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Speaker 1: Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve Camray.

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Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you welcome to Stuff you should know

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Speaker 1: from house Stuff Works dot com. Hey, and welcome to

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Speaker 1: the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles W. Chucker's bryant

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Speaker 1: with a full beard. Actually, yeah, do you know what

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Speaker 1: that would smell like if it caught fire? It would

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Speaker 1: smell like mayonnaise. It's it's smell worse than mandaise ever did.

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Speaker 1: Jerry's in there like she doesn't like the smell of

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Speaker 1: burning hair or mannix um. Burning mayonnaise would be particularly

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Speaker 1: bad if you had hair on top of your burning

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Speaker 1: hairy mannaise the worst thing you can burn, So chuck.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully that will never happen while you're alive. It could

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Speaker 1: possibly happen um after you're deceased, if you're cremated. Like

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Speaker 1: a fellow named Ralph White, who you know about? I've

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Speaker 1: never heard of the guy you have to chuck. Do

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Speaker 1: you remember that horrid webcast we used to have. Yes,

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Speaker 1: there's a guy. He was the president past president of

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Speaker 1: the Adventurers Adventurers Club and not to be confused with

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Speaker 1: the one from South Park. This guy UM was a

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Speaker 1: real life adventure and he he was I think he

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Speaker 1: was like a a cameraman for UM a skydiving show

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Speaker 1: called rip Chord National Geographic. He was there when they

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Speaker 1: discovered the Titanic Buddies with the Jim Cameron. Yeah he was.

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Speaker 1: He was second director I think on Titanic. Yeah, who

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Speaker 1: was Jim Cameron was also in that club, the little

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Speaker 1: Club in l A. That's right. Yeah, I'll bet Ralph

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Speaker 1: White got Jim Cameron in. And are we calling him

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Speaker 1: Jim Now? I didn't realize we were on that that

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Speaker 1: friendly basis Jim or Jimmy. Well, anyway, Ralph White was

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Speaker 1: had a pretty cool post not post mortem. He had

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Speaker 1: a very cool posthumous story and that was he was

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Speaker 1: cremated and his friends were so dedicated and loyal to

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Speaker 1: him that, Um, whenever they go on to travel now

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Speaker 1: they take about a tenth about a teaspoon or of

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Speaker 1: the teaspoon, some very small amount of Ralph White's cremated

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Speaker 1: remains and scatter and wherever they go. Pretty cool. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think he's in the whaling wall in Jerusalem. Um,

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Speaker 1: he's in Lake but call. He went on a space

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Speaker 1: flight and Ralph Whites. Posthumous adventures kind of illustrate all

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Speaker 1: the wonderful things you can do with a cremated body,

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Speaker 1: which is one of the reasons why people choose to

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Speaker 1: be cremated. It's highly portable, right, absolutely, and it's nothing new, Chuck.

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Speaker 1: Cremation has been going on for a very long time,

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Speaker 1: hasn't it. Yeah, we won't get into I mean, there's

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Speaker 1: we could rattle off every country and when they started,

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Speaker 1: but we really could because of this fine, fine article

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Speaker 1: written by a freelancer, right, Michelle Kim. I've never heard

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Speaker 1: of this person before, but it was a really great article. Um.

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Speaker 1: But it has been around since prehistoric times. China has

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Speaker 1: been doing it since eight thousand BC. That's more than

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Speaker 1: ten thousand years ago, more than ten thousand years ago.

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Speaker 1: One part of the history I did find interesting though

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Speaker 1: and fitting since we did our Freemason cast was the

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Speaker 1: Freemasons during the French Revolution kind of push for cremation

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Speaker 1: because it was the whole not anti religion, but just

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Speaker 1: sort of mixing it up with religion. You know. They

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Speaker 1: were anti Catholic Church, well, very much against the Church,

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Speaker 1: and they were saying, if you have yourself cremated, it's

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Speaker 1: Catholic said, you can't get cremated for a long time. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: it kind of contradicts the whole resurrection thing. You know,

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Speaker 1: the body's kind of gotta be intact. It's like the

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Speaker 1: one thing we can't do. You know. We can rise

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Speaker 1: from the dead, but if you're sorry, yeah, and you

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Speaker 1: you don't want to come back and find that you're

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Speaker 1: nothing but asses, because you're gonna be ticked off, right right. Uh.

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Speaker 1: The actual creamator, the cremation chamber, which I like to

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Speaker 1: a crib star product from the Adventures of Pete and Pete.

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Speaker 1: It does. It was invented in the late eighteen hundreds

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Speaker 1: by Professor Brunetti, and uh, it started in Earnest in

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Speaker 1: when Pennsylvania isn't non licensed state still, which I thought

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Speaker 1: of a scandal that we'll talk about later that Um. Apparently,

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Speaker 1: the the crematory business, you either have fine upstanding people

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Speaker 1: let's talk about how this works, all right. Yeah, well

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Speaker 1: the spoilers it's not. Sort of is, but it's not.

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Speaker 1: Well it's not green, but it's definitely not green. It's

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Speaker 1: not brown either, it's not black. It's somewhere between. So chuckers,

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Speaker 1: you're ready to talk. Yeah, Like, just the actual process

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Speaker 1: is pretty gruesome. Um. Initially, they store the body in

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Speaker 1: and they have to like sign off and say this

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Speaker 1: hasn't been fully vetted, like I imagine, they wouldn't cremate

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Speaker 1: like someone that was had any kind of relation to

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Speaker 1: following pacemaker, breast implants, silicon breast implants, prothesis, or cancer seeds,

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Speaker 1: But there's some things that can't be removed. Well, they

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Speaker 1: you would be buried with your glasses on. They want

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Speaker 1: you cremated with your glasses, right. But in some countries,

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Speaker 1: countries there are laws against anybody who's cremating a body

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Speaker 1: And then they put the body once it's been removed,

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Speaker 1: these things into a flammable box like a pine or

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Speaker 1: it into the incinerator is already preheated, by the way, yes,

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Speaker 1: then it just burns. It just catches fire. Right now.

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Speaker 1: and uh. Families. Sometimes you can watch this process through

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Speaker 1: if it's a Hindu cremation, you can actually push go right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: just like so long? Yeah, so here aunt Tina. Uh

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Speaker 1: starts to dry out all that water that's in your

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Speaker 1: like a charred skeleton is what it ultimately comes down

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Speaker 1: there's there's something called the um enter Tech four. You

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Speaker 1: should go on to Matthew's crematorium dot com. They have

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Speaker 1: This thing is like state of the art. Interchech four

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Speaker 1: like automated. Now, well they also sell them ones that

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Speaker 1: Pay for what you get um. And at the end

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Speaker 1: not tons OF's hyperbolic, but you're using a lot of

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Speaker 1: natural gas or diesel or whatever. You're using a lot

423
00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:07,080
Speaker 1: of electricity. It takes both. Um, So apparently it releases

424
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,960
Speaker 1: a standard cremation releases about eight hundred and eighty pounds

425
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:14,680
Speaker 1: of CEO two just one body, and that's the big enemy.

426
00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:18,880
Speaker 1: And it uses enough energy to basically power a five

427
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:22,760
Speaker 1: hundred mile road trip, so not not one and the same,

428
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:25,800
Speaker 1: like these are two separate things. So it uses the

429
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:29,760
Speaker 1: energy to get you across country five miles and it

430
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 1: depending on the size of your country, and it releases

431
00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:34,560
Speaker 1: eight hundred and eighty pounds of CEO two into the air.

432
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 1: I wonder what that compares to footprint wise to standard burial.

433
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:43,520
Speaker 1: I think it's I think I don't know, and I

434
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:47,960
Speaker 1: think it's just entirely different ways. Where I think maybe

435
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 1: a natural or a regular traditional burial is more it's

436
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:55,639
Speaker 1: more polluting, like directly polluting into the into the ground

437
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:57,840
Speaker 1: and the kind of thing, and it's using up resources,

438
00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:02,240
Speaker 1: where um, a cream nation has less of an impact

439
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:05,879
Speaker 1: over time, but immediately it's a lot of input. It

440
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:09,760
Speaker 1: requires a lot of input. Gotcha, that's my concept of it, right.

441
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,200
Speaker 1: I wouldn't mind being burned, but I like the um.

442
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,879
Speaker 1: Which country was it where they like burn you on

443
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:16,920
Speaker 1: top of the wood by like the banks of the river.

444
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:19,600
Speaker 1: That's India. Yeah, I like that. That's what how I

445
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 1: would want to go. Well, buddy, if you live in

446
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:23,639
Speaker 1: India and you're a Hindu, that's exactly how you have

447
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,560
Speaker 1: to go. That was a perfect segrete of religion. And

448
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 1: I guess so. Uh you said Hindu is a mandate cremation. Yeah,

449
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 1: They're the only only religion that does. Yeah, and it's uh,

450
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:35,680
Speaker 1: it's called um. I'm gonna go ahead and give it

451
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:39,200
Speaker 1: a whirl here. Uh antem sandcar? Which is last? Right?

452
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:45,680
Speaker 1: You wanna hit the other one? Uh? Antsd? Yeah? Antist?

453
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 1: I think? Which is last sacrifice? Yeah? And that is

454
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 1: those are one of the sixteen life rituals. I guess

455
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:54,159
Speaker 1: it would be the last one. Actually, I'll probably be

456
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:57,159
Speaker 1: corrected there. Maybe one after that the whole rebirth and

457
00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:00,439
Speaker 1: all that. Maybe, but the the I guess the smoke

458
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:03,880
Speaker 1: um gets the body to the next life. I bet

459
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:05,879
Speaker 1: it's one of the last four. I bet it is.

460
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 1: I'll wager on that. Uh. And they yeah, like you said,

461
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,119
Speaker 1: it's their Hindu. So they say you dispose of this

462
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 1: body and it ushers you and helps you be reborn

463
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,680
Speaker 1: into the next life when you're cremated. And while Hinduism

464
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,680
Speaker 1: is the only religion that mandates you have that's how

465
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:25,119
Speaker 1: you that's how your body is disposed of. Um, Sikhism

466
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 1: and Jainism are both kind of strongly adorse it, although

467
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 1: they don't require it. Right And Um, you were saying

468
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 1: that they cremate people in India along the banks of

469
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:39,120
Speaker 1: the river. Most of their cremations from what I understand

470
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 1: our open air cremations idea, there's a city called Varanasi,

471
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,879
Speaker 1: which is apparently is the holy city to be cremated

472
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:49,919
Speaker 1: in and you are cremated out and open along the

473
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Speaker 1: banks of the Ganges. Yeah, that's nice. But they do

474
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 1: have an electric crematorium. But since there's a billion people

475
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,439
Speaker 1: who live in India and all of one electricity, this

476
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:03,679
Speaker 1: place that suffers power. Man, that's sad. If you are

477
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:08,200
Speaker 1: a Christian, Jewish or your Muslim Josh, they generally frown

478
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:11,440
Speaker 1: upon it because or outright prohibited, depending on which religion

479
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,880
Speaker 1: it is. Yeah, Islam prohibits it. Yeah, they like they

480
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 1: want you buried that day the same day you die,

481
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:21,680
Speaker 1: preferably right. So Um in Judaism, Chuck Uh, I don't

482
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 1: think it's actually restricted. I think you can if you

483
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:29,879
Speaker 1: want to. But the m among Orthodox and conservative Jews,

484
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:35,199
Speaker 1: the memory of the Holocaust sure still understandably smarts to

485
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 1: the point where they're like, why would you want to

486
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 1: be cremated? This is you know, that's it's there's legacy

487
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 1: is still around. So there's a lot of there's a

488
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:45,640
Speaker 1: lot of Jews who don't want to be cremated, even

489
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:50,119
Speaker 1: though their religion doesn't prohibit it, right understandably, Um, Protestants,

490
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 1: actually is where you're gonna be find some more open

491
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,680
Speaker 1: minds to cremation. They don't, you know, have any literature

492
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:58,720
Speaker 1: that says you should do this, but they're definitely more

493
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,440
Speaker 1: understanding about it than other really, right. And we talked

494
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 1: about the Catholic Church having a problem with it because

495
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:08,119
Speaker 1: of its association with subversiveness towards the church. But in

496
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 1: the sixties the Catholic Church said, hey, we've never really

497
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 1: prohibited it. You can't get cremated if you want, and

498
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 1: apparently they gave it a boost. The Hula Burger people

499
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 1: really catered for the Catholics in the sixties. I found

500
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 1: Canna says that of Catholics are cremated now, so that's

501
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 1: quite a boost. I would say. Um. The Mormons also,

502
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 1: they're not big on cremation, although they don't prohibit it.

503
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 1: And in countries where um it's traditional, they're like, yeah,

504
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 1: please go ahead. But the Orthodox Eastern Orthodox Church says nay,

505
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 1: yeah yet, good point. Thanks, Um, where are we now

506
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,640
Speaker 1: with some can we talk about finally what you can

507
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 1: do with your remains? I think it's high time to

508
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 1: you not what you can do with your remains, because

509
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 1: you clearly can't do anything. But that's not what you

510
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,879
Speaker 1: can do if your remains, but what your friends and

511
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 1: family can do with your remains. And sometimes they like

512
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,159
Speaker 1: to um, keep you in and urn and then they

513
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 1: have these little cemetery like buildings called a columbarium. And

514
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 1: they just told ashes from what I understand, yeah, it's

515
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 1: like a vault. So some people choose that that cost

516
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,160
Speaker 1: him dough. Obviously, go ahead and tell us about your hero.

517
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,360
Speaker 1: I know you want to mention that who Hunter t Yeah?

518
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, he was mixed with fireworks and shot out

519
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 1: of a cannon, a hundred and fifty three foot cannon

520
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 1: also called a memorial tower, and apparently it's it was

521
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 1: an organization called Heavens Above Fireworks that did this, and

522
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 1: every anybody can do it. And Johnny Depth paid for

523
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 1: the whole party, right, Yeah, And from what I saw

524
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 1: it was if it was this British company, he would

525
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 1: have paid about the equivalent of three thousand U S.

526
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 1: Dollars for a large fireworks display. That's what they charged.

527
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 1: Don't mention money. Actually I did see the average cremation

528
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 1: cost is about six d bucks. Yeah, and the average

529
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 1: funeral I saw five grand in this article, it's ten grand. Decided,

530
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 1: let's say somewhere between five and ten dollars. But back

531
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 1: to things you can do. We would be remiss um

532
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 1: if we didn't mention to our NERD friends that Gene Roddenberry,

533
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 1: the creator of Star Trek fame, was everyone knows this.

534
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 1: He was shot into space. So was Timothy Learry. Oh yeah,

535
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 1: that's right, by the same company, Celestis. And they're still

536
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 1: in business as far as I know. I bet they are.

537
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 1: And then you got life, Jim. If we've talked about

538
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 1: I think again on the webcast. You can take your

539
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 1: cremated remains and have them compressed into a synthetic diamond.

540
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 1: You can have your remains mixed into paint, and I

541
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 1: guess that's not so much you can have, but you

542
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 1: can probably just do that. It depends. Like there's there's

543
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 1: there's actually a guy who does something called um Ash

544
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 1: portraits and he he does it just with the person's ashes,

545
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 1: but he'll also mix it in with oil or whatever. Interesting,

546
00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 1: but he does portraits of the deceased. All right, change

547
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 1: my mind. I want to be remembered as dogs playing poker.

548
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 1: That would be pretty off, That's what that would be

549
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 1: really cool. Uh what else can you do? Um? You can, Oh,

550
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 1: you can become part of the coral reef. I know

551
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 1: there's companies that do that. There's a company called Eternal Reefs.

552
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 1: I think is the big one. This is pretty obvious name,

553
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 1: don't you know. And and what they actually they make

554
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 1: different sized reefs and what they do is they mix

555
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 1: your remains in with cement and like so the big one,

556
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 1: it can accommodate up to four family members. So if

557
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 1: your family went down in a plane and you just

558
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 1: feel like showing out for one, you know, coral reef

559
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 1: they've got you cover. It's like seven grand uh huh,

560
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 1: and it's pretty big size and it's cool looking. I

561
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 1: mean it looks like an artificial reef, and then you

562
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 1: take it out and dump it overboard. Fish live amongst

563
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 1: your your family members, who I really really hope loved

564
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 1: scuba diving exactly. Do you remember Keith Richards a couple

565
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 1: of years ago, he's still alive, well now, his dad

566
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 1: passed away, and he said that he snorted his father

567
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 1: with cocaine and then I mean apparently said the Center interview.

568
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 1: Then that came out and he was like, no, no, no,

569
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 1: no no, I was just kidding around. I of course

570
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 1: I didn't snort my father. I think he snorted his father.

571
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 1: I think he did too. The Sound like Um episode

572
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 1: where this these people snort the remains of this girl. Yeah,

573
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 1: I remember that one. I do have some stats for you, though,

574
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 1: what people seem to like to doty percent to keep

575
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 1: the ashes at their home, thirty seven percent bury the ashes.

576
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 1: Do the scatter very popular? I thought it'd be more

577
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 1: popular than that though. The most popular one is water

578
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 1: scattering and number two is scattering somewhere on family property.

579
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 1: Not really three percent are put in the columbarium. And

580
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 1: you might notice, Josh that adds, Yeah, there's one percent

581
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 1: that go on claimed, so sad. It is sad, and

582
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 1: I apparently the people who own crematoriums find it sad too,

583
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 1: because even though after a set period of time and

584
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 1: stay that regulate this kind of stuff, which did we

585
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 1: say the Federal Trade Commission regulates mortuaries, there's no federal

586
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 1: oversight for any crematorium comes out of the state. Um

587
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 1: but in states where there are regulations, they still say

588
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 1: you can throw these out after a set period of time.

589
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 1: But most crematoriums, the up and up ones will hang

590
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 1: onto these things for decades because again it's a small box.

591
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 1: But I mean, they don't want to just throw it away.

592
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 1: It's and it's only one percent, So I don't imagine

593
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 1: they're like overflowing with unclaimed remains. I would hope not.

594
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 1: But since you did mention the scattering, we should talk

595
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 1: about some of the laws about scattering, because you can't

596
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 1: just scatter anywhere. No, the National Park Service has no

597
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: official stance on scattering remains. They leave it up to

598
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 1: each individual park, but most of the park say unless

599
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 1: there's like a grave area, like it designated grave area,

600
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 1: you can't scatter ashes here. Well, it also said they

601
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 1: kind of turned a blind eye, like they know it

602
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 1: os on and I'm sure some ashes in Yosemite Park

603
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: are like how are you going to tell the difference

604
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 1: between that and like fire ash or dirt or whatever. Um,

605
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 1: But state parks they say, actually, the National Forest Service

606
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:17,239
Speaker 1: doesn't regulate anything on their land. So that's where you

607
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 1: would probably want to go, like avoid the National park

608
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 1: and just stay in the National Forest or go to

609
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 1: your state park that was a beloved state park, because

610
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 1: they're a little more lax than the national parks, right them.

611
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 1: If you want to do water scattering or ocean scattering, Um,

612
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 1: the e p A says you've gotta be three miles

613
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: away from the coastline, right, very prudish. California is like

614
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 1: that's way too much. Um, they still have restriction, but

615
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 1: it's five feet right yeah, pretty close. Um. And people

616
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 1: don't always follow regulations, right. Yeah. So you want to

617
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 1: tell about the Cubs fan, Yeah, this is kind of

618
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 1: a nice story. Um, Steve Goodman died of lukemi in

619
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 1: die hard Cuvees fan sadly did not get to see

620
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 1: the Cubs winn World Series. As likely neither will you,

621
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 1: and I um. And four years later he his buddy

622
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 1: snuck in before opening day and threw the ashes into

623
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 1: the wind out over the field. Nice. Pretty cool. That

624
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:16,319
Speaker 1: is pretty cool. Did you ever hear of Graham Parsons story?

625
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 1: His body was stolen right yeah, his friends, Um, he

626
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 1: said that he wanted to be cremated and scattered on

627
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 1: cap rock in Joshua Tree National Park. Right. Um and

628
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 1: his parents found out he was dead and had his

629
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:32,359
Speaker 1: bodyship back for a private funeral, and his friends found

630
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 1: out that they weren't going to be invited, so they

631
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 1: stole him and uh took him out to Joshua Tree

632
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Speaker 1: and opened the casket through some gasoline on him and

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00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,959
Speaker 1: set him on fire five gallons of gas right, and

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00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 1: it didn't work because we've said what it takes. So

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00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,319
Speaker 1: he was half cremated by the time the cops showed up.

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00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 1: He's sort of melty and just like Georgia. Back then,

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00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:57,320
Speaker 1: there was nothing about there were no penalties for stealing

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00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 1: a corpse, so they got them for theft of a casket.

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Speaker 1: I think that was Did you see that movie? Johnny

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00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:06,319
Speaker 1: Knoxville played the guy that his buddy It's not very good.

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00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 1: I did stay in the hotel though. Actually I meant

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Speaker 1: to mention that in the Root sixty six. Yeah, the

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00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,919
Speaker 1: Joshua tree in not in his room though. And before

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Speaker 1: we move on from Scattering josh we have to mention,

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00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 1: because we like to mention our movies, the excellent, excellent

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00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 1: scene from The Big Lebowski, the scattering scene in the

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00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 1: end of when all of them just blew back all

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Speaker 1: over them John Codman. Uh, it was Steve assuming that died, right,

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00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,240
Speaker 1: I think, and he he threw him out in the window,

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00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 1: back in their face over the ocean. It was good.

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00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 1: It was very good. Uh, Chuck. If I am dead

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Speaker 1: and I'm being cremated and I'm part of se of

653
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 1: the population, what country am i am? Uh? Sweden, Switzerland, Switzerland,

654
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 1: I've been cremated and I am part of just a

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00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 1: meager three percent of the population. What country am in? Ghana?

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00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 1: That's right, That's right? And in between are actually higher

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00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 1: than that Hong Kong is. Places like the Czech Republic

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00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 1: in Singapore and the UK are sort of mid to

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Speaker 1: high seventies. China and the the Netherlands are about half and uh,

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Speaker 1: Italy as far as European countries was I'm sorry Ireland

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00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 1: was six percent, in Italy was seven percent, and I

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00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 1: bet that has something to do with the Catholic thing,

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00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: I would think, so for sure, the US is about

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Speaker 1: thirty right, yeah, thanks for a large Protestant population and Hindu.

665
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 1: And there's also pet cremation. Yeah, if you if you

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Speaker 1: want to get into a burgeoning industry that went from

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00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 1: pretty much nothing to uh it's a three billion dollar industries.

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Speaker 1: The latest that get into pet cremation and the people

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00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 1: at um Matthews Crematorium supply they make pet cream cremators too.

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00:36:56,320 --> 00:37:00,919
Speaker 1: They did humans and pets and animals too. Apparently there's

671
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 1: different types. So when you could fit a horse in

672
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 1: two and one are made for like dogs or something, right,

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00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 1: you know I would support or I would I would

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00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 1: be more likely to go into one of those because

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00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 1: they say that some of the pet only crematoriums are

676
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 1: a little um dodgy. Yeah, they're totally unregulated. Yeah, so

677
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: they're just like burning your pets together and you don't

678
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 1: know that the ashes you get and if you're serious

679
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,359
Speaker 1: enough about your pet to get your pet cremated, then

680
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 1: you probably want your pets ashes, right, so you can

681
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 1: handle cremation at home just dig a shallow hole in

682
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 1: your backyard to serve as a fire break, and do

683
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 1: your neighbor is a favor and shave your pet first

684
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 1: before you set it on fire. We buried my animals

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00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 1: growing up, my pets. Yeah, we have. I think at

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00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 1: my old house we probably had like four or five

687
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 1: pets buried out in the woods. But we lived on

688
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 1: like two acres in the woods. It wasn't like in

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Speaker 1: a neighborhood. You didn't set any fire. No, no, no, no.

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00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 1: Well that's it for cremation. Um. Thanks for joining us

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00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,280
Speaker 1: for that one, right, Chuck. I think we've covered pretty

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00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,439
Speaker 1: much everything in there. Um. But if you want it's

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Speaker 1: how stuff works dot com. Jazzy. I'm just Chinese stuff.

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Speaker 1: We've been getting lots of suggestions. By the way, I

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Speaker 1: like ubiquitous search bar, and it's pretty good. It's not everywhere, though,

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00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess it is everywhere, but it's Yeah,

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00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:31,840
Speaker 1: you're right, so uh, I guess it's time for listener mail. Yeah, buddy,

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00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 1: I got a couple of today, A couple of short ones. Um.

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00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 1: The first one is from the Soniccast and it's a

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00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 1: little old, but I promise this guy would read it.

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Speaker 1: This is from Mark and Eastern m D. I know

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Speaker 1: you guys won't read this on a podcast. Those are

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00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:49,439
Speaker 1: usually the ones I read, but I just thought i'd

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00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 1: write to tell you what happened to me this morning.

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Speaker 1: In my frantic rush to get my daughter Ellie to

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00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 1: a summer camp on time, I had to run out

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00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 1: of the house without having breakfast. That caused me to

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00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 1: have to stop at a fast food joint get one

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00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:04,280
Speaker 1: of those gross, greasy breakfast sandwiches. You would think it's

713
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 1: bad enough, but it gets worse. As I drive from

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00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:08,879
Speaker 1: the driveway, I pushed play on the iPad and start

715
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,720
Speaker 1: listening to the show and Saunas, where I started hearing

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00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 1: about butt funk Chuck's sweating out gallons of fluid and

717
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 1: having to visualize a naked Vigo Mortensen fighting in a

718
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 1: sauna made my otherwise gross sandwich and greasy potato things

719
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 1: one for the books. By the way, the podcast that

720
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 1: I queued up next was all about Taste Buds, so

721
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 1: now I know how I was able to taste my

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00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 1: sandwich in the first place. Thanks a lot, guys. That's

723
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 1: from Mark. If you do happen to read this on

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Speaker 1: the on the air, would you would make Ellie and

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00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:41,760
Speaker 1: Lydia's day? And those are his daughters. Hey, Ellien, Lydia.

726
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:43,839
Speaker 1: So Mark, that is for you, my friend. And then

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00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 1: this one I didn't you think about, but it's kind

728
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 1: of fitting. Do you remember when I told you about

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00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 1: the little girl in Kent, Washington who named her Beta

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00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:55,320
Speaker 1: Fish Chuckers Jr. I saw this one. Chuckers Jr. Is

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Speaker 1: no more. Monday night, I put Chuckers Jr. Inside his

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00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 1: small bowl so I could clean his bowl in the morning.

733
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Speaker 1: Yesterday morning, I went to make my breakfast in front

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Speaker 1: of his bowl as usual. But I to make my breakfast,

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00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 1: I thought she had might make his, which would be

736
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 1: pretty cute. I felt something sticky on my foot and

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Speaker 1: I looked down into my horror. I saw Chucker's junior

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00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:19,400
Speaker 1: stuck to my foot, all dried out, and now it's horrible.

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Speaker 1: Apparently Beta's had been known to jump out of their bowls,

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00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 1: and I guess Chucker's junior jump pretty far because his

741
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 1: bowl was a good foot away from the edge of

742
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 1: the counter, yet he still ended up on the floor.

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00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 1: My theory is that he probably flopped around or something

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00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 1: onto the floor. Um, can't you just let the little

745
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:40,800
Speaker 1: girl think special? Yeah, you're right, Chucker's junior special. Katie. Also,

746
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 1: I found out that the bowl that he was in

747
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 1: had only a centimeter from the time. Where is she from, Liberia? Yeah,

748
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Speaker 1: she's from Kent, Washington. Um, she said, you're usually supposed

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Speaker 1: to leave about an inch between the top of the thing.

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00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 1: I guess to make it harder to jump out. It's

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00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 1: the same thing, right, one centimeter equals one inch. I

752
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 1: think so and so degrees below she She ends with this,

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00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 1: at least Chuckers Jr. Died a healthy fish. That's from Katie,

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00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:11,439
Speaker 1: age thirteen in Kent, Washington. Well thanks for your optimism, Katie. Yeah, Kent.

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00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 1: I'm sorry about your breakfast sandwich, although I'm hungry now.

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00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 1: It wasn't Kent, it was Marked. She was from Kent. Yeah,

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00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 1: that's sor right, Mark. Sorry about your breakfast sandwich, KNT.

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Speaker 1: I have no idea who you are. If you have

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00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 1: a really cool cremation story, we want to hear about it,

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Speaker 1: So wrap it up in an email and send it

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