WEBVTT - Do the Clothes make the Man? 0:00:01.600 --> 0:00:04.880 Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are 0:00:04.880 --> 0:00:12.560 you a Charlotte? Hello, everybody, welcome to Are You a Charlotte? 0:00:12.560 --> 0:00:15.560 Today we have one of my all time favorite people 0:00:15.680 --> 0:00:19.920 on the planet earth. Mollie Rodgers are incredible costume designer 0:00:20.360 --> 0:00:23.560 who work with Pat Field from the pretty much very 0:00:23.600 --> 0:00:26.520 beginning of the show and then also designed and just 0:00:26.600 --> 0:00:30.400 like that, and she is going to recap all the 0:00:30.440 --> 0:00:34.720 outfits of season three when we really just jumped up 0:00:34.760 --> 0:00:37.000 a whole level in terms of the fashion of the show. 0:00:37.120 --> 0:00:41.479 So please enjoy. It's a fun time you guys. Mollie 0:00:41.560 --> 0:00:48.000 Rodgers is with us, coming to us from the Bahamas. Oh, 0:00:48.360 --> 0:00:49.400 we are jealous. 0:00:50.200 --> 0:00:52.960 Thank you so much for having me again. It's so 0:00:53.200 --> 0:00:54.200 fun to talk to you. 0:00:54.520 --> 0:00:56.880 I know, it's amazing to have you back. Thank you 0:00:56.960 --> 0:01:01.480 for joining me from your vacation. Apparently a vacating I mean, what's. 0:01:01.320 --> 0:01:04.480 Happening, I don't know. I just by the way, I 0:01:04.520 --> 0:01:06.960 just want to say it's horrible here because I don't 0:01:06.959 --> 0:01:10.240 want anybody coming. Well. 0:01:10.319 --> 0:01:13.520 I saw the picture from on Instagram of the traffic, 0:01:13.720 --> 0:01:17.400 which is of course a sandy sandy path. I was 0:01:18.080 --> 0:01:20.160 just immediately filled with Josey. 0:01:19.959 --> 0:01:25.240 I am not going to say anything about this. Paradise 0:01:25.840 --> 0:01:26.680 is stantatic. 0:01:26.920 --> 0:01:28.080 You're in a secret location. 0:01:29.080 --> 0:01:32.240 I have done my homework. Oh good, looked at how 0:01:32.400 --> 0:01:34.800 jam packed that season was. 0:01:35.080 --> 0:01:37.720 I mean season three. We had to have you back 0:01:37.760 --> 0:01:41.240 on to revisit season three because it is incredible. 0:01:41.720 --> 0:01:44.560 There is so much in there. And can I just say, 0:01:44.880 --> 0:01:48.680 and I don't know if this was your experience. Season 0:01:48.800 --> 0:01:53.360 three was when we started going into stores and people 0:01:53.400 --> 0:01:58.560 were like, oh, yeah, I know that ship decly really 0:01:58.840 --> 0:02:02.480 starting to uh borrow, And yeah. 0:02:02.280 --> 0:02:05.400 Yes, I do absolutely remember that. And I feel like, 0:02:06.040 --> 0:02:09.200 you know, Sarah Jessica. This is when I think, to me, 0:02:09.639 --> 0:02:12.760 things clicked in my mind that Sarah Jessica had had 0:02:12.800 --> 0:02:16.160 these previous relationships with designers, right and had known them 0:02:16.160 --> 0:02:19.120 and gone to events with them, and she understood, you know, 0:02:19.400 --> 0:02:22.440 kind of the personal side of it in terms of 0:02:23.080 --> 0:02:26.639 how to go about that relationship and being respectful of course, 0:02:26.680 --> 0:02:29.280 and returning everything when you were supposed to and all 0:02:29.360 --> 0:02:32.960 of that. And that was when I started trying to find, 0:02:33.160 --> 0:02:35.720 you know, who I liked number one, who fit me 0:02:36.040 --> 0:02:39.720 number two and then trying to kind of develop those relationships, 0:02:39.720 --> 0:02:41.480 whether it be through going to a fashion week to 0:02:41.520 --> 0:02:44.120 their show or you know, getting to know, like the 0:02:44.240 --> 0:02:48.160 personal shopper at Prada was our close friend for a 0:02:48.280 --> 0:02:48.919 long time. 0:02:49.200 --> 0:02:50.760 Oh that's right, Remember. 0:02:50.480 --> 0:02:52.359 How she was fantasic? 0:02:52.360 --> 0:02:55.160 I remember, yes, she was great. And I remember Kevin 0:02:55.240 --> 0:02:56.080 to Who's There? 0:02:56.680 --> 0:02:58.359 Yeah, amazing, amazing. 0:02:58.400 --> 0:03:02.520 Well you educated yourself so so quickly because that was 0:03:02.639 --> 0:03:06.880 kind of unexplored territory in a weird way for television. 0:03:07.040 --> 0:03:11.160 Oh very much so. I mean obviously we were in television. 0:03:11.240 --> 0:03:12.040 We were HBO. 0:03:13.440 --> 0:03:18.400 Yeah, yeah, true, but I remember people we go to 0:03:18.760 --> 0:03:23.600 ask for something and people were like sex in the City, 0:03:23.760 --> 0:03:27.040 is that some show about more goat Like they didn't. 0:03:27.120 --> 0:03:30.200 They wanted to see it first before they played with. 0:03:30.120 --> 0:03:32.280 Us, Oh for sure, for sure. And I feel like 0:03:32.320 --> 0:03:35.000 it was also the year, this is the year that 0:03:35.040 --> 0:03:40.000 we got nominated for the Emmy, which was like for me, uh, 0:03:40.040 --> 0:03:44.200 I remember everything about that so vividly, and the shock, 0:03:44.720 --> 0:03:47.320 like the shocks, you remember how shocked we were, and 0:03:47.360 --> 0:03:50.000 the fact that we then win it eventually like the 0:03:50.040 --> 0:03:53.840 next year also just still insane to think about because 0:03:54.240 --> 0:03:58.360 no HBO comedy had ever been nominated, much less one, 0:03:58.800 --> 0:04:01.600 you know, and we always thought that the Sopranos would 0:04:01.640 --> 0:04:04.360 be the ones, and of course they also were, but 0:04:04.400 --> 0:04:07.160 it was so wonderful that we were thought of in that. 0:04:07.080 --> 0:04:12.400 Way exactly, so heavy hitters, yeah in it. Yeah, I 0:04:12.520 --> 0:04:17.200 just have to say, yeah, your hair, thank you, and 0:04:17.240 --> 0:04:20.919 your skin oh always lawless, So thank you. 0:04:20.960 --> 0:04:24.680 Baby. This is neglected hair that is very very long. Okay, 0:04:24.720 --> 0:04:28.080 it's very very long and slightly dead on the ends 0:04:28.160 --> 0:04:31.440 from work, so it needs some love. But you're looking 0:04:31.520 --> 0:04:33.640 fantastic there on your bake cake. 0:04:34.600 --> 0:04:38.560 Uh well, let's just say, oh, this paradise is not 0:04:38.720 --> 0:04:42.400 telling you my GPS location at all. Never come here. 0:04:42.440 --> 0:04:43.000 It's horrible. 0:04:43.120 --> 0:04:45.000 I will not well not, but I'm happy that you're 0:04:45.000 --> 0:04:47.040 getting some rest because we couldn't have you on for 0:04:47.080 --> 0:04:49.760 a while because you were working. You have been busy, busy, busy, 0:04:49.760 --> 0:04:50.719 busy lady. 0:04:51.279 --> 0:04:54.440 I have. And it was, as you can imagine, an 0:04:54.440 --> 0:04:59.520 incredible experience that you gals trained me. 0:04:59.600 --> 0:05:03.440 Really, I'm just going to tell everybody. So Mollie was 0:05:03.480 --> 0:05:05.479 doing the Devil Wars part of two. She was on 0:05:05.520 --> 0:05:07.760 the Devil Wars part of one with Pat and you 0:05:07.800 --> 0:05:10.279 know Molly and Pat have been with us since the 0:05:10.400 --> 0:05:12.400 very very beginning. Well, Molly was not on the pilot. 0:05:12.440 --> 0:05:15.000 She was on episode one, so you know episode two, 0:05:15.080 --> 0:05:17.760 I guess right, but that's pretty much the very beginning 0:05:17.880 --> 0:05:23.159 nineteen ninety eight. And we love her desperately, people desperately, 0:05:23.720 --> 0:05:26.360 and as Sarah, Jessica and I have many, many, many 0:05:26.400 --> 0:05:30.520 times discussed the level of detail that you bring to 0:05:30.680 --> 0:05:34.200 everything you do is beyond like we have neither of 0:05:34.240 --> 0:05:37.119 us have ever worked with anyone that brings the level 0:05:37.240 --> 0:05:41.120 of detail of each button. Molly has an obsession with buttons. 0:05:41.160 --> 0:05:50.560 You guys, you do buttons and tassels and trim okay, yeah, trim, prograin, ribbons, castles, buttons. 0:05:51.000 --> 0:05:54.080 She has like a column in the you know, in 0:05:54.120 --> 0:05:55.800 the fitting rooms. I think you guys have seen the 0:05:55.839 --> 0:05:59.320 pictures on Instagram. I'll repost when we air this. She 0:05:59.360 --> 0:06:01.440 has like a car. All of them were like buttons, 0:06:01.480 --> 0:06:04.880 like sheets of buttons that she got in like midtown, 0:06:05.200 --> 0:06:08.240 you know, like there's ribbon store in midtown. Mollie will 0:06:08.279 --> 0:06:11.279 go and she will find all these ribbons and bring 0:06:11.279 --> 0:06:14.120 the ribbons back and make ear rings out of them 0:06:14.160 --> 0:06:18.719 for you, okay, like earrings. No is it is crafty 0:06:18.960 --> 0:06:22.400 because it's like old school, you know, like you also 0:06:22.440 --> 0:06:25.200 will take a dress completely apart and re put it 0:06:25.240 --> 0:06:28.920 together obviously with our wonderful tailor Adrian or you know, totally. 0:06:30.680 --> 0:06:34.400 I'm sure those ribbon stores and Buttons stores were probably 0:06:34.440 --> 0:06:38.760 not there anymore. They are losing the garment center as 0:06:38.800 --> 0:06:46.400 we speak. And I learned detail is for winners from 0:06:46.760 --> 0:06:51.560 those control freaks Pat s j Can I guess you. 0:06:51.839 --> 0:06:54.040 Oh no, you taught me, babe. 0:06:54.440 --> 0:06:59.839 You attention to everything, and as we know these days, 0:07:00.960 --> 0:07:03.400 that is so true what people pay attention to. 0:07:03.800 --> 0:07:06.719 Oh my gosh, I mean, yeah, you were you were Minutia, 0:07:06.880 --> 0:07:07.560 the Minutia. 0:07:07.800 --> 0:07:10.160 Yeah, absolutely, it's not pleasant. 0:07:10.280 --> 0:07:14.160 No, the Minutia is a little bit much. And as 0:07:14.200 --> 0:07:16.400 we talked about it with a different a different person 0:07:16.400 --> 0:07:19.600 who was on a couple of weeks ago, the bizarre paparazzi, 0:07:19.920 --> 0:07:22.960 you know, like continual paparazzi all day long, which you 0:07:23.000 --> 0:07:25.960 guys also got on Prada, is I think in some 0:07:25.960 --> 0:07:30.440 ways detrimental because you're seeing these outfits out of context. 0:07:30.480 --> 0:07:32.720 Like I remember when we came back with them just 0:07:32.760 --> 0:07:35.480 like that. We we knew that we had killed big, 0:07:35.520 --> 0:07:37.520 but not everybody knew, thank goodness. We had to keep 0:07:37.520 --> 0:07:40.600 it top secret. So people were just so confused why 0:07:40.640 --> 0:07:44.080 Carrie was dressing like that, and it was so frustrating 0:07:44.160 --> 0:07:46.760 because they don't know the plot or the story. Thank 0:07:46.800 --> 0:07:49.680 goodness they don't, right, But you're seeing just you're being 0:07:49.720 --> 0:07:53.640 inundated all day long with the paparazzi pictures on your Instagram, 0:07:54.080 --> 0:07:57.480 and you're thinking, why is she wearing that? You know, 0:07:57.800 --> 0:07:59.640 and it makes no sense, whereas if you knew the 0:07:59.640 --> 0:08:01.840 plot it might make sense. But I feel like you've 0:08:01.880 --> 0:08:06.640 already gone through this gauntlet of judgment from the preparazzi pictures, 0:08:06.680 --> 0:08:09.680 which is really unfair because the costumes are supposed to 0:08:09.680 --> 0:08:12.440 tell a story. They're not just supposed to be great 0:08:12.480 --> 0:08:14.880 standalone outfits necessarily. 0:08:14.840 --> 0:08:20.480 Right, they're not commercials like I in the conjecture, which 0:08:20.520 --> 0:08:23.520 is what you're talking about too, that goes on and on, 0:08:23.720 --> 0:08:27.800 why would she wear that? I just experienced the little 0:08:27.960 --> 0:08:32.160 taste of what may be coming at me. There was 0:08:32.320 --> 0:08:34.560 a teaser relation, Honey. I don't know. 0:08:38.080 --> 0:08:40.720 I follow everything because I love you so much and 0:08:40.840 --> 0:08:44.240 so I'm always and I'm not. I don't even obviously 0:08:44.280 --> 0:08:46.959 he texts you if it's stressy, because I'm like, I 0:08:47.000 --> 0:08:50.959 know she's stressing, needs your warnings? Oh maybe I should 0:08:50.960 --> 0:08:53.960 warn you? I mean, look, I also feel, I mean, 0:08:54.240 --> 0:08:57.080 what I like about if I have to try to 0:08:57.080 --> 0:09:00.760 find the silver lining of the critique that's happening continually 0:09:01.280 --> 0:09:05.440 is that when they first see something, right, when when Instagram, TikTok, 0:09:05.480 --> 0:09:09.560 whatever first experiences something, they'll there they say their gut reaction, 0:09:09.880 --> 0:09:14.360 like why would Miranda Presley be wearing you know what, 0:09:14.440 --> 0:09:16.760 you call them studs? What do they call which? What? 0:09:16.840 --> 0:09:19.160 Valentine Valentino rock stud thank you so much? 0:09:20.120 --> 0:09:20.760 Why? Why? 0:09:20.800 --> 0:09:23.000 Why? And then they were like, there's this shoe. There's 0:09:23.080 --> 0:09:25.679 this shoe. There's this shoe, And I mean it is 0:09:25.880 --> 0:09:29.440 a kind of a tyranny in a way, Like I 0:09:29.480 --> 0:09:32.040 was invited to something recently and I really just was 0:09:32.120 --> 0:09:36.319 like frozen. I thought like, I don't know if everyone 0:09:36.400 --> 0:09:38.200 is going to be wearing coup tour gowns from the 0:09:38.240 --> 0:09:42.760 runway or like a black dress to look decent and whatever. 0:09:43.240 --> 0:09:45.680 But like all the people and I love them all, 0:09:45.760 --> 0:09:47.960 I love Nikki Bell, I'm all for them, and I 0:09:48.000 --> 0:09:50.720 love their point of view, but like it's scary, right, 0:09:51.320 --> 0:09:53.200 am I going to be picked apart if I don't 0:09:53.240 --> 0:09:55.760 want a couptur gown from the runway? I don't know. 0:09:55.880 --> 0:09:59.080 It's so scary, So I didn't go. I know, I'm 0:09:59.080 --> 0:10:00.240 just trying to live my life, I know, and I 0:10:00.280 --> 0:10:01.959 wanted to support. It was for Clooney, and I wanted 0:10:01.960 --> 0:10:04.040 to sport, but I didn't go because I don't have 0:10:04.080 --> 0:10:05.840 an outfit that they're not going to kill me for. 0:10:06.120 --> 0:10:08.679 So I didn't go. But it's the same with these teasers. Right, 0:10:08.720 --> 0:10:11.359 you put out a teaser. I thought it was fantastic, 0:10:11.640 --> 0:10:13.760 and then first they're like, she would never wear a 0:10:13.840 --> 0:10:16.920 rock stud that was nineteen whatever, blah blah blah. I 0:10:16.960 --> 0:10:18.000 don't know what year was too. 0:10:18.040 --> 0:10:19.880 That was what is the message here? 0:10:20.080 --> 0:10:22.000 Yeah, right, what is the message? But what I loved 0:10:22.120 --> 0:10:24.800 is that it did come around like first they were 0:10:24.840 --> 0:10:28.240 like no, no, no, that's terrible, no whatever. Then and 0:10:28.280 --> 0:10:30.000 they were like this is a better choice. This is 0:10:30.000 --> 0:10:32.280 a better choice, which always cracks me up. Also, right, 0:10:32.800 --> 0:10:35.520 and also, you're working with actors who have an opinion. 0:10:35.600 --> 0:10:37.880 And I'm not saying Merrill chose that shoe. I don't 0:10:37.880 --> 0:10:39.320 know who chose that shoe. And you don't have to 0:10:39.320 --> 0:10:42.440 tell us, but I want to, Okay, great, tell us, 0:10:42.840 --> 0:10:43.920 tell us. 0:10:43.840 --> 0:10:47.439 We chose the shoe. Sometimes well, I wasn't in the room, 0:10:47.600 --> 0:10:50.880 of course, but oh no. Sometimes you're in a room 0:10:50.960 --> 0:10:59.560 with people like marketing people who think they know better 0:10:59.600 --> 0:11:07.440 than you, and that shoe if you want a bang 0:11:07.520 --> 0:11:10.880 in a punch for a commercial, yeah, that's an attend 0:11:10.960 --> 0:11:16.600 you know, that's like a bold statement. Was it character related? No? 0:11:17.000 --> 0:11:23.360 Got it? So it was insisted on, and both shoes 0:11:23.760 --> 0:11:27.640 mine and theirs was shot. And then when I saw 0:11:28.440 --> 0:11:35.920 the teaser, I was, oh, Molly, yeah. 0:11:35.400 --> 0:11:38.800 That's so upsetting. You guys, this is really important because 0:11:38.840 --> 0:11:41.680 everyone wants to blame the costume designer and it's so 0:11:42.160 --> 0:11:44.839 not fair because there's so many players. 0:11:45.200 --> 0:11:49.760 The director that has a very good, you know, very. 0:11:49.880 --> 0:11:51.920 Frank Old David frank Old director, and he has a 0:11:51.920 --> 0:11:54.800 good opinion and is respectful, I believe, you know, to Molly, 0:11:54.920 --> 0:11:58.160 which is wonderful. And then the actor sometimes has opinions. 0:11:58.240 --> 0:12:01.720 You know, certainly they have a onion or something. 0:12:02.080 --> 0:12:05.320 Sure they might have They might have some some like 0:12:05.679 --> 0:12:10.760 real actual walking issues, like a serious issue. That's true, 0:12:10.800 --> 0:12:13.400 Like there are some people that they cannot wear the 0:12:13.440 --> 0:12:16.600 super high heels, and then there's some people they might 0:12:16.640 --> 0:12:18.199 be really really good at it. I'm not going to 0:12:18.280 --> 0:12:20.679 name names right now, but then they hurt their foot 0:12:20.800 --> 0:12:24.080 in a certain shoe and that kind of hobbles them, 0:12:24.200 --> 0:12:27.439 and then you are just like trying like one time, 0:12:28.000 --> 0:12:30.360 I know, for for you know, for myself, I was 0:12:30.360 --> 0:12:32.200 trying to wear those super high heels. I was like, 0:12:32.240 --> 0:12:35.000 I can still do it. No, no, no, no no. And then 0:12:35.040 --> 0:12:37.640 we were doing the dress for when I fall on 0:12:37.679 --> 0:12:41.839 the mattress in the gallery right, And for some reason 0:12:41.880 --> 0:12:45.719 I chose those lunatic level lubitons, the Zendayawares. I think 0:12:45.800 --> 0:12:47.360 we just thought they looked good with the dress in 0:12:47.400 --> 0:12:49.600 the room. I forgot everything that I have to do 0:12:50.120 --> 0:12:53.640 in those shoes. And then after that I was in 0:12:53.679 --> 0:12:55.960 some pain and there was a coffee No it's not 0:12:56.000 --> 0:12:59.319 coffee shop, the Mario's place, you know, the bread the 0:12:59.360 --> 0:13:00.160 bread place. 0:13:00.120 --> 0:13:01.680 Hot fellas, Hot fellas. 0:13:01.720 --> 0:13:04.600 Good job, Mollie, yes, hot Fellaws. I'm in Hot Fellows. 0:13:04.600 --> 0:13:07.000 I have to get up at one table and walk 0:13:07.080 --> 0:13:11.600 to the other table, and my feed hurts so badly 0:13:12.160 --> 0:13:15.360 that I kind of teetered totter across the room in 0:13:15.440 --> 0:13:19.400 like the saddest way. Oh, because it was like the 0:13:19.400 --> 0:13:21.640 week after or whatever, you know what I'm saying, So 0:13:21.720 --> 0:13:24.480 like I had I had done myself in in the gallery. 0:13:24.559 --> 0:13:26.720 And then I was still wearing those really high shoes 0:13:26.720 --> 0:13:28.400 because I think we had them in like every color, 0:13:28.600 --> 0:13:31.839 you know, and I had thought to myself paying for it, right, 0:13:31.880 --> 0:13:33.760 and I was like, we're just sitting in the restaurant, right, 0:13:33.840 --> 0:13:35.400 it'll be fine. But I forgot I had to go 0:13:35.440 --> 0:13:36.520 talk to the other moms. 0:13:37.360 --> 0:13:42.240 Oh my gosh. But I have to say that I 0:13:42.280 --> 0:13:46.720 think was because of the physicality in the gallery, because 0:13:46.800 --> 0:13:51.920 you are pretty pretty, you know, stealth and good and 0:13:52.040 --> 0:13:54.360 really tall ones like thankruly. 0:13:54.400 --> 0:13:56.200 I'm usually pretty good. It was it was that I 0:13:56.240 --> 0:13:59.040 had to run in them and then fall and we 0:13:59.080 --> 0:14:01.160 had my son double but she never did it because 0:14:01.200 --> 0:14:03.600 that's how it always happens, right, So I did it 0:14:03.679 --> 0:14:08.080 like forty times, maybe, you know, kind of cuckoo level. 0:14:08.160 --> 0:14:10.040 And I think it was pretty late at night, you know, 0:14:10.080 --> 0:14:23.560 which is our way up. Okay, there were choices of shoes, 0:14:23.640 --> 0:14:26.200 is what you're saying. There were choices, So your choice 0:14:26.280 --> 0:14:28.520 is not what ended up. And this is a real 0:14:28.720 --> 0:14:31.120 this is important to have on the record, Molly. That 0:14:31.240 --> 0:14:34.240 was not your choice. And so there were marketing people involved, 0:14:34.600 --> 0:14:36.800 and what you're saying to me is that they felt 0:14:36.800 --> 0:14:40.640 that that was kind of an identifiable, bold choice. 0:14:41.120 --> 0:14:46.000 I think that through their untrained eye and not just 0:14:46.040 --> 0:14:50.400 seeing like a gold gramt, they thought that has a 0:14:50.440 --> 0:14:54.440 lot of punch. Interesting, that get a lot for our money. 0:14:54.800 --> 0:14:59.920 They now think that these things are translated into characters. 0:15:00.160 --> 0:15:01.560 She would never. 0:15:01.920 --> 0:15:05.960 No probably not no, no, no, Wow. 0:15:05.800 --> 0:15:07.600 It's too flashy for her. 0:15:07.960 --> 0:15:11.280 It's flashy, and it's also like just slightly not current. 0:15:12.200 --> 0:15:15.520 Yeah, but it's like things happen as you know. 0:15:15.880 --> 0:15:18.440 Yeah, this is important to be on the record about, 0:15:18.480 --> 0:15:21.880 I think because sometimes people want to just take you 0:15:21.960 --> 0:15:24.520 to task, and I feel like it's very unfair. It's 0:15:24.640 --> 0:15:28.160 very unfair. And there's some times in this episode, I 0:15:28.200 --> 0:15:30.640 mean this season. I guess we're really get the whole season, 0:15:30.760 --> 0:15:33.600 season three, which is like the year two thousand, right, 0:15:33.680 --> 0:15:35.400 which is kind of a long time ago. But it's 0:15:35.400 --> 0:15:42.720 also so amazing how incredibly current things really look, absolutely, 0:15:43.120 --> 0:15:46.560 which is bizarre to me. Is it because the nineties 0:15:46.680 --> 0:15:48.800 or whatever they want to consider it is the nineties 0:15:49.040 --> 0:15:50.680 is kind of back? Or like, is it just that 0:15:50.680 --> 0:15:52.360 they're timelessly good outfits? 0:15:52.840 --> 0:15:55.880 I don't know. I mean, I'm looking at all your 0:15:55.960 --> 0:15:59.640 references from this jam Pack season. Yeah, it's a lot 0:15:59.760 --> 0:16:02.400 nice things that are very you know, like a lot 0:16:02.400 --> 0:16:04.360 of Cavali on care right. 0:16:04.440 --> 0:16:07.480 No, I know, listen, I brought I brought my Cavali. 0:16:08.480 --> 0:16:10.320 I need to show this to you guys. I'm gonna 0:16:10.320 --> 0:16:12.520 put it on the Instagram because I brought this because 0:16:12.560 --> 0:16:14.400 I was gonna wear it, okay, and it looks really 0:16:14.400 --> 0:16:15.920 big how I'm holding it up right now. I was 0:16:15.960 --> 0:16:17.680 gonna wear it. But when I put it, it's like 0:16:17.720 --> 0:16:20.600 a little handkerchief. I was like, I can't wear this. 0:16:20.880 --> 0:16:23.000 I was gonna wear this in honor of our podcast, 0:16:23.200 --> 0:16:25.200 because I keep this in a little jeor at home. 0:16:25.480 --> 0:16:28.760 But this is a Kvali. It's like so of the time, right, 0:16:28.880 --> 0:16:29.240 it's so. 0:16:29.320 --> 0:16:35.800 Cute's dilutely the fabric and the christ the glitter. It's 0:16:35.840 --> 0:16:37.680 like thee I. 0:16:37.640 --> 0:16:42.680 Wore this on the rooftop. Remember the baking hot Yeah, 0:16:42.760 --> 0:16:45.840 the cookout, the cookout, Yes, the end of the season 0:16:46.040 --> 0:16:48.920 with that iconic picture, if I do say so myself 0:16:49.200 --> 0:16:53.120 of us laughing when our feet had sunken into the tar, 0:16:53.360 --> 0:16:55.680 because that was the level of heat we were dealing 0:16:55.720 --> 0:16:56.240 with that day. 0:16:56.520 --> 0:16:58.800 Oh my gosh. Those are the things you remember. 0:16:59.080 --> 0:17:02.200 Yeah, And also that the elevators broke and so we 0:17:02.200 --> 0:17:05.120 were walking up and down the stairs of that very 0:17:05.160 --> 0:17:08.240 tall building. Yes, yes, the day is. 0:17:08.119 --> 0:17:11.080 A really great photo, though, I have to say it 0:17:11.119 --> 0:17:15.760 has so much of the energy of the dynamic four. 0:17:16.119 --> 0:17:18.439 I agree, I agree, it's that's why it's one of 0:17:18.440 --> 0:17:20.280 my favorite all time photos. For sure. 0:17:20.400 --> 0:17:26.120 Everybody looks nuts like Kim Kim Kim in a two 0:17:26.160 --> 0:17:29.680 piece Gingham outfit. She looks like, you know, it's fantastic, 0:17:29.800 --> 0:17:33.880 Mally and from Gulligan. Yes, yes, what it was? Yes? 0:17:34.119 --> 0:17:37.520 How far can we push this? They're having a cookout 0:17:38.040 --> 0:17:41.919 Gingham two pieces, Yes, glitter Cavali. 0:17:41.600 --> 0:17:43.960 Glitter Cavali. And I think I was wearing like a 0:17:44.000 --> 0:17:46.439 short skirt and I never get up because I'm and 0:17:46.480 --> 0:17:48.399 I'm like kind of tugging at the skirt like you 0:17:48.520 --> 0:17:51.919 just know. Pat was like, wear it. You know. 0:17:52.760 --> 0:17:55.560 I love when you imitate her cause you sound like her. You. 0:17:55.920 --> 0:17:58.159 I don't think I do it justice at all, not 0:17:58.280 --> 0:17:58.560 at all. 0:17:58.640 --> 0:17:59.159 I tried. 0:18:00.320 --> 0:18:02.639 It's hard, it's hard. Okay, let's start a little bit 0:18:02.680 --> 0:18:05.199 at the beginning, if you will allow me. 0:18:06.000 --> 0:18:10.359 I have my phone. Oh fantastic you're talking of of course, 0:18:10.400 --> 0:18:12.640 of course I have a few stories as you do. 0:18:12.760 --> 0:18:14.879 Oh, I can't wait, I think you're gonna have stories 0:18:14.880 --> 0:18:17.000 that I don't even remember. Okay, this is the episode. 0:18:17.040 --> 0:18:20.640 It's called where There's Smoke and we go to Staten Island. Now, 0:18:20.760 --> 0:18:23.440 the thing that I remember whenever we would go back 0:18:23.440 --> 0:18:25.880 to work, because this is the first episode of the season, right, 0:18:25.920 --> 0:18:28.400 And obviously I was shooting two episodes at the same time, 0:18:28.480 --> 0:18:30.520 so I think the next one, the first one is 0:18:30.560 --> 0:18:33.680 where There's smoke, and the next one is politically incorrect 0:18:33.960 --> 0:18:37.840 with style, right, right, Yeah, thats right. So we would 0:18:37.880 --> 0:18:40.680 always film too at once, and I remember every year 0:18:40.720 --> 0:18:42.760 because it was February that we'd go back to work, 0:18:42.800 --> 0:18:46.080 but the show didn't come on till June, so we're freezing, 0:18:46.600 --> 0:18:51.800 like freezing. New York City in February is so getting cold, 0:18:51.880 --> 0:18:54.600 you guys. And I am a lightweight. I'm a Southerner, 0:18:54.760 --> 0:18:58.080 as is Molly. I like my hot humidity. It's like 0:18:58.160 --> 0:19:00.800 what I live for. So I'm all always freezing cold. 0:19:00.800 --> 0:19:03.439 And Pat always wanted us in furs, and I believe 0:19:03.480 --> 0:19:06.840 this was the year. I never wanted to wear the fur. 0:19:07.200 --> 0:19:10.360 I always begged, please, please don't make me wear the fur, 0:19:10.600 --> 0:19:13.800 and She's like, no, it's wonderful, fabulous, and I had 0:19:13.840 --> 0:19:17.199 to go to burg Dwarfs. I want to say to 0:19:17.280 --> 0:19:19.560 the fur department, do you remember this? 0:19:20.359 --> 0:19:24.560 Like it was either Burgdorf for sacks, and sacks was 0:19:24.640 --> 0:19:27.000 where they would loan them out. Got it, okay? 0:19:27.040 --> 0:19:29.960 And there was a cape memory, thank you. This was 0:19:30.000 --> 0:19:31.760 a trauma for me, all right. This was like up 0:19:31.840 --> 0:19:34.960 there on the trauma level. There was a chinchilla cape 0:19:35.119 --> 0:19:37.960 and she really loved it for Charlotte. Now look, I 0:19:38.000 --> 0:19:40.959 get it. Capes are fantastic, and it was kind of soft, 0:19:41.200 --> 0:19:43.440 but it had the little chinchilla and it just looks 0:19:43.480 --> 0:19:46.159 like little chinchillas. And I went home that night and 0:19:46.160 --> 0:19:50.760 I had nightmares that the chinchillas came alive and we're 0:19:50.800 --> 0:19:53.880 crawling all over me. And so then I was like, Pat, 0:19:54.640 --> 0:19:57.600 I can't sleep thinking about that chinchilla cape, Like, please 0:19:57.600 --> 0:19:59.479 don't make me wear it, Please don't make me wear it. 0:20:00.040 --> 0:20:02.000 So I would wear her down. I would like keep 0:20:02.040 --> 0:20:04.440 on begging and begging and begging, and end up in 0:20:04.520 --> 0:20:07.360 the shearling. That was like as far as I could 0:20:07.359 --> 0:20:09.840 get her down. And some of these pink shearlings that 0:20:09.880 --> 0:20:13.920 I wear are still on people's favorite Charlotte outfits ever. 0:20:14.600 --> 0:20:17.720 Wow, I know, Okay, that's what you wore on the. 0:20:17.640 --> 0:20:20.400 Ferry, exactly right, Yeah, yep. 0:20:20.440 --> 0:20:22.840 And I think I have a confused with the baseball game. 0:20:23.200 --> 0:20:25.280 Oh yeah, yeah, because I have a different one there. 0:20:25.359 --> 0:20:27.879 I think every year she would get me in a 0:20:28.000 --> 0:20:31.400 pink sharling, and then there's one coming up when Sir 0:20:31.480 --> 0:20:34.439 Jeska is pregnant and we're cold and I'm wearing a 0:20:34.800 --> 0:20:38.320 pink shearling that people put in like top ten Charlotte. 0:20:38.359 --> 0:20:40.399 You know, I'll post on the Instagram it's not in 0:20:40.440 --> 0:20:42.199 the season. But I mean, like, I think three or 0:20:42.200 --> 0:20:45.560 four seasons, she found somehow a pink shearling for me 0:20:45.640 --> 0:20:48.720 to wear, which you know was a good a good 0:20:48.840 --> 0:20:50.480 compromise for me at the time. 0:20:51.320 --> 0:20:55.679 I think off Pat's top ten disappointments, you rejecting the 0:20:55.760 --> 0:21:01.760 chinchilla cape is probably way up there, but it sounds 0:21:01.840 --> 0:21:02.200 like her. 0:21:02.440 --> 0:21:04.680 I know it was up there. But can I say 0:21:04.440 --> 0:21:07.040 that she's got Kim in some major furs. I mean, 0:21:07.080 --> 0:21:10.159 obviously we also have the vintage fur, which we should 0:21:10.400 --> 0:21:13.600 touch on a bit, Carrie's vintage fur, which we have now. 0:21:13.480 --> 0:21:18.080 May I speak, please do please do? Okay, Now I 0:21:18.119 --> 0:21:21.679 believe I am correct. At the time, I was so 0:21:21.960 --> 0:21:26.440 curious what is that I believe. I was told it 0:21:26.560 --> 0:21:29.560 is muskrated. Have you ever heard this? 0:21:29.920 --> 0:21:30.760 No, I have not. 0:21:31.680 --> 0:21:34.719 It's muskat that is what I believe, because that is 0:21:34.840 --> 0:21:37.280