Speaker 1: Do Do Do Do breaking news guys. I know we
Speaker 1: mentioned it a little bit last week, but we just
Speaker 1: wanted to reiterate that we are going on tour. We
Speaker 1: are so excited. Our first dates are coming up really soon.
Speaker 1: Like we're going to be in San Diego on September fifteenth,
Speaker 1: We're going to be in Los Angeles on September sixteenth,
Speaker 1: and then Texas we're coming to you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Austin, Dallas, and Houston, Bang bang bang end
Speaker 2: of September.
Speaker 3: We're really excited. You guys are obsessed with us.
Speaker 2: You've been begging us to come to your towns and
Speaker 2: we're doing it and I.
Speaker 3: Really can't wait. We have a good time traveling, you know. Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, in case you don't know, like because you've all
Speaker 1: like haven't been able to, I don't know, see any
Speaker 1: of the little clips of our live show or anything.
Speaker 1: Like all of our live shows are our episodes that
Speaker 1: aren't based on true crimes.
Speaker 3: They're like classic episodes. We do, games, we do.
Speaker 1: There's power points, Yeah, there's power point there's clips, all
Speaker 1: kinds of fun stuff. It's not just like going and
Speaker 1: watching us sit behind a card table and do the
Speaker 1: podcast like it's very different experience. And everybody that has
Speaker 1: brought what we call the drag along a boyfriend, a girlfriend,
Speaker 1: a best friend, a mom, an aunt that they that
Speaker 1: doesn't even watch us for you has all They always
Speaker 1: say they have a great time. So I think it's
Speaker 1: kind of a show for everyone, even if you're not
Speaker 1: into SVU or true crime.
Speaker 3: So give it a shop. Come and get get, get
Speaker 3: your friends out, come and see us.
Speaker 2: Yeah and yeah, we're gonna eat grilled cheeses backstage.
Speaker 3: We'll meet you after. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we do love to meet everybody after and take
Speaker 1: pics and do whatever.
Speaker 3: And we have some special merch.
Speaker 1: That we sell on the road that you can only
Speaker 1: get at our live shows.
Speaker 3: So come and join us. Go alone, that's another thing.
Speaker 2: I know, well are sometimes scared, but everyone that we've
Speaker 2: met that's gone along alone had a good time at
Speaker 2: a friend so we like that. Also, big shout out
Speaker 2: to Alex Drake, our friend who did make all the
Speaker 2: art where it looks incredible. So head over to our
Speaker 2: instagram too. We have a good time there.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So if you are interested in checking out our tour dates,
Speaker 1: please go to That's Messed Up Live dot com and
Speaker 1: check out when we're coming to a city near you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then obviously has to be you breaking news.
Speaker 2: We have comes to talk about Rollins.
Speaker 1: You know, we do most of our episodes in the
Speaker 1: time machine, So the episode that's coming out today was
Speaker 1: not going to talk about Rollins. And we just could
Speaker 1: not leave you guys hanging. So here we are with
Speaker 1: a special special reaction.
Speaker 2: So when Kara first sent me the desmois of like
Speaker 2: a tease of who's it gonna be, we did guess Rollins,
Speaker 2: but I assumed it was her choice. She's had enough,
Speaker 2: she wants new endeavors. And then today's desmois is some writing.
Speaker 2: A person in writing on the writing team Kara sent
Speaker 2: me is saying that Dick Wolf fired her.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that she's getting pushed out.
Speaker 1: To me, well, and who knows, who knows, But she
Speaker 1: said that the article, the article, the piece of blind gossip,
Speaker 1: said that she was getting kicked pushed out because she
Speaker 1: makes too much money. I mean, and that happens all
Speaker 1: the fucking time. When you get to a certain level,
Speaker 1: like you have to move up and up and up,
Speaker 1: when you're on a show for so many years, and
Speaker 1: when you get to a certain level, they're like well,
Speaker 1: we we have to pay Marishka this much, we have
Speaker 1: to pay so and so, you know, so maybe they
Speaker 1: were just like, we can't pay her this much anymore,
Speaker 1: which does suck.
Speaker 3: I did want her to leave on her own.
Speaker 1: I will also say I bet you that next season.
Speaker 1: And I think this might be controversial, and I don't
Speaker 1: want anyone to come for me. But I don't think
Speaker 1: you'll notice. I'm sorry, I don't think anyone will notice
Speaker 1: she's gone.
Speaker 2: Well, they're gonna have to address it in a way
Speaker 2: because Careesi is dating her and raising his her children.
Speaker 3: You don't know what I mean.
Speaker 1: They're gonna address it. Of course, of course they're gona
Speaker 1: a dress. I'm just saying, like next year, when you're
Speaker 1: watching episodes, you're never gonna be like I miss Rollins.
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone's gonna feel that way. I mean,
Speaker 1: some people will feel that way, but I think that
Speaker 1: I think that at this point, like she's almost backed
Speaker 1: up a little bit more. She's not as big of
Speaker 1: a character as she was a few seasons ago. I
Speaker 1: feel as though, and.
Speaker 3: That's not a hate.
Speaker 2: I just want me saying I don't like her to
Speaker 2: handle it like to me is Cariese gonna be like, ah,
Speaker 2: my wife's sat home, Like what's gonna happen?
Speaker 3: And this blank gossip said that dick.
Speaker 2: Wolf wanted to just murder her, and Marishka was like,
Speaker 2: absolutely not.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was interesting because that really says that really
Speaker 1: says you're never coming back, not even for like a
Speaker 1: guy and like he hasn't murdered Cabin, he hasn't murdered Novak,
Speaker 1: Like you know, there's few people that have been murdered
Speaker 1: to never go out.
Speaker 2: Like a Morrow gets to come back and you're gonna
Speaker 2: I mean the fact that I'm writing this hard for Rollins,
Speaker 2: but I'm like pissed at dick Wolf. It sickens me.
Speaker 2: I'm glad Marishka stood up for her. And one comment
Speaker 2: on her Instagram said that that she will get a
Speaker 2: happy ending.
Speaker 1: No, that that's what the I posted that too on
Speaker 1: our instagram too, that h Julie Martin, one of the
Speaker 1: executive producers, is like, Rollins is gonna be happy, So
Speaker 1: she's not going to be a stay at home mom.
Speaker 3: She's not getting killed. In my opinion, those are not happening.
Speaker 3: She is, her character.
Speaker 1: Is getting prom voted to like head of bronx SVU
Speaker 1: or something where maybe she can come back for like
Speaker 1: a coordinated case once in a blue, but she's not.
Speaker 1: I think they're keeping Careese, so I don't think they're
Speaker 1: leaving the state. People are like, maybe she's gonna start
Speaker 1: s few Atlanta.
Speaker 3: I don't think that.
Speaker 1: I think her and Caries you're staying together and she's
Speaker 1: just going to do something else.
Speaker 2: It's like, what you couldn't give her a hundred thousand
Speaker 2: extra dollars cut the fresh juices at fucking Crafty, Like
Speaker 2: I just am like sickened that you would do this
Speaker 2: to someone. And that's probably what happened to Maloney when
Speaker 2: he left, you know, that was like a contract thing.
Speaker 1: So well, yeah, and I've seen it happen though where
Speaker 1: I've seen that happen with writers and producers too, where
Speaker 1: it's like they're on these shows that like they just
Speaker 1: get higher and higher in their level and then they're like,
Speaker 1: we actually just like cannot keep paying you more and more,
Speaker 1: like you're too expensive.
Speaker 3: You know, it.
Speaker 1: Sucks because they're like I did see I said this
Speaker 1: to Lisa in a text, like I saw they were
Speaker 1: bringing on this other actor who I guess is from
Speaker 1: queen of the South, this woman, and she's like a
Speaker 1: white woman. And I was like, they got rid of
Speaker 1: de More Barnes, they got rid of Cat, they're bringing
Speaker 1: on another white lady. But I guess it makes a
Speaker 1: little bit more sense if they're getting rid of Rolins,
Speaker 1: like she's going to be like a replacement for her,
Speaker 1: But they still could have gone with somebody a little
Speaker 1: bit more.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But like when I found out about it yesterday, I
Speaker 2: was happy she's leaving. Maybe she wants to be with
Speaker 2: her kids and the dot like, maybe she wants to
Speaker 2: be Tale. Like in my head, I was like, maybe
Speaker 2: she has another show or she wants to.
Speaker 3: Do moo, like who knows. And now knowing that it.
Speaker 2: Was like not on her terms, really like sours it
Speaker 2: for me. But hopefully the writers give us some good,
Speaker 2: good episodes.
Speaker 1: The SVU writers room just started following us on Twitter.
Speaker 1: Maybe DM them and get some inside scoop.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're so active on Twitter anyway. We just wanted
Speaker 3: to react. I am. I don't say anything I'm saying
Speaker 3: out of Rollins hate. I like Rawlins.
Speaker 1: She's actually really grown on me. I think she's a
Speaker 1: good character. I just don't think that she's now that
Speaker 1: she's in this happy relationship. We don't have the gambling problems.
Speaker 1: We really don't know the Kim pro problems.
Speaker 3: No, that means Kim won't come back.
Speaker 2: I thought we're going to have a nice Kim by
Speaker 2: polar events, you know, special events. She's changed, she's better,
Speaker 2: she's out of jail, she takes care of her child
Speaker 2: like I also was hoping for a nice ending sort
Speaker 2: of speak for Kim.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I just don't think anyone this time next year or like,
Speaker 1: you know, next November is going to be like where's
Speaker 1: rollind Like I think it's It feels to me like
Speaker 1: a natural close out for her.
Speaker 3: But I agree that I don't like your I don't
Speaker 3: like long time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and when you when I first heard it, I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, she's gonna go to another show, Like
Speaker 1: maybe she's like, I'm never gonna be Marishka on this show,
Speaker 1: so maybe I'll just go and try to find something else.
Speaker 3: But who knows. Anyway.
Speaker 1: That is our breaking news update, and now on to
Speaker 1: today's regularly scheduled episode of the.
Speaker 3: Law and Order Franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable.
Speaker 2: We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the
Speaker 2: vicious felonies. These episodes are based on. These are our stories, Dunn.
Speaker 3: What's up?
Speaker 2: It's That's Messed Up? An sv podcast. I'm Lisa and.
Speaker 3: I'm Kara, And every week, you know what we do.
Speaker 1: We talk about an episode of SVU, We talk about
Speaker 1: the true crimes based on and then we interview a
Speaker 1: fascinating person and oh, today's a good one.
Speaker 2: I'm it's someone I'm obsessed with. Yeah, we have a
Speaker 2: great one, but I'm gonna keep it under control of
Speaker 2: my recap so you can't guess who it is.
Speaker 3: Maybe you will. I don't know. I don't know. It's hard,
Speaker 3: it's my acting skills.
Speaker 1: We are obviously very deeply into the time machine because
Speaker 1: when this comes out, I probably am or I I
Speaker 1: just have to go to Vermont and be in the
Speaker 1: woods with my family. So so people have sent me
Speaker 1: this story that sounds like right out of an SVU
Speaker 1: because it's obviously deeply fucked up and messed up. And
Speaker 1: did you hear about this? This girl in Alabama was
Speaker 1: being held captive twelve years old, and she chewed through
Speaker 1: her restraints and got away and when the when they
Speaker 1: found her and the cops came to the place. There
Speaker 1: were two decomposing bodies in the house where she was
Speaker 1: being kept, one that died by smothering and one that
Speaker 1: was a juvenile that died by blunt force trauma and
Speaker 1: was cut into pieces.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, true.
Speaker 1: Crazy, Like let's see. Oh okay, wait, so now they've
Speaker 1: identified the bodies. It's one was a thirty four year
Speaker 1: old woman and the other is a boy under fourteen.
Speaker 1: So this guy has this little girl, though, is like
Speaker 1: a hero. She chewed through her restraints. They said it
Speaker 1: broke her braces. Oh my god, she's a survivor. There's
Speaker 1: gonna be an SVU. I don't I don't know.
Speaker 2: I'm like getting full chills, like yeah, even though we
Speaker 2: researched all this stuff all the time, like the fact
Speaker 2: that it just happened. Yeah, he just got out And
Speaker 2: the way you were talking, I thought it was you
Speaker 2: were going to say. And then the cops found her
Speaker 2: and didn't believe her and gave her back, like I
Speaker 2: truly was like.
Speaker 1: No, no, I would not be able to handle a
Speaker 1: story like that today or any day in the year
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two.
Speaker 3: No, I can't do that.
Speaker 1: But no, she is like a full she she led
Speaker 1: to this, So it's a mother and son who were
Speaker 1: found the bodies and then the girl.
Speaker 3: But it also says that the girl.
Speaker 1: I mean, when I originally was reading it, it didn't
Speaker 1: they wouldn't tell you how she was connected to the
Speaker 1: guy who took her, but that he wasn't unknown to her.
Speaker 1: So I don't know if she's if he's like a
Speaker 1: neighbor or like a creepy guy. But luckily, and he
Speaker 1: kept her like drugged. It's like horrible, but she got out.
Speaker 1: She's surrended and they got the guy, right, and they
Speaker 1: got the guy.
Speaker 3: They got him. He's going to jail.
Speaker 1: He's being charged with kidnapping, two counts of murder, and
Speaker 1: two counts of corpse abuse, which feels like, let's just
Speaker 1: get him in for.
Speaker 3: Murder, you know, I mean, I don't know. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 3: it seems like extra ruh.
Speaker 2: Why is necrophilia because there's no consent? Yeah yeah, what
Speaker 2: if like you're a creep and a weird relationship and
Speaker 2: your will you're like, listen, you.
Speaker 3: Can do whatever you want to my body.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great question to like, you can donate
Speaker 1: your body to science, but can you donate your body
Speaker 1: to sex yeah, like post dead sex worker, and then
Speaker 1: the money goes to your family or something.
Speaker 3: If you can I don't know, if you can have
Speaker 3: students poke.
Speaker 1: At it, yes, and then maybe these serial killers could
Speaker 1: just do that instead of killing people, you know, they
Speaker 1: could just make arrangements with people.
Speaker 2: But I did, Okay, So I was thinking of Stranger
Speaker 2: that episode that we covered, you know, with the shamrock
Speaker 2: tattoo people that are listening, And she couldn't escape because
Speaker 2: he had a padlock on the door with numbers, and
Speaker 2: so he was like, if you ever do anything to me,
Speaker 2: you'll be stuck in here to die because you don't
Speaker 2: know the number code. And for some reason, I was
Speaker 2: thinking about that all week and how I would get out.
Speaker 2: I had no ideas, but I guess chewing, but she
Speaker 2: had metal.
Speaker 3: I don't know, you'd have to lock.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it was the same thing in Search Party
Speaker 1: when Cola Scola had her downstairs and was like, there's
Speaker 1: a combo, like if you do something to me, you're
Speaker 1: chopped down here.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But for some reason, with Cola Scola was just a
Speaker 2: little more fun, a little more fantastical.
Speaker 3: I wasn't as Terry.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: But that is the scariest thing because it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're not going to get out of here because you
Speaker 1: can't kill your captor because you have to convince them
Speaker 1: to let you out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's this long ame. I can't believe she shoots
Speaker 2: through it. I can't even imagine.
Speaker 3: I know, my little hero.
Speaker 2: I'm glad no one sent it to me and only
Speaker 2: to you and I could just try out it.
Speaker 1: I've received it from multiple people, and we've received it
Speaker 1: to the account for our podcast, because I think people
Speaker 1: are just like, this sounds like an s FU. It's
Speaker 1: so fucked up. And then are you following what's been
Speaker 1: going on with Alex Jones.
Speaker 3: Well, I do want to say so my friend Dan Freezing.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you've ever met him in Chicago,
Speaker 2: but he used to do these food brackets that were
Speaker 2: my favorite thing in the world, and like they kind
Speaker 2: of like took over the Chicago comedy scene or maybe
Speaker 2: just my heart, but I love them. But he started
Speaker 2: in Alex Jones podcast like four or five years ago, right,
Speaker 2: that's right, you just had him on your pod. Yes,
Speaker 2: And he was actually brought in by the prosecution to
Speaker 2: the core for the last trial because he knows so
Speaker 2: much about Alex Jones and like what listens to all
Speaker 2: the podcasts and everything that the prosecution used him for info.
Speaker 2: So like after Alex Jones would say something, they would
Speaker 2: turn to my friend Dan Freezing and Dan would be like, actually,
Speaker 2: on this episode he said this and that, and he
Speaker 2: kind of helped the case.
Speaker 3: And so he studies Alex Jones.
Speaker 2: Very in depthly, like Sandy Hook, parents have reached they
Speaker 2: are grateful to him and the work that he's done.
Speaker 2: But he said straight up, Alex Jones is one of
Speaker 2: the worst human beings ever to live, despicable, lying psychopath,
Speaker 2: like the worst person ever. And that's someone that really
Speaker 2: searches him. So that's what I guess. No one is
Speaker 2: surprised at that. But if you're interested, listen to Dan
Speaker 2: Friesen talk about his journey. What's his podcast called? Well,
Speaker 2: it's called wait what. It's a play on Alex Jones's show,
Speaker 2: what is it? Info Wars? And his knowledge his knowledge fights?
Speaker 1: Oh funny, Yeah, but he was on Enemies if you
Speaker 1: want just like to meet Dan Friesen. But imagine if
Speaker 1: somebody became so obsessed with us and was called into
Speaker 1: one of our trials and was like, well, actually Lisa
Speaker 1: said that she doesn't. But that's actually that's a superstition
Speaker 1: from when she was thirteen, so she never would have
Speaker 1: said that. Actually, what pride would we commit tax? We
Speaker 1: would have we would It's so funny that somebody knows
Speaker 1: every catalog of your podcast, like so well that they're
Speaker 1: being used as like an expert witness against you, Like wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he was there and Alex Jones talks about
Speaker 2: Dan all the time but won't give him the satisfaction
Speaker 2: of saying his name. But it's like, I don't know,
Speaker 2: so they have this like weird cat and mouse vibe,
Speaker 2: but I don't know. I haven't been paying attention. But
Speaker 2: I love I love this, like I love people being
Speaker 2: hung by their own by their pet or whatever, like lying, lying, lying,
Speaker 2: And then day three be like, we actually have absolute evidence,
Speaker 2: so yeah, we have your phone, so now perjury.
Speaker 3: Baby.
Speaker 1: It's just like one of the grossest things you could
Speaker 1: do is like all these kids died and you're just
Speaker 1: like denying it. Like you know, I have a friend
Speaker 1: that was at Sandy Hook and it's just like she's traumatized.
Speaker 3: It's very real, Like you are like such a demon.
Speaker 2: That's why I fight with a lot of comics because
Speaker 2: their whole thing is always like freedom a speech. I'm like,
Speaker 2: if you have Alex Jones on your podcast and give
Speaker 2: him a voice, you're a terrible person. You're making a
Speaker 2: deal with the devil, and you will go down in
Speaker 2: history as a fucking Nazi. Sorry. Like to me, engaging
Speaker 2: and giving any platform to him is like so fucked up.
Speaker 1: Well, like somebody posted recently, just yesterday, I saw somebody
Speaker 1: posted like Rogan being like.
Speaker 3: It's funny, he's entertaining, it's funny, and.
Speaker 1: It's like, it's not funny. He's psychotic spreader of misinformation.
Speaker 1: But what happened this week parents, Yeah, and this is
Speaker 1: obviously not current now because we're on the time machine,
Speaker 1: but everybody's been saying this is so something that like
Speaker 1: literally having a base law and order level of legal knowledge,
Speaker 1: you would avoid doing. But his lawyer accidentally sent the
Speaker 1: entire contents of his cell phone to the opposing counsel
Speaker 1: to the prosecutor and then he got up. They waited
Speaker 1: twelve days to even say anything about it, and then
Speaker 1: just like questioned him on the stand and let him
Speaker 1: perjure himself, and it's like just so funny, Like everyone's
Speaker 1: just like wow, the Alex Jones case just blew up,
Speaker 1: and it's like, I mean, I just love that like
Speaker 1: such great, Like I love that he probably has enough
Speaker 1: money to hire I'm sure his lawyers are expensive and
Speaker 1: they just fucked up so huge, And I hope it.
Speaker 1: I hope it's so very that it would not even
Speaker 1: think the SVU writers wouldn't even think of something that's stupid,
Speaker 1: like it would be outside of reality. For like, also,
Speaker 1: how do you have all the files of every text
Speaker 1: to send to the prosecution on accident?
Speaker 3: Like I don't even understand how that happens.
Speaker 2: Like I understand one screenshot, You take a screenshot, you
Speaker 2: send it to the person, and then you're.
Speaker 3: A little bit of trouble. But like every every.
Speaker 1: Text, every everything in the phone, like it's so every
Speaker 1: email everything, It's crazy, and but I just like I
Speaker 1: love to see it.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, car you're gonna love this.
Speaker 2: So someone yesterday comes up to me and goes, well,
Speaker 2: I've heard that I make you uncomfortable and that like
Speaker 2: you don't like being around me. So and I had
Speaker 2: said this about this person, so I immediately shut down
Speaker 2: and I'm.
Speaker 3: Like, oh, okay, yeah.
Speaker 2: He goes, yeah, maybe we should talk about it, and
Speaker 2: then he goes, I'm kidding, but I had talked shit.
Speaker 2: So I was like, okay, I guess I'm about to like,
Speaker 2: have you know, a real honest conversation with someone. And
Speaker 2: then in my head I go, wow, I have no friends.
Speaker 2: I can't believe my friends betrayed me. Because then he
Speaker 2: starts saying, well, I've talked to these people. So I'm like, oh, wow,
Speaker 2: I talked to these people for advice on it, and
Speaker 2: they straight up betrayed me. Told this person and this
Speaker 2: person was fully kidding, but.
Speaker 1: He didn't even clock that you were about to, like agree.
Speaker 2: I did become serious in my face and I was like,
Speaker 2: what did you hear?
Speaker 3: Oh? You know, like what are you?
Speaker 2: And then so later I went to the person that
Speaker 2: he said, like told information. I was like, oh my god.
Speaker 2: She goes, he does that all the time. He did
Speaker 2: that to me recently with this other comic. He just
Speaker 2: likes to fuck with people like that. She goes, why
Speaker 2: did you say something? I go, yes, I don't know
Speaker 2: how to interact with this person. I don't know what
Speaker 2: to do, so it could have been a real convo.
Speaker 2: And thank god he said he was kidding before I
Speaker 2: had to have like.
Speaker 3: A convoy.
Speaker 2: I don't really want to have but loose lips. I mean,
Speaker 2: when will I learn my lesson? It's like great if.
Speaker 1: You're like a psychotic antagonist, it's a great way to
Speaker 1: go around and find out you just like come brumpt
Speaker 1: people and then like see if they say anything, and
Speaker 1: then go, I'm a.
Speaker 2: Joking, you know, like, yeah, it's kind of it's.
Speaker 3: Completely unhinged, but it's not stupid, and I'll tell you
Speaker 3: who it is obviously off.
Speaker 1: Oh, I obviously need to start the episode right now
Speaker 1: so you can immediately tell me. But yeah, let's kick
Speaker 1: off our episode because I really can't wait to get
Speaker 1: to This is a This is a great episode that
Speaker 1: people have been requesting for the entire pandemic because it's
Speaker 1: very timely, and so here it is and we're excited
Speaker 1: about it.
Speaker 3: And then our guest is La Chef's Kiss. So stay
Speaker 3: right where you.
Speaker 2: Are, granting immunity everyone, Super Thrilling, Season sixteen, episode nineteen.
Speaker 2: We're here, We're twenty fifteen or is it twenty twenty two?
Speaker 2: We don't know because such a relevant episode and we've
Speaker 2: heard your requests and we're here. So this episode starts
Speaker 2: with a song which I couldn't believe they got the
Speaker 2: rights to. They never have trademark music. They really were
Speaker 2: trying to be hip and show how hip they were.
Speaker 3: I was shocked.
Speaker 2: It's I Make the Girls Go Bad and it's by
Speaker 2: Cobra Starship, which I think is popular. It's it's I
Speaker 2: Make the Good Girls Go Bad by Cobra Starship featuring
Speaker 2: Layton Mester from Gossip Girl. And I only know this
Speaker 2: because this song came out and was really big in
Speaker 2: like the year that I was working at MTV and
Speaker 2: like cope, I was at the VMAs and Cobra Starship
Speaker 2: was like performing there and like this song was playing
Speaker 2: constantly and that's how And I also remember, like the
Speaker 2: girl part of it is Laton Mester from Gossip Girl.
Speaker 1: So this episode starts with a big song like that.
Speaker 1: Another episode does that as well. That is in the
Speaker 1: same season called Agent Provocateur Ajean Provocateur if you're going
Speaker 1: to pronounce it French, and it's the James Franco episode
Speaker 1: basically with Patty Lapone and at the beginning of that
Speaker 1: it's the song let Her Go by Passenger, but it's
Speaker 1: actually I hate that song and I hate that they
Speaker 1: opened that. I like hated the whole opening. I've expressed
Speaker 1: this before. I don't like musical openings. Though this Good
Speaker 1: Girl's Go Bad one doesn't really bother me as much.
Speaker 1: This Letter Go One, I hated it, but I just
Speaker 1: looked it up and it's actually sung by someone else.
Speaker 1: It's it's a cover, but it is an opening in
Speaker 1: the same season. They're doing these big musical openings with
Speaker 1: like a contemporary song, so that's interesting. They usually don't
Speaker 1: shell out for trademark music. So I was just like,
Speaker 1: very very shocked. And this was not a cover because
Speaker 1: when I watched this episode, I put it on subtitles
Speaker 1: and it said Good Girls Go Bad by Cobra Starship
Speaker 1: featuring Layton Measter.
Speaker 3: Plays like, that's what it said in my subtitles. Wow.
Speaker 2: So though, so as the song plays, we're doing montage vibes.
Speaker 2: We're in a rich person's bathroom and they're panning and
Speaker 2: a teen is showering, okay, and then it pans through
Speaker 2: the wall and it's Benson's apartment with a closeup of
Speaker 2: baby Noah looking super super cute, and Benson's letting him
Speaker 2: know that they'll be going to the doctor today, and
Speaker 2: then she says, oh, you'll get a lollipop. He's way
Speaker 2: too young for a lollipop, is he not.
Speaker 3: He's there, he's at his twelve month appointment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no way he's stuck it on a lolly. Okay,
Speaker 2: maybe a sticker, but okay, so Oscar would eat a sticker.
Speaker 2: So now it goes to another apartment, rich as hell.
Speaker 2: There are columns in the apartment, large scale art. There's
Speaker 2: fruit bowls, a futuristic baby chair with a baby in it,
Speaker 2: giant windows, a very spacious apartment. And then there's the
Speaker 2: tea in leaving for school, and he might have a temperature.
Speaker 2: He's not feeling amazing, but he wants to go to school.
Speaker 2: He says he's fine, he's coughing, but his dumb dad
Speaker 2: told him to go to school. So he kisses his
Speaker 2: baby brother and leaves. And then another scene, the music
Speaker 2: is blaring over don't forget the music is here blaring
Speaker 2: that whole time, blaring. And then so we're with Benson
Speaker 2: at the doctor's office and Noah's playing with the baby
Speaker 2: that we saw in the futuristic baby seat earlier that
Speaker 2: got kissed, you know. And now back to the older
Speaker 2: brother of the baby. The teen is in school now coughing.
Speaker 2: He's coughing up a storm. Now after coughing into his fists,
Speaker 2: he's fist pounding. So he's a popular guy and he's
Speaker 2: fist pounding through the holes. And he has a backpack
Speaker 2: of alcohol that he's showing his friends. So the teens
Speaker 2: are now drinking and drugging at another rich person's apartment.
Speaker 2: But the bongs on the table have such clean water.
Speaker 2: No one is smoking out of those bongs. Okay, sorry,
Speaker 2: I finally found a mistake with the prop department.
Speaker 3: Very proud of myself. Dirty that bong. Dirty that bong water. Baby.
Speaker 1: Finally, bong water is one of the most disgusting things
Speaker 1: in the world. When I was in college, my friends
Speaker 1: spilled bong water on my bed when I was out
Speaker 1: of town, and they didn't tell me for months because
Speaker 1: they were like, we thought you would kill us, and
Speaker 1: you would.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's in jail. You'd be having your first parole meeting.
Speaker 2: I'd be in jail for murder. Yes, yeah, So the
Speaker 2: party is girls and guys mixed company and they're all
Speaker 2: having fun. There's some grinding, some hair flipping, and now
Speaker 2: they're playing suck and blow with cards and the girls
Speaker 2: start dancing on the tables and taking their tops off,
Speaker 2: and the boys are taking videos and pictures and the
Speaker 2: girls are putting fun lipstick colors on their lips and
Speaker 2: then each girl has her own color of lipstick, and
Speaker 2: you know, they're just in their bras dancing.
Speaker 3: With multicolored lipsticks. What could go wrong?
Speaker 2: Now it cuts back to school, and so I was confused.
Speaker 2: I was like, is this another day? The music makes
Speaker 2: it seem like it's one day. Did they drink on
Speaker 2: their lunch break? Did they ditch school? Like? I don't
Speaker 2: understand what's happening. So then the photos are being uploaded
Speaker 2: to iPads and phones at the school and they're being shared,
Speaker 2: and the principal catches the boys looking at a phone,
Speaker 2: asks to see it. Uh oh the credits she saw
Speaker 2: something bad And it's really exciting. It's going to be
Speaker 2: a Barba Careesi tomorrow episode Like this is star studded
Speaker 2: with hunks, and.
Speaker 3: I'm ready to get into it.
Speaker 2: So we're back from the credits and I get my
Speaker 2: question answered right away with a walk and Talk where
Speaker 2: Benson tells Caresie and Rollins and a bunch of teens
Speaker 2: in Tribeca Academy went off campus for lunch and had
Speaker 2: a rainbow party.
Speaker 3: And Finn is like a rainbow party.
Speaker 2: But I can't believe these kids had enough time to
Speaker 2: like drink on their lunch break.
Speaker 3: That's really cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I drank one time in my life during school,
Speaker 1: and it was because it was International Day and a
Speaker 1: few of us had been chosen to display international dances
Speaker 1: to our classmates, and so we were like, we gotta
Speaker 1: get drunk to do this, And we went to this
Speaker 1: girl's house and we all drink vodka, and then we
Speaker 1: went to school. We were like chewing gums so no
Speaker 1: one could hear, like smell the vodka. And then we
Speaker 1: went and did the Macarena in a bunch of different classrooms.
Speaker 1: Like I didn't have to actually study. I was like
Speaker 1: doing the macharena all day. It was, But was the
Speaker 1: Macarena the big cultural dance. It was like the mac
Speaker 1: Arena like a couple other dances that they that we
Speaker 1: were like and then this one's from here, and like
Speaker 1: we did like I think we were just like coming
Speaker 1: up with like why were you in this club?
Speaker 3: What club is this? No clue?
Speaker 1: Like it was like girls from my Spanish class, We're
Speaker 1: all like we're doing this, and like it was like
Speaker 1: a bunch of popular girls. And I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're all gonna go to your house and drink. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna do that. You know. It's the only time I
Speaker 1: ever did anything like that. And I was terrified the
Speaker 1: whole time. I was like, I'm gonna get caught. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna get caught. I'm gona get caught.
Speaker 3: But I didn't.
Speaker 2: I would smoke weed before school. I don't think I
Speaker 2: would drink, but my friend had like a red jeep
Speaker 2: and we would smoke some weed in there. Yeah, in
Speaker 2: sixth grade, my friends after school came to my house
Speaker 2: and we drank vodka, played with my sister's condoms, and
Speaker 2: smoked capri cigarettes.
Speaker 3: Well that's the thing.
Speaker 1: It's like go home for lunch and then don't go
Speaker 1: back to school, like cut school. Like I don't really
Speaker 1: get the like why would you want to like get
Speaker 1: drunk and go back to school. It's also they're accomplishing
Speaker 1: a lot for a lunch break. We had twenty two
Speaker 1: minutes for lunch in school.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so so yeah, Finn's rainbow party, and so
Speaker 2: photos were taken and went viral and things are intense,
Speaker 2: and so Danny Pino, yeah, I wrote there's a lot
Speaker 2: of hot dick and we're here for it.
Speaker 3: It's like a sexual episode. Okay.
Speaker 2: So he has no clue what a rainbow party is,
Speaker 2: but you know who does know, flirt master Amanda Rollins.
Speaker 2: So the girls put on lipstix of different colors and
Speaker 2: then they take turns on the guys, and then Careese
Speaker 2: pipes in to impress, you know, his slut girlfriend Rollins
Speaker 2: and says, the first guy to get all the colors
Speaker 2: of the rainbow win. I did not know about these
Speaker 2: rainbow parties. I know about the bracelets. I never knew
Speaker 2: about this.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm going to tell you all about them. So
Speaker 3: don't worry. I know, I can't wait.
Speaker 2: Amanda says, I'm never having kids, jokes on her. So
Speaker 2: now we're at Trebeca Academy. It's March ninth. It's some Mondays.
Speaker 2: I mean, these kids are taking shots Monday for lunch.
Speaker 2: This is wild, This isn't thirsty. Thursday Friday, Yeah, Monday.
Speaker 2: They are going so wild on a Monday. So we're
Speaker 2: doing a and talk up the stairs. It's Benson and
Speaker 2: the principle. The principle has red hair and she doesn't
Speaker 2: think it's a crime, but it didn't feel right, and
Speaker 2: Benson's like, you did the right things. So basically, nine kids,
Speaker 2: their ninth and tenth grader is very young, and the
Speaker 2: parents are pissed because they spend forty five grand a
Speaker 2: year for this school, so what the fuck's going on.
Speaker 2: So it's a big room filled with kids and parents
Speaker 2: and everyone's having stressed out fights about what happened. Benson
Speaker 2: and Tomorrow stand with the principal in the middle, who
Speaker 2: explains that the cops are here to take statements, and
Speaker 2: the parents start yelling about how these are kids and
Speaker 2: what the fuck. They're like, SVU, are you kidding me?
Speaker 2: That's unbelievable, and Benson's like, we get kids, our kids,
Speaker 2: but we have to make sure no crimes were committed.
Speaker 2: And the parents are still mad that they were called,
Speaker 2: and Benson lets them know that they can sit with
Speaker 2: their kids during the questioning and makes what seems like
Speaker 2: a foreshadow, but points that no photos should be posted
Speaker 2: or shared, but we're modern girls, we know it's gonna happen.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: So and then the questioning relay race begins. So one
Speaker 2: teen says that they were just gonna have tacos at
Speaker 2: Savannah's house, and her mom is pushing her to say
Speaker 2: that she was bullied into it and didn't want to
Speaker 2: do it, and this teen's like, I'm a fucking slut
Speaker 2: and I loved it, okay.
Speaker 3: I did not think that there were going to be tacos.
Speaker 3: I was down.
Speaker 2: And then another teen boy is telling Amorrow in front
Speaker 2: of his dad that it was the girl's idea to
Speaker 2: do the lipsticks.
Speaker 3: One girl tells Caries that there's pressure to.
Speaker 2: Do all the guys but not her, no thank you,
Speaker 2: and she was mostly into Leo, not the other dudes.
Speaker 2: And then one boy's explaining the cards suck blowgame. And
Speaker 2: I always love when kids think they invented things, and Kara,
Speaker 2: we have talked about this before a long time ago,
Speaker 2: but on TikTok, these girls, these teens were making vodka
Speaker 2: sodas and like being like, okay, we invented these drinks
Speaker 2: and you could barely and they thought they invented vodka
Speaker 2: sodas and I fucking loved it, and so the and
Speaker 2: then there's a coughing teen and he's here. The coughing
Speaker 2: teen is back and he's with Benson talking about all
Speaker 2: the kissing games. And then the mom with the coughing
Speaker 2: boy looks to Benson and is like, wait, I know you.
Speaker 2: And they realized that they met at the doctor's office
Speaker 2: earlier today with their babies. So this is the baby's
Speaker 2: mom that Noah was playing with and the cough teen.
Speaker 2: Hopefully you guys can keep track of what's happening, and
Speaker 2: this teen is actually her step son. The dad is
Speaker 2: in Moscow on business. And now we're back to tomorrow
Speaker 2: and the kid who admitted to smoking weed and the
Speaker 2: dad is like, okay, so we're done. And it's like, na, bitch,
Speaker 2: your son texted explicit photos.
Speaker 3: That's not okay.
Speaker 2: Finn wants to know more details than the mom is
Speaker 2: like no, no, no no, and Finn is like, bitch,
Speaker 2: tell her. So then we're back with cough teen and
Speaker 2: stepmom and in walks a rich fabulous is hell Missy Pile,
Speaker 2: the og mom of the boy birth mom who the
Speaker 2: dad filled in from Moscow, and she is fabulous. So
Speaker 2: we learn her name is Trudy, and she is basically like, oh,
Speaker 2: did my son have a dairy reaction? Like she just
Speaker 2: thinks this is milk related, that the whole less of you.
Speaker 2: There's a whole lockdown of the school because of a
Speaker 2: dairy incident, and Benson is like, Hi, Hello, what's happening,
Speaker 2: and she's like, I'm his mom, and they share custody.
Speaker 2: She then says how she heard Savannah hosted this, but
Speaker 2: wants to say that Mia is a present and great
Speaker 2: mother and I'm sure she did not know about it,
Speaker 2: and then we hear more coughs. So some parents walk
Speaker 2: into Benson to apologize for being dicks to her, and
Speaker 2: Benson's like, we get it, and I'll worries. So the
Speaker 2: parents assure Benson that they're mad at these children and
Speaker 2: that they will be punishing them, and Benson's like, sorry,
Speaker 2: that's not going to stop us. But they're worried that
Speaker 2: the boys will be arrested, and the dad shouts even
Speaker 2: though the girls were just as complicit, and the mom
Speaker 2: is like shut up and goes they're all good kids.
Speaker 2: So we just want to make sure like this isn't
Speaker 2: getting blown out of proportion and she goes, nobody was
Speaker 2: forced to do anything. They're all friends, and Amaro goes, yeah,
Speaker 2: but there's still technology and age of consent issues and
Speaker 2: we have to make sure we figure all this out.
Speaker 2: And if they're posting them, that's a huge problem. And
Speaker 2: the mom is like, oh, oh fuck, you are charging them,
Speaker 2: aren't you. And Benson is like, no, need to panic,
Speaker 2: We're gonna sort it out with the DA. And they're
Speaker 2: like the DA. And so they're upset, like this this
Speaker 2: is real. They're shocked, they're rich, they don't get consequences,
Speaker 2: so they're like having a really hard time comprehending what's up.
Speaker 2: But also, if their children weren't at Faull and there
Speaker 2: were explicit photos of their kids being spread, they would
Speaker 2: want those people confiscated and rest right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's like.
Speaker 2: You, you know, you don't want porn photos of your
Speaker 2: kids out on the internet, So like, why are you
Speaker 2: acting so protective of these kids?
Speaker 1: Like I just because these kind of parents are literally
Speaker 1: just like college college future, how is this going to
Speaker 1: affect it? Like they don't really care like about you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, the legalities of it, I don't think.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but if it was like the janitor that released
Speaker 2: all these photos.
Speaker 3: I bet they would want his head on a platter. Sure.
Speaker 2: Yes, So now it's corkboard time. We get the photos
Speaker 2: in the names and Barba's like, oh my god, they
Speaker 2: weren't a ten million dollar apartment alone, and he's in
Speaker 2: what I can see as a peach colored dress shirt
Speaker 2: and Careese is filling him in and says that they
Speaker 2: were having an oral sex competition. And so to me,
Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, but everyone is underage, they're all consenting,
Speaker 2: and there are no crimes, so they're going out of
Speaker 2: their way to prosecute, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 2: they are there must be a girl in an alley
Speaker 2: or getting raped at Hudson University, like they have other
Speaker 2: things on the docket.
Speaker 3: So it is confusing. It's not realistic.
Speaker 2: I think how hard they're pushing this in any capacity.
Speaker 3: It's like they're just a bunch of teens like blowing
Speaker 3: each other.
Speaker 2: So he needs to know how there's not like a
Speaker 2: Dane Cook in the middle of it, all right, it's
Speaker 2: just the kids, So he needs to know how explicit
Speaker 2: they get. And then he goes on the laptop and
Speaker 2: is like, oh, okay, this is dirty.
Speaker 3: And it has gone viral.
Speaker 2: Barbara says that we got to get them off the internet,
Speaker 2: and Rollin's is like, sure, but how do we do that?
Speaker 3: It's the internet.
Speaker 2: He says, contact trace and take all the kid's phones,
Speaker 2: and Creasy goes very much about it and is like, hello,
Speaker 2: freedom of speech or like civil rights or secrecy, privacy,
Speaker 2: whatever munch would say. Cariese's taking that role on Karasy
Speaker 2: plays it really thick this episode, or lays it on thick,
Speaker 2: like he wants to be really funny in this episode.
Speaker 3: He has a few little bankers because.
Speaker 2: I know we were talking about like with Munch in
Speaker 2: Finn Gone, there's like like there's less comedy.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think they tried to make Careesy a comedy king,
Speaker 2: but I don't know. So Barba says, we got to
Speaker 2: protect these kids from pedophiles on the internet honing in
Speaker 2: on them, and Rollin's is like, okay, you want to
Speaker 2: explain it to these parents, and he's like, no, pe
Speaker 2: fun I'm wearing suspenders and I'm staying right here. So
Speaker 2: he's acting smug. Rollins gives him a dirty look and
Speaker 2: we cut to a giant like yonder bag situation. So
Speaker 2: there's like tables of cops and they're collecting all the
Speaker 2: tea and cell phones and this looks insane, like they're
Speaker 2: spending this much money and this much manpower getting cell
Speaker 2: phones to see who's spread the like photos that were
Speaker 2: taken essentially by all your.
Speaker 1: What I was thinking too, Like I agree with you, Like,
Speaker 1: realistically they wouldn't be this pressed, But when you say
Speaker 1: it's gone viral, then like these kind of stories spin
Speaker 1: out that are like, well, and the city's doing nothing
Speaker 1: to stop these horny rich kids from like you know,
Speaker 1: blah blah blah.
Speaker 3: So sometimes it feels like.
Speaker 1: They get pressure from one PP because of something going
Speaker 1: viral or something being like in the press.
Speaker 2: So well, that actually just hit me too, where it's like,
Speaker 2: if these parents are concerned about college, you don't think
Speaker 2: pornographic photos are gonna fuck with your college.
Speaker 1: That fucking follows you forever. Google is forever bitch. Google
Speaker 1: is forever bitch.
Speaker 2: And I agree with Kara, it is good to take
Speaker 2: like these photos off of porn sites if they are
Speaker 2: on them, But this is just so much seems like yeah,
Speaker 2: and now Trudy walks in Missy Pyle or Queen and
Speaker 2: I'm sure you guys know her, Dodgeball. She's just like
Speaker 2: a character actress. I'm obsessed with her. She's so funny.
Speaker 2: She was in a lot of sketches on Inside Amy Schumer,
Speaker 2: so love to see her. So So Trudy walks in
Speaker 2: and she's there for her son, and she is so
Speaker 2: horny for tomorrow, and she goes, Honey, I'm happily uncoupled,
Speaker 2: and I would love to see things go further with
Speaker 2: these too, but Tomorrow just keeps it straight business. And
Speaker 2: she realizes she has been rejected and is like okay,
Speaker 2: and decides to take it out on the principal, who
Speaker 2: is standing with Benson in an outfit we'll call like
Speaker 2: none in training chic. And Trudy is like, I find
Speaker 2: this very invasive, Hannah, And she's like, I'm sure you
Speaker 2: don't want your son's sexually explicit photos going viral on
Speaker 2: the internet, do you? And she's like, well, shouldn't it
Speaker 2: be my decision if I let my son's explicit photos
Speaker 2: free for pedophiles to use?
Speaker 3: That's me.
Speaker 2: That's not a line, she said, but right, like what, yeah, sure,
Speaker 2: it's your decision. What are you so you're deciding?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Like it's foreshadowing, right, so much foreshadowing. Benson shuts her
Speaker 2: down and says, not if it involved child pornography charges,
Speaker 2: it's not up to you, bitch, And I'm sure the
Speaker 2: principle that was so regretting calling the cops, like she
Speaker 2: just made the biggest mistake of her fucking life.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: So then Trudy says to Benson, it must be stressful
Speaker 2: to spend so much time in such a dark world,
Speaker 2: all patronizing and shit, and Hannah then talks shit about
Speaker 2: her the moment she walks away and is like, oh,
Speaker 2: she has a lifestyle website where she reviews holistic shit
Speaker 2: and she's the queen Bee of the Tribeca moms. And
Speaker 2: Benson is like, yeah, there's one in every hive. I
Speaker 2: did babysit one rich family in Tribeca.
Speaker 3: Like such a nice fucking place.
Speaker 2: So then the mom, this other mom and the kids
Speaker 2: went on a play date and both of them had nannies.
Speaker 2: So it was like I was on a playdate, Like
Speaker 2: we were all on playdates. I had a nanny playdate.
Speaker 2: There were kid playdates, and then the moms and it's like,
Speaker 2: these are too many adults for two kids. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: we would just sit in these like giant Tribeca apartments
Speaker 2: while the mom's hung out, and it was it's too much.
Speaker 1: I know, I was a New York City babysitter. It's
Speaker 1: it can get wild up there. But they're clearly trying
Speaker 1: to make this woman Gwyneth Paltrow right.
Speaker 3: And I just put it together that when she says.
Speaker 1: I'm happily young, coupled that, that's like a Gwyneth Paltrow phrase.
Speaker 3: I like, did it? Yeah, realize, I just put that together.
Speaker 2: Then Ring Ring Benson gets a phone call and it's
Speaker 2: the doctor with something about Noah. So we know it
Speaker 2: can't be good. So we're back at the doctor and
Speaker 2: he was exposed to measles by another patient in the
Speaker 2: waiting room, and Benson's like, oh my god, was it
Speaker 2: that baby? I know, the older brother. He's in a
Speaker 2: case right now at the school. And the doctor obviously
Speaker 2: can't confirm nor deny hello doctor patient confidentiality.
Speaker 3: But she's like, what now, what now he.
Speaker 2: Already has respiratory issues, Like now, baby Noah has fucking measles,
Speaker 2: And she goes, I know this is hard, but you
Speaker 2: have to quarantine him. No exposure to any other kids
Speaker 2: for eight days, and Benson is so stressed out, but
Speaker 2: you know she's gonna do whatever it takes to keep
Speaker 2: her baby safe. Finn and Tomorrow bring boxes of files
Speaker 2: to Benson's house and we hear Noah crying in the background,
Speaker 2: and Lucy, of course, is there chained to the crib working. Now,
Speaker 2: Benson starts gossiping and is like the measleshit may have
Speaker 2: come from Tribeca Academy student, and Tomorrow was like, ugh,
Speaker 2: don't get me started. Zara's school in la is ground
Speaker 2: zero for anti vaxers. And Benson's hair is super cute,
Speaker 2: hasn't top floey, and I'm just like obsessed with her.
Speaker 3: Her makeup is super light and I like her so much.
Speaker 2: And Tomorrow is picking his son up and is gonna
Speaker 2: get some vaccines scoop because now he's all hyped up,
Speaker 2: and it's like, I don't even know if my son
Speaker 2: that I just got reunited with is even vaxed, like
Speaker 2: I got a see.
Speaker 3: So Amorro goes.
Speaker 2: To pick up his kid, Gail gil get something like that,
Speaker 2: and they hug and he offers his daddy some potato
Speaker 2: chips and he's like, nah, I'm good, I'm staying tight.
Speaker 1: I'm about to be He just found out about when
Speaker 1: the kid was like ten, right, Like this is like yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, fresh reuniting. And then there's a big bomb drop.
Speaker 2: The son and mom are moving to San Diego in
Speaker 2: July because she's worried about the gangs. And he's really
Speaker 2: sad because he's like, but I'll never see you again,
Speaker 2: and tomorrow's upset. He can't believe this is happening to
Speaker 2: him again, Like you know, Zara's already on the West
Speaker 2: West coast. Now another kid's gonna go to California. But
Speaker 2: this is all setting up for him to get the
Speaker 2: fuck out of our lives. Okay, So then I think
Speaker 2: he's killed enough teens or does he kill one more?
Speaker 2: I forgot, I forgot what other crime he commits. But
Speaker 2: Amorro tells his son, don't worry, You'll see me no
Speaker 2: matter what, and it's all gonna be fine. And they
Speaker 2: walk off, and now we're back at Barbara's and there's
Speaker 2: some frantic instrumental music. Barba tells Rollin's and Creasy this
Speaker 2: is an unmitigated disaster. So Rollin said that Taru used
Speaker 2: photos and reversed image searched and the picture on kittie
Speaker 2: porton sites and red chan, and Barbara is like, what
Speaker 2: the fuck we told the kids not to upload and
Speaker 2: caresee says my mom calls it teen Acidy, I liked it,
Speaker 2: I like ponded it.
Speaker 3: I liked it. Cresey's mom has some spunk.
Speaker 2: So but they can't track it to any of the
Speaker 2: phones they have in custody. And seven phones are missing
Speaker 2: from like the class list. So seven phones are missing,
Speaker 2: and it's mostly for parents that believe it's against the
Speaker 2: kid's civil rights. So then Barbara's like, okay, we have
Speaker 2: to get warns for the seven missing phones. And Ronind's
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, you fucking idiot, that's why we're here.
Speaker 2: You think we're just chatting with you. So now Rollin's
Speaker 2: and cares who are sitting down with the principal as
Speaker 2: she's saying, like, I get this is serious, but some
Speaker 2: of these parents aren't being deliberate assholes, like a lot
Speaker 2: of kids are sick yesterday and not in school, And
Speaker 2: Caresy guesses and goes, oh, are they home with the measles?
Speaker 2: And she says that she can't say anything that that's confidential,
Speaker 2: but they let the CDC know everything and are following
Speaker 2: any policies that are at play. Rollins says, okay, but
Speaker 2: how about Larry Heller, the other tenth grader? Is he
Speaker 2: homesick too, and the principal is like, no, no, but
Speaker 2: his mom's a lawyer. So his mom's name is Arlene Heller,
Speaker 2: and Cariese is like.
Speaker 3: He's walked.
Speaker 2: Briggs is widow's attorney and is kind of a live wire.
Speaker 2: Do you remember who's Walster Briggs? I'm thinking is that
Speaker 2: the Marcia Cross episode? Yes, Charmaine Briggs.
Speaker 1: Yep, you're right, the Casey Casum episode We gotta do
Speaker 1: this one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Casey, case Casey Caseum so, and it's Susie s
Speaker 2: Man Curb Your Enthusiasm, Broad City Comedy Legend, SVU Icon
Speaker 2: defense attorney.
Speaker 3: I'm obsessed with Susie Esmond. I have met her once.
Speaker 2: She would never remember so obsessed, I would say, a
Speaker 2: hero of ours. So she's like, okay, let's get this
Speaker 2: over with. My son is a dork. He wasn't at
Speaker 2: the party. He's on the chest team. Look at him.
Speaker 2: He's an idiot, and so they point to him and
Speaker 2: he's on his glasses, like he has glasses with his dorks.
Speaker 2: She goes, what is this nineteen eighty four and whatever.
Speaker 2: So then the detectives ask Larry for the phone.
Speaker 3: And he's like, I can't.
Speaker 2: I lost it, and so the mom starts yelling at him,
Speaker 2: like you fucking idiot, you lost another phone, and it's like, lady,
Speaker 2: he's lying, Okay, he didn't lose his phone, And the
Speaker 2: detectives are obviously hip on it, and so they remind
Speaker 2: them that they have warrants for the locker. He size
Speaker 2: and opens it and Creasy calls the number and it
Speaker 2: starts rigging, and Susie goes, God, you're dumber than your father,
Speaker 2: you know that. So of course they were going to
Speaker 2: find it, dude. So now we're at me and Savannah's
Speaker 2: loft and the moms are lunching.
Speaker 3: We hear Queen Bee Trudy.
Speaker 2: Say like, ugh, instead of sending alarmis emails about measles,
Speaker 2: maybe they should re examine their off campus lunch policy.
Speaker 2: But I feel like she would be someone that was
Speaker 2: for the lunch policy because she wants her kids to
Speaker 2: like come home for lunch or something like.
Speaker 3: I don't believe that she's against Yeah, and like my
Speaker 3: sister teaches that an elementary school, and I.
Speaker 1: Think the fifth graders are allowed to go out for lunch,
Speaker 1: so like in high school, you're definitely not gonna be
Speaker 1: able to keep kids in New York City from going
Speaker 1: to get lunch during lunch.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're too cool for school. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So the moms are having wines and a lot of
Speaker 2: greens on their plate. And there's like a woman with
Speaker 2: a tight back ponytail, and she is from the parental
Speaker 2: montage from earlier.
Speaker 3: And then there's a bond.
Speaker 2: There's like a bouncy brunette Monica Lewinsky haircut, and she's
Speaker 2: wearing a shirt that looks like those white and blue
Speaker 2: print china plates.
Speaker 3: Do you know what I'm talking about? Oh? Like twall?
Speaker 3: Are you talking about twall? Don't fucking use words I
Speaker 3: don't know.
Speaker 1: Hold on t no, you look up twall tilt pattern. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I have a blue I have a tube. Okay, you'll
Speaker 1: love this. Still in my closet, I won't get rid
Speaker 1: of it. I have a dress I wore in college
Speaker 1: to like some of my graduation stuff. That is twall
Speaker 1: tube dress from Shoshana, the woman who dated Jerry Seinfeld
Speaker 1: when she was seventeen. I have a Shoshana Twell dress.
Speaker 2: Okay, and that hopefully will go to Rosie one day. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so twall, it's twall print on the top. White wine
Speaker 2: is pouring and Trudy's shoulders are showing.
Speaker 3: Knock knock. Who is it?
Speaker 2: It's the detectives and they gotta buzz them up. Ponytail
Speaker 2: Mom is not having it, and she's like, haven't they
Speaker 2: pried into our children's lives enough? And Trety says, we're
Speaker 2: responsible parents. They don't have to act like the Cia
Speaker 2: and Bouncy Hair Mom answers the door and is like,
Speaker 2: can I help you? And Rollin's asked why her daughter
Speaker 2: wasn't in school today. We have a warrant for her
Speaker 2: cell phone and the mom goes, nope, she deleted the
Speaker 2: photos and she's homesick, resting, so leave us the fuck alone,
Speaker 2: and Cariese's like, yeah, the fucking measles, isn't it, And
Speaker 2: she's pissed that the school would tell them, but she's
Speaker 2: just dumb. They never said anything and don't say anything
Speaker 2: to cops. They lie. So because she let that go,
Speaker 2: Rolind's goes, oh, so she does, and she goes, just
Speaker 2: wait here, I'll get her phone, and she storms off
Speaker 2: into this giant apartment, and then Finn and Tomorrow are
Speaker 2: at Benson's apartment to let her know that the videos
Speaker 2: have ended up on porn sites. Can we stop it
Speaker 2: from spreading? What a dumb question. You've been in SVU
Speaker 2: for fifteen years. Porn Profin is like, girl, you know,
Speaker 2: once it's up, it's up. And Amoro stands up for
Speaker 2: legit porn sites. So we have taken it down. So
Speaker 2: that's exciting. But the videos are viral. It is what
Speaker 2: it is. And if this was Watch what Happens Live,
Speaker 2: the drinking game word of the day.
Speaker 3: Would be viral and he would all be wasted, out
Speaker 3: of minds.
Speaker 2: But also, they're not gonna arrest these rich white teens.
Speaker 2: Finn brings up and everyone knows that that's true. And
Speaker 2: I do love Olivia's hair. It's half up, half down
Speaker 2: with a sweet bang. And she's just like a mom
Speaker 2: of a sick kid, you know, she's just like focused
Speaker 2: on her child right now, but trying to.
Speaker 3: Juggle it all.
Speaker 2: And so she starts talking about Noah and she's like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: he has a fever.
Speaker 3: Like this all sucks.
Speaker 2: And then they start talking about this measle party outbreak
Speaker 2: and Benson's like, well, no, that makes no sense. They
Speaker 2: must be vaccinated, right and Tomorrow shrugs his little sexy shoulders.
Speaker 2: And then at that moment, Lucy runs in with an
Speaker 2: emergency and Noah's having problems breathing. He's turning blue nine
Speaker 2: one one. They're running it's stressful where we have to
Speaker 2: go to the hospital. They have to stabilize her baby.
Speaker 2: She's so scared, she's stressed, she's crying, such a good actress,
Speaker 2: trying to breathe. Amorrow is walking in with coffees to
Speaker 2: the hospital to support his friend and boss, and Benson
Speaker 2: fills Tomorrow and that baby boy. Noah's on oxygen right now,
Speaker 2: and she's like, you don't have to stay, and he's like,
Speaker 2: all wait till Finn comes in, like don't worry, and
Speaker 2: Benson runs to the doc who comes in and goes, listen,
Speaker 2: Noah is stabilized, but he has spots in his mouth,
Speaker 2: which are the first sign of measles.
Speaker 3: So what happens next?
Speaker 2: She yes, basically he's gonna have a rash all over
Speaker 2: his body and they have to keep him here under observation,
Speaker 2: and we're gonna see what happens. And she puts on
Speaker 2: like a cap and gown to visit her little baby
Speaker 2: and Cariese is acting so unsexy and annoying. No wonder
Speaker 2: Amanda did not want to fuck him for so long.
Speaker 2: So we're back at the precinct and he's like, my
Speaker 2: forehead hurts.
Speaker 3: Is it hot?
Speaker 2: Am I sick? And it's like, no, you're not fucking sick.
Speaker 2: And she starts talking with him like, oh, I see
Speaker 2: a spot. Wait another spot, there's another one, and he's
Speaker 2: like it's not funny. And he starts talking about how
Speaker 2: dangerous measles are and she's like, your vac shut up.
Speaker 2: I don't care, and she has a Taru update to
Speaker 2: shut him up from spiraling. It's Larry Heller and his
Speaker 2: phone serial number is embedded in all the photos and
Speaker 2: he is the one that spread the photos to the
Speaker 2: portent sites. And they're gonna pass this off to Barbara
Speaker 2: as a professional courtesy, you know, lawyer to lawyer. So
Speaker 2: Rollins is getting back to him from earlier having to
Speaker 2: talk to all those parents. And now we see Susie
Speaker 2: Esmond yelling at Barbara.
Speaker 3: She goes, my son is a screw up.
Speaker 2: He's not a pornographer, and it's like, that's what you
Speaker 2: want to think, but he is a pornographer, so shut up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, why did he upload them? Why did he upload them?
Speaker 1: Sad you didn't get invited, so you're just gonna like
Speaker 1: put them all over the internet.
Speaker 2: Barbara goes, dissemination baby, and this worries her since those
Speaker 2: charges as an automatic like sex Registry for Life. Rollins
Speaker 2: reminds her that photos were also geotagged, which puts people
Speaker 2: in extra danger, and Susie goes, you know what puts
Speaker 2: kids in extra danger? Partying while they have the measles.
Speaker 2: That's fucking serious. And they're all not vaccinated. They all
Speaker 2: lied about it and their kids are not vaxed. So
Speaker 2: even though Barba says, like the spread of measles isn't
Speaker 2: a crime, she says, these hippie dippy moms are fucking
Speaker 2: criminals and they're lying bitches. And he goes proof and
Speaker 2: she's like, hello, yeah, there's a New York mandate that
Speaker 2: you have to be vaxed to go to school, and
Speaker 2: their kids are at the school. How they colludeed to
Speaker 2: get around the mandate and Barba is taken aback, like
Speaker 2: WHOA really colluding? And she's like, yeah, why don't you
Speaker 2: worry about the measles not a lipstick porn witch hunt? Funny,
Speaker 2: I bet you, I bet that's Susie. That's that's our queen.
Speaker 2: And he's like, we don't want to put your son
Speaker 2: on the registry. But he doesn't just get a free pass.
Speaker 2: She says, he's sixteen and online stickos are using him,
Speaker 2: and so she suggests how about he cooperates and helps
Speaker 2: them get to the bigger sickos and Barbara goes, but
Speaker 2: he also has to testify, and she says if need be,
Speaker 2: so we're done here and we will be in touch
Speaker 2: and we're off to the races. So he's going to
Speaker 2: become like a pedophile internet hunter to get the charges dropped,
Speaker 2: and then Barbara's gonna go on a measle brigade. So
Speaker 2: once she leaves, Barbara says, to rollin, she called our bluff.
Speaker 2: But I don't get that.
Speaker 3: Do you. Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think they were like they probably didn't have enough
Speaker 1: to like get Larry, but like or no, wait.
Speaker 2: They did that A had the serial numbers on the
Speaker 2: photos there bad. She called our bluff. Oh maybe there weren't.
Speaker 2: And I don't know. I just didn't get what bluff
Speaker 2: it was. So if anyone knows, holler. So he says,
Speaker 2: she called her bluff and that measles misdirect offense is
Speaker 2: the best defense, and then she fills him in about
Speaker 2: the measles chain that led to Noah being in the hospital.
Speaker 2: Rollin says this could be reckless and dangerment and Barba says, great,
Speaker 2: go find out if it is. And so now we're
Speaker 2: back at Tribeca Academy with an empty lunch room, walk
Speaker 2: and talk and it's Finn an Amaro and the principal
Speaker 2: and the school is now closed for a week. And
Speaker 2: Finn is like, hello, vaccines, and she says, yeah, I know.
Speaker 2: Every health form has been checked and there are only
Speaker 2: two exemptions and both were allergy related. And they ask
Speaker 2: about religious or personal reasons, and she goes, nope, we
Speaker 2: do not allow that at this institution. He wants to
Speaker 2: dig through the forms anyway, So they be digging, and
Speaker 2: they're digging and they're all signed by doctors, and all
Speaker 2: the infected kids, however, have the same address on their
Speaker 2: doctor vaccine forms, and so she gets a text and
Speaker 2: another two measle cases are confirmed and all of them
Speaker 2: are going to the same doctor.
Speaker 3: That's not good.
Speaker 2: And Benson is being filled in via cell phone call
Speaker 2: while she's in the hospital of all this, and she
Speaker 2: keeps wearing white peasant tops throughout this whole episode, and
Speaker 2: I want, no, she's not pregnant here. I wonder what
Speaker 2: why peasant tops this.
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, it's like lives Casual, where is always
Speaker 1: a peasant top?
Speaker 3: I feel like our next photo shoot. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So, now Benson's pissed and is like, the CDC needs
Speaker 2: to know, and now we got to go talk to
Speaker 2: that doctor. And speaking of doctors, Noah's doctor now marches
Speaker 2: on in and Noah's fighting a respiratory infection now too,
Speaker 2: And before she goes back to tend to Noah, Benson
Speaker 2: asks her, Hey, do you know about this doctor? And
Speaker 2: she asks the name of the doctor, and Noah's doctor
Speaker 2: says he's old school. Not a lot of meds are tests,
Speaker 2: and Benson shakes her head in disgust. But he is
Speaker 2: a popular doctor, so dundun, We're gonna go visit him.
Speaker 2: Hudson Park Pediatrics. Let's fucking go March twelfth. He says, yeah, ye,
Speaker 2: I've heard about this, but how is this a police matter? Well, sir, funny,
Speaker 2: you should ask nine of the kids at the school
Speaker 2: who got me.
Speaker 3: Those got their vaccines here.
Speaker 2: So now, the doctor is played by a man named
Speaker 2: David Marglees who did die in twenty sixteen Rest in Peace,
Speaker 2: but he is the mayor and Ghostbusters.
Speaker 3: Oh shit, yeah, that's huge.
Speaker 2: He's a long career Brighton Beach Memoirs, Dressed to Kill
Speaker 2: the Sopranos.
Speaker 3: I totally recognize him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's been on the Mothership and then Ellie. He
Speaker 2: played el E Yzell in the maid Off mini series
Speaker 2: and he's been in an ace Ventura, so kind of
Speaker 2: a big deal. Yeah, which is cool and lovely career.
Speaker 2: And he plays this like hippie dippy doctor and I
Speaker 2: can't believe he was in Ghostbusters. He has a receding
Speaker 2: hairline but then a long, long ponytail in the back
Speaker 2: and I just like, don't think doctors should have ponytails.
Speaker 3: But whatever.
Speaker 2: But it's also like, this is our man put him
Speaker 2: on trial. He's definitely lying on paperwork for sure. He's like,
Speaker 2: fuck authority man. So he promises to get them the
Speaker 2: paperwork that they're looking for, but he has a room
Speaker 2: of patients and he's busy and he's gotta go. So
Speaker 2: now Winter where Buddies, Caresie and Rowlins are walking outside
Speaker 2: and are like, he's lying and stonewalling us, and he
Speaker 2: is not to be trusted. That fugly skank bitch. That's
Speaker 2: a mean girl's reference. So now they start again talking
Speaker 2: to the mothers, and they're at Savannah's mom's house where
Speaker 2: the party was, and the measles are at everything in
Speaker 2: the wine and the kitchen and the lunch and the
Speaker 2: wood cabinets that we're here and ground zero, and she
Speaker 2: assures them that kids are vaxed, but everyone knows they're
Speaker 2: not completely effective, and Cariese says, that's funny, that's just
Speaker 2: what this ponytail doctor said. And she's taken aback, like,
Speaker 2: what the fuck you spoke to a pediatrician? What gives
Speaker 2: you the right? And Abanda breaks it down to the lady.
Speaker 2: All the measles come from his office, so we think
Speaker 2: he's falsifying records.
Speaker 3: Do you know anything about that?
Speaker 2: And in walks this teen girl and she has measles
Speaker 2: galore all over her face and then the violins start playing,
Speaker 2: and this teen doesn't understand, like this measle thing is
Speaker 2: important yet, and so she goes, look, we were just
Speaker 2: having fun. That loser Larry ruined it for everyone. And
Speaker 2: then she goes Rollin says, you need to tell us
Speaker 2: what's going on, and she doesn't. So they threaten the
Speaker 2: mom and say that they will have the DA look
Speaker 2: back on your daughter's child porn case or start talking
Speaker 2: ho and so she breathes deep and she starts to spill,
Speaker 2: you don't understand. She was just a baby, and it
Speaker 2: was all these chemicals and the threat of autism, and
Speaker 2: you know she tried to get a religious exemption and
Speaker 2: she couldn't. And so he goes, so then you went
Speaker 2: to that doctor to falsify the records, and she goes,
Speaker 2: it wasn't my idea, and he goes, whose was it.
Speaker 3: We know whose it was.
Speaker 2: It's Trudy Honey, Queen Bee Angel, Missy Pile, Trudy malcom So,
Speaker 2: Ben and Cinna Barbar at her house. Now they're talking
Speaker 2: vaccines and she's like, the risks are more harmful than
Speaker 2: the benefits, okay, and she too can get exemptions since
Speaker 2: those were lies and she goes, yeah, like this doctor
Speaker 2: also believes that parents should have the right to decide
Speaker 2: what's best for their children. And Barbara pushes her and says,
Speaker 2: so you convinced other parents to go to him to
Speaker 2: skirt the law. She says, the law is unjust and
Speaker 2: I'm protecting my child and you don't even know how
Speaker 2: many moms thank me for what I'm doing. And Benson's like,
Speaker 2: doing so, you're still steering parents to the doctor, So
Speaker 2: we're gonna need their names, and she says, hell fucking no.
Speaker 2: And she says, fuck the AMA, fuck the CDC, fuck
Speaker 2: the Board of Health and Education. Their villains go after them.
Speaker 2: And she says, no, bitch, you're encouraging other parents and
Speaker 2: endangering the health of every child in the city. And
Speaker 2: Trudy then goes, oh, this is personal, right because your
Speaker 2: son became ill. Now you're coming after me. And Barba says,
Speaker 2: this has nothing to do with Noah. This has to
Speaker 2: do with you proudly and loudly breaking the law and
Speaker 2: this is public endangerment and we will stop you. And
Speaker 2: she's smileless since she's never had to face the consequence
Speaker 2: in her life, and she's just like, bring it. Bitch,
Speaker 2: it's already been brought in. Okay, so now we're in court.
Speaker 3: Baby.
Speaker 2: The charges are conspiracy, reckless endangerment and falsifying business records
Speaker 2: in the second degree.
Speaker 3: How do you plead?
Speaker 2: The judge acts and she says, I'm only pleading to
Speaker 2: doing what's best for my son, and the lawyer goes
Speaker 2: your honor.
Speaker 3: She pleads not guilty. And then this attorney is Varma.
Speaker 2: He's played and so I went on as IMDb to
Speaker 2: like see who this man was, and it said most
Speaker 2: well known from being the third security guard in entrapment
Speaker 2: and it's like, that is not what he's best known for.
Speaker 2: He's had two hundred and seventy one episodes on a
Speaker 2: BBC show called Holy City and it's a doctor show,
Speaker 2: and so it's like, I couldn't believe they said he's
Speaker 2: best known for third security Guard. So rude, but yeah,
Speaker 2: he's a British dude. I think a lot of BBC things.
Speaker 2: And he's been in four episodes as Sunil Varma and
Speaker 2: there is an ro r request because she's a good
Speaker 2: girl and her son is sick and Barba's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: he's sick because of you. The judge's like, whatever, go home,
Speaker 2: I don't really care, and then asks if the doctor
Speaker 2: and his lawyer also share the same views, and the
Speaker 2: attorney asks to approach the bench. So the doctor's attorney
Speaker 2: and Barba approach and he's like, my client would like
Speaker 2: to separate himself from Joan of arc back there, Elo,
Speaker 2: this is a funny one. And he's super close to
Speaker 2: retirement and is willing to plead guilty for reckless endangerment.
Speaker 2: In the second if Barba takes prison off the table,
Speaker 2: and Barba's like, why so, then he could just move
Speaker 2: his ass to Florida, and he goes, listen, we need
Speaker 2: names of all the patients he falsified records for, forfeits
Speaker 2: his license, and agrees to testify against Miss Malco, and
Speaker 2: the lawyer thinks for maybe two seconds, it says, I'm
Speaker 2: sure that won't be a problem.
Speaker 3: So we're done. Deal, deal. The doctor's done and happy retirement.
Speaker 1: And Trudy had earlier been like we're in this together
Speaker 1: with the doctor, and the Doctor's like, bye, bitch, okay.
Speaker 2: So Barbara speeds from court into the hallway and Cariese
Speaker 2: and Susie Esmond are there to chit chat a little
Speaker 2: bit he says that actually, Larry is such a good
Speaker 2: CI and has uncovered six pedophiles on the hook ready
Speaker 2: to exchange stuff, and Taru's going to get in on it,
Speaker 2: and we're good with this. So that's really exciting that
Speaker 2: six pedophiles will be arrested. And she says she's relieved,
Speaker 2: and does he have any updates on typhoid Trudy or
Speaker 2: or other anti vaxer moms, And Barba's like, actually, you're
Speaker 2: a good CI. Two And Trudy got caught and she's
Speaker 2: being her rain and Susie says, you're welcome, and they
Speaker 2: all run away from her as fast as they can.
Speaker 2: Now it's Supreme Court, Part thirteen and Barbara is standing
Speaker 2: court and doctor Rudnick's on the stand. Oh my god,
Speaker 2: that little killer psycho and he's talking about measles and
Speaker 2: the outbreak and basically the school is patient zero. And
Speaker 2: then like one kid got it because they went on
Speaker 2: a trip to the Pacific Palis, which is here around
Speaker 2: Los Angeles.
Speaker 3: It's like a rich area.
Speaker 2: If you watch the show Transparent, that's where it was
Speaker 2: all set. You can go look at those houses. And
Speaker 2: then they all so one kid went to the Palisades.
Speaker 2: Then they all spread from there and now there's forty
Speaker 2: eight cases and all are unvexed people. And then the
Speaker 2: soprano's sister is the judge in this episode, and Varma's
Speaker 2: going in on him without even standing up, sitting down.
Speaker 2: Questioning is kind of a power movement. It is sexy.
Speaker 2: And also the other moms are very much legally blonde friends.
Speaker 2: They're like supporting in the stands. It's really cute. And
Speaker 2: so he starts asking promes the lines of questioning like
Speaker 2: how many people are fucked by vaccines? And Carl's like,
Speaker 2: I don't know, leave me alone. What percentage of kids
Speaker 2: get side effects? He goes, I don't know, I don't
Speaker 2: know whatever. So basically he goes, those side effects happen
Speaker 2: to one in a million kids, and he goes, sure,
Speaker 2: but tell that to a parent whose child is experiencing them.
Speaker 2: And Trudy looks evil and power hungry and happy with
Speaker 2: her attorney's performance. And we hear Benson's voice and now
Speaker 2: she's on the stand and she's talking about Noah and
Speaker 2: her baby and how Noah got sick because of the
Speaker 2: Tribeca spread. But the defense objects and it's sustains, so
Speaker 2: we got to switch it up. And now it's like,
Speaker 2: you know, the tearjerker story of how Noah is having
Speaker 2: a really really hard time in the hospital and he's
Speaker 2: still in the ICU with measles and pneumonia and it's
Speaker 2: really sad. The lawyer is respectful and stands up and says,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry your son is sick, but admit it. That's
Speaker 2: the reason your department is pursuing this case. And she
Speaker 2: gets super business Benson, focusing on Trude. She led a
Speaker 2: coordinated effort to hide unimmunized students in New York City schools.
Speaker 3: That is child endangerment.
Speaker 2: But he hits back, Yeah, but you decided that after
Speaker 2: your child got sick, which I don't know how that matters,
Speaker 2: but like, good play, honestly. And now he hits below
Speaker 2: the belt and says, your son, I mean your foster son.
Speaker 3: What the fuck? What does that mean? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Fuck pants to Rollin's and Careesy and they're listening very
Speaker 2: you know, in depthly and basically he's going after her
Speaker 2: because Noah's shots were delayed because of his compromised immune system.
Speaker 2: And his point is, if you had the option to
Speaker 2: wait for your son's shots. Shouldn't other parents have the
Speaker 2: option to opt their kids out? And she's been got
Speaker 2: Everyone knows that, Barbara, like everyone knows that that is
Speaker 2: a good line of questioning. Trudy is a great actress,
Speaker 2: Missy Pile's amazing. And she it's like her face isn't cocky,
Speaker 2: it's not looking down on her. I don't know how
Speaker 2: to describe it, but her lay her feelings are layered
Speaker 2: and not clear, but stern and confident. It's like wild,
Speaker 2: like I just really love her acting here and Benson
Speaker 2: is stammering down the hallway on her cell phone saying,
Speaker 2: I'm not panicking, I'm coming down. So Truty stops from
Speaker 2: Benson's like, no, I'm not interested in this, and Trudy says,
Speaker 2: your son will get through this and he will never
Speaker 2: get measles again and he will be stronger. And it's like, Okay,
Speaker 2: where did you get your degree? Like how are you
Speaker 2: so confident about this? And Benson says, don't even go
Speaker 2: there with me. Right now, my son is in the hospital,
Speaker 2: and she overshares and says something about antibiotics, and Trudy
Speaker 2: starts internet quoting how antibiotics are bad and blames his
Speaker 2: poor immune system on the antibiotics, like anything to fit
Speaker 2: this bitch's narrative, and she says, you may want to
Speaker 2: think about that, and Benson turns around and goes, you
Speaker 2: may want to think about shutting your mouth.
Speaker 3: My son has pneumonia because of you.
Speaker 2: And Barbara runs in to ask if she's doing okay,
Speaker 2: and she goes, no, if his fever doesn't go down,
Speaker 2: that he's going to need a spinal tap, and then
Speaker 2: she stares at Trudy as the elevator doors shut back
Speaker 2: in court, and Trudy's on the stand acting toxic nice,
Speaker 2: like too nice, and she is just spouting anti vactionhit
Speaker 2: Her nephew, Branden is eighteen, but around his first birthday
Speaker 2: he got all these vaccines and then regressed into autism
Speaker 2: and how do you know that that's linked? And she says,
Speaker 2: a few days after his MMR vaccination he changed. He
Speaker 2: was a bright, lively, engaged boy, and said only he
Speaker 2: wasn't and everyone saw the light disappear from his eyes.
Speaker 2: And her son was born a year later, and she
Speaker 2: swore that she would never do that to her son.
Speaker 2: And the attorney says, so you're in the spirit of
Speaker 2: saving children, and you know he's good, and he sits down,
Speaker 2: and now it's Barba's turn, and did you know that
Speaker 2: the Institute for Medicine and CDC have said there's no
Speaker 2: link between vaccines and autism? And she says she does
Speaker 2: not trust any of them in big forma and she
Speaker 2: quotes the theory that Barbara quickly responds that has been
Speaker 2: refuted and that the ingredient she keeps talking about has
Speaker 2: not been put in vaccine since two thousand and one.
Speaker 2: And she's like, I know every fucking argument you all
Speaker 2: throw at us anti vaxers to make us seem crazy,
Speaker 2: and we're not. I'm not anti science, I'm not anti vaccine.
Speaker 2: I just think it should be a choice made by families,
Speaker 2: not by bureacrats. So then Barbara's gonna use what she
Speaker 2: says against her, and it's like get him okay. So
Speaker 2: he's like, okay, so bureaucrats like the Board of Education
Speaker 2: and she says yes. So he goes, well this, you
Speaker 2: know schools you're not allowed to bring weapons. Do you
Speaker 2: like that? And she goes yes, and then Barbara asks,
Speaker 2: likes you also agree that like kids shouldn't be able
Speaker 2: to take peanuts and peanut butter to school because one
Speaker 2: kid's allergic to peanuts, and she goes, yes, of course,
Speaker 2: she says, of course, and it's like, you should have lied.
Speaker 3: Did you not see this coming?
Speaker 2: And Barba says, if a mom wanted to make a
Speaker 2: peanut butter sandwich for her kid, you would deny her
Speaker 2: that choice, right, And she says yes, but denying a
Speaker 2: kid a peanut butter sandwich causes no harm. But vaccines
Speaker 2: are harmful, and Barba says, sure, but not to medical science,
Speaker 2: so your opinion doesn't even matter. And he says, but
Speaker 2: not vaccinating does cause harm all over the city. The
Speaker 2: last count as fifty five hundred people were exposed. And
Speaker 2: she says, my child, my right, my decision. But you
Speaker 2: didn't just make a decision for your son, You made
Speaker 2: it for everyone. You endangered everyone else. And what gives
Speaker 2: you the right to take away their choice? And again
Speaker 2: her face looks different and pissed but also dead in
Speaker 2: the eyes, and it's like, are you on pills?
Speaker 3: I don't know, but she loves nature, so she probably.
Speaker 2: Wouldn't be on pills, Like, I don't know if the
Speaker 2: willness girls pop.
Speaker 1: Up, yeah, I don't know if the Willness girls fuck
Speaker 1: with like the pills.
Speaker 2: We're back at the coffee area at the precinct and
Speaker 2: recently someone tweeted at us that she is obsessed. You know,
Speaker 2: I love when they take out she's obsessed anytime they
Speaker 2: make coffee, and someone makes coffee on the show. So
Speaker 2: we all love to like find our little moments and
Speaker 2: cling to them. So shout out to the girl that tweeted.
Speaker 2: I don't think I responded, but you're in my heart
Speaker 2: and brain. I'm thinking about you. So we're at the
Speaker 2: coffee area. Tomorrow tells Rollins no spinal tap for now,
Speaker 2: so that's very good news for a little baby Noah.
Speaker 2: He then opens up about Gil and the mom do
Speaker 2: going to Cali and he wants to be a part
Speaker 2: of his life and you know he's a father and
Speaker 2: I'm trying whatever. They're having a moment, so Tomorrow goes,
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to make everything work and it's so hard,
Speaker 2: like doesn't anything get easier, And then Rollins goes, not
Speaker 2: what I've heard, it's gonna get worse, and it's like
Speaker 2: Amen's sister and Cariese says sorry to interrupt, and they
Speaker 2: in unison monotone go you're not in her and he's like, okay, cool,
Speaker 2: Jerry's back, so let's see what's up. Not guilty on
Speaker 2: endangerment charges. I'm shocked, but she is found guilty on
Speaker 2: reckless and dangermint and in second degree whatever that means.
Speaker 3: But at least we got something.
Speaker 2: Benson is still in the hospital and Amorrow and Finn
Speaker 2: arrive behind her to chat, and Trudy is getting three
Speaker 2: months in jail and nine months probation. And I know
Speaker 2: that's not that much, but for like a rich, spoiled
Speaker 2: bitch like that, Like I bet three months in prison
Speaker 2: is really going to do a number on her and
Speaker 2: not I don't mean to be Craig and like let's
Speaker 2: get her raped. I'm just saying in general, like people
Speaker 2: telling you what to like, you come from power, and
Speaker 2: now you will have hopefully no power, no power, yeah,
Speaker 2: and probably be people will want to fuck. Well, maybe
Speaker 2: she'll have power because she'll have a big commissary. She
Speaker 2: can buy every own cups of noodles. Like she'll just
Speaker 2: be like throwing cups of noodles like Trump did the
Speaker 2: paper towels and Puerto Ricos.
Speaker 3: Yeah, can you imagine the food this woman is.
Speaker 1: Gonna have to eat after like probably having a macrobiotic
Speaker 1: diet or whatever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that, but the worst is over with Noah
Speaker 2: and they'll be home in a day or two, so
Speaker 2: that's really good. And then she goes to stare at
Speaker 2: her baby lovingly and that's a nice ending to this
Speaker 2: wild kind of fun episode. I mean there's no rape,
Speaker 2: which is exciting. Yeah, that rarely happens. You know, child
Speaker 2: pornographers are like put in jail, but we don't need
Speaker 2: to see the children that are being damn.
Speaker 3: It's just like, this is a fun episode.
Speaker 1: Fun aha, like straight up fun, and I've got some
Speaker 1: more fun crimes to tell you about as soon as
Speaker 1: we come back.
Speaker 2: Well, sub is also so dark that it's like a
Speaker 2: baby is in the hospital about to get a spinal
Speaker 2: tap and we're like, what a pleasant episode honestly, but yes,
Speaker 2: we'll be back.
Speaker 3: So let's get into it. This is a couple.
Speaker 1: This is a few different things. So I wanted to
Speaker 1: first talk about rainbow parties. So apparently thank you fill
Speaker 1: me in, yes, babe. So apparently these rainbow parties a
Speaker 1: sex party where you know, the girls got the different
Speaker 1: colors of lipstick and blow. All the guys were first
Speaker 1: introduced as a concept on OPRAH in two thousand and three. Okay,
Speaker 1: and the story started with surprise a Christian. This Christian
Speaker 1: pediatrician named Meg Meeker had written a book in two
Speaker 1: thousand and two called Epidemic colon How teen Sex is
Speaker 1: Killing Our Kids and talked about how all these problems
Speaker 1: in life, like cancer being sterile infections, unwanted pregnancies, they're
Speaker 1: all a result of starting sexual activity too early. So
Speaker 1: she goes on and talks about it in two thousand
Speaker 1: and three. Most people are like, these are not real.
Speaker 1: These parties are not real. This is like an urban legend.
Speaker 1: And then in two thousand and five, this guy named
Speaker 1: Paul Reditis wrote a book called Rainbow Party, which nobody
Speaker 1: really read, but it like got the conservatives freaked out
Speaker 1: and talking, and just in the end, there was no
Speaker 1: evidence that these parties were actually happening. It was a
Speaker 1: full urban legend and part of a moral panic which
Speaker 1: suburbs love to get involved in.
Speaker 2: So I'm shocked you didn't mention the satanic panic in
Speaker 2: this moment.
Speaker 3: Well, it's coming up later, So then that leads us to.
Speaker 2: Quick I'm pissed I wanted more Rainbow Party knowledge.
Speaker 1: I know, there's just like no info because it's like
Speaker 1: they're not real, Okay. So this is also based on
Speaker 1: a nineteen ninety six syphilis outbreak that happened in Rockdale County, Georgia.
Speaker 3: And in nineteen ninety.
Speaker 1: Six, there was this big outbreak of syphilis among a
Speaker 1: bunch of teens in and around Conyers, Georgia, which is
Speaker 1: the suburb of Atlanta. And in the end, two hundred
Speaker 1: kids were believed to have been infected with this STI.
Speaker 1: And there was this huge frontline documentary called The Lost
Speaker 1: Children of Rockdale County and the documentary basically on earthed
Speaker 1: this whole world of these teens in this sort of
Speaker 1: like affluent suburb where these kids were living a world
Speaker 1: that their parents knew nothing about, drugs, sex, rock and roll, right.
Speaker 3: So it started with Cynthia Noel.
Speaker 1: A nurse at a county hospital, discovered the outbreak and
Speaker 1: then they traced it back to this one girl who
Speaker 1: had numerous sexual partners. But then the outbreak happened because
Speaker 1: all the teens in this area were extremely promiscuous. Like
Speaker 1: in that documentary they talk about group sex, multiple partners,
Speaker 1: girls getting quote unquote passed around. And this really shocks
Speaker 1: people because some people in this group were as young
Speaker 1: as twelve and thirteen. It's kind of like the movie
Speaker 1: Kids came out around this time and everybody.
Speaker 3: Was like so shocked around, like what goes on with kids?
Speaker 2: Like when they're I mean, if you're not fucked up
Speaker 2: watching kids, you need professional intervention, like you have it
Speaker 2: like that is one of the that movie haunted me
Speaker 2: to this day.
Speaker 1: But I think that in Kids, those kids live in
Speaker 1: New York City and everyone's like, yeah, New York City
Speaker 1: kids grow up faster, they're.
Speaker 3: Gonna be like that.
Speaker 1: With this kind of thing. People are shocked because they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: but we're good parents and these are good kids, and
Speaker 1: we live in the suburbs.
Speaker 3: And it's very true, like the Trudy Malco of it all.
Speaker 2: You know, well, well, and this is opposite for me
Speaker 2: because city kids are busy, there's a lot to do.
Speaker 3: They're running around.
Speaker 2: Suburbs is where people cause problems, yes, because.
Speaker 1: Wishing with their time. Yeah, they're just like, what are
Speaker 1: we going to do? Might as well suck and fuck
Speaker 1: right suck.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So the teens are not taking this seriously at all.
Speaker 3: And the parents are like totally blindsided.
Speaker 1: A lot of them are busy and they're not really
Speaker 1: part of their kids' lives that much. I mean they are,
Speaker 1: but they assume that their teens are kind of like
Speaker 1: self governing at this point.
Speaker 3: So by April of nineteen.
Speaker 1: Ninety six, the syphilist outbreak is under control, but then
Speaker 1: the larger issue of these kids like wilding out is
Speaker 1: just beginning to be discussed. So in nineteen ninety seven,
Speaker 1: the county Health Department calls a town meeting. The parents
Speaker 1: like could not believe this was all going down without
Speaker 1: them knowing. Everyone's looking for excuses, but the and the
Speaker 1: parents just like couldn't really accept that it was about quote,
Speaker 1: their lack of communication with their children and that this
Speaker 1: is from the description of the front Line, and they
Speaker 1: were in total denial. And then the issues of like
Speaker 1: just stopped there, like there was no other talk about it.
Speaker 1: And then I just thought it was kind of interesting
Speaker 1: to add that in nineteen ninety nine, like two years later,
Speaker 1: one month after Columbine, there was a school shooting at
Speaker 1: that high school where a lot of this went down
Speaker 1: while Frontline was still doing all of their interviews with
Speaker 1: these kids. And the shooter ended up just wounding six
Speaker 1: people and thankfully nobody died. But he was like apparently
Speaker 1: just upset over a breakup with his girlfriend and was like,
Speaker 1: by all accounts, just an ordinary T shirt.
Speaker 3: And so the shooting is a mystery. But it's like,
Speaker 3: this just seems like a.
Speaker 1: Town where like the blinders are on about the kids,
Speaker 1: Like they don't understand what the kids are doing, they
Speaker 1: don't understand what's driving or motivating the kids, like, and
Speaker 1: this didn't this outbreak of the Syphilist didn't even really
Speaker 1: feel like it taught them anything. So then the third
Speaker 1: thing that this episode is based on is like the
Speaker 1: anti vax movement in general. And then around this time
Speaker 1: of that, when this episode came out in twenty fifteen
Speaker 1: twenty fourteen fifteen, there had been another big measles outbreak.
Speaker 1: So this episode obviously tackles the anti vax movement than
Speaker 1: the outbreaks of essentially eradicated diseases that have come roaring
Speaker 1: back to life because of this movement and has been
Speaker 1: fueled by a lot of misinformation from the very beginning
Speaker 1: of time. So I just wanted to give a little
Speaker 1: bit more info. So this episode came out April of
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen, and in twenty fourteen there was a outbreak
Speaker 1: at Disneyland right here in sunny Los Angeles. And measles
Speaker 1: is like kind of what we thought COVID was back
Speaker 1: in March of twenty twenty, Like, it's extremely extremely contagious.
Speaker 1: It can live on surfaces, it can live in the
Speaker 1: air in a room for up to two hours, so
Speaker 1: someone with measles walks out of the room like you
Speaker 1: know you're getting it. And we thought ten day quarantine
Speaker 1: was bad. You can get measles for up to twenty
Speaker 1: one days from exposure, so it's like a much longer
Speaker 1: like incubation period or of possible incubation period. So before
Speaker 1: the measles vaccine became widely administered in nineteen sixty three,
Speaker 1: about three to four million Americans got measles every year,
Speaker 1: about of which four hundred to five hundred people died
Speaker 1: from it.
Speaker 3: So in a country of millions and.
Speaker 1: Millions of people the way that the US is, that
Speaker 1: doesn't sound like huge numbers, but still, why would four
Speaker 1: hundred and five hundred kids have to die for something
Speaker 1: that's now there's a vaccine for So the measles vaccine
Speaker 1: is called MMR and it stands for Measles Moms and
Speaker 1: Rubella and kids do not get it until they are
Speaker 1: twelve months old. I guess I thought that Noah was
Speaker 1: twelve months, but he may be on a delayed schedule
Speaker 1: because of his immunal compromise that he's probably you know,
Speaker 1: fifteen to eighteen months or something. So these outbreaks are
Speaker 1: very scary if you have a kid, like I remember
Speaker 1: when I had Rosie and I was like, oh, wow,
Speaker 1: she could get measles from somebody in the next year.
Speaker 1: Like the other vaccines you get sort of quickly, and
Speaker 1: MMR is one they have to wait until they're one.
Speaker 1: So it's like, oh, geez, I really hope that she
Speaker 1: doesn't get measles, you know. And that's like these kids,
Speaker 1: like Noah's age or younger, they have no protection. And
Speaker 1: in twenty fourteen, the Disneyland outbreak was attributed in part
Speaker 1: to children who had not been vaccinated, and it grew
Speaker 1: to about one hundred fifty cases across seven other states
Speaker 1: in addition to California, and then Mexico and Canada as well.
Speaker 1: Because it's fucking Disneyland, everyone's coming there. And then they're
Speaker 1: taking it around, taking the measles around and spread it out.
Speaker 1: So it took four months before health officials declared an
Speaker 1: end to the outbreak at Disneyland. In twenty fifteen, states
Speaker 1: like California, and I would wager in New York because
Speaker 1: of the way they talk about it in this episode,
Speaker 1: started to require school children receive vaccinations and less medical
Speaker 1: reasons required them not to do so, so that put
Speaker 1: an end to the personal and religious reason loophole. Like
Speaker 1: you used to be able to say, Oh, I have
Speaker 1: a religious or a personal reason why I can't do this,
Speaker 1: and that like put an end to that. So that
Speaker 1: law caused the number of people applying for exceptions to triple,
Speaker 1: which is crazy. So more and more people applied for
Speaker 1: exceptions just knowing that the religious exceptions were no longer accepted.
Speaker 1: And in twenty nineteen, California started to crack down on
Speaker 1: bogus medical exemptions authorized by quote unquote unscrupulous doctors.
Speaker 3: This is what the New York Times says.
Speaker 1: And then beginning on January first, parents seeking and a
Speaker 1: medical exemption for their child would need approval by the
Speaker 1: state Health department, so you could no longer go to
Speaker 1: a Trudy Malco, cuckoo doctor who would just give you
Speaker 1: this exemption and do stuff in a shady way. Now
Speaker 1: you have to go through the state health department. So
Speaker 1: a little bit about the history of the anti vax movement.
Speaker 1: I think that the anti vax movement feels very two thousands,
Speaker 1: like it started at the beginning of this of the
Speaker 1: two thousands. But vaccines started with smallpox in the eighteen
Speaker 1: hundreds and ever since then there have.
Speaker 3: Been anti vax people.
Speaker 1: In the seventies, there was a lot of uproar over
Speaker 1: the DTP shot, the diphtheria, tetanus and protestis vaccine, which
Speaker 1: is also known as like the whooping cough vaccine or
Speaker 1: like your tetna shot, and that was a huge thing.
Speaker 1: People thought that was injurious to people as well. And
Speaker 1: then in the late nineties is when MMR stepped into
Speaker 1: the spotlight and that was like the big deal with
Speaker 1: MMR became the big evil vaccine. And that's what we're
Speaker 1: talking about in this episode. So in nineteen ninety eight,
Speaker 1: a discredited British doctor a since discredited. He wasn't at
Speaker 1: the time, but he has been now British doctor named
Speaker 1: Andrew Wakefield wrote a paper suggesting that there was a
Speaker 1: relationship between bal disease, autism, and the MMR vaccine, and
Speaker 1: autism is now referred to as autism spectrum disorder. So
Speaker 1: I will talk about it as ASD for the remainder
Speaker 1: of this episode, just so everyone is clear. So his
Speaker 1: paper was published in a prestigious medical journal called The Landset,
Speaker 1: and in it he claimed to have identified a novel
Speaker 1: form of entero colitis linked to ASD, but other researchers
Speaker 1: could not replicate his findings. He's the only person that
Speaker 1: said that this happened in his research. So six years
Speaker 1: after this comes out two thousand and four, a Sunday
Speaker 1: Times reporter named Brian Deere discovers that Wakefield, Oh what
Speaker 1: a surprise, has a financial interest in this bullshit because
Speaker 1: he stood to make the forty three million dollars selling
Speaker 1: testing kits. So this is literally, my god, Yeah, this
Speaker 1: is literally what anti vax people think Fauci is doing.
Speaker 1: Like he's making up COVID so that he can make
Speaker 1: money off of like COVID tests. Like that's what people
Speaker 1: they're like. When you see Vicky Gunbolson on Real Ultimate
Speaker 1: Girls Trip, Real Housewives and she goes follow the money.
Speaker 3: It's like, you're psychotic.
Speaker 1: This eighty year old man who's worked for the CDC
Speaker 1: is not pulling a fifty year long con on us
Speaker 1: and trying to sell tests for money. What's he gonna
Speaker 1: He's doctor faucis so old. What's he doing with that
Speaker 1: fucking money?
Speaker 3: Anyway? It's crazy.
Speaker 2: So this guy wakes for so ut sometimes old people
Speaker 2: they found that Emmett. The Emmett tellwoman, Oh sure, I'm
Speaker 2: just saying, like they got to just start a medical
Speaker 2: scam in twenty twenty when you're as old as doctor
Speaker 2: Fauci is kind of nuts and respected, decades long, respected career. Yeah,
Speaker 2: what does he need money for? I'm sure he invested well,
Speaker 2: I'm sure he has a summer home and paid for
Speaker 2: his grandkids college.
Speaker 1: And it's right wing people that are the ones that
Speaker 1: suddenly invested in PPE when they heard about COVID before
Speaker 1: everyone else, you know, when they knew what was coming.
Speaker 2: And that blonde bitch that Brent Sulivan says you look
Speaker 2: like like yeh and her husband that invested in Zoom.
Speaker 3: Leffler, Yes, cal I think Kelly Leffler in Georgia.
Speaker 1: Yeah, crazy like they're the one anyway, asks So most
Speaker 1: of Wakefield's co authors on the paper withdrew their support
Speaker 1: of the study the.
Speaker 2: GI it's not bigger news. I'm like shook right now. Oh,
Speaker 2: I didn't know money was connected in this. I didn't
Speaker 2: know money scammarted.
Speaker 1: His research is fully bogused, and this is the main
Speaker 1: paper that kicked it off. Okay, and the General Medical Council,
Speaker 1: which is called the GMC, started looking into misconduct about Wakefield, Okay,
Speaker 1: in twenty ten after it sounds like this, you know,
Speaker 1: the article came out four and not un till twenty
Speaker 1: ten did they rule. But I guess it took six
Speaker 1: years to figure out what this guy had been up to.
Speaker 1: They ruled that he had acted quote dishonestly and irresponsibly
Speaker 1: end quote in doing his research. So, first of all,
Speaker 1: Wakefield is a gastro entrologist at the time. He does
Speaker 1: this research that has nothing to do with this brand
Speaker 1: of like you know, of autism or this branch of medicine.
Speaker 1: So he's putting these kids through shits like spinal taps,
Speaker 1: like the kids that he's testing, spinal taps, all this stuff,
Speaker 1: and he is not qualified for that. He also to
Speaker 1: get blood samples, paid children at his son's birthday parties
Speaker 1: five pounds for blood samples, so random little kids are
Speaker 1: just like yo, cool dad alert. We got five p
Speaker 1: at this guy at this kid's party because his dad
Speaker 1: wanted our blood. So he's fully a snake oil salesman
Speaker 1: who just saw a place where he could start a.
Speaker 3: Panic and make money.
Speaker 1: And he lost his license to practice medicine in the UK,
Speaker 1: and the landset formally retracted the paper, but it was
Speaker 1: like trying to put toothpaste back into the tube. At
Speaker 1: this point, the media had already glommed onto the panic
Speaker 1: and hysteria about vaccines and ASD. And when he left
Speaker 1: the UK, he obviously went to Austin, Texas, and he
Speaker 1: actually dated Al McPherson for two years, but they are
Speaker 1: no longer an item. Crazy And meanwhile, like, so that's
Speaker 1: who started all this and that's actually this man is
Speaker 1: connected to Jenny McCarthy.
Speaker 2: Hot.
Speaker 3: No, okay, I mean he's not gross.
Speaker 1: But like I think he's gross because of what he's done.
Speaker 1: But meanwhile, the CDC clearly states that vaccines do not
Speaker 1: cause ASC Research studies have been conducted to assess the
Speaker 1: safety of the MMR mix vaccine, and they have found
Speaker 1: no link between that vaccine and AST. One vaccine ingredient
Speaker 1: that has been studied specifically is thimerosol, and I believe
Speaker 1: this is what Barba is talking about when he says
Speaker 1: that this chemical has not been in vaccine since like
Speaker 1: two thousand and one. Thimerasol is a mercury based preservative
Speaker 1: he used to prevent germs like bacteria or fung guy
Speaker 1: from contaminating multi dose vials of vaccines. In two thousand
Speaker 1: and four, a review said that quote the evidence favors
Speaker 1: rejection of a causal relationship between thimerosol containing vaccines and autism.
Speaker 1: So not only does it does it say this doesn't
Speaker 1: cause this, Like the paper is basically like it's it's
Speaker 1: almost positive that it doesn't. I'm not articulating myself correctly,
Speaker 1: but this is like medical stuff that I'm not super
Speaker 1: well versed in. And so this obviously we have to
Speaker 1: talk about Jenny McCarthy if we're going to talk about
Speaker 1: how ASD became a huge end vaccine and the anti
Speaker 1: BAXI movement became huge in the US.
Speaker 3: She's a huge leader of it.
Speaker 1: Somehow we still allow her to be like on the
Speaker 1: View and be a judge on the mask Singer and
Speaker 1: call her an activist on Wikipedia when I think she's
Speaker 1: really just instrumental for driving a lot of misinformation about vaccines.
Speaker 1: So in May two thousand and seven, McCarthy announced that
Speaker 1: her son Evan, had been diagnosed with autism in two
Speaker 1: thousand and five. At first he had had seizures, but
Speaker 1: the seizures improved after they were treated, and so some
Speaker 1: experts have said this sounds more like landau Kleffner syndrome,
Speaker 1: which is apparently often misdiagnosed as autism, but Jennie McCarthy
Speaker 1: denies that there's been a misdiagnosis. So later that year
Speaker 1: she wrote a book called Louder Than Words, A Mother's
Speaker 1: Journey and Healing Autism, And then in two thousand and
Speaker 1: eight she appeared on Larry King on a special dedicated
Speaker 1: to the subject of autism and argued that vaccines can
Speaker 1: trigger autism.
Speaker 3: That was her argument and.
Speaker 1: Guests who wrote the forward of her book, Andrew Wakefield,
Speaker 1: disgraced quack and she tried to defend him publicly and
Speaker 1: saying that everything that has been alleged about him is
Speaker 1: just really the brainchild of Brian Deere, the Sunday Times
Speaker 1: journalist who found his financial connection. And it's like he
Speaker 1: lost his license in the UK, Like he was thoroughly
Speaker 1: investigated and lost his license. Like and you're still trying
Speaker 1: to say this is just a journalist slinging mud about him.
Speaker 1: It's like, no, a full medical board has said you
Speaker 1: may not help people anymore.
Speaker 2: And who are you, bitch, Like you're a reality TV show?
Speaker 2: Start what are you talking about?
Speaker 3: I know, I know.
Speaker 1: And she apparently says over and over again, I am
Speaker 1: not against vaccines. Everyone thinks I'm anti vax I'm not
Speaker 1: against vaccines. So she says, my stance is quote that
Speaker 1: parents are in charge, space it out, slow it down,
Speaker 1: and do your homework. But I am not at all
Speaker 1: against vaccines. And even though it's like she went on
Speaker 1: Larry King and talked about how this vaccine causes autism
Speaker 1: and like, and she's like, no one listens to me,
Speaker 1: No one ever listens to what I say. Like everyone's
Speaker 1: always thought I've been anti vax I've always been pro vaccine.
Speaker 1: I'm just pro ask questions and do research. And it's
Speaker 1: like ninety five percent of kindergarteners are vaccinated, like the
Speaker 1: research is in bitch, like it's crazy. But a lot
Speaker 1: of her critics blame her for these huge outbreaks that
Speaker 1: happened in the two thousands, and so you know, I
Speaker 1: have more information, I'll put I'll have more information. Like
Speaker 1: there's a great New York Times article talking about how
Speaker 1: the anti vax movement has obviously been juiced by the
Speaker 1: COVID epidemic and like, you know, people being scared to
Speaker 1: get the COVID shot, and because the shot came to
Speaker 1: market so quickly, people not understanding that we've been making
Speaker 1: vaccines for two hundred years and that this is not dangerous,
Speaker 1: and they're like it has already started a trend of
Speaker 1: people who previously vaccinated their kids now no longer doing it.
Speaker 1: So it's it's juicing the anti vax movement a little bit.
Speaker 1: But there's a lot of information in this article that'll
Speaker 1: be linked in our show notes, and that's essentially a
Speaker 1: little bit about the history of it all. But you know,
Speaker 1: in states like California and states like New York, you
Speaker 1: have to be fully vaccinated to attend public school. So like,
Speaker 1: I have a friend who's a comedian and her sister
Speaker 1: is anti vax and she's like, but they live in
Speaker 1: a farm in the middle of California and they homeschool them.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, okay, fine, you want to live where
Speaker 1: you don't touch anybody else, you don't go near anyone else,
Speaker 1: Like okay, I guess, like that's fine, but you're not
Speaker 1: allowed to, like live in New York City, You're not
Speaker 1: allowed to go to Disneyland. You're not allowed to participate
Speaker 1: in the rest of society if you're unwilling to like,
Speaker 1: you know, be part of the herd immunity with us.
Speaker 1: In my opinion, Fuck, dude, we're gonna get maybe some
Speaker 1: I hope we don't get any Twitter bullshit for this.
Speaker 2: They can bullshit all they want. We have the forty
Speaker 2: three million dollars smoking gun.
Speaker 3: Are you kidding? I didn't know that. That's amazing.
Speaker 1: And I don't know what this guy now is like
Speaker 1: kind of like, you know, quote unquote activist. He probably
Speaker 1: makes money speaking and shit for anti vax groups, but
Speaker 1: he does not practice medicine anymore. And his paper has
Speaker 1: been fully rescinded and there has not been a paper since. Like,
Speaker 1: if it's true, how has another doctor not found it.
Speaker 1: How has another doctor not found it?
Speaker 2: Well, that's also the basis of just like science research, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: the results have to be able to be duplicated. Yes, exactly,
Speaker 2: it is what it is. I don't make the science rules. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but you got to do pick and listen. My mom
Speaker 2: is a pediatrician. I've spoken to her about vaccines at length.
Speaker 2: She will not allow anyone in her practice who is
Speaker 2: anti vax because of what happened to like Noah Benson.
Speaker 2: She can't have kids like giving each other measles in
Speaker 2: the waiting room. But she's perfectly fine with parents who
Speaker 2: want to space things out. She's like, if it makes
Speaker 2: you feel more comfortable and you want to space things out, fine,
Speaker 2: She's told me, I don't really think it does that much,
Speaker 2: but if that's for your peace of mind, great, But
Speaker 2: she's kicked people out of her practice that have been
Speaker 2: anti vax, and she's like, I can't just can't have you,
Speaker 2: So space it out if you want, if that makes
Speaker 2: you feel better, but it's really not. In the words
Speaker 2: of George Costanza, we're living in a society.
Speaker 3: Yes, And wow, what a perfect way to end it.
Speaker 3: Thank you God.
Speaker 1: You had hours of Seinfeld then let it permeate your
Speaker 1: brain while you're sleeping.
Speaker 2: And now the most perfect guest of all time.
Speaker 3: Stay tuned.
Speaker 1: Okay, guys, our guest this week. Oh my gosh, we
Speaker 1: were We could not believe we got her. A character
Speaker 1: actor legend, we woulda Cara. Would we do this episode
Speaker 1: without getting We wouldn't do this episode.
Speaker 3: We were waiting on this episode. People.
Speaker 1: People asked for this episode, the whole pandemic, and we
Speaker 1: were like, we're just waiting on one person. We finally
Speaker 1: got through, and you guys will recognize her from so
Speaker 1: many movies Galaxy Quest, Dodgeball, Tim Burton's Charlie and The
Speaker 1: Chalk Factory, Gone Girl, but she's also recently start in
Speaker 1: the show's Another Period and Dirty John. And today you
Speaker 1: know her as the queen Bee of NYC Baby Trudy Malco.
Speaker 1: Please check out our interview with the hilarious Missy Pile.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, we like screamed when you agreed to Yeah,
Speaker 1: we couldn't believe it.
Speaker 4: So exciting. I can't believe it either. I can't even
Speaker 4: believe you're doing this podcast. Obviously, this is SVU. We
Speaker 4: love SVU, but you're iconic you're like in so many movies.
Speaker 3: You're such a star.
Speaker 2: What do people on the streets like, What is the
Speaker 2: most you're recognized for out and about in the world.
Speaker 4: Well, you know, it used to be The Parent Trap,
Speaker 4: which I wasn't in. That was that happens to me
Speaker 4: a lot. But it kind of depends, you know, I
Speaker 4: don't know, Galaxy Quest, Charlie, Chalk Factory, Dodgeball.
Speaker 3: But how does any to recognize you from Dodgeball? All right?
Speaker 3: You don't look like that at all, you know, I
Speaker 3: don't know.
Speaker 4: It's hard to say, but yeah, I did where I
Speaker 4: had a unibrow and Dodgeball.
Speaker 2: And did you audition for Dodgeball looking silly?
Speaker 3: Or did you go as yourself? That's a funny question.
Speaker 3: I had just seen.
Speaker 4: I had just been in the movie Fifty First Dates,
Speaker 4: and there's a woman that I can't remember her name,
Speaker 4: but she she is in the movie, and she would
Speaker 4: wore these braids on top of her head. And she's
Speaker 4: worked with Adam Sandler's character like that. I don't know,
Speaker 4: did they work.
Speaker 3: It like a yeah? Yeah? And I love I just
Speaker 3: thought she was so funny.
Speaker 4: And then when I got the script for this and
Speaker 4: the idea was this character initially maybe had been a
Speaker 4: robot and like they would you look at her from
Speaker 4: her legs up and she was like hot and sexy,
Speaker 4: and then you saw her face and we're like ah.
Speaker 4: So that was kind of the idea. And then when
Speaker 4: it was like that, then I thought, oh, I know
Speaker 4: what to do with that. So I made I put
Speaker 4: my boobs up, you know. I taped my boobs up
Speaker 4: and wore push up bra I put braids on the
Speaker 4: top of my head, and I drew in brows and
Speaker 4: didn't wear any makeup, but I did wear bright red lipsticks.
Speaker 3: I thought she's trying.
Speaker 4: And I was like, and I let and I went,
Speaker 4: and I was in my car driving there.
Speaker 3: I was like, I really hope.
Speaker 4: I don't have to go to like a building where
Speaker 4: I have to sign in or park and hand my
Speaker 4: ticket to the valet.
Speaker 3: I didn't have to do any that. Fortunately. It was
Speaker 3: like in a it was an audition.
Speaker 4: It was like an office building that was just you know,
Speaker 4: you park and you climb up some stairs and you
Speaker 4: go to the second floor. And I walked in and
Speaker 4: there was like a person and they just looked at
Speaker 4: me and they're like, oh, my God, and I was like,
Speaker 4: I know, and then I sat down and then I
Speaker 4: was grateful that I didn't have to see anybody anybody
Speaker 4: else and you got it, and they got the kind
Speaker 4: of your interpretation of the character. Yeah, we had several
Speaker 4: hair and makeup tests, but they initially tried to just
Speaker 4: like add individual brows, but they could never make them
Speaker 4: big enough, so then we just ended up with like
Speaker 4: huge Oh what's his name?
Speaker 3: He was also in bringing down the House, Eugene Jean
Speaker 3: leav Brad.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then we just shove those on and I
Speaker 4: had bad teeth on the top and the bottom.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they we're really hard to talk with.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a whole look like I can't believe
Speaker 1: you get recognized. Like I was looking at your IMDb
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh my god, that's her because
Speaker 1: I think of you as this beautiful not a crazy
Speaker 1: dodgeball face.
Speaker 3: Well that's what I look like on the inside of
Speaker 3: my head.
Speaker 4: So you know, I'm always I feel when I get
Speaker 4: parts like that to audition for, I always feel more
Speaker 4: comfortable because I'm like, oh, I can really go for it.
Speaker 4: But if I have to play like a pretty woman
Speaker 4: who's not in a comic situation or not an asshole
Speaker 4: or you know. Even my my role from Charlie and
Speaker 4: the Chocolate Factory is literally like my my friend sent
Speaker 4: me this meme which is just my face going like this,
Speaker 4: and it says, can I speak?
Speaker 3: Can I speak to the manager?
Speaker 4: And I thought, I'm the face of a generation, the
Speaker 4: Karen movement.
Speaker 3: Congratulations, Oh my god, so perfect.
Speaker 2: While we were searching your AMDB two thousand and four,
Speaker 2: you're like in all the You're like a comedy queen
Speaker 2: along King Polly fifty pay States, Anchorman, Dodgeball. So was
Speaker 2: there a time in your career where like, oh, I've
Speaker 2: made it, this is it, I'm gonna do this?
Speaker 3: Was that the year that was it? It was like
Speaker 3: and I.
Speaker 4: Remember, It's funny because yeah, I totally peaked.
Speaker 3: I did a movie.
Speaker 4: I did a movie called Harold and Kumar Escape from
Speaker 4: Guntadamo Bay, and I had just had like a really
Speaker 4: there are a couple I mean I could tell you
Speaker 4: more about just like when things kind of like stopped
Speaker 4: happening or what I was. I was at the original
Speaker 4: table read for Bridesmaids, which Annie Momolo and Kristen Wig,
Speaker 4: who wrote it, We're like, oh my God, we wrote
Speaker 4: this part with you in mine and this is the
Speaker 4: part that Rosebyurne ended up playing. But this was well
Speaker 4: before they filed. This was two years prior, and we
Speaker 4: did the table reading. Then when and Jed Apto's them
Speaker 4: when it was over, they were like, they're not ready
Speaker 4: to do this movie. I don't even know if it's
Speaker 4: going to be made. And then like a couple of
Speaker 4: years or they were like, we're making it. But then
Speaker 4: I had to audition for another care and I ended
Speaker 4: up getting the part and I was and end up
Speaker 4: being like the greatest female comedy.
Speaker 3: Of all time.
Speaker 4: And you just kind of just say, well, you know
Speaker 4: that was somebody else that was fucking Rose Burns part.
Speaker 4: I guess I'm not I'm not well a little better,
Speaker 4: but you know, where does that get me? In the
Speaker 4: valley next to the freeway. But other than that, that's great.
Speaker 2: Did you always know you'd be doing so much comedy? Like?
Speaker 2: Is that where how you started doing stuff? Or were
Speaker 2: you going to be a serious.
Speaker 4: I loved comedy even back in high school, you know,
Speaker 4: I liked being I did a lot of plays and then
Speaker 4: I went to drama school.
Speaker 3: But what I loved about comedy.
Speaker 4: Was the instant response you could get from the audience,
Speaker 4: and it felt that sort of mathematical in my brain.
Speaker 3: It's like, okay, if I if I go this way,
Speaker 3: they can look.
Speaker 4: The audience guides you, and so it's like, oh, this
Speaker 4: isn't it's a little bit like stand up too or whatever.
Speaker 4: You just I did that for a while too. It
Speaker 4: was just you can feel the wave of the people
Speaker 4: that you're with. Whereas drama for me, and I'm also
Speaker 4: really tall. I'm like six feet tall in any shoe.
Speaker 4: And when I came out of drama school, like I
Speaker 4: auditioned for you know, oh my God, Party of Five.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you were even alive at that point,
Speaker 3: but every they hired every woman in New York. I
Speaker 3: was living in New York time, and I was just
Speaker 3: too tall. I was too tall for everything.
Speaker 4: And then when I was in college, I dated this
Speaker 4: guy who had like an all male sketch group, and
Speaker 4: I then when I got out of school, I was like,
Speaker 4: I'm going to have an all female sketch group.
Speaker 3: So I started this sketch group with some friends called
Speaker 3: Bitch is Funny.
Speaker 4: And then I just loved you know, and I was
Speaker 4: a little angry, like my dad was kind of massa us,
Speaker 4: you know, he was a little bit like I just
Speaker 4: was like, fuck it, women are funny. Sorry, and so
Speaker 4: I was just I was angry about it, and so
Speaker 4: I really went for it. And then I just I
Speaker 4: would if a character was a little off, bas are
Speaker 4: a little weird.
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, I can do that.
Speaker 4: But normal characters with you know, normal pain, feel like
Speaker 4: feel vulnerability. It was very hard for me. But now
Speaker 4: I have a child. I think you have a child.
Speaker 4: Do you both have children?
Speaker 3: Have I have two kids? Yeah?
Speaker 4: And it's they just really bring you to a screeching
Speaker 4: halt of your vulnerable all the time, and you know,
Speaker 4: your depth is like of their you know, feelings, feelings.
Speaker 1: I saw you tweeted recently parenting is hard, and I
Speaker 1: was like, thank you, thank.
Speaker 3: You for the tweet, thank you. That's it.
Speaker 4: And now I do a lot more drama because uh
Speaker 4: and and finding enough SVU is one of the first drama,
Speaker 4: like really big drama parts that I got intallic serial
Speaker 4: television because I feel like I've been too tall. But
Speaker 4: initially Bonnie Somerville was supposed to play that part. Who's
Speaker 4: another actress and I guess she got something else, and
Speaker 4: so they called me. I think we had the same
Speaker 4: manager at the time. We no longer do, and I
Speaker 4: ended up doing that part in SVU, which I loved
Speaker 4: because she was also a little weird.
Speaker 3: I mean she was off base. Yes, yeah, so let's
Speaker 3: talk about it like I mean, crazily.
Speaker 1: This is from set, like this episode from seven years ago,
Speaker 1: five years before a pandemic started, but more relevant than ever.
Speaker 3: I mean, like.
Speaker 1: People were writing us like the whole time we've been
Speaker 1: doing this podcast, like do this do this episode? We
Speaker 1: were like we're waiting for Missy Pile to say yes,
Speaker 1: hold on, and so now here we are And so
Speaker 1: did did you know going in that your character was
Speaker 1: kind of like a Jenny McCarthy meets Gwyneth Paltrow type
Speaker 1: of person, Like.
Speaker 4: Yes, she's a she's an anti vaxer, and she's very
Speaker 4: you know, she's very uh what's the word. I can't
Speaker 4: remember words anymore because my child but rich, thank you,
Speaker 4: she's rich.
Speaker 1: But it's like couch it's anti VACX, like couched in
Speaker 1: a wellness thing.
Speaker 4: It's all about like, yeah, I mean it's like I
Speaker 4: my sister, I think I remember one of the lines
Speaker 4: was like my sister like like within a year, like
Speaker 4: we saw the light leave his eyes after he got
Speaker 4: this vaccination.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then that's why he has autism.
Speaker 1: And that was always the rhetoric was always that exact phrase.
Speaker 1: It was always like one day the light was there.
Speaker 1: In the next day the lights was like I've read
Speaker 1: so much about it, and it's always like you watch
Speaker 1: the light go out, like that's just that's the light
Speaker 1: the work.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and yeah, she has My character had like an
Speaker 4: older son or had a son with someone who then
Speaker 4: remarried and had a younger child that was in the
Speaker 4: same class as Detective Benson's chiding.
Speaker 3: Yes, and I had my.
Speaker 4: Kid who wasn't vaccine had gotten the measles, I guess,
Speaker 4: and gave it to Yeah, gave it to everybody because
Speaker 4: he wasn't vaccinated.
Speaker 1: Well not only that, but your character sort of is
Speaker 1: the Queen Bee, like she's sort of this like she
Speaker 1: convinced all these other women not to vaccinate their kids
Speaker 1: and in kahoots with a pediatrician aspirat.
Speaker 3: What do we know?
Speaker 1: Did you base this on anyone like specific when you
Speaker 1: were I mean, I love creating Trudy.
Speaker 3: I love that. Oh is that her name? I have forgotten.
Speaker 3: Her name was Trudy, Trudy Trudy malcho Well.
Speaker 4: I also, I you know it is it is loosely
Speaker 4: based on Gwyneth Paltrow.
Speaker 3: I love.
Speaker 4: I used to be in love with Gwyneth Paltrow and
Speaker 4: I still like, I'm still admire her for what she does.
Speaker 4: But it's just, you know, she's talking about like I
Speaker 4: have one alcoholic beverage a week, sorry to be so.
Speaker 3: Boring, and this is what I'm going to try. And
Speaker 3: I'm like, who the fuck does that?
Speaker 2: Who She's a liar, She's not getting drunk. There's no way.
Speaker 3: That's crazy.
Speaker 4: And like the day after, like you know, like the
Speaker 4: whole Scotus thing with rov Way being overturned, I was
Speaker 4: in my room going like, holy shit, what are we
Speaker 4: going to do?
Speaker 3: Oh my god, we need to no one buy anything again.
Speaker 3: We're just you know, I was trying to figure out,
Speaker 3: like what are we going to do?
Speaker 4: And I get like my Goop newsletter the next day
Speaker 4: and it's like these three hundred and seventy five dollars
Speaker 4: shorts are going to make you so happy, and I'm like,
Speaker 4: it's just it's like that culture, like it's just let
Speaker 4: me still sell my all of my you know, wellness
Speaker 4: to fight things anyway.
Speaker 2: So well, I'm curious about those kinds of people where
Speaker 2: it's like, are you fully delusional and apart from the
Speaker 2: real world or is this strategic and you know that
Speaker 2: you're being out of control? Like that's what I can't balance,
Speaker 2: Like do you know you're being out of control or not?
Speaker 4: Like with her stuff, what makes me kind of grossed
Speaker 4: out is that every single thing she sells is multi
Speaker 4: hundreds of dollars.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I'm like, who, why are you doing that?
Speaker 4: Like we should be like helping people and instead of
Speaker 4: like selling hawking our five hundred dollar trousers, like I can't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're telling me there's nothing that's going to
Speaker 1: bring me joy or wellness that's in the forty.
Speaker 3: Nine ninety nine right now, I mean, right, you.
Speaker 4: Got to find something or nineteen ninety nine, you know, yeah,
Speaker 4: Like this one is six hundred dollars and has you know,
Speaker 4: baby free with the purchase?
Speaker 1: Do you get anything free with the five hundred dollars trousers?
Speaker 4: I mean, let's your debt and you're crushing, crushing, self loathing,
Speaker 4: I guess, but.
Speaker 3: If I feel good for a minute, I don't.
Speaker 1: Know, I get Yeah, I mean the idea that like
Speaker 1: these expensive pants are going to make you feel good
Speaker 1: while your rights are being systematically stripped away.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what was so astounding to me.
Speaker 4: It's like, well, here have some linen pants and when
Speaker 4: you have your back alley abortion hopefully get a dark color.
Speaker 3: So yeah, perfect for a protest. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I actually was just reading BuzzFeed lists of like rich
Speaker 2: people being out of touch and poor people just being
Speaker 2: like sharing their experiences, and it's a lot of just
Speaker 2: like just move, just go somewhere. It's just like they
Speaker 2: don't understand the constraints other people's lives have they just yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: did you get a lot of LA I'm sure do
Speaker 2: you experience these types of people in LA at school?
Speaker 3: Back? Yeah, I mean I I do. I go to
Speaker 3: my daughter does go to a private school at the moment. Uh,
Speaker 3: I haven't.
Speaker 4: My daughter's adopted from birth, and like you know, her
Speaker 4: biological mother has never been on an airplane, she's never
Speaker 4: seen the ocean, like you know. It's just like there's
Speaker 4: a lot of people in different situations. It is interesting
Speaker 4: this idea of like move to another state, yeah, or
Speaker 4: grab you know, hop on a plane or even a
Speaker 4: bus somewhere, ask your dad for money.
Speaker 3: It's like, right, you don't know how people live.
Speaker 1: Yeah, someone who is does not have to someone who
Speaker 1: does not have to borrow money from their dad is
Speaker 1: Trudy Malco.
Speaker 3: Bringing it back. I was about to keep going, Well,
Speaker 3: I just I like, I thought you did a really good.
Speaker 1: Job, like of making her like so exactly these people,
Speaker 1: like these anti vax people that you you actually didn't
Speaker 1: even make her seem that insane, Like she seemed almost
Speaker 1: like when she was on the stand, just calmly stating
Speaker 1: her point of view. I was like, wow, I disagree,
Speaker 1: but you're not like a total nut job like you.
Speaker 1: It was you did a good job of not making
Speaker 1: her like a cartoon character. And because I think it's
Speaker 1: easy to do that with a lot of these characters.
Speaker 3: Here's the other thing. I mean.
Speaker 4: So I just found out I was adopting my daughter,
Speaker 4: and Marishika, like you know, it was so sweet and
Speaker 4: like sent me some clothes with her name on it,
Speaker 4: and she had just adopted a little girl.
Speaker 3: A while but before then, and we.
Speaker 4: Talked a little bit about that, and when we were
Speaker 4: talking and we were you know, she was like, listen,
Speaker 4: I mean vaccines are obviously, they're important, and you I
Speaker 4: mean there I can't remember.
Speaker 3: I don't want tout words in her mouth, but she
Speaker 3: was like.
Speaker 4: This is a there is always a little fear about
Speaker 4: shoving a vaccine and a child's body. It's it's a
Speaker 4: little scary. You know, there's I mean, I'm gonna do it,
Speaker 4: but you know there's there's like you know, She's like,
Speaker 4: you know, I have I still have a few of
Speaker 4: my own questions, and I think I think that there
Speaker 4: are for me.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: It's like I had to sign something like I will
Speaker 3: vaccinate my child. They wouldn't give it. They wouldn't give me.
Speaker 4: The child without me doing that. Yes, she didn't come
Speaker 4: out of my she hadn't come out of my uterus,
Speaker 4: which she reminds me everything.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm not really but anyway, but it's just an
Speaker 3: interesting thing.
Speaker 4: So I think that you can kind of like everybody has,
Speaker 4: first of all, like every issue that we're like, this is,
Speaker 4: how do you feel about it? Like we're all different
Speaker 4: and we all have our own experiences and everybody has
Speaker 4: little pieces of feelings about things that you can't really
Speaker 4: say anything one way or the other without you know,
Speaker 4: have to have this opinion or this opinion, which is
Speaker 4: so stupid because we all are so complex and we
Speaker 4: we should be able to talk about little, you know,
Speaker 4: things that we think about and without being you know,
Speaker 4: canceled or whatever.
Speaker 3: You know. That's kind of the world we live in
Speaker 3: right now. And what I like about this particular woman.
Speaker 4: Is that she is she does believe everything she's saying
Speaker 4: is true. And that's these people they don't. There's no
Speaker 4: they are so sure. And so certain people have these
Speaker 4: exact you know, people in my family have are you know,
Speaker 4: I come from Texas, and there's a lot of people
Speaker 4: who just are like so angry about it, like really
Speaker 4: believe that it is a People in my own family
Speaker 4: believe that, you know, it's a government. Like I had
Speaker 4: a cousin of she's actually my half sister's cousin.
Speaker 3: She was like, it's killing me here.
Speaker 4: Like I got vaccinated and my husband came up to
Speaker 4: my arm with a metal detector and was looking for
Speaker 4: like the microchip. She's like, are you fucking kidding me?
Speaker 4: And I just she's like, I am getting myself back
Speaker 4: and my children are getting vaccinated. And we had this
Speaker 4: huge fight about it, and I'm like, I'm she's got
Speaker 4: she had both of her kids do actually have autism,
Speaker 4: and so she was just like, no, fucking wham, they're
Speaker 4: getting vaccinated.
Speaker 3: I don't care what you say. But you know, it's
Speaker 3: just like there.
Speaker 4: She was like, I can't tell anybody but you because
Speaker 4: you're a fucking call me liberal from California. But you know,
Speaker 4: she's like, I don't I don't know what's going on
Speaker 4: out here. It's insane. You can't have it. They it's
Speaker 4: like out here you can you can't can't have a
Speaker 4: different opinion, and out there you can't have a different opinion.
Speaker 4: So there's like no room to just be a person
Speaker 4: who says I like this and I don't like this,
Speaker 4: and this is how I feel.
Speaker 3: Yeah, confusing.
Speaker 1: Was it fun to play like this sort of bitchy
Speaker 1: Queen Bee character?
Speaker 3: I love Listen.
Speaker 4: I love playing these characters because I am kind of boring.
Speaker 4: I'm a I'm not super boring, but I feel like
Speaker 4: I'm afraid to, you know, really offend, Like I'm afraid
Speaker 4: of conflict. I don't like upsetting people, so when I
Speaker 4: get to be someone who has a very strong opinion
Speaker 4: and tells people to go fuck themselves, but you know,
Speaker 4: in a nice way. I feel like there's a part
Speaker 4: of me that I am able to like finally sigh
Speaker 4: a relief the bullshit I've been carrying around.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like it's.
Speaker 1: Really funny because in character like this kind of character,
Speaker 1: and I feel like some other characters I've seen you
Speaker 1: play like you do seem like this Queen Bee sort
Speaker 1: of like with all the hair and maker, but then
Speaker 1: like you know, just talking to you now, you're just
Speaker 1: like you don't seem that way.
Speaker 3: So you're a good actress. But I know these people
Speaker 3: and they're real. They're real.
Speaker 4: I have a lot of the characters that I play
Speaker 4: are based on a few people from my life who
Speaker 4: I sit with, and I just am like the way
Speaker 4: that they talk to me.
Speaker 3: I was just making a face where I'm like, oh
Speaker 3: my god, I okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 4: You know, you're just like okay, and they tell you
Speaker 4: their stuff in a way and you.
Speaker 3: Just and it's real. But it's so crazy and that's
Speaker 3: fascinating to me.
Speaker 2: Also, sbu it's usually like the down and dirty lie
Speaker 2: like and this was so high, the wardrobe, the apartment.
Speaker 2: So I'm wondering the you know, if you have any
Speaker 2: scoop about.
Speaker 4: Well as an actor, you know I have. I have
Speaker 4: done so many parts. I played so many parts and
Speaker 4: so many different things.
Speaker 3: I come in.
Speaker 4: This is even a bigger part than I play a lot.
Speaker 4: And sometimes I come in for a day. I was
Speaker 4: there for two weeks. They put me up, and I
Speaker 4: wanted to say I was in like a was that
Speaker 4: a trum tower?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I was in this room where it was gorgeous. And
Speaker 4: this is just before my daughter was once, so I
Speaker 4: was single. I was in New York City. I would
Speaker 4: hit a button and all the curtains would go, you know,
Speaker 4: and my fitting was just a fancy clothes like sometimes
Speaker 4: you'll go somewhere there like please bring your wardrobe from
Speaker 4: your home, you know, and or you know, the craft
Speaker 4: service is like, you know, a bag of chips, like
Speaker 4: off brand chips like that you wouldn't even want to eat,
Speaker 4: and like a pickle and a bag is all that's
Speaker 4: left at four o'clock and.
Speaker 3: You're like, well, okay, I guess like the pickle in
Speaker 3: the bag.
Speaker 4: This show is very very you know, it's very nice
Speaker 4: and fancy clothes. I was wearing Green Goop wardrobe. I
Speaker 4: mean she would be she's yeah, every shirt I had.
Speaker 4: I also like to look at the tags and maybe
Speaker 4: like these pants were eight hundred dollars and I'm like sure, yeah, okay, yeah,
Speaker 4: I could just steal them, and I for for not
Speaker 4: twenty years, I didn't.
Speaker 3: I never bought a bra or panties because I would
Speaker 3: just take.
Speaker 4: They would just be like, you know, I mean, they
Speaker 4: don't want their panties underwear.
Speaker 3: Yeah you're gonna take. They're not going to reuse that.
Speaker 4: But I did. And it's funny because you know, you
Speaker 4: talk about me being on the stand. I had this
Speaker 4: whole monologue and I mean, if you watch when they
Speaker 4: shoot these shows, it's like they shoot the shit out
Speaker 4: of these courtroom stands.
Speaker 3: Like I always wanted to be on a show like this,
Speaker 3: and I thought I can't. I couldn't do that.
Speaker 4: I would literally like blow my brains out. I can't imagine.
Speaker 4: It's so long, so many takes that I would do
Speaker 4: this monologue which I had been doing for two days,
Speaker 4: and I would I it's like when you say the
Speaker 4: word like piano, piano, piano piano, You're like, what am
Speaker 4: I saying? I had no idea what I was saying
Speaker 4: by like seventy second take, because.
Speaker 3: It's like this wide shoe, you know when you watch
Speaker 3: the quart.
Speaker 4: Coming in over here on their head coming back your wooll.
Speaker 4: They're coming and they're getting the people in the back
Speaker 4: and you know, iced tea's in the back, you know,
Speaker 4: for fifteen minutes because they you know, they're they're just
Speaker 4: sitting in the back of the courtroom there. Uh, it's
Speaker 4: so many hours of saying the same.
Speaker 3: Thing over and over and over.
Speaker 4: And over again, and if there's anything technical, like your
Speaker 4: brain turns to just absolute mush.
Speaker 3: So by the time and I think by the time
Speaker 3: they did my close up, I mean I was just
Speaker 3: just like like you know.
Speaker 4: Drinking red Bull and trying to you know, benching myself.
Speaker 3: I can't believe they did the close up last. Well,
Speaker 3: it's a long scene. I think they didn't do it last.
Speaker 3: They didn't do it last.
Speaker 4: But I did have to be on the stand like
Speaker 4: seventy Like I want to say, it's felt like seventy
Speaker 4: two times.
Speaker 3: It's probably like thirty five or forty.
Speaker 4: But I also worked with Day Fincher, who I did
Speaker 4: a very small part in a movie called Gone Girl,
Speaker 4: and he has a tendency to do like I walked
Speaker 4: to this house, which he ended up cutting like fifty times,
Speaker 4: and that it's just you just never know why some
Speaker 4: people and some people are like, Okay, once we got it,
Speaker 4: let's go.
Speaker 3: So yeah, but it's a severia show.
Speaker 4: I enjoyed being being I like being on this, like
Speaker 4: you know, high budget stuff.
Speaker 3: It makes me feel Yeah, we heard there's fresh juices.
Speaker 4: I think so yeah. I think there's like there could
Speaker 4: have been a juice machine even like you know, do
Speaker 4: your make your own knocking? I remember it being very
Speaker 4: nice and it's still going.
Speaker 3: What are they own? Season seventy seven. Season twenty four
Speaker 3: debuts in a few weeks. So so what you I'm seeing?
Speaker 1: Like five, would you have anything coming up specifically you
Speaker 1: want our listeners to check out, because you have like
Speaker 1: five things that are like in post production right now.
Speaker 4: Well, one that I think is really funny is this
Speaker 4: movie Unseen, And I think it's gonna be on Epics.
Speaker 4: Epics and that's a network right yeah, And it's a
Speaker 4: Blumhouse like movie and I play what I love about
Speaker 4: this character.
Speaker 3: Is it's so real.
Speaker 4: I play like a very neat a typical Missy Pile character.
Speaker 4: She's she's based on. I mean, she's she this this.
Speaker 4: The premise of the show is that this one woman,
Speaker 4: of course can't her ex boyfriend's trying to kill her,
Speaker 4: and she's one of those type of people like with Velma.
Speaker 3: Without her glasses, she can't see anything, and so.
Speaker 4: She has her cell phone and she randomly calls this
Speaker 4: woman who's a gas station clerk.
Speaker 3: I can't remember exactly how.
Speaker 4: She's like, I need you to be my eyes and
Speaker 4: get me out of to hear this guy's trying to
Speaker 4: kill me. And then that woman's phone runs out of
Speaker 4: juice and she's working at a gas station in like Louisiana,
Speaker 4: and I come in as like a Karen type of character,
Speaker 4: and she tape steals my phone from me, and then
Speaker 4: I go call my husband and we come back with
Speaker 4: our guns. And the husband and I are based on
Speaker 4: the couple that had their guns, that had their guns
Speaker 4: that that whatever it was MISI convention or something, and
Speaker 4: like they brought them to the Republican convention.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what is happening?
Speaker 4: And so we have his and her guns like mine
Speaker 4: has hers on it and it has like a old
Speaker 4: plated tangle gun and she's so funny.
Speaker 3: She's she's funny.
Speaker 4: And then I did a jukebox musical with them of
Speaker 4: Indigo Girls songs do you know Thing to Go? It's
Speaker 4: called Glitter and Doom and I have a small part
Speaker 4: in and it's like a love Wait what is this?
Speaker 3: It's a movie with all Indigo Girls songs, all Indigo
Speaker 3: Girls songs, like a jukebox musical.
Speaker 1: I think I'm like a huge Indigo Girls fan, So
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's all.
Speaker 3: It's an independent movie.
Speaker 4: So I don't know when when, what the story will be.
Speaker 3: I'm sure it'll be streaming at some point in the next.
Speaker 4: Bear I shall be setting a Google or I did
Speaker 4: a movie called A Tourist Guide to Love, which comes
Speaker 4: on Netflix, and it's with Rachel Lee Cook and we
Speaker 4: shot in Vietnam and it's ridiculous, like she goes to
Speaker 4: Vietnam to be an undercover. I run a tour agency
Speaker 4: and she's like going to be the person on the ground.
Speaker 4: So we shot my scenes which were in supposed to
Speaker 4: be in San Francisco or something in Vietnam because it
Speaker 4: was cheaper to just shoot in Vietnam, so I went
Speaker 4: there and I was pretty crazy.
Speaker 3: It's pretty crazy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And the Glitter and Doom we shot in Mexico
Speaker 4: City and it had a really fun year in the
Speaker 4: last year of just going places.
Speaker 1: That sounds awesome, especially after a year of going nowhere.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And I played this character on a show called Why
Speaker 4: the Last Man, which was on FX and Hulu.
Speaker 3: It was canceled, but I played a cult leader.
Speaker 4: That was my favorite character I've ever played because she
Speaker 4: was not who she it was. Basically, the show is
Speaker 4: about a world where it's a pandemic hits and everything
Speaker 4: with the Y chromosome dies, And it's based on a
Speaker 4: graphic novel by Brian cavan And that was written in
Speaker 4: like two and eight so word like, on one day,
Speaker 4: every single human and animal with a Y chromosome just gone.
Speaker 3: So then it's like, what would the world be like
Speaker 3: with women? I want to watch that. What is it called?
Speaker 3: It's actually quite cool. It's called Why the Last Man.
Speaker 4: There's only one season, but and I don't come in
Speaker 4: until like episode four. But I played this crazy cult
Speaker 4: leader who like has this cult of women inside of
Speaker 4: a cost so she gets a Costco because you know
Speaker 4: the world there's no power and no water, no gay.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I've got this. You got to stake out
Speaker 3: of Costco Costco's and I got real estate. But a dream.
Speaker 1: To see this has been a joy. I feel like
Speaker 1: we could fully talk to you for another hour.
Speaker 3: But I wish I had more.
Speaker 4: But you know, I always wish I had like a
Speaker 4: Dirk deep Dirk dirty secret.
Speaker 3: And again, like all the kids, I didn't even meet
Speaker 3: my son. I never met him. It's so funny, you know,
Speaker 3: it's really funny.
Speaker 4: I did an animated show and I never met my
Speaker 4: dad on the show. I never met him, and we
Speaker 4: would just record at different times thirteen episodes.
Speaker 3: Wow, I'm trying to remember his name. I can't remember it.
Speaker 3: I can't remember anybody's name I've worked with.
Speaker 2: Every Hopefully you can come back to Svula a full
Speaker 2: blown killer.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I'll ask, and then I just say I'm
Speaker 4: doing it for your podcast.
Speaker 3: Just be like.
Speaker 1: I've been doing a lot of gun work lately, and
Speaker 1: I think I'm ready to murder without me, you're ready
Speaker 1: to murder in a different, more hands on.
Speaker 4: I want to murder in a hands on way. Thank you,
Speaker 4: Thank you. Yeah, I think so too, And I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: I wasn't murdered on that I did. I did murder
Speaker 4: someone on a show called Traffic, a movie called Traffic,
Speaker 4: and I killed myself in a movie called Visioneers.
Speaker 3: But you never saw you murder someone in the movie Traffic.
Speaker 4: It's a different there's two traffics, Traffic by the kak,
Speaker 4: it's traffic with a k.
Speaker 3: I was like, wait, I missed that scene.
Speaker 4: I know. I'm sorry. It was not the Academy Award
Speaker 4: winning I wasn't in this the Artist, which was the
Speaker 4: Island movie. Yeah, so I did. I was a part
Speaker 4: of an Academy Award winning movie. But I didn't really
Speaker 4: I didn't speak. I spoke, but nobody. Nobody spoke. I spoke,
Speaker 4: but no one recorded it. Yeah, amazing, Thank you so
Speaker 4: much for giving us your time.
Speaker 3: This was like, thank you. My face is hurting from laughing.
Speaker 4: Hell.
Speaker 2: Yes, that was fun. She's funny, She's cool. I feel you,
Speaker 2: you guys vibed.
Speaker 3: I love her.
Speaker 1: There was a vibe I want to be friends. I'm
Speaker 1: in a DM rom and be like, do you want
Speaker 1: to take our kids to play together? And like talk
Speaker 1: shit like I would.
Speaker 2: I would do that she's fine, so successful. I don't know,
Speaker 2: I I'm obsessed. Yeah, and I had just rewatched fifty
Speaker 2: First States, so she was like so fresh in my mind.
Speaker 3: I was on in a hotel room.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I like, yeah, I like, I mean my
Speaker 2: I like obviously lots of things in hotels, but I
Speaker 2: don't mind putting on a movie with commercial breaks having
Speaker 2: my laptop. It's you know, it's nice. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: some gummy treats. Anyway, she was incredible and yeah, such
Speaker 2: complex facial acting. I would say, yeah, so many like
Speaker 2: looks where you're like, what is she thinking?
Speaker 3: But I know it's layered.
Speaker 1: I think she's great because she can really play like
Speaker 1: high status, low status, like you know all like she's
Speaker 1: played very ugly, she's played very beautiful.
Speaker 3: Like you know, she just can do do it all.
Speaker 1: But what do you think about what's our Let's get
Speaker 1: into our post mortem of granting immunity. I mean, we've
Speaker 1: learned a lot about vaccinations and the history of the
Speaker 1: anti vax movement, and I think we're living it right
Speaker 1: now in a way with a lot of COVID A
Speaker 1: vaccine hesitancy, and.
Speaker 2: It would just see I would be more okay with
Speaker 2: it all if it didn't start from Jenny McCarthy, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like, yes, I think I'd be like, wow,
Speaker 2: everyone's opinions are okay, interesting. But the fact that Jenny
Speaker 2: McCarthy is like the QUI, what is it? Agent zero
Speaker 2: patient zero, yeah and ZEROA that that fucks me up.
Speaker 2: But I did one time meet she signed. I waited
Speaker 2: in line and at a Carson Piri Scott for her
Speaker 2: to sign a Candy's photo.
Speaker 3: It was Saint Patrick's Day.
Speaker 2: My sister took me to the parade and then we
Speaker 2: went to pee at a store and she was there
Speaker 2: signing autographs for Candy's shoes.
Speaker 1: I remember when she used to do ads for candies.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I love How.
Speaker 3: Old were you? Young? For sure?
Speaker 2: Young whenever, because I remember I had a new pair
Speaker 2: of candies for sixth grade, so I was probably younger.
Speaker 2: But yeah, my sister would take me out of school
Speaker 2: to do fun stuff all the time.
Speaker 3: Oh, your sister's so cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she would like take me out because I remember
Speaker 2: one time I think I said this on the pod before,
Speaker 2: but in second grade, the teachers like, how are you feeling?
Speaker 3: I go, I feel fine.
Speaker 2: We went ice skating, and she was like, what the
Speaker 2: fuck and the teacher was like pissed, But yeah, we
Speaker 2: just prioritized fun in our household. So anyway, it fun
Speaker 2: a parade and Jennie McCarthy but and I would like
Speaker 2: her singled out like she was this like hot copy
Speaker 2: person that I was rooting for.
Speaker 3: We weren't you, Jenny Yes? And then it's like, god, that's.
Speaker 2: What makes it Like, if Jenny McCarthy's your leader, your
Speaker 2: cause is probably wrong, right, that's mine.
Speaker 1: And I guess like my thing a little bit as
Speaker 1: a parent is like I'm a parent. I gave birth
Speaker 1: to chill, I carried children in my body and I
Speaker 1: gave birth to them. I don't know why that in
Speaker 1: any way makes me medically smarter than anyone else. I
Speaker 1: don't know why that makes me smarter than a doctor,
Speaker 1: smarter than a pediatrician who went to school. And it's
Speaker 1: like do your own research, and then they show you
Speaker 1: the research and it's from like discredited websites like right
Speaker 1: wing propaganda, and you're just like this isn't why how
Speaker 1: is your own research better than like Ivy League medical schools.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just I know that there's money in pharma, and like,
Speaker 1: obviously money is behind something sometimes, but like vaccinations have
Speaker 1: eradicated diseases.
Speaker 3: From the planet.
Speaker 1: They are one of the greatest inventions of modern time.
Speaker 1: And it's just like that we talked about this.
Speaker 2: There's like an article or something we saw during this
Speaker 2: like fucking COVID time where it's a privilege to be
Speaker 2: able to say no to a vaccine and if this
Speaker 2: disease was a little bit worse or something like, you'd
Speaker 2: be begging, you'd be like killing people to get it.
Speaker 2: And I think a lot of people in our land
Speaker 2: do not know what's struggle, Like, they don't know, they're
Speaker 2: just like blinded by.
Speaker 3: Privilege in a way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but her on the stand being like okay with
Speaker 2: no peanut butter in the school and not seeing that
Speaker 2: she was about to get got like it's this, it's like,
Speaker 2: how are you okay with this? But not like right,
Speaker 2: But they don't under they don't care. They don't care. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they don't care about anything. But I liked the hippie doctor.
Speaker 2: I'd like to separate myself with He's great. No, it's
Speaker 2: a good episode, And it's scary when people even like
Speaker 2: abortion stuff you know, sometimes I fight on Twitter and
Speaker 2: it's like people thinking that they know what's best for everyone,
Speaker 2: and for like thinking you're so smart that you know
Speaker 2: science like that.
Speaker 3: I just don't get where that comes from.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then part of it is like sometimes it's
Speaker 1: people that don't really care what's best for everyone. They
Speaker 1: just care what's best for what they think is best
Speaker 1: for their child. And they're like they don't feel the
Speaker 1: responsibility to the community, Like I you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like you have a responsibility to the children that are
Speaker 1: around you as well.
Speaker 2: Know that crazy bartender he talks about a few episodes
Speaker 2: ago at Tom Tom when I said, like, don't you
Speaker 2: care about your community? He goes sounds a lot like communism,
Speaker 2: Like people are out of their mouths. It's just like,
Speaker 2: I don't know, like feeding a child next to you,
Speaker 2: suddenly you're in communism, Like I don't get it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I always want to stab people in the face, Like
Speaker 2: I understand.
Speaker 3: I know, I'm not going to say anything. I'm done.
Speaker 2: I'm not perjuring myself. I'm pleading the fifth Yeah, don't
Speaker 2: go the Alex Jones ruth. I use the wrong word,
Speaker 2: But I was about to be like, I just understand
Speaker 2: when people break, Like I get the unibomber, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, I get it where he like looked
Speaker 2: around at society and went, you know what, I think
Speaker 2: it's better if you all fucking are out of here,
Speaker 2: Like I get it. Yeah, that's why I wanted to
Speaker 2: stop myself. Okay, but then you didn't, and I love that. No,
Speaker 2: I would never do violence onto others unless it was
Speaker 2: to protect someone.
Speaker 3: I guess.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but the rage simmers inside of me,
Speaker 2: like I understand, yeah, looking around the world and being like,
Speaker 2: what the fuck why haven't we Like I don't really
Speaker 2: even wash my hands anymore.
Speaker 3: I'm a part of the problem.
Speaker 2: Like we went through COVID and I was like, I'm
Speaker 2: going to make sure I'm like taking care of myself.
Speaker 3: That's stopped immediately. I don't care.
Speaker 2: I'm not wiping down my Delta seat, like not wiping
Speaker 2: down like and I don't do that.
Speaker 1: No, It's yeah, I feel like I've gotten I've also
Speaker 1: just like fallen into these patterns where it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: my daughter gets tested for COVID every week at her school,
Speaker 1: so I'm like, yeah, I guess if she has it
Speaker 1: it'll pop up, like if we get it, it'll like
Speaker 1: I'm not paying enough attention.
Speaker 3: I have been.
Speaker 1: I have tested myself after a couple of flights lately
Speaker 1: and stuff of course, but like I'm not as vigilant
Speaker 1: as I was.
Speaker 3: But I think we're in a better place with it.
Speaker 2: I know. But isn't the whole thing where you're brain,
Speaker 2: something bad happens in your brain remembers it and it's
Speaker 2: like more stressful, so then you protect yourself in the future,
Speaker 2: like evolution wise. But it seems like we something bad
Speaker 2: happens and we like shove it away, like yeah, get
Speaker 2: over it or something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, are you glom onto?
Speaker 1: Like misinformation, like the misinformation during COVID was like this
Speaker 1: isn't that bad, Like the survival rate is great, and
Speaker 1: it's like, but it's a million people have doted, Like
Speaker 1: it's just crazy, Like I don't know.
Speaker 2: Why is no one working at McDonald's. They're dead, bitch. Okay,
Speaker 2: let's move it along. What charity do? All right?
Speaker 3: How are we going? H let's from that.
Speaker 1: From that sentiment, let's go right into what would Sister
Speaker 1: peg do? Our weekly segment where we point you to
Speaker 1: an organization an article a book, a doc something to
Speaker 1: help you learn more about what we talked about in
Speaker 1: today's episode. And this week we wanted to point you
Speaker 1: to an essay written by doctor Christopher A. Swingle which
Speaker 1: was published in twenty eighteen, so pre COVID, but definitely
Speaker 1: in the heart of off the tales of many, you know,
Speaker 1: anti vax outbreaks of measles and stuff like that, And
Speaker 1: it was published in Missouri Medicine and it's called how
Speaker 1: do We Approach Anti Vaccination Attitudes? It's a short article
Speaker 1: and it chronicles the history of long standing anti vax
Speaker 1: movement and dissects common traits of anti vaxxers and offers
Speaker 1: advice to physicians on how to best convince their patience
Speaker 1: to get vaccinated. And I thought maybe some of that
Speaker 1: would be helpful for those of you that are like
Speaker 1: trying to talk to family members who you want to
Speaker 1: get vaccinated. Maybe not, but something to check out. It
Speaker 1: is in the National Library of Medicine, and the link
Speaker 1: to the article will obviously be in our show notes
Speaker 1: and included in our Instagram stories and we save all
Speaker 1: of our what would Sister peg Do stories in a
Speaker 1: highlight called WWSPD, so you can check out all of
Speaker 1: them forever there.
Speaker 2: Damn you really you really went there. You really popped off, Kara.
Speaker 2: That was a lot of information. Thank you so much. Also,
Speaker 2: I just opened my phone. Sorry, I'm a bad friend,
Speaker 2: but Beth Dido just started following.
Speaker 3: Ooh ooh that's kind of thrilling. Yeah, look up the Starbuck.
Speaker 2: Anyways, you guys, next week we'll be back. Countdown Season two,
Speaker 2: episode fifteen a classic, Very very thrilled for that one,
Speaker 2: and we're obsessed with you.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 2: You know where to watch it, Hulu, Peacock. Enjoy your summer.
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