Speaker 1: Call It What It Is with Jessica Capshaw and Camille Luddington,
Speaker 1: an iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 2: Well, Hello, Hello, Hello, Hello Call It crew, and welcome
Speaker 2: to another episode of Call It What It Is. This
Speaker 2: one's very special. I know we say that a lot,
Speaker 2: but this one feels extra magical. And the reason being
Speaker 2: is because when we first knew we're doing this podcast,
Speaker 2: Jessica and I put together a list of like our favoritest,
Speaker 2: favoritest people that dreamy, people that we want to have
Speaker 2: on and literally this was like maybe the first person
Speaker 2: that came out of your mouth.
Speaker 3: That's true.
Speaker 1: I love me some christens it. I love her so much.
Speaker 1: You all, if you don't know where, you're going to
Speaker 1: fall in love and you do you know, yeah, of
Speaker 1: course you know her. But if you don't, if you
Speaker 1: haven't heard her talking in her real voice about her
Speaker 1: real life, you're gonna fall in love. And if you
Speaker 1: do know her, then you're just gonna fall deeper in love.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what you know?
Speaker 2: What's so funny is that we no I just want
Speaker 2: to say really quick. What's so funny is we've been
Speaker 2: waiting because she's the busiest person that anyone could ever know,
Speaker 2: of course, And she's so talented that of course she's
Speaker 2: wanted and needed everywhere, and so we've been wanting her
Speaker 2: on for a long time and it's literally timed out
Speaker 2: with Wicked and I can't even believe that.
Speaker 3: And so all things.
Speaker 2: Happen for a reason, and we have to bring her
Speaker 2: in and just talk about all the things.
Speaker 3: All the things, and she will.
Speaker 2: Who is.
Speaker 3: I was just talking about how much in the where
Speaker 3: in the bathroom? What's happening?
Speaker 4: I'm in Oklahoma. I just finished a photo shoot and
Speaker 4: it's stay like forty one had a day off. But
Speaker 4: I'm happy to see.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, Kristin. I'm so excited to meet you.
Speaker 2: I feel like I know you because Jess talks about
Speaker 2: you all the time.
Speaker 4: I'm happy to meet you too, You sweet angel.
Speaker 3: You're like family. I mean, we played family, That's how
Speaker 3: we met.
Speaker 1: But even when I go to I had been on
Speaker 1: Grays for so long and you get off and you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go do something different, and what's that going
Speaker 1: to be? And it ended up being this movie that
Speaker 1: I auditioned for three times.
Speaker 3: Because they're like, I don't know if she's funny.
Speaker 4: Did I know that you had to even audition?
Speaker 3: Like hello, No, you would have like flipped a table
Speaker 3: if you found that out.
Speaker 4: I'm already flipping a table.
Speaker 1: Yeah, flip it, Kristen Well, I bet she's pissed she
Speaker 1: had to audition. Anyways, I get the part and I
Speaker 1: come to the table reading at Lena and I walk
Speaker 1: in and we'ren't some I'm like, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I mean the production officers were in't like we're to.
Speaker 1: And I see this bright, gorgeous face and she runs
Speaker 1: up to me like like like we're like we're long
Speaker 1: lost family.
Speaker 3: And I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 1: And I also was like I believe you were family,
Speaker 1: and that's how it started.
Speaker 4: I fell in love with her. She doesn't remember this, Camela,
Speaker 4: that I was on a red carpet before anyone was
Speaker 4: born and baby Jessica was there. I can't remember what
Speaker 4: even show you were doing at the time, but I
Speaker 4: just thought that girl's really talented. And then when Holliday
Speaker 4: came up, you know you know me now, caps I'm
Speaker 4: just like I can't wait to say hi, and just
Speaker 4: like love on her. And so I went right up
Speaker 4: to her in my much too muchness that I am
Speaker 4: and never enough, and that was that was all she wrote.
Speaker 1: It was it was we were we were off to
Speaker 1: the races, and we were all staying in the same
Speaker 1: apartment complex, and we would call each other video, send
Speaker 1: videos to each other, ride in the car together, stop
Speaker 1: at Starbucks together. I knew her order, but I knew
Speaker 1: your Starbucks order by heart, like I could go to
Speaker 1: Starbucks for you.
Speaker 2: What is that?
Speaker 3: Okay, we tell everyone what the Starbucks order is. We
Speaker 3: want to know. Sorry, her beverages don't come from Starbucks.
Speaker 3: Where do your beverages come from?
Speaker 4: Coca Cola? I like Coca Cola regular?
Speaker 3: Are we talking about regular?
Speaker 4: Wide waist star?
Speaker 3: Yes, okay, regular Coca Cola. I love this.
Speaker 4: And now I know I have to say Coca Cola
Speaker 4: because I said I just love coke and somebody.
Speaker 3: Said co Colaa.
Speaker 4: I did change my order, Jessica. Just I know you're
Speaker 4: dying to hear the news. But I am love the
Speaker 4: egg white bites and I still do. But now that's
Speaker 4: the thing, and I give this to you as a gift. Okay,
Speaker 4: you have a square thing called potato cheddar bytes and
Speaker 4: it's eight it's egg white bites. And potato and cheese
Speaker 4: and you're welcome. And they're only two hundred ten calories.
Speaker 4: So there it is.
Speaker 1: Wait, just is this why you love egg white bites? Yes,
Speaker 1: she's the first what she said, I could get to
Speaker 1: a time now. Yes, I get them in airports, I
Speaker 1: get them, I get them wherever. Yes, because it's a
Speaker 1: perfect little bite.
Speaker 3: Yeah, now we go. So how long were you guys
Speaker 3: shooting that together?
Speaker 4: For whatever? No, like cats, was it like two or
Speaker 4: three months?
Speaker 1: It felt like forever because we went through every single
Speaker 1: holiday in the year, so it felt like a year,
Speaker 1: but it wasn't a year.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I feel like we started in May and we were
Speaker 1: done by the beginning of August the end of July.
Speaker 4: I think you're right.
Speaker 1: I had my baby girl because she was the only
Speaker 1: one that wasn't in school, so she would come back
Speaker 1: and forth. So I would always have like a car
Speaker 1: seat that i'd try to put in the van, or.
Speaker 4: I'd Jessica was we would go on our days off.
Speaker 4: She's like, what do you want to do. I'm like,
Speaker 4: I'm I'm roaded hard and put away. What what do
Speaker 4: you mean, I'm exhausted? She was like, let's go shopping.
Speaker 4: Let's go. And there was in our little pont city.
Speaker 4: There was a jewelry store, there was a gift store,
Speaker 4: and she'd have all her kids, which I think they're
Speaker 4: twenty seven of them all in there, and they their
Speaker 4: kids are good. No, I know, we get parental class.
Speaker 3: My kids are not like that. And you're right.
Speaker 2: I travel with her too, and I'm like, let me
Speaker 2: just bedrot, like, let me be and she's like, I
Speaker 2: just went on a whole hike by the beach and
Speaker 2: now and it's like, let's go.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, no, you want to go out after.
Speaker 3: I'm like, no, no, we don't.
Speaker 1: We don't want to joel on, hold on, hold on
Speaker 1: what she would great, let's not let's not pretend that
Speaker 1: you were doing nothing in your room. When I would
Speaker 1: find out later like so what did you end up doing?
Speaker 1: And she'll be she'd be like, well, I had fourteen interviews,
Speaker 1: and then I did a bedside version a cappella. I
Speaker 1: did on a voice recording, but I did send it
Speaker 1: to Broadway. They're going to play it in front of everyone.
Speaker 1: There's gonna be twenty seven hundred person audience for what
Speaker 1: I just recorded from my bed and I'm.
Speaker 3: Like, You're like, let's go get jewelry. Can we just
Speaker 3: make a bracelet? Why don't we go do that?
Speaker 4: There was one I remember because on the days off,
Speaker 4: and it caught up with me and now I'm not
Speaker 4: doing that anymore. But I used to sing concerts on
Speaker 4: my yeah weekends off from the movies, and Capshaw was like,
Speaker 4: are you like, what are you doing? I want you
Speaker 4: to know, Jess, I'm trying to well, first of all,
Speaker 4: I'm in my fifties now, girls, so I'm taken. I'm
Speaker 4: just trying to be a little bit more mindful of
Speaker 4: the time that I have and resting and self care.
Speaker 4: I grew up in a time when self care was
Speaker 4: not a thing. It was like you keep going and
Speaker 4: you don't complain. And you know, I'm from the South too,
Speaker 4: so we have that.
Speaker 1: Hair care was a thing, but not self care. You're
Speaker 1: so right, and you're really got really good haircare.
Speaker 4: Hair care. I finally learned what that is too, And
Speaker 4: of course none of it's mine, but it's okay.
Speaker 3: None of it's mine either. It's okay.
Speaker 1: You know why people are there to help, that's right, okay,
Speaker 1: So can I just before we get on we can't
Speaker 1: get off of holiday without telling Okay, I need to
Speaker 1: know all the story well because it puts us in
Speaker 1: just a very special place.
Speaker 3: I hope that Christmas already laughing, did you know what
Speaker 3: this is already?
Speaker 1: Yeah, because there's no way that there's no other story
Speaker 1: that's that's going to make her look the way she
Speaker 1: looks right now. Okay, So we're we're pretty deep into
Speaker 1: our love affair, like we know we're no, we know
Speaker 1: that we are each other's people, yes, and you know,
Speaker 1: there's like they're setting things up somewhere and so we're
Speaker 1: just like chit chatting and every time like they're moving
Speaker 1: the set like all the grip stuff and everything. So
Speaker 1: we keep having to move spots like you're in the
Speaker 1: way here, you got to move over here, and then
Speaker 1: you So we find this place to sit stand and
Speaker 1: we're talking and we're standing there's like a we're in
Speaker 1: the we're in Atlanta, and there's we're outside and there's
Speaker 1: like an elevated back patio. Yeah, like a somewhat of
Speaker 1: a balcony, right, yeah, like a balcony, but we're not
Speaker 1: on top of the balcony.
Speaker 4: Almost got you remember.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, you did what happened. Okay, we need to
Speaker 3: know this story too.
Speaker 4: It was it tick calling up her leg. We were
Speaker 4: both in swimsuits, miserable and slapped it off.
Speaker 3: Yeah she did, she did, and I let her and
Speaker 3: I liked it.
Speaker 1: Okay. So we're standing at the bottom of this balcony
Speaker 1: so that our heads are like equal with the feet
Speaker 1: of the people standing on top of the balcony.
Speaker 4: This is very important.
Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, I'm picturing it. Okay, can you pature that?
Speaker 1: So we're standing there, so our little heads are right there,
Speaker 1: level with again the people's feet that are standing on
Speaker 1: the balcony, so they're like above us, and we're chip chatting,
Speaker 1: chit chatting. And there comes when you want to take
Speaker 1: it away.
Speaker 3: Christen.
Speaker 4: There was a boom operator and he had that you
Speaker 4: know he had he had the head hands on, yeah,
Speaker 4: hands on, and he just he just let it rip.
Speaker 4: Hey god, yes, our faces were right where his butt
Speaker 4: would be, right, you don't remember, but he just let
Speaker 4: it rip and just that and I went like we
Speaker 4: were like scooby Doo bo doo, and we went in
Speaker 4: the direction, not even look at each other. I went
Speaker 4: one area, she went to the other. We went and
Speaker 4: lookes throw ourselves.
Speaker 3: Could not regulates. Are lucky to get pink eye?
Speaker 4: That's very fo we And to this day I say,
Speaker 4: boom operator and we both know. We both stop it
Speaker 4: to say does he know that he did that?
Speaker 3: Of course he doesn't.
Speaker 2: He didn't see us, so he was like, I'm freeing
Speaker 2: so gross you guys grossed out.
Speaker 4: But then we couldn't contain it.
Speaker 3: No, we did. We went out. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And one of the greatest gifts of being friends with
Speaker 1: Kristin is she really does. She doesn't text you. She
Speaker 1: takes a video of herself and sends it to you,
Speaker 1: so it's in real It's not even like a voice memo.
Speaker 1: It's a real the whole movie. And every once in
Speaker 1: a while over the past couple of years, she will
Speaker 1: just send a video and it all really simply says
Speaker 1: is we got farted on.
Speaker 3: We were farted on.
Speaker 2: Mine in our own business, y'all just trying to make
Speaker 2: a movie, just trying to make.
Speaker 4: You cannot re enact because we looked at each other
Speaker 4: when we got farted.
Speaker 3: Direction opposite directions.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 2: There were so many funny keeping a street priests because
Speaker 2: the word fart can't even handle the word fart.
Speaker 3: No, if you talk about it's because you're PTSD with
Speaker 3: this one.
Speaker 4: I think, so this is you have some drama the
Speaker 4: Boom Operator doesn't.
Speaker 1: It does? And there were so many funny people on
Speaker 1: that movie. And I remember you and I, Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: remember Alex moffittt from Sorry Live?
Speaker 3: Why would we like?
Speaker 4: He's the funniest person.
Speaker 3: God, he was funny. I know, I love him by
Speaker 3: the way, Yeah Sorry, he played my.
Speaker 1: Husband and he was he was so funny. We had
Speaker 1: we had a really good time and Emma Roberts just
Speaker 1: love her so much. It was but we became my family.
Speaker 1: We became my family. And then so that was a
Speaker 1: holiday movie. You've done a lot of holiday movies.
Speaker 2: Well, can I talk about this before you got on?
Speaker 2: I said to Jessica, and she is going to tell
Speaker 2: us a story that we both apparently don't know. I said,
Speaker 2: you're in one of my favorite ever holiday movies for Christmases.
Speaker 3: I love that movie so much. And then Jessica, what
Speaker 3: did you say? I said, I have to talk to
Speaker 3: her about it. And then what did you say?
Speaker 1: Well, I said, I don't think Kristen even knows how
Speaker 1: many times I auditioned for movies that.
Speaker 3: She got what And I remember I did not even know.
Speaker 1: I remember, like you know, I always felt like when
Speaker 1: I was auditioning early days, I was like the Orman's
Speaker 1: Reese Witherspoon.
Speaker 3: They'd be like, you look a lot like Ree Witherspoon.
Speaker 5: But not but like not like as good's pretty, not
Speaker 5: as pretty, but like not as funny either, but also
Speaker 5: like I don't know, just not her, but like.
Speaker 3: But not at all like that.
Speaker 1: And so anyways, when I get the script and it's
Speaker 1: playing her sister, I'm like, well, fuck, I can do that, right,
Speaker 1: That's what this poor man's Reese Wetherspoon is gonna be
Speaker 1: good for is I'm gonna be able to be her sister.
Speaker 1: And so I'm like, I got this, and I throw
Speaker 1: out my best audition whatever, and they come back to
Speaker 1: me and they're like, oh, I mean it was a
Speaker 1: good audition, but Kristin Chenowith got it.
Speaker 3: I was like, Kristen, you would have been amazing you
Speaker 3: with you were better. I gotta tell you, Kristen, that
Speaker 3: role was for you.
Speaker 2: Because Jessica and I talk about that you get the
Speaker 2: roles you were supposed to get, that you are so
Speaker 2: funny in that movie that I wanted to know because.
Speaker 3: I wanted this every time I watch it. Was there
Speaker 3: a lot of improv in that movie.
Speaker 4: It was mostly improv, my sweet And I was so
Speaker 4: happy that Vince and Reese let us you know that's
Speaker 4: always when and you know this, you both know this,
Speaker 4: that when it just happens naturally, and Vince would just go, chinniwick,
Speaker 4: just do it. He let us all do that. I
Speaker 4: do have one little story that I've never told.
Speaker 3: Bring it.
Speaker 4: I saved it. I saved it, and I didn't know
Speaker 4: if this movie would come up. I swear, I swear
Speaker 4: I've never told this, but I you know that character
Speaker 4: has all these kids right back, and she has these twins.
Speaker 4: H I've never had a child, and and I love them,
Speaker 4: but I just I didn't work out that way for me.
Speaker 4: And I'm having all these kids around me and I'm
Speaker 4: holding this this these twins all the time. My neck
Speaker 4: was really hurting and they would bring in and say,
Speaker 4: give you a break and let me hold one. Because
Speaker 4: I wanted to seem like a mom, right. I wanted
Speaker 4: it to look realistic. And I looked down and I'm
Speaker 4: like why I hope I can tell this on this podcast.
Speaker 3: You can tell anything. We talk about all the things.
Speaker 4: Okay, good. I looked down and I'm wet in my
Speaker 4: boom area and I was like, what is that? And
Speaker 4: I was lactating.
Speaker 2: Yeah what?
Speaker 4: And I panicked and I went I remember mentioning very quietly,
Speaker 4: begining toes. She goes, No, it's a real thing. It
Speaker 4: can happen. It's a real thing. I've never done it since,
Speaker 4: but I don't know if it was. I don't know
Speaker 4: what it was. But I had to put little covers.
Speaker 4: I had started lactating, daring that what was that? That
Speaker 4: is insane.
Speaker 3: I love that story.
Speaker 4: Thing. It can happen.
Speaker 3: I'm so glad you gave this to us. I mean,
Speaker 3: I've had that happened when I was breastfeeding, but never
Speaker 3: when I was not well.
Speaker 4: I thought, am I pregnant?
Speaker 2: Not know it?
Speaker 4: No, I wasn't pregnant. But I guess it's a real
Speaker 4: you know, you think about the wet back in the
Speaker 4: day or whatever. But it happened to me, and I
Speaker 4: was so embarrassed because there was like these wet patches, right,
Speaker 4: is't that weird?
Speaker 3: That's crazy? But you were surrounded by kids in that movie.
Speaker 4: Yes, you know, I was probably at my peak, if
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, and I was. I was
Speaker 4: just loving them. I do love children. I just love them.
Speaker 4: We had this thing called the jump jump in that movie.
Speaker 3: Yes, you did the jump jump and I.
Speaker 4: Would get in there on my breaks. Oh it was
Speaker 4: a bee tree dish and probably everything, but I didn't care.
Speaker 4: I was just it was fun.
Speaker 3: My favorite scene the movie is when you guys go
Speaker 3: to church.
Speaker 4: Oh isn't that funny?
Speaker 3: And Vince is on stage doing like Jessica hasn't seen it,
Speaker 3: she's kids, watch it now. I processed the pain of
Speaker 3: the rejection.
Speaker 4: That's what I had to the process. You know, we
Speaker 4: always want there's always a part we want, right and
Speaker 4: like you said.
Speaker 3: The party, is there one for you? Yeah? I was
Speaker 3: gonna say, let's tell us what is the part that
Speaker 3: you did not get that you were like over.
Speaker 4: It's Hunger Games? Oh I wanted to play Oh my god,
Speaker 4: oh how great? I mean I auditioned several times for that.
Speaker 4: But when I went to see it and I saw
Speaker 4: I saw Elizabeth, Yeah, thanks to it, I just went,
Speaker 4: you know what, she's so perfect, like you can't but
Speaker 4: it takes a minute.
Speaker 3: You have to let Yeah, yeah, I gotta say, though
Speaker 3: I can if they ever redo it, I can see you.
Speaker 1: In that role.
Speaker 3: I can honestly see you in anything.
Speaker 2: I mean yes, but that role in particular with like
Speaker 2: the outfits and that, and you know, she I like,
Speaker 2: you would have killed it.
Speaker 4: It was so wasn't it a pretty movie? I mean,
Speaker 4: if you can say it's a pretty movie, But I
Speaker 4: just I loved I loved the books, so I was.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And Poppy's reading them right now and she loves them.
Speaker 3: She's obsessed.
Speaker 1: She is also, by the way, speaking of you with kids,
Speaker 1: all my girls love you. You love my girls like you.
Speaker 1: So I mean so yeah, like family, like completely like
Speaker 1: family I worked with. My first movie that I ever
Speaker 1: did was with Vince Vaughn.
Speaker 4: Oh what was it? Yes?
Speaker 3: Wait, I don't know this, gosh, Sam full of sometimes
Speaker 3: you are. I did a movie called The Locusts. It
Speaker 3: was with Vince Vaughn, and he made me laugh.
Speaker 1: He might be one of the top Yeah three like
Speaker 1: to be with. Like, when you're in a room with
Speaker 1: Vince Vaughn, you are non stop laughing. I haven't seen
Speaker 1: him in a very long time, but back then it's true,
Speaker 1: like like like coke co cola out your nose, like
Speaker 1: you're like you're yeah, you cannot believe it. And we
Speaker 1: had a very we had a very fun We were
Speaker 1: like we had a very like brother sister vibe.
Speaker 4: He and I. Yeah, he's one of those guys like
Speaker 4: in much like Robin Williams who it's like, just let
Speaker 4: him go, just let I asked Robin one time we
Speaker 4: were doing this movie RV. And I said, do you
Speaker 4: ever just because he's always on chill yeah, and Vincent
Speaker 4: and he goes, no, this is me, yes around it it. Actually,
Speaker 4: I don't know how you felt just but I felt
Speaker 4: like Sharper.
Speaker 3: Oh for sure. Oh yeah, you got to be on
Speaker 3: your toes around someone like that.
Speaker 1: Well, you know they always say if you want to
Speaker 1: get better at something, play with someone who's better than
Speaker 1: you and not like I think I'm some great comedian,
Speaker 1: but I don't know.
Speaker 3: I'm kind of funny, and being with him you would
Speaker 3: have to like.
Speaker 1: And Paul Red was in it too, and Paul Red
Speaker 1: is also hilarious, and being with both of them was definitely.
Speaker 1: By the way, the movie was an extreme bummer. It
Speaker 1: was like the deepest darkest drama ever about like Insaust
Speaker 1: And yeah, it was like not a funny movie in
Speaker 1: any way, shape or form, but off camera we were
Speaker 1: laughing a lot. Yeah, And I remember when we used
Speaker 1: to go out and I would because he swingers, said,
Speaker 1: I think was just about to come out, and oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, he was so handsome again go back to
Speaker 1: our brother sister Vibe.
Speaker 3: He's so tall, so tall, and so handsome. And we
Speaker 3: would go out and I remember just being very He
Speaker 3: would use me as shield.
Speaker 1: Just to bounce the girls off of girls would be
Speaker 1: coming at him like rapid fire, just like throwing themselves
Speaker 1: at him, and I was safe. And we had such
Speaker 1: a like I said, we were just such a good
Speaker 1: dynamic and we had so much fun. And so he
Speaker 1: would just like instantly pretend like I was his girlfriend.
Speaker 1: They're like arm would go around me and he'd be like, nope, nope, nope.
Speaker 4: Oh you're even fatigue compared to the like he's.
Speaker 3: Tall, he's very he's very, very tall.
Speaker 2: I would find improvising in a comedy with him really intimidating.
Speaker 4: I can't imagine like I did it.
Speaker 3: I did do it, but there was one time I
Speaker 3: love it She's like, I can't imagine it.
Speaker 4: Why did I say that? But I will say there
Speaker 4: was one time he said just go. It was in
Speaker 4: the bathroom. It got cut, but he just said, you're
Speaker 4: in the bathroom and Reese comes in and I think
Speaker 4: it was not long after the lack ta Yeah, and
Speaker 4: I just riffed for about fifteen minutes and he shot
Speaker 4: it all. And then you remember in the church scene
Speaker 4: that you brought up, Yeah, we were all riffing. He
Speaker 4: just he would put the camera on anyone, any one
Speaker 4: of it, the character actors, and would just let us play.
Speaker 4: And I remember we were all getting a little confident
Speaker 4: and a little too much. And I remember kept saying,
Speaker 4: who let the dogs out? I'll never forget. Oh my god,
Speaker 4: He's right.
Speaker 3: But you know what I love when you go crazy?
Speaker 1: And you in Holiday, she played Aunt Susan, and you
Speaker 1: had the you always have the most amazing characters, but
Speaker 1: you just got to be wild. And I remember at
Speaker 1: one point you were always bringing home different bows, different
Speaker 1: different men to our family gatherings, and you brought home
Speaker 1: a Santa and you, I mean, this guy loved this.
Speaker 3: Know what had hit him? I mean, Kristen was on him.
Speaker 3: Like a pole.
Speaker 4: It was.
Speaker 3: I mean it was like she was hanging from the rafter.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, she was.
Speaker 4: It was the bag of her.
Speaker 3: I mean it was commitment, is what it was. It
Speaker 3: was commitments.
Speaker 4: Do you know that. I think maybe right after our
Speaker 4: table read said table read, I had a fitting and
Speaker 4: they said they held up this vintage play Playboy play
Speaker 4: Day and outfit and they said, we'd live for you
Speaker 4: to wear this for the Easter Holiday, and I squeezed
Speaker 4: myself into the I remember.
Speaker 2: Hot, well, you was both so taught in that movie
Speaker 2: because there was like a you were in like a
Speaker 2: Leida Hosen whatever.
Speaker 3: Halloween. Yeah, yeah, for Halloween.
Speaker 4: I was in Latex nurse. She was in Later.
Speaker 3: I was, yeah, those are you guys together.
Speaker 4: I've never seen more extras pay more attention to even
Speaker 4: one of us.
Speaker 3: We were classy. We were classy, classic cats.
Speaker 4: Sure. I love it.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 2: And we just had dan on because you have Bukatinski, Yes,
Speaker 2: we did, and who adores you also said he gets
Speaker 2: video messages from you and you have a So you
Speaker 2: have a holiday movie out right now that we've been
Speaker 2: talking about with Lindsay Lowen.
Speaker 4: What was so good?
Speaker 3: It's so good. It's it again. You just can't be bad, evidently, y'all.
Speaker 3: Thank you. What was it like to work with Lindsay?
Speaker 4: It was really fun and I had met her once
Speaker 4: again when she was younger. I mean she's still young,
Speaker 4: but I would say fifteen probably remember when all that
Speaker 4: craziness was surrounding her own.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And what was what I was.
Speaker 4: Struck by is how Lindsay is. Well, obviously she's a
Speaker 4: complete professional, but you know, much like you caps, you know,
Speaker 4: there's the Lindsay Lohan that we all know and a door,
Speaker 4: but then there's mom. She's a now I better, she
Speaker 4: was a new mom and a wife, and she we
Speaker 4: talked a lot. We didn't talk about show business a
Speaker 4: lot we talk about to this day. We talk about
Speaker 4: just like me and you caps. We talk about real
Speaker 4: life stuff. And I just am so if it's okay
Speaker 4: for me to say, I don't even know if I
Speaker 4: should say this, but I'm so proudly at all. I'm
Speaker 4: just proud of her, her and her journey.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, she's amazing and obviously very fun and funny person,
Speaker 4: but very lots of depth.
Speaker 1: There, lots of depth, lots of experience and so much challenge.
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, a parent Chomp was on a loop
Speaker 1: at my house for maybe a year or two. I'm
Speaker 1: sure I think I've seen it upwards of forty but
Speaker 1: so also sorry just saying it played two people.
Speaker 2: She actually talks about how she really played four is
Speaker 2: what she feels like, because you play the two girls,
Speaker 2: and then she played the two girls switching.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's right, that's right, that's right, and so she's like,
Speaker 3: I really the experience for me was really like four girls.
Speaker 4: I never even thought of that.
Speaker 3: I know, wow, super talented.
Speaker 4: And that's where I met the Dan. And the Dan
Speaker 4: that's he's loud, like you are my sister. He is
Speaker 4: my brother, the Dan, and he's my day or whenever
Speaker 4: my husband can't.
Speaker 3: I love your husband.
Speaker 1: By the way they were, he would falling in love
Speaker 1: during holiday, and I just love her husband.
Speaker 3: He's so sweet. You guys are a perfect They're just
Speaker 3: such a great Oh you guys were like dating June holidays.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. Oh that's so fun.
Speaker 1: And they're so they're so what you I mean, what
Speaker 1: I observed and what I'm making up in my head
Speaker 1: is you two are so good at taking care of
Speaker 1: each other, Yes, I would.
Speaker 3: You would just see. It was almost you didn't even
Speaker 3: it was wordless.
Speaker 1: Sometimes they would just give each other a look and
Speaker 1: it literally meant I paragraph, and the other one would
Speaker 1: pick it up and then do the thing, and they
Speaker 1: were just talking with their eyeballs.
Speaker 4: Thank you for saying that. That's when we were first dating,
Speaker 4: and I was too I was too overwhelmed with my schedule.
Speaker 4: And during that movie he said, I don't ever want
Speaker 4: this to happen because I was actually having fun on
Speaker 4: the film, but then doing concerts every weekend. It was
Speaker 4: just too much. And then I think at one point
Speaker 4: I almost crashed and burned, and he said, never again. Well,
Speaker 4: if you'll let me, will I allow this to happen.
Speaker 4: And that was, however, many years ago. And one of
Speaker 4: the reasons that one of the many reasons that I
Speaker 4: married him is because he is interested in, Yes, the music,
Speaker 4: he's my guitarist now and we have a lot of
Speaker 4: great fun on the road, but he is more interested
Speaker 4: in keeping me safe and healthy. Has it's not as
Speaker 4: easy as it used to be, So sorry, no, I
Speaker 4: love you. It used to be and he's there to go, hey,
Speaker 4: everybody on this team. She's just one little person. And
Speaker 4: you know it's hard.
Speaker 2: It's hard to say no to things too, and so
Speaker 2: to have that person that loves you and can read
Speaker 2: you like it's you know, listen, the team that represents
Speaker 2: you you can say no to, but you know, at
Speaker 2: the end of the day, they want you to be
Speaker 2: out there doing all the opportunities. So the person that
Speaker 2: loves you being able to advocate for you and be like,
Speaker 2: actually no, And sometimes you don't even know that you
Speaker 2: need to say.
Speaker 4: No, no, I get caught up in I'm not gonna
Speaker 4: let's just talk real, like, Okay, you're fifty six now,
Speaker 4: you want to stay relevant, you want to continue to work.
Speaker 4: These are all real things. As women we have we
Speaker 4: have to hear, right, And He's like, you're relevant till
Speaker 4: the day you die. If you quit tomorrow, you've given
Speaker 4: the world so much. Stop it right now. Anybody that
Speaker 4: says that to you has got to go. I've got
Speaker 4: your back. You just let your work speak for you
Speaker 4: and stop it. And he is the balance.
Speaker 3: I feel like standing ovation yeah no, but that's the
Speaker 3: care taking. But that's the caretaking. And I remember, I
Speaker 3: don't know if you remember this, Kristen.
Speaker 1: So after we did this movie together. We just became
Speaker 1: just very fast friends and like like family. And we
Speaker 1: went to go see Hadestown Sit together in New York City,
Speaker 1: and I mean, I knew she was Kristin Chena with
Speaker 1: but I was like, I mean whatever, I've been around
Speaker 1: a lot of famous people, like going out with going
Speaker 1: out with the famous person in New York City is
Speaker 1: like no big deal. And you know, I mean, like
Speaker 1: they may recognize me from Gris Anatomy when I'm walking
Speaker 1: through that theater too, right, they might be like, look,
Speaker 1: there's there's Jess, like a camshow.
Speaker 3: I was pond scum, pond scum that they stepped on over.
Speaker 1: It was I think I got like I got some
Speaker 1: like bruises on my knees from people just knocking buy me.
Speaker 3: Just just take her out. I would have going somewhere.
Speaker 1: Going somewhere with her is my point is like going
Speaker 1: with the Queen, especially I mean especially on Broadway, and
Speaker 1: then we.
Speaker 3: Saw them after the show is so amazing.
Speaker 1: And then I remember coming to see you in something
Speaker 1: and for some reason, I'm I don't remember, but I
Speaker 1: came to see you in a show you did something
Speaker 1: go on.
Speaker 4: Broadway, my own concert and I was exhausted with it,
Speaker 4: and here Jessica shows up.
Speaker 3: You know, yes, but do you remember what happened afterwards?
Speaker 4: I feel like there was something, well, here's so.
Speaker 1: Along those lines, and I, like I said, I just
Speaker 1: love her husband so much, and he and I would
Speaker 1: we would also look at each other and sort of.
Speaker 3: Go like, okay, we got her.
Speaker 1: So I come to see your show, which was just
Speaker 1: all you in a concert, and I came to see
Speaker 1: you afterwards, and you were, I mean.
Speaker 3: Larger than life on stage.
Speaker 1: Cavilla like, this voice and this presence and everything about
Speaker 1: her performance was perfect, perfect, perfect, everything you would want.
Speaker 1: And everybody You're looking around and the lights from the
Speaker 1: stage are on people's faces and like she's reflected in
Speaker 1: their little glassy eyeballs and they're all just adoring and
Speaker 1: clapping and just living their best life there.
Speaker 3: I'm lucky enough to go see.
Speaker 1: Her afterwards, Camilla laughs at me, because I always go
Speaker 1: see people afterwards.
Speaker 2: That's why she does. Kristin, they let her see anyone.
Speaker 2: Christiane escort me out before even the end of anything.
Speaker 3: I have to leave early.
Speaker 4: Are you that first?
Speaker 2: I'm that person where they're like, well, we need you
Speaker 2: to open the exit door for everyone else and hold it,
Speaker 2: and Jessica goes and Taylor's waiting for her or whoever
Speaker 2: is waiting for her.
Speaker 1: So I go back and I see Kristin and Josh
Speaker 1: Is in the room and I looked at you because
Speaker 1: there you were in real life, and I said, you
Speaker 1: are magnificent.
Speaker 3: You are incredible. That was the most amazing show.
Speaker 1: You need to take a break, I remember, naw, And
Speaker 1: I remember being like, why am I saying this to her?
Speaker 3: Like I shouldn't be saying this to her? What am
Speaker 3: I doing? Like who am I to come in and
Speaker 3: be like you should be taking a break. But there
Speaker 3: was something, yeah, where I.
Speaker 1: Was like, you do you are so fully committed and
Speaker 1: you burn the candle and you are setting yourself on
Speaker 1: fire to keep everybody else warm. And there's a moment
Speaker 1: when the people who do know you have that that
Speaker 1: moment of recognition where you just go, Okay, hold on,
Speaker 1: give my girl a break. My girl needs to sit
Speaker 1: down and like, have a cheeseburger and watch the television.
Speaker 4: You know. I actually do remember this now, and I
Speaker 4: think it was it was not long after we did
Speaker 4: that movie. Yeah, it's it's a thing you know, we
Speaker 4: all have our what do you call it, our act,
Speaker 4: our thing, our Achilles heel. My addiction is work, and
Speaker 4: so I have to constantly I'm there now, I'm actually
Speaker 4: there right now. It's been forty one days and I
Speaker 4: am there now. And now I know, like I don't
Speaker 4: want to I want to enjoy the family and being
Speaker 4: together with my people. And if you're always tired and
Speaker 4: you're coming in, you know, exhausted, and it's not worth it.
Speaker 4: And I have that problem saying no. That is my
Speaker 4: biggest I'm sure a lot of women understand that. But yeah,
Speaker 4: probably even on this podcast right here looking at y'all,
Speaker 4: you probably understand it's like, oh, no, I can do
Speaker 4: it all. I'm strong, I'm tough, I can do it all.
Speaker 4: I should be able to do it all. But the
Speaker 4: truth is, you just you can't continue to go at
Speaker 4: a hundred miles an hour. No.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah.
Speaker 2: I want to know then, Kristin, like, when you do
Speaker 2: your self care, when you do have that moment where
Speaker 2: you're like, I'm going to take care of myself.
Speaker 3: What is it that you do? What do you like
Speaker 3: to do when you're not working? How do you yeah,
Speaker 3: how do you take care of yourself.
Speaker 4: It's been a self discovery part for me because I
Speaker 4: never would allow myself breaks. So in the past few
Speaker 4: years I've learned to do that. And some of the
Speaker 4: things I love to do, they're very silly. I like
Speaker 4: to be dazzle. I'm pretty good at it.
Speaker 3: No, I love that. I would love that too.
Speaker 4: Yep. It's very intricate and I don't use a machine.
Speaker 4: I do it by hand each stone. I love that obviously.
Speaker 4: I love to read. I mean just to sit down
Speaker 4: with a really good book and to have up thirty
Speaker 4: minutes of it of your alone time to do it.
Speaker 4: I am a small girl, who isn't I love that.
Speaker 4: I like going to Cabo. I like that. I like music, music,
Speaker 4: just putting on music and or anything on anything to
Speaker 4: binge watch. But I'm like a lot of the rest
Speaker 4: of the world and You've heard it a million times.
Speaker 4: I love true crime.
Speaker 3: I love true love true crime.
Speaker 2: Jessica, I don't know if you like true crime because, like, honestly, Kristen,
Speaker 2: just the sound of Forensic Files coming on my TV.
Speaker 3: I'm like, it's like it calms me.
Speaker 4: Same.
Speaker 2: Have you watched it?
Speaker 4: Dateline is my I watched John Benay, I now think
Speaker 4: the parents did not. I don't think the family did
Speaker 4: it at all.
Speaker 2: I'm glad we're talking abent this. I don't think they
Speaker 2: did either. But social media is back in it, and
Speaker 2: they they have some questions. There were no few prints
Speaker 2: going to them from the house.
Speaker 3: This is all I know. That's my only fact.
Speaker 4: But remember the police watched it. If you saw lou Smitt,
Speaker 4: which is the detective that was hired to do the case,
Speaker 4: if you saw his back case, you would understand that
Speaker 4: this poor And you know every time it comes up
Speaker 4: in this port it's the sun did it and works
Speaker 4: on dateline.
Speaker 3: Oh, I know what you know.
Speaker 4: I just feel bad for that family. Also, I don't
Speaker 4: know if you're into it, if you've watched the menandas.
Speaker 3: Monsters in fully in, I can't get close. I'm in. Kristin,
Speaker 3: what do you think?
Speaker 4: Should they be released?
Speaker 3: They did get them out of there, Kristin, get them out?
Speaker 4: Why do you think this? Why do you think it?
Speaker 4: I just want to talk.
Speaker 2: Can I tell you something really creepy that I haven't
Speaker 2: admitted to anybody. I was driving to Beverly Hills and
Speaker 2: I had to I looked up the house I drove by.
Speaker 4: I drove by it myself last time I was there.
Speaker 3: It's all black, Kristin. It was probably me and you
Speaker 3: outside it parked. If we probably had a picture somewhere
Speaker 3: with us.
Speaker 2: Just like looking from our cars, I would there was construction,
Speaker 2: Oh you would. When I I had no shame. It
Speaker 2: was it was like two pm. People were out taking pictures.
Speaker 2: There's a little construction going on when I was there,
Speaker 2: I don't know, but yeah, well construction, yeah, the stone construction.
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, you too. Were you sleuthing or were
Speaker 3: you just like you just wanted to see it.
Speaker 4: Well, I don't know how you felt, Camela, But I
Speaker 4: needed to revisit because I had seen that Ryan Murphy thing.
Speaker 4: I'd seen the Real Life menandas you know, the true
Speaker 4: crime documentary. Yeah, I thought I just need to see
Speaker 4: the house.
Speaker 3: I needed to see it. I needed to make some
Speaker 3: decisions for myself as to how I felt.
Speaker 2: Again from the car outside, it's sort of like my
Speaker 2: own It's like my own personal investigation happened.
Speaker 3: And I sat there and I thought, should they should
Speaker 3: be let out?
Speaker 4: What do you think they shot their parents? I mean,
Speaker 4: it's horrible, right, it's horrible.
Speaker 2: But I think they've paid for their crime. They've gone
Speaker 2: to jail for a really long time, and I think
Speaker 2: that the abuse was so heinous that I don't think
Speaker 2: there are a threat to society and I think they've
Speaker 2: paid their duties either.
Speaker 4: I don't think Camilla that they'll get out and do
Speaker 4: anything bad or naughty. I just think I don't want
Speaker 4: it to be a message to others like, hey, you
Speaker 4: get abused, you want to blow your parents away, You
Speaker 4: might get out one day too. But do I think
Speaker 4: that they've been in there for I think it was
Speaker 4: a different time. I remember it was o J. Yeah.
Speaker 3: By the way, that's what I've driven by. Is that
Speaker 3: a part? What have you driven by?
Speaker 4: The car?
Speaker 3: Are no in Brentwood? Hurts the house?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Nicole bron Simpson's. It was a little like DUPLEXI
Speaker 1: condo e thing like. It was like five minutes away
Speaker 1: from where I lived in high school, and it was
Speaker 1: I mean the entire listen my high school graduation. I
Speaker 1: think it was the day that they were they were
Speaker 1: following the Bronco No yes, yes, yes, yes, there was
Speaker 1: like you know, televised the I can't imagine living in
Speaker 1: LA when that was happening, and it was five minutes
Speaker 1: from my house, so yes, we drove by, but for
Speaker 1: a long time it was really like the road was closed.
Speaker 1: And then and that house didn't get it didn't get
Speaker 1: knocked down. That's still there. Someone lives there.
Speaker 2: Well, it's crazy that that someone clearly lives in the
Speaker 2: Menendez house. Oh, I mean it's still there.
Speaker 4: Knew that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what, This is completely.
Speaker 2: Off subject, but this is what I asked my brother
Speaker 2: because I told him I duramed by there. I said,
Speaker 2: would you ever live in a house that you knew
Speaker 2: a murder had taken place in? And I don't care
Speaker 2: how many ghosts are in there? It's a sixth bedroom.
Speaker 3: He doesn't care. He doesn't care, he doesn't care.
Speaker 4: I'm glad that you like the crime too.
Speaker 3: I love.
Speaker 1: The only one that I got really into was in
Speaker 1: the beginning, and actually it was podcast which was cereal.
Speaker 4: Hello.
Speaker 3: Did you ever listen to that? The early one?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Kristen.
Speaker 2: Do you know we're going to tell you we Jessica
Speaker 2: and I kind of part of a true crime documentary
Speaker 2: that's out right now.
Speaker 3: You don't know. I'm gonna let Jessica tell you it.
Speaker 2: Because I don't even know if I want to promote it,
Speaker 2: to be honest, but we are part of something and
Speaker 2: it's well, Jess, you got to drop her the deats.
Speaker 1: We talked to Dan Bukatinski about it as well, because
Speaker 1: I don't know if you know this about him, but
Speaker 1: we met him, well, I met him a couple times
Speaker 1: with his husband, with Don and all that. But then
Speaker 1: he came to Grays as a writer and he was
Speaker 1: on the writing staff with a woman named Elizabeth Finch,
Speaker 1: who there has recently been a documentary about who based
Speaker 1: fabricated entire art of her life, including surviving cancer, surviving
Speaker 1: just a lot, a lot, but she completely lied about
Speaker 1: all of it and was in like real relationship and
Speaker 1: friendship the way that we all are when we're on
Speaker 1: sets and sitting by chairs, and.
Speaker 3: For years, like we were very close to her for
Speaker 3: years years.
Speaker 4: How did we not start the interview with this?
Speaker 3: We had to, We had to eat to ease you
Speaker 3: in with We needed your trust, she needed your trust first.
Speaker 4: You got my trust. But like I've seen the commercials
Speaker 4: about the Finch girl, Yeah, classic narcissism.
Speaker 3: I'm not yeah, oh well, yeah, I don't know. I
Speaker 3: don't know. I have opinions.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to stay it on the pod, but
Speaker 2: we will all grab wine and we will we will
Speaker 2: discuss what I think.
Speaker 4: Okay, you know there's always I shouldn't say this. When
Speaker 4: I first hit it in the in the small way
Speaker 4: that I did with Wicked, there was a girl.
Speaker 3: That musical did. What is that musical? Yes, you know
Speaker 3: it's a long time off off off Broadway, that's right.
Speaker 4: I was a girl. I can't say her name because
Speaker 4: she ended up. Did she get to go to prison?
Speaker 4: But she she started out telling me that she had
Speaker 4: She she would come to the show every night and
Speaker 4: she would sit in the same seat or near around,
Speaker 4: you know, the same area, and she would come to
Speaker 4: the State Shore. And I got to know her because
Speaker 4: I would see her every night. And then she would
Speaker 4: start leaving. She would start leaving me small gifts and
Speaker 4: I would go, oh, my gosh, thank you X, thank
Speaker 4: you so much for the gift. And then it started
Speaker 4: becoming like a Louis Vuitton purse. And I was like,
Speaker 4: I said, oh, I can't accept that, but inside I
Speaker 4: wanted to so bad obviously, and then she she said, no,
Speaker 4: I want you to have it. And then the next
Speaker 4: week it'd be like a Valentino shawl and I'm like, I.
Speaker 3: Have the name and the number. I need her.
Speaker 4: Oh yes, I'm telling you possibly as I'm taking it
Speaker 4: from her hands.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 4: And it got to where she became in my in
Speaker 4: my group, you know, she was there every night, and
Speaker 4: then she got herself backstage everybody, and then she loaded
Speaker 4: on me that she had liver cancer and that she
Speaker 4: didn't have long to live. Now a lot of people
Speaker 4: in our industry have had this happen to them, but
Speaker 4: I was so sad for her and how can I
Speaker 4: help and what can I do? And I did a
Speaker 4: benefit concert for her to help her raise money for
Speaker 4: her for her come to find out she wasn't sick
Speaker 4: at all, and she'd done this to me. I think
Speaker 4: Kirsten Dunce and the actress Cherry Jones, and she's professional,
Speaker 4: I guess, grifter, like yeah, all this stuff, and I
Speaker 4: think this Finch girl might thought there's something that happens.
Speaker 4: They get in with your that they're ill and then
Speaker 4: they get you in that way. And of course who
Speaker 4: I'm sure imagining that you all can and you felt
Speaker 4: that like, well, that's what.
Speaker 1: We said was that you were never It was a
Speaker 1: perfect crime, right, because you're never going to say to
Speaker 1: someone never are Is that true? Is that true that
Speaker 1: you that this awful thing happened. You're never going to
Speaker 1: do that.
Speaker 4: Never.
Speaker 3: That's wild that you did a concert.
Speaker 2: You know what's scary about this is the more we
Speaker 2: talk about this, the more people have experiences with this,
Speaker 2: you think it's so crazy that, like, this is so
Speaker 2: incredibly rare, and then you realize Dan had knew somebody
Speaker 2: else I had done this too, But yes, he and
Speaker 2: don Yes, you know.
Speaker 4: It is very common, and I think they must want
Speaker 4: to look for a way in. And what I want
Speaker 4: to say to them is just be yourselves. And by
Speaker 4: the way, you don't it's not you know, we're going
Speaker 4: to get to know who, We're going to get to know,
Speaker 4: and it's going to happen the way organically, or it
Speaker 4: might not just happen. It's just we're in the public eye.
Speaker 4: And I don't even know why I'm trying to say.
Speaker 4: I felt so bad for her, and then I got
Speaker 4: so duped and then now what unfortunately it has done.
Speaker 4: And I'm sure you know what I mean. Where I'm
Speaker 4: going with this anytime someone says to me, like they'll
Speaker 4: make me backstage or after a premiere or something and
Speaker 4: they'll say, you know, I too, I have a thing
Speaker 4: called Theeer's disease. It doesn't matter what CAPS knows. It's
Speaker 4: like vertigo.
Speaker 3: I know what that is because I have tonight is
Speaker 3: how are you doing? I'm doing good.
Speaker 2: We had it.
Speaker 3: We actually had a whole episode on this. But I
Speaker 3: know that that is that can be part of it,
Speaker 3: and I I yeah, so I I know all about that.
Speaker 3: But anyway, I will let you continue to storry.
Speaker 4: But I do know what that is that you know,
Speaker 4: you don't have to have my disease or you don't
Speaker 4: have to. That's not a way in. That should never
Speaker 4: be a way in anybody. I didn't you know tonight
Speaker 4: is that comes with mineers. So I'm sorry that you
Speaker 4: have that.
Speaker 2: That's okay, I know it, and that's okay. You know
Speaker 2: what I've I you It becomes normal, it comes par
Speaker 2: your life. We can't you go without talking about Wicked,
Speaker 2: of course, I.
Speaker 4: Mean we must because we have to.
Speaker 3: We must be.
Speaker 1: We have because you're the original, because you originated this
Speaker 1: glorious character, and you gave so much to it and
Speaker 1: and you are like, You're an impossible standard to meet,
Speaker 1: but you are. You set Glinda as this incredible standard.
Speaker 1: And and somehow as we're seeing this now in movie theaters,
Speaker 1: which is so incredible, and I love those two performers.
Speaker 3: I love the movie so much.
Speaker 1: The music is I mean, just gonna I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: against and swim against the grain here.
Speaker 3: When I went to go see the movie, I was like,
Speaker 3: I know this music, like it's gonna be great.
Speaker 1: I'm sure, but like I know it like it's not
Speaker 1: gonna it's not gonna be you know, it's not gonna
Speaker 1: be like that first time that I heard it and whatever, it's.
Speaker 3: Gonna be fine. I go see the movie. I loved it.
Speaker 1: I love but I still was like, I know, I
Speaker 1: know the music. I have not stopped singing the music.
Speaker 1: The girls have been like, can you put that on again?
Speaker 1: Can we do define gravity again? Can we do popular again?
Speaker 2: And now I'm like, yes we can. You know we
Speaker 2: can do it on uh loop, Let's just keep doing it. So, Kristin,
Speaker 2: I want to ask you because you made a comment. Okay,
Speaker 2: So the Ariana and Cynthia have been getting a little
Speaker 2: they've been getting some crap right for the press tour
Speaker 2: and them being so mushy with each other, and I
Speaker 2: love it. I'm hook line and Sinker for I love it.
Speaker 2: I think I think their bond is incredible. And I
Speaker 2: read that you made a comment that you said, that
Speaker 2: is the bond that you end up having playing these characters,
Speaker 2: like you totally get it.
Speaker 3: Can you speak to that a little bit.
Speaker 4: There's only one other person on this planet that understands
Speaker 4: what it was like creating those parts, and that's Dina Monzelle.
Speaker 4: And we you know, this was before girls be together,
Speaker 4: girls supporting each other. This was before me too. This
Speaker 4: was and there we found ourselves very different actors but
Speaker 4: coming together. And I mean, I don't I don't want
Speaker 4: to say this about us, but I will say it
Speaker 4: about it. We created magic together. And when I her,
Speaker 4: when I look at her across the room, only she
Speaker 4: and I know what it was and on stage and
Speaker 4: how we and so we have this feeling of, oh,
Speaker 4: please let it be a wonderful movie. And I've said
Speaker 4: this story many times because it's the truth. Ari came
Speaker 4: backstage and when she was ten to meet me, and
Speaker 4: that she was with her grandma Nonah and I met
Speaker 4: her and she said, I want to thank Glinda and
Speaker 4: I said, oh, okay, here we go. Her grandmother said
Speaker 4: you should. You should hear her sing and she kind
Speaker 4: of sang something. I went whoa. I went whoa, and
Speaker 4: we became That's when our relationship started when she was ten.
Speaker 4: We we've worked together before. I've been in her life
Speaker 4: for a long time. I remember her calling me saying,
Speaker 4: I have this, I have this all I wanted to
Speaker 4: play for you, and it was thank you. Next, I
Speaker 4: think you're going to be fine. And then she called
Speaker 4: me and said that's what I'm auditioning for Gwindo here
Speaker 4: in COVID and I and she goes, what do I do?
Speaker 4: I said, you're you? Do you? I just remember saying
Speaker 4: I knew don't touch her, like, just don't just let
Speaker 4: her do it because she's so gifted. I didn't want
Speaker 4: to mess with it, and she didn't really ask me to,
Speaker 4: but she did say what do I do? And I said,
Speaker 4: just be you? And then she called me. I got
Speaker 4: the call back and then of course she gets the part.
Speaker 4: And then I went to the New York we had this.
Speaker 4: They had a screening for the Broadway community, which I
Speaker 4: thought was very lovely that Universal did that. But she
Speaker 4: was holding my hand through the movie. I was talking
Speaker 4: with her a lot through the process, but I think
Speaker 4: she just wanted to hold my hand. And after the
Speaker 4: movie she I was bald. I was bawling through the
Speaker 4: whole thing, just bawling. And that's that's the truth. And
Speaker 4: after the movie she said, are you proud of me?
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I'm getting so emotional listening to this
Speaker 3: right now, and I'm.
Speaker 4: So proud of you. Are you? I'm so proud of you?
Speaker 4: I mean, what could I say? She was wonderful, she added,
Speaker 4: she paid homage to me, but she did her own thing,
Speaker 4: just like Cynthia did with Adena. And recently, Adena and
Speaker 4: I were at the La premiere and we both we
Speaker 4: were on the red carpet. We just looked at each
Speaker 4: other and went, wow. You know, you think maybe something
Speaker 4: that you will be in once, maybe will land on
Speaker 4: the earth and maybe someone will remember it. But never
Speaker 4: did I think I would be alive to see it.
Speaker 4: And you know, it's a it's I'm very grateful. I'm
Speaker 4: very grateful for it. I'm grateful it was in the
Speaker 4: hands of John Chu that it was in the hands
Speaker 4: of Ariana Grande and Cynthia Rivo, who didn't just not
Speaker 4: disappoint but and I believe me, I'm not getting paid.
Speaker 4: I only speak from the from my heart. And I
Speaker 4: was so, oh, my gosh, so proud of them, and
Speaker 4: it was finally a release of I didn't and now
Speaker 4: they're doing theirs, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when you talk about the origin story and being
Speaker 1: there with a Dina and creating these parts, I think
Speaker 1: it's probably too simple to ask if it was hard.
Speaker 3: But when you were talking, I felt from you that
Speaker 3: there's story there, like putting it together?
Speaker 1: Was it because we just see the final product, We
Speaker 1: just see the oh, I mean like we see the
Speaker 1: we see the grandness and the beauty and all that.
Speaker 3: But like when you were first doing it and you
Speaker 3: were in rehearsals, was it was it hard?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Remember we had no template.
Speaker 3: What do you mean?
Speaker 4: We had no There was no movie. There was a book,
Speaker 4: but nothing like the musical. And I remember for a
Speaker 4: long time it felt like, I mean, we were together,
Speaker 4: but she was in her corner and I was in mine.
Speaker 4: We were trying to figure out our own parts and
Speaker 4: then we would come together and I just want to
Speaker 4: brag on her for a second. She really you know,
Speaker 4: I had to be a lot of the comedic relief
Speaker 4: in that. And then and at the end, Glinda grows
Speaker 4: and there's a lot of depth there, but a Dina.
Speaker 4: You know, there's there's something that we're hearing over and
Speaker 4: over right now, and it's the battle cry. I want
Speaker 4: to make sure everybody knows how that was born, because
Speaker 4: she probably wouldn't say it, but it was the We've
Speaker 4: all heard it a million times. Yeah. I remember being
Speaker 4: in rehearsal and I had listen. I had been given
Speaker 4: free reign to do Glinda, and I did to the
Speaker 4: nth degree and even wrote some of the lines. I mean,
Speaker 4: I was busy. I was busy, but I remember the
Speaker 4: day in rehearsal, Dina just been given the chance to
Speaker 4: be green for a second for the first time, and
Speaker 4: she was doing fine gravity and I remember at the
Speaker 4: end it's not written, Ah, it's not written. I just
Speaker 4: remember going let me down. Ah. And I want it
Speaker 4: to be known that, you know, there's things I bore,
Speaker 4: the hair flip, the dialogue, there's things I did, but
Speaker 4: that's us together, and that's you know, that was us
Speaker 4: being given free rein and was it always easy? No,
Speaker 4: we had no, we had no, we didn't know what
Speaker 4: we're doing. We opened it in San Francisco, and I
Speaker 4: remember after coming down in the bubble and then define gravity.
Speaker 4: I went to her intermission and I said, it ain't
Speaker 4: gonna matter what the critics say, as the people love it.
Speaker 4: And she was she was, oh, my god, great about
Speaker 4: am I sounding good? Am I doing good? Shit was
Speaker 4: amazing all the time.
Speaker 1: By the way, pause right there right, someone who we
Speaker 1: all know as magnificent was wondering if she was okay, Like.
Speaker 3: We all have self doubt, we all doubt ourselves.
Speaker 4: Hello, I was like, is it funny? Listen, no matter
Speaker 4: who you are, no matter who you are, you're going
Speaker 4: to question. That's I think that's one of the things
Speaker 4: that makes people great is that they hearn so much,
Speaker 4: they care so much, and then ultimately you have to
Speaker 4: shud that and go it doesn't matter. I'm gonna do it.
Speaker 4: And so when I hear Cynthia doing her version of that,
Speaker 4: which is very different, I think I know where that
Speaker 4: was born. And then Cynthia is allowed to come into
Speaker 4: hers It's the passing of the broom, so to speak.
Speaker 4: Wand if you're lucky enough to have something in your
Speaker 4: career like you both have had, that you can attach
Speaker 4: yourself to that. To this day, if I do a
Speaker 4: concert and I don't sing popular or any songs that
Speaker 4: are attached to me, I could get shot all my
Speaker 4: money back. That's right, and I will always do it always.
Speaker 1: But what's really important, So this podcas was born of
Speaker 1: our friendship and our connection on you know, a show that,
Speaker 1: like you said, managed managed to grab.
Speaker 3: People and give them comfort.
Speaker 1: And we we we have, you know, a group of
Speaker 1: people that have that has grown since we started, and
Speaker 1: we call them the crew, and it's the call it Crew.
Speaker 1: And they they write in and they call in, and
Speaker 1: they do so with such bravery and such vulnerability. And
Speaker 1: many times, you know, we talk about how loneliness is
Speaker 1: a real epidemic, and it's been it's been.
Speaker 3: Understood, stated and and and articulated.
Speaker 1: Very well that this is happening, that there are people
Speaker 1: who are lonely, and when people are lonely, what do
Speaker 1: they do? And lots of times if they doubt themselves
Speaker 1: and they write in with all these different things. But
Speaker 1: that's but it's a real thread that's through many of them,
Speaker 1: which is like, how do I know if I'm on
Speaker 1: the right path, How do I know when to start
Speaker 1: my family? How do I know about this friend that's
Speaker 1: like doesn't feel right?
Speaker 3: But I don't know.
Speaker 1: I really love them and I can't imagine not having them,
Speaker 1: but this doubt, doubt, doubt, And I think it's always
Speaker 1: so important to remember that these people that you think
Speaker 1: are larger than life and that have no worries in
Speaker 1: the world or just came upon this thing and magically
Speaker 1: opened up their mouths and had this ah, and.
Speaker 3: Then it's hard one, and that you doubt yourself and you.
Speaker 1: Think it's not right, and you're sometimes not brave enough
Speaker 1: to sing it the loudest and sometimes you're not even
Speaker 1: brave enough to sing it at all, But that these
Speaker 1: are the moments that make us human and connect us.
Speaker 1: And so you two, having born witness to that struggle
Speaker 1: and that definition of self and character is so important.
Speaker 4: I'm so glad that y'all talk about these things on
Speaker 4: your show on your podcast, because I think I don't
Speaker 4: know how you feel, but it feels like and it
Speaker 4: doesn't matter if you're a performer or an accountant or whatever,
Speaker 4: no matter how successful, you get with more success or
Speaker 4: becomes more pressure. Yeah, and I even find myself thinking,
Speaker 4: oh my gosh, what am I doing here, I'm a
Speaker 4: big loser. People can see through me. I'm just faking it. No,
Speaker 4: that's the devil talk. And as my mother would say,
Speaker 4: that's the negative. And we can all let it in.
Speaker 4: We can all let it in and it doesn't it
Speaker 4: doesn't matter who you are, you have it, and it's
Speaker 4: it's nice to hear there's it's nice that there's conversations
Speaker 4: like this that people know that no matter who you are,
Speaker 4: famous not famous, success will not so so it doesn't matter.
Speaker 4: We all have the insecurity. We all just do. It's
Speaker 4: we're human.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know what. I love that you said
Speaker 3: to you.
Speaker 2: I love that you said that their battle cries were
Speaker 2: different because it got me thinking, like, well, what's my
Speaker 2: version of my battle cry?
Speaker 4: Very Well said yeah, you.
Speaker 3: Know, like what's mine? Oh, I'm going to hear it
Speaker 3: later right after.
Speaker 4: Want to do the video of that.
Speaker 3: It's coming. I got to practice it. I don't know
Speaker 3: what it is, Kristen, but it's going to be pretty amazing.
Speaker 3: It's pretty amazing.
Speaker 4: I think that we should encourage all women, especially women,
Speaker 4: to find their own battle cry. Actually, because my gosh,
Speaker 4: it's hard enough. And and to have like you two,
Speaker 4: who are good friends, I'd love to see it women
Speaker 4: supporting women and that it's there's room for everybody at
Speaker 4: the top. All of this is true when I was younger.
Speaker 4: I'll just tell you, when I was younger and boy
Speaker 4: cannot talk. But when I was younger, it was not
Speaker 4: it was you got to you got it. It's all
Speaker 4: You're on your own. You're on your own. And now
Speaker 4: with this women power thing, I'm thinking, thank goodness because
Speaker 4: this is always felt natural to me. Instead of pitting women,
Speaker 4: it would be easy. It would have been easy, I think,
Speaker 4: for Adena and I to have been pitted against each other.
Speaker 4: And I think and whenever that might have crept in,
Speaker 4: we both went h. We have a job to do
Speaker 4: and we have goals to create. But now it's even
Speaker 4: like you look at Ariana and Cynthia holding each other's hand,
Speaker 4: seeing each other. I don't mind it one bit. I'm
Speaker 4: here for it, just like I'm here for Travis Kelsey
Speaker 4: and Taylor Swift's love. I'm here.
Speaker 3: We're for girls, same we're here for it. We're here
Speaker 3: for it all.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 3: I'm here for the good.
Speaker 1: The good that I mean, it's just it's very inspiring
Speaker 1: and I love that there's just the freedom to share it,
Speaker 1: you know, to share the stories.
Speaker 3: Kristin. I am thank you so much for you podcast.
Speaker 3: You you want your number so that you can send
Speaker 3: me videos to I.
Speaker 4: Will send you videos from the tub.
Speaker 3: I want all of them. I'm not kidding. I don't
Speaker 3: care where you are.
Speaker 1: One time she sent me, I went to go, like
Speaker 1: click on the video she sent me, but it was
Speaker 1: just dark. It was black and it was because it
Speaker 1: was nighttime and.
Speaker 3: All the lights were off. But She's still send me
Speaker 3: a video instead of a voice.
Speaker 4: Note.
Speaker 3: I don't even I don't care how dark it is, Kristin.
Speaker 4: Okay, I know.
Speaker 3: I just love you.
Speaker 4: I love you guys. You're amazing.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much. You're the best. I'm calling I'm
Speaker 3: calling you in a minute. I love you. Goodbye. That
Speaker 3: was literally I'm not even kidding when I say that
Speaker 3: was one of my favorite interviews we've ever done.
Speaker 2: I'm obsessed. It's not even funny. I'm like, I loved
Speaker 2: her before she came on, but now I'm like next level.
Speaker 3: By the way, I'm gonna give you her numbers. I'm
Speaker 3: not she's not joking. I'm not kidding. She's amazing.
Speaker 1: But also, can I just say something, I felt like
Speaker 1: you were super on too, like you had great questions
Speaker 1: and great connection points.
Speaker 3: It's because I'm a professional. Do you just slur when
Speaker 3: you said professional? I mean I've been drinking. I've been drinking.
Speaker 3: I haven't drinking. Maybe that's why battle cry. I haven't drinking.
Speaker 3: It's because I'm a professional. Professional while your microphones.
Speaker 2: No, i' I held this so tight. I can't believe
Speaker 2: Chris and I were both at the Menanda's house.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's pretty funny. That's pretty funny.
Speaker 2: Literally, I mean it sounds so cheesy, and I'm gonna
Speaker 2: do the cheesybursion of this wrap up anyway.
Speaker 3: It was literally magical. Yeah, yeah, she is. She really is.
Speaker 3: I don't know what to tell you.
Speaker 2: And I love what she said about her husband, like
Speaker 2: he's the best the knowing of giving yourself a break,
Speaker 2: because that's hard. It's hard to the pressures that she
Speaker 2: talks about.
Speaker 3: And they really give themselves to each other.
Speaker 1: I mean, at least from where I've sat, like they
Speaker 1: really like have put each other, in in each other's care,
Speaker 1: and she and he is he's a guitarist. You know,
Speaker 1: he's on so I mean, so they also figured out
Speaker 1: how to do what they love together.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's a challenge. And she she's no joke.
Speaker 1: She's on the road all the time. And really she
Speaker 1: wanted to be one of our first guests. And she
Speaker 1: was testing out a musical and doing a run in Boston.
Speaker 1: And I mean truly, there was not there wasn't a
Speaker 1: minute in her schedule. She didn't have a free hour.
Speaker 1: I'm so grateful. I would take ten minutes with her,
Speaker 1: but I also need her to rest.
Speaker 3: Anyway. I loved, loved every second. Me too, Me too.
Speaker 1: Okay, well I don't. I mean, I'm not sure how.
Speaker 1: I mean, we're gonna maybe, but how do you top that?
Speaker 1: I think we should just stop.
Speaker 3: We're just gonna show up and we're just gonna call it.
Speaker 3: And I have to go lay down. I had to process, I.
Speaker 4: Know, I know, I know.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm gonna give it, gonna send you her number
Speaker 1: and then and then we're gonna have a group chat.
Speaker 3: How about that? Yes, I love that. Let's call it, Jess,
Speaker 3: Let's call it the end of the episode,