1: Yes, apparently crees it's all a platoon buddy get blown

1248
01:06:02,240 --> 01:06:06,080
Speaker 1: up by a child suicide bomber, and after witnessing this atroscity,

1249
01:06:06,120 --> 01:06:07,960
Speaker 1: he vowed to quote show no mercy.

1250
01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:12,840
Speaker 2: Ever again, what a thing to prepare as, I mean

1251
01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:15,640
Speaker 2: an actor prepares. Yeah, yes, I'm told.

1252
01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:19,840
Speaker 1: A popular rumor is that the character of John Crease

1253
01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:23,840
Speaker 1: was originally written for Chuck Norris, but director John Avilson

1254
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:27,200
Speaker 1: has disputed ever offer ignores the role, and Chuck Norris

1255
01:06:27,240 --> 01:06:29,720
Speaker 1: himself supposedly said at one point that he turned down

1256
01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:33,000
Speaker 1: the role because he thought it would give Karate a

1257
01:06:33,040 --> 01:06:37,680
Speaker 1: negative image. Martin Koch, meanwhile, who did get the role,

1258
01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:40,560
Speaker 1: locked it down by taking his anger out on the

1259
01:06:40,600 --> 01:06:44,120
Speaker 1: director in his audition. John Avilson saw my picture and

1260
01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:46,240
Speaker 1: said we don't want him. He recalled in a thirtieth

1261
01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:49,480
Speaker 1: anniversary event for the film in twenty fourteen. I got

1262
01:06:49,520 --> 01:06:52,040
Speaker 1: another shot, and they liked me and sent me the script.

1263
01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:55,080
Speaker 1: He was promised a week to read the script, but

1264
01:06:55,120 --> 01:06:57,960
Speaker 1: then he got a call the next morning, calling him

1265
01:06:57,960 --> 01:07:01,000
Speaker 1: in for an audition. I looked at it, he said,

1266
01:07:01,160 --> 01:07:03,400
Speaker 1: I looked at the script. I was really pissed off,

1267
01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:06,400
Speaker 1: and I used all that venom. The scene was Mercy

1268
01:07:06,520 --> 01:07:08,840
Speaker 1: is for the Week and pacing up and down the dojo.

1269
01:07:09,640 --> 01:07:13,280
Speaker 1: Bottom line was, I berated John Avilson. I toltally. It

1270
01:07:13,320 --> 01:07:15,360
Speaker 1: was such as all that just beat him up verbally,

1271
01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:18,920
Speaker 1: and he loved it. I got the part. He's genuinely frightening.

1272
01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:20,960
Speaker 1: He's a great villain. Yeah.

1273
01:07:21,040 --> 01:07:24,440
Speaker 2: Also from that event, Billy Zabka claims that after the movie,

1274
01:07:24,560 --> 01:07:28,280
Speaker 2: a real San Fernando Valley karate gang, which is an

1275
01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:31,560
Speaker 2: amazing thing for me to learn about and read out

1276
01:07:31,600 --> 01:07:34,600
Speaker 2: loud one to beat him up. I choose to believe

1277
01:07:34,640 --> 01:07:39,000
Speaker 2: it's true. And also, Martin Cove revealed that he and

1278
01:07:39,080 --> 01:07:41,120
Speaker 2: Pat Narita used to see each other twice a year

1279
01:07:41,160 --> 01:07:45,720
Speaker 2: after the movie came out, which is super cute. Cove

1280
01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:48,320
Speaker 2: also shared that John Everlson told him not to smile

1281
01:07:48,520 --> 01:07:50,600
Speaker 2: and that the only person who ever confronted him about

1282
01:07:50,600 --> 01:07:53,320
Speaker 2: his villainous role in person was a five year old

1283
01:07:53,320 --> 01:07:55,280
Speaker 2: who walked up to him and said, you hurt Ralph

1284
01:07:55,400 --> 01:07:59,280
Speaker 2: and punched him in the stomach. He's a big Thor fan.

1285
01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:03,000
Speaker 1: You really you love you love the fact that there

1286
01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:04,440
Speaker 1: are two Rolp Macchio's.

1287
01:08:04,200 --> 01:08:08,400
Speaker 2: Ralph Macchio is is such a specific name though, like

1288
01:08:08,560 --> 01:08:13,160
Speaker 2: two of them. Yeah, wouldn't you start going myray if

1289
01:08:13,200 --> 01:08:15,640
Speaker 2: you like you were in comics and then all of

1290
01:08:15,680 --> 01:08:19,599
Speaker 2: a sudden, like your name became famous beyond reason for

1291
01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:21,439
Speaker 2: a few years, Like, wouldn't you just start.

1292
01:08:21,280 --> 01:08:24,679
Speaker 1: I don't know anyway, No, it's the office space rule.

1293
01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:26,880
Speaker 1: It's like Michael, It's like, no, why should I change

1294
01:08:26,920 --> 01:08:29,800
Speaker 1: some one who sucks? Although Ralp Macchio doesn't suck, so

1295
01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:33,240
Speaker 1: maybe he was like cool, Yeah, it's a badge of honor.

1296
01:08:33,479 --> 01:08:36,640
Speaker 2: Also, Martin Cove mentioned in one of these interviews that

1297
01:08:36,720 --> 01:08:39,360
Speaker 2: his son owns a vape shop. So if you're into that,

1298
01:08:39,439 --> 01:08:41,759
Speaker 2: I guess you can order a vape juice called Sweep

1299
01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:49,480
Speaker 2: the Leg from Bonzi Vapors. After securing permission from California's

1300
01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:54,680
Speaker 2: then governor, George Duke Duke Median Duke Median, No, I.

1301
01:08:54,600 --> 01:08:55,759
Speaker 1: Don't never heard that name.

1302
01:08:56,439 --> 01:08:57,760
Speaker 2: Sounds Dutch Armenian.

1303
01:08:59,360 --> 01:08:59,960
Speaker 1: Uh.

1304
01:09:00,280 --> 01:09:02,840
Speaker 2: Anyway, this guy gave him the okay to shoot at

1305
01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:06,760
Speaker 2: Leo Correo Beach, Malibu. Normally productions are not allowed to

1306
01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:09,840
Speaker 2: be filmed on California beaches, but I guess this guy knew.

1307
01:09:09,880 --> 01:09:15,760
Speaker 2: Jerry Wintrub Daniel and Alley's Date was filmed in Norwalk,

1308
01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:18,960
Speaker 2: which is a town about an hour change from the valley,

1309
01:09:19,479 --> 01:09:23,080
Speaker 2: most notable this century for a nineteen fifty eight mid

1310
01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:26,519
Speaker 2: air collision between two military planes that killed forty seven

1311
01:09:26,600 --> 01:09:30,599
Speaker 2: servicemen and one civilian. Daniel and mister Biangi's apartment building

1312
01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:34,840
Speaker 2: was the South Seas, which, in production manager Susan Eakans words,

1313
01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:39,000
Speaker 2: was a crap hole, the absolute biggest dive apartment in Risida.

1314
01:09:39,479 --> 01:09:40,240
Speaker 2: It is still there.

1315
01:09:40,280 --> 01:09:48,560
Speaker 1: I believe Crapple is so much more evocative and offensive. Crapple.

1316
01:09:48,880 --> 01:09:52,799
Speaker 1: It's amaz I've never heard that in my life. Wow.

1317
01:09:54,320 --> 01:09:57,160
Speaker 1: The school scenes were filmed that Charles Evans Junior High

1318
01:09:57,200 --> 01:10:00,000
Speaker 1: School in Long Beach, and as far as your research showed,

1319
01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:03,000
Speaker 1: there are only two other films that use that same location,

1320
01:10:03,479 --> 01:10:06,120
Speaker 1: A Nightmare on Elm Street two and La Mark Harmon

1321
01:10:06,240 --> 01:10:10,600
Speaker 1: starring Summer School. Crease's Dojo was in North Hollywood and

1322
01:10:10,720 --> 01:10:16,880
Speaker 1: is now House of Intuition, which, per their website, sells

1323
01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:20,759
Speaker 1: quote spiritual gifts and goods to live a more magical life.

1324
01:10:21,560 --> 01:10:23,639
Speaker 1: We used to make this country. I'm choosing to read

1325
01:10:23,640 --> 01:10:24,519
Speaker 1: that as a sex shop.

1326
01:10:24,640 --> 01:10:27,120
Speaker 2: No, I mean yeah, but they know they sell candles

1327
01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:28,960
Speaker 2: and crystals.

1328
01:10:28,760 --> 01:10:30,920
Speaker 1: So clearly you haven't listened to Rick James is super

1329
01:10:30,920 --> 01:10:35,679
Speaker 1: freaking a while. Mister Maggie's house, meanwhile, was in Kenoka

1330
01:10:35,720 --> 01:10:38,599
Speaker 1: Park and had been demolished sadly by the time they

1331
01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:41,840
Speaker 1: filmed this third installment of The Karate Kid, so it

1332
01:10:41,880 --> 01:10:45,559
Speaker 1: was duly reconstructed on the Warner Brothers Ranch backlot in Burbank.

1333
01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:48,800
Speaker 1: The lake scene was filmed in Chatsworth Nature Preserve, which

1334
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:50,840
Speaker 1: had previously appeared on the big screen, dating all the

1335
01:10:50,840 --> 01:10:53,680
Speaker 1: way back to the Silent era, most notably in Cecil B.

1336
01:10:53,760 --> 01:10:58,680
Speaker 1: De Mill's The Ten Commandments, Howard Hughes's Hell's Angels and

1337
01:10:58,760 --> 01:11:01,599
Speaker 1: the Roy Rogers Western and Susannah Pass.

1338
01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:05,439
Speaker 2: It's a lo And I started bantering about this phrase

1339
01:11:05,479 --> 01:11:07,320
Speaker 2: because we've been watching a lot of stuff from the nineties,

1340
01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:09,920
Speaker 2: like Independence Day in the Rock recently, and it is

1341
01:11:10,040 --> 01:11:12,679
Speaker 2: just amazing. She was like, I get it. I get

1342
01:11:12,680 --> 01:11:16,640
Speaker 2: why you talk about, like why bygone errors of filmmaking

1343
01:11:16,760 --> 01:11:20,240
Speaker 2: are this good, you know, particularly in those two where

1344
01:11:20,280 --> 01:11:22,679
Speaker 2: it's just like these just it is the most dick

1345
01:11:22,760 --> 01:11:28,080
Speaker 2: swinging Michael Bay, Jerry Bruckheimer, Roland Emerick, just these huge

1346
01:11:28,120 --> 01:11:30,439
Speaker 2: shot and it was still shot on film, So it's

1347
01:11:30,479 --> 01:11:32,439
Speaker 2: just like everything. But so what we've been saying is

1348
01:11:32,880 --> 01:11:38,000
Speaker 2: every frame of painting and in that sunset there's like

1349
01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:40,639
Speaker 2: a sunset scene where they're training on the lake and

1350
01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:44,840
Speaker 2: she just they zoom out and she just whispered every

1351
01:11:44,840 --> 01:11:48,400
Speaker 2: frame of painting. Man, there's a level of artistry in those,

1352
01:11:48,439 --> 01:11:50,160
Speaker 2: and just by virtue of the fact that they're shot

1353
01:11:50,200 --> 01:11:53,000
Speaker 2: on film, they look so much better than this endless

1354
01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:54,879
Speaker 2: gray slop that we're just served.

1355
01:11:55,200 --> 01:11:57,080
Speaker 1: Did you see the Twister sequel?

1356
01:11:57,439 --> 01:12:02,320
Speaker 2: Fun? I mean understood the first one though. The first

1357
01:12:02,400 --> 01:12:05,920
Speaker 2: Twister is a genuine like masterpiece. I really regret not

1358
01:12:06,040 --> 01:12:08,640
Speaker 2: watching that for our podcast because we watched it. A

1359
01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:11,439
Speaker 2: buddy of my watched it recently and like, oh rules,

1360
01:12:11,680 --> 01:12:13,880
Speaker 2: it's one of these things that people a phrase that

1361
01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:16,360
Speaker 2: I saw on Twitter it is a five star three

1362
01:12:16,360 --> 01:12:17,720
Speaker 2: star film.

1363
01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:22,880
Speaker 1: Incredible. Wow, Yes, yes, wow. What are some other great

1364
01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:24,240
Speaker 1: five star three star films?

1365
01:12:24,400 --> 01:12:27,280
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean everything is China, Yeah, everything, I Like.

1366
01:12:29,320 --> 01:12:32,120
Speaker 2: Con Air isn't perfect, but it's It's got a there's

1367
01:12:32,160 --> 01:12:35,880
Speaker 2: a lot to love there, even like romantic comedies. Man

1368
01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:39,600
Speaker 2: like just like, oh, this has grain and texture to it,

1369
01:12:39,640 --> 01:12:43,680
Speaker 2: and people with union jobs like crafted these this wardrobe

1370
01:12:43,760 --> 01:12:47,240
Speaker 2: and makeup. It was done like by real people. It

1371
01:12:47,280 --> 01:12:50,400
Speaker 2: wasn't just digitally slapped on by a bunch of dehydrated

1372
01:12:50,479 --> 01:12:51,519
Speaker 2: Koreans after the fact.

1373
01:12:51,800 --> 01:12:56,240
Speaker 1: Aren't in a union, tweeted us at hashtag dehydrated Koreans.

1374
01:12:57,760 --> 01:12:59,519
Speaker 2: I think a lot of a lot of a lot

1375
01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:01,920
Speaker 2: of companies outsourced their animation labor to Korea.

1376
01:13:01,960 --> 01:13:04,280
Speaker 1: I'm not being raised, I know, I know. Yeah. Is

1377
01:13:04,320 --> 01:13:07,759
Speaker 1: that whorse? South Park does their animation though, Yeah, and Family,

1378
01:13:07,920 --> 01:13:08,439
Speaker 1: the Simpsons.

1379
01:13:08,439 --> 01:13:10,120
Speaker 2: I think the Simpsons were the first. I think it

1380
01:13:10,160 --> 01:13:11,840
Speaker 2: was a lot of Fox programs that started doing that.

1381
01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:12,479
Speaker 1: I'm my guy.

1382
01:13:12,560 --> 01:13:13,559
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.

1383
01:13:13,880 --> 01:13:17,240
Speaker 1: The climactic tournament sequence was shot in a week at

1384
01:13:17,280 --> 01:13:22,560
Speaker 1: what was then the Matador Gymnasium, known familiarly as the Matadome,

1385
01:13:23,479 --> 01:13:26,080
Speaker 1: a twenty five hundred seat indoor stadium on the campus

1386
01:13:26,080 --> 01:13:30,280
Speaker 1: of California State University's Northridge campus. As far as your

1387
01:13:30,280 --> 01:13:32,360
Speaker 1: research has turned up, it hasn't been used in any

1388
01:13:32,400 --> 01:13:35,479
Speaker 1: other films, but it was renamed the premiere America Credit

1389
01:13:35,720 --> 01:13:38,920
Speaker 1: Union Arena. Jesus rolls right off the tongue.

1390
01:13:39,200 --> 01:13:42,200
Speaker 2: I know, right, it already had a great nickname. They

1391
01:13:42,280 --> 01:13:46,120
Speaker 2: just whoof that name change.

1392
01:13:45,880 --> 01:13:49,439
Speaker 1: Occurred in twenty twenty two, and it's Wikipedia page contains

1393
01:13:49,479 --> 01:13:53,120
Speaker 1: four separate quotes about how much it sucked pre renovation

1394
01:13:53,240 --> 01:13:56,840
Speaker 1: in twenty fourteen, with oh, here you take this, then.

1395
01:13:58,520 --> 01:14:00,719
Speaker 2: It's just like it was. It was in this cool paper,

1396
01:14:00,920 --> 01:14:03,080
Speaker 2: like how much of this stadium was a crap hole

1397
01:14:03,160 --> 01:14:09,320
Speaker 2: and like hurting their recruitment chances on one player. A

1398
01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:11,960
Speaker 2: player on their team at the time told the student paper,

1399
01:14:12,160 --> 01:14:14,160
Speaker 2: I just wish we didn't have a dirty gym and

1400
01:14:14,280 --> 01:14:15,160
Speaker 2: crappy rims.

1401
01:14:17,240 --> 01:14:20,600
Speaker 1: Amazing. Machio and Zapka trained for their fight scene for

1402
01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:24,160
Speaker 1: the entire duration of the film's shoot, so I think

1403
01:14:24,200 --> 01:14:29,160
Speaker 1: they also did in Princess Bride too. When they guess

1404
01:14:29,200 --> 01:14:31,000
Speaker 1: any movie with fight scenes, you tend to lead that

1405
01:14:31,040 --> 01:14:33,320
Speaker 1: to the end, I guess and give players some time.

1406
01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:36,240
Speaker 1: They came and they performed it in one chunk in

1407
01:14:36,280 --> 01:14:38,879
Speaker 1: front of the audience that was there for the real tournament.

1408
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:42,040
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, kind of buried the lead on that. They

1409
01:14:42,120 --> 01:14:46,080
Speaker 2: basically staged an actual real karate tournament. To get people

1410
01:14:46,120 --> 01:14:48,040
Speaker 2: to show up and a crowd that they could film

1411
01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:49,840
Speaker 2: and other competitors that they could film.

1412
01:14:49,960 --> 01:14:55,160
Speaker 1: Good Move. Yeah. We had the producer Bill Gerber on

1413
01:14:55,400 --> 01:14:59,759
Speaker 1: the Paul and Katak Show that I produce and he's

1414
01:15:00,360 --> 01:15:03,160
Speaker 1: it was nominated for an oscar for the Bradley Cooper

1415
01:15:03,400 --> 01:15:07,960
Speaker 1: Lady Gaga Stars born. He was talking about how they

1416
01:15:08,600 --> 01:15:13,599
Speaker 1: filmed on location at Corchella between weekends there just because

1417
01:15:13,640 --> 01:15:15,960
Speaker 1: like all the stuff was already up and there was like,

1418
01:15:16,160 --> 01:15:18,360
Speaker 1: you know, ex's around and stuff. I like that. I

1419
01:15:18,439 --> 01:15:20,679
Speaker 1: like when they use it. There was a movie What's

1420
01:15:20,720 --> 01:15:23,240
Speaker 1: what's the movie that filmed at the DNC in sixty eight,

1421
01:15:23,320 --> 01:15:27,040
Speaker 1: like Ultimate Cool or something. I have no idea. Oh,

1422
01:15:27,120 --> 01:15:30,960
Speaker 1: it's medium cool. I was close, Okay. There was a

1423
01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:35,960
Speaker 1: movie by Haskell Wexler, the director was filmed at the

1424
01:15:36,080 --> 01:15:39,439
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty eight Democratic National Convention in Chicago where the

1425
01:15:39,520 --> 01:15:42,479
Speaker 1: riots famously happened. And it was like a narrative movie

1426
01:15:42,800 --> 01:15:47,120
Speaker 1: that just was like shot on location cinema verite style,

1427
01:15:47,280 --> 01:15:51,080
Speaker 1: like almost like a documentary with just like history unfolding

1428
01:15:51,080 --> 01:15:54,240
Speaker 1: in the background of you know, these riots in Chicago.

1429
01:15:54,560 --> 01:15:57,720
Speaker 1: I find that very interesting. I always like when they

1430
01:15:58,160 --> 01:16:00,799
Speaker 1: when they kind of when you know history as a character,

1431
01:16:01,720 --> 01:16:04,360
Speaker 1: you know a good one. Yeah. Anyway, back to the

1432
01:16:04,360 --> 01:16:07,720
Speaker 1: climactic fight scene that was done at the Matadome, the

1433
01:16:08,600 --> 01:16:12,040
Speaker 1: crap hole known as the matat Dome. I just love it.

1434
01:16:12,160 --> 01:16:14,640
Speaker 2: Was this student paper. There's like coaches being like, I

1435
01:16:14,680 --> 01:16:17,559
Speaker 2: can't recruit promising candidates when I take them to this gym.

1436
01:16:18,080 --> 01:16:19,880
Speaker 1: Now I want to like google it, but I guess

1437
01:16:19,960 --> 01:16:23,160
Speaker 1: I'll just watch the scene in the Karate Kid. It's

1438
01:16:23,160 --> 01:16:25,280
Speaker 1: not a bad looking gym. I don't really get it. Yeah,

1439
01:16:25,720 --> 01:16:29,120
Speaker 1: and then maybe they cleaned it up. So producers arranged

1440
01:16:29,160 --> 01:16:31,760
Speaker 1: an actual karate competition to get people to show up

1441
01:16:31,760 --> 01:16:34,840
Speaker 1: for them to film, and Billy Zapka recalled feeling like

1442
01:16:34,840 --> 01:16:37,080
Speaker 1: a fraud in front of the real martial artists that

1443
01:16:37,080 --> 01:16:40,320
Speaker 1: they had assembled. He said, I'm walking in and they're like,

1444
01:16:40,600 --> 01:16:43,680
Speaker 1: who's that kid. I'm like the actor who's done this

1445
01:16:43,720 --> 01:16:52,800
Speaker 1: for three months, and I hope I don't kick Ralph.

1446
01:16:49,200 --> 01:16:51,960
Speaker 2: The iconic fly catching scene man who catch fly with

1447
01:16:52,040 --> 01:16:55,840
Speaker 2: chopstick accomplish anything well, accomplished in fact, with the help

1448
01:16:55,840 --> 01:16:58,439
Speaker 2: of a fly wrangler who first attempted to place the

1449
01:16:58,479 --> 01:17:01,600
Speaker 2: flies in a refrigerator down but they warmed up too

1450
01:17:01,680 --> 01:17:06,160
Speaker 2: quickly while shooting in California to be catchable. The next

1451
01:17:06,160 --> 01:17:08,080
Speaker 2: thing that they attempted was a pipe frame with a

1452
01:17:08,080 --> 01:17:10,360
Speaker 2: piece of wire hanging from it that had a dead

1453
01:17:10,400 --> 01:17:13,200
Speaker 2: fly on it, with the fly wrangler just out of frame,

1454
01:17:13,320 --> 01:17:16,479
Speaker 2: just kind of jimmying it to make it moved. And

1455
01:17:16,520 --> 01:17:20,320
Speaker 2: then when that failed, Executive producer R. J. Lewis explained,

1456
01:17:20,520 --> 01:17:22,920
Speaker 2: I got a six foot pole and some thin black thread.

1457
01:17:23,240 --> 01:17:26,120
Speaker 2: The script supervisor was wearing a black fuzzy sweater. I

1458
01:17:26,160 --> 01:17:27,840
Speaker 2: took a piece of fuzz off it and the prop

1459
01:17:27,880 --> 01:17:29,960
Speaker 2: guy tied it to the end of the thread. You

1460
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:32,240
Speaker 2: didn't have a lot of CGI thirty five years ago.

1461
01:17:32,360 --> 01:17:33,080
Speaker 1: That's amazing.

1462
01:17:33,920 --> 01:17:36,439
Speaker 2: The Halloween party where Cobra Kai kids dressed in those

1463
01:17:36,520 --> 01:17:40,799
Speaker 2: skeleton costumes. They were skin tight and Chad McQueen stuffed

1464
01:17:40,800 --> 01:17:43,679
Speaker 2: a rolled sock into it on his He said something

1465
01:17:43,720 --> 01:17:45,000
Speaker 2: his dad would tell him to do.

1466
01:17:45,400 --> 01:17:47,719
Speaker 1: But his dad had died like four years earlier, which

1467
01:17:47,760 --> 01:17:49,920
Speaker 1: means that his dad had was.

1468
01:17:49,880 --> 01:17:51,960
Speaker 2: Giving him that advice as like a teenager.

1469
01:17:52,120 --> 01:17:55,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, whenever we wore something tight, which I mean, Steve McQueen,

1470
01:17:55,160 --> 01:17:57,280
Speaker 1: it sounds like advice he would give you, so sure

1471
01:17:57,479 --> 01:17:57,840
Speaker 1: it does.

1472
01:17:58,000 --> 01:18:01,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, So the Cobra Kai kids catch up with Daniel

1473
01:18:01,560 --> 01:18:03,160
Speaker 2: and they beat there out of him. It was one

1474
01:18:03,160 --> 01:18:06,080
Speaker 2: of the first stunt and or fight sequences film. The

1475
01:18:06,200 --> 01:18:08,840
Speaker 2: kids had to repeatedly sprint the one hundred and fifty

1476
01:18:08,840 --> 01:18:11,040
Speaker 2: foot distance between the two fences, the first one they

1477
01:18:11,040 --> 01:18:13,360
Speaker 2: scale and the second one they pull Danny down from.

1478
01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:17,400
Speaker 2: Anticipating the number of takes it would require production. Had

1479
01:18:17,479 --> 01:18:21,640
Speaker 2: oxygenen takes Andy for them, they would chase him one

1480
01:18:21,680 --> 01:18:24,320
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty yards, let him attempt to scale a fence,

1481
01:18:24,360 --> 01:18:25,960
Speaker 2: and then just be told to do it over again,

1482
01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:30,519
Speaker 2: while huffing oxygen in between takes. That rules. Imagine the

1483
01:18:30,600 --> 01:18:33,120
Speaker 2: high you would get from that. I'm making movies. I'm

1484
01:18:33,160 --> 01:18:37,439
Speaker 2: huffing oxygen. You're like Dennis Hopper and Blue Velvetta's right there.

1485
01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:39,920
Speaker 1: It's like I know something.

1486
01:18:40,080 --> 01:18:42,920
Speaker 2: During the actual fight, Ralph Machio took a real kick

1487
01:18:42,960 --> 01:18:46,320
Speaker 2: to the face from Zapka, who's hilariously in character recollection

1488
01:18:46,600 --> 01:18:47,960
Speaker 2: was he leaned into it?

1489
01:18:48,280 --> 01:18:52,240
Speaker 1: It wasn't my fault. Produces then brought in stunt doubles

1490
01:18:52,240 --> 01:18:55,040
Speaker 1: to finish the fight, which brings us to Fumio de Mura,

1491
01:18:55,520 --> 01:18:59,080
Speaker 1: another real life many degree black belt, and one of

1492
01:18:59,160 --> 01:19:01,600
Speaker 1: mark came in the screen writer's real life inspirations for

1493
01:19:01,720 --> 01:19:05,240
Speaker 1: Mister Miagi. He was Pat Narita stunt double in all

1494
01:19:05,280 --> 01:19:08,479
Speaker 1: three Karate Kid movies and was a very interesting guy.

1495
01:19:08,920 --> 01:19:11,320
Speaker 1: The son of a silk traysman. He came to America

1496
01:19:11,320 --> 01:19:14,000
Speaker 1: in the nineteen sixties with nothing but three hundred dollars,

1497
01:19:14,040 --> 01:19:17,160
Speaker 1: a suitcase and a dream. He knew no English, but

1498
01:19:17,200 --> 01:19:20,160
Speaker 1: he established a teaching practice successful enough to break through

1499
01:19:20,160 --> 01:19:24,680
Speaker 1: to Hollywood. Steven Sagall, Chuck Norris, and Dolph Lundgren have

1500
01:19:24,760 --> 01:19:27,519
Speaker 1: all names checked him, but his most famous student is

1501
01:19:27,600 --> 01:19:30,840
Speaker 1: obviously Bruce Lee, who learned his nunchuck technique from one

1502
01:19:30,880 --> 01:19:33,479
Speaker 1: of Tomorrow's books and then sought him out in person

1503
01:19:33,560 --> 01:19:34,799
Speaker 1: for individual lessons.

1504
01:19:35,040 --> 01:19:37,759
Speaker 2: You were so good at nunchucks that Bruce Lee traveled

1505
01:19:37,800 --> 01:19:40,960
Speaker 2: to your home personally after reading your book and was like,

1506
01:19:41,000 --> 01:19:42,880
Speaker 2: teach me nunchucks and he did.

1507
01:19:44,000 --> 01:19:48,720
Speaker 1: That's pretty cool. Is he still alive? No? I can

1508
01:19:48,800 --> 01:19:51,679
Speaker 1: only see him being Oh he died like last April.

1509
01:19:52,320 --> 01:19:54,240
Speaker 1: I wasn't actually wasn't even that old. He was eighty four.

1510
01:19:55,439 --> 01:19:57,880
Speaker 1: Demurrow may have been a little too enthusiastic in the

1511
01:19:57,920 --> 01:20:01,400
Speaker 1: first fight scene, though Rob Garrison an actor who played

1512
01:20:01,400 --> 01:20:04,320
Speaker 1: the Cobra Kai guy Tommy got his nose broken by

1513
01:20:04,360 --> 01:20:08,479
Speaker 1: the Master, later saying, everyone remembers Ralph getting hurt, No

1514
01:20:08,520 --> 01:20:10,000
Speaker 1: one remembers me getting hurt.

1515
01:20:10,400 --> 01:20:15,040
Speaker 2: He kneed him in the face, like, fully broke this

1516
01:20:15,120 --> 01:20:17,719
Speaker 2: kid's nose, and because they weren't allowed to show real blood,

1517
01:20:17,720 --> 01:20:21,479
Speaker 2: the take was scotched. So he's like, he got a

1518
01:20:21,520 --> 01:20:24,240
Speaker 2: little too enthusiastic and need me in the face, right

1519
01:20:24,280 --> 01:20:26,240
Speaker 2: in the nose, and I was just laying on the

1520
01:20:26,240 --> 01:20:26,880
Speaker 2: ground bleeding.

1521
01:20:29,640 --> 01:20:34,439
Speaker 1: I mean, okay, I understand like real blood not being

1522
01:20:34,640 --> 01:20:37,280
Speaker 1: you know something, you probably but if it happens anyway,

1523
01:20:37,720 --> 01:20:40,880
Speaker 1: you think so, that's actually that's actually a great tip.

1524
01:20:41,080 --> 01:20:43,679
Speaker 2: The only self defense technique that I can actually impart

1525
01:20:43,720 --> 01:20:46,600
Speaker 2: on anyone is if you are ever threatened or you

1526
01:20:46,640 --> 01:20:49,759
Speaker 2: think something's going to happen, punch that person in the nose.

1527
01:20:50,160 --> 01:20:52,600
Speaker 2: Don't punch them in the chin. The chin is very hard.

1528
01:20:53,000 --> 01:20:55,080
Speaker 2: The forehead is also. You can ring somebody's bell, but

1529
01:20:55,120 --> 01:20:57,320
Speaker 2: that's also very hard. Chances are you're gonna hurt your fist.

1530
01:20:57,439 --> 01:20:58,200
Speaker 2: Punch them in the nose.

1531
01:20:58,280 --> 01:20:59,320
Speaker 1: Let's ring on somebody's bell.

1532
01:20:59,600 --> 01:21:02,000
Speaker 2: Oh, when you get hit like in the right here,

1533
01:21:02,080 --> 01:21:03,640
Speaker 2: like right between the eyes and the forehead, and you

1534
01:21:03,800 --> 01:21:08,360
Speaker 2: just like go away for a little while. You can

1535
01:21:08,400 --> 01:21:10,240
Speaker 2: see it happen in fights when guys are just like

1536
01:21:10,280 --> 01:21:14,320
Speaker 2: they it's just like like shaking away the imaginary burn birds.

1537
01:21:14,600 --> 01:21:16,680
Speaker 2: But you punch someone in the nose because it's a

1538
01:21:16,720 --> 01:21:20,960
Speaker 2: soft target a and it's gonna their whole nasal system,

1539
01:21:21,000 --> 01:21:24,120
Speaker 2: it's gonna like they're gonna start crying. It will immediately

1540
01:21:24,200 --> 01:21:30,200
Speaker 2: start bleeding. So that is Heigel's real life self defense technique.

1541
01:21:30,439 --> 01:21:33,120
Speaker 2: One that is not binding legal advice either. I'm sorry,

1542
01:21:33,120 --> 01:21:34,680
Speaker 2: I can't help you if you get your washed in

1543
01:21:34,720 --> 01:21:37,200
Speaker 2: a bar fight because you heard me say something stupid.

1544
01:21:39,360 --> 01:21:41,840
Speaker 1: It's like this. This is not actually legal advice. This

1545
01:21:41,920 --> 01:21:45,240
Speaker 1: is not actual medical advice. All right, So the guy

1546
01:21:45,280 --> 01:21:47,479
Speaker 1: who played Tommy actually gets kicked by.

1547
01:21:47,960 --> 01:21:51,519
Speaker 2: An old or a middle aged Japanese man, Yeah, and he.

1548
01:21:51,880 --> 01:21:55,360
Speaker 1: Goes down his nose starts bleeding. Everyone remembers Ralph Machio

1549
01:21:55,439 --> 01:21:59,479
Speaker 1: getting hurt, but nobody remembers me getting hurt. What about me?

1550
01:22:00,040 --> 01:22:04,280
Speaker 1: We're not Tommy. But as you know, the most important

1551
01:22:04,320 --> 01:22:07,000
Speaker 1: thing is that the guy who kicked him, Pumio Demorro

1552
01:22:07,280 --> 01:22:10,439
Speaker 1: and Pat and Narta became friends during the shoot and

1553
01:22:10,479 --> 01:22:11,240
Speaker 1: stayed that way.

1554
01:22:11,320 --> 01:22:14,120
Speaker 2: I like that that's really the lesson to take out

1555
01:22:14,120 --> 01:22:14,280
Speaker 2: of this.

1556
01:22:14,520 --> 01:22:17,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so, as we mentioned earlier, they staged an

1557
01:22:17,280 --> 01:22:21,000
Speaker 1: actual karate tournament to garner the necessary participants and onlookers

1558
01:22:21,360 --> 01:22:23,840
Speaker 1: with a tracking shot through the facility using more than

1559
01:22:23,920 --> 01:22:27,280
Speaker 1: five hundred extras and thirty six takes.

1560
01:22:27,720 --> 01:22:29,599
Speaker 2: It's really wild to me that they just did this

1561
01:22:29,760 --> 01:22:32,760
Speaker 2: and they like, I think it was. I think it

1562
01:22:32,920 --> 01:22:35,200
Speaker 2: all came down to Pat Johnson, who had enough ties

1563
01:22:35,240 --> 01:22:35,959
Speaker 2: in the community.

1564
01:22:36,080 --> 01:22:37,000
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but.

1565
01:22:37,000 --> 01:22:39,240
Speaker 2: He's just wild that they were like, we're gonna Yeah.

1566
01:22:39,439 --> 01:22:40,160
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's cool.

1567
01:22:40,200 --> 01:22:41,040
Speaker 2: I think it's hilarious.

1568
01:22:41,120 --> 01:22:44,960
Speaker 1: Yeah. Director John Avilson hid something like nine cameras in

1569
01:22:45,000 --> 01:22:48,680
Speaker 1: the bleachers to get covered shots by rowing off for

1570
01:22:48,720 --> 01:22:51,760
Speaker 1: Pat Johnson told the competitors, and he was also the

1571
01:22:51,800 --> 01:22:55,360
Speaker 1: referee as well, don't stop to watch what we're filming.

1572
01:22:55,680 --> 01:22:58,559
Speaker 1: You're gonna win prizes, you're gonna win trophies, and you're

1573
01:22:58,560 --> 01:23:00,760
Speaker 1: gonna be able to say you were in the Karate Kid.

1574
01:23:00,800 --> 01:23:04,240
Speaker 2: It's a good sale. The afore mentioned Rob Thomas, who

1575
01:23:04,240 --> 01:23:10,040
Speaker 2: played Bobby and had not Tommy. He took a real

1576
01:23:10,040 --> 01:23:13,160
Speaker 2: forearm shot from Machio splitting his lip during the filming,

1577
01:23:13,920 --> 01:23:16,160
Speaker 2: which is as good as segue as any into the

1578
01:23:16,280 --> 01:23:20,360
Speaker 2: crane kick, the absolutely bullshit secret move that has gone

1579
01:23:20,439 --> 01:23:24,679
Speaker 2: down in cinema history that is obviously not Pat Narita

1580
01:23:24,760 --> 01:23:28,519
Speaker 2: performing it on the beach. When you know Danny daniel

1581
01:23:28,560 --> 01:23:31,479
Speaker 2: Son first witnesses it as a technique. It's a guy

1582
01:23:31,560 --> 01:23:35,280
Speaker 2: named Daryl Vidal in a bald cap and padding. Now

1583
01:23:35,280 --> 01:23:38,120
Speaker 2: he also shows up in the tournament. He's the non

1584
01:23:38,200 --> 01:23:42,200
Speaker 2: Cobra Kai kid who advances into the semifinals. Confusingly, that

1585
01:23:42,360 --> 01:23:46,080
Speaker 2: character's name is also Daryl Vidal. The only reason this

1586
01:23:46,160 --> 01:23:49,640
Speaker 2: is pertinent is because they reserve they've made reference to

1587
01:23:49,960 --> 01:23:53,960
Speaker 2: Daryl Vidal in the in the Cobra Kai thing, So

1588
01:23:54,200 --> 01:23:58,439
Speaker 2: Daryl vidall plays himself but not really, and has also

1589
01:23:58,520 --> 01:24:02,280
Speaker 2: continued in the Karate Kid Cobra Kai continuity, but maybe

1590
01:24:02,320 --> 01:24:06,040
Speaker 2: not really. As for the origin of the crane kick,

1591
01:24:06,040 --> 01:24:07,760
Speaker 2: which is what you're all really here for, came and

1592
01:24:07,800 --> 01:24:10,120
Speaker 2: said I made it up. It was just something I

1593
01:24:10,120 --> 01:24:12,280
Speaker 2: thought up on the spot. How cool would be if

1594
01:24:12,320 --> 01:24:14,600
Speaker 2: you saw mister Miyagi in a log doing this impossible

1595
01:24:14,600 --> 01:24:17,439
Speaker 2: thing and then saying of the actual practical use of

1596
01:24:17,479 --> 01:24:19,800
Speaker 2: the technique. You have no balance, your hands aren't in

1597
01:24:19,840 --> 01:24:23,320
Speaker 2: a defensive position. It's just cinematic. It is also a

1598
01:24:23,360 --> 01:24:26,960
Speaker 2: disqualifying move in a legitimate tournament, where full contact to

1599
01:24:27,000 --> 01:24:30,519
Speaker 2: the head is considered a no no and a wildly

1600
01:24:30,520 --> 01:24:34,280
Speaker 2: impractical one. Vidaal added that if confronted by the move,

1601
01:24:34,479 --> 01:24:36,400
Speaker 2: I would just bum rush you and knock you on

1602
01:24:36,439 --> 01:24:39,679
Speaker 2: your ass. But like wax On, wax Off, it's become

1603
01:24:39,720 --> 01:24:43,400
Speaker 2: one of the films defining contributions to the cultural lexicon.

1604
01:24:43,800 --> 01:24:46,200
Speaker 2: Avilson said he knew the movie was destined to become

1605
01:24:46,200 --> 01:24:48,800
Speaker 2: a hit when he saw guys in suits attempting the

1606
01:24:48,840 --> 01:24:51,800
Speaker 2: crane kick immediately after coming out of a screening. Right

1607
01:24:51,800 --> 01:24:56,760
Speaker 2: there on the sidewalk. One of the guys recalled what

1608
01:24:56,880 --> 01:24:59,000
Speaker 2: seeing in the theater, He's like when Dano does the

1609
01:24:59,040 --> 01:25:01,360
Speaker 2: crane kick to Johnny's this guy in the front seat

1610
01:25:01,439 --> 01:25:03,160
Speaker 2: jumped up in his seat and threw his fist in

1611
01:25:03,160 --> 01:25:07,800
Speaker 2: the air. So that's how you know you have a winner. Also,

1612
01:25:07,920 --> 01:25:11,240
Speaker 2: mister Miyagi's secret rub hands really fast to cure all

1613
01:25:11,280 --> 01:25:15,280
Speaker 2: manner of injuries. Some people have posited that it is

1614
01:25:15,320 --> 01:25:18,639
Speaker 2: a version of raiki energy healing found in the nineteen twenties.

1615
01:25:19,360 --> 01:25:21,320
Speaker 2: While others have pointed out that it could be related

1616
01:25:21,360 --> 01:25:26,240
Speaker 2: to acupuncture cupping, it's probably also hort I think. I

1617
01:25:26,240 --> 01:25:29,200
Speaker 2: don't think Cayman was asked about that directly, but seems

1618
01:25:29,200 --> 01:25:30,040
Speaker 2: like absolute horse.

1619
01:25:30,640 --> 01:25:32,280
Speaker 1: That was the first mention of Wax Saw and Wax

1620
01:25:32,280 --> 01:25:35,519
Speaker 1: Office episode. Yeah, well, there'll be another one later. Good.

1621
01:25:35,920 --> 01:25:37,679
Speaker 2: Speaking of the tournament, now we have to talk about

1622
01:25:37,680 --> 01:25:41,439
Speaker 2: the incredible banger You're the Best, which soundtracks the tournament,

1623
01:25:41,560 --> 01:25:44,559
Speaker 2: and also that Stan Marsh episode of South Park where

1624
01:25:44,600 --> 01:25:47,800
Speaker 2: where he gets really into fighting like strangers. I think

1625
01:25:47,840 --> 01:25:51,320
Speaker 2: they speed it up so it's even more annoying. But

1626
01:25:51,439 --> 01:25:52,760
Speaker 2: that's gonna have to keep it down.

1627
01:25:53,720 --> 01:25:54,679
Speaker 1: It kind of sucks.

1628
01:25:55,120 --> 01:25:56,120
Speaker 2: Oh, it's so good.

1629
01:25:57,000 --> 01:25:59,759
Speaker 1: I love it, but it also put another.

1630
01:26:00,160 --> 01:26:02,960
Speaker 2: Kind of sucks. Yeah, in another truer way. It kind

1631
01:26:02,960 --> 01:26:08,200
Speaker 2: of sucks, but it's so good. The singer Joe Bean

1632
01:26:08,800 --> 01:26:12,000
Speaker 2: Esposito I am not making that up, actually had nothing

1633
01:26:12,040 --> 01:26:14,479
Speaker 2: to do with this song. It was written by composer

1634
01:26:14,479 --> 01:26:17,400
Speaker 2: Bill Conti, the Rocky theme guy who did the rest

1635
01:26:17,439 --> 01:26:19,680
Speaker 2: of the music to the film, and the lyrics were

1636
01:26:19,720 --> 01:26:23,000
Speaker 2: written by Ali Willis, who is a real deal songwriter.

1637
01:26:23,120 --> 01:26:26,960
Speaker 2: Among her co writs are September and Boogie Wonderland by

1638
01:26:27,000 --> 01:26:30,080
Speaker 2: Earth Wind and Fire. What Have I Done to deserve This?

1639
01:26:30,200 --> 01:26:34,800
Speaker 2: By Pet Shop Boys featuring Dusty Springfield and the Friends theme.

1640
01:26:36,280 --> 01:26:39,080
Speaker 1: Wow. So Ali willis she doesn't need to do anything

1641
01:26:39,160 --> 01:26:40,080
Speaker 1: ever again.

1642
01:26:40,640 --> 01:26:44,960
Speaker 2: She's dead but well okay for multiple reasons. Yeah. She

1643
01:26:45,040 --> 01:26:47,840
Speaker 2: also won two Grammys for her involvement in Beverly Hills

1644
01:26:47,880 --> 01:26:51,599
Speaker 2: cop and Purple Color soundtracks. This is all very funny

1645
01:26:51,600 --> 01:26:55,400
Speaker 2: because for years Joe Esposito was hounded for the lyric

1646
01:26:55,720 --> 01:27:00,639
Speaker 2: history repeats Itself in the song, which is obviously wrong

1647
01:27:00,720 --> 01:27:05,400
Speaker 2: for the film as nothing is repeating itself. He actually

1648
01:27:05,400 --> 01:27:07,560
Speaker 2: called into the Adam Carolla Show in two thousand and

1649
01:27:07,600 --> 01:27:10,120
Speaker 2: eight when they're ripping on him for it, responding to

1650
01:27:10,320 --> 01:27:13,200
Speaker 2: years of criticism by explaining that the lyric was in

1651
01:27:13,280 --> 01:27:16,800
Speaker 2: place because You're the Best was written for Rocky three

1652
01:27:17,439 --> 01:27:20,160
Speaker 2: before being turned down in favor of I of the Tiger,

1653
01:27:21,040 --> 01:27:24,920
Speaker 2: at which point You're the Best was also turned down

1654
01:27:25,080 --> 01:27:28,280
Speaker 2: for Flash Dance. John Aviltson heard it and picked it

1655
01:27:28,360 --> 01:27:31,840
Speaker 2: up for Karate Kid, and, in one final indignation for

1656
01:27:31,920 --> 01:27:36,280
Speaker 2: being Esposito, producers actd that the song be re recorded

1657
01:27:36,400 --> 01:27:39,599
Speaker 2: with a different singer Avilson put his foot down and

1658
01:27:39,720 --> 01:27:45,080
Speaker 2: Joe Sposito saying his way into the history books. Even

1659
01:27:45,160 --> 01:27:49,360
Speaker 2: more hilariously, the same thing happened when Peter Sitera's Glory

1660
01:27:49,360 --> 01:27:53,360
Speaker 2: of Love was rejected for the Rocky four soundtrack and

1661
01:27:53,479 --> 01:27:56,839
Speaker 2: shunted down to Karate Kid two, where it became.

1662
01:27:56,640 --> 01:28:01,240
Speaker 1: An enormous hit. Beneath the karate Kid karate Kid two,

1663
01:28:01,880 --> 01:28:02,960
Speaker 1: Karate Harder.

1664
01:28:03,720 --> 01:28:06,080
Speaker 2: I get it escaped from the planet of karate Yeah,

1665
01:28:06,240 --> 01:28:06,960
Speaker 2: I think would be good.

1666
01:28:07,040 --> 01:28:11,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good. Karate Kid two, the big one.

1667
01:28:13,000 --> 01:28:14,200
Speaker 2: Back in the habit, that's good.

1668
01:28:14,520 --> 01:28:17,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, it never gets old. The other big banger on

1669
01:28:17,240 --> 01:28:20,879
Speaker 1: the Karate Kids soundtrack is, of course, Bananarama's Cruel Summer.

1670
01:28:21,400 --> 01:28:26,720
Speaker 1: Bananaama my first celebrity interview, I believe in twenty Yeah

1671
01:28:26,720 --> 01:28:29,559
Speaker 1: they were, Yeah, they were okay. Was that the hard

1672
01:28:29,640 --> 01:28:33,880
Speaker 1: rock cafe in Times Square? Nice? Which is I mean,

1673
01:28:33,880 --> 01:28:35,800
Speaker 1: it is kind of where you'd expect to find Bananama.

1674
01:28:36,040 --> 01:28:37,080
Speaker 1: They were on display.

1675
01:28:37,880 --> 01:28:39,839
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, I'm mounted on the walls.

1676
01:28:41,320 --> 01:28:44,559
Speaker 1: The song Cruel Summer he about out in the UK

1677
01:28:44,720 --> 01:28:56,160
Speaker 1: since July. Since July twenty July, the song Cruel Summer

1678
01:28:56,160 --> 01:28:58,479
Speaker 1: had been out in the UK since July nineteen eighty

1679
01:28:58,520 --> 01:29:00,680
Speaker 1: three and was a big hit in the country, but

1680
01:29:00,800 --> 01:29:04,519
Speaker 1: it didn't break internationally until it was included in Karate Kid,

1681
01:29:04,800 --> 01:29:08,760
Speaker 1: which came out in June nineteen eighty four. Weirdly, they

1682
01:29:08,760 --> 01:29:11,120
Speaker 1: didn't allow a song to appear on the soundtrack, but

1683
01:29:11,160 --> 01:29:13,120
Speaker 1: it became their first top ten hit in the United

1684
01:29:13,120 --> 01:29:17,759
Speaker 1: States anyway, reaching number nine on the Billboard Charts. Heigel's

1685
01:29:17,760 --> 01:29:20,120
Speaker 1: favorite bit of trivia about this song is that it

1686
01:29:20,160 --> 01:29:21,520
Speaker 1: was shot in Brooklyn.

1687
01:29:21,280 --> 01:29:26,600
Speaker 2: Basically underneath the Brooklyn Bridge. Oh the video for it, Yes, yes, yes, yeah.

1688
01:29:26,680 --> 01:29:29,599
Speaker 1: They worked for lunch at a local tavern and while

1689
01:29:29,600 --> 01:29:31,880
Speaker 1: shooting the Breeze with some local DOC workers, they were

1690
01:29:31,920 --> 01:29:33,400
Speaker 1: offered cocaine by one of them.

1691
01:29:33,479 --> 01:29:35,960
Speaker 2: It's just funny. They were hanging out at a bar,

1692
01:29:36,360 --> 01:29:40,080
Speaker 2: presumably probably a dive. Yeah, just in the middle of

1693
01:29:40,120 --> 01:29:42,320
Speaker 2: the day they met a bunch of young women from

1694
01:29:42,320 --> 01:29:45,679
Speaker 2: overseas and were like, here, do a bump banana.

1695
01:29:45,760 --> 01:29:48,600
Speaker 1: RAMDA member Jabon Fayhei remarked in the I Want My

1696
01:29:48,760 --> 01:29:52,400
Speaker 1: MTV Oral History book, when you watch that video, we

1697
01:29:52,479 --> 01:29:54,519
Speaker 1: look really tired and miserable in the scenes that were

1698
01:29:54,520 --> 01:29:57,599
Speaker 1: shot before lunch and then the after lunch shots were

1699
01:29:57,640 --> 01:29:59,000
Speaker 1: all euphoric and manic.

1700
01:29:59,439 --> 01:30:01,680
Speaker 2: Filming round to under two months, but there were a

1701
01:30:01,720 --> 01:30:03,280
Speaker 2: lot of scenes that actually ended up on the cutting

1702
01:30:03,360 --> 01:30:07,639
Speaker 2: room floor. The original ending of the film was supposed

1703
01:30:07,680 --> 01:30:09,839
Speaker 2: to end in the parking lot outside of the tournament,

1704
01:30:09,960 --> 01:30:14,559
Speaker 2: where Chrise was gonna come out and like go after Daniel,

1705
01:30:14,680 --> 01:30:16,960
Speaker 2: and then mister Miyagi comes in. It's actually quite a

1706
01:30:17,040 --> 01:30:20,759
Speaker 2: moving scene, and I know it by heart because I

1707
01:30:20,800 --> 01:30:24,320
Speaker 2: had the movie novelization of the Karate Kid too before

1708
01:30:24,360 --> 01:30:26,240
Speaker 2: I saw it, so I read that quite a lot.

1709
01:30:27,479 --> 01:30:28,599
Speaker 1: So John cries comes out.

1710
01:30:28,640 --> 01:30:32,200
Speaker 2: I think he's choking out. Actually, Daniel saw in, and

1711
01:30:32,240 --> 01:30:35,400
Speaker 2: then mister Marky comes out and obviously like defeats him,

1712
01:30:35,920 --> 01:30:38,879
Speaker 2: and then he's like poised to deliver the coup de gras.

1713
01:30:39,320 --> 01:30:41,160
Speaker 2: He's got Chris on the ropes. He's like holding his

1714
01:30:41,160 --> 01:30:44,320
Speaker 2: head up and he's like poised he's gonna smash his

1715
01:30:44,360 --> 01:30:46,960
Speaker 2: face in, and he starts parroting his own lines back

1716
01:30:47,000 --> 01:30:51,720
Speaker 2: at him. He's like, no mercy, no weaknesses, and everyone's like,

1717
01:30:51,760 --> 01:30:53,640
Speaker 2: oh my god. And then he just goes down and

1718
01:30:53,760 --> 01:30:58,720
Speaker 2: thumbs Chris's nose. Great stuff, really great stuff, And it

1719
01:30:58,960 --> 01:31:03,640
Speaker 2: in fact opens Karate Kid Part two. Avilson decided to

1720
01:31:03,680 --> 01:31:06,599
Speaker 2: end it on the freeze frame of mister Maggi's face

1721
01:31:06,920 --> 01:31:09,200
Speaker 2: right after the tournament, which I always thought was a

1722
01:31:09,280 --> 01:31:11,880
Speaker 2: kind of an abrupt ending. But you know, they had

1723
01:31:11,880 --> 01:31:13,160
Speaker 2: a great opener for number two.

1724
01:31:13,200 --> 01:31:15,720
Speaker 1: Then when you say thumbed his nose, do you mean

1725
01:31:15,800 --> 01:31:17,920
Speaker 1: like he does the like old Italian grandpa, I got

1726
01:31:17,920 --> 01:31:18,519
Speaker 1: your nose bit.

1727
01:31:20,600 --> 01:31:22,840
Speaker 2: I think he like flicks it or something like he

1728
01:31:22,960 --> 01:31:25,080
Speaker 2: like goes and pulls the strike or something and then

1729
01:31:25,160 --> 01:31:26,479
Speaker 2: just like flicks his nose.

1730
01:31:27,520 --> 01:31:30,840
Speaker 1: Other deleted scenes from The First Karate Kid include Daniel's

1731
01:31:30,840 --> 01:31:33,360
Speaker 1: mom explaining that they moved to la for a job

1732
01:31:33,400 --> 01:31:37,479
Speaker 1: with Rocket Computers, but the company went bankrupt, which explains

1733
01:31:37,520 --> 01:31:41,160
Speaker 1: why she's waiting tables a terrifyingly preciant.

1734
01:31:41,040 --> 01:31:44,200
Speaker 2: It's wild man like he explains. It seems like a

1735
01:31:44,320 --> 01:31:47,400
Speaker 2: huge continuity here actually because he explains, my mom got

1736
01:31:47,400 --> 01:31:50,400
Speaker 2: a job out here rocket Computers, building the future or

1737
01:31:50,439 --> 01:31:52,479
Speaker 2: something like that. Like he drops that really early in

1738
01:31:52,520 --> 01:31:54,280
Speaker 2: the movie, and then the next one of the next

1739
01:31:54,320 --> 01:31:56,559
Speaker 2: times we see, I mean, she's actually in this a lot.

1740
01:31:56,600 --> 01:31:59,599
Speaker 2: I kind of forgot, But when they're eating lunch, she's

1741
01:31:59,600 --> 01:32:02,360
Speaker 2: talking about trying to get into a manager training program

1742
01:32:02,479 --> 01:32:04,360
Speaker 2: and being like I could never get these benefits and

1743
01:32:04,400 --> 01:32:07,840
Speaker 2: working in computers, and it's just not completely unremarked upon.

1744
01:32:08,040 --> 01:32:10,080
Speaker 2: So it feels like a bit of a miss there.

1745
01:32:10,160 --> 01:32:11,519
Speaker 2: But you know, it was the eighties.

1746
01:32:11,600 --> 01:32:13,640
Speaker 1: I think I almost thought that like he was just

1747
01:32:13,680 --> 01:32:17,360
Speaker 1: like lying to like make it seem like his mom

1748
01:32:17,479 --> 01:32:19,000
Speaker 1: was like real you.

1749
01:32:18,960 --> 01:32:21,439
Speaker 2: Know, Oh yeah, that's kind of nice.

1750
01:32:21,520 --> 01:32:24,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. This is my screenwriter Bran trying

1751
01:32:24,200 --> 01:32:24,920
Speaker 1: to make sense of it.

1752
01:32:25,000 --> 01:32:26,080
Speaker 2: Oh sure, yeah.

1753
01:32:26,120 --> 01:32:30,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. Two other confrontations between Johnny and Daniel will also cut.

1754
01:32:30,800 --> 01:32:34,960
Speaker 1: One where a blueberry pie prank goes awry.

1755
01:32:34,840 --> 01:32:38,519
Speaker 2: They like sneak he like sneaks a blueberry pie under

1756
01:32:39,640 --> 01:32:41,800
Speaker 2: one of them does it to the other one and

1757
01:32:41,840 --> 01:32:43,680
Speaker 2: then the other one does it back or something, and

1758
01:32:43,760 --> 01:32:46,760
Speaker 2: it turns into like a food fight or some cafeteria.

1759
01:32:47,120 --> 01:32:48,680
Speaker 2: But I think they were like, we already had the

1760
01:32:48,680 --> 01:32:52,240
Speaker 2: spaghetti shot at the country club, so we're not doing Yeah.

1761
01:32:52,400 --> 01:32:54,799
Speaker 1: It's Andy Griffith's style prank.

1762
01:32:55,880 --> 01:32:58,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, still want to ant bees pies?

1763
01:32:59,160 --> 01:33:04,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, And then there was another confrontation in which Daniel

1764
01:33:04,280 --> 01:33:07,439
Speaker 1: presses Johnny about Creasee, saying you ever think he might

1765
01:33:07,479 --> 01:33:11,639
Speaker 1: be wrong, to which Johnny replies, tell him, Heigel, wash

1766
01:33:11,680 --> 01:33:12,080
Speaker 1: your mouth.

1767
01:33:12,760 --> 01:33:15,000
Speaker 2: I was the line he delivered in his audition. Sorry,

1768
01:33:15,120 --> 01:33:16,320
Speaker 2: I really bungled that one.

1769
01:33:16,880 --> 01:33:19,240
Speaker 1: Incidentally, not only did Machio get to take home the

1770
01:33:19,240 --> 01:33:21,760
Speaker 1: trophy he wins at the end of the tournament and

1771
01:33:21,840 --> 01:33:24,599
Speaker 1: a couple of his trademark headbands, but he also got

1772
01:33:24,640 --> 01:33:28,040
Speaker 1: to take home the nineteen forty eight Ford Super Deluxe

1773
01:33:28,080 --> 01:33:31,320
Speaker 1: Club that mister Miyagi gifts him in the film, which

1774
01:33:31,360 --> 01:33:35,840
Speaker 1: he reportedly has to this day. I love I love

1775
01:33:35,920 --> 01:33:40,120
Speaker 1: when actors get gifted like crucial props from their movies.

1776
01:33:40,160 --> 01:33:41,880
Speaker 2: I mean, I can't believe they gave him that car.

1777
01:33:42,240 --> 01:33:45,880
Speaker 2: I was like, Yeah, it's like an old town car

1778
01:33:46,000 --> 01:33:48,200
Speaker 2: style touring style is beautiful.

1779
01:33:48,640 --> 01:33:50,200
Speaker 1: That's like an expensive car.

1780
01:33:51,200 --> 01:33:54,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's that? What's is there one on barn Finds

1781
01:33:54,560 --> 01:33:55,320
Speaker 2: or bring a trailer?

1782
01:33:56,000 --> 01:34:00,599
Speaker 1: I think I see one for like, let's see forty

1783
01:34:00,680 --> 01:34:05,680
Speaker 1: k on Car Gurus. Yeah, damn, that was a beautiful

1784
01:34:05,800 --> 01:34:09,680
Speaker 1: Damn I think in I think that's Biff's car in

1785
01:34:09,760 --> 01:34:12,799
Speaker 1: Back to the Future he's in a forty eight Ford,

1786
01:34:13,080 --> 01:34:15,360
Speaker 1: because I remember Doc Brown says where he's in a

1787
01:34:15,400 --> 01:34:17,439
Speaker 1: forty eight Ford, we're in a Delareo. It'll crush us

1788
01:34:17,439 --> 01:34:21,280
Speaker 1: like we're made a tenfoil. That was my Christopher. Christopher

1789
01:34:21,360 --> 01:34:24,000
Speaker 1: Lloyd wasn't very good. Crush us like we're made of tenfoil.

1790
01:34:24,200 --> 01:34:27,360
Speaker 1: You do an incredible Christopher Lloyd.

1791
01:34:27,640 --> 01:34:30,920
Speaker 2: It's all from just being scared of him in as

1792
01:34:31,080 --> 01:34:32,040
Speaker 2: Judge Doom.

1793
01:34:32,280 --> 01:34:36,280
Speaker 1: And Dennis la Menace. Oh yeah, yeah, he's got like

1794
01:34:36,280 --> 01:34:37,120
Speaker 1: the switch blade.

1795
01:34:37,320 --> 01:34:41,639
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Yeah, he was terrifying that. Yeah. Karate

1796
01:34:41,720 --> 01:34:44,879
Speaker 2: Kid was basically an immediate hit, as the test screenings predicted.

1797
01:34:45,120 --> 01:34:48,360
Speaker 2: It opened a five million and finished fourth in nineteen

1798
01:34:48,360 --> 01:34:52,200
Speaker 2: eighty four as the top grossing films behind an incredibly

1799
01:34:52,360 --> 01:34:56,360
Speaker 2: stacked I mean highest grossing was Ghostbusters. Indiana Jones and

1800
01:34:56,360 --> 01:34:59,000
Speaker 2: the Temple of Doom was next, and then Gremlins. So

1801
01:34:59,040 --> 01:35:02,080
Speaker 2: the fact that this thing like moved the needle at

1802
01:35:02,160 --> 01:35:05,920
Speaker 2: all is remarkable. It took in one hundred million domestic

1803
01:35:06,040 --> 01:35:09,920
Speaker 2: and sold it estimated twenty seven million tickets in the

1804
01:35:10,000 --> 01:35:12,840
Speaker 2: US and Canada, and surprisingly for something with this much

1805
01:35:12,920 --> 01:35:15,720
Speaker 2: juice with the hoi polloi, it was a big hit

1806
01:35:15,760 --> 01:35:18,880
Speaker 2: with critics Roger Ebert and Janet Maslin both liked it.

1807
01:35:19,200 --> 01:35:21,680
Speaker 2: The film was also responsible for a huge influx of

1808
01:35:21,800 --> 01:35:25,800
Speaker 2: interested persons into the martial arts, particularly karate, which had

1809
01:35:25,800 --> 01:35:28,439
Speaker 2: been on the wane after the kung fu exploitation craze

1810
01:35:28,439 --> 01:35:30,880
Speaker 2: of the seventies. Side Down. Pat Johnson said he got

1811
01:35:30,880 --> 01:35:33,200
Speaker 2: like two calls from people after working on the movie

1812
01:35:33,240 --> 01:35:36,599
Speaker 2: who were like, attendance has doubled at my dojo. As

1813
01:35:36,680 --> 01:35:39,960
Speaker 2: Chad McQueen inimitably put it, that movie probably saved a

1814
01:35:39,960 --> 01:35:41,040
Speaker 2: lot of ass whoopings.

1815
01:35:41,479 --> 01:35:42,000
Speaker 1: There were two.

1816
01:35:41,960 --> 01:35:44,519
Speaker 2: Sequels with Machio and Norita before they moved on to

1817
01:35:44,760 --> 01:35:48,400
Speaker 2: the next Karate Kid, starring Academy Award winner Future. At

1818
01:35:48,400 --> 01:35:51,800
Speaker 2: that point, Hilary Swank. Much of the cast reunited for

1819
01:35:51,840 --> 01:35:53,960
Speaker 2: a two thousand and seven music video for a band

1820
01:35:53,960 --> 01:35:57,439
Speaker 2: called No More Kings, who I remembered nothing about, but

1821
01:35:57,479 --> 01:36:00,519
Speaker 2: they had a song called Sweep. The leg icted Billy

1822
01:36:00,600 --> 01:36:02,479
Speaker 2: Zabka to see if he would make a cameo in it,

1823
01:36:02,600 --> 01:36:04,360
Speaker 2: and he told them that he would do it under

1824
01:36:04,360 --> 01:36:07,439
Speaker 2: the condition he could direct and they would spend the

1825
01:36:07,479 --> 01:36:10,960
Speaker 2: money to reunite the cast, which is cute. The only

1826
01:36:10,960 --> 01:36:14,719
Speaker 2: thing I'll mentioned about that piece of remake with Jaden

1827
01:36:14,760 --> 01:36:19,880
Speaker 2: Smith and Jackie chan now is set in China. Inexplicably

1828
01:36:20,320 --> 01:36:22,439
Speaker 2: is that William Zabka got a chance to meet Will

1829
01:36:22,520 --> 01:36:25,639
Speaker 2: after the fact. He told USA Today it was fun

1830
01:36:25,760 --> 01:36:28,759
Speaker 2: because I was backstage at the after party. Will introduced

1831
01:36:28,800 --> 01:36:30,640
Speaker 2: us to Jaden and he said, I just want you

1832
01:36:30,680 --> 01:36:33,479
Speaker 2: to know we weren't doing anything disrespectful. It's an homage

1833
01:36:33,479 --> 01:36:36,000
Speaker 2: to the Karate Kid. I said, I get it, man,

1834
01:36:36,080 --> 01:36:37,840
Speaker 2: I'm actually doing the same thing with the Fresh Prince

1835
01:36:37,880 --> 01:36:38,360
Speaker 2: of bel Air.

1836
01:36:38,760 --> 01:36:40,599
Speaker 1: Does he work on the Fresh Prince of bel Air?

1837
01:36:41,720 --> 01:36:42,280
Speaker 2: Will Smith?

1838
01:36:42,360 --> 01:36:46,000
Speaker 1: Wait? No, I remember reading this and being confused by it. No,

1839
01:36:46,120 --> 01:36:49,640
Speaker 1: he razinem because they've remade his movie and he was

1840
01:36:49,680 --> 01:36:52,280
Speaker 1: joking about remaking their series. Oh, I thought it was

1841
01:36:52,280 --> 01:36:55,400
Speaker 1: like when they were remaking the series for real, I

1842
01:36:55,400 --> 01:36:57,559
Speaker 1: guess later. No, Yeah, that's confusing. Yeah.

1843
01:36:57,600 --> 01:37:01,640
Speaker 2: Sorry, Perhaps we should make that the series was rebooted

1844
01:37:01,640 --> 01:37:04,280
Speaker 2: for real and Billy's Apko was not involved to the

1845
01:37:04,280 --> 01:37:08,479
Speaker 2: best of my knowledge. Maybe he has an EP credit somewhere. Machio, again,

1846
01:37:08,520 --> 01:37:11,320
Speaker 2: famously one of the nicest guys in Hollywood, was incredibly

1847
01:37:11,320 --> 01:37:14,120
Speaker 2: diplomatic about the remake. He told The Guardian it enhanced

1848
01:37:14,160 --> 01:37:17,559
Speaker 2: the legacy of the original, while also pointing out there's

1849
01:37:17,600 --> 01:37:19,679
Speaker 2: no such thing as karate in China, so it should

1850
01:37:19,680 --> 01:37:24,600
Speaker 2: have been called the Kung Fu Kid, and apparently apparently

1851
01:37:24,800 --> 01:37:29,000
Speaker 2: Jackie Chan has resumed his role as mister Hahn.

1852
01:37:29,120 --> 01:37:29,919
Speaker 1: In that movie.

1853
01:37:30,360 --> 01:37:32,680
Speaker 2: I wonder if that was Jackie's condition, that if he

1854
01:37:32,760 --> 01:37:34,720
Speaker 2: was going to be in it, they had to they

1855
01:37:34,720 --> 01:37:36,559
Speaker 2: had to pour it at to China or something they

1856
01:37:36,600 --> 01:37:39,040
Speaker 2: just did out of respect for No, because Nourito was

1857
01:37:39,080 --> 01:37:42,320
Speaker 2: still alive at that point or two or twenty twelve

1858
01:37:43,160 --> 01:37:43,760
Speaker 2: pre are you dying?

1859
01:37:44,160 --> 01:37:45,640
Speaker 1: He dried in twenty twelve.

1860
01:37:46,000 --> 01:37:47,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he would have been alive at that point,

1861
01:37:47,600 --> 01:37:50,360
Speaker 2: so I doubt they would do it out of respect

1862
01:37:50,360 --> 01:37:52,719
Speaker 2: for him. But Jackie Chan is one of the biggest

1863
01:37:52,760 --> 01:37:56,720
Speaker 2: like Chinese political apparatus shills, so I wonder if he

1864
01:37:56,760 --> 01:37:58,040
Speaker 2: was like, you have to move it in China. It

1865
01:37:58,120 --> 01:38:01,120
Speaker 2: has to be able to glory of Chinese martial arts anyway.

1866
01:38:02,479 --> 01:38:06,280
Speaker 2: So Jackie Chan has resumed this role in Another Karate Kid,

1867
01:38:06,439 --> 01:38:09,360
Speaker 2: alongside Ralph Machio, again the actor and not the comic

1868
01:38:09,400 --> 01:38:16,840
Speaker 2: book artist. Apparently that's coming out in December, which okay man.

1869
01:38:18,160 --> 01:38:20,080
Speaker 2: As we mentioned earlier, many of the original casts have

1870
01:38:20,120 --> 01:38:22,519
Speaker 2: resumed their roles for the streaming series Cobra Kai, which

1871
01:38:22,560 --> 01:38:25,680
Speaker 2: I believe is actually like Johnny the character's redemption arc

1872
01:38:26,080 --> 01:38:28,320
Speaker 2: that they keep bringing back all these ancillary characters like

1873
01:38:28,320 --> 01:38:32,639
Speaker 2: they afore mentioned Daryl Vidal. There's also a Karate Kid

1874
01:38:32,720 --> 01:38:36,040
Speaker 2: musical which debuted in Saint Louis in twenty twenty two

1875
01:38:36,120 --> 01:38:39,040
Speaker 2: and is apparently headed for Broadway. Mark Cayman was actually

1876
01:38:39,040 --> 01:38:41,080
Speaker 2: involved in that, which I kind of respect that this

1877
01:38:41,320 --> 01:38:44,559
Speaker 2: hard ass, grizzled old Hollywood guy was like, no, a musical,

1878
01:38:45,360 --> 01:38:45,880
Speaker 2: I'll do it.

1879
01:38:45,920 --> 01:38:49,360
Speaker 1: I had a bad year in my vineyard, so yeah, yeah, right.

1880
01:38:50,080 --> 01:38:53,120
Speaker 2: Lastly, there's a popular theory given space on How I

1881
01:38:53,120 --> 01:38:57,320
Speaker 2: Met Your Mother that pausits Daniel as the antagonist of

1882
01:38:57,360 --> 01:39:00,559
Speaker 2: the film and that he is the aggressor in these scenes.

1883
01:39:00,640 --> 01:39:03,320
Speaker 2: You know, he aggressively moves in on Johnny's ex girl

1884
01:39:03,439 --> 01:39:06,759
Speaker 2: and starts throwing. He throws the first punch in that scene.

1885
01:39:06,760 --> 01:39:10,400
Speaker 2: Maybe I don't know. It's all obviously very tungue in cheek,

1886
01:39:10,439 --> 01:39:12,760
Speaker 2: but it reached enough critical mass that Jimmy Fallon asked

1887
01:39:12,800 --> 01:39:14,679
Speaker 2: him about it when he was on the Tonight Show.

1888
01:39:17,400 --> 01:39:18,880
Speaker 1: And so in the original YouTube.

1889
01:39:18,640 --> 01:39:21,599
Speaker 2: Video that I think where I went viral and prompted

1890
01:39:21,640 --> 01:39:24,519
Speaker 2: all of this, they do hilariously refer to mister Miyagi

1891
01:39:24,600 --> 01:39:33,640
Speaker 2: as a quote local busybody, karate master and child batterer. Hilarious. Ultimately,

1892
01:39:33,760 --> 01:39:36,960
Speaker 2: I hope you folks have enjoyed this. There is one

1893
01:39:37,040 --> 01:39:40,000
Speaker 2: last piece of ephemera that I can recommend. John g

1894
01:39:40,200 --> 01:39:45,080
Speaker 2: Avilson's YouTube channel has uploaded the entirety of a karate

1895
01:39:45,160 --> 01:39:49,479
Speaker 2: kid rehearsal in chunks to YouTube to his YouTube channel.

1896
01:39:49,640 --> 01:39:52,280
Speaker 2: I think I already said that that's fine. He has

1897
01:39:52,320 --> 01:39:56,120
Speaker 2: these hilarious all caps boomerass explanations of what's going on

1898
01:39:56,160 --> 01:39:59,320
Speaker 2: in the video in the description of it, such as

1899
01:39:59,600 --> 01:40:02,960
Speaker 2: and again in all caps, that's Jimmy Crave our cameraman

1900
01:40:03,120 --> 01:40:05,320
Speaker 2: being knocked down when Ralph does a karate kick to

1901
01:40:05,360 --> 01:40:07,439
Speaker 2: the door of the apartment complex at the beginning of

1902
01:40:07,439 --> 01:40:11,800
Speaker 2: our story. That's part one, So they're all up there

1903
01:40:11,800 --> 01:40:17,479
Speaker 2: if you want to watch it. It's pretty great stuff ultimately, folks.

1904
01:40:18,720 --> 01:40:22,559
Speaker 2: Final thought, I want to leave the last word on

1905
01:40:22,640 --> 01:40:25,080
Speaker 2: karate Kid to the man who created the entire thing,

1906
01:40:25,560 --> 01:40:28,960
Speaker 2: Robert Mark Kaman, who once said, I swear to God,

1907
01:40:29,080 --> 01:40:31,200
Speaker 2: if I hear wax on wax off one more time,

1908
01:40:31,520 --> 01:40:33,519
Speaker 2: I will strangle the next person who says.

1909
01:40:33,280 --> 01:40:36,280
Speaker 1: It, which I don't think is a legal karate move.

1910
01:40:36,640 --> 01:40:41,720
Speaker 2: No no, there's no submissions. All points based, folks, this

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