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Speaker 1: The worst food that I've had on sets because they

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Speaker 3: Awesome. Please don't eat that. Please don't eat that. That's part.

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Speaker 4: Please put the puke down. Welcome to Pod meets World. Oh,

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Speaker 3: You're officially doing too much. Danielle. You're officially doing too much.

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Speaker 3: I'm Daniel Fischel, I'm right or Strong, and I'm Wilfredell.

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Speaker 4: When it comes to the legacy of Boy Meets World,

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Speaker 4: Do you remember the wardrobe? It is very nineties and

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Speaker 5: Somebody commenting that they they watched that episode because they

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it's I know, I know. Do you remember

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Speaker 5: I just remember everybody being like really nice and friendly

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Speaker 3: And I hung out.

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Speaker 3: Just the coolest girl I had ever met. I was

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Speaker 5: Well, that just shows like how kind of dumb I am,

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Speaker 7: Remember us, like, you know, like hitting it off and

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and that meant everything, you know, because I mean

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So you're back for season three for The Grass

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Speaker 4: is Always Greener. You play another flirty all this time

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Speaker 1: I have the same casting director, Sally, Yeah, for all

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Speaker 3: So I feel like, yeah, I feel like you were

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Speaker 5: You know. I feel like, oh, i'd love to know.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, do you remember getting any specific direction on

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Speaker 7: I don't.

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Speaker 5: I didn't. I didn't have that perspective of like understanding

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Speaker 4: The collaborative nature of how it comes together.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, so I think I might have been more

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Speaker 7: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Was like ready to read.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you're ready to get out of there. You're originally

445
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:44,960
Speaker 4: from Rhode Island, right, but you ended up in New

446
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:45,760
Speaker 4: York to model.

447
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:46,639
Speaker 6: I was.

448
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:50,920
Speaker 5: I was born in Rhode Islands, and then I lived

449
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:57,080
Speaker 5: there till I was about well, I lived somewhere else

450
00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:58,879
Speaker 5: just for one year. When I was eight, I came

451
00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:02,240
Speaker 5: back to Rhode Island and fourth and fifth grade. During

452
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 5: that time, when I was younger, we would drive to

453
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:10,359
Speaker 5: Boston and I was part of Cameo Kids, which was

454
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:11,920
Speaker 5: a modeling agency in Boston.

455
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:15,440
Speaker 7: I believe they let me go when I lost my

456
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:16,160
Speaker 7: two front teeth.

457
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 5: You can't model anymore. Take a break. And then and

458
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 5: then after Rhode Island for middle school, transferred from middle

459
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:33,560
Speaker 5: school to Charleston, South Carolina. And then by that time

460
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:35,960
Speaker 5: there was like a local modeling agency. It was called

461
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 5: Milly Lewis. I just went with a friend, kind of

462
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:43,080
Speaker 5: one of those like you know, take a class and

463
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 5: like learn how to put on makeup. Do you remember oodles?

464
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:51,400
Speaker 4: Oh, are you kidding? My kit and Kaboodle was everythingoodles.

465
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,640
Speaker 5: Learn how to put on makeup, like take a photo,

466
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,160
Speaker 5: this kind of thing. And then it started to snowball,

467
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:58,600
Speaker 5: like they wanted me to join the agency, and then

468
00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:01,639
Speaker 5: they wanted me to go to a model in competition

469
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:06,959
Speaker 5: that was nationwide. Long story long. I ended up signing

470
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:10,120
Speaker 5: with Wilhelmina, but in their kids division called Wee Willie's,

471
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,480
Speaker 5: which was in New York. And so then I was

472
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:17,880
Speaker 5: twelve twelve, I did the summer in New York, thirteen.

473
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:21,119
Speaker 5: They wanted me to come out to La still under Wilhelmina,

474
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 5: and then I got my race running commercial. But then

475
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:29,160
Speaker 5: they're like you should move out here and whole after

476
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:33,199
Speaker 5: big discussion, my parents decided to come out and then

477
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 5: I started high school and so then I was just

478
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:38,639
Speaker 5: sort of like auditioning after school, that kind of thing.

479
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 5: I remember even with Rice and wrote sorry race leaving

480
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 5: the audition thinking the casting director absolutely hated me, like

481
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 5: there was no way I was going to get the job.

482
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 5: But I got the job.

483
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 4: She's like, wow, my perceptions really off, you know, And

484
00:25:57,960 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 4: then yeah.

485
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,400
Speaker 5: And then just started to did like boy, meets Roll

486
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 5: like a Chicago Hope Er did an episode.

487
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 6: Of R.

488
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Speaker 4: Were your parents in the industry at all? How what

489
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:11,719
Speaker 4: did they do? How did they just are you an

490
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 4: only child? How did they just decide to pick up

491
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:15,439
Speaker 4: and move across the country?

492
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 5: Great question. I have three older brothers. Wow, the one

493
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 5: up from me was a bit caught in the mix.

494
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 5: The older two were already in college by then, beginning college.

495
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 5: And yeah, I remember a lot of like cross country

496
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 5: driving road trips in my grandmother's fleetwood Cadillac Nice. Those

497
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:46,920
Speaker 5: were the days of the road trips, transporting everything over.

498
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:50,400
Speaker 5: And my father had me pretty late. He was older

499
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:54,160
Speaker 5: than my mom, so he was sort of retired by then,

500
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:58,200
Speaker 5: and I can only assume, yeah, they were kind of

501
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,480
Speaker 5: going with it and it, but yeah, we didn't really

502
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 5: I had uh, I have like two second cousins out here.

503
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 5: It was like the only family, so we were able

504
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,680
Speaker 5: to connect with them. And then yeah, just started the

505
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:17,880
Speaker 5: the journey. You can look back and see the couple

506
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 5: crazy managers ahead. And then but like you know, finally

507
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 5: from from Oh, I was with gold Marshak. Do you

508
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:33,239
Speaker 5: remember Golden Marshak You reread Burbank, There was do you remember, Uh,

509
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 5: there was that big brown building off of Olive and

510
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:43,680
Speaker 5: there was a restaurant called Adults like the Hangout. So

511
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 5: around that time of like having the commercials and probably

512
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 5: working on this show, I was with Golden Marshak and

513
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 5: then I eventually was introduced to an agent at GERSH

514
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 5: and then I was there for a bit. So yeah,

515
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 5: I mean, I've lived here way too long.

516
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 4: And I think about if my kid was deciding to

517
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 4: act and then somebody said to me, listen, Adler's really talented.

518
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,920
Speaker 4: I think you guys should move to New York. I'd

519
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 4: be like, well, we're obviously not going to pick up

520
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 4: for the kid, for the six year old, like you know,

521
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:21,639
Speaker 4: it just and yet so many people we talked to

522
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 4: who it totally paid off for that it was the

523
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 4: right move, that families are just willing to take that

524
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:33,120
Speaker 4: leap based on you know, instinct and obviously the knowing

525
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,399
Speaker 4: it's it's so it's so remarkable, like thank god your

526
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 4: parents were like, yeah, you know what, I'm retired, and

527
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 4: you know, did your mom work? Was she able to

528
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 4: just get a job out here?

529
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 5: No? No, she didn't. Actually, I mean I was sort

530
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 5: of like supporting the family then I was also going

531
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 5: to throw in there. When we came out here, we

532
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 5: stayed at the oak Wood, Oh yeah, which is now

533
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 5: like something else and like.

534
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 3: They should just go back to Oakwood. It's ridiculous. Do

535
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 3: you remember your building?

536
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 5: I don't remember my building, but I do. I remember

537
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 5: like the pool area. I remember like a wreck area

538
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 5: where I tried to take an aerobics class and just

539
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 5: heavily mailed somewhere in the back. I was like, by

540
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 5: my day, they had like a communal like a piano

541
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 5: in there, and I would sort of just like wander

542
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 5: around the oak Wood, like you know, I remember hiking too.

543
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 5: I started hiking. I think I even hiked up like

544
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 5: that hill that's like blind Oh yeah, do that too.

545
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 5: Those were kind of the days too. I mean I

546
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 5: grew up like in the eighties, and it was sort

547
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 5: of like the lock see a dinner, yeah exactly.

548
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, come home in the light when when the sun

549
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 3: starts to go down. That's how it's supposed to be.

550
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 5: So I would like wander around the oak Wood, and

551
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 5: eventually as I got older, and then we moved to

552
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 5: off of Glen Oaks on the other side of the river.

553
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 5: By Jan Fernando, and across the street was a Blockbuster,

554
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 5: and I do my brother, one of my brothers worked

555
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 5: there for like a summer memorable Buster.

556
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, of course. Yeah, I'm married because of block

557
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 4: I'm married.

558
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 3: Because of Blockbuster.

559
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 6: So yes, oh yeah, I was returning a tape while

560
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 6: my wife and I re met, and then I proposed

561
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 6: her right in front of what used to be the Blockbuster.

562
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 3: Five years later.

563
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, so he still has a Blockbuster card in his

564
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 4: wallet that he carries around with him for. We don't know, listen,

565
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 4: we don't know.

566
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 5: It's amazing.

567
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 3: I have no problems with anything. They just said.

568
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 5: Was the best.

569
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 4: Thank you, be kind and Rewind and be kind rewind yep, exactly. Well,

570
00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 4: after Boy Meets World, you were just off to the races.

571
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 4: Are kiss the Girls? And soon after American Pie. So

572
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 4: much of young Hollywood broke out from this movie while

573
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 4: you were filming. Did you know it was special? Did

574
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 4: it just feel special?

575
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 5: Oh? I told you like the worst With these answers,

576
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 5: I just had no clue. And again, I mean I've

577
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 5: recently talked about this, but that point, that period of

578
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 5: my life was pretty heavy and pretty dark. So I

579
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 5: was saved very much by working on that film and

580
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 5: you know, going to work with like Chris Klein and

581
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 5: people that really made it beautiful and positive. It was

582
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 5: a It was a nice rescue from a lot of things.

583
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 5: So no, I did not have that concept. I worked

584
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 5: on American Pie and American Beauty back to back pretty.

585
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 7: Much, and then they came out back to back. And

586
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 7: I've mentioned this, I will not lie.

587
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 5: I honestly thought that every movie made a hundred million dollars,

588
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 5: Like I just of focusing on the work, doing my job,

589
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 5: being a good student. But I didn't have that ability

590
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 5: to look at a script and think like, people are

591
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 5: gonna love this or this is gonna be a.

592
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 6: Hit, And well, if you just stuck with movies and

593
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 6: had an American in the title, you were doing fine.

594
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 4: Then.

595
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 7: And then I put that in my writer in my Deal,

596
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 7: my mother, only.

597
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 4: American in the title. Did you have any reservations about

598
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 4: working on something that was like so obviously pushing the

599
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 4: envelope at the time.

600
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 5: On American Beauty, well both of both. Oh well, but

601
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 5: American Pie was like the sweet Sweater sets. Yeah, you

602
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 5: were remember them asking me if I sang towards the

603
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 5: end of the audition I was like, yeah, I was

604
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 5: in the choir for three years, you know, middle school.

605
00:32:54,960 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 3: Like great, that's good, and you're doing your oppression of yourself.

606
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 5: True, I'm not really a singer, but I do remember

607
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 5: going into the studio with Chris and like working on

608
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 5: this song and it's funny because I love it, but like, man,

609
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 5: when I hear that song, I'm like And then in Beauty,

610
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 5: I was pretty much like living it to a certain extent,

611
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 5: which I finally talked about recently. So that was kind

612
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 5: of like a no brainer. Yeah, No, definitely wasn't like

613
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 5: this is tawdry. I was like, oh, it's different.

614
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 4: Are you writing a memoir? You said You've been writing

615
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 4: about this a lot.

616
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 6: It did.

617
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's called The Great Piece. It came out in

618
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 5: twenty twenty one, and I finally was like, here's my

619
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 5: side of the story. So I was because for a

620
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 5: long time I was caught in this place of I

621
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 5: mean especially back then too, like doing press for American Pie,

622
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 5: and I was always trying to come up with like

623
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 5: the one liner and make it sound great. And I

624
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 5: finally was a well to just you know, reveal that again.

625
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 5: It saved me in a lot of respects, and I

626
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 5: wasn't necessarily. I mean, I did a thing with Jason

627
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,240
Speaker 5: and his wife Jenny, it's called dinner in a movie,

628
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 5: And I went on and we with Alison Hannigan and

629
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 5: we watched American Pie and talked about it again, and

630
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 5: I just didn't. I didn't what is it like relate

631
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 5: with them in the way that I think a lot

632
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 5: of them were. So I was just living very much

633
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,360
Speaker 5: in like a different space. So I missed out on

634
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 5: a lot of that, like camaraderie and friendship or just

635
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 5: understanding what we were making. I would kind of like

636
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 5: go in do my job. Even on American Beauty. I

637
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 5: remember thinking one day on set, I'm literally I'm so

638
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 5: grateful to have a job and everyone's so nice, Like

639
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 5: it was that.

640
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:51,319
Speaker 4: Simple, right, Yeah, do you mind sharing what was going

641
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 4: on with you in your personal life? I have not

642
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 4: read the memoir. I'm going to read it now, but

643
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 4: just a lot of, you.

644
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:02,359
Speaker 5: Know, things that I think through childhood led me into

645
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 5: feeling very insecure and abandoned, and I ended like a

646
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 5: lot of really dark relationships, especially by the time I

647
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 5: was right before working on American Pie, and so I

648
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 5: was living with someone who was a lot older than me.

649
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:26,800
Speaker 5: It was like taking me to school, started doing a

650
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:30,320
Speaker 5: lot of like different drugs, and so playing someone like

651
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 5: Heather was completely opposite to what I was living. It

652
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 5: became very like abusive and very like sexually abusive. So

653
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 5: I think that's why I had no, you know, qualms

654
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 5: with relating to Angela. I was sort of used to.

655
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 5: It's interesting too, not to get like dark round going

656
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 5: met the world, but it's interesting too how I watched

657
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 5: myself with with like especially the second episode. I'm in

658
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 5: season three and and there's just like a comfort around that,

659
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 5: like sexuality and showcase. I mean, some things I even

660
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 5: worked on. I'm trying to remember right now. But my character,

661
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 5: I have a lot of photos from that too. My

662
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,360
Speaker 5: character was a teenage prostitute, and I'm like, what is

663
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 5: append around? Like, you know some of these things are

664
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 5: it being kind of normal back then? Like that's a

665
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 5: whole other conversation, especially like the nineties, like being sexualized

666
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,800
Speaker 5: young Oh yeah yeah, And I was like, oh I

667
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:37,399
Speaker 5: was so easily can just send those things. But it's interesting.

668
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 3: Memoir.

669
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 5: It's heavy. I appreciate it, but it's more about like

670
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 5: it's been really rewarding for not just me but being

671
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 5: able to help a lot of people, you know, just

672
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 5: by talking about these things, because I think I felt

673
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 5: like I needed to have it all wrapped up in

674
00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 5: a bow and be putting back then and for a

675
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 5: long time after that, and I was sort of done

676
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 5: playing that roles. Yeah, this is yeah, because I feel

677
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 5: like it does. It's a lot more of a service

678
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:12,359
Speaker 5: just kind of being honest and talking about it and yeah,

679
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:16,359
Speaker 5: talking about how those things kind of can unfold. Yeah,

680
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:20,919
Speaker 5: writer and I have talked about how much like those

681
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 5: that feeling in your twenties where you just feel like

682
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:25,800
Speaker 5: you're supposed to be good at all the things, like

683
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 5: I'm finally here, this is the adulthood I have been

684
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 5: waiting for and looking around and somehow feeling like everyone

685
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 5: else knows how to do everything?

686
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:37,360
Speaker 4: Why do I not know how to do anything? And

687
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 4: then you realize like no one, no one knew how

688
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 4: to do anything. Everyone was figuring it out, but no

689
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:47,439
Speaker 4: one was talking about the fact that no one knew

690
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 4: what they were doing exactly.

691
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 2: So now imposter syndrome.

692
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, but the adults too, I mean everybody every week.

693
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 6: The thing, Yeah, the thing we talked about is as

694
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 6: especially as child actors, is you assume at all the

695
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 6: adults around you know exactly what's going on, and you're

696
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 6: following their.

697
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,359
Speaker 3: Days, say, is right, interest yep, And that's the way

698
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:06,840
Speaker 3: it's got to go.

699
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:08,839
Speaker 6: And then you become an adult and you're like, I'm

700
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 6: still figuring this out. I don't know what the hell's

701
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 6: going on. So it's yeah, it's very interesting to see

702
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,720
Speaker 6: how just the idea that somebody's older than you obviously

703
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:17,760
Speaker 6: means they have it together.

704
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 3: It's like, no, that's not the case. So yeah, no,

705
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 3: it's funny.

706
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 5: I still feel like that's sometimes I'm like, they have

707
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 5: it so together. But yes, I mean it's kind of

708
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:38,280
Speaker 5: comforting in a way hearing this because I remember vividly younger,

709
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 5: thinking that I think it was when you turned eighteen

710
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 5: I had this concept or was it twenty one? I

711
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 5: had this concept that like, when that happened, you just

712
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 5: knew everything.

713
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:51,800
Speaker 4: Right, is you get a download?

714
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, you get a magical pill, you know everything going on?

715
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:55,240
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly.

716
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 5: And then that happened and I was like, oh, gosh,

717
00:38:58,560 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 5: I don't know anything.

718
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,799
Speaker 6: Yeah exactly, And I think, you know, strangely, I think

719
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 6: it's actually probably worse for kids now because social media

720
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 6: makes it where everybody's got this incredible life look at

721
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 6: all these pictures, when really nobody does.

722
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 3: It's all lies. The whole thing is lies.

723
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 6: So it's just, uh, yeah, I couldn't imagine going through

724
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 6: I mean, what we all went through was tough enough,

725
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 6: but now doing it where everybody is in.

726
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:24,360
Speaker 3: The public eye, it just seems like it would be

727
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 3: such a daunting task.

728
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 5: And I'm sure you've gotten this question before, but I mean,

729
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 5: can you imagine working on the show with God.

730
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:35,800
Speaker 3: Oh, God be too horrible? God, no, be awful. I

731
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 3: couldn't imagine.

732
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 5: No, Yeah, there was something nice about about that. Yeah,

733
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 5: I mean a lot of things, not feeling that pressure.

734
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 5: I mean I also remember like being new to LA

735
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 5: or just like new to the business, and you know,

736
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 5: you'd go to the grocery store and you're in the

737
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 5: checkout out and they're the magazines, right, like that was

738
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 5: our information, and I I remember thinking all of that

739
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 5: was real, like somebody, and then it wasn't until like

740
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 5: more experience in the industry, and then being there was

741
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 5: one interview I gave that I swear it felt like

742
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 5: they must have just mixed up the pages completely because

743
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 5: I was reading it and like in bold there were quotes.

744
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 5: I was like, I never even said that, like not

745
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 5: even blows to saying yeah, And I realized, yeah, they

746
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 5: could be something like sex is like uh, it was

747
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 5: something like along the lines of like once you do

748
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 5: it more, you get also just like what like it

749
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:44,320
Speaker 5: wasn't even the room for these questions but I and

750
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 5: then I realized like, oh, none of that is true.

751
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 5: But I had this concept that like if it was

752
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 5: there and it were on the page and that was

753
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 5: an interview, like that was word for word what the

754
00:40:56,600 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 5: person said, I had no idea that it was constructed

755
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 5: or like manipulated in that sense.

756
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 1: Right, right, So American Beauty is one of those. It's

757
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 1: one of my favorite examples in my own life of

758
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 1: seeing the difference in perception of a project while it's

759
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 1: being made versus when it comes out. Because we were

760
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 1: we were shooting boys still and an old studio teacher

761
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:27,320
Speaker 1: came who I had worked with when I was like

762
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:29,839
Speaker 1: eleven or twelve and had become friends with my mom,

763
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 1: and she came to the set to visit my mom,

764
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 1: and we were hanging out talking and we're like, oh,

765
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 1: so what are you working on And she's like, ough,

766
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 1: this awful movie.

767
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 3: It is so weird.

768
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 1: I don't and I don't know if she was the

769
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 1: studio teacher or she was just there for a couple

770
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 1: of days, but she was.

771
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 3: Like, it's Kevin Spacey and I don't know.

772
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 2: It's like it's trying to be funny, but it's just

773
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:51,800
Speaker 2: it doesn't make any sense.

774
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 1: And she like gave us the worst elevator pitch for

775
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 1: this movie that we were like, wow, it's because but

776
00:41:58,040 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 1: it's like a big movie and she's like, yeah, it's

777
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 1: got actors, but it's gonna be so bad. There's no

778
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 1: they're just gonna bear. And we like so then when

779
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 1: the movie came out, it was like that's the movie she.

780
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 3: Was talking to.

781
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 1: I was like, wow, you know, so you just never know,

782
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 1: Like so here was a crew member, maybe only there

783
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 1: for a day or two, but she was reading the

784
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 1: script and like knew the movie and was.

785
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,320
Speaker 3: Like, this is a disaster. There's no way this is

786
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 3: gonna be That.

787
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 5: Is so fascinating awesome.

788
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's true, right, I mean half the time

789
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 1: we don't know, Like even when we're acting in a movie,

790
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 1: we're like, is this gonna be any good or is

791
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 1: this gonna have any cultural value? And then something like

792
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 1: that happens, And so what was the transition for you? Like,

793
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 1: because you have these two movies come out back to

794
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 1: back and before that you had sort of been regular

795
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 1: actor just doing the job, and now you're suddenly a star.

796
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was really weird.

797
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 7: I remember, well, I wasn't able to go to the

798
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:49,839
Speaker 7: premiere for American Pie.

799
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 5: I was working on a film called Sugar and Spice

800
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:55,799
Speaker 5: at the time in Dallas, and.

801
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 4: We had like I love that movie, by the way,

802
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 4: for that movie, I wanted it so bad.

803
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 5: Amazing how you went in I want I read.

804
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 4: I read that script and I was like, this is great.

805
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 5: It was originally do you remember it was originally called

806
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 5: Sugar and Spice and Semi Automatics.

807
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 4: Yes, exactly, Like I did change the title.

808
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 5: But I mean that was awesome too. Working with Francine McDougal,

809
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 5: female director, that was great. But I remember we had

810
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 5: a football scene and so there were a lot of

811
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:37,919
Speaker 5: extras because a I didn't exist. Yeah, there were real

812
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:45,760
Speaker 5: people there, and I started hearing people yelling Heather choir chick,

813
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:48,800
Speaker 5: and I was like, oh, just going on you know,

814
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 5: and then I remember people asking me for a photo.

815
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,320
Speaker 7: With me, and I was like, this is so weird,

816
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 7: and it made me feel it just was really strange,

817
00:43:58,960 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 7: and it made.

818
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 5: Me feel uncomfort ball because I felt like I'm no,

819
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 5: I'm no better, like different than you. And so that

820
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 5: was kind of like the beginnings of it. And that

821
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 5: was that was in the summer, late summer. I remember

822
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:16,400
Speaker 5: coming back to la after that and going to the

823
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 5: American Beauty premiere and then everybody kind of saying congratulations,

824
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:27,239
Speaker 5: like this is amazing, and I just remember not being

825
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 5: able to understand that or digest it, because again I

826
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 5: just I was like thank you, like I just kind

827
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 5: of what that meant, you know, and people were trying

828
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 5: to kind of like get my attention into that, like

829
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 5: this is so great, congratulations and I was like cool, thanks,

830
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:49,319
Speaker 5: you know, happy to be a part of it. And yeah,

831
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:54,360
Speaker 5: then it kind of became, I guess, the norm of

832
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 5: like doing photo shoots and press and traveling and things

833
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 5: like that. I do remember, though, having kind of like

834
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:07,800
Speaker 5: a midlife crisis in my early twenties after that, because

835
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 5: I hadn't gone to college and there were a lot

836
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 5: of things like you know, when I was younger, I

837
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 5: wanted to be an architect. I chose medical research for

838
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 5: my career. Day at school, I ever thought of like acting,

839
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 5: and so I was like in this phase of you know, oh,

840
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 5: I can go to UCLA. I looked into it. They

841
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 5: were going to let me go like the first two

842
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 5: years as an extension student, but then I'd have full

843
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 5: time the last two and I kind of just chose

844
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 5: at that moment that I chose, I guess my career

845
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 5: because I felt like I could be in any you know,

846
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 5: sitting to learn. I didn't have to necessarily be there.

847
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 5: But yeah, it was like a hard time for me

848
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 5: because I kind of felt like I didn't have an

849
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 5: identity because I was Yeah, I remember it was sort

850
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:09,360
Speaker 5: of at that moment feeling like there's the there's this

851
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:12,880
Speaker 5: mina and then there's like the real mina, right, And

852
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,840
Speaker 5: I had to kind of like come to terms with

853
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 5: that or or learn how to navigate that because everything

854
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 5: was It just was very strange for me to be

855
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 5: like recognized and because I never got into this industry

856
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 5: for that reason, so weird.

857
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, do you remember any specific directing or working

858
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 4: with Alan Ball for American Beauty, like you do you

859
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 4: remember that experience.

860
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I remember working with everyone. I remember

861
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:49,360
Speaker 5: working a lot with Sam and having a lot of

862
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 5: rehearsal us even working on scenes that didn't make it

863
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 5: into the film. I felt, I felt like I was

864
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:04,840
Speaker 5: being very uh, I was given this really great gift

865
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 5: and sort of spoiled in a sense because we did

866
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 5: so much rehearsal and it was so helpful awesome. I mean,

867
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 5: this sort of also feels like a time for the

868
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 5: most part gone. I mean, I've gone films where it's

869
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 5: like you're just so in and out and you don't

870
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 5: have that process anymore, and so I'm really grateful that

871
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 5: I had that then. But yeah, I just I remember,

872
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 5: I mean, because again I didn't like hang out with

873
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 5: people then. It was like so much in survival mode

874
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:46,760
Speaker 5: and like surviving the horror of like my real life

875
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:50,800
Speaker 5: that And I think it also was coming from a

876
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 5: place of just never feeling good enough. So I just

877
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 5: do my work and I kind of like disappear. I

878
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 5: was always like wanting to kind of like be back here,

879
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:04,360
Speaker 5: and and but when I was there, I do remember

880
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 5: just feeling so cared for by Nam, particularly because you know,

881
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 5: and it was so necessary. But yeah, yeah, there was

882
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 5: a lot of really wonderful things, a lot of fun things,

883
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 5: but sort of it just all kind of feels like

884
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 5: a I don't know, it was like so much happening

885
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 5: that I needed to eventually learn how to pick up on.

886
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 4: Yeah.

887
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:38,799
Speaker 5: Yeah, I talked about even like there were so many

888
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 5: moments where I felt like my life was happening for me,

889
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:45,279
Speaker 5: and it took me a while to catch up to that. Yeah.

890
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 4: Do you think it's a movie that could be made

891
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:50,840
Speaker 4: now in twenty twenty five, That's.

892
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 5: A great question. I mean, I don't see why not.

893
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:57,720
Speaker 5: I feel like that's what's so wonderful about the film

894
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:02,919
Speaker 5: is that, I mean there's certain topic and subject matter

895
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 5: that I feel like is still continuous, very present. The

896
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 5: yes and no, Yeah, yes and no depends on you

897
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:18,320
Speaker 5: know what exactly I think you're analyzing, because it also

898
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:21,800
Speaker 5: was I think a big part of it a certain

899
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 5: place and time, there's a certain there's a certain amount

900
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 5: of subject matter that yes, I think could and then

901
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:33,400
Speaker 5: there's a certain subject matter that I think. It was

902
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 5: a perfect showcase in conversation around like what is continuously

903
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 5: hidden but like that still exists too, So.

904
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:45,799
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I'm just curious because you've had such an

905
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 6: interesting career and some of the projects are so different

906
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 6: from each other. Is there one that you're really proud of?

907
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 6: I mean, I know you're probably proud of a lot

908
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 6: of them, but is there one that really stands out

909
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:55,800
Speaker 6: for you?

910
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 5: Gosh, I'm so bad with these questions because like they

911
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:07,319
Speaker 5: don't something to me in a different way. I mean, yes,

912
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 5: and I'm proud of all of it, but it all

913
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:14,839
Speaker 5: it's different for me because as I've gotten older, I've

914
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 5: felt more and become more connected to all of it,

915
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 5: and that's really changed it for me. I think a

916
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 5: lot about well, I have things that I've done that

917
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 5: haven't come out yet. I did a film called Vampires

918
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 5: of the Velvet Lounge where it was just a lot

919
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:40,320
Speaker 5: of fun, and that's been in post. I did a

920
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 5: film called All You Need Is Blood and that was

921
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 5: really really cool and exciting. I think that one's on

922
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:53,280
Speaker 5: Keino Quino movies. I mean, they've all been like different

923
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 5: for me. I just finished a project called Death of

924
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 5: a Brewer. It's based on a book called Beer Money,

925
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 5: and I got to play a woman of temperance and

926
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 5: it's period and never done anything like that.

927
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:06,919
Speaker 4: That's cool.

928
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, so they're all and our crew was like,

929
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:12,439
Speaker 7: I just didn't want to leave.

930
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:18,400
Speaker 5: Everyone was so lovely and our cast and yeah, so

931
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 5: it's it's it depends on like what it is. I mean,

932
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 5: I think about the place that I've been in and

933
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 5: being able to appreciate it. I feel like a lot

934
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:34,439
Speaker 5: of that came for me a bit later, of course.

935
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:38,280
Speaker 5: I mean that to me that I was so happy

936
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:41,920
Speaker 5: seeing that as like it was like going down and

937
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,719
Speaker 5: I didn't know if they'd listen anything of like the commercials,

938
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 5: but it's literally like the first thing on my IMDb.

939
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 5: It's so awesome not it? To me, that's like really

940
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 5: really beautiful and really special.

941
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:55,880
Speaker 3: I love that.

942
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 4: We ask a lot of our guests this question, were

943
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 4: there any roles you auditioned for and almost got that

944
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:04,759
Speaker 4: still haunt you? Like the minute you mentioned sugar and

945
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:07,320
Speaker 4: spice for me? And I was like, is there anything

946
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 4: you auditioned for?

947
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 6: Uh?

948
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 5: Yes, you're gonna put me on the hot seat tell

949
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 5: the story. Yes, I mean the one that I auditioned

950
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 5: for several times, I tested for and was communicated to

951
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 5: that it would be mine was Spiderman.

952
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 3: Oh and they gave it to Toby maguire.

953
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 4: And how did he do that to you?

954
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:49,359
Speaker 5: Yeah? But you know but again, like I think that's

955
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 5: that's what like allows for so much growth and have

956
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:03,839
Speaker 5: strength in this industry. Is like, I mean, I've even

957
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 5: had these moments with now I've been working more in

958
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 5: like development and like pitching, and it's like people can

959
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:13,520
Speaker 5: kind of come at you a certain way like yeah,

960
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 5: and you're like.

961
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:21,920
Speaker 2: We're like no, but I thought I thought we're just

962
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 2: gonna something. Yeah, I think it.

963
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:26,440
Speaker 5: I mean, those are those are the moments that like

964
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 5: we all have. I mean you talked about like with

965
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:32,440
Speaker 5: Sugar and Space too. It's like those are the moments

966
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 5: that you have and you're just like yeah, but you

967
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:37,839
Speaker 5: know what, like I still see this and I still

968
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:41,440
Speaker 5: love this, and it's not you know, it allows you,

969
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:44,399
Speaker 5: I think, to build like new.

970
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:48,840
Speaker 7: Muscles that are so important because not.

971
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 4: Like that all right exactly. It's not just like here

972
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 4: you go, here you go, Oh you want this, Okay, you.

973
00:53:57,040 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 5: Got to really work for it, you know. And I

974
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 5: and I'm grateful for that because it allows me to

975
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:10,440
Speaker 5: just have a completely new perspective that I really try

976
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 5: to stay neutral with. Like it just wasn't meant in

977
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 5: some way other things that and I'm you know, and

978
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 5: you're able to see that like in the long run,

979
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:23,719
Speaker 5: like oh, well, life brought me here and I was

980
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 5: needed here versus there.

981
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 1: Right in this industry, it's so hard compared to like

982
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:33,239
Speaker 1: almost anything else though, in that those opportunities when they're

983
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:36,840
Speaker 1: presented to you are literally life changing, right, like in

984
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:39,279
Speaker 1: terms of like I mean when you audition for a

985
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:41,279
Speaker 1: TV shoot network for a show, they make you sign

986
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:42,760
Speaker 1: a six year contract.

987
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 3: And you're literally able to see, oh, this could be

988
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 3: how much money I'm making.

989
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 1: This could be in something like Spider Man, Like yeah,

990
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 1: like that's a three picture thing. I mean, that's like

991
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:53,759
Speaker 1: and so it's so hard in the.

992
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:57,359
Speaker 2: Moment because you're like, I don't want to invest too

993
00:54:57,400 --> 00:54:59,279
Speaker 2: much in this, but you can't help it.

994
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:01,400
Speaker 1: Because it's like, but that would change my life in

995
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:03,880
Speaker 1: a way that probably you want at that moment. You know,

996
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:07,359
Speaker 1: it's really hard to see how to have any sense

997
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:10,240
Speaker 1: of reality, you know, especially when you're younger.

998
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, no, for sure, I think a lot, Like

999
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:16,359
Speaker 5: for me now because I have a son and he's

1000
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 5: four and a half, and so many times like if

1001
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:23,719
Speaker 5: I even try to go to that place. Then I

1002
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 5: look back and I understand, like, but if this didn't

1003
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 5: happen and that didn't happen, Yeah, it happened. Like I

1004
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:34,480
Speaker 5: never would have had my son right in the way

1005
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:37,440
Speaker 5: that I do. I wouldn't you know, life would have

1006
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:39,440
Speaker 5: kind of maybe taken me over here. I wouldn't have

1007
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:43,360
Speaker 5: met that person. So yeah, I always try.

1008
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 3: To like rein it in, yeah, we're here for a reason.

1009
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:48,080
Speaker 3: We're here for a reason, yeah exactly.

1010
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:53,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, and like and we're here as ourselves individual for

1011
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:56,279
Speaker 5: that person, you know. And I think that's sort of

1012
00:55:56,360 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 5: like what we were touching upon earlier, like feeling like,

1013
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:02,520
Speaker 5: oh I have to be twenty and like be perfect

1014
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 5: and know it all. Like we don't have that, and

1015
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 5: that's I mean, it's still happening. I think even when

1016
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:13,880
Speaker 5: you brought up social media, like even to a worser extent,

1017
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 5: we're really missing that we're all individual in adding our

1018
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:25,440
Speaker 5: own thing to it. We don't have to be this

1019
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:30,759
Speaker 5: like everything, not everything has to be that. Yeah. So

1020
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:37,279
Speaker 5: I find a lot of like comfort in that and

1021
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:41,520
Speaker 5: allowing myself to feel that way and you know, just

1022
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 5: remember that it's like this is what I have to

1023
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:48,719
Speaker 5: bring to it versus someone else, and if that's meant

1024
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 5: you know, then that's great. And I've always tried to

1025
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:57,879
Speaker 5: look for anything that I can learn in my own

1026
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 5: life through the work that I do, because I've seen

1027
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:08,720
Speaker 5: this weird like symmetry between personal growth that I've needed

1028
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:11,920
Speaker 5: and then the type of project that might come my way.

1029
00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:15,279
Speaker 5: We try to stay really open to that and work

1030
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 5: with it.

1031
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 4: I have to talk to you about American Pie five

1032
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 4: the funeral?

1033
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 3: Are you going to be in it? Is this real?

1034
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:36,560
Speaker 3: Who's dead?

1035
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 5: This is so wild because everyone's been asking about it.

1036
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:45,680
Speaker 5: I think it would be awesome, even like when I

1037
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 5: saw Jason and Jenny and Michelle, like we don't really

1038
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 5: know what's going on, Like there's nothing, there's nothing official

1039
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 5: but from if I can safely say, from what I know,

1040
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 5: fans have, like I think on YouTube they've even created

1041
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:07,840
Speaker 5: trailers for this. I believe that this is a huge

1042
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 5: admirer of the film and franchise who has like written

1043
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:15,800
Speaker 5: this script. So there's like things lingering, but there's nothing

1044
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:19,680
Speaker 5: official that I know of. I think it's a great idea.

1045
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:21,600
Speaker 5: I think it would have to be something like that

1046
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:26,800
Speaker 5: along along those lines, and it'd be awesome to come back.

1047
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:30,480
Speaker 5: I think everybody is like really wanting it, But I

1048
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:30,840
Speaker 5: don't know.

1049
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:35,720
Speaker 4: I don't write, you don't there's no official word. You

1050
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 4: have worked consistently throughout your entire career. How did you

1051
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 4: avoid burnout?

1052
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:43,800
Speaker 5: Oh I did burn out?

1053
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:53,400
Speaker 4: Okay, book, I Yeah, no, I have.

1054
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:56,920
Speaker 5: I mean, it depends on what you mean by burnout.

1055
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:59,640
Speaker 5: I mean I talk about a lot of like just

1056
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:04,240
Speaker 5: disconnection and especially like early on, and then I got

1057
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 5: married very young. I was married at like right after

1058
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 5: American Beauty and sort of repeated this strange generational trauma

1059
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:21,480
Speaker 5: pattern and played that out. But yeah, so again I

1060
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:25,440
Speaker 5: was like living as like twice my age when I

1061
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:27,480
Speaker 5: was twenty from like twenty five.

1062
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:34,760
Speaker 7: And yeah, I mean I've definitely been.

1063
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:37,919
Speaker 5: I like to say that I've lived many lives. Yeah,

1064
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:41,720
Speaker 5: I've been, and then somehow I came out of it.

1065
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:44,320
Speaker 7: I think I've been able to really.

1066
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:51,000
Speaker 5: Navigate by being blessed with you know, the right people

1067
00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 5: around me at the right time. And and yeah, I

1068
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:02,200
Speaker 5: mean just how I talk a lot about how I

1069
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:06,160
Speaker 5: feel like being in this industry, being an actor, being

1070
01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:09,280
Speaker 5: able to perform this art really saved my life to

1071
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:11,320
Speaker 5: a certain extent, because it.

1072
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:15,080
Speaker 7: Allowed me to process a lot of things that were

1073
01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:15,920
Speaker 7: so necessary.

1074
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:21,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, but yeah, I mean it hasn't been easy at times,

1075
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:26,880
Speaker 5: and you know, I just kind of keep I have

1076
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:29,120
Speaker 5: a lot of friends that are not in the industry,

1077
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:36,840
Speaker 5: so I'm able to ground myself through that and yeah,

1078
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:41,520
Speaker 5: just somehow, somehow, I mean, listen, thirty years is a

1079
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:45,760
Speaker 5: long time, and I feel grateful and I'm even still alive,

1080
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:53,520
Speaker 5: like at certain moments, but I am. I'm very happy

1081
01:00:53,640 --> 01:01:01,120
Speaker 5: now because of like, throughout all that process has just

1082
01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:05,000
Speaker 5: given me really the perspective that I want to have,

1083
01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:09,560
Speaker 5: and so it's really good with all the things that

1084
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:11,360
Speaker 5: I'm able to move forward with because it's just like

1085
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:13,800
Speaker 5: I said, I finished that film Death of a Brewer,

1086
01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:16,120
Speaker 5: and it was just so it was like everything that

1087
01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:18,320
Speaker 5: I would have ever wanted it to be. But I

1088
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:21,680
Speaker 5: think a lot of that came from me allowing myself

1089
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:27,120
Speaker 5: to be that person and feel connected to everyone. And

1090
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:31,160
Speaker 5: it was awesome because it was just an independent film

1091
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:34,080
Speaker 5: that we were making. But again, our cast and especially

1092
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:37,200
Speaker 5: our crew, it's beautiful when it lines up like that,

1093
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:40,760
Speaker 5: when part of this thing and it's not about like,

1094
01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:46,360
Speaker 5: I don't know, any weird like hierarchy or ego, your

1095
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:50,120
Speaker 5: ego that you see all the time. And in those moments,

1096
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Speaker 5: I realize, like, this is why I do what I do.

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Speaker 4: You mentioned your son. If your son wanted to become

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Speaker 4: an actor, would you let it?

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Speaker 5: Such a great quess. I don't. I don't have him

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Speaker 5: out there. He has no idea what I do. He

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Speaker 5: just that I go and I work. And now he's

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Speaker 5: started to say, like, I want to cut work to

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Speaker 5: a town. But I've I mean, just personally, this is

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Speaker 5: like how we do things. Everybody does it differently. But

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Speaker 5: I really, I really care a lot about giving him

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Speaker 5: the opportunity to be who he is and not me

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Speaker 5: Savari's son. I want him to, you know, just develop

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Speaker 5: like the life that he wants and the interest that

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Speaker 5: he wants, and not have it be through me at

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Speaker 5: this age. So we'll see. I mean, you know, I

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Speaker 5: know that I would love him to like set it

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Speaker 5: up a bit differently, like if I had gone to

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Speaker 5: college or have a degree or some sort of like

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Speaker 5: hmm thing to fall back on. I would want to

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Speaker 5: navigate it probably a bit smarter than I did, because

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Speaker 5: I think for me it was sort of I'm not

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Speaker 5: gonna lie like it felt many times like this is

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Speaker 5: all I know how to do.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I know that feeling too well, yeah.

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Speaker 5: And I have to figure that out because that's just

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Speaker 5: what I do. And so if I could allow him

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Speaker 5: to just feel a little bit more choice in the

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Speaker 5: matter than that would be great. But I remember working

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Speaker 5: with I did a film called Don't Tell a Soul

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Speaker 5: with Jack Grazer, and I was talking to Who's Awesome,

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Speaker 5: And I was talking to his mom on the set,

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Speaker 5: and I remember and getting to know her, and I

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Speaker 5: remember reading an art article that she was talking about

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Speaker 5: his child acting and fame and all of this stuff,

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Speaker 5: and the way that she presented it to him. I'm

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Speaker 5: not quoting it perfectly word for word, but she was

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Speaker 5: trying to communicate to him that she was supportive of

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Speaker 5: him wanting to do these things, but just remember that

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Speaker 5: it should always be fun, and at the moment that

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Speaker 5: it's not fun, you know, we should we should readdress that.

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Speaker 5: And I just thought that that was such a great

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Speaker 5: approach to it, because it's so it's so important for

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Speaker 5: that to be part of it, I believe, and not,

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Speaker 5: you know, I remember feeling like again I had to

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Speaker 5: get a job at like fourteen or fifteen to like

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Speaker 5: support my family or just the stresses of that. So yeah,

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Speaker 5: I would want to just kind of be smart about

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01:04:39,160 --> 01:04:43,880
Speaker 5: things or and pay attention and create options or choice

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Speaker 5: for him. But we'll say, I.

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Speaker 4: Mean, will you please tell us the name of your

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Speaker 4: book one more time where we can get it, tell

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Speaker 4: us about some of.

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Speaker 3: The projects you have coming up?

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Speaker 4: Okay, ordered it?

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Speaker 5: Well, it's called the Great Piece I had. I was

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Speaker 5: I talk about it in the book, but I would moving,

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Speaker 5: and I had everything. I had a storage unit and

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01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:06,680
Speaker 5: I was like, oh, I want to get rid of

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01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:08,480
Speaker 5: this storage unit. I don't need it anymore.

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Speaker 7: And I had these bins where I kept a lot of.

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Speaker 5: I have the photos. I got to go through these

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Speaker 5: the photo and I had my diary, and I had

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Speaker 5: this binder it was like a red you know those

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01:05:20,680 --> 01:05:26,720
Speaker 5: old school binders, three ring binder, and I had I

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01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:29,360
Speaker 5: had a typewriter, so I typed up like fifty sixty

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01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:32,120
Speaker 5: loose leaf pages and a lot of it was like poems.

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Speaker 5: And that again was like an outlet for me to

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Speaker 5: communicate a lot of what I was or process what

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Speaker 5: I was experiencing. And I called it the Great Piece.

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Speaker 5: And so when I found it. I had this moment

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Speaker 5: of thinking like maybe I can publish my poetry book

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01:05:49,160 --> 01:05:54,520
Speaker 5: or I was gonna option it as like a series idea.

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01:05:55,160 --> 01:05:57,760
Speaker 5: I thought, maybe I can get this out, and I can.

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01:05:57,920 --> 01:06:01,160
Speaker 5: It can be cathartic for me, but not fully doing it.

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Speaker 5: And then I had a friend sit with me and

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Speaker 5: he read some of it, and he said, you should

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Speaker 5: publish this as a memoir. And I remember thinking like, what, Like,

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Speaker 5: first of all, I'm not even like at that age

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Speaker 5: to do that. Yeah, but I thought about it, and

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Speaker 5: I thought, you know what, if I'm going to if

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Speaker 5: I'm going to share this at all, then I'll share it,

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Speaker 5: you know, one hundred and fifty percent. And so so

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Speaker 5: I titled it the Great Piece as well.

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Speaker 4: I love it. And then when are some of the

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Speaker 4: movies coming out that you said you had won in post?

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Speaker 4: I can't wait to see these. Where can we see them?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: I don't know where yet. I just know that, well,

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Speaker 5: Vampires of the Velvet Lounge they were there's a lot

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Speaker 5: of effects.

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Speaker 4: Okay, so I believe those were.

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Speaker 5: Just finished and I'm not quite sure. I did called

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Speaker 5: the Ick with Joseph Kahn that we were in theaters

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Speaker 5: a very limited release here a couple months ago. And yeah,

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Speaker 5: I don't know like all of where.

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Speaker 4: To see them, Okay, but keep an eye out. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: are you on social media? Can then can people follow you?

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Speaker 5: Yeah? I just I have just my name minus to

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Speaker 5: Marian Instagram. When you talked about one of those burnout moments,

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Speaker 5: I had this moment where I deleted my Facebook, I

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Speaker 5: deleted my Twitter, I'm done.

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Speaker 4: With social media.

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Speaker 5: And then I was going to delete Instagram, but I

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Speaker 5: forgot my password. And then one of my reps was like,

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Speaker 5: can you just keep one? Like it's some I was like, okay,

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Speaker 5: but I definitely was like I can't take it anymore.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, I'm on Instagram and I and I like it.

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Speaker 5: I like to focus on the aspect of how it

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01:07:51,520 --> 01:07:53,800
Speaker 5: like gives us the opportunity to really share, like what

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Speaker 5: we're interested in.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, something else being created, So so I'm on there.

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Speaker 4: Okay, great. Thank you so much for spending your time

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Speaker 4: with us. We have been so excited about the possibility

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Speaker 4: of interviewing you since the moment you popped on our

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Speaker 4: screen when we were in season two of our recap,

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Speaker 4: and so thank you for finding the time to be

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Speaker 4: with us. We have really enjoyed this conversation. You are

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Speaker 4: truly lovely and it's been a really beautiful conversation.

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Speaker 5: Thank you for having me, and thanks for just thinking

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Speaker 5: of me and making this possible, waiting for me to

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Speaker 5: get on. Yeah, that's like a scheduling thing, but I

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Speaker 5: really appreciate. It's so nice. It's so special, like this

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Speaker 5: is what it's about.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, agreed, Thank you for being with us. Photos. You

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Speaker 4: have our email address, and yeah, we're going to read

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Speaker 4: the book. Maybe it'll maybe I'll switch it out for

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Speaker 4: my next book club. Yes, thank you, Mina. It was

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Speaker 4: good to see you.

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Speaker 5: All right, take care bye, guys, Bye bye.

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Speaker 3: Wow, man, I can't I really can't wait to read that.

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Speaker 6: I know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so ordered it up now.

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Speaker 4: I have a crush on her, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: She wouldn't. She wouldn't recognize it anyway, No crush back

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Speaker 3: in the.

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Speaker 2: Day, everybody, she just forgot.

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Speaker 4: No she didn't. Maybe she did.

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Speaker 3: She was playing it cool. That's right, exactly right, that

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Speaker 3: makes sense.

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