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Speaker 2: I listened to the black guy who tips podcasts because

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Speaker 2: Rodin Karen a halt. So it wasn't all bad, but

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Speaker 2: mostly it was It felt good to be part of

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Speaker 2: a club. I imagine a lot of online trolls feel

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Speaker 2: this way too, so I excuse my any particular egregious

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Speaker 2: offensive comments about how Stephanie was fat or looked like

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Speaker 2: a man. In exchange for my membership, I tried to

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Speaker 2: focus on the few and far between positives. When the

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Speaker 2: site moderates Stay would host a meet up in New York,

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Speaker 2: I decided to go. Making the lead from online to

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Speaker 2: offline friendship is always risky, but with a few positive,

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Speaker 2: pathetic version of the counters under my belt, I thought,

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Speaker 2: what's the worst that could happen. I made the hour

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Speaker 2: long track from Queen's to a dive bar in Brooklyn,

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Speaker 2: and I dis and discovered I joined a mean girl

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Speaker 2: style clique. If you've ever made a friend online, you

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Speaker 2: understand the intensity of that kind of friendship. It's no

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Speaker 2: less quote unquote real than any friendship with someone you

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Speaker 2: met at school or work. I assumed that my fellow

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Speaker 2: like the kinds of people I'd want to hang out

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Speaker 2: with on the regular, But the whole thing felt blatantly uncool.

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Speaker 2: I had assumed Stephanie would be the unspoken elephant slash

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Speaker 2: beast in the room. We'd act as if we'd known

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Speaker 2: each other for ages, in between knowing winks and inside jokes. Instead,

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Speaker 2: they wouldn't stop talking about Stephanie. Things got even stranger

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Speaker 2: with one of the moderators, let's call her XX, Josiecat XX,

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Speaker 2: lashed on to me as if we'd been friends forever,

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Speaker 3: We'd spent years paling around online together.

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Speaker 2: If Josie Cat hadn't been so nasty to me in

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Speaker 2: the months and years we'd spent on the site when

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Speaker 2: one of the other pvs Pathetic Versers that's the name

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Speaker 2: Josie Cat had called me out as a being just

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Speaker 2: jealous of Stephanie, which I was, but so was everyone else.

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Speaker 2: That was why we established an entire website to make

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Speaker 2: fun of her. Naturally, I was a little nervous to

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Speaker 2: cutting insults, she wouldn't stop fawning all over me. She

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Speaker 2: paraded me around the bar, asking people if they met

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Speaker 2: me or watched my hilarious videos. Though now I'm more

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Speaker 2: familiar with the ways people's personality shift when they'd closed

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Speaker 2: their laptops and get into the real world, it felt

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Speaker 2: very clear how much time I'd wasted with these people.

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Speaker 2: Instead of working on videos or taking an acting class

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Speaker 2: and doing literally anything valuable, I'd spend a significant portion

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Speaker 2: with the mean conspiracy theories about a d list New

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Speaker 2: While I made jokes about becoming an old spinster with

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Speaker 2: no one to cut off but her cats, and I

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Speaker 2: really don't like cats. Hey. Welcome to the Blackout Tips podcast,

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Speaker 2: your host Rod and Kim, and we're live on a Sunday.

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Okay? Uh, just leave us five star reviews. The

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Speaker 2: official weapon of the show is an unofficial sport and

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Speaker 2: bulletball Extreme And today's excerpt is from Well That Escalated

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Speaker 2: Quickly by Francesca Ramsey and uh, that'sh it. That's one

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Speaker 2: of my favorite chapters in the book and basically talks

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Speaker 2: about how she was spending time hating and the name

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Speaker 2: of the chapter is stop hating, start and start studying.

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Speaker 2: Because she was she had joined a group. First of all,

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Speaker 2: These people were so dedicated to hating her they created

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Speaker 4: They don't understand.

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Speaker 5: It's very it's very frustrating when you're talking to people

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Speaker 2: Shit like that. Yeah, I saw some in the chatroom

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Speaker 2: say who has time to do that? And you know what,

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Speaker 4: Lot of people, baby, you would be surprised a lot

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Speaker 2: This sounds like it was really before social media blew

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Speaker 4: Like they said, who the fuck got time for that?

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Speaker 2: It was right. You know, people were literally dedicating, you know,

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Speaker 5: That's why we don't click. In a lot of times,

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Speaker 5: Children do this, but it does do this thing too.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think for me, it's more like the the

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Speaker 2: certain extent, there's a lesson that you can't learn until

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00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:05,280
Speaker 2: you had it done to you, right, and you know, like,

438
00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:10,399
Speaker 2: until you've been lied on, it's hard to understand why

439
00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:14,720
Speaker 2: we can't treat every single claim about somebody it's true

440
00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:18,439
Speaker 2: without any research, any evidence, like, but once it happens

441
00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:20,320
Speaker 2: to you, you're like, oh, yeah, I see how you

442
00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:23,199
Speaker 2: would want to have some level of like, let me

443
00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:25,800
Speaker 2: look into this thing before I just start spouting off.

444
00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:26,000
Speaker 4: Right.

445
00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:31,320
Speaker 2: When until you've been silenced by somebody, you can't really

446
00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:34,680
Speaker 2: you don't really understand what it's like. You'll be asking

447
00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:36,600
Speaker 2: questions like, well, why didn't they say something wing to happen?

448
00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:38,600
Speaker 2: You know, that kind of thing and with that cancel

449
00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:43,600
Speaker 2: culture shit until you've really been targeted by people. And

450
00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:45,840
Speaker 2: it's not about being canceled. I mean, she obviously still

451
00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:48,119
Speaker 2: has a podcast like on her still a website, but

452
00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:50,640
Speaker 2: it's about the harassment element of it that they never

453
00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:53,760
Speaker 2: take into account when it's happening when they're doing it

454
00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:58,280
Speaker 2: to somebody's when you're in someone's mentioned, when you're harassing somebody,

455
00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:01,560
Speaker 2: when you're you know, using the pressure of social media

456
00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:05,280
Speaker 2: and stuff to like demonize people and then going through

457
00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:08,040
Speaker 2: like and not apologize, and then when they apologize, that's

458
00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:10,600
Speaker 2: not enough. And then when they work on the next project,

459
00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:13,359
Speaker 2: we're bringing up the old shit when when you haven't

460
00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:15,879
Speaker 2: been on that side of it, like when you're when

461
00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:18,240
Speaker 2: you're the one doing it, you think this target has

462
00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:21,359
Speaker 2: no feelings, no emotions, nothing's real, and all the dopamine

463
00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:23,520
Speaker 2: and retweets and shit, your shit is real, their shit

464
00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:26,840
Speaker 2: is fake, right and boom, you haven't done to you,

465
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:30,400
Speaker 2: and everyone's calling you fake. Everyone's being like, your shit

466
00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:34,280
Speaker 2: is not real. Everyone's saying you're lying. It's even if

467
00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:37,800
Speaker 2: you're telling the truth, that'saying you're line. Like, that's got

468
00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:40,040
Speaker 2: to give you a perspective. And I feel like that's

469
00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:43,040
Speaker 2: what France chapter gives you in that part of the book,

470
00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:45,520
Speaker 2: is this perspective of like, I've been on this side

471
00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:47,000
Speaker 2: of this thing. I call things out, I do this,

472
00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:49,879
Speaker 2: I do that, but I've also been a hater and

473
00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,760
Speaker 2: I've also experienced that, and that's not good either. So yeah,

474
00:22:52,840 --> 00:23:00,840
Speaker 2: I just appreciated that. So Butterfly in the Sky I

475
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:02,440
Speaker 2: could go twice as high.

476
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:04,440
Speaker 4: Take a look.

477
00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:07,800
Speaker 2: It's in our book, A Reading Rainbow.

478
00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:17,240
Speaker 4: I can go anywhere. Princeton know and ways to grow

479
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:24,400
Speaker 4: A Reading Rainbow. I can be anything.

480
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:30,720
Speaker 2: Take a look. It's in our book, A Reading Rainbow,

481
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:41,320
Speaker 2: Reading Rainbow. All right, let's get into the show, right,

482
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:47,439
Speaker 2: all kinds of news is happening. Pop Smoke, this rapper

483
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:51,639
Speaker 2: who was twenty years old, he got killed and I

484
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:58,320
Speaker 2: believe like Hollywood Hills area, and uh, the police are

485
00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:00,879
Speaker 2: now investigating his death because they're saying the first they

486
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,640
Speaker 2: thought it was a home invasion, but the details came

487
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:05,880
Speaker 2: out where there's like more than just him in the house.

488
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:07,680
Speaker 2: He's the only one that got killed. And then there's

489
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,399
Speaker 2: surveillance footage outside the house, so people think maybe it

490
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:15,119
Speaker 2: was a targeted hit on this land, you know. So,

491
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,800
Speaker 2: although police are still investigating the shooting death of Pop Smoked,

492
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,920
Speaker 2: sources to say the rapper himself had worries about gang

493
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 2: members in the days prior to his death. Border TMZ

494
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:26,720
Speaker 2: Pop was scheduled to perform at the King's Theater in

495
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:29,480
Speaker 2: Brooklyn last Sunday night. However, right before the show, he

496
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:31,880
Speaker 2: announced via Instagram that the police shut the show down.

497
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:35,879
Speaker 2: Unfortunately NYPD, he won't let me perform, he his story

498
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,440
Speaker 2: posts read. But law enforces sociers say they didn't shut

499
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,560
Speaker 2: the show down. Pop canceled himself. The rapper was out

500
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 2: on Bell in a federal car theft chase and was ordered,

501
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:48,280
Speaker 2: I mean case, was ordered to stay away from gang members.

502
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,920
Speaker 2: Cops did admit that canceling the show was self preservation

503
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:54,720
Speaker 2: on Pop's behalf. As previously reported, his death appears to

504
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 2: be a targeted hit based on the counts by those

505
00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,120
Speaker 2: who saw the surveillance footage from outside the home where

506
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 2: Pop lived and died. Yeah, they also said, like the

507
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 2: speculation that he was on Instagram and like he showed

508
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:09,200
Speaker 2: like he opened a box or some gift or something,

509
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 2: and people saw his address that he was staying at

510
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 2: on there and that's how they found him. Like there's

511
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 2: a bunch of speculation, that's not a lot of confirmed

512
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:22,639
Speaker 2: stuff right now, but it brought me. Uh, the reason

513
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:26,399
Speaker 2: I brought it up is because I think one a

514
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 2: lot of these kids have dying in this rap game

515
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:33,160
Speaker 2: right now. Like you know, whether it's Triple X Temptation,

516
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:39,440
Speaker 2: whether it's uh, I can't juice World, who died in

517
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:43,960
Speaker 2: the airport after od in on drugs? Uh shit, macmillany.

518
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:47,200
Speaker 2: Even like, there's a lot of these these these cats

519
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 2: going out right now, either you know, violently and whatnot.

520
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 2: And I think our generation, being a bit older than

521
00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 2: these kids now, has a tendency to really dismissed this

522
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:04,919
Speaker 2: ship as like who and all these jokes that you know,

523
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:08,400
Speaker 2: all the jokes that you know, but there's a lot

524
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 2: of like pop smunk, I never heard them. I guess

525
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 2: smoke got popped ship, you know, just stupid shit like that.

526
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 2: And I get it that we don't know these kids.

527
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,399
Speaker 2: We don't know this generation, so it's easy for us

528
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 2: to like dismiss it. But I really think it's one

529
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:23,200
Speaker 2: of the things that is interesting. And this is why

530
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 2: I felt this way when Triple X Temptation died. I

531
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 2: wasn't really trying to like just ship on him and

532
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 2: ship on the people that were his fans and stuff,

533
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 2: because they appeared to be kids, right And when we

534
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 2: were kids, we definitely had our problematic heroes. Even shit

535
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 2: did we today? I was gonna say a month ago

536
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 2: forty one year old Kobe Bryant died, and he was

537
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,879
Speaker 2: a lot of people's problematic heroes, and nobody want to

538
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:55,359
Speaker 2: hear nothing different, right, thed like one of the tear

539
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:59,399
Speaker 2: gil king the rains, because because we don't want to

540
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 2: hear shit about nothing other than him being a perfect man,

541
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:08,160
Speaker 2: perfect father who was framed for sexual assault and completely innocent.

542
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,920
Speaker 2: And there's nothing to talk about here, right, And so

543
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 2: but when it came to these kids and their you know,

544
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,920
Speaker 2: sacred cows or whatever, we like really tore those kids down.

545
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,360
Speaker 2: And you saw a lot of tearing down of those

546
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 2: kids and the icons that they have, right because we

547
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 2: don't respect them, you don't know them. The only thing

548
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 2: we know about them is the shit they fucked up.

549
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 2: And the thing that really got to me was looked

550
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 2: down my parents' house or whatever. On Friday, I was

551
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 2: hanging out with my niece and we was just talking

552
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:42,879
Speaker 2: in the other room and she was talking, you know,

553
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 2: you know, it's that thing where I don't know if

554
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 2: everybody does this, but maybe it's an introvert thing, maybe

555
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 2: it's a liber thing.

556
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 3: I don't know, but like, you know, my niece is a.

557
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 2: Teenager now, and so you know, teenage, you got the hormones,

558
00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,439
Speaker 2: you got all that stuff. She already was kind of

559
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 2: a kind of like stoic, sarcastic, funny girl. Anyway, So

560
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,679
Speaker 2: you know, I come in the room and I basically

561
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:10,119
Speaker 2: do this thing where I try to get on her

562
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 2: wavelength as opposed to just funstering my way like most adoptes.

563
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 2: I just remember when I was a kid at that age. Anyway,

564
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 2: most adults seem to like come in.

565
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,399
Speaker 3: And be like, come on over here, and I'm hugging

566
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 3: all this, you know.

567
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,680
Speaker 2: Just it's like they force their weight like through power personality,

568
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,359
Speaker 2: and they always see you as that little kid that

569
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:28,879
Speaker 2: they used to come in and be like hug my

570
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 2: neck and all this shit.

571
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 3: And that's cool.

572
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:34,199
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that they don't love you or anything,

573
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,880
Speaker 2: but I just don't want to be that kind of uncle,

574
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 2: that kind of adult. So I try to feel out

575
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 2: like what are you on? Like if you just chilling

576
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 2: in here, I'm just chilling in here. If you want

577
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 2: to talk, I want to talk. If you don't want

578
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 2: to talk, I don't want to talk. Like totally cool.

579
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 2: But we get in there and you know, you know,

580
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 2: we talk about just normal you know, like she's cooking.

581
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 2: I ask her about cooking, you know, go through school,

582
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 2: talk about that kind of stuff. But one of the

583
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 2: thing she had said to me was when we were

584
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 2: sitting down, she was looking at her laptop. World, she

585
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 2: was like, you heard about pop smoke And I was like, yeah,

586
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 2: I did hear about that. That's crazy. He's only like

587
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 2: twenty years old or whatever. And she was like, I know,

588
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 2: he can't even drink yet and he's already dead. And

589
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 2: I was like, I know. And she was like, you know,

590
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 2: it's just a lot of them dying with Juice World,

591
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 2: and she brought up like a few more too, and

592
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 2: then she was also like and with Kobe, it's like,

593
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 2: you know a lot of people that's trying to do

594
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 2: good or have done good in the world, is just

595
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 2: they being taken out and shit. Oh. She brought up

596
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 2: Triple extentation that other one, and she brought up how

597
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 2: she was fans of them right and you know, and

598
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 2: like I said, I have no judgment for that because

599
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 2: I was a fan of Tupac. I was a fan

600
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 2: of Big right, like two people that you know. Tupac

601
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 2: allegedly held a woman down when she was sexually assaulted

602
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 2: Big supposed to beat, physically assaulted Little Kim and Faith

603
00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 2: and shit. So I don't remember knowing about that ship

604
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 2: when I was a kid, but still when they died,

605
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 2: I was not trying to hear no other stories about it,

606
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 2: I know that much. And nobody else of my generation

607
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 2: really was either. You know, now that we're all older

608
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 2: and shit, now we try to act like we was

609
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 2: always this way. Yeah, but see the Lords Tucky wasn't

610
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 2: out here boycoind against nobody, you know. So it just

611
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 2: made me think about like the oh that this must

612
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 2: be having on these kids, man, because I mean even

613
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 2: when we was younger, you had like you know, Big

614
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 2: l died or you know, you your Easy died of HIV.

615
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 2: You know, you had Pop Big, You know all this stuff.

616
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 2: And yes, it's not like every representing and shit, but

617
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 2: that feeling of, you know, the people that you look

618
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 2: up to, the people that you're entertained by, the people

619
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 2: who are in your ears losing those people. I think

620
00:30:55,680 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 2: sometimes the adults, the older people get callous because we

621
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 2: don't have that connection to these particular people, right.

622
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 4: You know, but because of the disconnect, we go fuck it.

623
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, And when you're young man, you just not really

624
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 2: I'm not saying it doesn't happen or whatever, but just

625
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 2: you're not really prepared for that, you know. I remember

626
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 2: Kurt Cobain died like that fucked a lot of people

627
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 2: up when we were young, it did, you know. It's

628
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 2: like shit like that just ain't supposed to happen, you know,

629
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 2: And so you know, I don't like that was the

630
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 2: only thing because I just you know, I just wanted

631
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 2: to add that to the conversation. I don't really have

632
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to judge or beat and minish people,

633
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 2: but it just felt like there's a lot of like

634
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 2: that's sad, but kind of like these fucking kids man,

635
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 2: you know, as opposed to being like, you know, what

636
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 2: about the kids that listen to them and stuff, because look,

637
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 2: the kids in your lives listen to.

638
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 5: This shit, you know, right, But that's the thing adults do,

639
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 5: busy trying to be like that ain't.

640
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 4: Shit or I don't like no new music that they

641
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 4: are not even asking the children that they are around

642
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 4: on their own children, Hey did you listen? And if

643
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 4: you do, how is this impacting you? How do you feel?

644
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 4: Because everybody go ken, I just don't talk. Do you

645
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 4: fucking ask them? Do you ask them?

646
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 2: All right? And they see the ship we say about

647
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 2: these kids that are died, and we just dismissed and

648
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 2: mock them, and shit, man, that ain't cool. And we

649
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 2: expected the whole world to cry for Kobe Bryant, the

650
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 2: whole world like so it just seemed wild to have

651
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 2: that hypocritical lens on it or a stance on it.

652
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 2: And you know, also, like you know, I don't know

653
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 2: how much other people are doing this, but like I

654
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 2: talked to her about music and TV and shit that

655
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 2: she's watching and what she's listening to and stuff, and

656
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 2: got some suggestions from her and all that stuff. And

657
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 2: it's not unusual. I mean, I do this kind of

658
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 2: with the kids I play ball with and stuff. And

659
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 2: it's why I do listen to like, you know, I'm

660
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,479
Speaker 2: sure it ran out terrence if he ever hears just

661
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 2: you know, he's rolling his eyes right now, I know,

662
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 2: but this is why I listen to that shit, like

663
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 2: you know, it might like I know, there's also like

664
00:32:57,760 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 2: kind of embracing being older. And because it's not like

665
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 2: I listened to to stay young or nothing, but I

666
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 2: really I want to be able to talk to my

667
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 2: fucking niece about this ship, you know what I mean,

668
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 2: Like when so we're sitting there, we're talking about like

669
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 2: Roddy rich or you know, uh, you know, the baby

670
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 2: and shit like that, Like because that's what that's what's

671
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 2: in her ears. I want to know what's in there,

672
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? I want to know what

673
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 2: she thinks about that. You know, And she's a pretty smart,

674
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 2: level headed kid, but you know, you never really know.

675
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 2: And if you just ignore all this ship, you really

676
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 2: ignoring a certain extent part of your kids world. And

677
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 2: I know that's a quote unquote tradition. You know that

678
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 2: that passed down from generation to generation, but we now

679
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 2: had the tools to make that go away to a

680
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 2: certain extent, Like it's never been easier to be like, well,

681
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 2: let me go check out this playlist, or let me

682
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 2: go check out this artist, and and and and listen

683
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 2: and for our generation especially, listen to it with a

684
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 2: non judgmental ear because if you as old as us, doll,

685
00:33:56,800 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 2: you you sang along to win and I fucked you

686
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 2: last night, so you don't got no room to be

687
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 2: like I can't believe these children today, Like you don't

688
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:12,799
Speaker 2: want to hit right. So it's like we have we

689
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 2: particularly our special generation that has the ability to connect

690
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,839
Speaker 2: to these kids and who most most of these kids

691
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 2: are actually seeing as like grown ups that you know,

692
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 2: do productive things or the other their parents, whether you're

693
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,760
Speaker 2: you know, mentors, all that stuff they're seeing. Like, Okay,

694
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 2: so this doesn't make me like a bad person to

695
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 2: to listen to a rapper that raps about drugs and

696
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 2: sex and violence and shit. We came from that generation

697
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 2: where our rappers did talk about that. But then you

698
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,439
Speaker 2: want to add some perspective to the world of like, hey,

699
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 2: this doesn't have this isn't real or you know, you

700
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 2: know the yet these kids are out here, some of

701
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 2: them are out here, you know, really doing this shit,

702
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,720
Speaker 2: and just you know, be careful around the gang culture

703
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,399
Speaker 2: and stuff that's within the rap, you know, because it's real.

704
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:03,359
Speaker 2: You can go to a concert and shit could get real.

705
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 2: Speaking of which black youngster, there was a rapper he

706
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 2: pulls a gun out on stage after the crowd gets heated.

707
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 2: Oh shit, I guess he said, I'll see what y'all

708
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 2: did to the baby and triple exentation. I'm not coming

709
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 2: up here.

710
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,879
Speaker 5: Yeah, people, the fuck that I will know what you're

711
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:24,879
Speaker 5: not gonna do it get Joe Black as on stage.

712
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 2: During the club performance in South Carolina, Black Youngster flash

713
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 2: his gun on stage after the audience got a little heated,

714
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 2: and the video that serviced online, Youngster can be seen

715
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,879
Speaker 2: intimidating hostile individuals in the crowd and self defense. It's

716
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:37,800
Speaker 2: not clear what led to the incident, but the rapper

717
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 2: was allegedly berated by members of the Charleston Crips at

718
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 2: the Not.

719
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 3: New hip Hop as Not New hip Hop pointed.

720
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:47,959
Speaker 2: Out via DJ on TV on Instagram. Before he pulled

721
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 2: out his gun, he attempted.

722
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 3: To calm down the crowd. I don't know y'all, broh.

723
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:53,399
Speaker 2: He can be heard in the video saying, I don't

724
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 2: have no problems with y'all, brother.

725
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 4: That's that. Buttherfucking warning is people need to listen to

726
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 4: warn is down South? Yeah, yeah, up North? You're down South?

727
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 2: Did that right?

728
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:05,280
Speaker 4: There was a goddamn warning.

729
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 2: I don't know y'all, bro. I don't have no problem

730
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 2: with y'all, brother, but we strapped with whatever y'all with. Bro,

731
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 2: we don't give no fuck, bru Get let me do

732
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 2: my show. I'm gonna come outside. We're gonna deal with that.

733
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do my show. We're gonna come out and

734
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 2: deal with y'all. As he was performing the crowded teas

735
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,280
Speaker 2: the Heck of the Memphis Rapper, and then he quickly

736
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:26,799
Speaker 2: he's quickly handed a gun that appears to have an

737
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 2: extended clip attached. Chaos ensues as people leave the venue

738
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 2: while a while several other store items are Youngster and

739
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,320
Speaker 2: his crew on stage. Oh they really had a death wish.

740
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:37,399
Speaker 2: It's unclear what led to the occasion with the show

741
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 2: happened on Thursday, and so far, he has not commented

742
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 2: on the incident.

743
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, Yeah, everybody ain't everybody on edge? Yeah, and

744
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:51,280
Speaker 4: everybody ain't like the baby.

745
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 2: For the baby, I mean, the baby killed a man,

746
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:57,879
Speaker 2: So maybe every everybody maybe he was like.

747
00:36:57,840 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 4: The baby camp I mean when I mean like that,

748
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,359
Speaker 4: they're like, hey, y'all ain't gonna be walking up on

749
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 4: me and know what we're not gonna do? Is that bullshit?

750
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, yeah, the baby gotta got her body to

751
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 2: prove it that he ain't like that either. Let's see

752
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 2: what else is happening in the news, guys. Oh, some

753
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 2: political news, guys. Elizabeth Warren has reversed on super Pac support.

754
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 2: That's how it has to be. Some people mad about this,

755
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 2: by the way, not because she reversed, but because she

756
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 2: admonished some of the other candidates in the race and

757
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 2: made it so that they felt the pressure to not

758
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 2: take the super Pac money. And now they out of

759
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 2: the race because they ran out of money. People were

760
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 2: pointing us out for Warren, for Harris, and forget the

761
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 2: other one. I don't think it was she Yang.

762
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 3: I can't remember the other one.

763
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 2: But it was like, now that these other candidates are

764
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 2: color out of the race, she wanted to turn around

765
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 2: take this same money, and uh yeah, right, if you

766
00:37:58,040 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 2: want to win, sar.

767
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 4: On this air when we had that, it was stupid

768
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:05,399
Speaker 4: the whole time. You was like, y'all take them about

769
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 4: the fucking money.

770
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:06,399
Speaker 2: Money.

771
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 4: You have to have money, So.

772
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 3: What you're supposed to be out of the race on

773
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 3: your own honor?

774
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 2: Fuck that shit.

775
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:15,320
Speaker 3: Like the point of running is to win and you can't.

776
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, we don't have a system where you can win

777
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 2: without money going into your fucking coffers. Man, Like when

778
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 2: the money run out, you run out, that's right. So

779
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 2: uh yeah, man, she turned around and was like, yeah,

780
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 2: I'm taking this money now, and a lot of people

781
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 2: is kind of mad. She campaign against money's influence of politics,

782
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 2: said the day after her debate she would now disavow

783
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 2: She would not disavowed super pack supporting her Senator Elizabeth

784
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 2: Warner is a long time credit is a big money

785
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 2: organization on the super PACs and as as and of

786
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 2: candidates who are supported by them. But she reversed course

787
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 2: on Thursday and refused to disavow superpack called persist Pack,

788
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 2: created to support her presidential campaign. It was a change

789
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 2: so sudden that Warren's own campaign website still said the

790
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 2: Massachusetts senator rejects ouf super PACs and would disavow any

791
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:08,280
Speaker 2: super pac form to support her in the Democratic primary.

792
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 2: She had criticized other candidates for them as late as

793
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 2: last week. On the debate stage in New Hampshire, Warren

794
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 2: told reporters she had called dozens of times for other

795
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 2: candidates to agree not to accept the support of super PACs,

796
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 2: with no success. So here's where I staid. If all

797
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:25,839
Speaker 2: the candidates want to get rid of super PACs, count

798
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 2: me in. I'll lead the charge, she told reporters at

799
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 2: a campaign stop Thursday. But that's how it has to

800
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 2: But that's how it has to be. It can't be

801
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 2: the case that a bunch of people keep them and

802
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:37,879
Speaker 2: only one or two don't. Right. She connected the issue

803
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 2: directly the gender, noted that the Democratic field was stock

804
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 2: with male candidates who were either billionaires or backed by

805
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,280
Speaker 2: big money organizations. We reached the point a few weeks

806
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:48,720
Speaker 2: ago where all the men who were on the debate

807
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 2: stage all had either super packs or they were multi

808
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 2: billionaires who could rummish around in their sock drawers and

809
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:56,720
Speaker 2: find enough money to be able to fund a campaign.

810
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:58,360
Speaker 3: And the only people who didn't have them were the

811
00:39:58,360 --> 00:39:58,799
Speaker 3: two women.

812
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 2: She said. At that point, there were some women around

813
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 2: the country who said that's just not right. Bernie Sanders

814
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 2: has a big money group, Our Revolution, that functions similarly

815
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 2: to a pack and is able to raise unlimited sums

816
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 2: of money on his behalf. As a nonprofit, it does

817
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 2: not have to disclose its donors, unlike super Packs. He's

818
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 2: also supported by the country's largest nurses union, National Nurses United,

819
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 2: who super pac spent five million dollars back in him

820
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 2: in twenty sixteen. So yeah, he I mean, look, dog,

821
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 2: you can either worry about looking right for these pure motherfuckers,

822
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 2: or you can try to win right. And I guess

823
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 2: the desperation has put her and try to win Molde,

824
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 2: which I appreciate. But it may be too late, but

825
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 2: I hope not.

826
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 4: I hope not either, But you I agree.

827
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I voted for her yesterday, but it might be

828
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 3: too late.

829
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 2: Like this look like I said, I said a few

830
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 2: weeks ago, I'm glad that she's changed off of this

831
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 2: because to me, the thing I like about her, she's

832
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 2: willing to listen and change, unlike a lot of the

833
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:00,839
Speaker 2: candidates who stay stuck on shit and I really don't

834
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,439
Speaker 2: have time for, like I said, the debates online and shit,

835
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:05,720
Speaker 2: I don't even like talking politics of these niggas online

836
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 2: because everyone's doing the same shit they always do, which

837
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 2: is but one time this person was like this, and

838
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 2: it's like DoD there's some people where that's extremely relevant,

839
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:18,359
Speaker 2: and I completely understand why you, you know, you would

840
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 2: be like, I don't trust this person. I really do.

841
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:23,840
Speaker 2: But there's also this thing where it's like certain shit

842
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 2: people won't be penalized for and won't stick to certain candidates.

843
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 2: So you know, when you've raised that for all candidates,

844
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 2: only certain ones are gonna be hurt by it.

845
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 3: And they're typically gonna be women.

846
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 2: They're typically gonna be people of diverse ethnic backgrounds other

847
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 2: than white men other you know, and so the shit

848
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:44,359
Speaker 2: is gonna stick to them in a way that doesn't

849
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 2: stick to these other candidates. So that's why you're gonna

850
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 2: see women have to drop out first. You're gonna see

851
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 2: black people drop out first. You're gonna see a lot

852
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 2: of a lot of those groups be the ones that

853
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 2: take the hit because they can't erase it the way

854
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:02,839
Speaker 2: white men so racist everything. Joe Biden has all these

855
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 2: things times ten. There's a reason he ain't dropping out

856
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:09,280
Speaker 2: the race, you know, there's a reason people keep voting

857
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 2: for him and all this shit, Like it's kind of ridiculous,

858
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 2: but it is what it is.

859
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 3: He's a white man. The shit just don't count.

860
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 2: So yeah, I just think it's interesting because I remember

861
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 2: when she was running and they were showing it like

862
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 2: a town hall or something, and it was a viral

863
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 2: video going around Twitter, and it was her like kind

864
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 2: of apologizing for something, to like black people for something.

865
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:37,760
Speaker 2: I was just like, if I see one more video

866
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:43,280
Speaker 2: this woman having apologized, what what are your campaign points?

867
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 2: Right like? Because this thing where you got to live

868
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:49,800
Speaker 2: for Twitter and all this stuff Twitter makes you feel

869
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 2: like and tries to make it sound like all people

870
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 2: want from these candidates. It's like these very apologetic whimpering

871
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:02,799
Speaker 2: I'm sorry for my privileged candidates. And that may sound

872
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 2: good on social media with a small percentage of people

873
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 2: on social media, but when it comes to actual fucking vote,

874
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 2: people vote for people that get fired up about you know,

875
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 2: and you and you being like, I'm sorry, ain't fired that.

876
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 2: She ain't gonna fire nobody up. So to see her

877
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:23,359
Speaker 2: make that flip like that's until the last like a

878
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:26,359
Speaker 2: few days, that's the first I really now, I'm like, yo,

879
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 2: I'm really excited about this candidate.

880
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:29,879
Speaker 3: Where was this the whole time?

881
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 2: Right? Should have been should have been you know, should

882
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 2: have been lighting all these motherfuckers up in every debate

883
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 2: because I didn't know you had this in you, and

884
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 2: it's good to see you do and the good to

885
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 2: see you kind of identify with some of the things

886
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 2: I feel about it. Correct, So that was one. They

887
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:50,879
Speaker 2: also believe Bernie one Nevada or with fifty reporting he's

888
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 2: way in the league and I think that's actually kind

889
00:43:54,680 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 2: of an inspiring story on a couple On a couple fronts,

890
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:04,359
Speaker 2: they did vote before Elizabeth Warren. Half of them did

891
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 2: early vote, so they saw before Elizaeth Warren's debate performance. Now,

892
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 2: maybe that would change some minds. I don't know, but

893
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 2: if people felt about it the way I did, I

894
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 2: feel like it would change some people's minds. But one

895
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 2: of the things I thought was inspiring was that he

896
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 2: actually got the.

897
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:25,439
Speaker 3: Culinary Union most of the votes from there.

898
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 2: Now the reason that's important there's a podcast called The

899
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 2: Daily Okay, I want to say their Thursday episode of

900
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 2: last week, which would have been like the twentieth or

901
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 2: the twenty it's either the twentieth or twenty. First of

902
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 2: February was the episode, and they went down to to

903
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 2: talk about the to talk to the Culinary Union like

904
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:54,400
Speaker 2: heads and the members of it about voting in the

905
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 2: primary and who they were going to vote for in

906
00:44:56,560 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 2: the Democratic primary, and it sounded like this The story

907
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 2: was so so amazing because what happened was the Culinary

908
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:09,319
Speaker 2: Union has like the best health care in America, like

909
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 2: no co pays, best insurance ever, right, but the way

910
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 2: they had to get it there was. They used to

911
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 2: have good insurance and then this uh, this uh person

912
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 2: bought the plantation or whatever that they worked on the

913
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:24,360
Speaker 2: plant and was like.

914
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'm not paying for y'all's insurance no.

915
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 4: More because it's more. Yeah, the company has to pay more.

916
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,240
Speaker 4: The Yeah, the better the insurance, the more the company pays.

917
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:38,399
Speaker 2: So they went on strike. The culinary union striked for

918
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 2: six years.

919
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, they went about them games.

920
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:45,799
Speaker 2: They were like people, people died, people had kids, like people.

921
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 2: You know, all this stuff happened. And they interviewed the

922
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 2: head of this the union, and this mostly women and

923
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 2: very heavily Hispanic and black, you know, black and brown.

924
00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 2: So these women who represent this union, they thought, like

925
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 2: you can hear the tears in their voices when they

926
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 2: talked about that fight. That six and a half years

927
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:11,760
Speaker 2: they didn't have, you know that they had to strike

928
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 2: every single day.

929
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 5: Right, And people tell my mother, fucking fuck unions, get

930
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 5: the fuck out of here.

931
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:20,439
Speaker 2: Right. And so they ended up getting the health care

932
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:23,359
Speaker 2: that they want from a new person, Madyl. And they

933
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 2: gat said, well, they gave it the order demands. We're

934
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 2: gonna give you all the health care. You go to

935
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 2: the doctor, you know, for your loved ones, all that

936
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:35,839
Speaker 2: stuff in your family. So you would think conventionally that

937
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 2: when Bernie comes to town, Warren comes to town, Biden

938
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 2: comes to town, whatever, They're gonna have a hard time

939
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 2: getting these people to get excited for any of their

940
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 2: medical plans, because essentially, unless I can keep what I have,

941
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 2: why the fuck would I want to switch to the

942
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 2: thing you're talking about, which is gonna ultimately cost me

943
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 2: money or ensure me less.

944
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 5: Right, And for most countries they actually don't get rid

945
00:46:59,920 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 5: of uh other, Like it's more than just one single payer.

946
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 5: It's like, yeah, we have that, but then there's other options.

947
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 5: Nobody actually just is like, oh, we just won single.

948
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 2: Well, Bernie is Medicare for all, right, Elizabeth Warren is

949
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 2: like I think for like, give you a choice, and

950
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 2: she has an idea how she's gonna pay for it.

951
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 2: As always people to Jake no plan. Body is like,

952
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 2: you can keep what you have and then also we

953
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 2: can make Obama care better. Blah blah blah. Right, I'm

954
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:30,800
Speaker 2: not knocking any these just the choices that they're presented.

955
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 2: I don't know what Club of Chars is, but the

956
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 2: thing was they were a union that said essentially, not Bernie,

957
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:42,359
Speaker 2: not even Medicare for all, because that's a step down.

958
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 2: We want to know, can we keep our shit right,

959
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:46,319
Speaker 2: Like we don't if other people had an option for

960
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 2: Medicare for all, But we would like to keep our

961
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 2: shit because it's so good. And you know, obviously under

962
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 2: Bernie that can't be promised because he's trying to get

963
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 2: everybody on one thing, right. And so they also interviewed

964
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 2: some of the workers that and the workers were like

965
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 2: at first, some of them would talk to the journalists

966
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 2: and be like, yeah, you know, I'm voting for you

967
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 2: know body, I'm voting for you know, war or whatever,

968
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 2: but everybody nobody could say Bernie really, And then one

969
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:18,319
Speaker 2: person said Bernie. And then they saw a woman like

970
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 2: step to the side and talk to him from the union.

971
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:22,880
Speaker 2: And then they call him back after the primary as

972
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 2: we voted for stuff, and he signed a lot more.

973
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 2: Cagey sounded almost like scared to tell them what happened

974
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:31,319
Speaker 2: and stuff, and he said, I can't talk to y'all

975
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:33,839
Speaker 2: without a union representative no more. So they were like,

976
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 2: is a union intimidating people into voting for Bernie or

977
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 2: intimidating them into talking about I mean, are they intendating

978
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 2: them into not voting for Bernie because the union didn't

979
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 2: come out and endorse anyone, right, And everyone thought, well,

980
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 2: they probably gonna endorse Bernie. He's worked with unions mostly,

981
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 2: you know, he's pro union. Blah blah blah. No, they

982
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 2: didn't endorse anyone, right, And so they go back and

983
00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:02,839
Speaker 2: talk to the union head and she's a Latino woman

984
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 2: and she has like, you know, kind of thicker accent

985
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:08,880
Speaker 2: and stuff. But you know, she starts talking about like

986
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 2: when they didn't endorse Bernie, people were threatening them, people

987
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 2: were calling harassing their family members. She had screenshots or

988
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 2: takes much as just sent to her daughter and stuff

989
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 2: and so so so then and she's like on a

990
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 2: verge of tiers. Now in my I don't know this

991
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:30,759
Speaker 2: woman who did this report, So don't knock me. I'm

992
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 2: not trying to. I don't know. So maybe I'm completely

993
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 2: in the dark hair, But it felt like she was

994
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 2: pro Bernie, and I believe she is a woman of color,

995
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:43,759
Speaker 2: and so it sounded like in her zeal to be

996
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 2: like the story here is, y'all are intimidating your own

997
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:51,319
Speaker 2: union into not supporting Bernie. Her she kind of was

998
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 2: disregarding the fact that this woman was like, and we

999
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 2: got harassed for not endorsing anybody, like, you know, like

1000
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 2: this isn't right either, like, you know, and maybe she

1001
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 2: could have maybe it was crocodile too, because you know,

1002
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:07,400
Speaker 2: they love to do the like you know, whenever someone's hurting,

1003
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:10,319
Speaker 2: crying and shit, the next move has to be they

1004
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 2: don't really have real feelings. It's all fake to get

1005
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:17,240
Speaker 2: us to not pay attention to dismiss right, because of course,

1006
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:19,239
Speaker 2: if you're you know, if they're standing in a way

1007
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:21,840
Speaker 2: of something, they don't have feelings, right, And so she,

1008
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 2: you know, she kind of does go like, I don't

1009
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 2: know if it was real feelings or not. I don't

1010
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 2: know if she just wanted to shut down an interview

1011
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:29,759
Speaker 2: or if she really just got so overwhelmed with this

1012
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 2: idea these people are kind of harassing them or whatever.

1013
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 2: And she was because she was like, you know, it's

1014
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 2: women of color, you know, we're getting harassed, blah blah blah.

1015
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 2: And the woman interview and was like, well, what about

1016
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 2: women of color that support Bernie in what is that?

1017
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 2: And it's like that's one of the problems I have

1018
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 2: with the Bernie people, is that no one said you

1019
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 2: don't exist, right, No one even said your opinion was abalid.

1020
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 2: What we're saying is you don't People aren't lining up

1021
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:57,720
Speaker 2: to go find you and harass you over this. People

1022
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 2: may even strongly disagree with you, But that's different than

1023
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 2: let me get your private phone number and text you threats.

1024
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:07,360
Speaker 2: Like it's different, an and and it's like, I like,

1025
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 2: that does need to be appreciated. So she's you know,

1026
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:13,759
Speaker 2: and so the woman basically stopped the interview. Anyway, I

1027
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:17,359
Speaker 2: listened to that. It was a great episode. And then uh,

1028
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:20,719
Speaker 2: I saw yesterday that the vast majority of that union,

1029
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 2: or supposedly the majority of that union, voted for Bernie Sanders.

1030
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:28,319
Speaker 2: And I actually think that's inspiring because essentially what you're

1031
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 2: saying is people that have better health care than even

1032
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 2: Medicare for All were like, i'm'a put that to the

1033
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 2: side and not think particularly just about myself, but think

1034
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 2: about other people in society, whether it's friends, whether it's whatever,

1035
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:46,719
Speaker 2: like just I, people that don't have health insurance at all,

1036
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:50,799
Speaker 2: people that got, you know, these these huge premiums and deductibles,

1037
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 2: people that are being bankrupted by this system. No, I

1038
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 2: I sure, I'm giving up what is working for me

1039
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 2: in a way that makes life much better for me,

1040
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:05,319
Speaker 2: and that, to me is the true essence of what

1041
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 2: you would hope for from democracy. And if somebody like

1042
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:11,360
Speaker 2: Bernie Sanders can inspire you to make that choice, I

1043
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 2: think that's admirable. You know. So I was actually that

1044
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:16,799
Speaker 2: was the story I was following that. I was kind

1045
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 2: of like intrigued to see what the outcome was gonna be.

1046
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:22,360
Speaker 2: And it looks like he did win those votes, and like, dog,

1047
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 2: that's a hell of a fucking accomplishment.

1048
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, because that right there will be really hard for

1049
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:29,760
Speaker 5: people to make that choice.

1050
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:31,879
Speaker 4: Whatever the fucking work for you? For your people are

1051
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 4: harassing me? Why?

1052
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:36,440
Speaker 2: Right? So in the chat says it doesn't say threats work, Well,

1053
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 2: I mean they didn't. They were threatening the top of

1054
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:42,720
Speaker 2: the union. If you know how unions work, there's more

1055
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:45,839
Speaker 2: people in the union than the people at the top.

1056
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:48,840
Speaker 2: So unless they were threatening every single person in the

1057
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 2: fucking union, that's kind of a point. The other thing, too,

1058
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:55,880
Speaker 2: is I mean, go listen to the episode, you can

1059
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 2: hear it for yourself. It sounded like the union was

1060
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:01,319
Speaker 2: trying to silence people that did just want to vote

1061
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 2: for Bernie that were part of the union, and I

1062
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 2: know union gets off onion unity. You know, that's supposed

1063
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 2: to be a thing you're noted front, but there was

1064
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 2: just kind of like, you shut the fuck up if

1065
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 2: you're gonna bring up Bernie. And when they call that

1066
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 2: dude back, he sounds scared of shit. So what's the

1067
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 2: threat them or the people that threaten them from the

1068
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:22,439
Speaker 2: Bernie camp? Like it sounds to me like nobody should

1069
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:25,360
Speaker 2: be threatening anybody, correct, you know, whether it's people threatening

1070
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:28,240
Speaker 2: your job, which would have a lot more fucking leverage,

1071
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 2: I think, but you know, just in general, to me,

1072
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 2: it was kind of an inspiring story about the complicated

1073
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 2: ass mess that is this fucking primary, and that is,

1074
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 2: you know, essentially people are voting. People aren't like there's

1075
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:49,280
Speaker 2: a reason that he's getting the majority of these votes,

1076
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:51,880
Speaker 2: you know, and I think people have to come to

1077
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:55,759
Speaker 2: fucking really like I guess people are gonna do that

1078
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:57,400
Speaker 2: kicking and streaming thing. It's just basically gonna be the

1079
00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 2: opposite of twenty sixth. It's gonna be every body that

1080
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 2: was like I'm for Hillary Clinton, Fuck Bernie, and then

1081
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:09,360
Speaker 2: all the people that's like, fuck Hillary, I'm for Bernie,

1082
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 2: and then they spent the whole rest of the fucking

1083
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 2: primary being like, and I'm never coming around fucking fuck

1084
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 2: her Fell, but I'd rather not vote and all that shit.

1085
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:20,239
Speaker 2: We're just gonna see people basically flip because that's just

1086
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 2: how people are. Like. It's not a it's not necessarily

1087
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:27,000
Speaker 2: a it wasn't a principal stance at twenty sixteen. It

1088
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:30,799
Speaker 2: was I feel like my person's winning. But that to me,

1089
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 2: I meant what I said I said a million times

1090
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:35,800
Speaker 2: before we get there. But yeah, whoever wins the primary,

1091
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:37,880
Speaker 2: got my vote already done. Voted for Elizab Warrence. So

1092
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:40,800
Speaker 2: this ain't even a like, hey, guys, go out and

1093
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 2: vote for Bernie endorsing. This is just me being like

1094
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 2: that that story is fucking inspiring because I I don't

1095
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 2: believe people.

1096
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:51,879
Speaker 3: Do things like that, like I don't.

1097
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 2: If you've seen humanity, people typically feel like if I

1098
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 2: have the leverage in that leg up, I don't give right.

1099
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:01,360
Speaker 2: So the same to see a group of people that

1100
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 2: literally are going to be hurt essentially, it pu uh

1101
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:10,319
Speaker 2: individually and specifically they will be hurt themselves. That one

1102
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:13,240
Speaker 2: person putting that vote out there to see those people

1103
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:15,880
Speaker 2: be like, for the greater good, I would support this candidate.

1104
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:18,719
Speaker 2: I think that means something, and I think, uh, you

1105
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 2: be a food to ignore that shit. And that's not

1106
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 2: just all from intimidation and all that stuff, even though

1107
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 2: its fans fucking suck. So anyway, that was an interesting story. Also,

1108
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:32,359
Speaker 2: Bloomberg lost ground. I said it yesterday on the Feedback show.

1109
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 2: But I told you, motherfucker was in that mofucker got in,

1110
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:41,520
Speaker 2: had a debate stage of Guyata was not prepared.

1111
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:44,759
Speaker 5: He was not prepared. I don't know what the fuck

1112
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 5: he thought was gonna happen in there. But you can't

1113
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:49,320
Speaker 5: come in there, tell my money, make him dance, and

1114
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 5: it was gonna be all good Moneyga.

1115
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:55,160
Speaker 2: My man got Piatta, and I'm glad for it, you know.

1116
00:55:56,239 --> 00:56:02,279
Speaker 2: So that's a good news us. As they say, I

1117
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 2: I can't believe they changed the rules to get them

1118
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:05,879
Speaker 2: in there. I'm like, you, motherfuckers will be thanking them

1119
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:08,360
Speaker 2: for changing the rules. You're gonna thank them for this

1120
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:11,239
Speaker 2: shit because he's exactly who you want to be in

1121
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:13,760
Speaker 2: the room. Imagine if you because the people that always

1122
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:17,320
Speaker 2: do this out of Bernie fans, there's such paranoid, fucking

1123
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 2: ridiculous you know, victims while also being the bullies at

1124
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:24,239
Speaker 2: the same time. All that shit, right, But they were

1125
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:26,799
Speaker 2: all like they changing the ruins they gonna get in

1126
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:29,400
Speaker 2: the room. Why are you letting a billionaire on the stage?

1127
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:32,319
Speaker 2: Just what's real with the DNC? And I was thinking, like, so,

1128
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:36,480
Speaker 2: your worst nightmare is the man who you claim has

1129
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 2: ranted and raved against the billionaires and millionaires and shit

1130
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:44,920
Speaker 2: all his fucking career. Your worst nightmare is him being

1131
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 2: on stage with one where he can roast them infinitely, Like,

1132
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:51,759
Speaker 2: wouldn't that be what the fuck you would want? And uh,

1133
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 2: I guess maybe the fear was confirmed in a different way,

1134
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:56,960
Speaker 2: which is that Elizabeth Warren is the one who had

1135
00:56:57,000 --> 00:56:58,439
Speaker 2: to smoke in the bars. Yeah.

1136
00:56:58,480 --> 00:56:59,920
Speaker 4: She was like, bitch, I ain't got nothing to low.

1137
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:02,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, So maybe that's how it was a better Like

1138
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 2: maybe they maybe they felt Bernie had a poor showing

1139
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:09,719
Speaker 2: compared to her, But I was like, that's what.

1140
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 3: I would want, you know what I mean.

1141
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:15,239
Speaker 2: He's like, yes, put this person on stage. Let this

1142
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 2: motherfucker get roasted. He don't even have the charisma of

1143
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 2: Trump to even do the I'm picking the y'all. I'm

1144
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 2: mocking y'all. Shit, he just got roasted and it was great.

1145
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:25,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, Alex ambo I said, all that money, you didn't

1146
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:28,200
Speaker 4: invest any in a debate trainer.

1147
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:31,800
Speaker 2: They said they did it. They said his people invested

1148
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:34,400
Speaker 2: money and they did debate training. They said he had

1149
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 2: people do the like, you know, the whole thing. His

1150
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 2: staffords was doing the my position.

1151
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 4: Shit, I ready, what what did he think was gonna happen?

1152
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 4: He thought they wasn't gonna bring this shit up.

1153
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:46,840
Speaker 2: Money. Look, when you got that much money, I guess

1154
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:49,919
Speaker 2: you'd just be like fuck it, Like, maybe it don't work.

1155
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 4: Explain yourself, explain nigga explain.

1156
00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:58,400
Speaker 2: I was watching the NBA League past and he has

1157
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:03,640
Speaker 2: an ad for for Utah. Man, it's so funny because

1158
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 2: we've seen nothing but his ads down here in the

1159
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 2: South and North Carolina, right, So his ad for Utah

1160
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:10,720
Speaker 2: made me laugh last night because it was an ad

1161
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 2: of nothing but white people, because I guess they ain't

1162
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:15,120
Speaker 2: got no black people in Utah them to vote, like

1163
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:17,240
Speaker 2: I get like, unless they go throw like a black

1164
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:20,160
Speaker 2: person making an NBA three pointer. There was really nothing

1165
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:23,040
Speaker 2: because nothing, it was nothing that could really appeal to

1166
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 2: the black voters.

1167
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:25,560
Speaker 5: I forgot we do when you do that, you do

1168
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:27,840
Speaker 5: get that local commercials there right right?

1169
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 3: It was nothing with white people.

1170
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:33,360
Speaker 2: It was crazy, Uh tracers in Alabama? But Alabama? Is

1171
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:34,920
Speaker 2: that all white people in the ad or do y'all

1172
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:37,040
Speaker 2: have some black people in it? Because the ones he

1173
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:41,600
Speaker 2: ran in North Carolina was all black. It's like, not okay,

1174
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 2: black ads, Yeah, Utah was white as. I didn't know

1175
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:48,400
Speaker 2: this man had white ads. The people doing his ads

1176
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:51,200
Speaker 2: are He really should have went on stage, put a

1177
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:54,000
Speaker 2: screen monitor up of his ads playing on loop and

1178
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:55,800
Speaker 2: then walked off the stage and just let that beat

1179
00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:58,760
Speaker 2: him for the debate, because that was a better, more

1180
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 2: effective way to get his point of what the fuck happened.

1181
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 2: Twitter also suspended seventy pro Bloomberg accounts citing platform manipulation.

1182
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:11,680
Speaker 2: Supposedly he pays people to tweet form tweet positive things

1183
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:18,120
Speaker 2: about them yep, which is wild. He also because e

1184
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:23,160
Speaker 2: lizabe Warren say he needed to release women from those NDAs.

1185
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:28,680
Speaker 2: If he uh says that those women, uh you know

1186
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:30,720
Speaker 2: that he didn't do anything in those cases, She's like,

1187
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:33,320
Speaker 2: while you got NDAs with women that claim sexual harassment.

1188
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:39,120
Speaker 2: So he released some women three of them specifically from

1189
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:43,520
Speaker 2: his NDAs. Supposedly there are more than three, but there

1190
00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 2: are three that he I mean more than three that

1191
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:47,800
Speaker 2: signed them, but there are.

1192
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:52,920
Speaker 5: Three that he uh released. What do you mean believes? Oh,

1193
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:55,600
Speaker 5: you can talk without any form of the talk.

1194
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:55,959
Speaker 2: To the media.

1195
00:59:56,200 --> 00:59:56,360
Speaker 4: Though.

1196
00:59:56,600 --> 00:59:58,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. Some people was like that, I mean, he's paying

1197
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:01,640
Speaker 2: them off for what whatever. I'm like, maybe those are

1198
01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:04,560
Speaker 2: the ones that he didn't really do shit. I don't know.

1199
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:11,520
Speaker 2: Uh anyway, we'll see, but yeah, Liz Warren was like,

1200
01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:14,680
Speaker 2: I'll draw up the fucking documents for you and let

1201
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:16,480
Speaker 2: you text it and sign it.

1202
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:18,520
Speaker 3: Get these women out of these nbas if you ain't

1203
01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:18,960
Speaker 3: do nothing.

1204
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:23,400
Speaker 2: Wrong, Like my god, a savage is worn.

1205
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 4: Come on.

1206
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:26,960
Speaker 2: She was so good at the bait y'all. Y'all. Really

1207
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:30,440
Speaker 2: they should show debate replay on like NBA TV.

1208
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:34,400
Speaker 4: No, she's out there. She was like, got I'm gonna

1209
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:34,840
Speaker 4: kill you.

1210
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:39,840
Speaker 2: All right, Let's see what else we got here, guys.

1211
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:43,320
Speaker 2: Oh man, you guys know, real ID is coming up.

1212
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:47,720
Speaker 2: The deadline is coming soon. Without a special real ID

1213
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:51,040
Speaker 2: driver's lights is a car. Airline passengers will be required

1214
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:54,640
Speaker 2: to present a passport, military ID, or Global Entry card

1215
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:58,480
Speaker 2: to pass through security, even for domestic flights starting in October.

1216
01:00:58,320 --> 01:00:59,480
Speaker 4: I got two of the three.

1217
01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:02,720
Speaker 2: Missitery, you got your real I D done yet?

1218
01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:04,680
Speaker 4: No, I don't have I'm not getting a real li D.

1219
01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:05,560
Speaker 4: I don't have real li D.

1220
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:06,000
Speaker 2: I have a.

1221
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:09,440
Speaker 4: Passport and I have a Global That's enough. I shouldn't

1222
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:10,920
Speaker 4: have to fend them on a real I D. I

1223
01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:11,720
Speaker 4: don't think it's required.

1224
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:15,320
Speaker 2: In North Carolina, the nation's airports are warning of chaos

1225
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:18,840
Speaker 2: for passengers if the White House doesn't postpone the looming

1226
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:22,320
Speaker 2: real ID deadline. The law requires airline passengers to present

1227
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:25,920
Speaker 2: a real ID compliant with driver's license or id CAR

1228
01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:29,960
Speaker 2: at Transportation Security Administration point checkpoints in the airports as

1229
01:01:30,040 --> 01:01:33,880
Speaker 2: of October first. Those licenses require more proof of identification

1230
01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:36,320
Speaker 2: than regular licenses, are generally marked with a star on

1231
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:39,919
Speaker 2: the top. But while states have already issued ninety five

1232
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:43,520
Speaker 2: million real IDs, that represents just about thirty four percent

1233
01:01:43,640 --> 01:01:46,520
Speaker 2: of the total, leaving two thirds of the country with

1234
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:48,800
Speaker 2: about seven months to get them if they help to

1235
01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:51,800
Speaker 2: use the license to board a plane. I can't even

1236
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:54,600
Speaker 2: believe a third of the country has gotten them without

1237
01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:55,080
Speaker 2: a real.

1238
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:56,960
Speaker 4: ID because it varies from state to state.

1239
01:01:57,040 --> 01:01:59,520
Speaker 5: Like I said, some states actually have their own rules

1240
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:01,840
Speaker 5: tried to like they have a deadline prior to this.

1241
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:05,600
Speaker 5: So for some states they're actually pushing and forcing everybody.

1242
01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:07,640
Speaker 5: And when they're time for renewal, they were like, you

1243
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 5: got to get a renewal and this is your renewal

1244
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:11,200
Speaker 5: and people are like, the fuck is this now?

1245
01:02:11,240 --> 01:02:12,960
Speaker 4: I got to go do all this work.

1246
01:02:13,080 --> 01:02:14,960
Speaker 5: Like I said, I do not think it's required here

1247
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:17,080
Speaker 5: in North Carolina because I haven't got anything about or

1248
01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:19,680
Speaker 5: real id it might be optional. I don't know, but

1249
01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:22,160
Speaker 5: like I said, I have a passport and I have

1250
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:24,440
Speaker 5: a global entry, so I'm not getting it unless I

1251
01:02:24,520 --> 01:02:24,760
Speaker 5: have to.

1252
01:02:25,240 --> 01:02:28,840
Speaker 2: Okay, without a real idea, airline pastors were required, oh,

1253
01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:33,040
Speaker 2: I said that the and that's even on domestic flights.

1254
01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:37,440
Speaker 2: Airport Council International North America, which represents the nation's airports,

1255
01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:40,800
Speaker 2: warn that thousands of passengers could be denied boarding or

1256
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:42,200
Speaker 2: less and less stranded.

1257
01:02:44,080 --> 01:02:46,600
Speaker 5: Uh, you get to a destination the day before and

1258
01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:48,400
Speaker 5: then the day after the pig they like, oh you

1259
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:49,959
Speaker 5: can't go yep.

1260
01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:54,600
Speaker 2: Aci NA president and CEO Kevin Burke told NBC News

1261
01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:56,800
Speaker 2: that this is a crisis waiting to happen.

1262
01:02:57,720 --> 01:02:59,960
Speaker 3: Well, that's kind of what Trump and his administration does.

1263
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:03,160
Speaker 4: Actually started before him, but yes, this is what they do.

1264
01:03:03,560 --> 01:03:06,840
Speaker 2: If the government what real I started start on George Bush,

1265
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:11,320
Speaker 2: and uh, it's not gonna get better if the government

1266
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:14,400
Speaker 2: doesn't make a defenditive So it started under George Bush

1267
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:17,520
Speaker 2: and it's ending under Trump, Damn, damn motherfucking tag if

1268
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:20,720
Speaker 2: they ain't distocked it to malone of just yeah, because

1269
01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:22,640
Speaker 2: this is a president.

1270
01:03:22,560 --> 01:03:24,840
Speaker 5: At the fucking after goddamn nine to eleven. A lot

1271
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:27,320
Speaker 5: of people's like, letting George Bush just do whatever the

1272
01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:28,920
Speaker 5: fuck you want to do. And this is the end

1273
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:29,720
Speaker 5: result of that.

1274
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:32,760
Speaker 2: If the government doesn't make a definitive statement now that

1275
01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:35,080
Speaker 2: they're going to extend this, then we're going to have

1276
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:37,200
Speaker 2: a real crisis on our hand. For first, they don't

1277
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:39,800
Speaker 2: give a fuck. Congress passed the real ID Law after

1278
01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:42,520
Speaker 2: the terrorist attacks September eleven, twenty two thousand and one,

1279
01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:45,360
Speaker 2: to create a single, robust and national standard for all

1280
01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:48,600
Speaker 2: states and territories across the country. Motor vehicle officers have

1281
01:03:48,680 --> 01:03:50,960
Speaker 2: been flooded with people trying to upgrade the real IDs.

1282
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:54,440
Speaker 2: Everyone's required to present four pieces of identification, including a

1283
01:03:54,520 --> 01:03:58,160
Speaker 2: passport or birth certificate for a Social Security card or

1284
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:01,160
Speaker 2: tax return, and two documents that provide proof of residents

1285
01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:03,840
Speaker 2: a mortgage and a rental receipt, and a utility bill.

1286
01:04:04,200 --> 01:04:16,200
Speaker 4: What, oh my god, that's ridiculous. Wow, I didn't know

1287
01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:17,600
Speaker 4: y'all do all that bullshit.

1288
01:04:19,040 --> 01:04:21,720
Speaker 2: To handle the rush, state motor vehicle officers have staffed

1289
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Speaker 2: up and allow people to make appointments to present their

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Speaker 2: documents for review, but many states say they're overwhelmed and

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01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:29,640
Speaker 2: can't keep up. Sue full to In, chief administrator of

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Speaker 2: the New Jersey Motor Vehicle Commission, said demand outstrips the

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Speaker 2: number of available real idea appointments. Oklahoma officials say only

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Speaker 2: a handfull of DMV offices will begin issuing real IDs

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Speaker 2: on April thirtieth. The rest of the state will follow

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Speaker 2: over the summer. Oregon authorities say it will take until

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Speaker 2: July before they're able to issue the first new ideas.

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Speaker 2: If we work twenty four to seven, we'd have to

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Speaker 2: do seven a minute to get a number of licenses

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Speaker 2: out by October. But there's no way we could do

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Speaker 2: seven a minute, said Tom Fuller. Oregon and Washington State

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Speaker 2: are now urging residents to get a passport card or book,

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01:05:05,320 --> 01:05:09,200
Speaker 2: saying the process will be far quicker, which is still

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01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:10,200
Speaker 2: a fucking fee.

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01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:12,800
Speaker 4: It's a fee. It's a fucking feet task to that.

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01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:15,960
Speaker 4: It's not cheap to get your passport.

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01:05:16,040 --> 01:05:17,800
Speaker 2: And I have a past pull and I have the

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01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:19,960
Speaker 2: Nikes go ahead and.

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Speaker 5: Nikes, and I have the Global ID, which is something

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01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:25,040
Speaker 5: completely that's that's something completely separate.

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Speaker 3: Can you stop balling on these broke people?

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01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:28,760
Speaker 2: Can we get it?

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Speaker 3: You got a passport and the broke in Global D.

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01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:33,120
Speaker 3: How many times you're gonna tell us?

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Speaker 2: Damn we get it over here, world travelers. It's just frustrating.

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Speaker 5: No, no, no, and and and I think because I

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Speaker 5: put this, because you have a passport in the Global

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Speaker 5: I D.

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01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:47,000
Speaker 2: You get it. You understand, I understand.

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01:05:47,120 --> 01:05:51,520
Speaker 4: Car you alone, you you leave me alone.

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01:05:51,240 --> 01:05:55,080
Speaker 2: Balling these broke bitches. We get it. Caring you're the best,

1322
01:05:55,360 --> 01:05:57,880
Speaker 2: all right. Well, you know some people gotta go to

1323
01:05:57,960 --> 01:05:59,840
Speaker 2: those driver's licens to get real I D.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I mean, I mean, since we're gonna I mean,

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01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:05,200
Speaker 5: since we talking about I'm not bragging.

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01:06:05,240 --> 01:06:07,320
Speaker 4: I mean I can brag about that. That's something I know,

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01:06:07,560 --> 01:06:08,200
Speaker 4: but we don't.

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01:06:08,080 --> 01:06:09,520
Speaker 2: Need you to brag about it. We get it.

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01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:11,960
Speaker 3: That we're talking about serious issues for other people.

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01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:15,520
Speaker 4: But if you would let me finish my points, sir,

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01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:19,960
Speaker 4: you have to have documents for this other shit, this

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01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:21,360
Speaker 4: quote unquote alternative.

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01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:22,040
Speaker 2: That's my thing.

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01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:25,720
Speaker 4: You have to have like all these extra documentations, which

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01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:26,720
Speaker 4: are fees.

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01:06:28,520 --> 01:06:30,680
Speaker 5: That you could afford, because you already get paid the

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01:06:30,720 --> 01:06:33,640
Speaker 5: fees for your pass for everybody can't afford it.

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Speaker 4: And that's the point.

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01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:39,600
Speaker 2: I totally understand, Bernie, I totally understand. You got it, Okay,

1340
01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:42,400
Speaker 2: you in the summer cottage? Cool?

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01:06:43,600 --> 01:06:47,120
Speaker 4: Are you listen here? Elizabeth Warren, get out of here.

1342
01:06:47,320 --> 01:06:49,360
Speaker 2: I was trying to make this about the people, and

1343
01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:51,560
Speaker 2: this is turned into something totally different.

1344
01:06:52,440 --> 01:06:53,480
Speaker 3: It's all about.

1345
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:57,120
Speaker 2: Out for Karen's amazing passport and everything else.

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01:06:57,440 --> 01:07:00,280
Speaker 4: You get out of here, you know you're not gonna

1347
01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:04,400
Speaker 4: beat me like a pinatta all a. What was saying

1348
01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:08,680
Speaker 4: is that the whole thing is some bullshit. It's all bullshit.

1349
01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:11,840
Speaker 4: Ain't nobody gonna be safer. You're gonna clog up the airport.

1350
01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:14,560
Speaker 4: It's gonna be nothing but problems, that goddamn chaos.

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01:07:16,040 --> 01:07:19,320
Speaker 2: Uh eric Aabadu fifty dollars by do Pissy Premium Incense

1352
01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:20,920
Speaker 2: sells out in nineteen minutes.

1353
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Speaker 4: Yes, sir, that's sounds about right.

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01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:27,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, you knew it was. Uh, thank you for making

1355
01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:30,760
Speaker 2: our debut, but diessee sell out in a matter of

1356
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:33,800
Speaker 2: nineteen minutes. She said in the Instagram video, I can't

1357
01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:37,440
Speaker 2: believe they named it by Dissie because if y'all don't remember,

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01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:40,200
Speaker 2: Bernie Mack coined that phrase, I believe in How to

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01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:44,960
Speaker 2: Be a Player or one of them movies. Well he said, uh,

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Speaker 2: by dissie. He said it something like but dissie in here.

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01:07:48,720 --> 01:07:50,680
Speaker 2: I think that was Bernie Mack, and he was like,

1362
01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:54,320
Speaker 2: that's just for booty, dick and pussy. It's trying to

1363
01:07:54,400 --> 01:07:56,840
Speaker 2: say like it was supposed to not be smelling good.

1364
01:07:56,880 --> 01:07:59,400
Speaker 2: It's supposed to be a stinking smell. But they really

1365
01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:04,520
Speaker 2: named it by I'm kind of surprised that that, But

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01:08:04,680 --> 01:08:06,760
Speaker 2: I guess if you take it, you say it's being

1367
01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:09,480
Speaker 2: like by dude pussy. I mean, motherfucker's gonna get it.

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01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:13,760
Speaker 2: So I mean that tells you that videos.

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01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:16,439
Speaker 4: And tiktoks and everything, when people start getting their candles, well.

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01:08:16,320 --> 01:08:17,880
Speaker 2: We're gonna know when people get it, they're gonna be

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01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:20,120
Speaker 2: coming to work in motherfucking Corduroy a vast nose T

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01:08:20,280 --> 01:08:25,280
Speaker 2: shirt on football paths and fucking uh baseball pants.

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01:08:25,439 --> 01:08:26,920
Speaker 4: I'm not even gonna be mad at them.

1374
01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:28,360
Speaker 2: Rainbow tennis shoes and ship.

1375
01:08:28,400 --> 01:08:31,160
Speaker 3: We're gonna be like, oh man, you can okay, okay,

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01:08:31,320 --> 01:08:31,760
Speaker 3: I'll see you.

1377
01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:33,479
Speaker 2: Glad to see it. Yep.

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01:08:34,120 --> 01:08:36,599
Speaker 3: Oh, you know joined the Nation of Islam. Okay, cool?

1379
01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:37,160
Speaker 2: Cool? Cool?

1380
01:08:37,200 --> 01:08:38,479
Speaker 3: I know so your candle ones.

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01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:41,840
Speaker 2: Came in the mail. Okay, cool, glad you got it. Oh,

1382
01:08:42,040 --> 01:08:46,800
Speaker 2: let's see what else you can talk about. Uh, oh,

1383
01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:51,080
Speaker 2: this article is wild. Uh. She wanted to have a

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01:08:51,240 --> 01:08:55,400
Speaker 2: quote unquote free birth, which I believe is when you

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01:08:55,479 --> 01:08:58,040
Speaker 2: don't have any doctors or being involved, just have a

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01:08:58,160 --> 01:08:58,800
Speaker 2: natural birth.

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Speaker 4: Oh not even what you might call it a midwife.

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01:09:01,479 --> 01:09:03,719
Speaker 2: I don't know if you have doulas and all that stuff,

1389
01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:07,120
Speaker 2: but uh, we'll probably.

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01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:07,880
Speaker 3: Find that out in the article.

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01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:08,280
Speaker 4: Okay.

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01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:11,679
Speaker 2: Uh. She wanted a quote unquote free birth with no doctors.

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01:09:11,800 --> 01:09:20,920
Speaker 2: Online groups convinced her it would be okay, Yeah, that

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01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:23,760
Speaker 2: don't sound safe. Well, you know a lot of these

1395
01:09:23,920 --> 01:09:27,840
Speaker 2: online groups via Facebook and shit like this, these communities

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01:09:29,520 --> 01:09:33,920
Speaker 2: sometimes they have like a heavy anti science, anti doctor

1397
01:09:35,080 --> 01:09:38,240
Speaker 2: lean and h when you talk about things like the

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01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:46,280
Speaker 2: what do you call that vaccination anti vaccination movement. Like

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01:09:46,720 --> 01:09:49,439
Speaker 2: that's where stuff like this can flourish because it's a

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01:09:49,479 --> 01:09:52,360
Speaker 2: bunch of like minded people feeding in the folks's biases,

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01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:55,960
Speaker 2: you know, giving you know, bias, nations and shit like that,

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01:09:56,080 --> 01:09:58,680
Speaker 2: and man like, yeah, this is terrible, don't do this,

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01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:01,639
Speaker 2: don't trust them, blah blah, and you know, enough people

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01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:05,360
Speaker 2: echoing something over and over that's enough for people to

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01:10:05,439 --> 01:10:07,280
Speaker 2: be like, Okay, yeah, this is the truth now.

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01:10:07,560 --> 01:10:09,479
Speaker 4: Right, Because like I said, I know, you've probably gonna

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Speaker 4: win an article.

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01:10:10,040 --> 01:10:13,920
Speaker 5: But even people would like they have like midwives, the

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01:10:14,040 --> 01:10:15,960
Speaker 5: midwives are actually there for a reason, and if it's

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01:10:15,960 --> 01:10:17,400
Speaker 5: something they can't handle, a lot of them be like,

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01:10:17,400 --> 01:10:19,519
Speaker 5: oh yeah, let's let's let's go to the hospital, like

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01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:23,000
Speaker 5: you need somebody there with some form of expertise in this.

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01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:26,479
Speaker 2: And because at the end of the day of Dulah

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01:10:26,600 --> 01:10:29,000
Speaker 2: or midwife whatever, they still care about that life of

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01:10:29,080 --> 01:10:31,720
Speaker 2: that child coming into this world. Like correct, It's not

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01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:35,000
Speaker 2: I'm doing this to spite everybody is. I'm doing this

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01:10:35,560 --> 01:10:39,040
Speaker 2: as assisting right to get it this whatever it takes

1418
01:10:39,080 --> 01:10:41,160
Speaker 2: to get this life into the world healthy and safe.

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01:10:41,680 --> 01:10:44,519
Speaker 2: That's my job, not you know, to stick it to

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01:10:44,600 --> 01:10:49,120
Speaker 2: some type of agenda. By February twenty nineteen, Judas had

1421
01:10:49,200 --> 01:10:52,080
Speaker 2: been become unbearably anxious. The twenty eight year old Pacific

1422
01:10:52,160 --> 01:10:55,400
Speaker 2: Coast Natives do date had come and gone just two

1423
01:10:55,479 --> 01:11:00,559
Speaker 2: days shot of forty five weeks pregnant. Whoo, her belly

1424
01:11:00,680 --> 01:11:02,800
Speaker 2: was stretched so far that it shined. Her body was

1425
01:11:02,840 --> 01:11:05,519
Speaker 2: swollen nearly everything from her toes or hair ache. For

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01:11:05,640 --> 01:11:07,880
Speaker 2: women who have gone into labor. By forty two weeks,

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01:11:08,080 --> 01:11:11,439
Speaker 2: just about every medical and birth professional recommends induction. Right

1428
01:11:11,960 --> 01:11:14,000
Speaker 2: who haven't gone into labor, I'm sorry, a jump start

1429
01:11:14,160 --> 01:11:17,719
Speaker 2: to labor from medicines that ripen the cervix or contract

1430
01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:20,799
Speaker 2: the uterus. But Judith, an artist and freethinker who believes

1431
01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:22,800
Speaker 2: in all that hippie jazz, had a different kind of

1432
01:11:22,840 --> 01:11:25,960
Speaker 2: birth plan, one that dismiss medical recommendations, that relied on

1433
01:11:26,120 --> 01:11:28,840
Speaker 2: nature and intuition, that rejected the sterile.

1434
01:11:28,600 --> 01:11:31,720
Speaker 3: Hospital for a warm pool in her own home, and

1435
01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:34,200
Speaker 3: that avoided doctors and midwives instead.

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01:11:34,680 --> 01:11:35,880
Speaker 4: Oh, she avoided both.

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01:11:36,240 --> 01:11:39,040
Speaker 2: Instead, Judath wanted to be with her only, her husband

1438
01:11:39,080 --> 01:11:41,679
Speaker 2: and her closest friend, a plan known as free birth

1439
01:11:41,800 --> 01:11:44,800
Speaker 2: or unassisted birth by the tiny subcultural women who practice it.

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01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:48,599
Speaker 2: Judah couldn't tell many people about that plan. Her husband

1441
01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:51,240
Speaker 2: was supportive, but most of her other family and friends

1442
01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:54,479
Speaker 2: would understandably worry. Instead. Judith, who asked that her full

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01:11:54,560 --> 01:11:57,519
Speaker 2: name not be published, spent the last several months of

1444
01:11:57,560 --> 01:12:01,080
Speaker 2: her pregnancy immersed in online spaces where women celebrated her

1445
01:12:01,120 --> 01:12:05,760
Speaker 2: decision and offer support and tips. Private Facebook groups, Instagram accounts, podcasts,

1446
01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:08,400
Speaker 2: and online courses had taught you to everything she thought

1447
01:12:08,479 --> 01:12:10,800
Speaker 2: she needed to know about how her baby would come

1448
01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:11,400
Speaker 2: into the world.

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01:12:13,120 --> 01:12:14,439
Speaker 4: It's so much that could go.

1450
01:12:16,320 --> 01:12:18,320
Speaker 5: From what I hear and I've never had a child.

1451
01:12:18,439 --> 01:12:21,040
Speaker 5: For a lot of women, they said, having a child

1452
01:12:21,200 --> 01:12:23,599
Speaker 5: is the closest you can get to death without dying.

1453
01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:26,439
Speaker 5: Like it actually takes a lot, and it takes a

1454
01:12:26,520 --> 01:12:29,360
Speaker 5: lot out of your body, and it's one of those

1455
01:12:29,439 --> 01:12:32,839
Speaker 5: things where somebody needs to be there that has experienced

1456
01:12:32,840 --> 01:12:34,320
Speaker 5: particularly I don't know if this is a first child

1457
01:12:34,400 --> 01:12:37,120
Speaker 5: or whatnot, but somebody you need something of an expert there.

1458
01:12:38,080 --> 01:12:40,439
Speaker 5: And the thing is, all types of shit can go wrong,

1459
01:12:40,520 --> 01:12:43,479
Speaker 5: thembilical cork and run around the child's neck. Like it's

1460
01:12:43,560 --> 01:12:45,920
Speaker 5: like you talking about your husband, who is not a doctor,

1461
01:12:46,040 --> 01:12:48,080
Speaker 5: not a professional, and a friend it's not a doctor,

1462
01:12:48,160 --> 01:12:51,759
Speaker 5: not a professional like and then once children are born.

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01:12:51,640 --> 01:12:55,280
Speaker 4: Test iran all types of shit just done once.

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01:12:55,160 --> 01:12:57,240
Speaker 5: The child is born, and you actually two people that

1465
01:12:57,320 --> 01:13:00,960
Speaker 5: don't know shit about birth to to actually help you.

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01:13:01,360 --> 01:13:03,720
Speaker 4: That doesn't sound safe at all. This is like a

1467
01:13:03,800 --> 01:13:04,960
Speaker 4: disaster waiting to happen.

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01:13:05,520 --> 01:13:08,200
Speaker 2: There were doubts sprouted from seeds planned by real life

1469
01:13:08,240 --> 01:13:10,840
Speaker 2: friends who knew about her plan and doctors whom Judith

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01:13:11,160 --> 01:13:14,400
Speaker 2: had signed up to see for state insurance benefits. But

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01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:17,599
Speaker 2: Judith had fortified herself against the creeping unease with stories

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01:13:17,680 --> 01:13:20,400
Speaker 2: she read online from free birthing mothers and real time

1473
01:13:20,439 --> 01:13:23,280
Speaker 2: support she received on Facebook, with a little help from

1474
01:13:23,320 --> 01:13:28,400
Speaker 2: algorithms and nudged increasingly questionable information and sources her way

1475
01:13:29,439 --> 01:13:32,360
Speaker 2: that nudge this stuff. Yeah, because Facebook. You know, if

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01:13:32,400 --> 01:13:35,880
Speaker 2: you're into some shit, Facebook gonna start sending you things

1477
01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:38,800
Speaker 2: that confirm that thing. We know this. That's why if

1478
01:13:38,800 --> 01:13:40,920
Speaker 2: you talk about politics, all of a sudden you go

1479
01:13:41,040 --> 01:13:44,760
Speaker 2: look on the front page Facebook, everybody's talking about politics. No,

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01:13:44,840 --> 01:13:47,360
Speaker 2: Facebook is using an algorithm to select from your friends

1481
01:13:47,840 --> 01:13:50,280
Speaker 2: and say, these are the one articles they're sharing that

1482
01:13:50,360 --> 01:13:52,640
Speaker 2: are about the topics that you will click on, And

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01:13:52,960 --> 01:13:56,320
Speaker 2: I can imagine anything obscure. Facebook can do that too,

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01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:00,920
Speaker 2: So Yeah. With a little help from the Judas had

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01:14:00,960 --> 01:14:06,439
Speaker 2: become part of the internet's most extreme pregnancy communities. Any

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01:14:06,520 --> 01:14:09,439
Speaker 2: lingering fears were wiped away the moment. Judas birth started

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01:14:09,479 --> 01:14:12,280
Speaker 2: a month late, but on its own. Juduth was elated

1488
01:14:12,400 --> 01:14:14,200
Speaker 2: she would get to have her baby at home after all.

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01:14:14,320 --> 01:14:17,040
Speaker 2: She told her Facebook groups the good news that she

1490
01:14:17,080 --> 01:14:19,759
Speaker 2: had lost her mucus plug and that contractions had started.

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01:14:19,880 --> 01:14:23,519
Speaker 2: She also asked a question, do babies get more still

1492
01:14:23,680 --> 01:14:26,160
Speaker 2: trying to drop down? Trying. I'm getting a couple of kicks,

1493
01:14:26,200 --> 01:14:28,960
Speaker 2: but nowhere near usual movement. Wow.

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01:14:29,040 --> 01:14:30,800
Speaker 3: She was still on Facebook while this is happening.

1495
01:14:30,880 --> 01:14:34,160
Speaker 2: Wow. While the group members failed, her posts were reassuring

1496
01:14:34,200 --> 01:14:36,719
Speaker 2: comments telling her to trust herself, her body, and her intuition.

1497
01:14:37,160 --> 01:14:39,439
Speaker 2: Judah put down her phone to do the work of birth.

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01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:42,200
Speaker 2: She walked and danced for hours through contractions, and floated

1499
01:14:42,240 --> 01:14:44,479
Speaker 2: into a pool that her husband filled with water. She

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01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:47,080
Speaker 2: listened to music and It's a friend who was a

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01:14:47,160 --> 01:14:51,320
Speaker 2: duo massaged her back. She took minute long naps between contractions.

1502
01:14:51,680 --> 01:14:53,760
Speaker 2: I'm doing this. She thought her body was working just

1503
01:14:53,840 --> 01:14:57,479
Speaker 2: as it should, as the stories she'd obsessively read promised

1504
01:14:57,479 --> 01:15:00,880
Speaker 2: that it would until it wasn't. As a pain increase

1505
01:15:00,920 --> 01:15:03,519
Speaker 2: in the breaks, ten contractions shortened, Judith tried to keep

1506
01:15:03,560 --> 01:15:05,719
Speaker 2: the vision of her intended birthday mob or ten hours

1507
01:15:05,760 --> 01:15:07,599
Speaker 2: in the labor things again to spend out of control.

1508
01:15:07,680 --> 01:15:07,880
Speaker 4: OOO.

1509
01:15:08,600 --> 01:15:09,880
Speaker 3: She was vomiting and scared.

1510
01:15:09,920 --> 01:15:12,000
Speaker 2: The contractions were coming so hard and fast that she

1511
01:15:12,040 --> 01:15:14,240
Speaker 2: couldn't ride herself before the next wave with hit. She

1512
01:15:14,320 --> 01:15:16,479
Speaker 2: tried to monitor the baby's heart rate, but she couldn't

1513
01:15:16,479 --> 01:15:18,760
Speaker 2: stay still or quiet long enough to register or read

1514
01:15:18,840 --> 01:15:22,559
Speaker 2: on the fetal stepthoscope she bought. Then her waters broke,

1515
01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:25,439
Speaker 2: and with them came a burst of dark brown mecho

1516
01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:30,640
Speaker 2: but maconium, which she recognized as stuard that could be

1517
01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:33,280
Speaker 2: dangerous to a baby if it hell, Judas knew she

1518
01:15:33,360 --> 01:15:35,799
Speaker 2: needed help on all fours. Judish rode in the backseat

1519
01:15:36,040 --> 01:15:38,160
Speaker 2: while her husband drove to a nearby hospital or the

1520
01:15:38,200 --> 01:15:40,280
Speaker 2: team of nurses and doctors attached to a monitor to

1521
01:15:40,360 --> 01:15:42,840
Speaker 2: her belly made quick preparations to deliver her baby. But

1522
01:15:42,920 --> 01:15:44,840
Speaker 2: as Judas rode, the wave of another contraction in the

1523
01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:48,000
Speaker 2: room quieted. The doctor stepped forward. There was no heartbeat.

1524
01:15:49,720 --> 01:15:52,080
Speaker 2: There's something different about the wall of a mother who

1525
01:15:52,200 --> 01:15:54,000
Speaker 2: lost the wail of a mother who lost her baby.

1526
01:15:54,080 --> 01:15:57,080
Speaker 2: Judah said, your whole responsibility, it's to protect your child,

1527
01:15:57,080 --> 01:15:59,400
Speaker 2: and I didn't before he even had a chance to breathe.

1528
01:16:02,280 --> 01:16:05,400
Speaker 2: Judah has wavy, chocolate colored hair, matching almond eyes, and

1529
01:16:05,439 --> 01:16:07,920
Speaker 2: a mouth that natural cysts and an upturn, playful smile

1530
01:16:08,280 --> 01:16:10,000
Speaker 2: as she sits in the living room so for nine

1531
01:16:10,040 --> 01:16:13,640
Speaker 2: months after her loss, her freshly bitten fingernails offer a

1532
01:16:13,720 --> 01:16:17,360
Speaker 2: clue to the anxiety that often overwhelms her. Judas asked

1533
01:16:18,280 --> 01:16:20,280
Speaker 2: that NBC News not use her full name fear in

1534
01:16:20,320 --> 01:16:23,560
Speaker 2: the backlash from the trolls, paid per click bloggers and

1535
01:16:23,720 --> 01:16:26,960
Speaker 2: well meaning health advocates who congregate in online spaces to

1536
01:16:27,000 --> 01:16:30,120
Speaker 2: debate birth choices. Jesus is terrified they'll say the things

1537
01:16:30,160 --> 01:16:32,280
Speaker 2: she already tells herself in the darkest moments. I can't

1538
01:16:32,320 --> 01:16:34,880
Speaker 2: take any more guilts, she said, yeah, because in addition

1539
01:16:35,040 --> 01:16:37,920
Speaker 2: to all the people that are going to be like

1540
01:16:38,040 --> 01:16:40,360
Speaker 2: this was stupid, you mother, How can you fucking do this?

1541
01:16:41,000 --> 01:16:43,200
Speaker 2: You know, all that the pro life her people that

1542
01:16:43,439 --> 01:16:46,559
Speaker 2: love the admonish women, you know, like you fucking killed

1543
01:16:46,600 --> 01:16:48,840
Speaker 2: o baby and shit, But you're also going to have

1544
01:16:48,920 --> 01:16:53,880
Speaker 2: those people within that community who your story now contradicts

1545
01:16:53,960 --> 01:16:56,840
Speaker 2: all the propagator they gave you over those months you

1546
01:16:56,920 --> 01:17:00,439
Speaker 2: spent with them, and they can't have the what do

1547
01:17:00,520 --> 01:17:02,439
Speaker 2: we talk about to start the show, They can't have

1548
01:17:02,680 --> 01:17:04,760
Speaker 2: the narrative that fits outside of what the fuck they've

1549
01:17:04,760 --> 01:17:07,400
Speaker 2: been telling you, right, so they you stayed as a

1550
01:17:07,479 --> 01:17:10,160
Speaker 2: beacon as an example of like and sometimes we don't

1551
01:17:10,160 --> 01:17:12,640
Speaker 2: know what the fuck we're talking about, and so you

1552
01:17:12,720 --> 01:17:14,760
Speaker 2: can't have that. So I could see how she would

1553
01:17:14,760 --> 01:17:17,760
Speaker 2: feel like every group it's starting on her. It is

1554
01:17:17,800 --> 01:17:20,040
Speaker 2: impossible to know whether Judas's baby would have been alive

1555
01:17:20,200 --> 01:17:22,080
Speaker 2: she had been induced to forty two weeks, or scheduled

1556
01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:24,200
Speaker 2: the cinesarean section, or made any choices other than the

1557
01:17:24,280 --> 01:17:27,160
Speaker 2: one she did the hospital and performing autopsy, The doctors

1558
01:17:27,200 --> 01:17:30,240
Speaker 2: couldn't explain why her baby's heart stopped beating. Even so,

1559
01:17:30,439 --> 01:17:34,200
Speaker 2: Judith has spent every day since replaying different scenarios, imagining

1560
01:17:34,240 --> 01:17:36,320
Speaker 2: a better outcome, and asking herselves just how she got

1561
01:17:36,400 --> 01:17:38,320
Speaker 2: here as well as she can figure it. Started with

1562
01:17:38,439 --> 01:17:41,360
Speaker 2: the podcast. Judith worked at a flower shop. The daily

1563
01:17:41,800 --> 01:17:44,960
Speaker 2: drive was an hour outside of town. Times she feeled

1564
01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:47,799
Speaker 2: by listening to podcasts she got pregnant. She devour episodes

1565
01:17:47,840 --> 01:17:50,920
Speaker 2: of the Birth Hour in Indie Birth, popular programs on

1566
01:17:51,040 --> 01:17:54,320
Speaker 2: which women share the childbirth stories which range from hospital

1567
01:17:54,360 --> 01:17:56,840
Speaker 2: to homebirth. But it was the Free Birth podcast that

1568
01:17:56,960 --> 01:17:59,800
Speaker 2: really spoke to judas it's a podcast for everything, y'all

1569
01:18:00,560 --> 01:18:04,160
Speaker 2: and literally building a supporter space for people who are learning, exploring,

1570
01:18:04,200 --> 01:18:07,719
Speaker 2: and celebrating their autonomous choices in childbirth. The podcast features

1571
01:18:07,760 --> 01:18:12,040
Speaker 2: Emily Saldaia thirty five and a Los Angeles free birth

1572
01:18:12,120 --> 01:18:14,960
Speaker 2: advocate and founder of the Freebirth Society. The group has

1573
01:18:15,040 --> 01:18:17,920
Speaker 2: forty six thousand followers on Instagram and this podcast hit

1574
01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:22,200
Speaker 2: a million downloads last year. Wow on the podcast Sowdaya

1575
01:18:22,360 --> 01:18:26,759
Speaker 2: interviews mothers about their free birth stories. These women reminded

1576
01:18:26,920 --> 01:18:30,040
Speaker 2: Judith of herself. They were college age, spiritual, creative types

1577
01:18:30,280 --> 01:18:32,840
Speaker 2: who spoke about their birth and powerful radical terms as

1578
01:18:32,880 --> 01:18:36,439
Speaker 2: euphoric events that in baptubs and the nature of or

1579
01:18:36,479 --> 01:18:39,000
Speaker 2: in their own beds, surrounded by their partners and family.

1580
01:18:39,360 --> 01:18:41,680
Speaker 2: Women in these podcasts weren't listening to doctors, but to

1581
01:18:41,760 --> 01:18:43,720
Speaker 2: their bodies. They weren't lying on their backs waiting for

1582
01:18:43,800 --> 01:18:46,040
Speaker 2: someone to pull the baby from them, but bringing their

1583
01:18:46,080 --> 01:18:49,040
Speaker 2: babies into the world with their own two hands. Judath

1584
01:18:49,120 --> 01:18:52,040
Speaker 2: tore through some seventy episodes she re listened to her favors,

1585
01:18:52,360 --> 01:18:54,200
Speaker 2: one of which featured a woman who had given birth

1586
01:18:54,240 --> 01:18:56,840
Speaker 2: by candlelight and an off the grid yerked in the

1587
01:18:56,920 --> 01:18:59,519
Speaker 2: California mountains with only her husband and a dog she

1588
01:18:59,640 --> 01:19:03,639
Speaker 2: called her Midwolf while she listened Judith with daydream, imagining

1589
01:19:03,680 --> 01:19:05,600
Speaker 2: herself as a future guest on the podcast.

1590
01:19:06,280 --> 01:19:07,280
Speaker 3: Man, people do a lot to.

1591
01:19:07,280 --> 01:19:09,280
Speaker 2: Be guests on podcasts. You gotta be careful out here, guys.

1592
01:19:10,280 --> 01:19:13,320
Speaker 2: I became obsessed you to said, I would just wonder

1593
01:19:13,720 --> 01:19:16,360
Speaker 2: what's my story going to be like? And think I

1594
01:19:16,479 --> 01:19:19,479
Speaker 2: want my story to be as badass as their stories. Gus,

1595
01:19:19,520 --> 01:19:21,400
Speaker 2: it's good she didn't start listening to cereals. She's gonna

1596
01:19:21,439 --> 01:19:23,080
Speaker 2: kill somebody, all right.

1597
01:19:23,880 --> 01:19:26,479
Speaker 4: Wow, this story? Wow, go ahead.

1598
01:19:27,439 --> 01:19:30,799
Speaker 2: The podcast open with advertisements for the Free Birth Society's

1599
01:19:30,840 --> 01:19:35,599
Speaker 2: paid services online courses of private consultations. Welled to be prepared.

1600
01:19:35,720 --> 01:19:37,600
Speaker 2: She paid two hundred and ninety nine dollars for the

1601
01:19:37,640 --> 01:19:40,760
Speaker 2: group's ten module video guide on how the Free Birth

1602
01:19:40,840 --> 01:19:43,679
Speaker 2: Babies at Home. The course pays expected mothers as warriors

1603
01:19:43,760 --> 01:19:46,439
Speaker 2: and experts, and doctors and midwives as the enemy.

1604
01:19:48,600 --> 01:19:50,320
Speaker 4: I don't think you heard me as the enemy.

1605
01:19:50,439 --> 01:19:54,639
Speaker 2: The course pays expected mothers as warriors and experts, doctors

1606
01:19:54,720 --> 01:19:56,160
Speaker 2: and midwives as the enemy.

1607
01:19:56,760 --> 01:20:01,120
Speaker 5: The enemy the people that actually year to actually save

1608
01:20:01,200 --> 01:20:04,640
Speaker 5: your life in case of any complications, because you know,

1609
01:20:05,160 --> 01:20:07,840
Speaker 5: like they run tests, you're constantly plucked up the shit.

1610
01:20:07,880 --> 01:20:10,080
Speaker 4: And even if you have a midwife, they've.

1611
01:20:09,840 --> 01:20:11,559
Speaker 5: Been doing it long enough where they could have since

1612
01:20:11,640 --> 01:20:15,120
Speaker 5: something was wrong and took you to the doc. Like science,

1613
01:20:15,200 --> 01:20:17,040
Speaker 5: science matters, people, Science matters.

1614
01:20:17,479 --> 01:20:19,920
Speaker 2: Birth is not a medical event, but a spontaneous function

1615
01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:24,720
Speaker 2: of biology. Free Birth Society instructor Yolande Norris Clark says

1616
01:20:24,760 --> 01:20:25,840
Speaker 2: in a welcome video, what do.

1617
01:20:25,880 --> 01:20:27,000
Speaker 4: They mean it's not a medical event.

1618
01:20:29,040 --> 01:20:32,280
Speaker 2: I don't know, and just saying you don't need to

1619
01:20:32,640 --> 01:20:35,160
Speaker 2: go to a hospital or whatever. Birth would happen whether

1620
01:20:35,200 --> 01:20:37,840
Speaker 2: you went there or not. And people have been doing

1621
01:20:37,920 --> 01:20:39,759
Speaker 2: this before hospitals existed.

1622
01:20:40,040 --> 01:20:43,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, and the birthway for mothers and children were like

1623
01:20:44,240 --> 01:20:46,960
Speaker 5: really really high. A lot more women, well women die

1624
01:20:47,439 --> 01:20:52,479
Speaker 5: period with medical technology and not. But you know back then, yeah,

1625
01:20:53,040 --> 01:20:54,640
Speaker 5: you know, one thing happened and that was it.

1626
01:20:55,680 --> 01:20:56,320
Speaker 3: H free birth.

1627
01:20:57,600 --> 01:21:00,360
Speaker 2: It isn't luck. Norris Clark and an artist and mother

1628
01:21:00,439 --> 01:21:04,160
Speaker 2: of eight in Canadian province of New Brunswick. Breath of

1629
01:21:04,200 --> 01:21:06,920
Speaker 2: the offers, but education, mindset and love of your baby

1630
01:21:06,960 --> 01:21:11,400
Speaker 2: that hold the keys success successful free birthing. Neither Sardaia

1631
01:21:11,520 --> 01:21:14,400
Speaker 2: nor Nor's Clark appear to have medical experience or expertise.

1632
01:21:15,360 --> 01:21:18,000
Speaker 3: That is, of course the point they did not respond

1633
01:21:18,040 --> 01:21:18,760
Speaker 3: to requests for coming.

1634
01:21:19,000 --> 01:21:21,160
Speaker 2: I know they did not, but the sweeping refusal to

1635
01:21:21,240 --> 01:21:24,240
Speaker 2: accept any outside care during birth comes with risk and

1636
01:21:24,360 --> 01:21:27,640
Speaker 2: Doctor Lawrence Lehman, a comedical director of the Baby the

1637
01:21:27,720 --> 01:21:31,040
Speaker 2: Mother Baby Unit at the University of New Mexico Hospital

1638
01:21:31,479 --> 01:21:36,320
Speaker 2: is delicate Lyman said, you're balancing maternal autonomy about birth.

1639
01:21:36,479 --> 01:21:38,479
Speaker 2: On the other hand, we also know that there are

1640
01:21:38,520 --> 01:21:40,439
Speaker 2: serious things that can happen in pregnancy and labor that

1641
01:21:40,520 --> 01:21:43,479
Speaker 2: can be identified and bad outcomes prevented by having a

1642
01:21:43,520 --> 01:21:46,200
Speaker 2: skilled person who can recognize if things go wrong and

1643
01:21:46,280 --> 01:21:50,080
Speaker 2: provide care. Judith had already connected doctors to vulnerable times

1644
01:21:50,080 --> 01:21:51,920
Speaker 2: when she had put she had been put under an

1645
01:21:51,960 --> 01:21:55,440
Speaker 2: ashesa as a child, when she sat through cold gyneological

1646
01:21:55,479 --> 01:21:57,479
Speaker 2: exams as a team, and when a doctor shrugged off

1647
01:21:57,520 --> 01:22:00,360
Speaker 2: her inner ear pain in college. Just calculating all those

1648
01:22:00,439 --> 01:22:02,800
Speaker 2: experiences I've had with doctors, Judas said, I never felt

1649
01:22:02,840 --> 01:22:05,759
Speaker 2: heard or never felt listened to. Judas said the podcast

1650
01:22:05,840 --> 01:22:08,679
Speaker 2: fan her unease with doctors in medicine into a hot distrust.

1651
01:22:09,200 --> 01:22:11,479
Speaker 2: What I find interesting is that to me, a lot

1652
01:22:11,560 --> 01:22:15,720
Speaker 2: of the community stuff that you're hearing, I mean, this

1653
01:22:15,800 --> 01:22:17,360
Speaker 2: is the same shit that works on the all right,

1654
01:22:18,520 --> 01:22:20,080
Speaker 2: Like we tend to think of it with things we

1655
01:22:20,160 --> 01:22:22,519
Speaker 2: don't like. Right, So in this case, this Whene lost

1656
01:22:22,560 --> 01:22:25,080
Speaker 2: a child, so it's easy to be like, this is terrible,

1657
01:22:25,439 --> 01:22:28,000
Speaker 2: this mentality, this type of group thing, this type of

1658
01:22:28,479 --> 01:22:32,000
Speaker 2: peer pressure and feeding into your doubts, feeding into your anxieties.

1659
01:22:32,600 --> 01:22:36,040
Speaker 3: This is a constant thing, even about the ship that

1660
01:22:36,120 --> 01:22:36,680
Speaker 3: you think is.

1661
01:22:36,720 --> 01:22:41,559
Speaker 5: Good, right, they are you know, groups just like people

1662
01:22:41,640 --> 01:22:44,120
Speaker 5: talk about you know, groups that white people get together,

1663
01:22:44,200 --> 01:22:46,200
Speaker 5: and you have groups that you know they talk about

1664
01:22:47,600 --> 01:22:50,639
Speaker 5: stuff the KKK. There are black groups that's like, I'm

1665
01:22:50,760 --> 01:22:53,599
Speaker 5: the complete opposite, very militant black people, because there are

1666
01:22:53,640 --> 01:22:58,880
Speaker 5: groups that echo the same sentiment and well, isn't healthy hotels?

1667
01:22:59,280 --> 01:22:59,439
Speaker 4: Right?

1668
01:22:59,560 --> 01:23:03,840
Speaker 2: Hotel are a group of people insulated amongst themselves who

1669
01:23:03,960 --> 01:23:07,639
Speaker 2: keep reinforcing the same fucking bullshit over and over until

1670
01:23:07,720 --> 01:23:10,599
Speaker 2: it's their truth now. And that's why you know, Kobe

1671
01:23:10,680 --> 01:23:13,599
Speaker 2: Bryant can die, and then you know someone's on fucking

1672
01:23:13,720 --> 01:23:17,479
Speaker 2: YouTube being like it's a conspiracy by medical marijuana and

1673
01:23:17,560 --> 01:23:20,640
Speaker 2: the NBA to kill this man. He was assassinated, you know.

1674
01:23:20,760 --> 01:23:22,640
Speaker 2: And it's like, in my mind, I look at that

1675
01:23:22,680 --> 01:23:24,600
Speaker 2: and go, how the fuck could anyone listen to this

1676
01:23:24,680 --> 01:23:28,160
Speaker 2: and arribe this conclusion? And to the people that are

1677
01:23:28,200 --> 01:23:31,280
Speaker 2: in that community, it's like, how can you not right?

1678
01:23:31,400 --> 01:23:32,960
Speaker 4: They think we're crazy? You know.

1679
01:23:33,320 --> 01:23:38,920
Speaker 2: So Judas said that the they fan her her knees

1680
01:23:38,960 --> 01:23:41,679
Speaker 2: with doctors in medicine into a hot distrust, a common

1681
01:23:41,720 --> 01:23:44,160
Speaker 2: refrain in the free birth community, in which hospital births

1682
01:23:44,200 --> 01:23:48,400
Speaker 2: are largely spoken about. His traumatic experiences, Harriet medical teams rushing, poking,

1683
01:23:48,479 --> 01:23:50,800
Speaker 2: strapping women down to beds and pumping them full of

1684
01:23:50,840 --> 01:23:54,880
Speaker 2: drugs that confuse the mind, strangle the hormones responsible for love,

1685
01:23:54,960 --> 01:23:58,320
Speaker 2: and push them into procedures that they didn't feel they needed.

1686
01:23:58,680 --> 01:24:03,439
Speaker 2: Terms like industrial of statric training and rape culture are

1687
01:24:03,520 --> 01:24:06,720
Speaker 2: often used. While the ideas espoused by free births may

1688
01:24:06,760 --> 01:24:10,160
Speaker 2: be radical, the ideology is rooted in legitimate concerns. A

1689
01:24:10,240 --> 01:24:12,360
Speaker 2: woman in America is fifty percent more likely to die

1690
01:24:12,400 --> 01:24:15,280
Speaker 2: from pregnancy or childbirth than her mother was.

1691
01:24:15,880 --> 01:24:17,160
Speaker 3: While many of these deaths are.

1692
01:24:17,120 --> 01:24:19,320
Speaker 2: Preventable and have more to do with access than in

1693
01:24:19,439 --> 01:24:23,000
Speaker 2: proper medical care, the statistic itself can lead women to

1694
01:24:23,080 --> 01:24:26,720
Speaker 2: doubt medical institutions. Meanwhile, one thirty US women give birth

1695
01:24:26,840 --> 01:24:30,000
Speaker 2: by c section, the experts have called alarming for a

1696
01:24:30,040 --> 01:24:32,639
Speaker 2: procedure that can save lives but also comes with increased

1697
01:24:32,680 --> 01:24:35,240
Speaker 2: health risk to mothers and babies, and one in six

1698
01:24:35,360 --> 01:24:39,000
Speaker 2: women reported mistreatment, verbal abuse, threats ignored, please for help,

1699
01:24:39,160 --> 01:24:42,559
Speaker 2: violations of physical privacy, and physical abuse by health care

1700
01:24:42,600 --> 01:24:46,240
Speaker 2: providers during pregnancy and childbirth. According to a survey published

1701
01:24:46,320 --> 01:24:49,680
Speaker 2: last year in the Journal of Reproductive Health, women who

1702
01:24:49,760 --> 01:24:52,240
Speaker 2: gave birth to hospitals were more than five times more

1703
01:24:52,360 --> 01:24:54,840
Speaker 2: likely to report mistreatment than those who gave birth at home.

1704
01:24:55,640 --> 01:24:58,679
Speaker 2: A different survey conducted by the Washington advocacy group National

1705
01:24:58,760 --> 01:25:01,000
Speaker 2: Partnership for Women and Family found that in two thousand

1706
01:25:01,040 --> 01:25:03,760
Speaker 2: and two, forty five percent of mother's survey agreed that

1707
01:25:03,880 --> 01:25:06,280
Speaker 2: given birth is a natural process that should not be

1708
01:25:06,360 --> 01:25:11,200
Speaker 2: interfered with less absolutely medically necessary. By twenty eighteen, seventy

1709
01:25:11,240 --> 01:25:14,120
Speaker 2: four percent of new mothers said they agreed. So you

1710
01:25:14,200 --> 01:25:17,040
Speaker 2: went from forty five percent of women in two thousand

1711
01:25:17,080 --> 01:25:20,559
Speaker 2: and two to seventy four percent in twenty eighteen.

1712
01:25:20,600 --> 01:25:24,040
Speaker 4: What happened during that period of time. I don't know Internet,

1713
01:25:24,800 --> 01:25:27,439
Speaker 4: you know, oh damn likely. You have to think the

1714
01:25:27,520 --> 01:25:29,280
Speaker 4: Internet was different than two thousand and two.

1715
01:25:29,520 --> 01:25:32,400
Speaker 2: You're right, You're absolutely right, Like you have to think.

1716
01:25:32,520 --> 01:25:35,560
Speaker 5: These groups have always been out there, but now, like

1717
01:25:35,680 --> 01:25:38,600
Speaker 5: everything else, you have a collection. We have groups, we

1718
01:25:38,760 --> 01:25:42,840
Speaker 5: have chats, we have message boards, we have websites.

1719
01:25:43,040 --> 01:25:46,840
Speaker 4: Like over the years, these people with these far out

1720
01:25:46,880 --> 01:25:49,639
Speaker 4: their thoughts actually have they have a voice now.

1721
01:25:50,120 --> 01:25:53,519
Speaker 5: And so if you're already skeptical, you already, like she said,

1722
01:25:53,560 --> 01:25:54,799
Speaker 5: already had these bad expenses.

1723
01:25:54,880 --> 01:25:58,120
Speaker 4: Easy to be drawn in there and then it can eat.

1724
01:25:58,160 --> 01:25:59,800
Speaker 4: You can easily be kind of.

1725
01:26:02,880 --> 01:26:06,400
Speaker 5: Become a part of this collective and not really realizing

1726
01:26:06,479 --> 01:26:09,000
Speaker 5: to an extent, if you don't fifter things out on

1727
01:26:09,080 --> 01:26:11,760
Speaker 5: your own and actually have your own thought process, it

1728
01:26:11,920 --> 01:26:14,720
Speaker 5: is easily anybody can get wrapped.

1729
01:26:14,520 --> 01:26:15,120
Speaker 4: Up in shit like this.

1730
01:26:15,560 --> 01:26:18,479
Speaker 5: I tell people nobody is above this because a lot

1731
01:26:18,520 --> 01:26:19,760
Speaker 5: of times people go cult like, cult like.

1732
01:26:19,840 --> 01:26:21,439
Speaker 4: It's a lot of shit that is quote unquote coote

1733
01:26:21,479 --> 01:26:23,800
Speaker 4: like that. We don't consider cults, but they have a

1734
01:26:23,880 --> 01:26:24,920
Speaker 4: cult like mentality.

1735
01:26:25,200 --> 01:26:28,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, this happened to you. I remember with Farmville. Yes,

1736
01:26:29,120 --> 01:26:31,840
Speaker 2: I'm just joking you guys. Mothers who home birth think

1737
01:26:31,880 --> 01:26:34,840
Speaker 2: it's safer than the hospital, said doctor Eugene the Clerk,

1738
01:26:36,280 --> 01:26:39,639
Speaker 2: a professor of Community Health Services Sciences at Boston University

1739
01:26:39,840 --> 01:26:42,639
Speaker 2: of Public Health. While the question of safety and risk

1740
01:26:42,720 --> 01:26:45,439
Speaker 2: from playing home burst versus hospital versus the subject of

1741
01:26:45,520 --> 01:26:48,120
Speaker 2: intense professional online debate, the evidence.

1742
01:26:47,760 --> 01:26:50,400
Speaker 3: Support both sides. To support both sides is limited.

1743
01:26:50,439 --> 01:26:54,320
Speaker 2: According to the American College of Obstetricians and got A Cologists,

1744
01:26:54,640 --> 01:26:57,599
Speaker 2: home births attended by midwives are rare, accounting for less

1745
01:26:57,640 --> 01:26:59,600
Speaker 2: than one percent of our births, and free birth is

1746
01:26:59,600 --> 01:27:02,719
Speaker 2: too rare of phenomenon to study. Women want the freedom

1747
01:27:02,760 --> 01:27:05,000
Speaker 2: to make choices without being pressured in the interventions that

1748
01:27:05,160 --> 01:27:07,680
Speaker 2: may not want, they may not want, or practices they

1749
01:27:07,760 --> 01:27:11,559
Speaker 2: don't feel are appropriate. Obviously, home birth folks have more control.

1750
01:27:11,600 --> 01:27:14,040
Speaker 2: The providers are coming into their home. The ultimate expression

1751
01:27:14,080 --> 01:27:16,800
Speaker 2: of what would be no one's coming into my home,

1752
01:27:17,520 --> 01:27:22,080
Speaker 2: of that would be okay. She approached her forty fifth

1753
01:27:22,120 --> 01:27:24,720
Speaker 2: week due date a forty week do date, she turned

1754
01:27:24,760 --> 01:27:27,880
Speaker 2: the Free Birth Society Courses episode on long Pregnancies for

1755
01:27:27,920 --> 01:27:31,960
Speaker 2: strength and the video, Norris Clark warns against induction, calling

1756
01:27:32,040 --> 01:27:34,639
Speaker 2: any procedure to bring on labor and eviction from the womb.

1757
01:27:35,080 --> 01:27:38,000
Speaker 2: Norris Clark says she went far past the standard forty

1758
01:27:38,000 --> 01:27:40,559
Speaker 2: week gestation for all of her births, one of them

1759
01:27:40,600 --> 01:27:43,719
Speaker 2: almost forty three weeks. And while she addresses the concern

1760
01:27:43,800 --> 01:27:46,240
Speaker 2: of stillbirth, calling it the elephant in the room, Norris

1761
01:27:46,280 --> 01:27:49,439
Speaker 2: Clark quickly moves on and says the idea that babies

1762
01:27:49,520 --> 01:27:52,200
Speaker 2: must be born before forty two weeks is nonsense.

1763
01:27:52,560 --> 01:27:53,360
Speaker 3: Babies come out.

1764
01:27:53,520 --> 01:27:56,599
Speaker 2: Babies always come out, she says, except sometimes they don't.

1765
01:27:57,920 --> 01:27:59,680
Speaker 2: The other thing I throw here. I was listening to

1766
01:27:59,720 --> 01:28:03,080
Speaker 2: a podcast the other day and they were talking about

1767
01:28:03,240 --> 01:28:08,920
Speaker 2: like some criminal like prison reform all this type of stuff.

1768
01:28:09,400 --> 01:28:13,320
Speaker 2: And then you know, and and like I agree, like

1769
01:28:13,560 --> 01:28:16,519
Speaker 2: you got a prison criminal, prison abolition is what they're

1770
01:28:16,520 --> 01:28:18,960
Speaker 2: talking about. And I agree with so much of the

1771
01:28:19,000 --> 01:28:20,600
Speaker 2: points they were saying. But then you get to the

1772
01:28:20,800 --> 01:28:24,200
Speaker 2: end and they're like, okay, so what are we what

1773
01:28:24,320 --> 01:28:27,040
Speaker 2: are their answers to the you know, the things that

1774
01:28:27,280 --> 01:28:29,479
Speaker 2: we're gonna make in this new world with our prisons

1775
01:28:29,520 --> 01:28:32,000
Speaker 2: so that we have accountability and all that stuff. And

1776
01:28:32,080 --> 01:28:35,519
Speaker 2: then it turns in the word salad, because essentially, we

1777
01:28:35,680 --> 01:28:38,799
Speaker 2: have to ignore a certain percentage of what is already

1778
01:28:38,880 --> 01:28:43,479
Speaker 2: happening so that we can condition you to think about

1779
01:28:43,680 --> 01:28:45,479
Speaker 2: just the things we want you to think about. And

1780
01:28:45,560 --> 01:28:48,240
Speaker 2: that's how this shit feels, where it's like, okay, but

1781
01:28:48,360 --> 01:28:51,479
Speaker 2: what about stillbirth? What about children that are it's been

1782
01:28:51,560 --> 01:28:54,559
Speaker 2: forty four weeks and the child's not coming out? Well,

1783
01:28:54,880 --> 01:28:57,720
Speaker 2: I mean, first of all, it's garbage to even think

1784
01:28:57,840 --> 01:28:59,840
Speaker 2: that it should be have to be before forty two weeks.

1785
01:29:00,560 --> 01:29:02,519
Speaker 3: Anyway, moving on, I was like, no, nigga, this is

1786
01:29:02,520 --> 01:29:03,720
Speaker 3: a big fucking part of this.

1787
01:29:07,120 --> 01:29:10,000
Speaker 2: Right, Like this, this actually is what the fucking meaning

1788
01:29:10,040 --> 01:29:13,280
Speaker 2: potatoes of everything we're talking about comes down to, because

1789
01:29:13,880 --> 01:29:16,320
Speaker 2: in the rare instance, I'm in the rare instance. And

1790
01:29:16,400 --> 01:29:19,519
Speaker 2: the thing is, when you're an absolute absolutenist like this,

1791
01:29:20,000 --> 01:29:22,320
Speaker 2: you're afraid to say, well, in that case, you may

1792
01:29:22,400 --> 01:29:25,680
Speaker 2: need to go to the hospital, because it's like, if

1793
01:29:25,760 --> 01:29:29,559
Speaker 2: I admit that there's a fucking reason this place exists

1794
01:29:29,800 --> 01:29:33,120
Speaker 2: and that these people have jobs and agrees and they studied,

1795
01:29:33,360 --> 01:29:36,439
Speaker 2: then I've lost my mother fucking leverage in my whole

1796
01:29:36,720 --> 01:29:38,439
Speaker 2: Like I'm not as pure as I need to be.

1797
01:29:38,960 --> 01:29:41,160
Speaker 2: I need to be able to say, never, ever, ever,

1798
01:29:41,360 --> 01:29:44,599
Speaker 2: under any circumstance, should you ever walk into this hospital

1799
01:29:44,680 --> 01:29:47,120
Speaker 2: for any reason, it's gonna work out. Your body will

1800
01:29:47,160 --> 01:29:49,160
Speaker 2: take care of it. Blah blah blah. They if I

1801
01:29:49,280 --> 01:29:50,720
Speaker 2: and if I have to step off of that even

1802
01:29:50,760 --> 01:29:52,879
Speaker 2: a little bit and be like, Okay, well in some cases,

1803
01:29:53,360 --> 01:29:57,360
Speaker 2: in the extreme case, you know, go check with a doctor.

1804
01:29:57,840 --> 01:30:00,600
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, because you don't want And

1805
01:30:00,680 --> 01:30:03,320
Speaker 2: then it's the thing because they never fully complicitly come

1806
01:30:03,360 --> 01:30:06,519
Speaker 2: out and explicitly come out and say, you know whatever.

1807
01:30:07,040 --> 01:30:09,519
Speaker 2: They feel like, oh, I can't be held responsible, but no,

1808
01:30:09,680 --> 01:30:11,200
Speaker 2: you don't want to talk about this kind.

1809
01:30:11,080 --> 01:30:14,120
Speaker 5: Of case, right, And it's also one of the things

1810
01:30:14,120 --> 01:30:17,040
Speaker 5: when you in the studies how that women go, Okay,

1811
01:30:17,200 --> 01:30:19,160
Speaker 5: I don't mind having to try at home. I don't

1812
01:30:19,200 --> 01:30:22,439
Speaker 5: mind a midwife, but you know, if she get real, yes,

1813
01:30:22,640 --> 01:30:24,599
Speaker 5: go to the doctor, like like their thing is, Hey,

1814
01:30:24,960 --> 01:30:28,639
Speaker 5: if she get real, I don't mind medical assistance, right.

1815
01:30:28,920 --> 01:30:32,439
Speaker 2: You know, It's like I can agree with people that, hey,

1816
01:30:32,680 --> 01:30:36,080
Speaker 2: policing needs to be fucking abolished. It's terrible blah blah blah.

1817
01:30:36,400 --> 01:30:38,720
Speaker 2: But then I'm also like, and if a motherfucker come

1818
01:30:38,800 --> 01:30:41,280
Speaker 2: to kill me. I'm and my so just let them

1819
01:30:41,360 --> 01:30:43,800
Speaker 2: kill me? Is that the way it's gonna go? I

1820
01:30:43,840 --> 01:30:46,439
Speaker 2: got or should I kill them? You know, if they

1821
01:30:46,439 --> 01:30:48,200
Speaker 2: don't want to talk it out? Like what the fuck

1822
01:30:48,280 --> 01:30:50,760
Speaker 2: is the who in those instances? Because that's gonna happen

1823
01:30:50,840 --> 01:30:52,760
Speaker 2: in any fucking society, and that has to be a

1824
01:30:52,880 --> 01:30:56,160
Speaker 2: thing to happen at that point, it's either I'm dying

1825
01:30:56,280 --> 01:30:59,360
Speaker 2: or they dying or something or what is that intervention?

1826
01:30:59,520 --> 01:31:01,160
Speaker 2: We don't want to place where people can be so veiled.

1827
01:31:01,160 --> 01:31:02,639
Speaker 2: We don't want a place where people can be held.

1828
01:31:03,120 --> 01:31:04,920
Speaker 2: We don't want a place where people can be fucking

1829
01:31:05,080 --> 01:31:07,679
Speaker 2: like what like the intervention that has to be community intervention.

1830
01:31:07,760 --> 01:31:11,479
Speaker 2: Motherfuckers are shoot up schools? Like what are these answers?

1831
01:31:11,520 --> 01:31:13,720
Speaker 2: Because we clearly, I agree that the answers we have

1832
01:31:13,880 --> 01:31:16,439
Speaker 2: now are fucking trash, right, I'm willing to hop on

1833
01:31:16,560 --> 01:31:18,200
Speaker 2: board with the thing. Just let me know what the

1834
01:31:18,280 --> 01:31:21,960
Speaker 2: thing is or a thing or some alternative other than

1835
01:31:22,120 --> 01:31:24,680
Speaker 2: just oh well, then you know, motherfucker just gonna get

1836
01:31:24,680 --> 01:31:25,880
Speaker 2: to kill you and do whatever they want to do.

1837
01:31:25,920 --> 01:31:28,799
Speaker 2: They'll be out skipping down the street. You know, we'll

1838
01:31:28,800 --> 01:31:30,720
Speaker 2: see if they say they're sorry and then we'll move on,

1839
01:31:31,000 --> 01:31:34,040
Speaker 2: like nah, nigga, you know. So that's the thing where

1840
01:31:34,680 --> 01:31:38,240
Speaker 2: with this too is like okay, so what about these scenarios,

1841
01:31:38,520 --> 01:31:46,640
Speaker 2: We're just gonna pretend they don't exist, Okay anyway. Then

1842
01:31:46,680 --> 01:31:48,920
Speaker 2: November twenty eighteen, the Free Births of Siety closed it

1843
01:31:49,040 --> 01:31:51,880
Speaker 2: six thousand member Facebook group and reaction to a blocker

1844
01:31:51,920 --> 01:31:53,800
Speaker 2: wrote several posts about a member who had lost her

1845
01:31:53,840 --> 01:31:56,240
Speaker 2: baby after six girling days of labor in her desert home.

1846
01:31:56,560 --> 01:31:58,439
Speaker 2: The story went viral when it was picked up as

1847
01:31:58,479 --> 01:32:00,200
Speaker 2: a feature on The Daily Beasts and her past and

1848
01:32:00,240 --> 01:32:02,760
Speaker 2: her last post of the group, so Diad doubled down

1849
01:32:02,800 --> 01:32:03,320
Speaker 2: on her mission.

1850
01:32:03,400 --> 01:32:05,639
Speaker 3: This is not the time to run high or be silence.

1851
01:32:05,880 --> 01:32:08,360
Speaker 2: It's time to become more staff ass, more powerful, more

1852
01:32:08,400 --> 01:32:11,280
Speaker 2: protected in this radical work of healing the deepest woes

1853
01:32:11,320 --> 01:32:11,760
Speaker 2: on this earth.

1854
01:32:11,880 --> 01:32:13,479
Speaker 4: Right because you don't talk about that woman dying.

1855
01:32:14,200 --> 01:32:14,920
Speaker 3: Yah, yeah you're not.

1856
01:32:15,000 --> 01:32:16,920
Speaker 2: You just double now. You're not gonna be like, Okay,

1857
01:32:17,760 --> 01:32:20,519
Speaker 2: maybe we don't have maybe we haven't accounted for every

1858
01:32:20,520 --> 01:32:23,680
Speaker 2: fucking scenario. And that's the thing. They don't want no responsibility,

1859
01:32:23,720 --> 01:32:25,280
Speaker 2: but they do want to be like this is all

1860
01:32:25,360 --> 01:32:26,600
Speaker 2: fucked up, Okay, cool, So.

1861
01:32:26,840 --> 01:32:29,960
Speaker 4: In six days is a long fuck As six days.

1862
01:32:30,800 --> 01:32:33,640
Speaker 2: The closing of the Freebirth Society Facebook group had no

1863
01:32:33,680 --> 01:32:36,320
Speaker 2: effect on Judas confidence. She didn't recall seeing the news

1864
01:32:36,360 --> 01:32:40,160
Speaker 2: reports because if you're only in that.

1865
01:32:40,320 --> 01:32:45,640
Speaker 4: Group and to win somewhere else and kept going probably Facebook.

1866
01:32:45,360 --> 01:32:47,519
Speaker 2: They closed the whole fucking group. And she still was like,

1867
01:32:47,720 --> 01:32:50,080
Speaker 2: I gotta go through with this. But as the days

1868
01:32:50,120 --> 01:32:52,800
Speaker 2: crept by, a confidence crack to quiet, to quiet her

1869
01:32:52,840 --> 01:32:55,840
Speaker 2: small but growing concern. She had her amniotic fluid checked

1870
01:32:55,840 --> 01:32:58,000
Speaker 2: at the local hospital. Everything looked well enough for the

1871
01:32:58,040 --> 01:33:00,799
Speaker 2: doctor urged her to schedule induction. She made an appointment

1872
01:33:00,840 --> 01:33:03,000
Speaker 2: but canceled it the next day. Judus also checked in

1873
01:33:03,080 --> 01:33:06,479
Speaker 2: with a local midwife recollect collective, but ignored the gentle

1874
01:33:06,560 --> 01:33:11,760
Speaker 2: constant advice that she induced. Oh man, that is oh.

1875
01:33:12,120 --> 01:33:14,559
Speaker 4: They was like hey, something like you know what, something

1876
01:33:14,600 --> 01:33:14,960
Speaker 4: not right?

1877
01:33:15,120 --> 01:33:15,720
Speaker 2: Some'thing not right.

1878
01:33:15,840 --> 01:33:18,160
Speaker 5: So yeah, it was something in her that was like hey,

1879
01:33:18,800 --> 01:33:20,320
Speaker 5: because this is the same personal like hey, I should

1880
01:33:20,320 --> 01:33:21,120
Speaker 5: get something done.

1881
01:33:21,040 --> 01:33:22,120
Speaker 4: And she's like, nah, fuck it.

1882
01:33:24,439 --> 01:33:29,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. So Judith found a second opinion on Facebook. Although

1883
01:33:29,479 --> 01:33:32,960
Speaker 2: the Free Birth Society's Facebook page was had closed, several

1884
01:33:33,040 --> 01:33:36,000
Speaker 2: other private free birth Facebook groups were made that provided

1885
01:33:36,040 --> 01:33:39,040
Speaker 2: safe spaces for Judus to talk about her plans. Judith

1886
01:33:39,120 --> 01:33:42,040
Speaker 2: waited in the groups like Unassisted Pregnancy and Childbirth and

1887
01:33:42,120 --> 01:33:45,599
Speaker 2: home Birth assisted and Unassisted uncensored as they popped into

1888
01:33:45,960 --> 01:33:49,400
Speaker 2: up in her recommended sidebar. Yeah, the algorithm gonna take

1889
01:33:49,400 --> 01:33:52,760
Speaker 2: care of you. You was already on this shit. Cool,

1890
01:33:52,800 --> 01:33:57,200
Speaker 2: We're gonna keep you on this shit. Searching the hashtag

1891
01:33:58,080 --> 01:34:01,800
Speaker 2: hashtag forty three weeks led her to a Facebook group

1892
01:34:01,880 --> 01:34:04,960
Speaker 2: called ten month Mamas, made up of a few hundred

1893
01:34:05,000 --> 01:34:07,599
Speaker 2: women who knew what she was going through. Forty three

1894
01:34:07,680 --> 01:34:11,839
Speaker 2: plus one day one today politely declining hospital induction.

1895
01:34:12,040 --> 01:34:12,920
Speaker 3: They think I'm crazy.

1896
01:34:13,000 --> 01:34:16,200
Speaker 2: Jude posted it in ten month Mamas and January twenty nineteen,

1897
01:34:16,240 --> 01:34:18,439
Speaker 2: along with a list of the midwife's concerns, including the

1898
01:34:18,479 --> 01:34:22,360
Speaker 2: baby's larger size, her decreasing amniotic fluid, and the integrity

1899
01:34:22,400 --> 01:34:25,400
Speaker 2: of her placenta, the organ that carries oxygen and nutrients

1900
01:34:25,439 --> 01:34:28,479
Speaker 2: from mother to baby. I really feel like this baby

1901
01:34:28,560 --> 01:34:31,479
Speaker 2: wants a home birth too, but we are definitely being tested.

1902
01:34:31,520 --> 01:34:34,160
Speaker 2: What would you mamas do? The comments rolled in more

1903
01:34:34,240 --> 01:34:37,320
Speaker 2: than fifty per pose. Trust your body, your body is

1904
01:34:37,800 --> 01:34:39,640
Speaker 2: your baby isn't ready to come out. I would do

1905
01:34:39,720 --> 01:34:42,360
Speaker 2: exactly what you're doing. Keep going, mama, listen to your

1906
01:34:42,360 --> 01:34:43,320
Speaker 2: baby and your instincts.

1907
01:34:43,320 --> 01:34:45,840
Speaker 4: You got this, and all they're gonna have now is

1908
01:34:45,960 --> 01:34:47,080
Speaker 4: I'm sorry for your loss.

1909
01:34:50,200 --> 01:34:52,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know what's wild is.

1910
01:34:54,680 --> 01:34:56,639
Speaker 2: You're not gonna have anybody in that group come out

1911
01:34:56,640 --> 01:35:00,439
Speaker 2: and be like, Guys, I hate to disagree, but I

1912
01:35:00,520 --> 01:35:02,880
Speaker 2: don't think this is okay. I think should do what

1913
01:35:02,960 --> 01:35:03,719
Speaker 2: the doctor said.

1914
01:35:03,880 --> 01:35:05,920
Speaker 4: They would have bullet that person of somebody was like, hey,

1915
01:35:06,040 --> 01:35:07,599
Speaker 4: you might want to get that checked out.

1916
01:35:08,080 --> 01:35:11,920
Speaker 2: Get out of here, bitch, right right. You know, this

1917
01:35:12,040 --> 01:35:14,000
Speaker 2: is that thing, man, This, this is the danger of

1918
01:35:14,120 --> 01:35:16,479
Speaker 2: all that shit and this, this is this is one

1919
01:35:16,560 --> 01:35:19,400
Speaker 2: extreme case in a small type of community.

1920
01:35:19,439 --> 01:35:21,320
Speaker 3: But nigga, how many communities are like that out here?

1921
01:35:22,320 --> 01:35:24,439
Speaker 2: So a lot? How many of us surround ourselves with

1922
01:35:24,439 --> 01:35:27,000
Speaker 2: people that just down, double down everything we fucking say.

1923
01:35:27,080 --> 01:35:29,960
Speaker 4: Or from vaccinations to all that shit.

1924
01:35:30,120 --> 01:35:33,759
Speaker 2: Right, you know, She, with the ding of each new comment,

1925
01:35:33,880 --> 01:35:36,439
Speaker 2: came away with fresh reliefs. Last two weeks of her pregnancy,

1926
01:35:36,520 --> 01:35:39,560
Speaker 2: Judith was posting in multiple groups and reading the comments obsessively.

1927
01:35:39,680 --> 01:35:42,320
Speaker 3: She now recalls, she replied multiple groups, people do that.

1928
01:35:42,439 --> 01:35:44,679
Speaker 2: Yes, she replied to each new one, and took sperience

1929
01:35:44,720 --> 01:35:47,559
Speaker 2: shots of them from moms with stories of past going

1930
01:35:47,600 --> 01:35:48,719
Speaker 2: past forty three weeks.

1931
01:35:49,120 --> 01:35:51,479
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm feeling shitty. I can just read this, she shot.

1932
01:35:51,600 --> 01:35:52,000
Speaker 2: She thought.

1933
01:35:52,840 --> 01:35:52,960
Speaker 4: Uh.

1934
01:35:53,120 --> 01:35:55,360
Speaker 2: No one in Judah's groups encouraged her to heed the

1935
01:35:55,439 --> 01:35:58,040
Speaker 2: midwife's advice, and for good good reason, that kind of

1936
01:35:58,120 --> 01:36:01,880
Speaker 2: reaction was either generally discouraged or expressly against the rules.

1937
01:36:02,760 --> 01:36:07,400
Speaker 2: Oh no assistance talk was the first rule of unassisted

1938
01:36:07,439 --> 01:36:10,599
Speaker 2: pregnancy and childbirth with express which expressly for bait a's

1939
01:36:10,640 --> 01:36:13,400
Speaker 2: forty six hundred members from suggesting that another member go

1940
01:36:13,600 --> 01:36:17,200
Speaker 2: to it a doctor or midwife. This means we don't

1941
01:36:17,200 --> 01:36:19,080
Speaker 2: want to hear about to test your midwife wants you

1942
01:36:19,160 --> 01:36:23,400
Speaker 2: to take or how your ob thinks baby is breach

1943
01:36:23,600 --> 01:36:26,519
Speaker 2: or too big or whatever other shit they say. Just don't.

1944
01:36:26,640 --> 01:36:29,759
Speaker 2: This is not the place. The rules continue. No induction discussion.

1945
01:36:30,160 --> 01:36:32,519
Speaker 2: We do not advocate for induction of any kind, as

1946
01:36:32,600 --> 01:36:33,799
Speaker 2: no induction is natural.

1947
01:36:34,400 --> 01:36:34,439
Speaker 4: What?

1948
01:36:34,960 --> 01:36:35,760
Speaker 2: What? Breach?

1949
01:36:35,840 --> 01:36:36,559
Speaker 4: Birth is the real?

1950
01:36:36,840 --> 01:36:36,880
Speaker 2: What?

1951
01:36:37,320 --> 01:36:37,680
Speaker 4: Bitch? What?

1952
01:36:38,400 --> 01:36:41,719
Speaker 2: Women can get advice or whether to see a doctor anywhere,

1953
01:36:41,760 --> 01:36:44,559
Speaker 2: but they go to that space specifically to not get

1954
01:36:44,640 --> 01:36:47,080
Speaker 2: bombarded with negative comments. You just say you don't want

1955
01:36:47,120 --> 01:36:49,200
Speaker 2: to fill your head with anything that you don't want.

1956
01:36:49,520 --> 01:36:51,600
Speaker 2: Social media has come under fire in recent years for

1957
01:36:51,640 --> 01:36:56,160
Speaker 2: ample find extreme views and exp employing algorithms that connect

1958
01:36:56,280 --> 01:36:59,519
Speaker 2: users to these potentially dangerous echo chambers. Although much of

1959
01:36:59,600 --> 01:37:03,280
Speaker 2: this critic has focused on political extremism x person, lawmakers

1960
01:37:03,320 --> 01:37:05,759
Speaker 2: have also pointed out extremism fuel by health miss information

1961
01:37:05,840 --> 01:37:09,200
Speaker 2: as a threat to individuals and public health are at large. Yeah,

1962
01:37:10,040 --> 01:37:12,880
Speaker 2: this is a don't get the flu shot, don't get uh,

1963
01:37:13,120 --> 01:37:16,120
Speaker 2: don't get vaccination for your kids. All these places have

1964
01:37:16,200 --> 01:37:19,280
Speaker 2: a place. Have all these people find a place online?

1965
01:37:19,520 --> 01:37:22,120
Speaker 4: Yes? And this is how diseases break out. This is

1966
01:37:22,240 --> 01:37:24,439
Speaker 4: how people end up being sick. And then they then

1967
01:37:24,479 --> 01:37:26,360
Speaker 4: a lot of them wonder why people are like I'm

1968
01:37:26,400 --> 01:37:28,560
Speaker 4: not accepted in society. No, bitch, I don't want to

1969
01:37:28,640 --> 01:37:30,160
Speaker 4: die over your stupidity.

1970
01:37:30,560 --> 01:37:32,080
Speaker 3: Things can get a little dice, he said.

1971
01:37:32,120 --> 01:37:35,879
Speaker 2: Colina cole Tie, a research at the University of Texas

1972
01:37:35,920 --> 01:37:39,120
Speaker 2: at Austin who studies in social media behavior of alternative

1973
01:37:39,120 --> 01:37:41,200
Speaker 2: health communities. Not to demonize all of the groups, but

1974
01:37:41,280 --> 01:37:44,240
Speaker 2: when women start diagnosing the crowdsource and health related issues,

1975
01:37:44,560 --> 01:37:46,760
Speaker 2: they can end up getting bad medical advice that can

1976
01:37:46,840 --> 01:37:49,120
Speaker 2: be pretty dangerous. We're in this weird time, like a

1977
01:37:49,200 --> 01:37:50,439
Speaker 2: new digital wild wild West.

1978
01:37:50,520 --> 01:37:51,559
Speaker 3: She said, yeah.

1979
01:37:52,240 --> 01:37:54,720
Speaker 2: And that's another thing too, Man, It's like how the

1980
01:37:54,840 --> 01:37:56,559
Speaker 2: joke used to be you go to WebMD and they

1981
01:37:56,600 --> 01:37:59,040
Speaker 2: tell you everything's gonna kill you, right, you know. It's

1982
01:37:59,120 --> 01:38:05,720
Speaker 2: like no one's sourcing the internet information necessarily, and just

1983
01:38:05,800 --> 01:38:08,400
Speaker 2: as dangerous information can be out good information can be

1984
01:38:08,400 --> 01:38:10,240
Speaker 2: out there, dangerous information can be out there as well.

1985
01:38:11,680 --> 01:38:14,320
Speaker 2: Judas depending on the Internet and social media through pregnancy

1986
01:38:14,400 --> 01:38:16,920
Speaker 2: is an uncommon Pregnant women and mothers of young babies

1987
01:38:17,000 --> 01:38:19,880
Speaker 2: were among the earliest and most active Internet adopters. First

1988
01:38:19,960 --> 01:38:22,519
Speaker 2: time moms are experiencing the sense of loneliness and isolation.

1989
01:38:22,720 --> 01:38:25,080
Speaker 5: Mommy blogs went crazy when they in at first. That's

1990
01:38:25,120 --> 01:38:27,439
Speaker 5: why you have women to today like millionaires off of

1991
01:38:27,479 --> 01:38:28,640
Speaker 5: their mommy blogs.

1992
01:38:28,479 --> 01:38:31,240
Speaker 2: And coping with a lack of experiential knowledge that they

1993
01:38:31,320 --> 01:38:34,679
Speaker 2: had a generation to go, said Deb Reluctant, a digital

1994
01:38:34,840 --> 01:38:37,200
Speaker 2: sociologist a professor at the University of New South Wales

1995
01:38:37,240 --> 01:38:40,599
Speaker 2: and Australia. For Judith, newly married and living far from

1996
01:38:40,680 --> 01:38:42,880
Speaker 2: her family and most of her friends, the online birth

1997
01:38:42,880 --> 01:38:45,519
Speaker 2: community stepped in to fill the gap, and she veered

1998
01:38:45,560 --> 01:38:49,040
Speaker 2: toward the wildest, most radical content, seeking out those who

1999
01:38:49,040 --> 01:38:52,240
Speaker 2: would validate her choices. She blocked mainstream birth accounts on

2000
01:38:52,400 --> 01:38:56,280
Speaker 2: Instagram and Facebook and read only testimonials that promoted unassisted birth.

2001
01:38:56,680 --> 01:38:59,240
Speaker 2: Every day she felt more radical and resolved to free

2002
01:38:59,320 --> 01:38:59,920
Speaker 2: birth alone.

2003
01:39:00,280 --> 01:39:04,000
Speaker 3: I brainwashed myself with the internet right right.

2004
01:39:04,000 --> 01:39:07,400
Speaker 5: Because it is if I'm a brainwashing you know, I

2005
01:39:08,040 --> 01:39:12,040
Speaker 5: think that if she would have been around my speculation,

2006
01:39:12,240 --> 01:39:14,080
Speaker 5: just I guess you would be more more around more family,

2007
01:39:14,200 --> 01:39:15,439
Speaker 5: they'd be like, if you don't get your ass in

2008
01:39:15,439 --> 01:39:19,080
Speaker 5: a godamn hospital, you know, So she'd had somebody there

2009
01:39:19,200 --> 01:39:19,960
Speaker 5: would have been like, no.

2010
01:39:20,200 --> 01:39:22,599
Speaker 2: Well, you notice the doubts, she said she experienced were

2011
01:39:22,720 --> 01:39:26,400
Speaker 2: all from real life friends. People that actually give a

2012
01:39:26,439 --> 01:39:29,360
Speaker 2: fuck about you. Are the ones being like, hey, Jada,

2013
01:39:29,439 --> 01:39:32,040
Speaker 2: do you getting a look extreme with this? And it's like, well,

2014
01:39:32,080 --> 01:39:33,800
Speaker 2: let me write to the Internet. They'll reassure me that

2015
01:39:33,840 --> 01:39:36,479
Speaker 2: I'm right, And like, I'm bringing this article up because

2016
01:39:36,479 --> 01:39:39,120
Speaker 2: I feel like it applies as much more than just this.

2017
01:39:39,400 --> 01:39:41,960
Speaker 2: Yes it does. It applies to our politics, It applies

2018
01:39:42,000 --> 01:39:44,200
Speaker 2: to the way we talk to each other in Iraq,

2019
01:39:44,280 --> 01:39:47,720
Speaker 2: It applies to this harassment that applies to you know,

2020
01:39:48,040 --> 01:39:49,519
Speaker 2: all this stuff, and it.

2021
01:39:49,640 --> 01:39:50,599
Speaker 4: Applies to anything.

2022
01:39:50,720 --> 01:39:53,920
Speaker 5: It can apply to religion, it could apply to activism,

2023
01:39:55,760 --> 01:39:57,960
Speaker 5: It can apply to anything you can think of.

2024
01:39:58,240 --> 01:40:01,040
Speaker 4: It is some group out there is that you're right

2025
01:40:01,120 --> 01:40:02,200
Speaker 4: and everybody else's wrong.

2026
01:40:02,200 --> 01:40:05,280
Speaker 2: Do you want anyone who would cause you to doubt

2027
01:40:05,439 --> 01:40:08,519
Speaker 2: or think beyond what we are telling you? Is the enemy? Correct?

2028
01:40:08,800 --> 01:40:13,000
Speaker 2: That's cold shit, But that's also very common. Like someone

2029
01:40:13,160 --> 01:40:16,760
Speaker 2: is questioning this. Fuck you, you know, get the fuck

2030
01:40:16,800 --> 01:40:19,639
Speaker 2: out of here. You hate us. It's the Bernie Sanders people.

2031
01:40:20,400 --> 01:40:22,400
Speaker 2: All this shit, it's all related.

2032
01:40:23,120 --> 01:40:25,040
Speaker 3: In the end, Judith accepted medical assistance.

2033
01:40:25,040 --> 01:40:29,160
Speaker 2: She had worked so hard to avoid peokin potosin, potosin

2034
01:40:29,280 --> 01:40:33,160
Speaker 2: and labor medicine for nausea, the epidural for the pain.

2035
01:40:33,320 --> 01:40:35,960
Speaker 2: Judah crowd until she couldn't anymore. Her husband cry aside her.

2036
01:40:36,280 --> 01:40:38,040
Speaker 2: For the next ten hours or so, she waited for

2037
01:40:38,080 --> 01:40:40,280
Speaker 2: her labor to progress. Judah Flayer in the hospital bed,

2038
01:40:40,360 --> 01:40:43,040
Speaker 2: getting sick, watch the TV and pushing the button that

2039
01:40:43,080 --> 01:40:45,120
Speaker 2: released those is a pain medication. At one point, her

2040
01:40:45,160 --> 01:40:47,479
Speaker 2: mind turned to Facebook groups. The women would be wondering

2041
01:40:47,520 --> 01:40:49,840
Speaker 2: about her. She thought she could use their support right now,

2042
01:40:50,200 --> 01:40:52,599
Speaker 2: have some very bad news. Who lost her baby in labor.

2043
01:40:52,840 --> 01:40:55,160
Speaker 2: Judah told her birth story how her baby still inside

2044
01:40:55,160 --> 01:40:57,439
Speaker 2: her had died, and how she blamed herself, not even

2045
01:40:57,479 --> 01:40:59,599
Speaker 2: telling my family until we deliver, say goodbye and get

2046
01:40:59,640 --> 01:41:02,120
Speaker 2: out of here, she wrote. Then, woozy from drugs and

2047
01:41:02,160 --> 01:41:04,800
Speaker 2: known by shocks, she fell asleep. When a nurse woke

2048
01:41:04,920 --> 01:41:06,920
Speaker 2: Judith and told her it was time to push. She pushed.

2049
01:41:06,920 --> 01:41:08,640
Speaker 2: The doctor reached in the juwas body, helped got the

2050
01:41:08,680 --> 01:41:11,200
Speaker 2: baby out, and he was born. He weighed ten pounds

2051
01:41:11,240 --> 01:41:13,519
Speaker 2: with the shack of blonde hair. Judus held her baby

2052
01:41:13,640 --> 01:41:16,040
Speaker 2: for all her chests for a long time. He was

2053
01:41:16,120 --> 01:41:18,519
Speaker 2: so heavy in a r she thought, not like what

2054
01:41:18,680 --> 01:41:21,280
Speaker 2: a newborn baby was supposed to feel like. Judith kissed

2055
01:41:21,439 --> 01:41:23,960
Speaker 2: him and hugged him and cried. In the photos she

2056
01:41:24,080 --> 01:41:26,920
Speaker 2: took what her phone Judas, baby looks chubby, healthy, perfect.

2057
01:41:26,640 --> 01:41:28,880
Speaker 3: She thought, I'm so sorry, I'm so so sorry.

2058
01:41:28,960 --> 01:41:30,960
Speaker 2: She told him over and over, and after several hours,

2059
01:41:31,040 --> 01:41:34,160
Speaker 2: Judas and her husband said goodbye as Judith Moore. Women

2060
01:41:34,200 --> 01:41:36,719
Speaker 2: from all over the world offer condoless in her Facebook groups,

2061
01:41:36,760 --> 01:41:39,320
Speaker 2: but not everyone was there to get support for at

2062
01:41:39,400 --> 01:41:41,639
Speaker 2: least one member. Jesus had was to be an example.

2063
01:41:42,040 --> 01:41:44,719
Speaker 2: Within hours of judas steelbirth, a blogger in the anti

2064
01:41:44,800 --> 01:41:48,559
Speaker 2: home Birth Constellation published an article about it without reaching

2065
01:41:48,600 --> 01:41:50,800
Speaker 2: out to her. It was clear from the post, which

2066
01:41:50,840 --> 01:41:53,840
Speaker 2: included screen shots but blacked out Judas's name, that one

2067
01:41:53,880 --> 01:41:56,400
Speaker 2: of her Facebook groups had been infiltrated by an opponent

2068
01:41:56,600 --> 01:41:59,240
Speaker 2: of the free birth movement, someone who had seen judas

2069
01:41:59,360 --> 01:42:01,880
Speaker 2: tragedy and far and leaked the photos too of her chats.

2070
01:42:02,760 --> 01:42:05,880
Speaker 2: With that betrayal, Judith left all of her pregnancy Facebook groups,

2071
01:42:05,960 --> 01:42:09,840
Speaker 2: knowing that it was be inspired on. Then I'll tell

2072
01:42:09,880 --> 01:42:13,639
Speaker 2: people them. Facebook groups are not private. Does no amount

2073
01:42:13,640 --> 01:42:14,240
Speaker 2: of privacy.

2074
01:42:14,479 --> 01:42:19,920
Speaker 4: You don't have no privacy, y'all, no privacy anything.

2075
01:42:20,439 --> 01:42:22,280
Speaker 2: Anything you put in there you have to assume can

2076
01:42:22,320 --> 01:42:24,479
Speaker 2: be seen and will be seen by other people, sir.

2077
01:42:25,120 --> 01:42:27,120
Speaker 2: You know, like people go into Facebook groups to talk

2078
01:42:27,120 --> 01:42:29,800
Speaker 2: shit about people you going there, and it's like very

2079
01:42:29,960 --> 01:42:33,559
Speaker 2: like sexually explicit and stuff. Correct, Like it's all at

2080
01:42:33,600 --> 01:42:35,439
Speaker 2: your own risks. You know. It's one of the reasons

2081
01:42:35,439 --> 01:42:37,600
Speaker 2: when we used to run the Facebook group and people like,

2082
01:42:37,920 --> 01:42:39,559
Speaker 2: you know, I'm just glad y'all created a safe space,

2083
01:42:39,560 --> 01:42:41,400
Speaker 2: and I be like, I don't think this is safe.

2084
01:42:41,400 --> 01:42:44,040
Speaker 2: I don't think Facebook is safe, correct, So it's impossible

2085
01:42:44,040 --> 01:42:44,599
Speaker 2: to create a space.

2086
01:42:44,600 --> 01:42:47,040
Speaker 3: It don't matter how many rules you have any of

2087
01:42:47,080 --> 01:42:47,439
Speaker 3: this ship.

2088
01:42:47,600 --> 01:42:51,599
Speaker 2: Some motherfucker could just be like today today I'm gonna

2089
01:42:51,600 --> 01:42:52,320
Speaker 2: be an asshole.

2090
01:42:52,439 --> 01:42:56,120
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, don't get a loan no more. I've seen

2091
01:42:56,160 --> 01:42:58,400
Speaker 5: it half with my own eyes. We're best friends now.

2092
01:42:58,479 --> 01:43:00,519
Speaker 5: Were not as a fuck you for two and then

2093
01:43:00,560 --> 01:43:01,639
Speaker 5: everything just spills out.

2094
01:43:01,880 --> 01:43:06,559
Speaker 2: The internet is just not safe, right But yeah, so, uh,

2095
01:43:07,000 --> 01:43:09,040
Speaker 2: I'm not surprised they leaked the photos, and I'm sure

2096
01:43:09,120 --> 01:43:13,400
Speaker 2: people it's funny because that I'm sure that person would

2097
01:43:13,439 --> 01:43:15,559
Speaker 2: be like this is about warning women and protect themselves,

2098
01:43:15,600 --> 01:43:17,599
Speaker 2: and shit, it's like, yeah, you also took the worst

2099
01:43:17,640 --> 01:43:20,439
Speaker 2: one moment of this woman's life and callously threw it

2100
01:43:20,560 --> 01:43:23,080
Speaker 2: on something to make a point for the internet so

2101
01:43:23,200 --> 01:43:25,840
Speaker 2: that you could fucking and violate her privacy. Didn't reach

2102
01:43:25,880 --> 01:43:27,920
Speaker 2: out to her, nothing so that you could get what

2103
01:43:28,200 --> 01:43:30,680
Speaker 2: some points some some some some clicks on your.

2104
01:43:30,720 --> 01:43:33,160
Speaker 4: Articles like that's that's fucked up too correct.

2105
01:43:33,320 --> 01:43:34,840
Speaker 3: Where's the empathy in what you're doing?

2106
01:43:37,280 --> 01:43:41,960
Speaker 2: But yeah, so she left all the groups, uh knowing

2107
01:43:42,000 --> 01:43:44,639
Speaker 2: it was getting spot on. She explained in the final

2108
01:43:44,720 --> 01:43:47,599
Speaker 2: post that that once been what it been, once been

2109
01:43:47,600 --> 01:43:49,519
Speaker 2: an intimate and wonderful group, was no longer a safe

2110
01:43:49,560 --> 01:43:52,840
Speaker 2: place for patients for parents to share. But other free

2111
01:43:52,880 --> 01:43:57,120
Speaker 2: birth and Long Gestation UH groups Judah belonged to remain

2112
01:43:57,520 --> 01:43:59,840
Speaker 2: one private group with two thousand members still uses Judas

2113
01:43:59,880 --> 01:44:02,439
Speaker 2: pregnant belly and underwater photo, taking it forty two weeks

2114
01:44:02,479 --> 01:44:09,160
Speaker 2: as it's banner image. What When she returned home from

2115
01:44:09,200 --> 01:44:12,000
Speaker 2: the hospital, Judah state offline and inside, afraid of running

2116
01:44:12,040 --> 01:44:14,720
Speaker 2: to anyone who might ask about her baby. After a

2117
01:44:14,800 --> 01:44:16,960
Speaker 2: few months, Judith and her husband decided they couldn't go

2118
01:44:17,040 --> 01:44:19,240
Speaker 2: on grieving in a small town. To move twelve hundred

2119
01:44:19,280 --> 01:44:21,320
Speaker 2: miles to a state but she had never been and

2120
01:44:21,400 --> 01:44:23,120
Speaker 2: where no one knew about the baby. They found a

2121
01:44:23,160 --> 01:44:25,760
Speaker 2: house to the ranch where they helped feed and take

2122
01:44:25,800 --> 01:44:27,880
Speaker 2: care of horses. It's a nice place to hide, she said.

2123
01:44:27,960 --> 01:44:30,880
Speaker 2: Judas takes walks, feeds the horses, and rights poems and

2124
01:44:31,000 --> 01:44:33,360
Speaker 2: letters that she doesn't share with anyone. Art helps too.

2125
01:44:33,520 --> 01:44:36,240
Speaker 2: She makes dream catchers from wood and string, as well

2126
01:44:36,280 --> 01:44:38,840
Speaker 2: as jewelry out of polis stone. She started to sell

2127
01:44:38,840 --> 01:44:41,640
Speaker 2: the creations at local artfair. It's amazing how like the

2128
01:44:41,760 --> 01:44:43,720
Speaker 2: retreat in word is really the way to get back

2129
01:44:43,760 --> 01:44:46,639
Speaker 2: to yourself in a lot of these cases, because letting

2130
01:44:46,680 --> 01:44:48,639
Speaker 2: all those voices into your head and into your life.

2131
01:44:48,760 --> 01:44:51,800
Speaker 3: A lot it seemed like this is a coming pattern too.

2132
01:44:51,920 --> 01:44:55,160
Speaker 5: And it's overwhelming, and a lot of times people wanted

2133
01:44:55,200 --> 01:44:59,880
Speaker 5: what I have anxiety. People wonder why they feel overwhelmed,

2134
01:45:00,560 --> 01:45:05,479
Speaker 5: People wonder why, you know, they feel unstable and stuff.

2135
01:45:05,640 --> 01:45:07,320
Speaker 4: A lot of it has to do with you have

2136
01:45:07,560 --> 01:45:12,400
Speaker 4: too many people that have access to you and your

2137
01:45:12,520 --> 01:45:14,439
Speaker 4: thoughts and your thought process. Sometimes you have to shut

2138
01:45:14,479 --> 01:45:14,960
Speaker 4: that shit down.

2139
01:45:15,560 --> 01:45:18,160
Speaker 2: On Facebook, still birth and grieving mother support groups have

2140
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Speaker 2: replaced their free birth communities. And although you just never

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01:45:20,640 --> 01:45:22,960
Speaker 2: got to share one of the dreamy birth tells offered

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01:45:23,040 --> 01:45:25,320
Speaker 2: up by free birth businesses and blogs, she's hoping that

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01:45:25,400 --> 01:45:27,519
Speaker 2: it's not too late for another pregnant woman to gain

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01:45:27,600 --> 01:45:30,360
Speaker 2: something from hearing her story. Now, sad stories aren't out

2145
01:45:30,400 --> 01:45:33,320
Speaker 2: there nearly as much, she said, maybe my extreme story

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01:45:33,400 --> 01:45:34,200
Speaker 2: could help somebody.

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01:45:34,320 --> 01:45:35,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, And the thing is, there are a lot of

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01:45:35,800 --> 01:45:38,320
Speaker 4: other sad stories. I can't even imagine. I bought it

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01:45:38,439 --> 01:45:39,960
Speaker 4: up in the chat. I can't even imagine how many

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01:45:40,040 --> 01:45:43,040
Speaker 4: other women lost their babies just never came back, disappeared.

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01:45:43,080 --> 01:45:49,160
Speaker 2: I didn't even say nothing. Brandy the DROWNSI is the

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01:45:49,200 --> 01:45:52,639
Speaker 2: person who wrote this article. It's for NBC News, but yeah,

2153
01:45:53,320 --> 01:45:55,280
Speaker 2: like I read this and it just made me think

2154
01:45:55,320 --> 01:45:59,559
Speaker 2: about so much stuff about just how today, with all

2155
01:45:59,640 --> 01:46:04,280
Speaker 2: of this pressure online to like conform and all this, like,

2156
01:46:04,520 --> 01:46:07,519
Speaker 2: you can go out and have people that basically read

2157
01:46:09,600 --> 01:46:12,280
Speaker 2: they just recycle your opinion back to you over and

2158
01:46:12,360 --> 01:46:14,240
Speaker 2: over and over and over again, and you start to

2159
01:46:14,280 --> 01:46:16,439
Speaker 2: feel like that's the world, and you start to feel

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01:46:16,479 --> 01:46:19,360
Speaker 2: like what I'm doing is good and healthy and normal,

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01:46:19,479 --> 01:46:22,200
Speaker 2: and I don't need no no matter how extreme it gets,

2162
01:46:22,240 --> 01:46:23,920
Speaker 2: no matter what I'm in the right.

2163
01:46:24,160 --> 01:46:25,680
Speaker 3: All the people I know say I'm in the right.

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01:46:25,840 --> 01:46:27,840
Speaker 2: That's the end of it. And it made me think

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01:46:27,880 --> 01:46:32,840
Speaker 2: about the closing polls. You know, they do those exit polls.

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01:46:33,720 --> 01:46:36,560
Speaker 2: So at the Nevada's primary, they did exit polls and

2167
01:46:36,880 --> 01:46:40,960
Speaker 2: they asked what percentage of the people you know that voted.

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01:46:40,760 --> 01:46:43,200
Speaker 3: Like how what percentage of you are on social media?

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01:46:43,320 --> 01:46:50,160
Speaker 2: On Twitter? Eleven? But when you're on Twitter, that's why

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01:46:50,360 --> 01:46:53,040
Speaker 2: Twitter can feel like its own world with its own rules,

2171
01:46:53,120 --> 01:46:58,160
Speaker 2: where everyone is one way, and where people who express

2172
01:46:58,240 --> 01:47:02,920
Speaker 2: opinions that are more or quote unquote mainstream are normally

2173
01:47:03,080 --> 01:47:06,080
Speaker 2: the ones that are considered the outcast and the bad guys,

2174
01:47:06,120 --> 01:47:09,840
Speaker 2: unless all power on them. They've just created their own

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01:47:10,040 --> 01:47:13,960
Speaker 2: illusion of reality as they have that they would like,

2176
01:47:14,080 --> 01:47:16,200
Speaker 2: that's their utopia, that's what they would like to be,

2177
01:47:16,800 --> 01:47:19,320
Speaker 2: but that ain't the world. And you know, this is

2178
01:47:19,360 --> 01:47:22,200
Speaker 2: the extreme case of somebody kind of the world running

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01:47:22,200 --> 01:47:24,120
Speaker 2: into a person and crushing their dreams.

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01:47:24,240 --> 01:47:26,840
Speaker 5: You know. Yeah, And my heart goes out a lot

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01:47:27,000 --> 01:47:31,839
Speaker 5: because it's almost like a perfect storm of things that happened.

2182
01:47:31,880 --> 01:47:35,240
Speaker 5: And being a mother and I don't know if this

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01:47:35,360 --> 01:47:37,200
Speaker 5: was a first child, my assumption that this was the

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01:47:37,240 --> 01:47:41,800
Speaker 5: first child, like child, Yeah, just the pressure of being

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01:47:41,920 --> 01:47:45,519
Speaker 5: a perfect mom and having a perfect pregnancy and just

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01:47:45,640 --> 01:47:46,720
Speaker 5: doing everything.

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01:47:46,560 --> 01:47:51,040
Speaker 4: Right and just being just everything to everybody. You're dealing

2188
01:47:51,040 --> 01:47:54,640
Speaker 4: with that pressure alone by self. Then to deal with

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01:47:54,720 --> 01:47:58,799
Speaker 4: the pressure of you know, do I give.

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01:48:00,520 --> 01:48:01,080
Speaker 2: Breastfeed?

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01:48:01,280 --> 01:48:03,720
Speaker 4: Do I you know, you just have anxiety.

2192
01:48:03,880 --> 01:48:07,520
Speaker 5: You're dealing with all these things, you know, and everybody's

2193
01:48:07,560 --> 01:48:11,040
Speaker 5: pregnancy is different, and that's very hard for women to understand. Yes,

2194
01:48:11,080 --> 01:48:14,480
Speaker 5: people can talk about their own personal experiences, but everybody's

2195
01:48:14,560 --> 01:48:19,320
Speaker 5: pregnancy is completely different. You have a very unique body,

2196
01:48:19,439 --> 01:48:22,679
Speaker 5: so your situation and circumstances might not be the same.

2197
01:48:22,720 --> 01:48:25,920
Speaker 5: That's why these groups are very dangerous because they're actually

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01:48:25,960 --> 01:48:29,599
Speaker 5: talking about one specific woman. Her experience and your experience

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01:48:29,880 --> 01:48:32,439
Speaker 5: could be completely different. There are some women they didn't

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01:48:32,439 --> 01:48:34,479
Speaker 5: have any labor plains. There are some women that had

2201
01:48:34,520 --> 01:48:36,400
Speaker 5: to use EPI dual. There are some women they went

2202
01:48:36,439 --> 01:48:37,600
Speaker 5: through c sections. You know.

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01:48:37,800 --> 01:48:40,479
Speaker 4: There are some women they have early births. Some women

2204
01:48:40,600 --> 01:48:44,160
Speaker 4: have births later, but they're being monitored like like it's

2205
01:48:44,280 --> 01:48:44,840
Speaker 4: not the same.

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01:48:44,960 --> 01:48:47,360
Speaker 5: And you know, my heart goes out because I can't

2207
01:48:47,360 --> 01:48:52,320
Speaker 5: even imagine you just wanting to be everything to everybody

2208
01:48:52,640 --> 01:48:55,920
Speaker 5: and having these outside forces of these people that actually.

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Speaker 4: Aren't directly.

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01:48:58,640 --> 01:49:00,760
Speaker 5: You don't really have relationships with, but you think you

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01:49:00,840 --> 01:49:03,320
Speaker 5: have a relationship in bonds with based off of the internet.

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01:49:03,800 --> 01:49:03,960
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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01:49:03,960 --> 01:49:06,400
Speaker 2: And I also want to emphasize before people write in

2214
01:49:06,560 --> 01:49:09,200
Speaker 2: because I know how fucking people are with their agendas.

2215
01:49:09,240 --> 01:49:12,400
Speaker 2: They hear shit, it don't fit into the perfect scenario

2216
01:49:12,560 --> 01:49:14,639
Speaker 2: that they wanted to fit into, so they think we're

2217
01:49:14,840 --> 01:49:18,840
Speaker 2: being like anti everything they're about. No, we know that

2218
01:49:18,920 --> 01:49:24,280
Speaker 2: black women suffer higher rates of mortality when it comes

2219
01:49:24,320 --> 01:49:28,479
Speaker 2: to giving birth. American women in general, even before you

2220
01:49:28,560 --> 01:49:32,920
Speaker 2: get to this race, suffer higher rates of mortality and

2221
01:49:33,720 --> 01:49:36,800
Speaker 2: birth giving. Those stats that started the article are real though,

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01:49:37,680 --> 01:49:41,320
Speaker 2: so it's not like the distrust doesn't come from nowhere.

2223
01:49:41,720 --> 01:49:45,120
Speaker 2: I always say this about the hotel people. I kind

2224
01:49:45,160 --> 01:49:48,200
Speaker 2: of feel bad for them. It doesn't mean that I,

2225
01:49:48,520 --> 01:49:50,160
Speaker 2: you know, would fuck with them on any level, but

2226
01:49:50,240 --> 01:49:54,160
Speaker 2: I kind of feel bad for them because essentially, the

2227
01:49:55,000 --> 01:50:00,720
Speaker 2: American oppression of black people has given up us a

2228
01:50:00,840 --> 01:50:03,880
Speaker 2: space in our brains to take root in these conspiracy theories,

2229
01:50:03,960 --> 01:50:07,760
Speaker 2: because we've had conspiracies done to us, right, and it's

2230
01:50:07,760 --> 01:50:10,040
Speaker 2: been and it's come out years later and it's like, oh,

2231
01:50:10,120 --> 01:50:13,479
Speaker 2: that was true. So the c the CIA did put

2232
01:50:15,720 --> 01:50:18,400
Speaker 2: crack into our community. They put cocaine into our communities

2233
01:50:18,479 --> 01:50:23,640
Speaker 2: to fund arms trades and shit like that. The Tuxisia,

2234
01:50:23,920 --> 01:50:29,200
Speaker 2: the Tuskegee experiments, it's real, you know, letting people live

2235
01:50:29,320 --> 01:50:32,800
Speaker 2: secretly without telling them, but letting them live with syphilis

2236
01:50:33,240 --> 01:50:35,840
Speaker 2: that could have been cured for decades until some of

2237
01:50:35,880 --> 01:50:40,200
Speaker 2: these people died. So these things take hold in our

2238
01:50:40,439 --> 01:50:43,360
Speaker 2: in our psyche, and then we end up being these

2239
01:50:43,400 --> 01:50:46,120
Speaker 2: people that are like And that's why Kobe was killed

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01:50:46,160 --> 01:50:49,800
Speaker 2: by you know, the That's why he was killed by

2241
01:50:50,040 --> 01:50:53,160
Speaker 2: the Big nig or whatever the fuck, right, And that's

2242
01:50:53,240 --> 01:50:57,719
Speaker 2: the thing with with this these women found this place

2243
01:50:57,800 --> 01:51:01,840
Speaker 2: online because reality is scary enough. So then they went

2244
01:51:02,040 --> 01:51:05,200
Speaker 2: and and and and. The thing for the Internet is

2245
01:51:06,080 --> 01:51:09,040
Speaker 2: the phrase within reason doesn't really exist on the Internet.

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01:51:09,520 --> 01:51:12,800
Speaker 2: It exists in real life, right in real life, dealing

2247
01:51:12,840 --> 01:51:16,360
Speaker 2: with actual human beings and scenarios. Very few times it's

2248
01:51:16,400 --> 01:51:18,599
Speaker 2: something that's black and whitest, and in that moment everything

2249
01:51:18,680 --> 01:51:21,760
Speaker 2: became this person became this type of they were great,

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01:51:21,840 --> 01:51:24,080
Speaker 2: all a hero, all the villain, right, No, most of

2251
01:51:24,160 --> 01:51:25,439
Speaker 2: the time we're like, no.

2252
01:51:25,720 --> 01:51:25,760
Speaker 4: This.

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01:51:26,160 --> 01:51:29,439
Speaker 2: It reminds me of the the black man who uh

2254
01:51:30,439 --> 01:51:34,679
Speaker 2: tried he stopped the shooter in waffle house Jane something,

2255
01:51:34,760 --> 01:51:37,040
Speaker 2: and everybody was like, he's a hero. He got shot

2256
01:51:37,080 --> 01:51:38,559
Speaker 2: through the hands and da da dah, and they asked

2257
01:51:38,640 --> 01:51:40,360
Speaker 2: him in the interview, it's like I was trying to

2258
01:51:40,400 --> 01:51:43,439
Speaker 2: get shot, Like it was like it like I didn't

2259
01:51:43,479 --> 01:51:45,800
Speaker 2: do that, Like I didn't like run in and dive

2260
01:51:45,880 --> 01:51:48,439
Speaker 2: on this dude because I was like, this motherfucker's killing people,

2261
01:51:48,960 --> 01:51:51,560
Speaker 2: trying to stop him killing more people, you know. And

2262
01:51:51,680 --> 01:51:55,320
Speaker 2: I think that's the part that where it's like he

2263
01:51:55,560 --> 01:51:58,880
Speaker 2: wasn't trying to be batman, and he also wasn't you know,

2264
01:51:59,240 --> 01:52:02,920
Speaker 2: necessarily being like fuck them other people like, but it

2265
01:52:03,040 --> 01:52:04,840
Speaker 2: was just somewhere in the middle, and that's where things

2266
01:52:04,880 --> 01:52:08,000
Speaker 2: are quote unquote within reason. And I feel like the

2267
01:52:08,120 --> 01:52:12,479
Speaker 2: internet is very much like fuck within reason. Right, we're

2268
01:52:12,520 --> 01:52:14,760
Speaker 2: black and white, and so that's how you can have

2269
01:52:15,040 --> 01:52:17,760
Speaker 2: forty four weeks and people have just been like, cause,

2270
01:52:17,880 --> 01:52:21,240
Speaker 2: let me tell you something. It's quote unquote realist. Relationships

2271
01:52:21,240 --> 01:52:24,840
Speaker 2: fell online. It don't take shit to just Hey guys,

2272
01:52:25,080 --> 01:52:28,040
Speaker 2: I went to I'm really struggling. It's been forty four weeks.

2273
01:52:28,040 --> 01:52:30,479
Speaker 2: I don't know what's happening with this baby. I'm starting

2274
01:52:30,479 --> 01:52:33,240
Speaker 2: to feel like maybe I should go see a doctor. No, girl, don't.

2275
01:52:33,800 --> 01:52:38,680
Speaker 2: They don't take click enter send, that takes nothing if

2276
01:52:38,720 --> 01:52:39,400
Speaker 2: it don't work out.

2277
01:52:39,520 --> 01:52:42,439
Speaker 4: Oh, I'm so sorry that That's my whole point. All

2278
01:52:42,479 --> 01:52:44,559
Speaker 4: you're gonna get I'm fucking sorry for your loss.

2279
01:52:44,720 --> 01:52:48,479
Speaker 2: Like that's all you're gonna get, sad emoji, you know

2280
01:52:48,479 --> 01:52:48,680
Speaker 2: what I.

2281
01:52:48,720 --> 01:52:52,120
Speaker 4: Mean, right, because they have no investment in you or

2282
01:52:52,200 --> 01:52:53,920
Speaker 4: your child, you know.

2283
01:52:54,160 --> 01:52:59,200
Speaker 2: So I'm definitely not trying to be like, don't listen

2284
01:52:59,240 --> 01:53:01,679
Speaker 2: to nobody, don't don't get no advice or what I'm

2285
01:53:01,760 --> 01:53:06,320
Speaker 2: just saying within reason, right, Like, there's like I don't

2286
01:53:06,720 --> 01:53:09,360
Speaker 2: like even in some because we talk about it with

2287
01:53:09,439 --> 01:53:12,360
Speaker 2: vaccinations and ship where it's like DoD you don't have

2288
01:53:12,560 --> 01:53:17,160
Speaker 2: to be so anti the government or anti the doctors

2289
01:53:17,280 --> 01:53:19,839
Speaker 2: or anti this that you basically end up fucking yourself

2290
01:53:19,920 --> 01:53:22,479
Speaker 2: up and everybody else within reason.

2291
01:53:22,800 --> 01:53:24,200
Speaker 3: There's a reason that the people.

2292
01:53:24,000 --> 01:53:26,080
Speaker 2: In your life that care about you might hip you

2293
01:53:26,200 --> 01:53:28,800
Speaker 2: to something differently than somebody that don't got to go

2294
01:53:28,800 --> 01:53:32,120
Speaker 2: to your funeral, you know what I mean, Like, so

2295
01:53:32,840 --> 01:53:34,639
Speaker 2: I think, and then that and then the worst part

2296
01:53:34,680 --> 01:53:37,280
Speaker 2: about all of this is then she has this isolating

2297
01:53:37,320 --> 01:53:40,600
Speaker 2: effect afterwards because you have to let that community go

2298
01:53:41,080 --> 01:53:43,439
Speaker 2: because one, you don't fit in their story no more,

2299
01:53:43,520 --> 01:53:46,360
Speaker 2: you can get the fuck on. And then two they

2300
01:53:46,400 --> 01:53:49,599
Speaker 2: don't fit in yours, and now you don't you don't

2301
01:53:49,680 --> 01:53:52,760
Speaker 2: have those bridges and those those those people outside of

2302
01:53:52,800 --> 01:53:55,599
Speaker 2: you that that are your network in real life, because

2303
01:53:55,640 --> 01:53:58,320
Speaker 2: you spent so much time investing in this place that's

2304
01:53:58,400 --> 01:54:01,880
Speaker 2: not really real. You know, it's a digital place. So

2305
01:54:02,080 --> 01:54:04,479
Speaker 2: that's just that's just that's just wild to me, man.

2306
01:54:06,320 --> 01:54:09,240
Speaker 2: But yeah, man, I just thought that was an interesting

2307
01:54:09,360 --> 01:54:11,519
Speaker 2: read and it just made me think about all those

2308
01:54:11,560 --> 01:54:14,200
Speaker 2: different articles, I mean issues.

2309
01:54:14,080 --> 01:54:16,160
Speaker 5: Right, And that's the thing you're talking about this, but

2310
01:54:16,320 --> 01:54:18,280
Speaker 5: a lot of this can extend to other things. A

2311
01:54:18,320 --> 01:54:21,519
Speaker 5: lot of people have had fallouts online for other things,

2312
01:54:21,640 --> 01:54:24,840
Speaker 5: be it their political arguments online, be it you know,

2313
01:54:25,120 --> 01:54:26,560
Speaker 5: social activists and stuff like that.

2314
01:54:26,720 --> 01:54:28,040
Speaker 4: Like we've seen it in real life.

2315
01:54:28,080 --> 01:54:31,000
Speaker 5: Where people are big into these groups and communities, something

2316
01:54:31,040 --> 01:54:33,400
Speaker 5: happens as a shift, there's a change all of a sudden,

2317
01:54:33,680 --> 01:54:36,560
Speaker 5: there's a turn. Now you have to separate yourself from

2318
01:54:36,640 --> 01:54:39,400
Speaker 5: the from the collection of a group and community that

2319
01:54:39,480 --> 01:54:41,000
Speaker 5: you've built. You really have to cut them off and

2320
01:54:41,120 --> 01:54:41,960
Speaker 5: isolate yourself.

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01:54:42,280 --> 01:54:44,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like I said, don't write up here trying

2322
01:54:44,280 --> 01:54:47,680
Speaker 2: and say we against free birth or we think it's

2323
01:54:47,760 --> 01:54:50,480
Speaker 2: okay that people die in childbirth in the hospital. We're

2324
01:54:50,520 --> 01:54:53,760
Speaker 2: not saying any of that shit. No, even you know,

2325
01:54:53,840 --> 01:54:56,560
Speaker 2: every stat were ready to begin in necessarean sections having

2326
01:54:56,600 --> 01:55:00,480
Speaker 2: an alarming rate in America, Like totally understand to get it.

2327
01:55:01,200 --> 01:55:04,440
Speaker 2: It's really just more sad than anything that because it

2328
01:55:04,520 --> 01:55:07,680
Speaker 2: feels like maybe this was preventable, but you never know,

2329
01:55:07,960 --> 01:55:11,360
Speaker 2: she could have wait to the hospital and lost her child.

2330
01:55:11,600 --> 01:55:14,560
Speaker 2: You know, she could have died in childbirth. But there's

2331
01:55:14,600 --> 01:55:17,240
Speaker 2: just something kind of sad about the idea of people

2332
01:55:17,320 --> 01:55:19,480
Speaker 2: that will egg you on to the edge of oblivion

2333
01:55:20,040 --> 01:55:22,320
Speaker 2: if it fits their agenda, right, and it seems like

2334
01:55:22,360 --> 01:55:23,200
Speaker 2: that happens.

2335
01:55:22,880 --> 01:55:26,480
Speaker 5: More and more, Yes, because the thing is, the Internet

2336
01:55:27,160 --> 01:55:30,520
Speaker 5: doesn't give a fuck about your your mental state. They

2337
01:55:30,560 --> 01:55:32,880
Speaker 5: don't give They don't care about your spiritual state, they

2338
01:55:32,880 --> 01:55:34,440
Speaker 5: don't care about your emotional state.

2339
01:55:35,080 --> 01:55:37,040
Speaker 4: That you know, a lot of them don't here, A

2340
01:55:37,080 --> 01:55:37,320
Speaker 4: lot of.

2341
01:55:37,320 --> 01:55:39,320
Speaker 5: Them is I'm gonna use you till I can use

2342
01:55:39,360 --> 01:55:41,960
Speaker 5: you up as long as you fit my agenda, whatever

2343
01:55:42,080 --> 01:55:42,880
Speaker 5: the agenda is.

2344
01:55:43,000 --> 01:55:45,880
Speaker 4: And the second you don't, you are trash posable. You

2345
01:55:45,960 --> 01:55:46,879
Speaker 4: can get the hellon.

2346
01:55:47,400 --> 01:55:49,520
Speaker 5: But you know what, there are real people on the

2347
01:55:49,600 --> 01:55:51,520
Speaker 5: other side of that get the hell on, and nobody

2348
01:55:51,600 --> 01:55:54,040
Speaker 5: cares until you're the one cast out the group.

2349
01:55:54,400 --> 01:55:58,040
Speaker 2: Yep, all right, we talked about this long for a

2350
01:55:58,080 --> 01:55:59,800
Speaker 2: long period time. I didn't mean to talk about it,

2351
01:56:00,200 --> 01:56:03,440
Speaker 2: but I didn't want to do a half assed story

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Speaker 2: on that because I thought it was really important here

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Speaker 2: and relates to so many other things. So let's do

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Speaker 2: soword ratchiness and wrap up. We'll do more fun stuff tomorrow. Yes,

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Speaker 2: sword ratching this time. Y'all always talk about the people

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01:56:34,880 --> 01:56:37,520
Speaker 2: that's out here doing stuff with these sores A man

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01:56:37,640 --> 01:56:41,360
Speaker 2: has been jailed over sword threat by robbery. A man

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Speaker 2: who robbed a school boy of his bike while holding

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Speaker 2: a three foot long Samurai sow it has been jailed

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Speaker 2: for four and a half years.

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Speaker 4: Cool boy, this's deffinitely not in the United States.

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Speaker 2: Jamie Wilson approached a thirteen year old and the Carlile

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Speaker 2: Carlyles Keenan Park, but asked for a look at the

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Speaker 2: bicycle before were pulling off, pulling out the sword. Oh shit,

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Speaker 2: he was under the influence of alcoholic cocaine at the time.

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Speaker 4: Oh both, I mean, how do you think this? How

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Speaker 4: do you think this happened? Boy? Let me look at

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Speaker 4: that bike. Hm. Well, mister, I was told to say no.

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Speaker 4: The strangers already sh you know, that's that's mine. That's

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Speaker 4: how I imagine, you know, like anime. I imagine that's

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Speaker 4: how you saw what's coming out.

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Speaker 2: The thirty one year old had denied the robbery and

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Speaker 2: bladed article possession charges. Uh. The incident took place the

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Speaker 2: twenty eighth of August last year, and the youngster was

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Speaker 2: with the bike was with a friend in the Harrowby

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Speaker 2: area of the city. Giving evidence, the boy, now age fourteen,

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Speaker 2: said he been shocked, asking why he let Wilson of

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Speaker 2: Miller's court Bocher be botcher by bocherb anyway take the bike.

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Speaker 2: He added, because he had that sword. Yeah, what kind

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Speaker 2: of question is that?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 2: The fire that lawyer, the motherfucker is out of terrible

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Speaker 2: And why'd you let him take the bike? Because I

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Speaker 2: don't want to fucking die. Wilson rode off in a

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Speaker 2: different base. Sickle he had with him was taken home

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Speaker 2: by the boys, so he already had a bike until

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Speaker 2: I guess he just maybe that won't have baseball cars

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Speaker 2: in it or something.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: So he's like, oh, I like these folks, let me

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Speaker 2: get your bike.

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Speaker 3: The court her he claimed he had merely swapped bikes

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Speaker 3: with the youngster at sore point.

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Speaker 4: Ah.

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Speaker 2: Jeff Smith defending the court, Wilson's uh, the court and

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Speaker 2: this this.

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Speaker 4: Is a grown ass man. Why just walking back to

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Speaker 4: little kid?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 3: Jeff Smith defending the court.

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Speaker 2: Oh wait, Jeff Smith defending told the court Wilson's life

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Speaker 2: had been spiraling out of control in that time he

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01:58:40,360 --> 01:58:42,680
Speaker 2: was in at that time, he was in a very

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Speaker 2: bad place.

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Speaker 4: The fuck that kid got to do with it?

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Speaker 2: White, he was all He was also citings for possessing

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Speaker 2: cocaine and cannabis, which were found by police when he

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Speaker 2: was arrested. They jailed him for fifty four months. Oh man,

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Speaker 2: fifty four months. It's a long time just for pulling

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Speaker 2: the sword on the kids. It good. Recorder Richard Archer said,

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Speaker 2: it is clear to me that it's not a shred

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Speaker 2: of remorse full put that boy and his friend through.

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Speaker 2: Mm hmm hmmm. All right, y'all. That's it for the

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Speaker 2: day's episode. We appreciate y'all listening, and we'll be back

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Speaker 2: later on with more episodes this week. Until then, I

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Speaker 2: love you.