WEBVTT - How Cremation Works 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:03.040 Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve Camray. 0:00:03.120 --> 0:00:07.480 It's ready. Are you welcome to Stuff you should know 0:00:08.080 --> 0:00:16.319 from house Stuff Works dot com. Hey, and welcome to 0:00:16.360 --> 0:00:20.520 the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles W. Chucker's bryant 0:00:20.520 --> 0:00:24.239 with a full beard. Actually, yeah, do you know what 0:00:24.280 --> 0:00:28.120 that would smell like if it caught fire? It would 0:00:28.120 --> 0:00:32.000 smell like mayonnaise. It's it's smell worse than mandaise ever did. 0:00:32.479 --> 0:00:35.559 Jerry's in there like she doesn't like the smell of 0:00:35.560 --> 0:00:40.040 burning hair or mannix um. Burning mayonnaise would be particularly 0:00:40.080 --> 0:00:42.280 bad if you had hair on top of your burning 0:00:42.280 --> 0:00:45.160 hairy mannaise the worst thing you can burn, So chuck. 0:00:45.240 --> 0:00:47.840 Hopefully that will never happen while you're alive. It could 0:00:47.920 --> 0:00:52.080 possibly happen um after you're deceased, if you're cremated. Like 0:00:52.120 --> 0:00:55.080 a fellow named Ralph White, who you know about? I've 0:00:55.120 --> 0:00:56.960 never heard of the guy you have to chuck. Do 0:00:57.000 --> 0:01:00.240 you remember that horrid webcast we used to have. Yes, 0:01:01.440 --> 0:01:04.360 there's a guy. He was the president past president of 0:01:04.400 --> 0:01:07.679 the Adventurers Adventurers Club and not to be confused with 0:01:07.720 --> 0:01:10.480 the one from South Park. This guy UM was a 0:01:10.520 --> 0:01:13.520 real life adventure and he he was I think he 0:01:13.600 --> 0:01:18.160 was like a a cameraman for UM a skydiving show 0:01:18.200 --> 0:01:22.360 called rip Chord National Geographic. He was there when they 0:01:22.800 --> 0:01:26.680 discovered the Titanic Buddies with the Jim Cameron. Yeah he was. 0:01:26.720 --> 0:01:29.759 He was second director I think on Titanic. Yeah, who 0:01:29.800 --> 0:01:31.920 was Jim Cameron was also in that club, the little 0:01:31.920 --> 0:01:34.560 Club in l A. That's right. Yeah, I'll bet Ralph 0:01:34.600 --> 0:01:37.240 White got Jim Cameron in. And are we calling him 0:01:37.280 --> 0:01:39.520 Jim Now? I didn't realize we were on that that 0:01:39.680 --> 0:01:42.640 friendly basis Jim or Jimmy. Well, anyway, Ralph White was 0:01:43.120 --> 0:01:46.880 had a pretty cool post not post mortem. He had 0:01:46.880 --> 0:01:49.760 a very cool posthumous story and that was he was 0:01:49.800 --> 0:01:53.480 cremated and his friends were so dedicated and loyal to 0:01:53.600 --> 0:01:57.000 him that, Um, whenever they go on to travel now 0:01:57.040 --> 0:02:00.200 they take about a tenth about a teaspoon or of 0:02:00.240 --> 0:02:04.280 the teaspoon, some very small amount of Ralph White's cremated 0:02:04.320 --> 0:02:07.720 remains and scatter and wherever they go. Pretty cool. Yeah, 0:02:07.760 --> 0:02:10.840 I think he's in the whaling wall in Jerusalem. Um, 0:02:10.880 --> 0:02:14.040 he's in Lake but call. He went on a space 0:02:14.120 --> 0:02:19.520 flight and Ralph Whites. Posthumous adventures kind of illustrate all 0:02:19.560 --> 0:02:22.080 the wonderful things you can do with a cremated body, 0:02:22.360 --> 0:02:24.239 which is one of the reasons why people choose to 0:02:24.280 --> 0:02:28.320 be cremated. It's highly portable, right, absolutely, and it's nothing new, Chuck. 0:02:28.800 --> 0:02:30.959 Cremation has been going on for a very long time, 0:02:31.040 --> 0:02:33.600 hasn't it. Yeah, we won't get into I mean, there's 0:02:33.680 --> 0:02:36.000 we could rattle off every country and when they started, 0:02:36.040 --> 0:02:38.840 but we really could because of this fine, fine article 0:02:39.520 --> 0:02:42.639 written by a freelancer, right, Michelle Kim. I've never heard 0:02:42.639 --> 0:02:45.560 of this person before, but it was a really great article. Um. 0:02:46.560 --> 0:02:49.120 But it has been around since prehistoric times. China has 0:02:49.120 --> 0:02:52.400 been doing it since eight thousand BC. That's more than 0:02:52.440 --> 0:02:54.560 ten thousand years ago, more than ten thousand years ago. 0:02:54.600 --> 0:02:56.800 One part of the history I did find interesting though 0:02:56.800 --> 0:02:59.560 and fitting since we did our Freemason cast was the 0:02:59.639 --> 0:03:02.720 Freemasons during the French Revolution kind of push for cremation 0:03:03.160 --> 0:03:05.880 because it was the whole not anti religion, but just 0:03:05.919 --> 0:03:07.920 sort of mixing it up with religion. You know. They 0:03:07.960 --> 0:03:11.480 were anti Catholic Church, well, very much against the Church, 0:03:11.480 --> 0:03:14.480 and they were saying, if you have yourself cremated, it's 0:03:14.560 --> 0:03:17.920 kind of like sticking your thumb up because well, because 0:03:17.960 --> 0:03:21.160 Catholic said, you can't get cremated for a long time. Yeah, well, 0:03:21.240 --> 0:03:24.880 it kind of contradicts the whole resurrection thing. You know, 0:03:25.760 --> 0:03:28.480 the body's kind of gotta be intact. It's like the 0:03:28.560 --> 0:03:31.239 one thing we can't do. You know. We can rise 0:03:31.280 --> 0:03:34.960 from the dead, but if you're sorry, yeah, and you 0:03:34.960 --> 0:03:37.240 you don't want to come back and find that you're 0:03:37.280 --> 0:03:40.680 nothing but asses, because you're gonna be ticked off, right right. Uh. 0:03:40.840 --> 0:03:44.200 The actual creamator, the cremation chamber, which I like to 0:03:44.200 --> 0:03:46.520 call the cremator even though it's not. It sounds like 0:03:46.520 --> 0:03:49.480 a crib star product from the Adventures of Pete and Pete. 0:03:49.520 --> 0:03:52.280 It does. It was invented in the late eighteen hundreds 0:03:52.280 --> 0:03:57.000 by Professor Brunetti, and uh, it started in Earnest in 0:03:57.080 --> 0:04:01.160 the United States in Pennsylvania in eighteen seventies six. Yeah, 0:04:01.240 --> 0:04:04.400 when Pennsylvania isn't non licensed state still, which I thought 0:04:04.440 --> 0:04:07.000 was interesting. Is it really Well, there's a little bit 0:04:07.040 --> 0:04:10.880 of a scandal that we'll talk about later that Um. Apparently, 0:04:10.960 --> 0:04:15.040 the the crematory business, you either have fine upstanding people 0:04:15.280 --> 0:04:19.800 or like some of the earth ye running these places, right, Yeah, 0:04:19.920 --> 0:04:22.880 let's talk about how this works, all right. Yeah, well 0:04:22.920 --> 0:04:24.520 I got a step for you real quick though. As 0:04:24.560 --> 0:04:28.760 far as it's popularity, Um, in n three point six 0:04:28.880 --> 0:04:32.200 percent of bodies were cremated, and just a few years 0:04:32.200 --> 0:04:36.920 ago that numbers at and they expected to be half right. Well, 0:04:36.920 --> 0:04:39.440 there's a lot of a lot of reasons why right, 0:04:39.480 --> 0:04:42.520 I mean, we're running out of land. Um. There's a 0:04:42.520 --> 0:04:45.040 lot of people who think that burials aren't so green, 0:04:45.520 --> 0:04:48.880 which is true. Yeah, um, yeah, because they use like, 0:04:49.120 --> 0:04:51.520 you know, really nice woods and metals, and you have 0:04:51.560 --> 0:04:55.000 to pour cement lining the bodies and balms, so it's 0:04:55.000 --> 0:04:57.320 going to eventually leak out all of those things. Right. 0:04:57.480 --> 0:05:01.919 We'll talk later about whether or not cremations green and 0:05:01.960 --> 0:05:05.360 the spoilers it's not. Sort of is, but it's not. 0:05:05.440 --> 0:05:08.080 Well it's not green, but it's definitely not green. It's 0:05:08.120 --> 0:05:13.200 not brown either, it's not black. It's somewhere between. So chuckers, 0:05:13.960 --> 0:05:17.239 you're ready to talk. Yeah, Like, just the actual process 0:05:17.320 --> 0:05:21.000 is pretty gruesome. Um. Initially, they store the body in 0:05:21.200 --> 0:05:24.359 a cool room just to keep it nice and fresh 0:05:24.680 --> 0:05:28.280 for the cremation. Um. It's usually examined by a coroner 0:05:28.760 --> 0:05:30.520 and they have to like sign off and say this 0:05:30.600 --> 0:05:32.679 is good to go, because you can't exhume the body 0:05:32.800 --> 0:05:36.719 later on if you need to. No accidental death that 0:05:36.760 --> 0:05:39.599 hasn't been fully vetted, like I imagine, they wouldn't cremate 0:05:39.680 --> 0:05:42.960 like someone that was had any kind of relation to 0:05:43.000 --> 0:05:45.160 a crime or anything like that, at least not for 0:05:45.200 --> 0:05:49.000 a long time. Uh. And then what happens is they 0:05:49.040 --> 0:05:51.800 remove some things from your body. If you have the 0:05:51.839 --> 0:06:01.600 following pacemaker, breast implants, silicon breast implants, prothesis, or cancer seeds, 0:06:02.200 --> 0:06:04.919 the little radioactive seeds that they inject into a tumor 0:06:04.960 --> 0:06:07.719 and then be shoot with like a laser or a 0:06:07.800 --> 0:06:10.520 radio frequency generator. Yeah, none of this stuff is good 0:06:10.560 --> 0:06:13.000 for for cremation, so they remove that from your body. 0:06:13.279 --> 0:06:16.720 But there's some things that can't be removed. Well, they 0:06:16.760 --> 0:06:20.080 could remove it, but they tend not to. Easy fillings, 0:06:20.920 --> 0:06:25.000 mercury fillings, jewelry, and glasses like some people want, like 0:06:25.120 --> 0:06:27.159 you would be buried with your glasses on. They want 0:06:27.160 --> 0:06:29.600 you cremated with your glasses, right. But in some countries, 0:06:29.640 --> 0:06:31.040 I didn't look this up, so I don't know what 0:06:31.080 --> 0:06:34.880 countries there are laws against anybody who's cremating a body 0:06:34.960 --> 0:06:38.240 from touching anything on the body. Right, you gotta do 0:06:38.279 --> 0:06:40.520 it how you get it right, that's what they say 0:06:40.520 --> 0:06:43.880 on the shirts. So you can buy, they can get shop. Uh. 0:06:43.920 --> 0:06:45.880 And then they put the body once it's been removed, 0:06:45.920 --> 0:06:49.640 these things into a flammable box like a pine or 0:06:49.640 --> 0:06:55.000 cardboard box or one made of hairy mannaise. They slide 0:06:55.040 --> 0:06:58.640 it into the incinerator is already preheated, by the way, yes, 0:06:58.720 --> 0:07:02.240 to at least eleven hundred degrees fahrenheight, which is five 0:07:03.279 --> 0:07:06.360 degrees celsius. I think off the top of my head. Um, 0:07:06.400 --> 0:07:10.080 and that's hot, chuck, it's gotta be hot. But that's 0:07:10.120 --> 0:07:12.480 not like you don't just put the body in and 0:07:12.520 --> 0:07:15.880 then it just burns. It just catches fire. Right now. 0:07:16.200 --> 0:07:20.440 They actually shoot a column of flame at the torso 0:07:20.560 --> 0:07:23.560 like a jet engine. Yeah, basically, So once the body's 0:07:23.560 --> 0:07:26.480 in what's it called the retort. Uh, it's called a retort. 0:07:26.520 --> 0:07:28.600 They slide it in there on the old metal rollers 0:07:28.640 --> 0:07:32.320 and uh. Families. Sometimes you can watch this process through 0:07:32.320 --> 0:07:35.800 the window if you want, and if your Hindu, and 0:07:35.840 --> 0:07:39.920 if it's a Hindu cremation, you can actually push go right, Yeah, 0:07:39.960 --> 0:07:42.480 I guess to start the column of flame. Right you 0:07:42.600 --> 0:07:50.800 just like so long? Yeah, so here aunt Tina. Uh 0:07:50.880 --> 0:07:53.640 so the door is sealed up obviously, Um, like you said, 0:07:53.680 --> 0:07:56.360 they aim at your torso and then this is what happens. 0:07:56.440 --> 0:07:59.960 This is the gruesome part um as you would expe 0:08:00.200 --> 0:08:03.560 when you have a jet engine jet flame shot at 0:08:03.560 --> 0:08:08.880 your torso, it ignites the container initially. Obviously, your body 0:08:08.920 --> 0:08:11.200 starts to dry out all that water that's in your 0:08:11.240 --> 0:08:15.120 body pretty quick. Yeah. I would imagine your soft tissue 0:08:15.160 --> 0:08:18.680 tightens up, it burns up, and it vaporizes. Your skin 0:08:18.800 --> 0:08:23.559 discolors and blisters and splits, just like a broad Worth 0:08:23.680 --> 0:08:28.320 on a girl. Yeah, exactly. The muscle chars, it flexes, 0:08:28.440 --> 0:08:32.360 and your limbs actually can extend like your limbs are moving. 0:08:32.480 --> 0:08:35.439 I looked all over the place to find the discussions 0:08:35.480 --> 0:08:38.079 about this stuff about like a body sitting up. That's 0:08:38.080 --> 0:08:40.360 the closest thing I saw was does a body sit up? 0:08:40.360 --> 0:08:41.920 I think it was a wicky answer so that it 0:08:42.000 --> 0:08:45.839 has zero credibility. But if you're if your muscles are 0:08:45.920 --> 0:08:48.880 contracting or tightening or doing anything like, yeah, your arms 0:08:48.920 --> 0:08:51.960 can go up. And I mean imagine the people eight 0:08:52.160 --> 0:08:55.120 and eight thousand BC in China, they're like, wait, they're 0:08:55.160 --> 0:08:58.720 not dead. Yeah. At a goldfish, I tried to flush 0:08:58.720 --> 0:09:00.319 one time and I put him in and he started 0:09:00.360 --> 0:09:02.640 swimming again. And then I put him back in the 0:09:02.679 --> 0:09:05.560 tank and he just floated. So it was just like 0:09:05.600 --> 0:09:08.200 the water most and those Well, now I didn't flush 0:09:08.240 --> 0:09:09.840 it like I would when I put him in the toilet. 0:09:09.840 --> 0:09:12.439 He started moving every single time. It was weird. That 0:09:12.640 --> 0:09:16.280 is weird. I'm pretty convinced he was dead though, are 0:09:16.320 --> 0:09:17.560 he was by the time I froze him in a 0:09:17.559 --> 0:09:19.360 block of ice. And you'll find out when you get 0:09:19.360 --> 0:09:22.280 to the the heaven. That's right. Um, So your muscles have 0:09:22.400 --> 0:09:25.319 charred and tightened, and your limbs are flailing about and 0:09:25.400 --> 0:09:28.160 your bones obviously you're the last thing to go, and 0:09:28.240 --> 0:09:31.719 they are calcified and then kind of just flake off 0:09:31.720 --> 0:09:34.959 and crumble into little bone bits. Yeah, and chuck. Uh. 0:09:35.080 --> 0:09:38.400 The bones that are or the stuff that is left 0:09:38.679 --> 0:09:41.640 are the charred bones that are really doesn't take a 0:09:41.640 --> 0:09:44.000 whole lot, I think to pulverize them, but it does 0:09:44.080 --> 0:09:46.400 take an extra step and they actually do hold their shape. 0:09:46.440 --> 0:09:48.839 So you go from a body in a box to 0:09:48.960 --> 0:09:52.560 like a charred skeleton is what it ultimately comes down 0:09:52.600 --> 0:09:55.320 to and you either rake or sweep the remaining like 0:09:55.440 --> 0:10:00.640 bone material into something called the cremulator cremulate, and that 0:10:00.840 --> 0:10:03.840 is the that's a grinder that grinds up everything and 0:10:03.840 --> 0:10:10.760 pulverizes into this fine, grainy actually coarse grainy powder. Yeah. 0:10:10.800 --> 0:10:13.240 They described it as like um ash is sort of 0:10:13.280 --> 0:10:15.520 a weird word because it's not like a like a 0:10:15.600 --> 0:10:18.040 charred ash from your fire. It's it's more like gravel, 0:10:18.120 --> 0:10:20.800 they said, like little tiny bits of gravel because it's 0:10:20.960 --> 0:10:25.440 pulverized bone. Right, um. And it usually takes about two 0:10:25.440 --> 0:10:29.880 to three hours, depending on the kind of uh crematory. 0:10:30.520 --> 0:10:32.760 I guess whatever machine you put it in. Yeah, there's 0:10:32.760 --> 0:10:35.720 different kinds, right, and how big your bones are too, 0:10:36.080 --> 0:10:38.960 that has something to do with it too. But also UM, 0:10:39.000 --> 0:10:42.640 I found that it depends on the level of well, 0:10:42.679 --> 0:10:47.319 there's there's something called the um enter Tech four. You 0:10:47.360 --> 0:10:51.920 should go on to Matthew's crematorium dot com. They have 0:10:52.040 --> 0:10:54.640 specs and it's just weird because these guys are like 0:10:54.679 --> 0:10:59.200 selling their crematorium uh, and here's all the specs for them. 0:10:59.400 --> 0:11:01.760 This thing is like state of the art. Interchech four 0:11:01.880 --> 0:11:04.000 is um and it burns a body and no more 0:11:04.000 --> 0:11:07.800 than seventy five minutes. Really, that's pretty good. That must 0:11:07.840 --> 0:11:09.760 have been the modern ones that they say are all 0:11:09.800 --> 0:11:12.280 like automated. Now, well they also sell them ones that 0:11:12.400 --> 0:11:15.320 burn a body in four hours. So it's like low 0:11:15.400 --> 0:11:17.040 end to high end. Okay, you know what I mean. 0:11:17.080 --> 0:11:19.720 Pay for what you get um. And at the end 0:11:19.760 --> 0:11:21.640 of this whole process, you're gonna end up with about 0:11:21.720 --> 0:11:25.120 three to nine pounds of ash. And that's actually that's 0:11:25.120 --> 0:11:27.080 where it depends on your bones. They say it doesn't 0:11:27.080 --> 0:11:29.679 matter like how fat you are because that I think 0:11:29.720 --> 0:11:31.559 that burns away pretty easily. Yeah, I would think. So 0:11:31.600 --> 0:11:36.520 it's like your bone structure. Bones tough to burn, I guess. So, 0:11:36.520 --> 0:11:39.640 so chuck these things. We said that they are preheated 0:11:39.640 --> 0:11:42.520 to about eleven degrees, right, but they get up to 0:11:42.600 --> 0:11:45.360 about two thousand. So you can't just build this thing. 0:11:45.559 --> 0:11:48.120 You can't build an inner chech or whatever you're building 0:11:48.559 --> 0:11:52.360 out of um regular brick or cment or something like that. 0:11:52.360 --> 0:11:54.360 I think it explode the first time you tried to 0:11:54.360 --> 0:11:59.360 do this. So these specialized composite brick material and actually 0:11:59.400 --> 0:12:03.480 over time the interior will be eaten away by the 0:12:03.520 --> 0:12:06.800 heat and the expansion and contraction will actually lose surface. 0:12:07.160 --> 0:12:10.600 So apparently what's recommended is after UM the bricks lose 0:12:10.600 --> 0:12:13.720 about half of their width, they have to be replaced. Yeah, 0:12:13.800 --> 0:12:15.719 and it sounds kind of crude, But the way it's 0:12:15.720 --> 0:12:17.640 described in the article, and the way I've heard it 0:12:17.679 --> 0:12:20.199 described is it's it's sort of like a pizza oven. Yeah, 0:12:20.320 --> 0:12:25.520 they're made of similar things. Cooka pizza, cooka body, cookade body. 0:12:26.240 --> 0:12:28.439 So these things go for a two and fifty thou 0:12:31.040 --> 0:12:34.080 something like that. UM, and they use natural gas or 0:12:34.120 --> 0:12:39.920 propane or um propane accessories or diesel. I've seen UM. 0:12:39.920 --> 0:12:42.720 But they used to burn coal, and I imagine that 0:12:42.760 --> 0:12:46.560 was a real pain in body back in the sixties. 0:12:46.600 --> 0:12:48.760 I think they were still using coal. I gotta keep 0:12:48.760 --> 0:12:51.480 stoking that fire, right. Another thing I thought was cool 0:12:51.640 --> 0:12:54.040 was UM And I started thinking too, when you when 0:12:54.040 --> 0:12:56.160 you burn a fire, obviously you see ashes kind of 0:12:56.160 --> 0:12:58.280 floating all over the place, and I thought, well, surely 0:12:58.400 --> 0:13:00.400 they've got a you know, account for that when you're 0:13:00.400 --> 0:13:03.280 burning a body, and they do. They ignite a second 0:13:03.320 --> 0:13:08.400 flame in a side chamber, and that burns off dust 0:13:08.480 --> 0:13:11.160 that's trying to escape the retort, and some of them 0:13:11.200 --> 0:13:14.760 even shoot water out the top to make sure none 0:13:14.760 --> 0:13:16.640 of the dust escapes out of the top of the plume. 0:13:16.679 --> 0:13:20.600 I guess it's called what scrubbing, wet scrubbing? What what 0:13:20.679 --> 0:13:22.679 else do we do? Oh? That was the a fluorid thing, right, 0:13:24.160 --> 0:13:29.400 descrubbing the inside of the and carbon sequestion sequestration. Yeah, 0:13:29.480 --> 0:13:31.719 my brain is getting too full these days, I do 0:13:31.920 --> 0:13:34.760 we need to stop doing the show. And after it's 0:13:34.760 --> 0:13:38.960 all done, you can actually get remains cremated remains. And 0:13:38.960 --> 0:13:41.680 I found that they say that you shouldn't call them creamines. 0:13:41.760 --> 0:13:44.840 That's what the the c A n A says. Why 0:13:45.400 --> 0:13:47.439 they just say it's sort of a crude thing that 0:13:47.600 --> 0:13:50.600 people non industry people say, let's just shorten it. And 0:13:50.600 --> 0:13:53.360 they're like, they think it's disrespected, So we won't say 0:13:53.400 --> 0:13:55.960 the word cremains. But you can have your cremated remains 0:13:56.000 --> 0:13:58.840 mailed to you via USPS if you want. But that's 0:13:58.880 --> 0:14:01.839 it in the United States eights. You can't do it 0:14:01.960 --> 0:14:05.280 via FedEx or ups or you can't if they know 0:14:05.720 --> 0:14:09.079 what's in the box. Um and I couldn't find out 0:14:09.160 --> 0:14:12.280 why there's no explanation on ups IS or FedEx this site. 0:14:12.320 --> 0:14:15.760 They just say you can't. We won't ship that. They 0:14:15.800 --> 0:14:19.840 also won't ship a disinterred body. Well, thank goodness for that, 0:14:20.000 --> 0:14:22.680 I guess. But um, the only thing I could the 0:14:22.680 --> 0:14:24.640 only suggestion I could find why they wouldn't do this, 0:14:24.880 --> 0:14:28.640 You can't ensure cremated remains. Oh yeah, that's probably it, 0:14:28.760 --> 0:14:31.840 which I imagine they ensure everything somehow, And they do 0:14:31.960 --> 0:14:34.120 want to get hit with a lawsuit, right because people 0:14:34.160 --> 0:14:37.360 get mad when you lose their Yeah. Probably so. The 0:14:37.400 --> 0:14:39.800 other cool thing about the USPS, though, is that they 0:14:39.800 --> 0:14:41.320 make sure to point out that it's got to be 0:14:41.320 --> 0:14:44.400 a sift proof box. You don't want like ashes leaking 0:14:44.400 --> 0:14:46.160 out the side, and you have to have like somebody's 0:14:46.160 --> 0:14:48.200 got a sign for it. Right. So usually if you 0:14:48.240 --> 0:14:51.120 don't get an urn or whatever, when when you get 0:14:51.160 --> 0:14:55.480 your created remains, um, the crematorium will have them in 0:14:55.560 --> 0:14:59.200 like basically a plastic bag inside maybe a plastic line 0:15:00.720 --> 0:15:03.040 designed to hold this kind of thing, right yeah, and 0:15:03.040 --> 0:15:06.680 there may be just like very small remnants of other 0:15:06.720 --> 0:15:09.400 people with your remains. Like they did the best job 0:15:09.440 --> 0:15:12.120 they can. They burn one body at a time. Um, 0:15:12.160 --> 0:15:13.440 like you know, if you're on the up and up, 0:15:13.880 --> 0:15:17.720 as a good cremator should be. But inevitably when you're 0:15:17.720 --> 0:15:19.600 talking about ash and you're sweeping it out, there might 0:15:19.640 --> 0:15:21.520 be a little bit of Joe mixed in with Harry, 0:15:21.560 --> 0:15:23.440 if you know what I mean. Well, I know what 0:15:23.520 --> 0:15:27.440 you mean, so chuck it. Also, I guess the industry 0:15:27.520 --> 0:15:30.960 standard is, just like you don't want to switch babies 0:15:31.000 --> 0:15:33.400 in the hospital, at the other end of life, you 0:15:33.400 --> 0:15:37.200 don't want to switch cremated remains of dead people. Right. 0:15:37.920 --> 0:15:40.280 So apparently they'll stick a tag in your mouth like 0:15:40.520 --> 0:15:43.000 a metal disc, or they'll put it somewhere on your 0:15:43.040 --> 0:15:46.240 person so that when you're when you're melted down, this 0:15:46.360 --> 0:15:49.800 thing is still there so you can be identified. Um, 0:15:49.880 --> 0:15:52.520 You've got paperwork that goes with you from the moment 0:15:52.560 --> 0:15:54.520 you come to the crematorium to the moment you leave. 0:15:54.600 --> 0:15:59.240 That's supposed to be with you every step of the way. Um, 0:15:59.360 --> 0:16:02.640 And there's basically all of this is supposed to avoid 0:16:02.640 --> 0:16:05.640 a mix up, Right, You're supposed to. It doesn't always, 0:16:05.800 --> 0:16:11.480 especially when the crematorium operator or owner isn't on the 0:16:11.560 --> 0:16:13.400 up and up, as you said, And there's been plenty 0:16:13.400 --> 0:16:15.560 of examples of that, haven't there been. Yeah, I was 0:16:15.600 --> 0:16:19.120 a little alarmed to find out how little regulation goes 0:16:19.160 --> 0:16:22.560 on in some states. Yeah, only until the Tri States 0:16:22.600 --> 0:16:27.440 Tri State crematorium Candle of I think two to Uh. 0:16:27.640 --> 0:16:31.920 Did Georgia close its loopholes and now all crematoriums have 0:16:31.960 --> 0:16:34.360 to be licensed by the state. Yeah, in Georgia. But 0:16:34.480 --> 0:16:36.880 and and I actually got a different number here she said, 0:16:36.880 --> 0:16:39.680 twenty three of the fifty states license, I've actually got 0:16:40.200 --> 0:16:43.200 only eight do not license, is what I found. Oh well, 0:16:43.280 --> 0:16:47.360 that's that's that's bettering. But if you look all of these, um, 0:16:47.520 --> 0:16:51.720 the examples in this article are in the two thousands, 0:16:51.720 --> 0:16:55.680 So I wonder if that caused like a state expansion 0:16:55.720 --> 0:17:00.400 or crematorium regulation reform. So, because if you what happened 0:17:00.400 --> 0:17:02.320 in Georgia will tell you a sec But if you 0:17:02.360 --> 0:17:04.920 see this on the news and you're in like Pennsylvania, 0:17:05.400 --> 0:17:08.280 they don't want that kind of news hitting their state. 0:17:08.359 --> 0:17:11.240 So I would imagine it probably spurred some some action 0:17:11.720 --> 0:17:15.960 Pennsylvania and Budd we'll talk about the Georgia guy first, 0:17:17.000 --> 0:17:21.960 very Brent Marsh Yeah, pleaded guilty and apologized. Yeah he 0:17:22.160 --> 0:17:25.560 uh he owned a CREMATORI um in noble Georgia, and 0:17:25.600 --> 0:17:28.359 neither Chuck Nora, I know where that is, so don't 0:17:28.400 --> 0:17:32.760 ask um. I think it's a probably in the north 0:17:33.520 --> 0:17:36.879 west because it's where Tennessee, Georgia, and Alabama come together, 0:17:36.920 --> 0:17:39.040 which is why you call it tried state crematorium. He 0:17:39.080 --> 0:17:42.200 was serving all three states, UM and in all three 0:17:42.240 --> 0:17:47.000 states the bodies of the beloved deceased were basically half 0:17:47.080 --> 0:17:51.600 buried out in the backyard because the cremator broke down 0:17:51.840 --> 0:17:54.480 and they just never got it fixed. Yeah, the incinerator 0:17:54.560 --> 0:17:57.719 broke and so I think three hundred and thirty six 0:17:57.800 --> 0:18:02.800 bodies in total were found and UM I found they 0:18:02.840 --> 0:18:07.719 originally they could only charge him with accepting money and 0:18:07.760 --> 0:18:10.560 fraud for services not rendered. Yeah, there was no there's 0:18:10.640 --> 0:18:12.280 no law in the books. They hit him with some 0:18:12.320 --> 0:18:14.600 other stuff though I think it must have come out 0:18:14.640 --> 0:18:17.400 after this article. He was actually charged with UM almost 0:18:17.400 --> 0:18:21.240 eight hundred counts of theft and abuse of a corpse. 0:18:21.880 --> 0:18:24.400 So they actually charging with stealing these corpses. You don't 0:18:24.400 --> 0:18:26.600 want to go to prison within an abuse of a 0:18:26.600 --> 0:18:29.359 corpse wrap on your head. They'll find out about that. Yeah, 0:18:29.400 --> 0:18:32.240 And he was sentenced to eight thousand years in prison 0:18:32.960 --> 0:18:36.920 and UM plea bargain that down to twelve years. Somehow 0:18:37.359 --> 0:18:41.119 did you say eight thousand years? That was almost a spit. 0:18:41.160 --> 0:18:44.960 Take that. Yeah, you were drinking your deep drink and 0:18:44.960 --> 0:18:48.120 you almost fitted out. Uh so, yeah, eight thousand down 0:18:48.119 --> 0:18:50.720 to twelve, which is pretty good deal for him. Um 0:18:50.760 --> 0:18:54.560 there was a thirty six million dollar settlement from fifty 0:18:54.560 --> 0:18:57.080 eight funeral homes that sent bodies to the sky, So 0:18:57.119 --> 0:18:59.960 they sued the funeral homes and then they brought a suit, 0:19:00.080 --> 0:19:04.680 an eighty million dollar civil suits settlement against um, this 0:19:04.720 --> 0:19:08.240 guy and his father's estate. And they probably don't have 0:19:08.280 --> 0:19:09.800 that kind of dose, so they're probably gonna do what 0:19:09.840 --> 0:19:11.520 it happens when that happens, which is you go after 0:19:11.560 --> 0:19:15.000 the insurance company. Oh yeah, the Georgia farm. But the 0:19:15.000 --> 0:19:18.439 guy didn't even get around to having the incinerator fixed. 0:19:18.960 --> 0:19:23.640 He does, he's got three bodies in his backyard. But yeah, 0:19:23.720 --> 0:19:26.040 so he's uh, he's in jail right now as far 0:19:26.080 --> 0:19:30.480 as yeah, almost for eight thousand years. And you said 0:19:30.520 --> 0:19:34.159 Pennsylvania didn't want that to happen, Probably it did. In 0:19:34.200 --> 0:19:36.360 two thousand five. What happened there there was a guy 0:19:36.359 --> 0:19:39.439 who ran a crematorium and he had a he had 0:19:39.480 --> 0:19:43.840 a deal with the local women's hospital to cremate the 0:19:43.880 --> 0:19:48.440 remains of pre term babies. Basically aborted fetuses. This guy's 0:19:48.520 --> 0:19:51.920 job was to incinerate him. It's probably not a fun 0:19:51.960 --> 0:19:54.639 contract to sign. Even if that's the way you make 0:19:54.680 --> 0:19:58.360 your money, you can't feel great about like closing that deal, right, Yeah, yeah, 0:19:58.400 --> 0:20:01.720 you don't go out for a big fat st Um 0:20:01.960 --> 0:20:04.760 the authorities, I guess we're tipped off. And they went 0:20:04.760 --> 0:20:08.560 into his garage and found in boxes the remains of 0:20:08.640 --> 0:20:13.919 three hundred fetuses. Actually nineteen of them were post term really, 0:20:14.080 --> 0:20:18.119 so they were born children. Um that he was supposed 0:20:18.160 --> 0:20:20.160 to cremate and he didn't. But they can only get 0:20:20.200 --> 0:20:25.359 them on nineteen counts because they're unborn, so he couldn't. 0:20:25.400 --> 0:20:28.000 They weren't technically human beings under the eyes of the loss, 0:20:28.000 --> 0:20:30.119 so he didn't get anything for those, But for the 0:20:30.240 --> 0:20:32.960 nineteen he he got in some trouble, but he set 0:20:33.080 --> 0:20:34.720 in his body. I don't know, but he had him 0:20:34.720 --> 0:20:36.879 in boxes in his garage to which is apparently the 0:20:37.040 --> 0:20:40.480 m O of the shady crematorium operator. Yeah. I hope 0:20:40.480 --> 0:20:42.280 they did the book at him. Oh yeah, I'm sure 0:20:42.280 --> 0:20:44.800 they did. That makes me angry. Uh, can't you tell 0:20:44.840 --> 0:20:48.240 how angry at him? Um? And like Elsinore, California, josh 0:20:48.240 --> 0:20:52.320 In two thousand three, a a dodgy owner was selling 0:20:52.320 --> 0:20:56.840 body parts for a medical research like heads yeah too people, Yeah, 0:20:56.960 --> 0:20:59.880 which means that he was cutting these heads off. Oh yeah, 0:21:00.320 --> 0:21:03.080 and he was sentenced to twenty years in prison. And 0:21:03.200 --> 0:21:07.840 did I say just say prison? And then in Mississippi, Uh, 0:21:07.880 --> 0:21:12.080 there was a really nice guy named Mark Sieep who 0:21:12.400 --> 0:21:16.280 was mixing human remains together, giving out wrong ashes, dumping 0:21:16.320 --> 0:21:19.040 them into trash bends and he was found guilty and 0:21:19.040 --> 0:21:21.520 put in jail too. Yeah did you say that, um 0:21:21.680 --> 0:21:25.159 Marie Brent Marsh was giving people wood, ash and cement. 0:21:25.560 --> 0:21:27.200 I didn't mention that, but yeah, that's what he did, 0:21:27.600 --> 0:21:29.080 because I mean, it's not like he was just like, 0:21:29.160 --> 0:21:31.639 oh I got nothing and they burned up entirely. He 0:21:31.760 --> 0:21:34.600 was like, here's some cement and an urn. Thanks for 0:21:34.640 --> 0:21:37.760 the money. Yeah. I understand that guy's incinerator burning and 0:21:37.800 --> 0:21:39.480 maybe not having the money to fix it, but I 0:21:39.560 --> 0:21:43.040 bet you anything he may have made enough money to 0:21:43.280 --> 0:21:45.080 get it fixed after that and was like, hey, I'm 0:21:45.119 --> 0:21:47.720 kind of onto something here. We don't actually have to 0:21:47.760 --> 0:21:51.159 do this as pure profit exactly, So Chuck, before we 0:21:51.200 --> 0:21:54.359 get into things that you can do with um the 0:21:54.480 --> 0:21:58.520