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Speaker 1: What's up, friends that welcome in to Fantasy pros. This

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Speaker 1: is the Fantasy Football Podcast, and today we have got

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Speaker 1: massive upside.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 1: We have got twelve players in fantasy football draft that

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Speaker 1: you need to be targeting, that have got all the

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Speaker 1: upside in the world. And joining me on the podcast today,

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Speaker 1: of course, we've got the great and powerful Pat fitz Morris.

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Speaker 1: And joining us on the show is mister Joe Dolan,

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Speaker 1: owner and editor in chief over at Fantasy Points, host

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Speaker 1: of Football Game Day over on sirius xxim mister Joe Dolan,

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Speaker 1: how are you, my friend?

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Speaker 3: I'm doing well, guys, how about you?

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Speaker 4: They're currently maybe pressing our luck a little bit here.

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Speaker 4: They started demolishing my master bathroom today. I've had a

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Speaker 4: leak for like three months, just a massive undertaking and

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Speaker 4: a massive amount out of my wallet. So hopefully the podcast,

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Speaker 4: or hopefully the takes I have on this podcast are

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Speaker 4: going to.

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Speaker 3: Help pay me back at Best Ball later.

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Speaker 2: Ye.

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Speaker 1: There's always that like universal thing where if like you

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Speaker 1: are giving a take an upside guy and then all

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Speaker 1: of a sudden we hear like digit, maybe that'll be

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Speaker 1: like a warning sign that maybe that's not the guy

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Speaker 1: we want to Well, we'll take that for either. We'll

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Speaker 1: go on either one. Pat Uh getting and locking in

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Speaker 1: these upside players. Did you find it difficult? Because we're

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Speaker 1: gonna be going through kind of the gambit of higher

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Speaker 1: end upside guys. We're gonna get some deep plays. This

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Speaker 1: almost toes the line of the like what's a sleeper

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Speaker 1: and what's a breakout and what's an upside? What is

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Speaker 1: your just real quick approach when you were tackling these

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Speaker 1: massive upside players that we're going to talk about.

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Speaker 5: I mean, there are a few guys have kind of

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Speaker 5: and a few of these guys have kind of evolved

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Speaker 5: into sort of new favorites of mine, where just the

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Speaker 5: last month or so, I've had kind of a rethink

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Speaker 5: or a lot more than I did two months ago.

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Speaker 1: So we might have lost some upside over the last

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Speaker 1: forty eight hours in a big trade that happened in

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Speaker 1: football where John news Smith, who upside play whatever, you know,

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Speaker 1: huge season, but his new destination with the Pittsburgh Steelers

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Speaker 1: has really chopped off at least most of us think

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Speaker 1: out there in the market looking for a tight end.

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Speaker 1: We've all started to speculate who could they bring in

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Speaker 1: because there's a potential upside if you look at what

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Speaker 1: John Who did in the Dolphins offense, who could come in,

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Speaker 1: who could bring that big upside, ladies and gentlemen. Apparently

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Speaker 1: it's Darren Waller And we got that weird trade that

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Speaker 1: just went down just as we're recording this. Darren Waller

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Speaker 1: weird place to bring this in talking about Darren Waller

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Speaker 1: of all guys with upside, but just to touch on

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Speaker 1: it because this is fresh and new, there's going to

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Speaker 1: Mister Joe Dolan, let's start with you. Is there any

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Speaker 1: actual fantasy relevance? Is there any upside? I'm not talking

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Speaker 1: massive upside. Is there any upside with Darren Waller returning

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Speaker 1: with a couple of years where he had been very

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Speaker 1: fantasy relevant going to this Dolphins offense. Is there any

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Speaker 4: Well, my first thought when this trade broke was he

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Speaker 4: foolishly fumbled the Kelsey plumbbag with their divorce and needs

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Speaker 4: some money. That's why he's coming back. There was a

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Speaker 4: clip that Graham Barfield from Fantasy Points was throwing around

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Speaker 4: on Twitter essentially of Darren Waller saying that he knew

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Speaker 4: he was going to retire in October of twenty twenty

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Speaker 4: Obviously he's had a lot of injuries. But I just

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Speaker 4: do not see anything that's going to appeal to me here.

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Speaker 4: It feels like to me and Guy Patton, you guys

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Speaker 4: can say this if you disagree, it just feels like

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Speaker 4: I just don't think it's gonna matter. We ran our

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Speaker 4: projections at Fantasy Points immediately after the trade and he

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Speaker 4: came out as tight end thirty three. That's somebody who

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Speaker 4: is barely draftable in a Best Ball eighteen round kind

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Speaker 4: of underdog style draft. You know your tight end premiums

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Speaker 4: like FFPC, Sure take a shot. I put in some

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Speaker 4: claims in my dynasty leagues as well, because the high

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Speaker 4: of the season and I can flip him for an asset.

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Speaker 4: I'm just not expecting that to happen.

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Speaker 1: Pat, Our resident Siko Andrew Erickson put out a poll,

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Speaker 1: right does this happen? And said who would you rather

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Speaker 1: this season? Darren Waller or Kyle Pitts. What do you say, Pat,

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Speaker 1: where are you at on the Darren Waller stuff? And

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Speaker 5: I mean, I have not totally quit on Kyle Pitts

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Speaker 5: just yet, because he had his last decent season more

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Speaker 5: to me, feels a lot like the Josh Gordon thing

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Speaker 5: after his best season, or like his last really good season.

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Speaker 5: Darren Waller's last really good season was I believe twenty twenty,

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Speaker 5: So now he's thirty three. You know, I don't know

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Speaker 5: I'm just like not interested in going there. When I

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Speaker 5: to hear that Joe and the Fantasy Points guys are

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, it's funny that when we were going

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Speaker 4: this does work out on some level and we still

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Speaker 4: only got them to tight end thirty three. Look, here's

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Speaker 4: the thing. I know, absence makes the heart grow fonder.

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Speaker 4: But I was out on Darren Waller when he was

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Speaker 4: traded to the Giants two years ago. Why would I

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Speaker 1: And I'd say, ask yourself, would you rather draft Darren

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Speaker 2: With getting my toenails pulled out, you can if.

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Speaker 1: You want, I mean, still gonna take that over Waller.

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Speaker 1: So that's where we're at here. But you guys can

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Speaker 1: decide in the comments below. Are you drafting Darren Waller

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Speaker 1: It's making Kyle Pitt seem a lot better? All right,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about real upside. That's fake upside. We've

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Speaker 1: different spots. As I mentioned, we've got a couple players

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Speaker 3: Have picked six, so we've got twelve total.

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Speaker 1: And if you guys want to check out the ranks

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Speaker 1: that we'll be referring to, you can go to fantasypros

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Speaker 1: dot com slash ranks, and you can check out we're

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Speaker 1: using half PPR on this one. You can check out

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Speaker 1: all the great stuff that we've got on the ranks,

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Speaker 1: from full to superflex to Dynasty to have to standard.

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Speaker 1: Those are the references with all of the amazing rankers

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Speaker 1: out there creating the expert Consensus ranks. Gentlemen, let's jump

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Speaker 1: into this. We are starting. These are our early ceiling

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Speaker 1: players that we're going to be talking about. Joe, we

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Speaker 1: are going to start with you massive massive upside on whom?

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Speaker 1: Which player are you picking for the first massive upside?

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Speaker 4: So I don't want this to become a dolphin centric

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Speaker 4: And I also don't want this to misrepresent my actual

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Speaker 4: feelings of the Miami Dolphins this year. I don't know

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Speaker 4: what their plan is. I locked in a five unit

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Speaker 4: Devon A.

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Speaker 4: I gotta tell you he is the expert Consensus RB

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Speaker 4: six he's going in the second round. But with John

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Speaker 4: new Smith gone, I think there's massive upside for a

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Speaker 4: Chan in the passing game. One of the things that

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Speaker 4: we chart at Fantasy Points Data is designed targets.

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Speaker 4: forty percent of the Dolphins targets behind the line of scrimmage.

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Speaker 4: So we have Devon Achan who had a massive role

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Speaker 4: forty design targets this year. He is going to be

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Speaker 3: Chan's an easy quick for me and Pat.

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Speaker 1: One thing I really love too is like as mentioned here,

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Speaker 1: with the with John Smith leaving, we've seen and a

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Speaker 3: You've seen the usage numbers.

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Speaker 1: The usage numbers pop when John Who is out and

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Speaker 1: devon a chan being like a twenty two percent target

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Speaker 1: At ECR six as far as running backs and half

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Speaker 1: point PPR. Do you think you're going to be I

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Speaker 1: don't know where you have him relative to this, but

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Speaker 1: I'm curious about the massive upside that Joe just mentioned

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Speaker 1: just as a quick take here. And do you think

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Speaker 1: we're going to see him move up in rank a

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Speaker 1: little bit as rankers start to put updates in because

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Speaker 1: of John Oh being gone?

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Speaker 2: I think we will.

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Speaker 5: I moved him off a spot I think in my

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Speaker 5: if I moved him up far enough.

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Speaker 2: And so I too him confused about the.

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Speaker 5: Miami offense and what it's going to look like this year,

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Speaker 5: and I too bet the under on Miami's win total.

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Speaker 2: Glad to hear Joe was on that.

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Speaker 5: I you know, tried to talk my wife into, you know,

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Speaker 5: just shoving in the whole college fund.

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Speaker 2: I'm so confident in that one.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, like what I want to see is if

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Speaker 5: Miami returns the verticality to their passing game because to

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Speaker 1: That's a massive and a perfect you know, just move

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Speaker 5: The one spot where Cincinnati might have a average defensive

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Speaker 5: got these contract standoffs with Trey Hendrickson, their star pass rusher,

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Speaker 5: The Bengals basically bumble through their relationships with edge rushers

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Speaker 5: I fully expect Joe Burrow to be top three in

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Speaker 5: anyone on T Higgins being good at football, like nine

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Speaker 5: I won't waste any more time making that case. The

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Speaker 5: last point, A healthy T Higgins is going to put

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Speaker 5: But if Chase, we're going to miss any time. Go

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Speaker 5: Over the last three years, in the five games Jamar

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Speaker 4: I'm taking McConkie. I really like McConkie. I think he's

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Speaker 3: But I'm kind of with.

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Speaker 4: You, Pat, and I don't want to step on Welsh's toes.

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Speaker 4: Here we have Joe Burrow projected to lead the NFL

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Speaker 4: I'll make a big play. But now I like Higgins

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Speaker 4: He's my most clicked receiver in that range. But I

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Speaker 4: do still have him behind mcconkee. I do.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm a cry baby if I don't get mconkee,

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Speaker 1: like in the second round, I just cry. I did

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Speaker 1: Mcconkeye's route running ability. I think he's going to get

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Speaker 1: The t Higgins thing is really interesting because that was

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Speaker 1: you brought up the first thing. I think that a

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Speaker 3: It's not to say.

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Speaker 1: Can he be good, Like we know he can be good,

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Speaker 1: he's massively talented, but can he have the huge, huge

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Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting his final eight games he had

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Speaker 1: At the end of the day, not can be good

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Speaker 1: You know we threw out Lad. You want Lad over him,

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Speaker 1: t Higgins I think is already priced. I think it

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Speaker 1: a really appropriate range. Can he jump London? Can he

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean I think it's I think it's a

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Speaker 4: I be shocked if T. Higgins as a number two

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Speaker 4: So there are some questions there. We know what Joe

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Speaker 5: Yeah, just to piggyback on Joe's point there, that would

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Speaker 1: Massive Upside, we are going back to the wide receivers.

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Speaker 1: This is ECR Wide Receiver nineteen according to Fantasy Pros

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Speaker 1: and half PPR mister Joe Dolan, who is your massive

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Speaker 1: Upside player.

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Speaker 4: So she Rice and look, he was a guy we

445
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Speaker 4: were pounding the table for a Fantasy points last year

446
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Speaker 4: because the evidence at that point showed that she Rice

447
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Speaker 4: wasn't going to be suspended for twenty twenty four. A

448
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Speaker 4: lot of that coming from my friend Drew Davenport, who

449
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Speaker 4: also does phenomenal works as a lawyer, and he's always

450
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Speaker 4: analyzing these NFL legal situations part of our job that

451
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Speaker 4: we wish we didn't have to do, but unfortunately we do.

452
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Speaker 4: And his analysis is it looks like at this point

453
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Speaker 4: Rashi Rice's criminal case is going to be pushed to

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Speaker 4: the end of the twenty twenty five season, if not

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Speaker 4: into twenty twenty six, and the NFL is not going

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Speaker 4: to suspend him until we get answers from that case.

457
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Speaker 4: And now, if, for she Rice is coming back from

458
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Speaker 4: that injury, a serious injury, he would have been honestly

459
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Speaker 4: one of the, if not the league winning pick last

460
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Speaker 4: year if he didn't get hurt. Now, the injury is

461
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Speaker 4: a big deal, there's no doubt about that. But in

462
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Speaker 4: thirteen games in his career in which he's played a

463
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Speaker 4: run a route on sixty percent or more of the

464
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Speaker 4: Chiefs passing plays, he is the equivalent of wide receiver twelve.

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Speaker 4: You're already getting a discount in ADP, You're getting a

466
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Speaker 4: discount and expert consensus ranking. I think he's got an

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Speaker 4: opportunity to finishes a real wide receiver one with Patrick

468
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Speaker 4: Mahomes this year, and I think that Chiefs offense is

469
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Speaker 4: going to be more explosive this year than it has

470
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Speaker 4: been in recent years. I think he's got a huge

471
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Speaker 4: opportunity here to buck the trend ever since Patrick Mahomes

472
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Speaker 4: has taken over a starter, and I think even before then,

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Speaker 4: it's like a ten year run of either Travis Kelcey

474
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Speaker 4: or Tyreek Hill leading the Chiefs and targets. I think

475
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Speaker 4: that changes this year. I think Rashee Rice gets it done.

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Speaker 1: And it's really weird because the team, you know, the

477
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Speaker 1: volume kind of moves around and they get to a

478
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Speaker 1: lot of players. And the only reason I'm bringing this

479
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Speaker 1: up because I think she Rice kind of kind of

480
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Speaker 1: bucks that trend, like he is that new volume player.

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Speaker 1: But what did we do all season?

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Speaker 2: Pat?

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Speaker 1: We talked about Xavier Worthy in the Rashi Rice role.

484
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Speaker 1: So Xavier Worthy maybe kind of opens this up.

485
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Speaker 3: Do you think Worthy at all caps some.

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Speaker 1: Of this or do you think Rashi Rice can just

487
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Speaker 1: jump back into that role that we've seen before, which

488
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Speaker 1: is probably going to be a higher end wide receiver

489
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Speaker 1: one if he gets that type of volume, or do

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Speaker 1: you think Worthy maybe caps him a tiny bit.

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Speaker 2: I've wrestled with this.

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Speaker 5: I so when Worthy was smashing late last year and smashing,

493
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Speaker 5: I mean he had fifty catches over the Chiefs last

494
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Speaker 5: eight games playoffs included, so that's one hundred catch pace.

495
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Speaker 5: But yes, that was because he was into that Rashi

496
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Speaker 5: Rice role, which no doubt, Rashi Rice is going to

497
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Speaker 5: have back now and it's going to be Xavier Worthy

498
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Speaker 5: running routesteeper downfield, but he's going to get to get

499
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Speaker 5: targeted on some of those routes. Like Xavier Worthy has

500
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Speaker 5: shown he's pretty good. So I do feel like we're

501
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Speaker 5: not going to get the same Rashi Rice who was

502
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Speaker 5: just crushing it and was the wide receiver one or

503
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Speaker 5: two in PPR scoring through three weeks last year. Like,

504
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Speaker 5: I don't think he's getting that sort of target volume

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Speaker 5: now that the Xavier Worthy genie.

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Speaker 2: Is out of the bottle.

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Speaker 5: But I do still feel like Rice is going to

508
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Speaker 5: be really impactful. So I just don't know where. And

509
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Speaker 5: you know, if he a lot of people are talking

510
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Speaker 5: him up and he's going to go in the second

511
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Speaker 5: round to some drafts, and I don't know if I

512
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Speaker 5: want him in the second round, But I do want

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Speaker 5: some Rashi Rice exposure this year. So it's gonna be

514
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Speaker 5: kind of a hard tightrope for me to walk.

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Speaker 1: I definitely want some exposure to Rashi Rice, because if

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Speaker 1: we do get that volume back, I mean, nine targets

517
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Speaker 1: in two of the first three games last season. You know, first,

518
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Speaker 1: give me some first catch bets on a first drive

519
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Speaker 1: to Rashi Rice. Just get him the ball, and I

520
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:33,160
Speaker 1: like seven to eight catches per game. I actually really

521
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Speaker 1: like this play. But I think worthy is somebody that

522
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Speaker 1: is floating out there that is going to make some

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Speaker 1: people think, all right, player number four, we're going back

524
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Speaker 1: to running backs. We've got cr RB fifteen for you, Pat,

525
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:44,920
Speaker 1: who's your upside play.

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Speaker 5: It's Kenneth Walker the third and yeah, his ECR forty

527
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Speaker 5: first overall. I think that ranking sort of factors in

528
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Speaker 5: what most people would consider to be a higher than

529
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Speaker 5: average injury risk for Kenneth Walker. He missed six games

530
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Speaker 5: last year, miss two games the year before that. I

531
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Speaker 5: have Walker ranked RB fourteen thirty six overall, so I'm

532
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:08,760
Speaker 5: not way above consensus, but I don't know right now.

533
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 5: I've Kenneth Walker ranked right below Breze Hall, a fellow

534
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,119
Speaker 5: member of that twenty twenty two draft class, and I'm

535
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Speaker 5: wondering if I should maybe have Walker ranked higher. So

536
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:19,480
Speaker 5: what is it that has to go right for Kenneth

537
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:22,720
Speaker 5: Walker to return? A nice profit on his mid fourth

538
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:27,480
Speaker 5: round cost. Obviously, stay healthy, give us sixteen or seventeen games.

539
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Speaker 5: If he does that, I think he's gonna finish as

540
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Speaker 5: a top twelve running back. And it's great that we

541
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Speaker 5: have Joe here because I'm going to spotlight some of

542
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Speaker 5: the great work that people can find it at Joe's

543
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:41,880
Speaker 5: outfit Fantasy Points. Joe's colleague Ryan Heath wrote a really

544
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 5: insightful article last month on rushing scheme fits, and Ryan

545
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Speaker 5: pointed out that the Seahawks are switching to primarily an

546
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Speaker 5: outside zone running scheme under a new offensive coordinator, Clint Kubiak,

547
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Speaker 5: and Kenneth Walker has thrived on outside zone runs throughout

548
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Speaker 5: his career. He averages four point five to four yards

549
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 5: per carry on such runs, which is thirteen percent better

550
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Speaker 5: than he averages on other types of runs. And in

551
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Speaker 5: addition to Clint Kubiak, the Seahawks also hired Rick Dennison

552
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Speaker 5: as their running game coordinator. Dennison used to work with

553
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Speaker 5: Clint Kubak's dad, Gary in Denver back in the nineties

554
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 5: and two thousands, and the Broncos had some incredible rushing

555
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 5: seasons back then with Terrell Davis and Clinton Portis. Yes,

556
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 5: those guys were great backs, but the Broncos also got

557
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:30,639
Speaker 5: big rushing seasons out of dudes like Rubin Drones, Mike Anderson,

558
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 5: Tatum Bell back when Gary Kubiak and Rick Dennison were

559
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 5: working together. So and when Clint Kubiak was the Vikings

560
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 5: OC in twenty twenty one, Dalvin Cook had almost twelve

561
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:43,879
Speaker 5: hundred rushing yards in thirteen games. The scheme just works.

562
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 5: So Walker is getting plugged into a historically successful scheme

563
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:51,199
Speaker 5: that really fits what he does best, get to the

564
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Speaker 5: edge and make people miss. And oh, by the way,

565
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Speaker 5: Walker also turned into a pretty prolific pass catcher last season,

566
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Speaker 5: with a career high forty six catches and only eleven

567
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,679
Speaker 5: And so yeah, I think Walker is big time upside

568
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 5: this year.

569
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Speaker 1: It's a really compelling argument too, just because I think

570
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,439
Speaker 1: Walker has fallen for a lot of people in just

571
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Speaker 1: to this territory of like disinterest, because like sharbon Ay

572
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 1: is there but this idea of more outside zone running

573
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 1: that literally plays to Ken Walker. So what do you

574
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 1: think about this one, Joe.

575
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 4: Well, he already took all the fantasy points status stuff

576
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 4: that I was going to reference, So let me throw

577
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 4: out let me build on a point that Pat made

578
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 4: there at his improvement as a receiver. Did you know

579
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Speaker 4: that Kenneth Walker was fifth in target share among running

580
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 4: backs last year? The only guys who were ahead of

581
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Speaker 4: him were Alvin Kamara, all right, Christian McCaffrey, Devon Han

582
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,639
Speaker 4: who we just talked about in Brisaw. Those are the

583
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:42,680
Speaker 4: only four running backs ahead of him in target share

584
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:46,639
Speaker 4: last year. So I see a potential bell Cow profile

585
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 4: getting drafted in like the fifth sixth round. He is

586
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,640
Speaker 4: my most drafted running back on Underdog. He is going

587
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 4: to continue to be my most drafted running back on Underdog.

588
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:56,640
Speaker 4: He could be your number one if you go wide

589
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 4: receiver heavy early and have kind of a modified it

590
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 4: zero RB. I know there's a big debate about what

591
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 4: actually constitutes zero RB, but I think he could be

592
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:10,160
Speaker 4: a borderline hero RB that you can get for borderline

593
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 4: zero RB price. I love Kenneth Walker this year. This

594
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 4: is the only one. By the way Pat sent the

595
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,400
Speaker 4: names that he was considering before the podcast, he said,

596
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,639
Speaker 4: if there's any overlap, let me know this was the

597
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 4: guy I was gonna have. So I pivoted a little

598
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 4: bit to Rashi Rice, but I love this Kenneth Walker one.

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Speaker 5: I'm really so I stole from Joe, but I have

600
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Speaker 5: to send Ryan Heath a royalty check for that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the trade off fun fact in this as well.

602
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 1: Ken Walker in full PPR is also fifteen at RB,

603
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 1: so there's no bump up, so maybe even a little

604
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 1: bit more value. We're talking about target share in the

605
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 1: passing game. There might be even more upside massive upside

606
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Speaker 1: in full. We're looking at half PPR when we're doing this,

607
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Speaker 1: but just a full look here before we jump into

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Speaker 1: We are going to player number five now moving to

638
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Speaker 1: our mid breakout. So we're kind of moving down the

639
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Speaker 1: ECR ranks here on the overall and Joe, we're going

640
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Speaker 1: to start with you. You've got a wide receiver. He

641
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 1: is ECR Wide Receiver thirty five.

642
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Speaker 3: Hit us with him.

643
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Speaker 4: Yeah, so this is like a breakout category. But apparently

644
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 4: the experts and ADP expects this guy to break back

645
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 4: in because Jordan Addison is way underpriced to me over

646
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Speaker 4: the last two combined seasons in half PPR on Underdog,

647
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 4: he's the wide receiver twenty. He's wide receiver thirty five

648
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 4: by expert consensus ranking. And look, obviously the concern is

649
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 4: that JJ McCarthy isn't good. Well, what did we know

650
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:10,000
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651
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 4: at least that's what we thought we knew, and then

652
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 4: Jordan Addison comes out and has a fantastic year. Kevin

653
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 4: O'Connell seems to be a quarterback whisperer. We've got great

654
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 4: seasons from Jordan Addison with both with both Kirk Cousins

655
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 4: and Sam Donald, we have great seasons or great games

656
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 4: from him. With the likes of Nick Mullens. You know,

657
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 4: you remember Nick Mullens just airing the but it looks

658
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 4: like he's throwing a water balloon out there, you know,

659
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 4: it's just barely moving and he's thrown for four hundred yards.

660
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 4: I just think this Kevin O'Connell offense is so well

661
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 4: designed that it's essentially quarterback proof. It is the offense

662
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 4: I would pick to go into if I were a

663
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 4: quarterback trying to recoup my value on the free agent market.

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00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 4: I think JJ McCarthy is set up very well, and

665
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 4: I just think Jordan Addison is way too underpriced. The

666
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 4: thirty fifth in the ranking for a guy who's been

667
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 4: the twentieth wide receiver over the last two years. Easy easy,

668
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 4: easy click for me, and an easy stack with JJ McCarthy.

669
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 1: You know, it kind of reminds me of you know,

670
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 1: that conversation we'll have where you see like two wide receivers,

671
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 1: like wide receivers ranked eighteen and a wide receiver ranked

672
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 1: twenty three, but then the quarterback is like ranked twenty five,

673
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 1: and we're like, hey, by the way, how does the

674
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 1: quarterback value not kind of match up with there? There's

675
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 1: a similar thing going on where most people are talking

676
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 1: about justin Jefferson and he's number two overall player, number

677
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 1: two wide receiver. Maybe in some respects number one, we're

678
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 1: gonna be okay, But Jordan Edison is not getting that

679
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 1: same respect. It's only Justin Jefferson right now. And it's

680
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 1: a really compelling argument that Joe's making as far as

681
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 1: the rank goes, and we're giving the benefit of it

682
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 1: out to Jefferson, but we're not at all to Jordan Edison.

683
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 4: You know, he Addison can step back significantly and still

684
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 4: be worth his ADP. So, like when you consider that,

685
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 4: like he can have the worst season of his career

686
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 4: and still pay off this ADP, so I agree with you,

687
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 4: and that's why JJ McCarthy. Additionally, if you want to

688
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 4: just throw a little extra analysis in here, it's gonna

689
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 4: be one of my most drafted quarterbacks because he also

690
00:32:58,040 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 4: has the benefit of being able to run.

691
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 1: Pat Do you have any take on the Jordan Addison

692
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 1: like kind of bringing up that same thing where it's

693
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 1: like Justin Jefferson. I mean, I guess you could also

694
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 1: argue like he's a little quarterback proof, but you see

695
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 1: a pretty big gap between those guys from what he

696
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 1: was scoring to where he's sitting now under JJ McCarthy

697
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: and just it really there's a little bit of oddness

698
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 1: to it.

699
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 3: What do you think about that?

700
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,719
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I think it's similar to the T.

701
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 5: Higgins thing where people do sort of have this aversion

702
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 5: to taking the number twos in an offense where the

703
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 5: number one is a great receiver. But like Jordan Addison

704
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 5: is phenomenal in his own right, like a first round pick.

705
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 5: And I know, like his final college season when he

706
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 5: transferred to US, he wasn't great, but as a sophomore

707
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 5: at PIT, I had to look this up. Well, Joe

708
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 5: was talking one hundred catches fourteen games for Addison as

709
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 5: a sophomore at Pit. One hundred catches, fifteen hundred eighty

710
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 5: three yards, seventeen touchdowns. Like this guy was a college star,

711
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 5: and like he has continued to produce at the NFL level,

712
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 5: and I've no doubt he'll eventually get decoupled from Justin

713
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 5: Jefferson and be an alpha receiver somewhere else where. Like

714
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 5: he's going to be a number one at some point,

715
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,919
Speaker 5: but still he can give you good numbers as a

716
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 5: number two receiver.

717
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 1: Well, we're gonna stick with receivers. This is number six

718
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 1: on the upside players that you've got to target Wide

719
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 1: receiver ECR forty three for you, Pat, let's hear.

720
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 5: It Stefan Diggs, and I've got him at wide receiver

721
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 5: thirty seven. The overall is where there's a bigger difference.

722
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 5: I think in ECR he's won on one. Overall, I've

723
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 5: got him at seventy nine. And I guess there's a

724
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:34,799
Speaker 5: recurring theme with the first few guys on.

725
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 2: My high upside list. They're all perceived injury risks.

726
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 5: So Diggs is obviously coming off the torn ACL But

727
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 5: doctor d pak Chona, friend of the show and a

728
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,720
Speaker 5: well regarded injury expert, he thinks there's a two thirds

729
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 5: chance that Diggs is going to be good to go

730
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 5: for Week one, and he thinks Diggs will be at

731
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 5: ninety percent of full capacity about a month into the season.

732
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 5: So full capacity. Stefan Diggs has been pretty amazing, like

733
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,280
Speaker 5: six straight thousand yard seasons before he got hurt midway

734
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 5: through twenty twenty four, four straight one hundred catch seasons

735
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 5: before last year, an average of just under ten touchdowns

736
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 5: per season over the last three years up until twenty

737
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 5: twenty four. If we get ninety percent of that sort

738
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,879
Speaker 5: of production, and we can get it in the ninth

739
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 5: round of drafts, like sign me.

740
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 1: Up especially, Yeah, the ninth round, that's a big important thing.

741
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:25,240
Speaker 1: You could take him as your fourth or fifth receiver

742
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 1: potentially off the board, and could end up working by

743
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 1: week six as your wide receiver two or three. There's

744
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 1: some inherent risk with the injury. Does that shy you

745
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 1: away from there being a lot of upside?

746
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 7: Joe?

747
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:35,320
Speaker 3: Are you all in on this?

748
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 4: Yeah? I haven't really clicked stuff on Digg's name a

749
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:41,360
Speaker 4: whole lot. My favorite Patriot receiver to draft has actually

750
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 4: been Hunter Henry the tight end. But this is one

751
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 4: where maybe I need to see through my own biases

752
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 4: here because the Patriots receivers have screwed us for so

753
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 4: long since Brady left. But if Drake May takes the

754
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 4: leap that we're expecting, somebody's going to have to come through, right,

755
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 4: And I guess other people have said Kyle Williams is

756
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 4: that guy to Mario Douglas, my guy, Andrew Callahan and

757
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 4: the Boston Herald says Kyle Williams at this point is

758
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 4: way behind Damario Douglas on the food chain. So are

759
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 4: there other names out there? Besides Stefan Diggs. I mean,

760
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 4: I could see Pat's point here. He just hasn't been

761
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:17,360
Speaker 4: a name I've been terribly excited to draft to this point.

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Speaker 1: These are the last two this mid territory. This is

793
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:02,800
Speaker 1: actually one of my favorites on this list. This is

794
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 1: a guy that I'm trying to click as much as

795
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 1: possible because of the equity and the upside, and it

796
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:10,760
Speaker 1: kind of lives in a similar Jordan Addison type of world.

797
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 1: So mister Joe Dolan e CR wide receiver forty nine

798
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 1: and a half PPR.

799
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 3: Let's talk about your guy.

800
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:19,919
Speaker 4: So there is a receiver who's going at the one

801
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 4: two turn who averaged just basically six yards per receiving

802
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 4: per game more than his own teammate who was going

803
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:34,880
Speaker 4: at essentially round ten round eleven. The first receiver is

804
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 4: Drake London. The second is Darnell Mooney. Darnell Mooney averaged

805
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 4: sixty two yards per game last year in games that

806
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 4: Drake London played. London averaged just sixty seven point eight

807
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:49,439
Speaker 4: in that in that same time timeframe. So we're really

808
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 4: expecting Drake London to take a huge leap forward with

809
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 4: Michael Pennix what he showed at the end of last year,

810
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 4: and Darnell Mooney, who was the wide receiver thirty five

811
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 4: last year, to take a significant backwards. And I'm not

812
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 4: sure that should be the case. I actually like both

813
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 4: of these guys, London London at the one two turn. Well,

814
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 4: I've been preferring Brian Thomas Nico Collins, but I see

815
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 4: why people like Drake London there. But I just think

816
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,839
Speaker 4: Darnell Mooney's too cheap and because of that cost, I

817
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 4: have been drafting him a lot. You mentioned wide receiver four,

818
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 4: wide receiver five. Man, if he's my wide receiver five

819
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 4: and the best ball draft guys, I might just a

820
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 4: shoe wide receiver until the last two or three rounds

821
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 4: and take some dart throws because I feel like I'm

822
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,399
Speaker 4: going to have a really good foundation there.

823
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 1: So Pat, you know, we didn't see Darnell Mooney get

824
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:36,919
Speaker 1: some of that target share early on once Pennix was there,

825
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 1: like you know he was getting before.

826
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:41,280
Speaker 3: But we've just seen huge big playability.

827
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 1: We saw some early touchdown equity, and if this team

828
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:46,879
Speaker 1: is going to be comfortable with throwing the ball more

829
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 1: and getting the ball in the air, obviously Bijon and

830
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,320
Speaker 1: Drake London are going to get their targets. And I

831
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 1: guess you're kind of a Kyle Pitts guy, but I

832
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:56,840
Speaker 1: just it seems like a foregone conclusion that Darnell Mooney

833
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 1: is going to have like that sneaky wide receiver three

834
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:02,319
Speaker 1: upsid here and he's going as like a wide receiver five.

835
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 1: But that's a little bit of my tick. What do

836
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 1: you think on Darnel Mooney.

837
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 5: It's a skinny target tree in Atlanta, So you know,

838
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:12,799
Speaker 5: there is room for London, Pits and Mooney to all

839
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,360
Speaker 5: return a profit, I think at their current prices. And

840
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,279
Speaker 5: if you hate Pitts, like a lot of people do,

841
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:19,799
Speaker 5: then you should really like Mooney. I think what I

842
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 5: like most about Mooney he had a ninety two point

843
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 5: nine percent snapchair last year.

844
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 2: Like he is on the field all the time.

845
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:31,720
Speaker 5: And like, who of the Falcons added at wide receiver

846
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 5: in the off season, it's gonna be like Ray Ray

847
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 5: McCloud is the number three Again, maybe Nick Nash, an

848
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 5: undrafted free agent who I kind of like, but he's

849
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:44,240
Speaker 5: not going to threaten Mooney's snaphare. And like I really

850
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 5: like Penix and Penix is great at throwing to the boundaries,

851
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:51,439
Speaker 5: like he is already above average compared to all other

852
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 5: starting quarterbacks. That's throwing outside, and like that's where Mooney

853
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 5: does some of his best work.

854
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 2: So yes, I love this call.

855
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 1: So you are going to be pairing as we move

856
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 1: into player number eight, where just before we get to

857
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:08,359
Speaker 1: our deep shots, Pat, you're going to be pairing your

858
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 1: stuff on Diggs with a quarterbacks. This is I think

859
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 1: our first quarterback that's in play here. You think there's

860
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 1: massive upside with Drake May. I'm stealing it a little

861
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 1: bit because I kind of already gave that away. But

862
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:21,839
Speaker 1: QB sixteen pretty low on the list, you think, and

863
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:23,879
Speaker 1: we've done a show or two before where you've talked

864
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,320
Speaker 1: kind of about Drake May, but you think there's massive

865
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:28,839
Speaker 1: upside at QB sixteen with Drake May.

866
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 5: Yes, I'm going for the Patriots stack here. I've been

867
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 5: beating the Drake May drum like John Bonham all off season.

868
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 5: And look, I know that some of our viewers and

869
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 5: listeners are just coming out of their fantasy hibernations. A

870
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:43,280
Speaker 5: lot of people don't really come out of their caves

871
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 5: for fantasy until right after, right around the fourth of July.

872
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 5: So for those people, I want to reiterate the case

873
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 5: for Drake May and why I consider him to have

874
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 5: such vast upside. I have him at QB eight, and

875
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 5: that is really aggressive. But the quarterbacks with sky high

876
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 5: fantasy upside are almost always the guys who run. So

877
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 5: the thing is that most of the running quarterbacks are

878
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 5: really expensive. Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, Jayden Daniels, Jalen Hurts.

879
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 5: I think Drake May might have as much or almost

880
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 5: as much rushing upside as those guys have, and you

881
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:22,240
Speaker 5: can get him so much cheaper. May started twelve games

882
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 5: as a rookie, but if we exclude Week eighteen, when

883
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 5: he only played one series before he was pulled, May

884
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 5: averaged thirty eight point three rushing yards a game over

885
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 5: a full season, that projects to six hundred and fifty

886
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 5: one rushing yards. I think May could get to eight

887
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 5: hundred rushing yards based on how aggressively he ran in college.

888
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 5: So it's a sophomore at North Carolina, May had six

889
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 5: hundred and ninety eight rushing yards in fourteen games. And

890
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 5: let's not forget the college quarterbacks have their sack yardage

891
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 5: deducted from their rushing yard edge. May lost about two

892
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:53,359
Speaker 5: hundred yards in sacks that year, so he was really

893
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:57,240
Speaker 5: closer to eight hundred and fifty rushing yards in fourteen games.

894
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 5: May had only two rushing touchdowns last year. In two

895
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 5: seasons as a college starter, he had sixteen runs for

896
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 5: touchdowns in twenty six games. I just think there's big

897
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 5: time rushing upside with Drake May, and he was surprisingly

898
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 5: good as a passer last year despite having a terrible

899
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 5: offensive line and terrible wide receivers. The Patriots have upgraded

900
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 5: both of those areas in the offseason, so I think

901
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:24,319
Speaker 5: Drake May is going to give us a QB one

902
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:25,919
Speaker 5: fantasy finish this year.

903
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 1: Joe, it's interesting that there's like a quarterback. Everybody's got

904
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 1: a quarterback that's inside the top ten that is a

905
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 1: running guy. If it's not Drake May, Justin Fields is

906
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 1: the popular one. ECR quarterback fifteen. Caleb Williams would be

907
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:41,839
Speaker 1: another one of those that he's QB twelve. We've seen

908
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 1: some in the top ten. I'm not surprised that Pat

909
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 1: did this. Pat you are the highest ranker in the

910
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 1: world an ECR of Drake May. You are number one

911
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 1: in the rankings, but there are people that are behind you.

912
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:54,400
Speaker 1: What do you think about Drake May, Joe, and what

913
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 1: do you also think about making that bet on any

914
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:00,360
Speaker 1: of these running quarterbacks, Like if you're not a big May,

915
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 1: have you translated or moved it to maybe Justin Fields

916
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:04,839
Speaker 1: is your guy or one of these guys with high

917
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 1: rushing equity.

918
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 4: I've had my fair share of a good bit of

919
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 4: these guys. May has just been one of those guys

920
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 4: I'm in on, but I haven't really had the opportunity

921
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 4: to click his name as much as I would like.

922
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 4: JJ McCarthy, as I had mentioned, has been more that

923
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 4: kind of rushing, upside, middle round guy. But here's another

924
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 4: reason for optimism. Pat mentioned his legs, but I have

925
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:27,360
Speaker 4: numbers on that. So let's look at Drake May. In

926
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 4: his games last year he led, he was second to

927
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 4: only Jaden Daniels. He was even ahead of Jalen Hurts

928
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:37,959
Speaker 4: and Lamar Jackson in rushing yards on scrambles per game,

929
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 4: so meaning non designed rush attempts. He was at thirty

930
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 4: one point three rushing yards per game on scrambles. He

931
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 4: had virtually no role as a designed runner. We had

932
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 4: him charted as averaging point one Fantasy points per game

933
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 4: on design runs, essentially one yard per game on design

934
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:01,240
Speaker 4: runs when he played that is mini school. I already

935
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:03,799
Speaker 4: mentioned my friend Andrew Callahan from the Boston Herald. I

936
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 4: talked to him last week. He told me design runs

937
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 4: are going to be a part of what the Patriots

938
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 4: do with Drake May. They're significant on tap potential there, huge, huge.

939
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 1: So huge upside potential there, especially as people are going

940
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 1: to be pushing up guys like again, I'm coming back

941
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 1: to justin fields. You know, our boy deebro loves justin fields.

942
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 1: He gets pushed up into.

943
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 3: The top tennis season goes on.

944
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 1: That's where even more value starts to be created with

945
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 1: a guy like Drake May, where others are starting to

946
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 1: get that push in. Those quarterbacks I mentioned all had

947
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 1: higher ECRs than Drake May, so I like it a lot.

948
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 1: All right, we are now into our deep shots. These

949
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 1: are kind of league winning plays because they're so far out.

950
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:46,400
Speaker 1: We love the upside here and number nine on the list, Joe,

951
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 1: you've picked a tight end ECR twenty one. This guy

952
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 1: is currently so let's hear it.

953
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 3: It's Isaiah Likely.

954
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:55,880
Speaker 4: And look, we just saw Mark Andrews come off a

955
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 4: really inconsistent season. Yes he had eleven touchdown receptions, but

956
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:02,799
Speaker 4: everybody's going to remember what happened in the playoffs, you know,

957
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 4: with the drop on the two point conversion.

958
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 3: He had some fumbles.

959
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 4: He had some drops during the regular season. And we

960
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:14,799
Speaker 4: have a really interesting comment from John Harball this offseason.

961
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:20,919
Speaker 4: Here it is this is from Pro Football Talk, which

962
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 4: is probably aggregating it from somewhere else, but nonetheless, Harball,

963
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 4: I want to see him be an All Pro on

964
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 4: Isaiah Likely, That'd be my goal for him. He's capable

965
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 4: of it. Now, look how many tight ends getting drafted

966
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 4: around tight end twenty one have their coach saying they're

967
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 4: capable of being an All Pro? Maybe some lip service

968
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 4: for some of the rookies like a Mason Taylor or

969
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 4: a Terrence Ferguson, but not somebody like Isaiah Likely, who

970
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:49,400
Speaker 4: we have seen flash that potential. Remember he had the

971
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 4: nine catches with for one hundred and eleven yards and

972
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 4: a touchdown in the opener last year again, and then

973
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 4: of course was a massive waiver wire pickup and then

974
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 4: didn't really do anything the rest of the season. What

975
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 4: if that potential shows up a little bit more, and

976
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 4: then you get the advantage of Isaiah Likely in this

977
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 4: offense with a two time MVP and Lamar Jackson. Maybe

978
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 4: you got Mark Andrews taking a step back as he

979
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:16,359
Speaker 4: ages there still isn't the alpha number one receiver here.

980
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 4: I like for Shaan Bateman a lot. I actually like

981
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 4: Zay Flowers a lot at costs this year simply because

982
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:23,919
Speaker 4: they're cheap. But I like Likely at his price way

983
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:26,359
Speaker 4: more than I like Mark Andrews, and I could see

984
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 4: him taking a step forward into being a sixty catch

985
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 4: tight end. Who if you can get him in the

986
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:33,280
Speaker 4: last round of your draft and you get a weekly

987
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:35,760
Speaker 4: starter out of that position. I'm gonna take the gamble

988
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 4: that Mark Andrews maybe takes a little bit of a

989
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:39,759
Speaker 4: step back, give me Isaiah Likely at his pluck.

990
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 1: These are this is the tight end that you go with,

991
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:45,359
Speaker 1: not like I'm sneaking. I'm gonna take Darren Waller now

992
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:46,840
Speaker 1: because he's with the Dolphins.

993
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 3: Go to Isaiah like a huge, huge upside, And I.

994
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 4: Think a lot of people maybe maybe I'm just underestimating

995
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 4: the average fantasy player, but I think like people are

996
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 4: gonna be like, I'm gonna take darn Waller before Isaiah Likely.

997
00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:59,799
Speaker 3: Now, I'm not doing that. That's why I said it.

998
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:02,439
Speaker 1: I think you're going to start having comparisons of even

999
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 1: John ouversus what, like, the Waller stuff is going to

1000
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 1: get pretty high up there. I jokingly kind of say it,

1001
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 1: but Pat, I know if you want to comment on

1002
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:11,719
Speaker 1: the Waller versus Likely, but just overall, what do you

1003
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 1: think about taking Likely later in drafts?

1004
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1005
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:15,719
Speaker 5: Likely by a mile. We just need to get Mark

1006
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 5: Andrews out of the way. Ryan Wormley and I were

1007
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 5: talking about this the other day because if you look

1008
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 5: at the games where Mark Andrews hasn't played, Likely as

1009
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 5: numbers in those games, like pro rated projected over a

1010
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 5: full season workout to like eight hundred and fifty yards

1011
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 5: and eleven touchdowns. So, yes, we just need to get

1012
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 5: Mark Andrews out of the way. And you know, maybe

1013
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:41,879
Speaker 5: there's room for Likely to be impactful even with Andrews there.

1014
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 2: But if there's some sort of role of reduction or Andrews.

1015
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 5: Gets hurt, yeah, likely could absolutely be a league winning type.

1016
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 1: Guy, Mark Andrews, Pride of my high school. By the way,

1017
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 1: all right, we have gone this entire upside conversation without

1018
00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:57,840
Speaker 1: a rookie.

1019
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 3: How did we do it? How did we talk about masts?

1020
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 3: So side?

1021
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 1: Part of the reason is because the rookie prices they're

1022
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:08,319
Speaker 1: not super friendly to upside sometimes. But this guy you

1023
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 1: are saying is mister Pat fitz Morris wide receiver ECR

1024
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:15,360
Speaker 1: fifty three is number ten on the upside plays in

1025
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:16,800
Speaker 1: our first rookie of the show.

1026
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:17,880
Speaker 2: Luth Burton.

1027
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 5: So I've got him wide receiver fifty, but I've got

1028
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:23,839
Speaker 5: him about a round and a half ahead of ECR. Overall,

1029
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:27,840
Speaker 5: my question is what if Luther Burdon plays the Amen

1030
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 5: Ross Saint Brown.

1031
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:30,760
Speaker 2: Role in Ben Johnson's offense.

1032
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 5: Like DJ Moore and Roma Duins, they are going to

1033
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:35,880
Speaker 5: be primarily outside and I would hope that Luthor Burton

1034
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 5: can beat out Alamide's a Kus for the slot role.

1035
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 5: Burn is just he is so quick and explosive, absolutely

1036
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:46,320
Speaker 5: electric after the catch, and he is surprisingly good contact

1037
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 5: balance for a smaller receiver. He didn't have a great

1038
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 5: season from Missouri last year, but that was largely because

1039
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 5: Missouri quarterback Brady Cook was hurt pretty much all year

1040
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 5: wasn't himself. When Burn was a nineteen year old sophomore,

1041
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 5: he had eighty three catches, twelve hundred yards and nine

1042
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 5: touchdowns in thirteen games playing in the toughest conference in

1043
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:09,280
Speaker 5: the country, the SEC. If Luthor Burton is the Bears

1044
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 5: primary slot man and things start to click for Caleb Williams,

1045
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 5: like Burton could dramatically OutKick his ADP Joe.

1046
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:20,759
Speaker 1: Do you think it's if some butts that require Luther

1047
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 1: Burden to be a big upside play or do you

1048
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 1: think there's a floor for what this offense could create

1049
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:29,400
Speaker 1: with those other wide receivers that there's upside regardless, or

1050
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 1: do you think if some butts have to be involved.

1051
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:33,759
Speaker 4: I mean, I think there's upside regardless with him, but

1052
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:35,839
Speaker 4: I will throw in an if in a butt here.

1053
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:41,879
Speaker 4: DJ Moore was just staggeringly productive on designed targets last year,

1054
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 4: and that's notable because this is a new offensive staff.

1055
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 4: Do they design the same high percentage of targets? Do

1056
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 4: they open it up more? Obviously? I think a lot

1057
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:53,799
Speaker 4: of that was the coaching staff last year needed to

1058
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:57,279
Speaker 4: get easy throws out there for Caleb Williams. So does

1059
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:01,840
Speaker 4: Ben Johnson with the with developing Caleb Williams Moore, does

1060
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:04,880
Speaker 4: he unlocked DJ Moore to go downfield a little bit

1061
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 4: more work outside the way Pat mentioned? And in a

1062
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 4: twist of irony, does that mean DJ Moore isn't as

1063
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 4: productive for fantasy? He's been a guy I haven't really

1064
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 4: been clicking his name as good as I think DJ

1065
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 4: Moore is. I felt like he's a little bit overpriced

1066
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 4: and I've been pivoting to somebody like Burden who might

1067
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 4: take some more of those design targets. As DJ Moore

1068
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 4: as the veteran, they trust him to run more difficult routes.

1069
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:31,799
Speaker 1: Well, you're about to throw us the deepest of deep

1070
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 1: names on this list with upside ECR wide receiver eighty two,

1071
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:39,839
Speaker 1: number eleven on our list, Joe Dolan, this is your

1072
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 1: last one, so hit us with the deepest of deep

1073
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:43,320
Speaker 1: upside names.

1074
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:48,239
Speaker 4: Now, everybody thinks the drafting, and I agree, the drafting

1075
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:53,280
Speaker 4: of Pat Bryant out of Illinois signals that Sean Payton

1076
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 4: still loves that big slot receiver. As a matter of fact,

1077
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:58,840
Speaker 4: I think he brought up Marcus Colston's name and Michael

1078
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 4: Thomas's name when he talked about Pat Bryant. But what

1079
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 4: if Pat Bryant doesn't have that role right away? There's

1080
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Speaker 4: a second year player out of Utah who I think

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Speaker 4: might have that role from the offset. His name is

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Speaker 4: Devon Vley. Now here's the problem with Devon Vley. He's

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Speaker 4: in his second year in the NFL. But he's going

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Speaker 4: to be twenty eight this season. So even though he's

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Speaker 4: in his second year, I'm not telling me this is

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Speaker 4: some like great dynasty asset, and if he is, you

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Speaker 4: might want to trade him as soon as he breaks out.

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Speaker 4: But over the last two years, these are the only

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Speaker 4: rookies we've charted as having a higher first downs per

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Speaker 4: route run than Devon Veley. From rookies Puka Nakua, Rashi Rice,

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Speaker 4: Lad McConkie, Tank Dell, Dontavian Wicks, Malik Neighbors, and Brian

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Speaker 4: Thomas all Right. Five of those names are going inside

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Speaker 4: the first two rounds of fantasy drafts. One of them

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Speaker 4: is not going to play this year, in TANKDLL, and

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Speaker 4: the other is Dantavian Wicks, who might be one of

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Speaker 4: the best receivers in football if you could actually catch

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Speaker 4: the ball, which he just can't do. Davon Veley has

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Speaker 4: great hands. He's been drawing absolute rave reviews from Broncos

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Speaker 4: camp longtime Beat writer Troy Rank. Troy Rank this June,

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Speaker 4: he said he's turning heads and ota is one of

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Speaker 4: my least favorite phrases, but nonetheless, let's just let's just

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Speaker 4: give it. He says he appears poised for a breakout season.

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Speaker 4: Cody Rourke, who covers the Broncos for Mile High Report,

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Speaker 4: Devon Vley looks like he'll be a pillar player at

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Speaker 4: wide receiver alongside Courtland Sutton. Noticeably more muscle mass to

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Speaker 4: him this offseason compared to last year, and the key

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Speaker 4: he's free. He's an eighteenth round pick on underdog. People

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Speaker 4: are taking Pat Bryan ahead of him. This is I

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Speaker 4: just think Devon Valley is poised to be the starting

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Speaker 4: slot receiver for the Broncos, and I wouldn't be shocked

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Speaker 4: if he has a Juwan Jennings ish season for them.

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Speaker 3: Oh you know that just sparked me up? Where you Pat?

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00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:47,360
Speaker 1: You knew as soon as you heard Juwan Jennings and me,

1114
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 1: I just got jumped up a little bit.

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00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 2: I love Vele.

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00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 3: The Broncos offense maddens me though, because.

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00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:58,279
Speaker 1: They they're like a lower volume Chiefs where it is yeah.

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00:53:57,800 --> 00:53:59,360
Speaker 4: And you gotta get the you try to got to

1119
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 4: hit the chief. Sean Payton guy Alvin Kamara was great

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00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:03,400
Speaker 4: when he was a rookie because he was like an

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Speaker 4: eleventh round pick.

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Speaker 3: So I'm going to take the cheap.

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Speaker 4: Sean Payton guy because he's always out there trying to

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Speaker 4: prove to you how smart he is.

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Speaker 1: Pat, what do you what would be your strategy to

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Speaker 1: a guy like Vle who's so low ranked. Is it

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Speaker 1: watch early in, is it your draft at the end

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Speaker 1: of your draft? Is he a best ball only type

1129
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Speaker 1: of guy? Is he a guy to put on the

1130
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:24,399
Speaker 1: radar as soon as the season goes, Like, how would

1131
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:25,960
Speaker 1: you approach someone with it?

1132
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Speaker 3: You know, ECR eighty.

1133
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Speaker 5: Well, in my typical twelve man league with sixteen or

1134
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 5: eighteen player rosters, you know, he's probably on the the

1135
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:38,880
Speaker 5: speed dial for waiver wire. But I do play in

1136
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Speaker 5: some leagues that are like sixteen teams twenty rounds where

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Speaker 5: we draft everyone, and like Valley is an interesting dart

1138
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:49,440
Speaker 5: throwback then because yeah, like I wonder about Pat Bryant.

1139
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 5: I mean, there's some probably some offensive linemen in the

1140
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 5: NFL who run faster than Pat Bryant's and Valley is

1141
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:57,800
Speaker 5: a legit like four four seven guy. I want to

1142
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:01,480
Speaker 5: say no, Like, Arvin Mims has kind of been my

1143
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:06,360
Speaker 5: favorite under the radar Broncos pass catcher guy. But I'm

1144
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 5: also resigned to the possibility that Marvin Mimms is just

1145
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:11,040
Speaker 5: a designated gadget guy punt return.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're different receivers, Yeah, totally right.

1147
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Like that's the thing with Vyle. You know

1148
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 4: you mentioned Vley, Well, he was a seventh round pick

1149
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:19,960
Speaker 4: last year. Well, the reason he was the seventh round

1150
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:21,960
Speaker 4: picks because he was twenty seven years old. If he

1151
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:24,319
Speaker 4: was twenty two. He's probably a Day two pick.

1152
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 5: And Veley I think had bigger snap shares than Marvin Mims.

1153
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:30,759
Speaker 5: Like Marvin Mims, even when he was like kicking butt

1154
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:32,759
Speaker 5: at the end of last season and making all these

1155
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:35,480
Speaker 5: big plays, he was getting snap shares under fifty percent,

1156
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 5: and I think Vele was probably over fifty percent.

1157
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Speaker 1: So Vley definitely showed up a couple times on the

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00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 1: Betting Pros Prop show that ericson and I did. I

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00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 1: picked Vley a couple times. He was a fun player

1160
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:48,360
Speaker 1: to give with those low low yeah ages, I mean

1161
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:49,799
Speaker 1: you're playing with fire a little bit right.

1162
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Speaker 5: Thirteen and a half yards though, or some of those lines,

1163
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 5: and you know, if you sometimes those are the right

1164
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:56,400
Speaker 5: lines to target.

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Speaker 1: I know, give me, give me beginning of the season.

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Speaker 1: Right now, there's a little betting give me a low

1167
00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:03,680
Speaker 1: line for Vle to start the season, and let's have

1168
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:06,319
Speaker 1: Joe Dolan b right and just absolutely break out with Vle.

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Speaker 1: All right, Pat, you're gonna take us home with a

1170
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:11,280
Speaker 1: former Bronco. Not someone I thought we'd see on this list,

1171
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:14,440
Speaker 1: but hey, you know what the usage is potentially going

1172
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 1: to be there. This is ECR RB thirty six, but

1173
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 1: low in the overall number twelve is who.

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00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:25,440
Speaker 5: So it's Javante Williams and I am actually slightly behind

1175
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 5: ECR on Javante. I have m RB thirty nine. But

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00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 5: I do want some exposure to Javante this season because

1177
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:36,360
Speaker 5: the upside case for him is pretty simple, like what

1178
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:39,160
Speaker 5: if he still wasn't one hundred percent last year after

1179
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:42,720
Speaker 5: that gnarly knee injury in twenty twenty two torn ACL,

1180
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:46,439
Speaker 5: torn MCL, and he's finally one hundred percent this year,

1181
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:49,879
Speaker 5: Like twenty twenty one does seem like a long time ago,

1182
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:52,760
Speaker 5: so it's easy to forget just how exciting Javonte Williams

1183
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:55,839
Speaker 5: was as a rookie that year. Twelve hundred yards from

1184
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:58,359
Speaker 5: scrimmage and seven touchdowns even though he was splitting work

1185
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:01,960
Speaker 5: fifty to fifty with Melvin Gordon, and Javante averaged almost

1186
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 5: three and a half yards after contact per carry that season.

1187
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 5: He had forty three receptions, so pretty compelling stuff from

1188
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:11,600
Speaker 5: him that year. He just wasn't the same guy in

1189
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:14,759
Speaker 5: twenty twenty three or twenty twenty four post injury. But

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00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 5: Javante is still only twenty five years old, and it

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00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:20,040
Speaker 5: seems like he's going to get the first crack at

1192
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 5: being the league guy for Dallas this year. So if

1193
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:24,720
Speaker 5: we get the old Javante, he could give people a

1194
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:27,160
Speaker 5: pretty pretty huge return on investment.

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00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 3: It's interesting.

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00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 1: I was gonna say real quick, guys, that he's coming

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00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:35,720
Speaker 1: from the school of Todd Gurley. He seems like Javonte Williams,

1198
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:37,920
Speaker 1: the school of Todd Gurley, and that you know, he

1199
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 1: feels like he's thirty two years old and he's only

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00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:42,280
Speaker 1: twenty five. But I thought this name was going to

1201
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 1: be Jaden Blue when I saw cowboys running back in

1202
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 1: here for the upside, not Chavante Williams.

1203
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:47,640
Speaker 3: So what do you think, Joe Beck.

1204
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:49,440
Speaker 4: Oh, by the way, I actually believe Todd Girl is

1205
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 4: younger than Dereck Henry, like in real life. Wow, which

1206
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:55,480
Speaker 4: is like, it's kind of amazing. I don't have really

1207
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:57,520
Speaker 4: much to add to what Pat said, because obviously this

1208
00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:02,040
Speaker 4: could be a valuable role if Javonte Williams runs away

1209
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:04,720
Speaker 4: with it. But I just the thing that sucks about

1210
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 4: Javonte Williams is that we have to talk about him

1211
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 4: like he's this scrub, you know. But Pat brought it up.

1212
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 4: Remember the war crimes of Nathaniel Hackett when Melvin Gordon

1213
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:14,840
Speaker 4: was fumbling every time he touched the ball and he

1214
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:18,120
Speaker 4: still couldn't get Javonte Williams on the field, and then

1215
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:21,560
Speaker 4: Javonte blew his knee out and they cut Gordon after that,

1216
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 4: just like there is there is a world where Javonte

1217
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 4: Williams right now, an alternate universe where we're talking about

1218
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 4: him being drafted in like the Bejon Robinson range, you know,

1219
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 4: like and I don't know, well, I mean, if I

1220
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:37,640
Speaker 4: thought we were going to see that, I'd have a

1221
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:40,960
Speaker 4: lot more Javonte Williams than I do now. But sometimes

1222
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:42,960
Speaker 4: fate is just really cruel to these players.

1223
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:45,080
Speaker 5: It is hard to speak ill of Melvin Gordon. I mean,

1224
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:47,920
Speaker 5: I'm wearing a Wisconsin Badger you shirt here, but like, yeah,

1225
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:50,920
Speaker 5: remember how anxious everyone was for Melvin Gordon to get

1226
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:52,720
Speaker 5: the heck out of the way so Javante could have

1227
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:55,440
Speaker 5: that backfield to himself and then gets hurt early the

1228
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:56,040
Speaker 5: next season.

1229
00:58:56,040 --> 00:59:00,120
Speaker 4: It was very The Broncos have a great history of

1230
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Speaker 4: Wisconsin running backs.

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Speaker 3: You know Monty Ball.

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Speaker 4: I was, I was in on Monty Ball those years ago.

1233
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1236
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Speaker 1: Stefan Diggs, Darnell Mooney, Drake May, Isaiah Likely, Luther Burden,

1237
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Speaker 1: Devon Vley, and Javonte William Zoser. You're twelve that these

1238
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