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Speaker 1: you've been saying as of late, I mean I've been
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Speaker 1: honestly here to call out carry on her bullshit? Oh
Speaker 1: my god, other things. It's our amazing guest. Can we
Speaker 1: list the credit? The credit honey? Oh my god, I
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Speaker 1: So we are hearing those credits, I'm like, oh, I
Speaker 1: have done something. Yes, that's the thing. We got to
Speaker 1: make the guests feel good, and you know they didn't
Speaker 1: even know they made themselves feel work all I'm gonna workaholic?
Speaker 1: Is this? Is this the most like inane, boring thing
Speaker 1: at this point for people to just say at you,
Speaker 1: you work so much? No, because I always think I
Speaker 1: don't work enough. I'm always like, oh I'm not you know,
Speaker 1: people are making deals left and around, like I need
Speaker 1: to be doing more. So it's I need to just relax.
Speaker 1: That's what I need. So are you waking up early
Speaker 1: every morning? Well? Yes, so I try and get up
Speaker 1: around seven. I can go to the gym in the morning. Equinox.
Speaker 1: I joined Equinox. Gotta get that eucalyptus. Yes, okay, I
Speaker 1: never I used to roll my eyes at Equinox, but
Speaker 1: it is. It's very goop, but it's also great. It's
Speaker 1: so goop. There's a lot of things about that are great. Yeah. Sure,
Speaker 1: is this an l A Developments to New York? I started? Okay,
Speaker 1: So last year I have my book tour and I
Speaker 1: was shooting I Love Dick, and I was just like
Speaker 1: stress eating because it was like a lot of traveling
Speaker 1: and I was like not having sex. It's just like carbs,
Speaker 1: and it's like carbs aren't not penises, but emotionally a
Speaker 1: lot of people out there that are thinking cars penises.
Speaker 1: A girl, listen up, listen up. And so I was
Speaker 1: just like, I don't like that I'm eating all the
Speaker 1: time and just sitting and being stressed out and like
Speaker 1: everyone was just like, you should relax. Like a lot
Speaker 1: of people are like, you're very tense, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: but they were right. I am a very tense person.
Speaker 1: So I was like, let me join the gym. So
Speaker 1: I joined in New York. I have the destination, which
Speaker 1: means I can go to any of them and I
Speaker 1: love it. So when you're in the gym, what are
Speaker 1: you doing? You a runner? No, I do snatch and
Speaker 1: I do spin class. Okay, yeah, okay, y'all. I'm trying
Speaker 1: to get matt on soul cycle because I am I'm
Speaker 1: officially in that cult. I get it. Class is great.
Speaker 1: And now you know what I'm down for is I'm
Speaker 1: down for that emotional release that apparently comes after soul
Speaker 1: cycle and spin. But I am not down for the
Speaker 1: energy of This is your soul and it's about the
Speaker 1: energy of the energy that when you're in the moment
Speaker 1: and you're doing you're climbing up that hill. Okay, you're
Speaker 1: gonna want to hear that motivation because you're gonna want
Speaker 1: to bail. And they're like you, you like traveled on
Speaker 1: the train to get here, this is your life. Take control,
Speaker 1: and it's like, yeah, you guys, I have to shout out.
Speaker 1: I have to shout out this iconic, iconique soul cycle
Speaker 1: instructor in New York. So my friend Meet and I
Speaker 1: signed up for a Gog versus Beyonce class at the
Speaker 1: one in Nomad and it was gonna be with this instructor, Taylor,
Speaker 1: who is apparently very popular. We get an mail the
Speaker 1: morning of saying that he dropped out that we're getting
Speaker 1: a sub named Claire into where Claire comes in with
Speaker 1: this pixie cut, just this gorgeous specimen, and she gagged
Speaker 1: me and Metra for filth because exactly during the climb,
Speaker 1: when we felt like we were going to die, Claire
Speaker 1: just goes. And I told you this, I think, But
Speaker 1: she goes, and this is for everyone to hear except
Speaker 1: and taken. She goes. You know what, no one said
Speaker 1: this was going to be easy. But easy doesn't put
Speaker 1: a roof over your head. Easy doesn't put food on
Speaker 1: the table. Easy does not help you move forward with
Speaker 1: your life. So no, I know it's not easy, but
Speaker 1: who cares about easy? Now turn the dial up and
Speaker 1: it was the most glorious moment in the world. There's
Speaker 1: a global effect and the endorsed the endorphins forcing through
Speaker 1: your veins, like you feel like golden goddess. Like you
Speaker 1: have a couple of people here, a couple of male
Speaker 1: and you're here who do spin class And I really
Speaker 1: like this. Well back in the day, I was a
Speaker 1: big cross country runner. When I have the build for it,
Speaker 1: have physique of someone that used to run, whose metabolism
Speaker 1: is like, come on, come on, please use me. Well,
Speaker 1: the thing is like it's just getting a little like
Speaker 1: I know what it's like under the hood, and it's
Speaker 1: getting a little bit less tight, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Like now it's starting to like a little bit called
Speaker 1: super super so that's the way we say it. But
Speaker 1: but anyway, yes, I would love to get back get
Speaker 1: back into it. I would love to find something that
Speaker 1: really works, because lifting weights doesn't. Yeah, I'm Mike over it.
Speaker 1: I'm like, who cares. But it's like not good because
Speaker 1: like your muscles are like going to atrophy the older
Speaker 1: you get. But I'm like it's boring. Yeah, Also it
Speaker 1: is hard. I know for some people they just prefer
Speaker 1: to lift weights and they think that cardio is just
Speaker 1: the hard one. For me, the cardio is the easy one.
Speaker 1: It almost feels like I didn't like I'm cheating when
Speaker 1: I'm doing it just as easier. But I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm just on that precipice of pulling the trigger on
Speaker 1: the equinox because it's just it's worth it. It's life changing.
Speaker 1: You're going to start. I started shopping at Lulu women,
Speaker 1: I know, and you have to just get into. It's
Speaker 1: a whole culture. Seen. Everyone there is good looking. You're like,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm like in three months. That's why I'm
Speaker 1: like in six months, it's great. Honestly attainable. Though it
Speaker 1: is attainable. I mean there's some people who are like, WHOA,
Speaker 1: all right, but there's a reason why all this popular
Speaker 1: stuff is popular. Yeah, totally. And we just boke before
Speaker 1: we got on air about how Starbucks doesn't mess around guys.
Speaker 1: Phoebe brought us these cake pops and these are delicious.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Phoebe, thank you so much. Yeah, of course,
Speaker 1: the perspected the art of cake pops. Yeah, they're really good. Anyway.
Speaker 1: The only thing they don't nail in Starbucks is the
Speaker 1: kind of music that they sell. Yeah, it's like Cheryl Crowe,
Speaker 1: You're like, what, I love her to death, but like
Speaker 1: I'm not probased like the Kelly Clarkson Christmas album in there,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like Wrapped in Red is
Speaker 1: on the shelf. You are the target demo for exactly,
Speaker 1: but you do what they're doing. But you're saying that's
Speaker 1: not that's not the right move. Well, I mean it's
Speaker 1: not cool. Sure, you know what I like? Yeah, you
Speaker 1: know it doesn't have to be cool, Phoebe. We're going
Speaker 1: to ask you what we ask all of our guests,
Speaker 1: which is what is the culture? That means you say
Speaker 1: culture is for me? Yes, this is basically young Phoebe
Speaker 1: was like, wow, I'm experiencing this in the cultural lexicon,
Speaker 1: whether it's movies, television, music, whatever. Are also like something
Speaker 1: in your life, something that happened that really influenced you
Speaker 1: as a Phoebe? Oh my gosh, well so many things.
Speaker 1: I'm such a like pop culture head. I guess number one.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna list a few things. So Number one is
Speaker 1: my favorite band of all time? You two, I know
Speaker 1: it's well documented. There's a paper trail, I mean in
Speaker 1: the book, like you literally number by number talk about
Speaker 1: each member and how like fucking Adam Clayton dated Naomi
Speaker 1: Campbell and oh my god, did your research. I mean,
Speaker 1: but you went into it, so you too, Yeah, you too.
Speaker 1: They just are very never would honestly you too. I
Speaker 1: never got into them. That's fine them, Okay. I just
Speaker 1: I like how like big their their music is very
Speaker 1: like anthemic and it's very like hopeful, and I like
Speaker 1: their message and like I'm not a religious person, but
Speaker 1: they're religious, so their music is kind of like has
Speaker 1: spiritual elements to that I really identify with. And I
Speaker 1: don't know, I just think like sometimes when you're like
Speaker 1: twelve or thirteen, like if something just hits you at
Speaker 1: that age, Yeah, exactly. Um. I just love them so much.
Speaker 1: I love their philanthropic work. Like to me, I'm like
Speaker 1: the two people I want to be like our Oprah
Speaker 1: and Botto whatever they like. Whatever Oprah does, literally, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm doing that your hands down. They have YouTube has
Speaker 1: one song. Um oh sometimes you can't make it. Oh
Speaker 1: I love that. Okay, Okay, we have a little bit
Speaker 1: of that was so good. That was like really good.
Speaker 1: I mean it, but you guys could do it and
Speaker 1: it would be fine. He would hear me and he
Speaker 1: wouldn't be mad. Sure. Yeah, Um, so YouTube number one, yes,
Speaker 1: number two. Felicity okay, one of the greatest TV shows
Speaker 1: of all time? Yeah, have you seen it? Well, I
Speaker 1: was going to say, I'm not. This is something where
Speaker 1: we have to we have to go back and do
Speaker 1: our research because I do know the cultural impact of Felicity.
Speaker 1: How old you, guys, I'm thirty two. Stop, so it's
Speaker 1: pre you yeah, yeah, just pretty okay. Yeah, So I
Speaker 1: was fourteen when it came out on the w B.
Speaker 1: That's how long ago was it on the w B?
Speaker 1: Dumbass like singing frog and obviously it was that stupid
Speaker 1: frog like what is this um? And obviously I was
Speaker 1: a virgin at the time, you know, listening to you
Speaker 1: too and just being like yeah bono um, not losing
Speaker 1: it real quick. And so Felicity okay. So the back
Speaker 1: story is Felicity is from Palo Alto and she's graduating
Speaker 1: high school and this guy Ben, it's like bit her crush,
Speaker 1: and so she's like, oh, you signed my yearbook and
Speaker 1: he's like sure, and he like takes it and goes
Speaker 1: and sits down like on a grassy knoll and like rights,
Speaker 1: it's like really long message and he gives it back
Speaker 1: to her. She was like, what's going on? And she
Speaker 1: reads and it was just like really sweet, like you
Speaker 1: still always see you around and wonder like what you
Speaker 1: were thinking and who you were like, and I just
Speaker 1: never had like I just never thought to like say
Speaker 1: anything to you. But you're like really interesting. So she decides,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm gonna major at what is it's not
Speaker 1: n y U because they couldn't get the license for
Speaker 1: that University of New York, Yeah, College of New York
Speaker 1: l L. And so she besides, she's going, Hey, what
Speaker 1: school are you going to in the fall? And he
Speaker 1: says at school. She's like, He's like, what about you?
Speaker 1: And she's like, I haven't made up my mind yet.
Speaker 1: And then she decides to not go to school in
Speaker 1: Cali and go to the same college and he's going
Speaker 1: to girl probably doesn't age well does not. It's not feminist,
Speaker 1: it's not sane, but it's Carrie Russell. She has curly hair.
Speaker 1: You're like, I'm into it. I get it. And then
Speaker 1: it just becomes like this great love triangle between her
Speaker 1: Ben and nol. He's played by Scott Foley, Yeah, and
Speaker 1: Ben Scott Speedman, and his thing is he like a
Speaker 1: whispers always like and I'm like, bitch, speak up, I
Speaker 1: can't deal with you. But like he's always like whispery
Speaker 1: and like just like cute and hot and like nol
Speaker 1: is an r a, he's by the book. Okay, So
Speaker 1: here we are. Yes, yes, so it's like who is
Speaker 1: Felicity going to choose so much? Yeah, and Power Rangers
Speaker 1: in it Amy Joe Johnson. Yeah, she plays like Felicity's friend.
Speaker 1: There's a lot's famous as of laid for her cameo
Speaker 1: in the Power Rangers movie. She was in the Power Rangers.
Speaker 1: Kimberly Pink Power Ranger and Tommy Green Ranger are in
Speaker 1: the last last last moments of the movie. They just
Speaker 1: literally non speaking cameo for two seconds. They just look
Speaker 1: up at like the destruction and they're like it's it
Speaker 1: is a blink and you miss that. They couldn't even
Speaker 1: give them a lot. Oh my god, that's amazing, but
Speaker 1: they get a day rate or something and they were
Speaker 1: tech a veil the year. Okay, So I have a question. Yea,
Speaker 1: the show actually die when she cut her hair. Okay,
Speaker 1: so everyone, okay, So backstory is between season one is
Speaker 1: season two, her character cut her hair I don't want
Speaker 1: to spoil anything, but her character cuts her hair for
Speaker 1: a particular reason, right, and so boys and so um,
Speaker 1: So what happened is Felicity switched time slots between season
Speaker 1: one is season two. They went to like a shittier
Speaker 1: time slot. And everyone's like, oh, it's because Felicity her hair,
Speaker 1: and I was like, no, it's because w B was
Speaker 1: like in shambles. I didn't know what they were doing,
Speaker 1: and like a lot of like kind of teeny sort
Speaker 1: of college stuff kind of like got screwed up. Not
Speaker 1: not a correlation. So it's like the basic thing to
Speaker 1: say is she cut her hair, and then right, all right,
Speaker 1: yeah season one, I mean it's like the best. It's
Speaker 1: really really good. Like she went in Golden Globe. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think she got nominate for an Emmy too, maybe
Speaker 1: or maybe I'm wrong. She was incredible in it, and
Speaker 1: she continues to be incredible on the Americans. So I
Speaker 1: hear again, don't watch this one. It's really good, is it? Okay?
Speaker 1: I hear it's one of those ones that gets better.
Speaker 1: It's really good. I feel like she's one of those
Speaker 1: people for me at least, who I'm just like never
Speaker 1: like clocked her always like new knew about her and
Speaker 1: knew that she was great, but haven't had the firsthand experience. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think what I've seen her in and
Speaker 1: think like I thought, like, yes, waitress, she was waitress.
Speaker 1: Yeah she was good in that, but like, for some reason,
Speaker 1: I just don't remember that movie. Yeah, it's one of
Speaker 1: she's one of those actresses that you know is out
Speaker 1: there doing good work. But you you were, and you
Speaker 1: know who that was for me for a long time,
Speaker 1: clear Danes, I get that. Yeah, it's like a kind
Speaker 1: of like general they have a face, you know, you're like,
Speaker 1: all right, cool. We know she was in the Romeo
Speaker 1: and Juliette movie. Did we put ourselves through it? As
Speaker 1: another question? It was so bad? Yeah, it was terrible,
Speaker 1: but now it's gagara. But people will say that Romeo
Speaker 1: and Juliet is Boss's best movie. Those people, Yeah, that's insane.
Speaker 1: This is just like now like a litmus test for
Speaker 1: everybody on her podcast. What are your thoughts one? If
Speaker 1: you have any, it's okay, it's okay. I was like,
Speaker 1: I was like, Nicole, what are you doing? She was
Speaker 1: so extra wow? But but you didn't think that it
Speaker 1: matched what was going on. I thought she was so
Speaker 1: extra in the best way. It was like I was like, boss,
Speaker 1: I can't with you. I've tried so many times and
Speaker 1: so like everything is just like a d and percent,
Speaker 1: which I'm like, I appreciate the effort, but like it's
Speaker 1: just like in your face and your face and your face.
Speaker 1: And I was like, you McGregor, I'm like, can you
Speaker 1: just get a job, Like you're like in your house
Speaker 1: all the time writing these Yeah, and it's like you're hot,
Speaker 1: Like can like do something Parisian model. Yeah, I'm just
Speaker 1: realizing now how manic Pixie dream Girl that movie. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's like when everyone someone whenever someone coughs in a
Speaker 1: movie and they're like, yeah, it's like I can't. She
Speaker 1: was weakly up that right, just like as when the
Speaker 1: point of the movie is to be that like a
Speaker 1: blown out romantic sized thing, like I let it happen. Sure,
Speaker 1: and now we forgive Nicole. But here I will say this.
Speaker 1: I was never into Nicole big little lies And I
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, give her the Emmy, give her the Oscar.
Speaker 1: It's not a movie, but give it to her. Give
Speaker 1: her a Webby, whatever you got, whatever, you need to
Speaker 1: give her a paper plate Awards. If Nicole doesn't, Nicolet
Speaker 1: doesn't walk away with a fucking webby this year, then
Speaker 1: the industry is we talk about this a lot, and
Speaker 1: we can continue to talk about this, and it will
Speaker 1: be the Emmys for some time. But I always say,
Speaker 1: if I had a ballot in my hand, I'm checking
Speaker 1: Reese with this, Okay, Matts. Matt's defense is that, Okay,
Speaker 1: I need to hear this, because that is that's controversial.
Speaker 1: First of all, for sure, I would say that here's
Speaker 1: the deal. We fell in love with big Little Lies
Speaker 1: because of because of her limping. In the first episode,
Speaker 1: she could get she could at my firstborn for that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was really good for that. Also, all the line
Speaker 1: readings throughout, like you, if you can sell a one liner,
Speaker 1: you are my god. So for example, my biggest comedic
Speaker 1: influence Eva Longoria, because the woman could kill you with
Speaker 1: a comedic one line. Now, to be serious for a second,
Speaker 1: the work that she did throughout the show I felt
Speaker 1: was more versatile. But I'm not saying that if Nicole
Speaker 1: won the Emmy, I would I've said on this podcast,
Speaker 1: I would lead to my feet. You know, I thought
Speaker 1: about this. The more think about this, the more I
Speaker 1: feel like Nicole, with that role and with that character
Speaker 1: and with that arc, probably had to really put herself
Speaker 1: in a shitty It was dangerous. Yeah, have you read
Speaker 1: the book. I have not, but I heard it's great.
Speaker 1: I was just telling Bowen the abuse in the book
Speaker 1: towards the end. I'm actually happy that they didn't depict
Speaker 1: it on television because what happens in the book is
Speaker 1: the last straw for her is he takes her head
Speaker 1: and slams it against a wall and it is so
Speaker 1: painful and I think I was in the airport reading
Speaker 1: it and I literally had to put it down because
Speaker 1: I was gasping. And so then you watch the show
Speaker 1: and it's just like, can you like to embody like
Speaker 1: and this is of course it happens all the time,
Speaker 1: like and which is tragic and devastating, but like she
Speaker 1: put herself in that place, and like, really, I'm so
Speaker 1: happy the show is out there because people can I
Speaker 1: guess maybe more people will start talking about this and
Speaker 1: just like really starting to like empathize with what goes
Speaker 1: on out there in the world because it was thick
Speaker 1: and I'm happy it went I'm like really happy. We
Speaker 1: got to see like what it really I guess what
Speaker 1: it feels like to be that those therapy scenes, the
Speaker 1: amount of justification, the amount of justification she was doing,
Speaker 1: It's like, Wow, this is what it's like to really
Speaker 1: fight for something that's bad for you. And also I
Speaker 1: have to give a shout out to Alexander's scar scar.
Speaker 1: I was like, he's a good actor. You see his
Speaker 1: penis and true blows, You're like cool, like love it.
Speaker 1: But then to see him do this and provide that
Speaker 1: layer of complexity, because I think the easy way I
Speaker 1: would have been like he's just a monster, but it
Speaker 1: was like he knew he was broken and he knew
Speaker 1: he was damaged, and you could see him like be
Speaker 1: evil one minute and super loving the next minute, and
Speaker 1: then like I just really think they displayed like what
Speaker 1: abuse is really like, and I think that's important for
Speaker 1: people to see that. And I was really impressed by
Speaker 1: what he did about That's a character I'm a fan
Speaker 1: for a like career gamble and a risk for him, yes,
Speaker 1: because not everyone out there is going to be intelligent
Speaker 1: enough to be like he's playing a part. He happens
Speaker 1: to be playing it really well. Especially when you do
Speaker 1: it so convincingly, it's like you're just gonna be scary
Speaker 1: to people, just like the way he would like walk
Speaker 1: like a predator. Sometimes it was just like so it
Speaker 1: was like a masterclass of acting. Like the actually just
Speaker 1: went like best mini series or whatever. I just don't
Speaker 1: know what's going to be better than that this year. Also,
Speaker 1: like what amazing casting whoever put it to put it together,
Speaker 1: like to cast like to like super sexually charged actors
Speaker 1: like that, Like because when you saw the sex scenes
Speaker 1: and like in the early episodes, you almost were like, fuck,
Speaker 1: like you do have something. It was like when they
Speaker 1: were like you know, skype sex, I was like this
Speaker 1: is cool. And then I was like, oh, but successful
Speaker 1: in that way because you cat yourself almost you catch
Speaker 1: yourself forgiving. Yeah, You're like, oh, Perry, and then you're
Speaker 1: like nope, close up shop. Oh my god. Yeah. But
Speaker 1: I mean I just want to segue into this and
Speaker 1: I really want to just talk to you about this
Speaker 1: because I don't remember if it was on a Two
Speaker 1: Queens episode, if it was in the book, But like
Speaker 1: at length you talked about is He and Denny having
Speaker 1: ghosts and then and about how you kept watching Grays
Speaker 1: and because we were watched it well through season seven
Speaker 1: like past like the plane crash was when I was like, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: what was like, like when did you hang your hat
Speaker 1: with Grays? I think it was time of Death. It
Speaker 1: was Issy and George once. I think when he got killed.
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm out. I was sick when he died.
Speaker 1: Season five, yeah, at peace Out, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I love Ashonda, but I'm like life fish short, like
Speaker 1: I haven't read Moby Dick, like you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like I need to get it together. I just can't
Speaker 1: anymore totally. Yeah, you know, she gave up on it too,
Speaker 1: but I heard it's good again, like they went really
Speaker 1: shitty period now supposed to be really good again. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, I can't. I can't live life like this,
Speaker 1: you know. I just I would tune back in now
Speaker 1: and I would just be sad because I don't know
Speaker 1: how you feel. But season one, two, three, that was incredible,
Speaker 1: so good, so good. It still holds up. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: yeah I did. I went home a few weeks ago
Speaker 1: to my parents and they just have this giant home theater.
Speaker 1: Sorry sorry, sorry, But then but then I just watched
Speaker 1: the episode where Christina at Sandra's last episode, and I fully,
Speaker 1: I haven't seen that. I watched it, like there are
Speaker 1: there are certain moments that are like peppered throughout the
Speaker 1: later seasons that are like, actually, I had a lot
Speaker 1: of thought, and I'm sure Shanda, yeah, it's always going
Speaker 1: to write a good model, like you know, there's a
Speaker 1: she's always going to have a team, have someone on
Speaker 1: the team that can turn out a good scene. It's
Speaker 1: just you know, I mean, and she better have come
Speaker 1: through for Sandro's last episode. Yeah, you can't play her.
Speaker 1: I actually came out of the woodwork and watched that
Speaker 1: one as a stand alone because I was like, I
Speaker 1: have respect for Sandro, and I know that it's fine
Speaker 1: if it's totally fine to just peak your head and
Speaker 1: watch that episode. You still get it. It just it's
Speaker 1: I felt like this was such a big part of
Speaker 1: my life for like three years, like Graze, and I
Speaker 1: still continue to watch it all through you know, her
Speaker 1: storylines with Owen and everything. I was like, I'm going
Speaker 1: to see this character through. Yeah, happy, totally, total, totally,
Speaker 1: but I mean, yeah, Sandro emmy lest for that part.
Speaker 1: She never won. You want a golden Globe. She never
Speaker 1: won an Emmy, which I think, how is that possible?
Speaker 1: Took one, Yeah, and then she shot on the writers
Speaker 1: the next the next year. I see there's I I
Speaker 1: was so on board when she came out so hard
Speaker 1: against Isaiah Isaiah Washington for him using the F word
Speaker 1: against her night and when she was like I will
Speaker 1: go to bad for him always like this is like
Speaker 1: a brother to me, whatever, and then hard to get
Speaker 1: on her side after like just being so disc Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can't like take like it was Gray's and the Enemy,
Speaker 1: it was knocked Up. It's like you can't take these
Speaker 1: jobs and then trash the people who created the work
Speaker 1: for you, like appreciate like knocked Up. It's like what
Speaker 1: got her the paycheck that she got on movies going forward.
Speaker 1: So like I do agree that, like the female characters
Speaker 1: aren't as well drawn in that movie, but it's like,
Speaker 1: girl that like kind of changed your career in a
Speaker 1: lot of ways, Like it should be more appreciative. I
Speaker 1: just can't. I will say I am down for her.
Speaker 1: Whatever attempt at a career revival, she's she's going for it.
Speaker 1: I mean it has not gone it has not gone well.
Speaker 1: But like there is like this weird like like the
Speaker 1: cat Yeah, literally commercial commercial. But then she's got that
Speaker 1: going on, and she also has that new movie with
Speaker 1: Rosario Dawson. That's true. But here's the thing, absolutely Obsessed too.
Speaker 1: But what were you gonna say? I almost just said,
Speaker 1: like I wonder if it'll be better than Obsessed, and
Speaker 1: I was like, what am I don't think beyond sandelier
Speaker 1: on Ali Larder will never be That's pretty legend until
Speaker 1: the last fifteen minutes. Yeah, and then you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm into this. You sent that last fifteen minutes the
Speaker 1: Sundance Film Festival. It was, but it went the audience large.
Speaker 1: Send it to can every grand jury. She dropped a shandelier. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Why she was married to elbow right, Yes, it was
Speaker 1: so inferious, how like how dumb he was. It was like, Agris,
Speaker 1: I need you to get it together. But some of
Speaker 1: those some of that dialogue epically bad, Idris, where should
Speaker 1: I go? Then to tell? But until also Christine Lottie,
Speaker 1: she plays the police officer. That's right, dumbest police officer
Speaker 1: you've ever seen. Everyone go back and watch Obsessed. Christine
Speaker 1: Lottie as like the detective or whatever. Is so epically dumb,
Speaker 1: and she does and she is operating at s because
Speaker 1: even she, in her line rings is judging herself. Yeah. Look,
Speaker 1: I don't care if you're suing this girl or not.
Speaker 1: I was just it's just like so so so bad.
Speaker 1: Speaking of like, okay, this movie is like not actually bad.
Speaker 1: It's just like low key ignorant, but like, hi key amazing.
Speaker 1: Have you guys seen the movie Unfaithful? I just rewatched
Speaker 1: it recently with a girlfriend who had never seen it,
Speaker 1: and it literally changed your life. The thing about Unfaithful,
Speaker 1: she's giving everything. Diane Lane is like fucking killing it.
Speaker 1: But it's still yet bad. It's so bad. There's so
Speaker 1: many problems with it and how and where she got
Speaker 1: an Oscar nomination for them, which should have gotten one too,
Speaker 1: because he was like incredible. Yeah, yeah, he brought layers
Speaker 1: to that character that could have been just like all
Speaker 1: right dumpy like frumpy guy. That's a wild thing for me.
Speaker 1: Bad movies with amazing performances. Yeah, that's do you have
Speaker 1: one of those? Oh god, I'm having that's pretty specific.
Speaker 1: Unfaithful is a really good Yeah, it's like, yeah, she's
Speaker 1: always like cooking spaghetti, like it's so bad it takes
Speaker 1: her three hours. I'm like, it's spaghetti. Did you mess
Speaker 1: up the first one? Like, my god, are you trying
Speaker 1: to like just do some cool noodles? Like grow them out?
Speaker 1: That's so funny. What's what's a bad movie with amazing performances?
Speaker 1: So girls, just kidding, But she was incredible. Yeah, she
Speaker 1: could have gotten like a people's choice. Now I would
Speaker 1: have been fine with that for sure. I mean also
Speaker 1: you got like she know me? Malone? Is that? No? No? No,
Speaker 1: Nina was the other one, the one who's like the
Speaker 1: seasoned one. Yeah. Yeah. For some reason, this movie keeps
Speaker 1: bing bing binging in my head. It is not it
Speaker 1: is a bad movie, and it doesn't have amazing performances.
Speaker 1: But I keep wanting to say burlesque. But also that
Speaker 1: is fun to watch. It is fun Kristin Stewarts and
Speaker 1: that she's like she is so sorry. Chris Stewarts and
Speaker 1: Christi Steuart could never have that much fun. No, I'm
Speaker 1: terrible with those names. Oh my god. Yeah I haven't
Speaker 1: seen that. Oh you should. You should watch it. It's
Speaker 1: like dumb, funky. Yeah, it's like a period movie, like
Speaker 1: even if you don't have your period, just like whatever
Speaker 1: you're feeling, Crommy, watch right. It's a good one to
Speaker 1: lay around to next time you have a Scientis affection.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Phoebe, I want to ask you about
Speaker 1: just to go back to Oprah for a second. I
Speaker 1: think I heard somewhere that you got a call after
Speaker 1: the book came out. Can we talk about Yeah we can't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I have the voicemail on my after Yes. Okay, So
Speaker 1: I'll tell you this story. So when I was writing
Speaker 1: the book, I was always like we should like get
Speaker 1: it to Oprah. But I was like I was like
Speaker 1: l O L like none of us know her people.
Speaker 1: And so the book came out and then two days later,
Speaker 1: my little agent called me and he was like, so
Speaker 1: you have to tell you something. He's like, um, so
Speaker 1: Oprah has your book and I was like what. I
Speaker 1: was like, how does she get it? I'm like, I mean,
Speaker 1: she's Oprah, she can get whatever she wants. I was like,
Speaker 1: how does she getting Like? I don't know, But her
Speaker 1: team called and said that she loves the book and
Speaker 1: she wants to talk to you, and I was like
Speaker 1: what And he's like, she's really unpredictable, so she's just
Speaker 1: gonna like call you whenever. And I'm like, that's just
Speaker 1: like what a phone call is, but like yes, it's
Speaker 1: like that's not she's going to get on the phone ring.
Speaker 1: We don't know what's going to happen next, we don't
Speaker 1: know what she'll say, and so I was like okay,
Speaker 1: So like so beyond beyond lookout for a phone call
Speaker 1: from her. And I was like in the middle traveling,
Speaker 1: and so the next day I didn't hear from her.
Speaker 1: My agents like I can't believe she didn't call him,
Speaker 1: Like she's literally saving Africa right now, It's totally fine.
Speaker 1: I was like, but I did miss this like phone
Speaker 1: call randomly, so I'm like random numbers. So he checked
Speaker 1: and it was her trying to reach me. So he
Speaker 1: was like, just tomorrow, just like be I'll look out
Speaker 1: for it. I was like okay, So I was. The
Speaker 1: next day, I was like in a meeting and my
Speaker 1: phone was going off and I was like, I think
Speaker 1: this is her, but you can't interrupt a meeting. So
Speaker 1: I was just like, oh, well, um, she'll call back.
Speaker 1: I just have to take back when you just expect
Speaker 1: implicitly that Oprah will call you back, literal number one
Speaker 1: pop culture icon literally of all time show call back
Speaker 1: you know what. I am obsessed screen this one. Yes,
Speaker 1: So I told my little agent, who's like, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: definitely her, and I was like, ah, I know. And
Speaker 1: so then the next day I got a phone call,
Speaker 1: but I was like, I couldn't tell the number. I
Speaker 1: was like, this could either be her or it could
Speaker 1: be like my stute loans because loans. So I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna risk it, not pick it up. And
Speaker 1: if I get a voicemail, fine, did you get a voicemail?
Speaker 1: And I was like, I might have sucked that up.
Speaker 1: Literally the person harder to get in touch with the
Speaker 1: Oprah is Phoebe Robinson. And so the next day I
Speaker 1: was on set for this Amazon show him on I
Speaker 1: loved Dick, and I never bring my phone with me
Speaker 1: on a sex I want to be like present, second
Speaker 1: actor's choice to be present. And I wrapped my scene, um,
Speaker 1: and so then I saw my phone and I was like,
Speaker 1: I have a few miscalls and have a voicemail. And
Speaker 1: I was like, and I go, I'm not gonna listen
Speaker 1: to voicemails. Probably my parents. I always use like a
Speaker 1: long voicemails so I just called back the first numbers,
Speaker 1: like an eight one eight number, and a person answers
Speaker 1: like hello, and I was like, hey, yeah, I just
Speaker 1: got a phone call from this number, but I don't
Speaker 1: know who this is. And he was like what and
Speaker 1: I was like, uh, okay, I'm gonna go by. So
Speaker 1: I like called her house. It was like her mistake, guy,
Speaker 1: what if I talked to Stemane? Yeah, not out of
Speaker 1: the question. And so I was like, that was not
Speaker 1: a good first impression. Let me just listen to this
Speaker 1: voicemail in case it's not my parents. It was Oprah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: She was like oh no. So first before I get
Speaker 1: to that, I hang up the phone, I get a
Speaker 1: text message It's like, Phoebe, it's Oprah dot dot dot
Speaker 1: call me. And I was like, so then I listened
Speaker 1: to the voicemail and she was like, Hi, Phoebe, it's
Speaker 1: Oprah as in winfree, and I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: as so humble, so humble. She was just like really sweet.
Speaker 1: She was like I've been trying to get in touch
Speaker 1: with you. But then I realized my number is blocked
Speaker 1: and you probably don't like answer block call, so I
Speaker 1: like unblocked my call. So here's this number. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: try and call you back on my cell number, which
Speaker 1: is and she's like, oh, you know what, I don't
Speaker 1: know my cell number. I'll figure that out. I know.
Speaker 1: She we you're that rich. You don't need to know
Speaker 1: that in her mission, you know, people numbers, and so
Speaker 1: she was like looking forward to talking to you soon.
Speaker 1: So I called her back and I was just like hi,
Speaker 1: Albred's Phoebe, and she was just so sweet and complimentary.
Speaker 1: It was like I really enjoyed the book and like
Speaker 1: it spoke to me and I was just like Oprah
Speaker 1: and it was just like really nice, just like chat
Speaker 1: with her. Now, here's the knowledge that Oprah has read
Speaker 1: your innermost thoughts and like your feelings and thoughts about
Speaker 1: the world, and that is huge. It's crazy. I still
Speaker 1: can't believe it because when you're writing the book, you're
Speaker 1: thinking that. First of all, you're probably thinking this is
Speaker 1: fun for me to write and like people will enjoy it.
Speaker 1: And then you're like, hold on, wait, that means anyone
Speaker 1: can read this, and anyone includes fucking over. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: it's just like a really like oh, it's like cool
Speaker 1: to meet your heroes because they can be really amazing
Speaker 1: and lovely. Oh my god, I mean, I just I
Speaker 1: just want to set I mean, first of all, that's amazing,
Speaker 1: But with Oprah, it's like one day, like a few
Speaker 1: months ago, I posted her final episode and multiple people
Speaker 1: were like, I just clicked on it and just thought
Speaker 1: I was only going to watch a snippet of it.
Speaker 1: But then she just sucks you in and you just
Speaker 1: watched the whole freaking thing, which is like forty two
Speaker 1: minutes long. She's brilliant and it's the most beautiful thing,
Speaker 1: where the entire thing is like this isn't this. This
Speaker 1: has never been about me. It's always been about you,
Speaker 1: and it's just the thing she says. So I mean, yeah, God,
Speaker 1: Oprah read your book and loved it and decided to
Speaker 1: call you an unblock her number. It's crazy that So
Speaker 1: I still have the voicemail on my That's that's like
Speaker 1: an heirloom. Now, Yeah, you passed that ship down. You
Speaker 1: shouldn't make sure you put it on different devices. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I say, I sit as an email to myself and
Speaker 1: I uploaded to the cloud. So I'm just like, there's
Speaker 1: no way I'm going to lose there you go. Yea oh,
Speaker 1: my god, that is truly incredible, incredible, and the book
Speaker 1: is amazing, it really is. It's fun. Can we talk
Speaker 1: about one specific chapter. It's the one, it's the it's
Speaker 1: the uppitty one. This was and and let me tell you,
Speaker 1: I didn't know this and god, admit that I didn't
Speaker 1: know the full origins of that word either. And then
Speaker 1: you tie that tie the meaning of that word with
Speaker 1: this horrible experience you had on this show. Um that
Speaker 1: is that will not be named and is strategically not
Speaker 1: named in the book, but horrible thing where like the
Speaker 1: judges like are like this hedgehot sucks, but you look
Speaker 1: great now. There were so many people, of course, and
Speaker 1: it's like what they do on reality as we talk
Speaker 1: all the time about how we have friends who go
Speaker 1: on these shows and like they literally break you down.
Speaker 1: Was a dark day in history when the American Idol
Speaker 1: became what it was, the number one show and a
Speaker 1: little bit because I think it started not only like
Speaker 1: a um access to degrading people publicly, but also a
Speaker 1: comment and critique culture where everyone thought because they watched
Speaker 1: professional judges quote unquote professional judges do this to people
Speaker 1: that they had the experience to then do it to
Speaker 1: each other and to just people so many and and
Speaker 1: of course you know it ruined people's lives. Have you, guys,
Speaker 1: has ever done like audition for reality TV stuff or
Speaker 1: now get this tomorrow I'm going to be on Who
Speaker 1: Wants to Be a Millionaire? Now this now that when
Speaker 1: this episode, when this episode is out, you guys, this
Speaker 1: will have been weeks ago. So I did, Okay, I
Speaker 1: won five grand but um, but it was just like
Speaker 1: it's just it's it's just different than you think it's
Speaker 1: gonna be. Like, of course you see you go onto
Speaker 1: and of course this is different than a reality show.
Speaker 1: And they didn't treat me badly, but you I got
Speaker 1: a little glimpse into what it's like to be on
Speaker 1: like a something like that. And the deck is kind
Speaker 1: of stacked because it's such an intimidating situation. And then um,
Speaker 1: you know you also kind of you do sign away
Speaker 1: certain things. I mean, obviously I don't deal with anything
Speaker 1: as badly as like I have had. We've had a
Speaker 1: friend that's been on American Idol and it was a
Speaker 1: very hard situation. We are we um know, Zeke Smith,
Speaker 1: who was just a survivor contestant that was out at
Speaker 1: as trans. That was so upsetting to me. I was like,
Speaker 1: because I don't watch Survibor, so I was just reading
Speaker 1: the story online. I was like, how dare this other
Speaker 1: guy do this? And he's the guy's gay, and obviously,
Speaker 1: like there's a lot of self hatred there and a
Speaker 1: lot of insecurity there, and I actually think he's the
Speaker 1: one we need to watch for it closely now because
Speaker 1: he just got fired. He got fired, and also like
Speaker 1: I think I think his family and friends need to
Speaker 1: be keeping a close eye on him because I would
Speaker 1: imagine that he is in a very dark place right now.
Speaker 1: But but anyway, I was thinking, and I don't know
Speaker 1: if you thought this when it all happened, but you know,
Speaker 1: they had the option to not show that, and then
Speaker 1: I guess I would hope it was up to Zeke
Speaker 1: to say it's okay. I actually think this could be
Speaker 1: a healing and growing moment for you know, trans youth,
Speaker 1: you know the transgender community, and we should go ahead
Speaker 1: with this. But I wonder if that was an option,
Speaker 1: Oh you, because they are presenting it like Zeke was
Speaker 1: involved in the decision making, but you're maybe thinking that
Speaker 1: he wasn't. I mean, at that level where there's that
Speaker 1: much money involved and really what matters to these people
Speaker 1: is ratings and nothing else. And so you do wonder
Speaker 1: like how much how collaborative that the decision to air
Speaker 1: that wasn't how much how much say was had, And
Speaker 1: then all goes back to like just this new trend
Speaker 1: since like an op post American idole world where like
Speaker 1: just embarrassing people for profit was like acceptable. But to
Speaker 1: go back to the book, I mean you so you
Speaker 1: tie that story in like pretty terrible experience in with
Speaker 1: like how black people and black women especially are like
Speaker 1: when when when they as certain ambition, it's just immediately
Speaker 1: struck down with starting being on the mic, it's immediately
Speaker 1: struck down with like, well, no, like you're being you're
Speaker 1: being too You're just you're reaching too high, which is ridiculous.
Speaker 1: And then that even and I just remember this very
Speaker 1: very very clearly, because then I think you've even talked
Speaker 1: about like veiled language of people saying like well she's
Speaker 1: she's so exotic, so exotic, and like and like we
Speaker 1: deal without with like in terms of queer stuff. It's like,
Speaker 1: well that's too niche. Like we'll go into pitching rooms
Speaker 1: and and and that was a classic one. Our ideas
Speaker 1: were too niche, they're too gay. Okay, that's mine. Just
Speaker 1: say they're too gay, even though that's the shitty thing
Speaker 1: to say. But anyway, Um, I don't know, like has
Speaker 1: that Has that gotten better? I know that's a weird question,
Speaker 1: and you had a lot of response to that, because
Speaker 1: I'm sure a lot of people read the book. I
Speaker 1: didn't know about the root of that language. Well, I
Speaker 1: think what I'm most excited about now is that there
Speaker 1: are there's more black female representation, which I think is important.
Speaker 1: You have people like Ray and MICHAELA. Cole. We're chewting gum.
Speaker 1: I'm like, so it's really really great and fantastic and
Speaker 1: super quirky, and MICHAELA writes all the episodes herself, and
Speaker 1: so it's really like she starts in and so it's
Speaker 1: just having me. It's like voices who they're in control
Speaker 1: of their vision, and they're providing another layer of the
Speaker 1: black experiences. I think a lot of times, like you know,
Speaker 1: we just think about the black experience in terms of
Speaker 1: like black men and not really like how women black
Speaker 1: women are affected. And so I think right now it's
Speaker 1: really cool that there's all these different perspectives. So I'm
Speaker 1: hoping that also happens with the queer community because I
Speaker 1: feel like you guys, like I love you guys, and
Speaker 1: you guys are amazing, and like you're not too gay,
Speaker 1: you're not too niche, like you should be out in
Speaker 1: the world having your own show, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I mean, we're out and we're just yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: it's so encouraging. Whenever there's like minority representation, I'm psyched.
Speaker 1: I feel like it's a sports that for everyone. Like,
Speaker 1: for example, I am so psyched for Francesca and I
Speaker 1: know it's going to be a huge success and that
Speaker 1: what like that makes me feel like a part of it,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And you say this because
Speaker 1: you've worked with her and you know what she does.
Speaker 1: She's so everything, and like not even because I've worked
Speaker 1: with her specifically that I feel like being a part
Speaker 1: of it. But it's just like, wow, you know they
Speaker 1: I'm so psyched that they went with someone who's going
Speaker 1: to bring something new and who's going to bring something
Speaker 1: good because and and it's it's almost so stupid that
Speaker 1: it's taken this long, because it should have been like
Speaker 1: that from the beginning, it's like why do you think um,
Speaker 1: like we don't trust or like all these voices like
Speaker 1: all blend together. It's because they're all the same. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like people upset about you know, Falon's rating slipping. It's like,
Speaker 1: I don't think it has much to do with Falon.
Speaker 1: I think it has much. I think it has a
Speaker 1: lot to do with people just tuning out in general. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Obviously I don't have like data in front of me
Speaker 1: that shows that that's true. But I I think that
Speaker 1: we're on the precipice of seeing a lot of new
Speaker 1: cool stuff emerge, especially because everything and like the political
Speaker 1: and international sphere is like getting so bad. Yeah, Like
Speaker 1: I was thinking the other day, someone said to me
Speaker 1: the other day, like Suti said to me, like, it's
Speaker 1: really comforting to have to be able to watch Feud
Speaker 1: because I feel like it's almost like the university gave
Speaker 1: us Feud because because because there's a Trump or like
Speaker 1: RuPaul's drag Race, which is like becoming more and more mainstream,
Speaker 1: which is like how it should be. This isn't like
Speaker 1: this like drag World isn't like oh that's weird. It's
Speaker 1: like no, this is a commentary on culture. This is satire,
Speaker 1: this is witty, this is smart, this is funny, this
Speaker 1: is all these things. And like, you know, straight people,
Speaker 1: I love my straight people, but we are slow with
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff. It's all seeing something like that
Speaker 1: move to VH one get the highest ratings has ever
Speaker 1: gotten and armatically be renewed for another season. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: straight people are starting to slowly get it, Like you
Speaker 1: don't need to see yourself reflecting everything to enjoy it,
Speaker 1: which I think it's great. So true. Well, when you're
Speaker 1: pushed to the outside of something, you're able to see
Speaker 1: it more clearly. And so I think that that's something
Speaker 1: you're going to get with all these emerging voices and
Speaker 1: these diverse voices, is it these clearer, different new takes. Yes, beautiful.
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Speaker 1: telling her how adorable she looks. Oh my gosh. So
Speaker 1: we were literally off air. We were just talking about
Speaker 1: our favorite music as we've decided that Bowen and Phoebe
Speaker 1: both left West Side Story and I love Zanna do
Speaker 1: which is not? Which don't? Um? Phoebe. We just you
Speaker 1: mentioned RuPaul before the break? Are you watching this season?
Speaker 1: I'm watching to see in Okay, Charlie, what even was that? Well,
Speaker 1: you know, I think he came on this show just
Speaker 1: to be seen. He didn't have any attentions of going
Speaker 1: far of winning. He just wanted the extra exposure. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, so many people kill to be on that show,
Speaker 1: and like, how dare you be? Like, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: lip sync fuck you. I have a theory about it.
Speaker 1: I think that that's just like Charlie, that's who Tally
Speaker 1: is what, That's what all he decided to do. And
Speaker 1: I actually have a feeling that RuPaul might know Charlie
Speaker 1: from way back, and because one of my friends was like,
Speaker 1: RuPaul should have told Charlie off, like Rupp should have
Speaker 1: come for Charlie right there. But then I was like,
Speaker 1: the thing is, though, this is like an older queen
Speaker 1: like probably there is a lot going on around in
Speaker 1: her mind about being on the show, and I surrounded
Speaker 1: by all these twenty year olds, Yeah, clearly have the
Speaker 1: leg up and like, what's Charlie gonna do a death drop?
Speaker 1: But you know what I mean? Like, so I would
Speaker 1: think it was appropriate that rud didn't like come for her,
Speaker 1: just kind of let her go with her dignity. I
Speaker 1: would have gagged for, you know, a fifty year old
Speaker 1: queen doing a death drop to yeah hospital on some
Speaker 1: hospital food. But you know what, And I first, at
Speaker 1: first took issue with Charlie like in the confessional saying,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm I'm a singing queen. I don't
Speaker 1: lip sync, like having the staunch like identity thing. But
Speaker 1: you know what she's she's I guess she's seasoned enough
Speaker 1: of a drag queen to like really just say like
Speaker 1: know what she can and can't do and just be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I just don't do that. So I don't begrut her
Speaker 1: of that. But it was so late that she just
Speaker 1: stood there. Yeah. Other thoughts, who are we loving? Who
Speaker 1: are we loving? I like Valentine, she's really good. Um,
Speaker 1: I like Trinity to ye I'm officially done with Eureka.
Speaker 1: I can't, oh, thank you, because we just she's a
Speaker 1: very talented queen and I love I love her choices
Speaker 1: with the wardrobe because and I think in her meat
Speaker 1: the queen, she was like, I just want to wear
Speaker 1: what you wouldn't normally associate big girls wearing, like I know,
Speaker 1: where something that you that you say she shouldn't be
Speaker 1: wearing that, but still pull it off. And I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's cool. But the fact that she has like this
Speaker 1: attitude problem, she's rude and she's like mean is really
Speaker 1: it's like ginger Man's Part two. There you go, It
Speaker 1: really is. And it's just the thing is, it's so
Speaker 1: obviously born out of insecurity, and so I almost don't
Speaker 1: even want I don't want to get to the point
Speaker 1: where I have to be like fuck you, but like
Speaker 1: it's got to the point now where it's like, god
Speaker 1: like get it together. Also, it's not dragged to be
Speaker 1: really mean yeah at all. Um, I don't even think
Speaker 1: it's necessarily out of insecurity. It's just like probably just
Speaker 1: narcissism or something where she just wants to be the
Speaker 1: loudest voice. Um. But anyway, think about it though, like
Speaker 1: we see Eureka as a boy, that's how she walks
Speaker 1: the Street's like, I don't think Eureka is narcissistic. I
Speaker 1: think Eureka is probably very insecure, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And that is why I'm trying to come at it
Speaker 1: with from like a place of like, you know, I
Speaker 1: want her to love herself enough so she can love
Speaker 1: everyone else. Can I get a name in? And you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? But the thing is like it's
Speaker 1: just it's just hard, like it's going to be a
Speaker 1: long road I think for her to get to a
Speaker 1: place where she's not going to be very defensive. And yeah,
Speaker 1: and she's a good queen. She is, she is good.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, just fix the personality, like learn from
Speaker 1: Roxy Andrews from Beefy, Like just being nasty doesn't doesn't win,
Speaker 1: just doesn't you know, it's not We ran into Roxy
Speaker 1: Andrews yea, and she was really nice. In fact, my
Speaker 1: boyfriend Henry and I were there at the Islands of
Speaker 1: Adventure and apparently Roxy's on Orlando Queen and apparently she's
Speaker 1: always there and Gingerman is always in the theme parks.
Speaker 1: Because what you do is you go chill in the
Speaker 1: theme parks because they all have season passes or whatever.
Speaker 1: It's like the fun thing to do. So we saw
Speaker 1: her as a boy obvious sleep and my boyfriend was like,
Speaker 1: that's Roxy Andrews. And I was like, no way, turned
Speaker 1: around and all I did was point and say nothing.
Speaker 1: I was like, I was just like, I see you.
Speaker 1: So then we obviously got out of the park and
Speaker 1: took a breath, and then Henry goes, She's coming up
Speaker 1: right behind you, right now, She's approaching you. She's coming
Speaker 1: up to us right now. And I was like, I
Speaker 1: turned around, and she fully came up and gave us
Speaker 1: a hug, and her friends offered to take a picture
Speaker 1: and asked us what we were doing in town and
Speaker 1: said she was going to happen, like really engaged. And
Speaker 1: it was so kind and it's so different from the
Speaker 1: season five Roxy Andrews, which was truly mean, maybe even
Speaker 1: worse than anyone's ever been. Roxy was pretty bad. She
Speaker 1: was up there. She was bad. Yeah, it wasn't a
Speaker 1: good situation, and no, it was. It was really And
Speaker 1: I love drinks. Do you have a favorite queen of
Speaker 1: all time? Well, you interviewed the last guy. Yeah, a
Speaker 1: last it was amazing. She I think my favorites are Alaska, Latrice,
Speaker 1: analyssa solid three. Also I really love Katiah Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, Katia,
Speaker 1: that's my girl. But also it's just because you were lated,
Speaker 1: and I think everybody relates in that capacity where it's
Speaker 1: like she's paralyzed by fear and insecurity with herself. But um,
Speaker 1: but Alaska is just like just new And the only
Speaker 1: time that the vineer ever cracked was that like episode
Speaker 1: in All Stars to where she just like that melt
Speaker 1: like who hasn't had a grandmother of all meltdowns? But
Speaker 1: um oh, I got Alaska though, Alaska is the one, yeah,
Speaker 1: the one of it. How was I mean I listened
Speaker 1: to the episode, but like what was it? Like, Like,
Speaker 1: he's great. He was just really funny and chill and sweet.
Speaker 1: It was just really really nice. And we're talking about
Speaker 1: Lady Gaga and he was saying he met her and
Speaker 1: it was just like really cool. Yeah, it's really great. Um,
Speaker 1: he goes to like ECB shows. He just like goes
Speaker 1: and hangs. Yeah, He's like he likes the comedy show,
Speaker 1: which makes me love her even more. We're going to
Speaker 1: have a drag Queen on this show. I just know
Speaker 1: it's going to Can I tell you we were trying
Speaker 1: to get Michelle, like while we were trying to get her,
Speaker 1: and I think she might be just out of our reach.
Speaker 1: Like some people that I was talking to about it
Speaker 1: was like, I think you need to get some queens
Speaker 1: first and then it'll make it worth Michelle Vissage is
Speaker 1: while because we're at the point right now where like
Speaker 1: probably her people wouldn't even tell her that we contact him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but just to connect with the young Gates she does,
Speaker 1: you can get her. We can get she has a grinder.
Speaker 1: She does she wants the tea that she has a
Speaker 1: grind chat. That's hilarious. It's hilarious. But also like, okay,
Speaker 1: chill out, Michelle, You've got a kid. Just like I'm
Speaker 1: just saying, not not saying like she can't be on
Speaker 1: grinding because she has a kid, but it's like with
Speaker 1: her kid, don't be on the phone chatting with Maybe
Speaker 1: the kid is asleep. We all know us kids are
Speaker 1: awake at night. And then with the other kids. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think we can I mean not to like book
Speaker 1: live while we're on on the record, but like we
Speaker 1: can get like we know Thorgy like, we've been to
Speaker 1: Bob shows before she got she was on the show.
Speaker 1: Have you seen Bob performed live? Not? Not the full
Speaker 1: Bob experience, not yet, but I really want to. Bob
Speaker 1: used to do a weekly show at barracouta lounge in
Speaker 1: New York, and we were lucky because we got to
Speaker 1: see Bob before. Before Now you can't see really see
Speaker 1: Bob anymore. And that was the funniest comedy show in
Speaker 1: New York. It's that. That was one of the best
Speaker 1: comedas in New York City. Actually hang out with you guys,
Speaker 1: for you guys are really hip and cool. I like
Speaker 1: to be at home in bed. I see. The thing
Speaker 1: is though, I also like to be at home in bed,
Speaker 1: and I also like to be and Bob the drag
Speaker 1: Queen was the only thing that could get me out
Speaker 1: of midnight on a Monday, which is when I can't
Speaker 1: I know, right, But Bob eat it worth it, just
Speaker 1: go home. Look up, Look up Bob doing a lip
Speaker 1: sync to God Warrior, God Warrior and the Wife Swap.
Speaker 1: Remember that Wife Swap episode where she was like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, what a very religious Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: So he does a lip sync mixed to that, and
Speaker 1: then he does a lip sync mixed to Slave for
Speaker 1: You by Britney Spears with Chris Rock stand up about
Speaker 1: slavery and it's the most genius. It's a genius so
Speaker 1: so funny and uh, it's it's just fantastic. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, god, Bob was great on Two Dope Queens.
Speaker 1: That energy was yeah, um, oh my god, Phoebe so
Speaker 1: tell us. I don't know, this is like slightly cloying,
Speaker 1: but I mean we're we're, we're, we're we're charting new
Speaker 1: waters in the podcast world podcast queen. Yes, So was
Speaker 1: this something because we started doing this and it was
Speaker 1: just like this will be for us, but like, what's
Speaker 1: the teams like? So when you started getting into it, yeah,
Speaker 1: were you just like this will be for fun? Or
Speaker 1: was that? Yeah? I mean even before I started with
Speaker 1: w y C, I used to do a podcast out
Speaker 1: of my apartment in Brooklyn that like maybe a hundred
Speaker 1: people listened to and I was just interviewing people and
Speaker 1: I just had fun doing it. It was like I
Speaker 1: just want to hang out with funny people and that
Speaker 1: was it. And then when I teamed up with Jess
Speaker 1: and Two Dope queens. We really just wanted to be
Speaker 1: representing different voices and then saying with like so many
Speaker 1: white guys, I just really wanted to interview people that
Speaker 1: I thought were brilliant and hilarious and weren't getting enough
Speaker 1: shine or like I felt like weren't being asked enough
Speaker 1: great questions and interviews, and that really is what it's about.
Speaker 1: Like people get booked, but then they get asked fucking bullshit. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I felt like a lot of Janet Mock was just
Speaker 1: like so you're you're a woman now, and it was
Speaker 1: just like there's so you know what I mean. I
Speaker 1: just felt so reductive and like this miss been away
Speaker 1: and just kind of like putting her into other category.
Speaker 1: It's like there's more to her than just transitioning to
Speaker 1: her who she really is, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: And I just felt like people were just kind of
Speaker 1: not respecting that or honoring her talent or her intelligence,
Speaker 1: and so I just really wanted to stop that. That's fantastic.
Speaker 1: I remember going to the two Dip Queen's launch party
Speaker 1: in the Green Space. Oh my god, that's right. So
Speaker 1: I was there and I got the hook up. This
Speaker 1: is before we like I this is before we knew
Speaker 1: each other, but like I had seen you do stand
Speaker 1: up and then Shaun Womer swarm at Yeah. So she
Speaker 1: and I did a show together and then he was like,
Speaker 1: come to this premier party. It's it's gonna be this
Speaker 1: great new podcast. I was like cool, So he went
Speaker 1: and then you you guys came out and then that
Speaker 1: it was an event hacked and then Phoebe wore this
Speaker 1: like amazing red dress from Forever one. I don't want
Speaker 1: to like, just don't take this the wrong way. You
Speaker 1: look snatched, you like amazing, and I think you walked
Speaker 1: up on stage and you get and you said and
Speaker 1: I'll never forget this. You said, um, I can't do
Speaker 1: anything in this stress except get laid. And I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't remember saying that. That's so that's such a
Speaker 1: good line. I did not get late at night. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, you know sometimes I'm single, just you are single?
Speaker 1: So yeah, can I tell you what I heard about today? What? Yeah, Rya,
Speaker 1: I'm wait listed. I've been wait listed for a year
Speaker 1: and a half. Why would they wait? Like, I don't know.
Speaker 1: And I have a friend who got on Riya and
Speaker 1: used me as a reference and I'm still not allowed on.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's that's bullshit for those of you
Speaker 1: who don't know it, because I didn't know this, But
Speaker 1: Riya is like a dating after famous people for famous people,
Speaker 1: like for creatives, really really creatives. Yea for like notable creatives.
Speaker 1: And Phoebe Robinson is not call your mother fucking senators.
Speaker 1: That's bullshit right in call and you know what, don't
Speaker 1: email Diane, find guys, get on it. Get on it,
Speaker 1: Kirsty Brand maybe um, maybe vote on Phoebe. Wait, someone
Speaker 1: who's us a reference? That's that's crazy. So someone is
Speaker 1: working on it, so hopefully all happen. But I heard
Speaker 1: that it's I've heard mixed things. I heard that it's
Speaker 1: just like every other day app where there's a lot
Speaker 1: of turns to yeah, I'm sure. I know. I'm a romantic.
Speaker 1: I just want to meet in personally, honestly. That's how
Speaker 1: Henry and I met, And I was the only way
Speaker 1: I was looking. How did you guys we met? When
Speaker 1: we met? Um, Josh Sharper Aaron Jackson do a show
Speaker 1: in New York called Gay Show for All People and
Speaker 1: their pianist is Henry Koperski, and I was on the
Speaker 1: show doing a set, and that was when at the
Speaker 1: very first time, and actually I was on that show
Speaker 1: with a lot of Glazer and who I had known
Speaker 1: like several years prior because she was in a video
Speaker 1: that my sketch group did, and so I was reconnecting
Speaker 1: with her. And it was so funny because I was
Speaker 1: so excited to see her because I hadn't seen her
Speaker 1: in years, and also I was like just pumped to
Speaker 1: see a lot of perform So I was catching up,
Speaker 1: not even catching up because we weren't like friends, like
Speaker 1: kind of knew each other, but I was like picking
Speaker 1: her brain a little bit, talking to her, and this
Speaker 1: whole time out of the corner of my eye, I
Speaker 1: was like, but also that piano player though, but also
Speaker 1: like and I always clocked Henry, but he had a
Speaker 1: boyfriend at the time, and then they broke up and
Speaker 1: three days later we got together. We were good together
Speaker 1: ever since. How have you guys been together? Just hit up?
Speaker 1: Two years? Oh my god, congratulations, Beautiful is the best.
Speaker 1: But what I'm saying is I always in the back
Speaker 1: of my head was like, yeah, please God, let me
Speaker 1: meet someone in real life. But I was looking on
Speaker 1: the apps I'm holding out for John Hamm. Yeah. O,
Speaker 1: my god, you did the podcast, like you know there
Speaker 1: was a connection, and there was a connection. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: have that. I would ask this SIMI serious question, and
Speaker 1: it supplies to both of you, tell three of us,
Speaker 1: to everybody in this room. Okay, But with Ryan, if
Speaker 1: it's for creatives, how do we feel about dating people
Speaker 1: in the creative world? Because I was talking to someone
Speaker 1: about like about this and they and they were like, oh,
Speaker 1: I would never want to date another person tangentially even
Speaker 1: in my field, because they would just be this competitive thing.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing specifically with Riot, it's not just creatives
Speaker 1: in terms of like writers and actors and communities like
Speaker 1: Amy Schumer met her like a woodworker. Boys, Yeah, under
Speaker 1: the under the umbrella of creat like if you're an entrepreneur,
Speaker 1: like on your own business, you know that sort of thing.
Speaker 1: If you're not like an accountant, then you're then you
Speaker 1: qualify basically can't just be working at the desk. Um.
Speaker 1: But for me, it's like, when I was looking around,
Speaker 1: I just didn't want to date someone that was doing
Speaker 1: exactly what I was doing, especially when you're dating another man,
Speaker 1: because then it's like you literally are coming for the
Speaker 1: same spot. Yeah, I wanted to avoid that because I know,
Speaker 1: like I might have some some deep seated competition. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I also want your thing to be your thing and
Speaker 1: not you know, you want to like date someone who
Speaker 1: like has different interests than you, so when you come home,
Speaker 1: you're not just talking about the same thing you know
Speaker 1: means you want. Yeah, I don't want a date a comedian.
Speaker 1: I will never do it again. I've done it in
Speaker 1: the past and my twos and I'm like, never again. Um,
Speaker 1: but I'm open to like a I'm like, I'm open
Speaker 1: to Michael B. Jordan, Like I'm open to I think
Speaker 1: I could be very open, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: I could be wide open and there I'll put it
Speaker 1: out there. Poppers oh um, but yeah, I think. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's so dread christ though for me, and so talented
Speaker 1: it's insane. Do you know who I love? Who? Um?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, oh my god, oh my god. Yeah
Speaker 1: they were all in a movie together, No, Michael, I
Speaker 1: mean yes, Um, are you're talking about Herschela? And yeah,
Speaker 1: and also who played at the end of the movie, Um, Kevin?
Speaker 1: Who grown up? Oh? He was I was super And
Speaker 1: also not for nothing but that was a hot movie.
Speaker 1: It gets it gets it gets credit for being a
Speaker 1: great movie, but also it doesn't get enough credit for
Speaker 1: being a hot movie. Um, I just watched it that
Speaker 1: h J. I was like, the h J was a
Speaker 1: moment and also you get you get a little an
Speaker 1: Oscar worthy hand job. Is that the only movie that's
Speaker 1: ever an Oscar winner where a hand drop was a
Speaker 1: full plot point? Maybe? I think so, yes, I think
Speaker 1: that that didn't happen in Black Swan Matts. Matt's like
Speaker 1: new latest fixture is the lead from Power from the
Speaker 1: Power Rangers. It's I haven't seen it, okay, so again
Speaker 1: the basic like like hot dude. It's like, he's a
Speaker 1: hot twenty two year old Australian who's obviously being starved
Speaker 1: named Dhacker montgomer Right. That name is too much, way
Speaker 1: too much. It's way too much and he's way too
Speaker 1: much but like to to do too much good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I was going to say, what's his name, Oh,
Speaker 1: Jesse Smollett, who's that he's Honestly, he's snuck up on
Speaker 1: me because in the beginning episodes of Empire, I was
Speaker 1: like no, and then later on I was like, yes,
Speaker 1: he can sing, he's so handsome, He's amazing. And then
Speaker 1: of course I always I always love my boys, my
Speaker 1: Justin Timber, like my Crispine. I'm a crisp Pine. Okay,
Speaker 1: which one is that that track? Because the right white
Speaker 1: Chris is it's hard to keep them all in check.
Speaker 1: He is Captain Kirk. Oh, I thought that was Chris Evans.
Speaker 1: Chris Evans is Captain America. I'm so sorry these hot
Speaker 1: straight white captain's name Chris Oh yeah yeah, Chris Pine. Yeah.
Speaker 1: That's a cute working like everything to me. And I
Speaker 1: wish I could get into Zachary Quinto, but I'm just not.
Speaker 1: He's I'm not a spot guy. I'm a Kirk guy,
Speaker 1: if you know what I mean. He's keute on his
Speaker 1: Instagram though, Zacharyyah, yeah, he's like he's like a cute,
Speaker 1: stylish kid. There you go, and you can go for that.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, yeah, Okay. Do you have a type or
Speaker 1: do you think the word that? I don't know. I
Speaker 1: think I like kind of. I think my type is
Speaker 1: changing because I'm I'm thirty two now and I think
Speaker 1: i'm because I have more self esteem now, I love
Speaker 1: myself more. I think it's changing anything. Before I was
Speaker 1: just kind of like thank you, just like thank you
Speaker 1: so much for like liking me, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: just like, oh, I'm so happy you want to date me.
Speaker 1: I'm just grateful to be in a relationship. And now
Speaker 1: I'm like, I want to day to boss. I want
Speaker 1: to date someone who reads. And it's funny obviously like
Speaker 1: super cute, but like I think I just want an
Speaker 1: involved man. You want somebody that can take care of
Speaker 1: themselves and has figured themselves out, exactly, trying to be
Speaker 1: the person who saves anybody not here for potential anymore. Sorry, Sorry,
Speaker 1: I can't. I'm done. If we can get Phoebe a
Speaker 1: man from this podcast, if you're out there, if you're
Speaker 1: an involved man, reach out like late thirties early that ye, Honestly,
Speaker 1: if anyone deserves an involved man, it's me and Phoebe. Yeah. Wait,
Speaker 1: how long have you been single? It's been almost my life. Well,
Speaker 1: the last time I date someone was like years ago,
Speaker 1: but like and then nothing's nothing's gone beyond like two
Speaker 1: three months. Yeah, it's hard, and I wouldn't consider myself
Speaker 1: ever having been in a relationship relationship. I've had things. Um,
Speaker 1: I was recently on our friend Farris podcast where it's
Speaker 1: called Psychic Hotline one dollar a minute. She brings on
Speaker 1: comedians and they talked to psychics sic. And that's my
Speaker 1: main question, my name. My main question was, Hey, um,
Speaker 1: I've just been dealing with this my whole life and
Speaker 1: people telling me all the time like, we'll work on
Speaker 1: yourself and then they'll come. But I've been like I've
Speaker 1: been I've been doing that for forever, like what like
Speaker 1: what gives? Like when's this going to happen? And then
Speaker 1: the psychic who may have been bat at her job
Speaker 1: because she just didn't really give me much, but she
Speaker 1: was like, you know what, I'm thinking, mid May, you'll
Speaker 1: get someone. And then um, and then she goes, I'm
Speaker 1: seeing September. By September, you'll be living together. And I
Speaker 1: was like, okay, that's some wild I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: that doesn't sound like me. That opens up a whole
Speaker 1: bunch of more questions. Books wrong with me? In June
Speaker 1: and July, that's that's a lot. I don't get together
Speaker 1: by September, pumped the brake four months days, moved fast
Speaker 1: but not stupid. Oh my god. Yeah. I was just
Speaker 1: like okay, and then I just like count like you're
Speaker 1: in there, like maybe I want a dog? And she
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, you know what, by the time you're
Speaker 1: moved into the pah, it was like next week, I
Speaker 1: gun said, you get a dog? Okay. I was like okay,
Speaker 1: thanks lady. And then her whole, her whole like adage
Speaker 1: for me was and she just had this like raspy,
Speaker 1: smoky voice and she was like, um, she was like,
Speaker 1: you know, just what I say is this is what
Speaker 1: you have to remember. Just say why not? Why not
Speaker 1: let myself have a dog and a boyfriend? And I
Speaker 1: was like, I kind of like pushed back. I was like,
Speaker 1: that doesn't really tell me anything. Well, so I have
Speaker 1: intov was seventeen times you because for for a literal
Speaker 1: fucking uh, you know, four month relationship before you move
Speaker 1: in Like that's not going to end well. But anyway,
Speaker 1: that's yeah, she's crazy. She's crazy. Yeah, hard pass, hard pass,
Speaker 1: hard pass for me on believing, oh meet too. And
Speaker 1: I even to you a believer and would you head up?
Speaker 1: Would you? I don't think I would, But I believe
Speaker 1: in other things. I could believe in aliens, yeah for sure,
Speaker 1: for sure. Here I believe in like the secret and
Speaker 1: like the universe and all that kind of like stuff.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Well I will only believe like that
Speaker 1: kind of new ag stuff when it comes. And I
Speaker 1: mean that it's not just because we were talking about
Speaker 1: her earlier, when it comes from Oprah, because she has
Speaker 1: another video where she says there are no mistakes. You
Speaker 1: know I'm talking about She's like, but there is that
Speaker 1: thing that pushes you along your path and will always
Speaker 1: set you right. And it's like, that's it. That's my religion.
Speaker 1: It's so true. Um. But then I but I like,
Speaker 1: I was very up front with this lady over the phone.
Speaker 1: I was like, by the way, this is my first
Speaker 1: time calling um, and I don't believe in astrology. I'm
Speaker 1: like not, but I'm just doing this for fun. Um.
Speaker 1: And meanwhile Fare was just sitting there like pitt and
Speaker 1: buttons and and and stuff. But anyway, UM, my boyfriend
Speaker 1: like for a second was like twining with the idea
Speaker 1: of like getting into numerology, and I was like, and
Speaker 1: then I sicked my best friend's studio on him, and
Speaker 1: she was like, if you have problems, you need to
Speaker 1: go to a therapist. Neurology is not it, That's it.
Speaker 1: That's true. He meditate, um phoebe before we move on
Speaker 1: any other little I know what, we didn't really talk
Speaker 1: about this that much, any little podcasting tips. I know,
Speaker 1: it's like such a silly here's a question for you.
Speaker 1: When you are about to interview someone, did you come
Speaker 1: with your question? Yeah. So we have like very small
Speaker 1: crew with so many white guys. But they'll do research
Speaker 1: and then they'll send me like the first round of questions.
Speaker 1: Then I go through and tweak them that at my
Speaker 1: own questions, and then I just kind of want to
Speaker 1: do the interview. I just kind of like follow wherever
Speaker 1: the interview goes. Yeah, that's the way you gotta do it,
Speaker 1: because Yeah, because especially when you're talking to people, like
Speaker 1: when I interviewed I don't know, my interviewed Tom Hanks.
Speaker 1: It was just like super fun and delightful, and I
Speaker 1: just kind of wanted to go wherever he wanted to
Speaker 1: go because he was he was so good at playing Yeah,
Speaker 1: because he's done in a million times and I'm sure
Speaker 1: he wants He felt it very refreshing. Yeah, I just
Speaker 1: have this kind of like candid conversation exactly. The most
Speaker 1: Tom Hanks, No, the most nervous. I was was with
Speaker 1: one was with Strangely enough, the comedians, like Margaret Cho
Speaker 1: I was very nervous with her, Um Mike bro big
Speaker 1: Leia was pretty nerves and I don't know why. But
Speaker 1: with the comedians, I just really want to do a
Speaker 1: good job. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I don't want to
Speaker 1: be like, oh I'm not able to be funny with them.
Speaker 1: I don't know. It was just like really like but
Speaker 1: it was great. Like Margaret was so funny and smart,
Speaker 1: just delightful. I was like, girl, just relax. I'm so glad.
Speaker 1: She's like she's coming back. Maybe she's never been gone.
Speaker 1: But like in terms of like formative comedic influences, well,
Speaker 1: here's the thing is, I was never I didn't want
Speaker 1: to get into stand up like it was never a
Speaker 1: comedy was never my thing. Like I thought I was
Speaker 1: going to write like very serious films. Yeah, I was
Speaker 1: like American Beauty, I'm gonna write like that floating trash
Speaker 1: bag scene. Like that's like what I wanted. And so
Speaker 1: then when I started, you know, taking stand up class,
Speaker 1: and I kind of went back and I watched like
Speaker 1: Margaret Show and Chris Rock Generous and all those people
Speaker 1: so I really had to play catch up. But yeah,
Speaker 1: she is great. I mean it's but like her specials
Speaker 1: that watched, they were great, Uh yeah, like Wanda Sykes
Speaker 1: and just people like that, just really smart. Like I
Speaker 1: really liked Patrise O'Neil. I didn't agree with like thirty
Speaker 1: five percent of what he said, but he was so funny.
Speaker 1: He was always coming from a place of like his truth,
Speaker 1: which I thought was like very authentic and real and
Speaker 1: wasn't necessarily about like putting anyone down. It was more
Speaker 1: about how he sees the world. And even he's like
Speaker 1: kind of a little backwards gender wise, it's still kind
Speaker 1: of felt like, oh, this is coming from a place
Speaker 1: of not like women are just doom cunes. Like it
Speaker 1: was never that, you know what I mean. Did you
Speaker 1: watch the chall stuff? I did? I mean it's you know,
Speaker 1: I have I haven't watched that and I haven't haven't
Speaker 1: watched it yet because I'm like, I just yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I still have. I still have a lot of respect
Speaker 1: for him. It's it's weird to reconcile. It's like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, it's it's it's it's it's very complicated. But
Speaker 1: I think some of his stuff was funny. I think
Speaker 1: some of his queer stuff, I just think he's behind
Speaker 1: and I feel like so many jokes, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: if he just replaced like instead of gay or trans
Speaker 1: and replace like a black person, I don't think he
Speaker 1: would make that joke, sure, totally. But meanwhile, it's like
Speaker 1: that's so funny that people think that that is like
Speaker 1: a viable option because meanwhile, you have and I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna like shout out you and Jessica. It's like, well,
Speaker 1: YouTube youtubo on stage just like talk about yourselves and
Speaker 1: celebrate yourselves. And it's like just do that, yeah, and
Speaker 1: it's more fun and it's like good for everybody. It's
Speaker 1: more interesting to turn it in word yeah, And I
Speaker 1: think if you're going in I don't know. It's just
Speaker 1: like I don't think I would ever do trans material
Speaker 1: because it's like I'm not intelligent enough to talk about
Speaker 1: it yet. And that's okay, you know what he means.
Speaker 1: And like sometimes it's like you, the best thing that
Speaker 1: you can do is not be the voice of it,
Speaker 1: just passed into an actual transperson and have them do
Speaker 1: the comedy. And that's better than you, like trying to
Speaker 1: figure it out as like as this person and like
Speaker 1: really like do it poorly, you know, especially because it's
Speaker 1: always changing. Yeah, it's sometimes I think about like how
Speaker 1: far we've come in like five or six years even
Speaker 1: and we thought we were like nailing it in two
Speaker 1: thousand nine, It's like there was still like garbage happening,
Speaker 1: like the amount of the amount of like like frustrating
Speaker 1: like gay joke he saw like network television, like they
Speaker 1: only just are disappearing now, that is true, and it's
Speaker 1: very like like sometimes you go back and watch you
Speaker 1: like watch like Friends or something like the amount of
Speaker 1: gay panic on that show. It was like what and
Speaker 1: even it's crazy even on Will and Grace, like that
Speaker 1: was just what you guys feel about because so from
Speaker 1: the outside, I go, oh, it was a little backwards,
Speaker 1: but I think it was like a great first step.
Speaker 1: But do you feel that are you kind of like nah,
Speaker 1: like was not. I don't think it's bad that it existed.
Speaker 1: I think it's it was such a funny show and
Speaker 1: I think it like it was It got people talking
Speaker 1: about like what it must be like to be gay,
Speaker 1: and it got people like on the side of gay
Speaker 1: people because they were able to laugh with gay people. However,
Speaker 1: what I think it did contribute to, perhaps unknowingly, was
Speaker 1: this thing of like you're either a Will or a Jack.
Speaker 1: And because they were the only two real gay people
Speaker 1: on like mainstream network television, so it was like, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, people were getting asked by their aunts and
Speaker 1: uncles like that were coming if you were coming out
Speaker 1: of the closets or you were a Will or a Jack,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like you're either this or
Speaker 1: you're that, or you're either a man like a woman.
Speaker 1: And because I think it was so important to the
Speaker 1: comedy of that show that we had that duality, like
Speaker 1: it just ended up yeah, I know you mean. Also,
Speaker 1: it also kind of bothered me that Will like he never, like,
Speaker 1: I don't think his relationships were ever explored as deeply
Speaker 1: as Graces were. And that always bothered me because I
Speaker 1: was like I and Debor Messing was like a goddess
Speaker 1: on that show. She was like hysterical, but I'm like,
Speaker 1: I just like Eric McCormick, just you could see there
Speaker 1: was so much she could do if they just gave
Speaker 1: him like a really needy, substantial relationship, and they didn't
Speaker 1: do that. Also, McCormick is a straight man. And that's
Speaker 1: also another thing is it's just like you know again,
Speaker 1: like and that you know, it's not too long ago
Speaker 1: that we were like, don't worry, he's actually straight, and
Speaker 1: real life like, don't worry, audiences of America, he's actually straight.
Speaker 1: It's funny. And also Sean Hayes was saying he was
Speaker 1: straight at the time. I know, and that that's crazy.
Speaker 1: But it's also like I don't know what I would
Speaker 1: do and position at that time. It's like really hard.
Speaker 1: It was probably wasn't just his decision, did you like
Speaker 1: I loved well and grace and um, but I'm but yeah,
Speaker 1: thinking about Shawn Hay's it's like he probably had his
Speaker 1: raps being like you cannot absolutely it didn't matter that
Speaker 1: he played like the gayest of all gay caricatures. It
Speaker 1: was still going to be a bad situation that he
Speaker 1: was Yeah, totally totally. Um. Before we move on to
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey, phoebe Um, can we just
Speaker 1: have a general convo how how how are you so
Speaker 1: excited for I lived, Dick? Are you so excited for Portlandia?
Speaker 1: Like what's what's what's what's like coming down the pike
Speaker 1: that you want to talk about. Yeah, so I Loved
Speaker 1: Dick comes out May twelve. I don't know if this
Speaker 1: is going up before or after that, probably right around
Speaker 1: that really excited Kevin Bacon, Katherine Haky. Katherine is amazing,
Speaker 1: so sweet, and Kevin is just like he's like the night. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I just laughed because I like would avoid I contact
Speaker 1: with him so much. That was so intimidated by him,
Speaker 1: and like now I'm like, oh, that's kind of a
Speaker 1: person like saying. I was like, he's so cool and
Speaker 1: funny and like really good at his job and like
Speaker 1: he's hot, and I was like, I'm just going to
Speaker 1: go be a comedian the corner. He's an amazing actor.
Speaker 1: He's so good and everyone says how wonderful he is
Speaker 1: just to be around, and what a good person he is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think when you've been famous for that longer, like
Speaker 1: I don't care that I'm famous, like living my life. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And they raised an amazing daughter, Socie, who's my friend.
Speaker 1: I love her and she's on thirteen Reasons Why, and
Speaker 1: everyone should watch Reasons. The show's heavy. I hear it's
Speaker 1: a very rough and a friend of mine, Julia mcnell
Speaker 1: writes on and I shout out. Julia writes on it,
Speaker 1: Oh that's so cool, but I heard it's very yeah,
Speaker 1: but also but also good. Sometimes we need to talk
Speaker 1: about it. Oh my god, what's Jill like? Cute? She's
Speaker 1: like really cool and funny and sweet and like she's
Speaker 1: she's a genius, Like she's really able to like pinpoint
Speaker 1: how to make something better and you're just like, WHOA,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be like that, you know at her age
Speaker 1: and Portland is great to like. Fred and Carry are
Speaker 1: just so funny and really sweet and they're great leaders.
Speaker 1: I just really feel like this year I'm just able
Speaker 1: to work with people who were just really there's like
Speaker 1: no bullshit, there's no drama. Everyone is just like we're
Speaker 1: here to do a job and it's fun and then
Speaker 1: we can go home. And I like that great to
Speaker 1: just not be disappointed by those people that you have
Speaker 1: looked up to and have to look up to you
Speaker 1: in a professional setting. Yeah, they're just like facilitating your
Speaker 1: growth and your success. That's awesome. Yeah. So it's been good.
Speaker 1: And I just sold my second book. We're just saying, yeah,
Speaker 1: can you tease? Well, it's going to be another essay
Speaker 1: collection one one essay, it's called white Nonsense. So um,
Speaker 1: I think it's going to be super fun. We're trying
Speaker 1: to figure out a title right now, and yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna start writing it. I guess next month. This is
Speaker 1: why I'm single. I'm like, I'm just going to keep
Speaker 1: working and like, hopefully my husband will find me. Yeah, honestly,
Speaker 1: it is. It has happened, It's happening. I just don't
Speaker 1: want to be like Katherine Heigl in Seven Dresses. No,
Speaker 1: but then she ended up. Who was the James Marson
Speaker 1: He's the one. He's the one because he can act,
Speaker 1: he can see, he can dance, Oh my god. Honestly,
Speaker 1: he's the kind of guy that you know, smells good. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: I agree with absolutely absolutely Last World that I haven't
Speaker 1: seen it yet, recommend. The first few episodes are hard
Speaker 1: because some feasing or no in terms of this subject matter,
Speaker 1: it's like, fuck, it's like another HBO show. There's going
Speaker 1: to be another HBO show, which is but then that
Speaker 1: flips it on its head and actually becomes about that
Speaker 1: and it's amazing. Again it's West World. And I have
Speaker 1: to give big ups to HBO because they have kind
Speaker 1: of taking this criticism that's like, Yo, a lot of
Speaker 1: women get raped and murdered and beat up in your shows,
Speaker 1: and they've kind of really taken that narrative and now
Speaker 1: they make shows that are about that. But it's it
Speaker 1: really um kind of just make society look at itself
Speaker 1: like big what Big Little Lies did? Like where where
Speaker 1: you know, people ask what is that show about? And
Speaker 1: you start describing it and everyone's like, that sounds like
Speaker 1: every other stupid show about like rich white women like
Speaker 1: fighting with each other. But really it's a show about
Speaker 1: domestic violence and how that ripples through a community and
Speaker 1: affects everyone. For the worst. West World is about like
Speaker 1: how violence is entertainment and it's specially violence against women
Speaker 1: as entertainment and what that does to the psyche and
Speaker 1: where it could lead and and it's and it's really Yeah,
Speaker 1: that sounds really fascinating, and it's also extremely well done.
Speaker 1: And probably maybe the best performance on television is Tandy
Speaker 1: Newton Tandy's it. Do you think that she should win?
Speaker 1: So they will be in different categories than all the
Speaker 1: big Little Lives ladies? And yes, I do absolutely. Although
Speaker 1: she's being she's this is breaking tea news, she's being
Speaker 1: campaigned as a lead actress in Westworld, and she's not
Speaker 1: the lead actress of the show, and she could flat
Speaker 1: out win the supporting actress category, but the best actress
Speaker 1: category is kind of being swept up by Claire Foy
Speaker 1: from The Crown. So I haven't seen it because I'm
Speaker 1: so bored of old British It's Nicole kidman, except it's
Speaker 1: an old British man. Yeah, so I think she's being
Speaker 1: she's being put in the wrong category, but I think
Speaker 1: that she's she should be showering around boards. There you go,
Speaker 1: you gotta and Tandy Newton has been people talk about
Speaker 1: people like sleeping on Laura durn like sleeping on it.
Speaker 1: You we've been sleeping on that's gonna be why. I
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey. That's the first one I've revealed
Speaker 1: my I don't think so, Honny it. But Phoebe, we're
Speaker 1: just saying it's happening for you and not necessarily for
Speaker 1: like someone to come and like like be your s O.
Speaker 1: We're just saying, like, you're doing so much, it's so cool,
Speaker 1: it's so inspiring to watch. We love you so much
Speaker 1: because you're a true creative powerhouse. I just want to
Speaker 1: have an empire and create my own shows and health
Speaker 1: facilitate other people to create their ship. And I just
Speaker 1: go back and sit back, like you just go crushing ye,
Speaker 1: like I know the beautiful ripple effect. I love that.
Speaker 1: I don't it's time for I don't think so honey.
Speaker 1: And of course, Phoebe recently did Our Lives show, which
Speaker 1: was so fun. That was all my period. I was
Speaker 1: so tired. I'm so sorry, but that's why that's why
Speaker 1: I left. I was watched all the end. But then
Speaker 1: I got into a lift immediately like look, no, no,
Speaker 1: you gotta go when you got to thank you so
Speaker 1: much for doing that. That was so so so great
Speaker 1: of you and iconic. I don't think so honey about
Speaker 1: women who put their braids up in a tall bun.
Speaker 1: It's so infuriating. It's like, I can't see this concert.
Speaker 1: No you can't, you can't come on. Just just think
Speaker 1: you think of the people around you, get the eyeline
Speaker 1: around you. Know what I just changed. I'm not going
Speaker 1: to do people who come frot handing because I just
Speaker 1: I just told you that you should be ashamed. I
Speaker 1: have someone else here. We go, you go first, because
Speaker 1: I'm still thinking I'm gonna go first. Matt Rodgers. I
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey. Time starts now. I don't think
Speaker 1: so honey, John Mayor, I don't care about your new album.
Speaker 1: You're disrespectful. You're very disrespectful. I don't care about about
Speaker 1: you and your music. I don't care about your winey
Speaker 1: ass was you have a low wine to your voice.
Speaker 1: You think that you're Bob Dylan. No, you know what, Honestly,
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. You being disrespectful to women,
Speaker 1: you spilled all the tea about women you've slept with.
Speaker 1: You are the equivalent of that person on Facebook who
Speaker 1: just wants the likes. You posted garbage, and you've been
Speaker 1: posting the same ship all the dude on day and
Speaker 1: you just you expect to get likes for it. Look,
Speaker 1: I can listen to this album right now. It could
Speaker 1: sound the same fucking ship as Continuum, And that's literally
Speaker 1: the only other album from Not True Room for Squares.
Speaker 1: John Mayer, I don't think some honey, you don't bring enough.
Speaker 1: I think you're seven out of town in terms of looks.
Speaker 1: It could be better if I want to listen to
Speaker 1: someone's strumma guitar, bring Jackson Moras, where are you at,
Speaker 1: Jackson Morra? I don't think so, Honey, John Mayer. I
Speaker 1: think so Jason Morra. And that's the one minute that
Speaker 1: was so good. I don't care about that. Continuum is
Speaker 1: so good. Continue album. I'll be okay. Really it's really good.
Speaker 1: But he is trash. He is true trash, and he
Speaker 1: was a racist piece of ship Tom and Johnny. That's true.
Speaker 1: He was. Camille tweeted this whole thing. You have to
Speaker 1: look it up. He because John Marred dabbles in stand
Speaker 1: up I guess hard passed, and like, oh he doesn't dabble.
Speaker 1: He's gone out and done it. He's done it. And
Speaker 1: then like he and Kamil are on the same bill
Speaker 1: when night. Isn't that the stupidest thing you've ever heard?
Speaker 1: But then like after the show, like I don't know
Speaker 1: what instigated it, but like they got into like a
Speaker 1: full on like war of words and like just fucking
Speaker 1: they got into it. So look that up. It's so
Speaker 1: distanct don't to go out and describe what sex was
Speaker 1: like with people, and everyone knows he but not that
Speaker 1: he explicitly described sex with people that like and like
Speaker 1: they weren't I don't know it was. That's a form
Speaker 1: of harassment. And also like then he got all pissed
Speaker 1: because Taylor Swift wrote like an indirect song about him.
Speaker 1: It's like please, he said, and spin don't act like
Speaker 1: you weren't on Howard Stern, like spilling the tea, like
Speaker 1: I don't like hypocrites. And he gets away with it
Speaker 1: because he's like a straight white dude. Sure, I mean
Speaker 1: I think for sure absolutely. Are you racking your brain
Speaker 1: trying to think you have a couple? You have to
Speaker 1: decide yeah, okay, okay, I don't come over you and
Speaker 1: you were just like, oh my god. He has fingers
Speaker 1: to temples and extremely amazing beautiful manicure white. Okay, so
Speaker 1: this is inspired by Christianner. She paints her nails white.
Speaker 1: I saw some keeping with the Kardashians. It's like the
Speaker 1: one super trash thing that I watched and I was like,
Speaker 1: I want to try this. This is the only thing
Speaker 1: from the Kardashian life I want to try and I
Speaker 1: like it. It works so well, maybe I need a
Speaker 1: lip Cattie. She's too much? Is that these are? And
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Speaker 1: with solid Well, you're gonna you want me to go
Speaker 1: into the trouball. No, no, no, go into the trouball. Yes,
Speaker 1: so everyone, But when I decided that it's times, are
Speaker 1: going to the trouball, of course, the trouball is um
Speaker 1: our pot pourri of pop culture topics. And he has
Speaker 1: to go negative on whatever I choose right now. And
Speaker 1: these are all universally loved in general university loved things.
Speaker 1: I really want to find something good. I want to
Speaker 1: find something that comes out of nowhere. Okay, okay, here
Speaker 1: we go, all right, Bowen yang your I don't think so,
Speaker 1: honey is about Mrs Claus and it starts now. I
Speaker 1: don't think so honey, misses Clause and whoever invented you,
Speaker 1: whatever fucking norse idiot invented you and Mrs Claus to
Speaker 1: be a feminized version of Santa Claus used at home
Speaker 1: being domestic as fuck. Look, I am third weighte feminist, honey,
Speaker 1: Yes I am, but I don't appreciate you just sitting
Speaker 1: at home and not rocking chair, knitting or whatever the
Speaker 1: fuck you're doing, Mrs Cloth. I don't think somebody, Mrs Clause,
Speaker 1: what are you doing the rest of the year when
Speaker 1: it's not Christmas? You better be reading some fucking Joan Didion.
Speaker 1: You better be reading some rock sand gay. I don't care,
Speaker 1: just better you. You better be reading and come correct
Speaker 1: to the Santa Claus and to teach him to be
Speaker 1: a better human being. I don't think somebody, Mrs Clause,
Speaker 1: where are you? We need to see you surface yourself.
Speaker 1: Where are you, Mrs Clause? We need more female representation
Speaker 1: during the holidays, And I don't think somebody you stay
Speaker 1: stay just sitting in front of the fucking uh fireplace
Speaker 1: mantle and just thinking that you can just get away
Speaker 1: with just being domestic as fun. You asked where are you?
Speaker 1: We know where she is, but I'm saying, where is she?
Speaker 1: In the conversation. We don't talk about her, Okay, alrighty,
Speaker 1: welcome is obviously high. This is like so scary, No,
Speaker 1: you're gonna pull that right over there. But it's like
Speaker 1: so scary, No, it's not scary, phobe. You're gonna nail
Speaker 1: You nailed it the first time you've done this before. Dope,
Speaker 1: Queen fee but also the track this is, I don't
Speaker 1: Phoebe Robinson's I don't think so, honey. Time starts now,
Speaker 1: I don't think so. Lift drivers who are not based
Speaker 1: in New York do not ask me to sit in
Speaker 1: the front passenger seat with you. They are not driving
Speaker 1: to Coachella together. Hi, I'm trying to go home and
Speaker 1: take this plan b pill. Okay. Also, learn how to
Speaker 1: pronounce my name. Don't say Phoebe and it's Bob. I've
Speaker 1: been on charm, Phoebe from Charmed, Phoebe from Friends, Phoebe
Speaker 1: from Catcher and the Raight honey. Also what also, hey,
Speaker 1: you're you're fucking like music choice. It's just Ryan Seacrass
Speaker 1: and Jason Derulo fucking ain't smokers, honey. I don't think
Speaker 1: so paris, I don't think so closer. I am done.
Speaker 1: I cannot so. I can't also cannot with the Please
Speaker 1: rate me five stars, bitch, I will rate you what
Speaker 1: I want to rate you. Get out my life. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, you spoke for us all and you threw
Speaker 1: in there and I don't think so honey. For the
Speaker 1: chain smokers, oh my god, I'm so done with the
Speaker 1: chain smokers. I was never started to them for like
Speaker 1: a solid two months, and I was like, oh no,
Speaker 1: I got I got duped I got you got dukes there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're like they're just like bros. Yeah, imagine to John Mayers,
Speaker 1: who can like use garage band. I just actually actually,
Speaker 1: I mean actually I'm dead now. I just jumped out
Speaker 1: the way. Okay, Oh my god, you guys, this has
Speaker 1: been such a good episode to Oh, come on, what's
Speaker 1: coming and we just want to hang with you. Well,
Speaker 1: let's when we all are back in New York. Can
Speaker 1: we just do a fun slumber party? Not at my apartment,
Speaker 1: says I look far away. Oh god, we love listen.
Speaker 1: Phoebe has so much coming up, so you're going to
Speaker 1: see her everywhere and don't worry about that. And I
Speaker 1: think this is going to be premiering right for the
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Speaker 1: This has been the last culture this podcast. And next
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Speaker 1: us is Phoebe Robinson. This has been so fun. Thank you,
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