1 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 1: Hello, I'm welcome to Savor production of I Heart Radio. 2 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:13,440 Speaker 1: I'm Annie Reese and I'm Lauren Vogelbaum. And today we're 3 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 1: talking about apples, yes, which is a big topic. Yeah, 4 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:26,240 Speaker 1: big enough that uh when I suggested it, um, I 5 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:29,479 Speaker 1: was like, Annie, are you is this okay? Is this 6 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 1: okay for this week? And I was like, maybe it's 7 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:38,199 Speaker 1: like we can do something different, Like we don't have 8 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 1: to right now we must. Yeah, we've been. We've been 9 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 1: putting it off a while because it is a big topic, 10 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:46,520 Speaker 1: just you know, lots of lots of ground to cover. 11 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 1: I still feel like I could have I could have 12 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 1: kept adding to this outline forever. It could have just 13 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: been eternal apple, Yes, yes, Apple eternal. I also realized 14 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:00,120 Speaker 1: that as I was doing this, there are so many 15 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 1: sayings throughout history that have apple in them, and I 16 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 1: didn't even remember some. As we were about to record, 17 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 1: I forgot about apples to oranges, which I feel like 18 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 1: would be pretty I don't know, I understand it's probably 19 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:22,680 Speaker 1: long time it's been around. I guess I'm trying to say, oh, yeah, 20 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 1: I have not looked it up. Of all the animal 21 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:27,399 Speaker 1: logical things that I looked up for this one that 22 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 1: was not one of them. So I it's gonna have 23 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 1: to be a mystery to us as well as you 24 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 1: unless you know where that came from, and then let 25 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:39,760 Speaker 1: us know. Yeah, yeah, and then let us know. Um. 26 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 1: So I have done some apple picking in my day. 27 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 1: I grew up near l J, Georgia, which is like 28 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 1: the apple center of of Georgia, and it was a 29 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: field trip we would go on when I was in 30 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 1: elementary school. We go to allergy into the apple orchards. 31 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 1: But no, I even fear because I have a tooth, 32 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 1: a fake tooth, and told me very seriously that I 33 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 1: had to avoid apples, carrots and ice. Now I can 34 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 1: slice it up, oh, but not a whole apple. Who 35 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 1: wants to deal with that hassle? Oh see, I don't. 36 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 1: I don't like eating the whole apples because of the 37 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 1: texture against your teeth, like like the snap of the 38 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 1: skin and then like the pipe of the fruit is 39 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 1: really upsetting to me when it's a whole apple situation. 40 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:35,680 Speaker 1: So yeah, I always slice an apple. If I'm going 41 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 1: to eat one, I slice it. This is why I 42 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 1: don't eat more apples. Do you like them in general? 43 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:45,640 Speaker 1: I do? I do? Um? I get cravings for apples 44 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:49,919 Speaker 1: and then I'm like, oh darn, slice it, and then 45 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 1: it just sits there until I eventually am like, this 46 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 1: is too soft to eat out of hand. I need 47 00:02:57,160 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 1: to like make like a crumble or something like that, 48 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:02,519 Speaker 1: which I would I did, uh last week or this week, 49 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 1: and time is meaningless now. I don't know recently, recently 50 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 1: enough that I still have some in my fridge and 51 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 1: I ate some with some yogurt while we were preparing 52 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 1: this outline. So that sounds lovely. It was lovely. Uh. Yeah, 53 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:19,360 Speaker 1: I've I've never been apple picking to my to my dismay, 54 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:21,640 Speaker 1: I've lived in in Georgia so close to him for 55 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 1: so long. Um, I keep trying to go every fall, 56 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 1: and it has not worked out so far. But um, 57 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 1: I do have early memories of a family reunion that 58 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:34,239 Speaker 1: took place at an apple orchard, um my mom's side 59 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: of the family, somewhere up in Ohio. It would have been. 60 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 1: I do think it's funny that apple picking has kind 61 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 1: of become synonymous with a bad date. That makes that 62 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 1: makes me laugh, is it? Yeah? I mean I've frequently 63 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 1: seen it as a joke of like, oh no, go 64 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 1: app I've never seen that stereotype. I love it though. 65 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 1: That's that's really I would definitely being the I would 66 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 1: be the person that's like we're going apple picking. Yeah right, Um, 67 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 1: so we did choose this because, um, it's fall. Uh, 68 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 1: it's Halloween adjacent, like if you think about bobbing for apples, 69 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 1: and of course like the story of snow White, the 70 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:18,839 Speaker 1: poisoned apple, yeah, or the apple in the in the Witch. Yes, yes, 71 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 1: I just watched a horror movie where the big plot 72 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 1: twist in the end was apples, like planting apple seeds 73 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: and somebody throw the tree out of that body and 74 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 1: then you eat the apple and you get like use 75 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 1: oh the whole thing. Okay, it was a whole thing. Uh. 76 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 1: And we recently talked to Dan Fassion of The Sportful 77 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 1: about the Cosmic Crisp, which is a new apple hitting 78 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 1: the market, which, yeah, until we talked to him about 79 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:53,280 Speaker 1: that and really realized how many apples you have to 80 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 1: choose from from the store, which, as we're gonna get into, 81 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:59,359 Speaker 1: is actually nothing in the history of apples, but in 82 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:02,719 Speaker 1: the scheme apples, yeah, yeah, but compared to like oranges 83 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 1: or bananas, you do have you know, a handful of 84 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 1: types of apples, and usually somebody's got you got your 85 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 1: favorite types of apples and apples used for cooking and 86 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 1: all kinds of things. It's a whole, it's a whole 87 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 1: commercial apple world, it is. And we have done a 88 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:23,040 Speaker 1: couple of other episodes about apple products before. Yes, we've 89 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 1: done one on cider and apple pie, and I know 90 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:30,799 Speaker 1: for one of those, I think it was apple pie, 91 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 1: but it might have been cider. We really went more 92 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 1: in depth into the story of Johnny Appleseed. Do you 93 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 1: want to get back and give that a listen. We're 94 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 1: going to mention it in here, but not go is 95 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 1: in depth since we've already covered it. Yes. Um. We also, 96 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:49,039 Speaker 1: alongside the apple Pie podcast episode, we did a video 97 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 1: episode with our dear friend Julius skinner Um, who is 98 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 1: a historical colin culinarily historical human person um. You might 99 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 1: recognize her from our episode about Afternoon Tea Um. And 100 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:07,480 Speaker 1: she she helped us or we helped her rather, um 101 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:10,839 Speaker 1: make this this old, old old apple pie recipe with 102 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 1: like whole apples and you stick them in a pie 103 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:16,479 Speaker 1: crust and then you eat them and it's kind of 104 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 1: confusing but delicious. It was really good it was really good. 105 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:22,279 Speaker 1: I think it was difficult to eat, but it was 106 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 1: really good. Yeah. And the reason it was more difficult, 107 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:28,600 Speaker 1: I think it was more difficult to eat because the 108 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 1: smallest apples we could find we're a good deal larger 109 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:35,279 Speaker 1: than the size that they would have been using back 110 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:38,599 Speaker 1: in the day. That's true. Um. I also want to 111 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 1: take this moment as always to mention the apple muffin. 112 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 1: I've brought this up before. If if you're like me 113 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:49,280 Speaker 1: and in your need of something to laugh at, go 114 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 1: look up this clip of the New York government arguing 115 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:59,479 Speaker 1: about the apple right every time. I bring it up, 116 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 1: every single time, and I will continue to do so. Well, 117 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:04,599 Speaker 1: thank you. It's a it's a it's a good and 118 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 1: important reminder. You're welcome. It's a service that I do. 119 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 1: But okay, I guess who should get direct question? Apples? 120 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 1: What are they? Well? An apple is a fruit that 121 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 1: grows on short to midsized deciduous trees a botanical name 122 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: malice domestica, that prefer a temperate climate, including a cool winter, 123 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 1: to give the tree time to to lie dormant and 124 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 1: store up nutrients for when flowers and then fruits in 125 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 1: the spring. Those flowers start out kind of pink and 126 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 1: often fade to white, and when they're pollinated, will each 127 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 1: develop a single fruit with this thin, edible, sort of 128 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 1: snappy skin containing a thick layer of varyingly crisp and 129 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 1: juicy flesh, which in turn contains a papery but still 130 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 1: edible core protecting a few small seeds, usually five, sometimes 131 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 1: other numbers. Um. Depending on the variety, the fruits can 132 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 1: re raange from like the size of a cherry to 133 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 1: like the size of a grapefruit. In skin color when ripe, 134 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 1: from green to gold, to red to purple, and in 135 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 1: flesh color from white to cream to blush to crimson. 136 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 1: There are some wild looking varieties of apples out there, y'all. Um. 137 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 1: The trees, by the way, are in the rose family rosicassier, 138 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 1: and they're pretty hardy, but a little bit tricksy because 139 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 1: in order to get the kind of fruit that you want, 140 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 1: you can't just plant a seed from a fruit that 141 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 1: you enjoyed. Um, Like, the resulting tree could carry any 142 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:39,680 Speaker 1: kind of fruit by the time it matures and so um. 143 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:41,440 Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, you get the fruit that you want 144 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 1: through grafting, which is sort of like botanically Frank and 145 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 1: Stein ing a limb from the tree that you want 146 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 1: onto whatever other apple tree that you've got. Um and apples, yeah, 147 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 1: can range from from sweet and juicy to quite sour 148 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 1: and dry, and anything in between. Really different varieties are 149 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 1: used for eating fresh, cooking and baking both sweet and 150 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 1: savory dishes, and making into vinegar, juice, cider, wine, and 151 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:12,680 Speaker 1: other beverages. Um apples also contain a lot of pectin, 152 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:15,199 Speaker 1: which is like a jellifying kind of fiber. It's it 153 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 1: soaks up a lot of water um, which is super 154 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 1: useful in making like jams and jellies and other products. 155 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 1: And uh yeah, these days, growers use all kinds of 156 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 1: cool agricultural tricks and technologies to get like the most 157 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:33,079 Speaker 1: best fruit out of their orchards. UM, you know, developing 158 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:37,560 Speaker 1: and training trees with that have that have more compact branches, UM, 159 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:41,560 Speaker 1: using machines that allow for easier pruning and picking, using 160 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:45,320 Speaker 1: reflective materials on the ground to like bounce sunlight up 161 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 1: at the bottom of the fruit to encourage like more 162 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 1: even coloration. Wow, I love it nice. You know, I 163 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 1: forgot until we were doing this research, I forgot about 164 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 1: the whole um when you eat an apple, it feels 165 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 1: like you brushed your teeth. Yeah. Yeah, they say that 166 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 1: the fibers in it are good for your teeth, but 167 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 1: I feel like the sugars in it are probably bad 168 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 1: for your teeth. So I don't know. Maybe maybe it 169 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 1: like helps get rid of plaque, but at the same time, 170 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 1: probably still brush your teeth afterwards. Are not Yeah, not 171 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 1: to say don't brush your teeth at all, just eat apples. 172 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:23,680 Speaker 1: So that's not I'm not I'm not a dentist, but 173 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 1: that's not what I'm recommending. No. Two out of two 174 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 1: podcasters agree. What about the nutrition then, uh, well, apples 175 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 1: are are low in calories and high end fiber, with 176 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 1: a small spattering of vitamins and minerals primarily vitamins C 177 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 1: and potassium, and also a pretty good spread of like 178 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 1: stuff what helps your body get stuff done. Um, they're 179 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 1: being investigated for helping reduce heart disease and cancer. Lots 180 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 1: of antioxidant kind of stuff like that. Um, they are 181 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 1: a little bit sugary, so um. You know that they'll 182 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 1: help fill you up, but to keep you going, let's 183 00:10:57,640 --> 00:10:59,320 Speaker 1: say pair with a little bit of protein and fat 184 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 1: for a better balanced snack. Oh, I love those ants 185 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 1: on a log. Well, not that that's not what this 186 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 1: is actually a good Halloween treat, not azon a log. 187 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:11,560 Speaker 1: But you can make like a face with an apple 188 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 1: and you put peanut butter in it, like marshmallows for 189 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 1: teeth are raisins for tea. Well, numbers wise, the US 190 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:28,959 Speaker 1: Apple Association, which I love, claims that in two thousand nine, 191 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 1: apple producers turned out thirty million apples. China is the 192 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 1: world's largest producer of apples, followed by the United States. 193 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:41,680 Speaker 1: Uh yeah. China also consumes the most apples, like by far, 194 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 1: like forty percent of the world's total volume of apples, 195 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:48,960 Speaker 1: which for the record is over seventies seven million metric 196 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 1: tons per year worldwide. Um. So that and so like 197 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:58,319 Speaker 1: like we come in second in terms of eating apples, 198 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:02,840 Speaker 1: but like they eat penfold more than we do, like 199 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 1: we like a little less than five percent dared to um, 200 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:13,719 Speaker 1: we also produce ninefold less than they do. So this 201 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 1: wild amounts of apples is what we're talking about. Wow, 202 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 1: I don't think I had a single apple when I 203 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:22,320 Speaker 1: was in China, and that was really for almost a year. 204 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 1: It could have been it could have been a thing 205 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 1: of like I was trying. I was trying all these 206 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 1: new things. I know what those are. I have I 207 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 1: have read that they can be part of New Year's 208 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 1: celebrations because there's a pun involved. I forget which pun now. 209 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 1: I read this and then I didn't write it down. 210 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 1: But that's okay. I believe it. Uh yeah, And I 211 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 1: was there for New Year's but I just didn't maybe 212 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 1: I didn't even make no a mental note of it. Well, 213 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:03,680 Speaker 1: there are a lot varieties of apples. One of the 214 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 1: largest apple orchards in the world, if not the largest, 215 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:09,200 Speaker 1: is the U. S Das Plant Genetics Resources Unit in 216 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 1: New York, which boasts two thousand, five hundred types of 217 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:17,960 Speaker 1: apple from all over. And yeah, like depending on who 218 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 1: you ask, I the number that I saw a lot 219 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 1: was that across the world there are some types of apple. 220 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 1: Um and but I also read that like that, like 221 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:36,200 Speaker 1: there may have been and I'm not sure if this 222 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 1: was like over the course of history or like hidden apples. 223 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 1: I'm not sure, but like as many as like thirty 224 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 1: thousand varieties, so I don't know either way. I mean, 225 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 1: I mean, seven thousand five d apples is still it's 226 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 1: a lot, a bunch of apples. It is. It is, 227 00:13:56,840 --> 00:14:01,960 Speaker 1: in fact a bunch of apples. However, fifteen varieties make 228 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:06,319 Speaker 1: up of apples in the US of the apples were consuming. 229 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 1: The delicious variety, which I know gets a lot of hate. Uh, 230 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 1: is the most grown in the United States and the 231 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 1: most consumed. Yeah. Uh. And and that's kind of similar 232 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 1: outside of the United States as well. Um. Only about 233 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 1: twenty to forty varieties of apples are widely commercially produced 234 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 1: around the world. Apples in general are America's second most 235 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 1: popular fruit bananas first, if you're wondering. And the average 236 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 1: American eats about sixteen pounds of apples a year wow, 237 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 1: which is not which is impressive, but it's not globally 238 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 1: impressive because per capita as of Poland, eight pounds of 239 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 1: apples per person per year. That's forty five kilos UM, 240 00:14:57,120 --> 00:15:00,160 Speaker 1: with Turkey and Iran not far behind its seventy three 241 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 1: pounds are about thirty three kilos each DAN. That is 242 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 1: a lot of apples. You were doing a lot more 243 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 1: snacking on apples than I am. I strongly suspect. Uh. 244 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 1: They are, though, the third most grown fruit in the world, 245 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 1: with a global market value a very nearly seventy nine 246 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 1: billion dollars as of twenty nineteen. I keep wanting to 247 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 1: say how about them apples and refraining, and now I'm 248 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 1: telling you so it's almost as bad as saying I 249 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 1: just want to put out there that it's like. I 250 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 1: know you're probably thinking it listeners in the back of 251 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 1: your head. I am too. I'm right there with them. 252 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 1: There you go, but I'm trying to show restraint. Oh gosh, um. 253 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 1: There there are apple festivals across the United States, um 254 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 1: around the world as well. If you've been to one 255 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 1: in your area, please right in and let us know 256 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 1: what that's like. Yes, oh my gosh, yes, I want 257 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 1: to know if they're is a pageant. I want to 258 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 1: know if there's games. I want to know your puns. 259 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 1: I want to know your your foods. Me too. I should. 260 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 1: I never went to the one in l J, but 261 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 1: oh no, Well LJ is sort of it's one of 262 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 1: those small towns that's on a two lane road and 263 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 1: there's always a huge semi and like forts behind you. Yeah, 264 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 1: and it gets packed in the fall. Everybody goes they 265 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 1: want the apples. You gotta go early in the season 266 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 1: or else. That's my word of advice for you, oh 267 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 1: duly noted. Okay, yes, and the apples perhaps the most 268 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 1: well known fruit in the world, particularly for going by 269 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 1: number of depictions and media it's popped up in. Aren't 270 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 1: all around the globe throughout history. Poets from Emily Dickinson 271 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 1: to Robert FoST written about them, and artists like Magreets 272 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 1: have painted them. Clearly, they've been the object of our 273 00:16:56,680 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 1: imagination for quite a while, m Um, and we are 274 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:04,639 Speaker 1: going to get into the history of that. But first 275 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 1: we're going to take a quick break for a word 276 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:18,120 Speaker 1: from our sponsor, and we're back. Thank you sponsored, Yes, 277 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 1: thank you. So apples are ancient um like large fruiting 278 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:28,360 Speaker 1: precursors may go back nine just seven million years ago. 279 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 1: The seeds spread by these giant animals well by okay, 280 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 1: by by large fruiting, we we mean something like the 281 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 1: size we see today as opposed to the smaller varieties 282 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 1: that were around for a lot of history. Um. And 283 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:47,879 Speaker 1: by giant animals, um they mean human sized or larger 284 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 1: um like like like nine pounds forty kilos and up um, 285 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 1: although they could get quite big like like in the 286 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 1: America's They think that humans and bears and maybe deer. 287 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 1: Maybe some animals simil are two like a mastodon. We're 288 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 1: carrying them around. Um in Africa, humans and other primates, elephants, rhinoceroses, 289 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 1: various types of wild horse, um, stuff like that. So 290 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 1: I'm impressed by like the rhinoceros thing. I'm like, all right, yeah, right, 291 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:21,879 Speaker 1: thanks rhinoceros. Yeah, thank you. We don't think the rhinoceros enough. Uh. 292 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 1: And I also love how the word mega fauna kept 293 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 1: coming up. I'd never heard that word, but I, oh, yeah, 294 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 1: that's it just means yeah, like like weighing more than 295 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 1: ninety pounds forty kilos man, like this huge ass apple, 296 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:44,479 Speaker 1: like big creature. Get well, that's still pretty cool, alright, alright. 297 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:49,719 Speaker 1: The first modern apples are thought to have originated in 298 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 1: Kazakhstan are neighboring regions. Recent research suggests that humans have 299 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 1: been trading wild apple seats for over ten thousand years, 300 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 1: and art from the time indicates domesticated apples might have 301 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:06,120 Speaker 1: been around in southern Europe for at least two thousand years. 302 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 1: The oldest known variety is four thousand years old. Yeah, 303 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 1: the ancient Romans may have cultivated like six different varieties, 304 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 1: which is pretty cool. Um, although overall, yeah, like the 305 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 1: whole domestication process of the apple is still a little 306 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:24,120 Speaker 1: bit unclear. There is a lot of research going into it, uh, 307 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:29,639 Speaker 1: mostly articles that have words like megafauna and yes, yes, 308 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 1: and it's recent research. Yeah, And speaking of some recent 309 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:36,200 Speaker 1: genetic research suggests that our modern apple is a hybrid 310 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 1: of four types of wild apples that probably came together 311 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 1: via trade on the Silk Road. Prior to that, the 312 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 1: ice age had isolated different apple types from each other. 313 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 1: This hybridization resulted in a larger apple, which humans later 314 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 1: selected for through grafting. And there is a whole book 315 00:19:56,720 --> 00:20:00,680 Speaker 1: about this, apparently called Fruit of the Sands. Um. It's 316 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 1: by one Robert Spengler. It is currently sitting under my 317 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 1: desk and I have not had a chance to read 318 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:10,640 Speaker 1: it yet, And now I'm really mad at myself. That's 319 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 1: a good title because from that I wouldn't know immediately 320 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:18,359 Speaker 1: it could be any number of things. It also it 321 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:20,959 Speaker 1: also talk does talk about a bunch of other different 322 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:23,440 Speaker 1: different stuff that was being traded around at the time. 323 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:27,480 Speaker 1: But um, but yeah, perhaps perhaps mainly the apple perhaps. 324 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 1: And also I feel like we've mentioned this before in 325 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:33,159 Speaker 1: one of our previous apple adjacent episodes, but apples at 326 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:36,639 Speaker 1: this time, like wild apples, were often very sour and 327 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 1: yeah and probably really a stringent like if yellow ever eaten? 328 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 1: Um uh crab apple yeah, which are the type that 329 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:50,360 Speaker 1: is native to America. Um, They're they're puckery there. It's 330 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 1: like it's like eating like a like a dry lemon. H. 331 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:01,159 Speaker 1: Your facial expression is saying everything you need to me. 332 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 1: It's like a lemon filled with like sand, like a 333 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 1: sand lemon. It's it's a really interesting experience that I definitely. 334 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 1: We had a crab apple tree in my front yard 335 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 1: for a few years when I was growing up, and 336 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:19,120 Speaker 1: it was a really good climbing tree. And every every year, 337 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 1: every year I would be like, oh man, I should 338 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:26,879 Speaker 1: try maybe they'll be different this time. Never Nope. I 339 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:31,720 Speaker 1: appreciate the optimism and hope though. You know, um, sure, 340 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:34,160 Speaker 1: let's call it that. Let's call it optimism and hope. 341 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:37,560 Speaker 1: That's That's what I'm going. Seven year old Lauren was 342 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 1: working off of, Yes, that's what I think. Um. Since 343 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:48,240 Speaker 1: prehistoric times, apples have had this sort of mystique around them. 344 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:51,200 Speaker 1: Wild apples that grew across Europe and Asia were often 345 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:56,119 Speaker 1: viewed as sacred as granters of youth and fertility, particularly 346 00:21:56,119 --> 00:22:00,119 Speaker 1: women's fertility. Since apples came in the fall and were 347 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:02,919 Speaker 1: turned into butters and ciders and all kinds of things 348 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 1: to help people get through the winter. Uh, and then 349 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 1: the trees blossom in the spring, many associated the apple 350 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 1: with renewal. Yeah, and perhaps because of this, apples have 351 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 1: featured in stories throughout our history. In Greek mythology, the 352 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 1: Greek goddess Atlanta was able to outrun any suitors until 353 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 1: a wise man tempted her with an apple and she stops. 354 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:32,359 Speaker 1: The Trojan War was kicked off over an argument about 355 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 1: the golden apple, the golden apple of beauty. Yeah, I 356 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 1: totally forgot about the um. If you look at the 357 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 1: story of King Arthur, he was laid to rest in 358 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:45,440 Speaker 1: avalon the quote isle of apples. According to legend, magical 359 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 1: golden apples of immortality gave the Norse gods their powers. 360 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 1: So that's where Thor gets his. He's got a thunder, 361 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:56,640 Speaker 1: But I'm like, isn't it lightning? Though? Anyway, different different 362 00:22:56,680 --> 00:23:00,040 Speaker 1: complaint for a different day. Um. In Arabian night, the 363 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 1: magic apple was capable of curing all ailments and diseases. However, 364 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:08,919 Speaker 1: as we've mentioned before, while our modern interpretation of the 365 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,919 Speaker 1: forbidden fruit that Eve took a bite out of in 366 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 1: the Garden of Eden Uh is an apple, it's actually 367 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:19,879 Speaker 1: only called fruit in the text. So pretty much every 368 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:23,439 Speaker 1: fruit has been put forth as potential Canada, especially fruits 369 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:26,640 Speaker 1: that would have been growing around this time. I guess 370 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:29,399 Speaker 1: um of when it was written, where it was written, 371 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 1: particularly the fig However, it is true that the apple 372 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 1: is the one that we have culturally seemed to have 373 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 1: settled on in visual depictions, especially more modernly, and this 374 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 1: probably came about in the twelfth century. Historians think it 375 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:48,160 Speaker 1: might have been because the Latin word malice meant both 376 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 1: apple and even by fifteen four at the very least, 377 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 1: an engraving by Albert Durer showed Eve with an apple, 378 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:01,160 Speaker 1: and there was a sixteenth century painting that depicted Adam 379 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,919 Speaker 1: and Eve under an apple tree. By the time of 380 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 1: Milton's Paradise Lost in the seventeenth century, the image of 381 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:13,480 Speaker 1: apple with a capital at was pretty much solidified. Yeah 382 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:16,440 Speaker 1: and uh. And part of the confusion about the original 383 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 1: intent there is that for a long time in many 384 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 1: Proto Indo European descendant languages. Um. The words for apple 385 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:29,680 Speaker 1: could refer specifically to an apple or to any kind 386 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:33,240 Speaker 1: of fruit in general. UM, which is also where you 387 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:36,440 Speaker 1: get kind of hilarious compound phrases for different like new 388 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:38,879 Speaker 1: to Europe produce that we're coming in starting with the 389 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:42,399 Speaker 1: age of colonization, um, like a like the apple of 390 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:46,919 Speaker 1: Paradise for the banana, or the pta, the apple of 391 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 1: the Earth for the potato. Yep, yep. That does add 392 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 1: a layer of confusion, for sure. It doesn't help, doesn't help, No, 393 00:24:56,480 --> 00:25:04,479 Speaker 1: no history. Yeah, what was trying to mess us up? Now? 394 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:06,199 Speaker 1: As a kid, I loved this movie which I sent 395 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:08,679 Speaker 1: you watched and wasn't very well. I still enjoyed it, 396 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:10,679 Speaker 1: but it wasn't very good called What Lies Beneath, and 397 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 1: it had an apple was like forbidden seduction scene in there. 398 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 1: That really yeah with me as a kid, I'm sure 399 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:22,679 Speaker 1: that that's exactly what was going on in in in 400 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:25,919 Speaker 1: the Witch. Um. Although I although I wondered, yeah, no, 401 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,000 Speaker 1: I guess by by that time, by that time, the 402 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:32,480 Speaker 1: apple was pretty much that thing. So good on, good 403 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 1: on it, good on it. The phrase apple of my 404 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:41,400 Speaker 1: eye was first recorded in the ninth century Gregory's pastoral 405 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 1: Care by King Alfred of Wessex. And it actually referred 406 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,800 Speaker 1: to the pupil of the like like literally like, not 407 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:52,920 Speaker 1: like figuratively like it was just your people. Yes. At 408 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 1: the time, the people was believed to be this solid, 409 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:59,440 Speaker 1: round object. And of course back then vision was precious. 410 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,400 Speaker 1: They were there many ways to improve your vision if 411 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:05,919 Speaker 1: something went yeah. And because of that, as time progress, 412 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:10,440 Speaker 1: the saying came to denote something precious. Uh. I know, 413 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 1: I actually wasn't really sure what that's saying meant until 414 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:17,120 Speaker 1: I did this research. Well, it appeared into the King 415 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 1: James version of the Bible and A Midsummer's Night Dream, 416 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:23,399 Speaker 1: I believe the first time. I I was familiar with 417 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:27,359 Speaker 1: the phrase because of who framed Roger Rabbit. Because because 418 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 1: when he when he thinks that, when when when Roger 419 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:33,400 Speaker 1: the you know, the rabbit thinks that Jessica, his lovely wife, 420 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 1: has has played Pattycake with another man. Um, he goes, No, 421 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,200 Speaker 1: She's the light of my life, the apple of my eye, 422 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 1: the cream in my coffee. Now talking about a horror movie, 423 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:46,640 Speaker 1: I saw that once as a kid, Never again, because 424 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 1: it's scared to me so badly. Oh wow, it was. 425 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,200 Speaker 1: I was really scared of it as a child too, 426 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,440 Speaker 1: but in a way that I enjoyed. Like Christopher Lloyd 427 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:59,359 Speaker 1: really wigged me out in that film, like and I 428 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:01,679 Speaker 1: was used to him. Is like Doc Brown in the 429 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 1: in the Back of the Future movies, So I was like, 430 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 1: why do actors like That? Was one of my first 431 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 1: experiences of like actors play different roles. I mean, what 432 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:17,440 Speaker 1: lies beneath is also that? Yeah, yeah, I actually thought 433 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,239 Speaker 1: apple and my I meant like your kid. So I'm 434 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,360 Speaker 1: glad I haven't come up with I haven't used it inappropriately. 435 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:28,440 Speaker 1: That would have been really embarrassing, now I know. There 436 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 1: you go. Yeah yeah. Apple trees proliferated across Europe in 437 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:36,440 Speaker 1: the thirteenth century. One of the first known encyclopedia is, 438 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:41,200 Speaker 1: published in fourteen seventy, included an entry on apples INDs 439 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 1: of physician to Queen Elizabeth the First, which, by the way, 440 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 1: she said was the best physician around or something like that, 441 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:51,919 Speaker 1: recommended smelling an apple to recover strengths. That's nice, it's 442 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,480 Speaker 1: nice smell um. Around the time, several Shakespeare's works did 443 00:27:55,520 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 1: mention apples. During the sixteenth century, we get the first 444 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,160 Speaker 1: recorded instance of bad apple. It might have been rotten 445 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,119 Speaker 1: apple at the time, but uh, and it appeared in 446 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:12,000 Speaker 1: Schaucer's The Canterbury Tales. So many apple phrases. Um, the 447 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 1: original meaning was someone who creates problems for other people, 448 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 1: but many people modernly use it incorrectly that bad behavior 449 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 1: is not reflective of the whole like there's just one 450 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:25,800 Speaker 1: bad apple or whatever, and it doesn't mean that this 451 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 1: whole organization is bad. Yeah. Yeah, because the original meaning 452 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,959 Speaker 1: or the original phrase was something to the extent of 453 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 1: one rotten apple spoils the whole barrel rum and many 454 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 1: people use it today to me in the opposite Yes, 455 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 1: and that might be because you'll never believe this. In 456 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:52,280 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy, the Osman Brothers, Yes, they came out with 457 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:56,479 Speaker 1: a hit song called one Bad Apple parentheses, don't spoil 458 00:28:56,560 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 1: the whole bunch girl, exclamation mark, and history was made. 459 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 1: I like to think that the Osman Brothers were like 460 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 1: specifically throwing down a gauntlet like at Chaucer. Yeah, probably 461 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 1: at the beef of history. We need to know more about. 462 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, what did Chaucer ever do to you all? Yeah? 463 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 1: Osman Brothers. If someone knows the story behind it, let 464 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 1: us know, we have another apple related phrase, the apple 465 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,880 Speaker 1: doesn't fall far from the tree, and that perhaps goes 466 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 1: back is as far as although I saw some really 467 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 1: wide ranging dates for it, um, so it could be 468 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 1: way older, like way way older mysteries history. I'm sure 469 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:47,840 Speaker 1: some version of that saying has been around for a 470 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 1: long time because it just kind of makes sense. It does. 471 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 1: It's it's literal. I mean, apples do not fall far 472 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:59,720 Speaker 1: from their trees. Yes, that is true, and yes that 473 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 1: could have meanings, so it's true. It's true. French traders 474 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 1: brought apple seeds to Canada in the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries. 475 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 1: Apple trees were brought to Africa in sixteen fifty four 476 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:23,680 Speaker 1: in Australia in seventeen eight. European colonists settling in America 477 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:27,160 Speaker 1: brought apple seeds with them. Yes, they only found crab 478 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:31,880 Speaker 1: apples when they arrived, along with traditions and beliefs around 479 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 1: apples themselves. One of those traditions was one that a 480 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 1: lot of us are probably familiar with, bobbing for apples, 481 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:42,440 Speaker 1: which I have never in my life done, and I 482 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:46,040 Speaker 1: really now it's pretty gross. And I think that in 483 00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 1: these like our COVID times, like that's not going to 484 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:54,040 Speaker 1: be a thing for a very long time. Uh. I 485 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,640 Speaker 1: always like, even as a child, I was like this 486 00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:01,640 Speaker 1: is gross and and damp and like difficult. I have 487 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:07,600 Speaker 1: I have participated in this and like fallfares and elementary school. Yeah, 488 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:13,200 Speaker 1: but I was terrifically unsuccessful. It seems like it would 489 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:17,480 Speaker 1: be hard. It's not easy. It's not, especially when you 490 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,960 Speaker 1: have a tiny child jaw yeah. Oh yeah, come on now, 491 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:27,240 Speaker 1: not fair? Well, okay, this this has a great story 492 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:31,800 Speaker 1: behind it. So apparently girls and women back in the 493 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 1: olden times I would secretly mark the apples and put 494 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 1: them in a barrel of water, and then potential matches 495 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,880 Speaker 1: were dunk their heads into that water and bite into 496 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,120 Speaker 1: the first apple that they could as a way to 497 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:49,200 Speaker 1: see romantic futures. It's like, oh, we should be together. 498 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 1: Um it's the romantic party game colonial American times. Yeah. 499 00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:01,360 Speaker 1: Uh And this wasn't the only romantic party game or not, 500 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,960 Speaker 1: I guess, not party game but predictor tradition associated with 501 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:09,040 Speaker 1: the apple in New England. After the apple harvest, apples 502 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 1: needed to be peeled for apple butter to last the winter. 503 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:17,400 Speaker 1: Like a lot of apples um, young unattached women would 504 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,480 Speaker 1: attempt to peel the apple without breaking the peel and 505 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,040 Speaker 1: then toss it over their shoulder and then look to 506 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:28,160 Speaker 1: see what letter the peel formed. Yes, it's supposed to 507 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:31,080 Speaker 1: be the first letter of the name of your future spouse. 508 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 1: Now I have done this, and I've talked about it 509 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 1: before on the show. I've also talked about how I 510 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,080 Speaker 1: feel like there's some blenders you just can't get, Like 511 00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:40,080 Speaker 1: you're only going to get a CE or maybe a 512 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:44,160 Speaker 1: D or like an eye. Um. Anyway, I don't know 513 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:47,840 Speaker 1: why I'm getting so mad about this. It really depends 514 00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 1: on how you peel it though, Like if you if 515 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:53,120 Speaker 1: you just go around the apple, then you're probably pretty limited. 516 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,480 Speaker 1: But like if you do some like clever zin shiging, 517 00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,120 Speaker 1: like you could get like a W or an M 518 00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:02,080 Speaker 1: pretty easy. I think you're right. I think you can 519 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,640 Speaker 1: rip the system a little bit. Yeah, you can game 520 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,760 Speaker 1: this one. Oh wow, that's funny. I hadn't really thought 521 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,760 Speaker 1: about that. See when I played it, like you, you 522 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,560 Speaker 1: would do that, and then you had to go inside 523 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 1: for like an hour and let it like curl into 524 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:20,240 Speaker 1: whatever it was going to do, always just to see 525 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:32,959 Speaker 1: or maybe a d anyway. Uh. Not only this, Uh. 526 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:36,720 Speaker 1: This connection between the fortune telling abilities of apples and 527 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,720 Speaker 1: Halloween goes way back, all the way back to Salween, 528 00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:44,440 Speaker 1: the Celtic festival and precursor to our modern Halloween. UM. 529 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,320 Speaker 1: And we have talked about this before, but briefly. This 530 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,240 Speaker 1: festival usually occurred at the end of October. It was 531 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:53,800 Speaker 1: a celebration of harvest, end of summers, and not just 532 00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 1: for the current year, but potentially forever the days start 533 00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:02,360 Speaker 1: getting shorter. What are going to do about it? Right? Right? 534 00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:07,240 Speaker 1: And there was this fear that maybe it's just irreversible. Um. 535 00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,800 Speaker 1: So to hopefully prevent that and ensure that spring in 536 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:13,720 Speaker 1: the harvest would return, people would have these huge bonfires, um, 537 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:18,000 Speaker 1: make sacrifices of animals to the gods or leave gifts 538 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:22,520 Speaker 1: of fruits and nuts uh, and hang apples from evercreen trees. 539 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,080 Speaker 1: And this allowed for those that had died over the 540 00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:29,640 Speaker 1: previous year to pass through the barrier into the underworld, which, 541 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:33,200 Speaker 1: according to what I read, was believed to be pretty thick. 542 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:37,400 Speaker 1: But on this day he would do this. It's it's thinner, 543 00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,400 Speaker 1: it's thinner. The veil is thinner. You can do the 544 00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,759 Speaker 1: things you can do the thing people can go through. 545 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:46,680 Speaker 1: But of course that allowed for some perhaps troublesome spirits 546 00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:52,120 Speaker 1: to come into our world. Um. It also increased the 547 00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:57,040 Speaker 1: power of divination, this thinner veil, so it's believed that 548 00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:00,160 Speaker 1: you could you could contact people or see the future 549 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:06,680 Speaker 1: a more easily. Yeah yeah, um so cool Halloween. A 550 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:11,239 Speaker 1: side aside, These early apple orchards in the US did 551 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,640 Speaker 1: struggle at first until Europeans shipped over honey bees, in 552 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,640 Speaker 1: which I totally forgot about the Yeah. Yeah, the European 553 00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:21,719 Speaker 1: honey bees were really important to it. Yeah. A few 554 00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:25,080 Speaker 1: shipments followed in the ensuing years, and by the sixteen 555 00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:28,280 Speaker 1: forties orchards were doing pretty well. And like we discussed 556 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,440 Speaker 1: in our cider episode, a lot of these early apples 557 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,600 Speaker 1: did go into cider more for drinking than for eating, 558 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:38,880 Speaker 1: because again they were probably pretty sour, a lot of them. Um. Then, 559 00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:43,240 Speaker 1: in sixteen sixty five or sixty six, the Stuff of Science, 560 00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:47,200 Speaker 1: the legend Sir Isaac Newton was sitting under a tree 561 00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,320 Speaker 1: when an apple hit him on the head or perhaps 562 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,319 Speaker 1: just fell in front of him, and he came up 563 00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:56,600 Speaker 1: with the law of gravity. Infamous story or yes, as 564 00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:00,840 Speaker 1: the story goes, Yes, Yes, there was a really funny 565 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,320 Speaker 1: dry like I think it was from the Royal Science 566 00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:08,279 Speaker 1: whatever that that society is. There's a really funny entry 567 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:09,799 Speaker 1: about well. I thought it was funny. But it was 568 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:13,920 Speaker 1: like Isaac Newton sat there just twiling away the days, 569 00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,759 Speaker 1: wondering about and then an apple were to fall in 570 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:18,560 Speaker 1: front of him, and it was just I thought it 571 00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:24,400 Speaker 1: was funny. In New York, in seventy seven, Robert Prince 572 00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:27,799 Speaker 1: set up the very first commercial nursery for apples in 573 00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:31,359 Speaker 1: the US up until the Civil War. The owners, which 574 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:34,840 Speaker 1: stayed in family all those years, collected and sold apple 575 00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,520 Speaker 1: trees from all over the world and and other plants 576 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:41,080 Speaker 1: um During the Revolutionary War, the nursery was considered important 577 00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:48,640 Speaker 1: enough for protection by British armed guards. However, M. M. 578 00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:55,319 Speaker 1: George Washington wasn't as impressed. After visiting in seventeen eighty nine, 579 00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:57,520 Speaker 1: he wrote, I set off from New York about nine 580 00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:00,280 Speaker 1: o'clock in my bargs to visit Mr. Prince's fruit gardens 581 00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:03,919 Speaker 1: and shrubberies at Flushing. These gardens, except in the number 582 00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:08,440 Speaker 1: of young fruit trees, did not answer my expectations. The 583 00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:12,920 Speaker 1: shrubs were trifling, and the flowers not numerous. The shrubs 584 00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:20,600 Speaker 1: were trifling. I fucking feel that old Diami burn. In 585 00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:24,680 Speaker 1: the seventeen eighties, Thomas Jefferson wrote, they have no apples 586 00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:28,239 Speaker 1: to compare with our new town pippen. I love the 587 00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:32,480 Speaker 1: word pippin. That's a good word. Yeah, more stuff of 588 00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:37,040 Speaker 1: a legend. John Chapman a K. Johnny apple Seed went 589 00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,680 Speaker 1: around with the bag seeds, claiming that good seeds and 590 00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,840 Speaker 1: not grafting, was the only way to get good apples. 591 00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:46,480 Speaker 1: In the late seventeen hundreds early eighteen hundreds. According to 592 00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:49,920 Speaker 1: some sources, he dreamt of producing enough apples that no 593 00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:53,640 Speaker 1: one would ever go hungry. He went out west, helping 594 00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,279 Speaker 1: to foster apple orchards. As he went, most of the 595 00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:59,160 Speaker 1: apples were too sour for eating, so they did end 596 00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,040 Speaker 1: up in apple side or apple jack, and because of that, 597 00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:04,840 Speaker 1: a lot of these orchards ended up getting burned. With 598 00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:09,759 Speaker 1: the temperance movement and prohibition. Uh yeah, there's actually I 599 00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:12,120 Speaker 1: know we talked about it in whatever episode where we 600 00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,279 Speaker 1: talked about Johnny apple Steed. I thought it was not 601 00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:16,879 Speaker 1: a real person. So this was shocking to me. Uh, 602 00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:18,520 Speaker 1: And there is a lot of out there about him. 603 00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:21,120 Speaker 1: A lot of it is probably you know the stuff 604 00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,480 Speaker 1: of legend, but if you want to know more, there's 605 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:27,760 Speaker 1: a lot out there. In eighteen seventeen, William Cox published 606 00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,839 Speaker 1: one of the first American works on apples, and the 607 00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,680 Speaker 1: US had thousands of varieties of apples by the middle 608 00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:37,400 Speaker 1: of the eighteen hundreds, more than anywhere else in the world. 609 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,640 Speaker 1: Apples made their way out to the Pacific Northwest and 610 00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:46,760 Speaker 1: eighteen The Delicious variety of apple originated in eighteen seventy 611 00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:50,359 Speaker 1: and an orchard in Iowa. It was a variety that 612 00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:55,080 Speaker 1: refused to die, and when the owners sent a sample 613 00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:58,880 Speaker 1: to the eighteen nine Louisiana Apple Fair, the president of 614 00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:03,759 Speaker 1: Stark Nurseries tried it and dubbed it Delicious and the 615 00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,960 Speaker 1: name is history. The name is history. Around the same time, 616 00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:11,480 Speaker 1: speaking of in Australia, Maria Ann Smith randomly spotted a 617 00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:15,520 Speaker 1: seedling in her compost pile that went on to produce 618 00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:20,040 Speaker 1: the variety now known as Granny smith Um. The story 619 00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:22,560 Speaker 1: goes it was the result of a crab apple tossed 620 00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:26,360 Speaker 1: out her window. And apparently there is a huge Granny 621 00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:30,239 Speaker 1: Smith festival in Australia. So if anyone's ever been to that, 622 00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:35,960 Speaker 1: please please let us know, we see the first written 623 00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:37,880 Speaker 1: record of the phrase an apple and egg keeps the 624 00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:41,520 Speaker 1: doctor's away, or perhaps it was this version, it's a 625 00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:46,160 Speaker 1: apple avore, a game to bed, and you'll make the 626 00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,520 Speaker 1: doctor Bega's bread. I don't know what that first part means, 627 00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:53,759 Speaker 1: but I understand the second bit. If you have an 628 00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,560 Speaker 1: apple before you go to bed, Um, you'll make the 629 00:39:56,600 --> 00:40:00,839 Speaker 1: doctor bega's bread something something. I'm I'm guessing that's what 630 00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:11,040 Speaker 1: it means. My excellent uh maneuvering of old English. This 631 00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,320 Speaker 1: whole thing was a part of rebranding of sorts for 632 00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:17,080 Speaker 1: apples in the US after prohibition. Since again, most apples 633 00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:20,200 Speaker 1: before that went into hard cider. So this whole it's 634 00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:25,879 Speaker 1: healthy eating. Eat this food that we make, please. Yeah. 635 00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:31,240 Speaker 1: And another apple tradition might have emerged during this time, 636 00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:36,120 Speaker 1: giving an apple to the teacher. Yeah. I forgot about 637 00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:38,479 Speaker 1: this too until we were doing this research. Um. During 638 00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:42,080 Speaker 1: frontier times, teachers were seen as these moral figures, and 639 00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:46,000 Speaker 1: families whose children attended their classes often were responsible for 640 00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:49,839 Speaker 1: feeding them. An apple became a popular food to give, 641 00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:53,360 Speaker 1: and this stuck around even after this whole we're feeding 642 00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:57,800 Speaker 1: the teacher thing went away in ninety nine, being Crosby 643 00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,120 Speaker 1: released an Apple a Day complete with this line, and 644 00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,439 Speaker 1: an apple for the teacher will always do the trick 645 00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:07,560 Speaker 1: when you don't know your lesson and arithmetic. And we 646 00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:12,320 Speaker 1: see this in Pinocchio. Christmas story had it um by 647 00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:18,160 Speaker 1: the term apple polisher meant essentially brown noser. Uh, and 648 00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:20,880 Speaker 1: the fact that school started in September, coinciding with the 649 00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:27,040 Speaker 1: start of apple season might have also played into it. Sure, yeah, sure. 650 00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:32,320 Speaker 1: The candied apple was allegedly invented by accident in when Newark, 651 00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:35,919 Speaker 1: New Jersey, candy maker William Culb knocked some apples into 652 00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:39,360 Speaker 1: candy syrup. Since sugar refineries and apples were plentiful in 653 00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:43,680 Speaker 1: that region, candied apples might have become a Halloween staple 654 00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:47,040 Speaker 1: soon after that. I'm sure, like that's a great story, 655 00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,400 Speaker 1: but I'm sure you know, it just kind of makes sense. 656 00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:53,600 Speaker 1: When you're coding stuffing candy syrup and you have an 657 00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,719 Speaker 1: apple sitting there, You're like, huh, what about this? What 658 00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:02,640 Speaker 1: about this? By these the US had over ten thousand 659 00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:09,680 Speaker 1: varieties of apples. Thanks to inexpensive refrigerated transportation, urbanization, and commercialization, 660 00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:12,719 Speaker 1: many of those apple varieties are gone, but a lot 661 00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:15,360 Speaker 1: of people a lot of people have been working on 662 00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:19,160 Speaker 1: bringing them back and documenting them. Beginning in Maine in 663 00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,840 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy two, a man named John Bunker, who is 664 00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:26,640 Speaker 1: also called the Apple Whisperer uh the Apple Guy, set 665 00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:31,560 Speaker 1: out rescuing, rescue rig apple varieties. He estimates he saved 666 00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:35,520 Speaker 1: about eighty varieties of apples, and he did this through 667 00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:39,760 Speaker 1: all sorts of apple forensics and also with the help 668 00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:45,800 Speaker 1: of wanted posters about town like it would. They're so good, 669 00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:51,239 Speaker 1: it's like wanted alive. Narragansett apple last scene in New 670 00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:55,400 Speaker 1: York County. Exclamation Point originated on the farm of Jacob H. 671 00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:59,480 Speaker 1: Harmon Buxton in eighteen seventy three. If you know the 672 00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:03,040 Speaker 1: whereabout of this apple, please contact fed Cookee. If you 673 00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:06,040 Speaker 1: know the whereabouts of this apple? I love this so much. 674 00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:11,479 Speaker 1: And it came with a drawing of the apple. Oh wow, Yes, 675 00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:14,719 Speaker 1: it's so good. Um. And He's not the only one 676 00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:19,560 Speaker 1: by far. Another such person is Dan Bussey, who in 677 00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:23,400 Speaker 1: published The Illustrated History of Apples in the United States 678 00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,720 Speaker 1: and Canada, which was a collection of seven volumes ranging 679 00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:32,040 Speaker 1: each between five hundred and six hundred pages long. Whoa Wow, 680 00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:35,800 Speaker 1: documenting over sixteen thousand apple varieties and weighing in thirty 681 00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:41,239 Speaker 1: two pounds. Oh, of the apples listed in that book, 682 00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:46,120 Speaker 1: in this collection of volumes, only about are still grown today. 683 00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:50,320 Speaker 1: This is also an artistic endeavor UM. As of twenty nineteen, 684 00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,520 Speaker 1: a photographer by the name of William Mullins debuted his 685 00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:58,040 Speaker 1: Odd Apples project, which is this series of portraits of 686 00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:03,560 Speaker 1: strange varieties of apples. Portraits of apples. Yeah, and just 687 00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:08,919 Speaker 1: like really weird, gorgeous like apples that resemble anything from 688 00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:14,080 Speaker 1: like a golden potato to a grinning jack lantern, to 689 00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:19,279 Speaker 1: a black plum to a pearl. Wow. I don't have 690 00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:22,680 Speaker 1: to check that out. Yeah, look up odd Apples. It's 691 00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:28,200 Speaker 1: it's pretty spectacular. UM. Also, as of April, a group 692 00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:32,080 Speaker 1: called the Temperate Orchard Conservancy UM, working together with a 693 00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:36,319 Speaker 1: nonprofit called the Lost Apple Project UM, announced that they 694 00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:39,960 Speaker 1: had located ten previously thought extinct varieties over just the 695 00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:44,520 Speaker 1: past few months. Yeah. I highly recommend checking all these 696 00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:47,160 Speaker 1: stories out because there are a lot of it's fascinating, 697 00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:49,960 Speaker 1: it is. Yeah, this last one, like I know that 698 00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:53,520 Speaker 1: they're working with at least one like retired FBI agent 699 00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:57,720 Speaker 1: like stuff like that. I'm like, what are you talking about? 700 00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:04,799 Speaker 1: I love this. That's so good. Meanwhile, going back a 701 00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:09,719 Speaker 1: little bit, um, in ninety six, Apple Computer Company was founded. 702 00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:12,480 Speaker 1: Um the very first iteration of their logo was a 703 00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:17,080 Speaker 1: woodcut style image of Newton under the apple tree. Or 704 00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:20,120 Speaker 1: Another story goes that Apple founder Steve Jobs was big 705 00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:23,080 Speaker 1: into fruits uh and came up with the name on 706 00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:25,760 Speaker 1: the way back from a visit to an apple orchard, 707 00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:30,719 Speaker 1: and that the bite represents a bite by t E. Yeah, well, 708 00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:32,880 Speaker 1: I mean it also represents the fact that it's an 709 00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:34,920 Speaker 1: apple and not say, like a tomato. I think they 710 00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:38,239 Speaker 1: want like a visual queue in there. You they need 711 00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:42,560 Speaker 1: a tomato like that you I have, I have to. 712 00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:47,000 Speaker 1: I don't like this assumption. Um. But yeah, there's a 713 00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:50,960 Speaker 1: lot of logo legends around this. Another one goes back 714 00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,640 Speaker 1: to the death of Alan Turing, who died by cyanide 715 00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:58,080 Speaker 1: laced Apple in nineteen fifty four. Steve Jobs, in early 716 00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:01,160 Speaker 1: coders working on what became Apple, according to the story, 717 00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:04,479 Speaker 1: wanted to pay a tribute to the work Touring had 718 00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:07,320 Speaker 1: done that they were building off of. But most people 719 00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:09,640 Speaker 1: who know see this isn't actually true. It sounds like 720 00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:11,520 Speaker 1: one of those things where it's like a nice story 721 00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:16,400 Speaker 1: and you want to believe it. But probably yeah, I 722 00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:19,680 Speaker 1: Steve Steve Jobs, I think, has said something to the 723 00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:25,680 Speaker 1: extent of like, well, I really like apples, um and um. 724 00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:28,360 Speaker 1: For for sure, the very first iteration of that logo 725 00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:30,600 Speaker 1: was the Newton under the tree thing. I'm not sure 726 00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:33,360 Speaker 1: if they were inspired by Newton or if it was 727 00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:37,439 Speaker 1: just enjoying apples. It was the turing thing. At any rate, 728 00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:41,440 Speaker 1: this is this is all the stuff of mysteries of 729 00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:47,360 Speaker 1: tech history. Yes, awesome mysteries in this Apple episode. And 730 00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:50,640 Speaker 1: apples weren't just associated with sin infertility. I mean, as 731 00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:55,160 Speaker 1: we've been kind of alluding to, they're also associated with knowledge. Um. Yeah. 732 00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:58,239 Speaker 1: And to that end. In fourteen bio Artists, which I 733 00:46:58,239 --> 00:46:59,839 Speaker 1: did not know this was the thing, but very cool, 734 00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:03,520 Speaker 1: Joe Davis said about creating a literal tree of knowledge 735 00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:06,000 Speaker 1: by using DNA of the oldest known strain of Apple 736 00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:10,400 Speaker 1: to store fifty thousand Wikipedia's most popular pages. This is 737 00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:14,040 Speaker 1: a fascinating read. I I highly recommend learning more about it. 738 00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:16,960 Speaker 1: But apparently a single drop of DNA can store seven 739 00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:21,040 Speaker 1: hundred terabytes of data. Um. And the trick is converting 740 00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:25,280 Speaker 1: the four nucleotide basis that make up DNA to binary code, 741 00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:27,319 Speaker 1: and they were talking about how many trees this is 742 00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:31,719 Speaker 1: gonna take to get all of Wikipedia in there, and fascinating, 743 00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:37,200 Speaker 1: just fascinating. Um. Back to literal apples though, Um, these 744 00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:41,560 Speaker 1: days apple producers are are indeed concerned about disruptions to 745 00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:44,319 Speaker 1: to the international supply chain and the consumer market that 746 00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:48,359 Speaker 1: have been brought about due to covid um, but they 747 00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:54,160 Speaker 1: are even more concerned about climate change. Yeah, very concerning, 748 00:47:54,719 --> 00:48:01,320 Speaker 1: two very contro things. Yep, yep uh. And like we 749 00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:04,839 Speaker 1: said at the top, really there's so many, so many 750 00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:08,759 Speaker 1: branches on this one that we could have gone down. Um. 751 00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,640 Speaker 1: So if there's like an aspect you would really want 752 00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:14,319 Speaker 1: us to hone in on, just just let us know, 753 00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:17,839 Speaker 1: just let us know. Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely I am. 754 00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:22,800 Speaker 1: And now now I just have a really huge graving 755 00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:25,839 Speaker 1: for Apple butter. I love an apple butter. Apple butter 756 00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:31,680 Speaker 1: is pretty fantastic. Yeah. Well, now that now that we 757 00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:34,760 Speaker 1: have that graving, we do have some listener mail for you. 758 00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:37,920 Speaker 1: We do, but first we've got one more quick break 759 00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:49,439 Speaker 1: for a word from our sponsor. And we're back. Thank you, sponsor, Yes, 760 00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:57,839 Speaker 1: thank you, and we're back. With the nerves. Man, it's 761 00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:00,799 Speaker 1: an apple getting thrown up and being dropped. Ety yeah. 762 00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:05,160 Speaker 1: I can't whistle um, And I know that's really unimportant 763 00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:06,560 Speaker 1: to what just happened, but I was trying to think 764 00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:08,880 Speaker 1: of like that kind of whistling sound that cartoons use 765 00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:13,520 Speaker 1: a lot when something's dropping. I was trying to replicate that. 766 00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:17,080 Speaker 1: I don't know how successful I was, but you wouldn't. 767 00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:22,319 Speaker 1: Some you lose some, you know. Thank you. It's the 768 00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:26,000 Speaker 1: effort that's important. It's the journey, not the destination. Yes, 769 00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:31,840 Speaker 1: thank you for effort for me, Astley wrote, I recently 770 00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:34,680 Speaker 1: listened to your Marshall episode and I loved it. I 771 00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:36,720 Speaker 1: love your podcast and always look forward to new episodes. 772 00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:40,160 Speaker 1: I'll thank you. I totally forgot about fluffer nots until 773 00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:43,600 Speaker 1: it was brought up in your podcast. Had them occasionally 774 00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:46,200 Speaker 1: growing up, but never knew the name for them. In 775 00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:49,120 Speaker 1: my family and I had a trip to Hawaii with 776 00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:52,279 Speaker 1: my grandparents. We brought the game Taboo and played the 777 00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:54,520 Speaker 1: game while having coffee together one day, and my grandpa 778 00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:58,200 Speaker 1: got the word fluffer nutter and started laughing, thinking the 779 00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:01,399 Speaker 1: word was funny and having we're trying to describe it 780 00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:04,560 Speaker 1: without using the word listed. I was on his team 781 00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:06,120 Speaker 1: and looked at his card to try to help him, 782 00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:08,400 Speaker 1: and I started laughing too, and the rest of my 783 00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:11,879 Speaker 1: family started laughing, simply because my grandpa and I were 784 00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:14,200 Speaker 1: and thought it was funny how hard it was for 785 00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:17,840 Speaker 1: us to stop. Since this trip, my grandpa has unfortunately 786 00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:19,920 Speaker 1: passed away, but this is one of my favorite memories 787 00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:22,720 Speaker 1: with my grandpa, and I forgot about it until listening 788 00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:26,520 Speaker 1: to your Marshmallow episode. I'm so happy I remembered that 789 00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:28,520 Speaker 1: day on the trip. I feel like I unlocked a 790 00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:33,200 Speaker 1: forgotten memory. Thank you for talking about fluffer nutters. Oh 791 00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:36,760 Speaker 1: that's a beautiful story. I too forgot about fluffer nutters, 792 00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:40,040 Speaker 1: and it is a very funny word. It's really silly 793 00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:45,160 Speaker 1: fluffer nutters. I wish I had more occasion to use it. 794 00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:48,120 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Oh, you could start using it as an 795 00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:51,040 Speaker 1: adjective or something if you really wanted to. I think 796 00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:54,280 Speaker 1: it would be very cute, but cursed, like, oh, fluffer nutters. 797 00:50:56,800 --> 00:51:00,319 Speaker 1: I I occasionally called the cats fluffer nutters. Be like, 798 00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:03,719 Speaker 1: what's up, will fluffer nutter? What are you doing? That's 799 00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:12,600 Speaker 1: pretty solid nickname? Yeah? Yeah, um Mary wrote you inadvertently 800 00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:15,640 Speaker 1: solved a lifelong mystery for me, albeit a rather low 801 00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:18,840 Speaker 1: key one in your episode on cash shows. My grandparents 802 00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:21,279 Speaker 1: lived in Springfield, Missouri, and we would visit them every 803 00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:24,480 Speaker 1: summer throughout my childhood. My family lived in Kansas City, 804 00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:27,320 Speaker 1: about a four or five hour drive away. My grandma 805 00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:30,720 Speaker 1: was a character with strong opinions and a lot of energy. 806 00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:33,640 Speaker 1: Mostly this was good. She was proud of her family 807 00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:36,640 Speaker 1: and her town and not above, let's say, embellishing some 808 00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:39,520 Speaker 1: facts to make them look better. She was always trying 809 00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:41,320 Speaker 1: something new, and some of my favorite times as a 810 00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:44,759 Speaker 1: kid happened on these visits to her house. This included 811 00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:48,799 Speaker 1: my introduction to Chinese food, which was almost always a 812 00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:52,520 Speaker 1: deep fried version of cashew chicken delicious. But I remember 813 00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:56,080 Speaker 1: my grandma claiming this Chinese dish was created in Springfield. 814 00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:59,320 Speaker 1: I was sort of doubtful of this. The Springfield is 815 00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:01,520 Speaker 1: not a very verse city and does not have a 816 00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:05,200 Speaker 1: large Asian population. It seemed doubtful that Chinese dish would 817 00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:08,520 Speaker 1: be from there. But my grandma was fiercely protective and 818 00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:10,840 Speaker 1: proud of her town, and I did not wish to 819 00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:13,680 Speaker 1: question her facts. I never really looked it up. It 820 00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:16,080 Speaker 1: was in the eighties. I was a kid in time past, 821 00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:18,319 Speaker 1: no Google back then, and it kind of fell from 822 00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:21,640 Speaker 1: my mind. But then your podcast on cash shows came on, 823 00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:26,759 Speaker 1: and wow, Grandma was right. Springfield, Missouri is indeed the 824 00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:29,920 Speaker 1: home of a deep fried version of cashew chicken. I 825 00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:32,160 Speaker 1: feel bad for doubting her on this, but at least 826 00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:35,640 Speaker 1: she has been vindicated. She passed away about ten years ago. 827 00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:37,799 Speaker 1: I miss her and wish I could share the fact 828 00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:40,560 Speaker 1: that her beloved hometown made an appearance on one of 829 00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:47,640 Speaker 1: my favorite podcasts. Oh, I'm glad we could help solve 830 00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:53,400 Speaker 1: this mystery for you. Yes, Oh my heck, Oh my heck. 831 00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:57,080 Speaker 1: I also love I love that. I love this story. 832 00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:58,719 Speaker 1: I just love the whole thing. I love that there 833 00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:03,040 Speaker 1: is a deep pride version of this. Yeah, Springfield, Missouri, 834 00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:09,799 Speaker 1: and it's called Springfield Style And apparently even people who 835 00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:13,040 Speaker 1: have eaten it are confused about that. It's one of 836 00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:15,440 Speaker 1: those I really am a fan. Through this show. I've 837 00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:20,240 Speaker 1: learned that in this big country there's just these super 838 00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:25,680 Speaker 1: regional dishes and I love it so much. Yeah, it's 839 00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:29,799 Speaker 1: really it's it's really amazing. Um and especially like you know, 840 00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:34,400 Speaker 1: it's ah, if you're if you're the kind of traveler 841 00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:37,600 Speaker 1: who just kind of like shows up and sees what 842 00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:40,640 Speaker 1: they see. Um, then you might miss some of these things. 843 00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:42,719 Speaker 1: So it's really it's really wonderful getting to do this 844 00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:44,960 Speaker 1: kind of research and talk to these kind of humans 845 00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:46,960 Speaker 1: about this sort of stuff and like, yeah, really really 846 00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:50,120 Speaker 1: dig in deep to what the local specialties are. Yes, 847 00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:54,839 Speaker 1: always always, always send interesting local specialties or any local 848 00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:58,359 Speaker 1: specialties are a way, They're all interesting, they are, Yes, 849 00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:01,960 Speaker 1: thanks to both those listeners are writing. If you would 850 00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:04,760 Speaker 1: like to send those to us, you can. Our email 851 00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:07,759 Speaker 1: is hello at savor pod dot com. We are also 852 00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:10,360 Speaker 1: on social media. You can find us on Twitter, Facebook, 853 00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:13,520 Speaker 1: and Instagram. Our handle at all three is at savor 854 00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:16,000 Speaker 1: pod and we do hope to hear from you. Savor 855 00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:18,400 Speaker 1: is production of my Heart Radio. For more podcasts my 856 00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:21,360 Speaker 1: heart Radio, visit the heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or 857 00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:24,280 Speaker 1: wherever you listen to your favorite shows. Thanks as always 858 00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:26,959 Speaker 1: to our super producers Dylan Fagin and Andrew Howard. Thanks 859 00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:28,560 Speaker 1: to you for listening, and we hope that lots more 860 00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:37,880 Speaker 1: good things are coming your way.