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Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George

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Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong, Joe Getty.

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Speaker 2: I'm Strong and Jettie, and he.

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Speaker 3: Armstrong and Getty, but also that my show had value,

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Speaker 3: and that I'm sorry that then what I was doing

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Speaker 3: head value, he value and in the end, I'm sorry,

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Speaker 1: We need the disclaimer that I realized most of you

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Speaker 1: don't watch cable news, and those of you who do

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Speaker 1: watch cable news don't watch MSNBC. And even if you

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Speaker 1: watched him as a MESSNBC as I do, you don't

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Speaker 1: watch joy Reid, which I never have. I've only ever

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Speaker 1: seen the clips coming out of there because they're so crazy,

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Speaker 1: because she's a not like an absolute crazy person, and

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Speaker 1: she's been canceled by her own network.

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Speaker 2: Far left, race baiting, racist and lunatic Joy Reads show

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Speaker 2: has been canceled out of sheer misogyny and racism by MSNBC.

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Speaker 2: According to MSNBC hosts, I think national tragedy.

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Speaker 1: I think, as a guy who's taken in quite a

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Speaker 1: bit of cable news over the years, and it's definitely

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Speaker 1: a dying thing. I mean, the ratings are so low,

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Speaker 1: you know, you could question whether it's even worth commenting

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Speaker 1: on the ratings or so well, we're talking hundreds of

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Speaker 1: these low rated shows. I mean, it's really I mean,

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Speaker 1: they're way smaller than you know, medium sized radio shows

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Speaker 2: Way smaller. But she for.

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Speaker 1: Having, you know, of the three big cable networks, big

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Speaker 1: Bigan quotes MSNBCC in Fox, Fox actually is pretty decent size,

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Speaker 1: but CNN in MSNBC, I think of all those, she's

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Speaker 1: the most extreme everyday hoax that has ever existed, wouldn't

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Speaker 1: you agree?

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Speaker 2: I don't know who hate her? I mean, because she's

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Speaker 2: way out there. Oh yeah, she's she's an absolute race baiting,

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Speaker 2: wacked do socialist. Yeah, oh yeah, she is a racist.

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Speaker 2: I mean to her core. I'm trying to find the

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Speaker 2: quote from Andrew Styles in The Free Beacon who said

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Speaker 2: two thirds of her audience whereas it is memory care

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Speaker 2: something like that. That's dismissive and unfair. And I don't

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Speaker 2: appreciate it. Let's see, he writes, never mind.

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Speaker 1: Well, she clips from I don't know have they announced

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Speaker 1: who they're replacing her with.

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Speaker 2: Oh, there it is, Uh, I think is Jen Saki.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's right, that's right, that's right. They did say

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Speaker 1: I was just going to point out that, Uh, when

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Speaker 1: when she got fired, there was I saw on social media.

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Speaker 1: There was some you know, MSNBC is gonna try a

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Speaker 1: different thing or turn a different direction or realize blah

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Speaker 2: There's no, there's no. That doesn't necessarily have to be

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Speaker 1: We're we're in the business, and uh, you just have

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Speaker 1: to get ratings and generate revenue through advertisers. The people

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Speaker 1: care what you're saying. That you that you just need

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Speaker 1: to bring in enough people that it makes money. So

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Speaker 1: you know, she just not bringing in enough people doesn't

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Speaker 1: mean they're changing direction.

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Speaker 2: Found one clip from Styles that I Loved or quote

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Speaker 2: viewed they. He mentions that MSNBC was poised to announce

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Speaker 2: major programming changes that would reflect the network's eagerness to

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Speaker 2: quote maintain its progressive stance, rather than trying to tack

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Speaker 2: towards middle ground. That's an actual quote from MSBC, So

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Speaker 2: they're making it clear they're absolutely not going to viewed

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Speaker 2: in this context. Canceling Reid's show was a logical step,

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Speaker 2: given the host's reputation for sober analysis and pragmatic centrism,

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Speaker 2: not to mention her preternatural ability to connect with normal,

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Speaker 2: working class Americans as some finally toned sarcasm during the

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Speaker 2: twenty two election. For example, Reid was one of the

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Speaker 2: first media personalities to acknowledge that the word inflation quote

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Speaker 2: is not part of the normal lexicon for most Americans

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Speaker 2: until nefarious Republicans quote taught people the word in order

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Speaker 1: You've got to be kidding, No, she told me said,

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Speaker 1: and she's closer to our age than not. I mean,

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, Well, she's a professional liar and maist

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Speaker 2: Marxist lie all the time. Read channel the exactnxiety as

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Speaker 2: of working Americans who could not believe that Kamala Harris

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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty when a Latino congressman suggested that latinex

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Speaker 2: I just looked up joy Read's fifty six.

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Speaker 1: So she's in our age group where you remember the

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Speaker 1: seventies and inflation. Gerald Ford ran for president of nineteen

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Speaker 1: seventy six on win whip inflation. Now, so her acting

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Speaker 1: like that it's a newly made up term to Joe Biden, Wow,

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Speaker 1: does she believe that stuff?

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Speaker 2: Did she believe that stuff? Let's let this sage speak

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Speaker 2: for herself. Clip seventeen, please, Michael, from March of twenty twenty.

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Speaker 4: And so here we are again with conservatism, at least

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Speaker 4: among a certain cohort of white guys, now rooting itself

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Speaker 4: in the idea that even during a pandemic, then screaming

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Speaker 4: men and women have the God given right to get

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Speaker 4: those rights which they claim were conferred upon them by

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Speaker 4: God require a disproportionately black and brown labor force to

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Speaker 4: return to work, get back on the wheel, and risk

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Speaker 4: death in order to serve them and return them to

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Speaker 2: Boy, what do you prefer, the mockery of the idea

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Speaker 2: of liberty or the somehow deciding it was racial that

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Speaker 2: white people wanted to exercise their liberty and they're served

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Speaker 2: disproportionately by black and brown people, As if even if

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Speaker 2: that were true, that would negate the first part of it.

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Speaker 2: That's some perverse thinking.

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Speaker 1: Ye, But wait, the main reason you wanted to end

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Speaker 1: shut downs with businesses or schools or anything like this

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Speaker 1: because brown and black people, I don't care if they

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Speaker 2: I need to be served as a white man. That's right,

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Speaker 2: next clip my.

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Speaker 4: We've seen a growing movement to reframe how American history

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Speaker 4: is taught in public schools. Well, some parents are opposed

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Speaker 4: to critical race theory as new curriculum art to please.

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Speaker 5: Just because I do not want critical race theory taught

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Speaker 4: This just another example of Republicans turning kids into a

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Speaker 4: wedge issue, just like their politically motivated attacks on transgender

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Speaker 2: Now, notice, because this is a masterclass, if you will,

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Speaker 2: in the method of twisting well motivated actions policy thoughts

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Speaker 2: like wanting to protect your little girl from having the

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Speaker 2: is actually hate of It's a great example of the

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Speaker 2: anti racism thing. You say. I don't think critical rat

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Speaker 2: theory should be taught in school, absolutely proves you are

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Speaker 2: a racist. She has an evil presence, but that's not

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Speaker 2: the way Rachel Madeau sees it. With nineteen Michael.

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Speaker 6: Even bigger programming change is at seven pm seven pm Eastern,

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Speaker 6: where Joy Reads show the readout ended tonight and Joy

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Speaker 6: is not taking a different job in the network, she

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Speaker 6: is leaving the network altogether. And that is very, very,

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Speaker 6: very hard to take. I am fifty one years old.

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Speaker 6: I have been gainfully employed since I was twelve, and

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Speaker 6: I have had so many different kinds of jobs. You

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Speaker 6: wouldn't believe me if I told you. But in all

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Speaker 6: of the jobs I have had, in all of the

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Speaker 6: Joy Read. I love everything about her. I have learned

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Speaker 6: so much from her. I have so much more to

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Speaker 6: learn from her. I do not want to lose her

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Speaker 6: as a colleague here at MSNBC, And personally, I think

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Speaker 6: it is a bad mistake to let her walk out

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Speaker 6: the door. It is not my call and I understand that,

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Speaker 6: but that's what I think.

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Speaker 2: Well, that is really interesting. Her show is garbage that

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Speaker 2: nobody watches. And there's more from Rachel, but go ahead.

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Speaker 1: But she's a she's a racist socialist, and Rachel Maddow

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Speaker 1: says she's never, you know, learned, not learned more from

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Speaker 2: She said. It's just it's why Trump won.

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Speaker 1: The left, the left that gets all the attention is

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Speaker 1: so far from the mainstream, and they don't know it.

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Speaker 2: Yes, they think amish, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah exactly.

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Speaker 1: They think they're center left when they're so far away

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Speaker 1: from the mainstream. I don't know, I don't know why

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Speaker 3: Then.

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Speaker 2: Well, Rachel was far from over when she said it

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Speaker 2: was merely unwise, in a mistake to let her walk.

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Speaker 2: What could have motivated such evil.

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Speaker 6: Will tell you it is also unnerving to see that

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Speaker 6: no matter who replaces now, that feels indefensible, and I

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Speaker 2: The best thing that could conceivably happen to conservatism the country,

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Speaker 2: the health of the culture, is for these people not

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Speaker 1: Well, and Rachel, I think you know from being in

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Speaker 1: the business. If you get listeners, viewers, readers, you stay employed.

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Speaker 2: If you don't, you don't the end because of racism, misogyny.

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Speaker 1: Well, do you tell me if you think this is

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Speaker 1: right or not. I think Fox is I always look

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Speaker 1: I feel like MSNBC is it like the.

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Speaker 2: Three to five yard line.

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Speaker 1: Way over on the left side of the field, whereas

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Speaker 1: Fox is probably more like the thirty yard line.

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Speaker 2: I think the field, yeah, yeah, it's it's a center

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Speaker 2: right channel. Now, some of the hosts are more overtly

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Speaker 2: it's pretty center right. Oh worth mentioning this, I have

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Speaker 2: dismissively mocked Miss Reid's show, as I think a piece

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Speaker 2: of crap nobody watches. Last Thursday's episode of The read

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Speaker 2: Out drew just fifty nine thousand viewers in the twenty

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Speaker 2: million people. It's amazing that anybody knows her name at all,

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Speaker 2: as you've pointed out, and it speaks to the fact

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Speaker 2: that cable news used to be of significance. It has

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Speaker 2: an outsized influence in Washington, d C. Which is the

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Speaker 2: only reason to even our pay attention up until recently.

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Speaker 1: Partially because our so many of our electric elected officials

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Speaker 2: Old they think cable news is a bigger deal. I

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Speaker 2: would argue that as of now, there's no point in

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Speaker 2: paying attention to cable news or like sixty minutes. Sixty

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Speaker 2: It's watched by old people, and only a few of them. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: I want to finish this. The readout drew fifty nine

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Speaker 2: Only twenty five percent of participants fully maintained the two

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Speaker 2: week mobile internet block, but even those who reduced their

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Speaker 2: usage showed improvements. So wow, seventy five percent flaked either

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Speaker 2: a little or a lot, they just stopped. This suggests

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Speaker 2: that less extreme approaches, such as time limited internet blocking,

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Speaker 2: could still provide significant benefits.

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about this more, maybe in the

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Speaker 1: One More Thing podcast, because I'm trying to lay down

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Speaker 1: some rules for my kids as they get older and

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Speaker 1: more involved in texting and smartphones and all that sort

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Speaker 1: of stuff, and man, it's tough.

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Speaker 2: I think it is good because there's a little more data,

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Speaker 2: and I love the idea. We can talk about this

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Speaker 2: in the One More Thing podcast. But as I look

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Speaker 2: at some of the data and some of the pros,

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Speaker 2: some of the cons and some of the behaviors of

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Speaker 2: people in the study, it is one hundred percent it

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Speaker 2: is you're an alcoholic, you're a cocaine addict. You are

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Speaker 2: fully cognizant that you ought not to drink any of

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Speaker 2: your nec But for instance, you can't stop sexing up

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Speaker 2: the corpse. You but you can't stop, even though you

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Speaker 2: know you should practically universally, Well, they don't care. No,

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, Look what I gotta work with, folks.

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Speaker 2: This is important and and funny boy over here won't

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Speaker 2: stop abusing corpses. I'll take your silences, consent any o. Lord,

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Speaker 2: I give up, I give up, give up. I was

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Speaker 2: gonna save your life and your soul and your happiness,

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Speaker 2: but Jack is ruined it all. I quit.

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Speaker 1: Michael, Well, there's that There's there's no way to measure.

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Speaker 1: And this is what I think people miss it is

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Speaker 1: there's no way to measure the interactions that don't happen.

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Speaker 2: So this idea of like at the airport.

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Speaker 1: I was at the airport the other day for my

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Speaker 1: birthday trip, and everybody's standing around the gate waiting for

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Speaker 1: them to say line up in you know, a's one

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Speaker 1: through fifteen.

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Speaker 2: And everybody's staring at their phone.

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Speaker 1: If we weren't staring at our phone, you might strike

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Speaker 1: up a conversation with the person next to you. And

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Speaker 1: you have no idea where that would go or who

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Speaker 1: would you meet or whatever like that, and we don't.

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Speaker 1: There's no way to measure all those interactions that don't happen.

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Speaker 2: Eighty percent of people under thirty are worried they use

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Speaker 2: smartphones too much, and few have and few have done

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Speaker 2: anything concrete to cut their use.

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Speaker 1: I'm surprised that they're worried about it, since they've grown

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Speaker 1: up with them. I've always tended to think that's those

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Speaker 1: of us in the older generation who at least live

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Speaker 1: the life without them. My kids have no idea what

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Speaker 1: life is like without the smartphone. I remember standing alone

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Speaker 1: in the airport waiting for them to call your name,

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Speaker 1: and people might talk, or at least you're alone with

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Speaker 1: your thoughts or whatever. But it wasn't everybody staring at

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Speaker 1: a ice.

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Speaker 2: You want to dage your brain ten years down the smartphone.

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Speaker 1: Wow, that is interesting, my mole in the government, I

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Speaker 1: need to pass that information along. I think you'll find

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Speaker 1: this to be good news, among other things on the way.

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Speaker 4: Numerous times today, President Trump expressed confidence that this war

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Speaker 4: could really, in reality end in.

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Speaker 2: A few weeks. Can you share that confidence? I hope so.

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Speaker 1: That is France's President Macrone with Bear on Fox yesterday,

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Speaker 1: he went with, I hope so, and the war between

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Speaker 1: Ukraine and Russia could be over in.

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Speaker 2: A couple of weeks.

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Speaker 1: But I want to get this on because I haven't

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Speaker 1: heard it yet. This is Mark Theeson of the Washington

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Speaker 1: Post explaining the mineral deal because I don't quite get

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Speaker 1: what's going on there.

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Speaker 8: The minerals deal is actually more important than the peace deal.

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Speaker 8: When that mineral deal is a signed, you, Russia has

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Speaker 8: lost the war because Putin's goal was to conquer Ukraine

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Speaker 8: and throw years later. The end result is the US

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Speaker 8: is going into business with Ukraine. We are investing literally,

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Speaker 8: not figuratively, billions and billions of dollars in a deal

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Speaker 8: with with with the Ukrainians. If Russia takes over Ukraine,

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Speaker 8: Putin is not going to pay US hundreds of billions

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Speaker 8: of dollars for the weapons that we gave Ukraine to

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Speaker 8: fight his troops. The only way that we get the

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Speaker 8: hundreds of billions of dollars that Trump is negotiating right

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Speaker 8: now is if Ukraine remains a free, sovereign, independent nation

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Speaker 8: with whom we're doing business. And when this deal is struck,

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Speaker 8: I mean, I know, for Trump has said he's going

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Speaker 8: to have the earth movers and the tractors going in.

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Speaker 8: People are saying, there's not They're not US troops involved.

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Speaker 8: He's sending something better, billions of dollars in US direct investment,

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Speaker 8: US bulldozers, US earth movers to dig up those minerals.

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Speaker 8: And you need to free you need free trade, you

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Speaker 8: need ports, you need to export them, and you need

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Speaker 8: peace in order to do that.

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Speaker 2: It has to be lasting.

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Speaker 1: And with the idea, I guess of no, you can't.

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Speaker 1: You know, if Russia decided to re attempt to grab

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Speaker 1: more land, we wouldn't put up with that because we

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Speaker 1: got our bulldozers and construction workers and everybody there.

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Speaker 2: Is that the theory, Uh, yeah, it is. And I

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Speaker 2: thought that was intriguing last night on Special Report with

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Speaker 2: pret Beer asked for the audio. The more I think

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Speaker 2: about it, though, to play out the scenario, Putin decided.

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Speaker 2: Putin says, yeah, I still want Ukraine, and the US

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Speaker 2: is not going to go to war with me. So

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Speaker 2: he moves in, and he maybe even cuts a different

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Speaker 2: deal for some of the minerals, but he just takes

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Speaker 2: what he wants. Unless you have the will to stop

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Speaker 2: a bully, a bully's gonna bully. I like Martisa, and

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Speaker 2: I is that point of view is not insane. But

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Speaker 2: if you lack the will to do what he hinted

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Speaker 2: we would do, which is defend our interests, then it

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Speaker 2: doesn't matter. It's a house of cards, paper tiger.

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Speaker 1: I guess that's a question. Would we lack the will

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Speaker 1: to defend those interests? I don't think. I'm not sure Trump.

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Speaker 2: Would and the next president, yeah, yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Okay, here's my mole in the who works for a

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Speaker 1: federal government agency?

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Speaker 2: And this only relates to the Department of digging holes

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Speaker 2: in yards?

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Speaker 1: The only relates to California stuff, but maybe in other

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Speaker 1: states too. So this memo went out. I won't say

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Speaker 1: what department this is, it's what are your really big ones?

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Speaker 1: This memo went out to all staff in this department,

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Speaker 1: subject California Civil Rights Advisory Committee to comply with the

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Speaker 1: attached to USDA. And then they go through a whole

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Speaker 1: bunch of different agencies and departments and all these different things.

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Speaker 2: List them all, I won't list them all.

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Speaker 1: All activities from the California Civil Rights Advisory Committee have

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Speaker 1: been ceased. What does that mean? I'll tell you what

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Speaker 1: that means. It means that all the as this person says,

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Speaker 1: all the useless hours that have been wasted in years

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Speaker 1: on webinars and meetings to celebrate everything like LGBTQ plus

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Speaker 1: Asian Pacific Island Day or month, Women's Month, or a

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Speaker 1: Black month or day brat, all these different things are

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Speaker 1: going away. All of those things are going away as

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Speaker 1: a directive of the Trump administration. You can't make in

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Speaker 1: California people do all that stuff. Yeah, we'll see you

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Speaker 1: think that will be challenging.

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Speaker 2: Uh No, I just think that wherever they can, people

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Speaker 2: will keep doing it in defiance of the law, or

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Speaker 2: create loopholes or pretend to be doing what they're supposed

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Speaker 2: to do but not doing it. That's the thing. These

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Speaker 2: people don't obey the law. They think their grand principles

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Speaker 2: are too important. I can't believe we.

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Speaker 1: Have government employees that we're paying doing all that stuff.

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Speaker 2: It's crazy. Thoughts down, strong, strong, ready, and.

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Speaker 3: Strong.

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Speaker 9: That's right.

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Speaker 1: Here's your final thought with your your host for final thoughts,

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Speaker 1: your let's.

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Speaker 2: Get a final talk from everybody on the crew to

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Speaker 2: wrap up the show. There is our technical director Michael Angelo.

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Speaker 2: He will lead us off.

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Speaker 9: Michael I have had the worst food craving in the

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Speaker 9: last day. Joe, you mentioned you love tacos, and now

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Speaker 9: I am stuck on the idea of I've got to

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Speaker 9: get some tacos today. It's just I've been thinking about

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Speaker 9: it all the show, the whole show long.

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Speaker 1: Do you have a fast food go to taco or

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Speaker 1: are you gonna make home tacos?

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Speaker 2: What are you gonna do?

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Speaker 9: I'll probably go to a fine restaurant and get some

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Speaker 9: good tacos.

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Speaker 2: There you go. Yeah, Oh, the delicious Mexican sandwich, the

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Speaker 2: taco Katy Green our steams use him as a final thought.

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Speaker 2: It's Katie's turn, Michael Katie final thought. Well, I'm just

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Speaker 2: gonna go along with Michael's thought.

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Speaker 6: Michael, you can do that because it is Tuesday, therefore

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Speaker 6: Taco Tuesday.

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Speaker 2: And now I want Taco bell crunchy tacos. So I

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Speaker 2: know that's not Mexican food.

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Speaker 1: That's the opposite of a fine restaurant, I know, but

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Speaker 1: they're so good.

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Speaker 2: And so cheap.

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Speaker 1: Jack a final thought for us, I will say, the

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Speaker 1: best tacos I've ever had in my life is any

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Speaker 1: of those tacos stamps in some tiny town in the

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Speaker 1: middle of nowhere in Mexico that costs you like a

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Speaker 1: dollar to eat till you're so full you can't eat anymore.

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Speaker 2: They got all the fresh ingredients and the making them

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Speaker 2: right there. Oh my gosh, that's some goody street tacos

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Speaker 2: they call them. Yes, just delightful. My final thought is

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Speaker 2: whether it's a government administrator like Jack was talking about,

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Speaker 2: or even a cop. If you don't like what they're doing,

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Speaker 2: point your finger aggressively at them and say I pay

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Speaker 2: your salary, because that is something they generally respond positively to.

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Speaker 2: Arms Strong in Getty wrapping them under. They're grueling, four

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Speaker 2: hour workday teachers. So oh yeah, so little time good

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Speaker 2: Armstrong in getty dot com a lot of great hot links,

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Speaker 2: what sages law check it out. See you tomorrow, God

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Speaker 2: bless America. I'm strong and get So what's different with you? Well,

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Speaker 2: I would say this, I'm going in.

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Speaker 1: You made it rights riding a long time.

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Speaker 3: Ye.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, So let's go with a bang.

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Speaker 1: And scrotum watchers are going to be seen if the

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court takes that up.

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Speaker 2: Scotis Scotus is the generally uh usedtus acronym. I get

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Speaker 2: that mixed up all the time. Oh, that's that's got

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Speaker 2: to be uncomfortable. Thank you all very much, Armstrong and

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Speaker 2: Getty