Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are
Speaker 1: you a Charlotte? Hello, everybody, welcome to Are You a Charlotte?
Speaker 1: Today we have one of my all time favorite people
Speaker 1: on the planet earth. Mollie Rodgers are incredible costume designer
Speaker 1: who work with Pat Field from the pretty much very
Speaker 1: beginning of the show and then also designed and just
Speaker 1: like that, and she is going to recap all the
Speaker 1: outfits of season three when we really just jumped up
Speaker 1: a whole level in terms of the fashion of the show.
Speaker 1: So please enjoy. It's a fun time you guys. Mollie
Speaker 1: Rodgers is with us, coming to us from the Bahamas. Oh,
Speaker 1: we are jealous.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me again. It's so
Speaker 2: fun to talk to you.
Speaker 1: I know, it's amazing to have you back. Thank you
Speaker 1: for joining me from your vacation. Apparently a vacating I mean, what's.
Speaker 2: Happening, I don't know. I just by the way, I
Speaker 2: just want to say it's horrible here because I don't
Speaker 2: want anybody coming. Well.
Speaker 1: I saw the picture from on Instagram of the traffic,
Speaker 1: which is of course a sandy sandy path. I was
Speaker 1: just immediately filled with Josey.
Speaker 2: I am not going to say anything about this. Paradise
Speaker 2: is stantatic.
Speaker 1: You're in a secret location.
Speaker 2: I have done my homework. Oh good, looked at how
Speaker 2: jam packed that season was.
Speaker 1: I mean season three. We had to have you back
Speaker 1: on to revisit season three because it is incredible.
Speaker 2: There is so much in there. And can I just say,
Speaker 2: and I don't know if this was your experience. Season
Speaker 2: three was when we started going into stores and people
Speaker 2: were like, oh, yeah, I know that ship decly really
Speaker 2: starting to uh borrow, And yeah.
Speaker 1: Yes, I do absolutely remember that. And I feel like,
Speaker 1: you know, Sarah Jessica. This is when I think, to me,
Speaker 1: things clicked in my mind that Sarah Jessica had had
Speaker 1: these previous relationships with designers, right and had known them
Speaker 1: and gone to events with them, and she understood, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of the personal side of it in terms of
Speaker 1: how to go about that relationship and being respectful of course,
Speaker 1: and returning everything when you were supposed to and all
Speaker 1: of that. And that was when I started trying to find,
Speaker 1: you know, who I liked number one, who fit me
Speaker 1: number two and then trying to kind of develop those relationships,
Speaker 1: whether it be through going to a fashion week to
Speaker 1: their show or you know, getting to know, like the
Speaker 1: personal shopper at Prada was our close friend for a
Speaker 1: long time.
Speaker 2: Oh that's right, Remember.
Speaker 1: How she was fantasic?
Speaker 2: I remember, yes, she was great. And I remember Kevin
Speaker 2: to Who's There?
Speaker 1: Yeah, amazing, amazing.
Speaker 2: Well you educated yourself so so quickly because that was
Speaker 2: kind of unexplored territory in a weird way for television.
Speaker 1: Oh very much so. I mean obviously we were in television.
Speaker 1: We were HBO.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, true, but I remember people we go to
Speaker 2: ask for something and people were like sex in the City,
Speaker 2: is that some show about more goat Like they didn't.
Speaker 2: They wanted to see it first before they played with.
Speaker 1: Us, Oh for sure, for sure. And I feel like
Speaker 1: it was also the year, this is the year that
Speaker 1: we got nominated for the Emmy, which was like for me, uh,
Speaker 1: I remember everything about that so vividly, and the shock,
Speaker 1: like the shocks, you remember how shocked we were, and
Speaker 1: the fact that we then win it eventually like the
Speaker 1: next year also just still insane to think about because
Speaker 1: no HBO comedy had ever been nominated, much less one,
Speaker 1: you know, and we always thought that the Sopranos would
Speaker 1: be the ones, and of course they also were, but
Speaker 1: it was so wonderful that we were thought of in that.
Speaker 2: Way exactly, so heavy hitters, yeah in it. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: just have to say, yeah, your hair, thank you, and
Speaker 2: your skin oh always lawless, So thank you.
Speaker 1: Baby. This is neglected hair that is very very long. Okay,
Speaker 1: it's very very long and slightly dead on the ends
Speaker 1: from work, so it needs some love. But you're looking
Speaker 1: fantastic there on your bake cake.
Speaker 2: Uh well, let's just say, oh, this paradise is not
Speaker 2: telling you my GPS location at all. Never come here.
Speaker 2: It's horrible.
Speaker 1: I will not well not, but I'm happy that you're
Speaker 1: getting some rest because we couldn't have you on for
Speaker 1: a while because you were working. You have been busy, busy, busy,
Speaker 1: busy lady.
Speaker 2: I have. And it was, as you can imagine, an
Speaker 2: incredible experience that you gals trained me.
Speaker 1: Really, I'm just going to tell everybody. So Mollie was
Speaker 1: doing the Devil Wars part of two. She was on
Speaker 1: the Devil Wars part of one with Pat and you
Speaker 1: know Molly and Pat have been with us since the
Speaker 1: very very beginning. Well, Molly was not on the pilot.
Speaker 1: She was on episode one, so you know episode two,
Speaker 1: I guess right, but that's pretty much the very beginning
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety eight. And we love her desperately, people desperately,
Speaker 1: and as Sarah, Jessica and I have many, many, many
Speaker 1: times discussed the level of detail that you bring to
Speaker 1: everything you do is beyond like we have neither of
Speaker 1: us have ever worked with anyone that brings the level
Speaker 1: of detail of each button. Molly has an obsession with buttons.
Speaker 1: You guys, you do buttons and tassels and trim okay, yeah, trim, prograin, ribbons, castles, buttons.
Speaker 1: She has like a column in the you know, in
Speaker 1: the fitting rooms. I think you guys have seen the
Speaker 1: pictures on Instagram. I'll repost when we air this. She
Speaker 1: has like a car. All of them were like buttons,
Speaker 1: like sheets of buttons that she got in like midtown,
Speaker 1: you know, like there's ribbon store in midtown. Mollie will
Speaker 1: go and she will find all these ribbons and bring
Speaker 1: the ribbons back and make ear rings out of them
Speaker 1: for you, okay, like earrings. No is it is crafty
Speaker 1: because it's like old school, you know, like you also
Speaker 1: will take a dress completely apart and re put it
Speaker 1: together obviously with our wonderful tailor Adrian or you know, totally.
Speaker 2: I'm sure those ribbon stores and Buttons stores were probably
Speaker 2: not there anymore. They are losing the garment center as
Speaker 2: we speak. And I learned detail is for winners from
Speaker 2: those control freaks Pat s j Can I guess you.
Speaker 1: Oh no, you taught me, babe.
Speaker 2: You attention to everything, and as we know these days,
Speaker 2: that is so true what people pay attention to.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I mean, yeah, you were you were Minutia,
Speaker 1: the Minutia.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, it's not pleasant.
Speaker 1: No, the Minutia is a little bit much. And as
Speaker 1: we talked about it with a different a different person
Speaker 1: who was on a couple of weeks ago, the bizarre paparazzi,
Speaker 1: you know, like continual paparazzi all day long, which you
Speaker 1: guys also got on Prada, is I think in some
Speaker 1: ways detrimental because you're seeing these outfits out of context.
Speaker 1: Like I remember when we came back with them just
Speaker 1: like that. We we knew that we had killed big,
Speaker 1: but not everybody knew, thank goodness. We had to keep
Speaker 1: it top secret. So people were just so confused why
Speaker 1: Carrie was dressing like that, and it was so frustrating
Speaker 1: because they don't know the plot or the story. Thank
Speaker 1: goodness they don't, right, But you're seeing just you're being
Speaker 1: inundated all day long with the paparazzi pictures on your Instagram,
Speaker 1: and you're thinking, why is she wearing that? You know,
Speaker 1: and it makes no sense, whereas if you knew the
Speaker 1: plot it might make sense. But I feel like you've
Speaker 1: already gone through this gauntlet of judgment from the preparazzi pictures,
Speaker 1: which is really unfair because the costumes are supposed to
Speaker 1: tell a story. They're not just supposed to be great
Speaker 1: standalone outfits necessarily.
Speaker 2: Right, they're not commercials like I in the conjecture, which
Speaker 2: is what you're talking about too, that goes on and on,
Speaker 2: why would she wear that? I just experienced the little
Speaker 2: taste of what may be coming at me. There was
Speaker 2: a teaser relation, Honey. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I follow everything because I love you so much and
Speaker 1: so I'm always and I'm not. I don't even obviously
Speaker 1: he texts you if it's stressy, because I'm like, I
Speaker 1: know she's stressing, needs your warnings? Oh maybe I should
Speaker 1: warn you? I mean, look, I also feel, I mean,
Speaker 1: what I like about if I have to try to
Speaker 1: find the silver lining of the critique that's happening continually
Speaker 1: is that when they first see something, right, when when Instagram, TikTok,
Speaker 1: whatever first experiences something, they'll there they say their gut reaction,
Speaker 1: like why would Miranda Presley be wearing you know what,
Speaker 1: you call them studs? What do they call which? What?
Speaker 1: Valentine Valentino rock stud thank you so much?
Speaker 2: Why? Why?
Speaker 1: Why? And then they were like, there's this shoe. There's
Speaker 1: this shoe. There's this shoe, And I mean it is
Speaker 1: a kind of a tyranny in a way, Like I
Speaker 1: was invited to something recently and I really just was
Speaker 1: like frozen. I thought like, I don't know if everyone
Speaker 1: is going to be wearing coup tour gowns from the
Speaker 1: runway or like a black dress to look decent and whatever.
Speaker 1: But like all the people and I love them all,
Speaker 1: I love Nikki Bell, I'm all for them, and I
Speaker 1: love their point of view, but like it's scary, right,
Speaker 1: am I going to be picked apart if I don't
Speaker 1: want a couptur gown from the runway? I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's so scary, So I didn't go. I know, I'm
Speaker 1: just trying to live my life, I know, and I
Speaker 1: wanted to support. It was for Clooney, and I wanted
Speaker 1: to sport, but I didn't go because I don't have
Speaker 1: an outfit that they're not going to kill me for.
Speaker 1: So I didn't go. But it's the same with these teasers. Right,
Speaker 1: you put out a teaser. I thought it was fantastic,
Speaker 1: and then first they're like, she would never wear a
Speaker 1: rock stud that was nineteen whatever, blah blah blah. I
Speaker 1: don't know what year was too.
Speaker 2: That was what is the message here?
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, what is the message? But what I loved
Speaker 1: is that it did come around like first they were
Speaker 1: like no, no, no, that's terrible, no whatever. Then and
Speaker 1: they were like this is a better choice. This is
Speaker 1: a better choice, which always cracks me up. Also, right,
Speaker 1: and also, you're working with actors who have an opinion.
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying Merrill chose that shoe. I don't
Speaker 1: know who chose that shoe. And you don't have to
Speaker 1: tell us, but I want to, Okay, great, tell us,
Speaker 1: tell us.
Speaker 2: We chose the shoe. Sometimes well, I wasn't in the room,
Speaker 2: of course, but oh no. Sometimes you're in a room
Speaker 2: with people like marketing people who think they know better
Speaker 2: than you, and that shoe if you want a bang
Speaker 2: in a punch for a commercial, yeah, that's an attend
Speaker 2: you know, that's like a bold statement. Was it character related? No?
Speaker 2: Got it? So it was insisted on, and both shoes
Speaker 2: mine and theirs was shot. And then when I saw
Speaker 2: the teaser, I was, oh, Molly, yeah.
Speaker 1: That's so upsetting. You guys, this is really important because
Speaker 1: everyone wants to blame the costume designer and it's so
Speaker 1: not fair because there's so many players.
Speaker 2: The director that has a very good, you know, very.
Speaker 1: Frank Old David frank Old director, and he has a
Speaker 1: good opinion and is respectful, I believe, you know, to Molly,
Speaker 1: which is wonderful. And then the actor sometimes has opinions.
Speaker 2: You know, certainly they have a onion or something.
Speaker 1: Sure they might have They might have some some like
Speaker 1: real actual walking issues, like a serious issue. That's true,
Speaker 1: Like there are some people that they cannot wear the
Speaker 1: super high heels, and then there's some people they might
Speaker 1: be really really good at it. I'm not going to
Speaker 1: name names right now, but then they hurt their foot
Speaker 1: in a certain shoe and that kind of hobbles them,
Speaker 1: and then you are just like trying like one time,
Speaker 1: I know, for for you know, for myself, I was
Speaker 1: trying to wear those super high heels. I was like,
Speaker 1: I can still do it. No, no, no, no no. And then
Speaker 1: we were doing the dress for when I fall on
Speaker 1: the mattress in the gallery right, And for some reason
Speaker 1: I chose those lunatic level lubitons, the Zendayawares. I think
Speaker 1: we just thought they looked good with the dress in
Speaker 1: the room. I forgot everything that I have to do
Speaker 1: in those shoes. And then after that I was in
Speaker 1: some pain and there was a coffee No it's not
Speaker 1: coffee shop, the Mario's place, you know, the bread the
Speaker 1: bread place.
Speaker 2: Hot fellas, Hot fellas.
Speaker 1: Good job, Mollie, yes, hot Fellaws. I'm in Hot Fellows.
Speaker 1: I have to get up at one table and walk
Speaker 1: to the other table, and my feed hurts so badly
Speaker 1: that I kind of teetered totter across the room in
Speaker 1: like the saddest way. Oh, because it was like the
Speaker 1: week after or whatever, you know what I'm saying, So
Speaker 1: like I had I had done myself in in the gallery.
Speaker 1: And then I was still wearing those really high shoes
Speaker 1: because I think we had them in like every color,
Speaker 1: you know, and I had thought to myself paying for it, right,
Speaker 1: and I was like, we're just sitting in the restaurant, right,
Speaker 1: it'll be fine. But I forgot I had to go
Speaker 1: talk to the other moms.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. But I have to say that I
Speaker 2: think was because of the physicality in the gallery, because
Speaker 2: you are pretty pretty, you know, stealth and good and
Speaker 2: really tall ones like thankruly.
Speaker 1: I'm usually pretty good. It was it was that I
Speaker 1: had to run in them and then fall and we
Speaker 1: had my son double but she never did it because
Speaker 1: that's how it always happens, right, So I did it
Speaker 1: like forty times, maybe, you know, kind of cuckoo level.
Speaker 1: And I think it was pretty late at night, you know,
Speaker 1: which is our way up. Okay, there were choices of shoes,
Speaker 1: is what you're saying. There were choices, So your choice
Speaker 1: is not what ended up. And this is a real
Speaker 1: this is important to have on the record, Molly. That
Speaker 1: was not your choice. And so there were marketing people involved,
Speaker 1: and what you're saying to me is that they felt
Speaker 1: that that was kind of an identifiable, bold choice.
Speaker 2: I think that through their untrained eye and not just
Speaker 2: seeing like a gold gramt, they thought that has a
Speaker 2: lot of punch. Interesting, that get a lot for our money.
Speaker 2: They now think that these things are translated into characters.
Speaker 2: She would never.
Speaker 1: No probably not no, no, no, Wow.
Speaker 2: It's too flashy for her.
Speaker 1: It's flashy, and it's also like just slightly not current.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's like things happen as you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is important to be on the record about,
Speaker 1: I think because sometimes people want to just take you
Speaker 1: to task, and I feel like it's very unfair. It's
Speaker 1: very unfair. And there's some times in this episode, I
Speaker 1: mean this season. I guess we're really get the whole season,
Speaker 1: season three, which is like the year two thousand, right,
Speaker 1: which is kind of a long time ago. But it's
Speaker 1: also so amazing how incredibly current things really look, absolutely,
Speaker 1: which is bizarre to me. Is it because the nineties
Speaker 1: or whatever they want to consider it is the nineties
Speaker 1: is kind of back? Or like, is it just that
Speaker 1: they're timelessly good outfits?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, I'm looking at all your
Speaker 2: references from this jam Pack season. Yeah, it's a lot
Speaker 2: nice things that are very you know, like a lot
Speaker 2: of Cavali on care right.
Speaker 1: No, I know, listen, I brought I brought my Cavali.
Speaker 1: I need to show this to you guys. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: put it on the Instagram because I brought this because
Speaker 1: I was gonna wear it, okay, and it looks really
Speaker 1: big how I'm holding it up right now. I was
Speaker 1: gonna wear it. But when I put it, it's like
Speaker 1: a little handkerchief. I was like, I can't wear this.
Speaker 1: I was gonna wear this in honor of our podcast,
Speaker 1: because I keep this in a little jeor at home.
Speaker 1: But this is a Kvali. It's like so of the time, right,
Speaker 1: it's so.
Speaker 2: Cute's dilutely the fabric and the christ the glitter. It's
Speaker 2: like thee I.
Speaker 1: Wore this on the rooftop. Remember the baking hot Yeah,
Speaker 1: the cookout, the cookout, Yes, the end of the season
Speaker 1: with that iconic picture, if I do say so myself
Speaker 1: of us laughing when our feet had sunken into the tar,
Speaker 1: because that was the level of heat we were dealing
Speaker 1: with that day.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. Those are the things you remember.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And also that the elevators broke and so we
Speaker 1: were walking up and down the stairs of that very
Speaker 1: tall building. Yes, yes, the day is.
Speaker 2: A really great photo, though, I have to say it
Speaker 2: has so much of the energy of the dynamic four.
Speaker 1: I agree, I agree, it's that's why it's one of
Speaker 1: my favorite all time photos. For sure.
Speaker 2: Everybody looks nuts like Kim Kim Kim in a two
Speaker 2: piece Gingham outfit. She looks like, you know, it's fantastic,
Speaker 2: Mally and from Gulligan. Yes, yes, what it was? Yes?
Speaker 2: How far can we push this? They're having a cookout
Speaker 2: Gingham two pieces, Yes, glitter Cavali.
Speaker 1: Glitter Cavali. And I think I was wearing like a
Speaker 1: short skirt and I never get up because I'm and
Speaker 1: I'm like kind of tugging at the skirt like you
Speaker 1: just know. Pat was like, wear it. You know.
Speaker 2: I love when you imitate her cause you sound like her. You.
Speaker 1: I don't think I do it justice at all, not
Speaker 1: at all.
Speaker 2: I tried.
Speaker 1: It's hard, it's hard. Okay, let's start a little bit
Speaker 1: at the beginning, if you will allow me.
Speaker 2: I have my phone. Oh fantastic you're talking of of course,
Speaker 2: of course I have a few stories as you do.
Speaker 1: Oh, I can't wait, I think you're gonna have stories
Speaker 1: that I don't even remember. Okay, this is the episode.
Speaker 1: It's called where There's Smoke and we go to Staten Island. Now,
Speaker 1: the thing that I remember whenever we would go back
Speaker 1: to work, because this is the first episode of the season, right,
Speaker 1: And obviously I was shooting two episodes at the same time,
Speaker 1: so I think the next one, the first one is
Speaker 1: where There's smoke, and the next one is politically incorrect
Speaker 1: with style, right, right, Yeah, thats right. So we would
Speaker 1: always film too at once, and I remember every year
Speaker 1: because it was February that we'd go back to work,
Speaker 1: but the show didn't come on till June, so we're freezing,
Speaker 1: like freezing. New York City in February is so getting cold,
Speaker 1: you guys. And I am a lightweight. I'm a Southerner,
Speaker 1: as is Molly. I like my hot humidity. It's like
Speaker 1: what I live for. So I'm all always freezing cold.
Speaker 1: And Pat always wanted us in furs, and I believe
Speaker 1: this was the year. I never wanted to wear the fur.
Speaker 1: I always begged, please, please don't make me wear the fur,
Speaker 1: and She's like, no, it's wonderful, fabulous, and I had
Speaker 1: to go to burg Dwarfs. I want to say to
Speaker 1: the fur department, do you remember this?
Speaker 2: Like it was either Burgdorf for sacks, and sacks was
Speaker 2: where they would loan them out. Got it, okay?
Speaker 1: And there was a cape memory, thank you. This was
Speaker 1: a trauma for me, all right. This was like up
Speaker 1: there on the trauma level. There was a chinchilla cape
Speaker 1: and she really loved it for Charlotte. Now look, I
Speaker 1: get it. Capes are fantastic, and it was kind of soft,
Speaker 1: but it had the little chinchilla and it just looks
Speaker 1: like little chinchillas. And I went home that night and
Speaker 1: I had nightmares that the chinchillas came alive and we're
Speaker 1: crawling all over me. And so then I was like, Pat,
Speaker 1: I can't sleep thinking about that chinchilla cape, Like, please
Speaker 1: don't make me wear it, Please don't make me wear it.
Speaker 1: So I would wear her down. I would like keep
Speaker 1: on begging and begging and begging, and end up in
Speaker 1: the shearling. That was like as far as I could
Speaker 1: get her down. And some of these pink shearlings that
Speaker 1: I wear are still on people's favorite Charlotte outfits ever.
Speaker 2: Wow, I know, Okay, that's what you wore on the.
Speaker 1: Ferry, exactly right, Yeah, yep.
Speaker 2: And I think I have a confused with the baseball game.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, because I have a different one there.
Speaker 1: I think every year she would get me in a
Speaker 1: pink sharling, and then there's one coming up when Sir
Speaker 1: Jeska is pregnant and we're cold and I'm wearing a
Speaker 1: pink shearling that people put in like top ten Charlotte.
Speaker 1: You know, I'll post on the Instagram it's not in
Speaker 1: the season. But I mean, like, I think three or
Speaker 1: four seasons, she found somehow a pink shearling for me
Speaker 1: to wear, which you know was a good a good
Speaker 1: compromise for me at the time.
Speaker 2: I think off Pat's top ten disappointments, you rejecting the
Speaker 2: chinchilla cape is probably way up there, but it sounds
Speaker 2: like her.
Speaker 1: I know it was up there. But can I say
Speaker 1: that she's got Kim in some major furs. I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously we also have the vintage fur, which we should
Speaker 1: touch on a bit, Carrie's vintage fur, which we have now.
Speaker 2: May I speak, please do please do? Okay, Now I
Speaker 2: believe I am correct. At the time, I was so
Speaker 2: curious what is that I believe. I was told it
Speaker 2: is muskrated. Have you ever heard this?
Speaker 1: No, I have not.
Speaker 2: It's muskat that is what I believe, because that is
Speaker 2: morphed into. It's an opossum coach.
Speaker 1: It's not.
Speaker 2: I remember I remember calling Ana's and I believe that's
Speaker 2: what it was. Now. It was not until season three
Speaker 2: and this picture that you have of her wearing it
Speaker 2: with We had it for three years. It was the
Speaker 2: first thing we bought Carrie, right. He did not find
Speaker 2: out that it unzipped into a short jacket until the
Speaker 2: third year. I think, yeah, it's longer. Oh, we had
Speaker 2: no idea until somebody looked at and goes, hey, this
Speaker 2: thing gets short. Wasn't that fabulous?
Speaker 1: That is fabulous? But wait, did we have another piece?
Speaker 1: Or is this it?
Speaker 2: That's the shorty version?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: Got it?
Speaker 1: Because yes, there's a one where it comes below her knee.
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, got it is a fabulous thing.
Speaker 1: It is. Let me ask you. It's not pure Carden correct. No, yeah,
Speaker 1: the internet thinks it is. It's not you guys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like a no name, isn't it.
Speaker 2: I don't think so.
Speaker 1: I think I think.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure about that. I mean they have season
Speaker 2: one and two continuity books at HBO.
Speaker 1: Oh well, we better get them before somewhere is HBO
Speaker 1: and we can't get this right.
Speaker 2: Before it's Netflix. Yeah, but it's really difficult because it's
Speaker 2: all of our handwritings on polaroids and it's not you know,
Speaker 2: the books are at HBO. Uh digital digital digital one
Speaker 2: in two episode, I mean season one and two, got it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Wow, that's interesting. I mean, Sarah Jessica feels like
Speaker 1: it's a vintage no name that came from Ina, you
Speaker 1: know in the very beginning, right, she could.
Speaker 2: Be right, I remember, you know, as you do find
Speaker 2: in vintage coats someone's monogrammed initials in the chest.
Speaker 1: Rh right, like a person.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, that would be definitely passed down through
Speaker 2: to Aina. But I just found that to be so
Speaker 2: interesting to find that it had a piece that came away.
Speaker 1: It's very cool. Now look at this crazy fur that
Speaker 1: she's got Kim in here for the fire station, I believe,
Speaker 1: and then takes it off.
Speaker 2: I have a little story for you if you're interested. Yes,
Speaker 2: number one that was in the Cole Miller dress, which
Speaker 2: I'm sure you remember Miller. Yes, And I'll never forget
Speaker 2: that night, Kim insisted on taping her ankles in white
Speaker 2: gauze so she could slide down the pole easier. And
Speaker 2: if you watch that episode, you see it.
Speaker 1: What I must rewatch? I didn't even notice, well something,
Speaker 1: How did she even know that? That's so interesting?
Speaker 2: She thought it would grease her better? Wow? See them
Speaker 2: if you're looking.
Speaker 1: I'm going to look back now, I'm going to look back.
Speaker 1: I mean, I thought the whole thing was very bold.
Speaker 1: I had not really remembered everything that she did. And
Speaker 1: she looks so cute when she puts the little suspenders
Speaker 1: over her naked eye.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, that was That's cute.
Speaker 1: It's pretty good. It's pretty good. But I think that
Speaker 1: Pat took all the furs that I wouldn't wear and
Speaker 1: just made Kim wear bear furs.
Speaker 2: Totally totally. That color is too hot for Charlotte. Give
Speaker 2: it over to Savantha.
Speaker 1: Oh for sure, for sure. I mean also I think
Speaker 1: that it would swallow me and you couldn't see my head,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's a lot of coat.
Speaker 1: It's a lot of coat. She can pull it off.
Speaker 1: I think also when we see Sarah with slattery is
Speaker 1: when we really start to see the flowers. So I
Speaker 1: was wondering if you remember, how did it start? Did
Speaker 1: you realize what you were doing?
Speaker 2: Like Jeska came in that season and said, I'm into flowers.
Speaker 2: What she saw that inspired her? I don't remember the
Speaker 2: person in history that she was like, I want to
Speaker 2: bring those back. So someone went to the fancy, fancy
Speaker 2: flower pace on fourteenth Street and just got boxes of them.
Speaker 2: And it was a really great thing to introduce. It's
Speaker 2: it was so viral, you know.
Speaker 1: I know it still is. It still is. So you
Speaker 1: guys just got a bunch of fake flower pins or
Speaker 1: just fake flowers and so so them on things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they were so beautiful from that store had
Speaker 2: such a fabulous name like Sherman and Oaks.
Speaker 1: That's fine. Did we have Nile at this time on
Speaker 1: the show as our tailor? I think so, I feel
Speaker 1: like we must have, right, she was so amazing also
Speaker 1: or trillion, oh trillion, trillion, so great, Oh my gosh, trillion.
Speaker 1: We've had some.
Speaker 2: We all we broke all their spirits.
Speaker 1: Because you guys, there's no harder job. No, I know,
Speaker 1: every single outfit for every single person has to be
Speaker 1: tailored within an inch of.
Speaker 2: His life, absolutely tailoring jeans for Carrie I Burger. Burger
Speaker 2: wanted his T shirt sleeve a quarter of an inch shorter,
Speaker 2: which almost we lost our minds.
Speaker 1: See it's the people you least expect, right, Like if
Speaker 1: you look at Sir A Jessica and you were like, yes,
Speaker 1: that would be hard to find jeans that would fit
Speaker 1: that tiny little body. That makes sense, but right, you know,
Speaker 1: it doesn't necessarily make sense that Burger would want his
Speaker 1: T shirts accord. That's interesting. I did want to touch
Speaker 1: on John Corbett as well, because he shows up here
Speaker 1: right for the first time, John baby face John.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh that's a story.
Speaker 1: I mean, tell us, okay, and then you know.
Speaker 2: All these little tidbits. I mean, it's just what happened.
Speaker 2: I mean, no one any harm. Of course, you know,
Speaker 2: his reservation jewelry was a big talking point. I remember
Speaker 2: hated it, but in order to get him to wear
Speaker 2: some of the shirts she was interested in, she had
Speaker 2: to compromise.
Speaker 1: Got it.
Speaker 2: But in hindsight that was a mist you know, in
Speaker 2: my opinion, I don't think he needed jewelry like that.
Speaker 1: It was interesting when I watched it because obviously I
Speaker 1: know Corbett and I obviously know that is his jewelry,
Speaker 1: but and I also know that that's his double denim.
Speaker 1: You know, Okay, I do? I mean don't we all right?
Speaker 1: Because Corbett is a pretty big personality. He's not somebody
Speaker 1: who's just like, oh yeah, wear whatever you want. That's
Speaker 1: just not who John is. He has a lot of opinions,
Speaker 1: and you know, feels very much like this is who
Speaker 1: the character is or isn't. But the thing, which I
Speaker 1: me too, I mean, you need that, and I think
Speaker 1: that in our world from the men, you really needed
Speaker 1: that because you know, they needed to be feeling confident
Speaker 1: and like they could make their own statement right because
Speaker 1: it was so much our show, right, Yeah, we got it.
Speaker 2: To them right.
Speaker 1: It was hard.
Speaker 2: They wanted to be one of the divas.
Speaker 1: For sure, and more power too though I'm all for it.
Speaker 1: But like for him, when I look back on the show,
Speaker 1: first of all, I didn't remember him having that little babyface.
Speaker 1: It really just like, oh that little baby face. John
Speaker 1: is just something right and long hair. He is so
Speaker 1: one million percent the anti big that it is powerful, right,
Speaker 1: and the jewelry kind of takes it further. Yes, So
Speaker 1: from that perspective, I got it like, he's not New
Speaker 1: York City, he's not you know, fashion, he's his own thing.
Speaker 2: That's really important to bring up.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, but Pat, as a true New Yorker, did not
Speaker 2: understand a turquoise ring, you know by huge huge. She
Speaker 2: was not interested. I love it, I get it, I
Speaker 2: get it right.
Speaker 1: And then there's this one thing I want to talk
Speaker 1: about too, because it has to do with him. And
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was you guys or him,
Speaker 1: because one of the things when I look at the
Speaker 1: show the old really because now we're in two thousand,
Speaker 1: which is really right on the cusp of the nineties.
Speaker 1: Right when he comes to my wedding, which he doesn't
Speaker 1: come to, right, aiden doesn't come because they end up
Speaker 1: breaking up, remember this outside of the wedding. But he's
Speaker 1: dressed to come to the wedding. He's wearing this massive suit, okay,
Speaker 1: and it's brown and it's like not tailored, it's like
Speaker 1: kind of flowy. It's strange.
Speaker 2: About first of all, when I saw your note about that,
Speaker 2: I was like, uh, brown, that that's so odd, right,
Speaker 2: you know, And I think there were big discussions about
Speaker 2: this guy doesn't alter his clothes, oh not turned you know,
Speaker 2: he didn't go to a tailor, he didn't go into
Speaker 2: the store and say, you know, I thought it was
Speaker 2: something like opinions that wanted it, you know, not ill fitting.
Speaker 1: And it really was. It really was at the point
Speaker 1: where I was like, what's going on. But also at
Speaker 1: that point in time because the season before, We've got
Speaker 1: Big getting engaged in Natasha and he's also wearing a
Speaker 1: brown jacket and I'm like, oh, the brown, like and
Speaker 1: it's not the brown that we would use now if
Speaker 1: we did use brown. Right, it's like a bat.
Speaker 2: Pet loves chocolate suits and they're so hard to find,
Speaker 2: or they were then, and whenever she saw one, she
Speaker 2: was like, somebody's wearing that. No way, she loved them.
Speaker 2: That's weird, as they were so sexy and chocolatey, and.
Speaker 1: I don't know, that's super interesting. It's also to me
Speaker 1: there was like a change happening in suiting for men,
Speaker 1: but it hadn't really happened yet, Like tom Ford hadn't
Speaker 1: really happened yet. You know, there were things that were
Speaker 1: coming that were going to really change tailoring, how we
Speaker 1: looked at tailoring, what we expected, and whereas we had
Speaker 1: always been beautifully tailored because he was he was playing
Speaker 1: like a you know, media dude or whatever. Right, find out,
Speaker 1: do whatever he's supposed to be. But everyone else is
Speaker 1: You're like, huh, what are they wearing? But I kind
Speaker 1: of like that. Okay, wait, I have a question.
Speaker 2: Funny I need to watch that again. For John's brown suit,
Speaker 2: that's hilarious. It's like top and then on it just
Speaker 2: like that. We had him in a suit that didn't
Speaker 2: fit when he went to that other remember that.
Speaker 1: Yes, but that was a story point, right, But then
Speaker 1: they cut that scene, didn't they did? They cut the
Speaker 1: scene where he they think there's a big and tall
Speaker 1: shop on the corner, but it's gone. I think we
Speaker 1: refer to it.
Speaker 2: We refer to it.
Speaker 1: But he's got those short pants. But it's so funny.
Speaker 1: It's really, it's so obviously funny. Did you not think
Speaker 1: it was funny? Were you dying?
Speaker 2: We did. We were hoping that you would see that
Speaker 2: they were short.
Speaker 1: I think you did. When he's walking down the street
Speaker 1: with her, you know, towy us. I mean, it's pretty obvious.
Speaker 1: It's pretty obvious. I mean it is funny, you know.
Speaker 1: I don't think people also realize how tall Corbett is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well you do when you see them together in
Speaker 2: a closet or.
Speaker 1: You know, but somehow those tiptoes.
Speaker 2: He is a tall drink of water.
Speaker 1: He is a tall drink of water and a sweetheart.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm still trying to talk him into coming on
Speaker 1: the podcast. So if you run into him, also.
Speaker 2: I will, Yeah, I will pester him, thank you.
Speaker 1: I know, right, we need his voice, we need his memories.
Speaker 2: He's got great stories.
Speaker 1: Right right, we need it. I'll do my best. I'm trying.
Speaker 1: I've been texting him, but he's not responding. All right.
Speaker 1: This is Carrie.
Speaker 2: When we dance on the dance floor dancing.
Speaker 1: To that to yep, I think so yes, that's so great.
Speaker 2: You two are so distinctive in your dance moves. I
Speaker 2: love that scene.
Speaker 1: I think we had that choreographer there. Do you remember
Speaker 1: how anytime it said the word dance, she'd be like,
Speaker 1: where's the choreographer coming, even if it was just casual. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because it was scary. You know, we were scared. We
Speaker 1: were always scared. I'm dancing, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: You know, and I'm happy. I'm happy that we did.
Speaker 1: I also, I have that bag that I have on
Speaker 1: my on my arm when I'm dancing. I think it's
Speaker 1: Selene and it's white. It's like a white rhymestone. I
Speaker 1: should have brought that in body cool exactly. I do
Speaker 1: have it.
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 1: I have two of them because at some point, Yeah,
Speaker 1: isn't that strange? It doesn't look anything like Selena of today?
Speaker 2: Nothing, that's pretty impressive. I'm glad you have it. I
Speaker 2: can't wait to talk about another outfit of yours. I'm
Speaker 2: praying you have it, which well I'll hold, I'll.
Speaker 1: Well, you always get it. No, no, whatever's on your mind.
Speaker 2: Go it's fun halts or dress that ties in the front.
Speaker 1: When Tiffany's yes, A course, that's a good one. And
Speaker 1: apparently it's for Sachi. Is that right? I don't even
Speaker 1: know for that? No?
Speaker 2: Is it Glare? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I thought it was about Glare too. Sometimes the Internet
Speaker 1: has things wrong, you guys. I don't want to break
Speaker 1: anybody's or anything, but sometimes I look at the little captions.
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, no, that's not it. Here we go.
Speaker 1: It's a good one. It's a really good one. And
Speaker 1: I feel like.
Speaker 2: We have had Darren perfect with that.
Speaker 1: Thank you. They did great, didn't they I think this
Speaker 1: is why I had that really nice French guy. Was
Speaker 1: his name like Pierre. Maybe he used to give me
Speaker 1: the most amazing blowout. My whole neck would be like
Speaker 1: getting pulled off my off my shoulders in the trailer.
Speaker 1: But it was worth it, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Wow, Like he just like to manipulate hair, big time,
Speaker 2: big time movie star Elizabeth taking Thanks babe.
Speaker 1: I mean I think what we were going for because
Speaker 1: we knew we were going to end up this is
Speaker 1: mcdou Charles McDougall's directing this, which, of course one of
Speaker 1: my all time favorites. I thought he really understood a
Speaker 1: great guy, and he understood Charlotte, and he understood Charlotte
Speaker 1: and Trey, and he always had like such interesting creative
Speaker 1: camera things he would do, you know, and he always
Speaker 1: came to work in that beautiful suit. So he understood fashion.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he was a cool cucumber, that one.
Speaker 1: He really was.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I think we were going for like an Audrey
Speaker 1: hepburn esque, but like modern and casual version, you know,
Speaker 1: like not trying too hard. Right.
Speaker 2: It looks so amazing in that dress, Thank you, baby.
Speaker 2: That holds up for it.
Speaker 1: It definitely does, and I don't own it, which is
Speaker 1: really sad. But can I tell you there's some really
Speaker 1: funny details here. So number one, we have done this dress,
Speaker 1: different versions of this dress through the years, Like do
Speaker 1: you remember in the movie I have a white version
Speaker 1: which I think is also Moudglair, which I do own.
Speaker 1: That's like a rap it wraps around and is backless
Speaker 1: that we wore when I have that Hot Nanny. Do
Speaker 1: you remember that when Hot Nanny gets out Asloma with
Speaker 1: her zooms nipples exactly? And I love that dress. That
Speaker 1: that dress you could get out and wear right now.
Speaker 2: No, no, totally. That is a classic Charlotte silhouette, backless halter,
Speaker 2: full skirt. It's just a no brainer.
Speaker 1: Love it. Then I have these, I don't know if
Speaker 1: you can see them. There's some kind of strappy shoe.
Speaker 1: It's white. I literally have worn that shoe in many
Speaker 1: different iterations through the years, including in and just like that.
Speaker 1: Do you remember when you go to her and over
Speaker 1: right over and over and over we go to stock
Speaker 1: Natasha down in the in soho on the pebbles and
Speaker 1: I'm wearing these with that.
Speaker 2: Amelia MAXI.
Speaker 1: Yes, the sailboat dress. I know, isn't that funny? I
Speaker 1: don't even think we're intellectually doing it.
Speaker 2: No, I think it's part of our cell DNA totally.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I love it. Wait, I don't even know.
Speaker 1: I'm not really in order, but it's fun times, so
Speaker 1: I don't care.
Speaker 2: Okay, sorry, no, No, I totally.
Speaker 1: Now for some reason, I'm I'm in episode ten, but
Speaker 1: I think that's because I had to find them moveglair.
Speaker 1: But it just reminds me that I have this Donna
Speaker 1: Karen dress that I wore. Do you remember this? The
Speaker 1: blue Donna Karen to the engagement party yesterday? I know
Speaker 1: I still own this, It's in storage, and.
Speaker 2: I remember how much she loved that dress. I passionately
Speaker 2: you find that dress and make us get it.
Speaker 1: I think I did. But when I look at it,
Speaker 1: I think it's a weird choice, and I think it's
Speaker 1: so interesting. Like I don't know what was going on
Speaker 1: in my own mind other than that. As you started
Speaker 1: the talking about the season, saying it was when we
Speaker 1: really did get to start really borrowing designer stuff, and
Speaker 1: I remember feeling like I couldn't fit in designer stuff
Speaker 1: because it was still very narrow in the hips, how
Speaker 1: they were cutting things, and so I was always so
Speaker 1: anxious that I wasn't going to be able to fit
Speaker 1: into it, which is actually part of how I found product,
Speaker 1: because Prada is cut in a more like nineteen forties way,
Speaker 1: you know, right, more like for hips and waist and
Speaker 1: all the things, and Donna Karen is like so user friendly. Right,
Speaker 1: So this is Donna Karen, and it's a very cool
Speaker 1: and weird dress and in some ways also kind of
Speaker 1: not in some ways when I look at it, not
Speaker 1: what Charlotte would actually be wearing to her engagement party
Speaker 1: with Trey and Bunny.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very watery and soft chiffon.
Speaker 1: Yeah, my pissy and self took over and you somehow let.
Speaker 2: Me let's say pat was into that.
Speaker 1: She must have been. And the thing that I do
Speaker 1: like about it is that is that here Charlotte is
Speaker 1: marrying into this like you know, bastion of.
Speaker 2: Preppiness story family, right like.
Speaker 1: UPTI Bunny's wearing all the you know, Chanelle boxy jackets
Speaker 1: and everything, and she shows up in this, which in
Speaker 1: some ways I think is great because like she could
Speaker 1: have just looked like everybody else. She could have been
Speaker 1: wearing pearls. She could have been wearing chanel. You know,
Speaker 1: hair ribbons exactly, all the things that we do.
Speaker 2: Later, right, a dupe of Bunny exactly.
Speaker 1: But I love that she didn't, that we didn't.
Speaker 2: That was that was cool.
Speaker 1: But I don't know if I meant it odd? You
Speaker 1: know what I mean, isn't it? It is odd? And
Speaker 1: I kept this thing and I'm so glad and I
Speaker 1: should get it out, but I feel like I'm too
Speaker 1: old to wear it. I don't know. Wait, speaking of
Speaker 1: our silhouette, look at what I'm wearing. This might be
Speaker 1: the versace. Look at what I'm wearing in Vera Wang
Speaker 1: with Anthony again, another halter. You guys were on a
Speaker 1: roll here.
Speaker 2: That you have beautiful shoulders. Oh god, I love this.
Speaker 2: I think that's correctly identified.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I do, I do, I do, and I
Speaker 1: don't own it sadly. It's really good. I wish I did.
Speaker 1: It's really good. It's also funny because this is good.
Speaker 1: A tiny, tiny hounds tooth, which I'm sure they probably
Speaker 1: told us would stroke and it so didn't.
Speaker 2: Well. Wow, I love the detail of that front chest
Speaker 2: me too, so beautifully and that is very appropriate.
Speaker 1: Very appropriate, very appropriate with Anthony and Vera Wang. Definitely. Now,
Speaker 1: let's just talk about the wedding for a second. I
Speaker 1: think you and I talked about the wedding before, and many,
Speaker 1: many fucking headlines were written. Okay about how when I
Speaker 1: jokingly said, you know, I think Sir Jessica's still mad
Speaker 1: at me about those bridesmaids dresses. I mean literally like
Speaker 1: thirty headlines, Sir Jessica angry with Kristin Davis.
Speaker 2: No, you fill me in.
Speaker 1: I'm joking, Okay, so remember.
Speaker 2: Tell me everything.
Speaker 1: Okay, So I'm getting married, Charlotte's getting married right in
Speaker 1: our Vera Wang, which I have a literal stack of
Speaker 1: polaroids of our fittings that we did, which I will
Speaker 1: get to in a second. But what I remember, and
Speaker 1: you tell me what you remember. So here are my
Speaker 1: ladies wearing slightly different versions of a beige satin dress
Speaker 1: right like, Yes, they have their own neckline which is really.
Speaker 2: Adorable, correct, which is really great.
Speaker 1: Really great?
Speaker 2: Did make those?
Speaker 1: I believe so, but I'm not one hundred percent sure. Yeah,
Speaker 1: either Vera or badgly Mishka, because my other dresses that
Speaker 1: we tried on were Badgley mishka, that's right, And then
Speaker 1: I wear badly mishka for Charlotte's second wedding because they
Speaker 1: are like lovely individuals. Anyway, the second one, I know.
Speaker 1: But what I remember about this is that there was
Speaker 1: some debate about whether or not everyone would be wearing
Speaker 1: matching bridesmaid's dresses and did they have to be this
Speaker 1: color because certain people did.
Speaker 2: Not did not want to that collar, right, Okay, I'm
Speaker 2: with you, right.
Speaker 1: And I remember there being a lot of debate.
Speaker 2: I remember this, And I remember.
Speaker 1: Also there's being like a ton of debate about my
Speaker 1: wedding dress, even though when you really look at all
Speaker 1: the all the pictures, I mean, we had like ten
Speaker 1: wedding dresses that were all amazing and could have been great,
Speaker 1: but there were so many cooks in the kitchen.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. This was This calls the war, I believe.
Speaker 2: I believe it did. It pretty pretty discussed, let's say,
Speaker 2: helpfully discussed.
Speaker 1: Healthfully discussed for quite some time.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 1: That's the other thing is that there was a big
Speaker 1: lead up to it, right, so it gave everyone time
Speaker 1: the way in and then spin around and spin around,
Speaker 1: I know, And I remember my at a certain point,
Speaker 1: I didn't care. I didn't care at all. I was
Speaker 1: just like, whatever, they're all great. I don't know, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like I think that the idea
Speaker 1: with Charlotte, because we all knew it would be very traditional,
Speaker 1: you know, big whatever you would call it, right, But
Speaker 1: like I have here, I don't know if you can
Speaker 1: see where they're like more fitted, they're less poofy. This
Speaker 1: is the one I ended up in, which is very poofy.
Speaker 1: But then there was also the veil conversation, like how
Speaker 1: long this veil is, like down to the bottom of
Speaker 1: the dress. But I had to lift the veil cathedral,
Speaker 1: thank you, you know the words. I had to lift
Speaker 1: the veil, you know, in that scene with her. This
Speaker 1: is a different silhouette, but all so beautiful. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's so many that I could have worn. But I
Speaker 1: think there were just a lot of thoughts about you know.
Speaker 2: A lot of cooks in that.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, here's a different veil that's quite poofy. You know,
Speaker 1: it was like is it going to be poofy? And
Speaker 1: then I don't know if I remember when I got
Speaker 1: married the second time, Michael Patrick sent down his note
Speaker 1: that I had to be wearing a Shantilly lace veil.
Speaker 1: Do you remember this? And we were like why, what
Speaker 1: do you mean? And he said, because Charlotte Elizabeth Taylor
Speaker 1: wore went in one of her many weddings. And we
Speaker 1: were like, okay, but we already picked the dress, Like,
Speaker 1: h maybe we needed to know that before we picked
Speaker 1: the dress. I think we just wore it and it
Speaker 1: was what it was, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: It was all the body came out on the internet
Speaker 2: after you and tried to like crucify because guess what,
Speaker 2: there wasn't one.
Speaker 1: Exactly we could create in peace. This is an adorable picture.
Speaker 1: It's a much more fitted dress. And there's Pat in
Speaker 1: the background in her bucket hat. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you can see her. She's so cute. And then I
Speaker 1: have one here somewhere. This is a tight one. I'm
Speaker 1: sure everybody was like, no, Charlotte wouldn't wear that, and
Speaker 1: I probably really wanted to wear that. There's one. This
Speaker 1: is one where I have like a very poofy veil on.
Speaker 1: There's one. This is one. It has a big bottom
Speaker 1: and those are Pats tennis shoes. She is under my
Speaker 1: dress completely covered. She's trying to pull down the lining.
Speaker 2: What a fabulous picture you're kidding me. I want to
Speaker 2: see that on Instagram.
Speaker 1: I will put it on Instagram for everyone to see it.
Speaker 2: It's just really cute.
Speaker 1: Just your sneakers are showing and you would never know
Speaker 1: that there's a human being under there.
Speaker 2: She's totally okay. Then I want to ask you something
Speaker 2: because your memory is so good because it was your wedding. Yeah,
Speaker 2: what about the Scottish plaid treatment on Carrie's brides because
Speaker 2: she was.
Speaker 1: The brides maid? Made of honor?
Speaker 2: Right right?
Speaker 1: I love it. I didn't remember it at all, but
Speaker 1: I love it so much because you absolutely know that
Speaker 1: was Sara Jusca. And this is the use of you
Speaker 1: with your trims. I'm sure that you were like, yes,
Speaker 1: I will get those those.
Speaker 2: Little Scottish plaid section and find something appropriate.
Speaker 1: And I think there's a broach on top of it,
Speaker 1: which is also very much coming.
Speaker 2: Like reminiscent of a flower. Yep so but on the
Speaker 2: bell very smart. Ye.
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it so much. And there
Speaker 1: is the guy you know, obviously, Trey's wearing his kilt,
Speaker 1: which is adorable, and then there's his cousin or whoever
Speaker 1: he is. Who's Scottish the way we can't understand anything,
Speaker 1: says who's also wearing a killed I believe right, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: and talks about how there is something under there but
Speaker 1: it's easy to get off or something. I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's very trippy and funny, very trippy and funny.
Speaker 2: Now, how many times were you married, lady?
Speaker 1: Just twice?
Speaker 2: What do you mean.
Speaker 1: You think there's more?
Speaker 2: First with Trey, yes, Scottish? Yeah, what was the second one?
Speaker 2: It's Harry, It's Harry. There's nobody in between. Now, okay,
Speaker 2: you only got married twice. I'm very disappointed in you.
Speaker 1: You are you know why we put on like forty
Speaker 1: wedding dresses. So I think that's why you think I
Speaker 1: got married more. No, no, you know, Charlotte finds Harry
Speaker 1: and you know then then it's it came over with
Speaker 1: the world exactly exactly. And remember he was my divorce
Speaker 1: lawyer from Trey. That's how I mean him, which is
Speaker 1: so perfect. Okay, now I have this picture where my
Speaker 1: producers really want to understand this necklace. Sarah has like
Speaker 1: just a tube top on very Sarah Jessica, and then
Speaker 1: she has this big chunky. It's like a heart or
Speaker 1: a strawberry. I can't even what is that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know we got freed, you know, it
Speaker 2: was still about where can we get stuff? We don't
Speaker 2: have any money? And Kenny J. Lane children was very generous.
Speaker 1: Oh there's so nice.
Speaker 2: Pat loved trinkets like that. She loved the horseshoes, she
Speaker 2: loved an apple, she loved a heart. She loved like that.
Speaker 2: To me is so eye catching in a a in
Speaker 2: a childish kind of way, like that's a chunky thing.
Speaker 1: But it's fun. I mean, I think it's really fun,
Speaker 1: you know. And I also think on television they usually
Speaker 1: try to get you to have very tiny, unnoticeable right, yeah, exactly, yeah,
Speaker 1: And I think that's why it was so different, right,
Speaker 1: And I mean we're different in many ways, as we know,
Speaker 1: but I think that was one of the big differences.
Speaker 1: And I think for me sometimes it took a little
Speaker 1: getting used to because I was like that thing's so
Speaker 1: big or whatever, you know. But but I mean that's
Speaker 1: the you know, the joy of it.
Speaker 2: Very Yeah, I'm very cautious about stuff like that. I
Speaker 2: get timid to you know, I don't want if it's
Speaker 2: a beautiful long earring and it's gonna swing through the
Speaker 2: whole bar scene. I'm like, oh, yeah.
Speaker 1: It's true. But I feel like something came over us
Speaker 1: in season three. And I mean not so much me
Speaker 1: because I am still playing Charlotte, but I think we
Speaker 1: were just like, yeah, I think the newness of it
Speaker 1: all and people sending us things, we were just like, yes,
Speaker 1: we're excited, and it reminds me of this beautiful gold butterfly.
Speaker 2: That's exactly what I was going to bring up. Also,
Speaker 2: Kenny J.
Speaker 1: Lane, amazing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so. It just made that dress.
Speaker 1: Didn't it. And she wears this on the cover of
Speaker 1: Time magazine and our photo shoot, doesn't she.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I believe you're right.
Speaker 1: I think she does this hanging in my closet. I
Speaker 1: should have checked before I came wow, because I love that.
Speaker 1: It's my only picture I have hanging on us. Because
Speaker 1: I think it's so funny that it says, who needs
Speaker 1: a husband?
Speaker 2: Interesting? I wonder if I have that magazine. I have
Speaker 2: so so many You do I have boxes?
Speaker 1: Where are they.
Speaker 2: In the attic of the condo? Oh?
Speaker 1: We should look that would be so much fun.
Speaker 2: So many next episode said yeah, you're welcome to Paul through.
Speaker 2: Oh that would be fun craziest, big huge articles on
Speaker 2: all of you guys.
Speaker 1: And about this right and what body shape do you have?
Speaker 2: Are you heuraging?
Speaker 1: Chilette still makes me so mad? Okay, so mad? Are
Speaker 1: you thin? Like Sir Jessica, I was like, you guys,
Speaker 1: come on, I have a scene recently though a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff on Instagram about how rough the two thousands
Speaker 1: were for women, you know, in terms of body expectations
Speaker 1: and shaming, like it was so intense.
Speaker 2: It was intense. It was intense. Any kind of bathing
Speaker 2: suit scene would would unravel anybody, anybody, Okay, Oh and
Speaker 2: when do you hear?
Speaker 1: I agree?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: I know. I mean the funny thing, Sir Jessica has
Speaker 1: her wonderful style, but like when she wears those board
Speaker 1: shorts in the second season, Oh, I love it so
Speaker 1: much because it's so her. Right, But if Sarah Jessica
Speaker 1: Parker can feel self conscious, yes, anyone anyone can hope
Speaker 1: for There is no hope. There's no hope for any
Speaker 1: of us. But we were in such a pressure cooker,
Speaker 1: you know, it was really intense, and I remember, I
Speaker 1: don't know if I've told this story on the pott.
Speaker 1: I don't think I have. When we were doing the
Speaker 1: first season, when people were really confused about what the
Speaker 1: show was, right, like, they didn't know where we like
Speaker 1: real sex on HBO, you know, in the middle of
Speaker 1: the night, know what the heck? They were, right, But
Speaker 1: people the paparazzi, at least the fashion people in the
Speaker 1: paparazzi knew Kandas Bush now, so they knew of the article,
Speaker 1: the column, you know, the book. And I was at
Speaker 1: this event one time. I was just wearing my regular clothes.
Speaker 1: I think I was with my publicist and we had
Speaker 1: to go buy and check on another client who was
Speaker 1: at an event. So we kind of swung by after
Speaker 1: going somewhere and I'm just in the back trying not
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not really there, right, and the populazzi
Speaker 1: you're there and they're chatting with me and they're saying,
Speaker 1: what are you doing? And I was like, oh, we're
Speaker 1: working on this new show, Sex and City for HBO.
Speaker 1: And they say, oh, Sex and City like Candace and
Speaker 1: I say, oh, yeah, yeah, it's based on Kandas's column.
Speaker 1: And this woman paparazzi says to me, well, you don't
Speaker 1: play Candace because you're not thin enough. I mean she
Speaker 1: might have actually said you're too heavy. I can't remember
Speaker 1: what she said. It was so mean, and I was like, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not playing care and I'm like trying to be polite,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, where's my publicist? I'm going to die?
Speaker 1: And then I would see her on Red Class so
Speaker 1: upset and I was like, why are you like this?
Speaker 2: You're a woman, are you a woman hater?
Speaker 1: Right? And you're a paparazzi and you're a woman paparazzi.
Speaker 2: Like come on together.
Speaker 1: But they'd just be so like openly to your face.
Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean? You're like, well, you're
Speaker 1: too heavy, you're not thin enough, you can't possibly play her.
Speaker 1: And I was just like, oh lord, and my other thing.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I've told this story on the
Speaker 1: podcast either, but it reminds me of it. So this
Speaker 1: is when like weeklies were coming out, like us weekly people,
Speaker 1: what there's more that have gone away, like Life and
Speaker 1: Style or whatever. There are so many Yeah, and every
Speaker 1: week my mother would be like oh blah blah blah,
Speaker 1: saying blah blah blah, and I would just be like, mom,
Speaker 1: I don't want to know. I don't want to know,
Speaker 1: because obviously they were just all about, you know, critiquing
Speaker 1: everything and or stirring up comparisons. Yes, So one time
Speaker 1: I'd had something happen that I wasn't happy about, and
Speaker 1: so I was walking home, as we all do in
Speaker 1: New York when you got to walk something off, right,
Speaker 1: So I'm walking something off and I stop at a
Speaker 1: at a bodega to get some Eminem's. And I go
Speaker 1: up to the counter to get the Eminem's and this
Speaker 1: girl behind the counter says, oh, I can't sell you these,
Speaker 1: And I'm like, what do you mean? She goes, yeah,
Speaker 1: you shouldn't be eating these.
Speaker 2: Stop. I gonna get away with any Please give me
Speaker 2: have this woman. I mean, I cannot believe that story.
Speaker 1: I know this is what it was like. Wow, like
Speaker 1: people were invested in your thigh circumference. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying.
Speaker 2: That is mind blowing.
Speaker 1: It was scary, and I remember just like crying the
Speaker 1: rest of my walk, like wow, why didn't I just say, like,
Speaker 1: guys me, I'm trying to buy something in your store,
Speaker 1: And why didn't I just go to the next boat.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but it's like it hurts so much.
Speaker 2: It threw you for a loop.
Speaker 1: Threw me for a loop, which is how I felt
Speaker 1: a lot of the time back then. I have to say, honestly,
Speaker 1: if I'm just being honest, all right, we are gonna
Speaker 1: cut this into two episodes because Molly has a lot
Speaker 1: to say and we love to hear it. So please
Speaker 1: join us later in the week on Are You a
Speaker 1: Charlotte to continue talking about season three with the incredible
Speaker 1: Molly Rogers.