WEBVTT - Civic Cipher 061122 Another Deadly Week/Weekend in America (Part 1)

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to another episode of CIDK Cipher. I'm your host,

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<v Speaker 1>Rams's joh I go by.

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<v Speaker 2>The name q Ward most of the time, but not

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<v Speaker 2>all of the time because sometimes my mom calls me

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<v Speaker 2>quinn Ton with an extra emphasis on the O, because

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<v Speaker 2>I might be in trouble a little bit, even at

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<v Speaker 2>forty years old.

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<v Speaker 1>Well that's the way the game goes. I'm mad at

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<v Speaker 1>that at all. Stick around because we got a good

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<v Speaker 1>show lined up. We're going to do some thinking today

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<v Speaker 1>and we would like your help in participating in this

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<v Speaker 1>thought experiment. We're going to talk about guns as is

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<v Speaker 1>necessary right about now.

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<v Speaker 2>Unfortunately, Yeah, absolutely, but yeah, We're going to talk about

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<v Speaker 2>another deadly weekend and week filled with mass shootings in

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<v Speaker 2>this country.

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<v Speaker 1>We're also going to talk about legislation and really what's

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<v Speaker 1>standing in the way and what we can do about it,

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<v Speaker 1>and really just kind of deal with the reality of

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<v Speaker 1>the guns in this country. This is obviously a national issue,

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<v Speaker 1>but as you'll find out that this, like many other things,

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<v Speaker 1>disproportionately affects black and brown people in this country, and

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<v Speaker 1>poor people and poor.

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<v Speaker 2>People, which is why there's likely not going to be

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<v Speaker 2>anything done about it. But Ram is going to keep

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<v Speaker 2>you guys hopeful.

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<v Speaker 1>That's my job and it's not just lip service. I

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<v Speaker 1>do believe that we can make progress, but it starts

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<v Speaker 1>with conversations like these, and hopefully we're doing our part.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, when we meet our maker, our maker won't

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<v Speaker 1>be able to say we didn't do anything.

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<v Speaker 2>We did something.

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<v Speaker 1>We did what we could and hopefully, with your support,

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<v Speaker 1>we can actually see some real change in the world.

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<v Speaker 1>Today's show is brought to you by Ms Maggie aka

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<v Speaker 1>Maggie B Knowing yes she does.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you are mad at us, you can blame her.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not right. She didn't deserve that. But first and foremost,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll start where we always do with some ebony excellence.

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<v Speaker 2>How does that sound cute? Shall we? We shall?

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<v Speaker 1>This one is brought to you by Armadale Vodka and

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<v Speaker 1>we are going to talk about Lebron James. The story

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<v Speaker 1>comes from CNN. We now have a new black billionaire,

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<v Speaker 1>Lebron Gi Yes, indeed, and this is marking the first

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<v Speaker 1>time an active NBA player has achieved that milestone. According

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<v Speaker 1>to one calculation, Forbes said that the Los Angeles Lakers

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<v Speaker 1>star has maximized his business, generating more than one point

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<v Speaker 1>two billion dollars in pre tax earnings. His NBA salary

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<v Speaker 1>from three different teams during the past nineteen years has

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<v Speaker 1>amounted to three hundred and eighty three million dollars, and

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<v Speaker 1>James has raked in upwards of nine hundred million dollars

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<v Speaker 1>in income from endorsements and other business ventures. In addition

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<v Speaker 1>to lucrative endorsement deals with Nike, at and T, Pepsi

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<v Speaker 1>and Walmart, Forbes said that James structured his deal to

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<v Speaker 1>include equity in those brands, giving him a quote cut

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<v Speaker 1>of the upside instead of a quick paycheck in quote

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<v Speaker 1>keep that.

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<v Speaker 2>In mind, kids.

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<v Speaker 1>The four time NBA champion also has investments in fitness

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<v Speaker 1>startup Tonal, ride sharing company Lift and eatery upstart Blaze, Pizza, Lebronto, GQ.

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<v Speaker 1>In a twenty fourteen interview, quote, it's my biggest milestone. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to maximize my business, and if I happened

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<v Speaker 1>to get it, I happened to be a billion.

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<v Speaker 2>Dollar athlete.

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<v Speaker 1>Hip hoay, Oh my god, I'm going to be excited. Quote.

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<v Speaker 1>So that is obviously a tremendous achievement. And then all

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<v Speaker 1>of the philanthropic things that he does He's not just

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<v Speaker 1>a billionaire. I don't mean to throw anybody under the bus,

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<v Speaker 1>but there is other NBA billionaires too, I think one particular,

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<v Speaker 1>and Lebron James, in my estimation, is doing more for

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<v Speaker 1>the black community and for poor people than I've ever

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<v Speaker 1>seen before. So not only because he's a billionaire, but

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<v Speaker 1>because we believe it would be a good man.

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<v Speaker 2>So far, he deserves some ebony excellence today. Shout out

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<v Speaker 2>to the King. Nine hundred million and endorsements and not

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<v Speaker 2>playing keep going anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>Now we must talk about another deadly week and weekend

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<v Speaker 1>in America.

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<v Speaker 2>We be driving toward the sun with a smile on

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<v Speaker 2>our face and here comes this detour and we got

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<v Speaker 2>to make this left. And man, it's hard to brace

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<v Speaker 2>for it, like even though we know it's coming. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it is hard to brace for it. Man. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So obviously you know, to Q's point, we are thinking

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<v Speaker 1>feeling individuals. You know, the reason you're hearing us on

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<v Speaker 1>your radio stations right now is because we are broadcasters.

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<v Speaker 1>We're DJs, like actual DJs with Vinyl and serato and

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<v Speaker 1>play music for people to dance to, that sort of stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>We have this skill set to where we can put

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<v Speaker 1>together programming. We have a great show producer, and we

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<v Speaker 1>have beating hearts, and we feel things, and so obviously

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<v Speaker 1>covering these subjects is a very difficult thing to do

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<v Speaker 1>week in and week out, but we feel it's necessary.

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<v Speaker 1>So we appreciate you sticking with us as we kind

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<v Speaker 1>of comb through these things and try to make sense

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<v Speaker 1>of it. We feel it's important, and obviously, by your listening,

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<v Speaker 1>you feel it's important as well. With that said, anytime

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<v Speaker 1>we discuss the loss of life, we try not to

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<v Speaker 1>become desensitized to it, and we also try not to

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<v Speaker 1>become overwhelmed by it. We deal with this quite a bit.

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<v Speaker 1>We have to watch these videos, we have to read

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<v Speaker 1>these stories, we have to listen to these mothers and

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<v Speaker 1>these families that are left behind. And I wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>acknowledge what you were saying to you, that this detour is.

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<v Speaker 1>It should never be normalized. But we appreciate the support

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<v Speaker 1>of all of our listeners, and if this is your

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<v Speaker 1>first time tuning into the show, you'll understand why we

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<v Speaker 1>made that statement. So the first thing we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>discuss comes to us from twelve News in the Bronx.

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<v Speaker 1>The headline reads three other States saw active shootings at

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<v Speaker 1>the same time as the mass shooting at the Tulsa

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<v Speaker 1>Hospital complex. So the big story, recent, big recent mass

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<v Speaker 1>shooting story was that a man was not happy with

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<v Speaker 1>his medication that he was subscribe prescribed. I think that's

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<v Speaker 1>the word, not subscribed, by the way, be sure to subscribe.

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<v Speaker 1>He went and got a gun, went and shot up

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<v Speaker 1>a hospital, right, And I think that we should say

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<v Speaker 1>this here. This shooter was a black man, and the

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<v Speaker 1>primary target of this shooting was a black doctor. So,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we never like to make things black and

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<v Speaker 1>white issues if we don't have to. On this show,

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<v Speaker 1>we do realize that the overwhelming number of the larger

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<v Speaker 1>mass shooting incidents that we see on the news are

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<v Speaker 1>usually carried out by white men. But we do feel

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<v Speaker 1>like when we get to the point where we're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about the way to address these things, that it could

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<v Speaker 1>help prevent these tragedies happening from people from all different

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<v Speaker 1>colors and all walks of life. You know, the access

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<v Speaker 1>to firearms and mental health, you know, those sorts of things.

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<v Speaker 1>We're all humans at the end of the day, so

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<v Speaker 1>we all got to kind of pass through those same checkpoints.

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<v Speaker 1>Hopefully it'll read out everyone's that's my hope. However, I

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<v Speaker 1>want to read on. A gunman killed four people Wednesday

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<v Speaker 1>during a shooting inside the Also, Oklahoma hospital. An inmate

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<v Speaker 1>receiving treatment at a high at a hospital in Dayton, Ohio,

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<v Speaker 1>shot and killed a security guard before shooting himself near

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<v Speaker 1>the hospital entrance. A person was shot outside of Walmart

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<v Speaker 1>in Pittston, Pennsylvania, during what police called an attempted homicide.

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<v Speaker 1>And a student was shot Wednesday afternoon outside of high

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<v Speaker 1>school in Valley Glen, California. And these weren't considered mass shootings,

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<v Speaker 1>but they all occurred at the same time. Like, so,

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<v Speaker 1>if you went and looked at the clock, this is

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<v Speaker 1>you know, all these people were dead from guns. People's

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<v Speaker 1>lives were cut short. We all agree that if if

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<v Speaker 1>a gun is involved, then a life was cut short.

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<v Speaker 2>And these are reported active shootings. Right, So that's one

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<v Speaker 2>way of looking at the deadly weekend. We'll move on.

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<v Speaker 1>This one also comes from CNN from graduation Parties to

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<v Speaker 1>a mall. Thirteen mass shootings over the weekend lead more

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<v Speaker 1>than a dozen dead and over seventy injured.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>It's important to remember that mass shootings don't often kill everyone,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they are wounded people. I was seeing a

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<v Speaker 1>story about a teacher in Uvalde, Texas. If you haven't

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<v Speaker 1>seen that clip, be sure to check it out. He's

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<v Speaker 1>a very passionate man who recounts his story. There was

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<v Speaker 1>also footage of an eleven year old who survived the

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<v Speaker 1>shooting involved day, and she had something to say as well.

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<v Speaker 1>And so there are people left behind that have to

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<v Speaker 1>pick up the pieces.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. The toughest thing rams about listening to a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of these stories that we've read about that were

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<v Speaker 2>highlighting and that we're talking about, is that it'd be

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<v Speaker 2>sad if there was a mass shooting, right if somebody

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<v Speaker 2>said the mass shooting that we'd all know what we

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<v Speaker 2>were talking about. That would be sad. What's way sadder?

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<v Speaker 2>Or I know what you mean? Forgive us people? I

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<v Speaker 2>think I might have made that word up, but you know,

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<v Speaker 2>more sad I think is the proper way to say that.

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<v Speaker 2>Either way, I guess that if someone in mixed company,

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<v Speaker 2>not here at the store, at the shopping mall, somebody

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<v Speaker 2>text you whatever, had you heard about the mass shooting? Now,

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<v Speaker 2>it takes you a minute to try to decipher which

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<v Speaker 2>one they were talking about you might even ask the question,

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<v Speaker 2>you might even have to ask which one that is

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<v Speaker 2>startling and also kind of not getting enough press. Well

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<v Speaker 2>to your point, that is exactly why we're doing today's show.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, when Maggie b Knowen came with the idea, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>we need to make sure to articulate and enumerate the

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<v Speaker 2>number of mass shootings that have taken place. We didn't

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<v Speaker 2>know ourselves how many had taken place. And we work

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<v Speaker 2>in news media now, for all intents and purposes, this

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<v Speaker 2>is what we do. And not only do we work

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<v Speaker 2>in news media, we work in this space very specifically. Yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's one of these things where it's really easy

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<v Speaker 1>to say, Okay, this thing happened in Texas, this thing

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<v Speaker 1>happened in Buffalo, this thing happened you know, And you

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<v Speaker 1>might live in Vermont, you might live in Oregon, you

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<v Speaker 1>might live in South Carolina, you might live in you know,

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<v Speaker 1>wherever it is that you live.

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<v Speaker 2>So a lot of times these stories might feel far

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<v Speaker 2>away from you.

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<v Speaker 1>But we really need to kind of heed the gravity

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<v Speaker 1>of the amount of gun violence in this country, and

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<v Speaker 1>we all need to work together to push for legislation.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, if there's I think there was somewhere in

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<v Speaker 1>the neighborhood of ninety percent of folks that wanted some

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<v Speaker 1>form of gun reform that were pulled. I'm thinking that

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<v Speaker 1>number needs to be closer to one hundred percent. I

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<v Speaker 1>get that there's never going to be one hundred percent

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<v Speaker 1>because there are people that you know, work at the NRA.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you're like.

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<v Speaker 1>Us, as I mentioned in the beginning of the show,

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<v Speaker 1>human beings with beating hearts and feelings who cringe at

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<v Speaker 1>the thought of wounded eleven year olds giving their testimony,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you know, we saw the speech that Matthew

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<v Speaker 1>McConaughey gave at the White House when he was talking

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<v Speaker 1>about the exit wounds on these children from an AR

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen style weapon, the exit wounds from a child, and

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<v Speaker 1>they couldn't That's why they couldn't identify the kids. They

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<v Speaker 1>had to use their clothes and their shoes and other

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<v Speaker 1>context clues to figure out whose babies these were in

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<v Speaker 1>this puddle of leftovers. We need to know the extent

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<v Speaker 1>to which this is happening so that we can ourselves

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<v Speaker 1>heed the gravity. And when I say we, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>Q but also those of you who choose to tune

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<v Speaker 1>in and listen to the show every week.

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<v Speaker 2>I often go back and forth with you Rams, and

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<v Speaker 2>you know this about the gravity of covering this type

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<v Speaker 2>of content so constantly, not just the effect that it

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<v Speaker 2>has on us, but the potential effect that could have

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<v Speaker 2>on listeners, and not just a traumatic effect, but like

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<v Speaker 2>a man for real, every week, y'all going to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about this stuff, kind of like an exhaustion of it, right,

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<v Speaker 2>But then I think about conversations that we've had and

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that we might be the only people in

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<v Speaker 2>the space having these conversations constantly. Tupac One spoke about

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<v Speaker 2>the reason why his art was so tragic, if you will,

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<v Speaker 2>and he compared it to the photo journalist that covered Vietnam.

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<v Speaker 2>Had the people here not been able to see how

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<v Speaker 2>bad it was, that war may have never stopped. The

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<v Speaker 2>support of people back home wanting that war to end

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<v Speaker 2>was good because people had to go over there and

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<v Speaker 2>show us how bad it was. And he thought that

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<v Speaker 2>if he could continue, you know, why you talk about

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<v Speaker 2>women that way? And why do you why do you

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<v Speaker 2>give violence such a big platform? Why do you point

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<v Speaker 2>out all these or celebrate all these horrible things about

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<v Speaker 2>the communities that you're in. He's like, I'm not celebrating it,

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<v Speaker 2>but I feel like if I talk about it enough

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<v Speaker 2>and people hear how bad it was, they'll want to

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<v Speaker 2>do something about it. They'll want to change it. And

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of understand our responsibility in this space. As

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<v Speaker 2>exhausting as it may be to hear about it, as

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<v Speaker 2>mentally and emotionally draining as it may be for us

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about it, it's kind of necessary. People do

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<v Speaker 2>need to get tired of hearing us talking about people

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<v Speaker 2>being murdered and all of the very difficult things that we.

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<v Speaker 1>Have to talk about so often. I appreciate you saying that,

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<v Speaker 1>and obviously that's kind of what we're hoping for.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, we like.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of you listening, you know, like people in your

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<v Speaker 1>own communities, people that you know have large stages and

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<v Speaker 1>so forth. We saw a need, we saw no one

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<v Speaker 1>else was meeting that need, and we tried to meet

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<v Speaker 1>that need the best we could, and in doing so,

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<v Speaker 1>we've been learning how to deliver this content to you

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<v Speaker 1>in a way that is engaging but also informative, and

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<v Speaker 1>at the same time trying not to overwhelm ourselves with

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<v Speaker 1>black death, you know, not to succumb to.

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<v Speaker 2>The fullness of the black experience in this country.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, we'd be the first to admit Q and

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<v Speaker 1>I would be the first to admit that we have

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<v Speaker 1>had many opportunities that many black people don't get. We

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<v Speaker 1>have had stories that are very different from the stories

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<v Speaker 1>of the people born in the same exact circumstances as us.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, with these gifts comes the responsibility that

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes looks like a show called Civic Cipher. And so

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate you saying that, and everyone listening to the

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<v Speaker 1>show every week that feels the same way. We appreciate that.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll continue. The US has suffered at least two hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and forty six mass shootings in twenty twenty two. According

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<v Speaker 1>to the Gun Violence Archive. The country is on pace

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<v Speaker 1>to match or surpass last year's total, which was the

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<v Speaker 1>worst on record. In twenty twenty one hundred and sixty

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<v Speaker 1>one mass shootings through June fifth. In twenty nineteen, it

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<v Speaker 1>was one hundred and fifty four, So we're well ahead

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<v Speaker 1>of schedule here as far as mass shootings. This next

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<v Speaker 1>tidbit comes from NPR. Firearms overtook auto accidents as the

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<v Speaker 1>leading cause of death in children.

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<v Speaker 2>So that should be enough, right when we talk about legislation,

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<v Speaker 2>when we talk about action, when we talk about just

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<v Speaker 2>being fed up, we shouldn't even have to have a

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<v Speaker 2>rest of the show after you say that. Yeah, no,

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<v Speaker 2>we still got more. And we're parents, so maybe it

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<v Speaker 2>hits us different. But all of us are either parents,

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<v Speaker 2>or we are children, or we are siblings or uncles

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<v Speaker 2>or like all of us know children, right, all of

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<v Speaker 2>us should view them the same. Like. Still people.

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<v Speaker 1>Say that because wait until I read this. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>one day maybe Civic Cipher will be a show about

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<v Speaker 1>two DJs sharing good music with folks. But for now, this,

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<v Speaker 1>while these problems still persist and we have voices and

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<v Speaker 1>our able to share, it sounds like what I'm about

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<v Speaker 1>to read. The CDC reports every year more than thirty

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<v Speaker 1>five hundred children and teens are shot and killed in

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<v Speaker 1>the US, and another fifteen thousand are wounded shootings CDC

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<v Speaker 1>data from twenty sixteen to twenty twenty. Of those deaths,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty one hundred are homicides. On average, twelve hundred children

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<v Speaker 1>a year die by suicide with a gun. Another one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and thirty children and teens per year die from

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<v Speaker 1>unintentional shootings. On average, fer than thirty five children and

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<v Speaker 1>teens are killed as a result of mass shootings a year,

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<v Speaker 1>even though for obvious and good reasons, those tragedies often

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<v Speaker 1>receive lots of attention. Experts and advocates say that as

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<v Speaker 1>the US is forced once again to confront the tragedy

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<v Speaker 1>of the children being gunned down in their schools, saving

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<v Speaker 1>the lives of children, we will require the country to

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<v Speaker 1>seriously address gun violence in all forms. I want to

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<v Speaker 1>continue if I may, And.

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<v Speaker 2>That's from Time Magazine.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, Time Magazine. Yeah, you're right, sorry, thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Gun violence has trended upwards since the start of the pandemic.

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<v Speaker 1>As of June one, twenty twenty two, six hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>eighty six children have been killed this year as a

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<v Speaker 1>result of gun violence, and seventeen hundred have been injured,

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<v Speaker 1>according to the Gun Violence Archives. And this note that

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to read comes from Ms. Maggie aka Maggie B.

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<v Speaker 1>Knowing the majority of these shootings happened within inner city

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<v Speaker 1>minority communities. Black children are fourteen times more likely than

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<v Speaker 1>white kids and teens to die as a result of

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<v Speaker 1>gun violence. Hispanic or Latino children are three times more

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<v Speaker 1>likely to die than white kids as a result of

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<v Speaker 1>gun violence. To put it plainly, black and Hispanic or

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<v Speaker 1>Latino children are severely more exposed to gun violence and

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<v Speaker 1>white children. Now, I want to jump in right here

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<v Speaker 1>before we make the last point. We didn't want to

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<v Speaker 1>give any shine to this story, so you won't hear

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<v Speaker 1>about it on our show today. But there is an

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<v Speaker 1>individual endorsed by the former president of this country, who

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<v Speaker 1>is seeking elected office, who is on record as saying

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<v Speaker 1>that gun violence, to put it plainly, as a result

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<v Speaker 1>of black people. And I recognize that maybe not you,

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<v Speaker 1>but maybe people in your life might feel like that

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<v Speaker 1>is largely true.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, there's there's a lot of ways.

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<v Speaker 1>To look at numbers and data to tell yourself whatever

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<v Speaker 1>story you're comfortable hearing, right, But they're almost all incomplete.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll even see that sometimes the information that we get

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<v Speaker 1>is incomplete.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>We're not immune to that. We've had to make corrections

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<v Speaker 1>on this show before, and we're not above that. We're

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<v Speaker 1>committed to telling the truth and sharing our vision and

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<v Speaker 1>our perspective.

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<v Speaker 2>But in complete and blatantly false are not the same, by.

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<v Speaker 1>The way, point, and a lot of times what they

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<v Speaker 1>have on that side, it is blatantly false. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>for the sake of this part of the conversation, I

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<v Speaker 1>do want to say that, while we're kind of venturing

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<v Speaker 1>into an entirely different topic, there.

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<v Speaker 2>Is a reason for.

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<v Speaker 1>Violence, gun violence specifically, there's a reason for crime, and

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<v Speaker 1>impoverished communities. There's a reason for lots of these things

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<v Speaker 1>that many people look at impoverished communities, communities of color

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<v Speaker 1>very often in this country and think to themselves, it

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<v Speaker 1>is the very nature of these black and brown people

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<v Speaker 1>to be violent. And that is not true, because if

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<v Speaker 1>it is in the nature of black and brown people

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<v Speaker 1>to be violent, then you would see it in black

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<v Speaker 1>and brown communities around the country, and that's just not true.

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<v Speaker 1>We see it in this country largely. It follows the

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<v Speaker 1>money line around the world. I mean, yes, in this

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<v Speaker 1>country at large, follows the money line. And so what

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<v Speaker 1>you're noticing overwhelmingly is that economic inequality shapes these outcomes,

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<v Speaker 1>these statistical outcomes. And again, that's a much bigger conversation

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<v Speaker 1>that we've had on the show, we will continue to

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<v Speaker 1>have on this show. But right now we're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>gun violence. And because Maggie wanted us to make sure

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<v Speaker 1>to make this point that it disproportionately affects black and

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<v Speaker 1>brown people and children in this country, that our communities

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<v Speaker 1>also need to take these things very seriously and allies

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<v Speaker 1>to these communities. So if you're not a black or

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<v Speaker 1>brown person, but you love people or a person, or

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<v Speaker 1>just have any degree of love in your heart period

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<v Speaker 1>and would like to see better outcomes for black and

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<v Speaker 1>brown communities, you need to know this as well. I

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<v Speaker 1>want to read this last point just so that we

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<v Speaker 1>get it in before we move on. So this last

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<v Speaker 1>one comes from CNN. America's deadly weekend of more mass

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<v Speaker 1>shootings raises stakes for Senate gun talks. Okay, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>fierce political debate. While many Americans see their right to

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<v Speaker 1>bear arms as a critical plank of self defense and

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<v Speaker 1>national identity, polls show even many Republicans consider some sensible

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<v Speaker 1>extra regulations are necessary at times. At the weekend, news

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<v Speaker 1>of more shootings came in speeds that were difficult to believe.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, most Americans went about their business without encountering violence,

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<v Speaker 1>but the indiscriminate nature of the shootings recently at schools,

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<v Speaker 1>medical offices, supermarkets, at bars, and at parties shows how

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<v Speaker 1>deeply ingrained the threat of gun violence is in everyday life.

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<v Speaker 1>No one killed in these outrages had any reason to

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<v Speaker 1>think their lives were about to end in a relatively

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<v Speaker 1>mundane locations. In other words, these weren't war zones. This

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<v Speaker 1>was day to day life in the United States of

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<v Speaker 1>America and.

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<v Speaker 2>Very benign circumstances normally going to the grocery store, going

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<v Speaker 2>to school not just benign but safe. Right, you don't

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<v Speaker 2>want your children running the street, you want them in

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<v Speaker 2>school once upon a time. It will forever be a

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<v Speaker 2>question of mine with our Second Amendment, Folks, that the

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<v Speaker 2>very basis for that amendment to defend ourselves against tyranny

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<v Speaker 2>from our government and law enforcement. Those are the same

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<v Speaker 2>people that when our law enforcement murders us, marches the

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<v Speaker 2>street for us to support them. So I'm very, very

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<v Speaker 2>confused as to which of those points you're trying to

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<v Speaker 2>hold true to or is it neither, And you have

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<v Speaker 2>no idea what you're talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we know that a lot of times they move

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<v Speaker 1>the line, and such is the nature of our relationship

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<v Speaker 1>to each other in this country.